• 0[00:00:07] <de-facto> can i use systemctl without dbus somehow?
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• 2[00:01:21] <jmcnaught> crayon: if you're in gnome you can do Alt+F2 and run 'lg' (short for looking glass) to get a javascript console that has a windows tab
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• 5[00:04:52] <winsen> Hi all
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• 8[00:06:26] <winsen> can you please tell me how to fix the grub using 2 servers windoz and debian? thanks
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• 11[00:07:30] <simonlnu> de-facto: no
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• 14[00:07:59] <jmcnaught> winsen: you'll probably need to provide more information about what you're trying to do.
• 15[00:08:33] <de-facto> simonlnu is there any alternative to systemd in official debian yet?
• 16[00:08:37] <arahael> winsen: also, "windoz" doesn't exist. your spelling is a bit off.
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• 20[00:09:59] <jmcnaught> de-facto: sysvinit and upstart are both available, but if running ls is taking a long time you probably have an underlying problem. another init may or may not cope better with whatever that problem is, but the problem will still be there
• 21[00:10:07] <teraflops> winsen: also fix what? you didn't describe the issue
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• 25[00:10:51] <simonlnu> nsswitch, or networking, or...
• 26[00:11:26] <winsen> teraflos: I had probleme on grub (multiboot, winserv +debian) can you tell me how to fixit
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• 28[00:11:41] <teraflops> winsen: again what's the problem?
• 29[00:12:03] <simonlnu> !mindreaders
• 30[00:12:17] <winsen> teraflos: again my system is not working
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• 32[00:12:29] <jelly> !ask
• 33[00:12:29] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 35[00:12:37] <simonlnu> what. is. the. exact. problem?
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• 37[00:12:42] <teraflops> simonlnu: thanks heh
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• 39[00:12:55] <winsen> jelly: I did but it seems nobody wants to read
• 40[00:13:01] <teraflops> heh
• 41[00:13:06] <markybob> okay. /ignore
• 42[00:13:11] <teraflops> no wait
• 43[00:13:11] <fxms> Hi there! Anybody knows what's happening with the springseed repos/website?
• 44[00:13:16] <nebg> hello everyone... if i do "ifconfig" i see a network interface called veth... i used for lxc but i don't know which process/daemon starts that... how can i find out ?
• 45[00:13:20] <simonlnu> winsen: we read, you didn't explain enough.
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• 47[00:13:38] <jelly> winsen: maybe you did, but I can't find it in the last hour
• 48[00:13:50] * simonlnu doesn't see it either
• 49[00:13:54] <de-facto> jmcnaught do you think if i switched over to sysvinit i could still be able to manage services without relying on too much dependencies (if this is somehow dbus related)?
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• 52[00:14:31] <arahael> de-facto: i think the init system you use is completely unrelated to the performance of 'ls'.
• 53[00:15:05] <de-facto> arahael yes, but "ls" still works, systemctl wont
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• 55[00:15:10] <jmcnaught> de-facto: maybe, sysvinit does just manage a bunch of scripts, but i think you'll still have whatever the underlying problem is. did you try masking any of the services before you rebooted? You don't need dbus up to do that
• 56[00:15:19] <jelly> winsen: tyr more details, exact things you tried, exact output (camera shorts of the screen, if nothing else)
• 57[00:15:24] <simonlnu> i bet his dbus isn't starting properly, so everything dependent on it grinds to a halt.
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• 60[00:15:49] <winsen> I have problem with grub, should I reinstall grub from debian cd or...?
• 61[00:16:02] <esainane> What kind of problem with grub?
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• 63[00:16:10] <jmcnaught> de-facto: is journalctl working at all? can you find any clues in the syslog?
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• 66[00:16:37] <jmcnaught> winsen: what is the problem? saying you have a problem doesn't tell us what the problem is.
• 67[00:16:39] <jelly> winsen: you want to describe the "problem with grub". Does the menu appear at all? Can you edit the entries? Does booting an older kernel work?
• 68[00:16:58] <esainane> Does it drop you to a grub> command line? A grub (rescue)> command line? Do you see a menu at any point? "A problem with grub" is very vague
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• 70[00:17:06] <teraflops> winsen: did you install windows and then grub dissapeared?
• 71[00:17:22] <teraflops> heh this is crazy
• 72[00:17:36] <jelly> !doesn't work
• 73[00:17:36] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
• 74[00:17:49] <arahael> winsen: as an example, is the problem with grub something like: "Hi, i am using installed grub with debian jessie. this server also has windows installed, and it is booting windows by default. how can i get it to run linux by default?"
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• 77[00:18:28] <simonlnu> *plonk*
• 78[00:18:40] <arahael> blegh, i should proofread my grammar, but the example stands.
• 79[00:18:56] <winsen> teraflops: I installed debian at the end, but when I upgraded windows server on same machine I can't access to the Grub as I did before
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• 82[00:19:07] <crayon> how do i use apt to dist upgrade?
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• 84[00:19:46] <jmcnaught> crayon: what kind of upgrade are you trying to do?
• 85[00:19:54] <arahael> winsen:aha! did windows replace the boot loader? (Ie, you don't have grub anymore?)
• 86[00:20:00] <crayon> dist
• 87[00:20:12] <teraflops> winsen: ah, well
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• 89[00:20:36] <winsen> arahael: yes the problem has to do with Grub, after upgrading windoz server, I can't access to debian from Grub as use to do
• 90[00:20:36] <jmcnaught> crayon: as in... packages were held back when you did security updates?
• 91[00:20:43] <crayon> yes, sorry
• 92[00:20:52] <winsen> arahael: I think you're right, how to fix it?
• 93[00:21:17] <teraflops> winsen: boot the debian iso into rescue mode, click next next as in windows :P then pick the disk with debian once in the shell reinstall grub
• 94[00:21:24] <jmcnaught> crayon: "apt-get dist-upgrade". but if you're trying to do a major release upgrade that's something else
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• 97[00:21:33] <arahael> winsen: so it isn't that you have a problem with grub... but that grub no-longer exists. do what teraflops says.
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• 100[00:23:04] <crayon> jmcnaught, is there no way to do it via apt directly?
• 101[00:23:23] <winsen> arahael: i guess you mean since windoz system removed the Grub(boot loader), I have to reinstall grub from my debian cd... ?
• 102[00:23:43] <jmcnaught> crayon: "man apt" talks about a full-upgrade
• 103[00:23:45] <markybob> crayon: man apt. apt dist-upgrade does do the same thing as apt-get dist-upgrade
• 104[00:23:59] <winsen> teraflops: should I go right to the grub and reinstall it or I need to reinstall all the system?
• 105[00:24:58] <jmcnaught> winsen: you don't need to reinstall the full system. as teraflops says the installer cd has a rescue mode that lets you reinstall only grub
• 106[00:25:02] <de-facto> jmcnaught yes journalctl is working, disabled some units and try to reboot again
• 107[00:25:10] <crayon> thanks wish me luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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• 109[00:25:22] <jmcnaught> crayon: are you doing a major release upgrade?
• 110[00:25:28] <crayon> ya
• 111[00:25:33] <arahael> winsen: windows has a nasty habit of assuming that it is the only system in existence. it must have updated it's boot loader, overwriting (removing) grub in the process.
• 112[00:25:53] <jmcnaught> crayon: to what? you definitely shouldn't upgrade to testing or unstable if you needed to ask this kind of question
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• 114[00:26:13] <jmcnaught> crayon: if you're upgrading to jessie, you should follow the instructions in the release notes
• 115[00:26:33] <de-facto> weird that systemd cant even reboot a system i always manually have to invoke "/sbin/reboot -f"
• 116[00:26:53] <winsen> teraflops:Thanks, so I need tpo boot with my cd/dvd..on rescue mode and reinstall only grub.
• 117[00:27:00] <jmcnaught> crayon: when i asked if you were trying to upgrade packages held back during security updates you said yes...
• 118[00:27:34] <markybob> crayon: you really don't want to do this
• 119[00:27:45] <jmcnaught> de-facto: if journalctl is working, what does "journalctl -u dbus" say? any clues there?
• 120[00:28:01] <winsen> arahael: I guess, now all I have to do is to reinstall the grub without loosing anything right?
• 121[00:28:05] <markybob> crayon: and keep in mind if you listen and do it anyway, this channel will no longer be where you get support. you'll need to go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 122[00:28:06] <teraflops> winsen: yes!
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• 124[00:28:21] <winsen> teraflops: thanks
• 125[00:28:27] <teraflops> winsen: np
• 126[00:28:30] <markybob> crayon: don't* listen
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• 129[00:29:03] <winsen> thanks all
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• 131[00:30:04] <crayon> what's wrong guys??????????????????????????????/
• 132[00:30:21] <markybob> crayon: you not knowing how to type for one
• 133[00:30:32] <crayon> huh
• 134[00:30:39] <TomTomTosch> crayon: answer the questions please. from where to where do you want to upgrade?
• 135[00:30:45] <markybob> crayon: to use testing you need to have a basic working knowledge. you don't. it will break your system and then complain to us
• 136[00:30:51] <crayon> my home comp
• 137[00:31:06] <TomTomTosch> crayon: from which release to which?
• 138[00:31:58] <de-facto> jmcnaught it seems to be empty, i think i give up for now, that box seems to be trash for some reason, i shut it down and call my provider tomorrow :-//
• 139[00:32:12] <crayon> i should be okay i think guys
• 140[00:32:15] <crayon> dont worry
• 141[00:32:18] <crayon> ill report back
• 142[00:32:22] <jmcnaught> de-facto: they don't have a ticket interface?
• 143[00:32:27] <markybob> crayon: not here you won't. we don't support testing here
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• 148[00:34:22] <de-facto> jmcnaught i dont think so
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• 150[00:34:52] <jmcnaught> de-facto: i would get a different provider if you're having these kinds of problems and there's no place to open a ticket about it
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• 154[00:36:30] <de-facto> jmcnaught they say use the contact form
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• 156[00:37:47] <winsen> teraflops: do you know if there is any tool to create a buckup for both (windoz and debian+grub) in case?
• 157[00:38:32] <jmcnaught> de-facto: if this system is important i would do that then, it could be something like one of the other VMs on the node is abusing resources. My only other suggestion is that you have an automated way to deploy try to reproduce the problem in a VM on your computer (for example run the puppet/ansible/whatever locally to reproduce)
• 158[00:38:42] <teraflops> winsen: dd
• 159[00:38:50] <bazhang> winsen whats a buckup
• 160[00:39:04] <bazhang> winsen drop the windowz
• 161[00:39:21] <bazhang> winsen, it's WINDOWS
• 162[00:39:47] <teraflops> winsen: dd for the mbr and/or the partition table
• 163[00:40:00] <teraflops> bazhang: let the guy be cool :P
• 164[00:40:08] <luxio> daily reminder to `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get autoremove`
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• 166[00:40:23] <bazhang> winsen, you mean back up
• 167[00:41:02] <teraflops> hey don't be picky :P
• 168[00:41:23] <de-facto> jmcnaught i wish i had the install automated somehow, i just have a full system backup on another hostingspace
• 169[00:41:40] <teraflops> bazhang: sorry i was joking
• 170[00:41:59] <winsen> bazhang: yes
• 171[00:42:23] <winsen> sorry
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• 174[00:42:28] <bazhang> try clonezilla winsen
• 175[00:42:40] <bazhang> ,v clonezilla
• 176[00:42:43] <teraflops> bazhang: for the mbr?
• 177[00:42:44] <judd> Package: clonezilla on amd64 -- jessie: 3.10.11-1; sid: 3.10.11-3; stretch: 3.10.11-3
• 178[00:42:46] <de-facto> jmcnaught any idea how it could be my fault that I/O wait times are so high?
• 179[00:42:48] <teraflops> hey use dd ...
• 180[00:43:17] <bazhang> teraflops, he cant even spell windows, seriously rethink recommending dd
• 181[00:43:19] <winsen> bazhang: I thought cloezilla can do it only for only one system at the same time not for 2 or more right?
• 182[00:43:21] <teraflops> heh
• 183[00:43:41] <bazhang> teraflops, used in a wrong fashion dd can wreak havoc
• 184[00:43:42] <jmcnaught> de-facto: no, i think it's a problem with the host. but since you were so convinced it was systemd earlier you could try to reproduce the problem locally
• 185[00:44:07] <teraflops> bazhang: maybe he is not native english, don't be picky
• 186[00:44:16] <winsen> bazhang: do you think that I can clone debian and windoz partition included grub?
• 187[00:44:20] <de-facto> jmcnaught yeah i think making a full copy inside a vm is a very good idea indeed
• 188[00:44:28] <bazhang> teraflops, he wants to clone both simultaneously
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• 191[00:45:09] <teraflops> winsen: what do you want to backup, just grub and the parition table or the whole thing
• 192[00:45:10] <bazhang> winsen seriously it's windoWs
• 193[00:45:11] <teraflops> ?
• 194[00:45:19] <jmcnaught> de-facto: even if you can't reproduce this problem (because it's the host) you at least get something you can test changes on before doing them in production
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• 196[00:46:08] <winsen> teraflops: I want to backup both debian and windoz.
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• 203[00:47:23] <teraflops> winsen: yes you can, you can clone whole disks with dd, you can use clonezilla, you can even clone partitions etc.
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• 206[00:48:00] <de-facto> jmcnaught what approach would you suggest to clone it to a vm (on my local system)?
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• 209[00:50:20] <jmcnaught> de-facto: not sure if your hosting provider can give you a disk image. do you have documentation of everything that is installed? if you've done everything by hand, you might need to do it by hand locally to try and reproduce. or start learning ansible, puppet, saltstack or chef
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• 211[00:50:41] <arahael> bazhang: it is irritating that he persistently misspells windows, but there are more important considerations going on.
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• 217[00:53:10] <de-facto> jmcnaught yeah when i reinstall it (which i might :-((), i def will look into automation, but for now i want to have a local vm of it which is as close as possible to it. on the vps i cannot export snapshots, but i can boot from preconf cd images (e.g. GParted Live CD, System Rescue CD 4.2.0 and such)
• 218[00:53:43] <de-facto> for debian they just provide netinstall
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• 221[00:54:46] <winsen> teraflops: sorry, I am back, I had a phone call, what is "dd"?
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• 223[00:55:09] <jmcnaught> de-facto: i don't imagine copying the entire disk image over the internet would be very fast or reliable but you could probably give it a try. if the host node is struggling right now it could take a very long time
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• 225[00:56:36] <teraflops> winsen: I think we have reached the point fomr which you have to do your own research. you already have the info
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• 227[00:56:40] <teraflops> from*
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• 230[00:57:18] <teraflops> dd, clonezilla, mbr, patition table
• 231[00:57:25] <teraflops> backups
• 232[00:57:42] <winsen> teraflops: I asked you just to tell me what is "dd" I don't know this tool?
• 233[00:58:14] <teraflops> !dd
• 234[00:58:14] <dpkg> it has been said that dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. <pv>
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• 236[00:59:22] <markybob> winsen: you can google. help yourselvf. that's what he meant. easy to find out what it is
• 237[00:59:56] <winsen> teraflops: ok, I'll see thanks for all
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• 239[01:00:26] <winsen> Thanks all
• 240[01:00:42] <bazhang> welcome winsen
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• 242[01:01:07] <teraflops> winsen: np
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• 250[01:04:47] <aguitel> when the stretch become stable ?
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• 252[01:04:54] <markybob> aguitel: spring 2017
• 253[01:04:59] <dvs> !wwsr
• 254[01:04:59] <dpkg> Hang on.... we've only just released jessie!
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• 256[01:05:15] <teraflops> !when
• 257[01:05:15] <dpkg> Now!
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• 261[01:05:34] <aguitel> ok
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• 277[01:16:15] <Lady_Aleena> Hello, I just tried to update, and I'm getting the following warning and error (if W stands for warning, and E stands for error.)
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• 279[01:16:38] <Lady_Aleena> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 280[01:16:48] <Lady_Aleena> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
• 281[01:16:55] <Lady_Aleena> When I tried again...
• 282[01:17:01] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: mozilla.debian.net swtiched to firefox
• 283[01:17:01] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, no more weasels, only foxes
• 284[01:17:10] <teraflops> :S
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• 286[01:17:25] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: replaced-url
• 287[01:17:26] <Lady_Aleena> same thing...
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• 289[01:17:43] <Lady_Aleena> Where is the sources file again?
• 290[01:17:55] <luxio> Lady_Aleena: /etc/apt/sources.list
• 291[01:18:02] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: either /etc/atp/sources.list for the main one, though sometimes they are put in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory
• 292[01:18:04] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, they've changed the sources.list
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• 298[01:21:20] <Lady_Aleena> So change the last line in sources.list (line 5 here) replaced-url
• 299[01:21:38] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: yes
• 300[01:21:40] <Lady_Aleena> Do I need to uninstall iceweasel and install firefox?
• 301[01:21:53] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: you don't have to do it in that order, but you should isntall iceweasel
• 302[01:22:04] <somiaj> (I think the packages can live side by side)
• 303[01:22:16] <somiaj> and Imean uninstall (not install)
• 304[01:22:28] * Lady_Aleena face palms.
• 305[01:22:45] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, you should uninstall iceweasel because it will no longer be updated.
• 306[01:22:56] <teraflops> if you uninstall iceweasel gnome will complain, does firefox fulfill the gnome deps as icewesel do?
• 307[01:22:59] <dvs> as somiaj said (sorta ;-)
• 308[01:23:07] <Lady_Aleena> So Firefox install will not overwrite or change the Iceweasel install?
• 309[01:24:07] * Lady_Aleena wishes she were more savvy nano right now.
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• 312[01:24:52] <teraflops> I do crtl+x in vim and :+wq in nano
• 313[01:24:54] <somiaj> teraflops: in sid, firefox-esr: Provides: gnome-replaced-url
• 314[01:25:09] <teraflops> somiaj: ah nice
• 315[01:25:11] <somiaj> teraflops: I don't know what the gnome depends in jessie is, but if it is gnome-replaced-url
• 316[01:25:34] <teraflops> somiaj: it pulls from gnome core and other one if I remember well
• 317[01:26:02] <somiaj> teraflops: I would assume it should work, but unsure at the jessie level as I'm not on jessie or use gnome.
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• 320[01:26:21] <Lady_Aleena> I don't have Gnome.
• 321[01:26:32] <teraflops> somiaj: yeah thanks
• 322[01:26:37] <pink_vampire> hiii
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• 324[01:26:58] <Lady_Aleena> So now update and firefox will be installed automatically or do I need to install it first then update?
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• 326[01:27:19] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: you will need to install the new firefox pacakage as the instructions at mozilla.debian.net
• 327[01:27:29] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: then you will want to uinstall your iceweasel package.
• 328[01:27:38] <Lady_Aleena> What does the -t do?
• 329[01:28:02] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: it raising the priority of the jessie-backports repo to tell apt that it is okay to install this package from jessie-backports
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• 331[01:28:33] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: by default apt will not install stuff from the jessie-backports repo unless you include that flag (though once installed, apt will keep it upgraded from the jessie-backports repo)
• 332[01:29:17] <jmcnaught> I don't think there is any need to remove the iceweasel package, at least for me after install firefox-esr from mozilla.d.n it also updated the iceweasel package's version number. removing iceweasel could remove a meta-package
• 333[01:29:30] <teraflops> jmcnaught: in jessie?
• 334[01:29:36] <Lady_Aleena> And "Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package."
• 335[01:30:04] <somiaj> jmcnaught: ahh, wasn't sure if m.d.n was goign to use a transitional package in their repo or not. Last I saw (when this first hit) was it didn't.
• 336[01:30:21] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: you ran apt-get update after changing your sources.list?
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• 338[01:30:30] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, yes.
• 339[01:30:35] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: pastebin your apt-get command and your sources.list
• 340[01:30:38] <Lady_Aleena> I mean no!
• 341[01:30:42] <markybob> okay then
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• 343[01:31:21] <dvs> maybe?
• 344[01:31:22] <jmcnaught> teraflops: yes in jessie
• 345[01:31:38] <teraflops> ah, nice
• 346[01:31:58] <jmcnaught> i'm not sure what the case is for the firefox package since it's a different repo line, but for firefox-esr keep the iceweasel package around (for metapackages that depend on it)
• 347[01:32:17] <Lady_Aleena> replaced-url
• 348[01:32:49] <sebboh> My laptop freezes when I close the lid. Or when I push the lid button with a pen knife while I leave the lid open. I watch it... Screen goes blank and there is no hdd activity light and the capslock button stops responding. After this, I gotta hold down the power button till it clicks off.
• 349[01:32:51] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: i assume it worked after apt-get update ?
• 350[01:33:05] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, I have no run apt-get update yet.
• 351[01:33:11] <Lady_Aleena> s/no/not/;
• 352[01:33:16] <teraflops> jmcnaught: I saw it symlinked to firefox-real or something like that, sorry I dont have access to that system right now
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• 354[01:33:20] <Lady_Aleena> ... since changing it.
• 355[01:33:32] <sebboh> What is handling the lid button? What is the lid button tied to? Is this a "special" keyboard button, or an acpi button, or what?>
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• 357[01:33:39] <somiaj> sebboh: sounds like something is not working with suspending the machine. I would check your logs to see what is happening when it tries to suspend (though usually it is the resume) that went wrong.
• 358[01:33:49] <Lady_Aleena> So, run apt-get update first, then install firefox, right?
• 359[01:33:50] <jmcnaught> teraflops: i'm just saying we don't need to tell people to remove the iceweasel package is all
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• 361[01:33:56] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: yes
• 362[01:34:06] <somiaj> sebboh: its part of acpi, systemd/udev I think is what is listening for it and triggering the suspend eevent.
• 363[01:34:25] <sebboh> ok, how do I change what happens when I close the lid? I can solve the problem later, preventing the crash is fine for now.
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• 365[01:34:59] <jmcnaught> sebboh: if you're on jessie with systemd you can edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf and set HandleLidSwitch=ignore (and then "systemctl restart systemd-logind")
• 366[01:35:03] <sebboh> wait... systemd. crap, I remember this whole problem now. This is not the first time I've worked on this.
• 367[01:35:14] <Lady_Aleena> GUH! So many packages to update!!!
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• 369[01:35:22] <sebboh> jmcnaught: ... ok, maybe it's not so much of a problem.
• 370[01:35:26] <somiaj> sebboh: replaced-url
• 371[01:35:35] <sebboh> somiaj: thanks.
• 372[01:35:43] <teraflops> jmcnaught: ah sure
• 373[01:35:45] <somiaj> sebboh: the first answer seems reasonable and I think will work in debian (not posible)
• 374[01:36:10] * Lady_Aleena can't remember the last time she updated.
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• 376[01:36:13] <somiaj> sebboh: in the comments to the question is a debian 8 jessie command to mask all the processes that would trigger a suspend.
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• 380[01:36:47] <sebboh> mask? Sorry I'll fire up a browser shortly.
• 381[01:37:02] <somiaj> sebboh: it is systemd slang to mean 'completely ignore these units'
• 382[01:37:06] <Lady_Aleena> 224 packages gotten
• 383[01:37:42] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: you probably just got the libc6 security fix then. so you'll want to reboot.
• 384[01:37:57] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, what is libc6?
• 385[01:38:12] <sebboh> somiaj: I mean, who should ignore --- oh, systemd. ... processes means some systemd config item, I trust?
• 386[01:38:17] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: uh...basically it's one of the core libraries that make your system work.
• 387[01:38:25] <somiaj> sebboh: that link has two solutions, the main one is disable just the lid button, the side comment should disable systemd trigering susupend in other ways too.
• 388[01:38:38] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, so one of those things I don't think about normally.
• 389[01:38:45] <sebboh> somiaj: ok, thanks.
• 390[01:38:51] <somiaj> sebboh: yea, systemctl controls systemd, and the command tells systemd to ignore them (which is a very strong way of turing them off)
• 391[01:39:00] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: right.
• 392[01:39:07] <somiaj> sebboh: this is more useful for thigns that get 'triggered' vs a service that can just be enabled/disabled
• 393[01:39:37] <sebboh> somiaj: I was quite comfortable with udev and even its predecessor.
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• 399[01:40:41] <somiaj> sebboh: I am growign to like systemd, I find it nice to contorl things. But I'm still learning how it works.
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• 402[01:41:23] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, my updates stopped here -> replaced-url
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• 404[01:41:50] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: hit q
• 405[01:42:11] <jmcnaught> or you know, read about the changes because they could be worth knowing
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• 407[01:42:18] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, thanks,,,
• 408[01:42:44] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I read it.
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• 411[01:44:34] <Lady_Aleena> I feel I don't know 95% of what is installed on my system.
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• 418[01:46:15] <sebboh> Lady_Aleena: you and me both. I can't remove systemd without understanding the ramifications that has on polkit. ...wtf is pol kit? I am either me, or root, and I know how to change the permissions on everything under /dev/, so what the heck is polkit supposed to do?
• 419[01:46:26] <Lady_Aleena> No wonder it is taking so long. It is updating LibreOffice.
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• 421[01:46:55] <jmcnaught> sebboh: why do you want to remove systemd?
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• 430[01:49:16] <sebboh> My first nix machine was LFS--followed by Slackware when that failed horribly, followed by LFS again, followed by Debian when I observed that --- because it's my fucking computer and I never told it to do ANYTHING when I closed the lid. The lid switch is a piece of plastic that provides input. My system should respond to input as instructed. Anyway... As I was saying, I switched to debian because hundreds of people that think like me
• 431[01:49:16] <sebboh> built a better system than I could build on my own. Well that was .. crap, 13 years ago?
• 432[01:49:22] <Lady_Aleena> What is samba anyway?
• 433[01:49:42] <tremon> sebboh: polkit is for enhancing/subverting the unix access controls. For example, Gnome people want to make sure that you can access a plugged-in usb disk when you're at the console, but not when you're logged in remotely
• 434[01:49:46] <sebboh> samba is an implementation of the SMB protocol which supports things like windows files shares.
• 435[01:49:48] <abrotman> dpkg: tell Lady_Aleena about samba
• 436[01:49:50] <guest4454> pencilandpaper: Long time, how are you?
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• 441[01:50:45] <sebboh> tremon, well that's silly because I am me whether I am at home or away. Anyway I'm feeling grumpy so I don't belong here right now so I'll see ya'll later.
• 442[01:50:47] <tremon> and since Gnome people can't write a pam plugin to do that, we end up with consolekit/polkit/logind
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• 449[01:52:17] <pencilandpaper> Good to hear. :)
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• 508[02:22:56] <Lady_Aleena> EEK! Another problem...Mismatched nvidia kernel module loaded. The NVIDIA driver that is being installed (version 340.96) does not match the nvidia kernel module currently loaded (version 340.65). The X server, OpenGL, and GPGPU applications may not work properly. The easiest way to fix this is to reboot the machine once the installation has finished. You can also stop the X server (usually by stopped the login manager, e.g. gdm3, kdm, or
• 509[02:22:57] <Lady_Aleena> xdm), manually unload the module ("rmmod nvidia"), and restart the X server. <OK>
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• 512[02:24:51] <Lady_Aleena> Now, can someone please tell me what is going on here? How could there be a mismatched nvidia kernel module? What is the X server? Do I just push <OK> and leave it be and hope my monitor still works?
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• 515[02:27:35] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: x server is what gives you graphics. and it's pretty easy. hit okay and reboot once the upgrade is done like the text says.
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• 518[02:28:08] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, so don't worry about it then. It will fix itself on reboot?
• 519[02:28:27] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: hopefully. it should.
• 520[02:28:40] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, okeydokey.
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• 592[03:07:02] <Tipping_Fedora> hey everyone, Can someone help me?
• 593[03:07:05] <Tipping_Fedora> replaced-url
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• 600[03:09:43] <gmbs> Is mirrors.cat.pdx.edu down? How else should I get debian security updates?
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• 653[03:41:30] <locrian9> Can someone verify if I'm downloading the correct .iso file? I need "debian 4.0 etch for i386". Appears that there's a mirror hosting this at Index of /mirror/cdimage/archive/4.0_r9/i386/iso-dvd
• 654[03:41:34] <locrian9> ? Name Last modified Size
• 655[03:41:44] <abrotman> locrian9: why would you download a version that old?
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• 657[03:42:14] <locrian9> There's a machine with a program that would need to run off that version.
• 658[03:42:17] <abrotman> anyway, we'd need the full URL to the one you're download
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• 662[03:43:10] <locrian9> replaced-url
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• 665[03:43:52] <locrian9> Wasn't sure what the "netinst.iso" was.
• 666[03:44:23] <markybob> you don't want netinst for etch. you want a full cd
• 667[03:45:01] <locrian9> Alright, I'll keep searching the web.
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• 670[03:46:42] <markybob> i really don't know where you'd find one :/
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• 673[03:46:51] <abrotman> Ido ..
• 674[03:47:04] <markybob> in abrotman we trust
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• 677[03:47:22] <abrotman> I keep things up there ..
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• 680[03:47:39] <abrotman> replaced-url
• 681[03:47:45] <abrotman> That's the best you'll get that I know to find easily
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• 684[03:47:56] <abrotman> you can use archive.debian.org to get to the "newest" version of etch
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• 691[03:49:55] <locrian9> abrotman: Appreciate it.
• 692[03:50:26] <markybob> yes, abrotman, you better appreciate it.
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• 698[03:53:21] <abrotman> also, whatever app that is should be taken out back and shot ..
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• 717[04:03:14] <locrian9> abrotman: I found a link, but is there a specific .iso I should download? It's showing CD-1, CD-2, CD-3, etc. Looks like they're all about ~640MB each.
• 718[04:03:26] <locrian9> replaced-url
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• 722[04:05:06] <dvs> debian-40r9-i386-netinst.iso
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• 729[04:07:50] <locrian9> dvs: markybob said I don't want netinst for etch, and I should grab a full cd instead.
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• 733[04:09:15] <dvs> locrian9, if you want the full distribution, I'd grab all the DVDs at replaced-url
• 734[04:11:11] <locrian9> dvs: Cool. I've got a 38GB USB drive, and I'll throw the whole thing onto it.
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• 819[05:01:35] <pbase> anyone using a conexant smartaudio hd chip 20585 ?
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• 841[05:11:43] <mlin112> anyone know how i can get audio device numbers? the instructions i found said to use lsdev. but the command isn't working for me
• 842[05:11:46] <mlin112> lsdev in and out
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• 850[05:18:22] <jmcnaught> mlin112: what do you mean audio device number? "lspci -nn" can show the pci-id. "aplay -l" can show the ALSA card number. "pacmd list-cards" can show info about cards that pulseaudio knows about
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• 858[05:24:28] <mlin112> jmcnaught, ok thanks. i was editing a config file and it needs a number for the preferred audio device
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• 878[05:30:59] <cluelessperson> Hi all, when I use DD to copy, or if maybe unplug USB drive while machine is suspended, the system will still show /dev/sdb even though it doesn't exist. If I try to connect the usb storage drive, it isn't detected until I reboot the system. How can I reset the USB subsystem without rebooting?
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• 898[05:42:32] <aypea[1]> is it possible to set a per-user desktop environment in lightdm?
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• 900[05:43:29] <pingfloyd> aypea[1]: have the user change their session
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• 902[05:45:01] <aypea[1]> pingfloyd: saw that. realised it was being overriden. want to see how to override the override :)
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• 904[05:46:00] <mcordingley> Hi pkexec is giving me this error: "polkit-agent-helper-1: error response to PolicyKit daemon: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: No session for cookie"
• 905[05:46:17] <mcordingley> I don't even know where to start on fixing it. :(
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• 922[05:54:29] <markybob> i just saw the mini-debconf video about secure boot. so excited :P
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• 945[06:08:16] <eb0t> this open suse is looking good on the laptop....
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• 950[06:09:10] <markybob> eb0t: why are you here?
• 951[06:10:00] <eb0t> oh sorry wrong room
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• 953[06:10:04] <eb0t> channel
• 954[06:10:09] <pingfloyd> aypea[1]: I can't remember if it remembers last set session for each individual user
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• 956[06:11:20] <aypea[1]> yeah it does, if you tell it to. unfortunately it remembers the last selection when logging in, instead of resetting to a safe default so I wound up logging in with gnome (what the last user used) rather than xfce. :/
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• 961[06:13:08] <jml2> aypea[1], ~/.dmrc
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• 963[06:13:29] <aypea[1]> jml2: it was overriden.
• 964[06:13:39] <jml2> aypea[1], so make it root-only
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• 982[06:27:09] <W8TVI> so I'm trying to install jessie on an hp g6 series laptop (used unetbootin, told it debian, and the hdmedia sub option, and placed the first iso on the root of the flashdrive). so far so good. now it's telling me it need the firmware files for my wifi and nic. I've tried placing the requested files in the root dir of a fat32 formated 32gb usb drive, in the /firmware folder, and just extracted the entire contents of non-free firmware
• 983[06:27:09] <W8TVI> tarball to the root of the drive (so it recreated the directory tree of the archive). the installer still refuses to use the files.
• 984[06:27:31] <W8TVI> it just comes back to asking me if I want it to look for them on removable media again.
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• 986[06:28:35] <W8TVI> (and it is asking for rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw and rt2860.bin
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• 989[06:29:31] <markybob> !unetbootin
• 990[06:29:31] <markybob> W8TVI: don't do that. it breaks shit
• 991[06:29:31] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
• 992[06:29:41] <markybob> W8TVI: ^
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• 994[06:30:32] <markybob> W8TVI: so you're trying to make a usb from windows, right?
• 995[06:30:37] <W8TVI> ues
• 996[06:30:39] <W8TVI> yes
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• 998[06:31:04] <W8TVI> I don't have a linux box available to create one right now.
• 999[06:31:09] <markybob> !win32diskimager
• 1000[06:31:09] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
• 1001[06:31:27] <markybob> W8TVI: and since you need firmware you want to use the firmware installer. replaced-url
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• 1004[06:33:26] <W8TVI> markybob: so don't use the ISO I already downloaded, and instead use that ISO?
• 1005[06:33:34] <markybob> W8TVI: correct
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• 1027[06:43:16] <W8TVI> markybob: Thanks, it's working. Now I wonder why my trackpad isn't working in the GUI installer... my USB mouse works fine.
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• 1030[06:46:25] <markybob> W8TVI: i've never used gui installer in my life. maybe it'll work once it's fully installed. my laptop has a f3 key that turns the trackpad on/off. maybe that works?
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• 1032[06:47:06] <W8TVI> yeah, not worried right now.
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• 1043[06:51:23] <W8TVI> man... my MS surface pro 2 has me spoiled by its boot speed
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• 1053[06:55:27] <jml2> W8TVI, it would be easier for you because non-free is included on the cdrom-- if you need to install things with apt-get/aptitude it'll ask to have the CD or usb plugged in
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• 1102[07:28:57] <iKarith> Don't suppose anyone can suggest a relatively n00b-friendly console Twitter client, preferably alreadyin stable? I don't really twit, but I was asked to look into it, so I'm looking. :)
• 1103[07:32:10] <jml2> iKarith, when you say "console" you mean command-line ?
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• 1111[07:36:56] <jml2> iKarith, bash twitter idiocy
• 1112[07:36:58] <jml2> lol
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• 1134[07:51:32] <arahael> How do I install gcc and g++
• 1135[07:51:37] <arahael> Man pages, that is.
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• 1142[07:54:55] <jmcnaught> arahael: some of the GNU documentation like gcc-4.9-doc is in non-free
• 1143[07:55:24] <arahael> How wonderfully ironic.
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• 1149[07:57:58] <arahael> Just found: replaced-url
• 1150[07:58:04] <arahael> I guess it does make sense. Thanks. :)
• 1151[07:58:07] <iKarith> bleh, what a time to get a phone call :P Yes, I meant command-line, terminal, ssh, whatever. :)
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• 1153[07:59:03] <iKarith> And yes, FDL poses some problems :)
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• 1174[08:10:06] <shibly> Hi
• 1175[08:10:15] <shibly> replaced-url
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• 1177[08:10:29] <shibly> If i do this: update-rc.d <daemon> enable
• 1178[08:10:41] <shibly> Then what will happen?
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• 1180[08:11:01] <shibly> There are some options for a script, like start,stop,restart,reload,status
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• 1186[08:11:32] <shibly> So if i do update-rc.d <daemon> enable , then which option will occur ? Will it stop or start or restart?
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• 1188[08:11:59] <shibly> update-rc.d <daemon> enable , this doesn't say anything about start,stop,restart,reload,status
• 1189[08:12:11] <jmcnaught> shibly: if you are on Jessie using systemd (the default) it would be better to use "systemctl enable <service>" which makes it start at boot, but does not start it right away
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• 1192[08:13:03] <shibly> Scripts will be in /etc/init.d
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• 1197[08:13:51] <jmcnaught> shibly: systemd treats those init scripts the same as its native service units. are you on jessie, or wheezy still?
• 1198[08:13:51] <shibly> service <script> start and systemctl enable <service> are these same?
• 1199[08:14:03] <shibly> Jessie
• 1200[08:14:40] <jmcnaught> shibly: yes, if you read /usr/sbin/service you'll see it's just a wrapper around systemctl
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• 1202[08:15:22] <shibly> But to run systemctl enable <service> i need to put the service unit in /etc/systemd/system instead of in /etc/init.d , right?
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• 1204[08:16:24] <pingfloyd> shibly: you have to create a unit file if there isn't one
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• 1206[08:16:40] <jmcnaught> shibly: no systemd is backwards compatible with init scripts in /etc/init.d. The service units that go in /etc/systemd/system have a different format (which is much easier to write)
• 1207[08:17:06] <pingfloyd> systemctl creates a symlink to existing unit files
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• 1271[08:52:32] <hellyeah> yo
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• 1273[08:52:51] <hellyeah> i have a problem with my 3g modem it is usb mode vodafone
• 1274[08:53:04] <hellyeah> i have to unlock from windows for using in the debian
• 1275[08:53:11] <hellyeah> is there any known issue about that?
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• 1277[08:55:05] <suexec> hellyeah, you will have to elaborate mate. That's a bit vague. "Unlock from windows"?
• 1278[08:55:25] <cred> this might help hellyeah replaced-url
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• 1280[08:55:35] <cred> if it's a sim lock try mmcli
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• 1282[08:55:59] <cred> if you want people to help you please supply the relevant lsusb output
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• 1302[09:03:53] <hellyeah> creat: first i needd to connect in windows
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• 1304[09:04:11] <hellyeah> creat: then i can use it in debian
• 1305[09:04:25] <hellyeah> creat: if i didnt do sim unlock from windows i cannot use in debian ever
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• 1333[09:17:31] <cafuego> ,v mmcli
• 1334[09:17:33] <judd> No package named 'mmcli' was found in amd64.
• 1335[09:17:36] <cafuego> aww
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• 1360[09:26:59] <hmir> Hi guys. Not sure if this is a debian sepcific question but;
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• 1364[09:27:25] <hmir> Using dpkg-reconfigure console-setup allows me to change the font and font size of the teminal.
• 1365[09:27:54] <hmir> But I only have 3-4 choices for fonts, and their respective font sizes. I am visually impaired and need the font size to be bigger. Advice?
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• 1371[09:31:35] <cafuego> hmir: I *think* you can change the terminal resolution at bootup, by passing a boot param for the framebuffer console.
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• 1374[09:34:21] <hmir> Is there a way to maybe import more fontz for dpkg-reconfigure to set
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• 1382[09:36:43] <cafuego> hmir: If I choose 'Terminus' as font, I can pick some larger sizes
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• 1388[09:37:42] <cafuego> 16x32 is the biggest available on that
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• 1392[09:40:19] <hmir> cafuego: I need them to a bit larger than that Terminus allows. =(
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• 1404[09:45:39] <cafuego> hmir: I think you'll prolly need to change the console resolution then, I can't find any info about larger fonts.
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• 1408[09:46:22] <hmir> How would you go about doing that, is there a tutorial I can use?
• 1409[09:46:46] <cafuego> hmir: Generally do do it via a kernel boot param.
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• 1411[09:48:16] <hmir> Ah, okay.
• 1412[09:48:27] <hmir> I have a question regarding the Debian Installer Stretch Alpha 5 release
• 1413[09:48:34] <cafuego> hmir: You should have some info about the current size in your `dmesg' output.
• 1414[09:48:51] <cafuego> dmesg | grep -i 'frame buffer'
• 1415[09:48:55] <hmir> It's a DVD, and I created a boot USB. In the boot options, I do not see anywhere where I can set the desktop environment to install.
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• 1418[09:49:02] <fernando> Hi
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• 1420[09:49:26] <fernando> Could someone help me with some audio issues? I am a bit desperate
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• 1427[09:51:20] <hmir> It says "Alternatively, go to "Advanced options" then "Alternate desktop environments", and choose Xfce there. "
• 1428[09:51:38] <hmir> But that option is not present with this stretch alpha 5 testing dvd.
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• 1430[09:51:39] <hellyeah> gdebi still works
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• 1449[09:58:11] <Cloudwalker42> I have just one question. One of my system had a full hard disk. If I run "df -h" it returns that this hard disk is 100% in use. Now I was able to delete some files and my 126G disk is now 122G in use. But I wonder why the percentage is still on 100%.
• 1450[09:58:30] <Cloudwalker42> Can someone explain :D ?
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• 1452[09:59:04] <hmir> Question: When I install debian from the usb, it says I need non-free ralink drivers and asks if I want to load them from usb. I select no. After the system is installed. can I change the sources.list to add non-free, and then when I update/upgrade, will it automatically install the missing drivers?
• 1453[09:59:14] <hmir> Cloudwalker42: Have you emptied the bin?
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• 1456[10:00:26] <neoncortex> how can you have a half hard disk? o.O
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• 1461[10:00:46] <Cloudwalker42> hmir: I emptied folders with mysqldumps. There is only one partion "xvda".
• 1462[10:00:55] <Cloudwalker42> neoncortex: Its a xen DomU
• 1463[10:01:02] <neoncortex> i see
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• 1478[10:11:10] <hmir> Is there a debian install ISO which is xfce only, has debian testing, and includes non-free firmware?
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• 1495[10:18:37] <bollo> hmir, replaced-url
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• 1500[10:20:52] <hmir> Thanks, bollo.
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• 1502[10:21:28] <hmir> I figured out that what you can do is just download the non-free firmware tarball/zip and extract it to the /firmware directory of your install medium i.e. usb.
• 1503[10:21:45] <hmir> And during installation, it will look in that directory and automatically select and install the needed firmware.
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• 1506[10:24:10] <hmir> bollo: Is there a huge difference between installing testing from a weekly build as opposed to the stretch alpha builds?
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• 1508[10:25:10] <bollo> hmir, replaced-url
• 1509[10:25:45] <hmir> bollo: I've read the page, but I'm not sure how that relates to my last question?
• 1510[10:25:50] <TomTomTosch> first you shouldn't be using the live cd for installing. netinst is what you want.
• 1511[10:26:01] <bollo> hmir, I don't know I use jessie
• 1512[10:26:07] <TomTomTosch> !testing installer
• 1513[10:26:08] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. replaced-url
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• 1516[10:26:22] <hmir> TomTomTosch: I get where you're coming from, but I really do not want to pull down an entire system over the network.
• 1517[10:26:36] <hmir> I don't limited bandwidth and data caps.
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• 1519[10:27:20] <hmir> TomTomTosch: Are you saying that the stretch alpha 5 is ALSO for testing just the installer?????
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• 1523[10:27:59] <hmir> Because that's not what their page says.
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• 1527[10:29:35] <themill> I don't know that the stretch alpha image actually works at all at this stage; they tend to break fairly quickly as the system to be installed changes
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• 1533[10:30:23] <bollo> hmir, you should use stable for install and then go from there to whatever you want to use
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• 1537[10:32:45] <hmir> Well, what I want is xfce 4.12 which doesn't come with debian 8, but omes with testing.
• 1538[10:32:47] <TomTomTosch> "but I really do not want to pull down an entire system over the network." - my point was, don't use the live cd to install. use the installer netinst/cd/dvd.
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• 1540[10:33:12] <hmir> TomTomTosch: Yes, of course I wouldn't install the system with a live cd.
• 1541[10:33:45] <TomTomTosch> hmir: i was referring to the link bollo posted.
• 1542[10:33:55] <hmir> Yes, I know.
• 1543[10:34:00] <TomTomTosch> :)
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• 1546[10:35:36] <hmir> I will be using the Stretch Alpha 5 dvd-1 for install, and have the non-free firmware in the /firmware folder to be installed as needed. As for xfce, it says somewhere that xfce is the default desktop it installs, and I dont see an option to specifically select it at the beginning like you do with Debian Jessie/Wheezy. But I will add the "desktop=xfce" to the command line just inc ase.
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• 1552[10:37:19] <bollo> hmir, you're making it way more complicated than it actually is
• 1553[10:37:57] <bollo> hmir, use to stable netinstall iso with firmware and choose xfce as desktop environment during install
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• 1559[10:38:19] <bollo> hmir, then upgrade you're system to stretch after install
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• 1562[10:39:22] <hmir> But that then pulls all the updates/testing down the internet.
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• 1564[10:40:13] <hmir> Also, you said the netinstall iso. The netinstall isos include desktops?
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• 1567[10:40:38] <bollo> hmir, whichever way you choose to do it you will at some point have to download it
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• 1569[10:41:10] <bollo> hmir, you choose the de during install
• 1570[10:41:47] <hmir> But the netinstall iso doesn't include it, so it pulls it down over the internet during install?
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• 1572[10:42:00] <bollo> hmir, yes correct
• 1573[10:42:13] <hmir> Ny internet isn't stable enough for that!
• 1574[10:42:51] <themill> you can just put the relevant firmware on a usb stick and then pop it in during the installation. Or, if possible, just complete the installation without it and then deal with it later
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• 1576[10:43:30] <hmir> themill: You can put the firmware in the /firmware folder of your install medium.
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• 1578[10:43:38] <hmir> Problem solved!
• 1579[10:43:40] <bollo> hmir, OK I suppose you could use a 8.4 iso with xfce and put the firmware on a separate stick
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• 1581[10:44:12] <hmir> No need for a separate stick.
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• 1585[10:46:03] <bollo> hmir, replaced-url
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• 1588[10:46:53] <hmir> That's okay if you want to install Jessie, but according to debian: "To install Debian testing, we recommend you use the Stretch Alpha 5 release of the installer, after checking its errata. The following images are available for Stretch Alpha 5: "
• 1589[10:46:57] <hmir> replaced-url
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• 1592[10:47:09] <cousin_luigi> Greetings.
• 1593[10:47:23] <hmir> Hi cousin_luigi.
• 1594[10:47:45] <cousin_luigi> Is it possible to subscribe to a bug report thread without using the "email with a long address method"?
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• 1596[10:48:20] <bollo> !tell hmir about #debian-next
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• 1598[10:49:12] <hmir> Why is it on a separate irc network? Seems a bit counter-intuitive.
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• 1602[10:53:29] <nkuttler> hmir: all official debian channels are there
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• 1605[10:56:14] <hmir> oh!
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• 1621[11:06:17] <wabuh> hello everyone
• 1622[11:06:35] <wabuh> I would like to create a debian backports installer
• 1623[11:06:43] <wabuh> is there an easy way to do it?
• 1624[11:07:04] <wabuh> I tried to find some info online, but wasn't successful so far
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• 1641[11:15:49] <OnkelTem> Hi all. I've upgraded to Debian 8 and noticed, that when issuing "reboot" command immediately kills sshd
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• 1644[11:16:37] <OnkelTem> before, on Debian 7, I had some moments to gracefully close ssh connection, now it's not the case anymore
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• 1646[11:17:18] <OnkelTem> any ideas how to configure this beghavior? Maybe 'shutdown' has changed its behavior?
• 1647[11:17:37] <TyrfingMjolnir> runlevel?
• 1648[11:17:58] <TyrfingMjolnir> I never used reboot
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• 1650[11:18:02] <TyrfingMjolnir> shutdown -r 0
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• 1652[11:18:05] <Nik05> OnkelTem systemd?
• 1653[11:18:11] <aypea[1]> systemd appears to be rather psychopathic when told to kill processes. :)
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• 1655[11:18:43] <Nik05> aypea[1] no it just tells them to terminate
• 1656[11:18:50] <Nik05> the killing takes a lot longer
• 1657[11:18:58] <TyrfingMjolnir> OnkelTem: Considered: replaced-url
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• 1659[11:19:10] <TyrfingMjolnir> It's a fork of Jessie with no systemd
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• 1662[11:19:40] <aypea[1]> OnkelTem: why does killing the connection nicely matter, btw?
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• 1664[11:21:32] <OnkelTem> Oh, I need to run :( See you later. Sorry
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• 1666[11:22:10] <aypea[1]> OnkelTem: if it's to kill the ssh process, hit enter, tilda and full stop
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• 1697[11:41:00] <slax0r> hello, I am having issues with using an intel graphics card, the highest, and lowest res I can switch to is 1024x768, here are a few outputs: replaced-url
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• 1716[11:48:21] <cluelessperson> Hi all. I want to customize a debian installation for a production environment, using ARMHF
• 1717[11:48:25] <cluelessperson> How do I approach this?
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• 1721[11:50:19] <azswa> Hi, anyone knows how to emphasize login on gnome terminal login@host:
• 1722[11:50:59] <azswa> Running several commands, sometimes it's hard to see the end of the previous command...
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• 1728[11:54:06] <TomTomTosch> azswa: sure, you can run something like this: >>> PS1='("\(^_^)/") ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ '
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• 1731[11:55:04] <cafuego> I make the commandline be a line by itself, so it always stands out.
• 1732[11:55:17] <cafuego> PS1="\u@\h:\w\n; "
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• 1734[11:55:35] <cafuego> also means deep dirs don't make the commandline tiny
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• 1738[11:58:31] <azswa> Hi guys, thanks for your help
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• 1766[12:15:24] <gry_> Hi, I have this problem (same symptoms) as replaced-url
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• 1777[12:23:33] <slax0r> I have tried installing the 4.5.0 kernel from backports, but when I boot into this kernel, then the X server doesn't even start, with the "no screens found" error, any help on that skylake graphics issue would be greatly appreciated
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• 1788[12:27:16] <cousin_luigi> So, isn't there a way to report a debian bug in a way like launchpad.net?
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• 1820[12:33:03] <linux-fox> hi, all
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• 1824[12:33:40] <linux-fox> i am using xfce4 in debian, it is a very good desktop environment
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• 1960[12:54:49] <Myrkur> Hi guys
• 1961[12:55:10] <Myrkur> I'm setting up a web server for some pupils where I work
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• 1963[12:55:24] <Myrkur> what would be the best ftp server on debian for a web server with multiple access ?
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• 1965[12:57:08] <markybob> i like vsftpd
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• 1979[13:02:22] <halt> Hi guys, it might be specific to debian, but if not then at least you can direct me to the right direction, I have a NAT instance running debian ( aws vpc ) and nodes behind it debian again, the nodes without public address fail to sync ntp, not sure what iptables rule or nat rule I missed...
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• 1981[13:02:50] <teraflops> markybob: theres no need of teaching your pupils bad things, do not use ftp
• 1982[13:03:01] <teraflops> err^ Myrkur*
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• 1984[13:03:08] <markybob> :/
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• 1990[13:05:10] <crissae__> FTL: hello?
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• 1993[13:06:56] <pink_vampire> hi
• 1994[13:07:03] <teraflops> crissae__: yes we all read you
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• 1997[13:08:38] <crissae__> I met someone in Frankfurt last week, said they hang out as ftl in #debian on freenode. I don't typically reach out via irc for this, just seeing if this person was real
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• 2021[13:14:07] <Myrkur> teraflops: sftp ?
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• 2025[13:14:42] <markybob> if you're gonna use ftp it better be sftp (which vsftpd does support)
• 2026[13:15:11] <Myrkur> so vsftpd uses an ssh tunnel as well i guess
• 2027[13:15:29] <markybob> yep
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• 2029[13:15:42] <markybob> i use ssh keys with sftp
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• 2031[13:15:54] <Myrkur> ok nice
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• 2037[13:16:24] <verwilst> sftp is ssh, does vsftpd support that? :-p
• 2038[13:16:30] <verwilst> i guess you mean ftps?
• 2039[13:16:32] <markybob> yes
• 2040[13:16:32] <verwilst> ftp over ssl
• 2041[13:16:45] <Ticho> hopefully over tls, not ssl :)
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• 2043[13:16:56] <verwilst> well yeah :-)
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• 2051[13:18:32] <markybob> it supports both
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• 2058[13:20:36] <markybob> Myrkur: anyway there is #vsftpd if you need help
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• 2081[13:27:38] <Myrkur> thanks markybob
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• 2096[13:32:13] <Jakob_-> People: Any news on an investigation into Ian Murdock's passing?
• 2097[13:34:18] <Jakob_-> The web is pretty silent on this... Doesn't seem like there is much happening (or being published)
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• 2103[13:37:40] <markybob> Jakob_-: #debian-offtopic
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• 2114[13:43:43] <Jakob_-> ok
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• 2128[13:49:36] <disho> hi
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• 2133[13:50:02] <disho> can you help me to solve my problem?
• 2134[13:50:26] <Stummi> no
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• 2136[13:50:32] <disho> my problem is: why nmcli not work under cronjob?
• 2137[13:51:13] <slax0r> pretty much ready to break down in tears here, if I run kernel 3.16 on skylake, I get only 1024x768 resolution, after some googling I found that I should install the bpo kernel, which I did, but then I have no Xserver, hangs with "intel(0): Uknnown Chipset", unloads the intel module and errors with "no screens found"
• 2138[13:51:33] <slax0r> I can boot with nomodeset, but this is only temp, as I again don't have all the available resolutions
• 2139[13:51:43] <slax0r> anyone already solved this issue?
• 2140[13:51:45] <disho> OR How disable and enable wifi connection under cronjob?
• 2141[13:51:52] <teraflops> Myrkur: sftp look saner and it means less work btw
• 2142[13:52:06] <teraflops> looks*
• 2143[13:52:33] <markybob> slax0r: you also need xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports probably
• 2144[13:52:59] <disho> ?
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• 2149[13:54:15] <holms> anyone worked with duplicity? i have a trouble =/
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• 2151[13:55:00] <disho> any guys have solved this problem ?! why nmcli not work under cronjob?
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• 2153[13:55:31] <Stummi> disho, what does the cronjobs output say?
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• 2155[13:55:52] <Stummi> (also, show us your cronjob. Is it a system or user cronjob?)
• 2156[13:56:12] <slax0r> markybob: well, let me just go find a cliff to jump off of
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• 2161[13:56:28] <slax0r> wasted the better part of my day on this, thank you for your help!
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• 2163[13:56:32] <markybob> slax0r: wait, i need to get a life insurance policy on you first
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• 2165[13:56:38] <markybob> slax0r: okay, done. go.
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• 2168[13:57:06] <disho> cat /var/log/syslog nothing anymore!
• 2169[13:57:19] <markybob> slax0r: no worries mate
• 2170[13:57:20] <disho> cat /var/log/syslog nothing anymore useful!
• 2171[13:58:12] <disho> Stummi; can you help me?
• 2172[13:59:01] <holms> would pay for duplicity help =/
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• 2176[13:59:27] <Stummi> disho, show us your crontab entry
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• 2178[13:59:44] <disho> Stummi; my cron like that : 00 13 * * * * /usr/bin/nmcli radio wifi on ... OR off but not running correctly!
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• 2182[14:00:06] <enoch> hi all
• 2183[14:00:22] <halt> disho: journalctl
• 2184[14:00:32] <enoch> is it possible to automatically add a password in sftp/scp command?
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• 2186[14:00:35] <disho> Stummi; I have no problem on any bash script, only under cron...
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• 2189[14:01:02] <Stummi> disho, if you want help, you could start with actually answering my questions. Is it a system or user cron?
• 2190[14:01:06] <Stummi> *cron entry
• 2191[14:01:15] <Stummi> (/etc/crontab vs crontab -e)
• 2192[14:01:16] <disho> user cron
• 2193[14:01:20] <markybob> enoch: that's where you need to use keys
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• 2195[14:01:27] <disho> crontab -e
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• 2198[14:01:41] <enoch> markybob, so the solution is using a key? no alternative?
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• 2201[14:02:04] <halt> enoch: for most of the cases when it's not possible to enter stuff but you still want to automate replaced-url
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• 2203[14:02:39] <halt> enoch: but seriously suggest to use keys wherever it's possible
• 2204[14:02:53] <enoch> ok thank you
• 2205[14:03:00] <Stummi> enoch, use a key. Only if its really not a option for some weird reason, take a look at sshpass
• 2206[14:05:04] <Stummi> disho, your entry is wrong for a user crontab entry, theres a * too much
• 2207[14:05:35] <Stummi> ("m h dom mon dow", but you have 6 columns)
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• 2209[14:06:24] <disho> Stummi, mistake in here! original row is: 17 15 * * * /usr/bin/nmcli radio wifi off
• 2210[14:06:47] <disho> Stummi, 3 star...
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• 2212[14:07:26] <Stummi> disho, you could add something like "> /tmp/cronout 2>&1" to your cronjob
• 2213[14:07:48] <Stummi> for testing purposes
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• 2223[14:11:38] <disho> Stummi, testing is done and output is empty!!
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• 2225[14:11:56] <Stummi> disho, but the file is there?
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• 2227[14:12:04] <Stummi> what makes you think it didn't worked?
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• 2241[14:15:24] <disho> Stummi, output file created by is empty!
• 2242[14:15:52] <Stummi> disho, well, I don't know network manager but I would assume if theres no output it just did what you wanted
• 2243[14:15:52] <disho> Stummi, problem is not solve
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• 2246[14:16:10] <disho> Stummi, replaced-url
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• 2250[14:17:38] <Stummi> disho, well, this seems to solve your problem, doesn't it?
• 2251[14:17:44] <disho> Stummi, if i run this command on bash script or on terminal, It`s OK...
• 2252[14:17:54] <disho> NO.
• 2253[14:17:58] <teraflops> ereplaced-url
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• 2255[14:18:22] <Stummi> disho, have you tried to look at nm-settings as the post says?
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• 2257[14:19:16] <disho> Stummi, my problem not about password! [only disable or enable wifi connection]
• 2258[14:21:12] <Stummi> I would assume you need some password to do that
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• 2262[14:22:10] <Stummi> disho, but I can't help you any further, I am not a user of NM, your crontab entry seems to be right, so its a problem with the nm tool itself
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• 2268[14:24:51] <disho> Stummi, thx for your time... any suggestion?
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• 2283[14:30:02] <antena-cli> What is the package responsible for USB sticks (to eject and stuff)?
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• 2293[14:31:49] <teraflops> antena-cli: what's your issue?
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• 2311[14:35:24] <antena-cli> Every time I put a large file in my USB stick and I eject it, it keeps copying. That's normal, I see no problem in it. The problem is that Debian don't show a message telling me I can take the USB stick out when it's done copying. I need to be watching Nautilus to see if the USB stick disapears or I need to be checking with lsblk.
• 2312[14:36:14] <markybob> antena-cli: just type sync and once sync ends you know it's done
• 2313[14:36:50] <teraflops> antena-cli: are you using gnome?
• 2314[14:36:56] <frostschutz> in the terminal it would be when umount is done... in a GUI it depends on the desktop environment how it visualizes things
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• 2316[14:39:03] <antena-cli> teraflops: No. Cinnamon.
• 2317[14:39:13] <teraflops> antena-cli: gnome tells you when is safe to release the stick (or I'n mad) using the notification daemon. so if youre using nautilus in a wm and/or you don't have a nitification demon this could be the issue
• 2318[14:40:20] <teraflops> antena-cli: im not use to cinnanmon. does it have a filebrowser? are the notifications working there?
• 2319[14:40:56] <teraflops> used* sorry for all the typos
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• 2321[14:42:10] <antena-cli> teraflops: I think the filebrowser is Nautilus. It has a notification. I'll try unset Ignore transient notifications to see if it tell me something.
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• 2324[14:42:32] <antena-cli> markybob, teraflops, thanks!
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• 2330[14:45:04] <kenifanying> Hi, I turn on the option "Run a custom command instead of my shell" in gnome-terminal, and set the custom command to "env TERM=xterm-256color /bin/bash" to get the full 256 color. But "open in terminal" action in nautilus will will not behavior correctly, it always open the home directory, any suggestion?
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• 2338[14:50:40] <Slimmy> hello guys. I have installed pepperflashplugin-nonfree but chromium still wont detect it. when going on a site that needs it I get "Install adobe flash player". I also tried installing afp but it wouldnt work either. any ideas?
• 2339[14:52:08] <tnick42> Hi. I just tried to configure logrotate and then manually started it with /etc/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf. It throwed no error... but the logfiles kept unchanged. I expected to see some history-files in the log-directory and the log-files to be cropped instantly...
• 2340[14:52:33] <kenifanying> Slimmy, see replaced-url
• 2341[14:53:00] <Slimmy> kenifanying: on it. thanks
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• 2344[14:53:10] <DexterF> hi
• 2345[14:53:32] <tonk> DexterF, hello
• 2346[14:53:45] <DexterF> have a problem with one package, "caps"
• 2347[14:54:19] <DexterF> I have to keep the wheezy package in jessie and reinstall it over the jessie package after eah upgrade
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• 2349[14:54:55] <abrotman> dpkg: tell DexterF about hold
• 2350[14:54:59] <DexterF> there is somethign wit a Qt function call that breaks due to a name change. I run kodi media center from jessie backports mainly
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• 2355[14:56:10] <DexterF> abrotman: not a good solution. sooner or later other programs will start running into the issue. not quit esure how to approach that
• 2356[14:56:21] <abrotman> then get it fixed
• 2357[14:56:27] <abrotman> file a bug, get it fixed
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• 2359[14:57:08] <wewlad> hi, could anyone, please, remind me how to tie some specific shell to a user?
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• 2362[14:57:46] <wewlad> also, please, remind me what's an ancient and outdated tool out of these two: adduser, useradd?
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• 2364[14:59:38] <gluon> wewlad: debian favours the use of adduser
• 2365[14:59:47] <bezaban> wewlad: none of them really. adduser is a script that uses useradd
• 2366[15:00:07] <bezaban> wewlad: and chsh for changing shell
• 2367[15:00:18] <gluon> but yeah, it's mostly up your preference
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• 2369[15:00:41] <wewlad> gluon: bezaban: thank you both
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• 2373[15:02:16] <bezaban> otoh I guess you could call both of them
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• 2375[15:02:22] <bezaban> ancient
• 2376[15:02:26] <Slimmy> Guys. I can't believe I can't solve something this simple. I downloaded adobe flash player tar.gz. Ran tar xzfv and decompressed. did sudo cp -r ./usr* /usr and then sudo cp libflasplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/browser/plugins. But I still can't get to use adobe flash player. I restarted firefox. Why?
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• 2380[15:03:01] <gluon> adduser is interactive by default, it asks you all the information instead of you having to supply it on the command line
• 2381[15:03:13] <gluon> so one could say it's a bit easier to use
• 2382[15:03:42] <gluon> i like useradd better, because it gives me more control
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• 2386[15:05:09] <DexterF> abrotman: hold wants to uninstall libs I've never heard about marked {u}. {u}nneeded?
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• 2388[15:05:22] <abrotman> DexterF: Have you filed a bug on the package yet?
• 2389[15:05:34] <wewlad> is it okay that /etc/shells contains 2 paths to zsh? /bin/zsh and /usr/bin/zsh
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• 2392[15:06:06] <wewlad> I did 'chsh -s zsh user', it prompted a password, I entered it and then I got 'chsh: zsh is an invalid shell'
• 2393[15:06:17] <DexterF> abrotman: wanted to, reportbug is not happy with my mail provider.
• 2394[15:06:28] <wewlad> so then I 'man chsh' and there read about -s option more carefully
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• 2396[15:06:55] <wewlad> and the man says that it should be enough to specify just the name of the shell if that shell is present in '/etc/shells'
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• 2399[15:07:57] <abrotman> DexterF: you can use webmail
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• 2401[15:09:21] <OnkelTem> aypea[1]: back to reboot + ssh: killing nicely does matter because then my script awaits for a host to boot up, but my script hangs expecting the output of ssh command
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• 2406[15:12:03] <tnick42> found conclusion in /var/lib/logrotate/status
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• 2409[15:14:14] <wewlad> is it true that the output of 'mount' is just a differently parsed output of 'cat /proc/mounts'?
• 2410[15:14:15] <aypea[1]> OnkelTem: ah. hrm. I see why you might be annoyed. two choices as near as I can see: 'shutdown -r +1' or '(sleep $x; shutdown -r now) &' where x is however many seconds you want to wait/need to wait.
• 2411[15:14:28] <aypea[1]> OnkelTem: the first one will wait a minute
• 2412[15:14:46] <OnkelTem> aypea[1]: wait, it seems 'shutdown -r 0' just worked!
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• 2415[15:15:10] <aypea[1]> OnkelTem: interesting. I wonder what the difference is.
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• 2417[15:15:21] <aypea[1]> OnkelTem: unless 'reboot' is more violent.
• 2418[15:15:22] <OnkelTem> perhaps that's because it has some output which my script expects
• 2419[15:15:25] <Slimmy> why cant i find browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash package?
• 2420[15:15:44] <OnkelTem> aypea[1]: well, I read in man pages that reboot w/o flags just calls shutdown
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• 2422[15:16:01] <aypea[1]> OnkelTem: yeah. oddness.
• 2423[15:16:10] <themill> Slimmy: where have you looked?
• 2424[15:16:29] <Slimmy> themill: apt-get, synaptic and aptitude
• 2425[15:17:17] <themill> which release...
• 2426[15:17:32] <Slimmy> wheezy
• 2427[15:17:42] <aypea[1]> Slimmy: replaced-url
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• 2429[15:17:56] <themill> it doesn't exist for wheezy. You don't run a release that is on life support if you want the newest packages.
• 2430[15:18:30] <aypea[1]> it's not even in jessie, technically.
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• 2436[15:22:23] <holms> anyone familiar with duplicity? please.. small kittens are dying here
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• 2439[15:23:29] <srg> I seem to be missing the proper outlines for html text boxes, checkboxes/radio buttons, and the save dialogs look all messed up in firefox: replaced-url
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• 2461[15:32:51] <themill> srg: stretch?
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• 2466[15:35:18] <holms> anyone familiar with duplicity?
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• 2475[15:39:23] <srg> themill: uh, it's on testing, yeah. I installed ff from the tarball, not from the package. I think I'm missing some gtk library or something.
• 2476[15:40:11] <themill> There's not much we can do to help you with firefox from a tarball, but there were people complaining about recent gtk3 with firefox in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 2482[15:41:22] <srg> themill: Ok, thanks. I just asked in here because I thought it might be some missing gtk library package, not ff itself, but I'll check it out
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• 2496[15:47:10] <DexterF> would someone know something like MusicPD? it turns out not to be maintainable
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• 2500[15:49:26] <xreal> I've just installed "glances" with bottle, but I'm getting "CRITICAL: Bottle module not found. Glances cannot start in web server mode" - anyone with an idea?
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• 2511[15:52:35] <xreal> got it working
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• 2526[16:00:39] <zq> is http.debian.net down?
• 2527[16:01:51] <themill> no
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• 2529[16:02:14] <zq> can't seem to apt-get update from inside my chroot
• 2530[16:02:39] <alchemistswl> can you ping outside?
• 2531[16:02:48] <zq> yes
• 2532[16:03:11] <zq> but apt-get stalls at 'Get [0% working]'
• 2533[16:03:25] <alchemistswl> ipv6?
• 2534[16:03:33] <zq> god i hope not
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• 2536[16:03:49] <zq> i just nuked it and re-debootstrapped
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• 2538[16:04:29] <alchemistswl> I had some ipv6 related issues with chroot. But meh, doesnt mean you have to.
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• 2545[16:07:27] <zq> well it works again anyhow
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• 2558[16:10:59] <zq> oh god not again
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• 2561[16:11:53] <zq> oh i see, it's the stale /etc/resolv.conf left from the previous boot
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• 2600[16:32:41] <srg> I accidentally made a symlink in my homedir that points to ".": lrwxrwxrwx 1 tuf83079 203766 1 May 2 10:31 wp-httpdocs -> .
• 2601[16:32:58] <srg> When I try to rm it, it asks if I want to descend and delete all my stuff in the homedir
• 2602[16:33:02] <srg> I just wanna delete the link
• 2603[16:33:05] <srg> How can I do that?
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• 2617[16:39:04] <zq> srg: rm wp-httpdocs
• 2618[16:39:08] <zq> does that not work?
• 2619[16:39:20] <Cloudwalker42> exit
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• 2645[16:50:25] <Cuby96> .
• 2646[16:50:31] <srg> zq: oops, I was using tab completion which was adding the trailing slash
• 2647[16:50:38] <srg> zq: it worked without the slash, thanks!
• 2648[16:51:16] <Cuby96> Hi there having an issue with wine and debian jessie, it says wrong exe-format, can someone help me with that issue?
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• 2650[16:51:26] <johnfg> hi guys
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• 2652[16:51:50] <johnfg> I've got most of the wrinkles ironed out on my system, but still have this one.
• 2653[16:52:27] <johnfg> This is from cron.daily: run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/exim4-base exited with return code 123.
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• 2656[16:53:03] <johnfg> The rest of mail, whether through mutt or icedove seems to be fine, but I'd like to correct this.
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• 2664[16:55:17] <dwarfmut> hello guys
• 2665[16:55:35] <dwarfmut> somebody here use macbook?
• 2666[16:56:20] <bazhang> yeah
• 2667[16:56:31] <bazhang> the mbp
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• 2679[17:01:41] <Cuby96> could anyone help me with my issue?
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• 2689[17:05:20] <donofrio> is this still neded when we are running 4.4.0.21 these days - replaced-url
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• 2691[17:06:10] <vegardx> Lets pretend (or not) that I've installed multiple machines with grub2 on a partitionless disk and that has naturally failed after an upgrade. Can I just add another small disk, make it bootable and install grub2 on that?
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• 2702[17:10:52] <aphorise> Is there an easy way to mimic systemv / systemd as per default jessie minimal image using docker? - I'm adding services via `update-rc.d TEST defaults` where after I can do `sudo service TEST start` from within the image but it doesnt get started as I expected similar to when a system is booted.
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• 2733[17:18:22] <jordanm> aphorise: i'm sure you can accomplish that in some way, but it does sound like a docker anti-pattern
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• 2743[17:19:30] <donofrio> anyone else here run powerpc and had no sound did you figure out a way to get it working?
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• 2745[17:19:34] <aphorise> jordanm sure - I'm trying to figure out how though.
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• 2997[17:28:51] <eveau> bonjour
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• 2999[17:29:20] <eveau> j'aimerai me connecter en wifi via mon debian en mode console
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• 3001[17:29:28] <eveau> savez-vous se que je dois faire ?
• 3002[17:29:48] <greycat> !fr
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• 3004[17:30:11] <greycat> Hmmm, looks like it's actually #debianfr now.
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• 3006[17:30:38] <greycat> dpkg, fr =~ s/debian-fr/debianfr/g
• 3007[17:30:38] <dpkg> OK, greycat
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• 3021[17:34:34] <dimitry7> hey guys
• 3022[17:34:44] <dimitry7> im getting this error: replaced-url
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• 3025[17:35:02] <dimitry7> using lynx from debian 6, but I have many debian 6 servers and I can access to that file from all except this one
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• 3028[17:35:07] <dimitry7> what can be wrong?
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• 3030[17:35:30] <greycat> Yeah, good luck getting ANY of the text mode browsers (lynx, elinks) to work properly now.
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• 3041[17:37:39] <brigo> dimitry7, https connection it looks like: "Unable to make secure connection to remote host."
• 3042[17:37:52] <brigo> can't you use http?
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• 3045[17:38:08] <greycat> In the last year there have been so many changes to https, and to the libraries that implement it. And lynx/elinks use libgnutls which apparently has many issues with https.
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• 3049[17:39:04] <dimitry7> greycat, wow didn't know that
• 3050[17:39:07] <dimitry7> brigo, sure let me check
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• 3052[17:39:53] <greycat> That's why I get so frustrated when J. Random N00b uses Yet Another Godawful HTTPS Pastebin site. (Yours was fine, though.)
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• 3087[17:52:22] <vegardx> Do you have ca-certificatas package installed, dimitry7?
• 3088[17:52:34] <greycat> He's also on squeeze, so...
• 3089[17:53:16] <vegardx> Kids that were born when it came out are starting to use the Internet.
• 3090[17:53:42] <dimitry7> vegardx, yup: ca-certificates is already the newest version.
• 3091[17:53:58] <dimitry7> greycat, yes, although the other servers can access the file, so it's weird
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• 3094[17:54:09] <dimitry7> i've compared the ssl packages installed and they are fine.
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• 3096[17:54:18] <vegardx> But use curl or wget. Save yourself some troubl.e
• 3097[17:54:42] <dimitry7> well, the issue is with get
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• 3100[17:55:16] <greycat> Why are you doing this on squeeze?
• 3101[17:55:29] <vegardx> Anything related to TLS is going to be like a swiss cheese on squeeze.
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• 3105[17:56:19] <dimitry7> greycat, oh Ihaven't upgraded because here the DBA's use some shit with firebird and until they finish testing, I need to keep squeeze
• 3106[17:56:26] <dimitry7> but on the server side I have Jessie
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• 3108[17:56:31] <OnkelTem> Folks, I'd like to configure a low-production Debian 8 VPS with Xorg server so that my kids can join it and do some tasks. How can I organize interaction with the server?
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• 3115[17:57:47] <OnkelTem> My first thought was using some Win32 Xserver, but I'm unsure is it the best option and which server to pick
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• 3119[17:59:51] <dimitry7> greycat, I reinstalled openssl too
• 3120[18:00:04] <greycat> because...?
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• 3122[18:00:17] <greycat> Seriously, why do you expect ANY of this to work?
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• 3126[18:01:03] <greycat> I'd make the squeeze boxes ssh to a jessie box to retrieve the https crap.
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• 3129[18:01:47] <greycat> lynx on squeeze is also linked with libgnutls (/usr/lib/libgnutls.so.26)
• 3130[18:02:04] <greycat> reinstalling a library that it doesn't even use (openssl) is pretty silly
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• 3135[18:03:57] <alchemistswl> OnkelTem you might want to look into NX
• 3136[18:03:59] <alchemistswl> was easy to setup
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• 3150[18:06:34] <wooden_> testing current has gnutls 30 in it, but the -dev package is for 28. i need to build something against the 30 version. should i download the source .deb and just put the headers in place manually, or is there a cleaner way to do this?
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• 3153[18:07:09] <jak2013> for install ufw apt-get install ufw not work
• 3154[18:07:13] <jak2013> how to install?
• 3155[18:07:13] <greycat> ,v libgnutls30-dev
• 3156[18:07:15] <judd> No package named 'libgnutls30-dev' was found in amd64.
• 3157[18:07:21] <jak2013> i want open the port 8006 how to?
• 3158[18:07:57] <babilen> jak2013: It shouldn't be closed by default
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• 3160[18:08:03] <greycat> *shrug* ask the testing support channel, maybe
• 3161[18:08:15] <babilen> (#debian-next on irc.oftc.net)
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• 3165[18:08:44] <wooden_> greycat, babilen: thank you
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• 3174[18:11:51] <zykotick9> jak2013: 1st i'd like to issue caution using ufw, but ymmv. are you running debian stable? as ufw is a package in main... so my follow up (assuming stable) did you install without internet? if so, your /etc/apt/sources.list would be "broken"... can you install other packages?
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• 3179[18:13:05] <babilen> zykotick9: jak2013 decided to move over to #debian-next (presumably because (s)he is using testing or unstable)
• 3180[18:13:17] <zykotick9> babilen: ahhh, thanks.
• 3181[18:13:27] <babilen> np, all valid questions/remarks :)
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• 3184[18:14:24] <babilen> Just didn't want to create too much of a schism
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• 3224[18:27:34] <debian_upgr> hi there
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• 3226[18:28:25] <debian_upgr> Hi there, I'm trying to upgrade from trisquel to debian. Does anyone know what should I do with held packages?
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• 3228[18:28:36] <pharpend> "upgrade" =p
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• 3234[18:29:04] <pharpend> I don't know the answer to your question, I just thought your phrasing was funny
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• 3237[18:29:27] <debian_upgr> when I hit dist-upgrade it tells me there are no needed packages and held packages
• 3238[18:29:27] <Zurok> debian_upgr: Hi.
• 3239[18:29:35] <debian_upgr> and its a big nuisance
• 3240[18:30:14] <Zurok> debian_upgr: You can't upgrade.
• 3241[18:30:23] <Zurok> From one distro to another like that.
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• 3245[18:30:33] <Zurok> At least not from Trisquel to Debian.
• 3246[18:31:07] <debian_upgr> I thought debian based where all interchangable with it
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• 3249[18:31:15] <pharpend> The differences between the two are I guess stark enough
• 3250[18:31:40] <Zurok> It's better to fresh install Debian.
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• 3252[18:31:52] <debian_upgr> So now I've got a wholly screwed broken system?
• 3253[18:31:55] <pharpend> Zurok: Why wouldn't one be able to do so? I agree with your interpretation, I'm just curious, though
• 3254[18:31:59] <pharpend> debian_upgr: more or less =p
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• 3257[18:32:16] <pharpend> Zurok: I suppose Trisquel would have apparmor et al, and perhaps a different base system?
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• 3261[18:32:45] <greycat> Upgrading a package from version A to version B requires some knowledge of what version A *did*, which Debian's version B cannot know if A didn't come from Debian.
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• 3263[18:32:53] <greycat> Now multiply that by a thousand packages.
• 3264[18:32:59] <pharpend> I see
• 3265[18:33:01] <Zurok> ^
• 3266[18:33:14] <debian_upgr> I see... ok guys, thank you. You helped me deciding! Good-bye!
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• 3268[18:33:33] <pharpend> I used Arch for the longest time, so concerns about breaking one's system were not a top priority =p
• 3269[18:33:49] <debian_upgr> LOL
• 3270[18:34:06] <Zurok> Debian>Ubuntu>Trisquel
• 3271[18:34:12] <debian_upgr> indeed
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• 3282[18:36:15] <Gill> Hey guys anyone have experience with Debian hanging on boot with “A start job is running for LSB: Raise network interf”? Its running on AWS so I dont really have much control
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• 3284[18:36:34] <shingouz> this is not strictly debian suppert, but do you guys have an idea what to use. i would need an infinite loop of an oncoming starfield at warp speed, kinda like you would see looking through the "windscreen" of the enterprise going at full tilt. hints appreciated
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• 3291[18:38:46] <sweb> my mail server is not same server with bind how can i set PTR record on server when dont have bind service ?
• 3292[18:38:48] <teraflops> Gill: something is stuck at network target. dhcp request, borked network configuration or something like that.
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• 3294[18:39:13] <greycat> You set the PTR records in your domain, wherever that is served from.
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• 3297[18:39:56] <greycat> Or... actually, those go in the *reverse* domain (numbers.numbers.in-addr.arpa) which may not even be under your direct control.
• 3298[18:39:56] <sweb> greycat: so i dont need set bind reverse zone ?
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• 3300[18:40:17] <Gill> teraflops: anyway to boot the system then?
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• 3302[18:40:25] <Gill> should i just reboot a frew times and hope it comes up?
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• 3304[18:41:20] <teraflops> Gill: no idea about AWS
• 3305[18:41:22] <jelly> shingouz: like... a screensaver?
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• 3309[18:41:50] <Gill> teraflops: ah ok cool thanks fo ryour help
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• 3314[18:42:49] <shingouz> jelly: about that way. any way to grab the output into some image or video format?
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• 3322[18:46:53] <shingouz> jelly: to answer myself, after figuring out the almost correct quiestion, google spat out blender doing some particle animation. now i "just" need to grok blender
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• 3330[18:50:50] <jelly> shingouz: /usr/lib/xscreensaver/rocks has asteroids not stars
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• 3333[18:53:42] <OnkelTem> alchemistswl: thanks!
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• 3339[18:56:49] <shingouz> oops. also gravit might fit the bill after a bit of tweaking for the oncoming strafield generation
• 3340[18:57:01] <shingouz> s/strafield/starfield/
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• 3356[19:03:27] <theunixfreak> hello friends. i am running debian testing on a thinkpad l440 with clickpad, today evening, i upgraded my system using dist-upgrade. but since then, i cannot disable my clickpad. i had disabled it using the configuration file at /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf but that does not work anymore (i had a backup and i overwrote the one that existed, but it still would not work) can you help me?
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• 3358[19:04:02] <theunixfreak> by disabling clickpad, i mean disabling just the dragging and keep the buttons enabled
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• 3392[19:15:28] <Walakea> i tried running Ricin (Tox client) binaries i downloaded from thier site and i got this message: error while loading shared libraries: libtoxdns.so.0
• 3393[19:15:35] <Walakea> does not exist
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• 3395[19:15:55] <Walakea> where can i find this library? i am running jessie
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• 3409[19:18:33] <amartin> Hi, anyone here tried to use "bino" player to play 3d movie and come up with error: "No video streams found"? It's a mkv file
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• 3421[19:22:42] <jmcnaught> Walakea: you probably need to check the install instructions for this Ricin or ask them.
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• 3425[19:23:48] <teraflops> shingouz: I guess you can pipe the ourput of xscreensaver to a fifo and ffmepg it to a video fromvthe fifo
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• 3434[19:25:45] <teraflops> From The*
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• 3437[19:27:00] <greycat> I don't think you can redirect X drawing stuff to a FIFO.
• 3438[19:27:16] <shingouz> teraflops: thanks :)
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• 3440[19:27:25] <greycat> But there are probably programs to take a movie of an X session.
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• 3442[19:27:55] <teraflops> Ffmpeg
• 3443[19:27:59] <shingouz> possibly but as it would be a screensaver... wait... there is the test mode on it... hmmm
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• 3449[19:29:16] <teraflops> shingouz: you can also use xscreensaver as wallpaper and ffmpeg grab a screencast... A bit ereplaced-url
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• 3452[19:31:07] <teraflops> greycat: never tried but why not?
• 3453[19:31:15] <shingouz> teraflops: good point. i remember seeing the wallpaper option somewhere. i think that is the solution. fast and easy
• 3454[19:32:52] <teraflops> /usr/lib/xscreensaver/whatever --root if I remember well
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• 3457[19:34:08] <Walakea> what is a suitable location for storing user-made systemd units?
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• 3459[19:34:33] <Walakea> i have them just in systemd/system
• 3460[19:34:57] <greycat> /etc/systemd/system/
• 3461[19:35:17] <Walakea> yeah, that one
• 3462[19:35:19] <greycat> Debian ones go in /usr/lib/systemd/system/ -- don't put yours there.
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• 3464[19:35:51] <greycat> err, something like that anyway
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• 3542[20:02:25] <Humie> are the packages in the backports repo being rebuild anew?
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• 3585[20:10:33] <Tundra-WebChat> Afternoon fellas, I'm having trouble reaching my debian ssh server from a fedora install. I'm thinking it might be serverside
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• 3588[20:11:03] <Tundra-WebChat> Each time I try to connect I get ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer
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• 3590[20:11:36] <Tundra-WebChat> I know that the host if up cause I can reach it from RDP
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• 3592[20:12:15] <glassresistor> im running jessie and using this wirless card Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265
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• 3595[20:13:00] <glassresistor> its more or less working but the range is pretty bad and at my office it takes multiple trys to connect and drops it 2 or 3 times once connected
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• 3597[20:13:18] <glassresistor> eventually it seems to get the connection and keep it
• 3598[20:13:35] <glassresistor> i switch to an intel card from a broadcom card trying to get bluetooth and stuff to work
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• 3608[20:15:29] <devster31> how can I make changes done with iproute permanent across reboots?
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• 3615[20:20:41] <Tundra-WebChat> Anyone have any suggestions for me?
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• 3618[20:22:06] <terrible> for a laptop which version would be ok jessie or stretch??
• 3619[20:22:26] <bazhang> version?
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• 3623[20:23:16] <Humie> distro
• 3624[20:23:18] <bazhang> why not current stable
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• 3627[20:23:36] <Humie> why not ubuntu
• 3628[20:23:43] <devster31> Tundra-WebChat: check hosts.deny, firewall, versions of client and server, cipher incompatibilities, HostKeyAlgorithms incompatibilities, test the ssh config file for errors, check host keys
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• 3630[20:23:56] <bazhang> it's #debian , thats why
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• 3632[20:24:24] <devster31> to be fair, now they're very very similar
• 3633[20:24:40] <dontknow> terrible, whatever you like
• 3634[20:25:03] <dontknow> i prefer jessie for its stability
• 3635[20:25:14] <dontknow> no headache
• 3636[20:25:19] <dontknow> install and forget
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• 3638[20:25:51] <terrible> dontknow: jessie right and until when jessie gonna be supported??
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• 3642[20:26:26] <Humie> until the end of the world
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• 3644[20:26:53] <dontknow> terrible, four years with lts extension i guess
• 3645[20:26:58] <terrible> Humie: really no end date for support??
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• 3648[20:27:34] <tremon> Humie: jessie will be supported until 1 year after the next release
• 3649[20:27:51] <Humie> there is also LTS support
• 3650[20:27:53] <Tundra-WebChat> devster31: what would the version have to do with it?
• 3651[20:27:57] <tremon> since there's no date for the next release yet, there's no end date for jessie
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• 3654[20:28:27] <tremon> it's not a given that there will be a jessie LTS
• 3655[20:28:42] <Humie> um, it is
• 3656[20:28:59] <Humie> i think its on the news
• 3657[20:29:07] <tremon> ah
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• 3660[20:29:22] <tremon> yes looks like it
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• 3666[20:30:12] <terrible> where can i get debian jessie xfce
• 3667[20:30:20] <tremon> Humie: replaced-url
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• 3669[20:30:34] <devster31> Tundra-WebChat: maybe from 6 to 7 something broke, I don't really know, I was just suggesting everything that I could think of
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• 3671[20:30:53] <Tundra-WebChat> devster31: gotcha
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• 3673[20:32:17] <Humie> terrible: replaced-url
• 3674[20:32:26] <dontknow> terrible, replaced-url
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• 3678[20:35:06] <terrible> dontknow: 8.4.0 is jessie versions??
• 3679[20:35:14] <dontknow> yes
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• 3682[20:36:03] <terrible> ok thanks
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• 3687[20:36:43] <jmcnaught> terrible: if you're planning to install Debian you should use an installer image, not a live disk. replaced-url
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• 3692[20:37:28] <dontknow> jmcnaught, ok but you can also install with live cd
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• 3694[20:37:45] <Humie> ^
• 3695[20:37:57] <terrible> jmcnaught: what is the difference between the live cd and the installer image
• 3696[20:37:57] <terrible> ??
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• 3698[20:38:07] <jmcnaught> dontknow: live disks don't support UEFI, and the installer images are better at installing
• 3699[20:38:14] <Humie> you get to see what you are installing
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• 3702[20:39:57] <terrible> be right back have to do something and i have a couple of questions about debian
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• 3712[20:42:49] <MaBunny> hey guys what is the antivirus for debian...i heard tht theres one
• 3713[20:43:29] <jelly> there's clamav
• 3714[20:43:38] <Humie> ye
• 3715[20:43:42] <dontknow> why antivirus?
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• 3718[20:43:55] <Humie> cause virus
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• 3721[20:44:14] <teraflops> Humie: windows viruses?
• 3722[20:44:14] <dontknow> use proactive security instead
• 3723[20:44:14] <MaBunny> well i wanted one before and guess i want one now too
• 3724[20:44:19] <MaBunny> :/
• 3725[20:44:30] <MaBunny> idk
• 3726[20:44:35] <jelly> MaBunny: and a zillion unofficial rules for it, too, look up "maldet" and "clamav-unofficial-sigs"
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• 3728[20:45:13] <jelly> dontknow: or use both and more and still have users dumb enough to click on shit and get infected
• 3729[20:45:21] <MaBunny> what zillion unofficial rules??
• 3730[20:45:30] <MaBunny> oh
• 3731[20:45:34] <jelly> I JUST said what.
• 3732[20:45:35] <MaBunny> okey
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• 3735[20:45:49] <MaBunny> i kno sorry
• 3736[20:45:51] <MaBunny> :)
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• 3738[20:46:19] <dontknow> MaBunny, don't let jelly confuse you :D
• 3739[20:46:34] <dontknow> you don't need antivirus
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• 3741[20:46:44] <MaBunny> so i came here for another thing...i play the game called freeciv so i was wondering...is there an irc chatroom for it in freenode?
• 3742[20:46:55] <bazhang> yes
• 3743[20:47:02] <dontknow> instead use noscript, request policy on your browser. and learn softwares like firejail
• 3744[20:47:08] <jelly> MaBunny: /msg alis list *freeciv*
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• 3749[20:47:12] <bazhang> /msg alis list freeciv
• 3750[20:47:15] <MaBunny> i kno linux doesnt need antivirus but when i am dumb enough to click some ad
• 3751[20:47:32] <teraflops> Don't run shit as root. Keep the system up to date. Use an ad blocker consider dns sec validation and disable js by default and allow per site. That's a good antivirus
• 3752[20:47:36] <MaBunny> ok
• 3753[20:47:51] <MaBunny> thnx guys for your help :D
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• 3763[20:49:17] <pharpend> MaBunny: Also try Privacy Badger and HTTPS Everywhere
• 3764[20:49:34] <pharpend> MaBunny: uBlock Origin is the best adblocker
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• 3767[20:50:01] <glassresistor>
• 3768[20:50:10] <MaBunny> i use noscript now...but havent heard of privacy badger :)
• 3769[20:50:17] <MaBunny> thnx
• 3770[20:50:37] <dontknow> only adblocking isn't sufficient in this age. you need to block connection to 3rd party site with request policy addon
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• 3772[20:50:48] <trysten> i have a boot dependency on a VG that disappeared. I don't need it and just want to remove the dependency. where do i start?
• 3773[20:50:48] <MaBunny> ok
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• 3775[20:51:00] <Dunams> I'm currently using cinnamon desktop, decided to try KDE for a bit, after installing it do I have to remove cinnamon or something?
• 3776[20:51:16] <jelly> Dunams: you don't
• 3777[20:51:17] <Tegu> noscript usually blocks many 3rd party connections (as they are based on javascript. other types are not blocked of course)
• 3778[20:51:18] <dontknow> Dunams, no
• 3779[20:51:21] <pharpend> dontknow: uBlock does something similar, however it blocks domains that are known to be malicious instead of blanket blockin
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• 3781[20:51:43] <Dunams> so how do I choose which desktop to use? login screen?
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• 3784[20:52:23] <pharpend> MaBunny, dontknow: Request Policy is good in principle, but it makes the web unusable
• 3785[20:52:24] <pharpend> Dunams: yes
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• 3787[20:52:49] <dontknow> pharpend, i see. i prefer blocking all of them and whitelisting the necessary ones
• 3788[20:52:55] <Dunams> thanks
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• 3790[20:53:02] <Dunams> cinnamon is pretty nice actually
• 3791[20:53:09] <MaBunny> pharpend: is ublock also good???
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• 3793[20:53:11] <Dunams> but it looks like kde is more fun
• 3794[20:53:18] <pharpend> MaBunny: uBlock Origin is better
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• 3796[20:53:20] <Dunams> so I wanna give it a spin
• 3797[20:53:37] <pharpend> MaBunny: uBlock is not developed by the original developers, and is not as well-maintained as uBlock origin
• 3798[20:53:39] <MaBunny> yes im in the addons section i see
• 3799[20:53:46] <dontknow> kde is the most complete desktop
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• 3801[20:54:52] <Dunams> I used to like gnome before version 3
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• 3803[20:55:00] <MaBunny> thnx pharpend
• 3804[20:55:03] <pharpend> MaBunny: If you *really* want privacy, use the Tor Browser Bundle. If you want a more pleasant web experience, use uBlock Origin, HTTPS Everywhere Disconnect, etc
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• 3806[20:56:10] <MaBunny> i kno i hav tried to install tor browser but somehow in the prev try i couldnt/was not able to connect it to the internet
• 3807[20:56:24] <pharpend> you might need to use a proxy?
• 3808[20:56:37] <MaBunny> idk
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• 3818[20:59:13] <MaBunny> pharpend can i pm you??
• 3819[20:59:15] <ryouma> what does disconnect do?
• 3820[20:59:21] <pharpend> MaBunny: sure
• 3821[20:59:36] <pharpend> ryouma: Blocks certain forms of tracking
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• 3828[21:00:44] <ryouma> pharpend: seems like you could do the same with combination of noscript and ublock?
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• 3831[21:00:51] <terrible> ok i back i want to download the normal iso of debian jessie
• 3832[21:01:10] <terrible> to burning it on a cd and install it
• 3833[21:01:14] <Humie> download them all!
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• 3835[21:01:27] <pharpend> ryouma: Yes, but disconnect is less intrusive
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• 3838[21:01:55] <ryouma> terrible: perhaps something like this? replaced-url
• 3839[21:01:55] <bazhang> why not the net install terrible
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• 3841[21:02:14] <Humie> cause its terrible
• 3842[21:02:41] <bazhang> Humie, know any good chat rooms
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• 3844[21:03:06] <Humie> bazhang: there was #defacto iirc
• 3845[21:03:11] <Humie> but rip
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• 3848[21:03:29] <bazhang> #debian-offtopic exists Humie
• 3849[21:03:29] <pharpend> terrible: What's your issue, exactly?
• 3850[21:03:44] <Humie> ty
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• 3855[21:05:11] <terrible> pharpend: i just want to install debian jessie on my system which one i should download the live cd or what??
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• 3857[21:05:23] <ryouma> netinstall
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• 3859[21:05:57] <greycat> !netinst
• 3860[21:05:58] <dpkg> netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
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• 3862[21:06:27] <ryouma> terrible: replaced-url
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• 3864[21:06:33] <pharpend> terrible: Oh oh... debian-8.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
• 3865[21:06:53] <pharpend> terrible: if your computer requires proprietary drivers, the netinst won't work
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• 3868[21:07:28] <jmcnaught> it will if you follow the instructions in the install manual
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• 3870[21:07:42] <terrible> pharpend: i have a laptop
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• 3872[21:08:10] <greycat> !firmware images
• 3873[21:08:10] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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• 3875[21:08:38] <jmcnaught> terrible: Debian has an excellent install manual that you should check out: replaced-url
• 3876[21:08:41] <greycat> Those unofficial images don't have *all* the possible nonfree firmware, though. Just some.
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• 3878[21:08:54] <greycat> Someone the other day had an atheros thingy that wasn't supported by the unofficial installers.
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• 3881[21:09:18] <pharpend> terrible: ah, it probably requires proprietary drivers. Use the dvd then, it will have the entire base system, then use the nonfree firmware that greycat linked
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• 3883[21:09:33] <pharpend> jmcnaught: It won't work if your wifi card needs proprietary drivers, and you don't have an ethernet cable
• 3884[21:09:37] <pharpend> jmcnaught: that type of stuff
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• 3888[21:10:14] <terrible> pharpend: ok can you send me the link of the dvd and xfce version please
• 3889[21:10:20] <pharpend> jmcnaught: I ran into that exact problem =p
• 3890[21:10:30] <pharpend> terrible: the dvd has xfce available I think
• 3891[21:10:45] <pharpend> terrible: you select one of several desktop environments (or, no desktop environment)
• 3892[21:11:23] <jmcnaught> pharpend: the install manual has a chapter about dealing with missing firmwares (i think this is what you mean by proprietary drivers). have you read the install manual?
• 3893[21:11:25] <terrible> pharpend: ok but the link you just send me doesnt work
• 3894[21:11:53] <pharpend> jmcnaught: I haven't
• 3895[21:12:09] <jmcnaught> pharpend: could be why you had trouble then
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• 3897[21:12:50] <pharpend> terrible: does BitTorrent work for you? It's often faster than a normal HTTP/FTP download
• 3898[21:13:21] <pharpend> jmcnaught: Everything is installed now, so *shrug*
• 3899[21:13:23] <terrible> pharpend: yes i have deluge torrent
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• 3901[21:13:54] <pharpend> terrible: replaced-url
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• 3903[21:14:14] <pharpend> terrible: and also the checksums if you want to verify the image
• 3904[21:14:19] <jmcnaught> pharpend: you still might want to familiarize yourself with it if you're going to be offering installation advice
• 3905[21:14:27] <pharpend> jmcnaught: good idea =p
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• 3909[21:15:10] <terrible> pharpend: ok thanks
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• 3918[21:19:29] <pasturesofplenty> when i try to apt-get upgrade my kernel it complains because it wants to execute something from /tmp... i intentionally moutn /tmp noexec... is there a way around this besides remounting?
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• 3921[21:19:41] <Humie> which package manager does unattended updates use? dpkg ?
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• 3928[21:21:41] <trysten> After upgrading to Jessie, SysV and dependency based booting, I can't boot. I'm fairly certain this is because an LVM check is failing. How do I begin to configure the boot services?
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• 3937[21:23:32] <rotopman> fuck the traitors of debian
• 3938[21:23:40] <rotopman> fuck debian and choose devuan
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• 3940[21:24:03] <rotopman> debian is losers fuck debian
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• 3950[21:26:41] <jmcnaught> Humie: replaced-url
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• 3956[21:27:59] <jmcnaught> trysten: have you tried a recovery mode boot from the grub menu, or a rescue mode boot from a debian installer? any clues from logs?
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• 3962[21:30:44] <trysten> jmcnaught: no, no, yes. journalctl -xb (as suggested by the recovery text) shows obvious failing when trying to assemble the VG. I'm fairly certain if I could just remove this from the boot sequence I would be fine
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• 3969[21:32:14] <jmcnaught> trysten: how are you seeing logs if the boot fails? also i thought you said you were using sysv, are you sure it's not systemd if journalctl is working?
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• 3976[21:33:58] <trysten> jmcnaught: apologies. I upgraded from SysV to systemd. The boot fails but it does give me the recovery console (Enter root password for maintence)
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• 3983[21:35:03] <trysten> darn it! the PV that was missing from the volume group magically came back online and the system booted
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• 3988[21:36:39] <jmcnaught> trysten: well, probably worth looking into where that PV went for its vacation
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• 3994[21:37:59] <trysten> jmcnaught: definitely! moreover, the system definitely needs to boot in absence of the PV. How do I begin editing the boot protocol? is it just the /etc/init.d scripts?
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• 3999[21:39:07] <jmcnaught> trysten: this VG, does it hold the root filesystem?
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• 4003[21:39:29] <trysten> jmcnaught: course not :P it's effectively empty
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• 4007[21:40:28] <jmcnaught> trysten: systemd is backwards compatible with init scripts but also uses its on service units. you can read about those in "man systemd.unit" and "man systemd.service".
• 4008[21:40:28] <Dunams> suddenly I can't open anything from su
• 4009[21:40:33] <Dunams> ** (nautilus:29545): WARNING **: Could not open X display
• 4010[21:40:37] <Dunams> what's this about?
• 4011[21:40:40] <greycat> Well duh.
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• 4013[21:40:43] <greycat> !sux
• 4014[21:40:43] <dpkg> sux was a utility for running X apps as a different user but is no longer in Debian; ask me about <gksu> and <root x> for alternatives. Documentation for sux is at replaced-url
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• 4016[21:40:50] <greycat> !root x
• 4017[21:40:51] <dpkg> If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>! (For wheezy, you can also try <sux>)
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• 4020[21:41:19] <greycat> Nautilus is one of those fucking gnome things, isn't it? Why would you even try to run that as root?
• 4021[21:41:29] <jmcnaught> trysten: check "systemd.mount" for options you can include in /etc/fstab like nofail, noauto
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• 4023[21:42:26] <Dunams> greycat, nautilus is also in cinnamon, but yeah
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• 4032[21:46:06] <jmcnaught> Dunams: you shouldn't need or want to run Nautilus or any other GUI filemanager as root. What are you really trying to do?
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• 4035[21:47:10] <Dunams> jmcnaught, replacing the grub background image :3, but I did it from shell though
• 4036[21:47:20] <Dunams> jmcnaught, what's wrong with running those as root though?
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• 4039[21:47:51] <pthreat> How do I re run debian's console setup once I have installed debian. What's the command
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• 4045[21:49:40] <Ballo> Hi guys. I have a really weird problem. Basically I have two programs which when I pipe them together there is a huge delay, but when I run them separately there is no delay (I get the same output)
• 4046[21:49:45] <Ballo> command 1: cat /tmp/tmp.dot|dot -Tsvg command 2: cat /tmp/tmp.svg |xsltproc notugly.xsl - command combo: cat /tmp/tmp.dot|dot -Tsvg |xsltproc notugly.xsl -
• 4047[21:49:53] <Ballo> The combo causes a 6 second delay :(
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• 4049[21:50:11] <Ballo> Anyone have a suggestion on how to fix this?
• 4050[21:50:38] <jmcnaught> Dunams: it's dangerous, and a bad habit. it's not always clear which GUI window has root permissions.
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• 4056[21:51:52] <Dunams> jmcnaught, dangerous as in I might accidentally delete some system files?
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• 4058[21:52:50] <petemc> Ballo: could be waiting for a buffer to fill up, try putting unbuffer in there
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• 4063[21:53:18] <Parrhesiastes> ive installed a new printer and it seems to be working good, but when i open the front panel to place an envelope there, it complains its the wrong size ... im using this to pring: lp -o media=Custom.11x22cm,ENV,MANUAL /tmp/konvdone.pdf
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• 4069[21:54:53] <solix> I'd like to ask a short question: Is it ok if I upgrade from the provided package to Opera 36 on jessie?
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• 4072[21:55:13] <solix> I mean the package from Opera, not from the repos.
• 4073[21:55:26] <jmcnaught> solix: you'd have to ask them
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• 4077[21:56:21] <solix> jmcnaught Indeed, and it's only beta. Anyone maybe any experiences with it?
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• 4079[21:56:32] <jelly> solix: debian never provided any opera package, so they can't really know what might happen
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• 4082[21:57:19] <Dunams> *megusta* kde:)
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• 4090[21:58:45] <solix> jelly Well, version 12 seems to run ok. At worst I could just remove the upgraded package, if it does not work out... I just like testing browsers, like vivaldi, brave, pale moon, etc.
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• 4095[21:59:41] <solix> Brave was really interesting, but it's also beta, no extensions, so not useable yet.
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• 4098[22:01:29] <jmcnaught> solix: you could chat about browsers that aren't in Debian in #debian-offtopic I support, but this place is for Debian tech support :)
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• 4100[22:01:30] <cableninja> AFternoon guys, I'm trying to install a specific php version (5.3.14), but I'm having problems locating packages. I've been digging in the debian snapshots looking for this version, but I havent had any success. Is there a search on snapshot.debian.org that I'm not aware of? I've also checked dotdeb and they do not have the version available either. I'd prefer not to build from source for obvious reasons
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• 4102[22:02:42] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Should I reformat my new USB drive before I copy my files onto it? If so, what do I use to do it?
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• 4106[22:03:18] <jmcnaught> cableninja: squeeze had php 5.3 if i recall correctly. why do you need this old unsupported version anyways?
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• 4109[22:03:48] <cableninja> jmcnaught, maintaining a legacy site
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• 4112[22:04:40] <cableninja> Dev needs to work on it, need to stand up a dev env for the site
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• 4117[22:05:46] <jmcnaught> cableninja: and the site doesn't work at all on php 5.6 or php 5.4?
• 4118[22:06:22] <cableninja> jmcnaught, not allowed to test or find out at the moment
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• 4123[22:07:21] <amcorreia> anyone recommend a good gateway for anti-spam/vírus?
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• 4129[22:08:18] <jmcnaught> cableninja: running it on squeeze (but not in production) is the best advice i can provide.
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• 4161[22:19:24] <fernando> Hello is someone here_
• 4162[22:19:26] <fernando> ??
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• 4164[22:20:00] <fernando> I am having some issues with my audio and i am a little bit desperate already :(
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• 4179[22:23:34] <MaBunny> wait for responce
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• 4184[22:24:09] <MaBunny> you need to hone your meditation powers
• 4185[22:24:15] <MaBunny> :D
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• 4190[22:24:57] <digdilem_> fernando, just ask your question
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• 4316[22:29:05] <fernando> Hi, thanks. Yeah well, i installed debian yesterday. But my audio isnt working at all. It seems it has something to do with my laptop. Its a Asus N552VX-FY103T. It has an special audio system by ICEpower (Bang & Olufsen Technology). I've tried many solutions involving alsa und pulseaudio. None of them have worked.
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• 4391[22:32:13] <sendq> hi
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• 4395[22:32:32] <sendq> does anyone know how I can make my bluetooth headset visible to pulseaudio as an input device?
• 4396[22:32:32] <MaBunny> fernando wait for help it will seriously come...and if it doesnt come then try to elaborate a bit more :)
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• 4398[22:32:40] <sendq> I can use it as output device but not input
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• 4414[22:36:13] <fernando> Thanks. Im trying to solve the issue by myself. But I would really appreciate any help. If you need some output or something please let me know.
• 4415[22:36:33] <lurkAsh3> hi all I want to experience a new distro. what do you guys like about debian?
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• 4419[22:37:01] <greycat> Start by saying what the actual issue is. Do you have no audio at all? Are there error messages? Since it's a hardware issue, try to find the device in "lspci -nn" and paste the relevant line, which includes the PCI ID.
• 4420[22:37:17] <lurkAsh3> I failed installing gentoo so I am here
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• 4426[22:38:02] <Lady_Aleena> fernando, I have a question too. Be patient and specific in your issue.
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• 4431[22:40:04] <fernando> There is no sound at all. I've installed Debian yesterday. No, there are no error messages. As I see into pavucontrol, the output seems to work when I select HDMI output as audio hardware (I am not using HDMI). When I use the default audio output, the bar just doesnt move. In any case, there is no sound at all.
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• 4434[22:40:51] <TomTomTosch> Lady_Aleena: are you looking for a GUI tool for formatting your usb drive? GParted is probably the most popular one.
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• 4439[22:41:31] <fernando> Relevant Result of lspci -nn -> 00:1f.3 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:a170] (rev 31)
• 4440[22:41:37] <MaBunny> Lady_Aleena: if you want then you can also try mkfs
• 4441[22:42:14] <MaBunny> you hav to man help or search the internet but i can also tell you how to do so
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• 4443[22:42:37] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, I don't know what I'm looking for. The last time I used GParted, I lost the use of a USB drive. I'm trying to first decide if I should reformat the SanDisk USB drive which is preformatted for Windows.
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• 4450[22:44:01] <Lady_Aleena> MaBunny, I'll read the man.
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• 4452[22:44:41] <TomTomTosch> Lady_Aleena: sure, doesn't hurt. if you lost complete use of your drive last time, there was probably something wrong with the hardware to begin with.
• 4453[22:44:41] <greycat> fernando: have you un-muted every channel you can find?
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• 4455[22:45:00] <MaBunny> good for you :)
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• 4458[22:45:53] <fernando> greycat: yeah, i unmuted everything through alsamixer, pavucontrol... tried different ways to check if something was muted or without volume.
• 4459[22:46:20] <MaBunny> if its your primary drive then hav it on ext4 or ext2....not fat
• 4460[22:46:30] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, so reformat the drive, then mount it, then copy my home dir onto it, then reboot my computer (since my last update).
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• 4462[22:46:52] <Lady_Aleena> MaBunny, it is a USB drive where I'm planning on backing my files up to.
• 4463[22:46:52] <greycat> I don't know then. If the application appears to be playing audio, but no sound is coming out, and no errors, then it's usually channel volume/mute settings. Or the speakers aren't on. Or the wires aren't plugged in the right place.
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• 4465[22:47:14] <Lady_Aleena> MaBunny, (secondary backup).
• 4466[22:47:16] <fernando> greycat: it works perfectly on windows 10
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• 4470[22:47:27] <MaBunny> well Lady_Aleena...my system is on a 16 gb usb drive
• 4471[22:47:37] <greycat> ,pciid 8086:a170
• 4472[22:47:38] <judd> [8086:a170] is 'Sunrise Point-H HD Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
• 4473[22:47:38] <MaBunny> ;D
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• 4475[22:48:02] <Lady_Aleena> MaBunny, I still use a big tower as my computer.
• 4476[22:48:44] <MaBunny> haha i kno but i also hav a 1 tb hard disk as a storage drive
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• 4478[22:48:56] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch and MaBunny, so basically I can flip a coin as to whether or not I reformat the drive.
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• 4481[22:49:17] <greycat> If you're backing up only Linux to it, not Windows to it, I would reformat as ext4.
• 4482[22:49:19] <TomTomTosch> Lady_Aleena: if it's for backing up your files you will want to use a linux filesystem that retains permissions. ext4 is usually a good pick.
• 4483[22:49:39] <MaBunny> well if you reformat a hard disk 4 or 5 times then it definitely flips down
• 4484[22:49:45] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, I may want this drive to be usable on a Windows computer too.
• 4485[22:49:53] <MaBunny> it happened to me once
• 4486[22:50:09] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: oh, that complicates it.
• 4487[22:50:12] <MaBunny> tht wont be able once you format it
• 4488[22:50:15] <TomTomTosch> Lady_Aleena: then use tar for your backups to keep permissions.
• 4489[22:50:34] <greycat> Or split the partition and have half NTFS/FAT and half ext4.
• 4490[22:50:41] <TomTomTosch> or that :D
• 4491[22:50:41] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, will Windows recognize tar files?
• 4492[22:50:57] <greycat> Winzip can extract .tar.gz
• 4493[22:50:57] <TomTomTosch> Lady_Aleena: sure, it's an open standard.
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• 4495[22:51:01] <MaBunny> 7zip will
• 4496[22:51:08] <markybob> peazip is free
• 4497[22:51:22] <MaBunny> 7z
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• 4500[22:51:42] <Lady_Aleena> The files themselves may be transferred between this singular Debian computer and my several Windows computers.
• 4501[22:51:53] <greycat> Backing up with tar.gz to a FAT file system so that you can read them on Windows is just a horribly painful alternative to rsyncing to an ext4 partition.
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• 4503[22:52:34] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, Do you think Windows XP can read ext4?
• 4504[22:52:47] <greycat> Not out of the box, that's for sure.
• 4505[22:53:01] <greycat> There may be something you can install to make that happen, but I wouldn't know.
• 4506[22:53:01] <MaBunny> Lady_Aleena youj can install debian on a 64 gb drive for instance and hav a 1/2 tb drive for storage :)
• 4507[22:53:10] <MaBunny> *you
• 4508[22:53:11] <markybob> there used to be a ext2 read-only driver for windows
• 4509[22:53:17] <greycat> How important is it for you to read your Linux backups from a Windows system?
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• 4513[22:53:41] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, somewhat, especially the music and picture files.
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• 4515[22:54:13] <greycat> Maybe you should back those up separately onto the FAT/NTFS half, and back up everything else onto the ext4 half.
• 4516[22:54:44] <Lady_Aleena> MaBunny, it is a 128 gb usb drive.
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• 4519[22:55:28] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, that would make rsync $HOME /dest a little more difficult.
• 4520[22:55:35] <sweettea> cant you just rsync to a windows box?
• 4521[22:55:36] <MaBunny> well...you could just put your pics/music to the hard drive and plug it to the windows computer
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• 4523[22:55:47] <Lady_Aleena> sweettea, um...
• 4524[22:55:55] <greycat> Or move the big data files out of $HOME.
• 4525[22:56:13] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, I don't have big data files, afaik.
• 4526[22:56:23] <greycat> Though I'm sure there's a way to tell rsync to skip files with such-and-such extensions, or such-and-such subdirs.
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• 4531[22:56:54] <Lady_Aleena> Are permissions in $HOME that important?
• 4532[22:57:16] <sweettea> oh, you want to preseve perms?
• 4533[22:57:24] <sweettea> preserve*
• 4534[22:57:32] <Lady_Aleena> sweettea, I don't know.
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• 4537[22:57:38] <fernando> W
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• 4541[22:59:44] <Lady_Aleena> So, if I want to preserve permissions, I have to reformat. If I don't care about permissions, reformatting is optional.
• 4542[23:00:05] <teraflops> you can rsync from/to windows, e.g cygwin exists
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• 4547[23:01:08] <Lady_Aleena> teraflops, when I transfer files to a Windows system, I just copy-n-paste.
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• 4550[23:02:49] <TomTomTosch> if you want to backup then linux fs + rsync is the way to go. what you want does not sound like a backup but just sharing files. copy them to a windows filesystem then, it's does not matter much.
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• 4553[23:04:03] <greycat> She seems to want to use the same device for both purposes. There may be too many purposes and not enough device.
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• 4555[23:04:40] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: windows has an optional ext2/3/4 driver you can download, so you can read files form linux in windows.
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• 4560[23:04:58] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I would be careful how it is configured if writing (to make sure permissions get written correctly)
• 4561[23:05:14] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I say that becuase I don't have much experience with the windows ext2/3/4 driver
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• 4566[23:06:22] <Lady_Aleena> brb
• 4567[23:06:54] <teraflops> Lady_Aleena: I dont think you _preserve_ permission copying files to a fat32 usb stick
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• 4579[23:10:01] <somiaj> though with uid=,gid=, you can pretened to save permissions if the main thing is ensuring ownership and read/write by main user.
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• 4581[23:10:17] <somiaj> (all have to be the same though)
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• 4609[23:12:36] <Lady_Aleena> Here's where I'm at. Last night I updated my system after a long time. I should reboot. Now, if something goes terribly wrong, I want to have my $HOME directory saved elsewhere so I can restore it if necessary. I have a USB drive which is formatted for Windows systems. I don't know whether I should reformat the drive so I can use it to restore my $HOME directory. Anything else is optional right now.
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• 4622[23:14:21] <Lady_Aleena> So, if having the files in a Windows file system will hurt my ability to restore $HOME, then I will reformat the drive.
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• 4625[23:15:51] <Lady_Aleena> I just need to know which file system my hard drive is now (I can't remember how to find that out.), so I know which file system I need on the USB drive.
• 4626[23:16:11] <markybob> doesn't matter. just make it ext4
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• 4628[23:16:34] <markybob> (btw it's df -T)
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• 4631[23:17:15] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, what is df -T?
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• 4634[23:17:34] <markybob> the command that tells you what filesystem types are mounted
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• 4639[23:19:21] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, thanks. It looks like it is ext4, so I should format the USB to ext4 for best compatibility.
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• 4642[23:20:16] <TomTomTosch> ext4 is fine.
• 4643[23:20:54] <Lady_Aleena> Now, how to do it...
• 4644[23:21:10] <Lady_Aleena> ...fast(ish).
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• 4646[23:21:35] <TomTomTosch> GParted for example. or the partition manager in kde if you are using that.
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• 4650[23:22:52] <Lady_Aleena> ACK! I almost forgot my password and gparted needed it for some reason.
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• 4652[23:24:38] <Lady_Aleena> Formatting with GParted.
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• 4659[23:27:05] <Lady_Aleena> OT: Kitten has found the mouse to paw of the desk.
• 4660[23:27:41] <TomTomTosch> kittens are never ot.
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• 4668[23:31:12] <Lady_Aleena> Now to copy/rsync $HOME to the drive.
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• 4672[23:31:56] <markybob> rsync -aP foo dest
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• 4681[23:35:05] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, what's wrong with rsync -vrhit --progress?
• 4682[23:35:40] <markybob> nothing. -a pretty much does everything. i don't care. do what makes you happy :P
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• 4684[23:36:17] <Lady_Aleena> -a looks like archive. Do I want an archive?
• 4685[23:36:52] <markybob> it doesn't make a tar if that's what you're thinking of.
• 4686[23:37:03] <markybob> basically it sets it to backup mode
• 4687[23:37:09] <cafuego> equals -rlptgoD (no -H,-A,-X)
• 4688[23:37:27] <Lady_Aleena> cafuego, I saw in the man. I'm looking up what all that means now.
• 4689[23:37:39] <cafuego> Basically, "make a copy"
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• 4696[23:40:19] <Lady_Aleena> I can't find what -t is. rsync's man has two -T but not -t.
• 4697[23:40:39] <cafuego> -t, --times preserve modification times
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• 4700[23:41:40] <Lady_Aleena> Okeydokey, I want -a then. 8)
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• 4702[23:42:24] <cafuego> less typing > more typing
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• 4709[23:44:30] <Lady_Aleena> So, rsync -avhi then.
• 4710[23:45:15] <cafuego> maybe
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• 4715[23:45:47] * cafuego suspects that printing out each item atually slows it down, so I often leave off verbose.
• 4716[23:46:09] <cafuego> and it's not as if I'm going to check the outout for 40,000 files
• 4717[23:46:16] <Lady_Aleena> rsync -avhi --progress $HOME /media/me/home_backup
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• 4719[23:46:41] <Lady_Aleena> Look good?
• 4720[23:46:49] <TomTomTosch> sure.
• 4721[23:47:29] <Lady_Aleena> permission denied?! What?!
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• 4723[23:48:02] <Lady_Aleena> Did I have to chmod the USB drive first?
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• 4726[23:48:57] <Lady_Aleena> error: rsync: recv_generator: mkdir "/media/me/home_backup/me" failed: Permission denied (13)
• 4727[23:49:27] <markybob> you do need to own the dest dir
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• 4729[23:49:29] <sweettea> user you are rsyncing ass has no perms on mountoint
• 4730[23:49:35] <sweettea> p
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• 4732[23:50:15] <Lady_Aleena> Permissions are such a pain in the !@#.
• 4733[23:50:29] <HelloShitty> Does anyone knows why when I use the command "clear | xxd" to get the chars sequence to use in the console it's not working?
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• 4735[23:50:44] <Lady_Aleena> sudo chmod 777 /media/me/home_backup then?
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• 4739[23:51:09] <HelloShitty> I mean I get some characters, but if I use them in C or python to clear the console window, they doesn't work
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• 4741[23:52:27] <Lady_Aleena> Or just sudo rsync.
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• 4743[23:52:52] <andril> hello
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• 4746[23:53:06] <markybob> really doesn't matter. there's a million ways. pick one
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• 4749[23:53:33] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, no objections to me chmod 777? Usually people get upset with that permission.
• 4750[23:53:44] <Lady_Aleena> s/me/my/;
• 4751[23:53:48] <markybob> it's a usb backup stick
• 4752[23:53:51] <markybob> doesn't matter
• 4753[23:54:18] <markybob> if you want to do it proper you'd chown then chmod to something like 755
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• 4755[23:54:50] <markybob> for this use...really...no one cares
• 4756[23:55:08] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, I'd like to do it as properly as I can.
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• 4762[23:55:54] <markybob> sudo chown user:user dest; chmod 755 dest
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• 4765[23:56:15] * Lady_Aleena has not used chown before.
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• 4768[23:57:30] <Lady_Aleena> And it is hard to concentrate with a kitten biting me.
• 4769[23:57:56] <TomTomTosch> bite back :>
• 4770[23:58:02] <transhuman> hi can anyone tell me where the log for dmraid is (is it stored on the drives or in memory? I ask because I have an error which someone created a patch for (which I cant use ) that indicates the error occurs when the log is non empty (rebuild cant occur ) NOTE This bit of code is in redhat replaced-url
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• 4772[23:59:11] <Lady_Aleena> Oh GUH! I'm getting all of the trash too like browser caches!
• 4773[23:59:15] * Lady_Aleena face palm.
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