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34 [00:12:03] <foul_owl> What's a screensaver alternative to xscreensaver and gnome-screensaver?
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42 [00:13:38] <zykotick9> foul_owl: cmatrix ;) i saw that xscreensaver warning in gnome = super annoying.
43 [00:14:13] <foul_owl> Haha yep
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45 [00:14:30] <foul_owl> Also xscreensaver seems to crash for me sometimes
46 [00:15:06] <markybob> !xscreensave
47 [00:15:10] <markybob> !xscreensaver
48 [00:15:10] <dpkg> XScreenSaver upstream doesn't understand that people don't want to spend their lives upgrading every component from git and that a stable distro is a good idea so inserted silly "very old" alerts. This annoying warning is removed from the packages in jessie-updates and sid. replaced-url
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50 [00:16:43] <honey__> markybob: how can i activate after i set the rules?
51 [00:16:53] <markybob> honey__: it's automatic
52 [00:17:06] <markybob> honey__: once you type in the rule it's law
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59 [00:18:40] <honey__> markybob: let say i have already saved the rules in /etc/iptables.rules
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63 [00:19:14] <foul_owl> Thanks, I'll look at light-locker also
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65 [00:19:27] <markybob> honey__: you should really be asking ##netfilter
66 [00:20:11] <markybob> honey__: sorry, just #netfilter. not ##
67 [00:20:30] <honey__> markybob: ok thanks
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94 [00:30:28] <frostschutz> foul_owl, xtrlock -b? ;)
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103 [00:34:34] <frostschutz> foul_owl, combine with xautolock(delay,corners) and xeyes(notifier)
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110 [00:37:09] <Posterdati> hi
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115 [00:38:09] <Posterdati> please help: I've got jessie running on an HP Pro 3405 Series MT, it freezes while accessing usb for a canon scanner/printer with xsane
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120 [00:40:30] <Posterdati> no kernel errors
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180 [01:05:03] <toothe> Hi all! I'm trying to follow this guide to install Debian on my chromebook: replaced-url
181 [01:05:11] <toothe> NOT Crouton
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280 [02:02:05] <jhutchins> Posterdati: dmesg | less, /var/log/syslog, lsusb
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282 [02:02:34] <jhutchins> Posterdati: Which release, which desktop?
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284 [02:03:17] <jhutchins> Posterdati: I hate to mention it (sane is better) but a lot of people use hplip with those.
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289 [02:04:24] <pharpend> Hey guys
290 [02:04:27] <pharpend> and gals
291 [02:04:30] <pharpend> I assume
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293 [02:05:12] <pharpend> I just switched over to Debian stable, I'm getting this weird quasi-frame when I open evince (see the left): replaced-url
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295 [02:06:06] <pharpend> Would someone mind telling me how to make that back into a normal window
296 [02:06:09] <pharpend> While we are at it
297 [02:06:21] <Saar> huh?
298 [02:06:33] <Saar> please state the nature of your problem :)
299 [02:07:06] <pharpend> Saar: look at the left window. See how it's not taking up its entire space, and the window behind it is visible around the edges. I want evince to behave like every other application and take up its allotted space
300 [02:07:18] <pharpend> Saar: IIRC it's some silly GNOME configuration
301 [02:07:28] <pharpend> which brings me to my next, related question
302 [02:07:29] <Saar> probably
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305 [02:07:58] <Saar> I am sure there is some funky key you can edit in gconf editor, or some xmsl file, who knows
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307 [02:08:16] <Saar> not sure it's debian's fault
308 [02:08:32] <pharpend> Saar: I don't blame Debian, I'm just wondering how to fix it.
309 [02:08:38] <Saar> I ditched gnome since v. 3
310 [02:09:04] <pharpend> related query: When I installed Debian, I checked the box to install X11, but didn't check the GNOME box. The installer installed GNOME anyway (which seems like a bug). I don't use GNOME, and would like to know how to remove all of the GNOME crap
311 [02:09:07] <Saar> does gnome3 still have a gconf editor?
312 [02:09:21] <pharpend> I removed gnome-session, gnome-a-bunch-of-nonsense
313 [02:09:29] <pharpend> Saar: I don't use GNOME, I wouldn't know
314 [02:09:41] <pharpend> still, there's a bunch of stuff like GNOME print preview
315 [02:09:52] <zinx> i removed the worst part of gnome when it went to v3, gnome-shell
316 [02:10:00] <zinx> didn't support multihead worth crap :x
317 [02:10:08] <Saar> debian uses gnome by default, unless you use a kde or xfce iso image or mate, installing X just installed gnome as dependency
318 [02:10:17] <pharpend> I'm wondering if there's an easy way to remove all this gnome nonsense
319 [02:10:30] <pharpend> Saar: that's annoying
320 [02:10:52] <Saar> if it is a fresh install start over with an alternate iso image
321 [02:11:07] <Saar> installed xfce debian the other day
322 [02:11:22] <pharpend> It's like 2 days old
323 [02:11:25] <Saar> I am sorry about your less than stellar gnome3 experience
324 [02:11:28] <pharpend> so I already have quite a bit of work
325 [02:11:32] <Saar> ok
326 [02:11:33] <pharpend> Saar: it's not uncommon
327 [02:11:52] <pharpend> Saar: You might be right, it might be easier to start from scratch than to remove all the gnome-crap
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329 [02:12:04] <Saar> install your preferred desktop environment, then try and remove all of gnome you can remove
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333 [02:13:09] <Saar> apt-get install remove gnome*
334 [02:13:22] <Saar> then see what it removes and if it removes too much then pick and choose
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337 [02:13:31] <Saar> that's my trial and error method
338 [02:13:43] <Saar> then see what it *wants* to remove
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340 [02:14:20] <Saar> with old stable I was able to remove everything gnome related, and keep xfce, even gvfs was gone
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343 [02:15:37] <pharpend> I just popped open Synaptic, am removing everything with gnome in the name
344 [02:15:47] <Saar> it's all possible with apt-get but if you don't like to mess around too much fresh install is easier
345 [02:16:04] <Saar> yay
346 [02:16:27] * pharpend doesn't understand why GNOME is the default, when it's so unpopular
347 [02:16:31] <pharpend> maybe it's easier to maintain?
348 [02:16:53] <axc1298> what do you mean it is so unpopular? i think it's the most-used DE out of them all
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350 [02:17:06] <axc1298> gnome and kde are very popular
351 [02:17:10] <pharpend> maybe...
352 [02:17:18] <cafuego> "it's so unpopular" = "i don't like it"
353 [02:17:20] <pharpend> s/unpopular/disliked/
354 [02:17:42] <pharpend> cafuego: surely, I'm not the only person who dislikes GNOME 3
355 [02:17:49] <axc1298> anything popular will be disliked . microsoft windows is the most popular OS but it's disliked by many..
356 [02:17:54] <pharpend> that's true
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358 [02:18:10] <cafuego> pharpend: Package popularity is likely determined by the 'popularity-contest' data.
359 [02:18:13] <pharpend> axc1298: that's actually a pretty good point
360 [02:18:18] <pharpend> cafuego: ahhh that makes sense
361 [02:19:08] <cafuego> It's not as if there's a secret cabal that decides which De should be the default.
362 [02:19:17] <cafuego> Definitely no cabal.
363 [02:19:34] <tako> my software-properties-gtk is broken
364 [02:19:45] <tako> i cant check the chechboxes
365 [02:19:47] <pharpend> cafuego: I rarely hear that word used outside of Haskell contexts; it's kind of weird
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367 [02:20:03] <Saar> it is most used because people don't know any better
368 [02:20:24] <axc1298> Saar: linus torvalds uses gnome
369 [02:20:31] <pharpend> Saar: thanks, that seems to work
370 [02:20:35] <Saar> alas it is not necessarily the default if you choose a different image to install
371 [02:20:47] <pharpend> axc1298: "Linus uses it" is very rarely a good reason to use something. Also, last I checked, he uses KDE
372 [02:21:07] <cafuego> Last I saw he used Gnome.
373 [02:21:16] <cafuego> Mine you, that was 2009 and my laptop.
374 [02:21:17] <Saar> axc1298: he ain't the be all and end all of common sense and wisdom :-)
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376 [02:21:27] <pharpend> cafuego: last I checked was ~2013
377 [02:21:38] <axc1298> i never said he was an authority on DEs, just that he uses it
378 [02:21:41] <axc1298> i prefer kde myself
379 [02:21:46] <Saar> well he moved to xfce for a while due to gnome3 suckage
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382 [02:21:52] <Saar> then moved to I don't know
383 [02:22:06] <pharpend> from there, I know he moved to KDE
384 [02:22:09] <pharpend> I don't know if he still uses it
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386 [02:22:22] <markybob> glad we're all talking about things we have no idea bout
387 [02:22:36] <Saar> pharpend: the reason anything happens in a community where many people have a say is mostly politics
388 [02:22:44] <pharpend> that's true
389 [02:22:49] <Saar> and who has the liudest voice
390 [02:22:53] <Saar> loudest
391 [02:23:05] <cafuego> markybob: Works for the majority of the world population ;-)
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394 [02:24:00] <pharpend> Saar: If I had known that checking the X11 box would install gnome, I would have just installed X11 the old-fashioned way, and wouldn't be complaining about GNOME. Oh well
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396 [02:24:19] <Saar> as in from source?
397 [02:24:34] <cafuego> pharpend: I'm pretty sure you can rmeove the gnome desktop meta-package and then do the autoremove thing
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399 [02:24:46] <Saar> yes that would work too
400 [02:24:52] <Saar> but
401 [02:24:58] <Saar> it doesn't get rid of everything gnome
402 [02:25:12] <Saar> bits and pieces get left behind
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404 [02:25:34] <pharpend> cafuego: that's what I did; synaptic boxchecking was taking too long
405 [02:25:37] <pharpend> I have an idea
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407 [02:25:58] <pharpend> let's help tako because [s]he's actually on-topic
408 [02:26:26] <pharpend> tako: Could you post a screenshot, maybe?
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412 [02:26:31] <pharpend> tako: also, what DE/WM do you use?
413 [02:26:42] <Saar> =]
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415 [02:27:31] <pharpend> Does anyone know the aptitude equivalent of 'apt-get autoremove'?
416 [02:27:44] <pharpend> 'aptitude autoremove' doesn't work the way I'd expect
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418 [02:28:00] <awwal> pharpend, trying to remove all gnome stuff?
419 [02:28:01] <Saar> you could just run apt-get autoremove
420 [02:28:12] <pharpend> awwal: I already figured that out. just curious
421 [02:28:17] <Saar> I find apt-get to work much nicer
422 [02:28:23] <pharpend> I know we're all supposed to be using aptitude instead of apt-*
423 [02:28:29] <Saar> we are?
424 [02:28:44] <Saar> last time I checked apt-get was the preferred way, before that it was aptitude?
425 [02:28:51] <Saar> did people changed their minds again?
426 [02:28:56] <Saar> change
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428 [02:29:16] <markybob> no. different tools for different things. now there's even just 'apt'
429 [02:29:26] <markybob> which i love
430 [02:29:27] <pharpend> markybob: I agree with that in theory
431 [02:29:36] <Saar> I think by the time squeeze came out apt-get was the recommended way
432 [02:29:45] <pharpend> markybob: however it means that git installs 200-some-odd binaries
433 [02:29:56] <markybob> apt-get was first. of course it was recommended
434 [02:30:08] <pharpend> markybob: and that I have to remember 18 different tools to do package management
435 [02:30:22] <markybob> aptitude does magic. apt mixes apt-cache and apt-get sort of
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437 [02:30:42] <Saar> too much abstraction, alas
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439 [02:30:59] <pharpend> Saar: you obviously have never programmed in Haskell
440 [02:31:06] <pharpend> there's never such a thing as too much abstraction
441 [02:31:18] <Saar> luckily :)
442 [02:31:33] <Saar> i can imagine
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446 [02:32:05] <pharpend> markybob: fwiw, Ubuntu removed aptitude by default in >=14.04 I think
447 [02:32:15] <pharpend> s/14/15
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449 [02:32:37] <awwal> I still don't understand what apt have better then apt-get; the 2 commands I mean, being apt-get part of apt
450 [02:32:47] <markybob> pharpend: i know they have a new package format. couldn't care less.
451 [02:33:13] <markybob> awwal: it mixes in apt-cache like i said. one command to rule them all is the goal
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453 [02:33:14] <pharpend> markybob: I think that's in 16.04, coming out tomorrow. I can't remember.
454 [02:33:40] <awwal> markybob, oh, ok; interesting
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456 [02:34:16] <Saar> new package format? yay we need more crap and splits and factions ftw :)
457 [02:34:38] <pharpend> Saar: yep.
458 [02:34:54] <pharpend> Saar: pretty soon Ubuntu will just become slightly-less-annoying Slackware
459 [02:35:06] <markybob> !snap
460 [02:35:24] <Saar> not sure what the sense is in using a diff pkg manager when ubuntu is based on debian
461 [02:35:31] <markybob> c'mon. i created that factoid. damnit
462 [02:35:40] <Saar> maybe an alternative one above and beyond dpkg?
463 [02:35:48] <Saar> oh bummer
464 [02:35:50] <pharpend> Saar: I think it's because packaging for Debian is kind of a pain
465 [02:36:00] <Saar> I wish I could rant about it ;-)
466 [02:36:07] <markybob> google ubuntu snap - and this is off topic again
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468 [02:36:29] <awwal> seems that aptitud eis more exhaustive regarding when removing/purging stuff. thats my experience
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470 [02:36:43] <Saar> pharpend: it's not a pain, it's just that you need to comply to certain ways of doing things or it becomes a mess
471 [02:36:44] <pharpend> markybob: well that's tako's fault
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474 [02:37:23] <Saar> making a debian package from scratch is really easy, as long as your source compiles with gnu autotools it's a breeze
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476 [02:37:30] <awwal> seems that markybob loves offtopic factoid xD
477 [02:37:40] <Saar> in order to be included in debain proper you need to clean up crap
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489 [02:37:55] <markybob> there's no reason for it when there's #debian-offtopic. this is for support
490 [02:38:00] <pharpend> Saar: that works unless you write your program in something other than C or python
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504 [02:38:55] <Saar> pharpend: gnu autotools is not limited to C and python
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557 [02:41:39] <Saar> pharpend: recently I modified a messy active directory sync package with a mix of shell scripts, python scripts and cronjob configs to be able to install it using automake et al, it took a while to get it work nicely, but then converting to debian package was just a few commands
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562 [02:42:42] <pharpend> hmm
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567 [02:44:19] <Saar> it was an rpm package first
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575 [02:44:52] <Saar> I find rpm for more annoying
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580 [02:45:53] <pharpend> Saar: maybe. I do 95% of my work in Haskell, and most system package managers mismanage Haskell packages to death. Gentoo does it pretty well, as does NixOS (obviously).
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585 [02:46:51] <pharpend> Saar: I vaguely remember trying to make one of my Haskell packages into a Debian package; it wasn't very fun
586 [02:47:17] <tikun> I'm trying to jail/chroot a user to their home directory for use of SFTP to upload files, so far I've configured the sshd_config to what it should be, but when I login to test the user account I can't even get a directory listing as it says permission denied, I added the user to the correct group, pretty sure permissions have been set correctly on the home directory but I also can't get any log information anywhere that would help me figure this out
587 [02:47:25] <tikun> I'm also running Wheezy btw
588 [02:47:35] * pharpend looks up which one wheezy is
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591 [02:48:17] <Saar> tikun: the home directory where files are uploaded needs to eb owned by root
592 [02:48:36] <tikun> I have it owned by root:sftp_users
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595 [02:48:53] <Saar> try root.root with just root r/w permissions
596 [02:48:55] <jmcnaught> tikun: if you run "pwd" after logging in does it show the correct directory? what are the permissions?
597 [02:49:18] <Saar> afaik it had to be really restricted, obviously you can't use the user's home for that
598 [02:49:26] <tikun> it just says remote working directory '/'
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602 [02:51:11] <tikun> even setting permissions of the home directory to root:root, no luck, just for the hell of it gave it 777 permissions, still nothing
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604 [02:51:58] <Saar> see replaced-url
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606 [02:52:23] <tikun> should ChrootDirectory be /home or /home%u or just %h ?
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617 [02:54:40] <Saar> if the user expects to also use their home directory in normal ways you probably want to create a dedicated place for sftp, otherwise use their home
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621 [02:55:10] <potus> Saar nick looks familar.
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623 [02:55:14] <potus> usbjtag?
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625 [02:55:21] <tikun> so when I use ChrootDirectory %h, I cannot even sftp in, the connection is refused
626 [02:55:23] <jmcnaught> tikun: the sshd in wheezy needs the chroot directory to be owned by root, so you could set it to /home
627 [02:55:38] <tikun> k
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630 [02:56:35] <Saar> potus: I joined here a the other week after a hiatus since 2012...
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632 [02:57:37] <Saar> read: couldn't be arsed to reconfigure the new address of freenode irc
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634 [02:58:44] <Saar> amazing, 1500+ people and it's still fairly quiet
635 [02:59:01] <jmcnaught> Saar: that's because most people respect the offtopic rule
636 [02:59:58] <Saar> jmcnaught: that's off topic
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642 [03:02:37] <tikun> ugh, I even tried switching it to chroot a single user, no luck, deleted the user, recreated it, checked permissions, home dir is owned by root
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649 [03:03:55] <Saar> sshd will reject SFTP connections to accounts that are set to chroot into any directory that has ownership/permissions that sshd considers insecure. sshd's strict ownership/permissions requirements dictate that every directory in the chroot path must be owned by root and only writable by the owner. So, for example, if the chroot environment is /home must be owned by root.
650 [03:04:09] <Saar> from the link I showed replaced-url
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656 [03:05:55] <Saar> also note: As above, if a user is able to write to the chroot directory then it is possible for them to escalate their privileges to root and escape the chroot. One way around this is to give the user two home directories - one "real" home they can write to, and one SFTP home that is locked down to keep sshd happy and your system secure. By using mount --bind you can make the real home directory appear as a subdirectory inside the SFTP home directory, allow
657 [03:05:55] <Saar> ing them full access to their real home directory.
658 [03:06:09] <Saar> mount --bind is a nice solution
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661 [03:06:31] <Saar> I've used it to create sftp access for users
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663 [03:09:10] <potus> Saar software...mytheatre.. that was it
664 [03:09:14] <potus> u the guy?
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666 [03:09:55] <Saar> you mean you solved it?
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670 [03:10:54] <Saar> gah sorry mixing nicks
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672 [03:11:09] <Saar> potus: I think you're wrong :)
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683 [03:15:41] <potus> Saar: ooo.. some dvb god use to go by that handle; i figured this being #debian and all...
684 [03:15:46] <tikun> Saar, ok, that makes a lot of sense, thank you
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686 [03:16:58] <Saar> tikun: you're welcome
687 [03:17:09] <Saar> potus: sorry to confuse you ;-)
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719 [03:38:26] <GTAXL> What does iptables run as on Debian 8.4? I did systemctl status iptables and it doesn't show up. Tried netfilter, iptables4 as well.
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724 [03:40:20] <karlpinc`> GTAXL: iptables is part of the kernel.
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726 [03:40:41] <somiaj> GTAXL: there is no default service for iptables, just run 'iptables' to build your own rules. There are some scripts that can save/restore states, but you have to configure this
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728 [03:40:52] <GTAXL> oh, it always ran as a service on centos, well at least appeared that way
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730 [03:41:34] <GTAXL> yeah, setting up iptables-persistant
731 [03:41:40] <karlpinc> GTAXL: (FWIW, I prefer to use ferm to configure iptables. But you still need to know iptables to understand what you are doing.)
732 [03:41:46] <somiaj> GTAXL: iptables really isn't a service, but you can have service scripts that will bringup/down set of iptable rules.
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734 [03:42:22] <GTAXL> I know how to configure it, I'm just so used to service iptables start, stop on centos that I thought it was a "service" but that makes sense now
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737 [03:42:56] <karlpinc> GTAXL: I know how to configure it too, that's why I like ferm. :-)
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759 [03:56:34] <jml2> !netfilter-persistent
760 [03:57:04] <jml2> teee
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762 [03:58:25] <jml2> GTAXL, here i use iptables, it's installed by apt with netfiltpersistent+iptables-persistent --- the files you need to update with iptables-save is /etc/iptables/rules.v4 or rules.v6 (ip6tables-save)
763 [03:58:37] <jml2> ./netfilter-persistent./
764 [03:59:12] <jml2> GTAXL, you need to install these two packages for it to fully work on boot-up
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769 [04:03:32] <jmcnaught> iptables-restore and iptables-save are in the iptables package in jessie
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775 [04:08:09] <jmcnaught> i just use those commands, with an iptables-restore in a script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/
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778 [04:09:56] <jml2> GTAXL, does it work?
779 [04:10:16] <jml2> GTAXL, it's simple.. no need to use anything else.. just iptables-save >/etc/iptables/rules.v4 , and it's pretty much set
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781 [04:12:03] <GTAXL> yeh
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783 [04:12:13] <jml2> somiaj, you got it wrong my friend, there is a default service for iptables.. it's iptables-persistent+netfilter-persistentt (they work in conjunction) -- the service was renamed prior jessie -- these two packages are used due to systemd
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882 [05:22:28] <mariooliveira> hi. installed latest google chrome from ppa. i cant play youtube videos. audio is ok. iget this error ERROR:video_layer_impl.cc(369)] Not implemented reached in virtual void cc::VideoLayerImpl::AppendQuads(cc::RenderPass *, cc::AppendQuadsData *) .... any ideas what could be causing issue in jessie?
883 [05:23:01] <markybob> mariooliveira: why?
884 [05:23:15] <markybob> mariooliveira: what are you doing adding ppa to jessie for chrome?
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887 [05:23:27] <markybob> !tell mariooliveira about dontbreakdebian
888 [05:23:37] <mariooliveira> markybob, keeping webbrouser updated
889 [05:23:44] <jml2> mariooliveira, google releases for debian 64-bit in .deb ..
890 [05:23:46] <markybob> mariooliveira: that's how you break shit
891 [05:23:56] <jml2> mariooliveira, (comes with their attached pepperapi flash)
892 [05:23:57] <mariooliveira> ok
893 [05:24:14] <jml2> mariooliveira, simply you can remove this one, and add their edition
894 [05:24:36] <markybob> i'm not even sure that'd be enough. who knows what the ppa added
895 [05:24:47] <jml2> mariooliveira, there's also "chromium", and somewhere there's a non-repo app that can proplery add the pepperapi flash
896 [05:24:59] <mariooliveira> but the problem is html5 player
897 [05:25:12] <markybob> no the problem is you fucked up the sources
898 [05:25:23] <markybob> debian works fine with chrome
899 [05:25:25] <mariooliveira> ok ill remove sources
900 [05:25:29] <jml2> mariooliveira, true what markybob -- you shouldn't be loosely throwing incompatible sources.
901 [05:25:49] <jml2> mariooliveira, "some" ppas are non-problematic -- so you should read on their documention on the mailing lists or wherever you find them
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904 [05:26:07] <mariooliveira> ok
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908 [05:32:58] <karlpinc> !tell mariooliveira about dontbreakdebian
909 [05:33:23] <mariooliveira> karlpinc, ok ty
910 [05:33:24] <karlpinc> mariooliveira: That link will lead you to the right way to do things.
911 [05:34:57] <mariooliveira> i think im gona start instaling future stuff using docker lol
912 [05:35:45] <mariooliveira> like google chrome
913 [05:36:51] <markybob> sounds like debian isnt for you
914 [05:37:30] <markybob> we have updated browsers. just don't go outside and break things
915 [05:37:39] <mariooliveira> ok
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921 [05:43:10] <dirgeable> hi, my hosts file has two entries for line, such as: 127.0.0.1 localhost. however the turorial at replaced-url
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925 [05:44:41] <karlpinc> dirgeable: If you don't need localdomain don't use it.
926 [05:45:04] <dirgeable> karlpinc, how about for websites i am hosting?
927 [05:45:10] <dirgeable> thanks for the help btw :)
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931 [05:48:00] <karlpinc> dirgeable: If it's a linode hosted box then they may have a use for localdomain. But if your hosts file does not include it then either linode is not doing a good job instantating your vm or you don't really need it. Either way may as well leave it out. You'll see "localdomain" in an error message or log message somewhere if you do need it. Or in some instructions. That's my thoughts, may not work for you if you're not used to
932 [05:48:01] <karlpinc> reading error messages or logs to debug.
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939 [05:50:25] <dirgeable> karlpinc, ok, so ill check logs then thanks. for sites would you put it, e.g. 203.0.113.10 hostname.example.com hostname or same just check logs
940 [05:50:38] <karlpinc> dirgeable: If the tutorial says to add it then maybe you should. But it doesn't.
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942 [05:51:06] <karlpinc> dirgeable: You definately should add the 2nd line. That's why the section on /etc/hosts is there.
943 [05:51:19] <dirgeable> ok
944 [05:51:36] <mariooliveira> lol i suffer from Shiny New Stuff Syndrome
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952 [05:53:17] <karlpinc> mariooliveira: That's the "family friendly" version of the syndrome.
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1150 [07:52:48] <hiya> Anyone here able to install Freeradius 3.x on Debian?
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1174 [08:01:17] <jim> , find freeradius
1175 [08:01:21] <judd> Search for freeradius in jessie/amd64: freeradius: etc/default/freeradius, etc/init.d/freeradius, etc/logrotate.d/freeradius, usr/sbin/freeradius; freeradius-common: usr/share/freeradius/dictionary.freeradius; libwireshark-data: usr/share/wireshark/radius/dictionary.freeradius; logwatch: usr/share/logwatch/scripts/services/freeradius; freeradius-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/freeradius
1176 [08:01:39] <jim> , v freeradius
1177 [08:01:40] <judd> Package: freeradius on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.1.10+dfsg-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.1.10+dfsg-2+squeeze1; wheezy: 2.1.12+dfsg-1.2; wheezy-backports: 2.2.5+dfsg-0.1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.2.5+dfsg-0.2; sid: 2.2.8+dfsg-0.1+b2; stretch: 2.2.8+dfsg-0.1+b2
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1179 [08:02:30] <jim> doesn't look like v3 is packaged
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1203 [08:20:09] <Ademan> is there a fairly straightforward way to be able to install packages "live" from the netinst disk? I just want to install xxd and look at something before I wipe the hdd
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1216 [08:33:03] * Ademan figured out an awful hack to accomplish what he wanted without setting up a live env
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1242 [08:47:44] <goat|sex> Goat sex
1243 [08:47:46] <goat|sex> Greeting from the GNAA Department Of Goat Sex
1244 [08:47:51] <maroloccio> hi. please help me guys, i need a working hibernate (suspend-to-disk) and _resume_ setup with a system using LVM/LUKS encryption from standard deb install
1245 [08:48:15] <maroloccio> is anybody capable of resuming from hibernation on an LVM encrypted system?
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1247 [08:48:43] <qman__> I'm not sure that's possible
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1250 [08:49:19] <maroloccio> qman__: really?
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1256 [08:50:44] <qman__> I recall reading about it previously but I unfortunately don't have any references for you, but as I recall, it's essentially a chicken and egg problem, by the time you get to the point where it decrypts your disk, you're past the point of resume from hibernation
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1259 [08:51:07] <themill> maroloccio: sure, that's a pretty standard setup
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1263 [08:51:39] <qman__> there might be some new approach to make it work that I'm unaware of, though
1264 [08:51:54] <maroloccio> themill: do you have a link that could help me? i fail to resume and all i get is a blinking caps lock key
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1266 [08:52:59] <themill> maroloccio: do you have luks inside lvm or lvm inside luks?
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1268 [08:53:27] <maroloccio> lvm inside luks. standard deb install option
1269 [08:53:52] <maroloccio> inside there, i have a single lvm for root, and an lvm for swap
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1273 [08:55:13] <themill> and /boot outside the luks container, I presume
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1275 [08:56:14] <maroloccio> themill: no. boot outside of it, actually. can i have it inside luks?
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1278 [08:56:35] <maroloccio> themill: i dont think the default install ever puts it inside the luks?
1279 [08:56:50] <themill> not that I've ever seen; just checking
1280 [08:57:11] <maroloccio> :) /boot and /boot/efi are partitions, basically
1281 [08:57:28] <themill> the only configuration I have ever done for this was /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume (and I don't remember if that was automagical or if I created it)
1282 [08:57:59] <themill> RESUME=/dev/mapper/name-of-swap-space-to-be-used
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1285 [08:59:02] <maroloccio> that is already set "correctly", it seems: RESUME=/dev/mapper/mycomputer--vg-swap_1
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1288 [08:59:14] <themill> is that path correct?
1289 [08:59:27] <maroloccio> that is the correct lvm volume group path, yes
1290 [08:59:56] <themill> and I assume you are correctly getting lvm stuff into the initramfs or you wouldn't be able to boot at all.
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1292 [09:00:33] <jml2> maroloccio, with bios boots i have been able to do this, but the debian installer doesnt support it.. technically "grub" can support it with its GRUB_***_CRYPTDISK='y' (i forget the exact variable) for /etc/default/grub -- but you're on your own because you have to do twice the passphrase --- (there's a way to overcome this by making a custom hook inside initrd to use a locally protected key)
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1295 [09:01:17] <maroloccio> i am find with using a passphrase to unlock the suspended memory image, that was the intention anyway
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1297 [09:01:26] <jml2> maroloccio, i suppose its possible also with grub-efi but i haven't tried it ... note: grub has its own module system so this is why it is capable of asking the user for a passphrase
1298 [09:01:26] <maroloccio> jml2: do you use uswsusp?
1299 [09:01:29] <themill> by "this" and "it" you mean putting /boot inside, not the rest of this problem
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1304 [09:02:37] <maroloccio> themill: sorry if i was imprecise. i meant: /etc/..../conf.d/resume's content is correct
1305 [09:02:51] <themill> maroloccio: have you rebuilt the initramfs after configuring all this?
1306 [09:03:02] <jml2> maroloccio, easier solution is should be easier to use a usb-boot key and have it mount crypt with a pre-made key -- without any passphrase typing necessary
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1308 [09:03:12] <themill> jml2: booting is not the issue
1309 [09:03:15] <maroloccio> i have run update-initramfs yes
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1315 [09:04:00] <jml2> afaik (last time i checked with wheezy's installer), /boot can't be inside a luks containre
1316 [09:04:04] <maroloccio> no. boots fine. resuming hangs. blank screen. blinking caps lock light (which apparently is a "thing")
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1318 [09:04:18] <maroloccio> jml2: i also thought so. that's why it's outside
1319 [09:04:29] <jml2> but "technically" it is possible to do it after post-install (moving the /boot manually with a cd rescue boot-- chroot, ..etc..)
1320 [09:04:33] <themill> jml2: that's nice but not actually relevant to the problem.
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1323 [09:04:51] * jml2 has done fde with debian
1324 [09:04:52] <themill> maroloccio: that's a crashed kernel
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1328 [09:05:09] <jml2> you can do fde with ubuntu too, but ahem
1329 [09:05:12] <jml2> ;-)
1330 [09:05:24] <jml2> if your kernel is crashing then that's something else
1331 [09:05:33] <jml2> eek
1332 [09:06:08] <jml2> "<maroloccio> lvm inside luks. standard deb install option"
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1334 [09:06:22] <jml2> maroloccio, technically, it would be "luks" inside an lvm volume
1335 [09:06:37] <jml2> (but luks can be inside of anything even a file)
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1337 [09:06:47] <themill> no
1338 [09:07:02] <jml2> irrespective whatever situation he is in
1339 [09:07:06] <jml2> themill, no what?
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1341 [09:07:23] <jml2> themill, am i confusing?
1342 [09:07:25] <themill> the installer creates lvm inside luks not the other way around
1343 [09:07:31] <maroloccio> themill: yep
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1345 [09:07:38] <jml2> themill, my understanding it is luks inside lvm..
1346 [09:07:42] <themill> no
1347 [09:07:48] <jml2> themill, hmm ok.. i never used lvm for luks
1348 [09:07:52] <jml2> themill, i'll admit
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1351 [09:08:04] <jml2> but you can use luks inside an lvm volume
1352 [09:08:16] <maroloccio> regardless.. :)
1353 [09:08:30] <jml2> so many different ways of using luks
1354 [09:08:31] <themill> it shoves luks directly onto a logical partition
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1358 [09:09:17] <themill> maroloccio: what video driver do you have?
1359 [09:09:23] <maroloccio> new in french
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1361 [09:09:34] <maroloccio> wish the propr worked. could not get it to work
1362 [09:09:56] <themill> That has been known to not survive a suspend cycle, but I thought those things were fixed
1363 [09:10:02] <jml2> lvm is unnecessarily complexity..
1364 [09:10:07] <jml2> it's not needed for luks..
1365 [09:10:16] <maroloccio> nvidia-detect says "supported". but no luck. anyway, that's another issue. let us not drift.. ;)
1366 [09:10:18] <jml2> (if using just 1 drive)
1367 [09:10:37] <themill> jml2: also not relevant to the problem at hand....
1368 [09:10:48] <jml2> themill, geez you tough milly
1369 [09:10:52] <themill> maroloccio: do you ever actually get to the passphrase stage or has it crashed by then>?
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1371 [09:11:07] <jml2> themill, good for him to know -- might help how crypy containers can be managed
1372 [09:11:53] <jml2> efi
1373 [09:11:59] <jml2> sry scratch
1374 [09:12:16] <maroloccio> themill: excellent question. i do not, actually.
1375 [09:12:22] <maroloccio> i should have specified that
1376 [09:12:29] <jml2> does grub support crypt with efi?
1377 [09:12:37] <dionysus69> ok I am going back to this topic
1378 [09:12:37] <jml2> nm
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1380 [09:13:04] <dionysus69> is there a simple way to do full system backup with ability to do full system restore later on the same computer?
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1382 [09:13:11] <jml2> dionysus69, yep
1383 [09:13:14] <dionysus69> what method should I use
1384 [09:13:17] <jml2> dionysus69, here i use cp :)
1385 [09:13:23] <jml2> dionysus69, or e2image (for ext2/3/4)
1386 [09:13:26] <dionysus69> just cp? like copy?
1387 [09:13:40] <jml2> dionysus69, then rescue cd/chroot/update-grub/grub-install
1388 [09:13:46] <jml2> dionysus69, cp -ax
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1390 [09:13:59] <jml2> dionysus69, but e2image copies the "uuid" of the filesystem
1391 [09:14:09] <jml2> dionysus69, so if you just use "cp", you also have to update fstab
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1393 [09:14:17] <jml2> dionysus69, and set the correct UUID= (blkid can show it)
1394 [09:14:29] <dionysus69> ok ok brb one sek
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1399 [09:16:02] <maroloccio> i am gonna try something else. if i disappear, well.. resume from hibernation failed. thanks for your help in that case anyway
1400 [09:16:03] <jml2> dionysus69, i think i have in note for -P just to make sure there's no dereferencing for "symbolink" links..
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1402 [09:16:23] <jml2> dionysus69, so it becomes cp -axP <source>/* /target
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1407 [09:17:21] <jml2> dionysus69, nice thing, is you can use "e2image" as it can make the backup "sparse" --- "e2mage -ra /dev/SOURCE_HDD backup.raw"
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1410 [09:17:52] <jml2> dionysus69, if there's a bunch of zeros to be in the image, it'll take very little space because sparse allows it not to actually take up room
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1428 [09:29:08] <dionysus69> jml2: so should I use e2image or cp?
1429 [09:29:25] <dionysus69> cosider that I am aiming at backing up full root
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1433 [09:30:39] <jml2> dionysus69, e2image is not fault-proof -- it's a bit idiotic for the restore(the target drive partition on restore has to be the same size as the image for e2image), but here I use it because I know how to use "qemu-utils" --
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1435 [09:30:58] <jml2> dionysus69, it's tricky to restore if you don't know what you're doing..
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1438 [09:31:20] <jml2> dionysus69, so the "restore" will work only if the "partition" is equal or "greater' size than the image that e2image is restoring
1439 [09:31:44] <jml2> dionysus69, if it isn't then it's possible to mount the image (qemu-utils), and then use cp, but then you hvae to update fstab for the uuid..
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1442 [09:31:58] <jml2> dionysus69, it sounds complicating but you can master it quickly with a bit of practice..
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1446 [09:32:45] <jml2> dionysus69, the reason why i do it like this is because it's basically 1 step...
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1449 [09:33:07] <jml2> dionysus69, though the restore is 3 steps.. :)
1450 [09:33:20] <dionysus69> so there is only one catch? e2image backs up whole root partition as I understand
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1452 [09:33:26] <jml2> dionysus69, you might think "dd" is good, but it actually copies a lot of "delete crap" floating around
1453 [09:33:34] <dionysus69> and wherever you restore it, it needs to be equal or bigger in size
1454 [09:33:36] <dionysus69> thats it?
1455 [09:33:54] <jml2> dionysus69, it copies it at the filesysetm level -- only real data and metadata..
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1460 [09:34:18] <jml2> dionysus69, yes, that's correct, it (real partition) has to be => whatever the image is
1461 [09:34:24] <dionysus69> ok I am going to try, I guess
1462 [09:34:35] <dionysus69> can I backup 1 pc and restore to another?
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1465 [09:34:51] <jml2> dionysus69, if you want to save space, you can use the "qcow" format, ... just in case e2image does not put the raw in "sparse"
1466 [09:34:56] <jml2> dionysus69, sure
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1468 [09:35:03] <jml2> dionysus69, i've done that a number of occassions
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1472 [09:35:27] <jml2> dionysus69, unlike winbloze
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1476 [09:35:59] <dionysus69> do you know anything of clonezilla?
1477 [09:36:10] <jml2> dionysus69, if you're going to "clone"
1478 [09:36:10] <jml2> dionysus69, i suggest to using "cp" and fixing up the uuid's
1479 [09:36:10] <dionysus69> I have it on one of my thumbs
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1482 [09:36:25] <jml2> dionysus69, clonezilla is just going to dd things..
1483 [09:36:30] <jml2> dionysus69, it's inefficient..
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1485 [09:36:46] <dionysus69> and dd vs cp is that cp doesn't copy useless data as i understood?
1486 [09:36:50] <jml2> dionysus69, with "cp" you're at the same deframenting any files
1487 [09:36:57] <jml2> dionysus69, yes..
1488 [09:37:16] <jml2> dionysus69, by standard (any operating system), "rm" does not delete "all data", just metadata information (in the "index")
1489 [09:37:24] <jml2> dionysus69, dd copies "orphaned" data..
1490 [09:37:39] <jml2> dionysus69, but.. cp is better, because you're not cloning "fragmentation" as well
1491 [09:37:43] <dionysus69> so one downside of cp method is that you need to run live on restoring pc and figure out lsblk and fix /etc/fstab correct?
1492 [09:37:54] <jml2> dionysus69, yeah but it's easy
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1494 [09:37:59] <jml2> dionysus69, blkid , shows the uuid
1495 [09:38:08] <jml2> dionysus69, and you merely just swap the uuid in fstab
1496 [09:38:22] <jml2> dionysus69, or whatever ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid/ shows
1497 [09:38:32] <jml2> dionysus69, file -s /dev/<partition> can also show it
1498 [09:38:33] <jml2> i think
1499 [09:38:39] <dionysus69> ok wait I like cp method more than the other one you mentioned
1500 [09:38:50] <jml2> yep
1501 [09:38:53] <jml2> file -s also shows it
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1503 [09:39:04] <jml2> dionysus69, np
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1506 [09:39:23] <jml2> dionysus69, people will say go "dd", rsync, tar, etc.. but cp is available everywhere...
1507 [09:39:33] <dionysus69> ok so: sudo cp -axP / (target) would copy root to the target correct?
1508 [09:39:33] <jml2> dionysus69, so if you're ever stuck with a boot disc, you'll definitely have it
1509 [09:39:38] <jml2> dionysus69, yep
1510 [09:39:41] <jml2> dionysus69, cp -axP
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1512 [09:40:03] <jml2> dionysus69, but dont do it with a live system
1513 [09:40:03] <dionysus69> ok i ll investigate those flags some more
1514 [09:40:10] <jml2> dionysus69, better to do it from a rescue boot
1515 [09:40:15] <dionysus69> is one of those flags compressing for faster copying?
1516 [09:40:39] <jml2> dionysus69, here i suggest -> cp -axP /mnt/source/* /target
1517 [09:40:45] <dionysus69> I cant do it from running system?
1518 [09:40:45] <jml2> dionysus69, (rescue boot)
1519 [09:40:58] <jml2> dionysus69, if you like to know the options -- dude read the manpage ;-)
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1521 [09:41:09] <dionysus69> I will :D
1522 [09:41:20] <jml2> dionysus69, find /path/ |wc -l -- counts the number of items
1523 [09:41:42] <jml2> dionysus69, and you can check with disk usage with "du -hs /path/" to see if everything is copied
1524 [09:42:14] <jml2> dionysus69, it's that simple.. you of course always have to fix "grub"
1525 [09:42:21] <dionysus69> ok so in order to backup I need to go to either rescue or different debian on my pc which I have just in case :D occupies just 8 gigs or something
1526 [09:42:31] <jml2> dionysus69, you can fix it either with a debian-installer/rescue boot ---- or you can also use the 1-click boot-repair iso
1527 [09:42:45] <jml2> dionysus69, this tool is great replaced-url
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1529 [09:43:16] <jml2> dionysus69, you can boot that after you clone it and place the drive in another system.. boot up with boot-repair iso and there'll be 1-click grub fixer.. it's quite like magic
1530 [09:43:24] <dionysus69> would I not be able to fix grub from the same live session I am restoring from?
1531 [09:43:27] <jml2> dionysus69, but here I don't really need to use it because well i'm stubborn :p
1532 [09:43:46] <jml2> dionysus69, i suppose you can.. i'd suggest the debian installer/rescue environment of course
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1534 [09:43:57] <jml2> dionysus69, (or the gparted live iso -- which is based on debian)
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1536 [09:44:11] <dionysus69> hmm I had trouble booting that one
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1538 [09:44:30] <jml2> dionysus69, gparted?
1539 [09:44:30] <dionysus69> I tried like 10 different usbs on both mbd and uefi
1540 [09:44:33] <dionysus69> yes
1541 [09:44:35] <jml2> dionysus69, in vbox?
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1543 [09:44:40] <dionysus69> mbr*
1544 [09:44:43] <jml2> dionysus69, yeah there's a bug i filed about it
1545 [09:44:45] <dionysus69> not in vbox on real pc
1546 [09:45:02] <jml2> dionysus69, which gparted release? it's now 0.25xxx
1547 [09:45:11] <dionysus69> I tried it like 6 months ago
1548 [09:45:16] <jml2> dionysus69, there' 3 editions , pae, 586, and x64
1549 [09:45:29] <jml2> dionysus69, is your debian 64-bit?
1550 [09:45:33] <dionysus69> yes
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1552 [09:45:57] <jml2> dionysus69, (this of course means the 64-bit gparted)
1553 [09:46:10] <dionysus69> hmm ye ok I ll give it one more shot
1554 [09:46:13] <jml2> dionysus69, (same idea with the edition of boot-repair iso)
1555 [09:46:13] <dionysus69> brb
1556 [09:47:07] <dionysus69> gparted 64 bit should support uefi right?
1557 [09:47:17] <dionysus69> so I ll just dd iso to usb
1558 [09:47:19] <jml2> dionysus69, y it can boot uefi -- (use the latest)
1559 [09:47:35] <jml2> dionysus69, yeah you can use dd iso to usb with gparted
1560 [09:47:39] <jml2> dionysus69, (gparted live iso)
1561 [09:47:46] <dionysus69> yep I ll go for it
1562 [09:47:59] <dionysus69> its nice to prepare it advance of a disaster
1563 [09:48:01] <jml2> dionysus69, or .. cat gparted.iso > /dev/usbdrive (substitute usbdrive)
1564 [09:48:39] <dionysus69> haha I am not good with anatomy of commands, how do cat and dd compare ? :D
1565 [09:48:45] <Posterdati> please help: I've got jessie running on an HP Pro 3405 Series MT, it freezes while accessing usb for a canon scanner/printer with xsane, no kernel errors, I have to poweroff with the button > 4 sec.
1566 [09:48:48] <jml2> dionysus69, since you mention uefi, that is pretty new with gparted live iso, you should be using the latest
1567 [09:49:06] <jml2> dionysus69, same thing.. it's just that i'm stubborn :)
1568 [09:49:12] <Posterdati> xsane freezes when it tries to open the scanner
1569 [09:49:41] <jml2> Posterdati, did you try insane?
1570 [09:49:48] <jml2> Posterdati, bad joke sorry XD
1571 [09:49:53] <jml2> tehehe
1572 [09:49:56] <dionysus69> jml2: :D
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1574 [09:50:00] <Posterdati> very
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1576 [09:51:26] <jml2> Posterdati, you can try allocating irq's just for the scanner -- eg if you see a "shared interrupt" in ->cat /proc/interrupts for the scanner, that might be a viable avenue
1577 [09:51:45] <jml2> (try to have the scanner on non-shared interrupt)
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1582 [09:52:51] <Posterdati> jml2: could be a bad uefi firmware issue?
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1584 [09:53:12] <jml2> Posterdati, for scanner usb cabling? unlikely
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1586 [09:53:29] <Posterdati> jml2: for usb
1587 [09:53:37] <jml2> Posterdati, you could always try a usb cable with a coiled concentrator
1588 [09:53:45] <jml2> Posterdati, (better usb cable)
1589 [09:53:59] <Ademan> ifconfig shows a "wwan0" on my hand-me-down laptop, is that like a 3g card?
1590 [09:54:03] <jml2> Posterdati, does the scanner have an AC port?
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1592 [09:54:16] <jml2> Posterdati, (ac power port)
1593 [09:54:36] <Posterdati> jml2: the problem is that this is a canon 490mp, the scanner can work with the device turned off, that means that the scanner part is usb powered
1594 [09:54:56] <Posterdati> it is a multifunction device
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1596 [09:55:31] <jml2> Posterdati, maybe there's a "firmware" update for the scanner itself, but usually this means ("canon") to do the update from windows
1597 [09:55:59] <Posterdati> jml2: this pc replaced another one with jessie on it too and it worked fine
1598 [09:56:09] <jml2> Posterdati, i know epson scanners work out of the box (here i got one -- perfection v.39 -- but it's not compatilbe with xsane -- though comes with a great .deb package supplied by epson)
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1600 [09:56:39] <jml2> Posterdati, could be a problematic usb bus on the motherboard..
1601 [09:56:47] <Posterdati> jml2: I think this too
1602 [09:56:51] <jml2> Posterdati, electronics incompatibility..
1603 [09:57:09] <jml2> Posterdati, i had to use a via sata expansion card so that 1 particular brand drive works on my system
1604 [09:57:16] <Posterdati> jml2: the no kernel errors make me think this way
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1606 [09:57:23] <jml2> Posterdati, (this drive never worked well on two systems) -- now it works flawless
1607 [09:57:36] <jml2> Posterdati, if you have a spare usb expansion card, that might do the trick
1608 [09:57:52] <Posterdati> I will try to use a powered usb hub
1609 [09:58:11] <jml2> Posterdati, not fully powered by the mother usb port i hope
1610 [09:58:17] <Posterdati> it is a pci express machine
1611 [09:58:18] <jml2> Posterdati, you'll only get degradation with those things
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1613 [09:58:25] <jml2> Posterdati, that's a good idea
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1615 [09:58:53] <jml2> Posterdati, the other possibility is as you suspected is updating the firmware/bios .. that's a good bet --- or possibly check for options
1616 [09:58:58] <Posterdati> or I will try to update the uefi bios
1617 [09:59:03] <jml2> Posterdati, but again updating the bios can add those extra options
1618 [09:59:33] <Posterdati> problem is that firmware is not installable on this machine, I have no windows on it :)
1619 [09:59:50] <jml2> Posterdati, btw you ever hear of "microcode" ? there's microcode packages for intel chips
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1621 [10:00:06] <jml2> Posterdati, (if that helps.. it is afterall "firmware" on-fly for the cpu)
1622 [10:00:12] <Posterdati> does it work for bioses too?
1623 [10:00:16] <jml2> Posterdati, it's different
1624 [10:00:43] <jml2> Posterdati, but i install it everytime -- it doesn't do "permanent" burning -- it is firmware supplied by intel -- but it is also repackaged in .deb
1625 [10:00:48] <Posterdati> is uefi bios upgradable by bios itself?
1626 [10:00:51] <jml2> Posterdati, (it's very safe)
1627 [10:00:55] <jml2> Posterdati, yes
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1629 [10:01:08] <jml2> Posterdati, new bioses look for a fat32 usb stick
1630 [10:01:16] <jml2> Posterdati, and often it's just a .bio file you copy on it
1631 [10:01:36] <jml2> Posterdati, (but the microcode thing is something else)
1632 [10:01:51] <jml2> Posterdati, (microcode does not "burn" the cpu -- it's actually firmware for the "cpu" itself)
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1634 [10:01:58] <jml2> ,v microcode
1635 [10:01:59] <judd> No package named 'microcode' was found in amd64.
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1637 [10:02:13] <jml2> (apt-cache search microcode)
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1639 [10:02:31] <jml2> Posterdati, do this-> dmesg |grep -i fail -- if any firmware is missing, try installing it
1640 [10:02:38] <Elirips> Hello. If I do an 'aptitude update', and aptitude prints a line like 'Current status: 7 updates [+4].': What stands the [+4] for?
1641 [10:02:44] <Posterdati> installed long ago!
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1643 [10:02:46] <Posterdati> :)
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1645 [10:02:55] <jml2> Posterdati, how long ago?
1646 [10:03:00] <jml2> Posterdati, you using kernel 4.x ?
1647 [10:03:04] <Posterdati> when installed the system
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1649 [10:03:13] <Posterdati> no the debian 3.16
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1651 [10:03:41] <XeonSquared> So apparently ftp.au.debian.org doesn't support jessie?
1652 [10:03:59] <jml2> Posterdati, note: intel-microcode is the package
1653 [10:04:08] <jml2> XeonSquared, is it in debian's mirror index?
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1655 [10:04:25] <Posterdati> jml2: no it is an amd64 machine
1656 [10:04:32] <XeonSquared> It's in an unmodified installer so
1657 [10:04:46] <jml2> XeonSquared, i see it
1658 [10:04:58] <somiaj> XeonSquared: what makes you say that? Though httpredir.debian.org might be a better mirror to use
1659 [10:05:25] <XeonSquared> mirror.linux.org.au works
1660 [10:05:27] <XeonSquared> weird
1661 [10:05:28] <jml2> XeonSquared, you can use netselect-apt to help create sources using the fastest repo in australia (netselect-apt -c australia)
1662 [10:05:30] <XeonSquared> nothing was working for a while
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1664 [10:05:36] <XeonSquared> not even my usual CSE mirror
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1667 [10:05:58] <jml2> Posterdati, there's also amd64-microcode
1668 [10:06:00] <jml2> Posterdati, :)
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1670 [10:06:17] <jml2> Posterdati, note it's in non-free
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1675 [10:10:04] <Cloudwalker42> hello i have some problems saving with mutated voewls in VIM. I set the encoding to UTF-8 but after I open the file with less or cat the umlauts aren't displayed. Istead of the mutated voewels there are charackters given like the following: "<C3><A4>"
1676 [10:10:28] <Cloudwalker42> Can someone explain me how to fix VIM to safe the config correctly
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1678 [10:10:40] <jelly> Cloudwalker42: and if you open it with vim again?
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1681 [10:11:09] <Cloudwalker42> jelly: no problem in VIM, everything is displayed correct
1682 [10:11:26] <jelly> echo $'\xC3\xA4' shows a valid lowercase a with umlaut here.
1683 [10:11:43] <jelly> so it seems to be correct UTF-8
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1685 [10:12:21] <Cloudwalker42> jelly: ok so you mean that my config is correct
1686 [10:12:23] <jelly> Cloudwalker42: your locale, or terminal or shell settings are probably to blame
1687 [10:12:29] <jelly> and not vim
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1694 [10:15:02] <Cloudwalker42> jelly: hmm if I use "cat" everything seems to be ok. But I have one problem regarding this mutated vowels. I wanted to create a sites-available config with a ServerAlias in it. But the domain mapping doesn't seem to work after I reload the Apache. Only the aliases with the umlauts doesn't work and I thought this may be a problem regarding the encoding
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1699 [10:16:03] <jelly> Cloudwalker42: you'll have to put puny-encoded ascii in ServerAlias, not UTF-8
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1701 [10:16:36] <jelly> Cloudwalker42: replaced-url
1702 [10:16:46] <Cloudwalker42> jelly: thx I ll have a look
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1704 [10:17:38] <Cloudwalker42> jelly: ah damn I know what u mean. A long time ago I used this encoding ... but I don't use it very often... Im a noob ^^
1705 [10:17:43] <jelly> so not "domain-with-ümlaut.com" but "xn--domain-with-mlaut-e3b.com"
1706 [10:18:03] <Cloudwalker42> jelly: yeah nice thx ... you're the men !
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1724 [10:33:17] <adm001mi> hey all
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1726 [10:33:40] <adm001mi> got a live version of debian running, but it doesn't recognize my vga via xrandr/arandr
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1728 [10:34:05] <adm001mi> it's a laptop btw
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1765 [10:54:07] <neglesaks> gentlemen. Do I understand the replaced-url
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1771 [10:56:57] <jml2> neglesaks, you should keep the efi partition just in case
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1775 [10:58:32] <neglesaks> well, its a blank disk, but I supose I can experiment.
1776 [10:59:15] <jml2> neglesaks, its not only debian, efi stub has been around for a while..
1777 [10:59:27] <jml2> neglesaks, it'd be interesting though to see it automated as a choice
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1779 [10:59:58] <jml2> neglesaks, i've never done it, but i think it is not foul-proof enough which is why i dont think it is more of a wise choice than grub-efi
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1782 [11:00:22] <neglesaks> Trie. Ive had a fair number of tufts of hair lost from my head over the years as to understand the interaction between GPT and EFI, but it seems now that with Jessie, the UEFI situation is mostly fixed.
1783 [11:00:24] <jml2> neglesaks, if it works then that's great, the boot-up will be slightly faster
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1785 [11:00:41] <neglesaks> Ill hit enter here, and see what comes out of it. Hang on
1786 [11:00:57] <jml2> neglesaks, uefi compatibility is still a new thing in terms of 'stability' in linux
1787 [11:01:16] <jml2> neglesaks, (last 2 years), i wouldn't say for years uefi and linux has been very stable
1788 [11:01:43] <jml2> neglesaks, for EFI systems you need to be using an efi partition to fit the standard..
1789 [11:01:57] <jml2> neglesaks, (as uefi program expects it, so you should create one)
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1791 [11:02:35] <jml2> neglesaks, that's the basic thing with GPT, is that it conforms to the "bios called UEFI", and "EFI partition" (~200 MB) is fat32 as the first partition
1792 [11:02:39] <jml2> !gpt
1793 [11:02:40] <dpkg> GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the Extensible Firmware Interface (<EFI>). util-linux's <fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>. replaced-url
1794 [11:02:40] <neglesaks> Hm. Too bad I don't see an explicit EFI filesystem type in the drive paritioning section in the Deb installer
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1796 [11:03:06] <jml2> neglesaks, it'll autogenerate it, if it see the boot-up as an EFI system
1797 [11:03:17] <jml2> neglesaks, it looks at the "memory" to see if there's anything "efi" in it
1798 [11:03:20] <neglesaks> I usually install the GPT before using the instaler, as the installer then uses that partitioning scheme
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1800 [11:03:41] <neglesaks> OK, well I booted with the UEFI mode installer so that should be OK.
1801 [11:04:19] <jml2> neglesaks, y that was with wheezy, though i'm not sure if its the same with jessie -- i know fedora is "smart" enough to tell that a MBR should not be used and automatically changes it to GPT -- I don't think debian is able to determine this yet, but i could be wrong on this
1802 [11:04:50] <jml2> neglesaks, you can file a bugreport to the debian-installer team and make this suggestion
1803 [11:04:54] <jml2> neglesaks, thing is
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1807 [11:05:53] <jml2> neglesaks, knowing all things debian and opensource, there's also "hack" workarounds that "grub-pc" uses, so that you can use a GPT drive in a MBR drive -- it's not officially supported by linux installers but I've used this a number of times for large drives on bios systems
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1809 [11:06:09] <jml2> ./GPT drive in a BIOS system./
1810 [11:06:48] <jml2> neglesaks, you using > 2.2 TB drive on a BIOS system?
1811 [11:07:38] <neglesaks> No, I'm installing on a 250 G SSD, but I've long preferred the GPT for its newer featues, fx. the dual partition table, in case of some bad stuff happening
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1813 [11:07:52] <neglesaks> And the system is an Intel NUC, ie. UEFI
1814 [11:09:48] <jml2> neglesaks, you really don't have anything to gain
1815 [11:10:13] <jml2> neglesaks, certain new gfx cards are getting augmented into supporting better performance in uefi.. but the nuc boxes i think also do bios-boots
1816 [11:10:19] <jml2> neglesaks, if not then you have to use gpt
1817 [11:10:43] <jml2> neglesaks, be sure to install microcde and all firmware necessary for those boxes
1818 [11:10:49] <jml2> neglesaks, it's "intel gfx"
1819 [11:10:55] <jml2> neglesaks, (here i have a nuc box
1820 [11:11:13] <jml2> neglesaks, -- i mean it's currently not in my possession, but something i've setup for somebody
1821 [11:11:31] <jml2> neglesaks, and there's a number of firmware proprietary that is needed
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1823 [11:13:36] <neglesaks> a
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1826 [11:15:05] <hiya> anyone able to achieve installation of freeradius 3.x on jessie?
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1828 [11:15:46] <teraflops> ,v freeradius
1829 [11:15:47] <judd> Package: freeradius on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.1.10+dfsg-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.1.10+dfsg-2+squeeze1; wheezy: 2.1.12+dfsg-1.2; wheezy-backports: 2.2.5+dfsg-0.1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.2.5+dfsg-0.2; sid: 2.2.8+dfsg-0.1+b2; stretch: 2.2.8+dfsg-0.1+b2
1830 [11:16:17] <hiya> :D
1831 [11:16:25] <teraflops> I see heh
1832 [11:16:31] <hiya> only old version of available and 3.x was launched in 2013
1833 [11:16:32] <hiya> :D
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1836 [11:17:00] <hiya> teraflops, do something bro
1837 [11:17:15] <teraflops> hiya: you can't backport it?
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1842 [11:18:59] <hiya> teraflops, but there is no backport :( I think I have to use repo by a debian maintainer he is from CH
1843 [11:19:03] <hiya> are you here right now?
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1862 [11:32:15] <TomyWork> I built a tiny executable on kubuntu 14.04 and I cant run it on debian wheezy: "./wrapper-linux-x86-64: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by ./wrapper-linux-x86-64)"
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1866 [11:32:42] <TomyWork> how do i compile this executable so it runs on both?
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1870 [11:34:55] <TomyWork> replaced-url
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1876 [11:37:07] <TomyWork> the command used to build the executable is: gcc -O3 -fPIC -Wall --pedantic -pthread wrapper.c wrapperinfo.c wrappereventloop.c wrapper_unix.c property.c logger.c -lm -o ../../bin/wrapper
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1878 [11:37:28] <TomyWork> the source is available here: replaced-url
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1882 [11:38:18] <TomyWork> i had to move the "-lm" behind the .c files and use my distribution's ant instead of the bundled one to make it work, though
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1888 [11:42:38] <MeanEYE> Any easy way of installing VirtualBox on Testing?
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1926 [12:00:39] <skazz> Anyone here know why a touch screen would randomly missalign some boots but not others? (Very simple xinit script, no other config around the touch, just call xinput with the calibration settings before loading the window manager)
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1935 [12:06:02] <hiya> is Debian the most secure desktop OS?
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1942 [12:10:22] <bezaban> hiya: probably not
1943 [12:10:48] <bezaban> in general it is as secure as the admin makes it, speaking of superlatives in this context is meaningless.
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1947 [12:13:00] <TomyWork> MeanEYE replaced-url
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1952 [12:13:48] <MeanEYE> TomyWork, Thanks for reply. I forgot "contrib" is a thing.
1953 [12:13:53] <MeanEYE> So I managed.
1954 [12:13:56] <MeanEYE> Thanks again!
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2001 [12:47:12] <teraflops> hiya: I was afk. Sometimes you can backport shit by yourself. There's a handy factoid here I can't remeber.
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2005 [12:48:17] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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2017 [12:53:23] <ColormeBad> Hey everyone, i have this weird issue :(, I have a custom assigned mac address for my lxc container on the one host at 10.0.0.7 and my firewall at 10.0.0.1 has a static dhcp entry for it's mac address, but when I checked my arp-scan -l output this morning its showing duplicates on that 10.0.0.7 address with the exact same mac address for each DUP
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2019 [12:53:42] <ColormeBad> I tried stopping the container and the address still responds, rechecked arp-scan thereafter and the mac address is still the same, any help please?
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2032 [12:57:52] <maroloccio> hibernate/resume works if i disable the intel gpu, use discrete only, use propr vid driver, suspend to image without passphrase, susped from virtual console (only!) and switch back to X after resume going back to the tty once before looking at the gui
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2035 [12:58:46] <maroloccio> why exactly this is, nobody knows. because i am resuming from a swap on an lvm inside a luks container? because of the various drivers i use? seriously, no idea
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2114 [13:16:28] <kung> Hi, is there any display server which support auto-resizing to a VMWare window resolution?
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2121 [13:17:44] <towo^work> vmware?
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2123 [13:17:58] <towo^work> aoutoresize is done after installing guestadditions
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2125 [13:18:04] <towo^work> *autoresize
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2131 [13:20:19] <kung> Hm, I did apt-get install open-vm-tools, do I need something else?
2132 [13:20:53] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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2134 [13:21:41] <dury> frankensdebian what term is that?
2135 [13:21:53] <markybob> !frankendebian
2136 [13:21:53] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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2139 [13:22:09] <markybob> !tell dury about dontbreakdebian
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2146 [13:23:31] <dury> markybob, if I install Skype or Spotify by repos I'm breaking debian?
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2153 [13:24:51] <markybob> dury: those in particular probably not. but it also depends how you do it. downloading a deb and using dpkg is much better than adding a ppa or some nonsense, for example.
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2157 [13:26:09] <dury> markybob, I see I catch it
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2160 [13:26:36] <dury> markybob, be back in a moment, lunch time
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2162 [13:28:00] <kung> Oha, nice, I got it, I needed "apt-get install open-vm-tools-desktop"
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2177 [13:38:38] <anexit_> Anyway to find the motherboard model from cli?
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2180 [13:39:37] <frostschutz> anexit_, lshw
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2198 [13:45:37] <jelly> anexit_: dmidecode as well
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2233 [14:02:16] <anexit_> Thanks all.
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2253 [14:13:30] <dury> alternatives configurator is it a package for jessie?
2254 [14:13:54] <mooncheese> Hi, anyone know of a editor that features a tree view in the same fashion as kate does?
2255 [14:14:00] <dury> replaced-url
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2260 [14:15:40] <mooncheese> I love kate except it is so unstable. It is the walking dead on my box, zombie processes everywhere.
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2270 [14:18:28] <dury> got it "apt-get install galternatives" without brakets :-)
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2295 [14:32:58] <Pr0metheus> hi i am trying to mount a disk (ntfs) to be accessible with read/write access but with no luck, can anyone tell what i am doing wrong:
2296 [14:33:01] <Pr0metheus> /dev/disk/by-uuid/DC24FEE124FEBD98 /mnt/Data auto nodev,user,rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,nofail,umask=0777,x-gvfs-show 0 0
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2301 [14:36:11] <nkuttler> !tell Pr0metheus about user accessible ntfs
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2335 [14:50:03] <mooncheese> i guess compiling the latest version of kate is not going to happen.
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2339 [14:50:57] <mooncheese> oh ,well guess i'll just nice the bloody thing and kill when it starts spawning zombies
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2385 [15:07:22] <Guest31012> Hi.
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2395 [15:10:02] <Guest31012> I have problem with wifi on lenovo x240. After installing supposedly good firmware ( something like firmware-iwfisomething ) the networks showed up in network manager but I still can't connect. Journalctl says the device disconnected, entered state failed for no reason.
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2397 [15:10:17] <Guest31012> I am using jessie.
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2404 [15:13:15] <dfcnvt> Is there a way to increase the 'frame rate' on my cursor? (Not in game but on my desktop)
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2409 [15:14:25] <karlpinc> !tell Guest31012 about pciid
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2412 [15:14:55] <karlpinc> Guest31012: Tell us your pciid so we can check you're using the right driver/firmware.
2413 [15:14:56] <dfcnvt> Guest31012: I may well first connect through the ethernet cable first. Then go through 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'.
2414 [15:15:26] <dfcnvt> Guest31012: After all that is done, then maybe your wifi driver/firmware may be back to normal.
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2416 [15:15:59] <dfcnvt> Guest31012: Otherwise, do find the right one and install them directly.
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2418 [15:16:19] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: You'll want to be using the recommeded video driver. What video hardware?
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2421 [15:16:51] <dfcnvt> karlpinc: I think I already have all the needed video driver -- I'm not sure if it is a video issue.
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2423 [15:16:56] <dfcnvt> karlpinc: It's Nvidia.
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2426 [15:17:34] <dfcnvt> karlpinc: GeForce GTX 550 Ti
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2429 [15:18:08] <dfcnvt> Shouldn't there be a config for a mouse's cursor rate?
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2431 [15:18:16] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: The bot may have clues. Follow the factoids by typing "/msg dpkg nvidia" into irc here.
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2434 [15:19:00] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: You could also tell us if you're using nouveau or the proprietary driver.
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2436 [15:19:48] <ruied> Hello... I'm a newby with systemd. I need to change the boot order of 2 services. Need dahdi.service to run first than wanrouter.service... I was used to sistem v... where can I change the order of one of the serices that are starting?
2437 [15:20:03] <dfcnvt> karlpinc: I believe I already have installed nvidia driver to it. The issue with video graphic is all solved just fine. My concern is simply the mouse cursor rate.
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2439 [15:21:29] <rozie> dfcnvt: usually WM has some program to manage mouse sensitivity
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2441 [15:22:07] <ruied> when I do: systemd-analyze plot |grep wanrouter I see the service and when it started (I think) but do not know ehere to change it
2442 [15:22:41] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: That might be the dkms. (Or maybe not.) I'm sure mouse-like stuff is done with blit-bitting, or whatever equalivent exists these days. And it might need to be enabled. Just what exactly do you see as the problem? The mouse goes away and re-appears somewhere else, or what?
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2445 [15:23:42] <dfcnvt> rozie: I tried that. I changed the sensitivity and it doesn't really change it. Perhaps, I'm not clear on the mouse cursor. I moved my mouse left to right a bit quick/fast and the cursor itself doesn't really move smoothly but had a multiple cursors going left/right. Like a latency or low frame rate.
2446 [15:24:44] <dfcnvt> The curosr is very normal to any computer. I just want to increase the frame rate on the cursor, if that make sense.
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2448 [15:25:18] <Guest31012> karlpinc, dfcnvt thanks for the input. Right now I can't connect through the cable to perform full update, but I will report back once I will do so ( if it won't help ).
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2451 [15:25:35] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: It's not dkms. That's for the proprietary driver.
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2460 [15:28:46] <dfcnvt> karlpinc: I guess I need to jump to configuration inside the Nvidia.
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2463 [15:29:34] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: The man page says there's a hardware cursor. I'd expect it to be on. What do your X logs say?
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2468 [15:30:43] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: For that matter, you could paste your X logs somewhere so somebody who knows something can take a look.
2469 [15:30:50] <dfcnvt> karlpinc: I'm looking at nvidia setting here: replaced-url
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2475 [15:32:01] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: Nobody wants to look at a picture. Post the text at, say, paste.debian.net
2476 [15:32:47] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: Use nopaste or pastebinit to make it easy.
2477 [15:33:48] <dfcnvt> karlpinc: i see it now... 'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log' It said that both LCD hardware do not support NVIDIA 3D
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2479 [15:34:22] <dfcnvt> I guess I need to find the right version that DO support my LCD... Err
2480 [15:34:23] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: That does not look at all like nouveau. It looks like a propritary driver tool.
2481 [15:34:41] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: Are you sure you're running nouveau?
2482 [15:34:53] <dfcnvt> replaced-url
2483 [15:35:02] <dfcnvt> karlpinc: How do I confirm what driver I am using right now?
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2485 [15:35:20] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: Probably lsmod
2486 [15:36:10] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: Further, if you downloaded the driver from nvidia you did it wong. There's a debian-supported way to use the proprietary driver.
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2488 [15:37:01] <dfcnvt> karlpinc: No, I think it was through apt-get (with 3rd party included)
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2491 [15:37:37] <dfcnvt> karlpinc: Not sure if this is a way to confirm it: replaced-url
2492 [15:37:39] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: That'd be the right way. (Assuming you didn't change your sources.list to point to a non-debian repo.)
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2496 [15:38:36] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: Looks like the proprietary module to me.
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2500 [15:39:09] <dfcnvt> karlpinc: replaced-url
2501 [15:39:10] <roger21> yop
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2503 [15:39:54] <roger21> i try to add some color into the format parameter of /usr/bin/time
2504 [15:40:04] <roger21> no success, is it possible?
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2506 [15:40:36] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: Your sources.list is stock.
2507 [15:40:46] <dfcnvt> karlpinc: hm?
2508 [15:41:16] <dfcnvt> stock = good?
2509 [15:41:21] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: You're using the supported way to install the proprietary driver.
2510 [15:41:30] <TomyWork> i have a bunch of .debs where the data.tar.gz entry is before control.tar.gz. dpkg -i doesnt seem to mind much, but dpkg-deb --show does mind. is there a way to read the version number from those, without doing the parsing on foot or manipulating the .debs?
2511 [15:41:40] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: Perhaps the readme.debian says something?
2512 [15:41:47] <karlpinc> !tell dfcnvt about readme.debian
2513 [15:42:35] <themill> TomyWork: version number of the package? (are the files not named systematically?)
2514 [15:42:50] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: Or, the man page. :-)
2515 [15:43:43] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: I suppose it's also possible that a newer kernel from backports.debian.org would help. I don't know much about this.
2516 [15:43:51] <TomyWork> themill they are, but according to several systems, none of them debian's :)
2517 [15:44:01] <themill> awesome
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2519 [15:44:32] <karlpinc> dfcnvt: (Or I suppose you could try the nouveau driver.)
2520 [15:44:34] * dfcnvt is now in process of reading README.Debian in */nvidia-driver/
2521 [15:44:36] <TomyWork> so to recap, i have a bunch of broken wrongly-named debs that i want to read the version of
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2523 [15:45:04] <TomyWork> "ar p | tar p | sed" or something might work
2524 [15:45:20] <themill> TomyWork: indeed
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2526 [15:45:26] <TomyWork> sorry, tar x -O
2527 [15:45:41] <TomyWork> but that'll be parsing on foot
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2529 [15:45:53] <jelly> dpkg -I calls dpkg-deb, right?
2530 [15:45:54] * dpkg removes a kidney from jelly and replaces it with calls dpkg-deb, right
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2532 [15:46:03] <jelly> dpkg: be quiet
2533 [15:46:03] <dpkg> Ah, shuddup.
2534 [15:46:29] <TomyWork> jelly apparently
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2536 [15:47:31] <Faris> Guys guys, I love debian Jessie, like a lot, but I can't seem to downgrade my lamp stack, especially libapache2-mod-php5 :( I need php5.5 :(
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2539 [15:48:03] <Faris> I used debian wheezy as my downgrade repo, but that gives me lots of squalala from apt
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2541 [15:48:08] <Faris> he won't downgrade deps
2542 [15:48:40] <jelly> yeah, you won't be able to do that.
2543 [15:48:41] <TomyWork> ah, php... the 90s
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2546 [15:49:38] <jelly> Faris: keep a local build of php 5.5 someplace, or keep using wheezy, or start with a minimal wheezy install, put php on hold and release upgrade everything else.
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2548 [15:51:04] <Faris> jelly: what's a local buid? a locally compiled copy?
2549 [15:51:08] <jelly> yes
2550 [15:51:26] <jelly> in a separate directory, think /opt/php5.5 or /usr/local/php5.5
2551 [15:51:27] <Faris> jelly: yeah, the big problem is libapache2-mod-php5, and its deps
2552 [15:51:37] <Faris> jelly, same solution applies? :)
2553 [15:51:49] <jelly> you can only load one mod_php.
2554 [15:52:07] <Faris> I can compile one and load it from apache2
2555 [15:52:24] <Faris> okay thanks bro!
2556 [15:52:35] <maziar> hello everyone how can i install mediafilesegmenter on debian jessie
2557 [15:52:44] <Faris> jelly, so I'm not missing out on anything, downgrading packages is a bad idea right
2558 [15:53:05] <jelly> Faris: we only do this for systems with legacy crap that needs multiple versions of php available. In that case we make all/most virtualhosts use fastcgi or fpm.
2559 [15:53:08] <themill> TomyWork: «python3 -c"from debian.debfile import DebFile; print(DebFile('sl_3.03-17_amd64.deb').control.debcontrol()['Version'])"» add salt to taste.
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2563 [15:53:54] <TomyWork> i was going more for a ruby script :D
2564 [15:54:01] <themill> meh
2565 [15:54:07] <jelly> Faris: going from apache 2.4 in jessie to 2.2 from wheezy is going to be an impossible mission. you MAY have better luck siwtching to cgi or fcgi.
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2567 [15:54:22] <TomyWork> but there's probably a ruby variant of this
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2569 [15:54:34] <jelly> Faris: instead of mod_php that is
2570 [15:54:40] <Faris> jelly, that's what I thought
2571 [15:54:53] <themill> TomyWork: ruby-debian exists
2572 [15:55:00] <Faris> jelly, that mod_php is just liability
2573 [15:55:15] <TomyWork> this looks an awful lot like a wrapper around dpkg-deb
2574 [15:55:33] <themill> TomyWork: the python one is not; no idea about the ruby one
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2576 [15:55:50] <TomyWork> the ruby-one might not be either... lemme check :)
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2578 [15:57:13] <TomyWork> $Id: README,v 1.7 2001/04/27 21:42:12 ukai Exp $
2579 [15:57:15] <TomyWork> holy!
2580 [15:57:45] <ksk> hola. ps in jessie seems to cut long users names - why is that? Can I workaround that somehow?
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2585 [15:58:42] <jelly> ksk: use custom output format (ps -o ...)
2586 [15:59:18] <ksk> how do I combine that mit lets say "ps faux" which I tend to use often? tells me incorrect syntax if I tried "ps -o user faux"
2587 [15:59:26] <ksk> s/mit/with/
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2589 [15:59:51] <jelly> that's between you and the manual
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2592 [16:01:10] <sauna> Any good guides how to turn sda3 ROOT partition (100G) size into sda3 ROOT partition(10G) + sda4 LVM (rest) ?
2593 [16:01:13] <jgornick> Hey folks, anyone familiar with having udev rename a network interface to a name that already exists? I'm trying to rename my interfaces based on USB bus/port locations and interface type (i.e. wlan). However, when I plug in the first network interface into bus 1 port 2, it gets wlan0. But then when I plug in another network interface into bus 1 port 1, it gets wlan1 to start, but I want to rename to wlan0 because it's on a lower
2594 [16:01:13] <jgornick> bus/port number.
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2598 [16:02:10] <TomyWork> themill i might go through ffi... is there some c lib i can use to query versions?
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2602 [16:02:58] <ksk> thanks jelly, one addition, if you add "-o user" it gets cut too, you have to put "-o user:15" to make it eg. 15 chars long
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2604 [16:03:19] <jim> sauna, you need additional storage
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2608 [16:04:02] <themill> TomyWork: How are you actually going to use this information btw?
2609 [16:04:02] <jelly> sauna: option 1) backup, reformat, restore option 2) live image and offline shrinking of existing filesystem and partition
2610 [16:04:02] <jim> do you have about 100g of unpartitioned space
2611 [16:04:14] <jim> sauna, ?
2612 [16:04:22] <sauna> My root partition only 900 M out of 100G. Can I use the live usb to do this ?
2613 [16:04:25] <TomyWork> themill i'm cleaning up all but the latest snapshot from an apt repo
2614 [16:05:04] <jelly> sauna: yes. gparted live image is created with such partition editing in mind
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2616 [16:05:10] <jim> you have to for part of this
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2618 [16:05:48] <themill> TomyWork: and you've already built most of this in ruby?
2619 [16:06:06] <themill> (it's about 5 lines of python to do this)
2620 [16:06:12] <TomyWork> really?
2621 [16:06:36] <sauna> So it would be -> Use Gpardted to shrink root filesystem and leave free space, then boot and set up lvm ?
2622 [16:06:36] <themill> well it was a one-liner to get the package version from an arbitrary package
2623 [16:06:39] <TomyWork> cause the python script i'm meaning to replace (which only works for one type of naming scheme) is like 500 lines :D
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2625 [16:07:08] <TomyWork> ok, 154
2626 [16:07:16] <jim> you could do it that way
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2628 [16:07:20] <TomyWork> and it's a pain to the eye
2629 [16:07:40] <jim> but, note,,, this is risky and an extreme action... it pays to back up
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2632 [16:08:03] <sauna> Well I actually just debootstrapped it, forgot about the lvm
2633 [16:08:08] <themill> TomyWork: yeah well, you can write fortran in any language
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2635 [16:08:28] <jelly> sauna: why not just reinstall
2636 [16:08:39] <TomyWork> it's more like mathlab
2637 [16:08:49] <sauna> I hoped to work on my sys. Admin. skills :P
2638 [16:09:04] <sauna> but I need a stable system, so reinstall better ?
2639 [16:09:22] <jim> ok, your sysad skills should tell you to backup
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2642 [16:09:47] <jim> what did you end up installing?
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2646 [16:10:22] <sauna> only debootstrap jessie, kernel, 1 driver and grub-pc, minimal system.
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2649 [16:10:48] <jim> ok, jessie is current stable...
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2651 [16:11:13] <jim> are you currently booted into it? do you have space to back things up?
2652 [16:11:26] <sauna> well the goal is to set up xen server, I quess I don't need all that other stuff
2653 [16:11:42] <jim> all what other stuff?
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2655 [16:11:45] <sauna> Only 1 hard drive
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2657 [16:11:55] <sauna> well the stuff that comes from "tasksel install standard"
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2659 [16:12:42] <jim> how large is the hard drive?
2660 [16:12:48] <jim> 100g?
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2663 [16:13:03] <sauna> 111 G , but I only use like 1
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2669 [16:14:30] <jim> I'll have to say, I'd feel nervous if you lost important data... but are you saying there is none yet?
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2671 [16:14:50] <sauna> no data on it, just fresh install
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2674 [16:15:30] <jim> ok, so you do have some choices, and reinstalling is among those...
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2676 [16:15:37] <TomyWork> themill your python script works with the broken debs, btw. even in python2
2677 [16:15:44] <TomyWork> and i dont even have to install any modules
2678 [16:15:54] <themill> yep
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2680 [16:16:51] <jim> so I guess it's up to you... what do you want to do? keep the present install, and carve up the drive?
2681 [16:17:02] <themill> DebFile pokes the ar directly using a python ar library that is standard and we've got everything in python-debian as polyglot code.
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2683 [16:17:26] <themill> and python-debian is pseudo-standard through other dependencies
2684 [16:17:29] <jim> or reinstall, and set up lvm from the start? (also, do you want your / partition to be in lvm?)
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2686 [16:18:40] <sauna> no need I quess
2687 [16:18:47] <jim> do you have a separate machine you can irc with while you do this?
2688 [16:18:59] <sauna> yes
2689 [16:19:11] <jim> and are you on it now?
2690 [16:19:16] <sauna> yes
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2692 [16:19:40] <jim> ok.
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2694 [16:19:57] <jim> you have all the info... what do you want to do?
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2697 [16:20:24] <sauna> I am going to try the aggressive way and partition everything exactly the same.
2698 [16:20:56] <sauna> using fdisk, because I have debian live right now
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2700 [16:21:19] <jim> ok, you've already booted the live cd and it's running now?
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2702 [16:22:03] <sauna> Yes, I will write down the start and end blocks. Kind of worried that Debian did write past 10G block on Root partition, but we'll see
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2704 [16:22:50] <jim> I dunno if I'd go that route :)
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2707 [16:23:28] <jim> do you want your / partiion in your lvm?
2708 [16:23:35] <sauna> if it doesn't work I will reinstall.
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2715 [16:24:10] <sauna> No need I think, Debian manual says that it shouldn't be on lvm,
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2719 [16:25:21] <jim> what I would do is use gparted to split the / partition into a 10g and I guess 90g... then put a pv on the 90g
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2721 [16:25:54] <sauna> in the end, wouldn't it do exactly the same thing ?
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2723 [16:26:04] <jim> of course
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2725 [16:26:20] <jim> err, what do you mean exactly?
2726 [16:26:36] <sauna> I mean I split it up exactly like that
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2728 [16:27:23] <sauna> Okay, I have done the partitions exept the last one. Do I have to add extended or just leave it as free space for now ?
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2730 [16:27:34] <jim> so you're asking, is it the same as... what?
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2732 [16:28:19] <sauna> gparted splitting / and fdisk writing the same sector blocks for first partitions and just cutting from wanted sector basically, should be the same
2733 [16:28:35] <jim> if you go with lvm, you don't have to have a lot of partitions
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2735 [16:28:47] <jim> here's what you might do...
2736 [16:29:12] <jim> split the drive into 10/rest of drive
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2738 [16:29:39] <jim> then your / partition is still in the 10g
2739 [16:31:16] <sauna> well It is broken, but lesson learned
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2741 [16:31:46] <jim> make a pv out of the rest of the drive, make a vg, add the pv, add a 10g lv for root, format, mount, copy files across. then, you can unmount the 10g, and have it be /boot
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2748 [16:33:33] <jim> the steps for doing that are lengthy, including setting up /boot, copying /boot from the lv to the partition, mounting the lv on /target and the partition on /target/boot
2749 [16:34:35] <sauna> yes, reinstall it is, debootstraping takes like 8 minutes or so.
2750 [16:34:56] <jim> then you should be able to get grub installed on that system... you can chroot /target, do grub-install (somewhere), then update-grub
2751 [16:35:10] <jim> and cross your fingers,,, it should be bootable
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2754 [16:36:07] <jim> heh :) this is very complex... you sure you don't wanna just reinstall?
2755 [16:36:30] <sauna> i will, I broke it already :D
2756 [16:36:40] <jim> what did you break?
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2761 [16:37:26] <sauna> well I wrote fdisk changes and now it is not bootable anymore
2762 [16:37:45] <jim> yeah, ok... so you'd need, an lv for /, one for /usr, one for /var... a partition for /boot
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2764 [16:38:54] <jim> so, two partitions, (how big should /boot be?), rest of drive for the pv
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2766 [16:39:22] <sauna> I used 400M for /boot and 8G for Swap.
2767 [16:39:43] <jim> is this a desktop machine?
2768 [16:40:00] <sauna> But Debian manual suggests only root, swap and LVM
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2771 [16:40:11] <sauna> Yes, but it will be used as xen-server
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2773 [16:40:20] <jim> ok]
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2775 [16:40:43] <jim> two things...
2776 [16:41:08] <jim> one, it's good to follow the manual, because if you have to do it again, you can
2777 [16:41:52] <sauna> I wanted to create my own manual and maybe put it on Debian, if its any good. In the end it will be a small openstack private cloud :)
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2779 [16:42:18] <jim> two, you should have a spiralbound notebook that you write how you did the install, and later, what you put on it... with the idea being, from that notebook, you can reproduce the server in its entirety
2780 [16:42:23] <jelly> sauna: ignore the manual. make two partitions, one for /boot, one as PV for LVM, and put everything else, including root fs and swap as LVs
2781 [16:42:46] <jim> that's a good way too
2782 [16:43:35] <sauna> yes, that is also good
2783 [16:43:37] <SirLagz> definitely what jelly said. I regret not doing it that way.
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2786 [16:44:09] <jim> later, when you add drives, you can add more pvs on the second drive, you can add to the vg so that you can add space to any of the lvs
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2790 [16:45:30] <jim> if you do get additional drives, I'd start with a 2t drive, and before putting anythign on it, make sure it has a gpt partition table
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2792 [16:45:51] <sauna> Thanks for the help ! It makes sense yes.
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2794 [16:46:28] <jim> yeah, that's pretty much it... document your server as you go thru the install
2795 [16:46:29] <sauna> So I should do use grub-efi ?
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2800 [16:46:55] <Pr0metheus> when my computer starts it stays for ~30sec and sometimes ~50sec waiting for network, how can i check what the cause is?
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2803 [16:47:23] <jim> does your machine support efi? if you want to go that route, you'll need a third partition, for the efi stuff
2804 [16:48:02] <jim> if not, can you turn the efi stuff off in the bios?
2805 [16:48:21] <sauna> It is efi bootable yes, I quess it is the new standard
2806 [16:48:41] <jim> (just document all the choices you make)
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2809 [16:50:39] <jim> (just so you know... making the machine unbootable earlier, you probably could have continued... and the adventure in that direction, would have been full of adventure, false starts, learning, and time
2810 [16:50:44] <jim> )
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2820 [16:53:55] <sauna> yeah, probably. Have to go in an hour though.
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2826 [16:55:49] <jim> sauna which version is that live cd?
2827 [16:56:26] <sauna> 64 bit debian jessie 8.4
2828 [16:56:32] <sauna> standard
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2830 [16:56:36] <noobandnoober> hi
2831 [16:56:37] <jim> perfect...
2832 [16:56:42] <jim> hi
2833 [16:56:56] <jim> well that's what you want, right?
2834 [16:57:11] <noobandnoober> how can i "reverse" this command? apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver
2835 [16:57:11] <sauna> yes.
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2837 [16:57:29] <Lewix> ACPI PCC probe fails.fsck from util-linux 2.26.2/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root: recovering journals; /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root: clean 1093245/30203904 files . 18851498/120784896 blocks. I run fcsk for bad block but it seems there was none - (or i wouldnt know) I rebooted and nothing change
2838 [16:57:48] <jim> perfect... good luck... you are of course welcome to stick around here and ask when you get stuck
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2844 [16:59:09] <Lewix> basically when i startup the computer it hands in there - it gets stuck
2845 [16:59:13] <Lewix> ideas?
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2847 [16:59:29] <jonathan_zz> is there an easy way to undelete single files in Linux?
2848 [16:59:50] <phy1729> did you rm it?
2849 [16:59:55] <jonathan_zz> yes
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2851 [17:00:53] <phy1729> There isn't an easy way to undelete it, but if you turn your computer off and find a file recovery live cd, you'll probably be able to recover it
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2853 [17:01:20] <noobandnoober> I have this error message "oh no something has gone wrong' at startup after i tried to install nvidia-driver, what can i do?please
2854 [17:02:09] <SirLagz> noobandnoober: remove the driver with apt-get purge nvidia-driver and see what happens
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2862 [17:04:54] <jonathan_zz> phy1729: the only tool I know is extundelete but I don't find it very reliable in FINDING the files meant to be undeleted, if you don't specify --restore-all you might fail just because its interface is so poor and it just doesn't find your file, whereas --restore-all will.
2863 [17:04:58] <noobandnoober> SirLagz: I already tried to remove it with apt-get remove, but i still have the same problem
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2866 [17:06:40] <SirLagz> noobandnoober: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? if you do, remove it
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2869 [17:07:54] <jelly> jonathan_zz: make backups more often if you need to restore recent files. there are affordable solutions that can do backups of changed files every 15 minutes or so
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2871 [17:08:26] <jelly> (R1Soft's stuff comes to mind)
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2875 [17:09:04] <jonathan_zz> that's not a solution if you are cleaning up backups to begin with, you don't keep backups of backups you want to delete.
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2877 [17:09:18] <noobandnoober> SirLagz: no i don't have one
2878 [17:09:27] <dionysus69> I found this on archwiki backup guide to exclude these
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2881 [17:09:45] <dionysus69> do these coincide with debian structure?
2882 [17:09:52] <jonathan_zz> it's also not an easy solution.
2883 [17:09:54] <dionysus69> ---- /dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found"
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2888 [17:12:42] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: ext filesystems are not designed to make file recovery easy.
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2890 [17:12:56] <jelly> dionysus69: or enumerate and back up mountpoints with real filesystems and use options like rsync, tar, or cp's --one-file-system
2891 [17:13:06] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: the software doesn't seem to help it either.
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2893 [17:13:28] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: i think it's 80% software and 20% filesystem that makes it so difficult.
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2896 [17:13:58] <jelly> jonathan_zz: were you actually cleaning up backups?
2897 [17:14:09] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: I'd say it's the other way around, and I've seen many generations of file recovery tools for many different filesystems.
2898 [17:14:30] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: There are filesystems that have versioning. Obvioulsy it's not space-efficient.
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2901 [17:15:06] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: my experience is just that extundelete may undelete stuff if you pass one option, but not if you try to pass the exact filename.
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2903 [17:15:36] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: Several of the desktops have "trashcans" available that make file recovery easy, but in real OS terms it just isn't.
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2906 [17:16:10] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: There are other tools, like photorec.
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2909 [17:16:30] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: it's not very important, it would just save me time.
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2917 [17:18:26] <jonathan_zz> I thought extundelete saved filesystem metadata in cache, so to speak, but it appears it doesn't do that either now.
2918 [17:18:45] <jonathan_zz> a better tool should be able to tell me in seconds if a file were recoverable or not.
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2924 [17:22:59] <jonathan_zz> jelly: with me backups are only safe if I put them on DVD ;-).
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2935 [17:27:20] <noobandnoober> does anybody a way to restore all packages like i just installed debian?
2936 [17:27:59] <trimosier> reinstalling would work
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2938 [17:29:19] <noobandnoober> trimosier: i want to keep my files
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2940 [17:30:25] <jonathan_zz> incredible how much slower bzip2 is
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2943 [17:31:14] <jonathan_zz> noobandnoober: by all your files you mean the files in your home directory only?
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2948 [17:34:25] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: the file was unrecoverable. If I had done it sooner it would have worked. A 350M file was undeleted but not the 1.5G I wanted. It's just that I didn't even try because the tool is so hard to use, but maybe now I know just to use the restore-directory flag.
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2950 [17:35:01] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: I'm just saying that if this tool had been easier, I would have my file back. But yeah.
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2955 [17:37:13] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: it was just a source archive of some linux application, but I had to discover the compile flags etc. again, and rebuild the tree I liked.
2956 [17:37:21] <jonathan_zz> hate to*
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2961 [17:41:14] <Slashman> hello, I'm trying to connect myself to an openldap over ssl, it works fine as root (I added my CA to "/usr/local/share/ca-certificates/" and ran "update-ca-certificates" on Debian) but I have the message "TLS: peer cert untrusted or revoked (0x42)" when I try to connect with a normal user
2962 [17:41:30] <Slashman> I have double checked the permissions on the CA files and directories and I can read them with the normal user, any idea of what I am missing?
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2971 [17:46:34] <cisc0> hello guys
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2978 [17:48:21] <jelly> Slashman: cay you verify the chain using something like openssl s_client -CApath /etc/ssl/certs -showcerts -connect ldap.example.com:636
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2980 [17:49:04] <Slashman> jelly: I just tried a wget to an url using a cert signed by the same CA and it works
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2983 [17:49:57] <jelly> Slashman: and you don't have an intermediate ca in the chain?
2984 [17:50:04] <Slashman> jelly: I have the failure with ldapsearch and the python ldap library
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2986 [17:50:10] <Slashman> jelly: I have one
2987 [17:50:51] <jelly> try with s_client, see what it says about the chain provided by ldap ssl service.
2988 [17:50:52] <HoloIRCUser> I want to only protect my grub terminal but when i add the password to /boot/grub/grub.cfg the password is prompting while boot. Any one help me with regards to grub terminal protection.
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2997 [17:53:15] <unlucky> #debian --> /j debian
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2999 [17:53:23] <unlucky> #debian --> /j ubuntu
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3001 [17:53:43] <polyzen> wat
3002 [17:53:43] <unlucky> wat :)
3003 [17:54:23] <Slashman> jelly: seems good, I have "verify return:1" everywhere and "Verify return code: 0 (ok)"
3004 [17:54:23] <unlucky> jelly: seems good, I have "verify return:1" everywhere and "Verify return code: 0 (ok)" :)
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3006 [17:54:42] <bazhang> unlucky, pucky
3007 [17:54:42] <unlucky> unlucky, pucky :)
3008 [17:55:05] <teraflops> Lel
3009 [17:55:06] <unlucky> Lel :)
3010 [17:55:17] <Slashman> just add it to your ignore list
3011 [17:55:18] <unlucky> just add it to your ignore list :)
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3021 [17:58:51] <Slashman> jelly: I tried to add the intermediate CA to the local CA store but it doesn't change anything
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3023 [17:59:02] <jonathan_zz> bzip2 is just so slow... It takes like several hours just to compress the wine home directories (prefixes) that take like 20 seconds to generate.
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3026 [18:01:36] <jelly> jonathan_zz: if you have more cpu cores available, pbzip2 or xz
3027 [18:02:22] <alchemistswl> Hello, I have a question regarding alpine mail client, anyone using it? Is it normal that the thning I am currently on isn't highlighted?
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3050 [18:13:21] <BinBasher> does anyone else have problems concerning wifi / iceweasel?
3051 [18:14:07] <teraflops> I cannot imagine how are WiFi and iceweasel related
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3061 [18:17:04] <BinBasher> No idea, must be just iceweasel I think, iceweasel often disconnects for me while I still have wifi
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3065 [18:17:37] <bazhang> the browser disconnects?
3066 [18:17:41] <BinBasher> yes
3067 [18:17:45] <BinBasher> just the browser
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3069 [18:17:53] <bazhang> and irc is ok
3070 [18:17:59] <BinBasher> yes
3071 [18:18:07] <bazhang> thats dns
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3073 [18:18:21] <BinBasher> ?
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3075 [18:18:56] <teraflops> BinBasher: hmm. Do you have ethernet and WiFi enabled at the same time?
3076 [18:19:13] <bazhang> ask in ##networking about your issue, and mention dns
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3078 [18:19:33] <BinBasher> no teraflops
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3087 [18:21:21] <teraflops> BinBasher: maybe bazhang is right and maybe related to dns timeouts not that the WiFi disconnects
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3089 [18:21:33] <teraflops> But who knows...
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3092 [18:21:57] <bazhang> if irc is ok, and the internet is not, odds are thats the case
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3094 [18:22:45] <bazhang> he/she appears to not even know what dns is, so some reading is needed
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3096 [18:23:19] <teraflops> Hmm. Anyway a dns cache thing makes life easier. Unbound, dnsmaq or whatever
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3118 [18:31:13] <BadApe> hello, i was thinking about installing debian, but i have a bnx2 nic
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3135 [18:37:07] <jelly> dpkg, tell BadApe about firmware images
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3140 [18:38:09] <BadApe> thanks
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3145 [18:40:27] <MisterGadfly> My .xsession file isn't sourced by awesome wm. It's set to executable and everything. Help?
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3158 [18:43:07] <teraflops> why .xsession has to be executable?
3159 [18:43:17] <teraflops> MisterGadfly: do you use any DM?
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3162 [18:44:45] <teraflops> if you use gdm/lightdm just use ~/.xprofile if you do startx create a ~/.xinitrc I guess
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3164 [18:45:03] <MisterGadfly> teraflops: I use lightdm
3165 [18:45:25] <teraflops> MisterGadfly: then switch to ~/.xprofile
3166 [18:45:46] <teraflops> lightdm sources it automatically
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3168 [18:46:13] <MisterGadfly> teraflops: just tried it and it doesn't work
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3170 [18:46:30] <teraflops> tried what and how?
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3172 [18:47:07] <MisterGadfly> teraflops: making an .xprofile
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3175 [18:48:44] <teraflops> tried `cp ~/.xsession ~/.xprofile` and reboot or restart xorg?
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3177 [18:49:12] <MisterGadfly> teraflops: this is my .xprofile replaced-url
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3179 [18:49:30] <MisterGadfly> teraflops: and I logged out and logged back in
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3182 [18:49:49] <MisterGadfly> teraflops: no apparent errors in .xsession-errors
3183 [18:50:02] <teraflops> MisterGadfly: what does `dex -a -e Awesome &` do?
3184 [18:50:27] <MisterGadfly> teraflops: it launches autostartup apps
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3187 [18:50:52] <teraflops> not awesome itself, right?
3188 [18:51:11] <MisterGadfly> teraflops: not awesome, yes
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3194 [18:53:47] <nmschulte> Does anyone run Debian arm64 on their Raspberry Pi 3? Does anyone run Debian armhf (32 bit arm) on their Raspberry Pi (3 or other)?
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3196 [18:54:27] <jelly> nmschulte: try #debian-arm on OFTC
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3198 [18:54:43] <nmschulte> I'm looking at doing this, instead of using the Raspbian "distro", but I'm leery of issues w/re: real-time clock and booting.
3199 [18:54:51] <nmschulte> thanks jelly
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3205 [18:57:27] <teraflops> MisterGadfly: I'm pretty sure lightdm sources ~/.xprofile
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3207 [18:57:47] <MisterGadfly> teraflops: not in my case
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3211 [18:58:45] <MisterGadfly> teraflops: wait, is the profile changed for zsh users?
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3213 [18:58:53] <MisterGadfly> teraflops: different filename?
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3224 [19:00:53] <MisterGadfly> Nope, .zprofile won't get sourced
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3275 [19:03:32] <teraflops> ~/.xprofile
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3306 [19:04:08] <teraflops> I'm talking about /home/your_user/.xprofile
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3313 [19:04:25] <teraflops> ... and lightdm
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3320 [19:04:37] <MisterGadfly> teraflops: yeah, I'm putting it there, but it won't get sourced
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3347 [19:05:39] <MisterGadfly> teraflops: omg, I fixed it. I typed ".Xprofile" instead of ".xprofile" :D
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3436 [19:12:51] <tipo> does anyone know how many iterations of hashes DM-Crypt uses? is it flexible like veracrypt (1000-65000) or a set default like truecrypt? (1000-2000)
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3670 [19:31:43] <BadApe> so i have the non-free netinstall running, i see the bnx2 firmware in a deb, how can i install it? dpkg from the console doesn't work
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3676 [19:34:40] <dudeman> What doesn't work about it
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3680 [19:37:28] <jelly> BadApe: just run the installer the usual way, and when the base system is installed log in before rebooting, add non-free sources and isntall the package the normal way with apt or aptitude
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3682 [19:37:47] <jelly> !non-free sources
3683 [19:37:48] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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3689 [19:38:06] <BadApe> jelly, just skip over the network config?
3690 [19:38:29] <jelly> BadApe: what? no, you need the network to install stuff
3691 [19:38:36] <BadApe> that is what i thought
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3694 [19:39:11] <BadApe> but if there is no dpkg, how do i install the firmware?
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3696 [19:39:49] <jelly> BadApe: you don't need to install anything to set up the network within the installer
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3700 [19:40:26] <BadApe> well this nonfree install complains about no firmware for bnx2-mips
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3702 [19:40:39] <BadApe> it loads a bnx2 driver
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3705 [19:40:59] <jelly> BadApe: can you bring up the network or not?
3706 [19:41:47] <BadApe> nope
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3709 [19:41:54] <jelly> huh
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3714 [19:43:31] <jelly> BadApe: well, there's supposed to be a menu-driven way to make the firmware available for the driver but I don't remember the specifics
3715 [19:44:44] <BadApe> oh debian, you are as much fun to install as you were in 98
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3718 [19:45:42] <devster31> hi, I'm trying to make a directory owned by someuser:somegroup that behaves in such a way that every new file or directory created inside has rw permission for the group regardless of the user who creates it and is owned by somegroup, how can I do it?
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3726 [19:47:44] <BadApe> thanks jelly
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3744 [19:52:03] <BadApe> i wonder if i should just install using a cd
3745 [19:52:13] <BadApe> then copy over the firware-bnx2
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3784 [20:01:25] <unborn_> it happen to me same.. on live cd I had wifi working fine, however during installation somehow it was refusing network connection (wifi) simply did not accept password.. to avoid this just install system with eth cable in.. than it all work
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3792 [20:03:41] <jelly> but this system requires firmware for the _wired_ interface
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3808 [20:08:24] <unborn_> yeh jelly same as on my old toshiba :)
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3854 [20:26:16] <jelly> BadApe: fwiw firmware-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso first threw some warnings then loaded bnx2 with firmware for me.
3855 [20:26:18] <jelly> BadApe: which image are you using?
3856 [20:26:22] <jelly> it did all that automatically btw, and dmesg shows "direct-loading firmware: bnx2/bnx2-mips-09-6.2.1b.fw" and similar for bnx2-rv2p
3857 [20:26:39] <BadApe> jelly, the same
3858 [20:26:45] <BadApe> the driver loads but doesn't work
3859 [20:26:46] <maziar> please kindly help me , how to force tar use more than 1 CPU ?
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3861 [20:27:23] <littlebear> maziar, tar cf - paths-to-archive | pigz -9 -p 32 > archive.tar.gz
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3865 [20:27:56] <maziar> littlebear what is -p and pigz -9
3866 [20:28:04] <littlebear> maziar, replaced-url
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3874 [20:29:19] <maziar> littlebear sorry i don't understand, would you please help me to understand it ?
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3878 [20:30:30] <ryouma> maziar: tar itself probably does not need more than 1 cpu. | sends it to a compressor
3879 [20:31:04] <greycat> If you give the z or j flag to tar, it'll fork a gzip or bzip2 process, so then you'd have two processes running in parallel.
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3882 [20:31:17] <greycat> A pipeline would also do that, of course.
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3884 [20:31:35] <maziar> ryouma for example for uncompressing a X.tar.bz2, how can i use this ?
3885 [20:31:54] <ryouma> maziar: that's bzip2
3886 [20:32:03] <greycat> Or the j flag to GNU tar.
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3889 [20:32:36] <maziar> ryouma for uncompressing/compressing bz2 how to force it use more CPU ?
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3894 [20:32:47] <greycat> There's nothing you need to do.
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3896 [20:33:24] <greycat> It *can't* use more than one CPU. The algorithm hasn't been implemented that way.
3897 [20:33:53] <maziar> greycat it just use 1 CPU !! i have 48CPU !
3898 [20:34:05] <greycat> Then go do 46 other things.
3899 [20:34:14] <ryouma> maziar: you'd be swimming upstream. you'd have to try parallel --pipe and limit to the block size of bzip2 and even then it probably would not work because of headers.
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3902 [20:35:11] <greycat> You could rewrite bzip2 to use multiple CPUs. Good luck with that.
3903 [20:35:15] <ENOSPC> there is pbzip2 a parallel bzip2 implementation, and pigz for gzip
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3905 [20:35:42] <greycat> Ah, someone already did it? Interesting.
3906 [20:35:54] <ryouma> ENOSPC: neato!
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3908 [20:36:26] <maziar> ryouma what is the best application that use multiple cpu and multi trade
3909 [20:36:34] <ryouma> trade?
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3913 [20:37:16] <maziar> ryouma i mean use multi trade in CPU
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3915 [20:37:37] <ryouma> what is multi trade?
3916 [20:37:50] <ryouma> oh thread
3917 [20:38:20] <greycat> So install pbzip2 and try that, if you wish.
3918 [20:38:32] <ryouma> sounds like you acquired a powerful machine but didn
3919 [20:38:41] <greycat> It's packaged in jessie so I assume someone tested it at least a little bit.
3920 [20:38:47] <kion> When I run 'sudo apt-get update' is there a way to know which packages are outdated without having to neccessarily run 'sudo apt-get upgrade' ?
3921 [20:38:59] <greycat> kion: apt-get -u upgrade
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3924 [20:39:43] <kion> greycat, but will that upgrade the system?
3925 [20:39:48] <greycat> Only if you say yes.
3926 [20:39:50] <kion> greycat, or just give the report
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3928 [20:40:01] <kion> greycat, I see, let me try
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3934 [20:42:03] <jelly> BadApe: dunno, it works here. The silly installer even tested the dns resolver and figured out what the hostname and domain are supposed to be
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3939 [20:43:18] <jelly> BadApe: what kind of hardware is this
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3943 [20:44:19] <jmcnaught> jelly: BadApe seems to have continued this effort on OFTC
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3947 [20:45:48] <jim87> hello! I'm on Debian Jessie and I've got a laptop with a nVidia 650M GTX on it. I want to use X11 with the nVidia card instead of the Intel one because I suppose the HDMI port I want to use is managed by the dedicated card only (xrandr only shows the screen and the VGA port). I've installed the lated nvidia drivers, but when I run nvidia-settings, it says I'm using the NVIDIA X driver
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3950 [20:46:23] <jim87> how can I enable it? During the installation I read in a notice that running nvidia-xconf shouldn't be run anymore with the current release, so I'm confused...
3951 [20:46:31] <jelly> jmcnaught: effort seems to be the right word.
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3953 [20:47:18] <jim87> I can run optirun though...
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3955 [20:47:36] <jmcnaught> jim87: how did you install the nvidia drivers? are you using bumblebee?
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3958 [20:48:19] <jim87> jmcnaught: I installed first the nvidia-driver from jessie non-free, then I tried with the jessie-backports too. In the first case I wasn't able to use optirun, in the 2nd I can
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3960 [20:48:32] <jim87> optirun -> bumblebee, right?
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3962 [20:49:04] <jmcnaught> jim87: yes, i think with optirun/bumblebeen you need to configure X a little differently: replaced-url
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3964 [20:49:18] <nickgaw> Hi, If I wish to compile software for both 64 and 32 bit systems on my 64 bit systems and have build-essential installed on jessie what else should I install?
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3973 [20:50:47] <greycat> replaced-url
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3975 [20:51:16] <jim87> jmcnaught: bbswitch is in the ON state
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3984 [20:53:39] <maziar> ryouma what is the best application that use multiple cpu and multi thread
3985 [20:53:46] <jmcnaught> jim87: sorry i don't have one of those things and generally recommend using the open source nouveau drivers, the best i can do is refer you to that Bumblebee page. See the paragraph starting with "Warning: If you choose to install bumblebee..." for a note about not configuring it the same way as non optimus users
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3987 [20:54:28] <jmcnaught> maziar: what are you trying to do, a burn-in test or something? Or are you just using 48 CPUs for fun?
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3989 [20:54:32] <jim87> jmcnaught: thanks :) I wish I was able to use the nouveau drivers, but they seem not to be able to turn on the HDMI port, so I was just trying :)
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3991 [20:54:51] <jim87> I'll restart now... hope it works!
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4006 [21:03:42] <jelly> keeping the system powered off is best. For your power bill.
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4025 [21:15:32] <jack3> question: working with : VERSION="7 (wheezy)" - should apt-cache search be able to find TCL version 8.6 ?
4026 [21:16:34] <greycat> ,v tcl8.6
4027 [21:16:35] <judd> Package: tcl8.6 on amd64 -- jessie: 8.6.2+dfsg-2; sid: 8.6.5+dfsg-2; stretch: 8.6.5+dfsg-2
4028 [21:16:40] <greycat> Nope. Not in wheezy.
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4030 [21:16:58] <Arcanos> ,v quassel-core
4031 [21:17:00] <judd> Package: quassel-core on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.6.3-2+squeeze2; wheezy: 0.8.0-1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 0.8.0-1+deb7u3; jessie-security: 1:0.10.0-2.3+deb8u1; jessie: 1:0.10.0-2.3+deb8u2; stretch: 1:0.12.3-1; sid: 1:0.12.3-1
4032 [21:17:02] <jack3> didn't know if I needed to add some other repository to search or something.
4033 [21:17:21] <greycat> And I'd be careful with jessie alleged 8.6.2 version, since Tcl 8.6.2 has some major bugs with sockets.
4034 [21:17:23] <jack3> so.. no way to use ver 8.6 with wheezy ?
4035 [21:17:28] <greycat> Compile it yourself.
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4037 [21:17:35] <jack3> ok.. stick with 8.5 then
4038 [21:17:38] <jack3> tnx
4039 [21:17:40] <greycat> Just don't compile it in /usr/local because that leads to unfortunate things.
4040 [21:17:59] <jack3> I'm not a linux whiz.. I might tackle that some other day
4041 [21:18:00] <greycat> Almost any other --prefix is OK.
4042 [21:18:13] <jack3> but thanks for th einfo and saving me the time of looking and looking.
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4048 [21:19:37] <greycat> Compiling tcl with the default --prefix=/usr/local leads specifically to replaced-url
4049 [21:19:38] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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4056 [21:24:24] <claude_> Trying to install kfreebsd-amd64, but it fails , none of the ethernet cards are recognized on install
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4060 [21:27:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> the kfreebsd port has their own channel over on irc.oftc.net ... don't think so many people here run it
4061 [21:27:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, kfreebsd
4062 [21:27:42] <dpkg> Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures for Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns. replaced-url
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4064 [21:28:12] <claude_> what the name of the channel ?
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4066 [21:28:32] <greycat> end of the factoid
4067 [21:28:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> the factoid says it... #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net.
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4073 [21:30:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> now we will find out if my sly way of holding back the channel name but mentioning that it's on oftc will prevent the inevitable "but it's invite-only"
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4080 [21:32:50] <ShrewdSpirit> Hello. Everytime I try to install new packages or do an upgrade with apt, I get this error replaced-url
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4086 [21:34:51] <ShrewdSpirit> Can anyone assist me in solving that error please?
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4088 [21:35:16] <jak2000> hi all
4089 [21:35:25] <jak2000> wich is the official lists for jessie distro?
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4091 [21:35:29] <greycat> ShrewdSpirit: what version of Debian?
4092 [21:35:34] <greycat> ,v fuse
4093 [21:35:35] <judd> Package: fuse on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 2.9.0-2+deb7u2; wheezy: 2.9.0-2+deb7u2; jessie: 2.9.3-15+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.9.3-15+deb8u2; sid: 2.9.5-1; stretch: 2.9.5-1
4094 [21:35:53] <ShrewdSpirit> greycat: Debian 7 x64
4095 [21:36:05] <greycat> You've got a jessie fuse package somehow.
4096 [21:36:20] <ShrewdSpirit> Yeah I have put jessie repos in my sources.list
4097 [21:36:38] <greycat> If you're trying to do a wheezy->jessie update, you need to follow the install guide.
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4102 [21:37:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> jak2000, "lists"?
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4104 [21:37:18] <ShrewdSpirit> I can't update and I didn't wanted to update to jessie. Some packages are not available in wheezy repos so I thought adding jessie repos would solve it
4105 [21:37:25] <greycat> !dontbreakdebian
4106 [21:37:26] <dpkg> it has been said that dont break debian is replaced-url
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4108 [21:37:47] <jak2000> yes
4109 [21:37:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> ShrewdSpirit, the stable distributions don't work that way
4110 [21:37:55] <jak2000> my apt-get update not work
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4113 [21:38:52] <ShrewdSpirit> But how am I supposed to install packages that I need but aren't in the repos? I can build them from source or get binaries from somewhere but updating them would be a pain
4114 [21:39:05] <greycat> That's exactly right.
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4118 [21:39:33] <greycat> If you're running oldstable but you want new versions of things, first you're insane, and second you have to install them manually OUTSIDE of the Debian packaging system.
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4120 [21:40:06] <greycat> One must wonder why you don't upgrade to stable.
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4122 [21:40:23] <ShrewdSpirit> The hosting provider doesn't provide Debian 8 and they won't install it anyway
4123 [21:40:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> ShrewdSpirit, there are backports at backports.debian.org for some packages, or you can backport things yourself... but for some things the distributions are just too far away to backport without major problems
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4126 [21:41:20] <markybob> ShrewdSpirit: they don't have to provide 8. you obviously have jessie repo. that's all you need
4127 [21:41:30] <greycat> I wouldn't count on wheezy-backports being particularly useful.
4128 [21:42:25] <greycat> I upgraded my cheap VPS from the provided squeeze image to wheezy, some time back. I haven't gone to jessie because I'm terrified of how systemd will interact with the 2.6.32-042stab090.5 kernel.
4129 [21:43:12] <ShrewdSpirit> markybob: But my problem is from jessie repos I think (as greycat mentioned)
4130 [21:43:30] <markybob> ShrewdSpirit: because you're mixing shit and not following the install guide like he said
4131 [21:43:34] <greycat> What is preventing *you* (not me) from upgrading to jessie?
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4133 [21:43:46] <markybob> ShrewdSpirit: did you even read the dontbreakdebian factoid he sent you?
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4135 [21:43:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> he cannot upgrade the kernel if this is a vps
4136 [21:44:04] <greycat> He hasn't said that yet.
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4140 [21:44:27] <ShrewdSpirit> greycat: Is updating just like Arch linux (update without reinstall just like Ubuntu)
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4142 [21:44:36] <ShrewdSpirit> markybob: Yes
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4145 [21:45:01] <ShrewdSpirit> Also it's running on a VPS
4146 [21:45:01] <jak2000> CutMeOwnThroat any advice?
4147 [21:45:03] <greycat> Upgrades are "in-place". There will be a reboot into the new kernel if you install a new kernel as part of the upgrade.
4148 [21:45:12] <greycat> What *kind* of VPS? What kernal do you have?
4149 [21:45:17] <greycat> kernel
4150 [21:45:23] <ompaul> get a better vps ...
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4152 [21:45:46] <ompaul> b etter is qualified by a more modern kernel
4153 [21:45:50] <ShrewdSpirit> greycat: 2.6.32-042stab084.14
4154 [21:45:58] <greycat> So it's OpenVZ like mine, then.
4155 [21:45:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> jak2000, show us the error message you get in a pastebin..... and the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
4156 [21:46:06] <ShrewdSpirit> greycat: Yes
4157 [21:46:13] <greycat> I'm still waiting for someone brave enough to upgrade an OpenVZ to jessie to report back and tell us if it works.
4158 [21:46:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> jak2000, paste.debian.net would be a good one
4159 [21:46:54] <ShrewdSpirit> ompaul: We can't. We have tons of stuff running also the hosting provider doesn't provide Debian 8
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4161 [21:47:11] <greycat> Doesn't matter what they provide.
4162 [21:47:19] <ShrewdSpirit> OpenVZs fault?
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4166 [21:48:54] <ShrewdSpirit> So if I just remove jessie repos, would the fuse error be solved? D: I can't install anything with this error
4167 [21:48:56] <greycat> At this point the question is how much of jessie you've already installed.
4168 [21:48:58] <jak2000> ok
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4171 [21:49:14] <ShrewdSpirit> greycat: Just a few development libraries
4172 [21:49:20] <greycat> What does dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 say?
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4174 [21:49:25] <teraflops> greycat: you mean a guest?
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4176 [21:49:49] <ShrewdSpirit> greycat: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
4177 [21:49:52] <ShrewdSpirit> ops
4178 [21:50:08] <greycat> teraflops: In OpenVZ, you run on the host's kernel, and you can't upgrade it. You can't run your own ntp daemon. You can't use swap.
4179 [21:50:09] <ShrewdSpirit> ii libc6:amd64 2.19-18+deb8u4 amd64 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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4181 [21:50:23] <greycat> ShrewdSpirit: Oh, you're fucked. That's jessie's libc.
4182 [21:50:34] <ShrewdSpirit> D':
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4184 [21:50:42] <teraflops> greycat: it works.
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4186 [21:50:51] <greycat> What works? Jessie on that?
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4188 [21:50:53] <ompaul> teraflops: what exactly
4189 [21:50:55] <jak2000> CutMeOwnThroat: replaced-url
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4191 [21:51:33] <ShrewdSpirit> greycat: Is it possible to just revert it back to wheezy? D:
4192 [21:51:50] <ShrewdSpirit> Even 1% chance would be great
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4196 [21:52:51] <teraflops> Distancia upgrade works in opened guests at least the ones I've tested
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4198 [21:52:57] <ShrewdSpirit> We have tons of configurations and stuff running, reinstalling is a pain
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4200 [21:53:06] <ompaul> ShrewdSpirit: those backups look good right now
4201 [21:53:09] <teraflops> Sorry dist upgrade
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4203 [21:53:37] <greycat> teraflops: Are you saying you have upgraded an OpenVZ VPS running on a 2.6.32-*stab* kernel to jessie, with systemd, and that it all works?
4204 [21:53:40] <ompaul> ShrewdSpirit: mixing things like the libc that a kernel wants and newer versions want are not good
4205 [21:53:50] <teraflops> You may end with Jessica but not systemd if the host kernel is old though
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4207 [21:54:00] <greycat> I am hearing "may".
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4209 [21:54:05] <teraflops> Fuckin phone
4210 [21:54:07] <greycat> I don't want to hear "may". I want to hear what you actually did.
4211 [21:54:13] <teraflops> Jessie
4212 [21:54:15] <teraflops> Heh sorry
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4215 [21:54:34] <ompaul> teraflops: what was the workflow?
4216 [21:54:39] <ShrewdSpirit> ompaul: Backups >_<
4217 [21:54:50] <ompaul> ShrewdSpirit: you know the next time :-/
4218 [21:55:04] <ShrewdSpirit> :(
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4220 [21:55:11] <teraflops> greycat: yes I've upgrade one in crissic solutions provider
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4222 [21:55:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> jak2000, how long have you seen that error?
4223 [21:56:12] <Sovereignentity> sprunge is over Quota at present is the another service that you guys use?
4224 [21:56:13] <jak2000> mmm
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4226 [21:56:21] <jak2000> CutMeOwnThroat and i can ping to google.com
4227 [21:56:30] <jak2000> now i see the error
4228 [21:56:36] <jak2000> i am not do an update at last month
4229 [21:57:11] <teraflops> greycat ompaul as I said. First attempt ended in jessie but not systemd because the host kernel. Then months later it went ok
4230 [21:57:35] <greycat> that's scary-sounding
4231 [21:57:39] <ompaul> very
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4236 [21:58:31] <ShrewdSpirit> Wouldn't downgrading libc fix my problem ATM?
4237 [21:58:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> jak2000, this is an official debian server... and the correct one for your country... maybe change the mx to us (ftp.mx.debian.org -> ftp.us.debian.org ) for now... and switch it back tomorrow or so
4238 [21:58:45] <ompaul> ShrewdSpirit: risky that
4239 [21:58:49] <ompaul> !downgrade
4240 [21:58:50] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
4241 [21:58:52] <greycat> Downgrading libc6 on a system where you don't have physical access in case of disaster is like performing brain surgery blindfolded.
4242 [21:58:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> jak2000, it's probably only a temporary problem
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4245 [21:59:22] <teraflops> If the provider offers jessie in your control panel then you can upgrade to jessie
4246 [21:59:38] <ShrewdSpirit> Uhh D:
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4248 [21:59:56] <teraflops> If there is.no jessie available then it will end in drama
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4250 [22:00:22] <teraflops> Likely
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4252 [22:00:37] <ShrewdSpirit> I should contact their support to see if they can provide Debian 8
4253 [22:01:05] <greycat> Providing an image won't be of much help if that image's userspace doesn't function correctly on 2.6.32.
4254 [22:01:10] <Saar> I think you can keep using init scripts on jessie, right?
4255 [22:01:12] <greycat> That's the fundamental issue here.
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4257 [22:01:43] <Saar> upgrading to jessie whilst keeping a 2.6.32 kernel would work if you make sure to keep using init scripts
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4259 [22:01:59] <Sovereignentity> I'm having trouble getting wifi working.Will someone tell me if I edited /etc/modules correctly
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4267 [22:03:20] <Saar> replaced-url
4268 [22:03:39] <teraflops> Hmm I have more openvz vps. I have a wheeze one but they provide jessie. Let me check the kernel
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4270 [22:03:52] <greycat> Saar: any page for *upgrading* from wheezy?
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4272 [22:04:31] <ompaul> Sovereignentity: what version of debian are you talking about what wifi kit etc
4273 [22:04:44] <tipo> how can I benchmark my SATA read/write speed? preferably by console
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4275 [22:05:05] <Saar> greycat: make sure to not install systemd or remove it and install sysvinit-core
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4277 [22:05:09] <ShrewdSpirit> I've done many VPS resintalls and it sucked so bad. Backing up stuff with FTP, restoring, reinstalling, reconfiguring is a hell
4278 [22:05:11] <Saar> is my guess :)
4279 [22:05:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> greycat, we had a factoid on that...
4280 [22:05:14] <ompaul> Sovereignentity: I've just got a call replaced-url
4281 [22:05:23] <Sovereignentity> raspbian lite
4282 [22:05:24] <tipo> nm, got answer
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4284 [22:05:36] <ompaul> !raspbian
4285 [22:05:36] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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4288 [22:06:36] <Saar> one VPS I use still runs 2.6.26 kernel, upgraded it to wheezy.... will stick to that until wheezy will receive no security updates anymore...
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4290 [22:06:49] <greycat> Saar: that's exactly where I am
4291 [22:07:01] <markybob> Saar: that's in like 5 days
4292 [22:07:03] <greycat> except 2.6.32
4293 [22:07:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> greycat, <jessie sysvinit>
4294 [22:07:29] <greycat> markybob: I consider wheezy-lts "close enough"
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4297 [22:08:39] <jak2000> why cant do an apt-get update here my sources ist and error: replaced-url
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4300 [22:09:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> I answered that one!
4301 [22:09:44] <teraflops> Dang I cant from the phone
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4303 [22:09:55] <Saar> replaced-url
4304 [22:09:59] <Saar> there...
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4306 [22:10:22] <Saar> duckduckgo.com ftw
4307 [22:10:29] <jak2000> <CutMeOwnThroat> jak2000, it's probably only a temporary problem ?
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4309 [22:11:12] <qqz> how can I distrust all preconfigured certificates for firefox?
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4311 [22:11:58] <qqz> it was rather easy to do this with arch: remove everything under /etc/ca-certificates and /usr/share/ca-certificates
4312 [22:12:11] <qqz> however under Debian it does not seem to be that easy
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4315 [22:12:46] <qqz> i have removed the corresponding dirs and deinstalled ca-certificates but firefiox still shows a host of undesireable certs
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4317 [22:13:04] <qqz> need to do this since I only wnat to preconfigure certain trusted certificates
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4322 [22:14:12] <Saar> markybob: replaced-url
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4326 [22:15:05] <markybob> Saar: i'm well aware of lts. it's not full security. like greycat says he considers it "good enough"
4327 [22:15:21] <Saar> personally I'd prefer more a 10+ years support line...
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4332 [22:16:26] <andril> hello
4333 [22:16:28] <Saar> I should upgrade one of my home systems from squeeze... :)
4334 [22:16:31] <teraflops> openvz host kernel 2.6.32-042stab108.2
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4336 [22:17:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> Saar, so how well are your DOS 3.1 boxes running...
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4338 [22:17:20] <teraflops> Saar: this one is upgradable to jessie, your kernel looks old heh
4339 [22:17:29] <bezaban> qqz: separate mozilla certificate store iirc. try about:preferences#advanced and view certificates under certificates
4340 [22:17:32] <Saar> CutMeOwnThroat: that's a somewhat flawed comparison ;-)
4341 [22:18:28] <Saar> I kept it on squeeze to be able to easily test a gnome2 applet I had developed... but it needs porting to mate
4342 [22:19:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> Saar, not at all... it's an exaggeration 10->20 years ... to demonstrate that endlessly long support lines aren't feasible
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4344 [22:19:29] <teraflops> gtk3 major rewrite in upstream, people still develop gtk2?
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4347 [22:19:34] <bezaban> NSS
4348 [22:19:40] <Saar> annoyingly the no backwards compatibility to bonobo thingy in gnome2
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4350 [22:20:04] <jim> BadApe, oh, you're here... any success?
4351 [22:20:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> Saar, but you can keep backporting security fixes for potato and giving them to the deserving public... it's open source after all
4352 [22:20:13] <Saar> CutMeOwnThroat: I know... but 10 years aint so bad
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4354 [22:20:32] <Saar> yeah been doing that
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4360 [22:21:19] <tako> i have ssh commands that working for copy files from another server
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4362 [22:21:46] <tako> if i close my ssh session
4363 [22:21:51] <oznt> hi everyone, how does debian compile packages for all amd64 compatible CPUs? can someone post here the CFLAGS a package build is using?
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4366 [22:22:04] <Saar> anyways, upgrade from one stable release to another has always been easy...
4367 [22:22:04] <tako> command still will be working ?
4368 [22:22:10] <abrotman> tako: should have used screen before you started
4369 [22:22:13] <teraflops> tako: nope
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4371 [22:22:22] <tako> no ?
4372 [22:22:35] <ShrewdSpirit> greycat: I guess I have to reinstall the whole thing :( Do you recommend installing jessie? This hosting provider is using OpenVZ
4373 [22:22:45] <teraflops> tako: nope, unless you use screen or tmux ... multiplexer
4374 [22:22:49] <tako> so i'm going to close my ssh session and my command still will work
4375 [22:22:57] <greycat> You can finish upgrading to jessie, if you do the pinning thing to prevent systemd being used.
4376 [22:23:00] <Saar> I doubt it'll be a pain to avoid systemd move if you keep in mind what to do replaced-url
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4378 [22:23:06] <greycat> Or at least the docs say you can. I haven't tried it.
4379 [22:23:13] <teraflops> greycat: yeah
4380 [22:23:25] <ShrewdSpirit> greycat: What's wrong with systemd? I'm so happy with it on Arch
4381 [22:23:37] <greycat> ShrewdSpirit: it doesn't work on a 2.6.32 kernel
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4383 [22:23:56] <tako> teraflops, its bad
4384 [22:24:01] <Saar> someone said they were worried systemd wouldn't work well with the 2.32 kernel their VPS provider provides
4385 [22:24:09] <Saar> so, stick with init
4386 [22:24:12] <teraflops> tako: nope, use tmux or screen
4387 [22:24:25] <Saar> 2.6.32 kernel
4388 [22:24:26] <greycat> Saar: the install guide seems to confirm our guess
4389 [22:24:32] <jim> oznt, they use autobuilders... for each package, they put a whle debian base in a chroot, then they chroot into it, and install the build deps of the package, then actually build the package, ahd place it in the archive
4390 [22:24:45] <teraflops> ShrewdSpirit: nothing I suppose but the host kernel does not support there
4391 [22:24:48] <tako> okat thanks
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4394 [22:25:33] <Saar> 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 21:39:38 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux ;-)
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4396 [22:25:40] <teraflops> Saar: 2.6.32-042stab108.2 -> here works
4397 [22:25:49] <ShrewdSpirit> What does host have to do with my VPS? Isn't my VPS running in a virtualized environment?
4398 [22:25:55] <unborn_> tako: also you can use nohup yourcommand
4399 [22:25:59] <Saar> at least it's stable, hah ;-)
4400 [22:26:06] <teraflops> heh
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4402 [22:26:13] <greycat> ShrewdSpirit: there's different kinds of virtualization. The kind we're using shares the host's kernel.
4403 [22:26:25] <abrotman> unborn_: before starting .. not after
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4405 [22:26:41] <ShrewdSpirit> greycat: So it's something like chroot?
4406 [22:26:42] <teraflops> ShrewdSpirit: e.g kvm vs openvz
4407 [22:26:51] <qqz> bezaban: yese; that is what I have done; I have two times tediuosly deleted all CAs but after a restart of firefox they just reappeared
4408 [22:26:52] <abrotman> not sure if you could ctrl-z, then nohup the fg
4409 [22:26:56] <greycat> ShrewdSpirit: It's more than a chroot, but less than a full virtual machine.
4410 [22:27:05] <oznt> jim, that is not what I meant to find out. I wonder how do you a compile a software with gcc that runs on intel i5 and i7 and AMD cpus, there must be a lowest common set of compiler flags that debian uses, I just don't find it on my machine
4411 [22:27:06] <qqz> bezaban: yese; that is what I have done; I have two times tediuosly deleted all CAs but after a restart of firefox they just reappeared
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4413 [22:27:06] <infohackz> i already had it that way, qqz.
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4415 [22:27:35] <ShrewdSpirit> Then I should just reinstall wheezy as jessie might not be compatible with host kernel D:
4416 [22:27:45] <Saar> I wonder when my VPS provider decides to migrate the VPS or upgrade their host server
4417 [22:27:46] <unborn_> abrotman: sure I know.. he did not say if he started the command already
4418 [22:27:50] <qqz> infohackz: how? hwat did you do?
4419 [22:27:50] <infohackz> qqz: no idea
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4421 [22:28:06] <ShrewdSpirit> Thank you guys so much for the help
4422 [22:28:08] <qqz> ?:infohaackz
4423 [22:28:18] <unborn_> abrotman: but sure.. the command should be run like I typed.. otherwise it will not work
4424 [22:29:02] <qqz> bezaban: any other idea; the certificates need to reside somewhere in a file!
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4426 [22:30:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> jak2000, no... use ftp.us.debian.org instead of ftp.mx.debian.org for now, go back to the mx one when the problem is gone (tomorrow?)
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4429 [22:31:57] <TomTomTosch> or use httpredir.debian.org, which should pick a working one.
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4431 [22:32:22] <abrotman> unborn_: if he hadn't started already, he'd be better off using screen
4432 [22:32:32] <jim> oznt, that is an interesting question... when I think in those terms, I can't figure how the buildds get their flags... to start with, there are different buildds per arch (i386, amd64, alpha, mips, ppc, etc), but when they get the source, they get the same source package... so the flags must come from a different source
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4435 [22:33:16] <greycat> !httpredir issues
4436 [22:33:16] <dpkg> The <httpredir> service selects bad mirrors for some people. If you're one of them, try explicitly choosing a mirror: "deb replaced-url
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4439 [22:33:37] <teraflops> openvz is cheap as hell and it has it uses. I run a full featured mail server in a 128M ram/128 swap vps <3 and I have free ram there
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4441 [22:34:22] <jim> oznt, you can verify this by looking in the archive at a specific package... you can see the debs for the various arches... but only one source package (which generally come as 3 files)
4442 [22:34:29] <greycat> I run an nginx web server + MoinMoin wiki on my OpenVZ VPS. 384 MB of RAM. Used = 163, free = 221.
4443 [22:34:46] <teraflops> heh
4444 [22:34:50] <ompaul> greycat: that is impressive
4445 [22:34:59] <greycat> Moving from apache to nginx was the best thing I ever did on that host.
4446 [22:35:04] <teraflops> amen
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4448 [22:35:45] <markybob> greycat: what was the memory difference?
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4451 [22:36:36] <greycat> To be fair to apache, I don't really know how to constrain it properly. But... it kept running out of RAM and bad things happened.
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4454 [22:37:01] <teraflops> I used to run mediagoblin in a 4 vcores opnvz host. great performance transcoding was a dream there, not here in a odrid c1 :S
4455 [22:37:07] <greycat> I basically rebuilt the entire service chain from the ground up.
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4469 [22:42:51] <prototype-0> Anyone know Guacamole
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4476 [22:45:37] <jmcnaught> prototype-0: mush up the avocado and tomato, add lime juice and diced red onion
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4481 [22:47:36] <jercos> prototype-0: replaced-url
4482 [22:47:40] <jercos> 'smore respectful.
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4484 [22:48:12] <jim> do source packages not have diffs anymore?
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4491 [22:51:10] <jak2000> <CutMeOwnThroat> continue my problem
4492 [22:51:15] <jak2000> not work the apt-get update
4493 [22:51:29] <greycat> Did you try a different mirror?
4494 [22:51:36] <jak2000> greycat wichmirror: replaced-url
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4497 [22:52:15] <greycat> If the .mx mirror fails, try the .us one
4498 [22:52:29] <greycat> Someone said it's bad, but I've never had an issue with it.
4499 [22:52:32] <jak2000> ok
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4501 [22:53:27] <jak2000> greycat same
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4506 [22:54:50] <greycat> ftp.us.debian.org is a round robin of 4 hosts, so try again, or try a different mirror. That's all we've got.
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4510 [22:56:06] <greycat> Oh hey look, another google-chrome update. :-/
4511 [22:56:07] <ompaul> try .ie or .nl two very very very connected nations for that
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4537 [23:03:13] <teraflops> .be is fast as hell .fi too at least from here (spain)
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4559 [23:15:55] <altab> hi, my network card isn't detected by Debian / my PC reference : MSI GP62 6QE-408XFR, can you help me please?
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4567 [23:17:44] <jmcnaught> altab: are you still in the Debian Installer, or have you finished installing and booted into your system?
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4573 [23:18:52] <altab> jmcnaught, I have finished and booted into Debian
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4576 [23:21:01] <jmcnaught> altab: can you please run "lspci -nn | grep -i net" and tell us the PCI ID of your network card? It will look like [1234:abcd]
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4580 [23:22:04] <altab> jmcnaught, [1969:e0a1] I think
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4582 [23:22:20] <jak2013> done firewall probem
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4584 [23:22:49] <jmcnaught> judd: pciid 1969:e0a1
4585 [23:22:50] <judd> [1969:e0a1] is 'Killer E2400 Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
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4587 [23:23:53] <jmcnaught> altab: ^^^ it looks like the card might not be supported by Debian, but I have seen judd be incorrect before. Has the network card worked on other linux distros? If you run "dmesg | grep -i firmware" do you get messages about missing firmwares?
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4589 [23:24:08] <altab> jmcnaught, it only worked on windows
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4591 [23:24:14] <altab> I run your command
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4596 [23:25:24] <altab> jmcnaught, I have some failed to load
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4599 [23:27:30] <jmcnaught> altab: are any of them related to your network card? seems the module for this card is called "alx"
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4601 [23:27:50] <jmcnaught> altab: "lsmod | grep alx" show anything?
4602 [23:27:51] <altab> jmcnaught, no alx and no word related to network card
4603 [23:27:53] <altab> I try
4604 [23:28:09] <altab> nothing with the last command
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4610 [23:30:07] <altab> jmcnaught, I found this : replaced-url
4611 [23:30:19] <altab> but idk how to install packages without internet
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4615 [23:31:41] <jmcnaught> altab: personally i think downloading a compiling a customer kernel module is a method of last resort on Debian. Also it seems the module might actually already be there. when i run "find /lib/modules -name *alx*" it does find an alx.ko module on my system
4616 [23:32:11] <jmcnaught> altab: try "modprobe alx" and then check the output of just "dmesg", see what the last few lines tell you
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4619 [23:32:47] <altab> modprobe alx = no output
4620 [23:33:25] <altab> dmesg output is too big
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4622 [23:34:15] <jmcnaught> altab: it's chronological, so the most relevant stuff will be at the bottom
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4624 [23:34:41] <jmcnaught> altab: specicially you're looking for clues about what happens after you load the alx module
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4628 [23:35:49] <jmcnaught> altab: apparently there's even a wiki page about this driver: replaced-url
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4630 [23:36:47] <jmcnaught> altab: looks like Killer E2200 cards are supported in jessie, not sure about E2400 cards
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4633 [23:38:21] <altab> so if I have a E2400 I need to wait or compile a customer kernel?
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4635 [23:39:36] <jmcnaught> altab: probably don't need to compile a whole custom kernel, you just need a module. you could also do some research to see if support for this card has been added to a newer kernel version, and then if so install a kernel from jessie-backports
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4639 [23:40:10] <jmcnaught> altab: do you have another Debian computer you can use to download packages?
4640 [23:40:13] <jmcnaught> !apt-zip
4641 [23:40:13] <dpkg> Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. replaced-url
4642 [23:40:42] <jmcnaught> !bdo kernel
4643 [23:40:42] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
4644 [23:40:52] <altab> it's too much complex for me
4645 [23:40:57] <altab> I think I'll install another OS
4646 [23:41:35] <jmcnaught> altab: purchasing a new ethernet card that is supported is probably the least headachey option if you want to use Debian
4647 [23:41:50] <altab> on a laptop
4648 [23:42:00] <altab> I think we can't replace a network card
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4650 [23:42:14] <jmcnaught> altab: does the wifi work and is that an option?
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4653 [23:42:35] <jmcnaught> !next
4654 [23:42:36] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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4656 [23:42:46] <altab> jmcnaught, no wifi doesn't work
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4658 [23:43:07] <altab> I only have Internet on the PC thanks to the network USB sharing with my mobile phone
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4660 [23:43:19] <lmw> Does Ubuntu have bloatware?
4661 [23:43:20] <jmcnaught> altab: your wifi card might be better supported by Jessie if you have an wifi AP you can connect to
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4663 [23:43:31] <jmcnaught> lmw: we don't know, ask in #ubuntu
4664 [23:43:44] <altab> jmcnaught, ok but wifi card isn't recognized I think
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4666 [23:44:26] <jmcnaught> altab: get the PCI ID for the wifi card like you did earlier with "lspci -nn | grep -i net", you might just need a firmware
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4668 [23:45:12] <altab> I have only Network controller : intel corporation 8086:3165
4669 [23:45:28] <altab> and the ethernet controller 1969:e0a1 (the previous)
4670 [23:45:29] <jmcnaught> ,pciid 8086:3165
4671 [23:45:30] <judd> [8086:3165] is 'Wireless 3165' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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4676 [23:46:47] <jmcnaught> altab: you have network on the computer right now through the phone tether you said? you need the package firmware-iwlwifi from non-free
4677 [23:47:05] <altab> ok so apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi?
4678 [23:47:21] <jmcnaught> altab: yup, and if you don't have non-free enabled it's easy to do
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4680 [23:48:00] <altab> jmcnaught, package not foudn
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4683 [23:49:06] <jmcnaught> altab: you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root, and add "non-free" to the end of each line, then run "apt-get update"
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4689 [23:50:13] <altab> jmcnaught, still not found
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4692 [23:50:43] <altab> I added non-free after each lane (after main contrib)
4693 [23:51:06] <jmcnaught> altab: and you run apt-get update? did it report any errors?
4694 [23:51:14] <altab> no error
4695 [23:51:34] <altab> it says reached jessie/updates/non-free sources etc
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4697 [23:51:42] <jmcnaught> altab: can you put your sources.list on replaced-url
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4700 [23:52:13] <kurt11> test
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4702 [23:52:37] <altab> replaced-url
4703 [23:52:50] <altab> replaced-url
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4705 [23:53:23] <jose__> Hi, is there any kind of conditional that can be used in dpkg control files, I try to use the same control file in several distributions , but I need to skip some packages in a given distribution
4706 [23:53:51] <markybob> jose__: you don't have the main repo. just updates.
4707 [23:53:59] <markybob> !tell jose about sources.list
4708 [23:54:05] <markybob> damnit
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4710 [23:54:07] <kurt11> I have new Debian 8.0 VM. Installed postgres (via apt). I can see it listening on port 5432 with netstat. But from outside the VM, I can ping the server, but can't open a TCP connection to that port. Any ideas why?
4711 [23:54:10] <markybob> !tell jose__ about sources.list
4712 [23:54:21] <jmcnaught> altab: hmmm.. that's not quite correct. make it look like replaced-url
4713 [23:54:44] <markybob> god fuck i can't get any nick right tonight
4714 [23:55:41] <kurt11> Sorry, I'm running Debian 8.4, Jessie, not 8.0
4715 [23:56:15] <jmcnaught> kurt11: you probably need to adjust the access controls in pg_hba.conf
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4717 [23:56:38] <jose__> @markybob My question is not related to sourceLists but to package building, I have a control file to build my package but I don't want to build all the packages defined in the control file
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4719 [23:57:07] <markybob> jose__: i know. i meant to respond to altab and fucked up because i'm retarded sometimes
4720 [23:57:13] <altab> jmcnaught, firmware is installed, I need to reboot?
4721 [23:57:25] <kurt11> jmcnaught: thank yoyu
4722 [23:57:54] <jmcnaught> altab: rebooting is easiest and confirms that it will work after a reboot, unloading the modules with modprobe -r and then reloading them is also an option
4723 [23:58:15] <altab> I reboot, it's fast with SSD
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4726 [23:58:36] <jmcnaught> kurt11: you might also want to look at the files in /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common for Debian specific stuff if you're not already familiar, especially the README.Debian file
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