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3[00:00:27] <TomTomTosch> use --exclude for whatever you don't want.
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6[00:00:59] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, I remembered when I saw the rsync syncing cache files.
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11[00:01:42] <MaBunny> hey guys do you kno a tiled rpg game,one thts offline?? and one tht i can play actually
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17[00:02:09] <Lady_Aleena> MaBunny, I'd love to have a simple card game I could play offline.
18[00:02:36] * Lady_Aleena misses Spider and Pyramid Solitaire.
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20[00:02:50] <MaBunny> Lady_Aleena theres solataire though but i dont want to play those :P
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22[00:02:55] * Lady_Aleena even misses FreeCell a bit.
23[00:03:05] <MaBunny> yeah
24[00:03:24] <Lady_Aleena> MaBunny, the last game package I installed was crap since it always crashed.
25[00:03:36] <MaBunny> maybe it was new
26[00:03:38] <MaBunny> one
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28[00:04:08] <Lady_Aleena> MaBunny, I don't know. All I know is apt-get got it from Debian.
29[00:04:32] <MaBunny> well what was the package version number
30[00:04:43] <MaBunny> if it was new then its ok
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32[00:04:46] <Lady_Aleena> I don't remember.
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34[00:04:56] <Lady_Aleena> It has been years since I purged it.
35[00:05:06] <MaBunny> ahh
36[00:05:10] <luxio> I can't get Steam to install on Debian. When I run it, I get this error: You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run: libGL.so.1
37[00:05:14] <Lady_Aleena> s/years/over a year/; # has to stop being so dramatic.
38[00:05:27] <mcordingley> Lady_Aleena: I've had good luck with both pysol and aisleriot for my Freecell needs.
39[00:05:37] <cafuego> all you need is ksp
40[00:05:53] <Lady_Aleena> I'll look both those up as soon as I reboot.
41[00:06:01] <MaBunny> well i too hadnt been playing for a long time but now my school days are over so.....
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43[00:06:27] <teraflops> kde has a bunch of solitaire games
44[00:06:27] <cafuego> Before that it was world of goo, that ran great on debian :-)
45[00:07:00] <luxio> markybob: that's what I did
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48[00:07:19] <Lady_Aleena> brb
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52[00:07:37] <luxio> markybob: none of the solutions online helped me
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54[00:07:54] <dez> sometimes when I plug a headset on my debian jessie xfce the audio stops working
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56[00:07:59] <dez> any workarounds?
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58[00:08:34] <TomTomTosch> luxio: did you install the 32 bit opengl libs?.
59[00:08:53] <luxio> TomTomTosch: if it was a dependency, yes
60[00:09:06] <luxio> what am I supposed to install, opengl:i386?
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62[00:09:09] <TomTomTosch> luxio: replaced-url
63[00:09:17] <luxio> TomTomTosch: yes, yes, I installed following that guide
64[00:09:19] <dez> actually, the entire system bugs, cant type and etc
65[00:09:24] <luxio> it gives me that error
66[00:09:25] <dez> cant click on new windows
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70[00:10:25] <TomTomTosch> luxio: what's the output of dpkg -l libgl1* please. to packages.debian.org
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72[00:10:36] <MaBunny> well guys,are there any good playable rpg games in debian?
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74[00:11:21] <luxio> TomTomTosch: replaced-url
75[00:11:22] <sweettea> nethack
76[00:11:40] <TomTomTosch> luxio: to paste.debian.org i mean. silly me. thanks.
77[00:11:46] <MaBunny> nethack is all ASCII aint it??
78[00:11:52] <luxio> TomTomTosch: it's .net ;)
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83[00:13:04] <arahael> MaBunny: there are graphical interfaces for it too.
84[00:13:13] <MaBunny> ok
85[00:13:32] <MaBunny> bt it is playable,is it?
86[00:13:36] <MaBunny> *but
87[00:13:44] <dez> MaBunny, shadowrun
88[00:13:48] <MaBunny> i mean i dont want to die on lvl 4 or 5
89[00:13:54] <dez> theyre the best rpg games
90[00:13:56] <arahael> MaBunny: definitely. i've played it for 2 decades now.
91[00:14:11] <arahael> MaBunny: then be more careful.
92[00:14:21] <MaBunny> shadowrun,nethack...ok ill try both of them
93[00:14:26] <MaBunny> thnx guys :)
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95[00:14:42] <dez> shadowrun isnt free afaik
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97[00:14:48] <dez> and you need steam
98[00:14:51] <MaBunny> ok
99[00:14:54] <arahael> MaBunny: older games tend to be harder to play - it's part of the challenge.
100[00:15:01] <MaBunny> hmm
101[00:15:02] <dez> but you can always pirate it hehe
102[00:15:06] <MaBunny> :(
103[00:15:13] <dez> shadowrun is easy
104[00:15:15] <arahael> newer games are sooo easy :( boring.
105[00:15:22] <dez> and has awesome story
106[00:15:29] <dez> its literally the best rpg
107[00:15:30] <TomTomTosch> luxio: does it let you install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 without removing anything?
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109[00:16:01] <luxio> TomTomTosch: I'm installing it through apt-get
110[00:16:04] <luxio> it says "0 to remove"
111[00:16:07] <MaBunny> arahael i did want to hav some good time first thn hav a challenge
112[00:16:08] <luxio> so yes, I suppose it does
113[00:16:28] <TomTomTosch> luxio: good, that package contains the file steam is complaining about.
114[00:16:35] <MaBunny> like i did on with freeciv...playing easy games then tryying the harder ones
115[00:16:52] <luxio> TomTomTosch: Ooh! Thanks so much! How'd you solve this?
116[00:17:04] <MaBunny> is there a setting to control the diff of the game??
117[00:17:30] <markybob> it's in the wiki
118[00:17:36] <TomTomTosch> luxio: looked at the wiki, then checked on packages.debian.org which packages contain that file then looked at what you had installed.
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120[00:17:53] <MaBunny> because i tried this new game called Dungeon Crawl and
121[00:17:57] <arahael> MaBunny: some races are supposed to be easier than others.
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123[00:18:07] <arahael> MaBunny: but not by much.
124[00:18:23] <arahael> MaBunny: also, #nethack
125[00:18:37] <MaBunny> it is really tough and i die most of the time on one digit lvls
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129[00:18:57] <MaBunny> ok...do you play Dungeon Crawl??
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131[00:19:05] <arahael> MaBunny: stop makingnstupid mistakes then! :)
132[00:19:27] <MaBunny> hehe...like ....give me some example???
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136[00:20:34] <MaBunny> well...i did join the Crawl chan but i didnt ask too much of advice
137[00:20:42] <MaBunny> how to play the game,etc
138[00:21:03] <MaBunny> but i like it too...ust tht its tooo tough
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144[00:22:48] * Lady_Aleena was talking to neighbors over the fence, then guys who're replacing my van's windshield arrived. So much is happening today.
145[00:23:03] <Lady_Aleena> Good GUH! How long is this going to take?!
146[00:23:27] <MaBunny> well whats the tiled variant of nethack named??
147[00:23:29] <Lady_Aleena> s/this/the rsync/; # specificity is always a good thing.
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149[00:23:43] <MaBunny> hi Lady_Aleena
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151[00:23:53] <Lady_Aleena> Hello again MaBunny
152[00:23:57] <MaBunny> :D
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157[00:26:11] <Lady_Aleena> How much is in all of the hidden directories?! *head desk*
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163[00:28:01] <cafuego> Lady_Aleena: couple of gb, would be my guess. Depends on the software you use. If you use Gnome and Evolution, maybe a couple of dozen gb?
164[00:28:13] <Lady_Aleena> cafuego, worse, I use KDE.
165[00:28:24] <cafuego> all bets are off
166[00:28:45] * Lady_Aleena laughs with eye rolling.
167[00:29:09] <cafuego> 'du -sh $HOME' will (eventually) give you a total size
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169[00:29:35] <Lady_Aleena> cafuego, du is a bit imprecise for my taste.
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171[00:30:22] <MaBunny> its four am in the morning and i want a game to play....i must be crazy x)
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174[00:30:39] <Lady_Aleena> MaBunny, where are you? It is 6:30pm here.
175[00:30:54] <cafuego> MaBunny: nethack!
176[00:31:19] <MaBunny> hehe
177[00:31:33] <MaBunny> i tried a package called glhack
178[00:31:51] <MaBunny> its been downloaded
179[00:31:59] <Lady_Aleena> Gotta check the work on my van.
180[00:32:35] <MaBunny> Lady_Aleena you must be in US or somewhere near tht,am i right?
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187[00:35:30] <Lady_Aleena> MaBunny, yes, EDT right now.
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190[00:36:00] <MaBunny> well i live on the other side of the world :P
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193[00:36:29] <markybob> new dehli is my guess
194[00:36:41] <MaBunny> hehe
195[00:37:04] <MaBunny> yeah thts what i got told today itself
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200[00:39:31] <MaBunny> fuck
201[00:39:53] <MaBunny> my computer has gone awful
202[00:39:54] <MaBunny> brb
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207[00:40:28] <transhuman> anyone know how to clear the dmraid log the one that shows up with the command dmraid -n?
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220[00:47:31] <Lady_Aleena> *\o/* New windshield! No more cracks!
221[00:47:41] <Lady_Aleena> s/^/OT: /;
222[00:48:14] <Lady_Aleena> And it is still working on the . directories.
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226[00:49:14] <fas3r> is it possible to generate a public / private key for a group ?
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229[00:49:48] <jon__> hi, I'm not sure I'm in the right place or phrasing this correctly: I have a debian box where I'm trying to do a lot of parallel processing. I notice on 1 server I have 6268 buffers another 5116. My suse has like 107k. what effects these numbers and how do I increase them?
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240[00:54:49] <Lady_Aleena> Do I have to go directory diving to find which directories I don't need to sync the next time? It looks like there is a lot of junk I am syncing.
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268[01:05:13] <jajaja> Hello guys, I need some advice.. wish u could help me.. I installed debian KDE in dual boot with windows 8.. didn't like it too much, so I want to install debian gnome in place of debian kde. It's ok to rewrite grub on MBR?
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270[01:05:35] <blind> yeah
271[01:05:49] <tharkun> Lady_Aleena: you need to dive to man rsync and search for --exclude an FILTER RULES
272[01:05:50] <TomTomTosch> just install kde and remove gnome.
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274[01:05:56] <epsilon> if you use MBR, yes
275[01:06:08] <equinox123> is any of u having trouble with paypal atm
276[01:06:10] <srg> jajaja: why do you need to do anything with grub to switch desktop environments?
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278[01:06:21] <jajaja> im booting in bios.. no uefi
279[01:06:24] <equinox123> my page just loads blank
280[01:06:40] <epsilon> jajaja: then yes, grub should auto-detect windows
281[01:06:45] <tharkun> jajaja: you can install gnome and keep kde without nuking your current install. feel free to poke around until debian doesn't know what to do.
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284[01:07:06] <tharkun> The isue is look for somthing that suits you, then nuke if stuff gets complicated and reinstall.
285[01:07:19] <jajaja> thanks epsilon, tharkun
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288[01:07:27] <jo34> I hit "do not allow fullscreen" in iceweasel for flash or html5, how do i fix it?
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290[01:07:39] <jajaja> system is fresh, gonna install it again
291[01:08:02] <tharkun> jajaja: no need but if you feel like it go for it :)
292[01:08:19] <epsilon> jajaja: test gnome before reinstall if it fits you, maybe you want something else like xfce
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294[01:08:41] <jajaja> I liked elementary's UI
295[01:08:49] <at0m> reinstalling is bad advise. fix the wrongs instead. this isn't #windows.
296[01:08:52] <tharkun> or lxde or notion or cinammon or ...
297[01:08:58] <jajaja> gnome is the close I found
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299[01:09:19] <TomTomTosch> jajaja: is you run tasksel you see the same selection the installer has.
300[01:10:06] <tharkun> jajaja: and then you've got more that are not as common but might feel more confortables like i3 ...
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306[01:11:36] <jajaja> gonna try it all before explodes the partition
307[01:11:45] <jo34> nm, about:permissions
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311[01:14:29] <jajaja> just another thing.. is possible not to show command line after grub.. I mean, between grub and GUI, like 'sda clean..' etc?
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316[01:15:41] <Lady_Aleena> tharkun, I first need to find EVERY directory I don't want synced. I don't know what is needed and what is trash (like browser caches and various logs).
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324[01:19:05] <Lady_Aleena> Things like logs for my terminal emulator are not really needed, and .bash_history isn't critical to my system working (it can be blank).
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327[01:20:20] <bazhang> get etckeeper
328[01:20:28] <bazhang> ,v etckeeper
329[01:20:29] <judd> Package: etckeeper on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.48; wheezy: 0.63; jessie: 1.15; stretch: 1.18.2-1; sid: 1.18.2-1
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331[01:20:54] <tharkun> Lady_Aleena: There is no tool yet that will tell you what you need to know. That is something you need your brain to figure out. </sarcasm>
332[01:21:13] <Lady_Aleena> tharkun, hence a directory diving expedition.
333[01:21:33] <TomTomTosch> think about all the KBs you can save.
334[01:21:41] <kevin__> Does anyone know how to check if my laptop is asleep via ssh?
335[01:22:01] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, my terminal emulator appears to save a log of every day.
336[01:22:15] <zykotick9> TomTomTosch: actually, the browser caches can be fairly large... i don't back them up myself...
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340[01:22:42] <TomTomTosch> not talking about browser caches.
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343[01:23:23] <TomTomTosch> but you can do a quick search for large files and see what's worth taking out. the .bash_history will not give you much.
344[01:23:46] * zykotick9 suggests ncdu for finding where space is going
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346[01:24:20] <Lady_Aleena> I have found some commands I've done at the command line in .bash_history which I thought lost. I need to remember to go back and copy them into a file.
347[01:24:25] <Lady_Aleena> s/file/script/;
348[01:24:50] <Lady_Aleena> s/copy/make/;
349[01:25:00] <tharkun> s/make/coffee/g
350[01:25:30] <Lady_Aleena> tharkun, who does one coffee?
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353[01:25:54] <tharkun> Noone :)
354[01:26:27] <arahael> Lady_Aleena: the unison gui is a good option, then.
355[01:26:30] * Lady_Aleena doesn't drink coffee unless it is a special occasion.
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357[01:27:03] <arahael> Lady_Aleena: as you can see what needs to be sync'ed and click on it if it should or shouldm't be,
358[01:27:20] <arahael> Lady_Aleena: but i tend to sync my .bashrc's for instance.
359[01:27:21] * zykotick9 doesn't drink champagne unless it is a special occasion.
360[01:27:48] <Lady_Aleena> arahael, I'll look into it soon after I reboot.
361[01:28:55] <Lady_Aleena> My sync is up to Music/Albums/Bee\ Gees. So much more to go.
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365[01:30:10] <TomTomTosch> didn't know --progress translated to irc. must be a new feature x)
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368[01:31:32] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, I'm getting bored waiting. And my kitten just bit my neck.
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373[01:35:15] <Lady_Aleena> Also, typing is much better than chain smoking when bored.
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395[01:45:46] <crayon> jmcnaught, i need help
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427[01:59:39] <gorillas> DNS wont resolve. Can access websites via IP in URL, but not by domain. I've googled and edited resolv.conf and a couple other .conf files. Not having any luck. Any ideas? Thanks.
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432[02:02:17] <epsilon> do you use static ip or dhcp?
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434[02:03:25] <gorillas> embarrassed to say not sure. basic wired desktop if that helps.
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439[02:06:09] <debby> hi
440[02:06:25] <debby> so during apt-get update, I get this: Err replaced-url
441[02:06:26] <debby> why?
442[02:06:30] <debby> :O
443[02:06:34] <debby> it doesn't seem wrong to me
444[02:07:21] <gorillas> space instead of / between .org and wheezy?
445[02:07:55] <gorillas> nm ignore me
446[02:09:37] <debby> hm
447[02:09:46] <debby> gorillas: why? :O have they taken down the mirror?
448[02:09:46] <debby> :/
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450[02:10:34] <gorillas> debby: No, I just shouldn't be offering advice at the moment.
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452[02:11:42] <gorillas> epsilon: iirc, neither resolveconf nor network-manager are installed or running
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454[02:12:13] <debby> hmm, httpredir could be the culprit
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458[02:13:41] <pencilandpaper> debby: It should be like this: deb replaced-url
459[02:14:20] <debby> oh
460[02:14:30] <debby> so 'wheezy-backports/main' is wrong because of the '/' ?
461[02:14:31] <debby> :O
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463[02:14:50] <pencilandpaper> Yes debby , and be sure to place the deb in front of the url address.
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467[02:16:10] <epsilon> gorillas: what does your /etc/network/interfaces say?
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476[02:17:38] <deznuts> Sometimes when I plug in earphones my Debian xfce Jessie my computer bugs
477[02:18:11] <deznuts> Can't open anything and audio doesn't work
478[02:18:20] <deznuts> What gives
479[02:18:39] <pencilandpaper> gorillas: are you using any addons in iceweasel, also is your browser giving any errors?
480[02:18:59] <gorillas> epsilon: # interfaces(5) file used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8)
481[02:18:59] <gorillas> auto lo
482[02:18:59] <gorillas> iface lo inet loopback
483[02:19:16] <bazhang> deznuts, what are you assigning with pavucontrol / padevchooser
484[02:19:38] <epsilon> gorillas: /sbin/ifconfig ?
485[02:19:55] <epsilon> if you have ip & default route
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487[02:20:30] <gorillas> pencilandpaper: googlechrome(w/ adblock, ghostery) browser says DNS_Probe_Finished_Bad_Config most every time
488[02:20:43] <deznuts> How do I see that
489[02:21:06] <bazhang> deznuts, by installing them and checking
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491[02:21:22] <pencilandpaper> Ok, have you tried running chrome from terminal gorillas, and then going a url just to see what it says in terminal?
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493[02:23:29] <gorillas> pencilandpaper: no I didn't, adding that to the list of things to look into. I'm on LinuxMint atm, dual boot.
494[02:23:40] <gorillas> epsilon: replaced-url
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496[02:24:05] <pencilandpaper> Ok cool gorillas .
497[02:24:22] <epsilon> gorillas: and your /etc/resolv.conf?
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500[02:25:45] <pencilandpaper> Brb..I'm going to go and restart real quick.
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503[02:26:36] <gorillas> epsilon: Interesting. So I mounted my debian system while in LinuxMint to get the info for you. Normally that files is always totally blank whenever I've looked at it while troubleshooting this issue. But here is it's contents now. replaced-url
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511[02:30:27] <epsilon> thats the issue, 127.x.x.x is localhost
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514[02:31:35] <gorillas> ok, so how can I figure out what program is writing to resolv.conf?
515[02:31:42] <epsilon> well your interfaces is empty but you have an ip, so you have something running dhcp, similar to network-manager. and if you get 127.0.1.1 from your dhcp-server, it's misconfigured
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523[02:33:21] <epsilon> if you write "nameserver 8.8.8.8", you have normal internet (until next reboot)
524[02:33:37] <epsilon> in resolv.conf, for insta solution
525[02:33:48] <gorillas> haven't been able to successfully do that.
526[02:33:58] <gorillas> It seems to get overwritten immediately?
527[02:34:34] <gorillas> it appears to let me save, but I can never see the edits.
528[02:34:59] <somiaj> gorillas: what program are you using to configure your network?
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533[02:35:55] <pencilandpaper> That doesn't do anything in terminal gorillas , so that won't do you any good.
534[02:36:10] <gorillas> somiaj: no idea :( whatever I likely installed in a minimal debian install
535[02:36:16] <gorillas> pencilandpaper: ok.
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539[02:36:30] <gorillas> networking not my strong suit
540[02:37:10] <epsilon> I would take a look on dhcp-server if it's delivering 127.0.1.1
541[02:37:26] <epsilon> your mashine sounds fine to me
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543[02:37:56] <qmr> gorillas: yea, it bugs me. the hand shaking, the fake "how are you" bullshit, the desperate exchange of contact information
544[02:38:48] <gorillas> qmr: people who still have business cards?
545[02:39:00] <qmr> they're out there
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551[02:42:20] <gorillas> epsilon: thanks for your help, not sure how to "look on dhcp-server", sorry
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555[02:43:48] <de-facto> Lady_Aleena for reading ext3/4 from windows i always used replaced-url
556[02:43:53] <somiaj> gorillas: Do you use network-manager to control your network/interface (usually some applet/gui lets you do this.
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558[02:44:20] <epsilon> gorillas: probably your router... does other mashines in the network have same issue?
559[02:44:48] <gorillas> nope, but I feel like I should install it as soon I get this issue...resolved... ugh...lol
560[02:45:09] <gorillas> epsilon: all other devices in the house use wifi and are not experiencing any issues.
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563[02:46:19] <epsilon> gorillas: hard to debug... you could try uninstall resolvconf package
564[02:46:23] <Lady_Aleena> de-facto, I will use another usb when transferring files between this Debian computer and the other Windows XP computer.
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567[02:47:29] <de-facto> ok
568[02:47:46] <gorillas> epsilon: no kidding! checking router(gateway) now. will try to uninstall resolvconf when back in debian.
569[02:48:13] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: they are two seperate computers? Are they on the same network?
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571[02:49:01] <debby> pencilandpaper: thanks!
572[02:49:07] <debby> pencilandpaper: would this be correct?: deb replaced-url
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574[02:49:25] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, they are not networked, even though they are connected to the internet through the same modem/router. Networking these computers is a pain in the butt.
575[02:50:03] <pencilandpaper> Yes debby , I think so..did it return a error in terminal?
576[02:50:15] <debby> yes, but I think it may have another reason for this
577[02:50:39] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: they are both connected to the same router but networking them is hard? Are they not connected at the same time or you just dont' know how to setup networking to transfer files betwen them?
578[02:50:53] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I'd love to network the computers together, but the firewalls on the various routers don't allow it.
579[02:50:56] <pencilandpaper> What do you think the reason for it is debby ?
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581[02:51:37] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I would have to explain the router situation either in PM or #debian-offtopic, since it isn't really a #debian issue.
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583[02:52:34] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: they should allow port forward which should be enough to at least use winscp and ssh to copy files (using the windows machine). I didn't realize they were on different routers/networks so file sharing may take more work
584[02:52:43] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, if you want to know, you'd need to get out paper and pencil to draw out the weirdness.
585[02:53:27] <locrian9> I'm following these steps to get Debian installed onto my HP Proliant server using a 4GB USB stick:
586[02:53:32] <locrian9> Have downloaded an older version of Debian (debian-40r9-i386-netinst.iso) 161 MB, for software application specific reasons.
587[02:53:36] <locrian9> Trying to use the 'dd' command to write onto the USB stick.
588[02:53:39] <locrian9> Entering "sudo dd if=/home/mike/distros/debian-40r9-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb status=progress"
589[02:53:43] <locrian9> I've confirmed that 'sdb' is my usb, as I can see this appear/reappear when I 'ls /dev | less' upon removing and adding the USB stick.
590[02:53:47] <locrian9> It says 168460800 bytes (168MB) copied, 291.946150 s, 577 kB/s 329660+0 records in 3296600+0 records out.
591[02:53:51] <locrian9> I'll boot up the HP Proliant server, and it's not noticing the USB stick. "Non System Disk or Disk Error".
592[02:53:58] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, so, I'm willing to type it out if you want to know. 8)
593[02:54:27] <gorillas> epsilon: I can't find any dhcp server settings in the router. Thanks so much for all your help. Gotta eat dinner and try round two. Maybe I'll be back with good news. Or for more help. Thanks all.
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595[02:55:15] <locrian9> Is there a file that I'm missing inside the USB stick besides the .iso?
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598[02:55:45] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I don't think I need the whole thing explained to me. I see they are on different networks and configuring them to share the network could take work, but as I said, I think just using simple port forwarding so the windows machine can ssh to the linux machine should work.
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600[02:56:13] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, all other routers are connected to the main router on a shelf beside me.
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603[02:56:34] <somiaj> locrian9: are you sure that older version supports usb boot (I'm unsure what debian version that was standard that the iso were hibred)
604[02:56:38] <Lady_Aleena> s/all other/the other 3/;
605[02:56:49] <de-facto> locrian9 can you mount it and see the files on it after you did that? do other computers boot from it? have you set your server to boot first from usb, then try other devices?
606[02:57:51] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, what is port forwarding? Also, I barely know how to use ssh since I use clients for most of my work on remote servers.
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611[02:59:14] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: ssh isn't fully what i"m suggesting, but with ssh you can use scp (or winscp) and then just use the windows computer to copy files back and forth though ssh
612[02:59:58] <abrotman> wtf are "clients" ?
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614[03:00:25] <locrian9> de-facto: When I 'ls -lhat' in the directory, there's nothing listed. If I did the 'dd' method of writing the .iso onto this USB, I should see the .iso file, right?
615[03:01:22] <locrian9> de-facto: If I start from scratch again, what type of filesystem should I write onto the USB?
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617[03:01:37] <de-facto> locrian9 if you dd if=your.iso of=/dev/yourusbblockdevice then you should have a filesytem on your usb after that (if the iso supports that method)
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620[03:02:04] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: port forwarding is a common configuration all routers I've used have. What it does it takes a port on the outside and forwards it to a specific port on the inside. So on your outside most router forward port 22 to the ip of the router that has the linux machine, then on the router with the linux machine forward port 22 to the ip of the linux machine (note this will put port 22 on the internet so you may want to install fail2ban -- but ...
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622[03:02:10] <somiaj> ... that is another discussion).
623[03:02:44] <de-facto> locrian9 then if you replug it you should see those files as content of your usb and in addition to that a bootloader would land in front of your filesystem on the usb block device
624[03:03:14] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: anyways, this will allow it so your windows machine can connect to your linux machine by using the main router. It does put an ssh server running on the internet, but I cannot think of a way to avoid this in a simple fashion with your setup.
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627[03:04:01] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: actually I bet you could do it with only configuring port forwarding on the router that is connected tot he linux machien and not expose your ssh server to the internet.
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629[03:04:24] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: this is drifting off topic, maybe /msg me if you want description on how to do that.
630[03:05:17] <locrian9> de-facto: Ok, I'll give it another try.
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632[03:06:08] <de-facto> locrian9 actually im not sure if your iso supports that method
633[03:06:31] <Lady_Aleena> abrotman, FileZilla is a file transfer client, ThunderBird is an email client, Firefox is a web client, etc.
634[03:06:53] <debby> pencilandpaper: hm, I think the reason may be the proxy server used for apt
635[03:07:51] <pencilandpaper> I see debby . Thats odd though I think.
636[03:08:08] <pencilandpaper> One sec.
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638[03:08:12] <de-facto> locrian9 if not you might want to try something like replaced-url
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640[03:08:37] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I think the most secure way is use just usb drives to transfer the files for now, especially since I can't get into the setup on my modem/router due to me forgetting the password and not being able to find out how to reset and put in a new one.
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644[03:10:04] <pencilandpaper> It went through for me debby , although I am using jessie.
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646[03:10:48] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, though it is a good conversation for me while waiting for my current rsync to get done. I've been waiting for several hours now.
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648[03:11:05] <pencilandpaper> I am actually using Devuan, debian without systemd..but I still have the debian sources commented out..and checked the jessie backports.
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651[03:13:41] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, maybe one day I will be savvy enough to get all of these computers networked. (I have 7 [5 desktops and 2 laptops] in the room where I am currently sitting. 1 is in the living room. 2 are in the shed.)
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656[03:14:05] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: just get a switch, a single router should be able ot handel that.
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659[03:15:21] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, they are all on one modem/router which is branched off to 3 (2 with 4 ports, 1 with 8 ports) other routers.
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663[03:17:13] <locrian9> de-facto: Yes, I might have to try the unetbootin option again. I ran through that a few times, and had some issues. At least I could tell that my HP Proliant server was picking up on the USB, but it gave me some errors 'syslinux failed to load com32 file menu.c32'. Thanks for the info.
664[03:17:16] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: yes I got that picture. Get a switch, and then you won't need the other routers.
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666[03:17:54] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, it would take a lot of money to buy all the cables needed to reach the other computers if I put them all on one router.
667[03:17:55] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: you might even be able to use the 8 port router as a switch, but switches come in various sizes, 8, 12, etc.
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671[03:18:43] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, and a switch tells me when I am using 1 computer with the router, I wouldn't be able to use the others.
672[03:18:54] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: replace the routers with switches, you may even be able to use the router as a switch (just put evertying on the wlan side of it) -- though then you may have multiple dhcp servers.
673[03:19:21] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: you will be able to use all the computers ont he same network with a single router. You just need more ports (hence the switch)
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675[03:19:54] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, and a lot more cable (several 100 feet of it in one case).
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682[03:21:31] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, the reason I use subrouters is so I can run one cable to each area where we need internet access instead of having to run several to each area.
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685[03:22:07] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I don't think you are understanding what a switch is. Use them instead of routers, then they will all be on the same network.
686[03:22:09] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, or I would have to use splitters.
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688[03:22:30] <average> has debian adopted systemd ?
689[03:22:45] <somiaj> average: yes, though if one chooses you can use debian with sysvinit
690[03:22:56] <somiaj> average: you still need parts of systemd installed, but it will not be your init system
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694[03:24:06] <average> somiaj: my understanding is people don't really like it
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696[03:24:10] <average> yet it has made its way into debian
697[03:24:13] <average> how so ?
698[03:24:23] <srg> average: Most distros have included it at this point.
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700[03:24:37] <srg> THe people who don't like it just tend to be loud mouthed.
701[03:24:39] <somiaj> average: there is a lot of contraversity over systemd which is off-topic here. But there are plenty who like it.
702[03:25:09] <somiaj> average: I personally think it is nice init system to control/configure, but I have very limited use
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705[03:26:07] <somiaj> !why systemd
706[03:26:07] <dpkg> a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at replaced-url
707[03:26:25] <somiaj> average: read that email from the mailing lists, is has a long anaylisis of the various choses debian had and why debian chose systemd
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709[03:27:54] <watersj> someone please point me in the right direction to get python3.5 installed (deb perferred). ruinning jessie, is backports?
710[03:28:26] <somiaj> ,v python3
711[03:28:27] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.1-3; sid: 3.5.1-3
712[03:28:51] <somiaj> watersj: and 3.4 won't work for you, there is no straight forward way to do this without building it yyourself.
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714[03:29:10] <watersj> somiaj, what i figured, was trying to avoid it
715[03:29:41] <somiaj> watersj: I would just build it and put it in a local place like /opt and use pythons virtualenviroment if you want a version of python not provided in the debian's repos
716[03:29:49] <watersj> i want subprocess.run instead of subprocess.call
717[03:30:05] <watersj> seems cleaner for what I am wanting to do
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721[03:30:40] <qmr> yea, put it in /opt or /usr/local
722[03:30:58] <somiaj> I woudln't put it in /usr/local jsut because of $PATH issues
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753[03:51:22] <gorillas> epsilon: fyi, resolvconf not installed so cannot uninstall.
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758[03:53:01] <gorillas> and resolv.conf appears blank when actually in debian.
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776[04:06:22] <epsilon> gorillas: but replaced-url
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779[04:08:19] <gorillas> epsilon: indeed, because I just realized that I used absolute pathnames earlier and relative and therefore gave you wrong info, info from this LinuxMint and NOT the debian install, so sorry. Feel like a goof.
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781[04:08:36] <gorillas> resolv.conf is blank
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785[04:09:09] <epsilon> well try: echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf
786[04:09:26] <epsilon> (or whatever your ISPs DNS is)
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789[04:11:52] <gorillas> bash: resolv.conf: Permission denied
790[04:12:00] <gorillas> even with sudo?
791[04:12:05] <markybob> as sudo or root
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796[04:13:53] <gorillas> sudo didn't work, su did. okay, well that seemed to write it to file, now I need to reboot to see if that helps.
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828[04:21:53] <gorillas> epsilon: well, resolv.conf is blank again. appears to get overwritten with nothing.
829[04:21:56] <guilegarcia> Hi
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832[04:22:41] <somiaj> gorillas: are you using network manager to manager your network, I think you can state the nameserver in that.
833[04:22:42] <guilegarcia> I downloaded the Debian Cinnamon, but the version of cinnamon is very old. I can update it?
834[04:22:48] <somiaj> gorillas: or have you identified what is overwriting the file?
835[04:22:59] <epsilon> gorillas: check the logs which program is fetching the IP from dhcp
836[04:23:02] <somiaj> guilegarcia: are you running debian jessie?
837[04:23:04] <markybob> guilegarcia: no. there is no cinnamon backport.
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839[04:23:43] <guilegarcia> somiaj, yes.
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841[04:24:10] <markybob> guilegarcia: debian stable is known for rock solid, old, stable packages. that's kinda how it works.
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844[04:24:50] <guilegarcia> markybob: thanks
845[04:25:10] <guilegarcia> what is the default desktop of debian?
846[04:25:16] <markybob> gnome
847[04:25:41] <somiaj> gorillas: the package resolvconf (or openresolv) may help you, though I would identify what is overwriting the configuration file and configure that
848[04:26:07] <jim> somehow, I lost pulseaudio (I'm running debian-jessie)... looking in /etc/init.d, I did not find anything that starts it... so, the question of course is, how can I start it again?
849[04:26:10] <somiaj> guilegarcia: I like to think debian gives the user the choice of desktop, there are install images for them all. You can even just use a window manage.
850[04:26:16] <guilegarcia> markybob: thanks. i'll test it.
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853[04:26:31] <markybob> guilegarcia: that'll be "old" too, btw.
854[04:26:48] <somiaj> jim: it is probabaly controled via systemd, I'm not positive on the name but maybe, 'systemctl status pulseaudio'
855[04:26:58] <guilegarcia> markybob: :/
856[04:27:05] <LambdaComplex> jim: shouldn't ''pulseaudio --start'' do it?
857[04:27:25] <guilegarcia> markybob: you recommend another distribution "stable" up to date?
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860[04:27:30] <jim> (I also looked in alsamixer, it usually has a pulse volume control, that's gone now too) ok, I'll check both of those things out
861[04:27:33] <somiaj> guilegarcia: debian jessie has the versions avaialble at the time of the freeze.
862[04:27:50] <LambdaComplex> jim: if you're just trying to start it, then my thing should work. as for starting at boot.....i'm actually not sure
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864[04:27:56] <jim> LambdaComplex, that's run as the user who logs into the dm, right?
865[04:28:08] <gorillas> epsilon: var/log/messages?
866[04:28:14] <markybob> guilegarcia: depends on the user and what you want. i use stable and love it. i'm good with not having the newest, most shiny thing. it's rock solid and no surprises
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868[04:28:25] <jim> I have some reason to believe it runs as the user
869[04:28:33] <LambdaComplex> jim: i believe so, yes
870[04:28:41] <LambdaComplex> though i don't use a dm
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872[04:29:12] <jim> (becase dm is pronounced dum...)
873[04:29:55] <jim> LambdaComplex, I get that, and someday I'll ask about your setup (can't now)
874[04:29:55] <guilegarcia> markybob: I'm using manjaro now and i had many surprises kkk
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877[04:30:38] <LambdaComplex> jim: hopefully i'll have figured out how pulseaudio is getting started, because i actually can't seem to find anything doing it O.o
878[04:30:41] <guilegarcia> markybob: because this I'm choosing other distribution.
879[04:30:43] <LambdaComplex> (fwiw i'm on arch)
880[04:31:23] <markybob> guilegarcia: if you don't have a very specific reason that's important for needed something newer, debian is perfect
881[04:31:29] <markybob> needing*
882[04:31:50] <jim> someone was clever :P
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886[04:32:34] <jim> LambdaComplex, and yes, that did start it and restore my audio
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888[04:32:51] <jim> which had been a subgoal of mime
889[04:32:55] <jim> mine
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891[04:33:34] <LambdaComplex> sorry, i'm imagining a mime trying to troubleshoot your pulseaudio now
892[04:33:38] <guilegarcia> markybob: I like to have the updated environments! ;)
893[04:33:54] <markybob> guilegarcia: then debian isn't for you. that's also not a great reason.
894[04:34:05] <jim> thanks... also, I'm in the process of rebuilding the kxstudio packages on debian, so they don't have any metadata that suggests ubuntu. more later, if interested
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896[04:34:49] <LambdaComplex> jim: was it originally packaged for ubuntu?
897[04:34:59] <guilegarcia> markybob: ok, thanks ;)
898[04:35:07] <LambdaComplex> ew, someone said manjaro
899[04:35:16] <coruja> *whisper* for the brave and tough there are also testing and unstable *cough*
900[04:35:37] <somiaj> guilegarcia: debian stables packages are frozen and well tested, the scarifice is you get the versions available at the time of the freeze.
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902[04:35:48] <LambdaComplex> coruja: and for the insane you can mix all of them into a frankendebian! [disclaimer: don't do that]
903[04:35:55] <LambdaComplex> oh, also bedrock linux
904[04:36:09] <somiaj> guilegarcia: but if you want newer software avaialble sooner, debian stable may not be the distro you choose.
905[04:36:14] <coruja> i'm running testing for years and i'm fine
906[04:36:19] <LambdaComplex> anyone here tried bedrock? seems like a cool concept
907[04:36:52] <somiaj> coruja: it works fine, but one should expect and know how to deal with bugs when they pop up.
908[04:37:01] <coruja> +1
909[04:37:11] <guilegarcia> somiaj: thanks, you recommend other distribution 'stable' and newer?
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912[04:37:29] <somiaj> also once stretch freezes, testingings biggest disavantage is no security support as random bugs stop creeping in.
913[04:38:11] <coruja> as i hinted, you may try debian testing (installer isos available) or some derivate based on debian unstable
914[04:38:23] <markybob> newbiews should never try testing
915[04:38:34] <markybob> you need to have basic debian knowledge
916[04:38:38] <LambdaComplex> i'm on arch and updating has only stopped me from booting once :D
917[04:38:54] <somiaj> guilegarcia: I don't have any recommendendations. Each distro model has its pros and cons, and you have to come to the decision yourself. I like debian, its pro is that it works well together, con, debian makes minimal changes to the release to ensure things continue to work together.
918[04:39:08] <coruja> arch is fine too, but demands even more from its users
919[04:39:22] <somiaj> guilegarcia: There is distrowatch and other places you can see various reviews on distros.
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923[04:40:17] <LambdaComplex> coruja: pretty much. didn't worry me a single bit. all i did was boot to the liveusb, chroot in, and roll back systemd. but for a newbie? probably not a fun time
924[04:40:34] <coruja> probably ;)
925[04:41:37] <LambdaComplex> ...which is part of why i (we?) dislike arch derivatives. anyone who installed arch the "proper" way should be capable of doing that. but if you used an installer? who the heck knows?
926[04:41:50] <gorillas> epsilon somiaj : I guess I'm not sure which logs to check or how to track down what is writing to the file. I've been poking around but probably need to get walked through this.
927[04:42:21] <guilegarcia> somiaj: ok, thanks!
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942[04:49:10] <TheWarden> Hi
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944[04:49:42] <TheWarden> I'm trying to dual boot with grub. I run os-prober and then update-grub2. However it doesn't seem to detect the drive with Windows 10 on it. What am I missing?
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946[04:51:12] <LambdaComplex> TheWarden: First question...BIOS or UEFI?
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950[04:52:04] <TheWarden> LambdaComplex: Windows was installed via EFI. I'm not sure how to tell if Linux was... its suppose to be but not sure.
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952[04:52:23] <TheWarden> LambdaComplex: shouldn't /boot/ have a directory with EFI?
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954[04:52:56] <LambdaComplex> TheWarden: Yeah, run ''lsblk'' and see if you have something mounted there
955[04:53:02] <LambdaComplex> Probably either /boot/ or /boot/efi
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957[04:53:27] <LambdaComplex> And if Windows is installed in EFI mode then I can pretty much guarantee Linux was too
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960[04:54:00] <TheWarden> LambdaComplex: I ran lsblk under Linux and I don't see /boot/ or /boot/efi in the list.
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967[04:56:42] <TheWarden> I don't believe on can mix the two different methods of booting. Not sure how to tell on the Linux side. argh.... so annoying.
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981[05:01:00] <LambdaComplex> TheWarden: Run ''lsblk -f'' and see which partition has vfat under the fstype
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989[05:07:05] <TheWarden> LambdaComplex: Ahh okay... I see it sdc2
990[05:07:12] <LambdaComplex> TheWarden: Is it mounted anywhere?
991[05:07:24] <TheWarden> LambdaComplex: no
992[05:07:36] <LambdaComplex> TheWarden: Strange...is it listed in /etc/fstab ?
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994[05:08:01] <TheWarden> LambdaComplex: nno
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996[05:08:51] <LambdaComplex> TheWarden: Hm....Well, I suppose grub is just loading the .efi files...so I guess that really is fine
997[05:09:20] <jmcnaught> TheWarden: which image did you use to install Debian? Some like the live and netboot images have no UEFI support
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999[05:09:28] <TheWarden> LambdaComplex: I guess.. I still question if Linux was even installed via EFI.
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1001[05:10:14] <TheWarden> jmcnaught: in all honesty I'm not sure. Its not my system and they don't recall.
1002[05:10:38] <LambdaComplex> TheWarden: Run ''efibootmgr''
1003[05:10:48] <LambdaComplex> Should fail if you didn't boot in EFI mode
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1005[05:11:45] <TheWarden> LambdaComplex: I tried to do that and I get back "efibootmgr: EFI variables are not supported on this system".
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1008[05:13:54] <jmcnaught> TheWarden: I don't know enough about Windows 10 to know if it can boot in BIOS mode, but it certainly seems like Debian was installed without UEFI support.
1009[05:14:05] <markybob> it can't
1010[05:14:12] <markybob> since windows 8 it requires uefi
1011[05:14:24] <TheWarden> so only solution then is to re-install Debian under EFI?
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1013[05:15:08] <LambdaComplex> That should just be a matter of getting access to the efi vars and then changing the bootloader
1014[05:15:33] <LambdaComplex> And possibly changing the kernel. Not sure if it needs to be an efistub or not actually
1015[05:15:42] <aypea[1]> thew: boot in and install grub-efi-<arch> and see if you can get it going
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1017[05:15:48] <jmcnaught> TheWarden: you can replace grub-pc with grub-efi if you boot the system with a debian installer in rescue mode
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1022[05:16:19] <TheWarden> jmcnaught: oh, mm I guess I'll have search that up. No clue how that is done.
1023[05:16:42] <aypea[1]> TheWarden: do you have secure boot on?
1024[05:17:01] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell TheWarden about reinstall grub
1025[05:17:13] <TheWarden> aypea[1]: I don't believe so, but I would have to look in the bios to see. I would have to say no since it can boot into Linux now fine.
1026[05:18:06] <aypea[1]> TheWarden: it's something to check. otherwise a full re-install should not be required.
1027[05:18:30] <TheWarden> aypea[1]: ok thanks.
1028[05:18:35] <TheWarden> Thanks for the help.
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1032[05:19:09] <aypea[1]> TheWarden: replaced-url
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1035[05:20:22] <jmcnaught> aypea[1]: we like to assume that people can search google themselves :)
1036[05:21:37] <aypea[1]> jmcnaught: I already had it up :)
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1039[05:23:03] <buu> So
1040[05:23:31] <buu> How do I figure out which disk is /dev/sdn when it's disabled by the kernel and not showing up in /dev/disk/by-id ?
1041[05:23:51] <aypea[1]> buu: dmesg|grep sdn
1042[05:23:58] <buu> aypea[1]: and?
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1044[05:24:36] <aypea[1]> buu: it should give you some info that may be of use but if you don't have a /dev/ file for it then life will be hard.
1045[05:24:54] <aypea[1]> if there is an actual /dev/sdn then hdparm may be of use
1046[05:24:58] <buu> I have a block device for it.. that doesn't respond
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1048[05:25:23] <aypea[1]> buu: the other option is to identify everything else and, be elimination, you'll know what failed.
1049[05:25:38] <buu> I'm really trying hard to avoid that
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1053[05:26:24] <aypea[1]> buu: so grep dmesg or /var/log/dmesg
1054[05:26:33] <aypea[1]> buu: otherwise hdparm if that's not enough
1055[05:26:36] <buu> aypea[1]: That doesn't actually list the id
1056[05:26:40] <buu> Or rather, the serial
1057[05:27:04] <buu> It's at24 and <seagate> but not the SN
1058[05:27:37] <aypea[1]> if that's of no use, hdparm
1059[05:27:52] <buu> HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Input/output error
1060[05:27:55] <buu> Did I mention it's broke
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1062[05:28:04] <aypea[1]> there are many ways things can break
1063[05:28:18] <buu> It's broke to the point that the kernel unloaded it from /dev/disk
1064[05:28:33] <buu> I guess I only have like 5 seagates left
1065[05:28:56] <aypea[1]> buu: does dmesg give you the interface id? 'sd x:y:z:w:'?
1066[05:29:03] <buu> Someday I'm going to learn to label things
1067[05:29:05] <buu> aypea[1]: yep
1068[05:29:13] <buu> 24:0:0:0
1069[05:29:43] <aypea[1]> buu: that may correlate to the numbering of the ports
1070[05:29:50] <aypea[1]> (it does for me)
1071[05:30:08] <buu> This is a good idea except it's more than sightly jerryrigged and I have like 3 different controller cards
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1073[05:31:07] <aypea[1]> buu: that MAY not be an issue
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1076[05:31:35] <aypea[1]> buu: is there a host24 mentioned?
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1078[05:32:48] <buu> aypea[1]: Not that I noticed
1079[05:33:02] <buu> I just managed to pull out the correct disk first try though
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1081[05:33:13] <aypea[1]> buu: fun times :)
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1084[05:33:40] <buu> It'll be far more fun if my zpool isn't corrupt =[
1085[05:34:36] <buu> I managed to get a whole bunch of ST3000 disks and through sheer skill put them all on the same vdev
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1088[05:36:50] <buu> Ok
1089[05:36:58] <buu> How do I tell linux to rescan sd devices?
1090[05:38:44] <qmr> 'rescan'? why?
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1092[05:39:52] <buu> As in hotplugging
1093[05:40:14] <buu> oh well, worked like magic
1094[05:40:14] <buu> yay
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1097[05:43:30] <buu> I wonder how bad
1098[05:43:37] <epsilon> buu: echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/*/scan
1099[05:43:49] <buu> Thanks
1100[05:44:15] <epsilon> applies for scsi and sata
1101[05:44:45] <buu> Are you operating under the assumption there's only one scsi_host ?
1102[05:44:53] <qmr> buu: the kernel will see when you plug new things in
1103[05:44:57] <buu> it did
1104[05:46:05] <epsilon> look at /sys/class/scsi_host/, there are the hosts
1105[05:46:21] <buu> you wrote > /scsi_host/*/scan
1106[05:46:28] <buu> Is there some magic that would make that workf or multip[le hosts?
1107[05:46:37] <epsilon> *
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1111[05:46:58] <epsilon> assumed you use something like bash
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1113[05:48:04] <buu> I don't think echo > file1 file file 3; works very well
1114[05:48:21] <aypea[1]> blessed be the for loop for it is truly blessed
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1116[05:50:24] <buu> sure
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1119[05:51:08] <buu> [ 972.004518] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdx] Synchronizing SCSI cache
1120[05:51:14] <buu> I wonder how long that will take
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1212[06:57:09] <tuxopenwrt_> jcmnaught: bootloader crashed so i installed stretch/sid on the USB
1213[06:57:28] <tuxopenwrt_> now i dont see a network manage on xfce which installed it
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1215[06:58:06] <tuxopenwrt_> now sure how to get network service. I saw couple of forums which suggested it will be in app>settings , app> system but seems there is nothing
1216[06:58:12] <tuxopenwrt_> any suggestion
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1222[07:01:07] <jmcnaught> tuxopenwrt_: if i recall correctly you're the one who had their grub bootloader on a USB that was lost? Why the jump to stretch?
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1225[07:02:30] <tuxopenwrt_> jcmnaught: yes, my system din't come up on reboot unfortunately. I just got sid on USB to fix it as i had no other option
1226[07:02:58] <tuxopenwrt_> i din't notice it was stretch.. should have got jesse
1227[07:03:10] <tuxopenwrt_> but i can update once i get network activity i guess
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1229[07:04:04] <jmcnaught> tuxopenwrt_: well you can't downgrade from testing/unstable to jessie. what do you mean you installed it on the USB? Don't you want to be able to boot Debian from the internal HDD?
1230[07:06:18] <tuxopenwrt_> jcmnaught : i meant i installed it on HDD using USB
1231[07:06:34] <tuxopenwrt_> and it is booting from HDD, but no network
1232[07:07:15] <jmcnaught> tuxopenwrt_: your IRC client can probably tab-complete nicks, mine starts with jm not jc by the way so i'm not actually getting highlighted :)
1233[07:08:02] <jmcnaught> tuxopenwrt_: is your goal to stuck with testing/unstable, or to get jessie installed?
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1238[07:09:06] <tuxopenwrt_> jmcnaught: i guess jessie might be better ; not sure if some software won't work with testing and I have to revert
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1244[07:11:17] <jmcnaught> tuxopenwrt_: you were using Wheezy before weren't you? Do you have a jessie installer available?
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1252[07:14:18] <tuxopenwrt_> jmcnaught: yes Wheezy before. Nope, seems i should get CD-1 of this :replaced-url
1253[07:14:55] <jmcnaught> tuxopenwrt_: the netinst image will probably mean less downloading. Will you be using ethernet or wifi during the install?
1254[07:15:36] <tuxopenwrt_> jmcnaught: nope, i don't hope to
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1256[07:16:08] <jmcnaught> tuxopenwrt_: do you mean you have no network available at all during the install?
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1260[07:17:34] <jmcnaught> tuxopenwrt_: cd-1 will work too, but netinst is what's usually recommended if you have network available during the install
1261[07:17:39] <tuxopenwrt_> jmcnaught: i have something from my mobile phone, just thought the iso install might be faster
1262[07:17:58] <tuxopenwrt_> jmcnaught: i meant fast to install with the packages available
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1268[07:19:31] <pointless> hi
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1270[07:20:10] <jmcnaught> tuxopenwrt_: with cd-1 you download a bunch before the install, and maybe some/most/all of the packages on the cd get installed, maybe you need more from the network. with netinst you download a little before the install, and it downloads packages as needed
1271[07:20:24] <pointless> anybody can help with setting up a webcam stream live service in debian on a "big" droplet from digitalocean?
1272[07:20:34] <pointless> (good morning)
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1276[07:21:10] <jmcnaught> pointless: better to ask specific questions
1277[07:21:19] <tuxopenwrt_> jmcnaught: my last install was a net install thats why I am hesitant to use that now
1278[07:21:41] <jmcnaught> tuxopenwrt_: the last install was broken because you used unetbootin
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1281[07:24:30] <tuxopenwrt_> jmcnaught: true that
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1283[07:25:36] <pointless> jmcnaught: that was a specific question
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1285[07:25:58] <pointless> jmcnaught: I need help setting something up
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1287[07:26:27] <jmcnaught> tuxopenwrt_: if you follow the instructions in the install manual you'll be fine. prepare the USB stick with "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" (not to a partition) or win32diskimager if on windows
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1289[07:26:50] <jmcnaught> !anyone
1290[07:26:51] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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1292[07:27:19] <jmcnaught> pointless: tell us what you're using, what problem you're having, what you've tried, and someone might be able to help you
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1316[07:41:06] <wegg> is there a recommended guide to get samba configured on debian so that windows 10 machines can see the files? I can't seem to get it to work.
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1321[07:45:26] <somiaj> wegg: just to see the files should almost work out of the box. You'll just have to login as your user and you should have access to $HOME
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1323[07:45:34] <somiaj> wegg: you might have to enter int he ip address of the server.
1324[07:46:08] <somiaj> wegg: replaced-url
1325[07:46:09] <wegg> I get "Error code: 0x80070043
1326[07:46:25] <wegg> "The network name cannot be found"
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1330[07:53:37] <xreal> I'm shocked. What's happening with Debian? atop is still at v1.2 - even in experimental. it's way beyond 2.2 right now!
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1333[07:54:51] <xreal> That's more than 4 years.
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1342[07:59:06] <wegg> somiaj, I used GADMIN-SAMBA and it looks like it is working now.
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1346[07:59:43] <TomTomTosch> xreal: not sure what's shocking but it means that probably not enough people cared about a newer version of atop. you can send a bug with severity wishlist or ask the maintainer.
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1352[08:03:48] <xreal> TomTomTosch: atop is one if the completes logger... it captures, what all other things, like sar, vmstat etc. logs - but in one daemon.
1353[08:03:49] <rook2pawn> i borked my xorg.conf with nvidia / bumblebee, and i just want to boot into tty but lightdm always is starting and breaks
1354[08:03:50] <somiaj> Last update of atop was 2012, may need a matainer.
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1357[08:04:07] <xreal> somiaj & TomTomTosch: okay, I'll send it to the wish list. Thanks.
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1359[08:04:19] <somiaj> xreal: the best bet is build it yourself and install in /usr/local
1360[08:04:36] <rook2pawn> is there a way from GRUB to just get to text? i tried removing quiet to text and it still starts the Login manager
1361[08:04:39] <xreal> somiaj: guess what I did. I've released the log format changed and when I had a look at dpkg, I was shocked ;)
1362[08:04:50] <somiaj> xreal: unsure about the source, but it might build fairly easy, and debian gets along with stuff in /usr/local just fine
1363[08:04:52] <SPF> rook2pawn: what about logging in remotely through ssh?
1364[08:04:55] <xreal> realized*
1365[08:05:16] <xreal> somiaj: Some parts need to be changed for debian, f.e. the init and logrotate thing.
1366[08:05:21] <somiaj> xreal: last update was 2012, seems mostly abaondended in debian. May just need a matainer. I would see if there is a wishlist bug for a newer version already.
1367[08:05:26] <dax> there is
1368[08:05:41] <dax> some people worked on it, but nothing finished, and last comment wasn't recent
1369[08:05:41] <rook2pawn> SPF: no ssh server installed. ctrl+alt+number doesnt work since its somehow resetting the screen every second
1370[08:05:55] <xreal> dax: thanks.
1371[08:05:59] <rook2pawn> but that would be a good idea in the future..
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1373[08:06:15] <xreal> dax: do you have the link for me?
1374[08:06:46] <cafuego> rook2pawn: You can add 'single' to the kernel line in grub
1375[08:07:07] <cafuego> rook2pawn: that will start the box in runlevel 1, which should not start X
1376[08:07:08] <dax> xreal: replaced-url
1377[08:07:10] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1378[08:07:28] <SPF> rook2pawn: you can set grub to runlevel 3
1379[08:07:43] <SPF> rook2pawn: replaced-url
1380[08:07:57] <rook2pawn> i did try single as well. ro single
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1383[08:08:19] <cafuego> 'init=/bin/sh' will teach it a good lesson.
1384[08:08:42] <xreal> dax: Thanks. I've just got an answer from the old maintainer, who explained the problems he had with it.
1385[08:08:47] <cafuego> that'll boot straight to a shell without running ANY initscripts.
1386[08:09:03] <rook2pawn> not sure if i need anything from systemd! i just need a way to alter my xorg.conf
1387[08:09:24] <cafuego> Which means also no shutdown scripts, so you need to remount / read-only before hitting reset
1388[08:09:27] <xreal> Now I can start helping to make the new version work. Thanks for all.
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1392[08:10:50] <SPF> rook2pawn: you can rename xorg.conf to xorg.conf.disabled, for instance my system doesn't use xorg.conf
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1397[08:11:50] <ironpillow> hi all, what's the difference between netlink and netfilter? how are they related? thanks!
1398[08:12:33] <cafuego> ironpillow: they both have "net" in their names.
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1400[08:12:54] <midipix> hello; would this be the right place to share info about a libtool drop-in replacement?
1401[08:12:55] <ironpillow> cafuego: :) good one!
1402[08:13:09] <cafuego> ironpillow: netfilter is the kernel firewall system
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1405[08:13:44] <cafuego> ironpillow: netlink is a way for userspace and kernel space to talk to each other.
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1407[08:15:52] <ironpillow> cafuego: do netlink have anything to do with packets since it has 'net' in the name? Do packets first flow thru netfilter then thru netlink?
1408[08:16:01] <cafuego> ironpillow: No
1409[08:16:31] <cafuego> ironpillow: they are related by virtue of having "net" in their names, like I said.
1410[08:18:34] <ironpillow> cafuego: ah...got it.
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1414[08:19:58] <ironpillow> cafuego: so netfilter is used for iptables = packet filters. so does netlink have anything to do with packets?
1415[08:20:30] <cafuego> ironpillow: Yes, it's an interface for moving packets around, i guess.
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1418[08:21:28] <cafuego> ironpillow: there *is* a netlink target for netfilter, that means that netfilter *uses* netlink to send packets to user-space apps.
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1420[08:22:00] <cafuego> ironpillow: You wouldn't use that though for a "normal" firewall.
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1423[08:22:29] <cafuego> ironpillow: It's handy when you'r doing crazy things like emulating a really crappy internet connection on a local network.
1424[08:22:46] <cafuego> Or, possibly, when reverse engineering some network protocol.
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1432[08:24:20] <ironpillow> cafuego: ok so netfilter filters packets and these packets traverse from kernel space to user-space using netlink. did I get that right?
1433[08:24:36] <cafuego> ironpillow: Not normally, normally they stay in kernel space.
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1435[08:24:59] <cafuego> ironpillow: You *can* make them go to userspace using netlink.
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1445[08:30:25] <ironpillow> cafuego: so does netfilter operate in user-space or kernel space? when does one or an app use netlink to bring packets to user-space?
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1447[08:31:13] <cafuego> ironpillow: netfilter is in kernel space
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1449[08:31:47] <cafuego> ironpillow: netlink would bring packets to userspace say when you're sniffing network traffic.
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1459[08:36:34] <ironpillow> cafuego: really appreciate you taking the time and explaining. Also thanks for being patient. :)
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1528[09:05:17] <k_sze[work]> In Debian, is there a way to reload /etc/idmapd.conf without completely restarting the nfs service?
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1538[09:11:35] <jack-> hey, how do i install nvidia-detect?
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1551[09:17:09] <xreal> This is Bender, please insert a disk.
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1559[09:20:37] <donttrustem> Mornnig guys .. whats the command to set a directoy to inherit the top level perms
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1563[09:21:10] <donttrustem> I need to create subfolders with the owner and group
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1565[09:21:23] <donttrustem> I cannot remember the command
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1572[09:27:29] <cafuego> donttrustem: chmod
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1574[09:28:05] <cafuego> donttrustem: The 2 and 4 special bits
1575[09:28:12] <donttrustem> cafuego: Yeah I know that one but I want new dir’s to inherit the user:group
1576[09:28:28] <donttrustem> I cannot remember the command
1577[09:28:29] <cafuego> donttrustem: So probably 6770
1578[09:28:53] <cafuego> assuming "other" should not have access
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1582[09:30:17] <CtrlC> For banning specific IPs so the users can't access them, which config should I be looking for? All I find is other way round(banning users not to access the proxy)
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1584[09:30:33] <CtrlC> in squid.
1585[09:31:19] <cafuego> CtrlC: I'd probably use squidguard
1586[09:31:39] <CtrlC> let me see what it is.
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1589[09:32:30] <CtrlC> cafuego, that seems cool! Thank you.
1590[09:32:35] <cafuego> np :-)
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1594[09:32:57] <Guest78680> hi, how come madcatz can't make working hardware for linux? this is so frustrating
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1597[09:33:39] <MADcat-> my keyboard is jamming my trackball mouse.
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1599[09:34:05] <MADcat-> keyboard = madcats, mouse = logitech
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1603[09:37:48] <MADcat-> it might have something todo with xorg or something i guess
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1616[09:45:21] <CtrlC> What would be the easiest way to implement a socks proxy with filtering and auth options?
1617[09:45:46] <CtrlC> and the users might be on any OS.
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1623[09:49:09] <AimHere> I dunno about filtering, but if your users have shell accounts, and you're running sshd, then they can already use ssh -D to bind a local port so that it uses your machine as a socks proxy
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1955[10:12:15] * donttrustem is still struggling to find the command to set new subfolders to inheirt the top level user:group
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1959[10:16:21] <Akimoto> setfacl ?
1960[10:17:48] <donttrustem> just found it … replaced-url
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1968[10:19:39] <simonlnu> not a command, chmod does it
1969[10:19:56] <donttrustem> simonlnu: what is the syntax
1970[10:20:06] <simonlnu> man chmod
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1979[10:23:30] <Haohmaru> maybe it's offtopic, but i'm running out of hope here.. somehow suddenly my samba began adding "available = no" to my share section from <somewhere> .. what the hell's going on?
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1983[10:24:35] <Haohmaru> it's not in the config file, i even added "available = yes" there, and with testparm i see my "available = yes" followed by "available = no"
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2022[10:43:49] <teraflops> plovs: I'd recommend a better terminal emulator. that said Inconsolatazi4 looks pretty
2023[10:44:37] <plovs> teraflops: thanks, you mean urxvt?
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2031[10:46:31] <teraflops> I mean something that supports fontconfig
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2044[10:51:06] <plovs> teraflops: any suggestions? still controllable with Xresources instead of a gui tool?
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2047[10:52:52] <teraflops> plovs: sorry it was a personal opinion. fontconfig does not require a gui tool btw.
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2050[10:53:40] <plovs> teraflops: nono, appreciated :-) just trying to find something comfortable
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2053[10:55:50] <teraflops> plovs: well, there are so many. do you do DE or just a window manager?
2054[10:56:25] <plovs> teraflops: just a window manager, spectrwm
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2058[10:58:32] <teraflops> maybe terminator. gome-terminal, xfce4-terminal, the one kde ships are fine too I guess. there are more but im not aware if they are in the debian repos. st looks good this days and do pretty unicode too but does not use fontconfig.
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2072[11:09:01] <plovs> teraflops: thanks, playing around with terminator
2073[11:09:29] <Northman> I want to setup a bridged virtual infterface (br0) ontop of eth0, which will leave eth0(10.1.0.0/24) config untouched. It would be on many machines with different subnet(10.2.0.0/24), How do I achieve this ?
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2078[11:10:38] <teraflops> plovs: np ;)
2079[11:10:46] <Northman> or would a vlan be better in this case ?
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2085[11:14:55] <jelly> Northman: I don't think bridges work that way. You'll have to move the ip config from they phys iface to br0
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2090[11:16:17] <Northman> So only way here is a vlan or any other option ?
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2094[11:20:00] <teraflops> Northman: you miss the ip addr in eth0. maybe playing with the netmask do the trick in you case.
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2097[11:24:43] <Northman> You mean like I would change eth to 10.0.64.0/24 and 10.0.65.0/24 and they would be in the subnet 10.0.64.0/23 ?
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2104[11:29:20] <TxGVNN> hi everyone, i want to become Debian Maintainer.
2105[11:29:41] <TxGVNN> i have installed "how-can-i-help" package. And i want to maintain wicd package.
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2107[11:30:00] <TxGVNN> Will i need to do?
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2109[11:30:09] <teraflops> no, I mean 10.0.0.0/8 includes 10.1.0.0/24 and 10.2.0.0./24
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2117[11:32:56] <Northman> No, I cannot take up all the space, there are 5 subnets in the router right now.
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2122[11:38:44] <babilen> Ja, alle Bilder sind weg (Wavecon Logo und so)
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2124[11:39:01] <babilen> ECHAN
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2126[11:39:52] <shibly> Hi, is it possible to install gnome-core on virtualbox on windows?
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2128[11:40:10] <shibly> I've downloaded the first cd
2129[11:40:29] <sebjames> Hi, a networking question. I use the package ppp to make a connection to the internet via my broadband supplier (BT Infinity in the UK). ppp contains config in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ and in those config files, I ensure that the default route is set so that when the connection drops and restarts, the ppp connection restarts. Log messages show that when these scripts run, the default route is set. However, something is then resetting/removing the default rou
2130[11:40:30] <sebjames> te and I can't work out what that is. What might occur after a ppp connection restart that would upset the default route?
2131[11:40:53] <shibly> I've downloaded this: debian-8.4.0-i386-CD-1.iso
2132[11:41:13] <shibly> Installed debian minimal, not gnome, no graphical
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2141[11:47:24] <zeta-> My touchpad has stopped responding to taps -- not sure which pkg is responsible, xorg related?
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2155[12:01:44] <zeta-> Is it possible to use Sid only for certain pkgs?
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2159[12:02:28] <vegardx> Depends on dependencies. Ha!
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2162[12:03:00] <vegardx> It's usually a pretty safe way to bork your system properly, or end up with what is essentially sid anyway.
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2165[12:04:31] <zeta-> Yeah I guess it could get complicated :-(
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2172[12:08:45] <themill> zeta-: finding (or making) backported packages is simpler and more maintainable
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2181[12:12:00] <rook2pawn> i would like to use my nvidia card and am looking into bumblebee since i have an optimus system, but what is the point of package bumblebee since it uses nouveau driver?
2182[12:12:16] <Psy-Q> is there a happy combination of plasma and debian testing that doesn't crash all the time (krunner, plasmashell and the screen lock seem to crash a lot)?
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2188[12:17:14] <babilen> rook2pawn: You can use bumblebee with nouveau too: replaced-url
2189[12:17:20] <babilen> (not idea if that works)
2190[12:17:24] <babilen> -t
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2196[12:20:13] <teraflops> rook2pawn: the point is being able to launch application usings the nvidia gpu. it works with both drivers the binary blob and nouveau.
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2198[12:21:34] <babilen> The actual hardware that is (as opposed to the Intel card)
2199[12:21:37] <rook2pawn> but there is no nvidia driver
2200[12:21:40] <teraflops> applications using*
2201[12:21:48] <teraflops> rook2pawn: where?
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2203[12:22:01] <babilen> rook2pawn: You still have an intel GPU and a NVIDIA one
2204[12:22:03] <rook2pawn> on this page replaced-url
2205[12:22:10] <teraflops> rook2pawn: did you read the fine wiki?
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2207[12:22:37] <rook2pawn> they say if you want to use the propietary nvidia driver use bumblebee-nvidia (as opposed to bumblebee)
2208[12:24:03] <rook2pawn> so, if i install bumblebee it will let me use (through optirun?) the nvidia hardware?
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2212[12:25:22] <teraflops> rook2pawn: what's the problem? bumblebee-nvidia installs the binary nvidia driver replaced-url
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2214[12:26:31] <rook2pawn> i don't understand the distinction between bumblebee and bumblebee-nvidia
2215[12:27:00] <rook2pawn> since they say "if you want to use the free nouveau driver use bumblebee" but i thought bumblebee was to use nvidia?
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2218[12:28:02] <teraflops> no. bumblebee is the daemon that lets you switch of gpu automagically
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2224[12:29:42] <rook2pawn> ah, so if i use bumblebee where would i get the driver software?
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2227[12:29:56] <teraflops> ^
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2229[12:32:24] <rook2pawn> so what situation would there be where someone would want to install bumblebee and not bumblebee-nvidia?
2230[12:32:30] <teraflops> rook2pawn: bumblebee-nividia install bumblebee + nvidia driver. bumblebee installs just bumblebee. since you use nouveau the driver is already in the kernel.
2231[12:32:42] <teraflops> rook2pawn: please read the fine wiki
2232[12:33:56] <rook2pawn> i have, im asking how can bumblebee use nouveau to power nvidia hardware?
2233[12:34:17] <rook2pawn> "For users who would like to use the free nouveau driver: install bumblebee"
2234[12:34:31] <teraflops> sorry I cannot explain better than I already did.
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2236[12:35:40] <rook2pawn> i guess my question is, can you use nvidia hardware with nouveau drivers?
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2238[12:36:11] <rook2pawn> because that seems to be the case for someone who would install bumblebee and not bumblee-nvidia
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2242[12:37:56] <teraflops> rook2pawn: I'm starting to wonder if you're trolling me. please confirm or deny my suspicions.
2243[12:38:16] <rook2pawn> no, not trolling
2244[12:38:32] <rook2pawn> what scenario would someone use bumblebee and not bumblee-nvidia
2245[12:38:38] <rook2pawn> that's what i want to know
2246[12:39:09] <Myrtti> if they don't want the proprietary closed source nvidia drivers
2247[12:39:27] <teraflops> rook2pawn: if you're a foss jedi you use nouveau. if you dont want to mess with installing nvidia you go nouveau.
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2250[12:39:44] <rook2pawn> so nouveau CAN power nvidia hardware
2251[12:39:58] <Myrtti> why else would it exist
2252[12:40:16] <rook2pawn> ok , got it. That's all i was asking
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2254[12:40:42] <Myrtti> historically (in my personal experience) open source drivers tend to be easier to get working to some degree, while for the high spec demanding people it might be worthwhile using the manufacturer supplied stuff.
2255[12:40:46] <teraflops> rook2pawn: I alraedy told you
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2257[12:41:23] <teraflops> [...] bumblebee installs just bumblebee. since you use nouveau the driver is already in the kernel.
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2263[12:42:44] <rook2pawn> teraflops: i did not realize nouveau could power nvidia hardware. my assumption was that to power nvidia hardware, you needed nvidia branded drivers.
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2270[12:47:13] <teraflops> rook2pawn: ok sorry.
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2282[12:56:00] <Northman> Can you please tell me the current version of openstack packages on Jessie ? I cannot understand. Is it Essex ? It is very old ...
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2286[12:57:19] <Northman> I mean It says it is essex for wheezy, but I have jessie ...
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2289[12:59:35] <markybob> Northman: are you looking for openstack-toaster and openstack-clients ?
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2291[13:00:19] <markybob> Northman: use apt-cache show foo to check description. use apt-cache search openstack |more to find all openstack things
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2294[13:01:28] <Northman> I mean like if I follow openstack manual ( first is installing python-openstackclient and I install other packages in the same way). What version I will end up with ? I will try the cache thing
2295[13:01:29] <benjr> how can i tell if the load reported by uptime, top etc is high or not? a percentage would be mroe helpful than those number, but the percentage in top shows >100% which is nonsense
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2298[13:02:16] <markybob> Northman: yep cache will give you version numbers
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2301[13:03:49] <benjr> load average: 12.01, 7.67, 4.18 ... i think thats high but iu dont know how to make sense of it
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2303[13:04:29] <jelly> Northman: mitaka is in jessie-backports AFAIK, don't bother with what's in jessie
2304[13:04:43] <markybob> benjr: this is a good guide. replaced-url
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2310[13:06:05] <jelly> benjr: top by default shows CPU% as percentage of a single core
2311[13:06:43] <benjr> right, so when it says 12.01, and i have an 8-core cpu, that means its bottlenecking
2312[13:07:03] <jelly> load average is very different from cpu time.
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2318[13:08:51] <jelly> benjr: load average shows how many processes were ready and waiting to get their slice of cpu time, in a time period. It does not mean that lack of cpu time is a direct cause of that wait, and can vary wildly depending on actual workload.
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2322[13:09:42] <jelly> benjr: so you could have a 4-core machine with load avg of 10-30 and things running smoothly, or you could have a 4 core machine with a load of 0.01 getting hiccups
2323[13:09:57] <benjr> hmm
2324[13:10:01] <jelly> it's a clue, but not a direct measure
2325[13:10:41] <benjr> i have remote users streaming videos that are being transcoded in real time, how can i tell if its getting hiccups if i cant see what they see?
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2327[13:11:06] <jelly> you should make it possible to see their streams, them
2328[13:11:07] <jelly> then*
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2331[13:12:06] <benjr> so none of that data on load averages, cpu time , or anything else will tell me what id be able to know by viewing the stream myself?
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2343[13:19:13] <sagatak> benjr: perhaps it's worth starting from the other end: do you have a problem? :)
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2353[13:26:49] <brontosaurusrex> benjr: there are possible reasons for hickups on both server and client side, so perhaps test that transcoder works properly first, then test what would be a minimum cpu (or gpu) decoder "speed" needed.
2354[13:27:07] <brontosaurusrex> and the minimum net speed.
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2361[13:30:08] <benjr> i only have slow adsl with 1mb upload, but my fibre line will be installed by about this time next week, this was just a test, i guess ill hold off until thats all done
2362[13:30:32] <wewlad> I did 'chsh -s zsh user', it prompted a password, I entered it and then I got 'chsh: zsh is an invalid shell'. Why? is is it okay that /etc/shells contains 2 paths to zsh: /bin/zsh and /usr/bin/zsh?
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2365[13:31:23] <abrotman> wewlad: is zsh installed and in /etc/shells ?
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2367[13:31:59] <wewlad> abrotman: zsh is installed and as I wrote - that file contains 2 links to zsh
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2369[13:32:18] * abrotman didn't read the whole thing :(
2370[13:32:36] <abrotman> wewlad: and those are the correct paths? Try removing the one that isn't real?
2371[13:33:29] <wewlad> abrotman: both paths contain a 0k zsh@
2372[13:33:31] <joohoi> wewlad: provide a full path to shell for chsh
2373[13:33:52] <wewlad> joohoi: seems like a bug
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2377[13:35:22] <wewlad> how to know where a symlink (I guess 0k zsh@ is a symlink) points to?
2378[13:35:34] <wewlad> I can't find the path of the real binary for zsh
2379[13:35:46] <joohoi> you can point to symlink too, if it's listed in /etc/shells
2380[13:35:49] <wewlad> 'whereis' is damn useless
2381[13:35:50] <joohoi> afaik
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2383[13:35:58] <joohoi> and providing full path to chsh is the intended use
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2388[13:36:41] <wewlad> joohoi: no, man disagrees: -s, --shell SHELL: The name of the user's new login shell. Setting this field to blank causes the system to select the default login shell.
2389[13:36:51] <wewlad> the name of the shell, not the path to the shell
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2391[13:37:27] <joohoi> i wouldn't say it disagrees
2392[13:37:39] <wewlad> I would
2393[13:37:49] <wewlad> name != path
2394[13:38:05] <joohoi> it doesn't say filename either, so if you are trying to intepret that from word to word, you could come to an conclusion that you can name shells whatever
2395[13:38:11] <joohoi> give the name of your dog etc ;)
2396[13:38:22] <wewlad> zsh shell's name is 'zsh'
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2399[13:38:51] <wewlad> how to know where a symlink (I guess 0k zsh@ is a symlink) points to?
2400[13:38:55] <wewlad> I can't find the path of the real binary for zsh
2401[13:38:58] <wewlad> 'whereis' is damn useless
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2406[13:39:51] <markybob> wewlad: ls -l will tell you where a link points to
2407[13:39:55] <jelly> wewlad: readlink -f $(which zsh)
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2410[13:40:24] <wewlad> thanks pals, it turns out it's in /etc/alternatives/zsh-usrbin
2411[13:40:31] <jelly> no, no it's not :-)
2412[13:40:43] <jelly> that's another symlink
2413[13:40:47] <wewlad> oh
2414[13:40:51] <joohoi> wewlad: name of zsh is "the Z shell"
2415[13:40:59] <joohoi> the name referes to whatever entry is in /etc/shells
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2417[13:41:30] <wewlad> okay
2418[13:41:38] <wewlad> so '/bin/zsh5'
2419[13:41:41] <inthl> I am connected from a terminal to some console-like system (steamOS), which has X running. Now I would like to use either the running X session (which is not kde or something afaik) or to create a new one, to launch some programs which require X. in any way the current running session may not be interrrupted or sent to background so that the new one becomes visible. how could one do that? I have not even managed to figure out wit
2420[13:41:41] <inthl> h what DISPLAY env variable the current one is running at
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2422[13:42:49] <wewlad> when do changes made by chsh get applied?
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2424[13:43:04] <wewlad> I chsh'ed to zsh and I open a new terminal and it's still bash
2425[13:43:05] <joohoi> on next login
2426[13:43:09] <wewlad> ah
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2428[13:43:21] <lumidee> hi, is it okay to use a package from testing in jessie or is it likely to break things
2429[13:43:28] <jelly> lumidee: the latter
2430[13:43:31] <markybob> lumidee: it'll break
2431[13:43:35] <markybob> !tell lumidee about backports
2432[13:43:38] <lumidee> thanks for assuring
2433[13:43:39] <markybob> !tell lumidee about ssb
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2437[13:44:54] <joohoi> wewlad: however, i think you want to refer to the symlinks in system instead of the "real" binary
2438[13:45:25] <joohoi> the "5" in the end is most likely to note the major version, and i would guess the symlinks get changed dynamically to point to the latest and greatest in your system
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2440[13:45:51] <lumidee> i dont find a backport for the software 'bareos', but i could use their official repo which supports debian jessy
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2485[14:09:54] <khazakar> Hi all! I want to launch monopd server on my Debian Jessie server,but I cannot see it on gtkAtlantic.It can be because i have newer gtkatlantic and monopd on client tan on server?
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2493[14:13:31] <khazakar> s/tan/than
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2560[14:48:37] <PewDiePieOne> Is anyone here ?
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2563[14:49:58] <PewDiePieOne> anyone ever tryed to use internet over bluetooth tethering with android phone ?
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2566[14:50:57] <PewDiePieOne> I trying to get it working and I can't
2567[14:51:25] <khazakar> I tried :P
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2569[14:52:57] <nick2nick> I tried some settings with modprobe and now the boot sequence hangs. I tried disabling them in grub but its not working
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2571[14:53:23] <PewDiePieOne> I got PC and phone paired, then I run bluetoothd, then Pandora and it created interface bnep0, what now ?
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2573[14:54:01] <PewDiePieOne> S/Pandora/pand
2574[14:55:47] <khazakar> Aren't you using network manager?
2575[14:55:55] <khazakar> or you're doing it on server?
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2577[14:56:25] <babilen> PewDiePieOne: I just connect to a wireless network I tether from my mobile ... no need to toy with bluetooth then
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2579[14:57:09] <teraflops> nick2nick: what did you tried? And what did you do for that settings being persistent?
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2582[14:57:45] <PewDiePieOne> khazakar: no I use only console
2583[14:58:25] <nick2nick> teraflops: I think I enabled enable_fbc=1 in a /etc/modprobe.d/
2584[14:59:44] <nick2nick> or some other setting, not sure
2585[14:59:59] <teraflops> Nick2nick then delete that file /Etc/moderate.d/thefileyoucreated and reboot
2586[15:00:19] <nick2nick> I can't make it a console
2587[15:00:25] <nick2nick> to*
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2589[15:01:01] <teraflops> nick2nick: sorry is this ducking phone
2590[15:01:43] <nick2nick> teraflops: huh?
2591[15:01:55] <teraflops> nick2nick: boot with the debian iso in rescue mode
2592[15:01:57] <nick2nick> teraflops: my irc session? yes
2593[15:02:37] <teraflops> nick2nick: nah my typos I'm on the phone
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2601[15:05:48] <shibly> Is it possible to install gnome-core on virtualbox on windows?
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2605[15:08:51] <nick2nick> teraflops: 😄
2606[15:09:07] <nick2nick> teraflops: I did a type in my .conf
2607[15:09:22] <nick2nick> teraflops: fixed 😆
2608[15:09:35] <nick2nick> typo*
2609[15:09:37] <teraflops> nick2nick: heh
2610[15:09:57] <nick2nick> thanks teraflops
2611[15:10:08] <teraflops> Np
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2615[15:11:14] <teraflops> shibly: I'm not sure what are you asking. What's the real problem?
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2621[15:13:47] <shibly> teraflops, Installing gnome on virtualbox
2622[15:14:07] <teraflops> And?
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2624[15:14:15] <shibly> teraflops, Debian with gnome on virtualbox
2625[15:14:31] <teraflops> Heh OK. What's the problem?
2626[15:14:37] <shibly> teraflops, Is it possible to install gnome on virtualbox?
2627[15:14:41] <teraflops> Sure
2628[15:15:20] <shibly> I've selected desktop-environment and utility-programs during installation,but it looked gnome was not installed
2629[15:15:30] <shibly> I got only console based terminal
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2633[15:16:18] <teraflops> shibly: maybe your video drivers are not fine for gnome. Or you missed some vbox specifics
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2635[15:16:53] <teraflops> Guest additions or whatever I don't do vbox
2636[15:17:54] <shibly> But if i installed debian in a separate partition then would i be able to get gnome?
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2638[15:18:01] <shibly> With the same video driver
2639[15:18:24] <shibly> Video driver should not be a problem
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2648[15:22:42] <teraflops> shibly: you mean real installation just in another partition?
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2662[15:30:40] <Cloudwalker42> hey can someone explain me how to merge two paritions on runtime? I have much allocated space on a live system (sdb) and want to add it to the rootfs (sda). Is this even possible with existent data on the rootfs ?
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2668[15:31:33] <mistnim> hello, is there a way to close a bug I've sent?
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2670[15:32:52] <Rico> hello
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2672[15:33:23] <Rico> I have a problem with apache2 and /usr/share/javascript/. i've checked apache2 config, and I have the alias /javascript redirecting to /usr/share/javascript/
2673[15:33:30] <Rico> but it still does not work
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2684[15:39:01] <de-facto> is something like 328988 rss normal memory usage for clamav?
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2690[15:42:39] <de-facto> im still trying to find out why debian spends so much time in i/o wait (wa in top). Are there any methods to investigate that further?
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2693[15:44:39] <de-facto> my vps was moved to another node, i defragmented the virtual hdd from the host systems view, its a bit faster now but still got high peaks in i/o wait time
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2697[15:45:56] <vegardx> Impossible to say, as that is dependent on a million factors.
2698[15:46:12] <vegardx> But if you are IO-strapped go get something not based on technology from the 60s.
2699[15:46:18] <vegardx> (hint: SSDs)
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2705[15:48:32] <backportus> deb replaced-url
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2707[15:48:39] <backportus> why doesn't this work? 404 on apt-get update :O :O
2708[15:48:45] <backportus> yes, I asked yesterday, too
2709[15:48:46] <jordanm> de-facto: you are probably sharing IO with many other customers
2710[15:48:49] <backportus> sorry for my ephemeral nickname
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2712[15:50:02] <vegardx> backportus: Because it only contains oldoldstable (squeeze)
2713[15:50:31] <de-facto> jordanm yes but it was moved to another node now (with less load, so they said). I cant see the other vps on my host, but i was asking myself what i could to from within debian (guest) to make it faster, do you have any ideas where i could try to tune?
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2715[15:51:50] <da3m0n22> hey all, Icedove (Thunderbird) is running awfully slow on my machine, I have 4 physical CPUs, and it seems like, it's using only one of them, but to the fullest (100%), is there any tweaking available on machines, where there is enough cpu/memory available?
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2720[15:52:52] <da3m0n22> seems strange to me, that on new ssd (on sata 6.0), with 16GB+ ram and 4 xeon cores (8 in HT) is icedove unable to run smoothly, with only 5 imap accounts connected (searching and refresh rate is slow, opening email as well)
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2724[15:53:32] <da3m0n22> backportus: because there is no wheezy-backports folder in here: replaced-url
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2731[15:56:22] <vegardx> You have to look at the backports documentation to find a list of available mirrors.
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2738[15:58:25] <jordanm> de-facto: that means they oversell everywhere, not just on your previous node
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2747[15:59:07] <jordanm> de-facto: AWS gp2 volumes have dedicated IOPs
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2753[16:00:01] <vegardx> Or just go bare metal somewhere, like online.net.
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2756[16:01:16] <de-facto> jordanm i mean its very much better on the new node but still got some peaks in i/o wait. Except for avoiding running in to swap, is there really nothing i could do about it on client/guest/debian side ?
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2763[16:02:11] <backportus> da3m0n22: where can I get them instead? these?
2764[16:02:15] <backportus> backports
2765[16:02:16] <backportus> for wheezy
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2767[16:02:19] <jordanm> de-facto: if it's openvz or some kind of container system, then no, nothing at all since you can't adjust kernel params
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2769[16:03:06] <jordanm> de-facto: if it's not, you can try adjusting things like the I/O scheduler, but that's unlikely to have any kind of large impact. you can't make the disks go faster
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2771[16:03:21] <de-facto> its kvm
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2775[16:04:47] <de-facto> i have "full" control over the hdd's content (debian jessie), but almost no control over the host system of course
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2780[16:05:18] <backportus> anyone? :O
2781[16:05:47] <vegardx> If you are running into swap you are over committing memory to things, simple as that.
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2784[16:06:01] <vegardx> backportus: I told you earlier. Look at the documentation.
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2787[16:06:52] <vegardx> This makes me believe they are doing something massive: replaced-url
2788[16:07:20] <TomTomTosch> backportus: you google "debian mirror list", stumble upon this site: replaced-url
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2797[16:10:52] <TomTomTosch> backportus: you can switch your mirror by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and doing an 'apt-get update' afterwards.
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2803[16:16:20] <pointless> hi?
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2807[16:16:47] <TomTomTosch> yes.
2808[16:17:04] <pointless> can somebody here help with getting up an internet web radio station interface server?
2809[16:17:21] <pointless> can somebody here help with getting up a streaming service for web cam?
2810[16:17:29] <pointless> can somebody here help me?
2811[16:17:37] <pointless> ?
2812[16:17:38] <pointless> .
2813[16:17:40] <pointless> =
2814[16:17:41] <vegardx> Sounds pretty pointless.
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2816[16:18:00] <pointless> not pointless at all
2817[16:18:19] <TomTomTosch> pointless: if you stop spamming and explain what you want exactly, maybe.
2818[16:18:28] <pointless> I just said
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2820[16:18:46] <pointless> I just said exactly
2821[16:18:47] <TomTomTosch> wtf is an internet web radio station interface server?
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2823[16:18:57] <pointless> yuo dunno even taht?
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2825[16:19:13] <pointless> it is used to stream web radio
2826[16:19:16] <TomTomTosch> greate. to the ignore list!
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2828[16:19:25] <pointless> I can do taht myself
2829[16:19:29] <pointless> but
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2831[16:19:34] <vegardx> That's like telling your carpenter that you want "one house".
2832[16:19:37] <pointless> I need help with a better service
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2834[16:19:44] <jmcnaught> pointless: are you asking what software to use?
2835[16:19:50] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell pointless about enter
2836[16:20:06] <pointless> vegardx: you are a carpenter, IØ thought you was a coder ... bad me.
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2838[16:20:13] <pointless> jmcnaught: no
2839[16:20:22] <pointless> jmcnaught: I need a video cam server
2840[16:20:27] <pointless> jmcnaught: I need a video cam streaming server
2841[16:20:37] <pointless> I have no money now
2842[16:20:37] <vegardx> What is a video cam?
2843[16:20:40] <vegardx> Hahaha
2844[16:20:43] <vegardx> We got trolled.
2845[16:20:47] <pointless> jerk
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2847[16:20:56] <vegardx> God damn it. I have to go get a cup of something to drink.
2848[16:21:01] <pointless> err
2849[16:21:05] <pointless> I meant a web cam¨
2850[16:21:08] <pointless> of course
2851[16:21:10] <pointless> sorry
2852[16:21:15] <pointless> bbl
2853[16:21:28] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell pointless about smart questions
2854[16:21:54] <jmcnaught> pointless: please review the messages from dpkg and maybe check out replaced-url
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2860[16:24:14] <pointless> jmcnaught: smart info; I invite #debian to frame Norwegian Police
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2864[16:24:41] <pointless> I am gonna have my web cam recording 24/7 from my house
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2866[16:24:53] <pointless> and broadcast it live on the internet
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2874[16:26:53] <navlelo_> pointless: why?
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2876[16:27:47] <jmcnaught> pointless: being muted is no reason to start private messaging me
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2882[16:32:08] <ghormoon> hi, should be wc -c and wc -m different for utf8 and utf16? or is utf16 char counted as two even for -m?
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2891[16:34:58] <Cloudwalker42> ?
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2893[16:35:39] <ghormoon> I've been doing some filtering and got quite scared that after filtering out 10% of data, the file has about 40% original size, but it's utf8 instead of original utf16
2894[16:35:57] <ghormoon> but both wc -c and wc -m give me the high count on the original file
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2902[16:38:17] <kriskropd> does anyone know why this happens? I have an apache2 config with a self signed certificate set to expire in the year 2025 - it's been working just fine for the past year or so, but now suddenly it's producing this error in browser "ssl_error_rx_record_too_long"
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2904[16:39:06] <ghormoon> did you touch the config? I had this yesterday when I've forgot to turn on ssl for the 443 port in ngnix :)
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2909[16:41:22] <bezaban> yeah, does openssl s_client -connect host:443 return a certificate?
2910[16:41:51] <bezaban> I've had that one too, but can't remember the specifics
2911[16:42:11] <bezaban> possibly messed up rewriterule too iirc
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2936[16:53:59] <kriskropd> I havent touched the configs
2937[16:54:06] <kriskropd> it just started happening
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2940[16:54:22] <kriskropd> im not using port 443 on this though - I'm using a custom port
2941[16:54:45] <queso> So Iceweasel was replaced by Firefox, which is fine. But the scroll bars are no longer gnome-2 style (I use xfce) and now they're gnome-3 style. There are no up and down arrows. And when I click on the open area of the scroll bar, instead of going one page at a time it jumps to the clicked spot. This makes navigating large pages impossible without a scroll wheel.
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2943[16:55:11] <greycat> Sounds like a post-stable thing.
2944[16:55:12] <queso> Suggestions on what I should do?
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2947[16:55:35] <queso> (I'm using Firefox release through backports)
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2951[16:56:46] <jmcnaught> queso: can you use the pgup and pgdn keys? arrow keys? space bar for next page?
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2953[16:57:45] <kriskropd> queso: firefox has options for controlling those features you said - I can't really help you find them atm though - if you can't find in google, maybe ask on #firefox in irc.mozilla.net
2954[16:57:55] <greycat> Failing all that, ask a firefox channel how to change the scroll bars. Maybe there's an about:config setting.
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2958[16:59:40] <queso> jmcnaught: I could, but it'd be nice if I could use my mouse as I was using it before. :)
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2961[16:59:54] <queso> This might do the trick: replaced-url
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2963[17:00:16] <queso> Sorry, should have googled first. Though, I've tried googling before and had a hard time finding anything.
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2967[17:01:12] <queso> Thanks for the help, all.
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2983[17:05:58] <lss9> replaced-url
2984[17:06:09] <lss9> why do they suggest to prevent public access to the db and conf folder?
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2986[17:08:02] <queso> Incidentally, that link I posted above worked. And this worked for getting the arrow buttons back to the scrollbars: replaced-url
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2989[17:09:14] <Tazmain> hi all, if I start tomcat7 with service tomcat7 start , will it call the setenv.sh file ?
2990[17:10:24] <themill> lss9: mostly because there's nothing in there that anyone should be looking at
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3032[17:27:55] <mx_> hi
3033[17:28:00] <stoned> hi
3034[17:28:14] <mx_> what is the best backup tool for debian
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3037[17:28:32] <greycat> It's not a one-size-fits-all thing.
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3039[17:29:02] <stoned> baccula? rsync?
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3041[17:29:10] <mx_> for personal use
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3043[17:29:13] <stoned> Hey greycat
3044[17:29:14] <stoned> o/
3045[17:29:21] <greycat> Depends most importantly on *what* you are writing to.
3046[17:29:33] <stoned> From Baccula to rsync... and everything in between
3047[17:29:41] <greycat> Tapes? Floppies? CD-R? USB thumb drive? Stone tablets?
3048[17:29:49] <roger_du_31> rsync -> do not activete the delete option
3049[17:29:58] <stoned> mx_, what is your backup medium?
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3052[17:30:10] <mx_> usb hard drive
3053[17:30:15] <greycat> Then you want rsync.
3054[17:30:19] <stoned> rysnc
3055[17:30:21] <stoned> yeah
3056[17:30:36] <stoned> USB hdd are not really a good medium for backup
3057[17:30:49] <stoned> they are in motion, and they are portable, hence they take more risk factors
3058[17:31:02] <jelly> mx_: also, don't reinvent scripts or corn jobs, use an existing rsync wrapper like dirvish or rsnapshot
3059[17:31:09] <stoned> Unless you want to use it only as a backup and not move it around from place to place.
3060[17:31:12] <jelly> don't reinvent cron jobs either.
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3062[17:32:10] <mx_> are rsync is reliable?
3063[17:32:16] <stoned> replaced-url
3064[17:32:19] <stoned> This is realiable.
3065[17:32:25] <stoned> Free 15gb google storage, iirc.
3066[17:32:31] <greycat> It copies files. It is as reliable as the medium to which you copy the files.
3067[17:32:32] <stoned> Another option you might consider.
3068[17:32:36] <backportus> vegardx: sorry for my ignorance - I use a scm (puppet) - hence it generates a wrong sources list file due to other reasons
3069[17:32:47] <stoned> FuseFS for google drive and you can save there.
3070[17:32:51] <jelly> crashplan I'd call reliable; some random script from github...? eh
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3072[17:33:13] <stoned> it's written in ocaml. Interesting
3073[17:33:15] * greycat does not consider "storage space rented from a company that may or may not be in business 10 years from now" to be a real backup.
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3076[17:33:39] <stoned> I think Google will be around
3077[17:34:25] <backportus> vegardx: right, the list is empty :O replaced-url
3078[17:34:30] <backportus> vegardx: any alternative for it?
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3080[17:35:03] <mx_> as a result i use rsnapshot
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3082[17:35:47] <mx_> or baccula
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3086[17:36:12] <stoned> replaced-url
3087[17:36:16] <stoned> Oh whopos
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3089[17:36:22] <themill> backportus: you've got the wrong URL for wheezy-backports entirely. replaced-url
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3108[17:43:37] <sgfltx> what's the recommended way to get rid of the dependency/suggestion for exim4/some sort of system mail program? is there a nullmailer that is *actually* a nullmailer (i.e. just swallows everything)?
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3110[17:44:17] <mx_> is baccula for personal use is enough?
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3121[17:48:27] <de-facto> is there any reason why debian 7 would run way faster than debian 8 on a kvm vps (i have two of those, so i different hosts)?
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3143[17:59:51] <de-facto> the jessie guest is really slow: time sh -c "dd if=ddfile of=/dev/zero bs=8k count=250000 && sync" yields ~18 MB/s and ~75MB/s write. on the wheezy guest its more like 100 MB/s read and 250 MB/s write
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3147[18:00:12] <de-facto> i get the feeling something is really wrong with the jessie guest somehow
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3151[18:01:46] <de-facto> can this be debian related or is that just the host system difference?
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3154[18:02:57] <de-facto> jessie peaks into 99% i/o wait but wheezy just into like 50-70%
3155[18:03:29] <jelly> de-facto: are you testing for something specific with that low a bs= ?
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3157[18:03:40] <MaBunny> how did you check the i-o rate de-facto???
3158[18:04:04] <greycat> of=/dev/zero? really?
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3162[18:04:36] <jelly> ha
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3164[18:04:52] <de-facto> greycat just for a quick comparison of the two systems
3165[18:05:12] <greycat> *writing* to /dev/zero?
3166[18:05:16] <jelly> de-facto: should we assume you actually wrote to /dev/null, and you actually read from /dv/zero, instead?
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3169[18:05:41] <greycat> I think he intended to do if=/dev/zero of=ddfile
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3175[18:07:45] <jelly> greycat: well, it appears my /dev/zero accepts write()s anyway
3176[18:07:48] <de-facto> yeah sorry i read from dev zero and write to file, then read from file and write to null
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3179[18:09:08] <de-facto> MaBunny i just observe system load in top while i "dd" in another terminal
3180[18:09:33] <jelly> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/zero bs=8k count=200 ... [...]200+0 records out
3181[18:09:43] <jelly> TIL
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3183[18:10:39] <greycat> jelly: I actually knew that, sorta, from having read "man zero" before.
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3186[18:10:47] <greycat> jelly: but it was obviously not what he wanted to say
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3188[18:11:08] <MaBunny> i mean how...i use system monitor to check the ram usage...but i did like more of a process hacker like thing in windows if possible
3189[18:11:08] <de-facto> so what could cause that difference between jessie and wheezy (apart from the kvm host)?
3190[18:12:12] <jelly> de-facto: any number of things, starting from a difference in storage engine and VM config
3191[18:12:26] <jelly> s/storage engine/storage backend/
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3193[18:13:11] <de-facto> yeah but i mean what differences could cause that in the guest (apart from anything host/backend related)?
3194[18:14:08] <jelly> dunno, boot the same kernel on both at least.
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3197[18:15:02] <tuxopenwrt> jmcnaught: I have a new installation but i screwed up partitions by choosing different partitions for /home, /var. etc i think. I was installing a software and seems everthing went into / instead of /home.. (replaced-url
3198[18:15:19] <jelly> de-facto: if it's not the same host and storage, I'd first try to make them the same then look at the guest
3199[18:15:23] <tuxopenwrt> please suggest the easiest way to get around
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3205[18:17:37] <de-facto> jelly can it be the scheduler maybe (cat /sys/block/vda/queue/scheduler): on jessie i have "none" but on wheezy i have "noop deadline [cfq]"
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3217[18:23:51] <de-facto> how do i change the scheduler on jessie?
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3220[18:25:08] <de-facto> just echoing it into /sys/block/vda/queue/scheduler does not have any effect
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3227[18:30:03] <de-facto> does jessie support schedulers?
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3235[18:34:09] <jxcl> any eta on the openssl patch to hit the jesse repos?
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3260[18:43:58] <backporty> hi again
3261[18:44:04] <backporty> well, thank you for your help, it works now
3262[18:44:34] <backporty> and I learned that backport mirrors got no country specific subdomain, so it has to be ftp.debian.org, not ftp.de(or whatever).debian.org .
3263[18:44:46] <backporty> probably because backports are smaller and/or less numerous
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3271[18:48:09] <debby_> some strange thing happened, probably some bug in web irc client or spam
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3273[18:48:17] <debby_> suddenly lots of tabs popped up in my irc client :O
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3275[18:48:20] <debby_> hm
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3278[18:48:52] <MaBunny> hey guys im back
3279[18:49:10] <MaBunny> so im trying to update and install make on my computer
3280[18:49:48] <MaBunny> but the server from which im getting(or got b4) my updates isnt working or idk
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3283[18:50:23] <MaBunny> it gives the following message: "99% [2 InRelease gpgv 244 B] [Connecting to ftp.uk.debian.org (78.129.164.123)]Splitting up /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_jessie_InRIgn replaced-url
3284[18:50:24] <MaBunny> W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: replaced-url
3285[18:50:31] <jhutchins> debby_: That's often seen If you hit certain kinds of malware sites.
3286[18:50:32] <MaBunny> opps srry guys
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3290[18:50:56] <debby_> jhutchins: scary :O
3291[18:51:02] <debby_> jhutchins: I got antivirus and latest chrome - but still
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3294[18:51:28] <petn-randall> debby_: Are you running Debian on that machine?
3295[18:51:31] <jhutchins> debby_: Anything unusual in the tabs?
3296[18:51:41] <teraflops> petn-randall: i dont think so
3297[18:52:01] <debby_> jhutchins, petn-randall: with tabs I mean the tabs in the freenode irc client (it also got tabs for channels and such)
3298[18:52:10] <debby_> suddenly some strange spam-like works appear in new tabs
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3300[18:52:15] <debby_> I restarted the irc cient (reloading the page)
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3303[18:52:34] <MaBunny> it might be random users
3304[18:52:39] <jhutchins> MaBunny: Sound like the server might have a temporary problem. You could try a different one.
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3306[18:53:02] <MaBunny> ok...but where do i get the server lists???
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3308[18:53:16] <jhutchins> !mirrors
3309[18:53:17] <dpkg> Debian mirror sites are listed at replaced-url
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3311[18:53:21] <jhutchins> MaBunny: replaced-url
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3313[18:53:38] <MaBunny> ok...well i forgot tht
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3323[18:58:11] <MaBunny> who the fuck is hospitably???
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3344[19:05:59] <MaBunny> guys i was ust dossed
3345[19:06:50] <MaBunny> i mean to say tht multiple users just tried to send me some text files in this network
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3350[19:08:15] <greycat> People offering you stuff can be spam, but doesn't sound like a denial of service attack.
3351[19:08:36] <greycat> If you're being privately spammed, you can complain in #freenode.
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3353[19:08:48] <MaBunny> ok
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3356[19:09:18] <MaBunny> but it was more of ppl sending me stuff with no registered names
3357[19:09:41] <greycat> Of course they are probably clever enough not to on-join spam me.
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3359[19:09:54] <MaBunny> haha
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3367[19:11:32] <Guest1> Any particular idea why upgrading a computer to kernel 4.x from Debian backports causes it to hang at boot? Just a black screen with a blinking cursor that bounces from one side of the screen to the other. Same computer boots fine with the kernel currently in "stable". Just curious.
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3370[19:12:07] <greycat> File a bug report against the non-working kernel.
3371[19:12:51] <Guest1> Will do, same kernel works fine on other machines, but this is the only 32 bit only machine I've seen in a while.
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3373[19:13:46] <jhutchins> 0000
3374[19:14:24] <buu> guys
3375[19:14:34] <buu> How do I cancel a systemd start job during boot
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3377[19:14:46] <dex|wrk> chkconfig ?
3378[19:14:57] <greycat> If you mean "upon future boots", you want systemctl disable service.name
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3380[19:15:16] <greycat> If you mean "from the GRUB prompt, for this one time" then it's a bit trickier.
3381[19:15:42] <buu> I mean it's currently saying "a start job is running ... (17 min / no limit)
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3383[19:15:48] <buu> And I'd really like it to die
3384[19:16:09] <greycat> Is it "start my network"?
3385[19:16:15] <buu> no, load zfs pool
3386[19:16:41] <greycat> You'll probably have to disable it at the GRUB prompt, after rebooting (soft or hard).
3387[19:16:52] <buu> What magic is involved there?
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3390[19:18:01] <jmcnaught> tuxopenwrt: hey. honestly i would consider redoing it and choosing "all in one partition" this time. Debian does not install software to /home. you could spend some time moving things around, but it's probably quicker and more straightforward just to start over
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3397[19:19:59] <jmcnaught> tuxopenwrt: i wouldn't even bother with separate /home to be honest, just use the guided partitioning - all in one unless you have a special reason to need separate volumes. or consider using the guided partitioning with LVM option if you want some flexibility
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3402[19:20:59] <MaBunny> guys should i comment the previous mirrorslist tht ive in the sources.list??
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3406[19:22:15] <Guest1> I do what jmcnaught does. If you want to keep your home contents as a whole, just do "cp -Rf $HOME /your/backup/location" then restore it over top of your new home if you have to reformat.
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3409[19:23:11] * greycat uses a separate /home
3410[19:23:13] <de-facto> how can i set an i/o scheduler on debian jessie?
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3416[19:25:23] <lumidee> what do you do if you want to install newer software on debian stable, but there are no backports or other repos for it?
3417[19:25:33] <lumidee> just compile yourself and hope you dont break things? ^
3418[19:25:43] <markybob> !tell lumidee about ssb
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3424[19:26:26] <greycat> buu: well, couldn't find that on the web... if you can't find it either, then maybe what you need to do instead is to enable the systemd emergency console. Then maybe you can use that while the system is still booting. Or, maybe you need to boot from rescue media and disable that zfs thing altogether.
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3431[19:28:30] <greycat> lumidee: depends on the package, for me. Sometimes the ssb process is OK, sometimes it's easier just to build upstream source in /usr/local and forego the packaaging.
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3438[19:31:13] <MaBunny> guys its still not working
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3440[19:31:43] <MaBunny> heres wht i get: "W: An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: replaced-url
3441[19:31:45] <MaBunny> E: GPG error: replaced-url
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3443[19:32:52] <lumidee> markybob, greycat good to know, thanks. so ssb process basically uses sid's repo and tries to get around dep issues by using `aptitude build-dep`
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3445[19:33:36] <greycat> ssb uses sid's *source* packages, and attempts to compile them using your stable (or testing) libraries. Not always successfully, as sometimes you need more and more and more and more and more and more fucking libraries.
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3455[19:35:52] <greycat> And then sometimes you get to the point where you need a utility that doesn't exist in (old)stable, and that utility isn't actually part of a -dev package but is instead part of the dpkg package. Not making this up. Can't make this up.
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3460[19:37:09] <lumidee> well, that's not bad, so build-dep is clever enough to configure the packages against testing's libs
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3473[19:38:44] <MaBunny> i tried the uk server b4,now the denmark one
3474[19:38:56] <MaBunny> both didnt work
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3478[19:39:51] <MaBunny> any help guys???
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3480[19:40:16] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: the error you're getting is for security.debian.org so changing the other mirrors won't help
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3482[19:40:27] <jmcnaught> !which security.debian.org
3483[19:40:27] <dpkg> The security.debian.org servers use GeoDNS to select a close mirror to you. To work out which mirror: curl -o /dev/null -s -w '%{remote_ip}\n' replaced-url
3484[19:40:29] <MaBunny> ok
3485[19:40:43] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: try that ^^
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3489[19:41:03] <MaBunny> ok thnx jmcnaught :)
3490[19:41:07] <lumidee> greycat, could you also use testings repo instead of sids repo if you find your package already there
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3492[19:41:31] <greycat> Yes, you can do a "simple testing backport" too. Same process, just using testing deb-src lines instead of unstable deb-src lines.
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3495[19:41:54] <greycat> **DO NOT** try to install a binary .deb from testing on stable, though.
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3499[19:43:50] <MaBunny> so...the terminal says i dont hav curl :(
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3501[19:44:08] <MaBunny> is it down temporarily?
3502[19:44:13] <greycat> do you have wget?
3503[19:44:22] <MaBunny> i can wait till tomorrow
3504[19:44:24] <MaBunny> yeah i guess
3505[19:44:36] <MaBunny> yeah i hav
3506[19:44:36] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: it's working for me, but i probably get a different mirror than you for security.d.o
3507[19:44:43] <greycat> Oh. Damn it. It's THROWING AWAY the retrieved data, and just using curl's status display. So wget won't work as a substitute.
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3510[19:45:27] <MaBunny> ok...but i can wait till tomorrow if its down temporarily :)
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3513[19:46:10] <lumidee> greycat, thanks for clarifying. with ssb i might go for debian 8 then instead of testing
3514[19:46:17] <greycat> I only get a warning (W:) about no public key for some hex number.
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3519[19:47:43] <MaBunny> ok...i will try tomorrow
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3522[19:48:24] <gnat_x_> i'm trying to add routes to a custom table via the network interfaces file, using post-up. however, nothing ever seems to ever populate the table.
3523[19:48:27] <gnat_x_> replaced-url
3524[19:48:34] <gnat_x_> that's an example of the thing i'm trying.
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3527[19:48:50] <gnat_x_> those route commands work when i run them manually
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3532[19:49:42] <gnat_x_> is that not the place to do that? should i be running that in a script somewhere?
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3534[19:50:17] <gnat_x_> a lot of what i'm reading on the internet suggests that what i'm trying to do should work.
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3539[19:51:50] <dfcnvt> Can someone give me a quick confirmation whether there's a problem with fonts on my browser side, their server side, or my computer side? replaced-url
3540[19:51:58] <dfcnvt> replaced-url
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3542[19:52:19] <dfcnvt> Please check the link and look at the summary for fonts. Are you seeing the same as the image above?
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3550[19:53:53] <roycroft> hello, folks
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3552[19:54:43] <roycroft> is there a system-wide setting that would have utilities default to using vi instead of pico or whatever that curse-sbased editor is, without my having to set the EDITOR envirotnmental variable for every user?
3553[19:54:53] <roycroft> i'm using mostly jessie
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3555[19:55:03] <roycroft> and that's environment
3556[19:55:08] <roycroft> i can't spell/type :)
3557[19:55:48] <lumidee> greycat, what do you do if at a later point debian stable has the package you want, would you remove the compiled apt-get package from sid/testing and install new from stable repos
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3559[19:55:58] <jmcnaught> roycroft: there's the alternatives system. "update-alternatives --display editor" to see the options
3560[19:56:16] <dfcnvt> roycroft, I can't last remember if vim were already installed along with the current version but if you can't use vim as we speak then you can simply 'sudo apt-get install vim' to get one.
3561[19:56:18] <roycroft> thanks!
3562[19:56:31] <roycroft> vi(m) is installed with the base system
3563[19:57:21] <greycat> one of the flavors of it, anyway
3564[19:57:24] <TomTomTo1> only the fake vi :3
3565[19:57:37] <roycroft> and yes, update-alternatives looks like it will do fine
3566[19:57:48] <module000> roycroft: update-alternatives --config editor
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3568[19:58:01] <roycroft> nvi would be best, but linux folks are not fond of bsd licenses, so i understand why nvi is not there
3569[19:58:18] <greycat> ,v nvi
3570[19:58:19] <judd> Package: nvi on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.81.6-8.1; wheezy: 1.81.6-8.2; jessie: 1.81.6-11+b1; sid: 1.81.6-12; stretch: 1.81.6-12
3571[19:58:30] <roycroft> oh, it can be there
3572[19:58:32] <roycroft> brilliant
3573[19:58:33] <dfcnvt> Alright cool. Can someone here do me a favor. Check both links and get back to me if you see the same fonts issue or if they're separate. Not sure if I have fonts issue.
3574[19:58:36] <dfcnvt> r_luke_dubois_insightful_human_portraits_made_from_data
3575[19:58:39] <dfcnvt> replaced-url
3576[19:58:43] <dfcnvt> Please compare them.
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3579[19:59:22] <dfcnvt> Doh, that was halve link -- here's a full link: replaced-url
3580[19:59:30] <roycroft> excellent
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3583[19:59:43] <roycroft> and it even created the correct symlink so that /usr/bin/vi links to /usr/bin/nvi
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3585[20:00:13] <omar_> hi someone here are using xfce??
3586[20:00:33] <omar_> what is the name of the default file manager of xfce??
3587[20:00:37] <roycroft> life with linux just got a *WHOLE* lot better
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3589[20:00:42] <markybob> thunar
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3594[20:01:30] <gnat_x> omar_: thunar
3595[20:01:35] <omar_> markybob: thanks
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3597[20:02:06] <jaggz> how do I handle installing, with jessie-backports in my sources, when a 3rd party deb wants a package (mono-complete), but I'm getting a bunch of "not going to be installed" messages
3598[20:02:08] <roycroft> i have been using bsd since bill joy came up with the tape and loaded it on a vax at the uni back in 1979 or 80
3599[20:02:11] <jaggz> (on mono-complete's dependencies)
3600[20:02:14] <roycroft> i'm fairly new to linux, though
3601[20:02:15] <jaggz> including one like: mono-complete : Depends: mono-runtime (= 3.2.8+dfsg-10) but 3.10.0-0xamarin2 is to be installed
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3605[20:02:45] <omar_> another questions i just installed debian jessie right now xfce version what would be the next step for me??
3606[20:02:45] <markybob> jaggz: third party repos can't really be supported
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3609[20:03:04] <jaggz> not a 3rd party repo.. just a .deb
3610[20:03:09] <greycat> jaggz: Typically I would handle that by removing the third party repo and forsaking whatever it was I was trying to do.
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3612[20:03:11] <jaggz> or is backports considered 3rd party?
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3614[20:03:17] <gnat_x> omar_: start using the computer? (unless swomthing is broken)
3615[20:03:30] <greycat> Changing the question to try to trick us into supporting your 3rd party repo is a dick move.
3616[20:03:50] <jaggz> ?
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3618[20:04:11] <buu> I have a much more interesting question
3619[20:04:26] <greycat> It's the same as the guys who come here and ask for help with their Ubuntu (or other non-Debian) system, then when we call them on it, they repeat the exact same question but claim to be on Debian.
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3621[20:04:28] <omar_> gnat_x: i mean what configuration should i use or suggestions??
3622[20:04:31] <buu> Anyone have an idea how I could test if a pcie slot on a mobo was 'going bad'
3623[20:04:39] <jaggz> what change?
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3626[20:05:00] <greycat> 14:02 jaggz> how do I handle installing, with jessie-backports in my sources, when a 3rd party deb wants a package (mono-complete), but [...]
3627[20:05:04] <roycroft> thanks for the help though! :)
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3629[20:05:08] <greycat> 14:03 jaggz> not a 3rd party repo.. just a .deb
3630[20:05:12] <jaggz> right, 3rd party .deb
3631[20:05:15] <greycat> 14:03 jaggz> or is backports considered 3rd party?
3632[20:05:33] <jaggz> I'm a very consistent person
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3634[20:05:44] <dfcnvt> Can someone please look at the summary and compare the fonts between those two links: replaced-url
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3636[20:06:00] <greycat> Your .deb from a 3rd party repository is not supportable here. Even if that repository just has one package in it.
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3638[20:06:13] <jaggz> oh.. didn't know that. just downloaded it from their webpage
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3641[20:06:50] <gnat_x> omar_: that is pure taste, i have a set of settings that i've been using for the last 9 or so years, but those aren't for everyone. I would play around in the settings editor, and associated tools to create the kind of environment you want. or at least ses what's possible.
3642[20:06:59] <markybob> you need to dpkg --purge whatever crap you installed
3643[20:07:01] <jaggz> okay.. well I can compile their source too.. but it'll want mono-complete installed, and that's what I'm having the problem with
3644[20:07:17] <markybob> debian has mono-complete. you didn't have to go outside
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3646[20:08:00] <jaggz> it says I have held broken packages
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3648[20:08:11] <greycat> Remove all third-party crap, and then fix them.
3649[20:08:22] <greycat> ,v mono-complete
3650[20:08:23] <judd> Package: mono-complete on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.7-5.1; squeeze-security: 2.6.7-5.1; squeeze-security-lts: 2.6.7-5.1+deb6u2; wheezy: 2.10.8.1-8+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.10.8.1-8+deb7u1; jessie: 3.2.8+dfsg-10; stretch: 4.2.1.102+dfsg2-6; sid: 4.2.1.102+dfsg2-7
3651[20:08:31] <de-facto> does anyone have a clue if jessie kernels support schedulers? im spending a lot of time in i/o wait on jessie, not so much in wheezy though
3652[20:08:36] <markybob> i told you. dpkg --purge the crap
3653[20:08:40] <omar_> ok
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3655[20:08:43] <jaggz> replaced-url
3656[20:09:04] <markybob> i can't be any more clear
3657[20:09:08] <markybob> i give up
3658[20:09:26] <dfcnvt> Can someone please look at the summary and compare the fonts between those two links: replaced-url
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3660[20:09:37] <dfcnvt> I need to know if the fonts are the issues on Debian.
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3663[20:09:44] <jaggz> markybob, I'm looking for what to purge.. this package wasn't installed.. mono-complete is not installed
3664[20:09:50] <greycat> You're supposed to break into his system, tediously analyze the output of dpkg -l, figure out which packages he has installed from third-party repositories, and tell him what to purge.
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3667[20:10:16] <greycat> jaggz: WE DO NOT KNOW what the fuck you installed from non-Debian sources. YOU KNOW. So YOU know what to purge. We do not.
3668[20:10:49] <gnat_x> omar_: it also depends on your hardware and what you want to do with it. i tend to prefer speed and simplicity over opaque/transparent windows for example.
3669[20:11:27] <gnat_x> omar_: but again, you can turn window compositing on if that sort of thing is helpful to you.
3670[20:11:57] <omar_> gnat_x: what is window compositing on is??
3671[20:12:04] <dfcnvt> This is wearisome, nobody listening to me.
3672[20:12:06] <TomTomTo1> jaggz: a good idea would be to go into /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and clean that up. then you can search with "aptitude search '~o'" things that are no longer indexed should be listed.
3673[20:12:14] <module000> greycat: lies. if IRC has taught me one thing...it's that anyone in any #linuxchannel knows what you want before you ask, and has intimate knowledge of your system to tell you exactly what to type.
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3677[20:13:00] <gnat_x> omar_: Applications -> settings -> Window manager tweaks. Compositor tab
3678[20:13:07] <jaggz> TomTomTosch, thanks a lot :)
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3684[20:14:13] <omar_> gnat_x: ok look i trying to look for the xfce-system-monitor but i cant find it do you know where it is or it had another name
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3686[20:15:01] <TomTomTosch> jaggz: good luck. hope you get it working.
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3690[20:16:49] <jaggz> TomTomTosch, just a 3d printing host software
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3692[20:17:58] <gnat_x> omar_: not familiar with that tool, do you mean the task manager? (Applications -> System -> Task Manager)
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3695[20:19:55] <jaggz> TomTomTosch, got it working.. but with a bunch of wheezy mono packages.. oh well.. works for now.
3696[20:20:09] <tuxopenwrt> jmcnaught: okay!
3697[20:20:10] <TomTomTosch> oh god
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3699[20:20:34] <TomTomTosch> !tell jaggz about frankendebian
3700[20:20:58] <jaggz> it's one of those softwares that they prepare things for other platforms, and things like ubuntu, but not straight debian
3701[20:21:20] <jaggz> I can probably purge all that stuff too and get mono installed, then install their software from source
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3703[20:21:24] <jaggz> replaced-url
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3717[20:27:00] <omar_> gnat_x: i mean the tool where i can see the disk space and all the partition
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3736[20:32:14] <gnat_x> omar_: hrm. not sure of what the right graphical tool is. i tend to use "df -h" on the command line.
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3740[20:33:35] <gnat_x> omar_: also the properties option of a file or directory in Thunar will give you some idea of the file system that its in.
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3742[20:34:10] <gnat_x> omar_: so if you click on properties for a file in your home dir, and home is its own file system, you will see stats for that.
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3744[20:34:12] <jaggz> TomTomTosch, wow, I have a lot of packages listed in ~o
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3746[20:34:37] <defa> hi folks. seems i am affected by replaced-url
3747[20:34:38] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3752[20:35:18] <greycat> The consequence would be inability to automatically detect non-Debian operating systems on your boot disks.
3753[20:35:42] <omar_> gnat_x: alright df -h is just fine but i want to find that tool or maybe i have to install it
3754[20:36:11] <defa> greycat: thank you! that would be no issue for me, i was just a little concerned how much it would interfer with grub
3755[20:36:14] <jmcnaught> jaggz: this command might also be useful for you: aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?origin(debian)))'
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3757[20:36:54] * greycat blinks at the LISP with question marks
3758[20:37:06] <de-facto> dmesg| grep scheduler shows me that io scheduler {noop,deadline,cfq} are registered, so what BLACK MAGIC is required to activate those then? "echo "cfq" > /sys/block/vda/queue/scheduler ; cat /sys/block/vda/queue/scheduler" gives me "none" :-(
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3762[20:37:55] <jmcnaught> greycat: aptitude search '~S ~i !~Odebian' then :P
3763[20:37:59] <teraflops> defa: none. Just drop snippets in /Etc/grub.d/xxcustom.conf in you have custom entries
3764[20:38:08] <TomTomTosch> i can't get behind the aptitude search syntax x)
3765[20:38:15] <jaggz> jmcnaught, nice... it does list the debian-multimedia too.. how do I put an "and not origin()" in there for replaced-url
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3767[20:38:22] <greycat> They're both equally obtuse to me. I don't use aptitude.
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3769[20:38:32] <defa> teraflops: yup, thank you i went with "echo 'GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true' >> /etc/default/grub" for now
3770[20:38:46] <teraflops> de-facto: what type of vm is this?
3771[20:38:57] <jmcnaught> jaggz: personally i would get rid of debian-multimedia too
3772[20:38:59] <jaggz> you are a boolean of your own origins
3773[20:39:19] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell jaggz about remove dmm
3774[20:39:41] <jaggz> jmcnaught, I wonder if I can. I use various multimedia libs a lot.. ffmpeg.. maybe some blender coding might have used it (although I'm not sure about that)
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3776[20:40:06] <TomTomTosch> you can get that from backports too.
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3778[20:40:55] <jmcnaught> jaggz: your goal should be to never venture outside of the Debian repos. Sometimes it's necessary, but don't do it for stuff you can already get from Debian.
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3782[20:41:06] <de-facto> teraflops its a kvm guest
3783[20:41:06] <jaggz> definitely
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3785[20:41:49] <jmcnaught> jaggz: anyways replaced-url
3786[20:41:49] <teraflops> de-facto: ah
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3789[20:42:45] <teraflops> de-facto: with driver for the storage? VirtIO?
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3794[20:43:32] <teraflops> de-facto: or it's a physical disk?
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3797[20:43:54] <de-facto> teraflops i think its virtio (dev/vda) yes
3798[20:44:22] <gnat_x> omar_: totally forgot about something.
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3802[20:45:13] <gnat_x> omar_: there are a couple of applets for the panel.
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3804[20:45:51] <gnat_x> omar_: right click on panel, Panel > Add new items
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3806[20:46:17] <gnat_x> omar_: if you're not seeing it try installing xfce4-goodies
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3810[20:49:09] <de-facto> teraflops do i need to install some special drivers or such for managing a virtio device properly from within a jessie guest?
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3817[20:50:58] <teraflops> de-facto: I don't know if you can change the scheduler in there. My guess is you can't.
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3819[20:51:10] <jaggz> and how do I go from libfaac0, installed 1:1.28-dmo3 to the 1.28-6 found in debian official?
3820[20:51:21] <omar_> gnat_x: ok let take a look
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3824[20:52:15] <jmcnaught> jaggz: are you trying to follow the instructions from dpkg in the <remove dmm> factoid?
3825[20:52:19] <jaggz> perhaps I installed it by manually specifying it originally.. but if I remove it it wants to remove the dependencies.. so I guess I can install with a =
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3827[20:52:29] <jaggz> jmcnaught, yeah, nothing was listed (I'm not sure if that origin matched anything)
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3832[20:53:38] <jaggz> I resorted to using synaptic (perhaps the 2nd time I've ever used it) to see what was listed from the uwaterloo repo
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3834[20:53:47] <jaggz> and found libfaac0 and libfaac-dev were the only two listed
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3836[20:54:07] <jaggz> (but when trying to remove them, a ton of other softwares were depending on them I guess)
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3840[20:55:00] <omar_> gnat_x: why vlc crash when i try put see a video??
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3842[20:55:14] <jaggz> oh, now I see all those in synaptic too.. sigh
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3844[20:55:51] <de-facto> teraflops "echo "cfq" > /sys/block/vda/queue/scheduler ; cat /sys/block/vda/queue/scheduler" gives me "none"
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3846[20:56:30] <jmcnaught> jaggz: my advice is to try tweaking the aptitude search expression used in the <dmm remove> factoid until you get it listing the right packages, and then use that method with the tweaked aptitude search. seems like it's using dpkg to force the removal, and then running "apt-get install -f" to fix the missing dependencies (this time from official sources)
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3848[20:57:02] <teraflops> de-facto: that's not an ssd is just a virtual device
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3850[20:57:07] <gnat_x> omar_: there could be any number of reasons. have your tried multiple videoos or video types? does it give you an error when it crashes?
3851[20:57:32] <de-facto> teraflops well yeah but what if i *want* to change it? its not possible in jessie?
3852[20:57:55] <teraflops> In Jessie?
3853[20:58:09] <jaggz> jmcnaught, thanks
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3859[20:59:35] <de-facto> teraflops yes in jessie
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3862[21:00:42] <teraflops> de-facto: no idea if that's possible.
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3864[21:01:00] <omar_> gnat_x: no it just disapper
3865[21:01:28] <jaggz> jmcnaught, got that all working, up to the point of apt-get install -f, which complains: replaced-url
3866[21:01:34] <de-facto> teraflops for some reason my old wheezy got "cfq" and its pretty fast, jessie got "none" and its really slow
3867[21:01:38] <teraflops> de-facto: also no idea it that would affect performance (I guess no and No)
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3871[21:02:12] <teraflops> de-facto: asked to the vps provider?
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3876[21:03:23] <de-facto> teraflops yes they migrates my guest to another host, but its still slow on jessie (99% io wait), but when i boot wheezy its more like 50-70% io wait
3877[21:03:56] <jaggz> (that is, the dpkg help on getting away from deb multimedia.. its later instruction is to apt-get install -f too...)
3878[21:03:59] <de-facto> so i guess jessie is not suited for such a scenario anymore then :-(
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3880[21:05:01] <jaggz> (*potentially relevant note: I do have jessie-backports in my sources)
3881[21:05:08] <omar_> gnat_x: the version of vlc i have is 2.2.1 where can i get another version
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3886[21:05:52] <markybob_> omar_: that's all you get. it's not in backports or anything
3887[21:05:53] <jmcnaught> jaggz: see dpkg's <bat> factoid for the info we would need to help troubleshoot this
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3889[21:06:54] <omar_> markybob_: so is not possible to install the latest version of vlc???
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3891[21:08:00] <markybob_> omar_: not from debian. you can be silly and get it from their website and do it yourself but you won't get support in here for it
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3893[21:08:40] <jmcnaught> actually the VLC website recommends using the Debian repo version.. omar_ do you really think the 2.2.1 vs 2.2.3 is all that important?
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3897[21:09:43] <gnat_x> omar_: try opening it from the command line, that should give you a better idea of why it is crashing. also, what kind of video are you trying to play?
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3900[21:10:39] <omar_> markybob_: why download it from the website would be silly??
3901[21:10:54] <markybob_> omar_: doing stuff like that is how you break debian
3902[21:11:04] <markybob_> !tell omar_ about dontbreakdebian
3903[21:11:13] <markybob_> !tell omar_ about frankendebian
3904[21:11:32] <jmcnaught> omar_: the Debian way is to use the packages provided by Debian whenever possible, to benefit from integration and free security updates
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3912[21:15:51] <jaggz> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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3915[21:16:31] <jaggz> some months ago a bug in vlc was causing it to crash. a slightly higher version fixed that.
3916[21:16:41] <jaggz> (regarding the vlc version difference potentials)
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3920[21:17:34] <greycat> Speaking of "used to crash", my home computer has an uptime of 26 days now, after the Jessie kernel updates that reverted that USB thingy.
3921[21:17:42] <jaggz> I don't remember the details -- it was something I encountered and is possibly part of the reason I have this mess to clean up now too
3922[21:17:48] <markybob_> holy shit
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3924[21:17:55] <greycat> Before that, it never stayed up more than a week.
3925[21:17:58] <markybob_> jaggz: you mixed ubuntu trusty and debian jessie
3926[21:18:05] <markybob_> jaggz: and you wonder why it's broken?
3927[21:18:10] <jaggz> markybob_, wut
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3930[21:18:32] <TomTomTosch> jaggz: line 359 you have ubuntu repos included.
3931[21:18:35] <jaggz> that's probably something I did today when trying to get that mono crap working (they did that.. because they're ubuntu-ish)
3932[21:18:41] <jaggz> gross
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3936[21:19:06] <jaggz> no wait.. that's from some other install before.. man.. sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list
3937[21:19:09] <jmcnaught> jaggz: so you clearly still have some DMM packages like libavformat56, libavcodec53. also using that Ubuntu PPA was a bad choice.
3938[21:19:23] <jaggz> I hate frankendebian
3939[21:19:40] <jmcnaught> jaggz: stop creating monsters then :P
3940[21:19:40] <markybob_> so don't cause it :/
3941[21:19:40] <TomTomTosch> you made it. it's your child now :>
3942[21:20:01] <jaggz> you are better than public schools for frankenchildrens
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3945[21:20:26] <markybob_> consider reinstalling. who knows what damage you're done
3946[21:20:39] <markybob_> you've wasted enough time on this already. reinstall would've been done
3947[21:21:16] <omar_> markybob_: ok now i know
3948[21:21:43] <omar_> gnat_x: when i open vlc from the terminal it work properly
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