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• 1[00:00:56] <wewlad> I remember there was some shorter/easier way than 'dpkg -l | grep something', what was it?
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• 3[00:01:24] <reisio> there are so many
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• 10[00:03:10] <reisio> dpkg-query --show foo
• 11[00:03:40] <wewlad> eh, will never remember that, since it's not 'dpkg -query …'
• 12[00:03:43] <wewlad> :(
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• 20[00:05:05] <wewlad> is 'apt-get update' the same as 'apt update'?
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• 22[00:05:32] <markybob> wewlad: yes
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• 26[00:07:03] <reisio> get thee to an aliasery
• 27[00:07:21] <wewlad> I do alias things
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• 29[00:07:33] <wewlad> but I don't know how to explore system aliases
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• 36[00:10:20] <wewlad> what if 1. I enable backports 2. I install something from backports 3. I disable backports 4. an update for that something comes out - will apt-get upgrade pull the update for that something installed from backports?
• 37[00:10:33] <jordanm> no
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• 40[00:11:31] <wewlad> that's bad; then should I worry that after enabling backports that some of my stable utils will get updated to something from backports when I apt-get upgrade?
• 41[00:12:09] <markybob> no
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• 43[00:12:14] <markybob> that's not how backports work
• 44[00:12:18] <wewlad> that's good
• 45[00:12:26] <mimi89999_phone> How can I list packages installed from external repos (other than the main repo)?
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• 47[00:12:47] <wewlad> I remember there was something about setting 'weights' (or priority) for repos in sources.list, but I never bothered to change them
• 48[00:12:59] <LtL> wewlad: backports require a slight difference in package retrieval syntax
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• 52[00:13:56] <LtL> wewlad: and a sources.list mod, which you probably know
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• 55[00:14:31] <wewlad> LtL: yeah, I know about the mod, but what about the difference?
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• 57[00:14:50] <markybob> wewlad: you have to specify -t jessie-backports with apt-get
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• 59[00:15:28] <wewlad> sunova... how do I know where did I just install wine-development from?
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• 61[00:15:44] <loaps> Install and configuration Debian replaced-url
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• 63[00:16:28] <wewlad> that page never loads
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• 66[00:16:48] <loaps> which browser?
• 67[00:16:52] <wewlad> firefox
• 68[00:16:57] <wewlad> also, why not utoob?
• 69[00:17:05] <loaps> try chrome or safari
• 70[00:17:08] <wewlad> nothx
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• 72[00:17:25] <loaps> ok :)
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• 74[00:18:13] <wewlad> that page is infected
• 75[00:18:23] <loaps> what lol
• 76[00:18:42] <loaps> this is just my video
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• 78[00:18:44] <wewlad> I'm telling you, just take a look what it hooks up
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• 80[00:18:45] <markybob> firefox wasn't even included in Pwn2Own 2016 because it was "too easy to hack" ...so there's that
• 81[00:19:03] <wewlad> no :(
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• 83[00:19:13] <jmcnaught> wewlad: use "apt-cache policy <pacakge>" to see which version is installed, what the candidates are
• 84[00:19:23] <wewlad> thx jmcnaught
• 85[00:19:47] <wewlad> jmcnaught: does j stand for 'jimmy' in your nickname?
• 86[00:19:53] <reisio> they're all too easy to hack
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• 90[00:21:01] <teraflops> markybob: hehe
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• 92[00:21:11] <wewlad> jmcnaught: I don't quite get the output replaced-url
• 93[00:21:46] <wewlad> oh, I guess I installed a version from jessie/main
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• 99[00:23:57] <wewlad> I've just did 'apt-get remove wine-development', now I tried to install it from backports and I end up with an error saying that some packages have unmet dependencies and that debian was unable to correct problems and I have held broken packages
• 100[00:24:09] <wewlad> whatdoido.jpg
• 101[00:24:34] <polyphagia> which packages wewlad
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• 103[00:24:47] <polyphagia> what's apt-get install -f's solution?
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• 105[00:25:55] <wewlad> polyphagia: libglib2.0-0:i386 (>= 2.12.0), libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0:i386 (>= 1.0.0), libgstreamer1.0-0:i386 (>= 1.4.0) + it recommends fonts-wine:i386
• 106[00:26:17] <wewlad> but there's no fonts-wine-development/jessie-backports :(
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• 108[00:27:10] <wewlad> polyphagia: replaced-url
• 109[00:27:24] <wewlad> should I autoremove them?
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• 111[00:27:45] <jmcnaught> wewlad: which part don't you understand? The Candidate version is the one that would be installed by default. The version table shows the versions available
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• 113[00:28:47] <wewlad> jmcnaught: thx, got it after all
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• 115[00:30:51] <wewlad> man for apt-get is unreadable
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• 118[00:31:56] <LtL> wewlad: man apt then
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• 122[00:34:14] <wewlad> apt -f: command line option 'f' [from -f] is not known.
• 123[00:34:14] <apt> wewlad: what are you talking about?
• 124[00:34:42] <wewlad> apt: sir, could you fix dependencies for me?
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• 126[00:36:06] <jmcnaught> wewlad: apt is a bot
• 127[00:36:35] <cybearg> Just installed Debian (first time user). I want the computer to be a headless Linux client with a static IP. I've correctly specified /etc/network/interfaces, but upon reboot, the computer still gets assigned a dynamic IP. If I run "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" THEN I get the correct static IP, but adding the line into /etc/rc.local . If I call rc.local, it works just fine. Permissions are correct. What's wrong? PB: replaced-url
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• 129[00:37:16] <wewlad> jmcnaught: I know, it's just everyone else keeps silent and I don't know how to pass by the error about unmet dependencies, the '-f' option didn't clear anything out for me
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• 131[00:37:36] <cybearg> ... "after adding the line into /etc/rc.local, rc.local must not get run on boot"
• 132[00:38:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1608
• 133[00:38:36] <LtL> wewlad: apt-get -f install can sometimes fix broken dependancies
• 134[00:38:51] <RoyK> - The best way to get an answer on the Internet is not to as a question, but deliberately post an incorrect answer. People are quicker to correct you than to answer an inquiry. It's called Godwin's law.
• 135[00:39:27] <jmcnaught> wewlad: did you make a paste with the command used and the complete output?
• 136[00:40:15] <RoyK> cybearg: did you install it with a GUI?
• 137[00:40:24] <cmtptr> RoyK, you almost got me with that
• 138[00:40:35] <wewlad> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 140[00:40:43] <cybearg> RoyK: Yes, but I've since set it to boot to console.
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• 142[00:41:06] <RoyK> perhaps networkmanager is messing things up
• 143[00:41:27] <cybearg> RoyK: NetworkManager is not installed.
• 144[00:41:45] <RoyK> pastebin /etc/network/interfaces, please
• 145[00:41:59] <cybearg> RoyK: replaced-url
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• 147[00:42:52] <RoyK> only wireless?
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• 150[00:43:27] <cybearg> RoyK: Yes. I commented out the eth0 in case it was interfering somehow (throwing everything at the wall to hope something stuck)
• 151[00:43:33] <teraflops> cybearg: do you use any encryption with the wireless interface?
• 152[00:43:40] <cybearg> teraflops: No
• 153[00:43:42] <teraflops> ah
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• 156[00:44:12] <RoyK> cybearg: where did you set SSID etc?
• 157[00:44:35] <teraflops> cybearg: try adding allow-hotplug wlan0
• 158[00:45:01] <cybearg> RoyK: I did that in the GUI before switching to boot to console.
• 159[00:45:20] <cybearg> teraflops: I have tried that in the past and I didn't see it make a difference, but I will try again.
• 160[00:45:25] <teraflops> cybearg: wat
• 161[00:45:28] <RoyK> teraflops: really, auto is better
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• 163[00:45:56] <teraflops> RoyK: you can use both at the same time
• 164[00:46:18] <teraflops> cybearg: I smell you are still using networkmanager
• 165[00:46:30] <RoyK> really shouldn't matter
• 166[00:46:31] <cybearg> teraflops: Is there a way to confirm it's running?
• 167[00:46:35] <teraflops> yes
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• 169[00:46:38] <wewlad> help
• 170[00:46:41] <RoyK> cybearg: dpkg -l | grep -i network.*man
• 171[00:46:56] <teraflops> nope
• 172[00:47:02] <teraflops> systemctl status
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• 174[00:48:10] <teraflops> it has tab completion
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• 176[00:49:02] <jmcnaught> wewlad: use "apt-get -t jessie-backports wine-development", the way you're doing it only selects the backports versions for those two specific packages, not the dependencies they need from backports
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• 178[00:49:20] <cybearg> teraflops: systemctl status gives me "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -l"
• 179[00:49:34] <cybearg> RoyK: Your command got me several listings, so maybe it is installed and I didn't realize it.
• 180[00:49:46] <teraflops> cybearg: ^ I dont have a debian machine at hand running NM, so `systemctl status NetworkManager`
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• 182[00:50:08] <cybearg> teraflops: Same result
• 183[00:50:13] <teraflops> idk if it's _NetworkManager_
• 184[00:50:33] <cybearg> I'm new, so I don't know, either.
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• 186[00:51:03] <wewlad> jmcnaught: thanks! it worked
• 187[00:51:04] <teraflops> cybearg: well it's impossible youre connected to your wireless ap with that interfaces file
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• 190[00:51:17] <teraflops> since it does not especify any ap to associate with
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• 193[00:51:42] <RoyK> systemctl | grep -i net.*man
• 194[00:51:43] <teraflops> so my guess is that youre running other daemon for managing the network
• 195[00:51:46] <RoyK> should work
• 196[00:52:51] <RoyK> cybearg: don't install gui things on a server - it just messes things up
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• 198[00:53:37] <cybearg> RoyK: I get an error running that command: "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1"
• 199[00:54:02] <cybearg> I'm still very new to Linux, so the GUI was more as a back-up in case I found the console too frustrating to rely entirely on.
• 200[00:54:08] <RoyK> then something is messed up badly
• 201[00:54:22] <RoyK> is this x86/x64?
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• 205[00:54:40] <markybob> cybearg: you could just use nmtui since your interfaces is fucked anyway
• 206[00:54:53] <cybearg> RoyK: Yes. I have an old Intel Core2 Duo Dell that I hesitated to throw out, thinking it could be a low-power Plex media server.
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• 208[00:55:15] <teraflops> cybearg: is that jessie? also ps xa | grep -i network
• 209[00:55:51] <cybearg> teraflops: I got the latest version of jessie yesterday, yes. lxde
• 210[00:55:56] <RoyK> teraflops: it's probably jessie if systemd is involved :P
• 211[00:56:17] <RoyK> cybearg: lxcd on a server?
• 212[00:56:26] <cybearg> teraflop: I got 2820 pts/2 S+ 0:00 grep -i network
• 213[00:56:35] <cybearg> RoyK: Don't assume I know what I'm doing. :)
• 214[00:57:14] <RoyK> cybearg: if you don't have anything there, just reinstall without any desktop things, just ssh and base stuff
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• 218[00:57:34] <RoyK> cybearg: start from scratch - less hassle
• 219[00:57:55] <jmcnaught> cybearg: i looked at your interfaces paste, is it also not indented on your system?
• 220[00:58:16] <RoyK> the wifi setup will be a bit harder, editing config files etc, but you'll learn
• 221[00:58:18] <cybearg> RoyK: Alright, I'll give that a try.
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• 223[00:58:29] <cybearg> jmcnaught: No indentation. I didn't know it made a difference.
• 224[00:58:30] <teraflops> cybearg: reinstalling why?
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• 226[00:58:36] <jmcnaught> cybearg: instead of reinstalling you could look at replaced-url
• 227[00:58:48] <cybearg> teraflops: I guess to clear out whatever thing I did wrong?
• 228[00:59:09] <RoyK> jmcnaught: really, he should reinstall the box as a server - it's setup as a workstation now
• 229[00:59:11] <teraflops> cybearg: just systemctl stop net^tab as root
• 230[00:59:14] <jmcnaught> cybearg: if networkmanager was involved, it won't interfere with interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces by default on jessie (unless you changed that)
• 231[00:59:22] <teraflops> or Net^
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• 234[00:59:39] <RoyK> jmcnaught: he'll learn more by reinstalling it as a server
• 235[00:59:47] <cybearg> jmcnaught: I'm pretty sure I already followed those instructions.
• 236[01:00:04] <jmcnaught> RoyK: *shrug* he could also just remove the GUI related packages
• 237[01:00:10] <teraflops> RoyK: please stop with the reinstall thingy.
• 238[01:00:17] <cybearg> teraflops: Same error about failing to get D-Bus connection
• 239[01:00:18] <RoyK> nah
• 240[01:00:19] <jmcnaught> cybearg: take another look then, pay attention to how things are indented
• 241[01:00:46] <teraflops> cybearg: where are you? tty? xorg?
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• 243[01:01:04] <RoyK> teraflops: the thing is, if you're new to linux, and you make a mess, it's easier to learn things by starting from scrach
• 244[01:01:09] <cybearg> jmcnaught: I got a couple Raspberry Pis, and neither of them use indentation in their /etc/network/interfaces
• 245[01:01:25] <cybearg> jmcnaught: That's running Raspbian, by the way.
• 246[01:01:28] <RoyK> teraflops: debugging shite you don't know will take hours and may make you beleive linux sucks
• 247[01:01:39] <cybearg> teraflops: I don't understand that question, sorry
• 248[01:01:44] <jmcnaught> cybearg: is this device running raspbian? if so you're in the wrong channel
• 249[01:01:49] <RoyK> cybearg: indentation doesn't matter
• 250[01:01:56] <cybearg> jmcnaught: No it's not, but they're both Debian, no?
• 251[01:02:04] <teraflops> cybearg: raspbian? this is for debian ;)
• 252[01:02:04] <RoyK> it just makes it look neat
• 253[01:02:29] <cybearg> teraflops: I know. I'm just pointing out that I don't see why indentation would matter in one fork of Debian but not another.
• 254[01:02:38] <RoyK> teraflops: indentation in the interfaces file doesn't matter in debian either - raspbian is just a debian fork
• 255[01:03:15] <teraflops> cybearg: I have several arm thingies running real debian, i never get dbus nonsense doing systemctl in tty or vt
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• 259[01:03:38] <teraflops> hey I said nothing about indentation :P
• 260[01:03:41] <teraflops> lel
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• 265[01:05:19] <jmcnaught> ahhh.. i see stanzas don't have to be indented
• 266[01:05:28] <RoyK> cybearg: btw, there's a jessie fork for the pi
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• 270[01:05:49] <RoyK> I'm using that on a number of units
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• 272[01:06:05] <cybearg> RoyK: Yeah, I know. I'll be installing that on my Pis soon. One's got something odd going on with its networking, too.
• 273[01:06:22] <cybearg> Thanks for the input, everyone. For now, I'll just go with a clean reinstall and start from scratch.
• 274[01:06:35] <markybob> the main issue is what the fuck is wrong with your systemctl...i've never seen that before
• 275[01:06:55] <cybearg> markybob: I couldn't speculate.
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• 280[01:07:50] <cybearg> It's an unfortunate waste of 8 hours or so trying to get it to work so far, though.
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• 283[01:09:16] <devster31> so I have USERGROUPS enabled in login defs, the default umask is 022 which gets relaxed to 002, however when I sudo -i the umask for root is still 022, why is that?
• 284[01:09:20] <devster31> I also added the relevant session optional pam_umask.so line to the /etc/pam.d/common-session
• 285[01:09:25] <RoyK> cybearg: and smartguys like teraflops will help you solve your problem in only 16 more hours >:)
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• 287[01:10:09] <teraflops> RoyK: nah it's about that it can be a respbian thing we are not aware of
• 288[01:10:37] <cybearg> teraflops: It's not a Raspbian thing. I'm installing Debian on this old Dell.
• 289[01:10:38] <RoyK> teraflops: no, it's not
• 290[01:10:50] <teraflops> ah :S
• 291[01:11:19] <cybearg> teraflops: But my only prior experience was with Raspbian, which is what inclined me toward using Debian. Sorry for the confusion.
• 292[01:11:21] <teraflops> cybearg: sorry then i totally misunderstood
• 293[01:12:07] <teraflops> cybearg: so, from where are you runing systemctl tty (no Xorg) or from the desktop environment via terminal?
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• 295[01:12:51] <cybearg> teraflops: I was running it via an SSH connection. I'm not sure where that would fall.
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• 297[01:12:55] <RoyK> teraflops: if you setup a system with desktop things, a lot is handled differently
• 298[01:13:09] <teraflops> cybearg: and _how_ sis you set the computer to _headless mode_
• 299[01:13:16] <teraflops> RoyK: not really
• 300[01:13:17] <RoyK> cybearg: just start from scratch - it's not hard
• 301[01:13:18] <jmcnaught> cybearg: do you have libpam-systemd installed?
• 302[01:13:25] <teraflops> did*
• 303[01:13:28] <cybearg> RoyK: I'm already working on it
• 304[01:13:45] <cybearg> jmcnaught: I'll get back to you on that kind of stuff. I'm reinstalling for now.
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• 306[01:14:05] <tytan> hello, everyone. when will kde plasma 5 be avaolable for debian users?
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• 308[01:14:14] <RoyK> teraflops: as I said, if you start out with linux with little knowledge, and you have to work your way back to fix things, it just make things harder
• 309[01:14:16] <jmcnaught> cybearg: fair enough. i reinstalled a few times when i got started too, but there's also value in learning how to solve problems without having to reinstall
• 310[01:14:19] <cybearg> teraflops: Nothing to set up, really. I just use PuTTY to connect via SSH. It just worked, as long as the IP doesn't change on me.
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• 312[01:14:37] <teraflops> cybearg: so " cybearg ⎸ RoyK: I did that in the GUI before switching to boot to console. "
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• 314[01:14:53] <teraflops> you did nothing right?
• 315[01:15:04] <cybearg> cybearg: Yes, I did a some stuff directly, but that command you mentioned I ran via SSH.
• 316[01:15:19] <jmcnaught> tytan: in the next release. new stuff doesn't generally gets added to a Debian Stable release, "stable" means "no surprises" in this context
• 317[01:15:43] <cybearg> teraflops: Oh, I see what you mean now. I thought you were asking how I set up SSH.
• 318[01:15:44] <tytan> jmcnaught: ok, thank you very much
• 319[01:15:52] <RoyK> replaced-url
• 320[01:15:58] <markybob> tytan: freeze is 2017-02-05 to give you an idea
• 321[01:16:15] <tytan> markybob: oh, damn
• 322[01:16:17] <teraflops> cybearg: in other words for the sake of clarity, how did you set the computer to _boot to console_
• 323[01:16:22] <teraflops> cybearg: heh
• 324[01:16:57] <teraflops> RoyK: heh
• 325[01:16:58] <cybearg> teraflops: I don't recall exactly, but it involved modifying the Grub config and that was about it.
• 326[01:17:04] <jmcnaught> tytan: it's great because your computer keeps working the same say every day so you can do stuff besides fix/tweak your computer
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• 329[01:17:38] <tytan> I agree on that
• 330[01:17:43] <teraflops> cybearg: grub? why?
• 331[01:18:00] <cybearg> teraflops: Because that's what Google said to do.
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• 334[01:18:13] <teraflops> cybearg: im stunned
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• 336[01:18:45] <tytan> have a good night everyone
• 337[01:18:50] <teraflops> tytan: gn
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• 339[01:18:56] <cybearg> gn
• 340[01:19:00] <jmcnaught> cybearg: you should consider learning Debian with these resources: replaced-url
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• 342[01:19:12] <teraflops> jmcnaught: amen
• 343[01:19:44] <teraflops> cybearg: at this point (the grub affaire) im not sure if I can help
• 344[01:20:23] <cybearg> teraflops: I'm reinstalling, anyway, so don't worry about it for now.
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• 346[01:20:32] <teraflops> cybearg: can you un-do whatever you did and boot to the graphical target again, i believe is related to your issue
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• 348[01:20:43] <bipul> I don't know where i am doing mistake with my debian/rules replaced-url
• 349[01:20:59] <teraflops> cybearg: if you want a headless server go eith the netinstall and install barebones
• 350[01:21:09] <teraflops> with*
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• 352[01:21:58] <teraflops> just base system no DE at all
• 353[01:22:06] <cybearg> teraflops: I was just going to install Debian standard via USB.
• 354[01:22:24] <jmcnaught> bipul: seems like it's complaining about tabs vs spaces in line 3 of that file.
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• 356[01:22:47] <teraflops> ok, also if you do not want to boot to desktop environmemt just disable the DM ...
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• 359[01:23:38] <teraflops> cybearg: do not mess with grub random params to boot to a nightmare
• 360[01:23:51] <cybearg> teraflops: I'll keep that in mind for the future
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• 362[01:23:53] <markybob> without systemctl working that might be a problem. maybe update-rc.d -f would work
• 363[01:24:50] <teraflops> cybearg: anyway if you want to do some research just edit /etc/default/grub delete what you added an update-grub I suppose
• 364[01:25:42] <bipul> jmcnaught, yes,do you know how to make correction? I have google it out and found this :%s/^[ ]\+/^I/ source replaced-url
• 365[01:26:13] <jmcnaught> bipul: maybe if you showed the file you're having a problem with
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• 367[01:27:30] <maroloccio> does anybody have a stretch box on which to run an extremely simple test? (i know.. /topic) just 2 lines of bash
• 368[01:27:39] <awwal> Running xfce&openbox. Touchpad scrolling is done with two fingers here. I dont know if it's the default in debian too or it's my own configuration I done under gnome settings time ago (I remember I have chosen the option "scroll with two fingers" for touchpad) and that configuration still saved somewhere even if gnome is completly removed. All fine but I want to reduce the sensibility of the touchpad when scrolling with two fingers. Any suggestion?
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• 379[01:39:12] <bipul> jmcnaught, sure
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• 381[01:39:31] <jmcnaught> awwal: have you looked at replaced-url
• 382[01:40:15] <awwal> my synclient settings replaced-url
• 383[01:40:38] <awwal> jmcnaught, sure, but dont know what to change in that synclient settings
• 384[01:40:53] <bipul> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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• 387[01:41:41] <jmcnaught> awwal: i always disable my touchpad :) but have you tried configuring it in a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ?
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• 389[01:42:30] <awwal> jmcnaught, havent tried to do something via that file
• 390[01:42:51] <awwal> I have my touchpad disabled, but strangely scrolling still working
• 391[01:43:06] <jml2> can use ~/.xsessionrc
• 392[01:43:44] <jmcnaught> awwal: i think scrolling and pointing are configured separately, but again i'm not the most familiar
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• 399[01:44:51] <awwal> jmcnaught, seems logical yeah (scrolling/pointing configured separately)
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• 402[01:45:02] <jmcnaught> bipul: was the file like that when you got the error? it seems like you're consistently using tabs now. are you following the new maintainer's guide?
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• 406[01:46:59] <teraflops> awwal: mine with tapping and 2 finger scrolling enabled. do not paste it blindly to your config. look at it and create your own one. replaced-url
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• 409[01:48:07] <teraflops> ^/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf
• 410[01:48:10] <bipul> jmcnaught, I am using this replaced-url
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• 413[01:48:50] <awwal> teraflops, ok, i'll look at it that file thanks!
• 414[01:48:54] <teraflops> np
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• 416[01:49:28] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell bipul about nmg
• 417[01:49:56] <jmcnaught> bipul: dpkg bot just sent you a link to another guide that is quite good, i'm part-way through it myself
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• 423[01:50:58] <bipul> sure thank you
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• 435[01:55:42] <johnfg> Is there a way to clean up /var/spool? That's where the greatest usage is.
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• 437[01:57:28] <doebi> how to effectively fix such issue? "./app: error while loading shared libraries: libfoo.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
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• 441[01:58:48] <teraflops> LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/libfoo.so.1 /app ?
• 442[01:58:59] <teraflops> ./app^
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• 447[02:00:29] <doebi> teraflops: lol no
• 448[02:00:48] <doebi> ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfoo.so.1' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64): ignored
• 449[02:01:10] <doebi> hmm?
• 450[02:01:13] <doebi> multiarch
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• 452[02:01:51] <teraflops> doebi: then install the proper package that provides the lib or ./configure it so it knows the path to it?
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• 456[02:02:31] <doebi> teraflops: easier said than done
• 457[02:03:03] <teraflops> sure :P
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• 466[02:05:57] <jml2> (there's also LD_LIBRARY_PATH -- can do multiple paths with it)
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• 468[02:06:54] <cybearg> teraflops: I just finished reinstalling Debian and installed the driver package needed for my crap linksys PCI network card. What command do I run for Debian to now detect the driver installation and show the wireless device within ifconfig?
• 469[02:07:15] <doebi> sometimes i really hate linux. i know end up reading docs about multiarch library and dependency management, after downloading and trying to run a compiled binary.
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• 474[02:10:48] <jml2> doebi, not debian's fault though
• 475[02:10:55] <jml2> doebi, it's your fault
• 476[02:10:57] <jml2> :)
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• 483[02:14:50] <doebi> jml2: how is it my fault, that i expect the proclaimed output, of install instructions, i followed precisely, to happen?
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• 485[02:15:32] <jml2> doebi, it's your fault because debian has no contract in promising to have an outside package to work properly.. that's the fault of the administrator's
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• 487[02:16:13] <jml2> doebi, if you want to rant how shit debian is, this is not the place to do it.
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• 491[02:16:39] <arahael> guys, this is unhelpful.
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• 494[02:17:58] <arahael> doebi: if you are attempting to get a binary not designed for your OS, to work on your OS, using wine, whatever, or even just hoping that all the syscalls and library ABI's match up,
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• 498[02:18:23] <arahael> doebi: then you're going to have an "interesting" time, with all the meanings of that word.
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• 505[02:19:45] <arahael> doebi: simply running the same kernel is nearly meaningless. android runs linux, but you can't mix binaries there. the bsd's do not run the same kernel, yet they can sometimes run linux binaries. heck, windows can now run (Ubuntu 64-bit) binaries.
• 506[02:20:01] <jrabbit> is there a conflict with some of the gnutls libraries?
• 507[02:20:18] <jml2> jrabbit, i believe for some packages there is
• 508[02:20:23] <jml2> jrabbit, i've seen this
• 509[02:20:28] <jrabbit> is there a bug?
• 510[02:20:32] <arahael> doebi: so, the kernel is irrelevant. the question is: does it support your OS? if not, you will likely have an interesting time of it.
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• 512[02:20:47] <jml2> jrabbit, dont think its a bug.. its the package requirements
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• 514[02:20:56] <jml2> jrabbit, i think there's a few though
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• 517[02:21:26] <jml2> jrabbit, iirc the usage of gnutls is being discouraged among developers
• 518[02:21:38] <arahael> jml2: sorry, i felt your explaination was rather standoffish and discouraging.
• 519[02:22:12] <jml2> jrabbit, i'd place my concern with the upstream projects in shifting away from relying on it
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• 521[02:23:25] <jrabbit> jml2: idk it's breaking my production stuff :\ aptitude will solve it
• 522[02:23:55] <jml2> jrabbit, may be that you have better replacements in backports (use -t jessie-backports)
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• 525[02:24:44] <jrabbit> well I'm between jessie and testing (for taskd specifically)
• 526[02:25:19] <jml2> it's a bit of a problem for some packages, they're using competing security dependencies..
• 527[02:25:27] <jrabbit> ok it seems like the hogweed lbirary used by the gpg is old
• 528[02:25:58] <jrabbit> it's frustrating because this is a popular docker image (python:2.7-slim)
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• 532[02:28:34] <jrabbit> ah I think the solution for me might bw to use the official debian and use the builtin python
• 533[02:28:43] <jml2> jrabbit, docker images should just run.. maybe you're not setting up the docker things correctly
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• 537[02:30:29] <jml2> jrabbit, or it could be python edition is not correct -- you can actually have more than one python edition installed at the same time
• 538[02:30:46] <teraflops> cybearg: you will need wireless-tools and wpasupplicant at least
• 539[02:31:05] <jrabbit> jml2: well I'm extending the python image
• 540[02:31:12] <cybearg> teraflops: I've got it figured out, but thanks!
• 541[02:31:16] <teraflops> cybearg: im not aware if your wireless nic requires firmware
• 542[02:31:33] <jrabbit> it's just a trade-off to roll my own python ontop of the strech image
• 543[02:31:41] <teraflops> cybearg: then set it up in your /etc/network/interfaces
• 544[02:31:41] <jml2> cybearg, dmesg |grep -i fail , would indicate the missing firmware
• 545[02:31:53] <cybearg> teraflops: It did, but I got it installed and working. IT was much easier than the first time.
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• 548[02:33:11] <teraflops> heh
• 549[02:33:58] <teraflops> cybearg: you'll need wpa-ssid and wpa-psk entries in /etc/network/interfaces this time
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• 551[02:34:36] <teraflops> as replaced-url
• 552[02:34:39] <cybearg> teraflops: Got those added and it works just fine
• 553[02:34:44] <teraflops> nice
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• 556[02:34:56] <cybearg> teraflops: Yes, I followed that to a T this time. I see what I did wrong.
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• 559[02:36:21] <teraflops> cybearg: well now you have a working headless machine for fun and profit
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• 562[02:37:54] <cybearg> terraflops: Here's hoping it can run as a plex media server, or else I really don't have a great deal of use for it beyond just not feeling bad for tossing out a functional computer.
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• 567[02:39:35] <teraflops> cybearg: hmm i dont know plex, it's a dlna/upnp thing?
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• 571[02:41:16] <cybearg> teraflops: Something like that, I guess. It has very nice clients across lots of platforms, including Chromecast. Not sure if a Core 2 Duo has enough power to handle the transcoding, but it's worth a shot, I guess.
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• 578[02:42:03] <teraflops> cybearg: hmm yeah it's worth a try
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• 584[02:44:04] <teraflops> cybearg: if it hurts you can do other things there. like sharing the media without transcoding, or setting up mpd for sharing the music (has many clients), nas for backups and so on
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• 589[02:48:05] <cybearg> teraflops: I'm using my RaspberryPi2 as the NAS. It's tiny and sits on a large SSD right next to the router.
• 590[02:48:15] <teraflops> ah better
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• 593[02:50:30] <cybearg> taraflops: And it's of comparable power to the Dell, anyway. :p Just not when it comes to heavy number crunching. Apparently x86 processors have some advantage over ARM for heavy calculations that goes beyond clocks and cores.
• 594[02:51:27] <teraflops> cybearg: ikr, transcofing in bananapi or odroid is a joke
• 595[02:51:37] <teraflops> transcoding*
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• 597[02:52:23] <teraflops> cybearg: I run a mediagoblin instance and i ended avoiding transcoding :P
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• 602[02:55:38] <cybearg> teraflops: Mediagoblin push to multiple devices, or is it mostly for desktop clients?
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• 604[02:56:23] <teraflops> cybearg: nope, it's replaced-url
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• 607[02:59:15] <cybearg> teraflops: Ah, I see. Cool.
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• 641[03:21:32] <dax> what does OOD mean on replaced-url
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• 666[03:32:31] <dax> never mind, i poked around more and figured out what's going on :)
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• 671[03:34:39] <fdnj> is it possible to make apt-get forget about a broken package?
• 672[03:34:53] <Redfoxmoon> fdnj, sure, fix the package
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• 674[03:35:10] <fdnj> Redfoxmoon: it is broken on purpose
• 675[03:35:17] <Redfoxmoon> fdnj, uhhhh.
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• 679[03:35:37] <Redfoxmoon> then repackage the package with non-broken control file? :)
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• 745[04:27:11] <Delf> "This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop, as it does not support the EGL interface. It is recommended to use the free radeon driver instead." Is this something that can help? replaced-url
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• 747[04:27:38] <Delf> Why does the fglrx-driver not have EGL support?
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• 754[04:33:10] <wald0> what means "sloppy" in debian backports? its another kind of backports repo?
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• 770[04:40:05] <happygilmoregent> anyone ever setup up selinux?
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• 777[04:43:23] <veek> what's the format of cookies in lynx.
• 778[04:43:35] <veek> i'm doing lynx google.com -cookie_save_file=.lynx_cookies -accept_all_cookies -cookies but the darn file is empty
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• 781[04:45:32] <happygilmoregent> is there a patch or a nvidia module b/c my system is flickering
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• 792[04:56:04] <veek> help aid assist - why isn't lynx saving cookies darn it
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• 801[04:57:53] <JavaBean> veek, give it time... the masters might be doing something else right this minute
• 802[04:58:00] <markybob> veek: google doesn't support ie9. you want it to support lynx?
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• 804[04:58:45] <markybob> veek: replaced-url
• 805[04:59:24] <kingsley> Do Debian have an architecture, like "ARM" for example, that runs on completely open source hardware?
• 806[04:59:41] <kingsley> If so, which architecture, and which hardware?
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• 809[05:00:18] <veek> lynx -cookie_save_file=cookies -cookies dailymail.co.uk doesn't either
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• 812[05:01:44] <veek> neither does imgur
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• 814[05:02:01] <veek> strace doesn't list any activity with cookies
• 815[05:02:16] <markybob> veek: yeah. i don't think you understand modern websites. most require javascript and other things lynx can't do
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• 818[05:03:48] <Toris> kingsley: replaced-url
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• 821[05:08:22] <wald0> what means "sloppy" in debian backports? its another kind of backports repo?
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• 825[05:09:38] <markybob> wald0: replaced-url
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• 827[05:09:54] <wald0> thx
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• 836[05:10:49] <ironpillow> hi all, I am compiling and installing squid 3.5.9 from sources. how do save the compiled version so I could just do `apt-get install squid3.5.9` ? thanks!
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• 838[05:11:39] <kingsley> Toris: I followed your advice, and checked out the FreedomBox link. I like it. Thank you.
• 839[05:11:40] <markybob> ironpillow: you really don't.
• 840[05:11:48] <wald0> so its sloppy like a backports to the next two debian versions (old-stable -> testing) instead of the next one (stable -> testing) ?
• 841[05:12:17] <Toris> kingsley: glad it helped, good luck
• 842[05:13:07] <ironpillow> markybob: sorry I should have been more clear. No exactly `apt-get` but install it somehow from the command line without recompiling (waiting for over 1hr) again.
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• 845[05:13:53] <ironpillow> markybob: I have three raspberry Pi and don't want to compile it 3 times :)
• 846[05:14:24] <markybob> ironpillow: yeah well debian doesn't really work that way.
• 847[05:15:01] <dondon> ironpillow: replaced-url
• 848[05:15:19] <markybob> ,checkbackport squid3
• 849[05:15:20] <judd> Backporting package squid3 in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libecap3-dev (>= 1.0.1-2).
• 850[05:15:23] <ironpillow> markybob: ok got it.
• 851[05:16:24] <ironpillow> dondon: thanks! will try it out.
• 852[05:16:45] <markybob> that's not an easy package to do. at all.
• 853[05:19:09] <markybob> by not easy i mean really fucking hard
• 854[05:19:15] <ironpillow> yeah that's what i was afraid of. it seems daunting to try it.
• 855[05:19:57] <ironpillow> its ok I'll just compile it three times :)
• 856[05:20:53] <veek_> lynx -cookie_save_file=/tmp/cookies google.com (prompts me for instructions on saving the cookie, but the cookie isn't saved to file) strace doesn't show an open on the file.. can someone check on their box
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• 858[05:21:38] <Coolternet> hello guys
• 859[05:22:04] <Coolternet> i have an issue with my bash script
• 860[05:22:07] <Coolternet> Code : replaced-url
• 861[05:22:34] <Coolternet> When my script download my file, the script modify my fail to add DOWNLOAD STATUS on top ...
• 862[05:22:47] <markybob> Coolternet: that asks us to login to github. doubt anyone will do that
• 863[05:23:05] <Coolternet> ho realy ... wait
• 864[05:23:37] <Coolternet> replaced-url
• 865[05:23:39] <Coolternet> :)
• 866[05:23:48] <markybob> Coolternet: that requires javascript
• 867[05:23:57] <markybob> sigh
• 868[05:23:59] <markybob> !pastebin
• 869[05:24:00] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 870[05:24:03] <Coolternet> .. the fuck
• 871[05:24:03] <Coolternet> lol
• 872[05:25:17] <Coolternet> replaced-url
• 873[05:25:20] <Coolternet> better ?
• 874[05:26:29] <markybob> Coolternet: wtf is this? i can't read it, but why? what is going on? debian has fail2ban
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• 876[05:27:10] <Coolternet> why u can't read ?
• 877[05:27:32] <markybob> Coolternet: it's in french...
• 878[05:27:41] <markybob> this isn't #debian-fr
• 879[05:27:50] <Coolternet> my script comment is in french ...
• 880[05:28:06] <markybob> yeah. and the why is the most important part. wth is going on?
• 881[05:28:37] <Coolternet> my issue is about line 27-28-29 and 18-19-20
• 882[05:28:48] <markybob> you claim it's a fail2ban script but it's clearly an iptables ban list
• 883[05:29:07] <markybob> i don't know what to do with this. i'm out.
• 884[05:29:21] <Coolternet> it's an personal script for Download / Install Fail2Ban and download personal file for F2B ..
• 885[05:29:23] <Coolternet> omg..
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• 891[05:33:11] <derp_commander> I'm trying to debug a messy permissions problem that I think involves systemd-udev
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• 895[05:37:30] <derp_commander> gpsd for security reasons drops its UID to gpsd after binding to its port
• 896[05:38:06] <fdnj> is it possible to install android font in debian?
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• 900[05:40:39] <Sir_Designer> fdnj replaced-url
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• 903[05:42:10] <okee> Does anyone know if Debian Jessie offers an early warning failure for SSDs? I am thinking of buying a Samsung 850 Pro 2TB SSD.
• 904[05:42:20] <fdnj> Sir_Designer: but that is a wrong font
• 905[05:42:29] <veek_> okee, smart? smartctl
• 906[05:42:43] <Sir_Designer> what is the name of the font you want?
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• 909[05:44:36] <okee> veek_> So smart works with both platters and SSDs?
• 910[05:45:07] <veek_> yeh should
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• 913[05:45:52] <fdnj> it's called "droid sans"
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• 915[05:46:40] <okee> veek_> OK, I am going to buy my first SSD, and get a Samsung 850 Pro 2 TB. Pricy little boogers, but they come with a 10 year waranty, and it would make it easy for me to upgrade to a new computer later in the year. Currently I have things scattered over a hodge podge of different drives, making mounting and unmounting confusing.
• 916[05:47:15] <derp_commander> is there any way to set it so that one user account is actually an alias for another?
• 917[05:47:29] <derp_commander> like a symlink, but for UIDs?
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• 919[05:49:21] <jpleau> derp_commander: out of my head, I don't think so. What's the use case?
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• 921[05:49:30] <Sir_Designer> fdnj if you looked on the right of the link I gave you, it is one of hte other font families listed
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• 923[05:49:49] <galihom> Good Morning all.
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• 928[05:52:20] <Lucie20> Picture of me naked: replaced-url
• 929[05:52:22] <Lucie20> Picture of me naked: replaced-url
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• 931[05:52:58] <jmcnaught> !ops Lucie20 being inappropriate
• 932[05:52:58] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: Lucie20 being inappropriate
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• 934[05:53:22] <derp_commander> jpleau: gpsd drops its permissions to the gpsd user after binding to the socket
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• 936[05:53:56] <fdnj> i installed fonts-droid-fallback but it looks wrong
• 937[05:53:59] <derp_commander> but that user doesn't have permission to use the /dev/pts sockets, and systemd-udev isn't cooperating with me on giving gpsd that access
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• 939[05:54:57] <derp_commander> and gpsd lacks a runtime option to change that behavior, and I'd really rather *not* have to recompile it
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• 943[05:56:49] <jmcnaught> okee: there are some SSDs that have their trim support blacklisted in the kernel, i think Samsung might on that list. you should check before buying
• 944[05:57:40] <fdnj> why was droid sans removed from debian?
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• 947[05:58:59] <jpleau> derp_commander: never used gpsd, but if you say that it drops privileges to the 'gpsd' user and that user doesn't have access to things it should have access to to work properly, you should file a bug report
• 948[05:59:07] <jpleau> (on debian bts, not upstream)
• 949[05:59:34] <okee> jmcnaught> What do you mean by trim support?
• 950[06:00:13] <okee> jmcnaught> I asked the store where I was planning on buying the drive, but they still haven't contacted me.
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• 955[06:01:30] <jmcnaught> okee: replaced-url
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• 957[06:02:16] <jmcnaught> okee: replaced-url
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• 959[06:02:48] <derp_commander> jpleau: problem is it only appears to be a problem in certain specific configurations, namely ones where it lacks terminal access and its parent is run as root
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• 962[06:03:29] <derp_commander> and Linus Torvalds has already ruled out adding a runtime option
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• 966[06:04:18] <jpleau> sorry I can't be of much help with that :/
• 967[06:05:02] <fdnj> why the hell they removed droid sans from the distribution?
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• 971[06:06:34] <jmcnaught> fdnj: seems to still be available on jessie, are you on testing? you could try looking around on the package tracker: replaced-url
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• 979[06:09:44] <oshogun> Sup folks
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• 985[06:12:48] <jml2> fdnj, droid would be there i think
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• 1022[06:30:45] <okee> jmcnaught> Thanks for sharing the Wikipedia article. Good thing I posted on here, so that I learn about this. Of the three supporting manufacturers, who has the best durability and price break: Crucial SSDs, Intel SSDs, or Micron? I am sorry to see the Samsung 8** doesn't support that.
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• 1026[06:34:08] <jmcnaught> okee: some models from those manufacturers are not blacklisted. you could try asking on hardware for recommended SSDs, or just do lots of research. my crucial mx200 is not blacklisted for example, but i'm not sure if it's still made. it's more of a hardware topic than a #debian topic
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• 1029[06:35:44] <jml2> the angelbird ssds are top notch
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• 1031[06:37:00] <ironpillow> hi - I am doing `/sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/network/iptables` and my iptables file is a bash script. I am getting an error on the first line with variable.
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• 1035[06:37:25] <ironpillow> iptables-restore: line 13 failed
• 1036[06:38:07] <timmu> ironpillow: so what did you expect?
• 1037[06:38:15] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: iptables-restore uses the output iptables-save not a bash script. you could call iptables-restore in a script though
• 1038[06:38:58] <timmu> ironpillow: run the bloody script. the use iptables-save, then use iptables-restore on the result
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• 1040[06:39:11] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: i use a script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ to call iptables-restore so the firware rules are always loaded before the interface comes up
• 1041[06:39:44] <ironpillow> timmu: thanks. i will try that.
• 1042[06:40:05] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: that's what i am doing too. but line timmu said i will do iptables-save first
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• 1044[06:41:58] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: how would I write that script: iptables-save < iptables.sh | /sbin/iptables-restore ?
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• 1049[06:44:10] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: have you read the manpages for iptables-save and iptables-restore? iptables-save dumps the rules to stdout in a format that iptables-restore can use. the way a script would be involved is by calling iptables-restore to load the saved rules for example. you might also checkout netfilter-persistent
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• 1052[06:49:57] <fdnj> how can I make my "keyring" to unlock "automatically"?
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• 1058[06:53:36] <jmcnaught> fdnj: for gnome?
• 1059[06:53:43] <fdnj> yes
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• 1062[06:54:52] <jmcnaught> fdnj: this should be set up automatically by the libpam-gnome-keyring package which the gnome-core package depends on
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• 1076[07:02:41] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: I ran the bash script that contains iptables. did iptables-save > ip.rules then iptables-restore < ip.rules. iptables -nvL is empty
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• 1079[07:04:49] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: does ip.rules have anything in it?
• 1080[07:05:02] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: nope empty
• 1081[07:06:03] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: you can also just run "iptables-save" to let it output to your screen and see what it's saving
• 1082[07:06:37] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: nothing.
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• 1084[07:07:18] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: so you add some rules with manual calls to iptables, then iptables-save will help you save the currently loaded rules
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• 1090[07:14:49] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: i added basic rules but iptables-save shows nothing
• 1091[07:17:33] <vahe1> hi all help pls
• 1092[07:17:33] <vahe1> debian easy 6 for maemo (nokia n900) (reposytory archive.debian.org)
• 1093[07:17:33] <vahe1> # apt-get upgrade
• 1094[07:17:33] <vahe1> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error,aborting:
• 1095[07:17:33] <vahe1> syntax error: unknown group 'crontab' in statoverride faile
• 1096[07:17:33] <vahe1> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
• 1097[07:17:33] *** vahe1 was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
• 1098[07:17:34] <dpkg> vahe1: I don't know, could you explain it?
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• 1108[07:27:08] <jml2> lol
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• 1111[07:28:15] <jml2> vahe1 vahe1..
• 1112[07:29:14] <vahe1> sorry that is not used poste.debian.org))
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• 1118[07:33:13] <vahe1> pls help replaced-url
• 1119[07:37:39] <jmcnaught> vahe1: does the group crontab exist?
• 1120[07:39:35] <vahe1> jmcnaught: /var/spool/cron/crontabs? no :)
• 1121[07:40:43] <vahe1> /usr/bin/crontab yes
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• 1123[07:40:45] <jmcnaught> vahe1: i mean is there a line for the crontab group in /etc/group. The Debian chroot for maemo is fairly outdated at this point and was modified to begin with, it might be difficult to get working.
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• 1127[07:42:36] <vahe1> jmcnaught: I just don't install a different,maybe has a solution?
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• 1130[07:43:33] <vahe1> jmcnaught: this is set automatically because it is installed if it is possible to lift up to Debian 8 I will make
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• 1132[07:44:02] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: iptables is showing nothing. iptables -nvL is empty
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• 1134[07:44:17] <ironpillow> I am not able to add or restore default rules
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• 1136[07:45:10] <jmcnaught> vahe1: i am skeptical that Debian 8 will run on the very old kernel on the n900. Maybe Debian 7 will work, but you'd need to find an image prepared for the maemo debian chroot application, or upgrade one that is already available. Mine overheated while trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy
• 1137[07:47:07] <jmcnaught> vahe1: the paste you provided on paste.debian.net, is that the full output? if you can make a paste of the command and full output i might be able to help a bit. you need to look into why the crontab group doesn't exist. the "cron" package is supposed to add this group to the system
• 1138[07:48:07] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: there are no default rules in Debian. add a rule manually by running iptables on the CLI, then confirm the rule is there with "iptables -nvL". if that works, iptables-save should also show the rule
• 1139[07:48:48] <jmcnaught> vahe1: what does "getent group crontab" tell you?
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• 1141[07:49:08] <dka> need help for configuring a rules using conntrack with origdstport. I have a range of port I need to block on the public interface.
• 1142[07:49:24] <vahe1> jmcnaught: understood,may have a solution in debian 6? initially I had problems with the repositories,I installed only one ,replaced-url
• 1143[07:49:29] <ironpillow> jml2:
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• 1145[07:49:57] <jml2> ironpillow, should be working by now
• 1146[07:50:08] <jml2> ironpillow, delete all the other load-up scripts you made with iptables
• 1147[07:50:26] <jml2> ironpillow, btw -> /etc/iptables/rules.* are not scripts
• 1148[07:50:29] <aedinius> iptables?
• 1149[07:50:38] <ironpillow> jml2: ok got it
• 1150[07:50:41] <aedinius> Perfect opportunity for me to plug my project! replaced-url
• 1151[07:50:43] <jml2> ironpillow, (i mean dont delete those rules)
• 1152[07:50:46] <jml2> ironpillow, keep em
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• 1154[07:50:53] <ironpillow> yep :)
• 1155[07:50:54] <aedinius> Every confused by generating iptables rules?
• 1156[07:50:59] <jml2> ironpillow, whatever you were tinkering outside iptabler/netfilter-persistent
• 1157[07:51:03] <aedinius> Try my project!
• 1158[07:51:13] <aedinius> Please give feedback.
• 1159[07:51:37] <jmcnaught> dka: for help making rules for iptables #iptables is probably a better place to ask
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• 1161[07:52:38] <vahe1> jmcnaught: getent group crontab nothing says
• 1162[07:52:44] <dka> jmcnaught,
• 1163[07:52:45] <dka> Cannot join #iptables (Channel is invite only).
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• 1165[07:54:24] <jmcnaught> dka: sorry try #netfilter
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• 1167[07:55:01] <dka> I did
• 1168[07:55:08] <jmcnaught> vahe1: see the /topic, msg bots not people :) you need to figure out why this group doesn't exist. does the chroot lack a crontab package for some reason?
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• 1171[07:56:43] <dka> jmcnaught, I did. They told me that what I needed for blocking ports range [31000-32000], I need to use conntrack with origdstport because because I have a DNAT in the nat table.
• 1172[07:56:51] <vahe1> jmcnaught: it can is possible to reinstall?
• 1173[07:56:56] <dka> They are not providing further help
• 1174[07:57:16] <aedinius> Oh, my project doesn't deal with NAT. Hm.
• 1175[07:58:22] <jmcnaught> aedinius: spamming the project on IRC probably isn't the best idea
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• 1180[08:01:35] <jmcnaught> vahe1: you can back up the .img file that the chroot is stored in (i can't remember where it is) and try starting again. the question is why you don't have a crontab group
• 1181[08:02:07] <aedinius> jmcnaught: I only brin it up when it seems releavant
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• 1183[08:04:01] <jmcnaught> vahe1: it could be that it doesn't install the cron package because it wouldn't be used anyways, but you've installed something else that thinks cron should be there. like i said that chroot is pretty modified. if i recall correctly it was a hybrid of lenny and squeeze, and not very supportable at this point
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• 1186[08:05:21] <jmcnaught> aedinius: your script looks interesting and like you put a lot of work into it, but i'm curious why not use something like ufw or one of the other frontends for managing iptables available in Debian?
• 1187[08:05:23] <vahe1> jmcnaught: thanks this for me is difficult but I will try
• 1188[08:06:47] <aedinius> jmcnaught: I dunno. It was based on an old project at work, and it ended up replacing it
• 1189[08:07:51] <aedinius> I think the only person using it is my people at work
• 1190[08:08:09] <aedinius> where it's actually wrapped by another script
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• 1192[08:08:26] <jmcnaught> aedinius: most Debian users will be better of using something available in Debian that could be supported here and on the mailing lists, but you could make blog posts about it, put it on reddit. anyways we're getting offtopic
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• 1220[08:34:18] <muculus> by KVM virtualization I have packet loss on guest machine, and I have no packet loss on Host. Any idea?
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• 1229[08:42:16] <aedinius> muculus: What kind of nic are you using for the client?
• 1230[08:42:20] <aedinius> s/client/guest/
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• 1234[08:43:41] <muculus> aedinius: bridge network
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• 1244[08:51:24] <Guest81055> Hi.
• 1245[08:51:47] <muculus> aedinius: replaced-url
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• 1247[08:52:04] <Guest81055> Whem I unplug the headphones the output device doesn't change, therefore no sound. How to fix this? Udev rules? Something more simple?
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• 1249[08:53:21] <rawburt> so I have a little problem. new Dell XPS 15 9550 laptop, will not install GRUB during installation. so I try to follow the steps on the Wiki to install GRUB from rescue mode, but cannot mount the encrypted LVM. any thoughts on this?
• 1250[08:53:59] <rawburt> replaced-url
• 1251[08:54:52] <MeanEYE> How come "unstable" has fglrx-driver while "testing" doesn't.
• 1252[08:55:15] <rawburt> because unstable comes before testing
• 1253[08:55:47] <MeanEYE> But eventually it should get it, but it didn't.
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• 1260[08:57:55] <dax> replaced-url
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• 1262[08:58:34] <dax> tl;dr: it doesn't work with current Xorg
• 1263[08:58:38] <MeanEYE> Thanks dax.
• 1264[08:58:45] <aedinius> I thought we moved on to amdgpu
• 1265[08:59:06] <dax> I'd recommend amdgpu or radeon, whichever is relevant for one's card, yes.
• 1266[08:59:13] <dax> upstream is killing fglrx
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• 1268[08:59:56] <MeanEYE> Is HD 5000 mobility supported by amdgpu?
• 1269[09:00:30] <dax> no, use radeon
• 1270[09:00:37] <MeanEYE> Thought as much.
• 1271[09:01:13] <MeanEYE> Everything is really slow for some reason. Well, slow until display is set up, after which it works fine.
• 1272[09:01:13] <dax> amdgpu is for current-gen cards
• 1273[09:01:33] <dax> (and future ones, as i understand it)
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• 1293[09:15:33] <putridp> Anyone else having trouble using Mac OS X to connect to a Samba server on jessie? The latest badlock bug fix in Samba breaks it for me. OS X can still connect to other (non-updated) servers, and other clients can still connect to the fully updated Samba server so it's a weird one.
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• 1408[10:55:15] <Mathisen> any recommendations on a free alternative for Cpanel ?
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• 1411[10:56:38] <H4ndy> Froxlor
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• 1414[10:57:34] <Mathisen> thx
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• 1416[10:57:39] <Cyber> can anyone help me setup bluetooth hfp
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• 1464[11:18:16] <cdb23ax> hello iam using debian stretch. how can i setup a ntp server where a windows 7 client can sync the time?
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• 1472[11:22:59] <strk> what does it mean when lsb_release -a reports Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.1 (jessie) and Release: 7
• 1473[11:23:12] <strk> is it 7 or 8 ?
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• 1475[11:23:20] <jmd>
• 1476[11:23:38] <jmd> How can I automatically set XDG_CACHE_HOME for all users?
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• 1531[11:50:40] <neglesaks> mornign gentlemen. where was it that you add or remove the action buttons in the nautilus windows bars?
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• 1534[11:51:00] <neglesaks> or the window bars in genera
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• 1537[11:52:05] <cdb23ax> can someone tell me how to setup a ntp server for debian and windows clients? right now the howtos that i find on the net wont help me
• 1538[11:52:16] <cdb23ax> it always says ntpdate[1266]: no server suitable for synchronization found
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• 1541[11:54:34] <Wulf> Hello!
• 1542[11:54:52] <Wulf> What's the correct way to configure my /etc/network/interfaces for a static ipv4 and static ipv6 address? When I have two sections "iface eth0 inet static" and "iface eth0 inet6 static", ifdown eth0 spouts errors "RTNETLINK answers: No such process", "RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address"
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• 1563[12:01:49] <neglesaks> nvm, i found it, it is in the tweak tool
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• 1567[12:03:31] <ladyfriday> hi - I've noticed that the libmono-2.0-dev package includes a libmono-2.0.a file - would anyone be able to tell me what configure flags are used to generate that library? I tried looking at the source package, I can't figure it out though
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• 1579[12:12:27] <Uhebrybdh> replaced-url
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• 1588[12:17:44] <SaveTheRobots> ladyfriday: ./configure --enable-static, i believe
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• 1600[12:23:09] <ladyfriday> SaveTheRobots: thanks, I'll give it a shot!
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• 1604[12:24:37] <SaveTheRobots> ladyfriday: np :)
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• 1611[12:28:21] <at0m> hi, on one machine, after sddm login, and regardless of lxde/plasma/fluxbox, i only get an X-shaped mouse cursor, not seeing anything else. black desktop bg, no menu's no bars.
• 1612[12:28:50] <at0m> no right-click menu, nada.
• 1613[12:29:13] <ladyfriday> SaveTheRobots: out of curiosity, where do I find that option? I don't see it anywhere in the debian/ directory of the mono package?
• 1614[12:29:16] <at0m> anyone have an idea of what i'm doing wrong?
• 1615[12:29:28] <monoxane> who summoned thy?
• 1616[12:29:36] <monoxane> ugh, mono
• 1617[12:29:42] <ladyfriday> sorry monoxane :(
• 1618[12:29:49] <monoxane> its fine
• 1619[12:30:08] <monoxane> it happens less than i expected it would
• 1620[12:30:09] <wewlad> hi debs, how does one run tmux? should I run it right inside of konsole (kde terminal)?
• 1621[12:30:20] <at0m> wewlad: yup
• 1622[12:30:23] <monoxane> well, now that ive left #audio on tgg
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• 1624[12:30:58] <wewlad> at0m: as far as I understand tmux has it's own tabs (not pretty, but still), and konsole too. So what do I do?
• 1625[12:31:01] <ladyfriday> at0m: do you have that problem for all users? are you doing something in a .xinitrc which could cause problems perhaps?
• 1626[12:31:39] <at0m> ladyfriday: tried single user... will add one with empty ~/ and try
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• 1628[12:32:09] <ladyfriday> probably worth checking sddm and X logs to see if there's anything suspicious there too
• 1629[12:33:00] <at0m> ladyfriday: yea got a tail -f on these, nothing obvious on there
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• 1631[12:33:40] <at0m> new user logged in, same derp. hmmm.
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• 1633[12:34:23] <at0m> Alt-F2 then $program doesn't start $program either
• 1634[12:34:29] <ladyfriday> check sddm.conf, anything odd looking in there?
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• 1636[12:34:57] <at0m> oh no sddm.conf, only an Xsession file there
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• 1638[12:35:24] <at0m> dpkg-reconfigured sddm, only asks what dm to use - lightdm or sddm
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• 1641[12:36:09] <at0m> thought it'd be a funny nvidia driver issue, but then sddm login wouldnt show nicely would it
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• 1643[12:36:23] <ladyfriday> indeed
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• 1646[12:37:48] <ladyfriday> if dpdk-reconfigure didn't generate a config file you can use sddm --example-config > /etc/sddm.conf to create one
• 1647[12:38:07] <at0m> compared to another machine which does sddm, no sddm.conf there either and runs just fine
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• 1649[12:38:10] <at0m> ok will try
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• 1651[12:38:22] <ladyfriday> yeah, you shouldn't need one
• 1652[12:39:03] <ladyfriday> might be worth looking in /usr/share/xsessions/ and checking that whichever environment you're selecting is set up proprely there
• 1653[12:39:36] <SaveTheRobots> ladyfriday: i'm fairly new to debian packaging but you can add a 'dh_override_auto_configure' to debian/rules with something along the lines of 'dh_override_auto_configure --enable-static'
• 1654[12:39:54] <SaveTheRobots> there might be a better way, but that's one way of doing it
• 1655[12:40:10] <SaveTheRobots> you may also need to to add the .a file(s) to <package>.install
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• 1658[12:41:40] <at0m> ladyfriday: the sddm.conf didn't change anything obvious, now looking at xsessions...
• 1659[12:42:03] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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• 1665[12:43:52] <ladyfriday> SaveTheRobots: oh, the package already builds a static lib, but if I just grab the source and do ./configure I don't get it - that's why I'm confused
• 1666[12:44:46] <ladyfriday> and I can't see any reference to --enable-static in any of the files there
• 1667[12:44:51] <dury> did my best to install or better say to autostart xscreensaver replaced-url
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• 1669[12:45:48] <ladyfriday> dury: which desktop environment/window manager are you using?
• 1670[12:46:16] <SaveTheRobots> ladyfriday: aahhhh ok, you might want to look into LDFLAGS='-static', or something along those lines
• 1671[12:46:17] <ladyfriday> not all of them look at the autostart files
• 1672[12:47:05] <dury> ladyfriday, mmm gnome 3.14
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• 1677[12:49:00] <dury> ladyfriday, so how do I perform to sole that, then?
• 1678[12:49:29] <at0m> ladyfriday: selected lightdm for DM, that returns me back to lightdm login window. argh.
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• 1680[12:49:55] <ladyfriday> SaveTheRobots: I did a `grep -r static .`, andcouldn't find anything relevant... as far as I can see it should just be there by default :/
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• 1685[12:52:25] <teraflops> dury: for gnome per user config Put the relevant .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart
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• 1688[12:52:42] <ladyfriday> dury: gnome has a gui which you can use for making programs autostart, it might be worth doing it that way
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• 1691[12:53:24] <jim> does debian support selinux?
• 1692[12:53:29] <ladyfriday> SaveTheRobots: my build just finished, looks like --enable-static was ignored :/
• 1693[12:53:32] <ladyfriday> thanks anyway!
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• 1705[12:56:16] <dury> teraflops, as root... let's say "gedit ~/.config/autostart" what else? without brakets of course
• 1706[12:56:50] <teraflops> dury: as root? You're doing it r0ng...
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• 1709[12:57:37] <teraflops> Autostart is a folder btw
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• 1711[12:57:50] <SaveTheRobots> ladyfriday: strange, i just took a look at the configure script and it should be enabling static libs by default, weird :(
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• 1714[12:58:44] <SaveTheRobots> at0m: have you tried running your WM/DE via startx and looking at the output? most DMs also log to ~/.xsession-errors or something along those lines
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• 1716[12:59:09] <dury> teraflops, where is autostart folder
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• 1718[12:59:54] <SaveTheRobots> dury: ~/.config/autostart ;)
• 1719[12:59:55] <teraflops> I already told you. ~/.config/autostart
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• 1721[13:00:16] <SaveTheRobots> symlink the .desktop files for the apps you want to autostart into there
• 1722[13:00:24] <teraflops> dury: it it's not there create it.
• 1723[13:01:00] <teraflops> If*
• 1724[13:01:19] <dury> teraflops, so mkdir ~/.config/autostart then?
• 1725[13:01:42] <teraflops> dury: it doesn't exist?
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• 1731[13:03:51] <dury> teraflops, it does exist
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• 1733[13:04:23] <teraflops> Then drop/symlink the desktop file you wanted autostart in there
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• 1737[13:05:16] <teraflops> Ehhh sorry I'm on the.phone it has its own consciousness
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• 1743[13:06:22] <at0m> SaveTheRobots: thanks, will try the startx way!
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• 1746[13:07:33] <wewlad> at0m: as far as I understand tmux has it's own tabs (not pretty, but still), and konsole too. So what do I do?
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• 1749[13:08:13] <ladyfriday> SaveTheRobots: that's the exact conclusion I've reached as well... think I'm just gonna spin up a debian unstable VM and use that, I've already lost a day to this :P
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• 1754[13:10:10] <dury> teraflops, how do I do the drop/symlink the deskde
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• 1756[13:10:30] <teraflops> Heh
• 1757[13:10:45] <dury> sorry deskde = desktop
• 1758[13:11:22] <dury> teraflops, how do I do the drop/symlink
• 1759[13:11:34] <dury> sorry to repeat
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• 1761[13:13:05] <SaveTheRobots> at0m: np ;)
• 1762[13:13:13] <teraflops> Cp or ln -s whatever floats your goat
• 1763[13:13:14] <SaveTheRobots> ladyfriday: hehe, i know the feeling :p... why not use a chroot btw?
• 1764[13:14:23] <ladyfriday> then I'd have to figure out how to set up a chroot, which will take as much time as spinning up a VM :p
• 1765[13:15:29] <wewlad> how to know what shell I'm currently using? I thought 'echo $SHELL' tells, but it seems to show just the default shell for the current user, not the current shell.
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• 1767[13:16:32] <SaveTheRobots> ladyfriday: lol, fair point :p
• 1768[13:16:45] <dury> teraflops, gesss I don't know how to do that.... :-(
• 1769[13:17:00] <dury> teraflops, what I mess
• 1770[13:17:14] <wewlad> I know only of a hackish way 'ps -p $$'
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• 1772[13:17:46] <dury> teraflops, no kidding, belive me
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• 1774[13:18:12] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: echo $0
• 1775[13:18:30] <wewlad> SaveTheRobots: thx!
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• 1777[13:19:05] <SaveTheRobots> ladyfriday: btw, just for future reference, debootstrap and/or pbuilder are awesome
• 1778[13:19:28] <SaveTheRobots> creating a new chroot is as easy as 'pbuilder --create' && 'pbuilder --login' (after some initial config)
• 1779[13:19:36] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: np
• 1780[13:20:26] <SaveTheRobots> and there's also systemd-nspawn
• 1781[13:20:35] <SaveTheRobots> and lxc... and... *shuts up* :p
• 1782[13:21:38] <dury> can't find xscreensaver execute comand
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• 1784[13:22:05] <dury> in terminal is xscreensaver-demo
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• 1789[13:23:23] <XATRIX> Hi, i've renamed my volume group of LVM, and now, i can't boot my system
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• 1791[13:24:01] <XATRIX> I tried to boot from a rescuecd , assmble raid+lvm, chroot and run update-initramfs -u -k all , but still have no luck
• 1792[13:24:28] <XATRIX> how can i update my kernel VG signature ?
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• 1794[13:25:39] <sysRPL> hello
• 1795[13:25:43] <sysRPL> how do i fix this? sudo apt-get install libxext-dev ... leading to ... The following packages have unmet dependencies: libxext-dev : Depends: libxext6 (= 2:1.3.2-1) but 2:1.3.2-1ubuntu0.0.14.04.1 is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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• 1799[13:26:21] <dka> i need help with iptables, I got no answer in netfilter, is anyone here used to iptables whiling to help ?
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• 1801[13:26:49] <dury> in tweak tool there is an option Startup application as ladyfriday said, but can't find xscreensaver application to add it it's not in the list
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• 1804[13:28:16] <ladyfriday> dury: it should be in /usr/bin if it's installed
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• 1806[13:28:39] <dka> I need help configuring a range port block rules with iptables, I got no answer in netfilter yeu. Is anyone here used to iptables whiling to help ?
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• 1809[13:29:37] <dury> ladyfriday, the thing is how to add it to the list... that's the problem
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• 1811[13:29:59] <wewlad> SaveTheRobots: do you by chance know hot to set up what's and how written in CLI before each command at left?
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• 1814[13:30:40] <wewlad> I mean it sometimes shows up like 'user@hostname:', but for root it shows 'bash-4.3#' for me
• 1815[13:30:47] <jelly> dka: it's a Sunday, be patient
• 1816[13:30:51] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: look into setting PS1
• 1817[13:31:40] <SaveTheRobots> dka: iptables -A <CHAIN> -p tcp --sport 1000:2000 -j DROP.. or whatever
• 1818[13:31:47] <wewlad> SaveTheRobots: thanks
• 1819[13:31:55] <SaveTheRobots> it's a fairly easy question to google...
• 1820[13:31:58] <jelly> wewlad: it's called a "prompt"
• 1821[13:31:59] <ladyfriday> I'm afraid I haven't used gnome in a long time, so I can't help any further
• 1822[13:31:59] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: np
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• 1829[13:32:48] <wewlad> where to read about vars for $PS1?
• 1830[13:33:08] <Guest81055> When I plug the headphones the output device changes from speakers to analog output, which is fine, but unfortunately it doesn't change back once I unplug them. I thought that udev manages this but udevadm monitr doesn't show anything, I don't see anything either in journalct. What mechanism is resposible for this?
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• 1833[13:33:39] <teraflops> dury: what is the app you want to autostart?
• 1834[13:33:41] <SaveTheRobots> dury: just create a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart... call it 'Xscreensaver.desktop" and add Name and Exec lines, check other .desktop files for reference
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• 1837[13:34:00] <teraflops> ah xcreensave
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• 1839[13:34:17] <ladyfriday> hmm, I'm getting "No kernel modules found" with the network installer for unstable, if I hit continue it fails when partitioning... is there some trick to get around that, or should I just download an iso?
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• 1842[13:34:44] <teraflops> dury: put this into ~/.config/autostart/Xscreensaver.desktop replaced-url
• 1843[13:34:53] <teraflops> dury: and restart gnome
• 1844[13:34:56] <jelly> wewlad: the manual for your shell of choice
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• 1850[13:36:48] <wewlad> jelly: I'd like to make a universal settings that would work in both shells I plan to use (bash and zsh), is there a single file to specify those settings or should I just set variables in .bashrc and .zshrc?
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• 1857[13:37:47] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: replaced-url
• 1858[13:37:52] <ladyfriday> wewlad: you could have a ~/.variables.sh file and source it from both
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• 1861[13:38:39] <wewlad> SaveTheRobots: well that's a ridiculously easy way, definitely not linux way :)
• 1862[13:39:54] <wewlad> ladyfriday: yeah, but they may have different syntax (I didn't check), and it seems like more properly would be to use .bashrc and .zshrc.
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• 1864[13:40:30] <wewlad> sometimes I ask for stupid stuff that I don't actually need. I do ask though because I don't yet know that I don't need it.
• 1865[13:40:58] <dury> teraflops, what I did is, gedit ~/.config/autostart/Xscreensaver.desktop and copy the the lines in replaced-url
• 1866[13:41:07] <teraflops> fine
• 1867[13:41:11] <teraflops> restart gnome
• 1868[13:41:30] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: syntax is the same and there are other files you can use, .pam_environment and .profile should both work with both shells
• 1869[13:41:37] <dury> teraflops, gessss
• 1870[13:41:45] <SaveTheRobots> .pam_environment definitely will
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• 1872[13:41:49] <ladyfriday> wewlad: if it's just for common variables like EDITOR etc then you'll be fine doing that
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• 1874[13:41:59] <wewlad> SaveTheRobots: the less files = the better
• 1875[13:42:08] <ladyfriday> the other solution is to just pick one shell and stick with that :p
• 1876[13:42:27] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: not really, in this case, the CORRECT files = best
• 1877[13:42:32] <teraflops> dury: im not native english is from triana :P so define gessss :P
• 1878[13:42:38] <teraflops> I'm*
• 1879[13:42:39] <wewlad> ladyfriday: echo $EDITOR replies with emptyness
• 1880[13:42:58] <wewlad> teraflops: triana? what's that?
• 1881[13:43:03] <dury> teraflops, jeessuss
• 1882[13:43:07] <teraflops> ah hehe
• 1883[13:43:10] <ladyfriday> it will unless you set it
• 1884[13:43:39] <teraflops> dury: btw what I told you works, I'm 100% sure about that
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• 1886[13:43:48] <wewlad> ladyfriday: I try not to touch things I don't know of...
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• 1890[13:44:11] <dury> teraflops, what's btw
• 1891[13:44:16] <teraflops> by the way
• 1892[13:44:18] <teraflops> :P
• 1893[13:44:27] <dury> teraflops, right
• 1894[13:44:39] <dury> teraflops, catch it :-)
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• 1901[13:46:01] <teraflops> dury: the issue here is that there's no /usr/share/applications/xcreensaver.desktop file in the debian package :S
• 1902[13:46:32] <dury> bbl
• 1903[13:46:32] <ladyfriday> guess I'll install jessie then dist-upgrade to unstable
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• 1905[13:47:40] <SaveTheRobots> teraflops: afaik, there shouldn't be, it's not a desktop app... xscreensaver-config should have a .desktop file though
• 1906[13:48:12] <teraflops> SaveTheRobots: you want to launch the config interface every time? heh
• 1907[13:48:52] <SaveTheRobots> ladyfriday: 'debootstrap unstable /srv/chroots/unstable replaced-url
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• 1911[13:49:28] <SaveTheRobots> teraflops: no, the config app is a desktop app, meant to be used by the enduser, xscreensaver isn't... it's a daemon
• 1912[13:49:30] <ladyfriday> SaveTheRobots: I've still gotta install jessie for that to work, I'm not on a debian box just now :<
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• 1914[13:50:05] <SaveTheRobots> ladyfriday: which distro? other distros have deboobstrap in their repos
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• 1918[13:51:05] <ladyfriday> oh, so it does, cool
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• 1920[13:51:15] <ladyfriday> I'm on Arch just now
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• 1922[13:51:31] <ladyfriday> I'll bare that in mind for next time though, thanks
• 1923[13:51:46] <SaveTheRobots> np
• 1924[13:52:26] <teraflops> SaveTheRobots: indeed there no xscreensaver.desktop in other distros I have at hand...
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• 1926[13:52:48] <ladyfriday> that's how I got into all this, the arch mono packages don't have the .a, whereas the debian ones do
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• 1929[13:53:04] <monoxane> ಠ_ಠ
• 1930[13:53:11] <ladyfriday> but debian stable uses an old version of mono which has a bug causing my program to not work :P
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• 1934[13:53:34] <ladyfriday> I'm hoping all will magically work once I've got unstable set up
• 1935[13:53:40] <SaveTheRobots> teraflops: :]
• 1936[13:53:41] <teraflops> ladyfriday: youre right because nobody uses it :P
• 1937[13:54:05] <ladyfriday> teraflops: why do people keep saying that! :<
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• 1939[13:54:55] <teraflops> ladyfriday: because it's the truth, you know, life sucks
• 1940[13:54:56] <Guest81055> What controls earphones detection?
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• 1944[13:55:42] <SaveTheRobots> Guest81055: pulseaudio, if you have it installed
• 1945[13:56:23] <SaveTheRobots> ladyfriday: .a files are static libs, why not just copy it over from wherever, and use it with your app ?
• 1946[13:56:40] <SaveTheRobots> (you app will have to be compiled against it of course)
• 1947[13:56:44] <SaveTheRobots> your*
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• 1949[13:57:12] <ladyfriday> SaveTheRobots: I don't have the .a for an up to date mono
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• 1951[13:57:30] <Guest81055> SaveTheRobots, no, I don't think I have, yet it works. Do you know what may be behind it? I don't see any udev event when I plug headphones in.
• 1952[13:57:44] <ladyfriday> hopefully I will once this install is finished
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• 1954[13:58:08] <SaveTheRobots> ladyfriday: ah, ok
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• 1956[13:58:40] <SaveTheRobots> Guest81055: hmm not sure, could be a udev or acpi event?
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• 1958[13:58:48] <SaveTheRobots> i have nothing to test that with atm :(
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• 1963[13:59:17] <Guest81055> SaveTheRobots, too bad, can't find anything about it on the internets.
• 1964[13:59:19] <SaveTheRobots> try udevadm monitor or acpi_listen maybe
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• 1966[13:59:32] <ladyfriday> I probably should have gone for this solution straight off, rather than recompiling mon o with different flags trying to make the .a appear :>
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• 1969[13:59:48] <Guest81055> SaveTheRobots, already tried udev and it's silent. I will take a look at acpi, thanks for the input.
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• 1974[14:00:48] <SaveTheRobots> np
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• 1977[14:01:28] <Guest81055> SaveTheRobots, yup, it returns the events. Thanks again.
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• 1979[14:01:50] <wewlad> so I added 'export PS1="…"' to my user's '$HOME/.bashrc', then I su'ed and… turns out it also affected root user, why? I haven't modified yet '/root/.bashrc'
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• 1981[14:01:54] <SaveTheRobots> Guest81055: pleasure :)
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• 1992[14:03:32] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: su carries over your environment variables by default, afaik, try 'su --login'
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• 1997[14:05:00] <wewlad> SaveTheRobots: thanks, I think I'll alias that
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• 1999[14:05:16] <SaveTheRobots> np dude
• 2000[14:05:20] <SaveTheRobots> (or dudette)
• 2001[14:05:31] <wewlad> wewlad != wewgal
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• 2003[14:06:38] <SaveTheRobots> ah.. 'lad'... UK? :p
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• 2006[14:07:31] <wewlad> no, thats just some meme I don't even like
• 2007[14:07:44] <SaveTheRobots> ah ok, hehe
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• 2009[14:08:22] <hammo> hey guys, noob question does debian jessie still ref /etc/network/interfaces?
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• 2012[14:09:11] <jim> mine does
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• 2014[14:09:53] <jim> wait, what is your verb ref?
• 2015[14:10:29] <hammo> i edited /etc/network/interfaces then up down eth2 and no change?
• 2016[14:11:07] <jim> does that file have passwords or other sensitive data?
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• 2018[14:11:28] <hammo> or do i have to restart whole network service?
• 2019[14:11:31] <hammo> nope
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• 2022[14:11:43] <jim> ok, could you pastebin it?
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• 2024[14:12:02] <teraflops> hammo: yes it does, unless the config file has errors or youre using other daemon for managing the network
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• 2027[14:12:47] <teraflops> hammo: or you just forgot to _restart_ the network
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• 2032[14:13:30] <hammo> replaced-url
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• 2034[14:13:48] <hammo> hash's just for priv
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• 2040[14:14:54] <jim> I think you hae to indent address
• 2041[14:15:09] <jim> line 11
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• 2044[14:15:25] <hammo> ahh, thought up down would pull new config, i'll restart network ser
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• 2048[14:17:15] <jim> then, ifdown eth2 ; ifup eth2
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• 2050[14:18:22] <teraflops> hammo: ifup/down is fine
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• 2053[14:18:42] <dury> back again jeessuss teraflops.... :-( xscreensaver doesn't launch after not using the computer.
• 2054[14:18:57] <teraflops> dury: configure it!
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• 2056[14:19:32] <teraflops> dury: or use gnome-screensaver, I guess it has better gnome integration
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• 2058[14:20:25] <dury> Xscreensaver is better and awesome, teraflops
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• 2060[14:20:40] <hammo> thanks tear jim
• 2061[14:20:45] <hammo> tera
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• 2063[14:20:49] <teraflops> dury: ah sure I don't use any just hessing
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• 2065[14:20:59] <teraflops> guessing*
• 2066[14:21:08] <jim> hammo, what did you do/what happened?
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• 2071[14:23:57] <dury> teraflops, can you please assist me to configure Xscreensaver to launch after 5 minutes not using the computer
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• 2073[14:24:12] <teraflops> dury: I do not use it...
• 2074[14:24:32] <dury> jeesssuss :-(
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• 2077[14:24:40] <teraflops> dury: I'll need to google for it in order to assists you, it sounds overkill
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• 2080[14:25:00] <teraflops> dury: heh sorry mate
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• 2084[14:26:04] <dury> teraflops, you did your best which I really appreciate it indeed :-)
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• 2089[14:26:51] <dury> teraflops, in wheezy was easier
• 2090[14:27:20] <teraflops> dury: np glad to help
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• 2097[14:30:04] <dury> you know why I like debian more than ubuntu 'cause in debian it's harder you have to make your effort work more .... in ubuntu everything is done already
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• 2104[14:33:35] <jelly> wewlad: bash and zsh have wildly different syntax for PS1 and other prompts
• 2105[14:34:52] <dury> teraflops, could be that for jessie as well, what your opinion replaced-url
• 2106[14:35:07] <teraflops> Let me see
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• 2115[14:35:52] <teraflops> dury: you meant xscreensaver does not start automatically?
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• 2117[14:36:15] <dury> teraflops, yeap
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• 2122[14:37:13] <hammo> hey jim still no ip add change here pastebin of interfaces.conf and ifconf for eth2 replaced-url
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• 2128[14:40:23] <hammo> even restarting net ser doesnt pick up new ip add?
• 2129[14:41:21] <wewlad> jelly: yeah, I already empirically figured it out, I guess I need to configure zshrc to have it's own PS1 value, but since there's no analog of replaced-url
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• 2134[14:45:48] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: just fyi, there's a script that converts bash PS1 to zsh PS1
• 2135[14:45:56] <SaveTheRobots> it's in zsh-common, from what i remember
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• 2137[14:46:28] <wewlad> SaveTheRobots: where's that zsh-common? is it a dir/file on file system or is it a command?
• 2138[14:46:53] <teraflops> dury: are you sure?
• 2139[14:47:16] <teraflops> dury: what's the output of `pgrep xscreensaver` ?
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• 2141[14:47:38] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: it's a script included in the package... try 'dpkg -L zsh-common | grep -i prompt'
• 2142[14:47:43] <dury> teraflops, totally sure buddy... believe me
• 2143[14:47:55] <teraflops> ... what's the output of `pgrep xscreensaver` ?
• 2144[14:47:59] <SaveTheRobots> should be called bash2zshprompt or something...
• 2145[14:48:02] <dury> teraflops, one second
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• 2149[14:49:04] <teraflops> dury: well, I set it up in an vm and it works ...
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• 2151[14:49:33] <teraflops> dury: replaced-url
• 2152[14:49:43] <dury> teraflops, output simply is a number which is 1538
• 2153[14:49:51] <teraflops> dury: yeah it's running
• 2154[14:49:56] <teraflops> go configure it
• 2155[14:50:03] <teraflops> dury: xscreensaver-demo
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• 2157[14:50:33] <teraflops> dury: set it to 1 minute
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• 2160[14:50:59] <dury> teraflops, right hang on
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• 2162[14:52:07] <dury> teraflops, did it now wait for 1 minute. one minute please
• 2163[14:52:19] <teraflops> for testing purposes, if it does not get launched try editing the .desktop file you created earlier and change the Exec= line to xscreensaver -no-spash but as I said I do not use it
• 2164[14:52:26] <teraflops> dury: sure np
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• 2167[14:53:36] <wewlad> SaveTheRobots: there's '/usr/share/doc/zsh-common/examples/Misc/bash2zshprompt' script without proper comments of how to use it, what should I do with it?
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• 2169[14:53:55] <jordila> dear #debian community
• 2170[14:54:06] <jordila> we are suffering intrusions...
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• 2172[14:54:27] <jordila> in our Debian 8 GNU/Linux : from China IP address
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• 2179[14:55:26] <jordila> i don't know why 'iptables -A INPUT -s 183.3.202.199 -j DROP' is no blocking it ...
• 2180[14:55:31] <jordila> what am i missing ?
• 2181[14:55:32] <teraflops> jordila: are you sure it's not about silly bots doing harmless intentions to connect to your ssh?
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• 2183[14:55:56] <jordila> how can i double check teraflops
• 2184[14:55:56] <dury> bbl
• 2185[14:55:58] <jordila> thanks!
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• 2187[14:56:17] <jordila> sometimes the get connected ...
• 2188[14:56:24] <teraflops> jordila: look at /var/log/auth.log
• 2189[14:56:28] <jordila> thanks
• 2190[14:57:18] <teraflops> jordila: btw /sbin/iptables -I INPUT -s remoteip -j DROP
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• 2193[14:57:50] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: that's the one, it's been a while since i used it though :(
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• 2196[14:58:33] <jordila> ^^ replaced-url
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• 2198[14:59:42] <wewlad> SaveTheRobots: sorry to bother you, but could you take a look at it and tell me what should I do with it to conver bash's prompt to zsh's prompt using that script?
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• 2204[15:02:51] <teraflops> jordila: use passwordless ssh. Use fail2ban. Ignore the bots etc, etc.
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• 2207[15:03:04] <ZenWalker> hello, some command to simulate another command without write in disc?
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• 2210[15:03:47] <jordila> ok.. thanks teraflops, missing fail2ban ...
• 2211[15:04:11] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: perl <script> ~/.bashrc, i think
• 2212[15:04:26] <SaveTheRobots> it should spew out a converted .zshrc
• 2213[15:04:34] <teraflops> I didn't say go use all of that. just pointing alternatives
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• 2217[15:05:00] <wewlad> SaveTheRobots: will it just convert export PS1 or the whole .bashrc with all the aliases and stuff?
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• 2220[15:05:39] <rozie> jordila: iptables work from up, to down
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• 2224[15:05:59] <jordila> thanks rozie... but...
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• 2226[15:06:09] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: just the prompt i think
• 2227[15:06:13] <jordila> ah... you mean probably some upper rule is opening the door to
• 2228[15:06:15] <jordila> thanks
• 2229[15:06:19] <rozie> if you have rule which ACCEPT that traffic before, there will be no effect when you DROP later
• 2230[15:06:25] <jordila> yup
• 2231[15:06:30] <jordila> sure
• 2232[15:06:36] <teraflops> wewlad: IMHO you're doing it wrong. Instead doing black magic go create your own one from scratch. Step by step so you know what're you doing and also learning a bit.
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• 2235[15:07:24] <rozie> jordila: iptables -L -n -v may be helpful to check which rules are being used
• 2236[15:07:29] <wewlad> SaveTheRobots: didn't work, it just echoed .bashrc
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• 2238[15:07:55] <jordila> (i'll do rozie... ) uh...no fail2ban package in Jessie
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• 2240[15:08:00] <jordila> ...changed the name ?
• 2241[15:08:04] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: weird, i just tried it and it converted the PS1
• 2242[15:08:09] <wewlad> SaveTheRobots: ah, it actually converted it
• 2243[15:08:20] <wewlad> so I should just pipe that output to file
• 2244[15:08:30] <markybob> jordila: it's in jessie.
• 2245[15:08:33] <markybob> ,v fail2ban
• 2246[15:08:34] <judd> Package: fail2ban on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.4-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 0.8.4-3+squeeze2; squeeze-security-lts: 0.8.4-3+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 0.8.6-3wheezy1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.8.6-3wheezy3; wheezy-security: 0.8.6-3wheezy3; jessie: 0.8.13-1; stretch: 0.9.3-1; sid: 0.9.4-1
• 2247[15:08:36] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: yup, pipe it to your .zshrc
• 2248[15:08:41] <SaveTheRobots> and change as necessary
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• 2250[15:09:02] <wewlad> SaveTheRobots: 'bash: /home/user/.zshrc: Permission denied'
• 2251[15:09:03] <wewlad> :D
• 2252[15:09:05] <rozie> jordila: is this SSH attack?
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• 2254[15:09:21] <jordila> yes rozie
• 2255[15:09:21] <rozie> jordila: take a look on blocklist.de anyway
• 2256[15:09:26] <jordila> thanks rozie
• 2257[15:09:29] <jordila> i'll do
• 2258[15:09:30] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: lol, did you use sudo? ;)
• 2259[15:09:31] <rozie> and it has fail2ban integrations
• 2260[15:09:38] <jordila> nice to know
• 2261[15:09:43] <SaveTheRobots> check owner/permissions
• 2262[15:09:45] <jordila> i love #debian
• 2263[15:09:46] <wewlad> SaveTheRobots: no, and owner is user:user
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• 2265[15:10:00] <wewlad> permissions are -rw-r--r--
• 2266[15:10:14] <SaveTheRobots> when are you getting that error, what are you doing?
• 2267[15:10:15] <rozie> you can also grab their list and use it to feed iptables manually
• 2268[15:10:33] <jordila> Thanks rozie. mmmh, sorry, feeling so newbie today... 'Package fail2ban is not available, but is referred to by another package.
• 2269[15:10:33] <jordila> ' ?
• 2270[15:10:51] <rozie> and, ipset is much better for blocking large amount of IPs
• 2271[15:10:52] <teraflops> Heh jordila to can also block the entire China :P
• 2272[15:10:59] <teraflops> You
• 2273[15:11:04] <jordila> yeah teraflops :-P
• 2274[15:11:09] <teraflops> Heh
• 2275[15:11:16] <jordila> an inverse Great Wall ? :-P
• 2276[15:11:26] <wewlad> SaveTheRobots: perl /usr/share/doc/zsh-common/examples/Misc/bash2zshprompt ~/.bashrc | ~/.zshrc
• 2277[15:11:26] <jordila> and Korea... and Malysia...and...
• 2278[15:11:46] <rozie> there is a way to use geoip blocking ;)
• 2279[15:11:51] <jordila> ah
• 2280[15:11:54] <jordila> :-)
• 2281[15:11:59] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: you pipe to commands, not files ;)
• 2282[15:12:07] <SaveTheRobots> perl /usr/share/doc/zsh-common/examples/Misc/bash2zshprompt ~/.bashrc > ~/.zshrc
• 2283[15:12:24] <wewlad> aah
• 2284[15:12:25] <wewlad> thx
• 2285[15:12:27] <teraflops> jordila: I.mean you can do it. I did it one time. But it's a bit overkill
• 2286[15:12:46] <SaveTheRobots> np dude
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• 2288[15:14:11] <Guest81055> I can't find cpu.cfs_period_us or cpu.cfs_quota_us in cgroups. I am using 8.4. Is this normal?
• 2289[15:14:31] <wewlad> turns out it converted with some error: '[user] ~/ $ ' got converted into '[uzer] ~/ \$ '
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• 2291[15:14:44] <jordila> sure teraflops
• 2292[15:15:04] <wewlad> and it also generates a few errors...
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• 2294[15:15:13] <jordila> i'm more about filtering ssh acces to the Riseup VPN node i normally use...
• 2295[15:15:14] <wewlad> mostly about bash-completion
• 2296[15:15:31] <wewlad> and some command not found 'shopt'
• 2297[15:15:42] <jordila> they're back again, teraflops
• 2298[15:15:45] <jordila> et al.
• 2299[15:15:49] <jordila> 'tcp 0 0 guarani:ssh 183.3.202.199:35894 ESTABLISHED root 9735 3624/sshd: root [pr
• 2300[15:15:50] <jordila> '
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• 2302[15:16:07] <jordila> does it means they are trying or connected to SSH ?
• 2303[15:16:30] <SaveTheRobots> wewlad: yeah, it even says in the comments of the script that it's ugly and hacky, it should do most of the lifting for you but you'll need to finish the rest off yourself
• 2304[15:16:34] <jordila> uh...they're gone..
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• 2306[15:16:49] <jordila> they didn't succeed...
• 2307[15:17:06] <rozie> jordila: these are bots. join blocklist.de, probably
• 2308[15:17:19] <jordila> thanks rozie
• 2309[15:17:22] <rozie> and disable root login with password
• 2310[15:17:23] <teraflops> jordila: harmless unless they become in ddos and affecting your network performance. Block those ip by hand while you're setting up a sane solution
• 2311[15:17:29] <jordila> done rozie
• 2312[15:17:39] <wewlad> is there a way to make nano show line numbers for each line or at least for caret's position?
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• 2314[15:17:41] <jordila> thanks teraflops
• 2315[15:17:53] <jim> hammo, got sidetracked... try this exactly: ifdown eth2 ; ifup eth2
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• 2317[15:18:31] <teraflops> jordila: np
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• 2319[15:20:10] <wewlad> how to echo n'th line from a file?
• 2320[15:20:11] <teraflops> jordila: also what rozie said of course
• 2321[15:20:18] <jordila> :)
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• 2324[15:20:45] <rozie> BTW if you have some spare resources, TARPIT instead of REJECT/DROP may be fun
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• 2326[15:20:59] <teraflops> Heh
• 2327[15:21:08] <wewlad> nvm, googled the answer
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• 2330[15:22:02] <ZenWalker> there are any more than google
• 2331[15:22:27] <wewlad> google is a verb nowadays
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• 2334[15:22:48] <ZenWalker> google is evil
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• 2337[15:23:01] <wewlad> google as a noun - probably yes
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• 2339[15:23:29] <rozie> wewlad: as verb too
• 2340[15:23:47] <wewlad> rozie: why?
• 2341[15:23:54] <teraflops> Go Google it :P
• 2342[15:23:58] <rozie> because duckduckgo!
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• 2344[15:24:01] <Drzacek> Hi. Anyone could advice light LAMP packages alternatives for debian?
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• 2346[15:24:22] <unborn> Drzacek: jasne
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• 2348[15:24:31] <unborn> Drzacek: sorry, I mean sure
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• 2350[15:24:40] <Drzacek> spoko
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• 2352[15:24:52] <Drzacek> I mean ok
• 2353[15:24:52] <rozie> ;)
• 2354[15:24:54] <abrotman> Drzacek: what do you want to be lighter?
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• 2356[15:25:00] <unborn> Drzacek: :) okay so what you want to install? full web srv?
• 2357[15:25:08] <rozie> Drzacek: nginx/lighttpd instead of apache
• 2358[15:25:22] <Drzacek> from what I recall, lighttp was nice alternative
• 2359[15:25:36] <abrotman> so use that, the other bits can't really be replaced if you want those features
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• 2361[15:25:41] <Drzacek> and the full LAPM package takes a lot of space. My system runs on 8gb usb drive
• 2362[15:25:41] <teraflops> Drzacek: nginx is really nice and fast
• 2363[15:25:45] <abrotman> I mean, you could replace mysql with sqlite perhaps
• 2364[15:25:50] <abrotman> depends on your needs
• 2365[15:25:52] <unborn> ah im just apache guys im afraid Drzacek
• 2366[15:26:09] <unborn> 8gb should be fine
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• 2368[15:26:17] <abrotman> so helpful ...
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• 2370[15:26:31] <Drzacek> there's gonna be other thing there too. At the moment I have 2.6gb free space
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• 2372[15:26:53] <rozie> Drzacek: is it headless?
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• 2374[15:27:12] <teraflops> Mysql is hunger sqlite is lightweight as abrotman said
• 2375[15:27:13] <rozie> 6GB is pretty much space, just for server packages
• 2376[15:27:19] <Drzacek> and since I'm not gonna do any heavy-duty website, just so simple stuff, moslty for learning, I wan't it to be minimal
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• 2378[15:27:23] <Drzacek> of course it's headless
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• 2380[15:27:40] <abrotman> Drzacek: Do you actually need dynamic content?
• 2381[15:27:47] <abrotman> i.e., PHP?
• 2382[15:27:53] <Drzacek> yes
• 2383[15:27:57] <rozie> he wants to learn
• 2384[15:28:09] <rozie> and BTW, be careful with running DB on flash drive
• 2385[15:28:19] <abrotman> Drzacek: okay, then yeah, use PHP, sqlite, nginx or lighttpd
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• 2387[15:28:28] <Drzacek> rozie, a lot of read/writes?
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• 2389[15:28:37] <rozie> there may be lots of writing, and flash drives don't like writes
• 2390[15:28:43] <abrotman> potentially, yes, it's your data, only you can know
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• 2393[15:29:07] <rozie> especially that probably you don't use SSD, just some pendrive/sdcard
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• 2395[15:29:31] <Drzacek> rozie, maybe I could create small ram disk, where DB would work, and it would write backup to usb disk once/day?
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• 2397[15:29:59] <Drzacek> rozie, pendrive. But SSD don't like write's too
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• 2402[15:30:51] <rozie> well, SSDs are now much more durable
• 2403[15:31:07] <rozie> I had 3-4 years old SSD at work (desktop)
• 2404[15:31:08] <unborn> Drzacek: not a true.. I use ssd on my server as well as on all my machines in home (laptops)
• 2405[15:31:37] <rozie> according to SMART it was worn off by less than 10%
• 2406[15:31:48] <unborn> Drzacek: usb sticks aka pendrives have rw limits.. mysql will possibly kill that pendrive in a week or so
• 2407[15:31:49] <rozie> OK, no swap and no /tmp on the drive
• 2408[15:31:51] <Drzacek> I also use SSd in my laptop, but I like to think that I don't do any unnecessary writing to it
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• 2412[15:32:17] <rozie> unborn: reads are free!
• 2413[15:32:17] <Drzacek> no swap, but /tmp?
• 2414[15:32:24] <rozie> tmpfs
• 2415[15:32:32] <Drzacek> I do have /tmp
• 2416[15:32:39] <rozie> just mount it as tmpfs
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• 2418[15:32:50] <unborn> rozie: yeah :) its just habit for me when I speak about read and write
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• 2420[15:33:16] <rozie> and, for pendrives, consider FS without journal
• 2421[15:33:22] <rozie> and of course noatime
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• 2425[15:34:37] <mooon> Hey guys, i'm having trouble with nvidia graphics on debian. I had a fresh debian install, i added non-free and contrib repos and downloaded steam following instructions here replaced-url
• 2426[15:34:46] <mooon> works but i says "No NVIDIA GPU detected"
• 2427[15:34:53] <Drzacek> rozie, I got ext4
• 2428[15:35:02] <Drzacek> whats noatime
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• 2435[15:36:06] <abrotman> Drzacek: it's the default now I think
• 2436[15:36:09] <abrotman> Drzacek: man mount
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• 2438[15:37:21] <Drzacek> okay, I see what noatime is. Anyway to check if it is set for my partitions?
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• 2440[15:38:26] <abrotman> Drzacek: cat /proc/mounts probably
• 2441[15:38:34] <rozie> abrotman: relatime is default, IIRC
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• 2447[15:39:22] <rozie> mount | grep --color atime
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• 2449[15:40:53] <duelle> Hi, I am trying to install Debian jessie on my dedicated server using dropbear to unlock the encrypted disks. Is there any recent guide on that? Because I get some networking errors when booting with dropbear. It seems the network devices are not up when dropbear wants to acquire them..
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• 2453[15:43:03] <dury> teraflops, are u there
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• 2455[15:43:06] <duelle> This looks quite similar to what I am experiencing: replaced-url
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• 2457[15:44:03] <Drzacek> rozie, (rw, relatime) ?
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• 2461[15:44:40] <dury> teraflops, success about Xscrennsaver it launches perfectly :-)
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• 2466[15:45:30] <rozie> Drzacek: I'd use noatime
• 2467[15:45:56] <Drzacek> I edited /etc/fstab, added ",noatime" after defaults
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• 2469[15:46:17] <teraflops> dury: ah, nice
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• 2471[15:46:57] <dury> teraflops, -nosplash was the key, thank you so much indeed... really appreciate your support and suggestions :-)
• 2472[15:47:07] <teraflops> dury: np
• 2473[15:47:41] <Guest81055> Is debian missing cgred service?
• 2474[15:47:49] <Drzacek> rozie, ok, my /home got noatime, but I got a lot of other records here (from mount), not sure what they are
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• 2483[15:49:49] <SaveTheRobots> duelle: sounds like you'd need to add networking support, along with the modules for your NIC to the initrd
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• 2485[15:50:11] <SaveTheRobots> afaik, initramfs-tools should be capable as it can netboot
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• 2489[15:50:46] <SaveTheRobots> dracut might be a better choice though, i think it has the necessary modules you need
• 2490[15:51:14] <moldo> hello i m loooking for a mentor i have some knowledge of linux but my dream is to be a system and network admin and learning debian is a most
• 2491[15:52:01] <SaveTheRobots> how much do you pay? :p
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• 2493[15:52:37] <duelle> SaveTheRobots: Even though I did not need to add the module in my previous setup (wheezy) I will try to add the NIC module explicitly. Do you know a good source for this dracut thing? Never heard of it..
• 2494[15:53:30] <moldo> SaveTheRobots, if i pay with flowers is it fine ? :op
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• 2496[15:54:12] <SaveTheRobots> duelle: replaced-url
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• 2500[15:54:25] <SaveTheRobots> here's probably a better option
• 2501[15:54:30] <abrotman> dpkg: tell moldo about reference
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• 2503[15:55:28] <SaveTheRobots> duelle: scratch dracut, it seems it should be more than possible to do it in initramfs-tools (after some quick googling)
• 2504[15:55:38] <SaveTheRobots> replaced-url
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• 2513[15:59:58] <_heimdall> #Ubuntu won't let me use root as an account :C
• 2514[16:00:18] <abrotman> why are you telling us?
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• 2516[16:00:36] <_heimdall> I don't know what to do, I hate having to enter my password every second command.
• 2517[16:00:49] <abrotman> _heimdall: why are you telling us?
• 2518[16:00:50] <_heimdall> Especially since I'm using it as a desktop OS.
• 2519[16:00:56] <_heimdall> I don't know.
• 2520[16:01:02] <abrotman> ok, please go whine elsewhere
• 2521[16:01:08] <_heimdall> >:C
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• 2523[16:01:16] <_heimdall> Debian doesn't support efi boot!
• 2524[16:01:32] <abrotman> yes, it does
• 2525[16:01:43] <_heimdall> Really? With an efi boot partition?
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• 2528[16:02:52] <SaveTheRobots> _heimdall: yes. that's how i boot
• 2529[16:03:07] <_heimdall> But there was no such option in the partition menu during install.
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• 2532[16:03:25] <abrotman> _heimdall: do you need help with Debian or ubuntu?
• 2533[16:04:16] <_heimdall> It would be nice if Debian had the efi partition during the installer.
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• 2535[16:04:24] <helio> hi
• 2536[16:04:28] <themill> _heimdall: it does.
• 2537[16:04:36] <_heimdall> SInce when?
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• 2541[16:05:28] <moldo> ty abrotman !!
• 2542[16:05:31] <abrotman> _heimdall: wheezy
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• 2544[16:05:41] <abrotman> so, five years?
• 2545[16:05:42] <_heimdall> abortman, I contest that notion.
• 2546[16:05:46] <abrotman> _heimdall: you're still wrong
• 2547[16:05:57] <abrotman> sorry, three years
• 2548[16:06:00] <helio> i can't understand some output from fdisk -l neither fstab
• 2549[16:06:00] <markybob> _heimdall: you're wrong
• 2550[16:06:13] <helio> some help will be apreciated
• 2551[16:06:28] <abrotman> helio: pastebin
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• 2554[16:06:32] <_heimdall> Even from a live USB installer?
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• 2556[16:06:39] <helio> abrotman: 1min
• 2557[16:06:45] <abrotman> _heimdall: no idea .. who uses that?
• 2558[16:07:12] <themill> _heimdall: you might like to decide between "live" and "installer".
• 2559[16:07:15] <_heimdall> People who hate buying optical disks :|
• 2560[16:08:12] <zykotick9> _heimdall: note, the live media does NOT support UEFI... the install media DOES.
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• 2562[16:08:21] <markybob> _heimdall: he means you shouldn't use live. regular install is the way to go
• 2563[16:08:26] <_heimdall> Oh.
• 2564[16:08:28] <_heimdall> so
• 2565[16:08:28] <markybob> _heimdall: you can use regular with usb as well
• 2566[16:08:29] <_heimdall> ok
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• 2568[16:08:39] <_heimdall> Give me a screenshot then.
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• 2571[16:09:04] <themill> _heimdall: maybe it's time for you to do your own research
• 2572[16:09:06] <helio> abrotman: replaced-url
• 2573[16:09:12] <_heimdall> :C
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• 2579[16:09:57] <_heimdall> Okay it's there.
• 2580[16:10:11] <_heimdall> And uh...
• 2581[16:10:14] <_heimdall> nvidia drivers?
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• 2585[16:11:42] <helio> i need to know if it is fixable before working in the OS general config
• 2586[16:11:56] <_heimdall> I'm asking risking being flamed since I remember attempts at installing nvidia drivers usually broke my system.
• 2587[16:13:03] <themill> _heimdall: you need to actually ask questions.
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• 2590[16:14:13] <_heimdall> Is there a reliable method for installing nvidia drivers?
• 2591[16:14:39] <themill> dpkg: tell _heimdall about nvidia
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• 2595[16:15:33] <_heimdall> Oh, themill, it's so slow that windows strobe when moved.
• 2596[16:15:46] <themill> "it"?
• 2597[16:15:51] <_heimdall> noveau
• 2598[16:16:00] <_heimdall> nuvevau
• 2599[16:16:01] <_heimdall> w/e
• 2600[16:16:23] <themill> Feel free to read the remainder of what dpkg said. You don't have to stop after 6 words.
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• 2603[16:16:49] <_heimdall> Very clever.
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• 2606[16:17:33] <abrotman> helio: no need to msg me, please keep it in the channel
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• 2608[16:17:45] <helio> abrotman: ok
• 2609[16:17:47] <abrotman> helio: that's an extended partition
• 2610[16:18:00] <abrotman> wikipedia can explain that
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• 2614[16:20:37] <helio> ok, now i know that extended reference... but the numbers are dancing in the dark yet!
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• 2627[16:23:21] <helio> so the full HDD capacity is 1T and /dev/sda point to 931.5GiB
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• 2629[16:24:24] <lokien> hey guys, I'm bying a new pc soon, but my motherboard will have the Realtek RTL8111H ethernet card - will it cause any problems now?
• 2630[16:24:42] <lokien> I see it was problematic few years ago, but I don't know about now
• 2631[16:24:50] <helio> /dev/sda2 (extended) declare 923.1G and home ../sda7 shows 912 !
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• 2636[16:26:37] <helio> abrotman: do you think that is normal?
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• 2639[16:27:58] <wewlad> replaced-url
• 2640[16:28:02] <wewlad> damn, wrong tab
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• 2642[16:28:14] <dvs> wewlad, grrr! ;-)
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• 2644[16:28:34] <SaveTheRobots> helio: hardware uses base-10 to measure size, OS uses base-2, you then lose space because of filesystem reserved blocks, etc
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• 2650[16:29:36] <helio> SaveTheRobots: Do you think that 69GiB is for reserved blocks?
• 2651[16:29:55] <markybob> 5% is default
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• 2654[16:31:45] <helio> have nobody any undertandable explanation, plz?
• 2655[16:31:53] <helio> replaced-url
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• 2657[16:32:12] <SaveTheRobots> helio: like markybob said, it's a percentage of the total size of the partition, 5% is default afaik
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• 2659[16:32:40] <SaveTheRobots> if you have a 1TB partition, you lose 50GB
• 2660[16:32:52] <SaveTheRobots> you can change this when formatting the partition
• 2661[16:32:59] <markybob> the reason is so that a user can't do something stupid, fill up the entire disk and lock out even root from doing anything
• 2662[16:33:51] <lokien> can anyone help me, please?
• 2663[16:34:30] <SaveTheRobots> markybob: afaik, it's mainly because of fragmentation, ext4 poops itself in terms of performance when >95% full
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• 2705[16:59:06] <helio> partition 3 is not begining in the phisic sector edge. What this means?
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• 2716[17:05:23] <hyper_ch> hi there, why is there a tzdata update like every 2-3 weeks?
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• 2718[17:05:57] <Walex> all filesystems start to work pretty badly with less than 10-20% free space. It is inevitable.
• 2719[17:06:24] <Walex> hyper_ch: because it is a whole-world file with a lot of little rules for every country.
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• 2721[17:06:51] <hyper_ch> but I doubt they keep altering the tzdata all the time...
• 2722[17:07:15] <themill> hyper_ch: they do as described in the changelog
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• 2724[17:07:34] <dokk> hi
• 2725[17:07:42] <dokk> So when I need a very old debian woody docker image - how can I obtain it? :)
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• 2727[17:07:48] <jpalmer> hyper_ch: on the contrary, they are. when a location decides what day they are going to honor daylight savings time, and things of that nature.
• 2728[17:07:48] <dokk> I know, this is exotic - but I need it
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• 2730[17:08:04] <dutchfish> dokk, debian archives
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• 2733[17:08:16] <dutchfish> !archives
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• 2735[17:08:16] <dpkg> [archive] a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
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• 2737[17:08:21] <themill> dokk: you'll be making your own; docker didn't exist when woody was a supported release
• 2738[17:08:27] <jpalmer> dokk: you best bet is probably building one yourself using debootstrap or similar.
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• 2740[17:08:41] <hyper_ch> jpalmer: don't they have fix rules for DST?
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• 2743[17:09:03] <jpalmer> hyper_ch: not every place. as mentioned, you can review the changelog
• 2744[17:09:07] <dokk> jpalmer: ok, so I take the oldest existing docker sample and adjust it to woody and hope for the best
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• 2747[17:09:31] <hyper_ch> jpalmer: :(
• 2748[17:09:37] <jpalmer> dokk: I said nothing of the sort. I said you'll likely need to build one yourself since woody is no longer maintained.
• 2749[17:10:03] <themill> hyper_ch: which "they" do you think wouldn't change its mind from time to time? (Where are you?)
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• 2754[17:10:47] <hyper_ch> themill: here it's been since introduction of DST that it gets changed on last weekend in march/oct
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• 2756[17:10:57] <dutchfish> dokk, i did it on old hardware and virtualizing it later
• 2757[17:11:00] <themill> hyper_ch: where is "here"?
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• 2760[17:11:22] <dutchfish> dokk, you cant run that old kernels
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• 2762[17:11:26] <hyper_ch> themill: switzerland
• 2763[17:11:49] <themill> hyper_ch: so you'll know that the "October" change used to be in September. Governments change their minds.
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• 2765[17:12:03] <dokk> alright
• 2766[17:12:04] <jpalmer> hyper_ch: replaced-url
• 2767[17:12:07] <dokk> so I need a full HVM
• 2768[17:12:08] <dokk> thanks
• 2769[17:12:11] <dokk> another thing though
• 2770[17:12:21] <dokk> I also want to use Debian Squeeze - I also need it for special stuff
• 2771[17:12:26] <dokk> however, the apt mirror seems to be down
• 2772[17:12:29] <dokk> :/
• 2773[17:12:36] <themill> dokk: squeeze isn't on the mirrors
• 2774[17:12:39] <hyper_ch> themill: when was it in september?
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• 2777[17:12:57] <themill> hyper_ch: up until 1996
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• 2779[17:12:58] <dutchfish> dokk, squeeze is no problem, but delve in LTS
• 2780[17:12:58] <dokk> themill: any alternative? e.g. I want to install old stuff for it from apt?
• 2781[17:13:01] <dokk> aha
• 2782[17:13:02] <dokk> LTS
• 2783[17:13:07] <themill> dpkg: tell dokk about archive
• 2784[17:13:08] <dokk> and if I want a specific version that existed at squeeze times?
• 2785[17:13:14] <hyper_ch> themill: so once every 20 year there's achange
• 2786[17:13:20] <jpalmer> dokk: word of advice re: docker. I'd strongly urge you to not get in the habit of using docker to support unsupported software. It's just going to lead to a world of hurt. Rather, I'd spend the effort to formulate a migration strategy to a supported release.
• 2787[17:13:22] <dutchfish> dokk, however suport for squeeze ended there as well
• 2788[17:13:27] <themill> hyper_ch: now multiply that by a couple of hundred countries.
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• 2790[17:14:00] <themill> or just read the changelog.
• 2791[17:14:15] <dutchfish> dokk, so far i am still running sarge, lenny, squeeze and newer ones
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• 2793[17:14:35] <dutchfish> dokk, alas no more woody
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• 2795[17:15:04] <hyper_ch> themill: you know why it changed in 1996?
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• 2798[17:15:32] <themill> hyper_ch: to align with neighbouring countries that had different dates iirc
• 2799[17:15:56] <hyper_ch> the EU changed from sept to oct in 1996 and switzerland followed suit
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• 2803[17:16:37] <hyper_ch> gotte check apticron on how to exclude tzdata
• 2804[17:16:46] <loongson> I'm on debian sid on a loongson-3 cpu. All the packages are up to date as much as possible. The only thing not debian yet is the kernel/initrd. These are still fc21.
• 2805[17:17:05] <jpalmer> hyper_ch: realistically, it doesn't matter "why" it changed, the fact is, it changed. and it does frequently. hence the tzdata updates.
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• 2807[17:17:39] <loongson> cat /proc/cmdline has root=/dev/sdb1 ro rhgb rd_start=0x85000000 rd_size=0xb394ee autoplug=off e1000e.InterruptThrottleRate=4,4,4,4
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• 2810[17:18:36] <topi`> loongson, isn't that a MIPS compatible CPU?
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• 2812[17:19:19] <topi`> is loongson-3 32 or 64 bit?
• 2813[17:20:09] <topi`> loongson, I'm on 64-bit arm (aarch64) and there's still a couple of packages needing some porting effort. Chromium is the worst offender
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• 2815[17:21:32] <loongson> it's 64-bit most of the time, but it could be running 32-bit stuff if you want just like intel stuff. The first drive's first partitio has the fedora boot stuff: /dev/sda1 has initramfs-4.1.15-2.fc21.loongson.3.mips64el.img and vmlinuz-4.1.15-2.fc21.loongson.3.mips64el
• 2816[17:22:00] <loongson> kexec -l /boot/vmlinux-4.4.0-1-loongson-3 --append="root=/dev/sdb1 ro rhgb rd_start=0x85000000 rd_size=0xb394ee autoplug=off e1000e.InterruptThrottleRate=4,4,4,4" --initrd=/boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-1-loongson-3
• 2817[17:22:54] <loongson> I tried thsi command, but it doesn't accept the --initrd switch in the mips64el version of kexec. --initrd switch seems to only be an x86 allowed switch.
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• 2821[17:23:37] <loongson> The other thing is I noticed the newer debian kernels and grub are very different from the older fc21 grub, initrd and kernel.
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• 2823[17:24:38] <lokien> hey guys, I'm bying a new pc soon, but my motherboard will have the Realtek RTL8111H ethernet card - will it cause any problems now?
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• 2825[17:24:41] <loongson> I'm trying hard to get the 4.4 kernel running on loongson-3, but it isn't cooperating yet.
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• 2828[17:26:34] <loongson> lokien: what motherboard are you getting exactly?
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• 2830[17:27:13] <lokien> loongson: msi h110i pro
• 2831[17:27:14] <loongson> topi: yes it is a mips compatible cpu.
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• 2833[17:28:05] <jelly> loongson: there's a #debian-mips on irc.oftc.net but it's pretty small
• 2834[17:28:26] <loongson> thank you, I'll go there.
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• 2840[17:32:17] <lokien> loongson: any clue?
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• 2843[17:33:02] <loongson> replaced-url
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• 2845[17:33:44] <lokien> yeah, that one
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• 2858[17:38:14] <loongson> The wired stuff seems to have fixes done in 2010 using realtek 8168 drivers aka r8168
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• 2863[17:38:31] <ArminiusMATE> Buenos diaz
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• 2865[17:38:58] <socomm> Do you speak american?
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• 2867[17:39:10] <lokien> loongson: thank you very much :)
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• 2869[17:39:22] <jelly> that IS american, socomm
• 2870[17:39:24] <teraflops> ArminiusMATE: Diaz is a surname ...I bet you meant to say dias
• 2871[17:39:38] <ArminiusMATE> No sadly that tongue died 500 years ago when the euros arrived ...
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• 2874[17:39:56] <loongson> lokien: not done yet.
• 2875[17:40:15] <ArminiusMATE> teraflops: muchas gracias por la correction!
• 2876[17:40:18] <socomm> ArminiusMATE: Was that before the asians crossed Bering Strait?
• 2877[17:40:21] <teraflops> ArminiusMATE: de nada
• 2878[17:40:25] <loongson> I'm looking for the ko file you need to load or look for specifically and where it should be on your hard-drive.
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• 2880[17:40:44] <socomm> Correccion, pendejo!
• 2881[17:40:59] <lokien> loongson: ah, okay
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• 2883[17:41:49] <ArminiusMATE> So after all ethnic heritages have been staked ... maybe its time for a technical question
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• 2885[17:41:55] <teraflops> heh
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• 2888[17:42:08] <ArminiusMATE> Anyone running Debian on PPC?
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• 2890[17:42:16] <socomm> ArminiusMATE: NOPE!
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• 2892[17:42:23] <socomm> No one.
• 2893[17:43:06] <ArminiusMATE> socomm: Only in the New World or globally? ;-)
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• 2895[17:43:39] <socomm> Didn't IBM sell off the PPC architecture?
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• 2897[17:44:09] <ArminiusMATE> Really to whom ?
• 2898[17:44:20] <bazhang> !powerpc
• 2899[17:44:20] <dpkg> PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (replaced-url
• 2900[17:44:30] <bazhang> ArminiusMATE, ^
• 2901[17:44:34] <teraflops> ArminiusMATE: sure someone do, I did time ago in a power G5
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• 2904[17:45:32] <socomm> replaced-url
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• 2906[17:46:04] <ArminiusMATE> Well the feeling on a PowerG5 with Ubuntu is great, much faster than on MacOS and no surfing hickups.
• 2907[17:46:21] <socomm> From what I remember IBM sold off most (all) of its hardware arms. They're in the software game now.
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• 2909[17:46:31] <loongson> lokien: /lib/modules/...r8188eu.ko and r8152.ko should be good to modprobe or insmod with.
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• 2911[17:46:58] <teraflops> ArminiusMATE: out of curiosity what gpu are you using there?
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• 2914[17:47:19] * shingouz wonders idly what all this PPC and IBM speculation has to do with debian support
• 2915[17:47:26] <lokien> loongson: ty again
• 2916[17:47:40] <ArminiusMATE> socomm: Only follwogin AMD, who also solds their fabs to the arabs, imho a decision with long lasting ramifications
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• 2918[17:47:56] <socomm> fabs?
• 2919[17:48:06] <zinx> ArminiusMATE: they're also licensing out x86 now, though..
• 2920[17:48:17] <socomm> zinx: Ha, I saw that.
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• 2923[17:48:40] <ArminiusMATE> shingouz: Interesting question, felt that too many kids are hanging aroudn the ubuntu channels so I picked this place - I hope you dont mind ...
• 2924[17:48:46] <zinx> socomm: tbqh i think it can only be good for us ;)
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• 2926[17:49:01] <ArminiusMATE> zinx: isnt x86 INtel's baby ?
• 2927[17:49:04] <zinx> Intel will probably be mad though, might reneg on patent agreements
• 2928[17:49:15] <shingouz> ArminiusMATE: actually we do. this all clogs up the channel for real support issues. please take this to #debian-offtopic
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• 2930[17:49:19] <zinx> ArminiusMATE: yes, but amd64 (also called x86-64) is AMD's creation
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• 2933[17:49:43] <loongson> lokien: out of the box with a new version of debian aka 8.4 or debian sid, it should just detect and load it. If not, you can just login as root and do "modprobe rtl8188eu" or "insmod rtl8188eu". You shouldn't have to since it will autodetect what modules you need when the kernel boots up.
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• 2935[17:50:21] <zinx> that driver may require firmware - dmesg will show a message about missing firmware if you don't have it
• 2936[17:50:31] <ArminiusMATE> shingouz: For my defence, not actually though It might be needed, the problem I am having is with YABOOT afaik a DEBIAN child.
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• 2939[17:51:05] <zinx> ArminiusMATE: we can't really help much with debian derivatives, esp. since one of the things they most commonly change is the boot process.
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• 2941[17:51:15] <loongson> apt-cache search "realtek" gives : firmware-realtek - Binary firmware for Realtek wired/wifi/BT adapters r8168-dkms - dkms source for the r8168 network driver. Make sure to install these and you should be good.
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• 2945[17:51:51] <shingouz> ArminiusMATE: you really should go over to #debianppc in that case
• 2946[17:51:55] <zinx> ArminiusMATE: and kernel modules / firmware packages :)
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• 2949[17:52:18] <shingouz> oh. i forgot. it is sunday
• 2950[17:52:19] <ArminiusMATE> ahh thanks for the hing - off I go then - happy hibernation to all ;-)
• 2951[17:52:22] * shingouz mooches off
• 2952[17:52:34] <zinx> shingouz: permasunday
• 2953[17:52:47] <loongson> lokien: apt-get install firmware-realtek r8168-dkms
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• 2956[17:53:31] <shingouz> zinx: and dpkg has conveniently forgot a nice little ditty about sundays. i'll be off again, ta-ta
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• 2964[17:56:11] <wallbroken> hello
• 2965[17:56:16] <wallbroken> how to enable upnp on debian?
• 2966[17:56:35] <wallbroken> (client)
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• 2968[17:57:12] <lokien> loongson: I'll use it for sure. too bad you've quit before I noticed :(
• 2969[17:58:17] <hiya> anyone using and happy with testing/sid here?
• 2970[17:58:46] <teraflops> wallbroken: depends on the client. Also enable on the client side sounds weird.
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• 2973[17:59:17] <hiya> anyone using and happy with Debian testing/sid here? I moved to Fedora 23 today annd am totally tired of how SELinux works, kindly help me get back to home (Debian)
• 2974[17:59:27] <teraflops> wallbroken: so describe the real issue
• 2975[17:59:40] <Drzacek_> Hi. I just configured my debian machine to IPv6 (dhcp). After reebot ifconfig shows ipv6 address for eth0 - but it can't ping anything (is this normal)?
• 2976[17:59:59] <Dagger> Drzacek_: using `ping6`?
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• 2978[18:00:14] <Drzacek_> Dagger, of course not, since I never heard of it
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• 2981[18:00:49] <Dagger> ping/ping6 are (finally) merged in sid. jessie still has the silly split
• 2982[18:01:09] <Drzacek> I tried ping6 google.com - unknown host
• 2983[18:01:17] <teraflops> Dagger: are you doing dhcp+RA ?
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• 2986[18:02:44] <Dagger> Drzacek: hm. can you try `ping6 2600::` and `ping6 he.net`?
• 2987[18:02:48] <teraflops> Drzacek: I.meant can you ping by ip?
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• 2990[18:03:13] <SaveTheRobots> hiya: i'm running unstable atm, very happily ;)
• 2991[18:03:17] <Dagger> (the first to test for v6 connectivity, the second to see if non-Google domains work -- Google maintain, or used to maintain, an AAAA blacklist for some ISPs)
• 2992[18:03:22] <Drzacek> ping6 2600:: works (I assume it is ipv6 equivalent of 127.0.0.1?)
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• 2994[18:03:33] <Dagger> although: you're connected to freenode over v6, so I guess it's working
• 2995[18:03:34] <SaveTheRobots> and you can disable selinux with 'setenforce 0' and setting SETENFORCE in /etc/defaults/selinux (i think)
• 2996[18:03:59] <Dagger> Drzacek: localhost is ::1. 2600:: is replaced-url
• 2997[18:04:06] <Drzacek> Dagger, ping6 he.net - unknown host
• 2998[18:04:26] <socomm> Drzacek: Do you have DNS set up?
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• 3000[18:04:43] <socomm> Drzacek: You can obviously hit IPv6 address but no DNS names.
• 3001[18:04:44] <Dagger> does `ping he.net` work? (i.e. is your DNS still working at all)
• 3002[18:04:52] <teraflops> Drzacek: try to ping 2001:470:6b1c::1
• 3003[18:04:59] <wallbroken> teraflops, i have installed "amule" and i need to open ports for it trought upnp
• 3004[18:05:00] <teraflops> That's my ip
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• 3006[18:05:25] <teraflops> wallbroken: enable it on your router
• 3007[18:05:39] <wallbroken> yes i've done
• 3008[18:05:39] <Drzacek> socomm, I just did dhcp of ipv6, I didn't specified any dns
• 3009[18:05:45] <wallbroken> but maybe isn't enought
• 3010[18:05:51] <socomm> Drzacek: There you go.
• 3011[18:05:53] <wallbroken> i need some component/library on OS
• 3012[18:06:10] <hiya> SaveTheRobots, ok, is it stable? lol Should I go with Testing or unstable?
• 3013[18:06:15] <Drzacek> looks like it ping6s IP addresses
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• 3015[18:07:22] <teraflops> Drzacek: then add a ipv6 nameserver to your resolve.conf
• 3016[18:07:32] <Drzacek> teraflops, I'm on it
• 3017[18:07:41] <teraflops> Fuckin phone
• 3018[18:07:43] <teraflops> Sorry
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• 3021[18:08:41] <Dagger> a v6 nameserver isn't neccessary to look up AAAA records
• 3022[18:08:41] <SaveTheRobots> hiya: depends on your definition of "stable" ;).. stable is "stable", testing is pretty stable, unstable _can be_ unstable
• 3023[18:08:50] <hammo> hey hey, anyone got a good recent guide to setting up ssh rsa keys for login? did some googling but only found guides 2+years old?
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• 3025[18:08:53] <SaveTheRobots> if you're a noob then you should stick to stable and backports really, or testing at max
• 3026[18:08:58] <Dagger> you do need *a* nameserver though, v4 or v6
• 3027[18:10:07] <teraflops> Dagger: indeed you explained it better than me
• 3028[18:10:36] <Drzacek> Can I get away with only ipv6? Or do I also need ipv4 configured so I can browse internet?
• 3029[18:11:08] <hiya> SaveTheRobots, ok then I would go with testing, where can I download testing?
• 3030[18:11:18] <teraflops> Drzacek: dual stack is better but not an obligation
• 3031[18:11:26] <Dagger> Drzacek: for the most part, you need v4
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• 3035[18:12:01] <Dagger> (you can use DNS64+NAT64, but that's usually more effort than just doing v4 with NAT44)
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• 3039[18:12:58] <Drzacek> what do I miss without v4?
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• 3041[18:13:02] <teraflops> Drzacek: there are browser extensions so you can see if you're doing ipv4 or v6
• 3042[18:13:30] <teraflops> Drzacek: a lot of sites don't do ipv6
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• 3044[18:14:27] <teraflops> Drzacek for email servers is even worse
• 3045[18:14:47] <Drzacek> okay
• 3046[18:14:47] <hammo> btw teraflops that issue I had with ipv4 add not being assigned via editing /etc/network/interfaces then ifdown/up. = reboot all works. ip assigned as per net/interfaces. i tried even restarting network serrvice didnt apply changes. still doesnt. need reboot to apply changes to interfaces conf file
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• 3051[18:15:44] <teraflops> hammo: ah. OK.
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• 3060[18:19:35] <teraflops> hammo: anyway I believe ifup/down the proper interface works too
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• 3065[18:20:29] <hammo> proper interface?
• 3066[18:20:50] <teraflops> The correct one. Sorry
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• 3075[18:24:16] <BenderRodriguez> is it possible to selectively ignore dependency checcks on certain packages
• 3076[18:24:21] <BenderRodriguez> when install .deb archives?
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• 3079[18:25:06] <hammo> i can edit /etc/network/interfaces then up/down or restart network service and get no change at all, but reboot pc applies changes correctly? how can I trouble shoot why this is happening?
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• 3082[18:26:25] <Drzacek> Sooo. I got Ipv6, that seems to be public address, so I don't need any port forwarding on my router, to ssh on it. But how about http serwer? Will I be able to open website on my serwer from "outside" with only ipv6? If I get ipv4, I only get local address in my lan, without port forwarding ability.
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• 3086[18:27:05] <antihistaminesop> hammo: Mind pasting the interfaces file?
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• 3089[18:28:08] <antihistaminesop> Drzacek: yes you can.
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• 3091[18:28:40] <Drzacek> but anyone without ipv6 won't be able to connect?
• 3092[18:29:09] <hammo> replaced-url
• 3093[18:29:22] <antihistaminesop> Drzacek: unless they use an ipv6 proxy so no they can't
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• 3096[18:29:59] <Drzacek> any way around this?
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• 3098[18:30:22] <hammo> i can manually change with ifconfig commands but just not using interfaces file....
• 3099[18:30:30] <antihistaminesop> Drzacek: Around wat?
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• 3101[18:30:33] <hammo> without reboot
• 3102[18:30:52] <TomTomTosch> Drzacek: a proxy with dual stack.
• 3103[18:31:17] <Drzacek> so no way around it :D
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• 3105[18:31:33] <Drzacek> okay, I just have to make sure I always use ipv6 machine
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• 3107[18:31:56] <antihistaminesop> hammo: Lan0? Wan0?...
• 3108[18:33:26] <hammo> renamed em using /dev makes life easier then eth0 1 2
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• 3113[18:33:47] <hammo> didnt work before I renamed interfaces
• 3114[18:34:03] <antihistaminesop> hammo: no clue then. You are messing with udev
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• 3118[18:35:31] <hammo> apparently thats a recommended step to stop eth0 becoming eth1 which can happen after kernal updates etc?? is this not good idea?
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• 3125[18:38:16] <Dagger> Drzacek: welcome to why we're doing v6 in the first place
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• 3130[18:40:16] <Drzacek> don't think I follow. I know that we need to switch someday, but it is huge pain for me right now.
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• 3136[18:41:11] <Dagger> well, you could just use v4. except, wait... you can't. because we're out of v4
• 3137[18:41:15] <Dagger> which is why we're doing v6
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• 3140[18:42:08] <antihistaminesop> Drzacek: a huge pain is the nat nonsense or the prices you pay for an ipv4 block
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• 3148[18:47:46] <Drzacek> okay, I added dns servers (google) to /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, but still I get unknown host
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• 3153[18:48:54] <antihistaminesop> Drzacek: what did you exactly add?
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• 3157[18:49:31] <Drzacek> nameserver 2001:4860:4860:8888 and the same with :8844
• 3158[18:49:38] <Drzacek> in resolv.conf
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• 3160[18:50:10] <antihistaminesop> Hmm
• 3161[18:50:12] <Drzacek> prepend domain-name-servers 2001:4860:4860:8888; in dhclient.conf
• 3162[18:50:30] <Drzacek> after changing resolv.conf - reboot. I didn't restart after changing dhclient
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• 3171[18:55:53] <dontknow> trying to install unity is calling for trouble?
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• 3174[18:57:37] <TomTomTosch> yes.
• 3175[18:57:53] <Myrtti> which Unity?
• 3176[18:58:04] <dontknow> i tried ubuntu 16.04 and i liked it
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• 3178[18:58:10] <dontknow> Myrtti, ubuntus unity
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• 3180[18:58:25] <Myrtti> then why don't you use Ubuntu :-)
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• 3182[18:59:36] <dontknow> Myrtti, one of the reason is that it is non free
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• 3185[19:00:05] <dontknow> and i don't trust canonical and ubuntu is spyware
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• 3187[19:00:36] <dontknow> it is a for profit corp.
• 3188[19:00:36] <Myrtti> ooookay
• 3189[19:01:06] <jmcnaught> dontknow: from what i understand unity depends on a patched version of GTK to allow the menus to be placed at the top of the screen, so this is why it is not available in Debian. If you and others want to compare distros ##linux is probably a better place for that.
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• 3192[19:02:04] <dontknow> jmcnaught, i see. thanks for explanation
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• 3194[19:02:13] <dontknow> then it is calling for a trouble
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• 3202[19:04:06] <dontknow> ubuntu was buggy though
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• 3223[19:07:23] <dontknow> Myrtti, also ubuntu doesn't support their universe repos which most of the packages there
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• 3225[19:09:27] <moha> Hi. I have installed emacs24-common-non-dfsg on Debian Testing but still cannot access 'About GNU' in GNU Emacs.
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• 3228[19:09:48] <eneon> Hi, one of my filesystem in /etc/fstab has suid and user=replaced-url
• 3229[19:09:54] <KobraLocke> htop recently upgraded and now mem/swap usage is displayed in GB instead of MB. Anyone know how to change it back to the original behaviour? This is unacceptable as it is.
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• 3232[19:10:20] <KobraLocke> I don't want to see 1.4Gb of mem usage, I want to see xxxxMB
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• 3252[19:17:22] <Drzacek> who could habe thought - google ipv6 dns didn't work. Thank god for opendns
• 3253[19:17:53] <Dagger> ...oh, I see why
• 3254[19:17:56] <Dagger> 2001:4860:4860:8888 isn't a valid address
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• 3257[19:18:07] <Drzacek> damn
• 3258[19:18:13] <Drzacek> I missed one : didn't I?
• 3259[19:18:16] <Dagger> (it's 2001:4860:4860::8888)
• 3260[19:18:17] <Dagger> yeah
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• 3263[19:18:44] <Drzacek> well, since before today all I know about ipv6 was that I shouldn't touch it, I could be forgiven for that
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• 3265[19:19:06] <rgr> but not big shotting it here and basically saying google's engineers are useless.
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• 3270[19:19:29] <jmcnaught> KobraLocke: still showing MB for me
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• 3274[19:19:56] <KobraLocke> jmcnaught: seems to be showing MB for low numbers and crawls to GB after reaching 1GB
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• 3276[19:20:12] <Drzacek> rgr, thats not what I said
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• 3278[19:20:35] <KobraLocke> MEM showing 1.22G/1.97G, and Swap showing 60.6M/1.99G
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• 3281[19:20:49] <KobraLocke> I have no idea why anyone would want it to be displayed like this.
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• 3283[19:21:04] <jmcnaught> KobraLocke: did this happen on Jessie?
• 3284[19:21:12] <KobraLocke> I'm using testing.
• 3285[19:21:29] <Johntitor> Drzacek: ah still issues? try to trobleshoot, you can ping ipv6 right? can you e.g `sudo traceroute6 -d 2001:4860:4860::8888` ?
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• 3287[19:21:50] <jmcnaught> KobraLocke: ahh.. well things change on testing. you could check the man page to see if there's a new option or something, or maybe people in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net know something
• 3288[19:22:15] <KobraLocke> jmcnaught: nothing in the man page
• 3289[19:22:18] <Drzacek> Johntitor, no, I corrected my dns entries in resolv.conf, and it seems that I can ping normal addresses now
• 3290[19:22:41] <Johntitor> Drzacek: ah
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• 3292[19:23:13] <Drzacek> so if I want to add ipv4, I need to configure another interface eth0, or does ipv4 and ipv6 belong to single interface?
• 3293[19:23:21] <Drzacek> eth1*
• 3294[19:23:35] <Johntitor> Drzacek: who is your ipv6 provider? your isp?
• 3295[19:23:42] <Drzacek> unitymedia
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• 3298[19:24:52] <Johntitor> ah im not aware of how you do dual stack with ISP provider
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• 3301[19:25:09] <Drzacek> okay, so I dont get ipv4
• 3302[19:25:22] <Drzacek> it is still so confusing
• 3303[19:25:23] <Johntitor> Drzacek: I do he.net tunnelbroker my ISP still does not do ipv6
• 3304[19:25:36] <Drzacek> my does only ipv6
• 3305[19:25:40] <Johntitor> Drzacek: idk about your isp sorry
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• 3307[19:25:51] <Drzacek> Johntitor, it's ok
• 3308[19:26:15] <Johntitor> Drzacek: no ipv4 connectivity? you already checked?
• 3309[19:26:17] <jmcnaught> KobraLocke: looks like stretch is using htop 2.0, you could look up changelogs for the package and on the upstream site
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• 3315[19:28:18] <Johntitor> Drzacek: you can have an ipv4 and ipv6 for the same interface though
• 3316[19:29:21] <Johntitor> Drzacek: e.g replaced-url
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• 3318[19:29:53] <Drzacek> ok
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• 3326[19:37:18] <Drzacek> does all debian repositories accept ipv6 connections?
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• 3329[19:38:44] <TomTomTosch> you can check here: replaced-url
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• 3335[19:40:24] <Drzacek> okay
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• 3345[19:42:18] <Drzacek> I'm trying to install mariadb-client/server, but it says it has unmet dependencies: mariadb-client : depends: mariadb-client-10.0. Looks like some logical error to me
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• 3347[19:43:04] <jmcnaught> !bat
• 3348[19:43:04] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 3349[19:43:13] <jmcnaught> Drzacek: can you do the above please?
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• 3353[19:44:24] <Drzacek> jmcnaught, gonna be hard, not sure how I should copy output
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• 3356[19:45:32] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell Drzacek about pastebinit
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• 3363[19:47:27] <Drzacek> I have an idea, I ssh to it and copy from terminal
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• 3368[19:48:33] <Drzacek> replaced-url
• 3369[19:48:36] <jmcnaught> Drzacek: the pastebinit factoid that dpkg messaged to you shows how to use the pastebinit command
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• 3375[19:53:00] <Johntitor> KobraLocke: I asked myself the same, afaik it's coreutils fault not htop itself
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• 3379[19:53:36] <TomTomTosch> Drzacek: need the rest of the information too.
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• 3381[19:54:13] <KobraLocke> Johntitor: I haven't seen you since 2028! How you doing? Also, seems to be coreutils update according to a bug report I seen somebody filed
• 3382[19:54:18] <jmcnaught> Drzacek: and please stop using pastebin.com, it shows adds, often requires a CAPTCHA, and is generally unfriendly to browsers
• 3383[19:54:36] <KobraLocke> But the dev also said this was intended feature in a different bug report
• 3384[19:54:37] <Johntitor> KobraLocke: yeah Im bussy time travels sucks :P
• 3385[19:54:38] <Drzacek> jmcnaught, oh, didn't know. Any better alternative?
• 3386[19:54:47] <Drzacek> TomTomTosch, I'm almost done
• 3387[19:54:55] <Johntitor> KobraLocke: from htop 2.0 man page replaced-url
• 3388[19:55:02] <jmcnaught> Drzacek: the one mentioned in the !bat factoid ;) replaced-url
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• 3390[19:55:30] <Johntitor> KobraLocke: mind sharing those links?
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• 3395[19:56:43] <KobraLocke> replaced-url
• 3396[19:56:44] <Drzacek> replaced-url
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• 3398[19:57:30] <Drzacek> replaced-url
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• 3402[19:58:07] <Drzacek> replaced-url
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• 3404[19:58:40] <jmcnaught> Drzacek: seems like you are missing lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list. You could make a paste of yours, or edit yours to make it look like the example on this page: replaced-url
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• 3406[19:59:13] <Johntitor> KobraLocke: thanks
• 3407[19:59:33] <Drzacek> replaced-url
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• 3410[20:01:01] <jmcnaught> Drzacek: yes, you only have the security and updates, not the primary jessie repository. see the example in the wiki link that i sent you, make your look like that one
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• 3418[20:03:13] <bodom> Hi there! does anybody know a way/software to get a list of all manually installed packages (exluding "auto"?) I would like to review it and clean my system
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• 3421[20:04:21] <Drzacek> jmcnaught, that helped. It installs now
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• 3435[20:09:31] <jmcnaught> bodom: "apt-mark showmanual" or "aptitude search '~i~poptional!~M'" are two ways i can think of
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• 3442[20:12:50] <jmcnaught> bodom: the apt-mark command will also show stuff that is essential, and stuff in the important, required and standard priorities that you most likely want to keep. anyways be careful while removing stuff, check the proposed list of changes carefully before saying yes. if you're not constrained for space having some extra packages lying around isn't so bad compared to accidentally removing your desktop en
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• 3444[20:12:56] <jmcnaught> viroment
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• 3447[20:14:15] <bodom> jmcnaught: thank you! I'll be careful, I promise. It's not only about space: it's also about bandwidth for updating unneeded software every time
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• 3451[20:17:19] <kenny_ken> Hello guys :)
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• 3453[20:17:51] <kenny_ken> I have a question. I have a debian jessie server running, which runs a minecraft gameserver (java).
• 3454[20:18:17] <kenny_ken> I started the server yesterday by using a new screen instance, then starting the .jar file.
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• 3456[20:19:15] <kenny_ken> When I connect via ssh now, I see that the gameserver is still running, but I have no clue how to "switch" to thar process, so that I see the information from the server (the command jobs doesn't show anything)
• 3457[20:20:20] <kenny_ken> I tried fg *pid* but I get a "no such job" error :(
• 3458[20:20:45] <TomTomTosch> kenny_ken: screen -ls to list screen sessions and screen -r <id> to reattach
• 3459[20:21:00] <kenny_ken> :o Thank you, I forgot about that
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• 3461[20:21:41] <TomTomTosch> no problem. have fun.
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• 3465[20:23:15] <kenny_ken> hm ... screen -ls showed me two instances, but both were not the ones I searched for.
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• 3470[20:25:38] <awwal> How to check available updates via cli without administrator permission?
• 3471[20:25:40] <jmcnaught> kenny_ken: you tried reattaching to each one to check?
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• 3474[20:26:18] <kenny_ken> yes, it worked with the first screen session
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• 3478[20:27:00] <holst> I downloaded the latest netinst image (amd64) and it tells me there is no kernel available in the APT sources. any ideas whats going on here and how I can fix it?
• 3479[20:27:17] <kenny_ken> but when I tried to reattach the second one I get this error message:
• 3480[20:27:19] <jmcnaught> kenny_ken: is this minecraft process interactive in any way? if not it would be more sensible to make a systemd service unit that starts the minecraft server
• 3481[20:27:26] <awwal> aptitude search '~U' doesn't do the job
• 3482[20:27:30] <kenny_ken> replaced-url
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• 3484[20:27:37] <awwal> even as user or root
• 3485[20:28:03] <kenny_ken> the server is interactive, it has a output which shows me some information about players joining and so on.
• 3486[20:28:12] <jmcnaught> awwal: what about "apt list --upgradable" ?
• 3487[20:28:19] <TomTomTosch> holst: please post your the command plus output to paste.debian.net
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• 3489[20:28:42] <kenny_ken> ahh :) I got it!
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• 3491[20:28:55] <kenny_ken> After reattaching it I have to switch to it (obviously) :o
• 3492[20:29:11] <kenny_ken> embarrasing, but thanks anyway!
• 3493[20:29:15] <holst> TomTomTosch: there is no explicit command I'm just running the installer from a usb install with default formatting (with separate /home partition)
• 3494[20:29:17] <awwal> jmcnaught, good. problem solved
• 3495[20:29:30] <holst> looks like its this bug that has regressed
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• 3497[20:29:33] <holst> replaced-url
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• 3499[20:29:34] <awwal> but apt manual doesn't talk about that
• 3500[20:29:35] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3503[20:30:05] <jmcnaught> kenny_ken: i prefer to reattach to screen with "screen -DR" which will force a logout of the last terminal that attached (see the screen man page for details)
• 3504[20:30:23] <kenny_ken> Cool, thanks for the hint
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• 3506[20:30:56] <jmcnaught> holst: what do you mean by "latest netinst image"? jessie? stretch?
• 3507[20:31:27] <awwal> I was wrong, excuses, yes man apt talks about that; i just missed it :P
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• 3510[20:33:20] <holst> jmcnaught: jessie; latest stable
• 3511[20:33:38] <holst> debian-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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• 3513[20:33:53] <awwal> both --upgradable and --upgradeable works, notice the 'e' ,
• 3514[20:34:02] <awwal> hm
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• 3516[20:34:23] <Drzacek> If I want to set static ipv6 address, I go just like withjack
• 3517[20:34:31] <awwal> upgrade able ? xD
• 3518[20:34:42] <pharpend> Hey everyone. Any recommendations on a display manager?
• 3519[20:34:58] <awwal> lightdm is fine
• 3520[20:35:01] <Drzacek> like with standard ipv4, address, gateway, mask? gateway is my router ipv6 address, and mask?
• 3521[20:35:11] <jmcnaught> holst: okay, it think it's more likely that you selected a mirror that is having an issue. can you go back in the installer and select a different mirror? which architecture is this for?
• 3522[20:35:26] <jmcnaught> holst: oh duh.. amd64 :)
• 3523[20:35:39] <Dagger> Drzacek: you can use "address 2001:db8::42/64" syntax for address+mask now
• 3524[20:35:45] <Dagger> (works for v4 too)
• 3525[20:36:09] <Drzacek> Dagger, does IPv4 also has 64bit mask?
• 3526[20:36:38] <Dagger> v4 is 32 bits, it's only going to go from /0 to /32
• 3527[20:37:00] <awwal> pharpend, which DE you run?
• 3528[20:37:11] <pharpend> awwal: i3wm
• 3529[20:37:31] <jmcnaught> holst: also how did you prepare your install medium. if it's USB, what program did you use?
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• 3531[20:37:53] <pharpend> awwal: I normally use 'startx' but I've been having some problems with X11 crashing
• 3532[20:38:13] <awwal> pharpend, lightdm so
• 3533[20:38:25] <holst> lets see, Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.6.4.exe
• 3534[20:38:46] <holst> from pendrivelinux.com
• 3535[20:38:48] <awwal> pharpend lightdm is light and well maintained
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• 3537[20:38:54] <jmcnaught> holst: that might break debian isos the same way that unetbootin does
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• 3539[20:39:12] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell holst about win32diskimager
• 3540[20:39:16] <awwal> pharpend, me I like wdm too
• 3541[20:39:35] <jmcnaught> holst: dpkg just messaged you about the tool that is recommended in the debian install manual (which is worth reading by the way :)
• 3542[20:40:02] <holst> Cool thank you very much. I'll try that tool instead
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• 3548[20:41:28] <awwal> wdm is more lighter then lightdm (but it design dont allow "poweroff", just halt, suspend or hibernate), pharpend. personally I like wdm more then lightdm
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• 3552[20:44:38] <holst> btw, 10GB for / is that really enough for a modern desktop install? or should I increase it to 20GB? :)
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• 3554[20:45:05] <jmcnaught> holst: 10GB is pretty slim, better off with 20GB. Are you using LVM?
• 3555[20:45:56] <holst> No, I usually don't use lvm
• 3556[20:46:02] <discovered> anyone can help me supporting LTE hauwaie modem please? Network Manager not working for this
• 3557[20:46:37] <jmcnaught> holst: i recommend using the guided partitioning with LVM option. putting everything in one volume (instead of separate /home) also makes things simpler.
• 3558[20:47:07] <jmcnaught> holst: with LVM, you can leave some space unallocated and then later add that to whichever volume needs more space, and you get advanced features like snapshots too
• 3559[20:48:59] <holst> I would like to re-install later on and keep /home. is that still possible?
• 3560[20:49:56] <jmcnaught> holst: sure, but even when doing that you should still have a backup of /home. putting it on a separate partition/volume doesn't count as a backup, it just means you can probably skip the restore step
• 3561[20:50:25] <Akuw> is there a software geometry ?
• 3562[20:50:44] <jmcnaught> holst: guided partitioning with LVM does have a "separate /home" option too
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• 3564[20:51:26] <holst> thats probably something I want to look into (I also agreed with the backups; I should always keep a separate backup outside the machine itself)
• 3565[20:51:44] <holst> having /home on a separate partition is more of a convenience thing
• 3566[20:51:58] <lmw> LVM is hard
• 3567[20:52:25] <jmcnaught> LVM is pretty easy once you've read a bit about it
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• 3569[20:52:36] <lmw> try Btrfs
• 3570[20:52:38] <lmw> it's better
• 3571[20:52:40] <jmcnaught> and the debian installer does most of the work for you
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• 3575[20:54:32] <holst> YES! It found a kernel! :D
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• 3577[20:55:04] <holst> jmcnaught: thanks again. :)
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• 3594[21:03:32] <automan> hello
• 3595[21:03:44] <automan> how are you guys girls this fine eve
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• 3598[21:04:27] <jmcnaught> aut0man: hello, are you looking for Debian support? :)
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• 3600[21:04:42] <aut0man> i was hoping that i could find the answer to my question here: how do i automount an luks disk with and keyfile as unlocking file
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• 3603[21:05:53] <aut0man> i have read this guys: but it says ubuntu 5.0, which is a little old to be kind replaced-url
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• 3610[21:06:53] <holst> aut0man: do you want to automount it when you login?
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• 3612[21:07:32] <aut0man> yes exactly
• 3613[21:07:54] <holst> search for pam mount luks. I setup that on my wifes laptop. works really good. I just put her login password in one of the luks keystore slots
• 3614[21:08:07] <aut0man> anyway will work, but i would prefer that solution if its possible
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• 3616[21:08:34] <holst> try and use that, there are some good tutorials out there. did not take me more than 1 hour in total to get it working
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• 3618[21:09:24] <dodo_> I'm in Jessie and I don't know what I have done but since six months ago, every time that a folder needs to be open (when I download some file and I click in open parent folder, or when I extract some files and I click show folder) the system try to open it with Dosbox. Does this have something to do with mime type, and how can I change this behavior?
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• 3621[21:09:48] <aut0man> holst: will it work with keyfiles ? :)
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• 3626[21:12:25] <holst> aut0man: that was not the way I used it but looks like people have been doing it
• 3627[21:12:43] <holst> replaced-url
• 3628[21:12:47] <holst> ^^ like these guys
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• 3652[21:26:26] <discovered> Debian detecting the LTE modem but can't connect to internet... Here is the lsusb: replaced-url
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• 3661[21:29:17] <discovered> Anyone can help me please?
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• 3672[21:33:12] <discovered> Other Modems can be configured using Network manager but This one not working. The modem model is Huawie 5372.
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• 3677[21:34:28] <toruvinn> discovered, your paste says it's Huawei E398...
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• 3680[21:34:56] <discovered> hmm
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• 3682[21:35:21] <discovered> 5372 was in the router body
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• 3684[21:36:56] <discovered> toruvinn, replaced-url
• 3685[21:37:01] <jelly-home> discovered: is usb-modeswitch installed?
• 3686[21:37:09] <discovered> yes
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• 3690[21:39:16] <toruvinn> replaced-url
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• 3695[21:41:10] <Akuw> when a server uses old version of debian that is a security problem if server is not updated? i see many servers with old versions o debian that don't have updates because so old
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• 3699[21:41:55] <TomTomTosch> Akuw: if the server does not get security updates it's a big risk.
• 3700[21:42:37] <discovered> toruvinn, wwan0
• 3701[21:42:40] <toruvinn> Akuw, this depends a lot, on the kernel it's running, services... does it have any users, etc? i mean, if it's not plugged in into network then there's probably no risk. ;-P otherwise, yeah, you may gain an additional root or two this way. ;-)
• 3702[21:42:42] <Drzacek> does ipv6 addresses also take ports with ':', like ::1:9000 ?
• 3703[21:42:54] <Akuw> then how all palces where a old version of debian are installed take care of security? they don't want update because the software in that servers can 't stop working
• 3704[21:43:11] <toruvinn> discovered, well then apparently you should try setting up dhcp for this (/etc/network/interfaces) and just bringing the interface up (ifup wwan0)
• 3705[21:43:24] <CodingWithClass> Drzacek: IIRC [ip]:port
• 3706[21:43:33] <Drzacek> CodingWithClass, thanks
• 3707[21:43:34] <toruvinn> Drzacek, yes, but you often enclose the IPv6 in [] so that it's not confusing
• 3708[21:43:37] <discovered> trying
• 3709[21:43:50] <jmcnaught> Akuw: places running unsupported versions of debian probably aren't taking care of security, they're being negligent
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• 3711[21:44:04] <Akuw> i see
• 3712[21:44:04] <Drzacek> so far ip6 is only confusing
• 3713[21:44:18] <holst> anyone know how the instructions for nvidia 340.x should be updated?
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• 3715[21:44:20] <holst> replaced-url
• 3716[21:44:28] <Akuw> what is the procedure for app servers ?
• 3717[21:44:33] <holst> nvidia-kernel-dkms is no longer a valid package it seems
• 3718[21:44:47] <Pr0metheus> i am trying to install a certificate by : a) copying the file to /usr/share/ca-certificates (it's a crt file) and b) running dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates and i get a warning : site.com.pem does not contain a certificate or CRL: skipping . any idea what could be the problem?
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• 3720[21:45:00] <Akuw> i guess all people developers and sysadmin have to work together to take care of security
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• 3724[21:46:04] <TomTomTosch> Akuw you have no other option than to use software that is still supported. what version of debian are they running?
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• 3727[21:46:27] <Akuw> well, in some places 6.0
• 3728[21:46:29] <Akuw> 5.0
• 3729[21:46:30] <jmcnaught> Pr0metheus: don't copy it to /usr/share/ca-certificates/ that directory should only be managed by dpkg/apt. See the file /usr/share/doc/ca-certificates/README.Debian for instructions on installing a local certficiate
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• 3732[21:46:54] <holst> ahh, nm! I added non-free and contrib to jessie-updates not to jessie.
• 3733[21:46:55] <jelly-home> Akuw: that's nothing, I have etch (4.0) on some internal systems
• 3734[21:47:06] <TomTomTosch> Akuw: that's pretty stupid for something that is facing the internet.
• 3735[21:47:12] <Akuw> but not for webservers ?
• 3736[21:47:23] <Pr0metheus> jmcnaught will do thanks:)
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• 3738[21:47:31] <Akuw> or servers with internet access
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• 3741[21:48:04] <jelly-home> had to build bash for debian 4 and 5 when that bash bug got released
• 3742[21:48:07] <discovered> toruvinn, replaced-url
• 3743[21:48:33] <jmcnaught> personally i would even be worried about relying on wheezy-lts for PHP considering upstream PHP project has EOLed php5.4
• 3744[21:49:07] <Akuw> is the a document that cover all about debian security?
• 3745[21:49:16] <jelly-home> jmcnaught: if you have php exposed, your worry is more the apps than php itself.
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• 3747[21:50:01] <jmcnaught> jelly-home: yeah, the only php i have exposed right now is a personal owncloud instance for me and my housemates that i am considering shutting down
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• 3749[21:50:39] <jelly-home> jmcnaught: vpn, client certs
• 3750[21:51:38] <Johntitor> client certs are fine I do that for icecast <3
• 3751[21:52:13] <jmcnaught> jelly-home: good point, but the roommates basically don't use it already and definitely wouldn't if i imposed client certs or VPN on them, and with the owncloud package's future in question due to upstream attitude i'm probably just going to drop it and use git-annex for myself
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• 3758[21:55:07] <jmcnaught> Akuw: there are several sources of information about security on Debian, but they are mostly relevant to currently supported releases. There's the Debian Security Announcements mail list/RSS feed, and replaced-url
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• 3760[21:55:24] <qqz> I would like to make an USB-stick Debian install work even when the ro-switch of the Debian stick is enabled
• 3761[21:55:52] <qqz> ... /var and /home are already aufs mounted
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• 3763[21:56:14] <qqz> and it boots ok with a ro-root filesystem when the ro-switch is disabled
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• 3765[21:56:45] <Pr0metheus> jmcnaught did follow the instructions, but i still get the warning: WARNING: mysite.com.pem does not contain a certificate or CRL: skipping
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• 3767[21:56:53] <qqz> ... but then when I enable the ro switch it starts to complain that it can not fsck and it does not boot the GUI hanging a long time before
• 3768[21:57:04] <qqz> so what do I need to do
• 3769[21:57:32] <qqz> I have already tried to disable /etc/init.d/check.fsck but without success
• 3770[21:57:42] <jmcnaught> Pr0metheus: is mysite.com.pem a CA certificate that you've created?
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• 3772[21:58:08] <Akuw> then one part of security are updates
• 3773[21:58:13] <dodo_> I'm in Jessie and I don't know what I have done but since six months ago, every time that a folder needs to be open (when I download some file and I click in open parent folder, or when I extract some files and I click show folder) the system try to open it with Dosbox. Does this have something to do with mime type, and how can I change this behavior?
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• 3775[21:58:38] <jmcnaught> Akuw: updates are definitely a critical part of security
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• 3778[21:58:50] <Pr0metheus> jmcnaught i exported the certificate from the site using epiphany browser to a crt file, copied the crt file to the /usr/local/share/ca-certificates and then run update-ca-certificates , tried also with --fresh
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• 3781[21:59:15] <qqz> PrOmetheus: what is it about?
• 3782[21:59:41] <qqz> anyone here who can tell me why my ro-Stick installation won`t boot in ro-mode?
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• 3784[21:59:57] <Pr0metheus> qqz i am trying to import a certificate but i get ARNING: mysite.com.pem does not contain a certificate or CRL: skipping
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• 3787[22:00:25] <qqz> how did you create the .pem file?
• 3788[22:00:35] <qqz> did you look at it with cat/less?
• 3789[22:00:38] <jelly-home> Pr0metheus: what does your .pem file contain, then? grep BEGIN mysite.com.pem
• 3790[22:00:58] <Pr0metheus> i didn't create the pem file, i exported the certificate using epiphany to a .crt file
• 3791[22:01:09] <qqz> the pem file usually contains a certificate that caan be used to access a given site via https
• 3792[22:01:20] <qqz> mhm;
• 3793[22:01:30] <qqz> perhaps try to export it with another browser
• 3794[22:01:45] <qqz> I can not tell about whether epipheny does that correctly
• 3795[22:01:46] <Pr0metheus> i believe that when running update-ca-certificates it creates the pem file
• 3796[22:01:54] <Pr0metheus> ok will try with firefox
• 3797[22:02:06] <Akuw> is there a channel for debian security?
• 3798[22:02:09] <Akuw> irc
• 3799[22:02:19] <qqz> .. aha the update-cac-certificates creates a rooten pem or what?
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• 3801[22:02:38] <qqz> Akuw: I fear not; but there is a mailing list
• 3802[22:02:46] <Akuw> ok
• 3803[22:02:47] <Johntitor> Pr0metheus: it's a selfsigned one?
• 3804[22:02:53] <Akuw> i did suscribe
• 3805[22:02:55] <Pr0metheus> Johntitor: yes
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• 3807[22:03:03] <Johntitor> Pr0metheus: you need to import the CA not the certificate from the site
• 3808[22:03:15] <jelly-home> update-ca-certificates doesn't create files, it just makes a few symlinks
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• 3810[22:04:06] <jelly-home> Johntitor: if it's a selfsigned one, the ca certificate IS the site certificate (that's what selfsigned means)
• 3811[22:04:24] <qqz> usually copying that into the right subdirectory of ca-certificates would also make browsers use that cert though with firefox there is an option to import certs under about:config.
• 3812[22:04:35] <jmcnaught> update-ca-certificates also concatenates all the certs into one big file from what i recall
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• 3814[22:04:40] <qqz> even without runnning that update script
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• 3816[22:05:16] <jelly-home> Pr0metheus: show the output of «grep BEGIN /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/path/to/your.crt»
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• 3820[22:06:05] <Johntitor> jelly-home: right.
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• 3823[22:06:31] <Pr0metheus> jelly-home nothing appears
• 3824[22:06:54] <jelly-home> Pr0metheus: what does «file /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/path/to/your.crt» say, then?
• 3825[22:07:01] <qqz> when it is a correct .pem the following shoudl work: openssl x509 -in my.pem -noout -text
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• 3827[22:07:15] <Pr0metheus> : data
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• 3829[22:07:17] <Pr0metheus> :data
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• 3831[22:07:32] <Pr0metheus> is it in wrong format?
• 3832[22:07:34] <jelly-home> Pr0metheus: then it's not in correct format
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• 3834[22:07:43] <jelly-home> or it's not the right file at all
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• 3837[22:08:01] <qqz> openssl should auto-recognize the format whether it is pem der or whatever
• 3838[22:08:02] <jelly-home> let's assume it's in DER and openssl wants PEM
• 3839[22:08:17] <jelly-home> qqz: yeah... except when it doesn't
• 3840[22:08:20] <Pr0metheus> ok i downloaded with firefox and now it says pem
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• 3843[22:09:01] <Pr0metheus> ok have to redownload, it needs crt not pem
• 3844[22:09:01] <Johntitor> what about getting it with curl? openssl s_client -showcerts -connect server:443 > cacert.pem
• 3845[22:09:24] <jelly-home> Pr0metheus: crt and pem are the same thing, just rename it to .crt
• 3846[22:09:34] <qqz> yes that is also an option though resistant to SNI - naming
• 3847[22:09:54] <qqz> i.e. when there is an alias it may return the cert of the wrong host
• 3848[22:10:05] <jelly-home> (I'm technically not really correct, but forthe purposes of fixing Pr0metheus' issue)
• 3849[22:10:29] <Pr0metheus> jelly-home: ok no warning this time
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• 3851[22:10:42] <qqz> for me afaik it downloaded web4.dotplex.de instead of my.web4.doteplex.de
• 3852[22:10:50] <jelly-home> Pr0metheus: did you put one that file detected as pem into /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/something.crt?
• 3853[22:10:56] <Pr0metheus> yes
• 3854[22:11:00] <jelly-home> good
• 3855[22:11:15] <Pr0metheus> worked. Thanks all, it's a bug of epiphany-browser
• 3856[22:11:37] <jelly-home> it's not likely a bug, just different output format
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• 3858[22:11:56] <Pr0metheus> it was a binary file
• 3859[22:12:00] <qqz> you should perhaps double download the pem with Tor as well and compare it for equality
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• 3862[22:12:11] <qqz> .... in order not to get the wrong one
• 3863[22:12:22] <jelly-home> Pr0metheus: and you can convert a binary-file DER into an ascii-encoded PEM easily
• 3864[22:12:36] <Pr0metheus> jelly-home ok didn't know this
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• 3867[22:13:15] <jelly-home> openssl x509 -inform der -in input.file -out output.pem
• 3868[22:13:18] <qqz> openssl x509 -inform ? -in ...
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• 3870[22:13:47] <jelly-home> (pem is default output format for x509. man x509)
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• 3872[22:14:17] <Pr0metheus> ok thanks a lot all for the help, it worked
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• 3876[22:14:59] <qqz> PrOmetheus: if your server supported DANE I would go for the sport to verify that your cert is authentic
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• 3878[22:15:26] <qqz> or perhaps jsut note the sha1/sha256 of the cert to compare it with another downlaod
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• 3880[22:15:50] <qqz> all of https makes little sense if you allow MITM, at least to my mind
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• 3882[22:16:26] <Pr0metheus> qqz: i am not familiar with DANE nor MITM
• 3883[22:16:29] <jmcnaught> Pr0metheus: also maybe consider using letsencrypt instead of self-signed
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• 3887[22:17:15] <qqz> PrOmetheus: what you do not want is a download a spoofed certificate which makes you perhaps connect to an NSA mirror site
• 3888[22:17:56] <Pr0metheus> jmcnaught: thanks for the link looks interesting
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• 3890[22:18:08] <qqz> so at best double download via two different networks
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• 3892[22:18:46] <Pr0metheus> qqz: you are right but i believe we are more vulnerable to the already trusted certificates !
• 3893[22:19:00] <qqz> definitely yes!
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• 3895[22:19:02] <jmcnaught> Pr0metheus: jessie-backports has letsencrypt packages
• 3896[22:19:12] <qqz> That is why I have a machine where I have delted all root certs
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• 3898[22:19:28] <qqz> and only installed certs trusted via dane or some other means
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• 3901[22:20:13] <jelly-home> if you have control and have created that selfsigned cert on the server side yourself, and you have control of all the clients, selfsigned is actually safer than any commercial or free CA
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• 3903[22:20:37] <Pr0metheus> jelly-home: that's my case
• 3904[22:20:50] <Pr0metheus> qqz: do you have so much to hide from n$a?
• 3905[22:21:03] <jelly-home> Pr0metheus: you could have just copied the .crt from the server, then :-)
• 3906[22:21:43] <qqz> replaced-url
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• 3908[22:22:09] <qqz> ... it is more against preventing terror attacks against my machine than having anything to hide.
• 3909[22:22:30] <qqz> ... and about good securit
• 3910[22:22:31] <qqz> y
• 3911[22:22:36] <jelly-home> ,v acme-tiny
• 3912[22:22:38] <judd> Package: acme-tiny on amd64 -- sid: 20151229-4; stretch: 20151229-4
• 3913[22:22:52] <jelly-home> ,v python-letsencrypt
• 3914[22:22:53] <judd> Package: python-letsencrypt on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 0.5.0-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.5.0-1; stretch: 0.5.0-1
• 3915[22:22:56] <qqz> f.i. I do not want to distrust the logs of the server
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• 3919[22:23:56] <qqz> I mean I do not want to give them away ... .. though that may be of little help in the end
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• 3922[22:24:53] <jak2000> hi all how to know if is jessie ? my debian box?
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• 3925[22:25:23] <TomTomTosch> jak2000: cat /etc/debian_verion
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• 3928[22:25:44] <TomTomTosch> jak2000: jessie is 8.x
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• 3931[22:26:03] <jmcnaught> jak2000: "lsb_release -a" is also useful. keep in mind if it's a VPS some/most providers use "customized" debian templates
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• 3937[22:27:47] <jak2000> -bash: lsb_release: command not found
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• 3940[22:28:21] <TomTomTosch> jak2000: install lsb-release
• 3941[22:28:22] <jak2000> cat /etc/debian_version only say 7.8
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• 3943[22:28:34] <TomTomTosch> jak2000: that's wheezy then.
• 3944[22:28:42] <jelly-home> !debian suite
• 3945[22:28:43] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
• 3946[22:29:33] <jelly-home> TomTomTosch: it's... not the greatest idea to install anything before you know the configured sources are sane and safe
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• 3948[22:29:36] <jak2000> replaced-url
• 3949[22:29:45] <jak2000> cant why?
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• 3951[22:30:19] <jelly-home> jak2000: it looks like you installed proxmox, and not debian?
• 3952[22:30:24] <jelly-home> !proxmox
• 3953[22:30:24] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
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• 3955[22:31:08] <jak2000> jelly-home ahhh yes...
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• 3958[22:31:39] <Pr0metheus> all those derived distros are loss of man-power
• 3959[22:31:43] <jelly-home> jak2000: be very, very careful about proceeding. you may have just removed an important part of your installation (we don't really know because it's not debian)
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• 3961[22:32:07] <jak2000> ok understood
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• 3963[22:32:16] <jak2000> joining on proxmox chanel
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• 3967[22:32:58] <jelly-home> jak2000: also your /etc/debian_version is different from your configured sources.list, which means you'll probably break even more stuff if you install anything else
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• 3969[22:33:57] <jak2000> jelly-home: replaced-url
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• 3975[22:35:09] <Johntitor> Pr0metheus: well if you really want proxmox I cannot see whats wrong with that, proxmoxVE is a great virtualization envionment
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• 3979[22:36:09] <jelly-home> debian is a great platform to build useful or interesting things on
• 3980[22:36:19] <Pr0metheus> Johntitor what i mean is that linux has spread too much, why not customize the existing environment rather then deriving something new
• 3981[22:36:37] <Johntitor> jelly-home: I'm answering to Pr0metheus and you cannot do proxmoxve in debian
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• 3983[22:37:26] <Johntitor> and again if you want proxmox what's wring with installing it? it's a sin?
• 3984[22:37:36] <Johntitor> wrong*
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• 3987[22:38:13] <Pr0metheus> nothing wrong to me
• 3988[22:38:20] <Johntitor> ah sorry
• 3989[22:38:25] <jelly-home> jak2000: yeah, you got "jessie" (debian 8) in sources while your base-files (/etc/debian_version) and a lot of other things are from debian 8 and your vendor. That's not a safe situation.
• 3990[22:38:31] <Pr0metheus> maby i was misunderstood
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• 3992[22:38:40] <jelly-home> base-files (/etc/debian_version) and a lot of other things are from debian 7 *
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• 3994[22:39:09] <jak2000> wich sources list recommend me use?
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• 3996[22:39:45] <Johntitor> Pr0metheus: jelly-home sorry I misunderstood
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• 3998[22:40:10] <jelly-home> jak2000: I recommend to ask your vendor about that situation.
• 3999[22:40:39] <jak2000> ok
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• 4001[22:41:13] <qqz> anyone here who can help me in booting a system from read only media?
• 4002[22:41:21] <qqz> I mean a Debian installation
• 4003[22:41:37] <qqz> how to get rid of the fsck at bootup and what else to tune
• 4004[22:42:12] <qqz> I know that " / " can be mounted as read-only if /var and /home are superseeded by an aufs or uniionfs
• 4005[22:42:20] <qqz> but that alone does not suffice
• 4006[22:42:41] <jelly-home> qqz: um... do you want it to be upgradeable? If not, start with debian-live and add persistence if needed
• 4007[22:43:19] <qqz> it would be fine if that was just a normal installation
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• 4009[22:43:41] <qqz> I have addede boot parameters that can be used to switch on and off the aufs mounting
• 4010[22:43:50] <qqz> so basically that would be updateable
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• 4013[22:44:13] <qqz> ... and it should be as I do not want to install all the time from scratch
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• 4018[22:44:53] <qqz> jelly-home: do you really think it would be that hard?
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• 4020[22:45:30] <qqz> live media usually remount the whole root as aufs/unionfs and the use pivot_root
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• 4023[22:46:05] <qqz> nonetheless I would like to have a system that I can understand and it is not that easy with live media.
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• 4026[22:46:42] <qqz> the thing I do not understand is where it wants to write to disk when everything works fine with a ro-mounted root fs
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• 4037[22:50:46] <qqz> I have seen several early boot scripts in /etc/init.d; is there some kind of reference to see in which order they would be executed adn what they do?
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• 4055[22:57:05] <qqz> is there some verbosity switch so that I could make Debian display which script it executes when?
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• 4136[23:34:22] <mxuser> hola!
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• 4140[23:35:26] <nuka-cola> Ehlo
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• 4162[23:44:21] <millican> Do I have to re-download debian iso files through a torrent client to make them available through torrent?
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• 4167[23:45:51] <millican> I'm looking at this page: replaced-url
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• 4171[23:48:22] <nuka-cola> millican: sorry I cannot understand your question.
• 4172[23:48:46] <millican> Probably because I don't know enough about torrent to ask it right. ;-)
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• 4174[23:49:33] <nuka-cola> millican: you're not the only one who is sharing the iso, so nope. also yo don't even need the full iso for sharing it since you share _pieces_ of it
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• 4176[23:49:59] <Myrtti> millican: you can get the .torrent file, change the dir it's downloading to to the one your file already is, and then it shares it
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• 4179[23:50:37] <millican> Ah. OK. Thanks!
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• 4181[23:50:58] <nuka-cola> millican: the only applicable case is when you seed for the first time whatever. then you need to seed it till anyone get the full file prior stopping sharing it
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• 4183[23:51:42] <millican> I have the isos and would like to contribute to the availability, but can't run a mirror.
• 4184[23:51:57] <nuka-cola> ah
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• 4186[23:51:58] <millican> Thanks for the help
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• 4194[23:56:38] <melvin> NetworkManager is a KDE program, right? What tool should I use to report a bug against that package (I presume not Debian Reoportbug), right?
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• 4196[23:57:33] <melvin> *Reportbug
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• 4198[23:58:01] <jmcnaught> melvin: networkmanager is developed by the gnome project but there is also a KDE frontend for it. With Debian you should report bugs to Debian using reportbug, not to the upstream developers
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• 4200[23:59:18] <melvin> jmcnaught: Are you saying to use Reportbug to report a bug against NetworkManager in Debian jessie?
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