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1 [00:00:09] <brigo> pointless, with a dns server
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5 [00:01:11] <teraflops> pointless: trasferring the domain to a dns server where you create dns records: A, AAA, etc.
6 [00:01:28] <Aorious> brigo: Yh thats what im in low. When installing Debian, I set var to be its own partition of 5GB. Right clicking the folder in gnome shows its 'totalling 4.1 GB (some contents unreadable)'. /var/logs is totalling 3.8 GB (some contents unreadable).
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16 [00:02:24] <brigo> Aorious, contents unreadable should be becuase your user has a lack of permissions.
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18 [00:02:29] <blizzow> Goddamnit, the NRPE package needs fixing. The nrpe config file has a directive to allow arguments but it's unusable because the agent is compiled to not allow arguments.
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25 [00:02:48] <brigo> Anyway, check /var/log for the bigger files
26 [00:02:59] <Aorious> ok
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32 [00:03:07] <brigo> blizzow, in jessie?
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37 [00:03:47] <Aorious> birgo, the command shows file, sorted by file size, 40 biggest?
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42 [00:04:42] <Aorious> Nvm, read the man page.
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61 [00:05:45] <blizzow> brigo: yes. and one of the maintainers is insistent that the feature is a security hole so it forces a bunch of nagios users to recompile the nrpe agent.
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66 [00:06:33] <Iridos> Aorious, you can also use ncdu /var (cli) or gdmap (graphical)
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69 [00:06:47] <teraflops> ncdu <3
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72 [00:07:16] <jmcnaught> Aorious: also if your user is a member of the "adm" group it will be able to read files in /var/log without being root
73 [00:07:49] <brigo> ncdu, new for me.
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77 [00:08:58] <Iridos> Stummi, apropos... it was new for me, too, thanks :D
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110 [00:22:30] <Aorious> Is it possiable for var to run out of space? What would happen?
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113 [00:22:58] <dondon> apropos, your name is not spelled as you sound. why must u pain me with your french?
114 [00:23:14] <andril> hello
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126 [00:28:07] <Aorious> Iridos: jmcnaught: Ok, thanks
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134 [00:30:05] <Aorious> Browser is causing the problem, Ill be back.
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151 [00:38:31] <Aorious> Ok, what I found out is that messages, syslog and user.log are 3.4GB in total. Syslog is constantly being spammed by a error from icewealse. Im going to reinstall it.
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162 [00:43:46] <jmcnaught> Aorious: what were the errors? the various task-*-desktop metapackages depend on iceweasel so removing it will also remove those which you may or may not care about. Problems with Iceweasel are probably related to a user's profile
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184 [00:54:46] <Aorious> jmcnaught: replaced-url
185 [00:54:56] <pointless> does it take any particular skillz to install a SAFE email server?
186 [00:55:11] <pointless> no spam intention
187 [00:56:06] * pointless was told there WAS skills to this, but suspect tis was a lie
188 [00:56:18] <pointless> or even an exxaguration
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190 [00:56:37] <jmcnaught> Aorious: iceweasel has a "restart with add-ons disabled" option in its help menu and also available at "about:support"
191 [00:57:06] <teraflops> pointless: reading comprehension and patience if it's the first time
192 [00:57:09] <jmcnaught> pointless: running an email server does require a fair bit of knowledge and skill
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194 [00:57:50] <pointless> I see
195 [00:58:00] <pointless> thx
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198 [00:58:30] <pointless> thx, teraflops and jmcnaught
199 [00:58:32] <teraflops> np
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201 [00:58:58] <teraflops> pointless: it's a good exercise if you have the time for doing it though
202 [00:59:20] <pointless> I have time and patience
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204 [00:59:35] <pointless> and I like exersises
205 [00:59:37] <pointless> :P
206 [00:59:37] <teraflops> heh
207 [01:00:04] <pointless> -s +c
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211 [01:00:40] <markybob> pointless: aren't you the one that asked about dns/domains earlier?
212 [01:00:49] <pointless> I was
213 [01:00:57] <markybob> pointless: you need to have that concept down working before you start working on email
214 [01:00:59] <pointless> I am
215 [01:01:07] <pointless> I am on itg
216 [01:01:09] <pointless> it*
217 [01:01:12] <pointless> :P
218 [01:01:15] <pointless> nearly there
219 [01:01:17] <pointless> I guess
220 [01:01:18] <jmcnaught> pointless: i recommend reading the rfc5321 to understand how SMTP works
221 [01:01:19] <pointless> .
222 [01:01:25] <pointless> I see
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224 [01:01:32] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell pointless about enter
225 [01:01:37] <Aorious> jmcnaught: Excellent, but I will try that out later. The more pressing issue is these massive files (messages, user.log and syslog - at 3.4GB out of my 5GB /var/). Is it safe delete these, if can even delete them while the system it running?
226 [01:01:38] <pointless> lol
227 [01:01:41] <pointless> ah
228 [01:01:48] <TomTomTosch> pointless: every time you press enter a kitten dies.
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230 [01:01:58] <pointless> no <enter> here?
231 [01:02:08] <jmcnaught> pointless: it's also pretty obnoxious and makes you hard to follow when other people are talking
232 [01:02:10] <pointless> that is a lie
233 [01:02:22] <dimitry7> hey guys, I'm having this error login with ssh: replaced-url
234 [01:02:23] <pointless> very well
235 [01:02:28] <pointless> I am outta here - for now
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238 [01:02:39] <dimitry7> what's wrong? permissions and key are correct
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240 [01:03:28] <jmcnaught> Aorious: it's safe to delete the old logs that have been rotated or compressed. The current logs you might want to leave in place, or at least make sure that they exist with the same user:group and permissions, and stop their services while you are deleting them.
241 [01:03:29] <catsup> what is the best way to map from a major/minor pair to a device node?
242 [01:04:56] <catsup> i.e., i have the output of 'dmsetup table' which looks like '43:1', i know i can 'ls -l /dev|grep "43, * 1 "' but i am wondering what is the best alternative
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246 [01:06:19] <Pierrou> Hi ! I'm trying to install Subversion with Apache but i've a 404 error on domain/svn :/
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249 [01:07:10] <catsup> oh, it's just /dev/block/43:1 !
250 [01:07:22] <catsup> i love this new udev shit
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254 [01:07:40] <jmcnaught> dimitry7: are you able to check the logs on the server?
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257 [01:08:22] <TomTomTosch> dimitry7: where did you put the key on the server?
258 [01:08:35] <jml2> dimitry7, ssh agent
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260 [01:09:04] <Aorious> jmcnaught: Okay, I understand I must disable the logging service to modify these logs, and that these file must exist there with cetain perms. I guess it would be safe to modify the file instead. Alternatively, it is possible to force a rotation/compression (seems like this would be the safest/easiest)?
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263 [01:10:08] <markybob> Aorious: just backup the .1 and .gz files, then delete those. leave the rest.
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267 [01:10:52] <Aorious> markybob, Forgot that I can just backup the file. xD Thanks!
268 [01:11:23] <dimitry7> jmcnaught, solution: replaced-url
269 [01:11:25] <dimitry7> hehe, thanks"!
270 [01:11:38] <dimitry7> jml2, yes :)
271 [01:11:40] <dimitry7> thanks!!
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275 [01:12:59] <jml2> yw
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287 [01:18:46] <sander^home> Is hosting jboss on debian painfree when it comes to upgrading?
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322 [01:39:37] <jml2> sander^home, maybe.
323 [01:39:47] <jml2> :)
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329 [01:42:29] <flyinprogrammer> i mean it's jboss though... is it really ever painfree ?
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342 [01:50:08] <acu> hello - sorry for most strange question - is here anyone speaking Polish ? - I know is offtopic -but do not know where to ask ?
343 [01:50:54] <dvs> !pl
344 [01:50:54] <dpkg> Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
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346 [01:51:17] <acu> thanks dvs
347 [01:51:24] <dvs> np
348 [01:53:33] <acu> dvs: do you speak Polish ?
349 [01:54:33] <dvs> nope
350 [01:55:08] <armftworno> hello everyone i need information for armv7 device with armhf netinstall iso
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359 [02:00:35] <armftworno> if its not a suported port device in armhf is impossible to install right ?
360 [02:02:28] <zykotick9> armftworno: note, there is a #debian-arm channel of OFTC...
361 [02:02:55] <zykotick9> s/of/on/
362 [02:03:23] <armftworno> i didnt saw this channel sorry
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367 [02:04:42] <armftworno> thanks zykotick9
368 [02:04:55] <jmcnaught> armftworno: the armhf install manual also has some information about what's supported
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372 [02:06:32] <sander^home> flyinprogrammer: Do you have any stories to share about jboss issues?
373 [02:06:35] <sander^home> ;)
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377 [02:07:54] <flyinprogrammer> @sander^home once upon a time I was in charge of a deployment/upgrade of a piece of tax software. according to our startup scripts the deployment of the war should not have caused the war to be hot deployed.... it did anyways... needless to say that was a fun time
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379 [02:08:28] <flyinprogrammer> not really jboss' fault, all software is gross
380 [02:08:41] <arahael> flyinprogrammer: the deployment of the war... caused the ... deployment of the war?
381 [02:10:09] <arahael> flyinprogrammer: oh, sorry. was a strange sentence, especially when one forgets that tomcat has "war" files. And one was in a channel talking about the civil war (american) being motivated by finances.
382 [02:10:11] <flyinprogrammer> arahael: i realize this sounds silly. if you deploy a war file to a directory under jboss' control, and jboss is configured to hot deploy - it will hot swap the war, aka auto deploy it
383 [02:10:21] <flyinprogrammer> replaced-url
384 [02:10:33] <flyinprogrammer> basically it was critical this piece of software not hot-deploy
385 [02:10:37] <flyinprogrammer> it hot-deployed
386 [02:10:52] <flyinprogrammer> i brewed a pot of coffee and scheduled a vacation
387 [02:11:11] <cafuego> It shouldn't really be surprising that victims get made with a file called war ;-)
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390 [02:11:21] <arahael> flyinprogrammer: but you still *deployed* it. i guess hot deployment is somehow different.
391 [02:11:44] <arahael> cafuego: indeed.
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394 [02:12:16] <flyinprogrammer> arahael: basically there's a dir called 'wars' and the idea was we'd put the war file there, and the orchestrate bouncing the jboss servers
395 [02:12:58] <flyinprogrammer> instead of humans doing the orchestration bit, jboss said 'oh hey, let me do that for you buddy' and that brought everything down, hard, and sad :(
396 [02:13:10] <arahael> flyinprogrammer: there is something about your use of the term "deploy" hat i'm not quite gettjng.
397 [02:14:04] <flyinprogrammer> so i copied a war file to 'wars' -- jboss then 'deployed' the war file by loading it and switching the traffic from the old version of the war to the new version
398 [02:14:56] <flyinprogrammer> jboss was suppose to not do that because we disabled the hot-deploy functionality so that we could carefully orchestrate restarting jboss with the new versions of the software
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400 [02:15:26] <arahael> flyinprogrammer: so you "deployed" the war, intending it NOT to be deployed. jbos hen deployed it (due to being cknfigured to hot deploy it), which was bad because it deployed it too soon. gotcha.
401 [02:15:38] <flyinprogrammer> exactly
402 [02:15:49] <flyinprogrammer> sorry for overloading the word deploy
403 [02:16:02] <flyinprogrammer> nothing about jboss is easy to explain i'm afraid :(
404 [02:16:22] <arahael> flyinprogrammer: i actually kind of understood it, but excessive overloading is an issue i have.
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413 [02:27:02] <sander^home> flyinprogrammer: WHats the diffrence between a hot deploy and a normal deploy?
414 [02:27:19] <sander^home> save for later deploy?
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419 [02:27:35] <sander^home> WHy should I need that?
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423 [02:29:27] <flyinprogrammer> sander^home: it depends on the version of jboss you're using - and i'm very far from being an expert
424 [02:29:43] <flyinprogrammer> replaced-url
425 [02:30:30] <flyinprogrammer> replaced-url
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428 [02:31:59] <flyinprogrammer> basically you can hot-deploy jsp's and classes only sometimes get reloaded, there's also the business of when jboss sees a new war file will it get exploded
429 [02:32:10] <flyinprogrammer> will/when will it be exploded
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431 [02:32:33] <flyinprogrammer> definitely play around with different scenarios and get comfortable with it before going to production
432 [02:32:44] <flyinprogrammer> or just use jetty embedded and far jars
433 [02:32:48] <flyinprogrammer> *fat jars
434 [02:32:53] <flyinprogrammer> and be a cool kid
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438 [02:35:13] <sander^home> sure.. I'll write a proper RFC before I touch production:)
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440 [02:36:26] <flyinprogrammer> @sander^home you kid but the jboss community would appreciate it
441 [02:36:43] <flyinprogrammer> because this area seems to change version to version
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462 [02:49:22] <sander^home> flyinprogrammer: Understand.
463 [02:51:30] <sander^home> Or maybe I should just migrate everything to google appengine;-P
464 [02:51:54] <sander^home> I guess there is compatibilitu issues
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466 [02:53:57] <fred1807> I see plymouht on my system, (lite commnd line only, no desktop), I dont use boot image. is it okay to remove apt-get remove plymouth ?
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477 [02:58:59] <zykotick9> fred1807: plymouth is NOT a requirement to boot debian...
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479 [02:59:45] <fred1807> zykotick9: it is only related to fancy boot screens and nothing else, right?
480 [02:59:59] <zykotick9> ya, eye-candy...
481 [03:01:01] * zykotick9 did think the animated debian-squeeze plymouth screen was "kinda neat"... once or twice
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495 [03:05:31] <zykotick9> wow... memory can be so "wrong" sometimes ;) replaced-url
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499 [03:07:41] <awwal> so no idea on how to check for available upgrades via terminal as regular user?
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501 [03:08:18] <awwal> apt list --upgradeable / aptitude search '~U' wont wdo the job
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510 [03:11:36] <sander^home> flyinprogrammer: Do you know about an rfc for older versions of jboss?
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515 [03:12:50] <jmcnaught> awwal: how does "apt list --upgradable" not do the job? seems to work for me.
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518 [03:14:19] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: my test as user seemed to work to... i just wish i had an update to stable...
519 [03:14:50] <jmcnaught> "aptitude search ~U" also works for a regular user on my outdated container i'm using to test
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524 [03:15:56] <awwal> jmcnaught, so it doesn't list upgradable pkgs here as regular user and even as root; then I log in as root and pt-get update && apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade and pkgs are upgraded
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526 [03:16:20] <awwal> hm
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528 [03:17:31] <jmcnaught> awwal: both of those commands will only show stuff that can be upgraded for root/non-root if the indexes have been updated with "apt/apt-get/aptitude update"
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533 [03:18:53] <jmcnaught> awwal: maybe a cron job that updates the indexes, or unattend-upgrades i think has a "download only" feature
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536 [03:19:29] <awwal> jmcnaught, so if the indexes aren't updated previously (as root) apt list --upgradeable /aptitude search '~U' will not work you mean?
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538 [03:20:19] <awwal> I always clean the cache (apt-get clean/autoclean) after upgrades; so that maybe be what makes those command not working; ok
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540 [03:20:51] <awwal> jmcnaught, have I understood?
541 [03:20:53] <awwal> :D
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544 [03:22:49] <miesco> Hi. When I run mpd as user, I get "socket: Failed to bind to '127.0.0.1:6600': Address already in use". I have looked here, replaced-url
545 [03:22:50] <judd> Bug replaced-url
546 [03:23:53] <miesco> Oh, I typed `service mpd stop` and now it works.
547 [03:24:09] <miesco> Do I have to do this on every boot?
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550 [03:27:34] <awwal> zykotick9, missing upgrade with stable?
551 [03:27:37] <awwal> :D
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553 [03:27:50] <miesco> Hmm. I guess i'll find out.
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555 [03:27:53] <awwal> upgrades ^
556 [03:29:03] <zykotick9> awwal: this was a one-off situation ;) typically i love debian's security, and how seldom i actually have to get updates for stable...
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560 [03:30:48] <awwal> :)
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575 [03:40:11] <jmcnaught> awwal: what "apt-get clean" does is clear out the cached .deb files from /var/cache/apt/archives. If you want to be able to see if there are upgrades available, you need to update the indexes with "apt-get update" or an equivalent. Makes sense?
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580 [03:42:16] <awwal> jmcnaught, yes! I understood. I was thinking about what you said in your previous message, and that's all logical. Thanks
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585 [03:43:26] <jmcnaught> awwal: personally i'm not a fan of upgrading packages automatically, in case there's problems i'd rather they happen while i'm looking. but updating this lists automatically would be safe
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588 [03:44:46] <awwal> jmcnaught, I almost care about security updates regarding my jessie machine
589 [03:46:08] <awwal> I havent heard before about 'unattended-upgrades' pkg; installing...
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594 [03:47:06] <markybob> awwal: replaced-url
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596 [03:47:24] <awwal> markybob, thanks :)
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600 [03:49:44] <zykotick9> i only look after 3 machines... but i've never really trusted "automatic-updates"... i want to know what was just installed, _if_ things go sideways. luckily, with debian stable, that's never actually happened/been required ;)
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602 [03:50:57] <jmcnaught> yeah it's pretty rare for debian stable upgrades to mess up. third party repos are another story
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604 [03:51:01] <somiaj> I think you can configure unattneded-upgrades to email your the apt-listchanges after each upgrade.
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606 [03:51:45] <somiaj> but for some reason I think there was an issue in stable (with exim) that required some manual intervetion during the upgrade, though maybe unattended upgrades just sends apt-get a -Y to say yess to everything
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612 [03:56:08] <jmcnaught> yeah it's pretty configurable, you can also limit it to just security updates, or only from main, or only certain days of the week. i still prefer to do it manually when i get an email from debian-security-announce but i also don't manage very many systems
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630 [04:09:17] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: "third party repos are another story"... even "2nd" party repos: jessie-backports and m.d.n introduce "some" issues... on a test system, after installing firefox, i couldn't install the gnome main-metapackage without breakage :(
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634 [04:11:05] <somiaj> yea jessie-backports or m.d.o sometimes have their own versions of libaries which can interfer
635 [04:11:15] <jmcnaught> zykotick9: interesting. i installed firefox-esr from mozilla.d.n, but didn't remove the iceweasel package. does the firefox package conflict with iceweasel or something?
636 [04:11:42] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: i think it's more in line with somiaj library theory...
637 [04:11:47] <somiaj> also with how they are pinned, it is sometimes best to install the version from jessie, then install the version from jessie-backports (so when you add -t jessie-backports the higher pinning will not pull in libaries from jessie-backports unless they are needed)
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641 [04:12:30] <somiaj> but it is totally possible due to how the pinning works to make things uninstallable after installing a package from jessie-backports (I had that issue on an install recnetally too)
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644 [04:12:51] <somiaj> it was easily fixed by installing the correct libary that it couldn't resolv.
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647 [04:14:19] <zykotick9> somiaj: i actually just redid the install order... i installed gnome, then install firefox without issue... it was just a "having fun" install, so i didn't really care about it. it was interesting that backports and m.d.n can have that effect on everything... thanks for the explanation.
648 [04:15:03] <somiaj> zykotick9: the issue is something with the >= depends, but while jessie-backports is pinned at 999, when apt needs to install a new libary it will prefer the one from jessie-backports (even if it is not needed)
649 [04:15:18] * zykotick9 tried gnome/kde/xfce/lxde for the first time in a long time... he's still using dwm ;)
650 [04:15:26] <somiaj> so you could probabaly also install firefox first from jessie, then from jessie-backports.
651 [04:15:31] <somiaj> zykotick9: fvwm here
652 [04:15:44] <jmcnaught> zykotick9: still sounds kinda strange to me unless you also removed the iceweasel package
653 [04:15:47] <zykotick9> somiaj: i thought "those that understood pinning, know not to use it" ;)
654 [04:16:21] <somiaj> zykotick9: jessie-backports is pinned at 1 unless you add a -t jessie-backports to your install line (which is what you need to do when you install stuff from jessie-backports) and all that does is pin it at 999
655 [04:16:39] <zykotick9> jmcnaught: it was starting from a netinst with nothing installed, then i install a couple WMs, then firefox to test it... and after that, i couldn't install gnome...
656 [04:16:56] <somiaj> zykotick9: so the issue is during the time you are installing from jessie-backports it has a choice, install libary from jessie, or isntall it from jessie-backports and the pinning makes the choice jessie-backports (even if the jessie libary would be better)
657 [04:17:09] <somiaj> zykotick9: and since jessie-backports works though pinning you can't really avoid that (afiak)
658 [04:17:43] <somiaj> but if the libary was already installed from jessie it wouldn't upgrade it (unless needed)
659 [04:17:50] <somiaj> hence the install from jessie first
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669 [04:24:53] <zykotick9> somiaj: sorry just curious, are you a dd or dm? <- it's just out of interest, there is NO followup question!
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679 [04:31:17] <franksalive> kodi questions here??
680 [04:31:40] <jmcnaught> franksalive: i meant #kodi or #kodi-linux :)
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682 [04:32:08] <franksalive> jmcnaught, LOL sorry
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758 [05:24:41] <gry> 13:21 [PatienceZero] GOT WINNER? MentalityFAIL
759 [05:24:44] <gry> PatienceZero, ?
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761 [05:25:16] <gry> 13:25 [PatienceZero] GOT WINNER? NIET NIET SOVIET
762 [05:25:23] <gry> PatienceZero, do you need help with debian related?
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764 [05:26:07] <PatienceZero> gry: I do not know what your problem is, but please stop hilighting me in this channel.
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767 [05:26:51] <gry> PatienceZero: do you have a debian related problem? it's the only channel we share, and you're messaging me, so it would seem you have a question or something to say
768 [05:26:57] <gry> 13:26 [PatienceZero] GOT WINNER? WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER.
769 [05:26:58] <gry> and this stuff
770 [05:27:07] <gry> you can just talk here
771 [05:27:08] <PatienceZero> I asked you nicely. You are now ignored.
772 [05:27:54] <gry> then just don't message me, ask other people or something
773 [05:28:14] <gry> 13:28 [PatienceZero] GOT WINNER?
774 [05:28:16] <gry> I said no
775 [05:28:52] <gry> I don't know what your thing is. it's a channel about debian, and debian doesn't have 'winners'
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777 [05:29:36] <gry> 13:29 [PatienceZero] GOT WINNER?
778 [05:29:41] <gry> it's like you're deaf or something
779 [05:29:56] <markybob> gry: now you're the one spamming. please stop.
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781 [05:30:25] <gry> markybob: she's flooding me in msg with this. I don't know why. if she doesn't have debian business and is just annoying people, can it be fixed?
782 [05:30:42] <markybob> gry: you can /msg dpkg ops if you have a problem. no need to flood in here
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784 [05:31:18] <gry> I was just asking because confused users often msg. if you think it's unrelated I'll forward these things to another channel
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786 [05:32:57] <gry> PatienceZero: if you ignored me, stop messaging me, please
787 [05:34:15] <gry> PatienceZero: "/msg bots NOT people" in topic fyi
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789 [05:35:10] <markybob> gry: now you're getting on my /ignore. i don't know why you think talking to seem that has you on ignore will accomplish anything since they cant see you. you're just annoying us
790 [05:35:20] <jmcnaught> gry: perhaps if you're being harassed by someone you can seek remedy in #freenode but spamming this channel is not going ot help
791 [05:35:29] <gry> it's ok I'm going to stop now, sorry
792 [05:35:51] <gry> I don't know what this user is doing, she/he seems confused
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795 [05:37:47] <somiaj> zykotick9: just a hobbiest. I run sid as my desktop os and on my work machines.
796 [05:38:10] <somiaj> zykotick9: well jessie on work machine, sid on my play desktop.
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819 [05:57:49] <cwong_on_irc> so wierd… i am doing a curl -L replaced-url
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821 [05:59:46] <dax> that — looks highly suspicious
822 [05:59:51] <phy1729> don't do that
823 [06:00:07] <dax> also, yes, curl | bash is a terrible idea
824 [06:00:09] <dax> but still
825 [06:00:10] <phy1729> cwong_on_irc: replaced-url
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830 [06:02:41] <cwong_on_irc> that deployscript is mine. so i am ok with it though
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832 [06:02:56] <dax> perhaps the — should be -- ?
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834 [06:03:33] <cwong_on_irc> ya. its --
835 [06:03:34] <elky> if you copied it from a wordpress, then it'd be mangled like that
836 [06:03:55] <elky> (also many other things but 99% of the time it's wordpress)
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860 [06:28:13] <gry> cwong_on_irc, where is that copied from?
861 [06:28:33] <gry> or it's already -- and it still doesn't work?
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1034 [08:29:18] <xok> hello all I am having an issue on the testing system....
1035 [08:29:57] <xok> i did a dist-upgrade last night and it does not start the system now....
1036 [08:30:42] <xok> i tried logging in a recovery mode and to start a gdm manually bit it alerts some errors...
1037 [08:31:17] <xok> the upgrade was done from wheezy to the testing...
1038 [08:33:17] <jmcnaught> xok: upgrading from wheezy directly to stretch isn't supported, it's basically like skipping a major release at this point. you could try putting those errors on replaced-url
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1047 [08:41:55] <xok> the system is missing netwotk I will take a screenshot drom mobile and upload it to imgur is that ok?...
1048 [08:43:24] <jmcnaught> xok: i guess, but it might be fairly difficult to fix. why didn't you upgrade to jessie the current stable release?
1049 [08:44:13] <xok> actually I madea mistake, I puted testing in the sources.list
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1059 [08:46:49] <xok> oh somethings wrong...
1060 [08:47:02] <xok> the sustem is still on the wheezy...
1061 [08:47:30] <xok> i just checked /etc/debian_version and it said 7.9
1062 [08:47:51] <xok> lsb_release too says wheezy
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1065 [08:48:25] <jmcnaught> xok: it's very likely that the system didn't completely upgrade and is some frankendebian hybrid of oldstable and testing
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1068 [08:48:57] <xok> yeah probably....:-|
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1071 [08:49:12] <xok> what are the chances to fix it?...
1072 [08:49:33] <jmcnaught> xok: what Installed version do you get from "apt-cache policy libc6" ?
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1076 [08:52:22] <xok> replaced-url
1077 [08:52:28] <xok> this is it....
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1082 [08:54:54] <jmcnaught> xok: that's the libc6 from testing. it also looks like you still have wheezy entries in your sources.list. Honestly I would consider doing a backup of your files and installing a fresh Jessie system, will probably take less time and effort than trying to fix this mess
1083 [08:55:26] <xok> yeah thats what I thought too...
1084 [08:55:39] <xok> thanks for the help...
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1087 [08:56:16] <jmcnaught> xok: next time you do a major release upgrade the release notes have detailed and easy to follow upgrade instructions
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1089 [08:57:06] <xok> yeah I will try to be more carefull next time...
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1092 [08:58:55] <slax0r> yeah, when doing something like that it's not bad if you double check everything before you actually do the upgrade :)
1093 [08:59:04] <slax0r> I did one not long ago, and it was a breeeze
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1097 [09:01:27] <xok> the upgrade was not planned it was an accident...:-D
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1100 [09:02:34] <slax0r> your finger slipped and it typed dist-upgrade? :P
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1103 [09:02:38] <jmcnaught> xok: what were you trying to do?
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1105 [09:03:32] <xok> I was trying to install an application which needed a newer version of libc...
1106 [09:03:57] <xok> after several hours I did a dist-upgrafe...
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1112 [09:07:21] <jmcnaught> xok: the libc6 stays the same for the entire lifespan of a Debian stable release. You might have been able to safely run the application in a chroot, but upgrading to Jessie probably would have been the best option (following the instructiosn in the release notes of course)
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1114 [09:08:13] <xok> yeah, I did a mistake I was tired...
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1123 [09:13:49] <arahael> xok: Even better would be to have setup a virtual machine and do the stuffing about in there - you can easily blow away the snapshot and try again.
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1130 [09:14:21] <arahael> Though... I note that I don't do that for my personal systems. :/
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1187 [09:39:53] <aliouii_> hi all, why in debian some package are always related : some version of db server work with some version of extension package. so i can install older version of extension with the newest version of server or the inverse. is it some sort of generals rule of how debian repo work or am i in specific situation ??
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1191 [09:40:37] <somiaj> aliouii_: debian releases frozen systems and all binary packages are built for the version avaialbe on that paticular release.
1192 [09:41:05] <somiaj> aliouii_: using packages from previous releases (or testing/unstable releases) can cause problems due to how binary packages are linked with the libaries when they are compiled.
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1196 [09:42:05] <somiaj> aliouii_: if you want to install a version of one package in another version of debian it is best to compile the package from source and build it for that paticular version (and this is sometimes not possible due to version changes)
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1198 [09:43:57] <aliouii_> ok thanks
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1252 [10:11:36] <MeanEYE> Okay folks I really need help with this shit AMD calls Radeon 56xx.
1253 [10:11:44] <MeanEYE> It's a laptop GPU, so it's extra kind of shit.
1254 [10:11:57] <MeanEYE> fglrx driver is not available in testing and pretty much anything else doesn't work.
1255 [10:12:03] <MeanEYE> Can someone suggest a sane solution.
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1264 [10:16:11] <babilen> MeanEYE: Well, IMHO the sensible thing to do would be to track testing, while still keeping unstable in your sources.list at this point in the release cycle. That enables the packaging system to come up with sensible solutions in the light on transitions or package removals.
1265 [10:16:15] <babilen> dpkg: tum
1266 [10:16:15] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution.
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1270 [10:16:43] <babilen> MeanEYE: I'd also like to note that testing (and unstable) are being supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net rather than this channel
1271 [10:17:00] <MeanEYE> I know I know. I get told that every time.
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1274 [10:18:17] <MeanEYE> For the amount of times I've been told that, I am yet to receive support there once. Just few people and no one talking.
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1316 [10:35:21] <donnoc> Hello my friends. I am trying to install de_DE.UTF-8 on debian, but local-gen only generates en_US even de_DE should be installed
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1321 [10:36:25] <winsen1> Hi all
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1324 [10:36:47] <donnoc> h winsen1
1325 [10:37:34] <winsen1> Do I need to clean temp...etc on debian to make my system faster?
1326 [10:37:51] <jelly> dpkg, tell donnoc about locales
1327 [10:37:59] <colo-work> donnoc, does `grep -Ev '^#|^$' /etc/locale.gen` list your desired locales?
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1329 [10:38:56] <donnoc> colo-work: yes and there is only en_US. but in 'locale -a' there is also german
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1331 [10:39:22] <donnoc> colo-work: oh no, wait
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1333 [10:39:44] <donnoc> colo-work: that was somewhere else
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1340 [10:42:02] <donnoc> colo-work: there was a coment an german, thank you
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1357 [10:48:48] <colo-work> donnoc, you're welcome
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1359 [10:49:55] <winsen> colo-work: hi, how to keep my system clean and faster on debian or on linux in general?
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1361 [10:51:14] <colo-work> winsen, /tmp will be cleaned automatically after a while (if you ever reboot). typically, a GNU/Linux system doesn't require you to look very much after it. in case of Debian, keep the third-party packages and repositories to an abolsute minimum, and you will be fine.
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1365 [10:52:51] <winsen> colo-work: thank for answering, what do you mean by "keep the third-party packages and repositories to an abolsute minimum"?
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1367 [10:53:31] <thnee> After upgrading to latest chrome the other day, youtube videos stopped working, any tips? (Jessie)
1368 [10:53:36] <aZz7eCh> online accounts in jessie stable .. should enabling 'documents' get me any 'access' to my actual google docs/documents?
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1370 [10:53:41] <colo-work> winsen, try to make do with what Debian offers in its repositories.
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1374 [10:55:21] <winsen> colo-work: do you mean if I change/adding lines from other sources than debian...or?
1375 [10:55:33] <colo-work> basially, yes.
1376 [10:55:37] <colo-work> basically*
1377 [10:55:46] <winsen> ok
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1382 [10:56:53] <winsen> colo-work: thanks, sometimes it's very slow, I wanted to know...
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1386 [10:58:20] <winsen> bbl
1387 [10:58:25] <winsen> colo-work: thanks again, have a great day all
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1390 [10:59:13] <colo-work> you too :)
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1458 [11:39:37] <Iridos> I just now see that "less" is supposed to show unicode if your locale settings have utf-8 in it... or if you set LESSCHARSET ( replaced-url
1459 [11:39:52] <Iridos> the one on jessie only does it if I run it as less -r
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1463 [11:41:05] <Iridos> but even exporting LESSCHARSET I only get escapes
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1467 [11:43:40] <Iridos> maybe it's replaced-url
1468 [11:43:41] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1485 [11:47:57] <[Brain]> can i install mysql 5.6 on debian 8.4? it seems the default is STILL 5.5...
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1490 [11:48:43] <Iridos> versions never change in debian stable... there are only new versions with a new release (that's why it's called "stable", you won't get new bugs with new versions)
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1492 [11:49:20] <Iridos> judd, versions mysql-server
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1494 [11:49:20] <judd> Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.1.73-1; squeeze: 5.1.73-1; squeeze-security-lts: 5.1.73-1+deb6u1; squeeze-security-lts: 5.5.47-0+deb6u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; jessie-security: 5.5.47-0+deb8u1; jessie: 5.5.47-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.30-1; stretch: 5.6.30-1
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1496 [11:49:29] <arahael> [Brain]: when was debian 8 released? when was mysql released? more significantly, what license is it under now?
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1499 [11:50:41] <arahael> [Brain]: is debian even allowed to compile and manage mysql anymore? who owns it?
1500 [11:51:02] <Iridos> arahael, obviously it is, else it wouldn't be there
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1503 [11:51:45] <[Brain]> Iridos: i see testing has it. im looking into how to install the testing version under stable
1504 [11:51:54] <Iridos> judd, check-backport mysql-server
1505 [11:51:57] <judd> Backporting package mysql-server in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
1506 [11:52:02] <Iridos> judd, check-backport mysql-common
1507 [11:52:03] <judd> Backporting package mysql-common in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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1511 [11:53:08] <Iridos> [Brain], you can backport it yourself. the bot here has a factoid with a short version on what to do for it
1512 [11:53:18] <arahael> Iridos: ah, i was under the impression that we were supposed to use mariadb instead, but looks to be definitely gpl.
1513 [11:53:20] <Iridos> dpkg, tell [Brain] about ssb
1514 [11:54:01] <Iridos> arahael, hm, that is ture... RHEL switched... but the reason was that most developers left, not because of legal reasons
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1516 [11:54:22] <Iridos> judd, versions mariadb-server
1517 [11:54:23] <judd> Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.23-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.23-0+deb8u1; stretch: 10.0.24-7; sid: 10.0.24-7
1518 [11:54:38] <arahael> ineiros: interesting.
1519 [11:54:51] <arahael> *Iridos: I terestigg :)
1520 [11:54:58] <arahael> damn it.
1521 [11:55:05] <arahael> Iridos: Interesting.
1522 [11:55:08] <Iridos> (and they possibly left because they didn't like the new policy... I only skimmed the subject)
1523 [11:55:12] <Iridos> but good point
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1526 [11:55:48] <Iridos> it won't address the thing that anything in debian-stable is from the time of debian-stable, though
1527 [11:55:55] <arahael> personally i prefer sqlite3 and postgresql.
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1529 [11:56:54] <Iridos> I don't know if there are real advantages between mysql and postgresql
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1532 [11:57:33] <Iridos> but I used mysql for a bit about 10 years ago ... and it's definitely much easier to remember commands you once used however briefly then to switch
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1534 [11:57:43] <Iridos> \d and \d+ seem hideous :P
1535 [11:57:58] <arahael> there are loads of differences, but the most significant is probably the mysql's approach to consistency and correctness.
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1539 [11:58:37] <arahael> acid and all that. plus postgresql has loads of developer support.
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1542 [11:59:09] <Eduard_Munteanu> Is that still much of a difference? Do they still use ISAM by default?
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1545 [11:59:28] <arahael> Eduard_Munteanu: can't remember, but they lost my respect.
1546 [11:59:55] <jelly> Eduard_Munteanu: they don't, but they still throw all tables from all schemas into a single innodb store by default
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1549 [12:00:38] <jelly> so you want to not use defaults anyway
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1551 [12:01:05] <Iridos> dammit... the unicode thing might actually make me switch from less to most
1552 [12:01:28] <arahael> Iridos: eh?
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1554 [12:02:27] <Iridos> arahael, I asked if anyone knew why less doesn't handle a lot of unicode, but then found replaced-url
1555 [12:02:28] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1558 [12:02:48] <arahael> Iridos: ah. apparently most juat passes things through.
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1560 [12:03:14] <Iridos> arahael, not really... try e.g. most /bin/ls
1561 [12:03:34] <arahael> interesting.
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1563 [12:03:59] <arahael> Iridos: there's always piping into vim.
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1568 [12:05:21] <arahael> Iridos: ie, foo | vim -
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1570 [12:05:59] <Iridos> eww
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1572 [12:06:14] <Iridos> arahael, vless is aliased to `/usr/share/vim/vimcurrent/macros/less.sh'
1573 [12:06:21] <arahael> dkn't knock it. yiu have full control over the encoding.
1574 [12:06:36] <Iridos> gah. the macro moved again
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1577 [12:06:56] <arahael> looks weird. "vim -" isn't that difficult.
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1580 [12:07:34] <Iridos> vless is aliased to `/usr/share/vim/vim74/macros/less.sh'
1581 [12:07:38] <Iridos> why does that look weird
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1584 [12:07:52] <justatemp123> hello!
1585 [12:08:01] <justatemp123> can i ask a probably gdm related question here?
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1587 [12:08:07] <arahael> Iridos: well, not weird, just... pointless.
1588 [12:08:13] <Iridos> anyway, in general, I prefer a pager for paging, an editor for editing
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1590 [12:08:22] <arahael> justatemp123: what if we say no, after you just asled a quesrion?
1591 [12:08:28] <justatemp123> ill cry
1592 [12:08:30] <justatemp123> then move on
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1594 [12:09:00] <arahael> justatemp123: don't ask-to-ask.
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1597 [12:09:09] <arahael> justatemp123: just ask :)
1598 [12:09:23] <Iridos> or vim -R ... but the point of an alias is to have a simple single command (obviously)
1599 [12:09:23] <justatemp123> yessss!!
1600 [12:09:53] <Iridos> justatemp123, at least, it's very hard for anyone to answer if you don't ask... or if you don't include the needed useful information
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1603 [12:10:22] <justatemp123> im running debian 8, and i tried to install cuda from the repo, while i have proprietary drivers from the nvidia site.. not surprisingly it didnt end well.
1604 [12:10:33] <arahael> justatemp123: infact, people usually ignore the ask-to-ask questions. as they neither contribute anything meaningful, nor actually ask anything.
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1608 [12:11:29] <justatemp123> i wiped all nvidia rellated packages and reinstalled the prop. drivers, but now when i turn on my computer i get an "oops something went wrong" screen, and i have to switch to another virtual terminal, log in as usual and startX
1609 [12:11:37] <justatemp123> is this a GDM configuration problem?
1610 [12:11:41] <arahael> justatemp123: why do you use nvidia's proprietary drivers anyway?
1611 [12:11:49] <justatemp123> gaming!
1612 [12:12:12] <arahael> noeueveu didn't work?
1613 [12:12:33] * arahael isn't a debian gamer, though.
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1616 [12:13:10] <justatemp123> they did, but the prop drivers gave me more fps in most games
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1620 [12:13:54] <arahael> ah.
1621 [12:14:51] <Ticho> when I last tried nouveau, it couldn't even run an opengl composited desktop environment (KDE) without tearing
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1623 [12:15:09] <Iridos> uh, you didn't use the nvidia installer for that?
1624 [12:15:31] <justatemp123> i did!
1625 [12:15:38] <justatemp123> also did the nvidia-xconfig
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1627 [12:15:43] <Iridos> dpkg, why nvidia-installer sucks
1628 [12:15:44] <dpkg> nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>.
1629 [12:15:47] <justatemp123> so its not the xorg conf
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1632 [12:16:10] <Iridos> I guess that factoid explains quite what happened
1633 [12:16:12] <Iridos> dpkg, nvidia
1634 [12:16:13] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
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1636 [12:16:45] <justatemp123> i dun goofed didnt i
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1638 [12:17:21] <Iridos> I am not sure what was overwritten... or if we have a factoid on that (doesn't look like it)
1639 [12:17:30] <Iridos> maybe you could try using debsums to see what changed?
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1642 [12:18:12] <justatemp123> wait let me google that
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1646 [12:19:18] <Iridos> but yeah, fixing that could be a pain
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1648 [12:19:24] <justatemp123> i did debsums -ce
1649 [12:19:27] <justatemp123> /etc/gnome/defaults.list
1650 [12:19:27] <justatemp123> is changed
1651 [12:19:31] <Iridos> mmh. the wiki page on that seems to be a bit of a mess, too
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1653 [12:20:26] <Iridos> I more thought to use debsums to see if any binaries were switched
1654 [12:20:39] <justatemp123> oh i thought of configurations
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1656 [12:20:59] <Iridos> by default, you don't have an xorg.conf at all
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1658 [12:22:18] <justatemp123> im getting some missing files from libegl1-mesa now
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1661 [12:22:42] <Iridos> that may well be it, if you removed it
1662 [12:23:03] <Iridos> try apt-get install --reinstall libegl1-mesa
1663 [12:23:12] <justatemp123> changed libOpenCL....
1664 [12:23:28] <justatemp123> i really should do a clean install and get nvidia drivers from the repos dont i
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1666 [12:24:44] <justatemp123> more changed binaries in xorg extensions
1667 [12:25:45] <justatemp123> ok i reinstalled every package that seemed changed..
1668 [12:25:52] <justatemp123> we will see on the next restart
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1670 [12:25:55] <justatemp123> thank a lot :)
1671 [12:26:00] <justatemp123> thanks*
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1684 [12:32:13] <kzar> Anyone know of a Emacs snapshot repository for Debian Stretch?
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1721 [12:51:30] <Lope> where can I find the debian keyring?
1722 [12:51:40] <Lope> I don't have debian installed.
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1741 [13:03:15] <wewlad> hi debs, why's the no fonts-wine-development for debi?
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1746 [13:04:36] <jelly> ,v fonts-wine-development
1747 [13:04:37] <judd> No package named 'fonts-wine-development' was found in amd64.
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1751 [13:05:28] <jelly> wewlad: probably because wine packaging changed yet again... which debian release are you using?
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1753 [13:05:41] <wewlad> jelly: 8.4
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1755 [13:05:49] <jaggz> in Jessie, with kde, I can't seem to create a new activity
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1757 [13:06:32] <jaggz> It's my first time using activities (I'm apparently always just in Main/the default activity). When I click my Activities widget it shows main, but when adding a new activity, no option seems to create a new activity .. I don't see any change
1758 [13:07:01] <jelly> wewlad: what does «aptitude search '~nfont ?source-package(wine-development)'» say?
1759 [13:07:21] <wewlad> jelly: nothing
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1761 [13:07:42] <jelly> so it's gone
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1763 [13:08:01] <jelly> wewlad: which version of wine-development do you have installed?
1764 [13:08:05] <jelly> if any
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1766 [13:09:16] <wewlad> jelly: 'apt-cache show wine-development'?
1767 [13:09:41] <wewlad> the one at top is 1.9.5-3~bpo8+1, the one at bottom is 1.7.29-4
1768 [13:10:36] <jelly> wewlad: pastebin the whole output, and also output of "apt-cache policy" and also the output of the command you actually ran that made you ask this question in the first place
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1771 [13:12:35] <wewlad> 'apt-cache show wine-development': replaced-url
1772 [13:12:45] <wewlad> jelly: ^
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1778 [13:18:20] <jelly> wewlad: so fonts-wine-development does not even exist any more, just uninstall it?
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1780 [13:19:14] <wewlad> jelly: uninstall what?
1781 [13:19:38] <jelly> wewlad: the package named fonts-wine-development, if you have it from before
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1785 [13:20:29] <wewlad> jelly: no, I don't have it, thus nothing to uninstall. But I guess that I need that, because I'm experiencing some issues where I don't see a caret in a wined text editor :(
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1790 [13:23:01] <jelly> wewlad: if you look at the changelog for wine-development, it seems both wine and wine-development now use fonts-wine package.
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1800 [13:29:20] <wewlad> jelly: thanks, unfortunately that didn't resolve the issue with invisible caret for me... :(
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1846 [13:48:16] <fred1807> I am building a Read Only debian, everything seems to work, exept for those systemd error msgs during boot: replaced-url
1847 [13:48:52] <arahael> fred1807: eh? mount root ro. done?
1848 [13:49:07] <arahael> fred1807: or you mean, on a CD, rebooted nightly?
1849 [13:49:24] <fred1807> mount root ro
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1970 [14:52:24] <shodan`> I can't seem to install any packages on my fresh jessie install
1971 [14:52:32] <shodan`> replaced-url
1972 [14:52:45] <shodan`> Could there be any reason for this?
1973 [14:53:06] <Iridos> no, there couldn't possibly be a reason for this
1974 [14:53:25] <Iridos> (well, you asked for that)
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1976 [14:53:49] <Iridos> judd, versions apache2-bin
1977 [14:53:49] <shodan`> if there is no reason then I can go home early and get drunk, so either way is fine in my book
1978 [14:53:50] <judd> Package: apache2-bin on amd64 -- jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u1; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u4; stretch: 2.4.18-2; sid: 2.4.20-1
1979 [14:54:18] <Iridos> you're probably mixing in some way
1980 [14:54:22] <abrotman> dpkg: tell shodan` about jessie sources.list
1981 [14:54:28] <abrotman> you have no main source
1982 [14:55:24] <Iridos> but... apache2 is in main, too?
1983 [14:55:55] <Iridos> shodan`, show us the output of "apt-cache policy" before you change things
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1985 [14:55:59] <shodan`> abrotman: I do have a main source: replaced-url
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1988 [14:56:16] <themill> shodan`: no, you only have security updates
1989 [14:56:21] <Iridos> heh
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1991 [14:56:22] <themill> dpkg: tell shodan` about jessie sources.list
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1994 [14:56:35] <Iridos> seems abrotman was right :)
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1996 [14:57:03] <shodan`> yeah just noticed it
1997 [14:57:11] <shodan`> no clue how I missed this, fixed it stuff works again
1998 [14:57:12] <shodan`> Thanks
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2002 [14:58:09] <Iridos> and don't just uncomment volatile... I think your cdrom sources were the one that provided main... but you didn't add a repo on the net to replace them
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2005 [14:59:22] <shodan`> I just added the ones that I use in my other installs
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2011 [15:01:06] <frozengeek> hey all, I am wondering if anybody else is seeing race condition wrt systemctl restart apache? When we restart apache, the old apache still has ports open the moment the new apache already tries to open them.
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2030 [15:05:39] <Iridos> frozengeek, seen that a lot for our flexlm servers (not apache, not systemd, not debian)... I thought systemd might be the tool to handle that better
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2034 [15:06:16] <Iridos> that seems to be something in the kernel as such, that ports can stay bound for a long time if certain conditions ar met
2035 [15:06:36] <Iridos> one thing we suspect is that it takes much longer to free the port if the same process has occupied it for ages
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2037 [15:07:24] <Iridos> but I use letsencrypt on my debian machine and that needs an apache restart and I haven't seen any problems there
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2039 [15:08:24] <frozengeek> Iridos: I kind of know the issue, but not to the line where the bug is. there are 2 issues in the initscript: a) it exits 0 if apache failed to start b) it returns from a stop before apache is completely dead. So it's probably dependant on how fast your apache stops.
2040 [15:08:39] <fred1807> I am building a read-only system, can I disable systemd-random-seed and systemd-tmpfiles from boot ?
2041 [15:09:00] <frozengeek> Iridos: also, yes, systemd is the tool to handle it better, if you use native systemd units
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2044 [15:09:49] <Iridos> this is on jessie, I guess?
2045 [15:10:00] <frozengeek> Iridos: yes, on jessie.
2046 [15:10:21] <Iridos> have you looked at replaced-url
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2052 [15:11:48] <Iridos> hm, I don't see anything in there
2053 [15:11:57] <frozengeek> Iridos: thanks, it's this one replaced-url
2054 [15:11:58] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2055 [15:12:22] <Iridos> but that is SysV?
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2058 [15:12:51] <Iridos> oh... old init-script with systemd
2059 [15:13:24] <frozengeek> Iridos: yeah, that's pretty much the big issue here, there are barely any native units in jessie.
2060 [15:13:46] <Iridos> well, the bug is 5 days old.
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2065 [15:14:45] <Iridos> just a couple of lines in the init script to change
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2073 [15:17:47] <frozengeek> Iridos: yeah, I didn't have time to research it when we first hit it, now i hit it again, and tought maybe ask around a bit. :-)
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2082 [15:23:04] <funtoohopeful> hello. what is the latest kernel being used in debian stable?
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2090 [15:29:23] <abrotman> judd: kernels
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2092 [15:29:25] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-rc3-686 (4.6~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); stretch: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.5.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
2093 [15:29:29] <Iridos> oh so sorry we didn't answer within 20 seconds to something you could have figured out within 2 minutes yourself
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2095 [15:29:43] <Iridos> he's dead, jim, d-e-d, dead
2096 [15:29:46] <Iridos> well, gone, anyway
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2107 [15:32:00] <jim> ded??!!! o no!!
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2129 [15:39:48] <Drugo> Hello. When i try to install lumina-desktop from this repo "deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
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2131 [15:41:10] <teraflops> Lolwat
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2133 [15:41:47] <abrotman> Drugo: how would we know what their packages do?
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2135 [15:42:42] <Drugo> abrotman, i know this is not supported here, just asking if someone knows
2136 [15:42:44] <abrotman> Drugo: though, given that one of their packages depends on lxpolkit, not sure why they're surprised
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2138 [15:43:03] <Drugo> ok
2139 [15:43:14] <abrotman> Drugo: lxpolkit depends on lxsession, thus you have what you're seeing
2140 [15:43:25] <abrotman> you can try without recommends if you want
2141 [15:43:33] <abrotman> ultimately, they're small packages, I'd probably ignore it
2142 [15:43:47] <Drugo> ok, thanks
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2146 [15:45:08] <johnfg> hi folks
2147 [15:45:16] <johnfg> Still tweaking a few things with permissions.
2148 [15:45:58] <johnfg> They aren't right on /var/log/exim4, apparently. Got a mail about it. What should owner:group be for /var/log/exim4?
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2155 [15:48:09] <jordanm> johnfg: Debian-exim:adm
2156 [15:48:25] <johnfg> jordanm: Ok, thanks
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2158 [15:50:17] <johnfg> jordanm: That's what I have, but here's the mesgs I got. Note that the date, however, is last December: replaced-url
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2162 [15:50:52] <johnfg> If I'd fixed this earlier, should I now, maybe, just delete the paniclog?
2163 [15:51:25] <jordanm> johnfg: yes, truncate it
2164 [15:52:46] <johnfg> jordanm: K, I thought that would maybe do it. Is there a way to run whatever generated the mesg?
2165 [15:53:05] <johnfg> i.e., to check and see if that fixed the problem?
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2171 [15:55:20] <doebi> installing "texlive-latex-extra" also yields the installation of "texlive-latex-extra-doc" how can i prevent that?
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2181 [15:58:31] <doebi> got it "--no-install-recommends"
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2220 [16:14:53] <nindustries> Hi, is it possible to set a IPv6 DUID during installation?
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2226 [16:15:58] <somiaj> nindustries: I haven't tried, but ipv6 shoudl be availble during the install and you can switch over to a console during the install to add things manually if needed.
2227 [16:16:07] <somiaj> nindustries: so can't say for sure, but I don't see why not.
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2230 [16:16:16] <nindustries> hmm
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2232 [16:16:43] <nindustries> I'm not used to ipv6 but I need to use it as my Online.net provider only gives me a subnet with a DUID
2233 [16:17:28] <somiaj> me either, I can't give you much more advise that I don't see why it wouldn't work, though unsure if it needs extra help or is included in the installer
2234 [16:18:08] <nindustries> aha! replaced-url
2235 [16:18:08] <colo-work> I have a 5TB drive as the only drive in a machine that uses BIOS/MBR to boot. is there any way to have this drive provide /boot/ while also having its full capacity available to Debian's (Jessie) Linux kernel?
2236 [16:19:24] <somiaj> colo-work: does it need to be in a single partition?
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2240 [16:20:11] <colo-work> somiaj, I'd ultimately like to have a ~60GB filesystem for / and /boot, and the rest of the drive available for md or LVM
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2242 [16:20:33] <dury> hi there channel :-)
2243 [16:20:38] <colo-work> the ~60GB slice needs to be a proper MBR boot partition; for the rest, anything that works is fair game
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2247 [16:21:50] <somiaj> colo-work: I am unsure here, as I don't use LVM, but I think LVM can be configured to use multiple partitions and piece them together.
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2249 [16:22:08] <somiaj> colo-work: maybe you'll have to make 2TB partitions (mbrs limit for a single partition) and let LVM string them together for you
2250 [16:22:15] <somiaj> but I'm unsure on the details
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2253 [16:23:10] <colo-work> somiaj, I think MBR partitions are stored as abolsute offsets into the whole drive's available LBA sectors, which would mean that there's no way I can get any kind of MBR partition created past the 2T limit
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2258 [16:24:10] <dury> replaced-url
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2260 [16:24:46] <dury> mine is geforce gt 650m
2261 [16:24:47] <somiaj> colo-work: ahh I thought it was a limitation as per partition size, not per disk. I coudl be mistaken
2262 [16:25:04] <dury> but crashes
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2265 [16:25:51] <TomTomTosch> dury: you installed the drivers from the nvidia website?
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2267 [16:26:59] <TomTomTosch> dury: or did you do the correct thing and read the wiki? replaced-url
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2273 [16:29:21] <dury> TomTomTosch, I don't want to do that 'cause it crashes I'm sure. did it several times
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2276 [16:29:55] <dury> happy with default driver noveau or something
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2279 [16:30:23] <anton02> on a typical home LAN can all traffic be monitored by any connected peer whos running something like wireshark?
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2282 [16:30:51] <anton02> or does the person running wireshark need to be the host computer providing the shared internet
2283 [16:30:59] <naomo> ciao a tutti
2284 [16:31:09] <naomo> !list
2285 [16:31:10] <dpkg> naomo: vedi replaced-url
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2329 [16:43:22] <dury> TomTomTosch, could you please help me to install kali tools on jessie? do you know what I mean?
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2332 [16:46:08] <awwal> dury, kali is debian based and almost all it's pkgs are available in debian repos. check those you want and install them. thats all
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2335 [16:47:52] <TomTomTosch> dury: no, sry. all i have is a bootable usb drive with kali. i think there is a channel for that though.
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2338 [16:49:34] <seeother> dury: I think you can just add kali repository to sources.list, and configure apt-pinning
2339 [16:49:45] <seeother> dury: replaced-url
2340 [16:50:54] <dury> TomTomTosch, awwal, seeother, what are the most interesting tools to install in jessie, guys?
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2344 [16:51:21] <awwal> dury, tools of what?
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2348 [16:51:42] <seeother> so basically you need to add this repo "deb replaced-url
2349 [16:52:01] <TomTomTosch> dury: the base system is very slim. you have then the option to install about 40k packages of your liking.
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2351 [16:52:27] <seeother> and create file in /etc/apt/preferences.d with this config replaced-url
2352 [16:52:40] <awwal> he refers to kali tools xD
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2357 [16:53:23] <dury> tools for hacking
2358 [16:53:31] <awwal> dury, this channel is for debian gnu-linus OS support, not for hacking, kali and similar stuff
2359 [16:53:34] <awwal> forget it
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2361 [16:53:39] <TomTomTosch> dury: i would be careful with what seeother said. if you want kali you would be better off using the kali installer and its own repos.
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2363 [16:54:28] <dury> ok I know what you mean, sorry
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2366 [16:55:29] <awwal> just create a VM in your debian system and install kali there. thats your best choice.
2367 [16:56:44] <TomTomTosch> !tell seeother about frankendebian
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2369 [16:57:07] <dury> TomTomTosch, awwal, what's the main purpose to use debian?
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2373 [16:58:05] <TomTomTosch> dury: to have a stable and secure operating system with a vast software repository.
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2376 [16:59:49] <seeother> TomTomTosch: thanks. so the best option is to make separate installation of derived distro? what about something like debootstrapped chroot environment?
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2378 [16:59:59] <dury> for my opinion it's very flexible
2379 [17:00:20] <TomTomTosch> seeother: that's fine as well. just keep your system clean.
2380 [17:00:55] <dury> like more than ubuntu
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2383 [17:02:14] <dury> TomTomTosch, awwal, finally, your opinion about ubuntu...? if you din't mind, please
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2385 [17:02:36] <dury> din't = don't
2386 [17:02:49] <Abbott> so this package: replaced-url
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2402 [17:07:37] <JordiGH> I wonder if I'm going to artificially inflate popcon results by installing popcon on both my work and home laptop.
2403 [17:08:04] <JordiGH> Also, how does popcon work when you're not on all the time? Does it use anacron or systemd timers or what?
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2410 [17:11:14] <awwal> JordiGH, replaced-url
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2419 [17:13:12] <JordiGH> awwal: I read that, it refers to cron. That doesn't explain what happens on a laptop when it isn't on at the at default times when the cron job fires according to the FAQ.
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2429 [17:14:27] <venkat_330> I am planning to setup my USB stick with 3 drives (EXT4,EXT4,FAT32). On first partition would install GRML ISO and 2nd partition for storage and 3 (FAT32) for storing logs. It will be helpful if FAT is auto mountable in windows and easy for remote technicians to share data. However, I was able to partition the device but after partitioning windows is not detecting the drive. Reading forums suggests to use LEXIT bit and make pen drive as HDD
2430 [17:14:58] <venkat_330> .I just want to undertand this and do it in Linux way.
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2432 [17:15:35] <Iridos> I'd want to understand what that has to do with debian
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2441 [17:16:48] <jelly> venkat_330: linux way is "keep it like this and ignore what windows thinks"?
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2443 [17:17:23] <JordiGH> Remember goodbyemicrosoft.com ?
2444 [17:17:23] <venkat_330> Iridos: I am trying to explore what options are available in Linux.
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2451 [17:19:03] <venkat_330> jelly: Yeah..In india still windows is running and our engineers has to share us data from browsing centre.
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2456 [17:19:39] <jelly> venkat_330: I'm not sure what that has to do with debian, tho... use a second stick?
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2460 [17:20:58] <jelly> venkat_330: are you saying something like "I need a debian live usb, with persistence, and a vfat partition accessible from windows"?
2461 [17:21:18] <venkat_330> jelly: yes
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2467 [17:23:24] <jelly> venkat_330: keep the first partition vfat with grml or whatever live system; second partition ext2/3/4 for persistence. Order is important, I think, so verify with your windows systems esp. if you have old crap like 2003
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2469 [17:24:17] <dury> TomTomTosch, awwal, hey guys what about this replaced-url
2470 [17:24:45] <TomTomTosch> dury: what about this?
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2473 [17:25:08] <jelly> venkat_330: #grml (here on freenode) and #debian-live (on irc.oftc.net) may help with details. I'd try to get persistence running on your own first
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2480 [17:25:52] <TomTomTosch> dury: it's the repository where you can get the latest firefox from for debian jessie. you can add that safely to your sources.
2481 [17:26:07] <dury> TomTomTosch, I mean replace iceweasel for firefox is that a frankendebian
2482 [17:26:11] <venkat_330> jelly: Yes i am using LILO currently to achieve this. With this mode LIVE files are accessible to users and when USB diskes is inserted under windows and chances for corruption is high
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2485 [17:26:23] <venkat_330> i am trying to avoid that.
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2487 [17:26:42] <TomTomTosch> dury: no, only non-debian sources make it a frankendebian or sources that are not meant for your version of debian.
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2490 [17:27:05] <jelly> venkat_330: separate sticks then, probably
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2498 [17:28:55] <dury> TomTomTosch, what's happen if I add that repo ? does iceweasel disappear or what?
2499 [17:29:09] <jelly> venkat_330: what is LEXIT btw?
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2501 [17:29:39] <TomTomTosch> dury: no, but you can install firefox additionally.
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2503 [17:29:50] <dury> TomTomTosch, or I got both version iceweasel and firefox
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2507 [17:30:43] <venkat_330> jelly: replaced-url
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2513 [17:31:21] <dury> TomTomTosch, I will get latest firefox and it will be more secure to surf on the net, right?
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2515 [17:31:47] <greycat> OK, someone explain to me in actual words what the Samba 4.2 upgrade in jessie means when it says I should investigate " - smb signing = required". There is no such option in smb.conf(5). There are similar-looking options but they do not have "required" as one of the possible values.
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2519 [17:32:44] <TomTomTosch> dury: you can get the latest stable firefox from there. iceweasel is just as secure though, as it is covered by the debian security team.
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2523 [17:33:48] <dury> TomTomTosch, right I see, thanks indeed
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2525 [17:34:18] <hiya> hey guys what's up?
2526 [17:35:20] <greycat> All of this Samba shit is *so* confusing. It all assumes that I have some knowledge of this crazy Microsoft world. But I don't.
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2528 [17:35:41] <greycat> I don't know what an "NTLM auth" is. I don't know what an "SMB signing" is.
2529 [17:36:04] <greycat> I just want to know what I have to do to smb.conf before I can upgrade the damned package.
2530 [17:36:10] <JordiGH> I love hearing greycat grump.
2531 [17:36:11] <colo-work> hehe, I feel you
2532 [17:36:31] <Iridos> from what version to what version do you get that?
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2534 [17:36:45] <colo-work> presumably 3.x to 4.x
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2536 [17:36:58] <greycat> Jessie to Jessie. There is a security update in Jessie that upgrades you from Samba 4.1 to Samba 4.2.
2537 [17:37:04] <colo-work> ah
2538 [17:37:23] <greycat> The NEWS.Debian.gz file tells me to consider using "smb signing = required" but there is no such option.
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2540 [17:37:25] <themill> that one even got a logo
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2543 [17:38:10] <Iridos> aptitude changelog shows this for 2:4.4.1+dfsg-1... but that might have been backported... so maybe CVE-2016-2114 ?
2544 [17:38:27] <greycat> Do they really mean "client ipc signing"? Or "client signing"? Or "server signing"? None of these have "required" as an option.
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2554 [17:42:03] <themill> #820983 btw
2555 [17:42:04] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2563 [17:45:58] <hiya> Do you think Debian would ever release a version called Debian Fresh?
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2565 [17:46:10] <hiya> Which would be updated version of Debian vs Stable?
2566 [17:46:15] <hiya> like to fight Fedora :D
2567 [17:46:21] <JordiGH> hiya: There was CUT.
2568 [17:46:25] <JordiGH> I don't know if that ever went anywhere.
2569 [17:46:57] <hiya> What is CUT?
2570 [17:48:04] <themill> it meant sufficiently many different things to different people that it ended up meaning nothing at all
2571 [17:48:29] <greycat> dpkg, jessie samba is <reply>A security update in jessie upgrades Samba to 4.2. The NEWS.Debian.gz file has some errors. See <replaced-url
2572 [17:48:30] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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2574 [17:49:27] <JordiGH> hiya: 'Twas Continuously Usable Testing.
2575 [17:49:38] <hiya> ok
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2577 [17:50:02] <JordiGH> Looks like it died in 2012.
2578 [17:50:14] <JordiGH> Honestly, I'm quite happy with stable+backports myelf.
2579 [17:50:16] <themill> it was never actually a thing
2580 [17:50:17] <JordiGH> myself
2581 [17:50:18] <hiya> I want to shorten the Debian's tittle window's big space
2582 [17:50:20] <hiya> is there a way?
2583 [17:50:31] <greycat> the what window?
2584 [17:50:36] <teraflops> heh
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2594 [17:57:28] <greycat> No, seriously, I have no idea what he's asking.
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2597 [17:58:38] <teraflops> nor do I. I realized many people confuse e.g gnome with debian
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2600 [18:00:21] <jhutchins> Is there a way to see what symlinks exist for a given folder? IE if /mnt/nfs/files is symlinked to /var/replaced-url
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2602 [18:00:41] <hiya> sed -i "/title_vertical_pad/s/value=\"[0-9]\{1,2\}\"/value=\"0\"/g" \
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2606 [18:00:57] <greycat> jhutchins: sym links can be anywhere in the entire file system, so you would have to search everywhere. E.g. using find.
2607 [18:00:59] <hiya> I just executed it and it did make the titlebar small but the problem is that now I want to revert it
2608 [18:01:03] <hiya> how is it possible?
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2612 [18:01:26] <greycat> hiya: you omitted the end of that command that tells us *what file* you are editing
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2614 [18:01:27] <dury> catch you all later, byeee
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2617 [18:02:28] <hiya> greycat, sed -i "/title_vertical_pad/s/value=\"[0-9]\{1,2\}\"/value=\"0\"/g" \
2618 [18:02:30] <greycat> Also your sed -i (with no extension) did not create a backup copy of the file, so I hope you had a backup to return to.
2619 [18:02:33] <hiya> I did not do anything but this ^
2620 [18:02:41] <greycat> hiya: the \ at the end means "this command is continued on the next line"
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2628 [18:05:19] <Stephen44> Anyone here to help a newcomer
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2631 [18:05:51] <greycat> !ask
2632 [18:05:52] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2634 [18:06:18] <hiya> greycat, /usr/share/themes/Adwaita/metacity-1/metacity-theme-3.xml
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2636 [18:06:47] <Stephen44> Do you feel proud with the name dpkg
2637 [18:06:54] <greycat> Oh dear gods. Editing XML files with sed -i.
2638 [18:06:57] <abrotman> Stephen44: Do you need help with Debian?
2639 [18:07:06] <Stephen44> Yes
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2644 [18:08:15] <greycat> hiya: to revert, if you did not make a backup copy of this file, the easiest thing would probably be to reinstall the metacity package. This shouldn't be marked as a config file (it's not in /etc), so reinstalling the pkg should overwrite it.
2645 [18:08:21] <hiya> greycat, hehe :D what all did that command change?
2646 [18:08:38] <greycat> hiya: it changed *some number* (no clue what it was) to 0.
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2649 [18:08:54] <hiya> title_vertical_pad/s/value=\"[0-9]\{1,2\}\"/value=\"0\"/g
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2651 [18:08:57] <hiya> greycat, ^
2652 [18:09:11] <hiya> obvious title_Vertical_pad's value to 0
2653 [18:09:11] <greycat> YES, I SAW THE DAMNED SED COMMAND three times now
2654 [18:09:17] <hiya> :D
2655 [18:09:29] <greycat> Yes, it CHANGES it to 0. But you don't know what it WAS.
2656 [18:09:31] <hiya> it just did that?
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2658 [18:10:02] <greycat> Since you don't know what it WAS, you don't know what to change it BACK TO, so just reinstall the package, which should reinstall that file.
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2662 [18:11:40] <hiya> greycat, metacity?
2663 [18:11:42] <hiya> nothing else?
2664 [18:12:05] <greycat> Whichever pacakge that file is in. I'm assuming it's in metacity.
2665 [18:12:17] <greycat> You could use dpkg -S to verify that.
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2669 [18:12:42] <hiya> greycat, nothing is fixing it
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2671 [18:13:09] <greycat> Did you reinstall the package? Did you look at the file to see if it changed? Did you use dpkg -S filename to verify that we're using the right package?
2672 [18:14:00] <Iridos> hiya, " dpkg -S /usr/share/themes/Adwaita/metacity-1/metacity-theme-3.xml " tells you that it's gnome-themes-standard-data
2673 [18:14:14] <greycat> Ah, sorry for the incorrect guess.
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2677 [18:14:53] <hiya> Iridos, greycat fixed
2678 [18:14:53] <hiya> :D
2679 [18:15:10] <hiya> gnome-themes-standard-data
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2695 [18:19:34] <hiya> is there a better player than smplayer?
2696 [18:19:43] <hiya> since smplayer is totally outdated in Debian 8
2697 [18:19:48] <hiya> and there is no backports
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2699 [18:20:09] * greycat isn't sure what "outdated" even means...
2700 [18:20:14] <greycat> ,v smplayer
2701 [18:20:15] <judd> Package: smplayer on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.6.9-1; wheezy: 0.8.0-1+deb7u1; jessie: 14.9.0~ds0-1; sid: 16.4.0~ds0-1; stretch: 16.4.0~ds0-1
2702 [18:20:32] <greycat> No backports. Maybe it's not popular enough? Or maybe backporting was too hard.
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2704 [18:20:55] <hiya> ,v kernel
2705 [18:20:56] <judd> No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64.
2706 [18:21:00] <greycat> You want ,kernels
2707 [18:21:03] <hiya> ,v kernel-image
2708 [18:21:04] <judd> No package named 'kernel-image' was found in amd64.
2709 [18:21:07] <hiya> :D
2710 [18:21:11] <hiya> ,kernel
2711 [18:21:12] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-rc3-686 (4.6~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); stretch: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.5.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
2712 [18:21:13] <hiya> ,kernels
2713 [18:21:14] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-rc3-686 (4.6~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); stretch: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); jessie-backports: 4.5.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.5.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
2714 [18:23:50] <hiya> greycat, I really miss a Debian Fresh edtion
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2719 [18:25:10] <hiya> replaced-url
2720 [18:25:17] <hiya> do you think this is safe?
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2723 [18:26:49] <tremon> ,check-backport smplayer
2724 [18:26:50] <judd> Backporting package smplayer in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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2729 [18:29:01] <Iridos> isn't smplayer mplayer + gui?
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2742 [18:31:43] <Iridos> hiya, so what is it that newer players have that the one in stable doesn't
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2747 [18:32:36] <hiya> Iridos, a lot of things
2748 [18:33:24] <Iridos> that's incredibly specific
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2753 [18:34:46] <DHowett> I've got an early boot VM provisioning tool starting from sysvinit; it's single-run and removes itself when it's done. Is there an equivalent in systemd boot where I can "stop the world" early on?
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2756 [18:34:51] <DHowett> i suppose maybe it makes sense in an initramfs
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2758 [18:36:38] <Iridos> "a lot of things" sounds a lot like "I got SNS"
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2760 [18:37:21] <tremon> hiya: are you on jessie? going purely by the version numbers, the jump from 0.8 to 14.9 seems a lot bigger than 14.9 to 16.4
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2766 [18:38:42] <hiya> Iridos, ok ok
2767 [18:38:45] <hiya> tremon, :D
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2769 [18:39:00] <teraflops> Iridos: imho that SNS nonsense can be quite unaccurate most of the time
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2771 [18:39:06] <hiya> I think I am in love with Debian, I have travelled Fedora land and then Trisquel and then I got back
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2773 [18:39:36] <dontknow> hiya, wellcome back :D
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2778 [18:40:24] <hiya> dontknow, wtf you here too ? :D you everywhere bro :D are you a FSF fan like me too?
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2780 [18:40:54] <Iridos> teraflops, dunno... a single great thing in a new version would have been a lot more informative, yesno? Like... something one might consider having oneself.
2781 [18:40:56] <dontknow> hiya, i am debian fan ^^
2782 [18:41:18] <teraflops> Iridos: iwas speaking in general not smplayer itself
2783 [18:41:32] <teraflops> Iridos: that said I only use debian stable
2784 [18:42:25] <tremon> hiya: you can /msg dpkg ssb to get some (very terse) instructions on how to perform a backport yourself
2785 [18:42:41] <hiya> dontknow, ok cool, but you were going for "16.04 Crapbuntu"?
2786 [18:43:46] <dontknow> hiya, yes. temporary
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2790 [18:45:26] <hiya> dontknow, if Debian releases a Fresh Edition which is in competition to Fedora updated packages wise then it would actually take 40
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2792 [18:45:33] <hiya> 40 percent of Fedora's desktop market share
2793 [18:45:34] <hiya> D:
2794 [18:45:37] <hiya> What do you think?
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2801 [18:46:33] <raspberrypifan> hi all, is there any point to having the user be on a separate partition anymore
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2807 [18:47:55] <dontknow> hiya, i doubt it. there is already testing and sid
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2810 [18:48:09] <Circuitsoft> Hello - I have several network interfaces that are not named right on boot.
2811 [18:48:19] <Atomic_m1txT2> if you are the user.. it depends.. easier to backup?
2812 [18:48:27] <Circuitsoft> This is a sever with onboard Intel ethernet, and a Solarflare card.
2813 [18:48:57] <Circuitsoft> After booting, if I "modprobe -r sfc" then "modprobe sfc" then the devices come back with the correct names, according to /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net-rules
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2815 [18:49:08] <Circuitsoft> But for some reason that's not applied on boot.
2816 [18:49:15] <raspberrypifan> hmm
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2819 [18:50:22] <Atomic_m1txT2> Circuit, are the devices mounted with different names?
2820 [18:50:30] <Lapis1> what is the easiest way to stop of launching any graphical client on debian at the start, so that only console will be loaded (and that I can fix back later, if needed)
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2822 [18:50:37] <Circuitsoft> Yes.
2823 [18:50:47] <circuit> :-)
2824 [18:50:51] <Circuitsoft> After looking now, it appears that persistent-net-rules.conf is not included in initramfs.
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2829 [18:51:24] <Circuitsoft> Lapis1: systemctl disable <xdm/gdm/kdm/lightdm/whatever you use>
2830 [18:51:26] <drkshad0w> I have a preseed file for the installer and I'd like to change a value in that via the early_command. How can I do that?
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2833 [18:51:51] <tremon> raspberrypifan: for single-user, single-OS systems, there's not that many reasons for it. But it's still easier to reinstall if your data is on a separate partition
2834 [18:52:04] <Lapis1> circuitsoft thanks, I will try it
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2840 [18:53:46] <Iridos> teraflops, ah, I thought you mean the accusation of SNS can be quite unaccurate
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2852 [18:56:42] <raspberrypifan> ah i see
2853 [18:56:43] <Haohmaru> does debian by deffault prevent listen sockets to be accessible from outside? like.. firewall?
2854 [18:57:05] <tremon> it doesn't
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2857 [18:58:00] <greycat> There is no firewall by default, at all.
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2859 [18:58:00] <tremon> it is assumed that when you install a package that listens on a port, you want to have it reachable
2860 [18:58:10] <Haohmaru> i set up an irc server on a freshly installed debian 8.4, i can connect from the same machine to it, but i can't connect from another computer on the network, it says "connection refused" immediately
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2862 [18:58:13] <KobraLocke> Has anyone figured out why htop in testing is dynamically displaying mem/sawp in GB instead of MB once it gets past 1GB? More importantly, has anyone figured out how to return it to a sane setting?
2863 [18:58:26] <greycat> Haohmaru: perhaps you are on a private LAN inside a NAT router.
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2866 [18:59:08] <greycat> Oh, same LAN? Well, then perhaps this particular ircd has to be told to listen on * instead of 127.0.0.1 or something.
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2869 [18:59:52] <tremon> probably that, yes. Some (many?) services bind to localhost-only in their default configuration
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2871 [18:59:56] <greycat> KobraLocke: file a bug report, or ask in the testing support channel.
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2873 [19:01:17] <Haohmaru> hm
2874 [19:01:42] <Haohmaru> if it binds to 127.0.0.1 it won't go to eth0 at all?
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2876 [19:01:56] <greycat> correct
2877 [19:02:02] <Iridos> that's "lo"
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2880 [19:02:10] <greycat> You should be able to verify this with ss or netstat or lsof ....
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2888 [19:05:41] <KobraLocke> greycat: I think I found the cause of the issue, and the offending code, but I'm not sure how it could be rewritten. It would seem, based on what I've been looking at, that this is a new intended "feature" of htop.
2889 [19:06:02] <Haohmaru> yeah, that was it.. the bind address was localhost, removed it and now it works
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2891 [19:06:03] <Haohmaru> yey
2892 [19:06:12] <greycat> You can always file a bug report, even if it's for a wishlist option to turn it back to the way it used to be.
2893 [19:06:20] <greycat> Worst that can happen is the maintainer yells at you.
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2897 [19:07:25] <KobraLocke> I just don't know why anyone would want htop to display memory usage in GB, and switch back and forth dynamically. Also, the aesthetics were ruined by the addition of a decimal place.
2898 [19:07:27] <KobraLocke> Sigh...
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2911 [19:11:07] <Atomic_m1txT2> most people who use a swap likely use GBs not MBs of ram
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2916 [19:11:25] <greycat> Totally depends on the age of the hardware.
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2961 [19:27:51] <HarveyPwca> Yes. In the days of hard drives that were 25 MB swap was measured in Kb.
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2964 [19:28:32] <HarveyPwca> As was your RAM.
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2966 [19:28:45] <greycat> Swap space has always been the same order of magnitude as RAM.
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2968 [19:29:02] <greycat> 1x, 2x, 4x, maybe a bit more, but never MUCH more.
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2973 [19:30:17] <HarveyPwca> It was still measured in Kb not MB in the "good ol' days".
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2980 [19:32:24] <HarveyPwca> Most lappies sold with a paltry 16 or 32 Kb and upgrading to 64 or 128 Kb was VERY pricey.
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2985 [19:33:29] <greycat> I remember the good old days when a kilobyte was 1024 bytes, and nobody tried to make us use made-up baby-talk words.
2986 [19:33:37] <iKarith> HarveyPwca: I have computers whose RAM is measured in Kb. :)
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2988 [19:33:47] <HarveyPwca> Near $400 apiece as I recall spending for the 128's.
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2991 [19:34:09] <iKarith> Two of 'em complete and functional, #3 arrives in 2 days. Labeled "Bigger than a breadbin".
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2994 [19:34:48] <iKarith> The others are more fruity and one oversized (slow) calculator running an emulator to run BASIC ;)
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2999 [19:36:18] <HarveyPwca> I'm recalling my first laptop. That had a WHOPPING 25 Mb hard drive and two 128Kb RAM modules. Of course it was pre-linux.
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3004 [19:37:29] <abrotman> HarveyPwca: Need help with Debian?
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3007 [19:38:57] * iKarith is trying to interface his dinosaurs with Debian :)
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3009 [19:39:42] <HarveyPwca> Since I came late to the conversation… Which version?
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3011 [19:39:52] <iKarith> I think I'm gonna need hardware for the TI and the Commodore when it gets here though.
3012 [19:39:52] <greycat> I've heard of computers running powered by a potato, but never powered by a dinosaur.
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3016 [19:40:42] <iKarith> greycat: Funny you should mention that. We have this nice device that powers a Raspberry Pi off an Apple //'s bus (and also provides the nifty interface to it)
3017 [19:41:03] <iKarith> I don't have one of those and they're a little hard to get, but it can be done with older RPis.
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3019 [19:41:33] <iKarith> A2 system bus is limited to 500mA though, so ... that's not happening with the later ones.
3020 [19:41:56] <iKarith> And I wouldn't run Debian on the older ones. :( armel? No thanks.
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3058 [20:00:33] <iKarith> is there a particularly useful way to convince aptitude to default to upgrading packages to resolve a "broken" upgrade rather than suggesting that the first solution is to remove a hundred packages including base-files ? :P
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3061 [20:01:22] <iKarith> usually the upgrade-dependencies option is the 2nd or 3rd solution, but the first always seems to be to remove some Essential: Yes packages.
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3063 [20:01:28] <iKarith> And that should not be the default!
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3069 [20:02:38] <iKarith> Yeah here... 1/2 ... suggest 97 removals. 2/2 suggest 4 upgrades
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3091 [20:12:51] <aliljet> hey! is there a good place for me get a guide to building a debian package? something simple -- I want to basically install mysql with a few specialized changes.
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3094 [20:14:17] <teraflops> aliljet: apt-source + quilt is fine for me if you like patches
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3098 [20:16:32] <lorddaedra> hello) may I ask another one newbie question here: why do debian install 3 tools: apt-get, apt and aptitude?.. I know aptitude better than apt-get (aptitude allow to use '--add-user-tag' option), I thought , apt-get is old way, aptitude is new way, but now I see 'apt'..
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3104 [20:17:30] <aliljet> teraflops: is there anything that will guide me to building a package from scrizzle scratch?
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3106 [20:18:28] <teraflops> aliljet: there is a factoid here I'm not aware of, maybe someone here can /tell you
3107 [20:18:44] <aliljet> teraflops: <3
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3109 [20:19:00] <lorddaedra> so what is better : apt or aptitude? and as I see Debian developers like package managers, we will see more of them in new Debian releases, isn't it? :-)
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3115 [20:21:17] <crayon> what does the `file` command do exactly?
3116 [20:21:20] <crayon> just read header info?
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3118 [20:22:45] <humbot> MAGIC
3119 [20:22:57] <crayon> k
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3133 [20:26:35] <aliljet> one more oddly newbie question: apt-source -- how would I know what package that is contained inside?
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3159 [20:35:48] <toruvinn> aliljet, maybe packages.debian.org
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3162 [20:36:15] <aliljet> toruvinn: from the cli is there anything?
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3167 [20:37:32] <toruvinn> aliljet, tbh maybe you just need apt-get build-dep?
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3175 [20:41:26] <venkat_330> jelly: replaced-url
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3181 [20:42:36] <jelly> venkat_330: i'm the wrong person to ask on this, barely got persistence working with my grub stick :-)
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3183 [20:42:49] <jelly> and it's built in, there
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3216 [20:51:56] <hiya> Where can I find the SSH login logs?
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3218 [20:52:13] <greycat> /var/log/auth.log
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3220 [20:52:30] <digidog> I usually install Debian with several partitions like root (/) /usr /var /home /swp /tmp etc. My question belongs to some more mobility: I would like to put /var/replaced-url
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3224 [20:53:12] <brigo> digidog, are you talking about run the installer again?
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3226 [20:54:27] <jim> digidog, this is a laptop?
3227 [20:55:07] <digidog> brigo: no. fresh install. the problem is, how to make /home mobile and how to tell another Debian on startup to look for /home somewhere else. maybe my concept is nonsense ...
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3229 [20:55:43] <jim> you can do that kind of thing in /etc/fstab
3230 [20:55:45] <digidog> jim: doesnt matter. its about mobility. I would like to "hang in" my /home/user on other Debian systems
3231 [20:55:57] <hiya> greycat, I want to disable logging completely, is it possible?
3232 [20:55:59] <digidog> jim: oh sry, was for the Q before
3233 [20:56:13] <greycat> Probabyl.
3234 [20:56:30] <digidog> hiya: why would you like to do that? o.@
3235 [20:56:53] <digidog> hiya: especially for SSH its important to know the login ogs
3236 [20:57:00] <digidog> *logs*
3237 [20:57:01] <anddam> hi, I've got a virtual disk image that was on a physical disk that failed, the vdi has been recovered (not by me) and I'm trying to access it using a virtualbox vm with latest jessie
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3239 [20:57:25] <digidog> jim: good point! -> fstab
3240 [20:57:30] <jim> digidog, the issue with /home is only that users and groups (which would own the files in your /home and possibly elsewhere) are in /etc/passwd and /etc/group which generally live in the / partition
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3242 [20:57:45] <digidog> *facepalm*
3243 [20:57:48] <digidog> jim: true that
3244 [20:57:56] <hiya> digidog, ok, but I want to disable all the logs,
3245 [20:57:57] <anddam> I can connect the image to the SATA controller and both fdisk and cfdisk can see the FAT
3246 [20:58:20] <anddam> i.e. I can see the two partitions that where on the virtual drive with their correct size
3247 [20:58:22] <digidog> hiya: I hope you dont talk about a server, since this would be No good idea for SSH
3248 [20:58:41] <hiya> greycat, is there a way to fresh install Debina Jessie from active install esp. if the hosting provider would not give you option to enter bios boot menu etc ? I can ssh / do VNC ?
3249 [20:58:59] <anddam> trying to run fsck on the Linux partition (i.e. Id 83) says that the superblock is broken and suggests a couple block address for backup
3250 [20:59:00] <hiya> digidog, I am talking about a server only
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3252 [20:59:29] <anddam> since I don't know if it's ext2 3 or 4 is using the fsck wrapper safe?
3253 [20:59:40] <digidog> hiya: well, each its own. I know that wasnt your question, but I would strongly recommend NOT to turn off logging for SSH.
3254 [21:00:04] <anddam> that is, will i break the fs more if I try to use fsck.ext3 with an ext2 partition?
3255 [21:00:06] <jim> digidog, there are probably various workarounds... on my system I have a partition with my /home, and I only have a couple users
3256 [21:00:46] <jim> suffice it to say that sharing amongst various installs of debian on the hd sorta works
3257 [21:01:52] <jim> but that's pretty much only because the planets happened to align correctly at the time (aka: I got lucky this one time)
3258 [21:02:01] <digidog> jim: :)
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3260 [21:02:25] <hiya> digidog, ok
3261 [21:02:38] <digidog> jim: well, the systems I would like to share my home with are not random so I think your approach would work fo rme. I only have to make sure that the user exists on them all
3262 [21:02:47] <hiya> Is there a way to start a new installation in VM enviornment from an active installation?
3263 [21:02:53] <jmcnaught> anddam: are you operating on your only copy of the recovered filesystem? make a copy of it, then you can make mistakes.
3264 [21:03:10] <Mr-R> digidog: user should exist and user-id and groupid should be the same
3265 [21:03:34] <jim> digidog, you also have to make sure the user number (or userID) matches the files and home dir
3266 [21:04:00] <digidog> Mr-R: oh, good point. yes, without the correct ID the username is like a post man lost in streetnames :p @.@
3267 [21:04:03] <anddam> jmcnaught: already done a copy
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3269 [21:04:13] <Mr-R> digidog: first user on most systems gets uid 1000 and gid 1000. for multiple users it could be a pain...
3270 [21:04:37] <digidog> Mr-R: hm ...
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3272 [21:04:42] <jim> one time I did this same thing, and I wasn't so lucky... so I had to change user IDs in /etc/passwd and group IDs in /etc/group, worked ok after that
3273 [21:05:12] <digidog> Mr-R: jim: changing IDs afterwards sounds not like agood idea to me? ....
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3275 [21:05:33] <digidog> *a good*
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3277 [21:05:43] <jim> if you ever have to edit those files directly... be super careful, make a backup of any files in /etc you end up changing
3278 [21:05:50] <Mr-R> digidog: if /home is on different partition its not so bad. just change the ids in /etc/passwd and /etc/group
3279 [21:05:54] <greycat> If you're sure there are no files owned by users outside /home it's not the worst idea.
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3283 [21:06:58] <Mr-R> greycat: users with important files outside /home? bah. :o)
3284 [21:06:59] <jim> I'm a little curious, what's your situation that you find yourself wanting to share the /home partition like that?
3285 [21:07:15] <jhutchins> digidog: WHat is thepurpose of chopping things up like that?
3286 [21:07:44] <jhutchins> digidog: That kind of partitioning made sence when a 10M disk cost $20,000 and was the size of a washing machine.
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3289 [21:08:04] <digidog> greycat: hm yes true on the other hand again
3290 [21:08:06] <anddam> i tried a couple trick that I found on web, tried -b 8193, -b 32768 and dumpe2fs to see if there were backups
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3293 [21:08:35] <anddam> but even dumpe2fs says "Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock"
3294 [21:08:40] <anddam> any further hint?
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3297 [21:08:49] <digidog> jhutchins: LOL, yeah... old men and habits
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3300 [21:11:15] <digidog> jhutchins: no, seriously, it still makes sense for some purposes, like limiting swp and tmp partitions to force keeping it small or to prevent tmp clutter all over the HD. Maybe its just in my head but it feels more sorted to me like that. And last but not least to have my /home on another disk surely requires to be another partition ;-)
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3304 [21:13:20] <digidog> jim: Well I usually did it the lazy way in the last 2 years: I simply ignored the user folder and put my stuff simply on another disk. But somehow I would like to use the home folder again and simply move around with it. I run several laptops and have to work on 2,3 different working stations and I woudl like to have my files always on the same place in the paths
3305 [21:14:00] <digidog> for batch scripting for example
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3308 [21:15:25] <jim> digidog, hmm... maybe you could have a server with the shares mountable
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3313 [21:16:13] <digidog> jim: greycat: Mr-R: ... but as I sad already ... maybe it is not the best idea to do it that way. there can occure several problems with sym linked scripts or executables etc...
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3316 [21:17:08] <digidog> jim: I already have, but the /home files should not be on a server ;-) for many reasons, first because of size: raw media files
3317 [21:17:46] <digidog> jim: or private docs, etc.
3318 [21:17:51] <jim> it doesn't have to be your whole /home, just a subtree so you can work
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3321 [21:18:39] <digidog> jim: hm
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3324 [21:18:49] <jim> anyway, it's not a complete idea really... you'd have to flesh it out for your situation
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3331 [21:19:59] <jim> there are probably dozens of details in your situation I'm not aware of, that you would have to either keep as is or work around
3332 [21:20:13] <digidog> jim: dont worry, your thoughts on my issue are awesome, thank you for your time. I just go back and forth in mind with it.
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3337 [21:21:09] <jim> when I suggested the network share, I was mostly thinking of your scripts you use for work
3338 [21:21:10] <digidog> @all: I am very thankful for all your input on this since it cleared up some important parts to be aware of
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3340 [21:21:42] <digidog> jim: yeah, that was where I was with you immediatley
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3343 [21:22:42] <digidog> jim: but to have fixed moutn points outside a machine, you know , is sometimes tricky and can cause startup trouble if some connection is broken for a moment .....
3344 [21:22:53] <digidog> *mount* points
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3349 [21:23:16] <jim> sometimes you can mount after the fact
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3351 [21:23:30] <digidog> jim: yeah
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3353 [21:24:09] <digidog> jim: I like both ideas of you, the same user in all systems with home on a seperate disk and the server share ....
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3357 [21:24:36] <digidog> jim: but I still prefer the second :)
3358 [21:24:50] <greycat> A standard NIS/NFS LAN? Yup, been in use for decades.
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3360 [21:25:13] <greycat> Even without NIS, just doing manual user creation/sync across all systems, it's viable if the LAN is small enough.
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3362 [21:25:34] <digidog> greycat: :) ok
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3367 [21:26:49] <jim> digidog, in any case... probably I noticed you like to fiddle, and write scripts and such... so, solutions you get from here would be ideally incomplete so you can work out the details
3368 [21:27:12] <jim> also, I hope you find a way that works
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3380 [21:31:52] <YourMomIsUgly> Hello
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3384 [21:33:08] <Iridos> digidog, you'll have to be a bit more concrete what "take it with you" means
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3395 [21:36:55] <stoned> greycat: you code?
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3397 [21:37:14] <greycat> I bang on the keyboard and get paid for it sometimes. Why?
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3400 [21:37:40] <stoned> Curious. Where do you code? (editor of choice?)
3401 [21:37:42] <toruvinn> haha
3402 [21:37:50] <greycat> vi(m)
3403 [21:38:00] <toruvinn> Wordpad ftw! ;-)
3404 [21:38:33] <stoned> Trying to break free from Netflix and that's the only program I use that's GUI
3405 [21:38:40] <stoned> I mean Beans
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3407 [21:38:44] <teraflops> I switched to nvim recently the process was painless than I supposed
3408 [21:39:02] <stoned> I heard about nvim, it's a fork w/ updates or someting
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3410 [21:39:45] <rawburt> so I upgraded to kernel 4.5 in backports on Jessie since the normal Jessie packages do not have drivers for my laptop
3411 [21:39:49] <stoned> My .. I guess IDE.. requirements as follows: project management, linting, syntax highlighting, smart inline syntax completion (not keystroke based) and debugging.
3412 [21:39:52] <rawburt> and now "No volume groups found"
3413 [21:40:00] <stoned> I think tha'ts it. I'm trying to find something in cli env. that's not gui
3414 [21:40:10] <stoned> Something that can satisfy those needs. So far nothing
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3416 [21:41:17] <teraflops> stoned: vim already does it. Not sure about project management
3417 [21:41:23] <jelly> rawburt: if you got thrown into initramfs, try to manually "vgchange -ay"
3418 [21:42:00] <stoned> I'll check out vim
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3420 [21:42:09] <rawburt> jelly: same message :(
3421 [21:42:12] <stoned> I know emacs. But never tried vim fulltime. Just cursory usage.
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3423 [21:42:28] <stoned> I use Xmonad now too, and mostly don't use mouse at all.
3424 [21:42:35] <rawburt> so weird, I really just "apt-get install linux-image-4.5" and then "reboot"
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3426 [21:42:50] <jelly> rawburt: so boot the older kernel and try to rebuild the initramfs for 4.5 again
3427 [21:43:03] <rawburt> I have booted the older kernel, same thing
3428 [21:43:07] <jelly> ,v initramfs-tools
3429 [21:43:08] <judd> Package: initramfs-tools on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.98.8; squeeze-backports: 0.109.1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.109.1; wheezy-backports: 0.115~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.120+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 0.120+deb8u2; sid: 0.125; stretch: 0.125
3430 [21:43:14] <rawburt> which is even weirder
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3432 [21:43:31] <rawburt> I'm going to try one more time to boot hte older kernel
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3436 [21:43:56] <jelly> then you have no other thing to do but boot a livecd
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3438 [21:44:09] <rawburt> ok I was wrong, it will let me boot off the old kernel
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3444 [21:48:34] <Mathisen> is there any pastebin package in the depian repo ? i want a private pastebin on a server i have
3445 [21:48:43] <greycat> there is pastebinit
3446 [21:48:58] <greycat> ... oh, to *set up* a pastebin of your own? Um... no idea.
3447 [21:49:06] <rawburt> jelly: so when you say rebuild, should I dpkg-reconfigure the 4.5 kernel?
3448 [21:49:29] <rawburt> lsinitramfs is returning quite a bit
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3451 [21:49:50] <jhutchins> "build your own pastebin" returns interesting results on Google.
3452 [21:50:16] <Mathisen> yeah im looking @ replaced-url
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3454 [21:50:27] <LostSoul> Hello
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3457 [21:50:58] <LostSoul> Does anybody faced problem adding user to sudo?
3458 [21:51:09] <greycat> Nope.
3459 [21:51:15] <LostSoul> I added user, I can see in /etc/group that my user is in sudo
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3464 [21:51:33] <greycat> Log out and back in, or "exec su - $LOGNAME" or equivalent to get a shell with the new group.
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3466 [21:52:19] <Mathisen> one more question: will mongodb have any issues with mysql ? mongo dont use same port as default does it ?
3467 [21:52:22] <LostSoul> LOL, it was lame of me, thanks greycat .. :)
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3470 [21:52:53] <greycat> mariadb is the mysql-replacement
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3477 [21:54:00] <Mathisen> greycat, can you explain pls im not a linux guru :) i need mongodb >= 2.6 for this to work but i got mysql in use on the machine in question
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3480 [21:54:18] <Mathisen> are you sayig i cant use both ?
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3482 [21:54:24] <greycat> mongodb and mysql have *nothing* to do with each other as far as I can see from the package description
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3487 [21:54:45] <stoned> one is a relational db, one is nosql
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3489 [21:55:16] <stoned> you require nosql db it seems. Just install the mongo packages and you should be ok. Then you only need specific lang. bindings for your project
3490 [21:55:23] <stoned> php, ruby, python, whateve ryou use
3491 [21:55:33] <Mathisen> okej thx!
3492 [21:55:38] <greycat> I guess he's asking if there's a problem installing both on the same machine. I don't know of any reason there would be.
3493 [21:55:42] <stoned> no, ther eis not
3494 [21:55:49] <stoned> You can have multiple db engines on one server
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3496 [21:56:17] <stoned> you shouldn't, for large proejcts and w/ more traffic/load, but for simple stuff it doesn't matter I think
3497 [21:56:27] <Mathisen> they just cant use the same port right ? otherwise i can have 10 mysql servers running for example ?
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3499 [21:56:38] <Mathisen> it is only the ports that mathers right ?
3500 [21:56:40] <stoned> you won't be using mysql.
3501 [21:56:45] <Mathisen> i know that
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3505 [21:56:50] <stoned> If you're not using mysql, you should probalby remove it.
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3508 [21:56:58] <stoned> don't install server services you don't use or need.
3509 [21:57:01] <Mathisen> i use it for other things
3510 [21:57:05] <greycat> I would not recommend running 10 concurrent instances of the mysql server on one machine.
3511 [21:57:05] <Mathisen> Openvas
3512 [21:57:07] <stoned> (for security sake). ohok
3513 [21:57:16] <stoned> Mathisen: they all share the socket connection, yes
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3516 [21:57:44] <stoned> Mathisen: you don't launch multiple copies of the db engine, only one, to which many users can connect. It's a multi process and multi user software
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3530 [22:01:34] <jhutchins> Theoretically, you could have multiple mysql instances on the same machine.
3531 [22:01:53] <jhutchins> Practically there would be no good reason to do that.
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3534 [22:02:59] <jhutchins> Particularly in a development environment, it's not unusual to have multiple DB servers on one box. RedHat Satellite (their server manger) runs both Oracle and some sort of sql on the same box.
3535 [22:03:10] <Mathisen> yeah i get that was just asking so i know i understood it right
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3538 [22:03:45] <jhutchins> Mathisen: With sufficient hackery, there are very few programs that can only run one instance on a server.
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3541 [22:04:05] <jhutchins> Mathisen: Then there are containers, which can run multiple instances of a program.
3542 [22:04:14] <Mathisen> like docky
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3544 [22:04:24] <Mathisen> docker
3545 [22:04:28] <Mathisen> :)
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3550 [22:06:09] <jhutchins> Yep.
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3557 [22:08:17] <jelly> rawburt: I mean update-initramfs ... that's what configuration of the kernel package does, too
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3585 [22:19:50] <Mathisen> so i have never used npm before i get this error " The package grunt does not satisfy its siblings' peerDependencies requirements! " <> " Peer grunt-run-grunt@0.1.4 wants grunt@~0.4.1 " how can i solve this ?
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3589 [22:20:40] <greycat> !npm
3590 [22:20:41] <dpkg> node package manager (npm) is used to install <node.js> packages.
3591 [22:20:50] <greycat> um, good luck?
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3595 [22:23:02] <jelly> three cheers for language-specific package managers
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3600 [22:24:46] <Circuitsoft> Has anyone, yet, come up with a distribution package manger with plugin support, to handle (eg) cpan, npm, pypi, etc?
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3604 [22:25:52] <Mathisen> so this means im doomed ?
3605 [22:26:11] <greycat> It means you probably have to ask someone who knows node.js and npm.
3606 [22:26:31] <Mathisen> any channel for that ?
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3609 [22:27:07] <greycat> ##node.js has a whopping 5 people
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3611 [22:27:18] <greycat> #node.js has 1252
3612 [22:27:28] <greycat> Which ones did YOU check?
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3624 [22:31:51] <tihsllub> blah
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3626 [22:31:59] <jelly> blah?
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3632 [22:32:24] <tihsllub> (it is like mike test 1 2 ...3)
3633 [22:32:28] <tihsllub> (sorry)
3634 [22:32:50] <tihsllub> to confirm it was working :)
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3636 [22:33:34] <jelly> next time test by asking your support question!
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3638 [22:33:56] <tihsllub> dont need support today :) thank you
3639 [22:34:13] <tihsllub> but supporting debian is great
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3736 [23:08:57] <mdim> hi all
3737 [23:09:14] <mdim> is there a way to send an archive or a file to a debootstrap/cowbuilder image? Or to somehow share it?
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3740 [23:09:48] <mdim> I'm trying to run a script automatically, which would need some custom files in the image that are usually not there
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3744 [23:11:16] <TomTomTosch> mdim: can you wget those files afterwards?
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3746 [23:12:07] <SQL> I chose my username poorly lol
3747 [23:12:09] <RobinC> When i did that before (which is many years ago now) i use to put other dependencies as custom debs in my own apt repro which was included in the source.lst in the cowbuilder images, then i just set those debs as a build dep for the deb being built
3748 [23:12:15] <SQL> lotsa pings here regarding sql...
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3792 [23:33:26] <mdim> TomTomTosch: well, I want to do an analysis on every package from Stretch amd64. I'd like to be able to use a local mirror/copy such that I don't have to fetch the packages from elsewhere. For every package analyzed, I would just need a custom setup for an analysis tool
3793 [23:33:43] <mdim> that's why I wanted to somehow share (maybe mount?) an archive or a directory
3794 [23:34:16] <mdim> RobinC: a good idea. However, as just mentioned, I want to do something automatically for thousands of packages, so what you propose wouldn't scale
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3802 [23:36:15] <digidog> jim: greycat: Mr-R: thanks a million for your thoughts on this. it helped me a lot to sirt things out. you are awesome!
3803 [23:36:27] <digidog> jim++
3804 [23:36:30] <digidog> greycat++
3805 [23:36:36] <digidog> Mr-R++
3806 [23:36:44] <digidog> jhutchins++
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3815 [23:41:16] <Mathisen> question again: i have setup a "private" pastebin but now i want to make sure that it cant be abused.. how can i limit a folder size ? i dont want someone to be able to spam content to make it take HUGE space ?
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3817 [23:41:45] <zz> Hi, I'm trying to get SSH keys working with ssh, but I keep getting "server refused key"?
3818 [23:42:03] <dondelelcaro> Mathisen: you could use quotas, or alternatively, just mount a small filesystem for the pastebin
3819 [23:42:09] <zz> (i have tried with different 4096 bit pairs 3 times)
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3821 [23:42:19] <dondelelcaro> Mathisen: presumably the pastebin sersver also has limits
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3823 [23:42:31] <dondelelcaro> zz: check to see what the server's auth.log says
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3825 [23:43:44] <TomTomTosch> mdim: there are tools to create a local repository, not sure how that relates to your problem though. sounds more like you want to have a simple wrapper for apt-get install.
3826 [23:44:27] <digidog> Iridos: ? I was talking in detail about a /home partition and the mobility to use this partition on other machines with Debian installed in many ways over the chat. Not sure how to become more concrete here. But never mind, thanks for asking.
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3828 [23:44:45] <zz> Apr 26 13:43:55 carbon sshd[30453]: Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for file /home/luke/.ssh/authorized_keys
3829 [23:44:47] <zz> ah
3830 [23:44:53] <zz> How should I fix this?
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3832 [23:45:36] <cmtptr> zz, chmod 700 .ssh; chmod 600 .ssh/authorized_keys
3833 [23:45:54] <zz> thanks, ill try
3834 [23:46:02] <cmtptr> and/or chown -R luke:luke .ssh
3835 [23:46:03] <koollman> ssh doesn't like when files are too accessible
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3838 [23:47:13] <mdim> TomTomTosch: I have a local mirror set up with debmirror. Anyhow, I figured out what I need - a customized image with the analysis tool already installed because this is needed in the same way for every package to be built
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