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6 [00:00:43] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: so why are you telling about it here. You're going to get technical suggestions.
7 [00:01:08] <Lady_Aleena> I can't remember if there is a file compare program out there so I can see the differences between my main drive and backup drive.
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9 [00:01:31] <jelly> it's called rsync -n :-)
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11 [00:02:03] <jelly> (faster than diff -ru)
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13 [00:02:06] <unborn> exactly teraflops you are totally right.. my home server is acer revo r3600 some 7 years old dual core animal.. noiseless and economic.. plugged in few 2 tb 2.5' disks, naked debian with virtualmin and have hosting films, movies, transmission and even my git repos from it..
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15 [00:02:33] <unborn> totally awesome.. box with all kind of those things would cost - f@k knows how much
16 [00:02:35] <jelly> #debian-offtopic is over there if you don't want technical suggestions ->
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19 [00:03:18] <Lady_Aleena> @#$% why aren't the options in the rsync man in alphabetical order?
20 [00:03:36] <unborn> Lady_Aleena: meh use some gui
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23 [00:03:55] <unborn> if you cannot get this into nut there are some options :)
24 [00:03:59] <teraflops> Lady_Aleena: if you find rsync overkill you can do e.g sshfs
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28 [00:04:47] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: try to keep your questions in here to specific issues and avoid rhetorical stuff
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30 [00:05:15] <Lady_Aleena> So I can do rsync -ni <src> <dest> to get a report of changes which will be made?
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32 [00:05:23] <unborn> Lady_Aleena: grsync I think it was called.. have look, you can create file with with.. and then use guts of that file for terminal (those are basically commands)
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38 [00:06:18] <jelly> Shentino: you're reconnecting way too often
39 [00:06:26] <unborn> Lady_Aleena: replaced-url
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46 [00:10:01] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: that's the general idea, but a useful rsync command line usually has more options (at the very least, some recursion and timestamp/permission/ownership saving if it's to be useful for backup purposes)
47 [00:10:15] * jelly never used -i
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52 [00:11:54] <Lady_Aleena> Hold on, I just saw something wonky.
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56 [00:12:27] <Sarckz> I wonder, what would happen if I install NetBSD on my desktop and try to use HDMI audio trough my Nvidia card? (GT 240)
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58 [00:12:50] <Sarckz> oops wrong channel
59 [00:12:52] <Sarckz> sorry
60 [00:12:59] <Lady_Aleena> WTH is /.thumbnails?
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62 [00:13:40] <unborn> Lady_Aleena: I think you can use google for that
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64 [00:14:00] <Lady_Aleena> unborn, sorry thinking out loud.
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66 [00:14:25] <unborn> Lady_Aleena: ok
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85 [00:18:35] <buddybenj> How can I undo a quick disk format?
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87 [00:20:20] <markybob> yeah. use backups.
88 [00:21:15] <buddybenj> I was in the process of doing a backup and I think the disk program glitched.
89 [00:21:24] <teraflops> what's a quick disc format?
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92 [00:21:27] <buddybenj> It said that the files could be recovered.
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94 [00:21:42] <markybob> sounds like ntfs/vfat magic. only seen that on windows
95 [00:21:53] <buddybenj> Its a disk format where the files can be recovered afterward (the disk is not overwritten with 0s).)
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98 [00:23:20] <buddybenj> I didn't even enter my root password and the disk program included with Debian did a quick format on the entire disk. That is very worrying from a digital preservation and security standpoint.
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100 [00:23:50] <buddybenj> It says that quick disk format can be undone, but I don't know how.
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102 [00:24:46] <teraflops> buddybenj: sorry I'm lost, can you provide some context?
103 [00:24:53] <buddybenj> I have years of work, so I decided to do a backup, and as I was getting ready to do the backup this happened.
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105 [00:25:09] <teraflops> disk program, quick backup ...
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108 [00:25:41] <buddybenj> The disk program is part of GNOME, so the default Debian configuration should have it.
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112 [00:27:32] <buddybenj> Why is it possible for a hard drive to be formatted without the root password?
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116 [00:27:52] <unborn> ?
117 [00:27:54] <buddybenj> And how do I undo this? It says that a quick format can be undone.
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123 [00:28:20] <markybob> buddybenj: because it's an installer...
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125 [00:28:27] <teraflops> buddybenj: sorry you formatted the disk you wanted to backup?
126 [00:28:36] <jmcnaught> buddybenj: you should take an image of the drive with a tool like gddrescue (not just dd), and then work on recovering the files from the image
127 [00:28:55] <buddybenj> markybob: No it's not. I think we are on a different page.
128 [00:29:29] <buddybenj> teraflops: Yes. I never told it to format and I never entered my root password.
129 [00:29:29] <teraflops> buddybenj: please provide context as in: I run this program this way and I got this...
130 [00:29:52] <buddybenj> jmcnaught: Thanks. I'll look into that.
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132 [00:30:39] <buddybenj> teraflops: I run Debian without my root password and my entire drive gets formatted.
133 [00:30:50] <teraflops> buddybenj: I doubt it
134 [00:31:18] <jmcnaught> buddybenj: i just tried formatting a flash drive with gnome disks, and it didn't require root password, but it also asked in a dialogue with big letters "Are you sure you want to format the disk?" and explained that all data will be lost (but may still be recoverable).
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137 [00:31:59] <jmcnaught> buddybenj: did you click the format button on that dialogue thinking "heh, it will ask me for root password so this should be safe"?
138 [00:32:13] <jelly> buddybenj: if you have "years of work" as you say, buy a new disk, make a bit-exact image of the affected disk, then get the original or the copy to a professional data recovery service
139 [00:32:42] <buddybenj> jmcnaught: I never clicked a format button (at least I never purposefully hit a format button), and I never accepted any dialog.
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142 [00:33:39] <buddybenj> jelly: Thanks, should I use something like ddrescue like jmcnaught said?
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147 [00:34:30] <jelly> yes. However unless you're careful you can wipe the wrong disk with that tool, too.
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156 [00:37:20] <buddybenj> jmcnaught: How do I recover the files from the image once I've made a backup?
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158 [00:38:19] <dsockwell> it depends on what success rate you want and what filesystem it was
159 [00:38:25] <jmcnaught> buddybenj: if it's years of work you should bring it to professionals. if it's your dank meme collection, there are tools like photorec and testdisk in debian
160 [00:38:30] <dsockwell> you should consider taking it to a professional data recovery company
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163 [00:39:21] <buddybenj> All right, thanks.
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165 [00:40:03] <buddybenj> Can someone who knows more about ddrescue tell me what command I am supposed to run? There are so many options and I don't want to mess anything up at this point.
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171 [00:41:26] <dsockwell> Also, and you won't like this, from a liability standpoint, it might not be smart for us to give you personalized advice here.
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173 [00:41:37] <jelly> NO WARRANTY
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175 [00:42:03] <buddybenj> I'm not going to sue someone who I met in an IRC chatroom.
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177 [00:42:44] <dsockwell> Are you sure there's no other copy of this data? you said the drive was a backup, is there an original somewhere?
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181 [00:43:59] <buddybenj> No, this is the original. I was going to make a backup of the drive, and as I was getting ready for the backup this happened.
182 [00:44:14] <jelly> is it an external drive?
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184 [00:44:31] <buddybenj> It is internal, but it isn't the drive that my OS is on.
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187 [00:45:17] <jelly> no GUI tool that I know of would have let you overwrite an internal device without warning
188 [00:45:34] <jelly> buddybenj: pastebin the output of "lsblk"
189 [00:45:43] <jelly> !paste
190 [00:45:43] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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194 [00:46:23] <buddybenj> That's why I'm pissed off, because I never purposefully told it to format and I definitely didn't enter my root password.
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196 [00:47:17] <buddybenj> replaced-url
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202 [00:48:34] <awwal> A bit lost here with apt man/docs. Any equivalent of aptitude-why on apt?
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205 [00:49:07] <jelly> buddybenj: so you have a sda without any partition, and a sdb that looks like it has your linux installation and a different OS
206 [00:49:16] <jelly> awwal: there isn't
207 [00:49:18] <buddybenj> correct.
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210 [00:50:13] <buddybenj> sda is the drive that got screwed
211 [00:50:17] <jelly> buddybenj: acquire and connect a third disk equal to or larger size than the 1TB sda, then carefully copy sda to it
212 [00:50:54] <buddybenj> what command do I use?
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215 [00:51:49] <jelly> buddybenj: once you've connected a third disk you'll be able to run something like "ddrescue /dev/sda /dev/sdX"
216 [00:52:12] <buddybenj> I don't have a 1 TB on me, but I can buy one. The drive I was going to use to backup the HDD is only 500 GB because I was only using about 400 GB of the drive.
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221 [00:52:32] <buddybenj> jelly: All right thanks for the help. I'll try to obtain a third drive and do that.
222 [00:52:42] <jelly> buddybenj: if you power off or reboot the machine in the meantime, be careful because order of sd devices can change between reboots
223 [00:52:52] <awwal> jelly, ok, "check" my be the closest? I just want apt tell me why X pkg is being to be removed. I can check that via aptitude but wondering how to aproch similar stuff (why/why-not with apt
224 [00:53:40] <jelly> buddybenj: contents of /dev/disk/by-id/ will help you identify each device by model and serial number
225 [00:54:09] <jelly> awwal: that's pretty much the opposite of "aptitude why ..."
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227 [00:55:44] <jelly> buddybenj: so you may as well pastebin ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/
228 [00:55:45] <awwal> apt-get check never tells nothing anyway xD, even if I know that there are some broken deps...
229 [00:56:01] <jelly> awwal: which debian release are you talking about?
230 [00:56:48] <buddybenj> replaced-url
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236 [00:58:30] <jelly> buddybenj: right. so /dev/disk/by-id/*WDC_WD10EZEX-00BN5A0_WD-WCC3F3646389 will always point to the problematic disk, even if you plug it into a usb case or if you put in a third internal disk and it somehow becomes sda instead
237 [00:58:46] <awwal> jelly, I'm on Jessie and Stretch (both running in 2 machines). sometimes I ask just for info when i think it's a general question, not a branch specific
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240 [00:59:14] <jelly> awwal: so what's wrong with using aptitude in general?
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242 [01:00:03] <awwal> jelly, nothing wrong. trying to have a knowledge about both apt & aptitude
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244 [01:00:05] <awwal> :)
245 [01:00:31] <markybob> you keep saying apt and then bring up apt-get. it's really confusing
246 [01:00:59] <jelly> apt-get is part of apt package, how is it confusing
247 [01:01:12] <markybob> apt and apt-get are different commands is all
248 [01:01:12] <apt> markybob: okay
249 [01:01:14] <dsockwell> apt is apt-get and apt-cache, mostly
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251 [01:01:25] <jelly> apt: forget and apt-get
252 [01:01:26] <apt> i forgot and apt-get, jelly
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255 [01:02:16] <jelly> markybob: and the "apt" command is rather new and noone is really using it every day
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257 [01:02:49] <awwal> excuses guys, yeah I was reffering to apt-get
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260 [01:03:15] <awwal> yes sir jelly
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285 [01:09:31] <awwal> tried to use apt (yes apt, not apt-get) and it usually fails refreshing the cache and stops the installs suddenly (jessie); i switch to aptitude/apt-get and they do the job. no enough knowledge here for check why that happens
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315 [01:23:10] <okee> How do I fix an error message that says "driver pcspkr is already registered, aborting". This error message comes up during the boot, and shows up when running dmsg
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318 [01:23:30] <okee> pcspkr isn't showing up when running whereis
319 [01:23:35] <cafuego> okee: you can just ignore it
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323 [01:23:57] <cafuego> okee: It's a kenrel module, it's probably listed in /etc/modules for manual loading
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325 [01:24:00] <okee> cafuego> I no longer have an audo for my voip, so ignoring it isn't an option.
326 [01:24:08] <okee> cafuego> thanks.
327 [01:24:15] <cafuego> okee: The problem is not that message
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331 [01:24:39] <okee> cafuego> What is the problem? How do I fix the non-operating speaker phone?
332 [01:25:04] <cafuego> okee: the pcsprk is the driver for the thing that does the startup beep; i guarantee you you're not using it :-)
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335 [01:25:30] <cafuego> okee: If you don't get audio, you need to look at your sound card or audio subsystem instead.
336 [01:25:38] <okee> cafuego> So how do I fix the inoperational speaker phone?
337 [01:25:54] <okee> This problem occurred after upgrading from Debian Wheezy to Debian Jessie. I had no problem before that.
338 [01:27:24] <okee> cafuego> Also, I get an error n bootup indicating that the pcspeaker is already registered? How do I fix that error?
339 [01:27:51] <okee> cafuego> How do I look at the audio subsystem?
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341 [01:28:03] <cafuego> okee: You don't need to "fix" that error, it is not related to your voip phone problem and you can ignore it.
342 [01:28:18] <okee> cafuego> How do I fix the problem with the audio subsystem?
343 [01:28:34] <cafuego> You look at your sound card and mixer settings.
344 [01:28:45] <cafuego> How you do that depends on what you're using.
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346 [01:28:55] <cafuego> console/kde/gnome/whatevs
347 [01:29:08] <cafuego> I don't use desktop debian, so I don't know.
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357 [01:30:26] <markybob> i'm not good with desktops either but i'd give pavucontrol a shot
358 [01:30:35] <mtn> okee: install and use pavucontrol to handle your sound settings
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361 [01:31:10] <okee> mtn> Pavucontrol is already installed, but don't recall how to initiate it.
362 [01:31:21] <mtn> okee: it should be in your menu
363 [01:31:24] <markybob> okee: that's the exact command. run it
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366 [01:31:41] <okee> mtn> I just typed it at the command line and it came up, but I don't see it in the menu.
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368 [01:32:10] <mtn> okee: when you use it, Check sound levels and devices in Output and Configuration tabs.
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378 [01:37:02] <Sander^home> Hi
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381 [01:37:35] <Sander^home> Is there a command to upgrade several releases at the same time?
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386 [01:38:23] <markybob> Sander^home: no. that would massive break things. you do one, reboot, do another. if you mean debian releases that's how it's done.
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389 [01:38:54] <Sander^home> markybob: ok. What about android releases?
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393 [01:39:07] <Sander^home> Isnt those using dpkg?
394 [01:39:09] <markybob> Sander^home: i have no idea. this is #debian
395 [01:39:34] <markybob> android does not use dpkg
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397 [01:40:04] <abrotman> actually ..
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399 [01:40:48] <abrotman> Sander^home: but yes, it's got nothing to do with #debian
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403 [01:41:46] <Sander^home> Sometimes I wish android was using dpkg
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406 [01:41:58] <abrotman> doesnt' make it so
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408 [01:43:05] <dabs> hi
409 [01:43:25] * cafuego harasses abrotman's android
410 [01:43:25] <dabs> i want to build debian for a target platform, right now its x86 but it might change, where do i start?
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412 [01:44:00] <Brigo_> dabs, the kernel, i guess :)
413 [01:44:05] <bzed> dabs: which platform?
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415 [01:44:19] <cafuego> dabs: You want to build ALL of debian?
416 [01:44:23] <dabs> x86 or armv7 .. platform/target
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418 [01:44:38] <bzed> dabs: arm is supported by debian.
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421 [01:44:44] <dabs> i want to build something i can copy to the filesystem
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423 [01:44:45] <bzed> dabs: pretty much all variants
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425 [01:44:59] <dabs> sort of like how openwrt produces a flashable/writeable image
426 [01:44:59] <zophy> is a raccoon gonna be the debian mascot ?
427 [01:45:13] <dabs> does that sort of help.. like the thing i am trying to do
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429 [01:45:38] <zophy> est egge :: --> replaced-url
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440 [01:46:20] <dabs> would the best thing to do is install the OS, then do dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/shm/shippable-debian-install.img ?
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447 [01:46:57] <dabs> perhaps i should look into buildroot?
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450 [01:47:07] <bzed> dabs: dd makes no sense, in no case
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452 [01:47:14] <abrotman> :(
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456 [01:47:35] <dabs> no ? oh
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458 [01:47:43] <bzed> dabs: really depends on your target platform and the ressources you have there
459 [01:47:50] <brigo> zophy, check the date :)
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462 [01:48:28] <dabs> i have a msata SSD, with 4gb ram, it has 2 radios (for ath9k and ath10k)
463 [01:48:47] <zophy> brigo, darn, i like that raccoon :))
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467 [01:50:40] <brigo> zophy, a bit sad :)
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470 [01:51:51] <bzed> dabs: its really hard to give you some useful advice as there are like 10k of ways to handle something liek that and it really depend son your needs and goals and what your hardware needs for booting...
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474 [01:53:58] <dabs> aah ok
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476 [01:55:39] <dabs> i dont know jack about the install process in debian
477 [01:56:01] <dabs> i mostly know openwrt/openembedded
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480 [01:56:39] <markybob> so why are you talking about compiling it? you know you can install debian without compiling, right?
481 [01:56:59] <markybob> i'm lost as to what's actually going on here
482 [01:57:11] <dabs> Aahh
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485 [01:57:50] <dabs> makes sense now
486 [01:58:28] <dabs> i usually write mods to kernel or to packages, then flash the result after compiling..
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489 [01:58:38] <markybob> dabs: replaced-url
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491 [01:58:53] <markybob> dabs: just search how to install debian
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495 [01:59:40] <dabs> each device will not install linux
496 [02:00:05] <markybob> dabs: there must be a language problem. what's your native tongue?
497 [02:00:06] <dabs> it will prob just get the final image, eg, dd if=/dev/sda
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500 [02:00:30] <dabs> eng
501 [02:00:43] <dabs> its because im so hood, sorry
502 [02:00:45] <markybob> wow. then i'm out.
503 [02:01:01] <dabs> k, thanks for letting me know debian doesnt compile
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507 [02:02:10] <Asad3ainJalout> May I ask questions about Debian Sid and wine here or does this channel stick with stable versions of debian?
508 [02:02:35] <markybob> Asad3ainJalout: stable. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is for that per /topic
509 [02:02:54] <okee> got the speaker fixed, and it was easy. Hoorah.......
510 [02:03:04] <Asad3ainJalout> markybob: ahh my bad, have a good day
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581 [02:45:20] <awwal> I have a problem in my Sid machine that I wasn't able to debug for a possible bug report. Asked yet a few times in debian-next but no body seems to know about my issue. I have a problem with mouse pointer: if I have the word "debiaan" and when I want to select the second "a" for remove it, I must try to select the "n" for get the second "a" selected or the "i" for get the first "a" selected. That mean: the vertical line of the mouse, the | (I dont know
582 [02:45:20] <awwal> how its called) is always placed after or before one character: if I want the place the | between the two "a", I have to pointe the mouse pointer after "n" or before "i". Hard to explain with my basic English. I hope you understand my idea. I wonder if it's related with 'gtk' stuff, as someone has suggested in debian-next, because it only happens with a few gtk based apps, like hexchat, thunar and pcmanfm; not with all gtk based. Any clue?
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584 [02:46:38] <awwal> Number of users in this channel is more higher , so I thought it may be helpful asking here.
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587 [02:47:12] <awwal> I have tried several mouse's and usb ports but no luck
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589 [02:48:44] <awwal> I have that issue only since 1 week or so; hard to find after which update, being sid all the time crazy xD
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591 [02:49:38] <bazhang> sid is testing/unstable ?
592 [02:49:52] <dsockwell> yes, always
593 [02:49:57] <dsockwell> wait
594 [02:50:04] <dsockwell> sid is always unstable
595 [02:50:10] <dsockwell> testing has its own code name
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597 [02:50:13] <dsockwell> but unstable is always sid
598 [02:50:14] <bazhang> thats on debian-next on oftc irc
599 [02:50:37] <bazhang> see the topic here awwal
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602 [02:51:11] <awwal> bazhang, I see it everyday :)
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635 [03:09:48] <fas3r> Hello
636 [03:10:21] <fas3r> does realmd is suppose to create the keytab file when using to join a domain ?
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672 [03:27:54] <buu> So guys
673 [03:28:18] <buu> If I have a Monitor section with a Modeline "foo" .... ; section should I be able to refer to that using xrandr --output ... --mode foo ?
674 [03:29:16] <buu> How do I do the equivalent of xrandr --addmode in my xorg.conf?
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677 [03:30:48] <buu> Modeline "1920x1080_59.94" 172.63 1920 2040 2248 2576 1080 1081 1084 1118 -HSync +Vsync
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753 [04:52:59] <rosengarden___> Hi, I am search a software, that easily controlfigure and scene as template, could rather simple like for example lucas arts indiana jones. I do not want to sketch characters. Just paint the hair of one character blond, call it princess and make them blabla. Is there 2016 really not such a tool in free software?
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755 [04:53:15] <plasmoduck> Hey guys for some reason when I upload files to my server its really slow like 650KB/s this is on my local network client pc is wifi and server is ethernet
756 [04:53:57] <plasmoduck> rosengarden___, have you tried gimp?
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759 [04:54:06] <buu> plasmoduck: could be wifi, wires, router, disk, kernel, cpu..
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761 [04:54:44] <plasmoduck> It's slow with scp and samba
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815 [05:39:01] <fas3r> Hello, I configured sssd with realmd to be able to use sssd-ad with the GPO. sssd is configured automatically by realm as expected and I can retrieve my users/group with getent or id. When I try to authenticate a user with SSH I can see errors relative to the GPO replaced-url
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817 [05:39:12] <lux7676> anyone knows how to fix the dependency problems ?
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820 [05:40:58] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell lux7676 about bat
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853 [05:57:38] <grubles> \/11
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860 [06:02:39] <okee> What is the best way to mount some unmounted drives, where the drives are mixed up and not properly labeled? This is the output of ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ Can I just mount the unmounted, without knowing their label?
861 [06:02:54] <okee> replaced-url
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879 [06:11:38] <ryouma> yes, you can mount them
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881 [06:11:50] <ryouma> assuming they have file systems on them
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915 [06:24:26] <woalwa> hi, i just upgraded my Jessie with 'apt-get upgrade'. I get "update-initramfs: /boot/initrd.img-3.16-2-686-pae has been altered.
916 [06:24:26] <woalwa> update-initramfs: Cannot update. Override with -t option." Is this serious? Will I be able to reboot following a shutdown?
917 [06:25:09] <lux7676> jmcnaught i will work on it tomorrow..
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935 [06:39:27] <okee> ryouma> Thanks.
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942 [06:43:08] <jmcnaught> woalwa: i would hold off on rebooting until you figure it out. have you previously done any customizations to the initrd, or installed any modules not from Debian packages?
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946 [06:44:57] <jmcnaught> woalwa: if you run "update-initramfs -u -v" it should give more information
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949 [06:45:54] <woalwa> ok, will try that.
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952 [06:47:16] <woalwa> Available versions: 3.16-2-686-pae 3.14-2-686-pae 3.14-1-686-pae
953 [06:47:17] <woalwa> update-initramfs: /boot/initrd.img-3.16-2-686-pae has been altered.
954 [06:47:19] <woalwa> update-initramfs: Cannot update. Override with -t option.
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956 [06:48:13] <jmcnaught> woalwa: there's replaced-url
957 [06:49:19] <jmcnaught> woalwa: you could try the "-t" option it is suggesting, but it might break whatever non-standard thing you may have installed
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960 [06:49:48] <woalwa> I don't remember having installed anything that would have modified initrd. I try to reinstall the kernel with "apt-get install --reinstall..." but it could not be downloaded.
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966 [06:52:05] <jmcnaught> woalwa: where did the 3.14 kernels come from? also i would expect a jessie kernel to be 3.16.0-4-686-pae. what does "lsb_release -a" say?
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969 [06:53:53] <jmcnaught> woalwa: for example mine is /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64 not /boot/initrd.img-3.16-2-amd64
970 [06:53:55] <woalwa> Its 3.16-2. Anyway, I just tried a 'update-initramfs -u -t' without any problem.
971 [06:54:33] <woalwa> Oh, that 3.14 is an old version I keep as backup.
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973 [06:55:14] <jmcnaught> woalwa: did you upgrade from wheezy and were previously using a backports kernel?
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976 [06:55:59] <woalwa> yes, i upgrade from wheezy, but its a proper debian version.
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978 [06:56:52] <jim> let's see if it's healthy... does aptitude -f install want to do anything?
979 [06:56:59] <jmcnaught> woalwa: it doesn't look like the correct kernel version, and it would be interesting to know what caused this problem.
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981 [06:57:26] <woalwa> thks for the help. i hink i am ok now. bye.
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983 [06:57:32] <jmcnaught> woalwa: also the output of "uname -a" and "apt-cache policy linux-image-686-pae"
984 [06:57:53] <woalwa> ok, will get back to you with that.
985 [06:58:14] <jmcnaught> woalwa: well if you're not worried then i guess i won't worry either :)
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989 [06:58:51] <woalwa> ok, lets leave it at that. thks again.
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1104 [08:16:45] <gdrdr_nick> Hi!
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1106 [08:17:05] <gdrdr_nick> The easy way of installing Debian on the home page front....
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1108 [08:17:12] <gdrdr_nick> the version seems very old
1109 [08:17:30] <gdrdr_nick> Is it possible for me to get the latest packages while still benefting from Debian's robustnes?
1110 [08:17:34] <gdrdr_nick> Should I go for Sid?
1111 [08:17:39] <gdrdr_nick> Or stretch?
1112 [08:18:14] <mutante> stretch
1113 [08:18:21] <gdrdr_nick> Sid is very unstable?
1114 [08:18:23] <mutante> yes
1115 [08:18:29] <mutante> sid breaks all the toys
1116 [08:18:29] <gdrdr_nick> You mean it'll always crash?
1117 [08:18:36] <gdrdr_nick> Hehe toy story
1118 [08:18:39] <gdrdr_nick> So
1119 [08:18:41] <mutante> indeed
1120 [08:18:44] <jmcnaught> gdrdr_nick: Debian's robustness is because of the amount of time that goes into testing and fixing packages, you give that up with stretch and unstable, along with security updates
1121 [08:18:54] <gdrdr_nick> Ah
1122 [08:18:59] <mutante> no, but strech is a nice compromise between robustness and newness
1123 [08:19:10] <mutante> for a laptop that is
1124 [08:19:14] <gdrdr_nick> I can go back to stable from stretch right?
1125 [08:19:19] <gdrdr_nick> I am using a laptop
1126 [08:19:19] <mutante> not really
1127 [08:19:25] <gdrdr_nick> Uh
1128 [08:19:29] <dsockwell> you can wait a while
1129 [08:19:35] <dsockwell> and stretch will turn into stable
1130 [08:19:46] <jmcnaught> sorta, it also stays broken the longest when it breaks. stretch and unstable aren't for beginners, if you're new to Debian do your learning on stable
1131 [08:20:01] <gdrdr_nick> I think I'l just look around and see what fits me
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1133 [08:20:13] <gdrdr_nick> Well I saw Debian recommended in Prism Break
1134 [08:20:19] <gdrdr_nick> That's why I came to ask you guys
1135 [08:20:26] <jmcnaught> there are backports available for some packages on stable too
1136 [08:20:34] <mutante> nice @ Prism Break creates Debian users
1137 [08:20:37] <gdrdr_nick> I'd not consider Debian for now
1138 [08:20:37] <dsockwell> you should try stable first
1139 [08:20:45] <gdrdr_nick> I've used Stable before
1140 [08:20:48] <dsockwell> oh
1141 [08:20:53] <dsockwell> well suit yourself
1142 [08:20:53] <gdrdr_nick> And for a couple of months even
1143 [08:21:22] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
1144 [08:22:36] <mutante> gdrdr_nick: for me personally it's always "stable" on a server and "testing" on a laptop.
1145 [08:22:56] <gdrdr_nick> mutante, Ah
1146 [08:22:57] <dsockwell> i've never actually had a bad problem with testing
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1148 [08:23:14] <jmcnaught> gdrdr_nick: take a look at that, there are other caveats using testing and unstable. lots of people do it, but if you don't know the package system very well it can be difficult to solve problems when they come up. if you rely on your computer to get stuff done, stable is the better choice
1149 [08:23:20] <dsockwell> but for something i expect to run forever with 0 trouble i choose stable
1150 [08:23:26] <mutante> gdrdr_nick: because i want the server to be rock solid, but on my laptop i might want a bit newer software , some multimedia, and yea, i never really had a problem with testing
1151 [08:23:33] <dsockwell> a laptop i can cuss at and it works
1152 [08:23:33] <gdrdr_nick> Ah
1153 [08:23:40] <dsockwell> harder with a server
1154 [08:23:53] <gdrdr_nick> Yeah I think stable is really for servers
1155 [08:24:04] <gdrdr_nick> Is teseting as equally fresh as Mint 17.3?
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1157 [08:24:15] <gdrdr_nick> I'm actually about to install Mint now
1158 [08:24:17] <dsockwell> isn't mint descended from debian these days?
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1160 [08:24:25] <dsockwell> or am i thrinking of crunchbang
1161 [08:24:31] <gdrdr_nick> Correct
1162 [08:24:40] <gdrdr_nick> Nah I think Mint descended from Ubuntu?
1163 [08:24:42] <gdrdr_nick> I don't know
1164 [08:24:44] <dsockwell> the thing about those 'noob friendly' distros is that the other users are often as clueless as you are
1165 [08:24:47] <jmcnaught> stable is for desktops and laptops too, it's what i use
1166 [08:24:56] <mutante> very good point from dsockwell
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1168 [08:25:37] <mutante> gdrdr_nick: do you have a particular reason why Mint instead of Debian?
1169 [08:25:45] <dsockwell> when people ask me what linux distro to use, i tell them debian. the bad old days are gone, and hand-holding is just confusing any more
1170 [08:25:53] <gdrdr_nick> Because I'm certain I wouldn't have a problem with it
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1172 [08:26:04] <gdrdr_nick> It should "just" work
1173 [08:26:11] <gdrdr_nick> And I get the latest packages
1174 [08:26:19] <gdrdr_nick> Meaning I get the innovations
1175 [08:26:24] <gdrdr_nick> I think it's reasonably secure too
1176 [08:26:29] <gdrdr_nick> Looks pretty
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1178 [08:26:35] <gdrdr_nick> Has an awesome community behind it
1179 [08:26:46] <gdrdr_nick> The project and the people are awesome basically.
1180 [08:26:52] <mutante> well, you just talked about robustness. "latest" is often the opposite of robust and "just works"
1181 [08:27:04] <dsockwell> good night
1182 [08:27:07] <mutante> latest means few other people have used it before you
1183 [08:27:17] <mutante> the bugs still have to be found
1184 [08:27:22] <gdrdr_nick> That sucks
1185 [08:27:24] <gdrdr_nick> :(
1186 [08:27:31] <gdrdr_nick> Well I want to be able to use the latest innovations
1187 [08:27:34] <gdrdr_nick> That's always exciting
1188 [08:27:43] <dsockwell> it gets old
1189 [08:28:03] <dsockwell> because they always break when you rely on them
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1191 [08:28:13] <jmcnaught> indeed.. testing/unstable are part of the Debian development process, how the bugs gets found and fixed to prepare the next stable release. they aren't really intended for end users
1192 [08:28:26] <gdrdr_nick> Hmm
1193 [08:28:31] <gdrdr_nick> So what distro should I go for?
1194 [08:28:36] <gdrdr_nick> I'm just an average joe.
1195 [08:28:38] <mutante> Debian
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1197 [08:28:45] <gdrdr_nick> Which Debian?
1198 [08:28:55] <gdrdr_nick> Nautilus opens so slow on Debian though
1199 [08:28:58] <gdrdr_nick> It's annoying.
1200 [08:29:07] <gdrdr_nick> I can't also install Tox on it
1201 [08:29:11] <gdrdr_nick> That's why I left
1202 [08:29:23] <gdrdr_nick> I don't think I can install experimental software on it too.
1203 [08:29:25] <gdrdr_nick> Like Tox
1204 [08:29:47] <mutante> you can install experimental things on any distro
1205 [08:29:53] <mutante> the differences are actually smaller than you might think
1206 [08:30:06] <mutante> and Mint/Ubuntu/etc all use Debian packages anyways
1207 [08:30:35] <gdrdr_nick> Disk encryption takes hella slow on debian too.
1208 [08:30:37] <dsockwell> if you're this stubborn then fine, good riddance, go to mint
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1210 [08:30:42] <mutante> gdrdr_nick: i think what you might actually want is 2 things.. a regular daily work system and one to play with and just try new stuff
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1212 [08:31:29] <gdrdr_nick> Yes
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1214 [08:31:36] <dsockwell> that's why we have these other distros, so we don't all have to agree on debian
1215 [08:31:37] <gdrdr_nick> And I'm thinking of installing Steam too
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1217 [08:32:02] <gdrdr_nick> I know Steam is privacy invasive but I miss gaming
1218 [08:32:20] <gdrdr_nick> Hey everyone's gotta start somewhere right?
1219 [08:32:24] <gdrdr_nick> I think Mint should be fine
1220 [08:32:37] <dsockwell> in the time we've spent vaccilating, you could have tried 2 distros.
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1222 [08:33:10] <gdrdr_nick> Which are?
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1224 [08:33:18] <dsockwell> idk, arch and mint
1225 [08:33:24] <dsockwell> or slackware and mint
1226 [08:33:30] <dsockwell> or ubuntu and LFS
1227 [08:33:42] <dsockwell> or tails and kali
1228 [08:33:55] <gdrdr_nick> I am gonna try mint
1229 [08:34:01] <gdrdr_nick> What do you mean?
1230 [08:34:03] <gdrdr_nick> Dual boot?
1231 [08:34:19] <dsockwell> i mean you could have downloaded 2 liveCDs and played with them
1232 [08:34:23] <gdrdr_nick> How do I use the "Signed sha256 sigs" on this Mint page? replaced-url
1233 [08:34:39] <gdrdr_nick> I have used Mint
1234 [08:34:46] <gdrdr_nick> Pretty familiar with it
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1236 [08:34:53] <jmcnaught> gdrdr_nick: it's fine if you're going to go with Mint, but it's not supported here, only Debian is
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1238 [08:34:55] <gdrdr_nick> I think it should be ok to install it on my PC
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1240 [08:34:57] <jmcnaught> !mint
1241 [08:34:57] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
1242 [08:35:02] <gdrdr_nick> Sorry
1243 [08:35:08] <gdrdr_nick> Thanks a lot guys!
1244 [08:35:10] <gdrdr_nick> For your time
1245 [08:35:20] <jmcnaught> gdrdr_nick: have a good one :)
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1248 [08:35:50] <msn> "I want you to tell me what distro to use, but whatever you suggest i am using mint"
1249 [08:35:58] <mutante> good luck, you can get off of steam, you'll make it
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1304 [09:03:53] <unborn> :D
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1371 [09:26:52] <MisterGadfly> Anyone know of a way to color apt's output? I can barely discern information from all that whiteness.
1372 [09:27:27] <petemc> i use ccze for my colorizing needs
1373 [09:27:31] <petemc> mostly logs tho
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1398 [09:35:27] <kw5> Hello :) I am using Jessie and a backported Iceweasel. While running "aptitude update", I received a message that I need to update my sources.list because of Iceweasel. I read about that it is no longer necessary for Debian to rebrand Firefox to Iceweasel. Do I just remove the line for the backported version from my sources.list?
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1473 [10:05:24] <choice> Is it possible to install debian over an existing linux partition without f**** up the boot manager?
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1476 [10:07:16] <Iridos> you'll need a boot loader to boot it
1477 [10:07:37] <Iridos> guess you can install it on the partition instead of the MBR
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1479 [10:07:56] <choice> Yes. There are already multiple linux partitions on the drive.
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1481 [10:08:15] <choice> One is encrypted, so its not a very simple setup.
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1483 [10:08:24] <kw5> Is it a good idea to remove Iceweasel when you use the backported firefox version in Debian Jessie? I am thinking package dependcy issues..
1484 [10:08:29] <choice> And i want to install Debian in one of the unencrypted partitions.
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1487 [10:09:12] <Iridos> seems like you want to use debootstrap... funnily I never needed to use that
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1490 [10:09:18] <Iridos> dpkg, debootstrap
1491 [10:09:18] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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1502 [10:11:46] <Iridos> ha. firefox-branded firefox. already?
1503 [10:11:51] <Iridos> judd, versions firefox
1504 [10:11:53] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 45.0.2-1~bpo80+1; sid: 45.0.2-1; experimental: 46.0~b5-1
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1507 [10:12:37] <TomTomTosch> for a few weeks now :3
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1509 [10:13:23] <kw5> Are you supposed to remove Iceweasel then though? I guess not but I am unsure
1510 [10:13:37] <Iridos> kw5, it hasn't even left sid... I'd maybe wait a little? And in principle the dependencies are for working stuff like that out... I'd have a close look at what apt-get or aptitude are saying they're going to do before they do it, though
1511 [10:13:37] <kw5> I am still in the habit of opening Iceweasel instead of firefox
1512 [10:13:54] <TomTomTosch> things like gnome still depend on iceweasel.
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1514 [10:14:14] <Iridos> duh...
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1516 [10:14:25] <kw5> Ok thanks for the info
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1519 [10:15:05] <Iridos> there should be a wossname... transitory iceweasel package
1520 [10:15:10] <Iridos> judd, versions iceweasel
1521 [10:15:11] <judd> Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.5.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 38.7.1esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.7.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie: 38.7.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.0.2esr-1; sid: 45.0.2esr-1
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1524 [10:15:33] <hiya> Guys, which is the best VNC client that you have ever used?
1525 [10:15:57] <Iridos> but not in backports
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1530 [10:18:08] <alioui_> i look for bash behavior when i start typing a command and press pageup it will give me one by one of all command executed that start whit what i just typed ?? do i have to install some package for that
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1542 [10:21:35] <Iridos> kw5... gorn
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1544 [10:22:13] <Iridos> alioui_, ctrl-r instead of pageup does something similar (albeit not limited to the start)
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1548 [10:24:01] <Iridos> there's also history-search-backward
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1550 [10:24:21] <Iridos> I guess that's the one you're referring to
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1552 [10:24:28] <Iridos> you'd need to bind that to a key
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1555 [10:25:57] <alioui_> ok, i was thinking i will be a simple task ( change some conf file, or install some package)
1556 [10:26:04] <alioui_> thanks
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1558 [10:26:15] <Iridos> seems actually not so hard
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1562 [10:27:59] <Iridos> alioui_, bind '"X": history-search-backward' # remove the X and type "ctrl-v PageUp" instead of it
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1566 [10:29:27] <Iridos> alioui_, after you got that to work, write the same line at the end of your .bashrc
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1569 [10:31:32] <alioui_> ok i will try it :)
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1578 [10:35:28] <ljhade24> has anyone tried new 2016 dell xps 13 with debian?
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1580 [10:36:02] <Iridos> (probably looks like ^[[5~ , but that is really ESC [5~ )
1581 [10:36:16] <ljhade24> it has no lan port on board and has 'Dell 1820A' wireless card but I don't see any 'dell' wireless card on debian stable
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1584 [10:37:41] <ws2k3> Hello. im trying to install debian 7 in a xenserver vm. but at the partitioning menu im getting The attempt to mount a filesystem with type ext4 in Virtual disk 1, partition #1 (xvda1) at / failed. i am having this issue on 2 of my xenservers so its unlikely the issue is in the xenservers. i also tryed to install ubuntu 12.04 to extra verify the issue is not in my xenserver. what could this be
1585 [10:37:41] <ws2k3> exacly?
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1593 [10:40:34] <Iridos> alioui_, bind '"\e[5~": history-search-backward' works for me (the \e makes the escape character)
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1600 [10:43:32] <Iridos> ljhade24, look for it in the output of lspci -nn ... look for the number that looks like [0000:0000]
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1607 [10:46:32] <TomTomTosch> if it's broadcom 4350 it might work with the 4.4 kernel.
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1610 [10:47:22] <ljhade24> Iridos: I didn't install on it yet. it seems debian stable install can't find dell wireless driver. It says no networking available
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1613 [10:48:21] <ljhade24> TomTomTosch: how can I find dell wireless is the same driver as 4350?
1614 [10:48:27] <Iridos> ljhade24, if it's new it will likely need a newer kernel than in stable
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1617 [10:49:09] <Iridos> seems there's no kmuto installer builds anymore
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1619 [10:49:31] <TomTomTosch> ljhade24: by doing what Iridos said or by going into the device manager of whatever OS you have installed.
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1622 [10:50:28] <TomTomTosch> the descriptions dell has online are rather lacking.
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1635 [10:55:36] <plasmoduck> Hey guys for some reason when I upload files to my server its really slow like 650KB/s this is on my local network client pc is wifi and server is ethernet
1636 [10:55:38] <plasmoduck> It's slow with scp and samba
1637 [10:56:20] <jelly> plasmoduck: and if you put the pc on a wired connection too?
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1640 [10:58:11] <plasmoduck> I don't have another cable to test jelly :/
1641 [10:59:01] <plasmoduck> All I'm doing is streaming a movie with plex from my server to my pc and uploading files
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1643 [10:59:10] <plasmoduck> But it seems to upload very slow to my server
1644 [10:59:59] <plasmoduck> jelly, I've tried long and short preamble settings on router.
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1646 [11:00:22] <plasmoduck> Speed is set to highest, 300Mb/s
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1659 [11:07:47] <plasmoduck> jelly, my connection is not the greatest quality but I don't think it matters too much replaced-url
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1662 [11:11:19] <plasmoduck> It's like my data is routing through the internet
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1667 [11:13:36] <mlq> Hello, I want to pin specific packages from a certain origin, but for whatever reason apt-cache policy applies the pin-priority to all other sources as well: replaced-url
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1671 [11:16:34] <jelly> plasmoduck: well, samba and scp are different protocols. You can rule out storage bottlenecks by running "iperf" or similar networking benchmark on both ends
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1673 [11:17:28] <plasmoduck> jelly, thanks, I'll try that.
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1675 [11:18:35] <coombee> hey guys need some help to do a command line for zuluMount I also have a key to add in
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1679 [11:20:18] <teraflops> Zuluwat? You guys use strange things
1680 [11:20:19] <jelly> mlq: um, looks like your pin is working as specified.
1681 [11:20:50] <jelly> mlq: okay, the output is weird but the Candidate: is still the right one
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1685 [11:22:01] <coombee> ZuluMount for a cryptography
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1702 [11:32:59] <ws2k3> Hello. im trying to install debian 7 in a xenserver vm. but at the partitioning menu im getting The attempt to mount a filesystem with type ext4 in Virtual disk 1, partition #1 (xvda1) at / failed. i am having this issue on 2 of my xenservers so its unlikely the issue is in the xenservers. i also tryed to install ubuntu 12.04 to extra verify the issue is not in my xenserver. what could this be
1703 [11:32:59] <ws2k3> exacly?
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1705 [11:33:57] <Cloudwalker42> ws2k3: why donÄt u use xen create image tool, you can specify there how large the partions should be and which fs type you preffer
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1707 [11:34:29] <Cloudwalker42> ws2k3: much more easier than running the standard debian installation
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1709 [11:35:14] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 yeah that could be interesting if you deploy many debian 7 instandses but this one just need to have a different setup
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1716 [11:36:45] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 im now trying to mount /dev/xvda1 manualy with: mount /dev/xvda1 /mnt but it give me the error failed:Invalid argument
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1720 [11:38:04] <coombee> any help to do a command line for zuluMount I also have a key to add in
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1723 [11:38:47] <Cloudwalker42> ws2k3: where do you type this command. On the DomU or the Dom0
1724 [11:39:01] <ws2k3> DomU(inside the vm)
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1726 [11:39:31] <Cloudwalker42> ws2k3: Hmm im not sure but xvda1 may be the root fs of the DomU
1727 [11:40:06] <Cloudwalker42> ws2k3: can u paste me here the oupout of /proc/mounts ?
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1729 [11:40:19] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 yes /dev/xvda1 is the root fs of the DomU but cause i got the error during the installation i am now into the execute a shell
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1731 [11:41:29] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 the ash Bourne-shell
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1733 [11:42:35] <Cloudwalker42> ws2k3: so this partition is not mounted
1734 [11:42:46] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 yes its not mounted
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1736 [11:42:52] <coombee> yeah not mounted
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1739 [11:43:34] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 coombee im trying to mount it to try to understand why it fails
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1741 [11:44:28] <Cloudwalker42> ws2k3: do you use lvs ?
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1743 [11:44:47] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 no. just plain ext4
1744 [11:46:01] <Cloudwalker42> I use for my xen Dom0's lv's and if I want to mount a specific partition of a DomU i just mount the /dev/*partition*
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1747 [11:46:28] <Cloudwalker42> But I donÄt mount in in a rescue mode in DomU insteed I Mount the partion on the Dom0
1748 [11:47:09] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 yeah i understand. but im just trying to figure out why my debian install fails. i dont have any data on it
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1750 [11:47:36] <Cloudwalker42> ws2k3: hmm sorry imo ut
1751 [11:48:09] <coombee> yeah
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1754 [11:49:43] <p0rt> hey
1755 [11:49:55] <p0rt> Is it possible to have 3 monitors?
1756 [11:50:05] <p0rt> I have thinkpad x220 with docking station
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1759 [11:50:15] <Stummi> p0rt, depends on your hardware
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1761 [11:50:38] <p0rt> Stummi: xrandr gives me "cannot find crtc for output VGA1"
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1763 [11:51:03] <p0rt> Stummi: But I can mirror hdmi and VGA monitor
1764 [11:51:11] <p0rt> How can I fix this?
1765 [11:51:22] <p0rt> Google doesn't help very much
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1769 [11:52:05] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 ext4: Unknown symbol __bread_gfp (err 0) maby that is something wrong
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1772 [11:53:54] <seeS> ive heard its possible but ive never had hardware decent enough to drive it
1773 [11:54:12] <seeS> some laptops you can do 2 easily with a docking station
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1775 [11:55:00] <p0rt> seeS: Well, I think it's possible with a docking station that I don't have
1776 [11:55:18] <jelly> p0rt: it depends on your graphic card.
1777 [11:55:50] <p0rt> jelly: Seems legit
1778 [11:56:38] <jelly> intel gpus sandybridge generation couldn't drive more than 2 outputs at the same time, IIRC
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1780 [11:56:42] <Quatroking> so my laptop froze last night after an uptime of 10 days
1781 [11:56:49] <Quatroking> no overheating or anything, the sensors were in the green
1782 [11:56:54] <Quatroking> how do I figure out what happened?
1783 [11:56:56] <tinyhippo> laptops aren't servers
1784 [11:57:28] <tinyhippo> they're designed to be turned off/hibernated/suspended rather than run 24/7
1785 [11:57:29] <Quatroking> Yeah I know but that doesn't make freezing acceptable
1786 [11:57:44] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 i downloaded a new image of the debian 7 netinstall and now it works just fine
1787 [11:57:50] <ws2k3> Cloudwalker42 Realy strange
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1793 [12:00:25] <seeS> p0rt, could well be. i know at work some peoples do dual and others (e.g. mine) dont
1794 [12:00:25] <seeS> p0rt, thinkpads often come with port replicators not docking stations which could be the problem
1795 [12:00:27] <seeS> ok *now* colon completes a nick not comma
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1797 [12:01:04] <p0rt> seeS: depends on program you use :P
1798 [12:01:13] <p0rt> seeS: Altough, mine cannot do 3 monitors
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1804 [12:06:33] <blingrang> hello, debian 7.9, "Package debian-keyring is not available,"
1805 [12:07:05] <blingrang> Never seen this. I've already ran "apt-get update".
1806 [12:07:12] <blingrang> Any thoughts?
1807 [12:07:53] <blingrang> It goes without saying, but I was trying to "apt-get install debian-keyring"
1808 [12:07:55] <bdog7> another mirror?
1809 [12:08:50] <blingrang> ok will try
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1814 [12:12:08] <BadCodSmell> WTF can cause this: /home/user/application/branches/installer/cache/partial is missing. - Acquire (2: No such file or directory) ?
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1817 [12:13:29] <blingrang> bdog7: no luck, "E: Package 'debian-keyring' has no installation candidate"
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1819 [12:13:32] <BadCodSmell> I found it... /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10cache.conf
1820 [12:13:43] <BadCodSmell> how in the what the pigging hell
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1824 [12:15:14] <BadCodSmell> Also where can I get openssh-dbg?
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1832 [12:21:15] <BadCodSmell> Don't tell me I have to build that myself.
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1834 [12:25:46] <jelly> Quatroking: if you have new enough hardware (haswell?) there may be some output of the kernel crash under /sys/fs/pstore/
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1846 [12:34:26] <iamk> hello
1847 [12:34:30] <iamk> i am wondering if anyone has any experience with trying to route display through the ethernet port of the computer
1848 [12:34:38] <iamk> as in netbook'#s ethernet port -> ethernetcable -> ethernet to vga adapter -> display
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1850 [12:35:32] <jelly> iamk: what do you mean by an "ethernet to vga adapter"?
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1853 [12:36:20] <iamk> jelly: replaced-url
1854 [12:36:22] <iamk> something like this
1855 [12:36:31] <iamk> well...actually that exactly.
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1857 [12:36:38] <iamk> rjh45 -> vga
1858 [12:36:47] <iamk> rj45 *
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1863 [12:37:40] <jelly> iamk: that needs VGA on both ends, it does not talk ethernet frames through the cable but uses the cable for analog VGA signal.
1864 [12:38:02] <iamk> yes, i agree and was aware of hat
1865 [12:38:15] <iamk> my question was somewhat along the lines of, let me see if i can phrase it better. :
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1867 [12:39:00] <iamk> is there any way of reprogramming the ethernet port on the netbook so as to send video signal to aforementioned adapter that'd go into display?
1868 [12:39:06] <jelly> no.
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1870 [12:39:42] <iamk> oh
1871 [12:39:48] <iamk> anticlimatic :(
1872 [12:40:06] <iamk> thanks, jelly
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1879 [12:45:18] <Quatroking> jelly, nope, that folder's empty
1880 [12:45:35] <Quatroking> the laptop isn't all that new, it's a 2011 i5
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1899 [12:56:43] <`z> Hello all. I'm running a headless Debian stretch on my Raspberry Pi (yes, it's genuine Debian, not Raspbian). I currently use wicd to manage my network, and it does it well, automatically falling over to Wi-Fi when wired connection is not available.
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1902 [12:57:29] <`z> Now I want it to fall over to a dial-up connection when neither Wi-Fi or wired connection is up. How can I do it automatically?
1903 [12:58:01] <`z> (i.e. I want to set the default route to ppp0 when eth0 and wlan0 are both down)
1904 [12:58:14] <Fidelix> Hello folks. I've tried many times in different ways to install debian on a Dell server, but it just won't boot after the installation. I'm not doing anything complicated, just taking over the whole disk and installing grub to the master boot record.
1905 [12:58:27] <ksk> Fidelix: hardware raid?
1906 [12:58:29] <Fidelix> I'm just being dropped into the grub rescue shell (minimal)
1907 [12:58:40] <Fidelix> ksk: yes
1908 [12:58:51] <ksk> you are probably missing firmware to use them
1909 [12:59:03] <ksk> but please dont ask me which..
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1912 [12:59:34] <Fidelix> PERC h710.
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1916 [13:00:49] <ksk> Fidelix: which debian release?
1917 [13:01:03] <ksk> internet says wheezy (a 3.x kernel) -should- work
1918 [13:02:17] <Fidelix> ksk Jessie
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1931 [13:07:02] <Fidelix> ksk, weird. Using the graphical installer worked. Really weird.
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1938 [13:12:21] <ksk> mhhm, there is a point where installer (either grapical or not) asks you what kind of modules you want to add (like "needed for my machine"/"all"/"none" ) or sth like that..
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1951 [13:18:36] <sjm_> can somebody help me fix a bunch of broken packages please? replaced-url
1952 [13:18:48] <sjm_> i've tried apt-get install -f and it didn't do anything
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2026 [14:09:37] <tako> i decided that i'm moving Debian Testing
2027 [14:09:56] <tako> because all application are old in stable version
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2029 [14:10:16] <markybob> tako: then move to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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2033 [14:11:20] <tako> markybob, are you using sid ?
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2035 [14:11:39] <markybob> tako: no. this channel is for stable. read the /topic
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2039 [14:13:11] <debUser1978> Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)
2040 [14:13:16] <debUser1978> hmm..
2041 [14:13:37] <markybob> debUser1978: wrong network. it's irc.oftc.net not freenode (which is where you're at)
2042 [14:13:52] <debUser1978> I noticed. Thanks.
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2122 [14:54:15] <deadmouse> hey, i am facing some troubles with the rightclick of the mouse. it gets disabled when i am opening windows, terminals and using it to select objects. i can only fix it temparary untill it happens again by "Ctrl+Alt+Fx then F7" or "Ctrl+Alt+Backspace", what should i doo?
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2124 [14:54:36] <Doo> start by highlighting someone else
2125 [14:54:37] <Doo> :D
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2127 [14:55:34] <deadmouse> lol xD sorry
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2134 [14:59:31] <Doo> :D
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2143 [15:02:13] <bipul> hello anyone around?
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2148 [15:05:03] <jim> bipul, occasionally I look in, yes...
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2152 [15:05:49] <bipul> jim, ?
2153 [15:05:56] <bipul> jim, Do you know?
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2156 [15:07:03] <jim> I had to exit and come back on irc a couple mins ago, I don't have a question from you in my scrollback
2157 [15:07:09] <timmeyh> bipul: hi
2158 [15:07:43] <bipul> sure, let me repeat.
2159 [15:07:45] <bipul> timmeyh, Hello
2160 [15:07:45] <bipul> jim, how to convert debian-install source code for particular package into the netinstall image?
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2163 [15:08:44] <jim> you mean you want to install that package during netinstall...
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2166 [15:09:39] <jim> I don't quite have all the pieces of your question... but, try this...
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2168 [15:09:48] <jim> apt-get source hello
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2170 [15:10:09] <jim> (be not-root, in a dir with a bit of space)
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2172 [15:10:51] <jim> (this is a tiny and incomplete tour around building packages from debianized source)
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2177 [15:11:48] <bipul> ok, let me try this
2178 [15:12:10] <jim> bipul, once you get to that place or if you have trouble, say so
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2182 [15:14:36] <bipul> jim, sure , i will acknowledge you.
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2205 [15:18:54] <bipul> I am able to see 1 directory and two tar file and one .dsc file. hello-2.8 hello_2.8-4.debian.tar.gz hello_2.8-4.dsc hello_2.8.orig.tar.gz
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2208 [15:19:10] <bipul> jim, I am able to see 1 directory and two tar file and one .dsc file. hello-2.8 hello_2.8-4.debian.tar.gz hello_2.8-4.dsc hello_2.8.orig.tar.gz
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2221 [15:20:48] <gr8> I am trying to define a function in .bashrc. I have the following in my .bashrc: function search() {find . -iname "*$1*"}. Now when I execute source and run the search command, I get "find: paths must precede expression: sampler". The guys in #bash have no idea, maybe it's a Debian problem?
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2224 [15:23:08] <jim> bipul, ok...
2225 [15:23:27] <bipul> jim, You have any document or link?
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2228 [15:24:19] <themill> gr8: can you pastebin the output of "type -a search"?
2229 [15:24:25] <jim> bipul, the reason you were able to do this, is that in your sources.list, you have lines that start with "deb-src" and point to the archive where the hello package is
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2231 [15:24:38] <bipul> ok.
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2234 [15:25:20] <SPF> gr8: works fine here
2235 [15:26:21] <SPF> gr8: maybe you have a previous alias for find?
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2240 [15:27:19] <jim> one thing you can do to learn about sources and authoring packages, is read the files in that dir... but, right now, let's just build the package... first, like all packages that have any form of a build system (and that's pretty much all of them), the hello package has build dependencies... which are the packages needed in order to build AND package hello.
2241 [15:27:21] <lancebeet> gr8: works for me too under jessie
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2243 [15:27:53] <jim> bipul, su over to root, and run this: apt-get build-dep hello
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2245 [15:28:14] <bipul> jim, sure
2246 [15:28:35] <jim> (because you need to get those oackages needed to build hello, if you want to build it)
2247 [15:29:32] <antena-cli> In AccuWeather Desklet, if I put accuweather as Source, what should I put as Location to receive the climate information about Rio de Janeiro, Brazil?
2248 [15:29:36] <bipul> yes, i want to build it
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2250 [15:30:20] <bipul> root@bipul:~/Public# apt-get build-dep hello
2251 [15:30:21] <bipul> Reading package lists... Done
2252 [15:30:21] <bipul> Building dependency tree
2253 [15:30:21] <bipul> Reading state information... Done
2254 [15:30:21] <bipul> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 193 not upgraded.
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2259 [15:30:48] <jim> uhoh...
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2261 [15:31:00] <gr8> themill: replaced-url
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2268 [15:31:29] <jim> ok, so you ALREADY have the build depends for hello
2269 [15:31:49] <themill> gr8: having both an alias and a function defined is at best confusing
2270 [15:31:49] <jim> log out from the su, and cd to the hello dir
2271 [15:32:03] <bipul> sorry for pasting my terminal logs.
2272 [15:32:34] <bipul> Yes, I am in hello directory.
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2275 [15:32:53] <jim> ok, ls and notice, you have a debian dir
2276 [15:32:53] <gr8> themill: oops! that was the problem, thanks a lot =)
2277 [15:32:59] <themill> gr8: the quoting you have in the alias and the function are also different
2278 [15:33:09] <gr8> the alias came first
2279 [15:33:14] <gr8> so that's why it didn't work
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2281 [15:33:34] <themill> yeah, and aliases don't do positional arguments, so you would have had a very odd command indeed
2282 [15:33:43] <jim> bipul see it there?
2283 [15:33:56] <gr8> well this is awesome at least. Now I can search in bash easily
2284 [15:34:04] <bipul> jim wait i am on the way
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2289 [15:35:28] <antena-cli> Got it: SAM|BR|BR017|RIO DE JANEIRO
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2291 [15:36:47] <Cloudwalker42> I want to rsync a whole existent linux system to antoher fresh installed linux system. I have on question regard this. What folders should be exluded from this action. I will exclude /boot /sys /run /proc /dev /etc/network/interfaces /etc/udev/persisten.net.rules
2292 [15:37:47] <Cloudwalker42> it is necessary that the system which is the source of the action is online. I know this is shit because of incosistence and and.... but its a special szenario.
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2294 [15:38:55] <brigo> Cloudwalker42, can you make a snapshot of the system?
2295 [15:39:25] <brigo> you can check the output of mount command it will be a good start point.
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2299 [15:39:51] <Cloudwalker42> brigo: im not sure how to do this. I mean I take snapshopts of lvs but not from physical hard drives
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2302 [15:41:06] <ChrisH> Cloudwalker42: snapshots of LVs would improve the uglyness :) a bit
2303 [15:41:26] <brigo> Cloudwalker42, rsync will not sync hard disk information bit to bit, it will clone the files in the filesystem you can get in lvs snapshots.
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2305 [15:41:55] <Cloudwalker42> ChrisH: ^^ i use snapshopts for xen instances. mostly to take the downtime not so high
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2311 [15:42:59] <Cloudwalker42> brigo: ok thx
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2314 [15:43:17] <brigo> i can see a 'tmpfs on /run' in my system.
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2316 [15:43:36] <brigo> Cloudwalker42, np and good luck with that. :)
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2349 [16:02:41] <strk> are scripts in /etc/systemd/system all started at system boot ?
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2352 [16:03:19] <teraflops> strk: if you enable them, yes
2353 [16:03:40] <strk> how are them enabled ?
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2434 [16:33:27] <jim> bipul, so I just showed you how to build a debian package (because I kinda didn't understand your underlying question, and I thought that might be part of the solution... if you could ask the question again here, maybe someone can shed some light
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2436 [16:34:03] <bipul> jim, sure, and thank you very much for your precious time. :)
2437 [16:34:11] <jim> welcome
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2466 [16:45:45] <plasmoduck> How can I connect to my VPN without using a GUI?
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2470 [16:46:10] <plasmoduck> I'm using this service replaced-url
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2482 [16:49:21] <strk> what does it mean for "service xxx status" to tell me a service is active while "chkconfig xxx" to tell me xxx unknown service
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2484 [16:49:56] <TomasCZ> plasmoduck, Have you tried their FAQ or help center? Section manual setup?
2485 [16:50:33] <okee> what is the command that shows the device and type of file system associated with it. I am familiar with lsblk, df,
2486 [16:50:35] <TomasCZ> plasmoduck, help center > manual setup instructions
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2489 [16:51:53] <TomasCZ> okee, depends what you seek. mount
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2492 [16:52:28] <okee> TomasCZ> I have a bunch of unmounted drives, and trying to figure out what to do with them. Am I correct that these all go in the media folder?
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2494 [16:53:42] <TomasCZ> okee, it always depends on administrator where he mounts stuff. Some mount physical devices inside pc elsewhere some do those also into /media
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2500 [16:54:41] <okee> TomasCZ> I lost my mounting during the upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie. I seem to recall that Debian wants to put the devices in a specific location by default. Is that the /media folder?
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2504 [16:56:23] <plasmoduck> TomasCZ, I followed this replaced-url
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2507 [16:56:57] <plasmoduck> TomasCZ, But I get
2508 [16:56:58] <plasmoduck> # vyprvpn connect
2509 [16:56:58] <TomasCZ> okee, I'd say you are right on /media.
2510 [16:56:58] <plasmoduck> Error: Received status 400 from VyprVPN management service. Server connect request failed
2511 [16:57:19] <okee> TomasCZ> I have a big mess on my hands.
2512 [16:57:26] <plasmoduck> Is there not a file I can edit?
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2517 [17:01:11] <TomasCZ> plasmoduck, I can't say that is their app, so you might want to ask them if you have paid account. My own preference in VPN's is openvpn, looking at guide there I see they suggest/expect X11 but with little effort and knowledge you might know how to set it without that.
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2523 [17:02:15] <TomasCZ> okee, big mess? need ghostbusters?
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2525 [17:02:44] <okee> TomasCZ> What is ghostbusters? The problem I have is trying to figure out which drive is associated with specific OS.
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2541 [17:06:01] <TomasCZ> okee, you mean you don't know filesystem type? fdisk -l /dev/sda or if you want graphical gparted
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2545 [17:07:44] <somiaj> fred1807: why do you want to kill it? Are you sure it is a frame buffer and not a kms driver (this may load even on a headless machine)
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2548 [17:08:35] <fred1807> somiaj: I want to load some images on negative layers and the basic tty is always on layer 0
2549 [17:09:29] <somiaj> fred1807: and how would this do anything on a headless machine? But I digress, make sure you are really using framebuffers.
2550 [17:09:50] <somiaj> fred1807: most modern drivers use the kms kernel driver, which has some framebuffer comadability, but is not the same thing.
2551 [17:10:04] <somiaj> you can disable modsetting with boot parameters though if you need
2552 [17:10:13] <fred1807> somiaj: ok, not headless machine, It is attached to a hdmi monitor, but only for displaying images, it is controlled via ssh
2553 [17:10:42] <fred1807> images are displayed via FBI, I can set the layer number, but I need to use some below 0
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2589 [17:24:27] <somiaj> fred1807: anyways it has been a long time since I've dealt with framebuffers, but I would check what graphics card you have, if the standard module is loading you may have kms drivers loading. If you need features not present int he kms drivers you can disable it. Though unsure if framebuffers will be any easier, I only know kms has some framebuffer comadability, but I think it can also have stuff displayed on the console using kms tools (unsure ...
2590 [17:24:33] <somiaj> ... here too)
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2592 [17:25:22] <Hello71> fred1807: run X?
2593 [17:25:34] <vitaerk> hi, want to install snort with apt, cant find it! sources.list main contrib nonfree.
2594 [17:25:34] <thekeys> I looked that latest standard debian hybrid iso 32bit is more than 100M bigger than the 64bit version. Why is that ? Historically 32bit versions have been smaller, no ?
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2596 [17:25:50] <somiaj> !tell vitaerk about search
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2598 [17:26:00] <somiaj> ,v snort
2599 [17:26:01] <judd> Package: snort on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.5.2-8; wheezy: 2.9.2.2-3; sid: 2.9.7.0-5; stretch: 2.9.7.0-5
2600 [17:26:03] <okee> would someone refresh me as to what a sample mount command is for mounting a device? I took a look at the man page, but some how not quite getting it.
2601 [17:26:16] <vitaerk> replaced-url
2602 [17:26:38] <somiaj> vitaerk: it looks like snort was removed from jessie, you can go check the qa page (from the link you just gave) and see why it was removed rom jessie (most likely a grave rc bug)
2603 [17:26:41] <hamersaw> okee: 'sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb'
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2605 [17:26:45] <vitaerk> i have jessie
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2607 [17:27:11] <vitaerk> ok,
2608 [17:27:17] <somiaj> vitaerk: click on one of those packages in the list you got, in the right you'll see a link for 'Developer Information (PTS)'
2609 [17:27:28] <okee> hamersaw> Thanks
2610 [17:27:29] <somiaj> vitaerk: that site can direct you to when it was removed from jessie (it would have been testing at the time)
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2614 [17:28:17] <somiaj> vitaerk: replaced-url
2615 [17:28:19] <vitaerk> thank you for the quick help.
2616 [17:28:49] <somiaj> vitaerk: seems like the matainer just didn't get the libaries needed in jessie in time, and missed the freeze dates and it wasn't evlevated to ensure it got into jessie
2617 [17:28:52] <somiaj> ,check-backport snort
2618 [17:29:02] <judd> Backporting package snort in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libdaq-dev.
2619 [17:29:11] <somiaj> vitaerk: you might be able to backport it youself, but it also requires you backport libdaq
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2624 [17:29:35] <somiaj> that is the libary that didn't get into jessie before the freeze that prevented snort from being part of jessie
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2634 [17:31:08] <LoRe_> i'm doing to apt upgrade, and there are 27 newly installed packages, how can i find out which packages suddenly depend on them?
2635 [17:31:14] <vitaerk> somiaj: i need it for a vserver. how long i have to wait and watch out
2636 [17:31:56] <somiaj> vitaerk: jessie is a 'frozen' system, policy of the freeze is why snort was removed and why snort will not be part of jessie.
2637 [17:32:02] <vitaerk> maybe this is nearly the same: suricata - Next Generation Intrusion Detection and Prevention Tool
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2639 [17:32:21] <somiaj> vitaerk: The matainer may backport it for you, but it is not currently backported and there is no guarntee if or when this happens. The only sure way to do it is to backport it yourself
2640 [17:32:25] <somiaj> !tell vitaerk about ssb
2641 [17:32:33] <somiaj> vitaerk: follow those instructions, they may work. You'll have to first backport libdaq
2642 [17:32:38] <somiaj> ,check-backport libdaq
2643 [17:32:39] <judd> No package named 'libdaq' was found in sid/amd64.
2644 [17:32:47] <somiaj> ,check-backport libdaq2
2645 [17:32:48] <judd> Backporting package libdaq2 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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2647 [17:33:13] <somiaj> vitaerk: but backporting libdaq2 and then snort should allow you to build custom .deb so y ou can snort and its required supporting libary.
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2650 [17:33:31] <somiaj> LoRe_: What version of debian are you running?
2651 [17:33:39] <LoRe_> somiaj: testing
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2653 [17:33:49] <somiaj> LoRe_: there are various ways to look at reverse depends, you can run 'aptitude why packagename' as one way
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2655 [17:33:59] <somiaj> LoRe_: testing will ahve this happen all the time
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2659 [17:34:47] <somiaj> LoRe_: depends, new packages and how packages are related are always changing in testing. This is part of the joy of testing. Is there an actual bug happening or do you just want to see what changed? Maybe install apt-listchanges and lots of reading when you upgrade if you just want to track chagnes
2660 [17:34:50] <LoRe_> somiaj: normally i don't care, but now it want's to install texlive-base, that's to huge for that computer
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2663 [17:35:31] <somiaj> LoRe_: if you use 'apt-get --no-install-recommends dist-upgrade' does it still want to pull in textlive-base?
2664 [17:35:35] <aborrero> vitaerk: give suricata a chance :-) it's ruleset-compatible with snort, and more powerfull (speaking with the suricata maintainer hat)
2665 [17:36:04] <somiaj> LoRe_: run an apt-get upgrade first, this will upgade all packages that don't need to install new stuff. Then you may ahve a small list you can look at to track down the depends. I can't think of any tool to quickly/automatically do this though.
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2669 [17:37:05] <aborrero> vitaerk: and yeah, suricata is updated in stable backports and in testing :-)
2670 [17:37:15] <vitaerk> aborrero: yes, i think i will try it, because i spend 4h in installation in jessie
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2672 [17:37:23] <LoRe_> --no-install-recommends looks better, in this case also a simple upgrade wants to install new stuff...
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2674 [17:37:46] <somiaj> LoRe_: are you using apt-get (not aptitude). apt-get upgrade will not isntall/remove packages (else you found a bug in apt)
2675 [17:37:54] <aborrero> vitaerk: please, feel free to open bugs for suricata if you find any :-)
2676 [17:38:00] <vitaerk> otherwise i had a fresh ruleset from snort... arghhh
2677 [17:38:28] <vitaerk> have
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2679 [17:38:59] <somiaj> LoRe_: from the man page for apt-get upgrade, "under no circumstances are currently installed packages removed, or packages not already installed retrieved and installed."
2680 [17:39:21] <LoRe_> somiaj: indeed, apt-get upgrade doesn't do that, i was using apt upgrade
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2683 [17:39:41] <LoRe_> very confusing, 3 different tools to manage debian packages :)
2684 [17:39:57] <vitaerk> what command i have to use, if i need the name of debian release ... jessie, wheezy etc
2685 [17:40:00] <somiaj> LoRe_: yea I haven't payed much attentiont to the differences between apt and apt-get, looks like apt is using aptitudes upgrade/safe-upgrade logic more than apt, that is unfortunate. I like apt-get upgrade.
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2687 [17:40:10] <vitaerk> only sources.list?
2688 [17:40:19] <vitaerk> nothing in uname -r
2689 [17:40:28] <vitaerk> uname -a
2690 [17:40:33] <somiaj> LoRe_: each has its own use, but I'm surprised apt functions that differntlly then apt-get. But I haven't been watching or using apt.
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2695 [17:41:40] <somiaj> vitaerk: and really there is one core tool to manage packages (dpkg), and the apt are different logic/font ends to manage the ability to install packages from a server and figure out the logic to install depends
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2698 [17:43:28] <vitaerk> yes, i can download snort.deb, but i prefer to install with apt somiaj
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2700 [17:43:45] <vitaerk> because of depends
2701 [17:44:22] <LoRe_> somiaj: APT::Install-Recommends "false" and APT::Install-Suggests "false" in apt.conf works, thanks
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2705 [17:46:15] <somiaj> LoRe_: I would not disable reocmmends
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2707 [17:46:40] <somiaj> LoRe_: by policy those packages should be needed. Though I think sometimes packages get called 'recommends' when they should be 'suggested'
2708 [17:46:42] <vitaerk> somiaj: yes, i had never backported something, so i dont know
2709 [17:46:44] <somiaj> !recommends
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2711 [17:47:15] <somiaj> vitaerk: no. The problem is the binary also depends on packages (some core packages like the libc libaries) and those would also need to be upgraded
2712 [17:47:42] <somiaj> vitaerk: so you cannot install a .deb made for a different version of debian (or a different distro) without the chance of also pulling in core libs which will then make your system unsable.
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2716 [17:48:22] <somiaj> vitaerk: backporting compiles the software to depend on the libaries in jessie. Since no one has done this for the software you want, you'll have to do it yourself. The factoid I sent you should give you some steps to 'automate this'
2717 [17:48:38] <somiaj> vitaerk: but you'll have to first backport the libary, install it (and the -dev version of it) then backport snort
2718 [17:48:40] <LoRe_> somiaj: well the disk space is very limited, i take the risk :)
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2726 [17:50:34] <vitaerk> somiaj: ok, thank you for all the informations
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2728 [17:50:54] <LoRe_> somiaj: as long as nobody is using Recommends instead of Depends i should be fine
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2741 [17:56:32] <thekeys> If e2fsck says root partition is clean, does it mean it is all ok or should I do something else, I saw some errors when I updated pc. It did something with grub
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2746 [17:59:28] <unborn> hey guys, I am building up very simple python bot for irc channel.. I like one here on this channel when you say !something bot will give you the answer...is there any way to get have look how its written?
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2749 [18:00:27] <teraflops> !version
2750 [18:00:27] <dpkg> Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian suite>.
2751 [18:00:39] <teraflops> :s
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2753 [18:02:05] <jmcnaught> unborn: replaced-url
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2756 [18:02:53] <unborn> jmcnaught: thank you! that is exactly what I am looking for.. :)
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2758 [18:03:19] <abrotman> dpkg: tell unborn about infobot
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2766 [18:06:00] <jelly> unborn: dpkg is an infobot, horrible perl mess. Take a look at "limnoria" or its ancestor "supybot", and one of the factoid plugins for those
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2768 [18:06:34] <jelly> dpkg: what are you
2769 [18:06:34] <dpkg> I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
2770 [18:06:41] <jelly> dselect: what are you
2771 [18:06:41] <dselect> I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
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2774 [18:06:53] <jelly> waitaminute
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2781 [18:09:45] <unborn> jelly: well my bot is just one python file.. I want to be able to tell user link or info which is repeated all over day by day.. you know like !letsencrypt > give some info or link.. I already have that but would like to see how to implement that bot till do: !command unborn and bot would reply with my nick name to me
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2790 [18:15:42] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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2806 [18:20:21] <b0xii> i've got a giant mouse now since I installed nvidia-driver. It is normal size when it moves over windows though. Any ideas?
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2809 [18:20:44] <dury> got this issue to install graphic driver replaced-url
2810 [18:21:02] <toruvinn> b0xii, i sorta recall (from like 10 years ago?) you could define the size and/or shadow.
2811 [18:21:11] <toruvinn> b0xii, perhaps you need to disable cursor shadow?
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2814 [18:21:29] <toruvinn> b0xii, some quick googling: replaced-url
2815 [18:22:06] <dury> which do I have to install for that?
2816 [18:22:09] <toruvinn> hm, maybe not cursor size then, but i remember the shadow being an issue, yes
2817 [18:22:35] <dury> I mean which package?
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2819 [18:22:57] <toruvinn> dury, i dunno, xserver-xorg-video-ati?
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2822 [18:23:38] <toruvinn> dury, or maybe xserver-xorg-video-radeon? ;-P
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2825 [18:24:41] <dury> toruvinn, I'm going to try though
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2828 [18:24:56] <toruvinn> i'd just install both probably and let X autodetect ;-P
2829 [18:25:08] <toruvinn> but i'm lazy, especially since that autodetection is quite reliable
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2833 [18:26:36] <b0xii> toruvinn: will try that but it's supposed to default to off
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2835 [18:26:56] <dury> both are installed already, toruvinn I don't know what's wrong though
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2837 [18:27:05] <toruvinn> b0xii, i dunno, im fairly sure i never enabled it and still had issues with that, but bear in mind it really was like 2005 or something ;-)
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2842 [18:27:38] <b0xii> toruvinn: thanks. there's an option for hardware rendering of cursor too... will play with that as well
2843 [18:28:23] <toruvinn> dury, but what's happening, though? ;-p
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2845 [18:28:53] <dury> toruvinn, hang on... !!!
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2855 [18:30:43] <shibly> When we update a package, does it remove the older one and install the newer one? Or does it replace the newer one?
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2857 [18:31:29] <dury> toruvinn, I don't know I guess it doesn't load or something cheese application doesn't find the device
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2862 [18:31:52] <b0xii> toruvinn: no luck with that fix, but thanks for trying
2863 [18:31:59] <toruvinn> dury, you should definitely see the XOrg log.
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2866 [18:32:33] <dury> toruvinn, where is located it?
2867 [18:32:40] <jak2000> how to find the diferences in filenames from dir1, to dir2?
2868 [18:32:51] <jak2000> i want know only the differences
2869 [18:32:52] <OneTonTomato> Hey everyone, I am struggling to get mailcatcher to start on boot with debian 8.4
2870 [18:32:59] <toruvinn> dury, uh, dunno, /var/log? depends on how you launch xorg tbh. :-/
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2873 [18:33:21] <OneTonTomato> I've written /etc/init.d/mailcatcher which supports start|stop|restart
2874 [18:33:24] <toruvinn> jak2000, you could probably try two ls -1, sort them, then use comm to find differences...
2875 [18:33:35] <toruvinn> jonathaN, actually you dont need to sort that since ls does that for you already.
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2877 [18:33:44] <OneTonTomato> I've tried update-rc.d mailcatcher defaults && update-rc.d mailcatcher enable
2878 [18:33:55] <toruvinn> OneTonTomato, 8? you're on systemd, am i right? :-P
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2881 [18:34:14] <OneTonTomato> I'm still confused about systemd vs upstart vs sys-V
2882 [18:34:24] <OneTonTomato> So I'm using whatever comes out of the box with debian 8
2883 [18:34:34] <toruvinn> well deb jessie+ is using systemd by default i believe.
2884 [18:34:36] <mutante> systemd is the new stuff
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2886 [18:34:42] <elusiveother> hello
2887 [18:34:43] <dury> toruvinn, mate desktop environment launches automatically... after login user and pwd
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2889 [18:34:58] <mutante> OneTonTomato: if you have /etc/systemd/system ..it's systemd
2890 [18:35:03] <OneTonTomato> checking
2891 [18:35:03] <elusiveother> does debian do backports of security patches for nginx?
2892 [18:35:06] <toruvinn> dury, so have you checked your /var/log yet? :-P
2893 [18:35:19] <OneTonTomato> I do indeed have systemd
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2895 [18:35:37] <mutante> OneTonTomato: that you use the "systemctl" command for services etc
2896 [18:35:42] <mutante> then
2897 [18:35:44] <dury> toruvinn, so is it in location then?
2898 [18:35:45] <elusiveother> i see there are a ton of CVEs for nginx between the packaged debian version and the current release
2899 [18:35:47] <toruvinn> OneTonTomato, it's easy to check. you just do ps aux and if you hear "OMFG" there's systemd in there ;^)
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2902 [18:35:59] <toruvinn> dury, is it really that hard to just check what's in /var/log?
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2904 [18:36:01] <dury> toruvinn, I mean that location
2905 [18:36:19] <dury> toruvinn, ok hang on
2906 [18:36:22] <OneTonTomato> Alright, so with systemd I need to write a script /etc/systemd/system/mailcatcher.service it looks like.
2907 [18:36:52] <toruvinn> OneTonTomato, i don't even know. you probably have to sacrifice a newborn too, otherwise it won't run.
2908 [18:36:53] <jmcnaught> elusiveother: yes, you can track the backported security fixes with this site: replaced-url
2909 [18:36:56] <toruvinn> i... dislike systemd.
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2911 [18:37:11] <elusiveother> thank you very much, jmcnaught
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2916 [18:37:24] <elusiveother> toruvinn, i haven't met a person who doesn't
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2921 [18:38:40] <jmcnaught> OneTonTomato: systemd is backwards compatible with LSB init scripts, you can "systemctl enable <service name>" with just an init script, however service unit files are much easier to write than init scripts
2922 [18:38:48] <toruvinn> elusiveother, the creators, probably.
2923 [18:38:51] <jak2001> sorry
2924 [18:38:59] <jak2001> how to find the diferences in filenames from dir1, to dir2? i want know only the differences
2925 [18:39:11] <mutante> OneTonTomato: yes, that is right, you want to put a foo.service file in /etc/systemd/system
2926 [18:39:13] <dury> toruvinn, in /var/log there are Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old
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2930 [18:39:19] <toruvinn> jak2001, what about that comm of ls -1 output of both dirs?
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2934 [18:39:49] <mutante> OneTonTomato: as long as it's just a single process that is started, it's not too complex, let me show you a simple example
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2937 [18:40:03] <jmcnaught> jak2001: or a dry-run with "rsync -n"
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2939 [18:40:16] <dury> toruvinn, which one Xorg.0.log or Xorg.0.log.old ?
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2942 [18:40:33] <mutante> OneTonTomato: replaced-url
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2944 [18:40:36] <biggwutt> i just deleted a bunch of files on ext4 - i have a way to recover them, but not their filenames, which I really need
2945 [18:40:40] <toruvinn> dury, i'd probably prefer the non-old one...
2946 [18:40:44] <biggwutt> any recommendations?
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2948 [18:41:04] <jmcnaught> !enter
2949 [18:41:04] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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2952 [18:41:21] <shibly> When we update a package, does it remove the older one and install the newer one? Or does it replace the newer one?
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2954 [18:41:35] <jmcnaught> you all are really difficult to follow when you split your self up on to multiple lines while others are talking and doing the same.
2955 [18:41:43] <dury> toruvinn, so Xorg.0.log?
2956 [18:42:02] <toruvinn> biggwutt, well don't think directory entries are wiped on deletion on ext4, as opposed to indirect+ blocks... so perhaps you could try dumping the directory inode to a file and just trying to analyze that?
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2960 [18:42:46] <somiaj> shibly: replace.
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2962 [18:42:51] <mutante> OneTonTomato: that's like the minimal thing you need, [Unit] [Service] an ExecStart command, that "WantedBy" part to make it start at boot. there is lots more of course if you get more complex
2963 [18:42:54] <jak2001> toruvinn, ls -l give me 2 files
2964 [18:43:02] <toruvinn> biggwutt, i frankly don't remember, though, what happens to directory entries on deletion, especially on ext4. but dumping the inode to file sounds like a good start. just don't touch the directory contents yet.
2965 [18:43:05] <somiaj> shibly: and 'upgrade' is the word that gets used, 'update' means just updating the database (no actual installs)
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2968 [18:43:37] <toruvinn> jak2001, -1 not -l, (that's one, not "l" as in "lydia"), and when you have those two files with filenames (sorted) you can use comm on that. may i suggest `man comm'?
2969 [18:43:44] <jak2001> ye
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2971 [18:43:53] <jak2001> ok yes ls -1 gve me 2 files
2972 [18:44:01] <jak2001> wich it si this command?
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2978 [18:44:30] <OneTonTomato> mutante: Here's what I've got: replaced-url
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2980 [18:44:54] <OneTonTomato> mutante: Then I tried systemctl enable mailcatcher.service
2981 [18:45:12] <OneTonTomato> It had a couple of warnings but generally seemed to work, but on reboot it still won't start.
2982 [18:45:29] <dury> toruvinn, here it is what's on Xorg.0.log replaced-url
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2984 [18:45:38] <jmcnaught> OneTonTomato: did you check the journal for that service?
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2987 [18:45:44] <Tempname440> Hello, can anyone help me with a linux installation on free dos problem please?
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2990 [18:46:49] <OneTonTomato> mutante: If I run journalctl it tells me no journal files were found.
2991 [18:47:12] <shibly> somiaj, There is a command 'aptitude update <package>'
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2993 [18:47:41] <mutante> OneTonTomato: that looks like a good start and about the same i have. it worked for me to get it started after boot with the multi-user.target
2994 [18:47:45] <mutante> hmm
2995 [18:48:13] <somiaj> shibly: the man page here does not mention that command.
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2997 [18:48:25] <somiaj> shibly: are you sure it isn't just 'aptitude update' and the <package> is just ignored
2998 [18:48:32] <jmcnaught> OneTonTomato: are you running journalctl as root or a member of the adm group? "systemctl status mailcatcher" shoudl also show the last few log entries
2999 [18:48:32] <toruvinn> dury, frankly i haven't played with that for years now, but it doesn't really seem like there's a problem with your graphics driver there.
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3001 [18:48:47] <mutante> OneTonTomato: does the EnvironmentFile thing really start with "=-" instead of just =? i dont know about that yet
3002 [18:48:48] <toruvinn> dury, [ 28.389] (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2300" (ChipID = 0x7210)
3003 [18:48:55] <toruvinn> dury, it detected your gpu just fine.
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3005 [18:49:00] <somiaj> shibly: when I run 'aptitude update <package>' I get the error, "E: The update command takes no arguments", what version of debian are you running?
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3007 [18:49:10] <Tempname440> Hello, can anyone help me with a linux installation on free dos problem please? After I boot from the USB stick and choose to install ubuntu the screen goes black.
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3010 [18:49:24] <shibly> somiaj, aptitude update gnome-terminal
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3013 [18:49:47] <OneTonTomato> jmcnaught: I am root
3014 [18:49:52] <jmcnaught> dury: it looks like you're stuck in software rendering. you are probably lacking the firmware needed by the radeon driver. This page has the instructions: replaced-url
3015 [18:49:54] <tako> i removed virtualbox because i install it from their source not from debian repos now i'm trying to install virtualbox from jessie backports i'm getting this error -> replaced-url
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3017 [18:50:21] <toruvinn> jak2001, so, how's with your ls -1 dir1/ > out1 && ls -1 dir2/ > out2 && comm (-3?) out1 out2
3018 [18:50:24] <jmcnaught> OneTonTomato: if you run "journalctl" with no arguments does it still say no journal files found? did you disable journald or something?
3019 [18:51:00] <OneTonTomato> jmcnaught: When I run systemctl status mailcatcher I get Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1
3020 [18:51:19] <somiaj> shibly: I used an actual apckage name that I have installed. Again that command doesn't work like that on debian jessie, it gives the error I gave you. So what version of debian are you running?
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3022 [18:51:37] <dury> jmcnaught, sure?
3023 [18:51:40] <OneTonTomato> This is a clean install in a LXC container, I wonder what I've messed up
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3027 [18:52:17] <shibly> somiaj, I think, the command is 'aptitude install gnome-terminal' this also updates the package
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3029 [18:52:43] <dury> jmcnaught, see what's happen
3030 [18:52:49] <jmcnaught> dury: in your Xorg.0.log file the errors are prefaced with "(EE)" which is only mentioned twice, search that paste/file for EE and you'll see the error. ATI/AMD cards need a firmware to do acceleration
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3032 [18:53:15] <somiaj> shibly: install will install the current version available to apt, this will upgrade the package if there is a newer version available and the package is already installed (it will also switch the install flag from auto to manual if it was an auto isntalled package)
3033 [18:53:17] <jmcnaught> OneTonTomato: ahh.. it's a container. is the host running systemd? are you sure the container is?
3034 [18:53:20] <somiaj> shibly: this is not 'update'
3035 [18:53:20] <jhutchins> shibly: Yes, that's correct. Update doesn't take arguments, it updates the repo lists.
3036 [18:53:31] <dury> jmcnaught, all right
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3038 [18:53:52] <OneTonTomato> jmcnaught: Ah maybe that's it then. I'm on proxmox.
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3042 [18:54:04] <OneTonTomato> jmcnaught: Maybe I'll switch to a full VM
3043 [18:54:14] <shibly> somiaj, aptitude install gnome-terminal should update the older gnome-terminal, but you have run aptitude update first
3044 [18:54:26] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell OneTonTomato about proxmox
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3046 [18:55:08] <somiaj> shibly: as I said, be careful about your vocabulary. 'update' does not mean install or upgrade. It only means update the database.
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3053 [18:55:54] <OneTonTomato> jmcnaught: Thanks for helping me understand what's going on. I think I'm going to switch to a full debian VM and I can probably get it working from there.
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3055 [18:56:30] <shibly> somiaj, Yes, aptitude update only updates the repository
3056 [18:56:35] <jmcnaught> OneTonTomato: as the message from dpkg says, we can't help you with Proxmox stuff related to the host, but I would take a look at the LXC template script provided by proxmox to see if it disables systemd in containers (which is not done by LXC on Debian)
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3060 [18:57:59] <jhutchins> The "update" argument works to update packages on yum, afik it's never done that on apt/dpkg.
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3074 [19:01:36] <biggwutt> toruvinn: is this the right tool for your suggestion about directory inode dumping? replaced-url
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3112 [19:15:34] <fred1807> why 'apt-get install php5' comes with apache2 ? I just want to install php and not apache service
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3118 [19:18:00] <jelly> fred1807: because the "php5" metapackage picks the first alternative out of several possible. Look at Depends in "apt-cache show php5" output and install, for example, php5-fpm if that's what you plan to use.
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3121 [19:18:31] <fred1807> oh i see, now I understand, thank you
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3160 [19:30:31] <jelly> ,v megatools
3161 [19:30:32] <judd> Package: megatools on amd64 -- sid: 1.9.97-1; stretch: 1.9.97-1
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3240 [20:01:35] <SuperNull> my mind is drawing a complete blank .. what is that software that will watch log files (like sshd) and iptables firewall them based on too many failed attempts ?
3241 [20:01:59] <toruvinn> SuperNull, fail2ban or sshguard?
3242 [20:02:12] <SuperNull> fail2ban <3
3243 [20:02:15] <SuperNull> ty man.
3244 [20:02:17] <toruvinn> yw
3245 [20:02:17] <SuperNull> forgot.
3246 [20:02:20] <toruvinn> happens
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3261 [20:08:00] <Kralizec> hi
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3266 [20:09:28] <Kralizec> does anybody know why might it be that (in sid, so it's not like it's a complain or anything, just curious) xserver-xorg-core is messing with my init system, trying to take sysvinit away from me?
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3270 [20:10:00] <Kralizec> or some way to trace the dependency chain that led to that
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3277 [20:11:38] <Kralizec> ops, sorry, just saw the topic... off to the proper channel
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3323 [20:28:06] <acos> Ohhhhh
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3362 [20:43:10] <syncrr> hello.
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3364 [20:43:36] <jewel> I have a Skylake cpu which causes vlc to segfault in _lll_lock_elision. Is there a different version of libc that I can install to work around this? I'm using testing which has a libc version of 2.22-5
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3367 [20:44:34] <syncrr> is there any way to get the version of plymouth that comes with jessie to work with graphical themes when using fglrx?
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3370 [20:44:51] <syncrr> which doesn't do kernel modesetting (grr amd)
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3392 [20:53:16] <Enissay> Hey guys, It's been a while I cannot install anything on my wheezy (7) server, is it something broken for me ?
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3394 [20:53:45] <Enissay> I'm trying to install openvpn and every single command is failing :x
3395 [20:53:45] <greycat> Enissay: what error do you get?
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3402 [20:55:45] <Enissay> greycat, replaced-url
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3407 [20:56:34] <greycat> ,v mono-devel
3408 [20:56:35] <judd> Package: mono-devel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.7-5.1; squeeze-security: 2.6.7-5.1; squeeze-security-lts: 2.6.7-5.1+deb6u2; wheezy: 2.10.8.1-8+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.10.8.1-8+deb7u1; jessie: 3.2.8+dfsg-10; stretch: 4.2.1.102+dfsg2-6; sid: 4.2.1.102+dfsg2-7
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3410 [20:56:59] <greycat> You must have installed something from a non-Debian repository.
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3412 [20:57:25] <Enissay> Maybe, is there a way to correct it ?
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3414 [20:57:44] <greycat> Your command wants mono-devel (= 4.2.3.4-0xamarin2) which is nothing like the wheezy version number at all
3415 [20:58:36] <Enissay> I'm planning to install a fresh new version, but not before September, i'll have to live with this :-/
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3424 [21:02:09] <jmcnaught> Enissay: you can probably clean this up by removing the third-party repo you got mono from and then purging its packages, and replacing them with official Debian packages. Also Wheezy support is ending at the end of this month, you may want to use Wheezy-LTS (which is mostly going to cover server related packages) or upgrade to Jessie if you want security updates
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3428 [21:03:46] <Enissay> jmcnaught, how to do that without knowing what package is concerned, I've been using this server for more than 2 years, I have no idea what happened in the mean time xD
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3434 [21:05:16] <jmcnaught> Enissay: the package(s) concerend are the ones that apt is complaining about, like mono-develop
3435 [21:05:35] <greycat> mono-complete and mono-devel at the very least
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3437 [21:06:02] <jmcnaught> Enissay: it could be tricky if you have software depending on these mono packages, this is one of the risks of using third-party repos
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3440 [21:07:38] <Enissay> I've cleaned my sources.list to replaced-url
3441 [21:07:42] <Enissay> is that fine ?
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3446 [21:09:30] <jmcnaught> Enissay: that looks fine for now, but you could also have sources listed in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, also if you don't remember why you installed third-party mono packages in the first place, you could break whatever is using them, so be careful
3447 [21:10:27] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell Enissay about wheezy-lts
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3449 [21:10:50] <Enissay> I think I know why, it was some failed experience... we'll see, if all falls appart, maybe that's the push I need to make a fresh install :x
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3453 [21:11:39] <jmcnaught> Enissay: if downtime is a concern installing a fresh Jessie system and migrating services to it one by one might be a safer method than going full cowboy on your production server
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3457 [21:12:21] <Enissay> It's a personal server ;-)
3458 [21:12:49] <Enissay> And apt-get --purge remove mono-devel
3459 [21:12:49] <Enissay> gives the same damn error :-/
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3461 [21:14:05] <jmcnaught> Enissay: aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?archive(stable)))' <--- this command might help you figure out which packages aren't from Debian. Also can you make a paste of the command+output (and use replaced-url
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3464 [21:14:44] <Enissay> Oh, just found this "aptitude purge ~c" and it proposed to remove both packages... it's working...
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3466 [21:14:46] <syncrr> can the debian installer put the /boot partition on a usb stick and everything else (/, swap) on an encrypted lvm on the internal disk?
3467 [21:15:10] <syncrr> and would debian run fine with that setup? assuming that i always have the usb stick plugged in when i do anything that touches /boot.
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3476 [21:17:41] <syncrr> i have the normal encrypted lvm setup now (plaintext /boot, encrypted lvm with / and swap all on the internal disk) and i'd like to make the system unbootable without the usb stick.
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3484 [21:21:35] <dontknow> syncrr, i remember i saw a guide for that
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3488 [21:22:40] <syncrr> dontknow: any search term hints?
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3490 [21:23:39] <dontknow> syncrr, encrypted lvm, bootable usb stic, evil maid aattack
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3494 [21:26:21] <Enissay> Oh, it looks like it worked so far, my main application is still working, so i'll discover the damages later I guess, but it's good so far
3495 [21:26:41] <Enissay> jmcnaught, greycat thanks guys for your assistance <3
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3538 [21:49:10] <crayon> is there any way to restrict sftp to write/put only?
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3557 [21:59:40] <elusiveother> hello, i've installed atheme-services from debian's repos on debian 8.3, but it doesn't seem to have installed any of the auth modules
3558 [21:59:42] <Iridos> crayon, configure ChrootDirectory in sshd_config and make that directory write-only?
3559 [21:59:52] <elusiveother> has anyone run into this issue before?
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3562 [22:00:06] <Iridos> mmh. but that breaks ssh access
3563 [22:00:29] <greycat> He's getting answers in #openssh also.
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3565 [22:00:56] <markybob> how rude
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3572 [22:02:09] <Iridos> hopefully better ones, because ChrootDirectory breaks ssh access for everyone... so I don't see a great solution (perhaps a 2nd sshd run as a user on a 2nd port)
3573 [22:02:35] <crayon> i do appreciate your feedback Iridos
3574 [22:02:38] <crayon> thank you very much
3575 [22:02:38] <Iridos> that was quite easy to do with anonymous ftp, though
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3579 [22:03:41] <elusiveother> i've figured it out
3580 [22:03:45] <elusiveother> thank you
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3585 [22:04:44] <Iridos> elusiveother, was it /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/atheme/modules/nickserv/ ?
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3589 [22:06:07] <elusiveother> no, i tried to load from the wrong path. i put modules/auth/posix instead of /modules/crypto/posix
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3653 [22:34:53] <bamb> why do i get the same number every time i call random()?
3654 [22:35:11] <jgarvey> I have a Linux appliance (old debian based ~2.6.37 kernel) that NFS boots. I'd been using Ubuntu 12.04 as the NFS server, then I moved to Jessie, and now I have to restart the nfs-kernel-server on Jessie before the appliance will boot. This is almost 100% repeatable. Failure to restart the kernel server results in the appliance not finding its file system. I'm pretty good with Linux, but don't know much about NFS, and this has me stumped. I can't find anything
3655 [22:35:12] <jgarvey> to tune or tweak to fix this. Ideas?
3656 [22:35:15] <bamb> is it automatically seeded or something?
3657 [22:35:17] <greycat> because you didn't seed it with srandom()
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3660 [22:35:56] <bamb> greycat: how would i call those APIs?
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3662 [22:36:08] <greycat> If you can call random() then you can call srandom().
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3664 [22:36:21] <greycat> They even share a man page.
3665 [22:36:30] <bamb> yea im looking at that now
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3668 [22:36:44] <bamb> am i supposed to call srandom() INSTEAD of random()?
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3673 [22:37:23] <greycat> You call srandom once at the start of the program.
3674 [22:37:43] <AimHere> You also have to feed it a number that changes every time the program runs, like something derived from the time function
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3681 [22:40:07] <bamb> ok, so srandom(time(0)); random(); random(); random(); random();
3682 [22:40:08] <bamb> right?
3683 [22:40:26] <greycat> yes, essentially
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3688 [22:40:52] <AimHere> Yeah. The way that pseudorandom number generators work is that they just take a seed value, make a new seed with it and spit out a random number generator, and use that seed for the next random number
3689 [22:41:02] <AimHere> *spit out a random number
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3691 [22:41:04] <PryMar56> jgarvey, (cd /etc/systemd/system; mkdir -i nfs-kernel-server.service.d; cd nfs-k*; echo '[unit]\nAfter=network-online.target' > override.conf)
3692 [22:41:08] <greycat> Depends on the PRNG, but close enough.
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3695 [22:41:27] <PryMar56> jgarvey, mkdir -p
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3697 [22:41:56] <greycat> And CHECK the results of cd!!
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3699 [22:42:07] <greycat> (cd /foo || exit; mkdir -p blah; cd bar || exit; ...)
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3701 [22:42:20] <greycat> Never let a script continue running after a cd fails.
3702 [22:42:40] <PryMar56> jgarvey, its sloppy psuedo code
3703 [22:43:01] <jgarvey> PryMar56: Can you help me understand what this does? Is systemd interfering with NFS?
3704 [22:43:35] <bamb> ok thanks guys
3705 [22:43:36] <PryMar56> jgarvey, its sequence config so nfs-kernel-server starts after network is online
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3707 [22:44:24] <jgarvey> PryMar56: The Jessie server is up (day), then I reboot the appliance. This will affect that case?
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3710 [22:45:37] <PryMar56> jgarvey, override.conf should have 2 lines.. its pretty harmless
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3714 [22:45:59] <PryMar56> very little can go wrong, a lot can go right
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3718 [22:48:55] <PryMar56> jgarvey, to sanity check systemd, after the edit: systemctl daemon-reload
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3720 [22:49:04] <PryMar56> then check logs
3721 [22:49:28] <jgarvey> PryMar56: Already did, and tried 1st reboot successfully.
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3731 [22:52:59] <jgarvey> pryMar56: nope, 2nd reboot couldn't find the file system on the server
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3736 [22:54:31] <jgarvey> PryMar56: If you've got any other ideas or suggestions, I'd be interested.
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3742 [22:56:12] <PryMar56> jgarvey, systemctl status nfs-kernel-server <-- double check that override conf is inline
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3746 [22:58:07] <jgarvey> PryMar56: I see a line with Drop-In:...with the directory you had me create, and then some line graphics for override.conf underneath it.
3747 [22:58:33] <PryMar56> jgarvey, thats it. The config is used
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3757 [23:02:55] <DammitJim> is there a utility that will ensure that a samba mount is always available?
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3759 [23:03:04] <DammitJim> I don't know why I have some servers where I have an fstab entry
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3761 [23:03:16] <DammitJim> and I just checked some of those servers and the mount is not there
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3765 [23:03:44] <PryMar56> jgarvey, when the appliance boots any log info about nfs3 or nfs4 issues?
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3768 [23:05:07] <jgarvey> Prymar56: Definitely NFSv3.
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3771 [23:05:30] <jgarvey> PryMar56: definitely NFSv3
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3779 [23:08:42] <PryMar56> jgarvey, your firewall might open 2049 later than you think in boot sequence
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3781 [23:08:58] <CaptianFalcon> hey everyone, I'm having trouble with my apache configuration. mod_expires is listed as enabled, but I can't find the .conf file. All other enabled mods have .load and .conf, but it only has .conf. Should I just create it?
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3783 [23:09:39] <CaptianFalcon> it only has .load i mean
3784 [23:09:41] <jgarvey> PryMar56: No firewall. Server's up for days. So no timing at startup issues.
3785 [23:09:49] <unborn> guys is it okay to start cron job with very long time operation and leave it running? or I shall use something like nohup /command... in cron?
3786 [23:10:07] <jmcnaught> CaptianFalcon: some apache modules only have a .load file, no .conf file
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3788 [23:10:37] <jgarvey> PryMar56: Both boxes on same subnet
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3790 [23:11:13] <CaptianFalcon> jmcnaught: so how do I configure the settings of mod_expires?
3791 [23:11:19] <warsoul> help
3792 [23:11:32] <unborn> I mean instead of nohup I shall use & on end of the command.. ?
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3794 [23:12:01] <jmcnaught> CaptianFalcon: you could make a conf and put it in conf-available, then turn it on with a2enconf, or use the directives in VirtualHosts that they're relevant for
3795 [23:12:37] <PryMar56> jgarvey, showmount -e localhost <-- from nfs server
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3797 [23:13:14] <CaptianFalcon> jmcnaught: thank you!
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3802 [23:13:49] <jgarvey> PryMar56: Yes, NFS image is exported, and available to the world.
3803 [23:14:02] <DammitJim> anybody?
3804 [23:14:09] <CaptianFalcon> jmcnaught: if I'm configuring server-wide, does the same advice apply just in mods-available?
3805 [23:14:19] <jgarvey> PryMar56: Remember all I do is 'service nfs-kernel-server restart' to "fix" the problem.
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3809 [23:15:11] <jmcnaught> CaptianFalcon: i suppose you could put a .conf file in mods-available, but i think conf-available is a better place for local stuff.
3810 [23:15:47] <Kobaz> hey, trying to install audacity on wheezy: libgnutls30 : Conflicts: libhogweed2 but 2.7.1-5 is to be installed Conflicts: libnettle4 but 2.7.1-5 is to be installed
3811 [23:16:08] <CaptianFalcon> jmcnaught: great. thanks again
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3816 [23:17:24] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: if it's systemd you could check the status of the mount unit. "systemctl list-units -t mount" to get a list, then "systemctl status <mount name>". This should also show journal entries related to that mount
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3821 [23:18:07] <jgarvey> PryMar56: In addition, I use the PC-NFS in Windows7 to mount a different area from the same server, and it works without fail... my issue is that the Ubuntu 12.04 worked great. Jessie doesn't. Some incompatibity has been added that I need a way around.
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3823 [23:18:27] <markybob> Kobaz: that package isn't in wheezy. or jessie. so you messed your sources hugely
3824 [23:18:39] <markybob> !tell Kobaz about dontbreakdebian
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3826 [23:18:50] <markybob> Kobaz: read what the bot /msg'd you and don't do it again
3827 [23:18:55] <Kobaz> yeah yeah
3828 [23:18:57] <Kobaz> i'm familiar with that
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3830 [23:19:00] <PryMar56> jgarvey, how about rpc* services in jessie? are they healthy? systemctl list-unit-files | grep rpc
3831 [23:19:01] <Kobaz> i fixed it
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3833 [23:19:16] <markybob> Kobaz: so why ask?
3834 [23:19:30] <Kobaz> i thought i had everything situated
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3836 [23:19:38] <Kobaz> it wasn't fixed at the time i asked
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3838 [23:19:54] <jgarvey> PryMar56: just "rpcbind.target static"
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3840 [23:20:49] <ENOSPC> DammitJim maybe autofs can do that.. ?
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3843 [23:21:45] <DammitJim> autofs?
3844 [23:21:49] <DammitJim> hhmmm... thanks!
3845 [23:21:52] <DammitJim> I'll have to read up on that
3846 [23:22:40] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: checking your logs to see what's failing would be a better first step than introducing new software to your problem
3847 [23:22:55] <ENOSPC> best of luck to you. mounting remote shares over a flaky network link can be tricky :)
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3855 [23:30:17] <DammitJim> jmcnaught, what logs should I look at?
3856 [23:30:24] <DammitJim> I don't see anything about this mount
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3858 [23:30:31] <DammitJim> shoot
3859 [23:30:40] <DammitJim> or maybe it was never mounted after the last reboot 36 days ago
3860 [23:30:47] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: did the commands i recommend above show any log/journal entries?
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3862 [23:31:22] <DammitJim> jmcnaught, I just saw that I missed some of your comments
3863 [23:31:24] <DammitJim> let me read them
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3866 [23:32:21] <DammitJim> no systemd :(
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3871 [23:33:27] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: wheezy? did you try grepping /var/log/syslog for the name of the mount?
3872 [23:33:49] <DammitJim> yeah, wheezy
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3874 [23:34:03] <DammitJim> I did: in /var/log
3875 [23:34:12] <DammitJim> grep -ri RailUP *
3876 [23:34:17] <DammitJim> RailUP is part of the mount
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3880 [23:35:35] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: if it didn't find anything, perhaps the error happened so long ago it's be logrotated out if you have a lot of uptime and it hasn't been mounted this whole time
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3883 [23:35:56] <DammitJim> it found something about ureadahead
3884 [23:36:00] <DammitJim> not sure why
3885 [23:36:04] <markybob> DammitJim: i haven't been paying attention, but fyi, you know wheezy support ends in 6 days? then moves to LTS so security won't really be...great
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3889 [23:36:35] <DammitJim> markybob, yes, sir...!
3890 [23:36:42] <alioui_> hi i am trying to start a service but it always exit systemctl status service : Active: active (exited) ??
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3897 [23:37:34] <brigo> alioui_, it could be a good output if the service is a oneshot kind
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3905 [23:39:28] <alioui_> brigo : no process froked ps -C nutcracker ==> no output
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3907 [23:39:50] <alioui_> and there is nothing listen to port 22121
3908 [23:40:05] <alioui_> so idon't think so
3909 [23:40:13] <jmcnaught> alioui_: does the service have a systemd service unit, or is it using an LSB init script?
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3911 [23:40:35] <alioui_> lsb init
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3913 [23:40:58] <honey__> hello iam new to debian but i was trying to install iptables sudo apt-get install iptables it works fine but when i am trying to start by command"sudo /etc/init.d/iptables start" it doesnt work any help?
3914 [23:41:29] <jmcnaught> alioui_: systemd doesn't get enough information from LSB init scripts to know if it should run long term or is just a one-shot, that's why the unit reports active exited
3915 [23:42:13] <Whiskey> what about this error?
3916 [23:42:23] <Whiskey> wget: p11-kit: couldn't load module: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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3918 [23:42:36] <markybob> honey__: you don't start it. you just make rules.
3919 [23:43:03] <alioui_> jmcnaught even service nutcracker start is unable to start the service
3920 [23:43:51] <honey__> <markybob>were can i make rules in which directory?
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3922 [23:44:13] <jmcnaught> alioui_: service is just a wrapper for systemctl when systemd is used. i don't know nutcracker, but does the journal give any more clues why it won't start? Did it used to start, or did you just install it? Checked /usr/share/doc/nutcracker for debian specific instructions?
3923 [23:44:19] <markybob> honey__: there is no directory. you need to read some iptables tutorials. you just type iptables followed by the rules
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3926 [23:44:34] <markybob> honey__: also there is ##netfilter which is the home of iptables
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3928 [23:45:22] <markybob> honey__: more to the point, why do you think you need iptables?
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3932 [23:47:35] <honey__> markybob:i was following this instruction replaced-url
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3934 [23:47:59] <alioui_> jmcnaught it says the service is unable to find config file in /etc/nutcracker/nutcracker.yml but i already have a config file there
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3937 [23:48:33] <jhutchins> honey__: Read this: replaced-url
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3939 [23:48:56] <alioui_> nutcracker: configuration file '/etc/nutcracker/nutcracker.yml' syntax is ok
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3943 [23:49:22] <ironpillow> hi all, can someone link a blog/tutorial on how to install debian as domU. currently I have debian as dom0 on xen 4.6.0. thanks!
3944 [23:49:29] <jmcnaught> alioui_: is there a /etc/default/nutcracker file?
3945 [23:49:33] <jhutchins> alioui_: The error message may be because there is a lock file somewhere, try stopping the service to clean it up.
3946 [23:49:56] <jhutchins> alioui_: As far as the conf file goes, make sure it's named correctly and has the correct permissions; see what the default or configured file is.
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3950 [23:52:22] <alioui_> ok thanks errors start to come out 'permission problem to log file'
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3954 [23:54:22] <jhutchins> alioui_: Check for man pages that may explain how to run it. Also check /usr/share/doc/nucracker*/ for README files, especially README.debian
3955 [23:54:45] <alioui_> ok thanks
3956 [23:55:31] <jhutchins> alioui_: You might also check their webpage.
3957 [23:56:23] <jhutchins> alioui_: replaced-url
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