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49 [08:56:52] <jvava> somiaj: i add a virtual net card, such as: ip link add A type veth peer name B
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68 [09:05:18] <AndreasLutro> I'm running the linux 4.3 kernel due to an intel video issue in 4.4 - but it looks like 4.3 has been removed from backports? is that the norm, to remove old kernel versions like that?
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75 [09:09:14] <jmcnaught> AndreasLutro: yes, the only version i see in jessie-backports now is 4.5
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77 [09:09:21] <jmcnaught> ,kernels
78 [09:09:22] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-rc3-686 (4.6~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); stretch: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.5.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
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83 [09:10:53] <AndreasLutro> that's annoying :/ I would've at least expected a few old releases to be kept around
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86 [09:12:19] <markybob> AndreasLutro: why? stable, testing, sid all only have one. why would backports be different?
87 [09:12:56] <markybob> !tell AndreasLutro about snapshots
88 [09:13:02] <markybob> that might help you
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92 [09:14:37] <jmcnaught> AndreasLutro: did you start using a backports kernel to solve a problem? I recommend using the stock jessie kernel unless you need new hardware support or something
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98 [09:17:51] <markybob> jmcnaught: he said it was a problem with his intel video card
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101 [09:18:45] <jmcnaught> markybob: i understood that as a problem in 4.4 was the reason for using 4.3, but skylake sounds likely
102 [09:19:10] <markybob> good point
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126 [09:28:12] <AndreasLutro> yeah the problem was in 4.4, but I needed some more recent intel drivers from backports which weren't working properly with the 3.16 kernel
127 [09:28:34] <AndreasLutro> I'll check out the snapshots. thanks for the help
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129 [09:28:50] <markybob> AndreasLutro: he has a good point that 4.5 has better skylake support. is that what you have?
130 [09:28:57] <Ulrar> Hi, could someone confirm that mysql server in debian 8 is 5.5 please ?
131 [09:29:15] <markybob> ,v mysql-server-5.5
132 [09:29:16] <judd> Package: mysql-server-5.5 on amd64 -- squeeze-security-lts: 5.5.47-0+deb6u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.47-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.49-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.49-0+deb8u1
133 [09:29:22] <markybob> Ulrar: yep
134 [09:29:30] <Ulrar> Thanks a lot
135 [09:29:34] <Ulrar> Let's dowgrade then
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137 [09:29:59] <AndreasLutro> markybob: I'm running 4.3 right now. I'll try installing 4.5 and see if the video issues I had in 4.4 are fixed later on
138 [09:30:02] <installingproces> ,v iceweasel
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140 [09:30:02] <judd> Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.5.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 38.7.1esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 38.7.1esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.0.2esr-1; sid: 45.0.2esr-1; sid: 45.1.0esr-1
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144 [09:30:55] <markybob> installingproces: you know debian is moving to proper firefox?
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150 [09:32:45] <markybob> installingproces: it's already in sid. for other branches you can get it from replaced-url
151 [09:32:46] <installingproces> markybob yes I have heard that, I have mixed feeling about this decision.
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169 [09:40:52] <Redfoxmoon> how does one go about adding new packages to debian?
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172 [09:41:06] <markybob> Redfoxmoon: to the repos or installing them?
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174 [09:41:12] <Redfoxmoon> to the official repos
175 [09:41:15] <markybob> !mentors
176 [09:41:15] <dpkg> mentors is probably the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. replaced-url
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180 [09:41:41] <Redfoxmoon> oh brother.
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182 [09:41:51] <markybob> Redfoxmoon: it's not easy/quick
183 [09:42:03] <Redfoxmoon> I don't want to become a maintainer nor a developer. just a new package that would benefit debian :)
184 [09:42:12] <somiaj> Redfoxmoon: Are you wanting to reqest a new package be added to debian, or create on yourself to add to debian.
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186 [09:42:17] <markybob> Redfoxmoon: probably not happening then
187 [09:42:23] <markybob> Redfoxmoon: it's not like ubuntu ppa
188 [09:42:31] <Redfoxmoon> markybob, I know.
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190 [09:42:42] <Redfoxmoon> it's a fast libtool replacement written in C :)
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192 [09:42:53] <somiaj> Redfoxmoon: there is a place you can request packages (I forget where), but then you have to wait for someone to want to manage it
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195 [09:43:35] <babilen> dpkg: rfp
196 [09:43:35] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See replaced-url
197 [09:44:23] <Redfoxmoon> alright.
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244 [10:00:08] <f0f4r> How can I misure the extra lookup of using cname over cname?
245 [10:00:21] <pclov3r> I have an odd problem. Maybe somebody can help. It's a VM that takes a long time to boot up with a black screen.
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247 [10:00:33] <pclov3r> There is some kernel flag that gives a more verbose output? Forgot what it was
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251 [10:03:19] <jmcnaught> pclov3r: remove quiet from the kernel command line. if it's using systemd once it's booted you could run "systemd-analyze blame" to see what took so long
252 [10:03:36] <pclov3r> that's right thanks
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259 [10:06:35] <pclov3r> looks like someting with the kernel is stalling
260 [10:06:36] <pclov3r> something
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289 [10:24:51] <pclov3r> jmcnaught, using a backported kernel fixed the issue
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291 [10:25:39] <pclov3r> it's something that appears to have happened with the latest kernel update. Seems to be hanging up on pci memory allocation
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340 [10:43:45] <dionysus69> is there a tool to monitor write speed while I do something like dd for example?
341 [10:43:57] <dionysus69> to usb I mean
342 [10:44:05] <tugrik> iotop?
343 [10:44:05] <Iridos> pclov3r, in the latest stable kernel? (3.16.0)
344 [10:44:22] <tugrik> or dionysus69 dcfldd
345 [10:44:22] <Iridos> dionysus69, dd tells you the write speed
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347 [10:44:46] <dionysus69> nope it doesn't
348 [10:44:49] <pclov3r> yes
349 [10:44:51] <dionysus69> does it have a verbose mode?
350 [10:45:05] <pclov3r> but looking back even more in the log it stalls at using host bridge windows from acpi
351 [10:45:07] <tugrik> it has a relatively obscure verbose mode dionysus69 ;)
352 [10:45:17] <pclov3r> from the kernel output
353 [10:45:26] <tugrik> you have to send it USR2 signals IIRC
354 [10:45:51] <Iridos> dionysus69, it does... 258263178 bytes (258 MB) copied, 2.86536 s, 90.1 MB/s <--- looks like a write speed to me
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356 [10:46:18] <dionysus69> ok i ll wait for it and see it it outputs that but I dont remember really
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359 [10:47:46] <Iridos> the more important question to address is, if you have only written to cache instead of disk when it finishes, if that makes a difference and if you want to account for it
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361 [10:48:01] <Iridos> dd has an option to do sync transfers
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363 [10:48:34] <tugrik> dionysus69: "Sending a USR1 signal to a running 'dd' process makes it print I/O statistics to standard error and then resume copying."
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366 [10:49:05] <Iridos> or you could always do time (dd if=xx of=yy ; sync;sync;) and use that time instead of the one dd gives
367 [10:49:08] <pclov3r> Iridos, but if i install the backport kernel it seems to resolve the issue so probably some bug.
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369 [10:49:21] <pclov3r> it does boot just slowly
370 [10:49:45] <themill> !pv
371 [10:49:45] <dpkg> pv is the pipe viewer, a handy utility to measure data passing through the pipe between processes. It shows how much data has passed, how long it has taken and the speed, as well as estimated completion if that data is available ("pv file" or "-s" is used). Example: "dd if=/dev/sda bs=1M | pv -s 250G | df of=/dev/sdb bs=1M"
372 [10:49:52] <themill> dionysus69: ^^
373 [10:50:04] <Iridos> pclov3r, write a bug report on the kernel... try with the previous version of the kernel to make sure it's really the latest security update
374 [10:50:12] <Iridos> yeah, or pv
375 [10:50:14] <tugrik> dionysus69: dcfldd is like dd but friendlier - and as above, pv is useful too
376 [10:50:20] <tugrik> cheers themill :)
377 [10:50:46] <pclov3r> probably should also look at the changelog
378 [10:50:47] <Iridos> tugrik, if you read that sentence again, you'll see the irony
379 [10:51:23] <Iridos> pclov3r, shouldn't be very hard to find the cause if the only changes are a couple of security fix patches
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382 [10:51:59] <pclov3r> doing a complete clean install right now to see if that fixes it as I can
383 [10:52:02] <tugrik> which sentence Iridos ?
384 [10:52:19] <Iridos> (hard-to-remember-untypable-command is like command but friendlier)
385 [10:52:58] <pclov3r> Iridos, any tips on how to install an old kernel?
386 [10:53:06] <Iridos> dpkg, snapshots
387 [10:53:07] <dpkg> replaced-url
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389 [10:53:39] <Kirito> redis-tools : Breaks: redis-server (< 2:2.6.16-1) but 2:2.4.14-1 is to be installed
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391 [10:53:41] <Kirito> ..is this a bug?
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393 [10:53:55] <pclov3r> Iridos, i guess i could also just install it and have two different kernels...
394 [10:53:59] <Kirito> Unless I'm not understanding what redis-tools is?
395 [10:54:05] <Iridos> pclov3r, if the update is somewhat recent, you might also still have the .deb among /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image* ... then you can just dpkg -i that
396 [10:54:16] <tugrik> Iridos: "dcfldd statusinterval=30" is hard to remember, sending USR1 to a pid you have to look up separately and then watch STDERR is easier? Your definitions of "easier" and "irony" are different to mine
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398 [10:54:42] <pclov3r> Iridos, just did a clean install.
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400 [10:54:47] <pclov3r> Well, Doing
401 [10:54:59] <Iridos> pclov3r, yes for the backports vs stable kernel, because they have different names... the stable kernels are all the same kernel (with the same name) --> only one can be installed
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403 [10:55:28] <pclov3r> looks like i'll have to find the package manually than
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420 [11:00:54] <Iridos> but if it's a so-fresh install, you don't know that any of the 3.16er kernels worked
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423 [11:01:21] <dionysus69> ok I met this weird phenomena, I downloaded osx.dmg which was like 5gb and using dmg2image utility I converted it to osx.iso, the iso file now is 15gb, doesnt make sense, can that be correct?
424 [11:01:25] <pclov3r> hum appears a clean install is doing the same thing
425 [11:02:14] <Iridos> there is no dmg2image in debian
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435 [11:04:47] <dionysus69> Iridos: I downloaded it from the repository
436 [11:04:49] <dionysus69> how come then
437 [11:05:00] <dionysus69> dmg2img I mean
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439 [11:06:21] <jelly> dionysus69: take a look at the package description.
440 [11:06:34] <installingproces> dionysus69 dmg files can be compressed, iso don't, that will be the difference
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442 [11:07:00] <installingproces> I compress large isos by making them dmgs, I make the opposite of what you do lol
443 [11:07:08] <dionysus69> hmm ok I guess just made sure the output file was correct
444 [11:07:21] <pclov3r> Iridos, so if your curious setting acpi=off fixes it.
445 [11:07:25] <dionysus69> well I am preparing installer for macbook
446 [11:07:29] <dionysus69> friend needs help
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449 [11:07:36] <pclov3r> so it appear it's ACPI issues than rather
450 [11:07:37] <installingproces> nice, good luck
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489 [11:20:22] <moop> Iridos: yes
490 [11:20:28] <moop> ^_^
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504 [11:27:20] <JyZyXEL> % sudo apt-get -b source ksystemlog/testing
505 [11:27:25] <JyZyXEL> Selected version '4:15.12.0-1' (testing) for ksystemlog
506 [11:27:26] <JyZyXEL> Get:1 replaced-url
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509 [11:27:41] <JyZyXEL> how come it says to select 'testing' but actually selects experimental?
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512 [11:30:52] <themill> JyZyXEL: the "testing" is for the binary to source package mapping; then it gets the most recent source. Use package=version if you want a specific version
513 [11:31:15] <themill> (-t testing *might* work better in newer apt)
514 [11:31:43] <JyZyXEL> what takes package= as argument?
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516 [11:33:34] <themill> all apt commands
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518 [11:34:13] <JyZyXEL> oh i thought you meant a literal package=
519 [11:34:30] <JyZyXEL> but i guess it meant: ksystemlog=4:15.08.0-1
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521 [11:34:35] <themill> yeah
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526 [11:37:01] <JyZyXEL> interesting, it only seems to be using a single core for compiling
527 [11:38:05] <JyZyXEL> meh, the resulting .deb is as seg-faulty as the current stable version
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529 [11:38:59] <themill> unless you request parallel builds and the maintainer has configured the package for parallel builds, it only uses 1 core
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533 [11:40:15] <JyZyXEL> the manual just says: Compile source packages after downloading them. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Compile.
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535 [11:40:48] <JyZyXEL> there is no link to APT::Get::Compile
536 [11:40:56] <JyZyXEL> and that is the only mention of it in the manual
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538 [11:42:25] <themill> If you care about the way it is built, you don't get apt to do it
539 [11:42:34] <nebg> can somebody explain me in simple terms what avahi-daemon does ?
540 [11:42:46] <JyZyXEL> yeah that seems to be the case
541 [11:43:07] <JyZyXEL> if you don't like the way apt handles it, then call all the build tools yourself
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543 [11:43:46] <themill> it's only dpkg-buildpackage unless you instead want a different build environment (chroot, vm, etc)
544 [11:44:05] <bollo> !tell nebg about zeroconf
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596 [12:17:39] <e-anima> does wheezy still get upgrades? i get infos about a new php 5.5.20 in the security mailer but thats only for jessi
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600 [12:18:38] <themill> dpkg: tell e-anima about wheezy-lts
601 [12:19:45] <e-anima> hmm is lts a different install?
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603 [12:19:59] <e-anima> ok i am confused
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610 [12:25:04] <brigo> e-anima, wheezy does still get upgrades but for a few packages.
611 [12:25:17] <e-anima> ok
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613 [12:25:52] <brigo> e-anima, replaced-url
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632 [12:38:43] <zamba> where can i get packages for squeeze?
633 [12:38:48] <zamba> seems like it's gone from all the apt sources?
634 [12:38:56] <brigo> zamba, archive.debian.org
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636 [12:39:18] <TomTomTosch> !tell zamba about squeeze sources.list
637 [12:40:49] <zamba> thanks both of you :)
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639 [12:41:34] <TomTomTosch> zamba: debian 6 reached EOL and does not get updates. you shouldn't be using it on a machine where security is important.
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642 [12:42:11] <zamba> TomTomTosch: i just need to get it up to date so i can start upgrading it
643 [12:42:16] <zamba> do i have to go through wheezy first?
644 [12:42:22] <themill> yes
645 [12:42:25] <zamba> or can i jump directly to jessie?
646 [12:42:26] <zamba> okei
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651 [12:44:43] <wewlad> hello debs, I've installed multiarch wine-development and guys from #winehq say that usually 'wine' command is capable of deciding on it's own which version (wine32 or wine64) to use
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658 [12:47:05] <wewlad> but for me using 'wine' command I always get 'command not found'
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660 [12:47:23] <wewlad> 'whereis wine' points to '/usr/share/wine' which is an empty dir
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679 [12:56:44] <brigo> wewlad, why don't you install wine?
680 [12:58:42] <wewlad> brigo: because it's version is too old
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686 [13:01:12] <lovezrs> Hello ,If I want to change my debian stable to debian testing,What should I do with the sources.list
687 [13:01:15] <lovezrs> ?
688 [13:01:41] <lovezrs> Thanks to the one who helps me at first ...many thanks
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690 [13:02:26] <TomTomTosch> first you should think twice if testing is what you want.
691 [13:02:44] <TomTomTosch> !tell lovezrs about jessie->stretch
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696 [13:03:45] <lovezrs> TomTomTosch: I thought more than twice ...
697 [13:04:51] <TomTomTosch> lovezrs: if you have to ask that question you probably shouldn't. it's a good idea to stay with stable for a while to learn how things work in debian.
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700 [13:05:32] <lovezrs> "deb replaced-url
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702 [13:06:37] <TomTomTosch> sure
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704 [13:07:00] <lovezrs> TomTomTosch: Thanks for your advise~ Many thanks~ I am going to update my system~
705 [13:07:09] <TomTomTosch> good luck.
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707 [13:07:42] <lovezrs> TomTomTosch: lol ~
708 [13:08:00] <wewlad> how to make 'wine' command work so that it would decide on it's own when to use 'wine-development' and when to use 'wine64-development'?
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710 [13:08:56] <TomTomTosch> wewlad: if you are not using the debian package you should follow their build instructions or ask #winehq
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713 [13:09:27] <wewlad> TomTomTosch: I'm using debian package
714 [13:09:40] <TomTomTosch> wewlad: you said earlier it was too old.
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718 [13:10:15] <wewlad> TomTomTosch: the stable version is too old, -development version from backports isn't
719 [13:10:47] <rafalcpp> Interesting article, re - is systemd an attempt by NSA to gain controll - replaced-url
720 [13:10:58] <TomTomTosch> wewlad: you still need to install wine, not only wine.development
721 [13:11:38] <KostasDi_> Hey there! I uninstalled icedove and installed firefox and chromium. Why is it that some of my applications think firefox is the default and some (erroneously) that it's chromium?
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724 [13:11:58] <TomTomTosch> wewlad: wine from backports that is.
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726 [13:12:10] <justatemp123> Good morning!
727 [13:12:25] <wewlad> TomTomTosch: replaced-url
728 [13:12:41] <justatemp123> If i reinstall debian and copy my whole current home folder to the next installation, will everything go as planned?
729 [13:12:50] <wewlad> I hate broken packages in debian
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731 [13:13:27] <KostasDi_> ** sorry, I mean't IceWeasel
732 [13:13:32] <themill> wewlad: you need -t jessie-backports
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734 [13:14:10] <KostasDi_> "There is only one alternative in link group x-replaced-url
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736 [13:14:56] <justatemp123> boycott google :o
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738 [13:15:12] <wewlad> themill: thanks, but this way it asks for another 303MB, are you sure it won't install another copy of wine?
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741 [13:16:30] <TomTomTosch> justatemp123: should be fine.
742 [13:16:49] <teraflops> KostasDi_: because xdg open. Also tell us what DE if any are you using some DE uses other things for dealing with mimetypes and default applications
743 [13:17:06] <justatemp123> thanks. will backing it up in an ntfs partition keep permissions and timestamps?
744 [13:17:17] <KostasDi_> i3wm
745 [13:17:39] <TomTomTosch> justatemp123: nope, but you can tar it, then it will.
746 [13:17:52] <justatemp123> sweet, will do. thank you
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748 [13:18:55] <wewlad> how to make 'wine' command work so that it would decide on it's own when to use 'wine-development' and when to use 'wine64-development'?
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752 [13:20:29] <wewlad> or how to make apt-get install show versions of the packages it asks me to confirm to install?
753 [13:20:35] <teraflops> KostasDi_: not debian link but this is what you need replaced-url
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755 [13:20:45] <brigo> wewlad, wine-development is not a newer version of wine.
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757 [13:21:14] <brigo> wewlad, use aptitude for that.
758 [13:21:15] <wewlad> brigo: it's a different release branch that usually contains newer version of wine
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760 [13:21:41] <brigo> wewlad, no it isnt. Those packages are empty of binaries.
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762 [13:22:08] <wewlad> brigo: what? how can a package not contain binaries and yet work?
763 [13:22:26] <brigo> wewlad, it isn't working, i think.
764 [13:22:33] <KostasDi_> thanks teraflops, i'll look into it. Still bizarre how chromium is in the list of browsers but firefox isn't
765 [13:22:38] <wewlad> brigo: it works
766 [13:22:48] <TomTomTosch> wewlad: just read the description. "This package provides essential wrappers and convenience tools for the standard Wine components."
767 [13:22:50] <justatemp123> i have been using wine-development successfully as well
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769 [13:23:08] <wewlad> TomTomTosch: that's not an answer to any of my questions :(
770 [13:23:28] <TomTomTosch> wewlad: install wine from jessie-backports. has been said three times.
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774 [13:23:42] <wewlad> TomTomTosch: I think that wrapper is for non development version, which is too outdated
775 [13:23:49] <wewlad> so that's why I need to know what version it is
776 [13:23:57] <brigo> TomTomTosch, he is using wheezy.
777 [13:24:07] <wewlad> brigo: jessie
778 [13:24:27] <wewlad> wait, 8.4
779 [13:24:39] <wewlad> I always get confused what name it has
780 [13:24:41] <wewlad> it's a damn 8.4
781 [13:25:26] <brigo> wewlad, from your paste, the key error is in the 15th line: E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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786 [13:27:01] <wewlad> thanks and never mind, I just got confused
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788 [13:27:16] <justatemp123> so, if i am running jessie, it is better to install wine from backports instead of wine-development?
789 [13:27:22] <wewlad> 'dpkg -l | grep wine' tore the confusion away
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793 [13:27:46] <wewlad> I do have wine-development (as well as 32 and 64 versions of it), and it works
794 [13:27:46] <justatemp123> in order to get the latest possible version i mean
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798 [13:29:16] <TomTomTosch> wewlad: you can check if both the 32 and 64 bit versions are installed.
799 [13:29:18] <Boloyankee> gnome-weather not updating any ideas?
800 [13:29:31] <wewlad> TomTomTosch: no need to, they are
801 [13:29:59] <wewlad> I just need to use wine-development and it will decide which of two versions to use
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805 [13:31:51] <justatemp123> i tar'd my home folder and the tar is bigger than the actual home folder, is it because i used -p for the permissions?
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809 [13:33:02] <petn-randall> justatemp123: How much bigger? It still needs to contain the metadata (where each file starts and where it ends in the tar), so it should naturally be a little larger.
810 [13:33:16] <justatemp123> from 15gb to nearly 19
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812 [13:33:47] <petn-randall> justatemp123: How are you measuring the size of your home?
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814 [13:34:04] <justatemp123> nautilus right click !
815 [13:34:06] <KostasDi_> teraflops, I'm getting an "xdg-settings: unknown desktop environment" error when trying to set the default browser. Google is not being of much help here. Any ideas?
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819 [13:37:00] <petn-randall> justatemp123: I'm not sure how it measures it, maybe it excludes dotfiles. Can you run 'du -sh /home/<yourfolder>' on the command line?
820 [13:37:43] <justatemp123> match :)
821 [13:37:44] <justatemp123> thanks
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824 [13:38:46] <KostasDi_> oh nvm, fixed it
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841 [13:46:26] <pfsense-fan> I am planning to cloning a perfect copy of my SSD which contains debian so I can temporarely use the empty SSD for another task and then restore the IMG so I can use the Debian OS like before. I thought that I could use dd for this, like so:
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843 [13:46:29] <pfsense-fan> dd if=/dev/hda conv=sync,noerror bs=64K | gzip -c > /mnt/sda1/hda.img.gz
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845 [13:47:27] <pfsense-fan> Is this command ok? DO I miss the mbr or somehting else?
846 [13:47:31] <zinx> you should probably leave out the noerror
847 [13:47:42] <zinx> but otherwise, it is fine
848 [13:47:58] <wewlad> when I 'sh /some/file' will that file get executed exactly with 'sh' or is it based on shebang value?
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850 [13:48:18] <zinx> wewlad: it will be executed with sh. however, if sh is bash, bash may interpret the shebang.
851 [13:48:40] <zinx> wewlad: and change compatibility from posix..
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855 [13:49:22] <wewlad> aw, crap
856 [13:49:37] <wewlad> thx zinx
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859 [13:49:56] <wewlad> I'll just pray then that it will work with whatever shell I use
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865 [13:51:23] <pfsense-fan> zinx: thank you, is the bs important since it's a SSD?
866 [13:51:38] <pfsense-fan> or does it even matter beween SSD and HDD?
867 [13:51:55] <zinx> pfsense-fan: not particularly. you'll get different read performance depending on the block size. write performance will be up to gzip.
868 [13:52:24] <pfsense-fan> zinx: thank you. Can I also ask you what the noerror is supposed to be doing?
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870 [13:52:52] <zinx> pfsense-fan: it will replace blocks that can't be read with zeros (due to sync, otherwise it would simply not include errored blocks, which is never what you want).
871 [13:53:10] <zinx> pfsense-fan: without noerror, dd will abort if there is an error.
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875 [13:54:27] <zinx> pfsense-fan: given that the drive you're copying from is presumably good, i'm guessing you want to know about errors :)
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878 [13:55:42] <pfsense-fan> zinx: yes, I am expecting no errors at all and I wish dd to stop if it encouters any
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880 [13:55:48] <pfsense-fan> thank you very much :)
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883 [13:58:24] <wewlad> could anyone explain in a 'tl;dr' way the concept of having 'execute' permissions in the unix system? It's either read or write or both, if I can read something - I can execute it.
884 [13:58:46] <wewlad> and if so - then why an extra permission for that?
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889 [13:59:44] <zinx> wewlad: 1) because you can't neccesarily execute it on that machine. and 2) execute means something else for directories :/
890 [14:00:23] <blind> but read permissions does NOT mean you can execute it..
891 [14:00:27] <zinx> wewlad: you can't execute it, for example, if you can't create files with +x set, and have no program that will run a file without +x set.
892 [14:00:46] <wewlad> zinx: I do have a shell, right?
893 [14:00:51] <wewlad> I may use it as an interpreter
894 [14:01:07] <zinx> wewlad: also, you can execute something without being able to read it.
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896 [14:01:21] <wewlad> if I have a read access to a file, yet I lack execute permissions - I can 'bash /that/file' and it will get executed
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898 [14:01:31] <zinx> (does not work for scripts, of course, as the interpreter has to be able to read them)
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902 [14:01:51] <zinx> wewlad: bash will only interpret scripts. it won't execute binaries.
903 [14:02:16] <Kirito> If I have a fresh Debian Wheezy installation (because my datacenter's version of Debian is apparently out of date), would it be easier/better to just dist-upgrade to jessie or re-install?
904 [14:02:23] <wewlad> zinx: oh, thx
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906 [14:03:08] <markybob> Kirito: on a fresh install i'd just dist-upgrade to jessie
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908 [14:04:01] <Kirito> Thanks, that makes things a bit easier
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941 [14:16:33] <arahael> Kirito: update to latest wheezy and check release notes.
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943 [14:16:42] <Ulrar> Hi, on debian 8 is it possible to downgrade svn to 1.6.17 or something close to that ? Doesn't seem to be what's in the repo
944 [14:16:47] <arahael> Kirito: but yeah, then just do the dist upgrade.
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946 [14:17:13] <arahael> Ulrar: you can use dpkg to manually remove and then install specific versions.
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948 [14:17:43] <Ulrar> arahael: Where would I get that specific version ?
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950 [14:17:56] <arahael> Ulrar: ah. why that specofic version?
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952 [14:18:30] <arahael> Ulrar: it may be appropriate to compile it to /opt/svn-1.6.17
953 [14:18:54] <Ulrar> arahael: A client has quite a lot of repo with that version, and the new one doesn't seem to be compatible
954 [14:19:24] <arahael> Ulrar: which file format backend is it using?
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957 [14:19:56] <Ulrar> Absolutly no idea, never used svn
958 [14:20:00] <arahael> Ulrar: you may want to update them to a newer version - check with #svn?
959 [14:20:24] <Ulrar> I can't go around changing the client's file so not really anyway
960 [14:20:28] <arahael> Ulrar: but if it's so old as to be using the bdb backend (berkerly db), be very wary.
961 [14:21:23] <arahael> Ulrar: sure, keep using the same old server then. bugs and corruption and all.
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964 [14:23:39] <Ulrar> I'll sugest they upgrade, but that's just not my call
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980 [14:30:15] <TheSHAD0W> So, just installed debian xfce from cd1...
981 [14:30:29] <TheSHAD0W> You guys aren't into hand-holding much, are you? :-P
982 [14:31:07] <jelly> correct, TheSHAD0W
983 [14:31:27] <TheSHAD0W> Installing required a bit of knowledge to keep from getting lost... Had to go into network settings to set wifi password rather than having it ask on selection...
984 [14:32:02] <TheSHAD0W> This is stable, so I guess not having any updates isn't out of the question, but seems suspicious...
985 [14:32:24] <TheSHAD0W> Why won't the web browser launch? It pulls up a terminal window that vanishes before I can see anything in it.
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990 [14:34:06] <catbehemoth> will x11vnc work on login screen (debian install with Gnome) if I use systemd to start it?
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995 [14:38:30] <TheSHAD0W> Was the web browser supposed to come on another CD, maybe?
996 [14:38:45] <TheSHAD0W> Not installed on CD1?
997 [14:39:06] <jelly> catbehemoth: if you make sure it runs after gdm/lightdm/whatever login screen, it ought to
998 [14:39:10] * TheSHAD0W notes he didn't hook to network on install
999 [14:39:44] <jelly> TheSHAD0W: iceweasel should be installed with xfce desktop task, I think
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1002 [14:40:21] <jelly> judd: recommends task-xfce-desktop
1003 [14:40:22] <judd> Package task-xfce-desktop in jessie/amd64 -- recommends: xfce4-goodies, xfce4-power-manager, xfce4-mixer, xfce4-terminal, mousepad, orage, libreoffice-gtk, dbus-x11, xsane, vlc, quodlibet, evince-gtk | evince, tango-icon-theme, network-manager-gnome, synaptic, iceweasel, libreoffice, libreoffice-help-en-us, mythes-en-us, hunspell-en-us, hyphen-en-us, system-config-printer, gnome-orca.
1004 [14:40:29] <jelly> yeah, it's there
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1006 [14:41:16] <TheSHAD0W> jelly: Did a search in synaptic, didn't find it...
1007 [14:41:29] <TheSHAD0W> Well, it didn't find anything, so, hum.
1008 [14:41:46] <jelly> TheSHAD0W: it ought to be already installed, is it not?
1009 [14:41:48] <TheSHAD0W> Do I need to add wildcards to the search?
1010 [14:42:07] <jelly> TheSHAD0W: pastebin the output of "dpkg -l libc6 iceweasel task-xfce-desktop"
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1013 [14:42:41] <TheSHAD0W> Pastebin without a webbrowser isn't all that easy. :-P
1014 [14:42:54] <jelly> TheSHAD0W: or paste the last three lines in here
1015 [14:43:19] <jelly> or just try to run "iceweasel &" in a different terminal
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1017 [14:43:36] <jelly> !pastebinit
1018 [14:43:53] <jelly> dselect: pastebinit
1019 [14:43:53] <dselect> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
1020 [14:44:13] <TheSHAD0W> I'm not irc-ing from that device.
1021 [14:44:21] <TheSHAD0W> It shows iceweasel as "un".
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1026 [14:46:02] <jelly> TheSHAD0W: ah, that's weird. Install it, then. is task-xfce-desktop installed at all?
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1031 [14:46:16] <TheSHAD0W> Yes, it is.
1032 [14:46:32] <TheSHAD0W> 3.31+deb8u1.
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1034 [14:47:06] <TheSHAD0W> apt-get install iceweasel <- correct?
1035 [14:47:11] <jelly> yes
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1039 [14:47:40] <catbehemoth> jelly: how can I do that? I am trying to run x11vnc with systemd can I add something in it to make sure it boots after gdm? like wantedby=gdm?
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1041 [14:48:32] <TheSHAD0W> "Package iceweasel is not available, but is referred to by another package..."
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1045 [14:50:54] <jelly> catbehemoth: no idea how that's actually done, I'm almost totally clueless about systemd units
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1049 [14:51:11] <TheSHAD0W> Maybe my archive server list is borked?
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1052 [14:51:22] <TomTomTosch> TheSHAD0W: you have no internet connection and only cd1?
1053 [14:51:26] <jelly> TheSHAD0W: it sounds like your sources are incomplete, apparently that happens sometimes after an install without network
1054 [14:51:36] <TheSHAD0W> Yoy.
1055 [14:51:42] <jelly> dselect: tell TheSHAD0W about jessie sources.list
1056 [14:51:47] <TheSHAD0W> TY
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1058 [14:52:07] <ArtooDetoo> Hey, does anyone know why there is no snmptrapd in wheezy?
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1063 [14:54:27] <jelly> ArtooDetoo: um... I have it. snmpd: /usr/sbin/snmptrapd
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1065 [14:55:08] <jelly> ii snmpd 5.4.3~dfsg-2.8+deb7u1 amd64 SNMP (Simple Network Management
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1067 [14:55:43] <ArtooDetoo> so it's included in snmpd?
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1069 [14:56:06] <ArtooDetoo> oh, just found out, I have to enable it in /etc/default/snmpd
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1078 [14:58:02] <TheSHAD0W> Yup, sources file was borked.
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1080 [14:58:23] <icantthinkofsome> hey. Nouveau cannot detect my GTX960, although it is supposed to be supported. Is it supported only on SID maybe?
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1082 [14:58:52] <icantthinkofsome> dmesg says unknown chipset
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1087 [15:00:44] <jelly> icantthinkofsome: try grabbing the backported kernel, for a start.
1088 [15:00:53] <jelly> dselect, tell icantthinkofsome about bdo kernel
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1091 [15:01:29] <jelly> dselect, tell icantthinkofsome about jessie backports
1092 [15:01:46] <icantthinkofsome> thanks. is the backports kernel stable enough?
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1095 [15:02:13] <icantthinkofsome> or is it just the SID
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1102 [15:03:26] <jelly> you'll have to be the judge on how stable it is on your hw setup
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1106 [15:04:02] <icantthinkofsome> maybe i should just man up and go sid all the way]
1107 [15:04:04] <jim> icantthinkofsome, it's possible to view the bug reports for it... you'd get a better, more specific idea abut what its perceived stability is
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1110 [15:04:49] <jim> icantthinkofsome, you'd open yourself to a lot of problems that way
1111 [15:04:53] <TheSHAD0W> Updating other packages before installing iceweasel. I'm getting a lot of warnings about gtk2 not being installed. Because this is the xfce version?
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1113 [15:05:52] <jelly> TheSHAD0W: it would be nice if you could pastebin the actual output
1114 [15:05:59] <jim> debian might not have a different iceweasel per de
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1116 [15:06:39] <icantthinkofsome> why dselect suggests using aptitude instead of apt-get ?
1117 [15:07:03] <jim> aptitude is a little better at resolving deps
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1120 [15:07:34] <icantthinkofsome> i have been using apt-get since forever :o
1121 [15:07:36] <icantthinkofsome> what about apt?
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1123 [15:07:45] <mipo> hi there
1124 [15:07:47] <jim> dunno
1125 [15:07:48] <mipo> there is no way to cancel HDD format process that make no problem for that HDD?
1126 [15:07:54] <jelly> icantthinkofsome: it doesn't really matter
1127 [15:08:05] <themill> !wb
1128 [15:08:05] <dpkg> thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
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1135 [15:09:07] <icantthinkofsome> thanks.. and a last question.. if i leave backports in my sources, nothing will be received from there unless i explicitly specify, right?
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1139 [15:10:11] <jelly> yes, that's right icantthinkofsome
1140 [15:10:32] <icantthinkofsome> thank you. Onto the uncertainty train i go now
1141 [15:10:35] <icantthinkofsome> have a nice day
1142 [15:10:37] <jelly> you only get upgrades from jessie-backports for stuff you explicitely installed from jessie-bacports once
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1145 [15:11:12] <jim> mipo, has the format happened yet?
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1153 [15:12:50] <TheSHAD0W> Iceweasel is working now, thank you jelly.
1154 [15:12:50] <mipo> jim: it's in process yet. I just can see udisksd process in top command.
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1156 [15:12:56] <TheSHAD0W> I'll play with this thing more later.
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1159 [15:14:05] <mipo> jim: and I want to shutdown my computer but it need root password.
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1178 [15:18:14] <lovezrs> TomTomTosch: Hah,I am back~
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1181 [15:19:06] <TomTomTosch> oh no! uhm, hello, i mean :3
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1188 [15:22:07] <thms__> how can I do that ?
1189 [15:22:10] <cmtptr> hi, wmii fails to load any xft fonts unless I install libxft-dev. I'm new to debian and don't know how things are done here; is this considered normal, or should I open a bug?
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1191 [15:22:42] <cmtptr> thms__, you might want apt-mark showmanual
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1194 [15:23:49] <TomTomTosch> thms__: you can use dpkg --get-selections > somefile; dpkg --set-selections < somefile;
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1197 [15:24:43] <cmtptr> oh, that's cool
1198 [15:24:52] <themill> !aptitude clone
1199 [15:24:52] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
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1203 [15:25:56] <themill> cmtptr: there shouldn't be anything helpful in that -dev package for wmii
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1205 [15:26:26] <jim> mipo, and you don't have the root passwd?
1206 [15:26:59] <cmtptr> themill, well, without it there's no symlink libXft.so -> libXft.so.2.3.2, and wmii fails to load any xft fonts. I'll open a bug, thanks
1207 [15:27:13] <themill> that symlink shouldn't be needed
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1209 [15:27:31] <themill> (both from a policy perspective and also from a technical one)
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1211 [15:27:49] <cmtptr> well, for some reason it is
1212 [15:28:34] <babilen> cmtptr: wmii is (sadly) not being developed anymore (unless I missed its resurrection)
1213 [15:28:54] <cmtptr> you are correct, it isn't. but I presume its package is still maintained by debian
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1215 [15:29:19] <babilen> It has not yet been removed, yes
1216 [15:29:22] * jelly still has xv installed
1217 [15:29:31] <thms__> TomTomTosch, it doesnt work..
1218 [15:29:39] <thms__> themill, thanks
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1220 [15:29:54] <themill> wmii doesn't even link against libxft
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1226 [15:30:34] <jelly> maybe it dlopen()s
1227 [15:31:28] <cmtptr> that would make sense why it can find libXft.so but not libXft.so.x.y.z
1228 [15:31:52] <themill> libxft = dlopen("libXft.so", RTLD_LAZY);
1229 [15:32:25] <jelly> !win me
1230 [15:32:25] <dpkg> Congratulations, jelly! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
1231 [15:32:27] <themill> (it is wrapped in a conditional that should allow it to work without, but meh)
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1233 [15:32:45] <cmtptr> it does work without it. it just doesn't load xft fonts
1234 [15:33:04] <TomTomTosch> thms__: it does. needs an apt-get dselect-upgrade afterwards, which i forgot. it's in the debian handbook. the other approach looks better though.
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1236 [15:33:08] <themill> ack
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1240 [15:33:40] <themill> cmtptr: sounds like that package should be recommended or the dlopen fixed to be less silly
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1266 [15:44:05] <nadeem> please help
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1270 [15:44:49] <nadeem> when i write " man man" i get text scattered over srceen , cannot read the manpage properly
1271 [15:45:30] <nadeem> but from tty terminals its organized , from gnome-terminal scattered text
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1273 [15:45:42] <nadeem> please help
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1275 [15:46:29] <Stummi> nadeem, what does "echo $TERM" say in your gnome terminal?
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1277 [15:47:17] <nadeem> xterm
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1279 [15:48:16] <nadeem> @stummi
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1285 [15:49:37] <Stummi> hm, works for me
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1288 [15:50:51] <Stummi> nadeem, does it work within a "bash -n" instance in gnome-terminal (type "bash -n", than gnome-terminal)
1289 [15:51:01] <Stummi> erm *type bash -n, than man man
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1293 [15:51:08] <Stummi> and no private queries, please
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1297 [15:52:39] <icantthinkofsome> i installed the jessie-backports kernel in order to get nouveau support for my card, but it doesn't seem to work and i will opt for the proprietary driver from said backports. I cannot install it due to broken packages. Should i remove the backports kernel and install the drivers, or can i somehow get the new drivers for my backports kernel?
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1300 [15:52:49] <icantthinkofsome> and which would be preferred? :D
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1304 [15:53:31] <nadeem> @stummi what command to type
1305 [15:53:47] <Stummi> nadeem, what I just told you
1306 [15:53:52] <Stummi> bash -n, than man man
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1308 [15:54:12] <nadeem> @stummi where should i write this
1309 [15:54:27] <Stummi> in your gnome-terminal. Can you try thinking for yourself, please?
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1312 [15:55:27] <nadeem> @ stummi i get no output
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1315 [15:56:44] <Stummi> okay, so you did something wrong
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1317 [15:57:22] <icantthinkofsome> well, lets try another question. If i apt-get remove the backports kernel, will everything be fine?
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1319 [15:58:03] <nadeem> @stummi when i wrote in gnome-terminal "bash -n" it showed me "bash-4.3$ "
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1322 [15:58:24] <Stummi> nadeem, fine, and what happened when you wrote man man after that?
1323 [15:58:33] <Stummi> you had no output?
1324 [15:58:39] <nadeem> @stummi no output
1325 [15:59:10] <nadeem> @stummi yes no output
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1327 [15:59:42] <nadeem> @stummi it doesnt accept any command now
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1330 [16:00:13] <Stummi> nadeem, can you paste what you see to paste.debian.net?
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1333 [16:00:59] <themill> did you want --norc not -n?
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1341 [16:03:15] <Stummi> themill, huh? thats not the same? My bad
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1345 [16:03:58] <nadeem> @stummi check this replaced-url
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1349 [16:04:32] <Stummi> nadeem, as themill said, try bash --norc instead of -n
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1352 [16:05:11] <icantthinkofsome> i booted in the old kernel, and did "apt-get -t jessie-backports -remove linux-image-amd64" and "apt-get remove --purge linux-image-.....bpo.1-amd64"
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1354 [16:05:15] <icantthinkofsome> is this a good move?
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1356 [16:05:33] <themill> Stummi: I don't see -n in bash(1) except in the context of not executing commands
1357 [16:05:37] <nadeem> @stummi same scattered text
1358 [16:05:55] <themill> (sh -n was once upon a time for syntax checking)
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1360 [16:06:18] <Stummi> nadeem, thats strange. Maybe your terminfo is broken or something? Does it happen with a fresh gnome-terminal as well?
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1362 [16:06:38] <nadeem> @stummi but when i type "man man | less " its in organized manner
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1364 [16:07:09] <Stummi> nadeem, can you try "TERM=dumb man man"?
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1373 [16:09:15] <nadeem> @stummi shows "terminal not fully functional " and when i press enter after that displays in organized manner
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1376 [16:09:36] <nadeem> @stummi in simpler terms works fine on that
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1382 [16:10:26] <Stummi> nadeem, which debian version do you have?
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1386 [16:11:04] <nadeem> @stummi jessie
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1389 [16:11:39] <jak2000> hi all, i have a extra Hard drive connected, to my system, how to detect it?
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1391 [16:12:00] <nadeem> @stummi what to do now
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1396 [16:12:38] <Stummi> nadeem, don't know sorry. As said it sounds pretty much like a broken terminfo to me, but I have no idea how this could happen
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1402 [16:14:16] <nadeem> please help !!!!!!when i write " man man" i get text scattered over srceen , cannot read the manpage properly , but when "man man | less" it works fine
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1404 [16:14:47] <themill> a screenshot might help
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1413 [16:17:16] <Paddy> hello. i have a "AMD A6-7400K Radeon R5" system with problems regarding the display of videos
1414 [16:17:31] <Paddy> how should i go about finding a solution?
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1435 [16:24:40] <jak2000> Stummi are you there?
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1459 [16:34:14] <Paddy> for reportbug i receive "Your version (1:7.5.0-1) of xserver-xorg-video-radeon appears to be out of date." but dist-upgrade shows nothing to process
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1481 [16:41:47] <ghoti> What's a quick and easy way to connect a relay which I'll control from a shell script, with minimal extra hardware? I've got a free serial port -- could I attach something to DTR, and toggle that using `stty` perhaps?
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1485 [16:42:13] <ghoti> Hmm. Is DTR, or RTS a better way to power a relay from a serial port? What can I toggle most easily from shell?
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1497 [16:44:20] <nadeem> please help
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1499 [16:44:59] <nadeem> i get scattered text "man grep" for manpages but "man grep | less " works fine
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1501 [16:45:33] <nadeem> here is the snapshot replaced-url
1502 [16:46:03] <nadeem> i get unreadable texts
1503 [16:46:41] <nadeem> please help anybody here
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1505 [16:46:55] <ghoti> nadeem: I get an "Entry not found" at the URL you posted. Does this happen on new terminals, or only in a terminal that you've been using for a while?
1506 [16:47:16] <jhutchins> nadeem: Try typing man: grep into the address field of your web browser.
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1508 [16:47:40] <ghoti> jhutchins: that may get him the documentation, but doesn't fix his underlying terminal problem..
1509 [16:47:49] <nadeem> @ghoti for gnome terminal
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1511 [16:48:19] <ghoti> nadeem: what are you looking for -- a solution to the corrupt terminal output, or the documentation for `grep`?
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1513 [16:48:53] <nadeem> @jhutchins i get scatterred text on gnome-terminal , its awful when i am working with g++ and errors are scatterd over the screen
1514 [16:49:12] <nadeem> @ghoti solution to terminal
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1518 [16:50:45] <ghoti> nadeem: as a quick fix, you might try running GNU Screen inside gnome-terminal. Screen often masks other terminal emulation problems.
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1520 [16:51:22] <nadeem> @ghoti how
1521 [16:51:36] <ghoti> nadeem: other than that, I'd check to see if your shell's startup scripts set your TERM variable to something. Most likely, you should leave such variables alone.
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1523 [16:52:08] <ghoti> nadeem: in your terminal, type "screen" and hit Enter. If you get a "command not found" error, then use your package manager to install screen.
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1528 [16:52:37] <teraflops> nadeem: what does say echo $TERM there?
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1536 [16:55:01] <nadeem> @terflops xterm
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1541 [16:55:34] <nadeem> @ghoti check my .bashrc file replaced-url
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1555 [16:58:47] <nadeem> @terflops
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1559 [16:59:49] <teraflops> nadeem: give a try to set it to xterm-256color
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1563 [17:01:34] <nadeem> @terflops inside bashrc
1564 [17:01:38] <Slimmy> Hello. I am running sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree but for some reason I get error that such package was not found. Any ideas?
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1566 [17:01:57] <ghoti> nadeem: please stick to public chat, I'm not providing private tech support.
1567 [17:02:13] <teraflops> nadeem: just TERM=xterm-256color gnome-terminal from an existing terminal
1568 [17:02:13] <nadeem> @ghoti fyn
1569 [17:02:14] <babilen> Slimmy: do you have configured contrib in your sources.list ?
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1576 [17:02:49] <critter> Hi
1577 [17:02:52] <nadeem> @terflops same unscattered text
1578 [17:03:15] <Slimmy> babilen: Is addind a line "deb replaced-url
1579 [17:03:20] <babilen> No
1580 [17:03:24] <ghoti> nadeem: inside gnome-terminal, type "screen" and hit Enter. This will launch GNU Screen. YOu'll get a banner page -- hit Enter again, and you'll get a prompt. Then try "man man" and see what you get.
1581 [17:03:25] <nadeem> and i get " ' " these special charecters more
1582 [17:03:27] <Slimmy> babilen then no
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1584 [17:03:47] <babilen> Slimmy: "deb replaced-url
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1587 [17:04:07] <Slimmy> babilen: oh.. Ok thanks. however whats the difference?
1588 [17:04:08] <babilen> Slimmy: You might also want to upgrade to jessie rather than relying on backports for wheezy
1589 [17:04:08] <nadeem> @ghoti i did but same scattered text
1590 [17:04:16] <critter> different versions of the same release (i.e. jessie) can achieve up to date status via apt-get update?
1591 [17:04:26] <teraflops> nadeem: Mind sharing a screnshot or paste?
1592 [17:04:31] <babilen> Slimmy: Well, spaces in the right places I guess that allow the packaging system to correctly parse the input :)
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1594 [17:04:41] <ghoti> nadeem: interesting. In that case, with the information you've provided so far, I don't have any further advice, sorry.
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1596 [17:04:48] <Slimmy> babilen: Stupid mistake of me. thanks a lot
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1599 [17:05:10] <babilen> No problem
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1602 [17:06:25] <Slimmy> btw guys, where are the commands I have run stored?
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1606 [17:07:16] <Paddy> Slimmy: have a look at ~/.bash_history
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1608 [17:07:46] <nadeem> @terflops wait
1609 [17:07:47] <Slimmy> thanks paddy
1610 [17:07:49] <teraflops> nadeem: are your locales right? Tried with a stock bash configuration? From where are you gettinng the issue, editor? Cat/less a file?....
1611 [17:07:51] <Slimmy> have a nice day y'all
1612 [17:08:10] <Slimmy> Sorry to leave I feel selfish but I am in a rush.
1613 [17:08:13] <Slimmy> See you.
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1615 [17:08:56] <DammitJim> how can I set up permissions on a folder such that if a user places a file in there with permissions 644
1616 [17:09:04] <nadeem> @terra when i type "man man" or any man page i get scattered text from my gnome-terminal
1617 [17:09:04] <DammitJim> that I can replace it without doing sudo?
1618 [17:09:18] <Paddy> whether you get feedback on a bug report and when is hard to tell, rightß
1619 [17:09:21] <Paddy> ?
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1621 [17:10:52] <teraflops> nadeem: what does echo $PAGER say?
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1627 [17:12:12] <nadeem> @terra no output just newline
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1629 [17:12:46] <teraflops> nadeem: tab exists also I'm not channel operator and thi is not twitter :P
1630 [17:13:13] <teraflops> nadeem: please try it with a stock bash configuration or a new user
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1634 [17:13:35] <nadeem> @terra check this replaced-url
1635 [17:14:21] <nadeem> @terra igot this ->~$ echo $PAGER ->~$
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1639 [17:16:12] <jak2000> anyone can tell me if i am ok: replaced-url
1640 [17:16:21] <nadeem> @terra what to do now
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1643 [17:16:41] <teraflops> 17:13:13 teraflops ⎸ nadeem: please try it with a stock bash configuration or a new user
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1645 [17:17:08] <nadeem> @terra i looged as root user still same
1646 [17:17:23] <nadeem> its only with gnome-terminal
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1649 [17:17:39] <nadeem> from tty1-6 its working fine
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1653 [17:18:48] <teraflops> ^
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1655 [17:18:59] <towo`> jak2000, no, you are not ok with your entries
1656 [17:19:09] <Stummi> nadeem, what about xterm, rxvt or another terminal emulator you have?
1657 [17:19:26] <towo`> jak2000, you have written 4 times the same device to 4 different mountpoints
1658 [17:19:28] <jak2000> wich is bad?
1659 [17:19:35] <Stummi> nadeem, do you have installed any kind of third software, below that from the jessie repos?
1660 [17:19:52] <icantthinkofsome> With nvidia-driver from the backports, will nvidia-settings from the main repo work?
1661 [17:19:55] <towo`> jak2000, start and think
1662 [17:20:08] <towo`> icantthinkofsome, yes
1663 [17:20:25] <nadeem> @stummi on xterm works fine
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1666 [17:21:06] <icantthinkofsome> thanks
1667 [17:21:08] <nadeem> @stummi vlc dropbox sublimetext, but i got this error from paste 2-3 weeks
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1670 [17:21:26] <Stummi> nadeem, ... what?
1671 [17:21:38] <Stummi> nadeem, well, maybe you just should use another terminal, if gnome-terminal sucks that hard
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1676 [17:22:36] <nadeem> @stummi how to resolve it for gnome-terminal, is their any command to reset gnome-ternminal to initial configration
1677 [17:22:41] <teraflops> nadeem: stock bash stock gnome in jessie using gnome-terminal I get echo $PAGER -> less and it look like replaced-url
1678 [17:22:48] <Stummi> nadeem, its not actually "scattered", it seems that just bold text is not displayed in your gnome-terminal
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1681 [17:23:02] <Stummi> nadeem, have you changed anything on gnome-terminals configuration?
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1683 [17:23:19] <nadeem> @stummi i dont remember
1684 [17:23:28] <nadeem> @terra how to resovel
1685 [17:23:34] <nadeem> resolve
1686 [17:23:48] <teraflops> heh please use the fine tab key :P
1687 [17:24:23] <Stummi> nadeem, try: $ echo test1 $(tput bold)test2 $(tput sgr0) test3 - what do you see?
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1689 [17:24:34] <ueber> hi there
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1692 [17:24:48] <ueber> I've got a problem with friendly url after enabling SSL, on Apache2
1693 [17:25:07] <nadeem> @stummi its diplays "test1 test2" tabs in between
1694 [17:25:18] <nadeem> @stummi its diplays "test1 test3" tabs in between
1695 [17:25:21] <Stummi> nadeem, well, then your terminal just eats bold text
1696 [17:25:32] <Stummi> look through the configuration if you find something accordingly
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1698 [17:25:49] <nadeem> in bashrc
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1700 [17:25:57] <teraflops> nope in gnome terminal
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1702 [17:27:38] <nadeem> @terra can draw steps
1703 [17:27:43] <teraflops> nadeem: not in english but you get the idea replaced-url
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1706 [17:28:25] <teraflops> right click on the fine gnome terminal and select profile properties or something like that
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1709 [17:29:20] <nadeem> @terra u r awesome thanks buudy
1710 [17:29:37] <nadeem> i got it i had bold color black
1711 [17:29:43] <nadeem> silly error
1712 [17:29:50] <teraflops> nadeem: you too but remember to use the tab key and irc is not tweeter ;)
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1714 [17:29:58] <teraflops> nadeem: nah thanks to Stummi
1715 [17:30:07] <nadeem> @Stummi thanks
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1717 [17:30:40] <nadeem> @terflops i wll
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1725 [17:33:20] <nadeem> @terra where can i learn about linux
1726 [17:33:35] <teraflops> here
1727 [17:34:44] <nadeem> @terra i mean scripts and system programming
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1732 [17:35:40] <teraflops> replaced-url
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1735 [17:36:22] <jak2013> towo` are you there?
1736 [17:36:36] <towo`> what?
1737 [17:36:48] <Myrtti> nadeem: if you use the tab key to automatically correct and complete a person's nickname instead of @ and trying to fumble for the nickname, they'll probably get alerted that you're talking to them. The tab key is above the caps lock key in most keyboards.
1738 [17:37:04] <jak2013> is valid change: /dev/sdb1 /disk4tb/disk1/ ext4 defaults 0 0 by /dev/sdb1 /disk4tb/disk1/ ext4 auto,defaults 0 0 ?
1739 [17:37:21] <nadeem> Myrtti: k
1740 [17:37:31] <Myrtti> nadeem: whee!
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1742 [17:37:35] <towo`> jak2013, have you read your own paste?
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1745 [17:37:50] <towo`> jak2013, your problem at the moment are not the mount-options
1746 [17:38:23] <towo`> jak2013, you have written 4 times /dev/sdb1, do you think, that sounds right?
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1748 [17:38:24] <nadeem> teraflops: for system programming
1749 [17:38:40] <jak2013> i changed every line by sdb1, sdb2, sdb3, sdb4
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1751 [17:38:57] <teraflops> Myrtti: I already told him like 4 times ...
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1754 [17:39:13] <Myrtti> teraflops: maybe the meaning didn't sink in ;-)
1755 [17:39:16] <towo`> jak2013, and what do you think was wrong with defaults?
1756 [17:39:29] <nadeem> teraflops: sorry buddy
1757 [17:39:40] <teraflops> nadeem: np
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1761 [17:40:11] <nadeem> teraflops: for system programmerq
1762 [17:40:20] <programmerq> !
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1764 [17:40:46] <jak2013> the 'auto' added the a'auto'
1765 [17:40:47] <jak2013> :)
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1769 [17:41:16] <towo`> jak2013, defaults implies auto
1770 [17:41:27] <towo`> jak2013, so adding auto is useless
1771 [17:41:30] <teraflops> nadeem: grab some books like replaced-url
1772 [17:41:43] <jak2013> ok...
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1782 [17:45:18] <wsky> i use a thinkpad x220 whith Jessie and there is no /proc/acpi/ibm/thermal so i cannot controll my fan speed with thinkfan
1783 [17:45:25] <wsky> is there some solution for this?
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1785 [17:45:37] <wsky> this happens both with the default and the backported kernels
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1787 [17:46:02] <nadeem> teraflops: one more question , i recently installed cisco packet teracer on my debian system, but when i run it from terminal its just displays "starting cicso packet tracer"
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1790 [17:46:20] <nadeem> teraflops: no gui after that
1791 [17:46:21] <wsky> i have thinkpad_acpi fan_control set to 1 so it should be all fine
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1800 [17:51:28] <nadeem> i recently installed cisco packet teracer on my debian system, but when i run it from terminal its just displays "starting cicso packet tracer" no gui after that
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1806 [17:54:22] <Haohmaru> i'm reading some tutorial from 2010 about setting up svn server.. it instructs me to edit /etc/inetd.conf .. but it doesn't exist in my case (debian 8.4) do i just create it or is that sort of usage no longer "okay" ?
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1808 [17:54:51] <somiaj> Haohmaru: you may have to install inetd
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1810 [17:54:57] <Haohmaru> oh
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1812 [17:55:30] <somiaj> Haohmaru: looks like the package is iputils-inetd there is also xinetd
1813 [17:55:47] <somiaj> Haohmaru: though with systemd inetd may no longer be needed and may not be the proper way to get the svn server running.
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1817 [17:56:41] <Haohmaru> basically, i have to put one command in the config, which (as far as i understand) would start svn with a few specific arguments
1818 [17:57:03] <somiaj> I'm unsure here, but inetd doesn't seem to installed by default anymore (unlike past versions)
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1820 [17:57:16] <Haohmaru> yeah, it's not installed
1821 [17:57:28] <somiaj> Haohmaru: inetd will listen on the port for you, then execute the desired commands when something connects to the port
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1824 [17:57:46] <Haohmaru> oh, so it's not what i thought
1825 [17:57:47] <somiaj> Haohmaru: I'm unsure if systemd has tools for this
1826 [17:57:54] <Haohmaru> okay, then i'll install it
1827 [17:58:03] <mond> Hello! Anybody knows how to solve this replaced-url
1828 [17:58:04] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1830 [17:58:22] <somiaj> but you are using an older guide and I'm unsure on what changes with svn Haohmaru. But debian still provides inetd and it will probabaly still work (just may not be the modern way to do it)
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1832 [17:58:38] <mond> cannot even uninstall libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx >_<
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1834 [17:58:47] <somiaj> mond: what version of debian?
1835 [17:58:52] <Haohmaru> okay, thanks
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1837 [17:59:13] <mond> somiaj, stretch/sid
1838 [17:59:15] <mond> BP
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1840 [17:59:45] <somiaj> mond: the legacy packages may be a pain to use in stretch/sid due to the kernel and xorg changing enough to breack compadability with the build of the non-free blob
1841 [17:59:59] <mond> :(
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1845 [18:00:39] <somiaj> mond: Would nouveau work fine for your older card? As for removing the package, the post install/remove scripts are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and you can comment out the bad lines or put an 'exit 0' at the top of the script to get it to exit nicely and allow dpkg to remove the package
1846 [18:00:53] <somiaj> mond: note this will make the script not do what it is supose to do and may leave artifcats on your machine.
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1850 [18:01:17] <mond> somiaj, it works but without hardware acceleration
1851 [18:01:23] <somiaj> mond: but if stretch/sid kernel or xorg abi becomes uncompadable with the legacy package, you'll just have to wait first for nvidia to fix the issue, and then debian to package the fix.
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1853 [18:01:40] <somiaj> mond: nouveau should have some basic harwdare acceleration (Espically for older cards). But I haven't used it for a while
1854 [18:01:50] <somiaj> mond: any reason jessie wont' suit your needs, seems like you have older hardawre anyways.
1855 [18:02:08] <mond> geforce 220 :D
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1862 [18:02:50] <mond> thanks about post install scripts hint
1863 [18:02:58] <somiaj> mond: yea that should get decent support with nouveau. But with an older card (And maybe other hardware) I'd suggest running jessie and then you won't have to deal with issue s that arise when the kernel or xorg is updated
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1867 [18:03:36] <somiaj> i.e. nvidia doesn't put to much support into their older hardware (though they sometimes do updated the drivers to work with newer kernels and xorg abi, but this is sometimes slow)
1868 [18:03:43] <mond> I'd better than choose nouveau or upgrade
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1870 [18:04:08] <mond> yea sure, why should they put effort in what they do not sell
1871 [18:04:15] <jak2013> samba question: why i get the error command not found, testparam see please: replaced-url
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1882 [18:07:35] <somiaj> mond: note - I'm not exactly sure what the bug/issue is in your case, I just gave you the general state of the legacy drivers.
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1884 [18:07:58] <somiaj> mond: it may be possible to get to work in stretch/sid, but my advise is run jessie or nouveau
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1887 [18:08:25] <mond> I do not want jessie, its way too old
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1889 [18:09:09] <mond> I also wanted to try Ubuntu 16 with wayland ^^
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1891 [18:09:34] <towo`> jak2013, the command is testparm, not testparam and is in samba-common-bin
1892 [18:09:48] <towo`> jak2013, you would strongly suggestg to learn the basics
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1895 [18:10:34] <naxin> The kernel isn't detected my monitor's resolutions properly, so I wrote a few xrandr commands to create a new Modeline with the proper resolution, add it, then set it. However, I'm not sure where to put this so it runs automatically when I `startx` My xrandr commands are here: replaced-url
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1897 [18:12:13] <mond> somiaj, yeah, changed post install script to "exit 0", purged nvidia and installed nouveau back, thx
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1906 [18:14:46] <somiaj> mond: jessie isn't that old, and with jessie-backports and evolution of software much slower than in the past, I find stable not as far behind as in old releases. Though the 'debian stable is too old for desktops' is still around.
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1913 [18:15:47] <somiaj> naxin: you can add them to the .xsession file before you start you desktop, you can add them to the startup scripts of yoru desktop. Or you can write a small xorg.conf file and include all the info in that file and not need to run an additional script (though you'll have to look up the xorg.conf syntax)
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1917 [18:16:03] <noqnio> hey! in my disk i have 3 primary partitions and an extended one with the swap. Can i add another partition under the extended partition for storage, along with the swap?
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1919 [18:16:36] <jhutchins> noqnio: Yes.
1920 [18:16:40] <somiaj> noqnio: yes, in the MBR partition scheme you can have 4 primary partitions, but a primary partition may be used for many (unsure the cap) extended partitions.
1921 [18:16:45] <anddam> how do I check if I'm on systemd?
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1923 [18:16:51] <anddam> I just installed a jessie
1924 [18:16:55] <somiaj> anddam: ls -l /sbin/init
1925 [18:16:56] <jelly> anddam: cat /proc/1/comm
1926 [18:16:58] <somiaj> anddam: you are on systemd.
1927 [18:17:15] <noqnio> thank you. can i resize the swap extended partition while the system is running?
1928 [18:17:18] <tpalmerstudios> How would I go about editing a debian install image. I tried changing to a IMG and mounting, but one of the files was write protected so it was read only.
1929 [18:17:18] <anddam> oh symlink
1930 [18:17:19] <anddam> thanks
1931 [18:17:22] <somiaj> i.e. I do not think it is possible to not be on systemd after using the installer.
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1933 [18:17:28] <anddam> I was checking ps 1
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1935 [18:17:42] <naxin> somiaj: You were helping me yesterday with this. I didn't get the xorg.conf.d/ file working (the xorg log was saying it was still being overriden by the Radeon driver). I also tried putting them in .xsession before I call startxfce4, but it still used the previous low resolution.
1936 [18:17:52] <somiaj> noqnio: you can, but it sometimes advised against. You'll probabaly want to unmount/turn the swap off during this. Though a live system might be better.
1937 [18:18:13] <anddam> next question, I have a python app I should start at boot, I used to have a init.d script from the skeleton provided
1938 [18:18:19] <anddam> is there an equivalent for systemd?
1939 [18:18:26] <naxin> I was trying to figure out where to put them in a bash startup script, but I didn't want it to run every time I opened a new terminal emulator on my desktop
1940 [18:18:31] <somiaj> noqnio: look up xfce startup commands and put it in a script for that.
1941 [18:18:34] <jelly> somiaj: you merely have to massage d-i just the right way replaced-url
1942 [18:18:35] <somiaj> naxin: ^^
1943 [18:18:38] <noqnio> thanks a lot!
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1946 [18:18:47] <jhutchins> somiaj: I've been unable to find an absolute limit to the number of partitions. MS has a limit of 24 due to drive letter limits.
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1951 [18:19:38] <olx69> Hi, I have installed UCS as VM in proxmox (static ip 192.168.1.11) and I want to use the DNS entries from usc server (static 192.168.1.12). Hence, I added on proxmox host /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 192.168.1.12. Before there wher the single entry of 192.192.1.1 - my router. I like to manage DNS for VM's by ucs server, not my router. But I'm not able to ping the ucs server from proxmox host. What do I miss here?
1952 [18:19:43] <somiaj> jelly: oh nice, and here I thought you had to install with systemd then remove it.
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1954 [18:20:13] <somiaj> anddam: I think it is setup this way to allow for multiple init systems.
1955 [18:20:32] <jim> anddam, I think systemd can start lsb services (where you also specify lsb tags, not the least of which is a list of services that need to be started before your service can start)
1956 [18:20:59] <somiaj> anddam: I find systemd far nicer to deal with init scripts than sysv init. Just look up systemd unit files. Write a unit file for your script, put it in /etc/systemd/system/ and then control it with systemctl
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1958 [18:21:14] <somiaj> and yes having a proper LSB script in /etc/init.d/ is enough too.
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1960 [18:22:38] <jim> one way, start with a script that could have worked in sysvinit, then add the lsb tags to it
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1962 [18:23:33] <anddam> ok, I wish I had a backup of that script
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1965 [18:23:57] <anddam> the point is that since I'm writing it from scratch i may as well do it as a unit file
1966 [18:24:13] <anddam> it's a python script, non detaching, whose log I may want to save but it's not mandatory
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1968 [18:24:27] <anddam> I'll check the web
1969 [18:24:30] <anddam> thanks
1970 [18:24:31] <somiaj> anddam: unit files are far easier to write than sysvinit scripts imo once you learn the syntax.
1971 [18:24:43] <jim> one thing to consider, is what might superceed systemd and units
1972 [18:24:43] <anddam> somiaj: yes, I was trying to cut a corner there :-)
1973 [18:24:45] <anddam> you got me
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1977 [18:25:52] <jim> me too, the only reason I bring it up is I get unsure about how long systemd will last with all the controversy surrounding it
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1981 [18:27:16] <computer-user> amazing OS, everything just works, astonishing
1982 [18:27:28] <somiaj> jim: it has a lot of backing (which is part of the controversy). I'd like to see systemd become a bit more modular with all the various pieces it is eating up so one can use only the parts that are needed. i.e. if one watns sysvinit but gnome, the gnome systemd shoudl be modular like systemd-shim for instance.
1983 [18:27:41] <anddam> jim: well it's not like init script are set in stone, the init system changes, scripts get rewritten
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1985 [18:28:33] <jim> more modular, that's what I was thinking too... this looks like a kitchen sink and all the stuff in the garbage disposal too
1986 [18:28:44] <somiaj> i.e. i'd like to see some balance, but as of right now, the hardest part for me was getting use to how systemctl worked, but I do find systemd a nice init system, though I'm not too intersted in the perifials
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1990 [18:29:52] <jim> it -feels- like systemd has a huge learning curve, as big as linux itself
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1992 [18:30:14] <wsky> so anyone uses thinkpads with Jessie here?
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1995 [18:32:03] <jim> wsky, did you have a specific (and informative) question about that?
1996 [18:32:19] <wsky> yes, i'll repeat myself then
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1998 [18:32:37] <wsky> i'm using a x220 but there is no /proc/acpi/ibm/thermal
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2000 [18:32:51] <wsky> all other thinkpad_acpi files are present
2001 [18:33:11] <wsky> but there is no thermal so i cannot use thinkfan to adjust my fan speeds
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2003 [18:33:27] <wsky> dmesg shows no errors
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2009 [18:34:49] <somiaj> wsky: I think you correctly found the issue with that kernel bug and patch you linked. You may have to follow the kernel to see the status of the patch, but have you tried it yourself to see if that is really the issue (I thought yous aid you had a custom 4.6 kernel)
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2012 [18:35:15] <jim> wsky, the way /proc usually works, is the kernel puts "simulated" files in there, and also specific kernel driver modules put othere stuff
2013 [18:35:18] <wsky> i didn't link nothing
2014 [18:35:29] <wsky> jim: yes, and?
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2016 [18:35:48] <wsky> i just hopped in from a x201 where it worked flawlessly
2017 [18:36:07] <jim> -and- you might have to find a driver that puts the stuff you're looking for in there.
2018 [18:36:18] <somiaj> wsky: oh sorry, I'm confusing you with someone else who was having issues with some of the thinkpad custom keys, I just glanced at your problem and didn't realize it was different.
2019 [18:36:24] <wsky> i know the driver name that puts stuff there
2020 [18:36:28] <wsky> iut's thinkpad_acpi
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2022 [18:36:52] <jim> lsmod | grep thinkpad_acpi
2023 [18:37:03] <wsky> yes, i know it's loaded
2024 [18:37:15] <jmcnaught> wsky: i have a thinkpad x220 and didn't need to do anything special for my fan in jessie, it's controlled automatically
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2027 [18:37:22] <wsky> as i said, it creates all the files *except* the 'thermal'
2028 [18:37:34] <wsky> jmcnaught: yeah but it overheats that way
2029 [18:37:39] <jim> ok, if the files you're looking for are not showing up, you need to determine why that is
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2031 [18:37:56] <wsky> jim: ... i came here to determine it
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2034 [18:38:10] <wsky> it looks like a module bug
2035 [18:38:22] <wsky> i might be a decent user but i'm no kernel dev
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2037 [18:38:38] <jim> what, you're thinking you have to look at the module source?
2038 [18:38:51] <wsky> jmcnaught: do you measure your temperatures and fan speeds on that thinkpad?
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2042 [18:39:09] <jmcnaught> wsky: i seldomly have problems with overheating, but when i was transcoding some vidoes i nstalled thermald and that took care of it. it monitors temperature scales the frequency down a bit if too hot
2043 [18:39:26] <jmcnaught> wsky: lm-sensors and a gnome extension calls freon
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2047 [18:39:55] <wsky> i'm gonna have a look at thermald
2048 [18:40:05] <wsky> i used thinkfan on the x201 before
2049 [18:40:29] <jmcnaught> wsky: basically the same as my x200, i never installed anything special (no thinkfan, thermald) and never once had it overheat
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2052 [18:41:12] <wsky> me neither at the beginning but then i started playing cs:s and it was shutting down due to overheating
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2056 [18:41:50] <aconite33> Question on using live-builds: Using the Kali (Debian based Rolling) ISO of doom: replaced-url
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2058 [18:42:03] <aconite33> Doesn't seem to be anything in the /etc/network/interfaces for eth0, but just ens32 instead
2059 [18:42:16] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell aconite33 about kali
2060 [18:42:19] <bryzNSTY> wsky: maybe you were too 🔥
2061 [18:42:40] <jmcnaught> aconite33: check the message from dpkg, kali isn't supported here but the message says where to go
2062 [18:42:52] <aconite33> Well, my questino ins't about kali per say
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2064 [18:42:56] <wsky> bryzNSTY: ?
2065 [18:43:06] <aconite33> more about how to add network configuratinso after the install for live-build
2066 [18:43:06] <bryzNSTY> it was a fire emoji
2067 [18:43:14] <aconite33> because that's what Kali uses to build the iso
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2069 [18:43:44] <aconite33> Trying to understand how to add a /etc/network/interface file into the install after it's complete.
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2071 [18:44:13] <jmcnaught> aconite33: derivatives are still not supported here
2072 [18:44:19] <wsky> bryzNSTY: sounds like osx
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2075 [18:44:54] <aconite33> Okay, so forgetting that it's Kali, when using live-build how to do you add a /etc/network/interface file that won't get overridden?
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2077 [18:45:41] <jmcnaught> !based on debian
2078 [18:45:41] <bryzNSTY> wsky: yeah, I thought it wold work in pidgin
2079 [18:45:41] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
2080 [18:45:49] <wsky> i use irssi
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2085 [18:47:03] <bryzNSTY> ah, I use XMPP a lot so i have to use pidgin
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2088 [18:47:18] <wsky> i'm just stressing the cpu and it goes up to 82°C
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2091 [18:47:24] <bryzNSTY> Even though i hate it
2092 [18:47:27] <wsky> this is not too bad
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2097 [18:47:43] <wsky> however i'm afraid that it will go much higher wen i'll run a gpu intense app
2098 [18:48:31] <wsky> jmcnaught: how do you configure thermald
2099 [18:48:35] <jmcnaught> wsky: i imagine when the CPU is that hot your fan is already going maximum speed
2100 [18:48:38] <wsky> i see it uses xml
2101 [18:48:42] <wsky> no it's not
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2103 [18:48:58] <wsky> it's @ 4400 RPM while the max is above 6000 RPM
2104 [18:49:04] <jmcnaught> wsky: i was happy with the defaults provided by the package, if you want it to do something different you'll need to read its man pages
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2107 [18:49:37] <naxin> I'm trying to make a ~/.ssh/config that sets a default user for all ssh connections, but then uses a different user for one server. replaced-url
2108 [18:49:41] <wsky> "If not this needs to be manually configured."
2109 [18:49:45] <wsky> yeah i can see that
2110 [18:49:55] <wsky> but it certainly does not adjust the fan speeds
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2118 [18:52:10] <jmcnaught> wsky: themald scales down the processor based on temperature, it doesn't increase fan speed
2119 [18:52:23] <wsky> hm
2120 [18:52:30] <wsky> that does not do much good
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2123 [18:52:45] <jmcnaught> wsky: except for the health and lifespan of the machine
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2128 [18:53:46] <Kirito> replaced-url
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2136 [18:58:50] <bryzNSTY> If anyone is familiar with arch, is there something like yaourt for debian? A front end for the package manager that lets you search before you install
2137 [18:58:54] <dryblow> Can I ask support for java-package here?
2138 [18:59:02] <wsky> bryzNSTY: synaptic
2139 [18:59:06] <KobraLocke> bryzNSTY: apt can search
2140 [18:59:12] <jmcnaught> bryzNSTY: aptitude has a TUI
2141 [18:59:13] <wsky> apt can search too
2142 [18:59:13] <KobraLocke> apt-get search <word>
2143 [18:59:29] <jmcnaught> KobraLocke: you mean apt-cache search
2144 [18:59:34] <KobraLocke> I did.
2145 [18:59:44] <KobraLocke> I'm still drinking my first coffee of the day.
2146 [18:59:50] <jmcnaught> aptitude's command line search is more powerful
2147 [18:59:51] <KobraLocke> {that's my excuse}
2148 [18:59:56] <bryzNSTY> hm, didnt work
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2150 [19:00:15] <bryzNSTY> oh, nvm
2151 [19:00:16] <KobraLocke> apt-cache search works just fine. You might want to run apt-get update before you search
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2154 [19:00:33] <bryzNSTY> I searched for "screencloud" and nothing came up
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2156 [19:00:57] <bryzNSTY> but when i tried screen i got gorillions of hits
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2158 [19:01:18] <bryzNSTY> it doesnt seem as nice as yaourt though, ill give synaptic a shot
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2160 [19:01:24] <KobraLocke> That tells you something important: there is no screencloud in your repo
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2164 [19:01:58] <KobraLocke> What is screencloud?>
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2167 [19:02:10] <bryzNSTY> Screenshot app
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2169 [19:02:22] <bryzNSTY> automatically uploads to imgur
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2172 [19:02:36] <KobraLocke> replaced-url
2173 [19:02:51] <KobraLocke> replaced-url
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2175 [19:03:16] <KobraLocke> ^ instructions on how to add the repo so that it can be installed and updated via apt
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2177 [19:03:44] <jmcnaught> careful with adding third party repos, they can cause problems with upgrades if they're not maintained very well
2178 [19:03:59] <bryzNSTY> I've been using arch before debian :)
2179 [19:04:09] <KobraLocke> That means nothing.
2180 [19:04:11] <jmcnaught> bryzNSTY: there are probably alternatives to screencloud in Debian if it's not included in the distro
2181 [19:04:31] <awwal> Any fast/easy stuff I can do for emulate right mouse button with keyboard?
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2183 [19:04:46] <mapm> Hello, running a Debian 8 in a Lenovo Carbon X11, when closing the lid the system suspends, and I do not want it to do so. I already tried changing the line "HandleLidSwitch=ignore" in the file "/etc/systemd/logind.conf", but it stays the same after rebooting. What could I do?
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2185 [19:05:19] <bryzNSTY> KobraLocke: I just mean that im familiar with stuff breaking
2186 [19:05:33] <KobraLocke> bryzNSTY: There's an imgur app for that. replaced-url
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2188 [19:05:50] <awwal> mapm, you may have to change the related config in your DE system settings too
2189 [19:05:58] <KobraLocke> bryzNSTY: You are fam,ilar with Arch breaking. Not Debian. A world of difference between these two things.
2190 [19:06:21] <KobraLocke> replaced-url
2191 [19:06:22] <bryzNSTY> True, but I do know the risks of non official repos
2192 [19:06:22] <teraflops> lolwat
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2195 [19:06:59] <bryzNSTY> KobraLocke: thanks! this might even be better
2196 [19:07:13] <teraflops> KobraLocke: Im curious do you use arch or just heard about arch breaking?
2197 [19:07:18] <awwal> mapm, which DE you run?
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2200 [19:07:38] <KobraLocke> teraflops: I have used Arch since about 2010.
2201 [19:07:52] <mapm> awwal, I run dwm in a lxde
2202 [19:07:53] <KobraLocke> What's the relevancy of your question? Why does it matter?
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2205 [19:08:30] <KobraLocke> teraflops: Why are you polling me about which distros I use?
2206 [19:08:34] <teraflops> KobraLocke: tht question was for me?
2207 [19:08:36] <teraflops> ah
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2210 [19:09:00] <teraflops> 59 KobraLocke ⎸ bryzNSTY: You are fam,ilar with Arch breaking. Not Debian.
2211 [19:09:12] <jmcnaught> bryzNSTY: there's a tool called shutter which is in Debian. The happiest Debian users use what's already in the repos and go outside of them as a last resort
2212 [19:09:13] <KobraLocke> I said that, but what was the reason for your question?
2213 [19:09:33] <KobraLocke> teraflops: Were you just trying to start an argument by calling out my assumed ignorance?
2214 [19:09:39] <teraflops> KobraLocke: i havent notices any breackage in five years and I do testing, perhaps arch was not for you
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2216 [19:09:49] <teraflops> KobraLocke: yeah
2217 [19:09:52] <bryzNSTY> jmcnaught: unfortunately, it doesn't upload to imgur
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2219 [19:10:04] <bryzNSTY> although, i might try to fix that
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2221 [19:10:13] <jmcnaught> bryzNSTY: it says it does in the package description, but i don't use it
2222 [19:10:15] <KobraLocke> You havent used Arch then, because Arch has literally been broken ON PURPOSE within the last five years several times, requiring manual intervention. Stop lying and spreading FUD.
2223 [19:10:38] <awwal> mapm, dwm is a window manager, apart that systemd file I dont see any other stuff you can do under dwm or any other WM. I suggest you the use of "xfce4-power-manager" pkg for handle energy stuff. Thats what I use here under my openbox/fluxbox/awesome and all fine
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2225 [19:11:12] <bryzNSTY> jmcnaught: then maybe it does now, I was looking throuhg an older lifehacker article
2226 [19:11:22] <teraflops> KobraLocke: well 2 things 1st youre definitely wrong. 2nd just pointing the fact since you said something false. for further discussion I suggest offtopic
2227 [19:11:27] <jmcnaught> bryzNSTY: "apt-cache show shutter"
2228 [19:11:39] <mapm> awwal, thanks, I will try this. I know dwm is a window manager, the DE is lxde, I run dwm with lxde
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2231 [19:12:01] <bryzNSTY> jmcnaught: oooh, now that's cool
2232 [19:12:25] <awwal> mapm, task lxde desktop or just lxde?
2233 [19:12:29] <jmcnaught> mapm: how do you start X and LXDE? does "loginctl" list your login session?
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2235 [19:12:42] <KobraLocke> teraflops: You are a liar. Here is one piece of evidence against your argument: replaced-url
2236 [19:12:52] <teraflops> lol
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2238 [19:13:07] <jmcnaught> i propose we move the arch discussion to #debian-offtopic
2239 [19:13:14] <mapm> jmcnaught, I start X with "$ startx dwm"
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2241 [19:13:25] <awwal> task-lxde-desktop includes gnome power manager I think
2242 [19:13:30] <teraflops> KobraLocke: debian is thinking of doing the same ... is debian broken too?
2243 [19:13:36] <mapm> jmcnaught, yes, it lists SESSION UID USER SEAT
2244 [19:13:36] <mapm> 1 1000 a seat0
2245 [19:13:36] <mapm> 1 sessions listed.
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2247 [19:14:00] <bryzNSTY> Sorry I even brought arch up, I just wanted to say I understood the risks of unsupported packages lol
2248 [19:14:05] <KobraLocke> teraflops: If Debian pushes an update that literally breaks the system and requires manual intervention to rescue the system, then yes.
2249 [19:14:10] <teraflops> as I said i can flame wih you but not here
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2255 [19:14:40] <KobraLocke> I'd rather not waste my time with irrational cultists and misinformed liars. Thanks anyways.
2256 [19:14:47] <teraflops> oh
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2259 [19:15:40] <jmcnaught> mapm: "loginctl show-session" what does HandleLidSwitch say? (use replaced-url
2260 [19:15:45] <teraflops> KobraLocke: im sorry yarch is not for you just stop talking bullshit
2261 [19:15:45] <jak2013> any samba help, i can connect to resource, but not write on it, added a user named: usrreny, and here my details: replaced-url
2262 [19:15:49] <mapm> awwal, what do you mean with "lxde desktop or just lxde?" if you ask if I use lxde default desktop environment, no. I guess it runs in the background
2263 [19:16:09] <KobraLocke> teraflops: I already proved you're a liar. Move along.
2264 [19:16:27] <mapm> jmcnaught, it shows "HandleLidSwitch=suspend"
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2266 [19:16:58] <jmcnaught> mapm: aha, so you're sure the HandleLidSwitch=suspend got set to ignore in logind.conf?
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2268 [19:17:09] <awwal> mapm, xfce4-power-manager is autostarted by 'openb0x-session', not openbox, and by 'fbautostart' (fluxbox). you will have to check how to make that xfce pkg running correctly with your dwm if you decide to install it
2269 [19:17:12] <mapm> jmcnaught, I do not know why it shows that, I updated "/etc/systemd/logind.conf"
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2272 [19:17:31] <richardParker> +3205
2273 [19:17:41] <mapm> jmcnaught, 20 HandleLidSwitch=ignore #suspend
2274 [19:17:55] <mapm> jmcnaught, yes, that is the line using vim
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2277 [19:18:56] <mapm> awwal, alright, thanks. I will note this as an alternative if I run out of more "standard" options
2278 [19:18:59] <Kirito> Re: replaced-url
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2281 [19:19:05] <awwal> mapm, aptitude show will tell you what debian tasks desktop are
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2285 [19:20:15] <jmcnaught> mapm: try removing the comment and whitespace at the end of the line?
2286 [19:20:41] <mapm> awwal, good, but what then?
2287 [19:21:00] <mapm> jmcnaught, let me try, but I think I already tried
2288 [19:21:08] <Kirito> Well I can't even boot into recovery mode at this point so I'm thinking I'll just re-install if that's the case
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2290 [19:21:38] <awwal> mapm, nothing, just wondering if task lxde includes gnome power manager...
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2292 [19:22:04] <awwal> nvm
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2294 [19:22:21] <Trinitruluol> I'm trying to compile a 4.5.2 kernel to use apparmor, but I get this error: No rule to make target 'debian/certs/benh@debian.org.cert.pem', needed by 'certs/x509_certificate_list'. Can anyone help me resolve this?
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2296 [19:22:46] <mapm> awwal, ah, ok
2297 [19:22:52] <jak2013> jmcnaught any advice?
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2302 [19:23:43] <srg> Am I missing some library or something? This is my "save file" dialog in firefox on debian testing with xfce4: replaced-url
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2304 [19:24:17] <mapm> awwal, it only "suggests" xfce4-power-manager"
2305 [19:24:35] <jmcnaught> mapm: you could check the journal for logind see if it yields clues. "systemctl -u systemd.logind"
2306 [19:24:40] <awwal> mapm, ok
2307 [19:24:45] <dirgeable> hi. I am trying to re-write pages with no extension as .php. However, when I turn on RewriteEngine on apache fails to start with Process: 23598 ExecStart=/etc/init.d/apache2 start (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
2308 [19:24:54] <mapm> awwal, later I will try getting that package
2309 [19:24:59] <jmcnaught> jak2013: sorry i don't know samba very well, not sure why you're highlighting me
2310 [19:25:27] <bzrk> dirgeable: check the apache error log
2311 [19:25:28] <mapm> jmcnaught, systemctl: invalid option -- 'u'
2312 [19:25:53] <jmcnaught> mapm: errr sorry i meant journalctl not systemctl
2313 [19:26:17] <mapm> jmcnaught, "No journal files were found."
2314 [19:26:28] <mapm> jmcnaught, ah you mean when i try the lid thing
2315 [19:26:33] <jmcnaught> mapm: as root or a user in the adm group
2316 [19:26:35] <dirgeable> bzrk, where is that?
2317 [19:26:48] <mapm> jmcnaught, ok
2318 [19:27:06] <mapm> jmcnaught, it says: -- Logs begin at Thu 2016-04-28 18:59:46 CEST, end at Thu 2016-04-28 19:26:51 CEST. --
2319 [19:27:19] <bzrk> dirgeable: /var/log/apache
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2322 [19:27:32] <jmcnaught> dirgeable: /var/log/apache/error.log or run "systemctl status apache2" will show its recent log entries
2323 [19:28:04] <dirgeable> bzrk, ohhh thanks. also i think my problem is i was doing it in virtual host block not directory block. what file would have the directory block
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2328 [19:28:47] <bzrk> dirgeable: it is part of the virtual host block, i think, you should read up on the apache docs or we will be busy here for a while
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2331 [19:29:17] <wsky> jmcnaught: it seems that x220 does not overheat during playing cs:s, even without thinkfan running
2332 [19:29:18] <GYARU> when stretch becomes stable what should I do about my jessie-backports repo and debian mozilla repo
2333 [19:29:18] <jmcnaught> mapm: it's strange, i disable suspend with lid the same way you're trying. i don't know why the setting in logind.conf isn't being taken up. when i run "loginctl show-session" it shows HandleLidSwitch=ignore
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2336 [19:30:12] <mapm> jmcnaught, but where does "loginctl show-session" get that info from?
2337 [19:30:33] <awwal> mapm, have you looked at replaced-url
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2339 [19:30:48] <jmcnaught> dirgeable: a directory can be defined within a virtualhost.
2340 [19:30:54] <mapm> awwal, not really, let me look at it
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2345 [19:32:39] <jmcnaught> mapm: loginctl is showing what logind is running with, the change in logind.conf should work. maybe there's bad syntax or characters in it.. or maybe something i'm not aware of is overriding the value for your session (on gnome in jessie here)
2346 [19:33:15] <jmcnaught> GYARU: are you on jessie now? when you upgrade to stretch you would change those lines too, or temporarily disable them for the upgrade
2347 [19:33:37] <awwal> mapm, commenting line HandleLidSwitch=suspend HandleLidSwitchDocked=suspend then systemctl restart systemd-logind.service should do the trick
2348 [19:33:47] <awwal> lines ^
2349 [19:33:49] <mapm> awwal, jmcnaught, I ran "sudo systemctl restart systemd-logind.service", and now "loginctl show-session" shows the line "HandleLidSwitch=ignore"
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2352 [19:34:11] <jmcnaught> mapm: ahh.. see i didn't recommend doing that because i thought you said you had rebooted
2353 [19:34:27] <mapm> jmcnaught, yes I did reboot
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2356 [19:35:41] <mapm> jmcnaught, awwal, if I remember correctly I did even make "sudo systemctl restart systemd-logind.service" before... well, I will try closing the lid now! thank you guys!
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2358 [19:36:05] <mapm> jmcnaught, awwal, it worked (;
2359 [19:36:15] <awwal> I dont really know what this "HandleLidSwitchDocked" refers xD
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2364 [19:36:38] <mapm> awwal, I think it means when you have a laptop attached to a docking station
2365 [19:36:40] <jmcnaught> awwal: that exists in newer versions of systemd than what's on 215
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2367 [19:37:01] <jmcnaught> errr.. jessie has 215
2368 [19:37:08] <awwal> xD
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2374 [19:38:49] <awwal> mapm, good for you :P
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2378 [19:39:58] <mapm> thank you, see you later
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2383 [19:41:30] <dirgeable> bzrk, jmcnaught ahh i had to aen2mod enable it
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2408 [19:46:36] <mfe> hi
2409 [19:46:50] <mfe> i wanted to execute a programm/ service with a own user
2410 [19:46:55] <mfe> I named the user gog
2411 [19:47:12] <mfe> then I did chown gog:gog /opt/gogs/
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2413 [19:47:31] <mfe> but when i change with su - gog I cannot list the dictionary of /opt/gogs
2414 [19:47:33] <mfe> why?
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2418 [19:49:39] <mfe> !paste
2419 [19:49:39] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
2420 [19:50:09] <mfe> !pastebinit
2421 [19:50:09] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
2422 [19:50:34] <jmcnaught> mfe: you can msg the bot, the topic has examples
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2425 [19:52:07] <mfe> replaced-url
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2429 [19:53:02] <awwal> mfe, /msg dpkg foo
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2431 [19:53:08] <Kirito> Does/has anyone here by chance ever used the F2FS filesystem on a web/database server (with a SATA based SSD, not PCIDoes F2FS offer much of a benefit for SATA based SSD's (over ext4 or even xfs)? I've read mixed things regarding F2FS' actual intended use case. My impression has largely been that F2FS is mostly intended for things like USB's and SD cards (and maybe PCI based SSD's), but I'm not sure if that's entirely accurate
2432 [19:53:15] <mfe> ok i got it awwal
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2437 [19:54:15] <jmcnaught> mfe: the permissions on /opt/gog are 666 when you probably want them 750. See the missing x's? The owner doesn't have permission to enter the directory
2438 [19:55:02] <mfe> thanks jmcnaught
2439 [19:55:03] <jmcnaught> mfe: you probably also don't want all the other files to be world readable.
2440 [19:55:28] <jmcnaught> writable even
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2456 [20:01:44] <awwal> ok: Shift+F10 emulates right mouse click :)
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2467 [20:08:13] <teraflops> KobraLocke: Oh wait I didn't read the last message. I cannot get offended by an ignorant calling me liar.
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2506 [20:26:17] <maziar> i want to compile a program and its said :"This code is known to work with GCC 4.4+ and clang 3.2+. It should also work on other compilers that supports C99, POSIX 2011.11, and the -fms-extensions flag (or equivalent). The latter is needed to allow an anonymous union in a structure." what should i do ?
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2512 [20:27:55] <RoyK> maziar: which gcc version do you have?
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2514 [20:28:20] <maziar> RoyK gcc 4:4.9.2-2
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2516 [20:28:37] <RoyK> should work, then
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2519 [20:29:42] <maziar> RoyK , but when i use :"./configure" it said : bash: ./configre: No such file or directory
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2521 [20:30:21] <RoyK> maziar: is there a "bootstrap.sh" there?
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2525 [20:30:59] <maziar> RoyK yes it have
2526 [20:31:10] <RoyK> run it
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2531 [20:33:04] <maziar> RoyK it make configure :-O
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2535 [20:34:44] <HerculeP> bash: ./configre: No such file or directo "u" missing !?
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2552 [20:40:25] <RoyK> HerculeP: the bootstrap helped out ;)
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2558 [20:43:24] <olx69> I have problems with /etc/resolv.conf and 2 name server entries. I've not install resolvconf or other. The first entry is my router 192.168.1.1, the 2nd a samba/dns server at 192.168.1.12. The entries are gathered for names registered at the router, the 2nd ist ignored, even if the entry is registered there. If I comment out the router dns server entry it works for the registered names on smab/dns. Both doen't work. What do i miss here?
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2560 [20:44:27] <olx69> pointing with dig to the dns server works in both case: dig @server name
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2564 [20:44:39] <olx69> ping doesn't as described above
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2570 [20:48:08] <stew> olx69: this is all working as designed, when you have multiple dns server entries, the second is only used if it fails to get a response from the first. in your case, it is successfully getting a negative response from the first so there is no reason to try the second
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2574 [20:50:47] <srruby> AWS: What machine image do you suggest ? I'm used to Debian 8. I'm experimenting with AWS on the free tier.
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2576 [20:51:17] <maziar> RoyK are you still here
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2580 [20:52:08] <jarlopez> Hi all. I'm in the process of installing Debian stretch, and it informs me of missing firmware (brcm/brcmfmac43602-pcie.bin). I've downloaded this onto a FAT32 formatted USB stick under /brcm/brcmfmac43602.bin and inserted it into the target machine, yet the installer isn't picking up on it. Any tips?
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2587 [20:55:30] <srruby> jarlopez: Use the installer that includes non-free ???!!
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2589 [20:56:26] <jarlopez> srruby: Nice punctuation. I'll give that a shot after I've exhausted this avenue
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2593 [20:58:01] <jmcnaught> jarlopez: put the firmware in the root or /firmware on the stick. See replaced-url
2594 [20:58:24] <RoyK> maziar: somehow
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2596 [20:59:08] <jarlopez> jmcnaught: Thanks. Those instructions line up with the steps I performed
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2601 [20:59:40] <jarlopez> jmcnaught: Do you know why that's the recommended approach? Your last statement is a bit cyclical
2602 [20:59:40] <jmcnaught> jarlopez: you said you put the file in /brcm
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2604 [20:59:51] <jmcnaught> !testing installer
2605 [20:59:51] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. replaced-url
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2608 [21:00:44] <jarlopez> jmcnaught: Much appreciated
2609 [21:00:46] <jmcnaught> jarlopez: because the testing installer is more likely to have bugs
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2613 [21:01:58] <jmcnaught> jarlopez: if you install a stable system you're upgrading a debian system with a standard environment, easier to troubleshoot than using the busybox environment on the installer. Also not that testing/unstable have their own channel #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
2614 [21:02:53] <jarlopez> That makes sense. I'll keep that in mind for further questions. Thanks!
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2617 [21:03:37] <aga> lolokwas you are the idiot that I know from somewhere?
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2621 [21:04:50] <lolokwas> how to install Debian ?
2622 [21:05:10] <lolokwas> on calculator ?
2623 [21:05:18] <maziar> on debian jessie , i use this url to install to install libmaxminddb, : replaced-url
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2625 [21:05:46] <aga> replaced-url
2626 [21:05:51] <lolokwas> or how to plug microwaves to internet ?
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2628 [21:06:29] <aga> You shouldn't ask such a stupid questions if you want to learn sth.
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2631 [21:07:03] <aga> Hello Lewix!
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2637 [21:07:44] <aga> How can I help you?
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2639 [21:07:50] <aga> Questions ?
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2643 [21:08:20] <maziar> aga why my :"ldconfig" is empty
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2647 [21:09:23] <Mathisen> hello what im getting a error when trying to install something here " error: Curl-config was not found " what package contains curl-config ?
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2650 [21:09:56] <aga> there is a subject about something similar on arch forum: replaced-url
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2652 [21:10:29] <ompaul> why not run /sbin/ldconfig -v and rebuild the cache and not worry
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2658 [21:10:49] <Paddy> !fglrx
2659 [21:10:50] <dpkg> fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units. To install fglrx, see replaced-url
2660 [21:10:53] <aga> aptitude provide curl-config should do the trick
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2663 [21:12:14] <aga> sorry mistaking with yum or dnf provides
2664 [21:12:36] <Paddy> what is suggested then for jessie and people who need fxlrx?
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2667 [21:13:19] <Paddy> sorry, for fglrx i mean
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2674 [21:14:44] <ompaul> it says for gnome use radeon driver - I guess you have choices
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2677 [21:15:13] * ompaul goes back to pushing that rock up the hill only for it to roll back down again overnight and tomorrow I'll push it again and so on
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2679 [21:15:57] <HerculeP> hi sysiphos ;)
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2687 [21:17:22] <aga> The program 'curl-config' can be found in the following packages:
2688 [21:17:23] <aga> * libcurl4-gnutls-dev
2689 [21:17:23] <aga> * libcurl4-nss-dev
2690 [21:17:23] <aga> * libcurl4-openssl-dev
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2702 [21:19:13] <Mathisen> aga, thx
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2713 [21:21:17] <awwal> ,v flashplugin-nonfree
2714 [21:21:18] <judd> Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1; sid/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1; stretch/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1
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2738 [21:29:43] <Mathisen> question: how do i make a program i got from git to be used system wide ?? as not need to be in the directory ... it is program.pl i need to use otherwise
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2749 [21:33:13] <Mathisen> example i want to be able to type just " program " where ever i am on the system and not " ./program.pl " in the directory it is downloaded
2750 [21:33:14] <TomTomTo1> Mathisen put it in /usr/local/bin/ ?
2751 [21:33:15] <peterrooney> Mathisen: /usr/local/bin is traditional solution
2752 [21:33:28] <xet7> Mathisen: First see where perl is, with command "which perl" . Then insert it to start of that script, like this: "#!/usr/bin/perl". Then move it to global dir: "sudo mv program.pl /usr/local/bin/program" . Then set it executeable: "sudo chmod +x /usr/local/bin/program" .
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2756 [21:34:03] <Mathisen> hmm but it got .conf files and folders..
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2758 [21:34:12] <Mathisen> dont i need to move everything then ?
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2762 [21:34:43] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: did it come with install instructions?
2763 [21:34:49] <Mathisen> no :(
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2767 [21:34:59] <Mathisen> no need for install only git clone and the run
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2771 [21:35:31] <Mathisen> then*
2772 [21:35:34] <xet7> Mathisen: your script can also be in bash, like first lines "!/usr/bin/bash" and second line "cd /perl/program/directory && perl program.pl"
2773 [21:35:37] <cmtptr> I'm tring to install wine on amd64. the wiki recommends also installing wine32, but when I tried this it says libwine:i386 won't be installed because I have held broken packages
2774 [21:35:50] <xet7> Mathisen: I mean "#!/bin/bash"
2775 [21:36:18] <xet7> cmtpr: It should be enough to install "apt-get install wine"
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2777 [21:36:29] <cmtptr> xet7, but that doesn't pick up wine32
2778 [21:36:29] <TomTomTosch> Mathisen: you could also create a softlink from /usr/local/bin/something to the script.
2779 [21:36:46] <xet7> cmptr: sudo apt-get install wine:i386
2780 [21:36:47] <jhutchins> Mathisen: echo $PATH - that will show you directories it can run from. You might want to just symlink it into the path, or just put it in /usr/local/bin
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2782 [21:37:01] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: if the problem can't handle being split up into different directories like the FHS you could put it in /opt/programname
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2784 [21:37:52] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: or find an alternative that's already in Debian, or at least has install instructions
2785 [21:38:11] <cmtptr> xet7, I don't think that's right. it conflicts with the amd64 wine
2786 [21:38:20] <Mathisen> it was in earlier debian but not in 7.. nikto is the one im talking about
2787 [21:39:03] <TomTomTosch> ,v nikto
2788 [21:39:04] <judd> Package: nikto on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:2.1.1-1; wheezy/non-free: 1:2.1.4-2; sid/non-free: 1:2.1.5-1; stretch/non-free: 1:2.1.5-1; jessie/non-free: 1:2.1.5-1
2789 [21:39:14] <xet7> cmtptr: sudo apt-get --purge remove wine:amd64 && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get install wine:i386
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2791 [21:39:22] <Mathisen> ahh non-free
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2793 [21:39:25] <cmtptr> xet7, that's not what I want
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2795 [21:40:07] <cmtptr> xet7, replaced-url
2796 [21:40:24] <cmtptr> "On a 64-bit architecture make sure that both wine32 and wine64 (or their -development equivalent) get installed (although not strictly required, this is what most people want). "
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2799 [21:41:01] <Mathisen> yeah my bad.. thc TomTomTosch added non-free and its there
2800 [21:41:15] <xet7> cmtprt: Ok, then sudo apt-get --purge remove wine:amd64 wine:i386 && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get install wine32 wine64
2801 [21:41:23] * Mathisen is still new to this
2802 [21:41:48] <cmtptr> can somebody who knows what they're talking about please respond instead?
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2804 [21:42:22] <jmcnaught> cmtptr: can you make a paste with a transcript of what you're trying to do?
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2807 [21:43:04] <cmtptr> jmcnaught, I'm following this: replaced-url
2808 [21:43:08] <TomTomTosch> Mathisen: yey. you can always ask the bot here with '/msg judd version <pkg>' or search on packages.debian.org.
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2811 [21:43:24] <jmcnaught> cmtptr: you're getting errors, so show us the errors along with the commands that cause them
2812 [21:43:38] <cmtptr> will do
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2815 [21:44:00] <Mathisen> TomTomTosch, i will keep that in mind.
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2817 [21:45:15] <pumpernickel> Is there any intention to package openjdk-7 in sid, does anyone know?
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2819 [21:45:38] <pumpernickel> I only see a headless jre, and regular openjdk-7 on arm64.
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2821 [21:45:54] <pumpernickel> but will it be packaged on amd64 for sid as well?
2822 [21:46:06] <cmtptr> jmcnaught, replaced-url
2823 [21:46:40] <jmcnaught> pumpernickel: it used to be in unstable, now it's been replaced with openjdk-8. openjdk-7 is still available on jessie
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2827 [21:49:10] <jmcnaught> cmtptr: what does "apt-cache policy wine32:i386 libwine:i386 wine" say? check the <bat> factoid from dpkg for the type of info useful for troubleshooting apt
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2831 [21:50:14] <cmtptr> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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2836 [21:52:47] <jmcnaught> cmtptr: do you have recommends disabled?
2837 [21:52:58] <cmtptr> I don't know what that means
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2839 [21:53:19] <cmtptr> is it disabled by default? if so, then yes
2840 [21:53:34] <jmcnaught> No, not disabled by default
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2842 [21:53:46] <markybob> replaced-url
2843 [21:54:02] <cmtptr> markybob, it also says at the bottom to make sure that wine32 is also installed
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2847 [21:54:51] <markybob> cmtptr: no it doesn't. there's one mention and that's libwine:i386
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2850 [21:55:27] <cmtptr> markybob, from the wiki: "Some are optional and might not be installed automatically. On a 64-bit architecture make sure that both wine32 and wine64 (or their -development equivalent) get installed (although not strictly required, this is what most people want)."
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2852 [21:56:47] <pumpernickel> jmcnaught: I see it on Jessie, but it fails to install when running from sid. I presume this is because of the large incompatible changes done in unstable.
2853 [21:56:56] <markybob> cmtptr: that's called wine32
2854 [21:57:01] <markybob> cmtptr: not wine:i386
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2856 [21:57:14] <cmtptr> markybob, I don't know what you're driving at
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2858 [21:57:21] <cmtptr> replaced-url
2859 [21:57:28] <markybob> cmtptr: install wine32. not wine:i386
2860 [21:57:37] <cmtptr> please, for the love of god, click the link
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2866 [22:00:22] <ompaul> cmtptr: please use paste.debian.net thanks
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2869 [22:01:00] <cmtptr> is it somehow superior to sprunge.us?
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2871 [22:01:11] <ani> hi
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2877 [22:01:53] <jmcnaught> i think sprunge.us is fine because it doesn't show ads or require javascript, but the debian paste site has line numbers which is handy
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2879 [22:02:05] <cmtptr> fair enough
2880 [22:02:14] <ani> after playing with curl and proxy settings, now filtered output req to 80 port
2881 [22:02:24] <ani> iptables clean
2882 [22:02:28] <ani> route defaults
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2888 [22:03:19] <ani> request to 80 accept by server but drop, wget and curl send random data, what do)
2889 [22:03:23] <jmcnaught> cmtptr: for me this is what "apt-get install wine" wants to install: replaced-url
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2891 [22:03:42] <ani> http_proxy=''
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2896 [22:04:54] <ani> only 80 port any others work well
2897 [22:05:09] <ani> if http server on 81 all work but 80 fail
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2905 [22:08:37] <cmtptr> jmcnaught, what's the deal with xml-core:i386? I have an xml-core:all already insalled
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2908 [22:09:51] <glassresistor> I'm running jessie on a dell xps 13 and for some reasons the hotkeys are not working, they worked fine on stretch and looking at the debian on page it says it just should work replaced-url
2909 [22:10:23] <jmcnaught> cmtptr: i don't know, i don't use wine, i was just pointing out that my system seems to want to install a lot more dependencies than yours
2910 [22:10:23] <glassresistor> any ideas? what packages handle function keys and is there a related config?
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2912 [22:10:54] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: which desktop environment are you using?
2913 [22:11:08] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: gnome
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2915 [22:11:59] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: have you checked the keyboard shortcut settings?
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2923 [22:13:48] <thither> Hey, I'm trying to dual boot with Windows 10. During the install I GRUB recommended I install it in a non-UEFI installation. Windows 10 was not automatically added to my grub menu though
2924 [22:13:49] <jmcnaught> ani: you cannot access port 80 on just your server, or your PC cannot access port 80 on any server?
2925 [22:13:54] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: oh nvm mind fn lock was how
2926 [22:14:08] <thither> Is it likely that I screwed up the MBR selection? Can I easily add Win10 now?
2927 [22:14:18] <ani> jmcnaught: ыукмук рфы фсууы щт 80 зщке иге ыутв щтдн ыукмшсу есз вфеф
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2930 [22:14:44] <ani> jmcnaught: server has acess on 80 port but send only service tcp data
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2934 [22:15:05] <ani> without and real data, for exsample http headers or handshakes
2935 [22:15:08] <ani> or any other
2936 [22:15:30] <thither> update-grub does seem to find something - "Found Windows Recovery Environment (loader) on /dev/sda1", but I'm not totally sure where to point grub-install to
2937 [22:15:32] <ani> on sniffer on router and tcp dump packets in\out but only garbage
2938 [22:15:34] <jmcnaught> ani: sorry i'm having trouble following you.
2939 [22:16:13] <ani> jmcnaught: my english not well(
2940 [22:16:25] <jmcnaught> thither: not a windows expert at all, but as far as i know windows 10 requires UEFI. why didn't you install debian with UEFI?
2941 [22:16:37] <thither> Because the installer prompted me not to
2942 [22:16:59] <ani> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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2944 [22:17:11] <jmcnaught> thither: which ISO image did you use? live disks have no UEFI support.
2945 [22:17:12] <ani> its http request from curl
2946 [22:17:24] <ani> where data(
2947 [22:17:36] <thither> Yeah it was a live disk
2948 [22:17:45] <thither> The 240MB one, right?
2949 [22:17:46] <jmcnaught> ani: you'll get more help if you make a paste on replaced-url
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2955 [22:18:24] <ani> jmcnaught: im whant ot http request work well
2956 [22:18:39] <ani> is that simple
2957 [22:18:50] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell ani about localized errors
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2959 [22:19:40] <jmcnaught> ani: maybe someone else will understand you, but i asked some yes/no questions that you didn't answer. try making a paste demonstrating what you're trying to accomplish
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2965 [22:20:32] <jmcnaught> thither: the installer will only install grub-efi and configure UEFI booting if it itself boots in UEFI mode
2966 [22:21:00] <thither> I'd booted the installation media in UEFI mode (it was on a flash drive too if that matters)
2967 [22:21:01] <ani> you cannot access port 80 on just your server, or your PC cannot access port 80 on any server? > i can but http servers send refuse on any req
2968 [22:22:06] <ani> any http server. if https work well, forward chain on 80 is work, but output to 80 became garbage according to sniffer
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2971 [22:23:16] <ani> any tool curl apt wget
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2975 [22:23:41] <thither> Well, assuming GRUB has found Windows correctly - which partition should I install GRUB to?
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2978 [22:24:17] <thither> I tried my main Debian partition but was told GRUB would need to use "blocklists" which it doesn't like
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2983 [22:28:08] <thither> Nevermind didn't realize it's by device not partition
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2985 [22:28:35] <jmcnaught> ani: can you check the logs of the web server to see what's happening?
2986 [22:28:59] <DammitJim> guys, I have a server with something like a 1.8TB hard drive
2987 [22:29:10] <DammitJim> I had configured it with LVM to use the whole space
2988 [22:29:27] <DammitJim> Just now I was able to reduce the LVM because I want to put this server in a VM
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2991 [22:29:30] <ani> jmcnaught: replaced-url
2992 [22:29:41] <DammitJim> what else do I need to do to reduce the hard disk use?
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2994 [22:29:54] <DammitJim> I'm planning on using Clonezilla to do a backup and then restore it to a VM
2995 [22:30:13] <ani> jmcnaught: length 0 on any request from client, as i say only protocol data
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2999 [22:32:04] <jmcnaught> ani: so you cannot access port 80 on your server, but on others it works. am i correct?
3000 [22:32:39] <ani> jmcnaught: 80 on any server
3001 [22:32:51] <ani> local, internet
3002 [22:33:21] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: virt-p2v from libguestfs-tools might be useful for that
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3006 [22:34:31] <jmcnaught> ani: and you said you have no iptables rules?
3007 [22:34:37] <ani> jmcnaught: web server log clean onle requests without error
3008 [22:34:43] <ani> clean
3009 [22:34:50] <ani> ip route only default
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3011 [22:35:29] <DammitJim> jmcnaught, for a smaller drive?
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3013 [22:35:36] <jmcnaught> ani: do any other computer on your local network have the same problem?
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3016 [22:35:38] <ani> ip rule defaults
3017 [22:35:42] <cmtptr> to anyone still interested: if I try apt-get -s install -t jessie-backports wine, it looks like it does pick up with wine64 and wine32. ugh, I really only wanted a backported kernel because I need it for the laptop to work
3018 [22:35:42] <ani> nope
3019 [22:35:45] <ani> jmcnaught: nope
3020 [22:35:55] <ani> i trace it to my linux server
3021 [22:36:27] <ani> i thins it on router firewall but i disable all forward rules and nothing
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3025 [22:37:21] <ani> jmcnaught: it happening after i use curl wit -x key to setup proxy
3026 [22:37:22] <DammitJim> jmcnaught, is that tool command line?
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3029 [22:37:49] <ani> but export http_proxy empty
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3031 [22:38:02] <ani> where store proxy settings?
3032 [22:38:25] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: well that might be overkill if you only have to do it once, but the libguestfs-tools are pretty useful. Do your LVM phyiscal volumes take up the entire disk space?
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3034 [22:39:00] <glassresistor> so im running a dell xps 13 with jessie and when i close my lid my screen doesn't turn off. i went in and into the systemd/logind.conf and set HandleLidSwitch=ignore but it doesn't seem to be working
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3039 [22:40:14] <jmcnaught> ani: have you tried starting a new login session? As far as I know, "curl -x" is not persistent
3040 [22:40:37] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: did you run "systemctl restart systemd-logind" after?
3041 [22:40:52] <ani> jmcnaught: i reboot server
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3045 [22:41:30] <jmcnaught> ani: so it's on your server that you are running wget and curl, not your PC?
3046 [22:41:43] <ani> yep
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3048 [22:43:03] <ani> its change anything?
3049 [22:43:16] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: i restarted my machine is that good enough?
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3054 [22:43:56] <jmcnaught> ani: if "iptables-save" doesn't show any rules about port 80 my guess is the problem is on the network, a firewall on the router perhaps
3055 [22:43:58] <DammitJim> jmcnaught, no, I just went through the excercise of booting from recovery and reducing my LVM to be only like 100GB instead of 1.8TB
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3057 [22:44:49] <ani> jmcnaught: but i not change router firewall rules, and after use cruls with proxy all broken
3058 [22:44:53] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: you reduced the LVs to that size, or also the volume group and PVs?
3059 [22:44:57] <ani> how it can be router
3060 [22:45:05] <ani> curl*
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3062 [22:45:16] <DammitJim> ah! good question, jmcnaught !!!
3063 [22:45:23] <DammitJim> let me check the tutorial I followed
3064 [22:45:45] <bryzNSTY> when I navigate to a folder in a terminal, is there a simple way of getting back to my home directory?
3065 [22:46:05] <DammitJim> jmcnaught, I only did a lvreduce
3066 [22:46:12] <jonbryan> bryzNSTY: cd
3067 [22:46:14] <jmcnaught> glassresistor: what does "loginctl show-session" say it is set to?
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3069 [22:46:50] <bryzNSTY> jonbryan: thanks!
3070 [22:46:52] <jmcnaught> ani: please stop hitting <enter> so much it's hard to follow you especially when others are talking
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3073 [22:47:14] <DammitJim> I don't think that reducees the volume group, does it?
3074 [22:47:44] <dionysus69> what solutions are there for debian to recieve/send sms via android?
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3076 [22:48:06] <jmcnaught> ani: do you have a ~/.curlrc file?
3077 [22:48:42] <ani> i alredy check it, nope
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3082 [22:50:26] <ani> jmcnaught: for you advise check router one more time, and find my older rule replaced-url
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3084 [22:50:40] <jmcnaught> ani: try running the command again, then "journalctl --since -2min" to see if there are clues in logs
3085 [22:51:04] <glassresistor> jmcnaught: one sec got called into something
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3089 [22:51:29] <ani> but whay broken after curl, before than working with it rule
3090 [22:52:08] <jmcnaught> ani: no clue what you've done. is that firewall rule active? i'm not familiar with that syntax.
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3093 [22:52:42] <ani> jmcnaught: redirect http to transperent http proxy
3094 [22:52:57] <ani> and it rule is fault
3095 [22:53:34] <ani> jmcnaught: all work now, thx for help and advice
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3097 [22:53:51] <jmcnaught> ani: you're welcome.
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3117 [23:05:13] <naptastic> I just installed Debian Jessie and I need to use my RME Digiface card, but hdsploader can't find the firmware it's looking for.
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3121 [23:05:31] <naptastic> I've installed firmware-linux-nonfree and alsa-firmware-loaders and neither one contains the firmware file.
3122 [23:05:34] <naptastic> Where do I find it?
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3127 [23:06:30] <jmcnaught> naptastic: do you know the name of the firmware file? does "dmesg | grep -i firmware" tell you?
3128 [23:06:39] <DammitJim> jmcnaught, yes, I reduced the pv
3129 [23:06:53] <naptastic> jmcnaught, hdsploader says Unable to open file '/usr/share/alsa/firmware/hdsploader/digiface_firmware_rev11.bin' for reading
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3131 [23:06:59] <DammitJim> vgdisplay shows Free PE / Size 402428 / 1.54 TiB
3132 [23:07:06] <naptastic> jmcnaught, thanks in advance for the help :) I'm also googling for that specific file.
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3136 [23:07:30] <DammitJim> jmcnaught, sorry, I reduced the LV
3137 [23:07:42] <DammitJim> hhhmmm pvdisplay shows this: PV Size 1.64 TiB / not usable 3.50 MiB
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3140 [23:07:59] <jmcnaught> naptastic: that file doesn't seem to be in any packages
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3144 [23:08:54] <naptastic> jmcnaught, correct. I've got one system booted into Windows to see if maybe I can extract it from someplace...
3145 [23:09:03] <DammitJim> not sure how to reduce the pv
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3147 [23:09:26] <naptastic> I seem to remember once having to boot into Windows, load the firmware, then reboot into Linux. That's not an option this time around.
3148 [23:09:28] <naptastic> There's no time.
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3150 [23:09:54] <DammitJim> weird, but pvs says: 1.54t PFree
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3152 [23:10:13] <SpeakerToMeat> Hello
3153 [23:10:48] <SpeakerToMeat> I'm about to install a few dependencies to build a package, and it's pulling in a lot of stuff.... is there any way to get a list of everything that's getting installed so that I can remove them after I've built?
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3156 [23:10:59] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: pvresize. i've never done it before. you'll also need to reduce the VG size, not sure which would come first
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3159 [23:11:13] <DammitJim> I have reduced the VG
3160 [23:11:39] <Circuitsoft> Where in replaced-url
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3163 [23:12:35] <jmcnaught> SpeakerToMeat: won't you need them later? Are you using "apt-get build-dep" ? that will show a list of what's getting installed.
3164 [23:12:55] <jmcnaught> Circuitsoft: are you trying to compile the samba package on jessie or something?
3165 [23:13:00] <Circuitsoft> Yes
3166 [23:13:38] <Circuitsoft> Specifically, trying to build a vfs module of my own creation, that I can use with stable/default samba packages.
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3168 [23:13:49] <Circuitsoft> And, trying to put my work on an internal git server while doing so.
3169 [23:14:05] <SpeakerToMeat> jmcnaught: I wont need them to use, onyl to build
3170 [23:14:24] <SpeakerToMeat> jmcnaught: And that doesn't tell me all the deps pulled in... but what I'll do is do a package list before, and after
3171 [23:14:51] <jhutchins> SpeakerToMeat: there are logs.
3172 [23:15:04] <Circuitsoft> I see branches for wheezy, lenny, squeeze, but not jessie.
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3175 [23:15:48] <SpeakerToMeat> Second question, I have to download 880MB of packages, it says installed it'll take 1500MB, but I have 2GB left... is there any way to tell apt to get interdependent packages in groups, install them and delete the packages before next group so as not to fill the disk?
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3187 [23:18:49] <jim> SpeakerToMeat, do you have separate partitions?
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3190 [23:19:10] <jmcnaught> SpeakerToMeat: before doing all of this did you check to see if the package is in jessie-backports?
3191 [23:19:13] <jim> the packages themselves get downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives
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3195 [23:20:03] <SpeakerToMeat> jmcnaught: It's not :(
3196 [23:20:18] <jmcnaught> Circuitsoft: have you tried using debcheckout?
3197 [23:20:23] <SpeakerToMeat> jmcnaught: Which is sad, since.... wait
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3199 [23:21:16] <SpeakerToMeat> jmcnaught: Yeah it's not... and it's sad since the version for stretch is the one I want
3200 [23:21:26] <Circuitsoft> jmcnaught: What's the difference between debcheckout and apt-get source?
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3202 [23:21:56] <SpeakerToMeat> jmcnaught: In fact I'm using the stretch debian tar.xz to build for Jessie, there is only one version mismatch which is debhelper's
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3204 [23:22:10] <jim> SpeakerToMeat, maybe you can rebuild the stretch package on your installation (in effect, backporting it)
3205 [23:22:24] <DammitJim> it's not possible to resize logical volumes while they are in use, right?
3206 [23:22:32] <SpeakerToMeat> jim: It's what I'm doing
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3209 [23:22:48] <jmcnaught> Circuitsoft: debcheckout clones the VCS, apt-get source fetches the source package
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3211 [23:23:04] <SpeakerToMeat> DammitJim: Resize how?
3212 [23:23:06] <Circuitsoft> jmcnaught: Looks like debcheckout just grabs the master branch. I just can't find wherever the jessie branch is.
3213 [23:23:07] <jim> DammitJim, it depends more on the filesystem type
3214 [23:23:20] <DammitJim> ext4
3215 [23:23:27] <SpeakerToMeat> DammitJim: You've added a PV to a LV and want to stretch it? it should be possible
3216 [23:23:40] <jim> you can grow it, I dunno about shrinking it
3217 [23:23:41] <Circuitsoft> DammitJim: You can make them larger, but not smaller.
3218 [23:23:41] <DammitJim> SpeakerToMeat, like if I need to add more space in a VM... then I add a hard drive with say 30GB
3219 [23:23:51] <SpeakerToMeat> What jim and Circuitsoft said
3220 [23:24:04] <DammitJim> oh ok, one can do the growth but not the shrink on the fly
3221 [23:24:08] <DammitJim> cool
3222 [23:24:11] <Circuitsoft> The biggest challenge with a VM is that you can't dynamically grow the partition table.
3223 [23:24:11] <SpeakerToMeat> DammitJim: Is this LVM we're talking about, or virtual disks?
3224 [23:24:23] <DammitJim> SpeakerToMeat, both?
3225 [23:24:27] <SpeakerToMeat> Circuitsoft: Unless he's using LVM
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3227 [23:24:29] <Circuitsoft> So, I ususally have one disk ~128M to hold partition table/grub/boot.
3228 [23:24:31] <DammitJim> virtual disk as in VMWare Virtual Disks
3229 [23:24:37] <DammitJim> and I have LVM configured in the VM
3230 [23:24:40] <jim> (you very likely know this... but... you grow the lv then the filesystem the lv contains)
3231 [23:24:45] <Circuitsoft> Then a second volume without a partition table to hold either LVM or a raw filesystem.
3232 [23:24:59] <DammitJim> yes, I've done that
3233 [23:25:10] <Circuitsoft> DammitJim: Question: Do you have LVM directly on the raw disk, or on a partition on the disk?
3234 [23:25:10] <naptastic> jmcnaught, I found it on Alsa's website... that'll teach me to panic under pressure! >_<
3235 [23:25:11] <SpeakerToMeat> Circuitsoft: If so, he should be able to create a paritition in the newly unpartitioned space in disk, add it as a PV to a VG and then to a LV, and then resize2fs
3236 [23:25:30] <DammitJim> I think I have been confused with this conversion I've been trying to do from physical to vm where the physical machine has 1.8TB and I can't create a VM that size
3237 [23:25:35] <Circuitsoft> SpeakerToMeat: The problem is that the kernel won't re-load the partition table if any of the partitions are in use.
3238 [23:25:42] <DammitJim> Circuitsoft, a partition on the disk /dev/sda5
3239 [23:25:50] <SpeakerToMeat> DammitJim: You could add it as an extra disk.
3240 [23:25:55] <Circuitsoft> So, if it's holding your rootfs, you need to reboot the system before you can use the extra space partitioned on.
3241 [23:26:20] <SpeakerToMeat> Circuitsoft: Hmmm I've done this on a xen vm before
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3244 [23:27:41] <SpeakerToMeat> See you all later
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3248 [23:28:27] <KjetilK> Anybody here able to comment on my plan for SSD+HDD setup for a router and firewall: replaced-url
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3254 [23:33:30] <DammitJim> thanks
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3261 [23:39:02] <Circuitsoft> Found it - it's stable-update
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