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0 [00:00:36] <awwal> Is there any tool I can use for fix apps windows size, DE/WM independent one, if possible ?
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15 [00:04:39] <teraflops> awwal: aren't windows resizable?
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21 [00:05:55] <teraflops> awwal: or you mean your device has low resoultion and apps does not fit the screen size?
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59 [00:10:53] <jhutchins> awwal: Some apps will take a geometry parameter on the command line.
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69 [00:12:06] <woshty> How can I have multiple users use the same sound device without pulse audio system mode?
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80 [00:15:51] <jhutchins> woshty: You can revive the OSS or alsa project for multi-use sound and see if you can get it working. Hardware level coding skills required.
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85 [00:16:18] <Circuitsoft> woshty: You could use precursers to pulseaudio, such as esd, but that's a difficult hack, and you really may as well use pulseaudio.
86 [00:16:21] <teraflops> woshty: external machine using pulseadio over tcp
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89 [00:17:37] <Rene> Good evering to all!
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96 [00:19:14] <awwal> teraflops, jhutchins, all fine here; I just have problems with 'chromium' and 'virtualbox' windows, they dont remember desktop position and windows size; I have to position and resize every time I launch them, no matters DE/WM I use
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101 [00:21:26] <teraflops> awwal: ahh
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121 [00:33:27] <iKarith> libdvdcss is free software. However due to American law, Debian cannot distribute it.
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124 [00:33:42] <iKarith> er whoa, I'm way in scrollback :)
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126 [00:34:22] <blind> heh
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222 [01:19:41] <notgry> regarding move to normal Firefox, would others be able to modify it in some way and use the name/logo in a Debian derivative, or needs permission from Mozilla?
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250 [01:30:55] <arahael> notgry: that, in a nutshell, is what led to iceweasel.
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260 [01:33:31] <notgry> If we are switching to Firefox, this is still a problem though, right?
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262 [01:33:51] <stew> you should be asking mozilla about this
263 [01:33:56] <stew> thye have been inconsistent
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265 [01:34:40] <stew> debian used to not be allowed to use the trademark on modified software, at the same time, they were clearly letting downstream distros take the same modifications and put the trademarks back in
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267 [01:35:04] <stew> now they are specifically lettting debian distribute the marks, but this doens't give anyone else any right to, afaik
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272 [01:36:40] <notgry> That's my understanding too. I would put firefox in non-free and leave iceweasel in free.
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279 [01:38:13] <arahael> notgry: it's a bit more complicated than that. this isn't a copyright issue. it's a branding/trademark issue.
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291 [01:50:45] <bipul> How to know the types of package ? single binary, indep binary, multiple binary, library, kernel module, kernel patch?
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294 [01:52:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> stew, from what I read of the discussion of this, there is no "special dispension" for debian and the changes it makes...
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304 [01:54:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> hmp. can't remember where I read on it and we have no factoid.... damn. should make a factoid when one reads something
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311 [01:56:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> ah, it was the bug. thought so
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316 [01:58:34] <kevin__> could anyone help me disable the framebuffer console on boot for debian?
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318 [01:58:53] <nitenq> hi, I have a vm with a webapp on port 80 running on a debian. How can I redirect this port from the vm to my debian ?
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327 [02:00:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> notgry, bug #815006 .. the numbering is a bit weird, but from ca. msg 30 on (specially 40)
328 [02:00:15] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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330 [02:01:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> and 60
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343 [02:06:04] <brigo> nitenq, nat using iptables.
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345 [02:07:01] <TomTomTosch> kevin__: in /etc/default/grub there is a line with 'Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)'. is that what you are looking for?
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347 [02:07:14] <nitenq> brigo: I’m like super new to linux I have no idea what you’re talking about
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349 [02:08:09] <brigo> nitenq, nework address translation using iptables (netfilter tool), ask google. :)
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353 [02:08:49] <kevin__> TomTomTosch: yes I believe so! thanks a bunch
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357 [02:10:49] <TomTomTosch> kevin__: no problem. don't forget to update-grub afterwards.
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360 [02:11:28] <kevin__> TomTomTosch: wait nevermind, that did not solve the issue, the login prompt still showed up on the screen
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364 [02:12:50] <TomTomTosch> so you just want a black screen after boot until the DM starts?
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367 [02:14:14] <kevin__> yes, I don't want anything writing to /dev/fb0
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369 [02:14:25] <kevin__> like the framebuffer console does after boot
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392 [02:22:51] <andril> hello
393 [02:23:01] <jadz_> hi
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402 [02:27:31] <kevin__> TomTomTosch:any thoughts?
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404 [02:28:07] <fathomstory> Hey, I used a debian kde install disc and am trying to install software pn my desktop and it says I need Binary1 disc...is there a way I can install without that?
405 [02:28:28] <fathomstory> Or just reinstall
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407 [02:28:32] <TomTomTosch> kevin__: best i can come up with is this entry in the arch wiki, but i didn't test it. replaced-url
408 [02:28:51] <fathomstory> with another disc
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410 [02:29:43] <andril> hey jadz_ :)
411 [02:29:59] <jmcnaught> fathomstory: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list, comment out or remove the lines for the CDROM. Your file should look like the example on this page: replaced-url
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415 [02:31:31] <kevin__> TomTomTosch: hmm, this doesn't actually disable the framebuffer console though...
416 [02:32:18] <fathomstory> jmcnaught, Ahh, thank you!
417 [02:33:48] <halconanonimo_> EXIT
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420 [02:34:47] <jadz_> whats up man andril
421 [02:34:52] <awwal> fathomstory, you should have a sources.list example in /usr/share/doc/apt
422 [02:35:35] <awwal> ----» /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
423 [02:37:14] <awwal> I think that users in this channel should be pointed to that file; thats more easy to locate/copy/paste :)
424 [02:37:45] <jmcnaught> awwal: i guess so, it's missing jessie-updates though
425 [02:38:02] <jmcnaught> there's also a factoid
426 [02:38:11] <awwal> jmcnaught, correct; I was thinking in that mess
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439 [02:42:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> kevin__, what's the point of disabling it
440 [02:43:39] <kevin__> CutMeOwnThroat: I don't want anything writing to /dev/fb0 right after boot
441 [02:43:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> but why
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443 [02:44:48] <awwal> jmcnaught, apart 'clamav' and dont really which kind of pkgs are upgraded via stable-updates
444 [02:45:06] <kevin__> Well, I want to have my own animation run after the boot up process finishes
445 [02:45:12] <awwal> really know which ^
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447 [02:46:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> fbcon itself isn't compiled as a module in debian kernels, so it's there...
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449 [02:47:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> you could blacklist all modules under /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/video/fbdev/
450 [02:47:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> because fbcon needs at least one driver
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452 [02:47:45] <kevin__> wouldn't that just cause fbcon to just crash on boot as opposed to starting at all?
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454 [02:48:00] <kevin__> that seems a bit too hacky for what I want, I don't want it starting at all
455 [02:48:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> or of course the fun hackish solution would be to create /dev/fbcon with minor and major thingummy as that of /dev/null
456 [02:48:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> what do you mean with "crash"
457 [02:48:38] <TomTomTosch> you think it's a good idea to disable the frameboffer console just to have an animation?
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459 [02:49:14] <kevin__> by black listing the modules fbcon uses wouldn't fbcon just crash?
460 [02:49:14] <TomTomTosch> there is also plymouth for bootsplash.
461 [02:49:17] <CutMeOwnThroat> TomTomTosch, sheesh. hasn't the web taught you that looks are more important than content?
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463 [02:49:35] <CutMeOwnThroat> define "crash"
464 [02:49:37] <kevin__> well there's more to it than that
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466 [02:50:44] <kevin__> Like computers with gnome on it when the computer boots it doesn't transition into a black and white login screen (aka bash login) it goes right ahead and goes into the gnome login screen
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468 [02:51:05] <kevin__> I want something like this, do you see?
469 [02:51:26] <TomTomTosch> so you want a displaymanager.
470 [02:51:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> I never boot my machines, so I can't
471 [02:52:14] <kevin__> I'm not exactly sure what it's called, I just don't want the login prompt to show up on booting my computer
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473 [02:52:31] <kevin__> I want my own framebuffer based application to start
474 [02:52:34] <TomTomTosch> kevin__: install lightdm or kdm or gdm.
475 [02:53:30] <TomTomTosch> you want your own framebuffer based application to start? that does not compute.
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481 [02:55:03] <kevin__> Like, a framebuffer application, like an application that draws graphics to dev/fb0
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483 [02:55:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> sounds like an appliance with one program in the foreground that doesn't even use X
484 [02:55:42] <kevin__> yes, it doesn't use x at all
485 [02:56:03] <TomTomTosch> right...
486 [02:56:24] <kevin__> so how might I go about this? is there something I'm missing?
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488 [02:57:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> pre-systemd, I'd have said that is a job for inittab
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490 [02:57:49] <kevin__> that's what I thought as well, but I can't seem to find inittab in /etc
491 [02:57:55] <kevin__> or anywhere for that matter
492 [02:58:03] <kevin__> on debian
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494 [02:58:57] <jmcnaught> awwal: the fix for xscreensaver without the warning about being outdated in in jessie-updates
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497 [02:59:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> no, systemd replaced that
498 [02:59:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> at least I think so
499 [02:59:25] <kevin__> systemd? how do I modify that?
500 [03:00:18] <moop> why does debian immediately launch all the services i install
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503 [03:02:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> moop, because you wouldn't install them if you didn't want to use them?
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506 [03:04:31] <moop> eh it's just weird
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508 [03:05:07] <moop> like you'd assume someone who installs a http server or a database would want to configure it first before launching
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511 [03:05:32] <markybob> no. i'd want to test that it works first. get the "it's up" page
512 [03:06:19] <moop> that's also a plausible scenario
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521 [03:08:35] <CutMeOwnThroat> kevin__, that describes how the VT consoles are brought up replaced-url
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523 [03:09:16] <jmcnaught> kevin__: what are you trying to do exactly?
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527 [03:09:41] <kevin__> CutMeOwnThroat: I'll give it a read
528 [03:09:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> kevin__, /var/replaced-url
529 [03:10:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> err
530 [03:10:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> moop, ^^
531 [03:10:06] <kevin__> jmcnaught: I really just want control over the screen (specifically fb0
532 [03:10:28] <jmcnaught> kevin__: so you have some program that uses the framebuffer that you want to start at boot?
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536 [03:12:01] <kevin__> jmcnaught: well yes, but there are a few more features I need. Forexample I noticed that whenever the computer falls asleep and wakes back up I see the framebuffer console written ontop of my graphics. I also notice that all keyboard input still also goes to the console.
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543 [03:12:31] <kevin__> I figured the best solution was to stop the framebuffer console all together
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545 [03:13:29] <jmcnaught> kevin__: is this your program, or something you could share a link to?
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547 [03:14:45] <kevin__> jmcnaught: yes this is my program, but as a proof of concept here is a link to something similar: replaced-url
548 [03:15:32] <kevin__> The difference being that my program continues looping, only updates pixels on the screen when needed
549 [03:15:47] <kevin__> updating*
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552 [03:17:17] <jmcnaught> kevin__: does your program take keyboard input?
553 [03:17:26] <kevin__> yes it does
554 [03:18:04] <kevin__> also the cursor blinks too on the terminal. Like I said before there are many issues the framebuffer console is causing me
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560 [03:22:36] <kevin__> jmcnaught: any thoughts? Thanks so much for the help!
561 [03:23:14] <jmcnaught> kevin__: you could try "systemctl disable getty@tty1.service"
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564 [03:23:53] <jmcnaught> kevin__: and look in /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants for any others
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569 [03:26:02] <kevin__> test
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571 [03:26:23] <kevin__> this file -> /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants is empty
572 [03:26:32] <jmcnaught> kevin__: check which target you're booting into with 'systemctl get-default', and look into removing getty.target as a dependency of that target
573 [03:26:37] <kevin__> but I tried the command you suggested and I think it worked!
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575 [03:27:25] <kevin__> systemctl get-default printed this: graphical.target
576 [03:27:56] <jmcnaught> kevin__: might be more sensible to make your own target based on multi-user.target
577 [03:28:28] <kevin__> jmcnaught: what exactly is a target?
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579 [03:29:08] <jmcnaught> kevin__: "man systemd.target" it's what replaces the concept of runlevels in systemd. it's a unit type that depends on other units
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581 [03:30:20] <kevin__> jmcnaught: but is this command not enough to accomplish what I want? "systemctl disable getty@tty1.service"
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583 [03:30:54] <jmcnaught> kevin__: i've never done what you're trying to accomplish
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587 [03:31:45] <kevin__> jmcnaught: that command essentially stops getty@tty1 from starting on boot, isn't that exactly what I want?
588 [03:31:58] <kevin__> I tried it and the results don't look bad
589 [03:32:16] <jmcnaught> well that's progress i guess. you probably still have tty2 available too
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592 [03:33:25] <kevin__> Thank you so much for your help man, I really appreciate it!
593 [03:33:55] <jmcnaught> kevin__: you're welcome
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616 [03:47:59] <linuxfool> Is anyone using i3 with their debian install?
617 [03:48:57] <TomTomTosch> linuxfool: someone will.
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620 [03:49:40] <dvs> linuxfool, but even if they don't, they may be able to help you.
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624 [03:51:07] <linuxfool> Okay, I was wondering which version I should download. Is there something between the straight mininal CLI version and the full blown desktop version? Like something that has network configurations and sound already configured but no DE or WM provided?
625 [03:51:22] <linuxfool> Or would it be better to simply download a desktop version and just never use the provided DE?
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628 [03:51:39] <dvs> linuxfool, the desktop and CLI versions are the same installer.
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632 [03:52:48] <linuxfool> Thanks dvs. Is there a point in the installation where it asks what DE you'd like to install? And that part can be skipped?
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635 [03:53:37] <TomTomTosch> linuxfool: that's taskel. you can untick gnome and desktop environment.
636 [03:53:42] <dvs> linuxfool, yes, there is a part of the installer that says "Desktop Environment". That is a desktop environment. Deselect that and you won't get a GUI environment
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641 [03:55:31] <linuxfool> Thanks TomTomTosch and dvs. Will I need to go into my config file and make sure X starts when I boot because I've selected not to have a GUI but added one after the fact?
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644 [03:56:05] <dvs> linuxfool, you can install a desktop after the system is installed.
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646 [03:56:38] <TomTomTosch> linuxfool: if you install a DM you will not have to configure anything. if you want to call i3 without, you will have to start x manually.
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648 [03:57:11] <linuxfool> Right, but will X start automatically after I install one becuase it wasn't installed during the time the distro was intalled?
649 [03:57:28] <linuxfool> okay TomTomTosch, that's what I wanted to know
650 [03:57:56] <linuxfool> but I can go into config and have i3 start automatically everytime?
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652 [03:58:32] <dvs> linuxfool, you can install or uninstall a desktop manager if you want to start it automatically or not.
653 [03:59:06] <linuxfool> sorry dvs, I was misreading what you said as desktop environment, my mistake
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656 [03:59:37] <linuxfool> Time to do homework on desktop managers, then
657 [03:59:46] <dvs> linuxfool, they are two different things: a desktop environment and a desktop manager.
658 [03:59:53] <linuxfool> Got it dvs
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661 [04:00:31] <linuxfool> Any suggested lightweight DMs, dvs or TomTomTosch ?
662 [04:00:39] <TomTomTosch> lightdm :P
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666 [04:02:11] <TomTomTosch> or slim.
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670 [04:03:42] <TomTomTosch> lightdm is what i like to use.
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672 [04:05:24] <k_sze[work]> Has anybody experienced an issue where, when multiple NFS paths are defined for autofs, autofs mounts the wrong volume onto the wrong mount point?
673 [04:06:00] <linuxfool> Thanks everyone
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677 [04:06:25] <k_sze[work]> It happens occasionally on our machine, running Debian 8.1.
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726 [04:49:48] <gregf> is there a netboot=http option instead of serving files over nfs?
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738 [04:58:25] <Nakitominoyashi> :-D
739 [04:58:44] <mbnt> Hi, installed debian on my laptop and have no audio
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747 [05:00:49] <TomTomTosch> mbnt: checked if all audio levels are up in pavucontrol?
748 [05:00:57] <dvs> !alsa checklist
749 [05:00:57] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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752 [05:01:31] <mbnt> TomTomTosch, Where is pavucontrol?
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754 [05:01:49] <markybob> mbnt: apt-get install it then just type pavucontrol
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757 [05:03:27] <mbnt> I installed pavucontrol but it says connection refused
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764 [05:04:58] <mbnt> replaced-url
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766 [05:05:41] <markybob> mbnt: right. run it as a regular user
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768 [05:06:02] <markybob> mbnt: menu->run program
769 [05:06:50] <mbnt> connection to pulseaudio failed
770 [05:06:53] <mbnt> as user
771 [05:06:58] <mbnt> reboot?
772 [05:07:04] <markybob> do you use pulseaudio?
773 [05:07:17] <mbnt> I will use anything that gives me audio
774 [05:07:28] <markybob> what version of debian are you using?
775 [05:07:29] <mbnt> I will use dog shit and smear it on the cpu if I have to
776 [05:08:06] <Javabean> i don't think it would be a good thermal compound
777 [05:08:07] <mbnt> apt-get install dogshit
778 [05:08:10] <dvs> O_O
779 [05:08:18] <markybob> okay. nevermind. i'm gone
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781 [05:08:37] <mbnt> Debian 8
782 [05:08:47] <mbnt> is what I am using, 64 bits, AMD
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786 [05:11:36] <arahael> mbnt: You should relax and try answering questions. Rebooting is rarely a solution.
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789 [05:12:32] <Javabean> rebooting is only a valid solution on that other OS... the one with window pains in its logo
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1299 [10:18:49] <k_sze[work]> Is it crazy to have like 8000+ autofs entries?
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1311 [10:22:20] <jelly> k_sze[work]: server or workstation?
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1317 [10:23:31] <k_sze[work]> But I'll pretty much never mount all of them at once.
1318 [10:23:44] <k_sze[work]> probably only 10 at any given time.
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1474 [11:53:26] <luichi> hello
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1476 [11:54:01] <luichi> is this package replaced-url
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1478 [11:55:24] <luichi> the homepage in multiboot debian package doesnt work and this pacakge is too old
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1481 [11:57:30] <TomTomTosch> not sure what multibootusb is, but GNU multiboot is the latest version with 0.6.96
1482 [11:57:59] <luichi> TomTomTosch, but is for creating multiboot usb?
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1484 [11:58:17] <luichi> i want to create a multiboot usb and without doing it manually i only found (free and open source) yumi (replaced-url
1485 [11:58:46] <andykay_> I've tried yumi, works fine
1486 [11:59:24] <luichi> andykay_, i used it too long time ago
1487 [11:59:50] <andykay_> I used it just a couple of weeks ago
1488 [11:59:59] <luichi> but i think it will be a great idea to add them in debian packages
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1491 [12:00:26] <luichi> if multiboot (not multibootusb) is not for creating multiboot usb
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1494 [12:00:48] <shibly> Anyone there?
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1519 [12:08:54] <luichi> how can i request to add a package in debian?
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1523 [12:10:50] <gry> file a RFP bug with reportbug
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1531 [12:14:51] <devster31> if I had the choice between an init script that follows LSB conventions and one that is targeted more towarrds debian which should I prefer?
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1534 [12:16:07] <luichi> gry, ok thanks
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1537 [12:16:34] <gry> welcome & good luck with reporting and getting it done
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1561 [12:27:08] <joohoi> Hi, is there an resource I could consult in order to figure out how systemd file /etc/os-release (replaced-url
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1567 [12:28:56] <joohoi> This is related to finding out missing VERSION and VERSION_ID fields in Debian unstable
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1572 [12:33:11] <shibly> How can i use vpn on debian?
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1580 [12:35:26] <devster31> joohoi: does this help? replaced-url
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1582 [12:35:32] <Boloyankee> hey there, gnome weather is not updating, anyone with solution?
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1585 [12:37:25] <devster31> joohoi: os-release is one of the files included in the base-files package
1586 [12:37:37] <jpw> Hi does anyone know how to enable a pam module programatically through pam-auth-update? I want to do something like the following: pam-auth-update --package mkhomedir
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1589 [12:39:57] <joohoi> devster31: Ah sorry, maybe my question was a bit vague. My intrests are more in how VERSION, and VERSION_ID - fields are used in Debian. Because I found that they're missing in at least unstable, while they are in place in stable. It might be related to actual releases, and unstable being an rolling one, or so.
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1596 [12:45:44] <devster31> my bad, sorry, I don't really know the answer. as far as I know they're used only for stable versions and are searched by applications to identify which system they're running on, not by the OS itself. also since they're included in a package they're essentially hand-written by the devs
1597 [12:46:27] <hiya> What is the correct format for files to be played in CD players found in Cars? Does default Audio CD burner offered by Debian has function to covert Audio CD to it?
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1599 [12:47:06] <brigo> hiya, there is an application.
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1601 [12:47:21] <hiya> brigo, Which application is used for buring Audio CDs?
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1608 [12:48:18] <brigo> hiya, there is some of them. I like brasero (very simple). The cover creator application is: disc-cover
1609 [12:48:59] <Ticho> hiya: I'm 99% sure that answer to your question is yes, "audio cd" usually means exactly that - the standard format known as CD-DA
1610 [12:49:06] <hiya> But
1611 [12:49:17] <hiya> Would Brasero convert webm audio to CD-DA?
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1613 [12:49:45] <brigo> hiya, yes, of course.
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1615 [12:50:41] <hiya> brigo, Ok thanks
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1617 [12:50:56] <jpw> i've just read the code it appears pam-auth-update is interactive or nothing. foo
1618 [12:50:59] <brigo> hiya, np :)
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1629 [12:54:05] <hiya> brigo, how many tracks on AUDIO CD?
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1631 [12:55:16] <Ticho> up to 99, according to replaced-url
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1633 [12:56:15] <joohoi> devster31: thanks anyway, trying to help is much appreciated. i actually just sent and email to the base-files package maintainer about this issue.
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1635 [12:57:30] <Ticho> say my system has two sound cards, both driven by snd_hda_intel - is there a way to only have one of them active, and have the driver ignore the other?
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1660 [13:08:09] <hiexpo> slow connecting these last few days
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1663 [13:08:30] <cmtptr> so, having jessie-backports in my sources.list has made it so that I can't install wine properly from the jessie repo. is there a way to tell apt-get to ignore the backports repo temporarily for the purposes of installing wine? is that even something I want to do, or would I just see the same problem later when I try to upgrade?
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1667 [13:09:20] <towo^work> cmtptr, apt does not install anything from backports if you ton't tell it to apt
1668 [13:09:26] <towo^work> s/t/d
1669 [13:09:36] <cmtptr> I know
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1671 [13:09:51] <towo^work> so backports can't be the cause of your problem
1672 [13:10:00] <cmtptr> it can, and it is
1673 [13:10:17] <cmtptr> might be that some package was removed or renamed or something
1674 [13:10:30] <towo^work> only if you have packages from backports installed, which are also depends of wine
1675 [13:10:43] <towo^work> otherwise it's not possible
1676 [13:11:21] <towo^work> so why not installing wine from backports too?
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1678 [13:11:34] <cmtptr> because I don't want wine from backports
1679 [13:11:55] <cmtptr> I only wanted the kernel because I need 4.3 or greater to work on my laptop
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1681 [13:12:00] <towo^work> then show the real output of apt
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1689 [13:16:44] <cmtptr> towo^work, replaced-url
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1692 [13:17:45] <towo^work> cmtptr, then try apt install libwine:i386 and find out, what's the problem
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1695 [13:20:44] <cmtptr> towo^work, replaced-url
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1697 [13:22:18] <towo^work> so i would oracle, you have packages from backports, which are depends of wine too, but in a higher version than in jessie
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1701 [13:23:23] <cmtptr> the only packages I should have from backports are the kernel and a broadcom driver...
1702 [13:24:24] <towo^work> i would say, it's more, but you can tryinge deeper with apt install libglib2.0-0:i386
1703 [13:24:46] <cmtptr> I did that with -s, and it wanted to remove half my system to make it happen
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1709 [13:25:22] <dontknow> i activated the i386 repos and i want to disable it. how can i do that?
1710 [13:25:26] <cmtptr> can I list all packages installed from backports? if I have picked up something it was by mistake
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1712 [13:25:53] <towo^work> cmtptr, apt-cache policy libglib2.0-0:i386 libglib2.0-0 gives what?
1713 [13:26:19] <towo^work> dontknow, you have to purge all installed i396 packages and then you can disable multiarch
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1715 [13:26:34] <towo^work> *i386 packages
1716 [13:26:48] <dontknow> towo^work, how can i disable multiarch?
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1718 [13:27:06] <shibly> Is there any 32 bit google chrome for linux?
1719 [13:27:10] <cmtptr> towo^work, your crystal ball was correct: replaced-url
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1721 [13:27:13] <towo^work> dontknow, dpkg --remove-architecture i386
1722 [13:27:21] <dontknow> towo^work, thanks
1723 [13:27:27] <shibly> It's 64 bit here: replaced-url
1724 [13:27:37] <towo^work> cmtptr, so install libglib2.0-0:i386 from backports too
1725 [13:27:44] <towo^work> shibly, no
1726 [13:27:59] <shibly> towo^work, No for what?
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1729 [13:28:02] <towo^work> shibly, google has abadonned 32bit chrome
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1732 [13:28:12] <MaBunny> nickserv identify gandu
1733 [13:28:17] <towo^work> so ther is no googkle-chrome 32bit anymore
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1735 [13:29:21] <babilen> MaBunny: You might want to change that password and I would recommend to not perform this when in a channel, but only in a /query or just setup CertFP right away
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1737 [13:29:54] <MaBunny> yeah i got tht right
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1739 [13:30:35] <dontknow> towo^work, it gave me error says database still in use
1740 [13:30:36] <shibly> It's i686 GNU/Linux debian, will 64 bit chrome work on 32bit debian?
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1742 [13:30:59] <towo^work> shibly, why should it?
1743 [13:31:05] <dontknow> shibly, no
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1750 [13:34:03] <MaBunny> yeah changed password
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1758 [13:37:57] <cmtptr> towo^work, dang, from the apt history.log it looks like I got libglib2.0-0 from backports when I installed the wireless driver. thanks for your help!
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1761 [13:38:19] <cmtptr> and your suggestion worked
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1763 [13:39:16] <smev9> does your wired connection sometimes not work after reboot as well? have to click disconnect / connect to make it work
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1768 [13:40:25] <Guest60957> Hi.
1769 [13:41:37] <Guest60957> How do I change a kernel setting like CONFIG_CFS_BANDWIDTH? Right now I am looking at ./debian/config/config and I see such a line: # CONFIG_CFS_BANDWIDTH is not set.
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1774 [13:42:31] <babilen> dpkg: tell Guest60957 about kernel handbook
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1780 [13:43:50] <Guest60957> babilen, thanks but I don't want to go through whole handbook. I am guessing that I should just change it to CONFIG_CFS_BANDWIDTH=y and compile the kernal. I need a link to a short tutorial or commands.
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1786 [13:47:03] <babilen> I'm quoting from dpkg's message: "See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source."
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1788 [13:47:24] <babilen> Did you take a look at those chapters?
1789 [13:47:36] <shibly> cooldude, I will not use chrome 32 bit
1790 [13:47:42] <shibly> Sorry
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1792 [13:47:52] <shibly> coolmadmax, I will not use chrome 32 bit
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1796 [13:50:11] <Guest60957> babilen, yes, but it's too complicated for my hangovered head. Maybe I will give it a shot later. Thanks for input.
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1798 [13:50:59] <babilen> Fair enough
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1803 [13:53:21] <shakem> hi, does iceweasel support oss4? youtube videos does not play sound, but i can play music in mpv.
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1817 [14:00:21] <t4nk127> hi
1818 [14:00:30] <computer-user> hi
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1834 [14:08:07] <NDP> Hi, I have a problem with Debian 8.4 and video card radeon hd 7870 xt, on boot does not load the firmware even if I installed the firmware-linux-nonfree package
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1840 [14:11:02] <MarcL> I have upgraded Firefox to the new version 46.0 but the theme is totally black. Is it so to everyone or there is some issue with my pc?
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1856 [14:16:09] <zykotick9> MarcL: my firefox was updated to 46 today... working fine here... good luck.
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1874 [14:26:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi guys
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1877 [14:26:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am trying to fix my eepc
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1880 [14:26:41] <Eryn_1983_FL> cp /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/nvram-74b00bd9-805a-4d61-b51f-43268123d113 /lib/firmware/brcm/brcmfmac43340-sdio.txt trying to figure out why i dont for the first file in this copy..
1881 [14:26:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> it is a dir on my machine and the files dont see to have any data
1882 [14:28:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> and i get input output errors..
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1900 [14:37:53] <zykotick9> Eryn_1983_FL: if you are getting I/O errors while reading/writing to the drive, it might indicate the hard drive has "issues"... <- hopefully i'm wrong... good luck.
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1921 [14:48:19] <MaBunny> hey guys im buying a tablet and had been searching the net for the perfect one and
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1923 [14:48:45] <MaBunny> i wanted to install some linux version in it,probably Debian itself
1924 [14:49:07] <MaBunny> so do you guys,anyone of you have any experience with this stuff???
1925 [14:49:30] <arahael> MaBunny: meh. tablet formfactor makes for a lousey desktop.
1926 [14:50:07] <MaBunny> well,ill use it for a tablet itself,but with wireless keyboards and stuff
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1931 [14:50:55] <MaBunny> i browsed the website from which i buy things usually,but the one tablet i was looking for was not available now
1932 [14:51:01] <arahael> still sucky, but each to their own. it's a good approach if you need ultralight.
1933 [14:51:14] <MaBunny> ultralight???
1934 [14:51:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> zykotick9: nah it was not mounted right
1935 [14:51:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> fixed it but how do i figure out if it worked? i see no wlan0 in my interfaces, ifconfig has none either..
1936 [14:52:01] <arahael> MaBunny: lightweight.
1937 [14:52:09] <MaBunny> oh keah
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1939 [14:52:28] <MaBunny> yeah thts what i want though,or else
1940 [14:52:47] <MaBunny> i could anyways buy a laptop
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1942 [14:53:06] <MaBunny> i had done some rooting on my first smartphone
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1944 [14:53:15] <arahael> MaBunny: personally, i'd go with the laptop. or... a debian chroot on a rooted android, possibly.
1945 [14:53:16] <MaBunny> when it was still Android 2.3
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1947 [14:54:01] <MaBunny> well,are there any sites tht give help/tutorials on rooting tablets to linux
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1950 [14:55:01] <zykotick9> Eryn_1983_FL: do you see it with "ifconfig -a"? if not check dmesg for messages about missing firmware, perhaps. good luck.
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1966 [14:59:57] <arahael> MaBunny: all android tablets already run linux,
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1969 [15:01:28] <MaBunny> hehe
1970 [15:01:32] <MaBunny> i kno tht
1971 [15:02:11] <MaBunny> but i was talking of debian or any other linux variants,not android :)
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1973 [15:02:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> zykotick9: ok no idont see it there
1974 [15:03:03] <Eryn_1983_FL> tempted to buy a slim wifi usb and a slim audio usb thing...
1975 [15:03:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> i hate broadcom and intel...
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1981 [15:04:13] <NDP> I hate radeon cards
1982 [15:04:18] <MaBunny> ok i think i hav found my tablet
1983 [15:04:22] <dvs> !lart NDP
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1991 [15:06:04] <NDP> :)
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1995 [15:06:50] <MaBunny> arahael,if the internel storage is `16 gb,after chroot what will be the actual storage space in the tablet???
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1998 [15:07:06] <phre4k> hi, installed 8.3 netinst without network on a Thinkpad x220. After installation, I copied firmware-iwlwifi and installed it manually. How should I proceed? systemd-networkd? Or can I somehow enter the installer again?
1999 [15:07:08] <MaBunny> srry for naming you without your permission
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2002 [15:07:32] <phre4k> what ISO should I use if I want to install a base system with network tools? netinst seems not up to the task and I don't want a DE.
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2004 [15:08:00] <smev9> netinst can't?
2005 [15:08:12] <phre4k> MaBunny: do you want to install Debian in a chroot? Should be possible in ca. 400MB if you don't install a GUI
2006 [15:08:21] <dvs> !tell phre4k about firmware iso
2007 [15:08:27] <MaBunny> ok
2008 [15:08:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys can u help me find something like this that is not a kernel recompile to use??
2009 [15:08:37] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
2010 [15:09:01] <Eryn_1983_FL> this one says it works with linux replaced-url
2011 [15:09:04] <phre4k> smev9: apparently netinst doesn't have networkmanager or a working network script, am I right with using systemd-networkd then?
2012 [15:09:14] <MaBunny> but i didnt hav intention to not go without a gui phre4k....do you hav previous exp in this stuff
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2014 [15:09:46] <phre4k> MaBunny: which tablet? And yes, I installed Debian on pretty much everything but a Crock Pot
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2016 [15:10:18] <MaBunny> this one,im posting the link phre4k: replaced-url
2017 [15:10:34] <phre4k> MaBunny: nice, I thought about getting the Mi Pad myself :D
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2019 [15:11:17] <phre4k> there's an Android app where you can easily install it into a chroot, with GUI I suppose Debian will take about 700MB, not sure though.
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2021 [15:11:30] <phre4k> but I wonder what you aim to do with Debian then
2022 [15:11:32] <MaBunny> yeah it is good,other Xiomi products likewise...my sister too has their smartphones
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2025 [15:12:15] <MaBunny> i intend to use tht tablet as my personal laptop....even though i dont hgav much money for one
2026 [15:12:25] <MaBunny> *hav
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2029 [15:12:39] <MaBunny> well i will use debian in it for sure
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2031 [15:13:09] <bolovanos> hithere
2032 [15:13:10] <bolovanos> I have html with table design, which unluckily in each design table are embed tables, I would like to export html to txt, but html2text somehow merge those tables together
2033 [15:13:10] <bolovanos> is there some bash friendly program that is capable of this?
2034 [15:13:10] <bolovanos> copying text directly from browser works fine (chrome - on windows), I was hoping in some bash commands for Chromium, but so far fond none
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2036 [15:13:18] <arahael> MaBunny: wi wouldn't waste your money then. wait until you can afford it.
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2038 [15:13:28] <MaBunny> hehe
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2040 [15:13:33] <bolovanos> argh
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2042 [15:13:35] <arahael> MaBunny: at the end pf the day, a tablet is a toy, really.
2043 [15:13:40] <teraflops> combo! :p
2044 [15:13:49] <MaBunny> yeah
2045 [15:14:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> what do you guys think of this one? replaced-url
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2048 [15:14:12] <MaBunny> but idk...maybe you are right
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2056 [15:15:46] <MaBunny> if it had 32 gb storage....thn maybe tht good be nice but
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2058 [15:15:49] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: if it ships rtl8192cu they perform pretty bad
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2060 [15:16:17] <MaBunny> this one is too low for making a laptop
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2062 [15:16:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> :(
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2065 [15:17:33] <MaBunny> phre4k do you kno the mi pads android version???
2066 [15:17:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am liking this one
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2068 [15:17:38] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
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2070 [15:17:48] <MaBunny> it isnt given here
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2073 [15:18:12] <lesta> bolovanos: try links or links2 save formatted document ..
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2076 [15:18:33] <lubarch> my internet is just working fine but i can't able to access the router admin page and ping it
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2080 [15:19:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> teraflops: that one look ok?
2081 [15:19:49] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: still realtek :S
2082 [15:20:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> how slow are we talking about?
2083 [15:20:08] <jelly> bolovanos: right, see if something like «elinks -dump replaced-url
2084 [15:20:09] <Eryn_1983_FL> if it works i dont care really..
2085 [15:20:32] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: i didn't checked taht one too and it uses the 8188eu no idea to be fair
2086 [15:20:32] <Eryn_1983_FL> just want to browse and terminal in
2087 [15:20:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
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2089 [15:20:47] <MaBunny> oley,theres also a 64 gb one out there :D
2090 [15:20:49] <menace> Hi, is there a possibility to run debmirror with https client certificates? so only i can download from a mirror when i have a valid client certificate?
2091 [15:21:03] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: then the first you posted is fine, but don't expect great performance
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2094 [15:21:39] <Ramuh> Hi
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2103 [15:22:45] <teraflops> menace: you can do custom curl command for doing client cert validation, about the other part I have no idea
2104 [15:23:12] <phre4k> MaBunny: did you already buy the Mipad?
2105 [15:23:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
2106 [15:23:30] <MaBunny> no...but ill buy it in june
2107 [15:23:30] <phre4k> MaBunny: because I'd rather recommend a used thinkpad as personal laptop, is about the same price range and works better
2108 [15:23:42] <bolovanos> lesta, jelly thank you guys - looks much better and is incomparable faster than html2text
2109 [15:23:50] <Eryn_1983_FL> this one ? replaced-url
2110 [15:24:18] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: nope I meant the 5 bucks one
2111 [15:24:30] <MaBunny> ok,i get the idea
2112 [15:24:40] <phre4k> MaBunny: you'll only have pain to set up a tablet with Debian, trust me :p – get a Thinkpad x220 like me or a X230, T410, T420.
2113 [15:25:10] <MaBunny> ok
2114 [15:25:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
2115 [15:25:50] <MaBunny> but my dad asked me to search for a tablet to gift to his frnd and he said he did buy me one too so i was searching for some
2116 [15:25:55] <rappscallion> hi there. i am currently using debian wheezy with openbox and thunar as filemanager, and i can't mount usb sticks anymore. thunar says "not authorized". i am not that familiar with debian, could somebody help me out and tell me how to mount usb sticks and maybe explain what could be the reason it does not work anymore?
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2118 [15:26:26] <MaBunny> anyways there are some used gadgets sites too from which i can buy stuff :D
2119 [15:26:38] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: that one works in debian with the firmware realtek package
2120 [15:26:42] <phre4k> what's bt-hybrid? → replaced-url
2121 [15:26:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> sounds good
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2123 [15:27:07] <phre4k> ah, bittorrent? :D
2124 [15:27:17] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: don't expect great performance as I said
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2126 [15:27:59] <teraflops> phre4k: yes
2127 [15:28:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> well as long as it performs...
2128 [15:28:05] <teraflops> heh
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2130 [15:28:30] <Eryn_1983_FL> *kicks broadcom in the teeth* better than those aholes
2131 [15:28:36] <phre4k> oh wow, torrent not found -.-
2132 [15:28:46] <teraflops> bcm nightmare? not thanks
2133 [15:28:51] <teraflops> no*
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2135 [15:28:57] <Eryn_1983_FL> yea :(
2136 [15:29:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> tried following dir online and nothing happened,
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2138 [15:29:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> audio doesnt work either,
2139 [15:29:18] <Eryn_1983_FL> :(
2140 [15:30:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
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2142 [15:30:32] <phre4k> MaBunny: what budget do you have? Where do you live? Do you have eBay or refurbished stores there?
2143 [15:30:54] <phre4k> (sorry if these questions sound intrusive, you can answer me in DM or not)
2144 [15:31:45] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: it says it works .... :S which kernel are you using? and debian release?
2145 [15:32:16] <MaBunny> phre4k i got it covered pal thnx :D
2146 [15:32:23] <phre4k> when I add the ISO from USB as apt source, which task do I have to install for the default MATE install?
2147 [15:32:33] <phre4k> MaBunny: ah, okay :D
2148 [15:33:40] <teraflops> phre4k: replaced-url
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2152 [15:34:44] <shann_> debhelper linux
2153 [15:34:58] <teraflops> ^
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2155 [15:35:40] <shann_> i seem that debhelper with keyword display info not ,
2156 [15:35:47] <shann_> ?*
2157 [15:36:01] <gregf> is there a option to serve netboot files over http rather than nfs?
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2160 [15:36:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> jessie
2161 [15:36:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> i think i may need testing or soemthing
2162 [15:36:38] <Eryn_1983_FL> 3.16
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2164 [15:36:52] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: I guess you need the proper kernel that's all
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2167 [15:38:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> i guess i need to move to testing then?
2168 [15:38:26] <teraflops> there are newer kernels in backports
2169 [15:38:26] <phre4k> teraflops: thank you very much! I looked at the wrong site :p
2170 [15:38:48] <phre4k> this channel delivers nearly everytime :)
2171 [15:38:54] <phre4k> thanks guys for being awesome
2172 [15:39:15] <teraflops> phre4k: np but I'm curious I din't find a tasksel task for mate
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2174 [15:39:44] <Eryn_1983_FL> hmmm
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2176 [15:40:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> would it be better to run testing though instead of back porting a kernel? i would get newer applications
2177 [15:40:07] <virgosun> hi
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2179 [15:41:14] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: I'm not going to recommend testing/sid to anyone.
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2181 [15:41:31] <virgosun> I am on jessie kernel 3.16 no fab sensor. Upgrade to kernel 4.5 has fan sensor but kswapd0 bug cpu spike. How can I try achive kernel like 3.18 or 4.4
2182 [15:42:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> well if i dont like it i can downgrade again
2183 [15:42:18] <teraflops> Eryn_1983_FL: not really
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2185 [15:42:27] <abrotman> Eryn_1983_FL: you mean reinstall?
2186 [15:42:30] <teraflops> !downgrade
2187 [15:42:30] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
2188 [15:42:32] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah
2189 [15:42:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> reinstall fresh
2190 [15:42:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> lol
2191 [15:42:43] <teraflops> ah
2192 [15:42:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> fresh like a newborn baby...
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2194 [15:43:17] <shann_> !firefox
2195 [15:43:17] <dpkg> From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages will shortly appear in both jessie and sid. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
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2197 [15:43:27] <shann_> !firefox sid
2198 [15:43:48] <virgosun> any one show me kernel achieve repo ?
2199 [15:43:50] <teraflops> shann_: maybe /msg dpkg is a better choice
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2203 [15:44:16] <shann_> teraflops, yes of course sorry :)
2204 [15:44:21] <arahael> shann_: why was it changed back?
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2207 [15:44:43] <MaBunny> so guys this iceweasel is actually firefox named by tht name???
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2209 [15:45:40] <zykotick9> shann_: <sidenote> if you're looking for versions try "/msg judd version firefox" or for a specific version "/msg judd version firefox sid"
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2211 [15:46:58] <teraflops> zykotick9: heh sorry may you tell virgosun about kernels too? I have no idea about the factoids and he/she seems to be interested
2212 [15:47:34] <shann_> zykotick9, thx, i search tools name on this chan used for display info of package, infact to purpose on french chan
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2215 [15:48:23] <virgosun> yet please some one tell me how to have fan sensor with kernel > 3.16 but no kswapd0 cpu spike
2216 [15:49:03] <themill> shann_: we can have the bots join other channels if that's helpful
2217 [15:49:40] <zykotick9> dpkg: tell virgosun about kernel
2218 [15:50:01] <shann_> themill, great :-), display information in english ?
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2220 [15:50:27] <zykotick9> dpkg: tell virgosun about kernels
2221 [15:50:30] <teraflops> shann_: theres and old supybot plugin that do what you mean. I used to run it.
2222 [15:50:36] <MaBunny> anyways ill buy a laptop after two years,when ill really need it...and this tablet will come in handy too as a ebook reader :D
2223 [15:50:41] <phre4k> why are the elementaryOS devs so stubborn and can't create a standards-compliant DE like the Budgie, MATE and Cinnamon guys?
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2225 [15:50:44] <themill> shann_: none of them have any support for translations
2226 [15:50:45] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.6-rc5, stable 4.5: 4.5.2, longterm 4.4: 4.4.8, longterm 4.1: 4.1.23, longterm 3.18: 3.18.32, longterm 3.14: 3.14.67, longterm 3.12: 3.12.59, longterm 3.10: 3.10.101, longterm 3.4: 3.4.112, longterm 3.2: 3.2.79, linux-next: next-20160429
2227 [15:51:02] <phre4k> I'd really like to install Pantheon on family PCs but the packaging is a biiiig mess.
2228 [15:51:04] <thurstylark> phre4k: ego :P
2229 [15:51:10] <teraflops> shann_: only searching for bugs is not working
2230 [15:51:14] <MaBunny> thnx arahael and phre4k for your suggestions btw :D
2231 [15:51:18] <MaBunny> bye guys
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2233 [15:51:30] <phre4k> thurstylark: yeah, that's what I figured – and that's why I won't bother with reporting bugs or suggesting packaging changes.
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2235 [15:52:17] <thurstylark> phre4k: imo, they're trying a bit too hard to be like OSX in all the wrong ways :P
2236 [15:52:42] <teraflops> themill: can I request the bot to join to e.g #debian-es-offtopic?
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2238 [15:52:57] <phre4k> thurstylark: they need a Hitler-like leader but I suppose all of their egos are so big they're blocking each other from rising to the top as the Führer of elementary school
2239 [15:52:58] <virgosun> where can i det that kernel dpkg?
2240 [15:52:59] <phre4k> er, OS
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2242 [15:53:11] <thurstylark> phre4k: lol
2243 [15:53:19] <themill> teraflops: well the bots aren't particularly useful for -offtpoic channels
2244 [15:53:57] <virgosun> where can i get that kernel dpkg
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2246 [15:54:08] <teraflops> themill: since debian-es is particullary useless and we use to do support in the offtopic one I guess is fine :P
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2248 [15:54:46] <TomTomTosch> virgosun: dpkg is a bot. what kernel do you want to have? the one in jessie-backports?
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2251 [15:55:24] <virgosun> the jessie-backports 4.5.0.1 is bug for me
2252 [15:55:26] <teraflops> themill: thank you very much
2253 [15:55:29] <shann_> themill, can you join dpkg and judd on #debianfr for testing little time please ? Thx
2254 [15:55:51] <virgosun> I wan some thing newer than 3.16 but less than 4.5
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2259 [15:57:24] <virgosun> dpkg: tell where to get kernels
2260 [15:58:18] <virgosun> TomTomTosch: where can I get kernels achieve
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2279 [16:05:16] <TxGVNN> hi guy, how to get source /sbin/agetty?
2280 [16:06:08] <zykotick9> TxGVNN: looks like it's in package util-linux
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2285 [16:09:14] <rappscallion> hi there. i am currently using debian wheezy with openbox and thunar as filemanager, and i can't mount usb sticks anymore. thunar says "not authorized". i am not that familiar with debian, could somebody help me out and tell me how to mount usb sticks and maybe explain what could be the reason it does not work anymore?
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2290 [16:10:35] <TxGVNN> zykotick9: Okey, thank sir! =D
2291 [16:11:17] <zykotick9> TxGVNN: <sidenote> i found that by running "dpkg -S /sbin/agetty"
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2309 [16:18:36] <TxGVNN> zykotick9: thank you very much
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2314 [16:21:53] <zykotick9> TxGVNN: :) glad to help
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2344 [16:30:25] <virgosun> hi
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2346 [16:30:46] <virgosun> where can I get kernels achieve
2347 [16:31:10] <virgosun> dpkg: tell the room kernels repos
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2350 [16:31:35] <virgosun> dpkg: tell virgosun kernels repos
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2356 [16:32:17] <zykotick9> !kernels
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2359 [16:32:35] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.6-rc5, stable 4.5: 4.5.2, longterm 4.4: 4.4.8, longterm 4.1: 4.1.23, longterm 3.18: 3.18.32, longterm 3.14: 3.14.67, longterm 3.12: 3.12.59, longterm 3.10: 3.10.101, longterm 3.4: 3.4.112, longterm 3.2: 3.2.79, linux-next: next-20160429
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2480 [16:34:33] <zykotick9> ^^ virgosun sorry, that's doesn't actually show the info i thought it did... if you're running stable, check jessie-backports for a newer kernel
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2577 [16:38:11] <virgosun> zykotick9: how can i get longterm 4.4: 4.4.8
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2586 [16:39:59] <jelly> ,kernels
2587 [16:40:00] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-rc3-686 (4.6~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); stretch: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.5.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
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2589 [16:40:32] <zykotick9> jelly, thanks - dpkg vs judd error on my part.
2590 [16:40:52] <jelly> virgosun: you don't get it from there... so, build it yourself
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2592 [16:41:57] <virgosun> zykotick9: it takes time and lot of debugging effort, i need precompiled kernel
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2601 [16:43:31] <virgosun> jelly: can I use ubuntu kernel if I found one
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2610 [16:45:58] <AvatarA> virgosun, replaced-url
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2618 [16:48:48] <devurandom> Hello!
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2623 [16:49:25] <virgosun> AvatarA: I found it, can I just istall the deb linux-image-3.18.0-trunk-amd64
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2626 [16:49:47] <blaataap> Trying to cross-compile something, not using debian packages, for the toolchain, but the toolchain I have "installed" doesn't allow me to execute its executables :-S.
2627 [16:49:49] <themill> virgosun: what are you trying to achieve here?
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2629 [16:50:16] <blaataap> bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.4.18, stripped
2630 [16:50:32] <blaataap> when executed: bash: bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: No such file or directory
2631 [16:50:45] <virgosun> themill: I want to have fan sensor without kswapd0 cpu spike
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2633 [16:51:05] <devurandom> The Debian Installer for Stretch appears to be very slow... I am now in the step "Select and install software" and it runs for more than an hour already. This seems unusual, as e.g. the Ubuntu installer is much faster. What is the reason for this? Is there any way to improve the speed? Is Debian working on improving the speed in future releases?
2634 [16:51:13] <blaataap> I'm on a 64-bit system.
2635 [16:51:21] <blaataap> what's wrong?
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2637 [16:51:57] <petn-randall> blaataap: Does bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc exist?
2638 [16:52:21] <blaataap> petn-randall: yes the line you saw was output of "file <name"
2639 [16:52:29] <petn-randall> devurandom: Are you testing the installer? If not, you should use the stable installer.
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2641 [16:53:03] <themill> devurandom: depending on what you selected, you may well be downloading and then unpacking a lot of packages
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2643 [16:53:09] <devurandom> petn-randall: Hm... I went to the download page and selected the installer for Stretch, because I wanted to use that instead of Jessie, because the software is newer.
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2645 [16:53:21] <petn-randall> !testing installer
2646 [16:53:21] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. replaced-url
2647 [16:53:25] <petn-randall> devurandom: ^^^
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2649 [16:53:58] <blaataap> petn-randall: maybe it cannot run on my system for lack of libraries I don't know.
2650 [16:54:03] <petn-randall> devurandom: The testing installer is work-in-progress, and should be used to test the installer.
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2653 [16:54:16] <petn-randall> blaataap: Sounds like whatever you're running is looking for the wrong paths.
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2656 [16:54:40] <devurandom> themill: But can't Debian prepare an image with the base packages and overlay images with the different choices and just download those in the installer? Extracting such image should be faster than unpacking and configuring individual packages, not?
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2659 [16:54:52] <blaataap> petn-randall: that /lib/ld-linux.so.2 doesn't exist. /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 is the only file.
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2661 [16:55:11] <blaataap> petn-randall: maybe I just need 32 libs?
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2663 [16:55:29] <devurandom> petn-randall: Ok, I'll have a look at what I actually used...
2664 [16:55:49] <petn-randall> blaataap: Sounds like whatever you're trying to run is very old and not suited to run on jessie.
2665 [16:55:53] <virgosun> pssib;e missing frimware for module rtl8169
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2668 [16:56:26] <virgosun> themill: possible;e missing firmware for module rtl8169
2669 [16:56:43] <blaataap> petn-randall: maybe I should just run current toolchains from the repos
2670 [16:57:13] <devurandom> I used an image from this page: replaced-url
2671 [16:57:25] <petn-randall> blaataap: Probably. What are you trying to achieve?
2672 [16:57:33] <devurandom> dpkg: stable->testing
2673 [16:57:33] <dpkg> First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like jessie-updates and backports, and change jessie to stretch. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
2674 [16:57:49] <blaataap> petn-randall: just cross compiling a kernel module for arm.
2675 [16:58:20] <devurandom> petn-randall: So the recommended way to install Stretch is to install Jessie and then upgrade?
2676 [16:58:52] <petn-randall> devurandom: Yes
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2678 [16:58:54] <devurandom> I've had so many bad experiences upgrading Ubuntu, that I simply discarded upgrading as a viable alternative to direct installation.
2679 [16:59:02] <devurandom> Apparently Debian is much better at this. :)
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2681 [16:59:38] <petn-randall> devurandom: That's one of the shining points of Debian. The upgrade path is well tested and documented.
2682 [16:59:47] <devurandom> petn-randall: In case the installation succeeds: Is there a reason to wipe the system again and reinstall Jessie, then upgrade?
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2684 [16:59:57] <Zorroness> I've had mixed results, but I haven't done a dist-upgrade since wheezy was testing
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2686 [17:00:20] <devurandom> Or could I just stay with the Stretch that I now already have installed?
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2693 [17:01:37] <petn-randall> devurandom: If it succeeds and boots fine, I'd work from there.
2694 [17:01:45] <devurandom> Thanks!
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2700 [17:03:29] <Zorroness> As long as I have my dot files, I fear no upgrade process :)
2701 [17:03:42] <petn-randall> s/dot files/backups/
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2706 [17:05:00] <Zorroness> I do this crappy ghetto version of backups where I throw old hard drives in the closet and never test them again untill there's a problem. Don't be like me.
2707 [17:05:41] <devurandom> Zorroness: lol :D
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2709 [17:06:29] <blaataap> petn-randall: It runs now but cannot find the required tools, I use CROSS_COMPILE= and then the path to the binaries, however the binaries then cannot find stuff in the library directories :p.....
2710 [17:06:35] <devurandom> I buy a big harddrive and then dd if=/dev/olddisk | xz > /mnt/backup/olddisk.xz ;)
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2712 [17:07:07] <petn-randall> blaataap: On Debian? For Debian?
2713 [17:07:19] <blaataap> petn-randall: currently on ubuntu for arm.
2714 [17:07:21] <blaataap> :p
2715 [17:07:36] <petn-randall> blaataap: Off to #ubuntu for you then.
2716 [17:07:43] <blaataap> like those people would know.
2717 [17:07:49] * petn-randall shrugs.
2718 [17:07:52] <petn-randall> !ubuntu
2719 [17:07:53] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
2720 [17:08:07] <blaataap> petn-randall: I can do it on a debian system you know, same thing :p
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2722 [17:08:17] <petn-randall> blaataap: Come back when you are.
2723 [17:08:23] <virgosun> AvartaA: thanks, I will try one by one
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2725 [17:08:56] <virgosun> AvatarA: Thanks I will try one by one
2726 [17:08:58] <TomTomTosch> the people over at #ubuntu are great.
2727 [17:09:05] <virgosun> !osx
2728 [17:09:05] * shann_ say good week :)
2729 [17:09:05] <dpkg> OS X (formerly Mac OS X) is a BSD and NeXTSTEP based operating system from <Apple> Inc. A complete overhaul from previous versions of Mac OS (v1.0-9.2). replaced-url
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2732 [17:10:26] <virgosun> !hackintosh
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2734 [17:11:01] <TomTomTosch> virgosun: you can search factoids here: replaced-url
2735 [17:11:19] <TomTomTosch> virgosun: and /msg <bot> whatever to use the bots privately.
2736 [17:11:20] <blaataap> it's just not debian specific except that the existing toolschains are probably the same. Is there any compiler channel I can ask? I cannot write in #gcc.
2737 [17:11:43] <virgosun> TomTomTouch: ok thanks
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2744 [17:13:08] <TomTomTosch> virgosun: also, don't trust every factoid, some are outdated or wrong.
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2750 [17:15:52] <virgosun> i see
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2753 [17:18:10] <blaataap> I think I'm banned in #ubuntu anyway
2754 [17:18:14] <blaataap> I asked about Debian.
2755 [17:18:15] <blaataap> :p.
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2760 [17:23:07] <devurandom> Is it possible to figure out what apt is doing when it says "Preconfiguring packages ..."? It seems to sit there and do nothing...
2761 [17:23:26] <blaataap> okay back, on debian 8 now, same issue @ petn-randall :p.
2762 [17:23:34] <blaataap> time wasted nothing gained what's next :).
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2768 [17:25:47] <devurandom> The behaviour is the same with both aptitude and apt.
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2770 [17:27:10] <hatch789__> hi guys I'm trying to install teamviewer in a debian rt-preempt kernel and getting the following error: cannot execute binary file: exec format error.
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2774 [17:27:36] <hatch789__> I have already added architecture i386 so I can use the teamviewer 32-bit build in my 64 bit environment and I've satisfied dependencies
2775 [17:27:37] <virgosun> !kernels
2776 [17:27:56] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.6-rc5, stable 4.5: 4.5.2, longterm 4.4: 4.4.8, longterm 4.1: 4.1.23, longterm 3.18: 3.18.32, longterm 3.14: 3.14.67, longterm 3.12: 3.12.59, longterm 3.10: 3.10.101, longterm 3.4: 3.4.112, longterm 3.2: 3.2.79, linux-next: next-20160429
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2778 [17:29:15] <blaataap> never mind I fixed the issue with a symlink, thanks for your non-help :) regards.
2779 [17:29:44] <hatch789__> any ideas what might be going on or where I might go in IRC for better help with this?
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2782 [17:31:08] <devurandom> Where do I find the configuration scripts of Debian packages?
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2784 [17:32:25] <rattking> devurandom: /var/lib/dpkg/info
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2786 [17:33:21] <rattking> or the src package debian/
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2797 [17:38:31] <blaataap> job done.
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2805 [17:41:09] <me> Hi.
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2811 [17:42:48] <Guest69664> Just recompiled kernel. I downloaded the source, etered the directory, made changes with make menuconfig and make dpkg-deb. The problem is the values I thought I changed are the same. Where did I go wrong?
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2815 [17:43:45] <toruvinn> Guest69664, you sure you booted the right one? ;-)
2816 [17:44:17] <virgosun> TomTomTosch: seem good. fan sensor appear from kernel 4.4 upward, I will check if kswapd0 gone
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2824 [17:45:34] <antena-cli> How I delete the recent projects list in my Brasero?
2825 [17:45:43] <Guest69664> toruvinn, unfortunately, that's the one.
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2836 [17:49:22] <hatch789__> guys any suggestions on my issue with i386 architecture? trying to install teamviewer 32-bit in a 64-bit kernel?
2837 [17:49:40] <hatch789__> getting the following error: cannot execute binary file: exec format error.
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2840 [17:50:08] <Guest69664> Gentleman running other versions then jessie, can you do grep CFS_BANDWIDTH /boot/config-`uname -r` and tell me if it's on?
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2843 [17:50:32] <somiaj> hatch789__: is your os amd64 (64 bit)?
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2846 [17:51:23] <somiaj> Guest69664: # CONFIG_CFS_BANDWIDTH is not set
2847 [17:51:27] <hatch789__> uname -r is showing 3.18.13-rt10mah+
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2849 [17:51:45] <somiaj> hatch789__: are you even running debian, that does not look like a debian kernel.
2850 [17:52:08] <hatch789__> sorry should show this: uname -a Linux cnc 3.18.13-rt10mah+ #3 SMP PREEMPT RT Sat Jun 20 00:51:55 CEST 2015 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2851 [17:52:14] <hatch789__> it's a special kernel for linuxcnc
2852 [17:52:20] <hatch789__> a rt-preempt kernel
2853 [17:52:30] <somiaj> hatch789__: linuxcnc?
2854 [17:52:38] <hatch789__> but the guys in linuxcnc forum said they never saw that error so they asked me to try debian forums
2855 [17:53:07] <hatch789__> it's a program for running machine control from linux
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2858 [17:53:19] <somiaj> hatch789__: well we usually only support pure debian here, and it isn't clear you are running debian (as opposed to something that is based on debian)
2859 [17:53:30] <Rodya_> i hope this is the right channel - i'm working on os x el capitan, just downloaded a debian derived distro and put it onto a live usb. it boots up fine, working as expected -> except it does not seem to recognize my wifi card. i've identified the drivers that i need to install, but i don't know how to take the iso and modify it such that the correct driver is installed on the live usb. most solutions seem to assume t
2860 [17:53:30] <Rodya_> he distro has some other means of connecting to the internet, whereas i'd be modifying the iso from el capitan.i hope i'm describing everything correctly
2861 [17:53:32] <somiaj> hatch789__: I don't reconize what you are running as debian so any advise I give may not work.
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2863 [17:54:05] <somiaj> Rodya_: we don't support debian derived distros (they change things and we may not know what, so our advise may not work). What os are you using?
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2867 [17:54:33] <Rodya_> somiaj: kali
2868 [17:54:38] <somiaj> !kali
2869 [17:54:38] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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2872 [17:54:54] <somiaj> Rodya_: you should use their support, they will better understand what things are different and how to deal with kali.
2873 [17:55:16] <toruvinn> hatch789__, CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION enabled?
2874 [17:55:24] <Guest69664> thank somiaj , one more thing what version of debian are you using?
2875 [17:55:29] <Rodya_> somiaj: thank you, sorry about that
2876 [17:55:35] <hatch789__> somiaj: I understand
2877 [17:55:39] <somiaj> Guest69664: I checked that from my jessie install, but on sid here.
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2881 [17:56:10] <somiaj> hatch789__: it coudl be the kernel you have doens't have 32bit emulation, it could be you don't have multiarch enabled, it could be you don't have the right 32bit libs. Hard to say, and what works in debian may not work in the setup you have.
2882 [17:56:14] <hatch789__> toruvinn: I did the add-architecture and teamviewer seemed to install
2883 [17:56:39] <toruvinn> hatch789__, isn't that userspace only though... you still need kernel's support for 32bit binaries.
2884 [17:56:41] <hatch789__> reports from others are that teamviewer installs fine for them and I have other packages using i386 architecture
2885 [17:56:45] <hatch789__> in the dpkg -l list
2886 [17:56:46] <Guest69664> Damn, I a really puzled why CFS_BANDWIDTH it's enabled by default.
2887 [17:56:51] <toruvinn> hatch789__, do you have /proc/config.gz ? zgrep CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION /proc/config.gz
2888 [17:57:02] <toruvinn> hatch789__, oh.
2889 [17:57:14] <Guest69664> *isn't
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2891 [17:57:43] <toruvinn> hatch789__, perhaps silly question, you sure your teamviewer binaries are not corrupted?
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2893 [17:57:45] <somiaj> Guest69664: on my sid/stretch kernels it is enabled. It might be enabled in a jessie-backports kernel, but not positive and I don't have it installed to check.
2894 [17:58:06] <hatch789__> there is no config.gz file in /proc
2895 [17:58:07] <somiaj> Guest69664: /boot/config-4.3.0-1-amd64:CONFIG_CFS_BANDWIDTH=y (that is the first kernel I have with it, 4.4 and 4.5 have it too)
2896 [17:58:15] <Guest69664> somiaj, thanks for all the info!
2897 [17:58:18] <toruvinn> hatch789__, does file report something sane for that binary at least?
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2899 [17:58:31] <somiaj> hatch789__: debian doesn't use the kernel memeory for config.gz, debian puts an actual copy of the config file in /boot/config-`version`
2900 [17:58:52] <hatch789__> yes I can show the output from systemctl status teamviewerd.service' and 'journalctl -xn
2901 [17:59:00] <hatch789__> but not sure where you want me to paste it
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2903 [17:59:01] <toruvinn> somiaj, he's not using debian kernel ;-)
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2912 [18:00:24] <fssoul> hi everybody
2913 [18:00:27] <hatch789__> yes I said earlier (sorry) this is a special rt-preempt kernel
2914 [18:00:37] <hatch789__> uname -a Linux cnc 3.18.13-rt10mah+ #3 SMP PREEMPT RT Sat Jun 20 00:51:55 CEST 2015 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2915 [18:01:07] <markybob> hatch789__: sounds like you didnt install the basic i386 packages. apt-get install libstdc++6:i386 libgcc1:i386 zlib1g:i386
2916 [18:01:11] <somiaj> toruvinn: he may not even be using debian, hard to say.
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2918 [18:01:20] <fssoul> i'm running debian jessie with Xfce but i need to type startx manually, how do i set to start automatically the gui ?
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2921 [18:01:33] <markybob> fssoul: install lightdm
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2923 [18:02:06] <fssoul> after the apt-get install lightdm, it automatically config the autoload ?
2924 [18:02:25] <devster31> in which diretory shoudl I put new systemd services? /etc/systemd/{system,user} or /lib/systemd/system?
2925 [18:02:26] <hatch789__> it's debian jessie
2926 [18:02:30] <huwjr> sorry for being ‘that guy’ - but setting up RAID1+LVM for the first time - in fact setting up Debian for the first time too… I’m testing on a virtualbox VM first. I’ve created sda,sdb partitions for boot and lvm (~512mb + ~25gb), i’ve raided boot and lvm space then set up LVM on top
2927 [18:02:30] <markybob> fssoul: yes
2928 [18:02:36] <somiaj> fssoul: it should. Do you have more than one dm installed? Check the contets of /etc/X11/default-display-manager
2929 [18:02:40] <hatch789__> and then I installed a 2nd kernel so I can boot to either kernel
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2931 [18:03:05] <huwjr> when I get to install grub I get; Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda
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2933 [18:03:08] <fssoul> thanks markybob, somiaj i made a fresh netinstall, i only install xfce
2934 [18:03:15] <fssoul> so i think is the only dm
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2936 [18:03:35] <somiaj> fssoul: check that file, it should have the path to lightdm in it, if so, then you are fine
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2960 [18:10:48] <infernix> i manage a bunch (50+) of debian devices and frequently I get issues on apt-get update; they're all pointing to httpredir.debian.org in sources.list
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2962 [18:11:10] <infernix> often times the Packages or Releases file has some sort of checksum failure, likely because the repo is being updated
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2965 [18:11:47] <infernix> is there some way to combat this? can i somehow check if a mirror is being updated and postpone the apt-get update?
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2970 [18:12:22] <infernix> i can manage the logic around it if I could only figure out how to determine that a mirror is in a good state
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2973 [18:12:38] <daegontaven> hey guys... my crontabs are not working any ideas ? i use scheduled tasks to make things easier. But the scripts are not running
2974 [18:12:54] <lesta> infernix: same here
2975 [18:13:06] <huwjr> daegontaven: grep -i cron /var/log/syslog
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2977 [18:13:17] <markybob> !tell infernix about httpredir issues
2978 [18:13:37] <daegontaven> huwjr: was it becuz i was doing it from tmp... ?
2979 [18:13:44] <lesta> markybob: also to me
2980 [18:14:02] <markybob> !httpredir issues
2981 [18:14:02] <huwjr> daegontaven: doing what? what does the grep show
2982 [18:14:02] <dpkg> The <httpredir> service selects bad mirrors for some people. If you're one of them, try explicitly choosing a mirror: "deb replaced-url
2983 [18:14:10] <infernix> right.. but the devices are around the world. also if I pick a country mirror, then when that mirror is being updated i run into the same problem
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2987 [18:14:57] <daegontaven> huwjr: ill pastebin it .. one sec
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2990 [18:16:09] <daegontaven> huwjr: replaced-url
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2994 [18:16:55] <huwjr> and are any of those lines the cron you’re expecting to run?
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2996 [18:17:42] <daegontaven> huwjr: nopes... thats wierd...
2997 [18:17:55] <huwjr> what is your cron exactly?
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2999 [18:18:05] <huwjr> copy paste p/m is fine.
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3001 [18:18:18] <daegontaven> i have two scripts... one changes the bg and the other one changes mac address
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3008 [18:21:32] <TreezKey> Hi
3009 [18:21:39] <TreezKey> 3ok
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3019 [18:24:29] <Posterdati> hi
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3024 [18:25:53] <Posterdati> please I've got a problem with an HP Pro + jessie + canon mp490 + sane, when I try to start a scanning the PC freezes: no mouse activity, no hd activity, only SysRq reboot works
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3029 [18:27:45] <lesta> infernix: I mitigate the problem with band limit and using the ISP proxy for the update and upgrade
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3032 [18:28:17] <hatch789__> toruvinn are you still there?
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3037 [18:29:50] <TreezKey> Hi
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3074 [18:42:08] <TheTreeKey> Hi
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3081 [18:43:26] <ExoUNX> I too like to say "Hi" then leave
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3089 [18:46:11] <RoyK> ExoUNX: some people just thinks that everyone is waiting for someone to greet :D
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3092 [18:46:42] <ExoUNX> lol
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3096 [18:49:00] <zykotick9> I didn't see this live, but found the video interesting. replaced-url
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3104 [18:50:44] <stoned> Hi
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3107 [18:51:24] <stoned> I have Logitech Gamepad F310 and I think I configured it b/c the controls work, but it actually moves the mouse on screen instead of controlling video games
3108 [18:51:34] <stoned> I'm not sure how to fix that. I have googled around a lot
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3112 [18:51:58] <stoned> I'm not sure where the config of why it's controller the mouse I can't find
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3118 [18:52:56] <zykotick9> stoned: i'd start by removing xserver-xorg-input-joystick (assuming that doesn't want to remove a bunch of stuff)
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3122 [18:53:37] <stoned> Ohh
3123 [18:53:39] <stoned> ok hang on
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3127 [18:53:55] <stoned> When I put that into my google query I get some new results. han gon
3128 [18:54:14] <zykotick9> stoned: is this debian stable?
3129 [18:54:18] <stoned> yes
3130 [18:54:20] <stoned> 8.4
3131 [18:54:23] <stoned> I think
3132 [18:54:32] <stoned> OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64/x86_64-Distro: Debian 8.4-CPU: 4 x Intel Core2 Quad (3775.153 MHz)-Processes: 632-Uptime: 7h 41m-Users: 2-Load Average: 0.13-Memory Usage: 2925MB/8002.51MB (-73.59%)-Disk Usage: 3378.27GB/3734.40GB (90.46%)
3133 [18:54:37] <Daemon_> i installed "cisco packet tracer" , run it from terminal i get "strating cisco oacket tracer" no gui after that
3134 [18:55:26] <zykotick9> xserver-xorg-input-joystick is a packages that does the Xorg mouse control with joystick instead/as-well. it's NOT required for games. thus i'm suggesting you try to remove that package, to remove that feature. BUT you need to verify what it's going to remove (on your install)
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3136 [18:56:13] <stoned> Ok
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3138 [18:57:04] <Daemon_> i installed "cisco packet tracer" , run it from terminal i get "strating cisco packet tracer" no gui after that
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3140 [18:57:20] <stoned> Before I do the removing step, I tell you about my config. I put the USB gamepad in, and then followed debian wiki, used kde systemsettings and I select the f310 gamepad, I can see the buttons being detected/axis/all that but also controls the mouse. Maybe there is an option for this? I'll see if this package is installed
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3142 [18:57:37] <fssoul> i'm running Xen on Debian Jessie, i need to edit grub so it loads debian with xen at start, where do i find docu on how to do this ? or how do i do this ?
3143 [18:58:08] <stoned> zykotick9: restart x?
3144 [18:58:09] <RoyK> !patience | Daemon_
3145 [18:58:24] <zykotick9> stoned: try it and see
3146 [18:58:32] <stoned> Now my mouse keeps going to the top fo the screen
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3148 [18:58:52] <stoned> joystick still moved mouse. I'll restart X
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3153 [19:00:41] <stoned> That seems to help I think now I can do configuration in kde panel w/o mouse goofing up
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3159 [19:02:37] <stoned> KDE panel doesn't let me remap buttons. Right now the left/right trigger buttons are not registing as button presses, but as axis
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3161 [19:02:47] <stoned> Would you know how to configure that?
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3167 [19:05:41] <zfe> H
3168 [19:05:42] <zfe> I
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3171 [19:06:30] <daegontaven> hey guys my cron is still not working ... here is sys log replaced-url
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3173 [19:07:20] <daegontaven> the script runs every min ... but it's not changing the bg.. i think its the script... but im not sure
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3180 [19:09:43] <teraflops> daegontaven: why from cron?
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3182 [19:10:06] <daegontaven> teraflops: huh... i didnt get u ..
3183 [19:10:22] <daegontaven> did u mean why i use cron ?
3184 [19:10:30] <teraflops> yeah
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3186 [19:10:47] <daegontaven> well i use crontab.. not cron
3187 [19:11:01] <daegontaven> kinda.. different right ?
3188 [19:11:13] <teraflops> well crontab
3189 [19:11:14] <toruvinn> daegontaven, i dont think your cron has DISPLAY set
3190 [19:11:20] <teraflops> anyway, tried setting the DISPLAY variable
3191 [19:11:26] <teraflops> and that too
3192 [19:11:31] <toruvinn> daegontaven, in short, it won't be easily able to "access" your Xserver.
3193 [19:11:47] <daegontaven> hmmm.... so is there any quick fix ?
3194 [19:11:53] <teraflops> daegontaven: is that gnome and you're using gdm?
3195 [19:12:03] <daegontaven> yes gnome :)
3196 [19:12:07] <teraflops> daegontaven: yes, try setting the DISPLAY there
3197 [19:12:24] <daegontaven> one crontab ? is it a param ?
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3199 [19:12:42] <teraflops> as in DISPLAY=yours /bin/sh whatever.sh
3200 [19:12:54] <toruvinn> daegontaven, are you using that cron from the same user a you run X as? perhaps just "gsettings ..." -> "DISPLAY=:0 gsettings ..."
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3202 [19:13:18] <toruvinn> so that gsettings get the right env variable (the rest of the script does not have to, from what i see)
3203 [19:13:26] <daegontaven> teraflops: replace 'yours' with ?
3204 [19:13:32] <teraflops> daegontaven: but I dont see why are you using a cron job for that ...
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3206 [19:13:51] <daegontaven> teraflops: what else can i use?
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3210 [19:14:37] <teraflops> daegontaven: echo $DISPLAY from vt, and see what's yours
3211 [19:14:39] <toruvinn> daegontaven, from my experience, running bash -c "while true; sleep 30m; /path/to/script; done" works fine ;-DDD
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3213 [19:14:47] <toruvinn> it just that it's not preserved across reboots ;-)
3214 [19:14:57] <toruvinn> also you could /path/to/script || break; done
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3218 [19:15:51] <daegontaven> teraflops: huh... really ? but wont that stop on reboot ?
3219 [19:16:17] <toruvinn> daegontaven, i used to do things in .xinitrc too ;-) worked like a charm. ;-P
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3224 [19:17:01] <toruvinn> daegontaven, also i'm SURE there's a lot of things that set your wallpaper every x minutes, so you dont even have to write your own tbh
3225 [19:17:06] <toruvinn> anyway i gtg now, so gl.
3226 [19:17:10] <stoned> Well it's a Java game and it can see my controller but it doesn't do anything. Doesn't move my little dude around.
3227 [19:17:17] <stoned> Oh wel
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3229 [19:17:24] <daegontaven> toruvinn: :) thanx
3230 [19:17:33] <daegontaven> teraflops: u too :)
3231 [19:18:23] <teraflops> daegontaven: np
3232 [19:20:05] <teraflops> you can use systemd unit with timers, or just drop a script in ~/.config/autostart or call it from ~/.xprofile
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3235 [19:21:19] <teraflops> ^--user unit
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3243 [19:25:39] <daegontaven> teraflops: im geting an error like this :dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: The connection is closed
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3245 [19:26:52] <teraflops> daegontaven: doing what? I missed the script if you even posted it
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3247 [19:27:12] <daegontaven> teraflops: lemme post it again
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3252 [19:29:06] <daegontaven> teraflops: replaced-url
3253 [19:29:17] <teraflops> pastebin.com ....
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3255 [19:30:47] <teraflops> daegontaven: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri "file:/$ just like that will never run
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3257 [19:31:09] <daegontaven> teraflops: but it runs when i run it from my local user...
3258 [19:31:22] <teraflops> "file:/$ <- ?
3259 [19:31:58] <jim> hi...
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3261 [19:32:38] <daegontaven> teraflops: oops.... its $PIC
3262 [19:32:45] <jim> on a recent dist-upgrade, I got this message, replaced-url
3263 [19:32:54] <daegontaven> teraflops: i copied it from nano
3264 [19:32:56] <hatch789__> ok guys I did a simple test with toruvinn's help ...we downloaded the wget 32-bit package from debians repository
3265 [19:33:00] <teraflops> daegontaven: ah
3266 [19:33:12] <hatch789__> then untarred the file and tried running the wget binary
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3268 [19:33:32] <hatch789__> it fails cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
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3270 [19:33:46] <hatch789__> the binary is executable RWX
3271 [19:33:52] <markybob> jim firmware-linux-nonfree
3272 [19:33:56] <hatch789__> owned by root running as root
3273 [19:34:04] <jim> markybob, thanks
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3278 [19:36:49] <teraflops> daegontaven: let me check from debian box
3279 [19:37:01] <daegontaven> teraflops: . thanx a lot :)
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3286 [19:40:41] <dimitri12> guys I've got a question for you. I am building a live usb key. This is a 3.0 usb type and I am willing to use this on a laptop with 3.0 usb ports. Is there any difference if I burn while connected to usb 2.0 port instead of a 3.0 one?
3287 [19:41:07] <markybob> dimitri12: no
3288 [19:41:40] <dimitri12> thanks, that what I was thinking but I wanted to be sure about that
3289 [19:41:41] <jhutchins> dimitri12: Speed.
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3294 [19:42:50] <dimitri12> jhutchins a part from that burning a live iso to a usb trough 2.0 bus or 3.0 one will result into two identical builds
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3299 [19:44:04] <markybob> dimitri12: it'll be identical. just the "burning" will be slower
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3301 [19:44:30] <droid02x> Hi everyone.. unfortunately google has gone to shit and cannot find any good results to solve my problem, wondering if someone might be able to help me... had a web server running without issues and for some reason now anytime i do apt-get upgrade, dist-upgrade, etc, i get the error "error parsing file /var/lib/dpkg/status' inappropriate status for mysql-community-server
3302 [19:44:49] <droid02x> i tried restoring old backups of the status file, etc and cannot get mysql to update at all..
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3304 [19:45:09] <markybob> droid02x: anytime you do dist-upgrade? so you're on testing?
3305 [19:45:31] <droid02x> i tried dist-upgrade to see if it would resolve it
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3309 [19:45:53] <droid02x> i am not sure how it siwtched over to testing... it all happened when owncloud tried to do an update and now the server is down
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3311 [19:46:27] <markybob> droid02x: testing support is on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. they know what's going on with testing better than we do
3312 [19:46:33] <droid02x> i got a new error; E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
3313 [19:46:33] <droid02x> E: IO Error to output - fwrite (28: No space left on device)
3314 [19:46:46] <markybob> well that seems clear enough
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3316 [19:46:54] <droid02x> yeah
3317 [19:46:58] <markybob> rm some shit
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3319 [19:47:45] <droid02x> whihc folders are safe to rm under var?
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3323 [19:48:15] <markybob> droid02x: delete the old logs in /var/log/ (*.gz *.1)
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3328 [19:48:33] <markybob> droid02x: try apt-get clean if you haven't done it in forever
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3330 [19:49:18] <droid02x> thank you that cleaned out a little
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3332 [19:49:42] <droid02x> i wonder if i've made the var folder too small
3333 [19:50:04] <markybob> well i've gotta go. i'm sure someone else will step in.
3334 [19:50:14] <droid02x> i appreciate your help markybob
3335 [19:50:19] <droid02x> have a great one
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3339 [19:52:03] <teraflops> daegontaven: it works here
3340 [19:52:31] <daegontaven> teraflops: on local or root ?
3341 [19:53:19] <teraflops> daegontaven: you MUST run the cronjob as teh same user you want the wallpaper being changed
3342 [19:53:23] <teraflops> the*
3343 [19:53:25] <hatch789__> guys I did a simple test with toruvinn's help ...we downloaded the wget 32-bit package from debians repository, then untarred it and tried to execute ./wget. It failed with: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
3344 [19:53:49] <teraflops> daegontaven: that's what I did replaced-url
3345 [19:54:06] <hatch789__> to my knowledge and with toruvinn's help it appears that I have multiarch installed and all dependencies resolved
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3348 [19:55:31] <teraflops> daegontaven: also my display is DISPLAY=:0 here and I set it in the job, not the script
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3353 [19:57:54] <teraflops> daegontaven: sorry for asking it but, are you running gnome as root?
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3355 [19:58:15] <daegontaven> teraflops: nopes.... i dont think so
3356 [19:58:19] <teraflops> ah
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3361 [19:59:31] <DammitJim> I'm having an issue with debian machines that I have joined to a MS DC
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3365 [19:59:43] <DammitJim> using samba, winbind
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3367 [20:00:00] <DammitJim> when the machine does not have network connectivity, I can't log on locally to it with a local user
3368 [20:00:18] <DammitJim> I read that maybe I need to change the order for authentication, but I Have it as compat winbind
3369 [20:00:25] <DammitJim> not sure what else I need to change?
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3372 [20:01:50] <daegontaven> teraflops: nopes i made the changes and still no changes
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3374 [20:02:27] <teraflops> daegontaven: that's weird it works as I pasted above in debian jessie stock gnome
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3376 [20:02:56] <teraflops> daegontaven: is your DISPLAY the correct one?
3377 [20:03:05] <daegontaven> teraflops: yesss...
3378 [20:03:33] <daegontaven> but hw do i run the cron as a regular user ?
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3384 [20:05:29] <teraflops> as that user just crontab -e
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3386 [20:05:53] <daegontaven> teraflops: yeah thats what i keep doing..
3387 [20:06:07] <teraflops> well I have no clue then
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3391 [20:06:45] <daegontaven> teraflops: maybe i should use vnc ? to share my screen ?
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3393 [20:06:53] <teraflops> why?
3394 [20:07:06] <daegontaven> so you can see what im doing ...
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3400 [20:08:26] <Posterdati> please I've got a problem with an HP Pro + jessie + canon mp490 + sane, when I try to start a scanning the PC freezes: no mouse activity, no hd activity, only SysRq reboot works
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3404 [20:10:42] <devurandom> rattking: Thanks! I also found it on source.debian.org
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3410 [20:12:01] <adac> is it possible to install glibc 2.22 in jessie? if yes how can I get this version?
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3422 [20:16:09] <teraflops> daegontaven: replaced-url
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3424 [20:16:26] <teraflops> daegontaven: replaced-url
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3434 [20:20:03] <daegontaven> teraflops: thats exactly how it looks for me,... but a little different replaced-url
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3436 [20:21:00] <teraflops> Hey it's /bin/bash not /bin/bash/
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3438 [20:22:08] <daegontaven> teraflops: oh....really ? lemme change
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3440 [20:22:31] <teraflops> Wow that tinypic site is... Rubbish
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3442 [20:23:35] <daegontaven> yeah... i know... but it's the first thing that came to mind
3443 [20:23:57] <daegontaven> teraflops: also still does not work
3444 [20:24:37] <daegontaven> i see that u r looking at the logs as root....
3445 [20:24:44] <teraflops> daegontaven: also in my paste you only want the first line in the crown the other is just the script and must be run from whenever you wanted
3446 [20:25:05] <daegontaven> is supercow root ?
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3450 [20:25:42] <teraflops> daegontaven: well because syslog is in /various/log
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3452 [20:25:57] <daegontaven> teraflops: yeah... but did your bg change though ??
3453 [20:26:12] <teraflops> Cron sorry I'm on the phone
3454 [20:26:18] <m3tti> hi folks
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3456 [20:26:25] <daegontaven> the script runs ... but the bg does not change
3457 [20:26:32] <teraflops> Yeah look at the video I posted
3458 [20:26:33] <trickshotjohnny> my lord the eagle source package is royally screwed up
3459 [20:26:55] <trickshotjohnny> anyone ever build the non-free eagle package from the debian source package before? or try to?
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3462 [20:27:20] <m3tti> is there someone who builds this package for debian? replaced-url
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3464 [20:28:11] <daegontaven> teraflops: yeah i did ..
3465 [20:28:23] <teraflops> It get changed heh
3466 [20:28:36] <teraflops> No error from the log
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3469 [20:29:01] <daegontaven> teraflops: oh... wait that was not an error from the log u saw in the pic
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3471 [20:29:20] <daegontaven> teraflops: check again replaced-url
3472 [20:29:31] <daegontaven> i made sure the jpg file this time
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3476 [20:29:45] <daegontaven> direct img
3477 [20:29:50] <teraflops> Dont do it as root
3478 [20:30:04] <daegontaven> yeah....? no
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3480 [20:30:25] <daegontaven> but the problem is not going away though
3481 [20:30:30] <teraflops> No
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3483 [20:30:48] <teraflops> Run it as your user I said so like 15 minutes ago
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3487 [20:31:37] <daegontaven> teraflops: i just type crontab -e right ?
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3489 [20:32:01] <teraflops> As your user. The same you want wallpaper to get changed
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3491 [20:33:41] <teraflops> daegontaven: root has nothing to do here
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3493 [20:34:08] <daegontaven> yeah ... okies...
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3498 [20:34:40] <boubou> hi guys
3499 [20:34:45] <boubou> easy question for u
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3501 [20:35:08] <boubou> I just what to find the xwiki.cfg full path then put it in the variable named XWIKICFG_PATH
3502 [20:35:08] <daegontaven> teraflops: okay here is screenshot replaced-url
3503 [20:35:22] <boubou> how can I do that ? :(
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3505 [20:35:31] <greycat> boubou: does it appear in the output of "locate wiki.cfg"?
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3507 [20:35:38] <boubou> yes
3508 [20:35:54] <greycat> Then type WIKICFG_PATH="..." where ... is the path name you get from locate.
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3510 [20:36:02] <teraflops> daegontaven: it looks ok
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3512 [20:36:21] <daegontaven> but its not working though :(
3513 [20:36:25] <boubou> I want to do that in a script
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3515 [20:36:26] <boubou> lol
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3517 [20:36:29] <greycat> boubou: Why/
3518 [20:36:30] <greycat> ?
3519 [20:36:32] <boubou> I forgot to tell that
3520 [20:36:53] <greycat> Just type the path into the script.
3521 [20:37:10] <boubou> I want to do that in a script and reuse XWIKICFG_PATH in a script
3522 [20:37:11] <greycat> Why would your script need to derive the location dynamically? It won't move, will it?
3523 [20:37:27] <boubou> its depends...
3524 [20:37:31] <greycat> On what?
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3526 [20:37:49] <boubou> on some servers, the cfg is not located at the same place
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3528 [20:38:07] <greycat> How many servers are you administering that have this file?
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3537 [20:41:19] <blaman> why would unshare -mfp sh -c 'mount -tproc none /proc ; ls /proc' leave me with a /proc in the host system that has no PID directories?
3538 [20:41:25] <DammitJim> guys, any pointers as to why I can't log on to a server if the network cable is disconnected? I'm using a local account
3539 [20:41:32] <daegontaven> teraflops: replaced-url
3540 [20:41:51] <greycat> DammitJim: something in the login procedure wants to touch the network, perhaps? Is it hanging, or what?
3541 [20:41:53] <DammitJim> and the server was joined to a DC using winbind, samba, etc
3542 [20:42:06] <DammitJim> it hangs, then returns back to the logon screen
3543 [20:42:08] <vook> DammitJim: could be that it isn't listening on localhost, only the network IP
3544 [20:42:12] <DammitJim> this is on the console
3545 [20:42:24] <DammitJim> I verified that the order of passwd compat winbind is proper
3546 [20:42:25] <teraflops> daegontaven: ensure your script has +x, your DISPLAY is :1 and please paste the script to a sane pastebin site
3547 [20:42:28] <blaman> DammitJim: seconds to someone saying it's systemd's fault... 3... 2... 1..
3548 [20:42:31] <greycat> boubou: You have many options here, depending on what your *actual* requirements are. One of them is to set up a symlink like /etc/xwiki/wiki.cfg on each host, which points to the actual file. Then hardcode /etc/xwiki/wiki.cfg in the script.
3549 [20:42:32] <DammitJim> oh no
3550 [20:42:34] <DammitJim> stop it bla
3551 [20:42:37] <DammitJim> blaman,
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3553 [20:42:50] <vook> dns too, check your hosts file
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3555 [20:43:28] <DammitJim> vook, talking to me? I can't log on
3556 [20:44:00] <vook> ah, log into a server... I was thinking service.
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3562 [20:45:43] <vook> does it work with root?
3563 [20:46:05] <DammitJim> no, none of the users
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3568 [20:47:52] <daegontaven> teraflops: replaced-url
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3570 [20:48:17] <vook> pita, yeah I've had that happen with LDAP and NIS. It's always been a problem with nsswitch.conf or pam in my experience.
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3572 [20:49:44] <teraflops> daegontaven: try gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri $PIC
3573 [20:50:13] <daegontaven> hmmm... maybe ...thats why... lemme seee :)
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3589 [20:56:34] <daegontaven> teraflops: yeah... still no change
3590 [20:57:00] * daegontaven feels like he's being punished
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3592 [20:57:17] <teraflops> daegontaven: then I have no idea since it works here as I posted above. the only thing that changes is that I do png instead of jpg
3593 [20:57:18] <daegontaven> *sob sob*
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3595 [20:57:40] <daegontaven> like i said... the script is not the problem here..
3596 [20:57:55] <daegontaven> also.... the files are jpg... so that wont work
3597 [20:58:48] <teraflops> daegontaven: please take a look again at replaced-url
3598 [20:59:06] <mnsc_se> I want to switch from gnome to xfce in jessie. I found this replaced-url
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3600 [20:59:31] <greycat> Just install xfce and *don't* try to remove gnome.
3601 [20:59:40] <greycat> Unless you really, really need that disk space back.
3602 [21:00:10] <daegontaven> teraflops: yeah .. both our scripts are the exact same... except the paths
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3604 [21:00:32] <daegontaven> besides the script works when i run manually... so there's that
3605 [21:01:02] <markybob> daegontaven: did you see the cron part with DISPLAY ?
3606 [21:01:03] <teraflops> ahnow it works if you run manually? what errors do you get from syslog?
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3626 [21:01:51] <daegontaven> teraflops: no errors at all
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3642 [21:01:59] <RickyB98> oh c'mon
3643 [21:02:00] <Quatroking> oh ok
3644 [21:02:02] <daegontaven> ddos
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3648 [21:02:07] <zz> right okay
3649 [21:02:07] <edoardo> What lol
3650 [21:02:09] <teraflops> oh dear lord
3651 [21:02:13] <RickyB98> ##comment-on-spam
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3656 [21:02:18] <daegontaven> teraflops: damn
3657 [21:02:18] <markybob> daegontaven: did you see the cron part with DISPLAY ?
3658 [21:02:18] <Quatroking> i'm okay with this
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3661 [21:02:31] <brguy> I'm with Quatroking
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3666 [21:02:46] <teraflops> daegontaven: i misses whatever you typed before :P
3667 [21:02:51] <teraflops> missed*
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3669 [21:02:52] <Finetundra__> Someone highlight me?
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3671 [21:02:55] <teraflops> Finetundra__:
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3673 [21:03:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o e
3674 [21:03:06] *** e sets mode: +r-o e
3675 [21:03:10] <greycat> Stop yammering about the spam. You're spamming more than the spammer did.
3676 [21:03:11] <Finetundra__> What's up teraflops
3677 [21:03:13] <RoyK> Finetundra__: some PoS bot
3678 [21:03:20] <waynr> fascism is bad mmkay
3679 [21:03:22] <Quatroking> thanks brguy
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3682 [21:03:52] <teraflops> Finetundra__: nothing I thought you wanted to be highlighted
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3687 [21:04:16] <Finetundra__> teraflops I was asking if someone had done that
3688 [21:04:25] <Quatroking> remember to vote for me if you want an adam sandler-free freenode
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3690 [21:04:32] <daegontaven> teraflops: i said there were no errors at all
3691 [21:04:37] <BenderRodriguez> Who dares to pring me
3692 [21:04:41] <BenderRodriguez> oh
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3694 [21:04:43] <BenderRodriguez> sinkstone
3695 [21:04:48] <daegontaven> when i ran the script manually
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3698 [21:05:19] <teraflops> Finetundra__: not me then, sorry
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3700 [21:06:05] <cmtptr> how come i didn't ping me? I feel left out
3701 [21:06:32] <teraflops> daegontaven: please paste the related syslog entries when the cronjob is executed
3702 [21:06:38] <edoardo> cmtptr:
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3704 [21:06:58] <edoardo> enjoy your free ping
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3706 [21:07:06] <daegontaven> okays ....
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3710 [21:08:12] <daegontaven> teraflops: replaced-url
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3717 [21:12:14] <teraflops> daegontaven: no idea to be honest. it works here with *.png
3718 [21:13:13] <daegontaven> maybe i should make another simple script or command that should work and test.. That way atleast we know if its a script issue
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3720 [21:14:20] <teraflops> daegontaven: I just tested your stuff
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3724 [21:15:45] <teraflops> daegontaven: replaced-url
3725 [21:15:46] <daegontaven> teraflops: my stuff ?
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3727 [21:16:19] <teraflops> you said it didn't work then I tested it in a debian box
3728 [21:16:32] <teraflops> your script
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3734 [21:18:51] <daegontaven> teraflops: could it be cause im also logged into root ?
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3746 [21:20:48] <teraflops> also?
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3754 [21:25:03] <handsome_pirate> !bongswat
3755 [21:25:03] <dpkg> from memory, bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!"
3756 [21:25:10] <handsome_pirate> Yessss
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3760 [21:26:14] <daegontaven> teraflops: i ran a test by adding ls > text.txt to the cron job.... i think i found the solution
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3763 [21:27:16] <teraflops> daegontaven: well if you figure it out let me now because I'm getting mad :P
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3766 [21:28:34] <daegontaven> teraflops: hahah... :)...
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3769 [21:29:09] <teraflops> daegontaven: wait my bad I didnt mentioned it, appending >>/home/user/wtf.log 2>&1 might help
3770 [21:29:24] <teraflops> user is your current user btw so change it
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3773 [21:29:45] <user> teraflops, Huh?
3774 [21:30:04] <teraflops> user: sorry is your fault for picking that nick
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3776 [21:30:25] <daegontaven> teraflops: okay.. so i did a cat on the text.txt file that the cron ls command did
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3779 [21:30:54] <daegontaven> teraflops: and it turns out that cron was in the user directory.....
3780 [21:31:10] <user> teraflops, what?
3781 [21:31:12] <user> daegontaven, huh?
3782 [21:31:12] <greycat> cron jobs run with PWD=$HOME, yes
3783 [21:31:15] <greycat> user: shut the fuck up
3784 [21:31:24] <user> !ops
3785 [21:31:24] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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3787 [21:31:34] <user> dpkg, greycat is being rude
3788 [21:31:35] <dpkg> user: okay
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3791 [21:31:49] <routingnooooob> hi guys, I have some issues routing on a debian box. I have 2 interfaces eth0 with a 10.0.0.x ip and eth1 with a public ip. I want to have the default route on the eth1 interface and for eth to access 10.0.0.0/8
3792 [21:31:51] <user> dpkg, ops greycat is being rude
3793 [21:31:51] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: user complains about: greycat is being rude
3794 [21:31:56] <routingnooooob> can someone please help me
3795 [21:31:57] <routingnooooob> ?
3796 [21:31:58] <teraflops> user: stop doing that please just shut up or pick other nick
3797 [21:32:10] <user> dpkg, ops teraflops is being rude
3798 [21:32:10] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: user complains about: teraflops is being rude
3799 [21:32:20] <teraflops> ^
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3805 [21:32:47] <jelly> lol
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3807 [21:32:53] <teraflops> :s
3808 [21:33:15] <daegontaven> woops... got disconnect
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3811 [21:34:01] <routingnooooob> anyone to help me with a routing issue? ... debian with 2 interfaces eth0 (10.x.x.x) and eth1..(public ip) .. It is currently routing by default through the 10.x.x.x on eth0. I want it to route traffic to the internet from the public and traffic to the lan from the eth0. someone to help me with the routing commands?
3812 [21:34:31] <posi> Trying to do the right thing with trim. We have this atom hooked up over to a ssd taking hundreds of GB of pictures a day. So we are constantly deleting and plopping more on. So we have started to run trim. Does this make sense. Should I do it in on a directory level, or the whole drive. Any pain from constantly running trim(every hour)
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3815 [21:35:07] <routingnooooob> clear
3816 [21:35:14] <TomTomTosch> dpkg forget greycat
3817 [21:35:15] <dpkg> i didn't have anything called 'greycat' to forget, TomTomTosch
3818 [21:35:26] <TomTomTosch> dpkg forget ops greycat
3819 [21:35:26] <dpkg> TomTomTosch: i didn't have anything called 'ops greycat' to forget
3820 [21:35:36] <greycat> I already did it in /msg dpkg
3821 [21:35:45] <TomTomTosch> ah, sry :S
3822 [21:35:53] <jelly> posi: why are you running it that often?
3823 [21:36:15] <posi> jelly: well for now we do it everytime we have to clear the drive
3824 [21:36:19] <posi> jelly: what's a better interval
3825 [21:36:23] <posi> jelly: we just did it that way because
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3827 [21:36:37] <daegontaven> teraflops: maybe i should give up....
3828 [21:36:42] <teraflops> daegontaven: heh
3829 [21:36:50] <jelly> posi: oh, you're wiping all the files from that device in regular intervals?
3830 [21:36:52] <teraflops> daegontaven: I have no clue to be honest
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3832 [21:37:37] <daegontaven> teraflops: here is my last ditch effort to produce some output replaced-url
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3834 [21:38:38] <jelly> routingnooooob: what does "traffic no the lan" mean? Do you have more than one lan network segment?
3835 [21:39:11] <teraflops> posi: once a week is fine, it's the default I guess
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3838 [21:39:34] <teraflops> posi: /usr/share/doc/util-linux/examples/fstrim.timer
3839 [21:40:00] <teraflops> posi: I just create/enable it and I forget about trim
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3842 [21:40:58] <marsupapu> Hey, is there any update notifier out there to go with MATE that would not require Nautilus and other gnome-stuff?
3843 [21:41:04] <there> marsupapu, huh?
3844 [21:41:16] <marsupapu> :D
3845 [21:41:22] <teraflops> ah I see it's troll time
3846 [21:41:31] <teraflops> is there any user ?
3847 [21:41:41] <there> teraflops, huh?
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3850 [21:41:58] <markybob> in greycat we trust
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3852 [21:42:05] <greycat> more trolling, ban evasion
3853 [21:42:21] <marsupapu> Yeah, but I am looking for a solution like old update manager back in the day of gnome 2
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3858 [21:43:40] <posi> teraflops: jelly: is it dangerous to trim constantly?
3859 [21:43:43] <posi> queue trim
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3870 [21:46:46] <TheWarden> Hello
3871 [21:47:24] <teraflops> posi: I do once a week. far from that I have no idea
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3874 [21:47:58] <TheWarden> how do I enable journalctl to keep track of system boots? I want to use journalctl --last-boots then with -b [ID]. I'm trying to debug why my secondary hard drive will not auto mount for me.
3875 [21:48:02] <jelly> that's a very good question, I have no answer
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3877 [21:48:51] <jelly> personally I keep 10-15% of ssd unpartitioned and never used
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3879 [21:49:13] <TheWarden> jelly: what why would you not make use of it?
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3882 [21:49:53] <teraflops> TheWarden: by default journal is not persistent. Sio -b(number) won't work I guesd
3883 [21:49:55] <teraflops> Guess
3884 [21:50:02] <jelly> TheWarden: you're missing context from before you came in
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3886 [21:50:07] <TheWarden> well dang it... I don't know how to track down the problem then. I know will journalctl I can do this but not sure how on Debian.
3887 [21:50:23] <greycat> TheWarden: Why can't you just run last?
3888 [21:50:24] <teraflops> TheWarden: tell it to be persistent then
3889 [21:50:25] <TheWarden> jelly: oh gee sorry it just seemed to fit with what I was talking about some what.
3890 [21:50:35] <jelly> ah no, completely different question
3891 [21:50:56] <TheWarden> greycat: last command doesn't tell me what went on at boot time. Unless there is another last command I'm not aware of.
3892 [21:51:21] <greycat> Then I didn't understand what "keep track of system boots" meant.
3893 [21:51:25] <daegontaven> teraflops: i found an article that says i have to add a path to make it work
3894 [21:51:30] <daegontaven> teraflops: replaced-url
3895 [21:51:43] <daegontaven> check the first answer
3896 [21:51:43] <jelly> "last -20 reboot" keeps that of reboots here
3897 [21:51:45] <teraflops> daegontaven: I do full path
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3899 [21:52:27] <daegontaven> yeah.... but something about env path ..
3900 [21:52:42] <greycat> What do you mean by "env path"?
3901 [21:52:52] <teraflops> Journalctl -b 20 works there by default?
3902 [21:52:56] <TheWarden> Okay, I want to auto mount my secondary hard drive at boot time using fstab. If there is a better way then fstab please let me know.
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3904 [21:53:11] <greycat> fstab is the appropriate place for a permanently attached hard drive
3905 [21:53:23] <TheWarden> However for some reason I can't seem to get the hard drive to auto mount. I go into emergency boot mode or something along that lines. However if I manually mount the drive it works fine.
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3907 [21:53:59] <jelly> TheWarden: does the device always exist at boot time?
3908 [21:54:00] <TheWarden> I'm wanting to some how figure out why its not working. Only way I know how to filter that is using journalctl -b [ID] as it keeps track of what goes on at each boot.
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3911 [21:54:26] <TheWarden> jelly: yes its physically attached to the same motherboard.
3912 [21:54:40] <TheWarden> and its a new drive as well.
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3915 [21:55:00] <jelly> is there a more complex layering of block devices involved? md raid, lvm, luks, multipath?
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3918 [21:55:34] <jelly> TheWarden: can you pastebin the output of "lsblk" and point out the filesystem on the secondary device
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3922 [21:56:19] <teraflops> TheWarden: journalctl -b will work if you set journal persistent
3923 [21:56:39] <TheWarden> jelly: yes of course... just give me a few minutes.
3924 [21:56:42] <greycat> Why would you need to see the bootlog of previous boots when diagnosing a problem that occurred in THIS boot?
3925 [21:56:57] <TheWarden> teraflops: yeah I figured as much just haven't been able to locate anything on how to do that as of yet.
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3927 [21:57:20] <jelly> isn't it like mkdir /var/log/journal
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3929 [21:57:32] <teraflops> I have no idea just pointing at what TheWarden asked
3930 [21:57:38] <TheWarden> greycat: I can't get on to IRC... you see when this issue occurs I'm in emergency boot I have to disable the entry in the fstab in order to boot the system normally.
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3933 [21:57:53] <TheWarden> teraflops: oh okay, well hopefully I can figure that out as well sometime.
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3936 [21:58:12] <crash_> TheWarden: you are on IRC now :P
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3939 [21:58:41] <cubsfan22> i can't even get the debian installer to work
3940 [21:58:50] <cubsfan22> i take it they don't want people using debian?
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3943 [21:59:00] <cubsfan22> with a non working net installer
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3945 [21:59:06] <jelly> TheWarden: stupid workaround that doesn't solve the issue but enables booting the system: add "nofail" to mount options in fstab
3946 [21:59:22] <TomTomTosch> cubsfan22: not sure about them, but if you give us more info we might be able to help you.
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3948 [21:59:27] <cubsfan22> oh
3949 [21:59:33] <TheWarden> jelly: ok here it is, replaced-url
3950 [21:59:43] <TomTomTosch> cubsfan22: can you describe your problem?
3951 [21:59:43] <cubsfan22> wants to install firmware
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3954 [21:59:59] <cubsfan22> also installation step fails
3955 [22:00:08] <crash_> cubsfan22: Nothing wrong with the debian installer if you mean debian jessie 8.4
3956 [22:00:19] <TheWarden> jelly: well I thought of that, but that wouldn't work well in this case of how I'm using the drive and I would prefer to fix issues instead of using bandaids for solutions.
3957 [22:00:22] <cubsfan22> using alpha 5
3958 [22:00:29] <markybob> cubsfan22: then you're silly
3959 [22:00:37] <cubsfan22> why am i silly
3960 [22:00:39] <crash_> cubsfan22: alpha5 as in stretch?
3961 [22:00:39] <markybob> cubsfan22: that's not meant to install debian. it's meant to test the installer
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3963 [22:00:43] <cubsfan22> yes crash
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3966 [22:00:47] <jelly> cubsfan22: that means you're testing installer code for the upcoming release
3967 [22:00:52] <markybob> cubsfan22: yes, that's not how you install testing
3968 [22:00:56] <cubsfan22> oh
3969 [22:01:01] <crash_> cubsfan22: testing is always testing
3970 [22:01:07] <markybob> cubsfan22: you install jessie and then dist-upgrade to testing. if you want to use testing you should know that though.
3971 [22:01:26] <cubsfan22> been awhile
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3973 [22:01:37] <greycat> Well, at some point in the stretch lifecycle, the installer will be ready-for-end-users and then they'll want you to use it.... but it's not at that point yet.
3974 [22:01:54] <jelly> dpkg, tell cubsfan22 about firmware images
3975 [22:01:54] <crash_> greycat: i agree on that :)
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3977 [22:02:00] <jelly> dpkg, tell cubsfan22 about install testing
3978 [22:02:17] <cubsfan22> ok then what is the proper url
3979 [22:02:24] <cubsfan22> for downloading iso testing
3980 [22:02:31] <markybob> jesus
3981 [22:02:32] <jelly> cubsfan22: see the message you got in private from dpkg bot.
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3983 [22:02:40] <greycat> If you need one with nonfree firmware, use the firmware-having images.
3984 [22:02:41] <jelly> messages*
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3986 [22:02:51] <crash_> greycat: replaced-url
3987 [22:03:00] <greycat> No, NOT that.
3988 [22:03:03] <markybob> stop with the alpha 5
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3991 [22:03:23] <greycat> replaced-url
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3993 [22:03:32] <crash_> i can't see any newer then that except the weekly ones
3994 [22:03:33] <jelly> TheWarden: that would, however, enable easier debugging.
3995 [22:03:47] <greycat> you DO NOT WANT a newer installer image.
3996 [22:03:49] <jelly> TheWarden: and you'd be able to see and paste journal stuff
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3998 [22:03:59] <teraflops> TheWarden: ah. You just set Storage=persistent in /etc/systemd/journald.conf
3999 [22:04:05] <greycat> The "newer" ones are still being written. Don't use them yet.
4000 [22:04:12] <markybob> crash_: it's known to be broken. like we've said.
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4003 [22:04:48] <TheWarden> jelly: oh gee that's true. Lol I don't know why I didn't think of that.
4004 [22:04:55] <crash_> markybob: ok sorry i did't know that, i just wanted to help, i'm still on debian jessie + backports :)
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4010 [22:05:39] <TheWarden> jelly: I can yes, not sure if I can find everything. I'll look at what teraflops said to make things easier that way and maybe I should add the option to fstab nofail
4011 [22:05:52] <TheWarden> teraflops: really, I'll give that a go then. Thanks.
4012 [22:05:57] <teraflops> Np
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4014 [22:06:48] <teraflops> TheWarden: you can also redirect the journal to the tty
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4018 [22:07:21] <teraflops> At boot time I mean
4019 [22:08:38] <TheWarden> teraflops: oh really I wasn't aware one could do that either.
4020 [22:08:53] <TheWarden> okay I'm going to reboot... be back shortly.
4021 [22:08:53] * iKarith wanders in, sees spammer, LOLs at the /kill, goes back to life.
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4023 [22:09:06] <cubsfan22> yeah just trying to get testing installed on laptop
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4025 [22:10:04] <markybob> cubsfan22: use what greycat gave you
4026 [22:10:10] <cubsfan22> ok
4027 [22:11:40] <cubsfan22> thanks
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4033 [22:15:26] <luxio> Hi, how can I install WiFi drivers if I don't have an internet connection in the first place?
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4035 [22:15:56] <Guest7347> perhaps download them offline and transfer through an usb stick?
4036 [22:16:07] <TomTomTosch> !tell luxio about firmware images
4037 [22:16:12] <luxio> Hmm, yes but a lot of those require building it
4038 [22:16:15] <luxio> thanks TomTomTosch!
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4042 [22:17:05] <TomTomTosch> luxio: it does not cover all firmware though. there are some which can not be included for licensing reasons. which chipset do you have?
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4044 [22:17:19] <markybob> luxio: lspci -nn |grep -i net
4045 [22:17:33] <luxio> TomTomTosch: I'm using amd64 and I'm trying to install drivers for the AR9271
4046 [22:17:57] <markybob> luxio: you need package firmware-atheros
4047 [22:17:58] <crash_> luxio: Atheros then :)
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4050 [22:18:15] <luxio> markybob: Yep, but I need internet to install that ;)
4051 [22:18:17] <markybob> luxio: you can download it from another computer and dpkg -i the deb or use the firmware installer to do a clean install
4052 [22:18:23] <daegontaven> teraflops: I have officially given up. I admit defeat. I'm sorry i wasted your time. Thanx a lot dude :)
4053 [22:18:33] <luxio> markybob: Is dpkg installed by default?
4054 [22:18:36] <markybob> luxio: yes
4055 [22:18:38] <luxio> And does it have dependencise?
4056 [22:18:38] <TomTomTosch> yes, the firmware iso should be fine for that.
4057 [22:18:55] <markybob> luxio: no
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4059 [22:19:02] <luxio> Oh, so I should just reinstall using this iso? replaced-url
4060 [22:19:09] <markybob> luxio: that would work, yes
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4062 [22:19:17] <luxio> Ok. Thanks! :) helpful people here
4063 [22:19:19] <markybob> i was just giving an alternative
4064 [22:19:22] <TheWarden> okay this is messed up... the dang drive mounted this time. go figure. Its slow booting up though. I''ll post my fstab.
4065 [22:19:47] <luxio> Err, are there any torrents for that iso?
4066 [22:20:05] <TheWarden> One thing that is odd is that I noticed the secondary drive is being mounted using fuseblk even though in the fstab it shows ntfs-3g
4067 [22:20:30] <markybob> luxio: replaced-url
4068 [22:20:40] <luxio> Thanks markybob :)
4069 [22:21:27] <luxio> Hm. That torrent seems to be erroring
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4071 [22:21:42] <luxio> I'll just download the regular file
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4073 [22:21:49] <markybob> then do straight http :P
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4082 [22:24:15] <TheWarden> okay here is fstab, lsblk and mount results... replaced-url
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4088 [22:26:19] <ewl> I've just installed Debian Stretch, I can't seem to find any synaptics touchpad configuration. Synclient says no synaptics driver loaded but xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is installed.
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4090 [22:27:33] <ewl> I've googled it and got nothing.
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4093 [22:28:02] <greycat> ewl: did it work on jessie before you "upgraded"?
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4095 [22:28:22] <Parrhesiastes> what can be wrong if i have no terminal on ctrl-alt-f1-f4? (just black screen)
4096 [22:28:28] <ewl> I didn't test it. I just installed jessie then upgraded to stretch from the command line.
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4100 [22:29:29] <markybob> !tell ewl about debian-next
4101 [22:29:55] <ewl> Thanks.
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4106 [22:30:26] <ewl> I've just installed Debian Stretch, I can't seem to find any synaptics touchpad configuration. Synclient says no synaptics driver loaded but xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is installed.
4107 [22:30:41] <jelly> hi! you were just in here, ewl
4108 [22:30:44] <markybob> yeah. you're still not in #debian-next on oftc
4109 [22:30:51] <ewl> sorry
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4111 [22:31:02] <jelly> third time's the charm?
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4116 [22:32:38] <ewl> I try "/join #debian-next and it brings me to #debian
4117 [22:32:46] <TomTomTosch> ewl: you are on the wrong server.
4118 [22:32:52] <ewl> which server?
4119 [22:32:55] <ompaul> ewl: maybe it is on irc.oftc.net
4120 [22:32:56] <markybob> ewl: irc.oftc.net not freenode
4121 [22:33:06] <ewl> okay
4122 [22:33:13] <markybob> forth time
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4125 [22:34:01] <srg> Parrhesiastes: Even if you press the space bar, no console?
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4127 [22:34:36] <Parrhesiastes> oh, i just did a restart, and hadent checked this time, now its actually there :s
4128 [22:34:46] <ompaul> markybob: they made it
4129 [22:34:51] <Parrhesiastes> (even without hitting space)
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4133 [22:36:26] <jelly> ompaul: huzzah!
4134 [22:36:55] <ompaul> jelly: jaja
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4136 [22:37:23] <tako> hi
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4138 [22:38:01] <tako> i have debian live cd and i cant install it because i have wifi firmware problem
4139 [22:38:25] <tako> can i download all wireless drivers and put the usb stick
4140 [22:38:28] <markybob> !tell tako about firmware image
4141 [22:38:28] <greycat> tako: then use one of the unofficial install images with nonfree firmware included
4142 [22:38:28] <tako> ?
4143 [22:38:35] <crash_> tako: replaced-url
4144 [22:38:44] <greycat> Installing from a "live" CD won't work on UEFI either.
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4146 [22:39:00] <TomTomTosch> markybob: three in a row :3
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4148 [22:39:20] <luxio> TomTomTosch: I don't get it, that installer looks the exact same
4149 [22:39:27] <markybob> TomTomTosch: it's a good thing i have a good baseball game on ;)
4150 [22:39:28] <tako> okay and i have problem with grud
4151 [22:39:46] <crash_> greycat: Is that known error for 8.4?
4152 [22:39:48] <luxio> TomTomTosch: How would it fix my problem?
4153 [22:39:50] <tako> i'm trying to install debian to my friend
4154 [22:39:51] <crash_> 'a
4155 [22:39:56] <greycat> !live uefi
4156 [22:39:56] <TomTomTosch> luxio: it should look the same. does it still complain about missing firmware?
4157 [22:40:01] <greycat> grr
4158 [22:40:15] <markybob> you saying live doesn't work with uefi should be enough :P
4159 [22:40:22] <greycat> !uefi live
4160 [22:40:22] <dpkg> Currently, UEFI support exists only in Debian's installation images. The accompanying live images do not have support for UEFI boot. <replaced-url
4161 [22:40:33] <luxio> TomTomTosch: Yes, but not for the WiFi dongle I'm trying to install
4162 [22:40:41] <luxio> It only detects eth0 and wlan0, but my wifi dongle should be wlan1
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4164 [22:40:47] <crash_> greycat: I see :)
4165 [22:41:10] <luxio> TomTomTosch: The one that it's complaining about is wlan0, the PCI-E WiFi card that I have, but I don't care about that
4166 [22:41:13] <crash_> greycat: i have always used the unofficial net install isos
4167 [22:41:13] <srg> What's going on with the videolan.org repo and its weak digest algo in apt-get?
4168 [22:41:37] <TomTomTosch> luxio: so can't you deal with that later if wlan0 works? the firmware iso does not contain all firmware.
4169 [22:41:41] <jhutchins> srg: How would #debian know?
4170 [22:41:47] <greycat> how exactly would #debian know what is going on with some random third part site?
4171 [22:41:50] <luxio> TomTomTosch: Oh, wlan0 doesn't work
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4173 [22:42:03] <srg> Well I figure people in #debian use debian and debian repos for popular software
4174 [22:42:08] <srg> But I geuss none of you do.
4175 [22:42:10] <greycat> That is not a debian repository.
4176 [22:42:13] <srg> Yes it is.
4177 [22:42:19] <srg> A repo for debian.
4178 [22:42:22] <greycat> It doesn't even have debian in the URL, idiot.
4179 [22:42:22] <jhutchins> srg: Generally we use debian repos, not non-debian repos.
4180 [22:42:26] <luxio> TomTomTosch: I'm asking how this installer is supposed to help me
4181 [22:42:30] <TomTomTosch> luxio: can you get a wired connection for the install?
4182 [22:42:33] <srg> greycat: yes it does...
4183 [22:42:34] <markybob> srg: it's not a debian repo
4184 [22:42:34] <luxio> TomTomTosch: No, I can't
4185 [22:42:42] <teraflops> srg: mind pasting the repo url?
4186 [22:42:42] <srg> wow, ok people
4187 [22:42:50] <TomTomTosch> luxio: the installer should contain the firmware for the card you mentioned earlier.
4188 [22:42:51] <greycat> No it doesn't. I'm looking right at it. You typed "videolan" and ".org".
4189 [22:42:56] <luxio> if I could get wlan0 to work I wouldn't be asking about all of this in the first place, because I could just install the second firmware
4190 [22:43:04] <srg> direct from my sources.list : deb replaced-url
4191 [22:43:15] <markybob> srg: right. not debian repo
4192 [22:43:21] <greycat> Now it says "download" and "videolan" and "org". Still not a Debian site.
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4194 [22:43:35] <srg> ok jeez, nobody here ever installed libdvdcss on a debian box
4195 [22:43:42] * srg goes elsewhere
4196 [22:43:43] <markybob> actually no
4197 [22:43:59] <jhutchins> !libdvdcss
4198 [22:43:59] <dpkg> libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling <CSS>-encrypted DVDs, not to be confused with <DeCSS>. It is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To acquire, see replaced-url
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4200 [22:44:29] <jhutchins> srg: It is a repo _for_ debian, not _by_ debian.
4201 [22:44:41] <teraflops> srg: heh
4202 [22:45:03] <srg> jhutchins: I know that. I just figured someone would be familiar with what's going on with it. The problem is even on wiki.debian.org.
4203 [22:45:04] <tako> markybob, i'm going to download non-free iso but i also have grub problem on setup and i dont remember the error i'm getting
4204 [22:45:19] <srg> But it's not a big deal to me.
4205 [22:45:21] <srg> So I'm done.
4206 [22:45:22] <tako> markybob, installler cant install grub after ssd replace
4207 [22:45:26] <markybob> tako: probably related to the live cd issue before
4208 [22:45:33] <jhutchins> srg: We appreciate your impression of our omnicience, sadly it is not true.
4209 [22:45:34] <markybob> tako: don't use live and you should be fine
4210 [22:45:35] <luxio> TomTomTosch: So you're saying by using that installer, it should have the firmware already "installed" and detect my dongle?
4211 [22:45:56] <greycat> luxio: there's a chance. Without knowing what chipset your hardware has, we can't say for sure.
4212 [22:46:20] <luxio> greycat: amd64, trying to install AR9271
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4214 [22:46:34] <markybob> yeah, that'll work
4215 [22:47:45] <luxio> It doesn't seem to, because it only says it's scanning eth0 and wlan0
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4218 [22:48:28] <markybob> luxio: okay then after install you can copy over firmware-atheros on usb and dpkg -i the deb ...like i already told you
4219 [22:48:51] <luxio> markybob: So what was the point of using that installer?
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4221 [22:49:09] <markybob> luxio: it includes firmware for most people. just not all
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4223 [22:49:14] <markybob> luxio: you were told that as well
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4227 [22:50:08] <pharpend> Hey guys
4228 [22:50:11] <pharpend> Weird gtk problem
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4230 [22:50:35] <pharpend> The borders in evince are ... you know what, here: replaced-url
4231 [22:50:36] <luxio> Ok I'll try that.
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4233 [22:50:44] <pharpend> the blue surrounding it is my wallpaper
4234 [22:51:13] <pharpend> I'm wondering how to make evince not have that weird stupid floating behavior and just behave like every other window
4235 [22:52:02] * greycat remembers when google-chrome behaved like every other window instead of implementing its own Windows-explorer-style decorations
4236 [22:52:02] <pharpend> Well never mind
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4239 [22:52:18] <pharpend> I apparently had the exact same problem 3 years ago and asked about it on the arch-wiki
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4241 [22:52:35] <pharpend> because I googled my problem and one of the results was a forum post by pharpend
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4243 [22:52:39] <pharpend> er
4244 [22:52:44] <pharpend> s/arch-wiki/arch-bbs/
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4246 [22:52:55] <jhutchins> pharpend: That's a good one.
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4248 [22:53:10] <greycat> I've had things like that happen to me too.
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4252 [22:54:24] <jhutchins> Oh yeah. Quickest way to figure out an obvious solution: post the problem to the internet.
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4255 [22:54:47] <pharpend> I remember encountering the problem a few weeks ago and not being able to solve it
4256 [22:54:55] <pharpend> then I had to read a PDF again and it was getting on my nerves
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4259 [22:55:25] <pharpend> So I tried again, and I must have guessed the right keywords to search
4260 [22:55:59] <pharpend> jhutchins: In characteristic fashion, the forum replies were telling me what an idiot I was for not having read this obscure ArchWiki page
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4262 [22:56:09] <teraflops> pharpend: i3?
4263 [22:56:13] <pharpend> teraflops: yes
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4265 [22:56:15] <teraflops> hmm
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4268 [22:56:22] <garlic> hi all
4269 [22:56:27] <pharpend> garlic: hello
4270 [22:57:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> I hate it when I google for a problem... I find a forum where someone describes the exact same problem... and people only answer him to search the forum for it
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4272 [22:57:24] <greycat> Or the answer is a dead URL.
4273 [22:57:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh yeah, or that
4274 [22:57:44] <pharpend> replaced-url
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4276 [22:58:02] <pharpend> greycat: my favorite is when they say "never mind, figured it out"
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4280 [22:58:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> extra horror points if it's on the ubuntu forums and you have to skip over 12 pages of unrelated questions on "how do I use ls" or something
4281 [22:58:11] <pharpend> greycat: and then close the post
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4284 [22:58:45] <pharpend> To be fair, I usually figure it out within an hour or so after that, and the solution was so obvious that I feel like a moron
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4286 [22:58:47] <teraflops> pharpend: I see the same in xmonad, less pronounced (the gap/border)
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4289 [22:59:16] <pharpend> teraflops: well you should have searched the ArchWiki before trying to install Debian. This seems like your fault
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4291 [22:59:29] <teraflops> pharpend: I do arch most of the time
4292 [22:59:35] <pharpend> teraflops: ah okay =p
4293 [22:59:40] <teraflops> pharpend: I also use zatura :P
4294 [22:59:55] <pharpend> teraflops: Anyway, replaced-url
4295 [23:00:11] <pharpend> teraflops: Oh, they were yelling at me because my screenshots of the issue were too large
4296 [23:00:21] <pharpend> teraflops: because 10K or something ridiculous is the max file size
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4298 [23:00:31] <teraflops> pharpend: heh
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4300 [23:00:50] <pharpend> teraflops: Most computer screens have more than 10 thousand pixels now. If it took 1 byte per pixel, it would be more than 10K
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4302 [23:02:38] <jhutchins> Then there are the people who post stamp-sized images that I'm trying to read on a 10" screen.
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4304 [23:03:06] <pharpend> Don't forget the guy who has 10 monitors and posts a screenshot of all of them combined
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4306 [23:03:52] <Javabean> or for extra pain.. 12 4k monitors
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4308 [23:04:25] <pharpend> Javabean: that's implied by having 10 monitors
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4310 [23:04:54] <pharpend> Javabean: One for each processor on their gaming rig
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4312 [23:05:17] <Javabean> ah, but i was meaning 4kresolution monitors... not 1080p
4313 [23:05:22] <teraflops> pharpend: i sadly do shitty 1366x768 96x96 dots per inch :S
4314 [23:05:34] <pharpend> Javabean: And obviously, they're upset because of a dead pixel, but they don't mention where the dead pixel is
4315 [23:05:42] <jelly> teraflops: 96 dpi is best dpi
4316 [23:05:48] <teraflops> jelly: thanks :P
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4319 [23:06:16] <pharpend> teraflops: I bought myself a 4K monitor a while back, it's very nice. Honestly, though, redshift will do way more than any fancy monitor
4320 [23:06:27] <Javabean> ew, dead pixel... had a dead pixel on the server monitor in the office when i worked at McD's so many years ago
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4322 [23:06:56] <pharpend> teraflops: in the domain of eye strain and overall comfort
4323 [23:06:58] <teraflops> pharpend: hmm getting hdpi setting uniform across apps I heard can be a nightmare
4324 [23:07:07] <pharpend> I haven't had any problems
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4328 [23:07:55] <pharpend> the only issue I have is with font sizes. I have a desktop with a 3840x2160 monitor, and a laptop with 1600x900. At the beginning, I shared dotfiles between the two.
4329 [23:08:05] <pharpend> But 8pt on a 4K monitor is unreadably small
4330 [23:08:16] <pharpend> unless the monitor takes up an entire room
4331 [23:08:30] <pharpend> Likewise, 14pt on a laptop is only acceptable if you are over the age of 75
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4333 [23:08:47] <jelly> OSX does it well "render font size as if you had 96dpi"
4334 [23:08:54] <pharpend> yep
4335 [23:08:55] <teraflops> pharpend: perhaps it depends on the font you're using (i wonder)
4336 [23:09:09] <pharpend> jelly: although, my father had a macbook with a 4k monitor, he had a lot of the rendering issues
4337 [23:09:14] <teraflops> jelly: ah indeed
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4339 [23:09:24] <pharpend> one sec
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4343 [23:10:06] <nebg> hello everyone is there any command/program/utility which simplify the man reading ? i found out that most of the times man pages do not contain examples of application of the program which i find the most useful things... is there some software which deals with these things ? like giving me examples of command applications?
4344 [23:10:34] <pharpend> nebg: there's gnu info
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4346 [23:11:06] <nebg> pharpend, ok most of the times the pages are equal
4347 [23:11:17] <pharpend> nebg: also, many man pages have different versions in different sections
4348 [23:11:21] <pharpend> nebg: try man -k whatever
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4352 [23:12:37] <greycat> Not all man pages are created equal, that's for sure.
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4357 [23:13:23] <pharpend> nebg: gnu info is sort of like really really long man pages
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4359 [23:13:32] <pharpend> nebg: like if a man page was the size of an actual manual
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4363 [23:13:42] <musca> espicially for gnu tools
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4365 [23:13:47] <pharpend> yeah
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4381 [23:20:58] <greycat> To prevent join-floods.
4382 [23:21:09] <zz> ah
4383 [23:21:11] <zz> okay
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4388 [23:23:31] <luxio> I got the wireless device working!
4389 [23:23:36] <luxio> I don't know how to connect to something now
4390 [23:23:57] <pharpend> greycat: has that ever happened? Or is it one of those security problems that never actually occurs
4391 [23:24:08] <greycat> They were popular a decade ago.
4392 [23:24:11] <pharpend> greycat: like man-in-the-middle attacks
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4394 [23:24:30] <greycat> I've actually seen them.
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4396 [23:24:41] <luxio> How do I connect to a network?
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4398 [23:24:50] <jelly> pharpend: these ones you actually notice. You wouldn't notice a good MITM.
4399 [23:24:54] <teraflops> nebg: that said, vim's shift + k on highlighted word can be useful
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4402 [23:25:39] <nebg> teraflops, sorry ? what's shift +k in vim ?
4403 [23:25:51] <teraflops> it opens manpage of any
4404 [23:25:54] <greycat> nebg: man page lookup on current word
4405 [23:26:00] <teraflops> if*
4406 [23:26:18] <luxio> I can't seem to get wireless to work
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4410 [23:27:06] <teraflops> hmm vim opens a new window nvim uses the current one
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4413 [23:28:29] <teraflops> luxio: replaced-url
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4415 [23:28:49] <luxio> teraflops: I read that, but none of the solutions seemed to actually connect me to the internet. I rebooted and nothing happened.
4416 [23:29:15] <teraflops> luxio: then why do you say " got the wireless device working! " :P
4417 [23:29:29] <frogger1> luxio: Open /etc/network in vim, it should be a config file. Add the SSID and password.
4418 [23:29:45] <luxio> teraflops: The device works, I just need to connect to a network
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4420 [23:29:56] <teraflops> luxio: works how?
4421 [23:29:57] <markybob> frogger1: /etc/network isn't even a thing
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4423 [23:30:05] <luxio> teraflops: It displays as a device
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4425 [23:30:56] <pharpend> luxio: one sec, I have a solution
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4428 [23:31:13] <pharpend> luxio: replaced-url
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4430 [23:31:49] <nebg> teraflops, how can i use shift +k ? should i open the page in vim ?
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4434 [23:32:53] <teraflops> nebg: just edit a new file write nc highlight it and then press shift + k
4435 [23:33:17] <nebg> nc ?
4436 [23:33:20] <nebg> ok
4437 [23:33:24] <teraflops> luxio: what's the wireless device name?
4438 [23:33:30] <luxio> wlan1
4439 [23:33:42] <teraflops> nebg: or whatever that has a man page
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4441 [23:33:47] <nebg> teraflops, woow !
4442 [23:34:03] <nebg> are there even other things like this in vim ?
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4445 [23:34:23] <nebg> could i search for function prototypes with this behaviour ?
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4447 [23:34:39] <teraflops> nebg: man pages :S
4448 [23:34:41] <nebg> but what if i'm programming in java/python/perl ... is it possible to tell vim
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4452 [23:34:49] <nebg> teraflops, sorry ?
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4454 [23:35:12] <teraflops> shift + k stands for man pages
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4456 [23:35:30] <teraflops> no idea if you can trigger apis or whatever
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4458 [23:36:05] <teraflops> no idea if if my last sentence made sense too :P
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4465 [23:38:09] <teraflops> nebg: but there is completion for vim just like any other ide if you meant that, my vim usage is pretty limited
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4468 [23:39:32] <deneme> markybob, hi
4469 [23:39:53] <deneme> i installed debian without grub and now i'm getting error "missing operating system"
4470 [23:40:10] <markybob> you're surprised?
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4472 [23:40:14] <deneme> no :D
4473 [23:40:30] <deneme> what can i do now ?
4474 [23:40:32] <markybob> okay. then install with grub on mbr and do it proper
4475 [23:40:48] <markybob> use /dev/sdX and not /dev/sdX1 for grub install when you do
4476 [23:41:21] <deneme> can i do it without new install
4477 [23:41:35] <markybob> on a clean install..really, easier to just reinstall
4478 [23:41:37] <deneme> how can i access mbr
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4480 [23:41:51] <markybob> deneme: the installer will ask you if you want to install to mbr. say yes
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4483 [23:42:37] <luxio> I still can't get my wifi to work
4484 [23:42:40] <deneme> maybe i already installed
4485 [23:42:45] <deneme> it
4486 [23:42:46] <luxio> Configuring /etc/network/interfaces and then rebooting did nothing.
4487 [23:42:49] <markybob> you said you didn't
4488 [23:42:49] <luxio> I am not connected to the network.
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4490 [23:43:02] <deneme> markybox, i didnt installed grub
4491 [23:43:06] <deneme> grub is mbr ?
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4493 [23:43:13] <markybob> deneme: right. you need to install grub TO mbr
4494 [23:43:17] <luxio> deneme: GRUB is a bootloader.
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4496 [23:43:34] <deneme> how can i check that i installed or not installed it
4497 [23:43:54] <luxio> When you boot your computer, do you see grub?
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4500 [23:44:05] <deneme> no i dont see
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4502 [23:44:12] <deneme> i'm getting missin operating error
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4504 [23:44:18] <teraflops> luxio: what happens when you do `sudo ip link set dev wlan1 up` ?
4505 [23:44:19] <luxio> Then you probably don't have it installed
4506 [23:44:22] <deneme> and i have error with installation grub
4507 [23:44:25] <Stealth> hi all
4508 [23:44:36] <markybob> deneme: did you use the fucking live install?
4509 [23:44:49] <Stealth> is there any way to prevent service autostart on apt-get install? some apt config options?
4510 [23:44:52] <deneme> markybob, yes
4511 [23:44:53] <deneme> :D
4512 [23:44:54] <luxio> teraflops: lemme try that
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4515 [23:45:07] <deneme> because my wifi didnt work without live
4516 [23:45:09] <markybob> deneme: yeah don't do that. it's known to be fucked and doesn't support uefi
4517 [23:45:38] <deneme> markybob, i have live installer if i install debian with graphical install section
4518 [23:45:40] <markybob> deneme: use this replaced-url
4519 [23:45:58] <markybob> deneme: i'm telling you live is fucked. use ^
4520 [23:46:18] <markybob> deneme: keep in mind about where i said to install grub
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4522 [23:46:48] <deneme> okay i'm going to reinstall it with the image your sent me now but i dont think that
4523 [23:46:52] <deneme> my wifi will work
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4525 [23:47:01] <deneme> i have intel wifi card
4526 [23:47:05] <markybob> deneme: it would. that's why it includes firmware
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4528 [23:47:08] <teraflops> luxio: why are are you quitting every time you are _trying_ something?
4529 [23:47:10] <luxio> teraflops: Nothing that I notice.
4530 [23:47:13] <markybob> deneme: intel firmware is included in that iso
4531 [23:47:15] <luxio> teraflops: because I need to reboot
4532 [23:47:16] <luxio> into debian
4533 [23:47:31] <teraflops> luxio: ^
4534 [23:47:40] <Javabean> wifi often doesn't work, because the firmware wasn't included in debian because it doesn't meet the DFSG
4535 [23:47:47] <teraflops> luxio: no output at all?
4536 [23:47:53] <luxio> I have installed the firmware, Javabean
4537 [23:47:54] <luxio> teraflops: Nope
4538 [23:48:00] <luxio> I did su -> ip link set dev wlan1 up
4539 [23:48:07] <Javabean> not it doesn't work, but often the reason it doesn't work
4540 [23:48:32] <TomTomTosch> Javabean: that's why they were pointed to the installer containing said firmware.
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4542 [23:48:39] <teraflops> luxio: are you sure wireless tools and wpa supplicant are installed? yes i know these are not the package names but i never remember the exact names
4543 [23:48:43] <markybob> it's firmware night!
4544 [23:48:51] <luxio> teraflops: wpa supplicant is instaleld
4545 [23:48:57] <luxio> s/instaleld/installed
4546 [23:48:58] <markybob> and people don't read :P
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4549 [23:49:05] <teraflops> and wireless tools?
4550 [23:49:12] <luxio> I don't know, how do I check?
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4553 [23:49:58] <teraflops> luxio: apt-cache policy wireless-tools
4554 [23:50:01] <teraflops> e.g
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4556 [23:50:14] <teraflops> dang
4557 [23:50:25] <teraflops> it's going to be hard
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4569 [23:54:22] <luxio> teraflops: It says Installed: (none)
4570 [23:54:26] <luxio> but there's stuff in the version table
4571 [23:54:44] <luxio> and candidate
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4573 [23:55:12] <teraflops> luxio: install the package
4574 [23:55:16] <teraflops> luxio: wait
4575 [23:55:18] <teraflops> !
4576 [23:55:48] <luxio> I'm waiting
4577 [23:55:56] <teraflops> luxio: then try wpa_supplicant -B -i iface -c <(wpa_passphrase 'essid' 'passphrase') && dhclient wlan1 change 'essid' 'passphrase' wit yours
4578 [23:56:13] <luxio> do I include the "wit yours"
4579 [23:56:18] <teraflops> ^
4580 [23:56:51] <teraflops> change 'essid' with your real essid and 'passphrase' with the real passphrase
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4583 [23:57:21] <teraflops> run he command as root
4584 [23:57:50] <luxio> Is there no closing >?
4585 [23:57:54] <luxio> Looks like there should be
4586 [23:58:17] <teraflops> wpa_supplicant -B -i wlan1 -c <(wpa_passphrase 'essid' 'passphrase') && dhclient wlan1
4587 [23:58:19] <teraflops> as root
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4591 [23:58:37] <teraflops> luxio: no, it's fine
4592 [23:58:51] <luxio> ok
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4594 [23:58:53] <jercos> <> aren't paired, <() is a construct
4595 [23:58:54] <teraflops> luxio: if that works then you wireless is ok
4596 [23:58:56] <teraflops> dang
4597 [23:59:14] <teraflops> holly shit he is fast
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4600 [23:59:48] <deneme> markybob, now i'm on the installation screen and i'm getting this error "iwlwifi-6000f2b-7.ucode is missing
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