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16 [00:08:21] <O8RW31T926> Hi everyOne!
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46 [00:30:24] <jim> digidog, welcome
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61 [00:34:13] <Lugh> pretty girls... pvt me! I'm a seductor!
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69 [00:37:58] <cmtptr> asl
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77 [00:40:27] <cmtptr> anyway, somebody recommend me a thing to manage wireless networks via ifupdown that isn't guessnet because guessnet seems real bad
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80 [00:40:45] <cmtptr> okay, it's not real bad but I am upset with it because it doesn't understand source-directory
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111 [00:51:37] * iKarith finds himself wishing for a tool for doing more complex backports a little more easily
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142 [01:03:22] <iKarith> yes, I definitely want a tool for backporting. :P
143 [01:03:39] * iKarith is attempting to compile all of the XFCE 4.12 stuff for jessie
144 [01:03:58] <iKarith> Compiling a DE is not exactly trivial. ;)
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151 [01:06:49] <abrotman> judd: versions xfce
152 [01:06:50] <judd> No package named 'xfce' was found in amd64.
153 [01:06:52] <abrotman> judd: versions xfce4
154 [01:06:53] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; sid: 4.12.3
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159 [01:09:15] <Merovoth> What's a good equivalent to Bluestacks?
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163 [01:11:18] <huma> i'd like to upgrade from debian 6. it's recommended to have an updated system before starting the upgrade, but debian 6 (including lts) has reached eol by now. is editing /etc/apt/sources.list from ftp.us.debian.org to archive.debian.org and then running apt-get update is the right way to prepare the system?
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171 [01:13:22] <markybob> squeeze-lts sources
172 [01:13:32] <markybob> arg. anyway, yes
173 [01:13:48] <iKarith> huma: A system that old I'd suggest taking first to oldstable then to stable
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176 [01:14:42] <iKarith> abrotman: I need 4.12 for accessibility reasons, but need stable for other reasons, hence backport
177 [01:15:25] <iKarith> As xfce4 isn't going to show up in debian-backports anytime real soon, must do it myself. :)
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179 [01:15:51] <huma> iKarith: that would mean upgrade to wheezy first?
180 [01:16:15] <markybob> huma: yes. then reboot.
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182 [01:16:27] <huma> markybob: squeeze-lts is eol as of feb 2016
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184 [01:16:45] <markybob> huma: i know. i agree with you to use archives
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186 [01:17:14] <markybob> huma: deb replaced-url
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188 [01:17:36] <huma> markybob: ah, got it
189 [01:18:17] <iKarith> huma: If you'd done it back in January or so, it should've still been theoretically possible, but I'd have recommended wheezy as a layover anyway
190 [01:18:55] <iKarith> Debian versions tend to be too generational to go from oldoldstable to stable
191 [01:19:19] <iKarith> It's sometimes not as smooth as we'd like oldstable to stable
192 [01:19:23] <huma> markybob: would security updates be already incorporated into the latest squeeze-lts?
193 [01:19:54] <huma> iKarith: thank you. i'll do that.
194 [01:19:59] <markybob> huma: yes
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201 [01:21:38] <frank__> HicksD,
202 [01:21:59] <HicksD> hey frank__
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207 [01:22:27] <frank__> so how do i go about the upgrade?
208 [01:22:35] <HicksD> see replaced-url
209 [01:22:39] <HicksD> that will get you onto testing.
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211 [01:22:49] <HicksD> Then you can repeat changing testing entries to sid to move to unstable afaik.
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214 [01:24:10] <ule> hi there.. what's the difference between HdMedia and NetInstall ?
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216 [01:24:16] <ule> both looks like pretty small
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218 [01:24:30] <ule> I wanna make a bootable usb stick
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223 [01:26:15] <zykotick9> ule: the regular netinst will work for usb sticks... just cp/cat/dd to the device (DON'T use unetbootin)
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226 [01:27:46] <ule> cool thanks
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325 [02:13:40] <nadu> hi
326 [02:13:58] <nadu> how can I get a list about all installed packages from contrib and non-free?
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330 [02:15:36] * zykotick9 suggest vrms and runs away...
331 [02:15:45] <zykotick9> ^ horrible program
332 [02:15:46] <gry> synaptic shows it or you would like in command line?
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334 [02:16:45] <nadu> in command line
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338 [02:17:16] <nadu> vrms tells me, that there is no non-free software :)
339 [02:17:23] <nadu> how can I check contrib?
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342 [02:18:02] <nadu> it's a server. for what I've seen there shouldn't be any contrib or non-free software installed
343 [02:18:24] <nadu> but I want to be sure and disable both components from sources.list
344 [02:18:55] <markybob> nadu: dpkg-query -W -f='${Section}\t${Package}\n' | grep ^non-free
345 [02:19:03] <markybob> nadu: then change to contrib
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347 [02:19:34] <zykotick9> markybob: what would show main in the above command?
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350 [02:19:49] <nadu> yeah, that would be my question as well
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352 [02:20:03] <nadu> will Section show contrib and non-free?
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354 [02:21:17] <zykotick9> markybob: ya, i don't think that "dpkg-query -W -f='${Section}\t${Package}\n'" actually shows which repo is being used
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357 [02:21:51] <zykotick9> ^ unless contrib and non-free are? i can't test that...
358 [02:22:10] <markybob> zykotick9: main just doesn't show as non-free or contrib so you grep -v those
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360 [02:22:21] <zykotick9> ahhh...
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364 [02:24:32] <nadu> ok
365 [02:24:33] <zykotick9> nadu: <sidenote> vrms does list both contrib & non-free <- that's ALL it does actually, you could still have LOTS of manually installed non-free software on a system vrms says "rms would be proud"
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369 [02:24:53] <nadu> thanks. it seems like there hasn't been installed anything from contrib and non-free
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374 [02:25:51] <nadu> zykotick9: but vmrs doesn't show software from non debian repos, does it?
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376 [02:26:21] <zykotick9> nadu: not at all! just looks for anything installed from contrib/non-free and lists them. that's it.
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379 [02:26:58] <nadu> zykotick9: merci. good to know :)
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526 [03:50:40] <digidog> hm, does anyone know if broadcom BCM20702A1 bluetooth drivers are provided in any driver package ? searching for it in Debian packages gave no success
527 [03:51:42] <digidog> I only see BCM4xxxx
528 [03:52:37] <digidog> and 203x in bluez-firmware, but sadly no 207x
529 [03:53:22] <abrotman> which version of Debian?
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532 [03:55:45] <digidog> abrotman: Debian 8
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547 [04:00:27] <Iceman> Have anyone have problems of using PAGE Python on Debian?
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558 [04:07:13] <Iceman> I have problems installing 'PAGE Tkinter Python' on My Debian 8 Jessie
559 [04:08:13] <Iceman> I had searched in the google but there is no answer of my problems...
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565 [04:11:51] <jmcnaught> Iceman: how are you trying to install it? can you provide more details, perhaps a transcript of your attempt in a pastebin?
566 [04:12:11] <Iceman> I have the transcript
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568 [04:12:19] <Iceman> but I don't know how to show here
569 [04:12:37] <jmcnaught> Iceman: replaced-url
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571 [04:13:51] <Iceman> You can look at replaced-url
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574 [04:15:34] <jmcnaught> Iceman: oh. well since PAGE doesn't seem to be part of Debian this isn't the best place to ask. You could try #python or look for a mailing list or forum on the PAGE website.
575 [04:15:48] <Iceman> I had asked to PAGE owner but he said that it s not from PAGE Problems, but more like Debian
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579 [04:16:43] <Iceman> He said that the problems is about the TCL/Tk that dEBIAN use is not the latest once
580 [04:16:51] <Iceman> is that true??
581 [04:17:35] <Iceman> Sorry My english is bad
582 [04:17:47] <jmcnaught> Iceman: maybe. Debian Stable releases generally freeze all the versions (the freeze happened late 2014 for Debian 8 aka Jessie), and the versions remain the same for the entire life of that release
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584 [04:18:13] <jmcnaught> this is what "stable" means in Debian, things don't change, it's a stable platform
585 [04:19:48] <Iceman> ouu..
586 [04:20:03] <Iceman> So can I make a change of the "stable Version"?
587 [04:20:40] <Iceman> What is the TCL/Tk version that Debian used anyway??
588 [04:21:49] <jmcnaught> Iceman: check versions of packages with the command "apt-cache policy". "apt-cache policy tcl" tells me 8.6.0
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590 [04:22:41] <Iceman> Is there another version of TCL/Tk outside there? I mean , how to installed the latest one??
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596 [04:25:06] <jmcnaught> Iceman: replaced-url
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598 [04:25:09] <madprops> hi
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600 [04:25:24] <madprops> how easy is it to install debian on uefi?
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604 [04:26:49] <jmcnaught> madprops: it's pretty easy. if the install boots in uefi mode it will install grub-efi. make sure you use an installer image, live images don't support uefi
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607 [04:27:15] <madprops> i see thanks
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613 [04:28:56] <digidog> jesus, from smoke to smother: No Caching mode page found (harddisk on usb) but I really would liek to cache .... o.@
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615 [04:29:25] <digidog> ... Assuming drive cache: write through
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617 [04:29:29] <digidog> no, no, no
618 [04:29:34] <digidog> *facepalm*
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620 [04:30:01] <digidog> strange enough, the drive is added to fstab with async
621 [04:30:14] <digidog> but I assume the usb connection makes it tricky
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623 [04:31:30] <digidog> does this has to do with the usb plug station chipset maybe ?
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625 [04:31:40] <Iceman> I know that, but the author of PAGE said that..
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627 [04:31:47] <n1cky> anyone around here use knoppix?
628 [04:32:06] <Iceman> @nicky.. yeap, but not anymore
629 [04:32:16] <n1cky> I'm trying to figure out what's inside their flash-knoppix script
630 [04:32:26] <jmcnaught> Iceman: maybe the author of PAGE doesn't know much about Debian? You could try installing it in a virtualenv
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632 [04:32:42] <jmcnaught> !knoppix
633 [04:32:42] <dpkg> Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. replaced-url
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637 [04:33:06] <jmcnaught> n1cky: please use the #knoppix channel
638 [04:33:10] <Iceman> I don't know how to install it
639 [04:33:13] <n1cky> jmcnaught: understood, thanks.
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642 [04:34:14] <Iceman> I knew that virtual env is a place to works and to tried package ,without any worried that could be happened in our main system
643 [04:34:35] <n1cky> does the debian livecd use the generic debian kernel?
644 [04:34:44] <Iceman> but I just don't get it how to put all the things into that folder..
645 [04:35:04] <abrotman> !livecd
646 [04:35:04] <dpkg> A "live CD" (or live system) is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (replaced-url
647 [04:35:19] <n1cky> !debian live
648 [04:35:19] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
649 [04:35:35] <jmcnaught> n1cky: the topic has examples of how to message the bot privately
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652 [04:36:29] <Iceman> @Nicky you don't need to installed Knoppix inside your system,instead you can put free space to your Knoppix USB Stick to save your data
653 [04:37:08] <Iceman> I have tried Knoppix, it s really nice and work very well in old computer
654 [04:37:14] <jmcnaught> n1cky: there's a virtualenvwrapper tool that makes using python virtualenvs pretty easy and convenient. with it installed you can "mkvirtualenv food" and "workon foo"
655 [04:37:44] <n1cky> jmcnaught: you're confusing people
656 [04:37:54] <jmcnaught> Iceman: it's nice of you to help but we just explained that Knoppix is off-topic here
657 [04:37:57] <Iceman> jmcnaught :: who do you speaks with??
658 [04:38:09] <Iceman> okay.. I am sorry
659 [04:38:20] <Iceman> I don't mean to anything
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661 [04:38:25] <jmcnaught> ahh n1cky sorry the virtualenv message was for Iceman
662 [04:38:35] <Iceman> hahaha jmcnaught
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664 [04:39:14] <Iceman> okay . I ll try the virtualenv
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670 [04:39:48] <Iceman> Ian B is the author , If I don't mistake?? he is now a javascript programmer
671 [04:40:20] <jmcnaught> Iceman: anyways check out virtualenvwrapper, make sure to read /usr/share/doc/virtualenvwrapper/README.Debian. Not using PAGE is another option, maybe you'll find a sensible alternative available in Debian
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673 [04:40:47] <Iceman> Do I need to installed anything else to run virtualenv in my Debian 8?
674 [04:41:36] <Iceman> Yes, of course I have alternative . I use wxPython & wxGlade, they work perfect in Debian 8
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676 [04:43:47] <jmcnaught> Iceman: python-virtualenv but virtualenvwrapper depends on it.
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678 [04:44:34] <Iceman> I need PAGE to make my works of making problems is easier and faster
679 [04:44:47] <Iceman> *making programs/apps
680 [04:45:03] <jmcnaught> Iceman: my advice is use alternatives in Debian since they're probably better
681 [04:45:30] <Iceman> But Tkinter is the faster tools to make a simple Apps
682 [04:46:02] <jmcnaught> Iceman: Tkinter is part of the Python standard library I thought
683 [04:46:36] <Iceman> that is why I still need it,I had tried Linux Mint before Debian. It works perfect
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685 [04:47:14] <Iceman> PAGE is a nice toolkit GUI Builder that used Tkinter Lang
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688 [04:47:56] <Iceman> I know I can use script language to make GUI builder with Tkinter, but I will spend a lot of time making it
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691 [04:48:33] <jmcnaught> Iceman: i think your options at this point are 1) make a paste of errors you are getting, provide details about what you've tried, the way things don't work, actual error messages and/or 2) go back to the PAGE developer and tell him you've confirmed you have Tcl/Tk 8.6.0
692 [04:49:34] <Iceman> I had done your latest point, and The PAGE developer is having confused how to fix it..
693 [04:49:51] <Iceman> until now I still sent the report bug to him
694 [04:50:08] <Iceman> And he said the problems is around the TCL/Tk
695 [04:50:14] <jmcnaught> Iceman: maybe you're not providing him enough details either
696 [04:50:36] <Iceman> I had follow everything he needs and suggest
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699 [04:51:03] <Iceman> Anyway, how do I make a report bugs in debian?
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701 [04:52:41] <jmcnaught> Iceman: replaced-url
702 [04:53:22] <Iceman> I think I need an information from both sides (Debian and PAGE), so I can get a clear informations
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704 [04:55:00] <Iceman> Can I send an image here?
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706 [04:55:07] <Iceman> to make thing clear
707 [04:55:36] <jmcnaught> Iceman: sure
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709 [04:56:47] <Iceman> How to do it?
710 [04:56:55] <Iceman> I rarely used chat rooms
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712 [04:57:16] <Iceman> or Can I chat you with private?
713 [04:57:29] <Iceman> can I chat you privately?
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715 [04:57:39] <jmcnaught> Iceman: oh, you could put it on replaced-url
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717 [04:58:02] <jmcnaught> or replaced-url
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719 [05:00:28] <Iceman> I had sent both
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721 [05:00:40] <Iceman> I had sent to both
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725 [05:01:46] <jmcnaught> Iceman: you'll need to provide the URL for your image here if you want us to be able to see it
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727 [05:02:09] <Iceman> replaced-url
728 [05:02:23] <Iceman> Is it right?
729 [05:03:03] <Iceman> I don't often use chat to solve computer problems..ahahah
730 [05:03:13] <Iceman> I usually search in google
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739 [05:06:15] <Iceman> please let me know jmcnaught by sending private messages
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742 [05:06:40] <jmcnaught> Iceman: doing support in the channel is preferred so others can help too
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744 [05:07:35] <jmcnaught> Iceman: unforunately I am not familiar with this software. The message on line one of your paste seems to mean that a function is being called with the wrong arguments.
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746 [05:11:01] <jmcnaught> Iceman: it also looks like the message starts before line 1 from your paste
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749 [05:13:19] <jmcnaught> Iceman: anyways, if the upstream author of PAGE can't make their software work in Debian, investing your time in software that's actually in Debian is probably best. Maybe look at eric and qtdesigner, or using PyGTK and Glade
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752 [05:15:40] <jmcnaught> or just leave without saying goodbye and let me type into the ether
753 [05:16:01] <esainane> :/
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790 [05:47:00] <STMelon> o/
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799 [05:49:29] <luxio> I'm trying to install steam and this message pops up: replaced-url
800 [05:49:40] <luxio> It's asking me to login to install a package, but I'm not a sudoer
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812 [05:54:43] <luxio> I'm also pretty sure I already have those dependencies
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816 [05:56:49] <markybob> luxio: why don't you install steam via apt-get install steam?
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818 [05:57:09] <markybob> luxio: do that as root
819 [05:57:24] <luxio> Yeah I just did that
820 [05:57:26] <luxio> still same error
821 [05:57:49] <markybob> luxio: pastebin the apt-get output
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823 [05:58:23] <luxio> replaced-url
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826 [05:58:41] <veek> how do you start exim4 on debian systemctl doesn't list it
827 [05:58:55] <luxio> when I first installed: replaced-url
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829 [05:59:10] <veek> it's installed by default on debian and i turned it off
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832 [06:00:21] <luxio> markybob,
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840 [06:05:27] <jmcnaught> luxio: seems like you're using a steam repo to install it. Why not use the steam package in Debian non-free? There are instructions here: replaced-url
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843 [06:06:35] <luxio> jmcnaught: Oh I see a problem
844 [06:06:47] <luxio> When I do "sudo", it asks for my password, but I'm not a sudoer
845 [06:07:27] <jmcnaught> luxio: you can add yourself to the sudo group with "adduser username sudo" and then log out, log back in
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849 [06:08:12] <jmcnaught> luxio: if you're not using the steam package provided by Debian, you should definitely get support from the people who run repo.steampowered.com
850 [06:08:24] <STMelon> he logged off..
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852 [06:08:57] <jmcnaught> STMelon: thanks
853 [06:09:08] <STMelon> .:jmcnaught:. luxio: if you're not using the steam package provided by Debian, you should definitely get support from the people who run repo.steampowered.com
854 [06:09:08] <luxio> jmcnaught: Doesn't that just make me a root user pretty much?
855 [06:09:28] <luxio> I got it working
856 [06:09:36] <luxio> Steam, that is
857 [06:09:38] <jmcnaught> luxio: you only have root powers when you use sudo
858 [06:09:48] <luxio> jmcnaught: Yeah and that requires my password
859 [06:09:55] <luxio> so if you have my password you essentially have root
860 [06:10:01] <luxio> that seems like bad design
861 [06:10:13] <STMelon> you can set users in sudo to not have root, but have access to sudo
862 [06:10:15] <jmcnaught> luxio: that's how sudo works. don't share your password.
863 [06:10:16] <STMelon> su is beter
864 [06:10:26] <STMelon> better*
865 [06:10:27] <luxio> STMelon: that's what I was using
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867 [06:10:59] <STMelon> jmcnaught is helping you more i can
868 [06:11:32] <jmcnaught> luxio: the steam package in Debian doesn't seem to require sudo, but you added a third-party repo instead
869 [06:11:43] <luxio> is that bad?
870 [06:12:35] <jmcnaught> luxio: generally you should add third party repos for stuff already in debian as they can cause complications during upgrades
871 [06:12:38] <STMelon> more than i can* sorry typo
872 [06:12:43] <jmcnaught> sorry should not add ...
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874 [06:12:58] <luxio> I used 3 methods to install:
875 [06:12:59] <luxio> 1. apt-get
876 [06:13:02] <luxio> 2. aptitude
877 [06:13:10] <luxio> 3. downloaded the .deb and used dpkg -i steam*
878 [06:13:31] <STMelon> isnt steam OS still beta?
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880 [06:14:25] <jmcnaught> about as much as i know about steam is that jessie has a package for it in non-free, so adding a repo.steampowered.com to sources.list or downloading .debs to install with dpkg should be unnecessary
881 [06:14:58] <somiaj> note the jessie package is just the 'steam installer', but that is enough to then isntall steam into $HOME by the user that runs steam.
882 [06:15:15] <somiaj> and it works well, it will downlaod the latest version of steam during the install
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889 [06:20:22] <luxio> now I have a new error
890 [06:20:27] <luxio> replaced-url
891 [06:20:31] <luxio> none of the solutions there worked
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894 [06:21:33] <jmcnaught> luxio: make a paste of your command and output, linking to some random forum thread isn't very helpful
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896 [06:22:16] <STMelon> prolly best to get help feo ubuntu or steam os.. sorry.. no offence.. this is debian
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900 [06:24:20] <luxio> hold on, rebooting
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906 [06:26:45] <luxio> I think I broke my install
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908 [06:27:20] <luxio> I'm on windows right now
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910 [06:27:28] <luxio> hold on, brb
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917 [06:29:33] <luxio> yeah, I broke my install
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920 [06:30:35] <jmcnaught> luxio: the friendly people here might be able to help you if you provide details and pastes
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922 [06:30:50] <luxio> jmcnaught: I can't paste because I can't get into debian
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924 [06:31:14] <luxio> I ran some command, rebooted, now it's saying it can't identify the filesystem of /dev/sda
925 [06:31:19] <luxio> it was apt-get nvidia-glx-something
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928 [06:32:24] <luxio> found it. I ran "sudo apt-get install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386"
929 [06:32:32] <luxio> now my system won't boot into debian
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934 [06:34:16] <jmcnaught> luxio: try the recovery mode option under advanced in the grub boot menu
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936 [06:35:03] <luxio> jmcnaught: As much as I'd like to fix this problem and get back to using debian
937 [06:35:12] <luxio> I don't think debian is the best for me
938 [06:36:01] <luxio> Clearly I'm having trouble with even the basics
939 [06:36:26] <STMelon> dont give up...
940 [06:36:41] <STMelon> jmcnaught, will help you
941 [06:36:52] <jmcnaught> heh... maybe :P
942 [06:37:57] <jmcnaught> luxio: if you can boot into recovery mode it can probably be fixed. or you can at least back stuff up before you reinstall or install something else. Next time try the Debian packages for stuff first and use third party sources and debs as a last resort
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1031 [07:32:44] <ljhade24> Hi, is there linux application that can open erwin file?
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1050 [07:39:36] <pharpend> ljhade24: I don't know what that is
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1053 [07:40:51] <pharpend> ljhade24: Looked it up, it's some proprietary application. There's a gratis community edition of their software, but it won't open any nontrivial files
1054 [07:40:58] <pharpend> ljhade24: so, in conclusion, no
1055 [07:41:48] <ljhade24> pharpend: thank you
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1058 [07:42:32] <ljhade24> pharpend: I also googled it but there seem no application can open this file
1059 [07:42:53] <pharpend> ljhade24: Sorry :/. This is why you shouldn't use proprietary software =p
1060 [07:42:59] <pharpend> or at least proprietary file formats
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1074 [07:52:07] <gry> ljhade24: can use their community edition limited to 25 objects, if the file is simple enough; or ask a friend student if his university has it; also can ask sender to send you something in another format
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1079 [07:53:18] <ljhade24> gry: but they don't provides linux version of it
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1083 [07:55:45] <gry> erwin allows xml export
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1089 [07:58:25] <ljhade24> gry: how can I import that on linux?
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1097 [08:01:13] <asd213a> hi guys. Anybody else having trouble installing linux-image-amd64 from jessie backports?
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1099 [08:01:58] <asd213a> replaced-url
1100 [08:02:32] <jmcnaught> asd213a: what command did you use?
1101 [08:02:40] <gry> ljhade24: ask a friend who has this program, or ask sender to send it to you as PDF
1102 [08:03:23] <asd213a> jmcnaught: apt install linux-image-amd64/jessie-backports or apt install linux-image-amd64 -t jessie-backports
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1104 [08:04:34] <jmcnaught> asd213a: can you show the output of "apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64" and include the command in the paste? Also pastebin kinda sucks, replaced-url
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1106 [08:05:34] <jmcnaught> asd213a: the "linux-image-amd64/jessie-backports" syntax says only to take that package from backports, not its dependencies
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1108 [08:06:12] <PatienceZero> FYI: I've documented many cases in which gry either gives inacurate information and/or responds to questions which were never asked.
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1112 [08:06:53] <asd213a> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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1115 [08:07:47] <AlexZion> Hi everyone I have some problem with mysql on my debian server , is here the right place to ask for help ?
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1117 [08:08:28] <gry> PatienceZero: nobody asked you
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1119 [08:08:45] <gry> AlexZion: what's up?
1120 [08:10:24] <AlexZion> I have a xampp installation tha was wworking just finebut after I install mysql workbench on xampp doesn't start anymore mysql
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1123 [08:10:49] <dax> dpkg: xampp
1124 [08:10:49] <dpkg> XAMPP for Linux (formerly LAMPP) is a way of installing lots of software that is already packaged for Debian. Don't use XAMPP, instead use aptitude install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server gettext perl libapache2-mod-perl2 sqlite webalizer mcrypt expat proftpd libpng3 libjpeg62 ... actually, just ask me about <search>.
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1127 [08:11:13] <Se7en> I need a quick help. What is the Debian equivalent of /sbin/runscrypt
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1129 [08:11:20] <Se7en> I need to port a script
1130 [08:11:35] <AlexZion> I tried even to remove and purge any mysql and than reinstall xampp but it doesn't change the situation
1131 [08:11:53] <jmcnaught> asd213a: i don't think you're doing anything wrong, it seems that the linux-image-4.4.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 package isn't there right now. have you looked for announcements on the backports site or the BTS?
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1133 [08:12:35] <AlexZion> I understand your point dax but right now I need to recover that system ...
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1135 [08:13:29] <jmcnaught> Se7en: what is runscrypt? definitely not a typo?
1136 [08:13:45] <Se7en> /sbin/runscript
1137 [08:13:47] <Se7en> Sorry
1138 [08:13:57] <dax> i'd guess runscript. there's a /usr/bin/runscript in minicom, but since there's no comments about what it's supposed to do, i don't know if that's equivalent
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1140 [08:13:58] <asd213a> jmcnaught: oops: replaced-url
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1142 [08:14:30] <Se7en> replaced-url
1143 [08:14:59] <dax> Se7en: yeah, looks like you want to install the minicom package if it's not already installed, and use /usr/bin/runscript then
1144 [08:15:17] <Se7en> thank you
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1149 [08:16:52] <gry> curious xampp thing, first time i hear, thanks dax
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1153 [08:17:00] <gry> has #apachefriends
1154 [08:17:34] <dax> gry: people wander into #ubuntu with it occasionally, so I'm familiar with it being an unsupportable mess
1155 [08:17:38] <Haohmaru> what needs to be done to have a debian machine be resolvable to an IP from its name on the local network?
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1157 [08:18:04] <Haohmaru> ...like windows machines can be resolved by default
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1173 [08:25:35] <jmcnaught> Haohmaru: do your debian systems use DHCP? I don't know Windows very much, but seems like on my LAN the systems that use DHCP tell my router their hostname, and if I used the dnsmasq on my router as my resolver than it just works
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1183 [08:30:03] <gry> Haohmaru: replaced-url
1184 [08:30:09] <Se7en> For some reason this isn't working on my fork
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1186 [08:30:16] <Se7en> Is this a misconfigured script
1187 [08:30:17] <Se7en> replaced-url
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1189 [08:31:18] <Se7en> Am I supposed to modify this?
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1193 [08:33:14] <Se7en> Anyone?
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1196 [08:35:06] <jmcnaught> Se7en: 1) people are less likely to help you if you're impatient 2) are you using openrc on Debian, not very many people are, 3) "isn't working on my fork" what does that mean? Can you provide error messages and other details like which release of Debian, what you're trying to do etc?
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1198 [08:35:43] <Se7en> It just states that it can't recognize those definitions on the top, as it is attempting to render them as commands
1199 [08:35:49] <Se7en> I don't know how to stop that
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1205 [08:36:35] <Se7en> script "/etc/init.d/dnscrypt-proxy" line 4: unknown command "DNSCRYPT_LOGFILE=${DNSCRYPT_LOGFILE:-/var/log/dnscrypt-proxy.log}"
1206 [08:37:00] <Se7en> I don't know why it isn't using it as a definition
1207 [08:37:17] <jmcnaught> Se7en: are you using OpenRC as your init system?
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1212 [08:37:37] <Se7en> Yes. My fork uses it by default
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1214 [08:37:50] <jmcnaught> Se7en: what fork are you talking about?
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1216 [08:38:08] <arahael> Se7en: have you tried using a knife?
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1218 [08:38:21] <Se7en> Trisquel
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1221 [08:38:37] <Se7en> arahael, heh
1222 [08:38:44] <jmcnaught> !trisquel
1223 [08:38:44] <dpkg> Trisquel is a Spanish distribution initially based on Debian, now Ubuntu. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
1224 [08:38:58] <jmcnaught> Se7en: ^^
1225 [08:39:21] <Se7en> But I'm asking questions about the Debian terminal, not OpenRC as it is on Trisquel
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1227 [08:39:49] <Se7en> my problem is that it fails to define and I don't know if this script is wrong, if I need to change it
1228 [08:39:50] <Se7en> etc
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1231 [08:40:32] <gry> the terminal is not really a debian terminal, it's written by someone else; it just happens that both distros come with it
1232 [08:40:53] <arahael> what "terminal" is this? xterm?
1233 [08:40:55] <jmcnaught> Se7en: distros based on Debian are not supported in this channel. you're also asking about an OpenRC script which is not the default on Debian
1234 [08:40:58] <gry> (this channel tries to avoid thinking about other distros just in case there is a tiny problem causing yours, and the other channel is better at it)
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1238 [08:41:25] <Se7en> Alright
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1242 [08:42:01] <arahael> always feels very final when people leave.
1243 [08:42:25] <fishcooker> what's the alternative of '# yum whatprovides mail' in deb world? i want to know what package provide command mail
1244 [08:42:51] <arahael> apt-file
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1246 [08:43:29] <gry> arahael: he is in the other channel now :)
1247 [08:43:54] <arahael> gry: also, other distros don't exist :)
1248 [08:44:15] <gry> haha, but we pull from them I think! if they have something meaningful ...
1249 [08:44:48] <arahael> gry: we call those "the package upstream"
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1251 [08:45:17] <jmcnaught> fishcooker: also you can generally use the command "dpkg -S filename" to see which installed package provided a file
1252 [08:45:32] <Haohmaru> hm, actually, i lied, on windows i can only resolve the name of my own machine, but can't resolve the names of the other windows machines on the lan, nor can i resolve my ip from any of them.. damn you windows for fooling me
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1254 [08:46:47] <arahael> Haohmaru: try waiting for 30 minutes. you may find that it suddenly works.
1255 [08:46:54] <arahael> Haohmaru: yes. 30 minutes.
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1259 [08:47:59] <jmcnaught> fishcooker: the mail command on Debian is managed by the alternatives system, so also take a look at "update-alternatives --display mailx"
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1264 [08:50:34] <gry> Haohmaru: try winbind and/or samba
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1272 [08:52:24] <jmcnaught> Haohmaru: it might be a simple as not using google's DNS servers as the resolvers for all your machines, and use your router as a resolver instead, but this is more of a ##networking problem than a #debian problem
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1278 [08:53:31] <gry> Haohmaru: on which machine you are trying to resolve? when I needed to resolve a windows machine name on a debian laptop, winbind worked
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1282 [08:57:33] <Haohmaru> well, basically i want to use the debian PC as a "server" sort of.. and it'd be convenient if the other computers on the network can just refer to it by a name
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1362 [09:12:16] <jair> tttthf
1363 [09:12:24] <jair> sorry
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1386 [09:24:19] <moozer> I have a new package question
1387 [09:24:34] <moozer> obs-studio is on the new list: replaced-url
1388 [09:25:12] <moozer> its "arch" is "source amd64" - does that mean it has both a source package and amd64, or *only* a source package?
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1390 [09:26:12] <dutchfish> moozer, to get into the repos it needs both
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1392 [09:26:38] <dutchfish> moozer, if it is an ARCH limited too
1393 [09:26:38] <Guest66764> Hi.
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1395 [09:26:58] <moozer> dutchfish: and since I don't find it on packages.d.o it is not available as binary?
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1397 [09:27:20] <dutchfish> moozer, build it yourself ;)
1398 [09:27:24] <moozer> dutchfish: "ARCH limited" - what is that?
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1401 [09:27:58] <Guest66764> I have a hard time finding cgred daemon in debian. I am relatively a new user so I wanted to ask more experienced ones: is cgred missing or am I looking in the wrong place?
1402 [09:28:00] <moozer> dutchfish: I should be able to build a binary package from a source package :-)
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1404 [09:28:04] <dutchfish> moozer, normally a source can be build on all ARCHes, there are exception for ARCH specific ones
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1406 [09:28:06] <Guest66764> I am using jessie
1407 [09:28:15] <buu> Someone talk to me about sas controllers in linux
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1409 [09:28:43] <moozer> dutchfish: thanks, I'll just build it on another machine and install the resulting binary
1410 [09:29:02] <dutchfish> moozer, more info here replaced-url
1411 [09:29:18] <buu> SAS cards operate like routers or switches right?
1412 [09:29:26] <buu> The Controller is the router and the expanders are the switches?
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1415 [09:30:01] <dutchfish> moozer, when the source is in good shape, 'fakeroot dpkg-builpackage -us -uc` should build when all dependecies are met.
1416 [09:30:09] <moozer> dutchfish: I saw it - and my debian packaging foo is kind on non-existing, so it didn't tell me a lot
1417 [09:30:39] <srite00> im trying to install mongodb and getting this error replaced-url
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1419 [09:30:43] <srite00> how to fix it?
1420 [09:30:44] <dutchfish> moozer, well, start at the debian wiki's like debian new maintainers guide
1421 [09:31:06] <jmcnaught> Guest66764: do you have the cgroups-tools package installed? You can you apt-file to search package contents
1422 [09:31:07] <moozer> dutchfish: I played with it last month, so I'll dig out my notes. I wasn't dificult.
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1424 [09:31:16] <dutchfish> moozer, ok
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1426 [09:31:27] <jmcnaught> buu: probably a better question for ##hardware
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1429 [09:32:09] <dutchfish> moozer, if you are really intrested to get it sponsered, ask a maintainer, test the package, report bugs etc etc
1430 [09:32:09] <jmcnaught> srite00: don't use -y
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1432 [09:32:55] <buu> jmcnaught: Think anyone is alive?
1433 [09:33:01] <srite00> thanks
1434 [09:33:15] <jmcnaught> srite00: also those don't look like debian packages
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1436 [09:33:38] <srite00> okay now installed correctly
1437 [09:33:42] <jmcnaught> srite00: anyways, using apt-get -y is dumb, it robs you of the chance to say no if it wants to do something half-crazy
1438 [09:33:58] <moozer> dutchfish: I think that specific package is being handled and is "pending upload". But yes, I am considering how to contribute
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1440 [09:34:11] <srite00> i copied it from mongodb manual
1441 [09:34:17] <jmcnaught> buu: i don't know, but general questions about how hardware works is offtopic here
1442 [09:34:24] <dutchfish> moozer, ok, fair enough, i saw its debian-multimedia
1443 [09:34:41] <jmcnaught> srite00: did you have to edit sources.list too?
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1445 [09:34:51] <llusato> Good morning. I'm totally new in Debian. I'd like to know how can I enable the firewall? Many thanks! :)
1446 [09:34:53] <cafuego> you put the electron in one end and on the side and then an electron comes out the other end or not
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1450 [09:35:08] <srite00> yes
1451 [09:35:30] <Guest66764> jmcnaught, the package does not contain any service file.
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1455 [09:36:38] <jmcnaught> srite00: on Debian it's generally recommended to use what's provided by Debian and try and make that work (Debian has its own mongodb packages) before adding upstream repos and using their instructions that include stuff like "apt-get -y".
1456 [09:37:00] <dutchfish> moozer, contact the maintainer, to avoid double work ;)
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1458 [09:37:13] <jmcnaught> Guest66764: check the packages's directory in /usr/share/doc/ to see if one of the files explains changes made from upstream
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1460 [09:37:40] <llusato> And anothes question: When will be Gnome 3.18 released in stable?
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1463 [09:38:32] <nindustries> Hi, I have the following configuration. But when trying to request an IPv6 for eth0 (br0 worked), I get 'no link local address'. Ideas? replaced-url
1464 [09:38:59] <dutchfish> moozer, oh, and good luck
1465 [09:40:05] <jmcnaught> llucenic: probably never. Debian Stable doesn't get new versions, except for some packages in backports or a few exceptions for security fixes like web browsers and samba recently. The word "stable" means "doesn't change/break/surprise you when you do upgrades"
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1469 [09:40:28] <srite00> jmcnaught, okay thanks :)
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1471 [09:41:18] <jmcnaught> llucenic: for your firewall questions there are several ways to do this on Debian including using iptables and various front-ends like ufw, shorewall etc
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1476 [09:42:28] <llusato> ok but can you give me one, please?
1477 [09:42:31] <llusato> many thanks
1478 [09:43:07] <jmcnaught> llucenic: sorry for the accidental hilights
1479 [09:43:10] <bipul> I was trying to compile dash source package, but i am getting error messages replaced-url
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1481 [09:43:39] <jmcnaught> llusato: give you one what?
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1483 [09:44:03] <llusato> Good morning. I'm totally new in Debian. I'd like to know how can I enable the firewall? Many thanks! :)
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1485 [09:44:22] <bipul> And i don't see any .deb file in parent directory,only i can see dash_0.5.7-4ubuntu1_i386.build
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1487 [09:44:34] <jelly> bipul: is this a debian system?
1488 [09:44:51] <bipul> jelly, No.
1489 [09:44:52] <llusato> Can you give me one option to enable debian firewall
1490 [09:45:03] <bipul> Sorry.
1491 [09:45:14] <jmcnaught> llusato: replaced-url
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1494 [09:45:36] <dutchfish> bipul, looks like your build dir was unwritable maybe
1495 [09:45:44] <jelly> bipul: here's a free hint tho: make sure to unpack the source as the same user that's going to build it. Not as root.
1496 [09:46:25] <bipul> jelly, I am not in root.
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1499 [09:47:04] <dutchfish> bipul, i believe dash should be build with fakeroot
1500 [09:47:29] <llusato> ok and to enable firewall ufw after startup automatically?
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1504 [09:48:25] <dutchfish> bipul, and i assume you have dev scripts latest
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1506 [09:48:41] <bipul> dutchfish, Yes, every thing is latest.
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1508 [09:49:02] <bipul> I have install packages needed to build dash, and devscripts
1509 [09:49:24] <dutchfish> bipul, what version of buildessentials?
1510 [09:49:25] <bipul> Created directory debian,then grab the dash source package
1511 [09:49:35] <jmcnaught> llusato: the ufw package will come with documentation, if its documentation is not sufficient try a different one
1512 [09:49:40] * jelly points bipul and dutchfish to #ubuntu or ##linux
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1514 [09:49:54] <bipul> then went inside dash* directory and executed debuild -us -uc
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1519 [09:51:17] <llusato> ok many thanks Bye!
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1521 [09:52:01] <Guest66764> jmcnaught, can't find the information. Do you know something about the deviation from standard cgred daemon approach ?
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1525 [09:53:27] <jmcnaught> Guest66764: no. other places to look for information would be bugs.debian.org for that package, and the wiki. i've never used cgred before, maybe it's obsoleted by systemd or cgmanager?
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1533 [09:54:38] <Guest66764> jmcnaught, thanks for your input.
1534 [09:55:11] <bipul> dutchfish, 11.6ubuntu6
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1536 [09:56:02] <dutchfish> bipul, sorry i can't hep with that, i solely do Debian
1537 [09:56:07] <dutchfish> help*
1538 [09:56:44] <jmcnaught> bipul: #debian isn't for any distro that uses dpkg and other debian tools, you should ask in #ubuntu or start using Debian
1539 [09:56:45] <bipul> dutchfish, :) it's ok.
1540 [09:56:46] <dutchfish> bipul, for your info, i just did a build of dash in testing, and that worked without a glitch
1541 [09:57:54] * bipul Respect dutchfish work to debian.
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1544 [09:58:30] <bipul> for*
1545 [09:58:53] <dutchfish> bipul, ask in #ubuntu, good luck
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1547 [09:59:17] <sandieg> hi dudes
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1549 [09:59:22] <sandieg> can someone help me plz ?!
1550 [09:59:24] <sandieg> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GM206 [GeForce GTX 960] [10de:1401] (rev a1)
1551 [09:59:27] <sandieg> Uh oh. Your card is only supported by the 71.86 legacy drivers series,
1552 [09:59:32] <sandieg> Why ?
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1554 [09:59:41] <inthl> using ip addr add ... the added IP does not show up in ifconfig. why is that?
1555 [10:00:06] <Stummi> ifconfig only shows one IP per interface
1556 [10:00:11] <sandieg> i have a gtx960
1557 [10:00:53] <Stummi> inthl, you should either use ip or ifconfig for both, setting and reading interface configuration
1558 [10:01:03] <Stummi> (preferably ip)
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1561 [10:02:00] <jelly> sandieg: that looks like a bad guess from the version of nvidia-detect you got installed
1562 [10:02:03] <inthl> my issue is that I added an IP with ip addr add, now I would like to switch to that IP address as the main one without doing ifdown/ifup
1563 [10:02:18] <sandieg> jelly i just read the wiki
1564 [10:02:23] <sandieg> can you advice me, plz
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1566 [10:02:30] <inthl> I just wonder how to do that safely without losing the connection
1567 [10:02:49] <jelly> sandieg: sometimes the tools are buggy. which debian release are you using?
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1569 [10:03:15] <sandieg> jelly how can i check it ?
1570 [10:03:23] <jelly> !debian suite
1571 [10:03:23] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
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1573 [10:03:48] <sandieg> I am using this one, cat /etc/debian_version
1574 [10:03:48] <sandieg> stretch/sid
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1577 [10:04:24] <inthl> Stummi, basically it is about changing the primary interface ip
1578 [10:04:34] <nindustries> So my br0 currently has an ipv6 but I see it has the same MAC as my eth0, how can I make eth0 get an address too?
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1580 [10:04:58] <Stummi> inthl, not sure if theres something as a "primary" ip at all
1581 [10:05:07] <Stummi> (except in "the one configured first")
1582 [10:05:11] <sandieg> Debian GNU/Linux stretch/sid
1583 [10:05:30] <sandieg> jelly: do you know how to fix this ?
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1585 [10:05:39] <Stummi> inthl, you can try to delete and re add the new ip via ip addr
1586 [10:05:46] <inthl> Stummi, well then how would I remove that first one without ifup/ifdown
1587 [10:05:54] <inthl> hm
1588 [10:06:07] <Stummi> ip addr del
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1594 [10:08:38] <sandieg> jelly: should i go 32bit version of the driver, or 32bits ARM version ?
1595 [10:08:42] <jelly> sandieg: I'd basically make sure the latest nvidia-detect was installed. Are you sure this is a Debian system and not a derivative OS?
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1597 [10:08:57] <sandieg> derivative for elves os
1598 [10:09:02] <sandieg> im not a et
1599 [10:09:06] <sandieg> so i use derivated
1600 [10:09:14] <sandieg> help me setting my debian up
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1605 [10:11:28] <jelly> sandieg: if you installed from a debian installer image, try asking in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. If you installed something else, not from debian.org, ask the people who provided the image.
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1608 [10:12:49] <sandieg> replaced-url
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1610 [10:12:55] <sandieg> take a look, jelly
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1617 [10:15:34] <towo^work> sandieg, you have knoppix and wheezy-backports on stretch is stupid
1618 [10:15:34] <sandieg> i am facing dependency issue
1619 [10:15:45] <sandieg> towo^work: hi!
1620 [10:15:58] <towo^work> knoppix is not debian
1621 [10:16:14] <sandieg> should i work around the clock with the nvidia.com driver .run ?
1622 [10:16:23] <peterrooney> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
1623 [10:16:24] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 352.79-6; sid/non-free: 352.79-7; experimental/non-free: 355.11-2
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1625 [10:16:51] <sandieg> wich one is mine ?
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1627 [10:16:58] <towo^work> sandieg, you should use debian or ask in a knoppix chan
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1649 [10:29:55] <Guest66764> Anyone knows why cgroups in debian are missing files(options) like cpu.cfs_quota_us?
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1662 [10:40:11] <dionysus69> what is end of life of jessie?
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1664 [10:40:30] <dionysus69> I remember from somewhere that lifecycle of debian major releases was 10 years, is that correct?
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1666 [10:40:57] <punisher> do you know when jessie was released?
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1668 [10:41:13] <jmcnaught> dionysus69: no, it's 1 year after the next stable release
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1670 [10:41:17] <jmcnaught> punisher: one year ago
1671 [10:41:25] <defanor> replaced-url
1672 [10:41:29] <punisher> ah ok
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1681 [10:45:38] <dionysus69> so debian lts is used for ubuntu lts base?
1682 [10:45:51] <dionysus69> and debian lts is same as debian stable?
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1685 [10:48:24] <babilen> dionysus69: Debian supports *some* stable releases as LTS after their normal support ended. See replaced-url
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1687 [10:48:58] <defanor> babilen: why "*some*"? the page says "all Debian stable releases"
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1694 [10:51:08] <dionyziz> Hi folks. I tried to install mysql-server and it failed. Now I can't use apt-get at all. replaced-url
1695 [10:51:16] <dionyziz> I can't upgrade, I can't install other packages, nothing.
1696 [10:51:23] <dionyziz> Can I somehow make it forget that I wanted to install mysql-server?
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1698 [10:51:52] <babilen> defanor: It is still decided on a case-by-case basis. I'd expect there to be LTS support for all upcoming stable releases however
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1700 [10:52:46] <dionyziz> I already tried "rm -rf /var/lib/apt/* && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"
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1703 [10:53:34] <Stummi> dionysus69, apt-get purge mysql-server
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1705 [10:53:42] <Stummi> dionyziz, * ^
1706 [10:53:58] <Stummi> dionyziz, not sure if deleting /var/lib/apt/* is a good idea
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1712 [10:54:45] <Stummi> (isn't the actual systems state stored there?)
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1716 [10:55:45] <Stummi> if so, you probably broke your debian with running this command
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1718 [10:56:48] <dionyziz> Stummi: your command helped, it works now :)
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1720 [10:56:57] <dionyziz> Stummi: I think the apt-get update rebuilt at least /var/lib/apt/lists
1721 [10:57:15] <Stummi> /var/lib/apt contains more then the list directory
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1723 [10:57:41] <Stummi> I would restore this directory from the backup if I were you
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1725 [10:58:54] <Stummi> theres a extended_states file. Not sure what it does exactly but it looks important to me
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1734 [11:05:03] <nickgaw> Hi, What does the message mean core temperature above threshold CPU clock throttled?
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1736 [11:05:42] <Stummi> nickgaw, your CPU is slowed down because it overheats
1737 [11:06:03] <nickgaw> When will it speed up again?
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1739 [11:06:19] <Stummi> probably when it cooled down
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1742 [11:06:45] <Stummi> nickgaw, (I think when its below the value sensors shows you as "hyst")
1743 [11:07:04] <nickgaw> Is there a way to stop the kernel from slowing down the system should I wish to do this temporary?
1744 [11:07:25] <Stummi> not sure, IIRC its done by the BIOS or CPU directly, not the kernel.
1745 [11:08:04] <Stummi> also you don't want to do this. Its a measure that keeps you from cooking your CPU. You have a cooling problem and should fix this instead
1746 [11:08:14] <nickgaw> When this system ran windows 7 I never had those messages why is that and does windows have safty features like this?
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1749 [11:08:40] <Stummi> maybe windows 7 just didn't show you. Where did you look there for this message?
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1753 [11:09:26] <nickgaw> I never looked but debian displays it on the console.
1754 [11:09:47] <nickgaw> Are there ways in Jessie to avoid those messages being displayed?
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1760 [11:12:26] <dionysus69> how do I develop packages for debian? what programming languages can I use?
1761 [11:12:55] <dionysus69> is there a definite guide to create package from scratch and get .deb in the end?
1762 [11:13:00] <nickgaw> Did you install build-essential as that installs most things for c and c++?
1763 [11:13:17] <dionysus69> I think I have build-essentials
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1765 [11:13:37] <dionysus69> yes I have it
1766 [11:13:39] <jelly> !nmg
1767 [11:13:39] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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1773 [11:16:34] <jelly> dionysus69: you can ask dpkg bot about that other stuff in private, eg. /msg dpkg package basics
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1775 [11:16:58] <dionysus69> hmm interesting ha
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1792 [11:27:35] <touki> Hello, I have a problem here with mongodb on Jessie. Tried few solutions online, none seems to be working. Error is "Error: couldn't connect to server 127.0.0.1:27017 at src/mongo/shell/mongo.js:145" Any idea?
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1796 [11:28:37] <touki> mongod notifies a problem of DBPATH but /etc/mongodb.conf indicates the right one.
1797 [11:28:56] <dionysus69> jelly: how do I get debian site credentials? do I need to be approved?
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1809 [11:36:37] <touki> to be more precise the error I get with mongod: exception in initAndListen: 10309 Unable to create/open lock file: /var/lib/mongodb/mongod.lock
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1829 [11:45:59] <dionysus69> is debian mobile project still under development? are there any smartphone devices that support debian yet?
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1836 [11:48:02] <anddam> IIRC maruos is debian-based
1837 [11:48:16] <anddam> and ubuntu is actively pushing that same agenda
1838 [11:49:12] <SQL> replaced-url
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1840 [11:49:26] <SQL> replaced-url
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1844 [11:51:23] <dionysus69> also, does it mean debian will run alongside android or standalone?
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1846 [11:51:53] <dionysus69> also what ui does it use? I found notice of gnome and kde in debian mobile section but how does it even look never heard or seen it
1847 [11:51:58] <SQL> I would assume standalone - the page I linked talks about dual-booting / etc, so it wouldn't be under quemu / etc
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1863 [12:00:17] <f0f4r> Hi, Can I have some problem using cname over cname?
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1869 [12:02:52] <justatemp123> hey. Is there a decent way to uninstall nvidia proprietary drivers (from nvidia binary) in order to install the prop. package from the repos? someone mentioned yesterday that nvidiabinary --uninstall messes up xorg completely
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1876 [12:04:21] <arahael> justatemp123: the solution to that problem was package managers,
1877 [12:04:31] <justatemp123> rekt
1878 [12:05:04] <arahael> justatemp123: such as dpkg, used by apt.
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1885 [12:06:48] <justatemp123> so my only viable option is a reinstall?
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1896 [12:13:25] <arahael> justatemp123: if you're a purist.
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1900 [12:14:10] <arahael> justatemp123: i'd probably just leave it.
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1918 [12:22:58] <saunakangelane> Hello, I just debootstrapped efi styled debian jessie. Problem is I cannot boot, I always get bios. What is the problem here ? Asus a-58M motherboard and AMD a8-7600 APU.
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1921 [12:24:18] <Mathisen> question: everywhere i look it says that you should use vi for edit files.. but i always use nano/pico .. is this a bad thing ? i cant see the diffrence
1922 [12:25:15] <petemc> it can be useful to learn vi/vim, if you will always have access to nano its not essential
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1925 [12:25:30] <mezo> i use nano since ever without probs
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1927 [12:26:07] <xulin> i have 3 ethernet card, 2 ot them are usb interface. but i can't enable all of them in the Gnome network. if i enable the second one, the first one will be disabled. why?
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1929 [12:27:26] <saunakangelane> Using nano is completely fine, Only case I had trouble when Nano was not installed on RHEL machine, so knowing vim commands is very useful and recommended.
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1931 [12:28:13] <arahael> Mathisen: you're the first to suggest that there is no difference between nano/pico and vi.
1932 [12:28:33] <arahael> Mathisen: that said. for the sudoers file, always use visudo.
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1935 [12:29:03] <gluon> it's a personal matter, it's perfectly fine to use nano/pico
1936 [12:29:23] <Mathisen> so the main thing then is that vi/vim is available on most systems and nano is not
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1938 [12:29:37] <gluon> i use vim heavily when coding, but usually nano is my goto editor when editing config files
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1940 [12:29:56] <gluon> Mathisen: yeah, that's fair to say
1941 [12:30:01] <Mathisen> okej thx
1942 [12:30:09] <gluon> but you can focus on the basic commands of vi/vim
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1944 [12:30:18] <gluon> which aren't that hard and will save you from trouble
1945 [12:30:23] <Mathisen> i tried it and it confuses me :))
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1947 [12:30:27] <gluon> no need to learn everything about vim
1948 [12:30:32] <Mathisen> so many strange shortcuts
1949 [12:30:35] <xulin> anyone has the same problem when using gnome network manager?
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1953 [12:31:11] <arahael> Mathisen: if you don't lkke it. then jnstall nano or whatever. realky doesn't matter/
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1955 [12:31:20] <gluon> Mathisen: that's true, but for simple tasks you probably need no more than knowing how to save a file, exit, insert text
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1957 [12:32:16] <gluon> you don't really need to learn much more than that and like arahael says, it's totally a matter of preference
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1959 [12:32:38] <Mathisen> nice thx for the input
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1961 [12:33:07] <gluon> my suggestion would be learn simply how to save changes, insert text and quit for those cases where vi is the only editor installed and you cannot do anything about iy
1962 [12:33:09] <gluon> it
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1968 [12:37:56] <arahael> or if you suddenly become totally blind.
1969 [12:38:18] <arahael> and require a braille line and suddenly realise that actually. ed is the best editor.
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1973 [12:39:48] <anddam> every time I install a new debian system I hit the head against nano as default editor
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1975 [12:40:10] <anddam> that's the single point of debian that actually enrages me, I don't expect to be a non-vi like editor right there on a new system
1976 [12:40:41] <saunakangelane> Whatever I do in bios, it doesn't let be boot efi, but uefi is enabled -.-
1977 [12:40:49] <anddam> I'd fork just to put vi as default editor
1978 [12:40:58] <anddam> saunakangelane: if you're doing it in bios then it's not efi
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1980 [12:41:18] <anddam> but I figure you meant "firmware" rather than bios
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1982 [12:41:38] <arahael> anddam: caldera's vi>
1983 [12:41:49] <arahael> anddam: pretty crappy editor.
1984 [12:42:14] <anddam> not sure what that is
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1986 [12:42:21] <arahael> anddam: vim is far better. (and vi emulation is pretty crappy too.)
1987 [12:42:23] <saunakangelane> What else could be the problem anddam ? It goes directly into bios and does not boot. My other machine worked fine.
1988 [12:42:38] <anddam> saunakangelane: UEFI implementations are often buggy, from what I read around and my own experience
1989 [12:42:57] <anddam> saunakangelane: it depends on what's happening on your side of the internet, "doesn't work" isn't enough detail
1990 [12:42:59] <gluon> anddam: vibian! :)
1991 [12:43:07] <saunakangelane> You mean I did set it up wrong ?
1992 [12:43:07] <gluon> cool name for a fork
1993 [12:43:15] <anddam> gluon: mmmm… donuts
1994 [12:43:39] <saunakangelane> The secure boot is disabled aswell from bios
1995 [12:43:53] <gluon> i won't say it enrages me, but yeah it's a bit weird to find nano on a mininal install
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1997 [12:44:09] <arahael> gluon: vim isn't a minimal editor.
1998 [12:44:18] <anddam> gluon: it enrages because I end with files with ":wq" lines and so
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2000 [12:44:32] <gluon> lol anddam
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2002 [12:44:45] <arahael> nano is as minimal as it gets. well, or ed.
2003 [12:45:10] <anddam> saunakangelane: that's firmware setup, don't call it bios since it's exactly what uefi is replacing
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2005 [12:45:23] <anddam> saunakangelane: is the disk correctly formatted? what is the computer actually saying on boot?
2006 [12:45:40] <anddam> saunakangelane: can you boot uefi shell?
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2009 [12:46:08] <anddam> is nano package way smaller than vi's one?
2010 [12:46:11] <anddam> arahael: ^
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2012 [12:47:20] <arahael> anddam: well, considering that vi itself didn't exist for a while - instead, vim in vi-emulation was used.
2013 [12:47:34] <saunakangelane> It says -> Secyre biit us ebabked ti orevebt ybtrysted ioeratubg systems from loading during the system startup. But on another tab it says Secure boot disabled
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2017 [12:47:50] <gluon> arahael: i was talking about vi, not vim
2018 [12:48:01] <arahael> anddam: and vim is now pretty damn big now. then again, now we have more "small" vi clones.
2019 [12:48:17] <saunakangelane> Omg, sorry -> Secure boot is enabled to prevent untrusted operating systems from loading during the system startup. Sorry I didnt look at monitor
2020 [12:48:59] <arahael> gluon: easy test to know if you're running vi: Increase your window size to over 100 or 200 columns. does it crash? No? then it ain't vi.
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2027 [12:51:56] <gluon> to be honest, i don't even care so much if it's vi/vim or nano installed by default, it's more about both being there on a minimal install
2028 [12:52:04] <gluon> one would be probably enough
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2031 [12:52:43] <arahael> gluon: i'd want a minimal install to be /small/.
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2033 [12:53:21] <nebg> hello everyone how can i become an official debian developer ^
2034 [12:53:22] <nebg> ?
2035 [12:53:35] <gluon> arahael: yeah, i'm a minimalist too, i see your point
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2037 [12:54:21] <gluon> i just didn't bother to check the size of the binaries yet
2038 [12:54:23] <gluon> vi vs nano
2039 [12:54:48] <arahael> gluon: it also neatly sidesteps the whole vi/emacs thing.
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2041 [12:54:58] <gluon> haha yeah
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2047 [12:56:16] <gluon> arahael: although it could bring up the whole nano/pico thing, but that's not nearly the same level as vi/emacs
2048 [12:56:17] <gluon> :)
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2050 [12:57:12] <babilen> nebg: replaced-url
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2053 [12:57:30] <gluon> the nano binary is actually smaller than the vi binary i have installed indeed
2054 [12:57:35] <gluon> i'm not exactly sure what vi is this
2055 [12:57:56] <arahael> gluon: not to mention, the ancillary files.
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2057 [12:58:02] <gluon> yeah
2058 [12:58:06] <arahael> gluon: your vi is probably vim/
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2061 [12:58:51] <gluon> yup, the manpage certainly suggests so
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2064 [12:59:35] <gluon> speaking of minimalism, despite being the quintessential minimalist, i actually like systemd
2065 [12:59:53] <arahael> systemd is good.
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2067 [13:00:24] <arahael> not minimal, but neccessary.
2068 [13:00:46] <gluon> i don't think it's monolithic, it's quite well compartmentalised and although not being minimal, it's hard to accomplish its goal in a minimal way
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2072 [13:02:43] <gluon> among other things, the commonality of using the same commands to manage the daemons on my debian 8 and centos 7 servers is quite welcome
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2080 [13:04:32] <gluon> i disliked system v very much since forever
2081 [13:04:36] <gluon> so that might play a role too
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2083 [13:05:03] <arahael> sys-v isn't that bad. i liked it.
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2085 [13:06:00] <gluon> i was more into bsd init
2086 [13:06:26] <arahael> more complex than bsd-init, yeah. but bsd init is bad from package-install scripts perspective.
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2089 [13:06:41] <gluon> yeah i agree
2090 [13:07:01] <gluon> like you said, systemd was a necessary "evil"
2091 [13:07:19] <gluon> it comes with lots of positives
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2096 [13:08:06] <gluon> and at the end of the day, it's up to the distros to decide how much they rely on it and how much options they use at compile time when building it
2097 [13:08:34] <arahael> systemd also has great synergy as well.
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2099 [13:08:44] <gluon> if they're using so many functions of systemd, even those outside the traditional scope of such software, i think that's probably because they work
2100 [13:08:50] <gluon> and the integration
2101 [13:08:53] <gluon> it brings
2102 [13:09:02] <arahael> anyway.
2103 [13:09:17] <arahael> systemd discussion is technically offtopic.
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2106 [13:09:53] <gluon> fair enough
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2110 [13:12:09] <kzar> When I lock the screen I get prompted for both username and password, where as I would prefer to just be prompted for my password. Any ideas how I could go about that? (I _think_ I'm using lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter. I already checked /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf but I couldn't see anything relevant.)
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2112 [13:12:34] <randomgry> how do you lock it ?
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2115 [13:13:17] <kzar> randomgry: By closing the laptop lid or hitting the hotkey I bound, I think both run xflock4 and then light-locker in turn.
2116 [13:14:06] <randomgry> looks like this replaced-url
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2119 [13:14:33] <kzar> randomgry: No, I removed that screensaver application and installed light-locker to replace it
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2123 [13:15:38] <randomgry> command 'dm-tool lock' and command 'dm-tool switch-to-greeter' both have this problem ?
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2125 [13:16:41] <anddam> is there an utility like tmate.io but without requiring to start the tmux session?
2126 [13:16:45] <kzar> randomgry: Yes, looks exactly the same. I would prefer to switch to unity-greeter to be honest but don't see a Debian package for that
2127 [13:16:55] <anddam> that is I'd like a public point of access for sshd tunneling
2128 [13:16:56] <randomgry> and 'light-locker-command -l' same problem ?
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2130 [13:16:58] <anddam> ssh*
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2133 [13:17:20] <kzar> randomgry: Yes
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2152 [13:25:50] <kzar> randomgry: Any ideas?
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2154 [13:26:01] <randomgry> not yet, I'm still reading about this on the internet
2155 [13:26:50] <kzar> randomgry: It's a puzzler. Originally I thought perhaps that's what lightdm-gtk-greeter just did, but I see screenshots online of it behaving like I expected
2156 [13:26:58] <kzar> does*
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2163 [13:32:19] <Iridos> randomgry, sounds unusual... but I can't test it on my system... for some reason light-locker can't lock here at all
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2165 [13:33:40] <randomgry> vocabulary is not helping, I mostly find irrelevant. share a screenshot please?
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2167 [13:34:30] <Iridos> ?
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2169 [13:35:11] <randomgry> and check '/var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log' (I am responding to kzar here...)
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2171 [13:35:19] <Guest18094> Why does Debian, in addition to offering individual packages, also make available DVDs containing all the packages for the distribution?
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2173 [13:35:52] <Iridos> oh right, it was hist question... sorry; mixed that up
2174 [13:36:02] <randomgry> np :)
2175 [13:36:12] <Guest18094> Ubuntu doesn't. (Apparently, most people want the latest package, and, due to security updates etc, the DVDs become outdated rather quickly
2176 [13:36:48] <arahael> Guest18094: not everyone has fast internet. i remember a while back i would buy debian.
2177 [13:37:04] <randomgry> ...and /var/log/lightdm/x-0-greeter.log
2178 [13:37:25] <randomgry> (I don't know of the full dvd. thought it contains some builtin packages but not the complete repo shipped with it
2179 [13:37:28] <Guest18094> That is a good reason, arahael
2180 [13:37:30] <arahael> Guest18094: indivual packages do becomw outdated, but it still saves a lot of time.
2181 [13:37:53] <Iridos> Guest18094, "why" isn't really a question for here. but yes... you might be in central africa on a 200kb modem and still want to install an OS on your old and used computer
2182 [13:38:00] <kzar> randomgry: replaced-url
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2185 [13:38:30] <shakem> it is a pretty good package selection being distributed in a convenient way. it is not meant to be updated all the time because it does not have to.
2186 [13:38:38] <arahael> Iridos: 200kb modem, that'd have been awesome, i was lucky to get 28.8kbps!
2187 [13:39:05] <shakem> though, i really question the need for debian to distribute debug packages in such images.
2188 [13:39:19] <Guest18094> shakem - *not needing* frequent updates is a good reason, too! :)
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2191 [13:39:28] <arahael> shakem: that's a philosopical point.
2192 [13:39:53] <arahael> shakem: as a dev, it can be convenient.
2193 [13:40:05] <Iridos> and I guess the dvd images are also hybrid images and people can put them on usb sticks
2194 [13:40:08] <shakem> yes. it is not necessarily good for security though, but i love debian for that reason.
2195 [13:41:02] <Iridos> probably some freaking huge image for a stick would be better these days, but hey, the DVD images have been there sind the 90ies
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2197 [13:41:12] <shakem> there is.
2198 [13:41:29] <shakem> they are 2 bluray images.
2199 [13:41:36] <shakem> if i recall correctly.
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2201 [13:41:54] <kzar> randomgry: Be right back, restarting
2202 [13:43:05] <gluon> it's been a long long while since i used debian-testing as my desktop, i wonder if it's still a good option and as close to a rolling release as possible
2203 [13:43:48] <arahael> gluon: sid is a rolling release.
2204 [13:44:11] <arahael> gluon: but it's never stable.
2205 [13:44:18] <randomgry> kzar: and you will get replaced-url
2206 [13:44:22] <gluon> yeah
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2208 [13:44:53] <gluon> i used debian-testing for many years as well as archlinux, the experience was similar
2209 [13:45:03] <gluon> at the end of the day debian was my favourite tho
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2212 [13:45:25] <arahael> i tried many distros back in the day. kept returning to debian.
2213 [13:45:28] <gluon> especially because i already worked with debians on the server side
2214 [13:45:37] <gluon> yup, more or less like me
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2216 [13:46:05] <arahael> my least favorite was redhat 5 or something. and mandrake.
2217 [13:46:14] <arahael> to this day i still dislike rpm.
2218 [13:46:19] <gluon> redhat 5.2 was my first ever linux distro
2219 [13:47:06] <gluon> i'm not a particular fan of rpm either, but yum on centos/rhel makes it usable enough for me
2220 [13:47:25] <arahael> meh.
2221 [13:48:52] <gluon> as a user it doesn't make much difference to me, but as a package, deb/apt ftw!
2222 [13:48:59] <gluon> packager*
2223 [13:49:12] <shakem> "arahael | shakem: as a dev, it can be convenient." i might sound like i didnt read your line, but care to explain this point?
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2226 [13:51:43] <kzar> randomgry: Back, missed some of your messages as ZNC is only saving the past ~100 messages for each channel
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2228 [13:52:23] <kzar> randomgry: I replaced light-locker with gnome-screensaver, that seems to work fine and also fixes another bug I was experiencing (cursor disappearing after logging back in sometimes)
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2232 [13:54:27] <Iridos> arahael, suse around 2000 was much worse than redhat... a package manager that overwrites your self-written config files because it knows better? lovely idea!
2233 [13:54:33] <Iridos> but we're getting offtopic with that
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2236 [13:55:16] <shakem> kzar: here you go replaced-url
2237 [13:56:09] <kzar> shakem: ty
2238 [13:56:13] <kzar> randomgry: Thanks for all the help
2239 [13:56:21] <shakem> yw
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2248 [13:59:22] <prago_1> need help with the tool "txt2html"... anybody can help me?
2249 [13:59:23] <mistnim> is there a file that lightdm is going to source when logging in?
2250 [13:59:43] <mistnim> like .profile, but it doesn't source .profile
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2258 [14:01:39] <ghormoon> hi, any hints how to make an app autostart when remote X access is available? it uses DISPLAY=IP:0, I need to autostart when the user that allows the xhost +sourceIP logs in. noly thing I thought of is ssh with key on the X machine, but I'd like to avoid having key to the app machines on the X one
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2278 [14:07:12] <randomgry> kzar: aha.. report bug with lightdm please? one issue and one enhancement request, I think command 'reportbug' but needs a working email on that machine...
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2280 [14:07:23] <randomgry> kzar: and congratulations or something
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2286 [14:09:49] <mistnim> is there a script lightdm will launch/source when logging in?
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2288 [14:10:23] <bazhang> such as lightdm.conf?
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2290 [14:10:47] <randomgry> yes, session-setup-script
2291 [14:10:48] <mistnim> bazhang: sometthing like .profile
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2294 [14:11:06] <teraflops> mistnim: ~/.xprofile
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2296 [14:11:19] <mistnim> teraflops: it doesn't work for me
2297 [14:11:47] <teraflops> mistnim: what are you trying to do? It gets sourced here
2298 [14:12:26] <themill> randomgry: reportbug will send the message directly to the debian servers, no MTA required.
2299 [14:12:26] <installingproces> flawless, thank you Debian team!
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2303 [14:13:52] <mistnim> teraflops: well, I have something setup in .profile so that it will recogninze another bin folder. When I log in through tty it works, I do cp .profile .xprofile, and log in with lightdm but it doesn't work
2304 [14:14:59] <teraflops> cp. Profile to xprofile is... Well just put the related stuff
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2306 [14:16:08] <mistnim> teraflops: yeah, same thing
2307 [14:16:10] <randomgry> mistnim, session-setup-script , has couple other at replaced-url
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2310 [14:16:33] <randomgry> no, at replaced-url
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2314 [14:17:24] <teraflops> mistnim: Mind pasting to a sane pasteboard site your.xprofile
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2321 [14:19:40] <dirkk> Hi, how can I distingish inputs in /dev/inputs/ ? I have by-path, event0, event1, etc..
2322 [14:20:10] <mistnim> teraflops: dpaste.de/mGx2
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2325 [14:20:40] <mistnim> teraflops: the last line is the most important
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2331 [14:23:11] <teraflops> mistnim: are you sure the lines don't get truncated there?
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2337 [14:25:43] <mistnim> teraflops: yep
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2344 [14:28:01] <teraflops> Tried in bash profile or whatever shell you use?
2345 [14:28:54] <mistnim> teraflops: that might work but just when I'm on the shell though, isn't it? that's not ideal
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2348 [14:30:37] <teraflops> Then I have no idea unless you need some #!bashwathever at top of. xprofile
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2414 [14:59:17] <mistnim> teraflops: are you on jessie stable?
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2417 [15:00:29] <teraflops> yes
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2419 [15:00:54] <mistnim> teraflops: which wm?
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2422 [15:02:39] <teraflops> if you use lightdm it sources ~/.xprofile no matter which DE/WM you're in
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2425 [15:03:19] <mistnim> teraflops: well it's not doing it for me, so I though it was the DE
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2432 [15:05:05] <teraflops> mistnim: is your user "work"?
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2434 [15:05:40] <mistnim> teraflops: yes
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2437 [15:05:58] <teraflops> also try to avoid $USER and use work instead
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2468 [15:26:03] <markfoodyburton> Hi, this is a network question: I have a debian box set up as a router / firewall. I have a pair of modems (which are netgear's running modfs). I'm running PPPD(s) on the router. My ISP has moved my 2 lines to both me on the same concentrator (:-( ) so pppd is getting confused. To solve this I've added two vlans (one for each modem). Running each one separately is now fine. When I run the two lines together - I get >60
2469 [15:26:26] <iamwhoiam> hello people. a question: does anybody know how I can get the complete list of all available packages in debian stable in their CUDF format?
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2490 [15:39:11] <Jidoor> i've been trying to figure out a good way to set permissions for the replaced-url
2491 [15:39:19] <Jidoor> default is root which wont allow apache to create or modify files
2492 [15:39:26] <Jidoor> now i set them all to owner and group replaced-url
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2503 [15:42:53] * themill doesn't like the idea of the httpd having the ability to write files
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2519 [15:49:29] <Jidoor> another thing i encountered was i put permissions to 770 and wasn't able to open folder or list their content
2520 [15:49:54] <Jidoor> i guess those require execute permission but my user was part of the group that owned the files
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2522 [15:50:43] <Jidoor> i read somewhere you have to relog if you add yourself to some usergroup is that correct?
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2551 [16:03:45] <anddam> installing python-virtualenv on jessie pulls in 3.4 packages as well, why is this? I ran "apt-get install python-virtualenv" on a fresh new system
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2633 [16:42:46] <MarcL> I have set Firefox to delete automatically everything when I close it, I don't think it delete the adobe-flash cache also, right? There is some command in terminal or some other way to delete easily cache from flash-plugins and if necessary from the pc also?
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2685 [16:59:16] <Boloyankee> hey there.. i cant install retroshare i get this broken package errors.. any solution?
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2698 [17:02:22] <Boloyankee> i get the libssl 1.0.0 required and i have libssl 2.** replaced-url
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2703 [17:03:57] <jelly> Boloyankee: which debian release are you using?
2704 [17:04:25] <Boloyankee> jelly, deb 3.1
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2708 [17:05:11] <jjwilliams> in debian how can i enable pthread.so module?
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2710 [17:05:29] <jjwilliams> i try ` pecl install pthreads`, but it throws
2711 [17:05:32] <jelly> Boloyankee: are you sure about that? that's like more than a decade old
2712 [17:05:33] <jjwilliams> pthreads requires ZTS, please re-compile PHP with ZTS enabled
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2716 [17:06:16] <jelly> Boloyankee: pastebin the output of: /usr/bin/lsb_release -a
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2728 [17:08:56] <Boloyankee> jelly, sorry man.. ma BAD its debian testing
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2759 [17:20:40] <jelly> Boloyankee: ah, then it's expected not to have libssl1.0.0 available. You will have to add a repository for debian stable (debian 8) to get it.
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2762 [17:20:50] <jelly> dpkg, tell Boloyankee about jessie sources.list
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2764 [17:22:16] <Boloyankee> jelly, but i have libssl 2.* why should i have to go down to 1.0.0 ver?
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2766 [17:23:30] <jelly> Boloyankee: because the package you're trying to install was built to use libssl1.0.0, and libraries coming in different package names are not compatible with each other
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2770 [17:24:34] <Boloyankee> jelly, oky man, thanks
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2786 [17:27:48] <Spr1ng> Anybody know how to enable the new braille unicode graphs in htop2.0?
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2792 [17:31:53] <Boloyankee> Spr1ng, try replaced-url
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2795 [17:32:10] <moldo> i love debian and linux people
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2798 [17:32:57] <saunakangelane> Does asus motherboards not support GPT ?? I have a58m-a and cannot boot uefi
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2801 [17:33:30] <saunakangelane> using qemu with that harddrive worked, so it is not the issue here
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2804 [17:34:40] <Spr1ng> Ah Boloyankee that's probably it.
2805 [17:34:59] <srg2> I'm having an issue where my screen is blanking after I startx. I'm getting this in my logs: replaced-url
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2807 [17:35:33] <srg2> this is my video card: replaced-url
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2810 [17:37:09] <Iridos> srg2, hm, try lspci -nn instead, it gives you an id number like [0000:0000]
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2814 [17:38:32] <srg2> Iridos: It gives 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Turks LE [Radeon HD 5570/6510/7510/8510] [1002:675f]
2815 [17:38:39] <srg2> (among all the other pci devices)
2816 [17:38:39] <Boloyankee> srg2, if you have internet connection just hold 'Ctrl + Alt + f1' then reinstall xserver-xorg "apt-get purge xserver-xorg* && apt-get install xserver-xorg*" that will probably fix the issue
2817 [17:38:54] <srg2> Boloyankee: I can't switch betwen conoles with ctrl+alt+f*
2818 [17:38:56] <srg2> it wont let me
2819 [17:39:03] <srg2> I have to basically poweroff the system
2820 [17:39:16] <srg2> I'm booted now into a terminal, I'll try doing that now
2821 [17:39:18] <Iridos> judd, pciid 1002:675f
2822 [17:39:19] <judd> [1002:675f] is 'Turks LE [Radeon HD 5570/6510/7510/8510]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in jessie. See also replaced-url
2823 [17:39:28] <Boloyankee> srg2, can you get a terminal?
2824 [17:39:36] <srg2> yeah, it boots into a terminal
2825 [17:39:40] <srg2> this only happens when I `startx`
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2830 [17:40:14] <Boloyankee> srg2, you have terminal then try what i told you
2831 [17:40:32] <Iridos> mmh. the database only says Works? Yes
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2833 [17:40:38] <Iridos> no kernel version
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2836 [17:41:29] <srg2> Boloyankee: you want me to install every xserver-xorg package?
2837 [17:41:46] <Boloyankee> srg2, yes can you do that?
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2839 [17:43:21] <srg2> Boloyankee: that install command gives me an error saying the following packages have unmet dependencies, xserver-xorg-input-mtrack
2840 [17:43:39] <srg2> conflicts with xserver-xorg-input-multitouch
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2842 [17:44:06] <Boloyankee> srg2, try typing "gdm3" in terminal
2843 [17:44:12] <srg2> I don't have gdm installed
2844 [17:44:23] <srg2> this is a fresh install from the netinstaller
2845 [17:44:32] <srg2> i installed xorg and xfce4
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2849 [17:45:33] <saunakangelane> does anyone have asus motherboard with efi and gpt and it works ??
2850 [17:45:35] <Iridos> srg2, hmm... replaced-url
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2852 [17:45:57] <desperatehelpnee> hi
2853 [17:46:09] <desperatehelpnee> can somebody tell me what is the arch chat ?
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2855 [17:46:12] <srg2> Iridos: ah, runpm seemed to fix it
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2857 [17:46:21] <desperatehelpnee> my pc fcked up and i need it now for school
2858 [17:46:25] <babilen> dpkg: arch linux
2859 [17:46:25] <dpkg> Arch Linux is an a i686 optimized linux distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary and source based package management. replaced-url
2860 [17:46:28] <babilen> desperatehelpnee: ^
2861 [17:46:34] <desperatehelpnee> ty
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2865 [17:46:47] <Iridos> srg2, dunno... but that looks similar. and it's from 2016 (it does link back to an old bug from 2012, though)
2866 [17:46:59] <Iridos> srg2, worth a shot, I think
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2869 [17:47:18] <gregf> anyone know of some instructions that shows how to pxe boot the debian-live cd? Keep getting init/bin/sh exists but can't execute
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2872 [17:49:28] <Boloyankee> srg2, can you pastebin your reinstallation of xserver-xorg?
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2876 [17:50:38] <desperatehelpnee> sorry if i ask on this page but for writing in the arch linux channel i need to register and since this is my only pc (i dont know how to use any text browser) and my graphic interface won't start
2877 [17:50:48] <desperatehelpnee> i need to ask here
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2879 [17:51:06] <desperatehelpnee> when i start my pc (manjaro OS) i only see a black screen with a lighting underscore
2880 [17:51:09] <Boloyankee> desperatehelpnee, apt-get install w3m
2881 [17:51:10] <desperatehelpnee> what can i doo
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2883 [17:51:18] <desperatehelpnee> i need a solution quick
2884 [17:51:22] <desperatehelpnee> can somebody help me ?
2885 [17:51:28] <desperatehelpnee> i need for university in 30 min
2886 [17:51:29] <Boloyankee> desperatehelpnee, will give you a console browser
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2888 [17:51:43] <desperatehelpnee> i dont have time to learn how to use that
2889 [17:51:45] <Doo> desperatehelpnee, yes ?
2890 [17:51:45] <Doo> :p
2891 [17:51:51] <towo`> nḿanjaro os is not debian
2892 [17:51:59] <desperatehelpnee> read up
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2894 [17:52:25] <desperatehelpnee> my graphic interface dont start, i can only use console. what can i do ?
2895 [17:52:27] <Doo> was a troll since u highlighted me
2896 [17:52:30] <Doo> startx ?
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2898 [17:52:35] <desperatehelpnee> startx dont work
2899 [17:52:37] <desperatehelpnee> either
2900 [17:52:37] <towo`> and a blinking underscore is typical for not propper installed drivers
2901 [17:52:42] <towo`> but again
2902 [17:52:45] <Doo> dmesg | less
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2904 [17:52:57] <towo`> this is a debian channes and manjaro isn't debian for sure
2905 [17:52:58] <Doo> log is truth
2906 [17:53:13] <Doo> towo`, yeah but doesnt mean that we have to be selfish :D
2907 [17:53:29] <desperatehelpnee> cna u explain me easy what to do ?
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2909 [17:53:35] <desperatehelpnee> im not really an expert
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2911 [17:53:42] <Doo> don't install manjaro so :)
2912 [17:53:51] <Doo> manjaro and rolling distros are for grown ups
2913 [17:54:04] <Iridos> desperatehelpnee, we only support debian here.
2914 [17:54:13] <desperatehelpnee> you guys are assholes
2915 [17:54:17] <Doo> thx desperatehelpnee
2916 [17:54:19] <desperatehelpnee> im in desperate urgent
2917 [17:54:21] <Doo> that's nice of you
2918 [17:54:22] <desperatehelpnee> need of help
2919 [17:54:29] <Ankabout> I have a problem with Raspbian (which I believe is a debian distro right?). Any chance someone can help me here?
2920 [17:54:31] <Doo> and we are here to help you since you are insulting us :D
2921 [17:54:31] <desperatehelpnee> and u guys can only bitch out about formality
2922 [17:54:33] <Iridos> desperatehelpnee, cut our pay then
2923 [17:54:36] <Ankabout> Or am I in the wrong room?
2924 [17:54:39] <towo`> then ask in your distro channel
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2926 [17:54:45] <desperatehelpnee> i cant
2927 [17:54:51] <desperatehelpnee> i need to register to do so
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2929 [17:54:54] <Doo> so help urself <3
2930 [17:54:55] <jelly> desperatehelpnee: some of us can also offer paid support if you're in a rush.
2931 [17:55:06] <Doo> oh yeah jelly business time
2932 [17:55:09] <desperatehelpnee> doo are u mental retarded ?
2933 [17:55:11] <Boloyankee> desperatehelpnee, ctrl ur tone man
2934 [17:55:12] <jelly> say, $80/hr, 2 hours minimum
2935 [17:55:13] <Doo> both desperatehelpnee
2936 [17:55:15] <Doo> both
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2938 [17:55:33] <TomTomTosch> desperatehelpnee: read on the freenode greeting screen how to register. pls stop spamming and insulting people.
2939 [17:55:43] <Doo> but i still am less annoying than u can be with ur whining spam :')
2940 [17:55:59] <Doo> kisses
2941 [17:56:07] <desperatehelpnee> ok fck you guys. You are the worst fcking human being on this planet. Someone need help and u are onyl able to bitch out about rules.
2942 [17:56:07] <TomTomTosch> back to topic please.
2943 [17:56:13] <Doo> <3
2944 [17:56:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
2945 [17:56:15] *** jelly sets mode: +q *!*@151.48.2.221
2946 [17:56:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o jelly
2947 [17:56:22] <jelly> moving on...
2948 [17:56:26] <Doo> thx jelly :)
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2951 [17:56:44] <TomTomTosch> Ankabout: there is a #raspbian channel.
2952 [17:56:52] <Iridos> can't have been $160 desperate
2953 [17:56:56] <Ankabout> Ah now I see it. I misspelled it. Thanks!
2954 [17:57:25] <TomTomTosch> jelly: getting cheaper? it was 100$ an hour a few weeks ago :P
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2956 [17:57:38] <Iridos> TomTomTosch, student rebate applies :P
2957 [17:57:45] <Doo> insults cuts you prices i think
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2968 [18:02:14] <dionysus69> I just setup home server using kodibuntu (xfce ubuntu) and I figured that I don't know how to share folders on the network haha
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2971 [18:03:18] <dionysus69> I googled around and found smb vs nfs competition, which one should I go for? even though my main pc has debian there might be some windows clients needing to connect to the shared folders, does windows support nfs?
2972 [18:03:28] <TomTomTosch> !ubuntu
2973 [18:03:28] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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2975 [18:03:35] * peterrooney is baffled as to what channel this is
2976 [18:04:42] <TomTomTosch> it's the based-on-debian entrance hall. please go to the second door on the left labled #ubuntu.
2977 [18:04:42] <teraflops> dionysus69: use samba/nfs/ssh/upnp you may want to ask in #ubuntu or #whateverbuntu for further support
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2979 [18:04:59] <dionysus69> TomTomTosch: lol I am a debian user, if I learn how to share dirs properly the debian way I could apply them to other distros
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2983 [18:07:25] <peterrooney> dionysus69: cross posting is rude.
2984 [18:07:33] <jhutchins> dionysus69: If you want to install Debian and set up file sharing on that, we can help. You might learn enough to figure out the differences and get it done on Ubuntu.
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2990 [18:08:27] <dionysus69> peterrooney: I am forced to cross post after all I am sharing dirs on ubuntu
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2992 [18:08:31] <jhutchins> dionysus69: On the other hand, if you "fake" it by pretending you're doing it on Debian, you're likely to get stuck on one of those differences and end up frustrating everybody and wastin gour time.
2993 [18:08:32] <dionysus69> xubuntu*
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2996 [18:09:05] <dionysus69> jhutchins: all is good not gonna fake it ^.^
2997 [18:10:16] <teraflops> jhutchins: yeah that's the point, those words deserve a factoid
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3001 [18:11:16] <DHowett> On an upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie, will systemd prefer units or LSB init scripts? It seems like I'm still seeing a lot of init script chatter and init scripts in systemctl status
3002 [18:11:32] <DHowett> rpcbind is screwy, so it can't work with systemd-networkd atm. I reckon that would fix a lot of it
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3006 [18:14:17] <teraflops> DHowett: what's wrong with rpcbind and systemd-networkd?
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3014 [18:15:24] <tarik> Hi all
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3024 [18:18:23] <tarik> I've question, How can'I check if the password in /etc/shadow is strong, there is any way or script ???
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3029 [18:19:55] <JordiGH> Jesus, jwz's annoying warnings in xscreensaver are really annoying me.
3030 [18:20:04] <JordiGH> stfu, jwz, I *like* software from 2014.
3031 [18:20:13] <TomTomTosch> tarik: no way, it's hashed and salted.
3032 [18:20:22] <JordiGH> Is there an easy fix? Or a patch to make jwz stfu?
3033 [18:20:31] <Iridos> JordiGH, recompile it then
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3036 [18:20:37] <JordiGH> Iridos: Right, is there a patch?
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3039 [18:21:13] <TomTomTosch> #819703
3040 [18:21:15] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3041 [18:21:20] <Iridos> easiest is just an exit(0) replaced-url
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3043 [18:21:35] <TomTomTosch> JordiGH: the first report has a patch.
3044 [18:21:37] <DHowett> teraflops: dependency loop. There's an open bug for it, but I can't find it atm. rpcbind depends on network+network-online, which depend on sysinit, which depends on rpcbind
3045 [18:21:55] <DHowett> it seemingly breaks the chain by removing basic.target :P
3046 [18:22:02] <DHowett> (which is implicated in there somewhere)
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3048 [18:22:04] <teraflops> JordiGH: the mantainer requested xscreensaver to be dropped from debian repos, perhaps he is enraged
3049 [18:22:16] <teraflops> DHowett: oh
3050 [18:22:26] <DHowett> with lsb networking it doesn't complain (???)
3051 [18:22:55] <teraflops> DHowett: because nfs?
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3053 [18:23:08] <DHowett> yep. I haven't got nfs mounts in fstab, though, they're only on autofs
3054 [18:23:21] <DHowett> but yeah, it wants to fire up nfs early
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3063 [18:24:18] <JordiGH> TomTomTosch: oh god, I didn't want to read that thread.
3064 [18:24:26] <teraflops> DHowett: is it viable for you uninstalling for the sake of four upgrade and reinstalling later? also commenting out the related fstab entries?
3065 [18:24:32] <JordiGH> teraflops: jwz is a twit.
3066 [18:24:58] <teraflops> JordiGH: im not aware at what tweet is in this context sorry
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3068 [18:24:59] <TomTomTosch> JordiGH: "the first report has a patch"
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3070 [18:25:20] <JordiGH> teraflops: twit, not tweet.
3071 [18:25:31] <teraflops> yeah twit
3072 [18:25:35] <JordiGH> TomTomTosch: Yeah... but then I made the mistake of scrolling down.
3073 [18:25:48] <JordiGH> teraflops: An unpleasant person.
3074 [18:25:58] <Iridos> JordiGH, well, don't use his software, then :)
3075 [18:26:01] * JordiGH should know better than to read the bottom half of the internet.
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3077 [18:26:14] <teraflops> JordiGH: then do not use his sw I guess
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3079 [18:26:42] <TomTomTosch> you don't have to like him and you don't have to use his software.
3080 [18:26:44] <JordiGH> If jwz followed the advice you're giving me, he would have never forked Xemacs.
3081 [18:26:51] <neglesaks> hm, the gedit in D8 is rather ... minimalistic
3082 [18:27:02] <JordiGH> So, following his example, we "fork" xscreensaver and disable his annoying warning.
3083 [18:27:03] <DHowett> teraflops: the upgrade's done, actually. i'm just trying to figure out why boot seems to be taking orders of magnitude longer than it should
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3086 [18:27:28] <DHowett> the critical chain implicates networking, primarily, but there's a lot of LSB junk too
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3088 [18:27:40] <DHowett> anyway, off for now. It'll be a problem to solve later!
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3091 [18:28:06] <teraflops> DHowett: systemd-analyze blame , systemd-analyze plot > boot.png is a good start
3092 [18:28:13] <neglesaks> lol beware
3093 [18:28:15] <JordiGH> lol
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3097 [18:30:26] <JordiGH> Oh, wait, the package has already been patched on unstable to remove this warning.
3098 [18:30:34] <JordiGH> Great! I can just do a ssb.
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3102 [18:31:06] <Iridos> the package from unstable wouldn't show the warning anyway, though
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3104 [18:31:33] <JordiGH> Everyone wins! jwz gets his wish and I get my fork!
3105 [18:31:46] <markybob> jr
3106 [18:32:11] <markybob> Iridos: it's for when stretch becomes stable so this wont happen again
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3109 [18:32:33] <abrotman> it's been fixed
3110 [18:32:41] <Iridos> markybob, I know
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3141 [18:46:16] <BadCodSmell> If I want to manually install a .deb but still want it to go through normal apt style dependency management how can I accomplish this without building a repository?
3142 [18:46:19] <jmcnaught> JordiGH: the packages is also fixed in 5.30-1+deb8u2 in jessie-updates
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3193 [19:09:33] <Neo> I was curious if there was an easy way to add all available non-free firmware into my initramfs?
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3195 [19:10:01] <Neo> unless its all contained in the firmware.cpio.gz
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3204 [19:14:13] <Neo> actually, it may be easier to make a 'modifiable' live usb stick
3205 [19:14:20] <Neo> that's really my end goal here
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3247 [19:26:04] <tuple> How can I prevent the automatic creation of ~/Videos, ~/Documents, ~/Templates, ~/Pictures, ~/Music, etc? I edited ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs and commented out the entries I don't want, but when I rebooted, the lines were uncommented and the folders recreated.
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3251 [19:29:19] <cmtptr> tuple, change them all to "$HOME/"
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3253 [19:29:37] <cmtptr> or better yet, discover which program is creating them and open a bug against it
3254 [19:30:36] <tuple> ok thanks
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3257 [19:32:44] <teraflops> tuple: tried creating ~/.config/user-dirs.locale and then running xdg-user-dirs-update ?
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3263 [19:35:03] <teraflops> tuple: err I meant ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
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3268 [19:37:14] <teraflops> tuple: the locale one is for the preferred language/locales
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3271 [19:37:57] <module000> tuple: it's user-dirs.config
3272 [19:38:13] <gionnico> Hi! I'm not getting any audio output on front speakers, I'd expect duplicated audio on front/rear. Someone has got any hint how to work this out with pulse?
3273 [19:38:14] <tuple> teraflops: I'll edit it and try
3274 [19:38:19] <tuple> thanks!
3275 [19:38:21] <module000> tuple: the exact syntax escapes me, but `apropos user-dirs` and you'll see the config file syntax showing 'enabled=false', which will cause it not to regenerate those original settings
3276 [19:39:06] <module000> tuple: specifically...and pardon the link being for ubuntu, but this shows you the user-dirs.config syntax: replaced-url
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3287 [19:44:57] <teraflops> The problw
3288 [19:45:09] <teraflops> Ups wrong buffer
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3302 [19:51:57] <eeerasd> Hi
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3305 [19:52:44] <eeerasd> Venezuela is going to change timezone, how can I know if debian has an updated tzdata or if I need to do changes manually
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3309 [19:54:14] <teraflops> eeerasd: replaced-url
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3311 [19:55:12] <JordiGH> jmcnaught: Ah, good to know, thanks.
3312 [19:55:13] <brigo> impressive
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3319 [19:57:17] <eeerasd> teraflops, thx, so I must apply that diff and wait for debian to create the official .deb?
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3321 [19:59:31] <teraflops> eeerasd: I'm not sure if debian will do it by itself. if time arrives and no change then it ill require manual intervention I suppose
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3324 [20:00:20] <teraflops> will*
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3329 [20:03:32] <Ademan-laptop> For reasons I don't understand, eth0 periodically comes up with no ethernet cable plugged in, while connected to wifi. It ends up polluting my routes, and networking seems to break until I 'sudo ip link set eth0 down' I'm using NetworkManager and ifupdown is enabled I believe, it's completely default
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3331 [20:04:33] <Ademan-laptop> anyone know why eth0 might come up like that? nothing suspicious in dmesg, there's some avahi output in syslog though
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3335 [20:05:21] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
3336 [20:05:43] <Ademan-laptop> ah, actually avahi-autoipd seems to have gotten me some useful google results... unless someone knows off the top of their heads I'll continue researching
3337 [20:05:57] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: I'm not going to click ramdon links from you :P
3338 [20:06:29] <AlexLikeRock> teraflops, you must read it ;-)
3339 [20:07:02] <greycat> See, that's why I use a terminal browser for unsolicited IRC crap.
3340 [20:08:15] <greycat> Even if it turns out to be porn filth spam, it probably isn't *textual* porn filth spam, so I'm at least moderately safe.
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3346 [20:09:35] <teraflops> nah I just don t click :P
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3350 [20:10:09] <JordiGH> It's just Linus complaining about binary logging in systemd.
3351 [20:10:11] <jmcnaught> teraflops: lkml.org is the linux kernel mailing list. that link is Linus trolling about binary journals in systemd,
3352 [20:10:22] <teraflops> sometimes a url grabber powered bot helps a bit
3353 [20:10:30] <greycat> I'd consider it "commenting" rather than "trolling".
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3357 [20:11:16] <teraflops> jmcnaught: I know the domain it's just a joke with that user I already know
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3366 [20:14:44] <Ademan-laptop> OK so /etc/avahi/avahi-daemon.conf has a deny-interfaces value, which I can use to make avahi "ignore" eth0. Great, maybe. Except the man page doesn't explain what it means for avahi-daemon to "ignore" the interface... anyone happen to know?
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3371 [20:17:14] <jmcnaught> Ademan-laptop: do you sometimes use ethernet or almost never? If you never use it you could put an entry for it in /etc/network/interfaces and network manager will ignore it
3372 [20:18:23] <Ademan-laptop> jmcnaught: thanks. there's already an entry actually. NetworkManager doesn't appear to be the one raising eth0, I have tried making NetworkManager ignore it, and not ignore it.
3373 [20:19:00] <moozer> I want to built a binary debian package, so I clone the source package git tree: replaced-url
3374 [20:19:16] <Ademan-laptop> from my syslog entries like: Apr 27 11:09:07 SparkMandrill avahi-autoipd(eth0)[12421]: Callout BIND, address 169.254.12.173 on interface eth0
3375 [20:19:19] <moozer> And I get "no upstream tarball found"
3376 [20:19:30] <Ademan-laptop> I think avahi-autoipd may be the culprit
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3378 [20:19:38] <moozer> how do you use the git repos?
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3380 [20:19:55] <jmcnaught> Ademan-laptop: what does the entry in interfaces say? is it auto?
3381 [20:20:31] <Ademan-laptop> that deny-interfaces in avahi-autoipd.conf value *seems* to have worked, I don't know enough about avahi to know if I've now broken something else, but I think not
3382 [20:20:37] <Ademan-laptop> jmcnaught: iirc yes, one moment
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3384 [20:21:20] <Ademan-laptop> "iface eth0 inet dhcp" and "iface eth0 inet auto"
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3386 [20:21:34] <Ademan-laptop> inet6 auto*
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3392 [20:22:56] <jmcnaught> Ademan-laptop: i meant do you have an "auto eth0" line? also does /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf say "managed=false" ?
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3394 [20:23:17] <Ademan-laptop> jmcnaught: I've tried both values in NetworkManager.conf
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3396 [20:23:24] <Ademan-laptop> both true and false*
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3403 [20:24:59] <Ademan-laptop> jmcnaught: replaced-url
3404 [20:25:20] <Ademan-laptop> /etc/network/interfaces.d is empty
3405 [20:25:45] <jmcnaught> adapter: false means "NetworkManager doesn't manage interfaces defined in /e/n/interfaces" and is the default
3406 [20:25:55] <Ademan-laptop> right
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3409 [20:26:19] <Ademan-laptop> the problem occurred with both values
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3411 [20:26:41] <Ademan-laptop> that's why I assume NetworkManager wasn't the one raising eth0
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3413 [20:27:39] <jmcnaught> Ademan-laptop: i also don't know why eth0 is getting raised, maybe it's got a buggy driver that is falsely detecting link? have you tried commenting out the "allow-hotplug eth0" line?
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