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• 4[00:01:41] <isifreek> if i plug in a different flash drive, i see the same symptoms
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• 16[00:05:54] <isifreek> will bad things happen if i delete /dev/sdg?
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• 18[00:06:11] <isifreek> (there was a flash drive plugged in, but ive since removed it)
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• 23[00:08:32] <isifreek> well i did... now when i plug in the flash drive nothing happens (and gparted cant find it)
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• 28[00:10:10] <isifreek> oh nice... one of my usb drives doesnt work now
• 29[00:10:23] <isifreek> ports*
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• 65[00:20:23] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: so no one knows whether copy & paste into a browser is platform specific right? But paste buffers are. So do all browsers translate automatically? Does the website do that?
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• 70[00:21:30] <isifreek> tharkun: me?
• 71[00:21:50] <tharkun> isifreek: nope, I am doing that ;P
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• 75[00:22:37] <isifreek> oh, hows tht workin for ya?
• 76[00:22:46] <tharkun> isifreek: use gparted to reformat your usb stick. You will need to trash whatever it is inside it. unless you have more than one partition.
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• 80[00:24:02] <isifreek> tharkun: the problem has evolved... if i plug the usb stick into a different port, then i cant fix it with gparted, but now that port doesnt seem to work
• 81[00:24:03] <tharkun> If so you will need to investigate using dmesg to see what the kernel is looking and probably mount it manually. In a nutshell copy whatever you've got on the usb if you care about it and then reformat it using gparte.
• 82[00:24:14] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: How the pastebuffer is interpreted is 100% up to whatever is receiving it. It can block special characters, translate them, interpret them.
• 83[00:24:24] <isifreek> "that port" == the original usb port i was using when i first started having issues
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• 85[00:24:44] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: so basically it depends entirely on the website.
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• 87[00:24:58] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: Then there's the question of what the server is running as it's back end. Is that going to handle/translate/interpret the text?
• 88[00:25:02] <jonathan_zz> jhutchins: thanks.
• 89[00:25:11] <jhutchins> Exactly, yes.
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• 91[00:25:59] <jonathan_zz> some server might transform the text in its pages, but it might also just transform the text only upon saving.
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• 93[00:26:34] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: Yes.
• 94[00:26:37] <tharkun> isifreek: Have you tried another machine. Just in case your hw is the one failing. It could also be the usb that is failing.
• 95[00:26:44] <tharkun> They do have a limited timestamp.
• 96[00:26:51] * tharkun has never kept one that long.
• 97[00:26:58] <jhutchins> jonathan_zz: These days most will filter escape sequences and special characters and just discard them.
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• 102[00:27:57] <isifreek> tharkun: i dont have another machine atm
• 103[00:28:06] <jhutchins> I had to write a text editor from scratch for my first C programming class. It's one of the reasons I'm not a programmer.
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• 105[00:28:21] <tharkun> Check with a different usb stick.
• 106[00:28:42] <isifreek> same thing... the usb sticks are fine as long as i dont use the broken port
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• 108[00:28:59] <tharkun> isifreek: There you go.
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• 111[00:29:28] <tharkun> Your stick might be broken beyond repair. And please nuke that port so you don't loose more info
• 112[00:29:29] <jhutchins> isifreek: I had one of my internal USB hubs fail a couple weeks ago. Had to move everything to new ports.
• 113[00:29:52] <kingsley> One of the things I like about open source software is it's end user agreements. They tend to be much simpler and less onerous than those of proprietary code.
• 114[00:29:58] <isifreek> jhutchins: I'm thinking I broke it somehow (i.e. this isnt a hw failure)
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• 118[00:31:09] <kingsley> Do you happen to know of a package that expedites understanding the legalese in typical end user license agreements?
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• 121[00:32:33] <isifreek> kingsley: proprietary or oss?
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• 128[00:34:20] <kingsley> isifreek: If I understand you correctly, 1.) I'm looking for an oss debian package that expedites understanding end user license agreements, and 2.) some AMD hardware has buggy USB ports.
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• 134[00:36:25] <axc1298> what's the correct way to install another language on debian, not for the debian interface, but so that documents in that language will render correctly instead of having gibberish?
• 135[00:36:37] <jhutchins> kingsley: The application is known as a "law degree".
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• 137[00:36:57] <kingsley> I suppose a free online tool that expedites understanding end user license legalese might be OK too.
• 138[00:37:21] <cafuego> axc1298: You'll just need a font for said language, i think.
• 139[00:37:35] <isifreek> kingsley: kinda 1) try tldrlegal.com 2) not really
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• 141[00:38:07] <kingsley> axc1298: I think you might find some interesting info by searching Google's indices for ... debian localize.
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• 143[00:38:46] <kingsley> axc1298: or maybe even ... debian localize language
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• 146[00:39:25] <jhutchins> !tell axc1298 about localle
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• 149[00:39:39] <axc1298> cafuego: cafuego thanks
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• 152[00:40:04] <jhutchins> !tell axc1298 about locale
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• 154[00:40:43] <kingsley> isifreek: Thanks. tldrlegal.com was interesting, if not necessarily a solution.
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• 156[00:40:58] <axc1298> i don't to change my locale or system language, just view a document in another language
• 157[00:41:01] <axc1298> jhutchins: thanks
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• 163[00:43:08] <jhutchins> axc1298: Like cafuego said, that's mostly a matter of having the right font/encoding available.
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• 165[00:43:39] <axc1298> ok. then the issue must be with the document i downloaded because i installed the language and the text is still messed up
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• 172[00:45:40] <kingsley> axc1298: You may already know this, but I seem to recall being told by a localization guy that some PDF files have the fonts they need embedded in them, and others require them to be installed on your computer.
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• 175[00:46:17] <cafuego> axc1298: Just to check - the language the document is in doesn't use the latin alphabet?
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• 177[00:46:27] <kingsley> axc1298: I also seem to recall that there's a tool and/or menu item that shows you font info for a certain PDF.
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• 191[00:54:36] <axc1298> cafuego: it doesn't use latin alphabet
• 192[00:54:40] <axc1298> kingsley: it's a .txt file
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• 194[00:54:53] <unborn> ehrm guys is there any way very fast way to create live usb from standard debian iso? terminal preferred heh
• 195[00:54:59] <kingsley> axc1298: Oooo...
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• 198[00:55:43] <cafuego> axc1298: Ok, then you'll need a font that contains characters for the language *and* make sure that the app you're using to view the document can use that font.
• 199[00:55:53] <kingsley> axc1298: So, do you know which language it's supposed to be in?
• 200[00:55:58] <unborn> aha dd command is that correct?
• 201[00:56:04] <axc1298> cafuego: ok thanks
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• 203[00:56:43] <axc1298> kingsley: yea, i'll figure it out thanks. i think it's most likely an issue of the file being messed up and they need to re-send it to me
• 204[00:56:44] <cafuego> axc1298: if you're using 'more' or 'less' then you should generate the locale files for that language and do a local override on the shell; ie: 'LC_ALL=lg_LG less foo.txt'
• 205[00:56:57] <allizom> unborn: yes
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• 207[00:57:23] <kingsley> unborn: I'd need to search Google's indices to be sure, but i seem to recall a package for writing ISOs to USBs.
• 208[00:58:12] <allizom> replaced-url
• 209[00:58:14] <markybob> not while on linux. if you already have a linux box use dd or cp image.iso /dev/sdX per the install guide that no one reads for some reason
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• 211[00:58:47] <kingsley> axc1298: Sometimes I just paste a line of that stuff into Google and see what comes back.
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• 215[00:59:35] <unborn> allizom: markybob thanks.. I am on linux like usual but on this machine heh its not debian and I need to test things properly.. thank you :)
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• 218[00:59:57] <unborn> kingsley: im sorted thank you.
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• 224[01:03:29] <mutante> on jessie, i see openjdk-7 and openjdk-8. is any of them more "default" than the other? is there a meta-package without the version in the name?
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• 226[01:04:09] <unborn> heh kazam is in repos? wow
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• 228[01:04:42] <markybob> mutante: there's default-jdk which points to 7 right now
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• 233[01:05:18] <mutante> markybob: thank you, i was somehow expecting "openjdk" be a meta package, that's exactly what i wanted
• 234[01:05:55] <awwal> mutante, both of them are coexisting here. I installed 7 then 8 were installed auto but 7 wasn't removed automatically. I dont really understand why. Probably some pkgs requires 7 and other 8. I would like to understand all that xD
• 235[01:06:28] <awwal> mutante, excuses. I got confused. I thought I was in # ddebian.next
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• 237[01:06:44] <awwal> forget what I said xD
• 238[01:06:57] <mutante> heh, ok, i just need this for "gitblit" on a jessie
• 239[01:07:01] <mutante> 7 it is
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• 251[01:11:26] <tharkun> does Debian 8 i386 handle more than 3GB ram?
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• 255[01:12:19] <tharkun> Isue, I have an amd64 that I need to run some propietary software that seems to run only on 32 bit systems. As per dpkg factoid I am better off installing i386.
• 256[01:12:26] <mutante> tharkun: there should be a "force PAE" boot option
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• 259[01:12:42] <tharkun> mutante: Where?
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• 261[01:15:09] <mutante> tharkun: i cant seem to find it on Debian wiki, so i apologize but use the Ubuntu link
• 262[01:15:18] <mutante> replaced-url
• 263[01:15:29] <mutante> that is what i meant anyways
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• 265[01:17:05] <markybob> tharkun: in jessie you just install linux-image-3.16.0-4-686-pae then reboot
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• 273[01:21:21] <markybob> unborn: netinst on usb3 i can see that. want to show the exact command you used?
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• 279[01:22:55] <markybob> unborn: yeah you fucked that up
• 280[01:23:12] <isuldor> on wheezy, if I create a user with adduser, will I need to do something so their crontabs run? I tried adding jobs to crontab as the user, but they don't run
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• 283[01:23:17] <markybob> unborn: don't use partition number. use device. so just /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1
• 284[01:23:41] <unborn> ah :)
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• 287[01:23:55] <unborn> aint been used that command few years now :)
• 288[01:23:57] <markybob> unborn: run sync after
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• 297[01:27:49] <unborn> yeah this seems to working now.. markybob is that need to be run? i mean sync
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• 302[01:28:29] <markybob> unborn: yes. as soon as it's done just type sync
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• 304[01:29:01] <unborn> yeah sure
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• 307[01:29:17] <cafuego> for sync in s y n c; do sync; done
• 308[01:29:26] <markybob> heh
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• 312[01:29:51] <markybob> unborn: anyway, smoke break for me ;) i'm sure someone will take over
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• 315[01:30:38] <unborn> markybob: I will write docs for my self lol god I cannot believe I forgot basic like that.. enjoy your nicotine :)
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• 393[02:03:03] <DeaDSouL> Hi Debians ;)
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• 396[02:06:00] <iKarith> that makes me feel all 1984 ...
• 397[02:06:10] <iKarith> RICHARD STALLMAN IS WATCHING YOU, etc. ;)
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• 405[02:08:31] <iKarith> still only mostly sure I've got this udev stuff sorted
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• 423[02:15:33] <AIDS123> how do I list my already installed packages that are backportable, I don't plan to upgrade them all but I'd like to know which ones I can without having to look through 100s of packages
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• 435[02:21:28] <markybob> AIDS123: there's no command for that for a reason. for example, if you right now upgrade to all packages in jessie-backports and then try to upgrade to stretch once it's stable...you'll be in a ton of pain
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• 437[02:22:23] <jmcnaught> actually "aptitude search ~i~Ajessie-backports" probably does it
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• 456[02:31:05] <dgarnold> in debian 8.4.0 stable in kde, after installing kde-config-touchpad and enabling one finger tapping in the settings it seems to apply the changes but they aren't saved. after I reboot the settings are gone. anyone know why this might be?
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• 493[02:54:39] <countbackula> dgarnold- what computer/laptop are you using?
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• 496[02:56:00] <dgarnold> countbackula: lenovo b570 laptop
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• 498[02:57:53] <countbackula> did it work before you had upgraded?
• 499[02:58:07] <dgarnold> countbackula: no, its never worked
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• 510[03:02:32] <dgarnold> countbackula: have you ever encountered this problem?
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• 512[03:02:38] <countbackula> dgarnold: did you install any non-free firmware?
• 513[03:02:45] <dgarnold> countbackula: yeah
• 514[03:02:55] <dgarnold> countbackula: i installed from a non-free live image of 8.4.0
• 515[03:03:05] <countbackula> The synaptics Touchpad software?
• 516[03:03:06] <dgarnold> because my nic requires non-free drivers
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• 518[03:03:37] <dgarnold> countbackula: i'm not sure.. unless it installs it automatically
• 519[03:03:48] <administrator123> in debian what does non-free mean
• 520[03:04:09] <dgarnold> countbackula: i just have this installed with synaptic in the name: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
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• 522[03:04:20] <jmcnaught> administrator123: it means it doesn't meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines
• 523[03:04:30] <countbackula> dgarnold: the non-free live image you used-- do you have the details of the non-free firmware it included?
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• 525[03:05:18] <administrator123> so if its non free that means you have to pay for the download
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• 528[03:05:51] <countbackula> admin123: no, it just means that that the code is not open
• 529[03:05:53] <dgarnold> countbackula: no but i know i am using BCM4727 for my nic
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• 531[03:06:30] <administrator123> so your telling me if its free you can change source code
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• 533[03:06:59] <countbackula> dgarnold: that's a wireless driver- is your wireless connection working... at least? lol
• 534[03:07:09] <dgarnold> countbackula: yea
• 535[03:07:18] <jmcnaught> administrator123: replaced-url
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• 540[03:08:07] <countbackula> admin123: yes, they're read-only files, so writing permissions are out of the picture
• 541[03:08:24] <countbackula> jmcnaught: thanks for the link
• 542[03:09:42] <countbackula> dgarnold: did you apt-get the synaptic package you mention? Or was it included in your live image
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• 545[03:10:43] <dgarnold> countbackula: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics was included but i had to install kde-config-touchpad
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• 551[03:13:43] <remote> I'm re-installing systemd and think I forgot at least one place where I enforced sysvinit when I switched to it -- does anyone know if init is defined somewhere else than in the bootloader?
• 552[03:14:21] <remote> if I remember correctly it was in a text or ncurse dialog type of debian config
• 553[03:14:23] <dgarnold> countbackula: the touchpad works fine it's just the kde settings for some reason won't stick.. it's strange
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• 557[03:16:27] <countbackula> dgarnold: can you run "# dmesg | more" and look for any hardwares listed related to it?
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• 561[03:16:57] <countbackula> dgarnold: dmesg will list the hardware detected when you boot
• 562[03:17:08] <dgarnold> countbackula: psmouse serio1: synaptics: queried max coordinates: x [..5728], y [..4902]
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• 564[03:17:19] <dgarnold> countbackula: psmouse serio1: synaptics: Touchpad model: 1, fw: 7.5, id: 0x1e0b1, caps: 0xd00073/0x240000/0xa0400, board id: 1695, fw id: 752809
• 565[03:17:37] <remote> ~help
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• 567[03:19:03] <countbackula> dgarnold: there's a bug report with your problem for Lenovo T460s-- have a look through it replaced-url
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• 569[03:19:11] <dgarnold> ok
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• 572[03:19:38] <dgarnold> thank you countbackula
• 573[03:20:06] <remote> ~sysvinit
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• 576[03:20:57] <countbackula> dgarnold: no problem! hope I lead you in the right direction haha
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• 600[03:34:55] <Padawan> If i start using debian, whenever it releases a new version is it the common thing to do a clean install?
• 601[03:35:02] <Padawan> for desktop i mean
• 602[03:35:48] <Padawan> I come from a osx background where i never had to format my machine, now i gota use linux and im trying to chose a distro
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• 604[03:38:07] <dvs> Padawan, quite the opposite. You don't start from scratch. There are release notes that tells you how to upgrade to the next version.
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• 606[03:38:24] <twobitsprite> Padawan: Debian supports in-place upgrades from one major version to the next... refer to the release notes for a specific guide on upgrading.
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• 610[03:38:43] <twobitsprite> dvs: you type faster than me
• 611[03:38:58] <dvs> twobitsprite, meh, too much practice
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• 615[03:40:20] <twobitsprite> !upgrade
• 616[03:40:20] <dpkg> i heard upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <squeeze->wheezy> <wheezy->jessie>.
• 617[03:40:52] <Padawan> I has to ask cuz friends of mine that used ubuntu had the costume to clean install whenever a new version came out
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• 619[03:41:19] <Padawan> So if i read the release notes i should be able to upgrade it
• 620[03:41:20] <twobitsprite> Padawan: that sounds like something Windows people do
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• 622[03:41:36] <dvs> Padawan, yes
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• 624[03:42:12] <twobitsprite> Padawan: I've been running the same system since Potato 16 years ago
• 625[03:42:39] <countbackula> I frown at the fact they're entirely missing the magic of apt-get
• 626[03:42:56] <twobitsprite> countbackula: <- what this man says
• 627[03:43:07] <Padawan> twobitsprite: i was a child lol. Okay that makes me happy.
• 628[03:43:08] <twobitsprite> (and/or woman?)
• 629[03:43:28] <countbackula> idk what gender is Nosferatu?
• 630[03:43:38] <twobitsprite> Padawan: the image/HDD has migrated to newer hardware several times, but yeah...
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• 632[03:43:50] <twobitsprite> countbackula: all genders...?
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• 634[03:43:58] <twobitsprite> simultaneously?
• 635[03:44:02] <countbackula> cool then me too
• 636[03:44:05] <twobitsprite> ok
• 637[03:45:05] <Padawan> twobitsprite: how can you migrate an hdd/image to a new hardwate and boot the system tho? Asking about the hardware drivers dependencies mostly
• 638[03:45:38] <Padawan> just out of curiosity
• 639[03:45:45] <twobitsprite> Padawan: Linux is surprisingly nimble like that... sometimes you have to hack around with drivers, but that hasn't really been an issue for some years now
• 640[03:45:57] <dvs> Padawan, as long as the architecture is similar, it works pretty much automatically
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• 642[03:46:20] <twobitsprite> For example, x.org has been able to automatically determine display drivers and resolution/refresh capabilities for at least 4-5 years now
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• 644[03:46:24] <Padawan> Well, that is something else
• 645[03:47:20] <Padawan> I think ill like linux then. I just want to use my system, i hate to install and configure it.
• 646[03:47:27] <twobitsprite> the modprobe, et al, system is pretty good at probing hardware to see which modules are compatible with available hardware
• 647[03:48:05] <dvs> Padawan, well, the hardest part is configuring it initally, after that, it's pretty stable.
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• 649[03:48:41] <twobitsprite> dvs: it's really not that hard... unless you have specific needs, like custom partitioning, etc.
• 650[03:49:06] <dvs> twobitsprite, except for wireless stuff, that can be hairy.
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• 654[03:49:39] <twobitsprite> dvs: true...
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• 656[03:50:01] <twobitsprite> dvs: I run a desktop/tower with ethernet connection to my router... wireless is slow and flaky...
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• 659[03:50:38] <twobitsprite> my laptop runs Mint LMDE, and it does a pretty good job of auto-detecting my wireless and has pretty good GUI support, etc
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• 661[03:51:01] <dvs> blasphemy!
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• 663[03:51:10] <twobitsprite> I haven't had to do anything hokey with wireless in a while now... but I'm sure it depends on hardware
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• 666[03:51:30] <twobitsprite> dvs: I know, I'm not a Debian puritan. My piety is lacking.
• 667[03:51:37] * twobitsprite flagelates himself
• 668[03:51:46] <dvs> twobitsprite, yes, wireless really depends on hardware.
• 669[03:52:13] <twobitsprite> best bet is to research the hardware before buying it...
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• 672[03:52:58] <Padawan> thanks for the info/encouragement guys. Realy apreciated.
• 673[03:52:58] <twobitsprite> 90+% of hardware is well-supported buy linux and existing GUI tools... 10% causes problems with weird firmwares, proprietary drivers, etc...
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• 678[03:53:51] <twobitsprite> Padawan: I recommend Linux Mint (either the main Ubuntu-based edition, or the Debian edition "LMDE")
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• 682[03:54:33] <twobitsprite> I know the Debian puritans will slap me for saying that, but pure Debian is kind of advanced... It's very powerful and flexible, but not always the most intuitive for newcomers.
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• 684[03:54:54] <karlpinc> twobitsprite: Depends on what you want to do. (Just jumped in here....)
• 685[03:55:03] <twobitsprite> I run pure Debian on my servers, and LMDE on most of my workstations/laptops
• 686[03:55:26] <twobitsprite> karlpinc: that might be provisionally true, depending on what exactly you mean by that
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• 688[03:56:06] <karlpinc> twobitsprite: What is he trying to do?
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• 690[03:56:23] <twobitsprite> karlpinc: he's looking for a stable and usable desktop OS
• 691[03:56:36] <twobitsprite> at least, that's what I've gathered.
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• 693[03:56:56] <Padawan> yeah, mostly that.
• 694[03:57:03] <twobitsprite> karlpinc: ^
• 695[03:57:55] <karlpinc> Well.... There's always OS/X. Otherwise, buy something with Debian pre-installed. All the fuss and bother is usually with setting things up.
• 696[03:57:57] <markybob> i just connected but i don't see why debian can't be a stable and usable desktop.
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• 698[03:58:04] <twobitsprite> Padawan: what do you use your PC for mostly? Is there any specific software you depend on? Or is it mostly just web browsing, email, social media, etc?
• 699[03:58:25] <markybob> i use debian on my laptop just fine
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• 701[03:59:28] <twobitsprite> markybob: I've been running Debian for over 15 years now, so I'm not bashing anything. I merely recommended something like Mint LMDE as a starting platform for a new user.
• 702[03:59:41] <Padawan> twobitsprite: besides browsing, and the general multimedia stuff, learn and pratice programming, mostly general stuff.
• 703[04:00:09] <markybob> Padawan: debian provides all of that
• 704[04:00:39] <Padawan> twobitsprite: would you say debian will be more stable than the mint flavour?
• 705[04:01:09] <Padawan> cuz im looking mostly for that, and i would pay the price to learn the hard way for it
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• 707[04:01:22] <karlpinc> Padawan: No matter what you use unless you get something pre-installed if you've no linux experience you're going to need to learn. The thing to decide is, how are you going to learn? Debian often asks you to read, and wants you to do it "the right way". Many other distros let you do "whatever" following random advice on the internet etc., and eventually you're expected to throw away your install and re-install something new.
• 708[04:01:24] <markybob> yes, i think debian would be more stable
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• 711[04:02:11] <twobitsprite> Padawan: well, you have to realize, that Debian isn't *just* an OS... For example, there's Debian Stable, which is a published and supported operating system, but it won't always have the latest software or drivers.
• 712[04:02:32] <Padawan> huh
• 713[04:02:39] <markybob> which makes it stable/secure
• 714[04:02:41] <twobitsprite> Padawan: then you have the option of running Debian Testing, which is more up to date, but occasionally you have to deal with breakages
• 715[04:02:43] <karlpinc> Padawan: We have pretty good support in this channel. And in the mailing lists. You'll get people who know what they're doing helping you. So it's not all reading.
• 716[04:02:47] <markybob> that's the debian way
• 717[04:02:47] <twobitsprite> !breakage
• 718[04:03:07] <markybob> twobitsprite: you're getting a bit off topic here mate
• 719[04:03:21] <twobitsprite> markybob: how?
• 720[04:03:23] <Padawan> What do you mean by old software tho? Like, for instance i want to have python installed. wont they have the python 3.4?
• 721[04:03:49] <markybob> twobitsprite: telling people to walk away for no reason. this is a debian support channel. not a push people to arch channel
• 722[04:03:52] <Padawan> ill try it out guys
• 723[04:04:02] <karlpinc> But people will tell you where to go to read. This is not as easy as it sounds, since you'll need to learn how to use the "reading tools". (less, man, info, + the browser for full-on manuals.)
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• 727[04:04:11] <twobitsprite> markybob: who said anything about arch?
• 728[04:04:17] <markybob> Padawan: jessie has 3.5
• 729[04:04:22] <markybob> Padawan: i'm sorry, 3.4
• 730[04:04:25] <Padawan> Oh, im a unix guy already
• 731[04:04:43] <twobitsprite> markybob: I was explaining the difference between Stable and Testing...
• 732[04:04:46] <Padawan> I used osx tho, but i lived under my terminal
• 733[04:04:56] <karlpinc> Padawan: Then you won't have too much trouble.
• 734[04:05:27] <markybob> twobitsprite: mint.
• 735[04:05:37] <karlpinc> Padawan: You will need to learn how to find and install packages. Talking to the bot will help. (Try "/msg dpkg grounding" in irc to talk to the bot.)
• 736[04:05:52] <twobitsprite> Padawan: whatever distro/version you decide, I recommend just taking the plunge and learning as you go... If it's Debian, come here when you have any questions, and we'll be happy to help.
• 737[04:06:02] <twobitsprite> markybob: what's wrong with mint?
• 738[04:06:14] <markybob> twobitsprite: it's not debian. off topic. that's it.
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• 741[04:06:45] <twobitsprite> markybob: I'm not "supporting" mint here, I'm just giving a newbie some options.....
• 742[04:06:46] <Padawan> You guys no need to argue over me, ill be fine i guess. Unless i wont. chuckles
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• 744[04:07:10] <Padawan> yeah i see his point
• 745[04:07:26] <Padawan> i thank you all for support
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• 748[04:07:32] <karlpinc> Padawan: emacs or vi. (Use one. But don't tell anyone what it is. We don't want to go there. ;-)
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• 751[04:07:52] <dvs> !start an editor war
• 752[04:07:53] <dpkg> joe users need to get a life!
• 753[04:07:54] <twobitsprite> I mean, is it sacrelige to mention other distros in #debian? Are we so insecure that we can't acknowledge the strengths/weaknesses of derivative distros?
• 754[04:08:04] <twobitsprite> dvs: +1
• 755[04:08:21] <twobitsprite> !ubuntu
• 756[04:08:21] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
• 757[04:08:26] <twobitsprite> !mint
• 758[04:08:26] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
• 759[04:08:37] <markybob> twobitsprite: it's not sacrelige. it's offtopic. there is #debian-offtopic for such talks. go there
• 760[04:08:45] <Padawan> karlpinc: i already chose my side of the force, and i already built my lightsaber regarding my editor lol
• 761[04:08:46] <karlpinc> twobitsprite: Well... We want to dedicate our bandwidth to solving debian problems.
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• 763[04:08:51] <markybob> twobitsprite: direct people there if you must. this is support for debian
• 764[04:09:14] <twobitsprite> markybob: get a life, I'm having an open-ended conversation with a guest in this channel about Linux distros, and it is in no way interferring with other conversations.
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• 766[04:09:34] <markybob> !tell twobitsprite about ot
• 767[04:09:44] <markybob> twobitsprite: follow the rules. i didn't make them.
• 768[04:10:01] <karlpinc> twobitsprite: Not so. Somebody can't come here and skim through the backhistory looking to help somebody when there's a whole lot of open-ended conversation going on.
• 769[04:10:05] <twobitsprite> !tell markybob about bite me
• 770[04:10:08] <Padawan> ccomon, why are we arguing over that
• 771[04:10:20] <Padawan> he was being helpful
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• 774[04:11:04] <twobitsprite> karlpinc: I've been paying close attention and if anyone else chimed in with a question most specific to debian, I would have quickly stopped other conversation and helped that person.
• 775[04:11:46] <markybob> don't see how that'd help with backhistory
• 776[04:11:49] <twobitsprite> I am all about keeping things on topic, but in the meantime, while the channel is otherwise idle, I see no harm in having a slightly more general conversation about distros.
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• 779[04:11:58] <karlpinc> twobitsprite: I'll be on #debian-offtopic if you want to continue to chat.
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• 781[04:12:28] <twobitsprite> k
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• 783[04:13:22] <Padawan> I think if anything else it was all my fault guys. Maybe i used #debian to search for a distro in my lack of better knowing about things.
• 784[04:14:42] <dvs> Padawan, you were asking about Debian but someone recommended another distro.
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• 787[04:16:45] <twobitsprite> does anyone here have an outstanding question about Debian that they are awaiting an answer to?
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• 795[04:19:46] <karlpinc> Guest66446: Asking about distro's is not entirely off-topic, but it can get close to the edge and pass over pretty easily. We want to help people with debian.
• 796[04:20:52] <ryouma> i just came in, but thre is a linux channel too
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• 806[04:25:37] <jml2> ryouma, so the disk-id thing again eh? for 3rd night ?
• 807[04:26:00] <ryouma> jml2: go away
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• 812[04:29:29] <jml2> ryouma, you don't even use debian. You said so the other night. So why are you here?
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• 815[04:30:12] <ryouma> !ops jml2
• 816[04:30:13] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ryouma complains about: jml2
• 817[04:30:18] <ryouma> trolling
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• 858[05:05:36] <jim> ryouma, so do you run debian, or not?
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• 860[05:06:40] <ryouma> jim: assuming you aren't the troll in question, i have run debian since woody or before, and have never run any other linux distro, although i have run many unix distros :)
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• 862[05:07:10] <ryouma> probably woody, when it was testing
• 863[05:07:11] <jim> ok, so you're saying you -are- running debian
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• 865[05:08:10] <ryouma> jim: beg pardon? was i not clear?
• 866[05:08:34] <jmcnaught> jim: there's no need for that.
• 867[05:08:48] <jim> just about this moment
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• 870[05:09:51] <ryouma> i do not claim to be any type of expert at debian, however
• 871[05:10:01] <ryouma> (and am not)
• 872[05:10:32] <jmcnaught> in case it's not clear, ryouma didn't say or do anything and just out of the blue got accused of not running Debian. I'm pretty sure that they do since we've helped each other on numerous occassions, and I have found ryouma to be quite respectful and pleasant to be around. I *don't* think this channel is the kind of place where we should be harassing people like that.
• 873[05:10:51] <ryouma> jmcnaught: thank you
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• 876[05:11:15] <jim> jmcnaught, ok. I was following up on a notification
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• 878[05:12:36] <jim> ryouma, jml2, you may wish to /ignore each other... that would solve the problem
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• 880[05:12:55] <jmcnaught> jim: i didn't realize that you were an op here, maybe you should check on the person that ryouma was complaining about.
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• 882[05:13:07] <jim> no, I'm not,
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• 884[05:13:37] <jim> but I receive notifications, and maybe I can solve a small problem and pull load off the #debian ops
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• 887[05:14:59] <jim> jmcnaught, it's a tiny squabble...
• 888[05:15:35] <ryouma> hard to call it a squabble when all i did to get accused was join the channel :)
• 889[05:15:38] <jmcnaught> jim: i agree, i only said something because first i see someone getting harassed, and then i see someone else piling on
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• 893[05:17:40] <jim> I wasn't actually viewing the channel at the time, just heard the (bang)ops from asm
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• 895[05:18:10] <jim> better watch out for his right!
• 896[05:19:06] <jim> probably the best solution (if one is even needed) is to relax and breathe
• 897[05:19:22] <ryouma> will user crontab stick around forever or are we supposed to migrate to a systemd equivalent?
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• 899[05:19:38] <cafuego> markybob for president!
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• 901[05:20:38] <markybob> ryouma: i seriously cannot forsee crontab going away in the near future
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• 903[05:21:23] <jim> ryouma, do you need the user? or to know what username to substitute?
• 904[05:21:37] <koollman> markybob: just like sysvinit could not go away ? :/
• 905[05:21:55] <markybob> koollman: i said near. things happen in the long term. who knows?
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• 911[05:23:14] <ryouma> are people changing their personal crontabs to systemd or just sticking with crontab?
• 912[05:23:40] <markybob> for now i'm sticking with crontab
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• 914[05:25:32] <jim> ryouma (or anyone): does systemd try to replace the whole crontab functionality?
• 915[05:26:13] <markybob> jim: no. but the timer function tries kinda sorta
• 916[05:26:25] <markybob> timers*
• 917[05:26:27] <ryouma> no idea, which is why i'm asking. the arch wiki page suggests it can probably do most of what crontab does.
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• 920[05:27:02] <markybob> it certainly can
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• 922[05:27:53] <ryouma> seems in both cases you have to run a command, can't just have a dot file or something
• 923[05:28:20] <jim> ok, so crontab might start using something different in the way of timers in order to know when to fire off its jobs?
• 924[05:29:04] <markybob> jim: it might move to that, sure. not in the near future. so for now i use crontab.
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• 927[05:29:56] <jim> it doesn't even seem like such a change would be visible (or problematic) for crontab users
• 928[05:30:43] <markybob> s/would/should
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• 936[05:34:13] <jim> ryouma, -and-, crontab could just make an internal (and mostly invisible) change towards using systemd timers... and, I don't see even that happening soon, as it looks like the debian devs may be unsure as to whether systemd is in use at any given time... maybe the user requested to go back to sysv, and given that as a possibility (it's a boot option right now), crond should probably stay with what it's doing
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• 990[05:52:29] <TheQuestionmark> Clementine got an update?!
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• 992[05:53:45] <markybob> TheQuestionmark: in upstream
• 993[05:53:45] <shaun413> Clementine??
• 994[05:53:49] <shaun413> What's that
• 995[05:54:00] <markybob> it's the amarok fork
• 996[05:54:05] <shaun413> Ok
• 997[05:54:13] <TheQuestionmark> shaun413: Basically Amarok1.4 continued.
• 998[05:54:39] <shaun413> Dunmo what that is. But ok and ahnals
• 999[05:54:43] <shaun413> Thanks
• 1000[05:54:47] <TheQuestionmark> markybob: Awesome! You think this can be compiled on stable?
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• 1004[05:55:35] <TheQuestionmark> shaun413: Music players written in qt and therefore aimed to work well with KDE although it also does a good job on gtk environments.
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• 1006[05:56:25] <markybob> TheQuestionmark: i have no idea
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• 1020[06:03:42] <TheQuestionmark> Well obviously it needs qt4 dev files.
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• 1028[06:08:18] <markybob> TheQuestionmark: i'd basically do apt-get build-dep amarok then hope for the best
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• 1032[06:09:57] <TheQuestionmark> markybob: Yea, I'd even go straight for build-dep clementine, however, I have an issue with the deps on libgl1-mesa-dev right now that can't be installed.
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• 1036[06:11:06] <markybob> TheQuestionmark: oh, my bad. i didn't realize it was in debian. i've just always used debian and was aware that it existed :P
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• 1038[06:11:28] <markybob> TheQuestionmark: amarok*
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• 1099[06:30:52] <judd> Package: gnome on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; sid: 1:3.14+4; stretch: 1:3.14+4
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• 1103[06:34:01] <judd> Package: cinnamon on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.16-5; stretch: 2.8.7-1; sid: 2.8.7-1
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• 1214[07:48:25] <awk> Hi, can someone please assist. replaced-url
• 1215[07:49:31] <hiya> Sir, I have a problem with VNC client on Debian
• 1216[07:49:40] <hiya> it loses VNC connection when we reboot the VM
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• 1218[07:49:50] <hiya> even with host VNC
• 1219[07:50:00] <hiya> and not something like VNC server no my VM
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• 1267[08:09:48] <hermande> I'm having troubles with the recent Samba Security fix. I can't seem to get proper AD auth without installing winbindd on the DC. Any suggestions?
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• 1335[08:41:37] <shann_> Hi
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• 1437[09:40:01] <MeanEYE> Any solution for installing Skype? It requires libssl1.0.0 which is not installable as I have libssl1.0.2
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• 1443[09:41:57] <jimm> , v skype
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• 1445[09:41:58] <judd> No package named 'skype' was found in amd64.
• 1446[09:42:15] <MeanEYE> There is no 64bit Skype.
• 1447[09:42:59] <jimm> , v skype arch=i386
• 1448[09:43:00] <judd> No package named 'skype' was found in amd64.
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• 1451[09:43:37] <shann_> MeanEYE, you have installed libssl1.0.0 ?
• 1452[09:43:44] <jimm> that didnt do anything... judd is themill's bot,
• 1453[09:43:48] <MeanEYE> No. libssl1.0.2 is the only one available.
• 1454[09:44:18] <jelly> MeanEYE: which debian release are you using?
• 1455[09:44:21] <jelly> ,v libssl1.0.0
• 1456[09:44:22] <MeanEYE> Testing.
• 1457[09:44:23] <judd> Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; jessie: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1.0.1k-3+deb8u4; sid: 1.0.2d-1
• 1458[09:44:33] <jelly> ,v libssl1.0.2
• 1459[09:44:34] <shann_> judd :-)
• 1460[09:44:34] <judd> Package: libssl1.0.2 on amd64 -- sid: 1.0.2g-1; stretch: 1.0.2g-1
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• 1462[09:44:55] <epicCane> Is there a way to get active directory on linux
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• 1464[09:45:18] <MeanEYE> For some reason Skype absolutely must have 1.0.0, which is about to change anyway with security updates.
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• 1468[09:45:40] <rozie> MeanEYE: you can force package installation
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• 1471[09:45:52] <rozie> or repack changing dependency
• 1472[09:45:57] <jelly> MeanEYE: pick it either from sid or from snapshot.debian.org
• 1473[09:46:08] <MeanEYE> 1.0.0?
• 1474[09:46:17] <jelly> rozie: forcing won't change the library's soname
• 1475[09:46:20] <MeanEYE> Can I even have two different version of same library at the same time?
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• 1477[09:46:31] <jelly> MeanEYE: sure
• 1478[09:46:42] <MeanEYE> Ooh, okay. THanks. Will look into that.
• 1479[09:46:45] <jelly> as long as they're in different package names and have a different soname
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• 1481[09:46:51] <rozie> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libc6 (>= 2.7), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libqt4-dbus (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-network (>= 4:4.8.0), libqt4-xml (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.7.0~beta1), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.8.0), libqtwebkit4 (>= 2.1.0~2011week13), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), libx11-6, libxext6, libxss1, libxv1, libssl1.0.0, libpulse0, libasound2-plugins
• 1482[09:47:04] <jelly> also
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• 1484[09:47:08] <jelly> !debian-next
• 1485[09:47:08] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1488[09:47:16] <rozie> here's dependecy of my skype-debian_4.3.0.37-1_i386.deb
• 1489[09:47:25] <jelly> ^^ better place to ask bout issues in testing
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• 1492[09:47:51] <MeanEYE> I know next is on different channel, but it's also on different server. That means far less people and almost never get any help there.
• 1493[09:48:02] <rozie> but OK, I have Jessie
• 1494[09:48:04] <MeanEYE> Perhaps people are just not willing to connect to another server.
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• 1496[09:48:08] <jimm> different network too
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• 1498[09:48:21] <pflanze> Hi. How can I disable any and all keybindings in "screen"?
• 1499[09:49:00] <jelly> MeanEYE: just be patient
• 1500[09:49:02] <jimm> ,v libc6
• 1501[09:49:03] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u11; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u9; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u3; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u4; stretch: 2.22-6; sid: 2.22-6; experimental: 2.23-0experimental2
• 1502[09:49:04] <pflanze> I've already remapped the dreaded ctl-a, but now <tab> still triggers screen functionality.
• 1503[09:49:14] <pflanze> Really sick of this.
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• 1505[09:49:27] <jelly> pflanze: what did you change ^A to?
• 1506[09:49:39] <pflanze> ^I
• 1507[09:49:43] <jelly> heh
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• 1509[09:49:51] <jelly> pflanze: ^I _is_ Tab
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• 1512[09:49:59] <pflanze> Oh sigh.
• 1513[09:50:06] <pflanze> I just want it to go away.
• 1514[09:50:17] <jelly> -e ^Bb wfm
• 1515[09:50:19] <Joost> when I open Evince after I still had files open, it presents me with a 'recent documents'-view.. but I cannot seem to find that view anywhere in the menu
• 1516[09:50:24] <Joost> does anyone know where it is?
• 1517[09:50:24] * pflanze weeping like a child
• 1518[09:50:50] <pflanze> jelly, But I use ctl-b in emacs
• 1519[09:51:21] <jelly> so pick something you don't use in emacs, if there's any control key left
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• 1522[09:52:09] <pingfloyd> pflanze: got emacs pinky yet?
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• 1524[09:52:31] <pflanze> ^$a doesn't work
• 1525[09:52:32] <pflanze> sigh
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• 1527[09:52:45] <pflanze> pingfloyd, what's your point?
• 1528[09:53:23] <pflanze> Do I really have to edit the screen source?
• 1529[09:54:06] <pflanze> Is there any other console sharing solution?
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• 1547[10:00:05] <trewas> pflanze: there is tmux, it uses ctrl+b by default which clashes a bit less with emacs
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• 1557[10:02:46] <Onemorenickname> Hi guys
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• 1559[10:03:02] <Onemorenickname> How can I know what version of a package are available for wheezy ?
• 1560[10:03:25] <Onemorenickname> I want to know if the mongodb package of wheezy repo is >= 3.2
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• 1564[10:05:47] <pflanze> trewas, that would crash every 2 seconds with me.
• 1565[10:05:51] <pflanze> clash
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• 1576[10:08:56] <TomTomTo1> Onemorenickname: apt-cache show mongodb
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• 1581[10:09:24] <Onemorenickname> TomTomTo1, that's what I've done, but I only found the version numer in the package name
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• 1583[10:09:50] <Onemorenickname> I thought about somethings guys did yesterday, they wrote something here, and they got all the versions in all the repos
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• 1588[10:12:06] <ideb> hello
• 1589[10:12:27] <TomTomTosch> Onemorenickname: but that's the version. you can do 'dpkg -l mongodb' but only if you have it installed.
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• 1593[10:13:43] <ideb> i try to install the package 'shutter' (screenshot program) but i'm getting a whole lot of outpout... replaced-url
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• 1600[10:16:35] <TomTomTosch> ideb: paste 'apt-cache policy' please.
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• 1602[10:16:57] <awk> 07:48 < awk> Hi, can someone please assist. replaced-url
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• 1604[10:17:07] <ideb> i am running debian 8, if that helps
• 1605[10:17:31] <awk> Regardess how I try sync it, it just hangs now using another method it hangs here..
• 1606[10:17:34] <awk> [ 1%] Getting: dists/wheezy-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.diff/Index... #** GET replaced-url
• 1607[10:17:38] <awk> ok
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• 1611[10:18:26] <ideb> TomTomTosch: replaced-url
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• 1617[10:20:04] <TomTomTosch> ideb: you are not running debian 8, you have testing repos mixed with third party stuff.
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• 1619[10:20:38] <TomTomTosch> ideb: you will have better chances asking #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 1620[10:20:42] <ideb> oh right, i installed debian8 and changed repos straight ahead
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• 1622[10:20:44] <ideb> ok, thanks
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• 1643[10:32:33] <ljhade24> how can I check which function keyboard shortcut mapped to?
• 1644[10:32:51] <ljhade24> nothing happens when I press Super + L (Lock expected)
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• 1647[10:34:46] <aedinius> ljhade24: What environment?
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• 1650[10:35:59] <ljhade24> I'm on gnome3 with debian testing
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• 1653[10:36:26] <ljhade24> keybinding option on keyboard setting looks ok by default
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• 1656[10:37:04] <ljhade24> and there seems no duplicated key bindings on dconf as well
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• 1659[10:38:19] <ljhade24> actually it works ok if I set this shortcut to Alt+f2 or whatever
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• 1736[11:12:56] <sebastianlutter> I need to read images in various formats with various Color Models, Color Profiles, Gamma and rotation Metadata. I want to apply (or bake) all this informations into the image pixels and want to strip the metadata. Found CLI tools that do autorotate and convert the color model to RGB, but what CLI tool can apply gamma and Color Profiles? Thanks.
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• 1788[11:24:35] <shrump> After a fresh install I can't login using either the root password or the user password I just created. I tried entering recovery mode and was able to reset the passwords but only after re-mounting the FS as read/write. After doing so I can't log in again; is this because the FS keeps mounting as RO and if so, how can I change that?
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• 1813[11:31:15] <epicCane> !linuxfact
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• 1823[11:36:39] <sandieg> HI
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• 1826[11:37:09] <plasmoduck> Hey guys, I've just wondering why 82% of my server ram is cached?
• 1827[11:37:11] <sandieg> I am getting this error: desktop@hobbes:~$ sudo apt-get install xwax #sudo enable to resolve host hobbes
• 1828[11:37:20] <sandieg> why ?!?!
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• 1833[11:38:06] <plasmoduck> sandieg, sudo apt-get install xwax
• 1834[11:38:33] <slyf0x> which ISO do i download if i do not want a desktop environment and want to manually choose what software i want to put on debian.. minimal cd i guess
• 1835[11:39:04] <plasmoduck> slyf0x, yes the Net Install is what you're after.
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• 1837[11:39:40] <slyf0x> plasmoduck, okay i wasn't quite sure, haven't had internet in 3 years so im frozen in time lol
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• 1839[11:40:09] <timmeyh> slyf0x: welcome back to the internet!
• 1840[11:40:10] <timmeyh> :p
• 1841[11:40:27] <plasmoduck> ;-)
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• 1844[11:41:06] <ShapeShifter499> hi
• 1845[11:41:15] <slyf0x> timmeyh, heh, not quite yet. it will be a bit before i have the data nazis ransom. soon though, soon. pray to the internet gods for me.
• 1846[11:41:20] <ShapeShifter499> I have a pogoplug v4, it's basically a low powered arm device. I find though when I send a reboot command to it, it fails to regain a ip address from the router. Does anyone have any ideas why this is? It's running the latest jessie debian
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• 1849[11:41:41] <lovezrs> hello
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• 1851[11:42:02] <Tegu> "haven't had internet in 3 years" wow, could be an interesting experience
• 1852[11:42:37] <slyf0x> Tegu, its not like i live in the city where i could just aircrack something either, i live on a mountain lol.
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• 1856[11:43:20] <Tegu> slyf0x: even more interesting experince
• 1857[11:44:03] <Tegu> did it feel for a while that "well.. whatever did I need internet for in the first place.." before you get hooked again? :P
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• 1859[11:44:43] <slyf0x> Tegu, actually no, not having internet has made me psychotic lol
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• 1861[11:44:59] <Tegu> oh, that was surprising, then
• 1862[11:45:06] <slyf0x> out of all the drugs ive ever done in my life and ive done a lot of them. the internet is the worst drug ive ever done in my life.
• 1863[11:45:30] <plasmoduck> ShapeShifter499, replaced-url
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• 1866[11:46:00] <slyf0x> Tegu, what is the offtopic channel for freenode again?
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• 1868[11:46:15] <slyf0x> err debian i mean
• 1869[11:46:27] <plasmoduck> slyf0x, #debian-offtopic
• 1870[11:46:29] <Tegu> yeaaa this went quite offtopic indeed. was it #debian-offtopic I presume
• 1871[11:46:39] <sandieg> As i am trying to use xwax: i get this error: xwax -l ~/Music -a hw:1,0 -a hw:1,1
• 1872[11:47:03] <sandieg> error: You need to give at least one audio device to use as a deck; try -h.
• 1873[11:47:07] <ShapeShifter499> plasmoduck: I already have "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
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• 1875[11:47:43] <plasmoduck> ShapeShifter499, could it be your routers DHCP leasing policy?
• 1876[11:47:59] <elysium> has anybody compiled lftp sucessfully with openssl? im trying ./configure --with-openssl=/usr/lib but still not with openssl compiled...
• 1877[11:48:06] <ShapeShifter499> plasmoduck: it's whatever default openwrt has, seemed ok up till now
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• 1879[11:48:52] <ShapeShifter499> the pogoplug is the only device having a issue
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• 1881[11:51:22] <sandieg> anyone ?
• 1882[11:51:24] <sandieg> plz help
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• 1884[11:52:05] <slyf0x> how do i check the hash of the ISO i downloaded from here? replaced-url
• 1885[11:52:20] <sandieg> woot.. ?
• 1886[11:52:21] <plasmoduck> sander85, did you read the manual and specify your sound card in the command?
• 1887[11:52:30] <sandieg> ofc i did\
• 1888[11:52:37] <Onemorenickname> jelly, thanks, it was the bot i wanted
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• 1890[11:53:26] <ShapeShifter499> plasmoduck: maybe it's uboot throwing my router off?
• 1891[11:53:28] <plasmoduck> slyf0x, yes
• 1892[11:53:44] <slyf0x> plasmoduck, will you teach me how to check the hash?
• 1893[11:53:51] <plasmoduck> ShapeShifter499, possibly
• 1894[11:53:51] <ShapeShifter499> uboot contains a ip address variable
• 1895[11:54:06] <ShapeShifter499> erm let me change it and reboot
• 1896[11:54:49] <plasmoduck> slyf0x, replaced-url
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• 1900[11:57:16] <sandieg> anyone ?
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• 1903[11:58:10] <ShapeShifter499> I don't see any way to have uboot just dhcp a ip address automatically which is kind of a pain
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• 1906[11:58:43] <slyf0x> plasmoduck, i see. how do i insure the checksum files on the site are legitimate?
• 1907[11:58:47] <slyf0x> website*
• 1908[11:59:11] <plasmoduck> Because it's from Debian
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• 1911[12:01:06] <slyf0x> plasmoduck, isn't it possible for an attacker to make you think that you are looking at the official website, how do i check to make sure?
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• 1916[12:02:22] <sandieg> As i am trying to use xwax: i get this error:
• 1917[12:02:26] <sandieg> error: You need to give at least one audio device to use as a deck; try -h.
• 1918[12:02:30] <sandieg> plz help
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• 1930[12:06:35] <ShapeShifter499> plasmoduck: setting the ip in uboot appeared to fix it.
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• 1942[12:16:53] <slyf0x> ive actually never bothered checking hashes of isos i download over the years, i suspect a lot of people probably don't. but i read an article about how abunch of linux mint isos got backdoored
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• 1953[12:22:34] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: the files containing the hashes are signed. you can use gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign to do so.
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• 1955[12:23:23] <TomTomTosch> 'gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS' that is
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• 1958[12:24:49] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: of course there has to be trust at some point and it's not absolute protection, but it helps against a lot of scenarios.
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• 1960[12:26:17] <pflanze> Any suggestion for a minimal window manager that can be told (easily) not to capture any keys?
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• 1963[12:28:25] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, how does the debian key ring work and what is the web of trust?
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• 1966[12:29:45] <themill> !keyring
• 1967[12:29:45] <dpkg> A keyring in the context of Debian are the public GPG keys used for signing the packages in the repository. Available in debian-archive-keyring or from replaced-url
• 1968[12:30:01] <themill> (if you trust https certs, then there is your starting point)
• 1969[12:30:03] <ShapeShifter499> why is systemd coming up as apart of the things installed that are no longer needed?
• 1970[12:30:10] <ShapeShifter499> in apt-get that is
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• 1972[12:30:55] <slyf0x> themill, are those the keys that gpg checks the checksum files and signatures against?
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• 1975[12:32:00] <themill> close enough (you check that the signature is good and by a key on that list)
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• 1980[12:35:16] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, there are 2 errors.. warning options in /home/f0x/.gnupg/gpg.conf are not yet active during this run; gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
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• 1982[12:36:52] <slyf0x> themill, how do i list the keys in the debian keyring? what's supposed to be in there by default?
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• 1985[12:38:13] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: you can download the key from the debian keyserver. 'gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv whateverid'
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• 1987[12:39:47] <TomTomTosch> it should have listed the id in the output of the previous command.
• 1988[12:39:48] <themill> !check iso signature
• 1989[12:39:48] <dpkg> On a Debian box, you can check the installer images are legitimate using the signature file that comes with them. When downloading the ISO, also get the SHA256SUM and SHA256SUM.sign files in the same directory, then: "apt-get install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum debian.iso; grep debian.iso SHA256SUM; gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign". See also <check iso image>.
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• 1994[12:42:09] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, so i replace whateverid with the RSA key ID that it showed when i tried to verify the signature file?
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• 1996[12:42:19] <TomTomTosch> or what themill said if you are on a debian system already
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• 1999[12:43:05] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, i am on 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u5 (2015-10-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 2011[12:48:22] <slyf0x> themill, i do not have a sudoers file set up on here, should i be using sudo? i just su to root when i need to use it, is that less secure? i started thinking about what would happen if i ran that whole command as root, because i have to use root to use apt-get but i shouldn't be doing that should i?
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• 2014[12:49:29] <themill> checking the signature does not need to be done as root
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• 2017[12:52:29] <slyf0x> themill, when using sudo if you do something like sudo apt-get whatever; x; y; or sudo && x && y, do x and y get ran with sudo privileges?
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• 2019[12:53:38] <slyf0x> also what's the difference between ; and &&?
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• 2023[12:54:23] <jim> ; separates commands... && checks for successful exit status
• 2024[12:55:12] <slyf0x> so x && y ... y won't execute unless x succeeds?
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• 2026[12:55:37] <jim> yes, I believe so
• 2027[12:56:03] <slyf0x> what about sudo, how does sudo work when you string commands together in one line?
• 2028[12:56:15] <jim> but sudo && x && y, that might be a syntax err
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• 2033[12:58:24] <TomTomTosch> not syntax error but sudo exits with status 1 so it stops.
• 2034[12:58:47] <TomTomTosch> 'sudo foo; foo2' foo2 runs as user.
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• 2037[12:59:34] <jim> user foo?
• 2038[13:00:06] <TomTomTosch> what, you don't have the foo command?
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• 2041[13:00:26] <jim> no doo foo, voodoo
• 2042[13:00:56] <jim> is foo interpreted as a command or as a user?
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• 2044[13:01:19] <TomTomTosch> huh? it was just an example. foo stands for any command.
• 2045[13:01:56] <jim> so sudo foo is meant to execute foo as root
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• 2047[13:03:14] <TomTomTosch> yes
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• 2051[13:03:25] <jim> gotcha...
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• 2054[13:03:35] <Doo> jim, thx for the highlight
• 2055[13:03:40] <Doo> i was missing this chan a lot
• 2056[13:04:01] <jim> voo doo!
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• 2059[13:04:08] <jim> sorry :)
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• 2061[13:04:09] <Doo> :D
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• 2066[13:04:51] <fas3r> Hello
• 2067[13:04:57] <jim> hi
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• 2072[13:06:31] <fas3r> I use sssd to authenticate my user to a domain controller for ssh and openvpn. My question is, can I configure sssd to restrict only the member of a specific group to connect with SSH and a other group for openvpn ?
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• 2074[13:07:30] <FranklY> how do I copy the permissions/ownership from /var/replaced-url
• 2075[13:08:23] <jim> cp -a, and you might need to be root
• 2076[13:08:27] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, im reading the debian wiki on sudo and setting up the sudoers file, it says on the wiki that the file must be edited with visudo ... what happens if you try to edit /etc/sudoers with something else like nano? just curious as to why it says that
• 2077[13:08:42] <jim> and that would copy the files
• 2078[13:09:09] <slyf0x> reading the man page for visudo now...
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• 2080[13:09:49] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: all you need to do to use sudo is add your user to the sudo group.
• 2081[13:10:29] <jim> then the user has to log out and back in again
• 2082[13:10:33] <FranklY> jim: "sudo cp -a /var/replaced-url
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• 2084[13:11:09] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, i added my username to the group sudo but when i try to run sudo from my username it says that i am not in the sudoers file and that the incident will be reported.
• 2085[13:11:19] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: if it says you should use visudo to edit that file then you schould use visudo. chances are things break or get overwritten if you do it by hand.
• 2086[13:11:28] <jim> no I don't think so, that could do bad things
• 2087[13:11:32] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: relog.
• 2088[13:11:39] <FranklY> jim: Oh, how do I do it then?
• 2089[13:12:05] <jim> what are you looking to do exactly? how many files are involved?
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• 2091[13:12:56] <FranklY> I just want to push ownership and permissions down the directory tree so that all users that can rwx the /var/replaced-url
• 2092[13:13:01] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: nvm. the visudo manpage explains it.
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• 2097[13:14:00] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, im not going to use anything other than visudo i was just curious. im reading the man page for visudo now, whenever you're in a man page and you see something like see also foo(5) or foo(8) how do i choose between (5) and (8) in man?
• 2098[13:14:00] <FranklY> It's so that my php script can work with the directory, it can read everything in /html/ but nothing in /html/repo/Windows/
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• 2100[13:14:18] <jim> you sure you want to do that? make all files in /var/replaced-url
• 2101[13:14:24] <jim> seems risky :)
• 2102[13:14:31] <FranklY> For a specific user
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• 2104[13:14:38] <FranklY> They have to be
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• 2106[13:15:03] <slyf0x> FranklY, are you running apache? just add apache to the group replaced-url
• 2107[13:15:05] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: man #num foo
• 2108[13:15:14] <FranklY> lighttpd, and it's in the group
• 2109[13:15:35] <FranklY> /html/repo/Windows has fucked up ownership/permissions, trying to fix it
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• 2114[13:17:41] <slyf0x> FranklY, what does your vhost file look like?
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• 2117[13:18:11] <FranklY> huh?
• 2118[13:18:22] <FranklY> Better phrasing: I want to give all directories under /var/replaced-url
• 2119[13:18:45] <HKitain> Hi! My package management frontend has been changed from muon to plasma-discover. Now I can't install "technical" packages with it. What can I do to configure this application?
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• 2122[13:19:46] <jim> FranklY, ls -ld /var/replaced-url
• 2123[13:20:08] <jelly> HKitain: is this supposed to be a Debian question?
• 2124[13:20:21] <FranklY> jim: That'll do it?
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• 2126[13:20:41] <slyf0x> well ive never used anything other than apache but with apache i had to create a virtual host file, especially when hosting multiple sites, i had to have a seperate file for each site to specify things like the document root, and where i wanted the log files saved
• 2127[13:20:50] <jim> no, that will tell us the perms and owners of /var/replaced-url
• 2128[13:20:55] <FranklY> Oh
• 2129[13:20:59] <HKitain> jelly, uh, yes? It's a frontend for apt-get and it's installed by default in Debian.
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• 2131[13:21:08] <FranklY> Is there a single line I can execute to do it automatically?
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• 2134[13:22:25] <jim> not that I know of... I need to know the perms, and the username
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• 2136[13:22:44] <FranklY> I'll just try chmod'ing the entire directory again :L
• 2137[13:22:55] <FranklY> s/chmod/chown
• 2138[13:23:20] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, i gotta logout to see if this worked. ill brb, thank you for teaching me all this stuff.
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• 2140[13:23:31] <jim> be very careful with that command (and any other that has a recursive switch)
• 2141[13:23:32] <jelly> HKitain: which debian release?
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• 2145[13:24:42] <FranklY> jim: Why?
• 2146[13:24:58] <jelly> HKitain: can't see anything related in "apt-cache search muon" or "apt-cache search plasma-discover" output on a debian 8 system
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• 2150[13:25:24] <FranklY> Also, is there a way I can map /repo to /var/replaced-url
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• 2154[13:26:16] <HKitain> jelly, oooh right, I'm using testing.
• 2155[13:26:28] <FranklY> I'd use subst to do this on Windows
• 2156[13:27:02] <slyf0x> okay now i have sudo working
• 2157[13:27:06] <slyf0x> !keyring
• 2158[13:27:06] <dpkg> A keyring in the context of Debian are the public GPG keys used for signing the packages in the repository. Available in debian-archive-keyring or from replaced-url
• 2159[13:27:30] <TomTomTosch> FranklY: bash variables. FOO=/directory/; ls $FOO
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• 2161[13:27:44] <FranklY> Is that permanent?
• 2162[13:27:49] <FranklY> TomTomTosch: ^
• 2163[13:27:50] <slyf0x> themill, what was that chatbot command you used earlier? i lost my chat history
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• 2165[13:28:18] <TomTomTosch> FranklY: only if you put it e.g. in your ~/.bashrc
• 2166[13:28:49] <FranklY> Right, so there's no command I can issue that makes it persist?
• 2167[13:28:51] <slyf0x> !check
• 2168[13:28:51] * dpkg checks slyf0x's box for security holes...found M$ IIS
• 2169[13:29:01] <slyf0x> !check iso signature
• 2170[13:29:02] <dpkg> On a Debian box, you can check the installer images are legitimate using the signature file that comes with them. When downloading the ISO, also get the SHA256SUM and SHA256SUM.sign files in the same directory, then: "apt-get install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum debian.iso; grep debian.iso SHA256SUM; gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign". See also <check iso image>.
• 2171[13:29:14] <slyf0x> i remembered :)
• 2172[13:29:25] <FranklY> !check
• 2173[13:29:25] * dpkg checks frankly's box for security holes...found M$ IIS
• 2174[13:29:27] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: /msg dpkg whatever please read the channel guideline
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• 2176[13:29:49] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, how do i check the channel guidelines, /topic?
• 2177[13:29:50] <jim> FranklY, because... those commands in combination with the high expressive power of the shell can cause damage
• 2178[13:30:16] <slyf0x> lol m$ iis
• 2179[13:30:19] <FranklY> jim: Ah, well I can usually fix anything I break
• 2180[13:30:37] <jim> !bounce check
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• 2184[13:31:25] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: /msg dpkg guidelines
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• 2187[13:32:09] <jim> FranklY, I assume by that, you've backed up, and you know how to restore
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• 2190[13:32:32] <FranklY> jim: More along the lines of: This is basically a fresh server and I can just re-install if necessary
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• 2192[13:33:44] <jim> ok
• 2193[13:33:59] <jim> so there's no real data on it to destroy
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• 2195[13:34:35] <FranklY> Exactly, only stuff on a public-facing repo that I'm trying to mirror
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• 2201[13:36:05] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, the example uses 256 bit keys, can i use the 512 bit keys in that command?
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• 2205[13:37:20] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: you can do the same with the sha512sum tool.
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• 2215[13:40:41] <GooseYArd> if I wanted to have a single deb repository that has several per-distribution debs with the same base version number, is there a best practice for how to accomplish that?
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• 2217[13:41:15] <GooseYArd> i was looking for a way to append the distro name to the version string but I'd like to avoid editing the changes file between each build
• 2218[13:42:28] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, what does sid stand for in that command, i assume i replace sid with some id?
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• 2225[13:44:17] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, that command you told me to message dpkg about
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• 2231[13:46:20] <slyf0x> it says the value sid is invalid for apt.
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• 2244[13:52:20] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: you can download the key from the debian keyserver. 'gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv whateverid'
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• 2248[13:53:09] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: i wouldn't add sid to my sources. sid is the unstable debian version and does not stand for ID.
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• 2252[13:56:23] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: you get the id from 'gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign' then you can actually verify the sums file with 'gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS'
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• 2323[14:30:15] <plasmoduck> Hey guys, I've just wondering why 82% of my server ram is cached?
• 2324[14:30:27] <valentt> how to force IPv4 domain resolution over IPv6? I see telnet resolved one domain as IPv6 but I would like to use for testin purposes always IPv4 and then switch back again to IPv6
• 2325[14:30:38] <blind> plasmoduck: because it should be?
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• 2327[14:30:54] <Dagger> for telnet, -4/-6 should work
• 2328[14:31:05] <plasmoduck> blind, what's it caching?
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• 2331[14:32:20] <little_tommy> is there some transition on sid so dist-upgrage wants to remove gdm3 gnome gnome-control-center gnome-core gnome-session
• 2332[14:32:22] <little_tommy> gnome-shell-extensions libmutter0g task-gnome-desktop
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• 2338[14:33:04] <themill> little_tommy: entirely possible -- that's what sid is for, after all. /msg dpkg #debian-next
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• 2346[14:35:03] <ksk> hola
• 2347[14:35:17] <timmeyh> hi
• 2348[14:35:46] <ksk> I setup some direcorys in my debian package using $package.dirs - I however would like to alter the user of that directorys; is there a nice clean way to do that or would I have to put it in postinst? thanks!
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• 2350[14:36:22] <plasmoduck> blind, what's my server caching?
• 2351[14:36:47] <plasmoduck> How do I find out?
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• 2353[14:36:54] <TheRealSouthner> Hi all I'm trying to boot the live version installer of debian on my toshiba laptop, but every time I select the usb stick in the boot menu, my computer just says 'checking media' and then next to it 'fail'
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• 2355[14:37:09] <themill> ksk: do you really need to? it's actually really uncommon (and not easy to do properly)
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• 2359[14:37:48] <valentt> Dagger, is there a system wide option not only for telnet?
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• 2361[14:38:18] <Dagger> /etc/hosts for a single domain?
• 2362[14:38:28] <Dagger> or you can fiddle with /etc/gai.conf for all domains
• 2363[14:38:31] <valentt> How to force all scripts and apps to resolver domains over IPv4 instead of IPv6 for testing purposes, and then revert back?
• 2364[14:38:32] <Stummi> plasmoduck, linux uses free memory to cache file system data
• 2365[14:38:43] <valentt> Ok, thanks.
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• 2367[14:38:55] <plasmoduck> Stummi, okay, because it was running a bit slow
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• 2370[14:39:19] <Stummi> plasmoduck, what exactly is running slow?
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• 2372[14:39:47] <f0ff> i decided to try to encrypt harddrive from installer.. so i made a /boot plain ext4.. then made encrypted of the rest of disk and just made a / ext4 from that..
• 2373[14:39:57] <plasmoduck> I'm running Plex Media Server but that couldn't be using 3 of my 4gb of ram could it?
• 2374[14:39:58] <f0ff> thing is it won't accept my key oO
• 2375[14:40:43] <Stummi> plasmoduck, it would if it could.
• 2376[14:40:50] <f0ff> it boots nicely then, "please unlock sda5_crypt" and then "no key found for that passphrase" or summat
• 2377[14:40:53] <ksk> themill: Yeah, I want to setup an mysql datadir on ssd, so user mysql has to own it. Doent packages like mysql do this themselves? like for the "normal" datadir
• 2378[14:40:55] <Stummi> (as in, if it would be programmed that way to use that much ram)
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• 2380[14:41:03] <jelly> valentt: gai.conf doesn't always do what you expect it do, IME the only sane and safe thing to do was booting the whole OS with ipv6.disable=1
• 2381[14:41:19] <Stummi> plasmoduck, linux will only use memory for your file system cache thats not used by processes
• 2382[14:41:57] <plasmoduck> So now all my ram is cached, what happens if a program needs more ram or I run more programs?
• 2383[14:42:20] <Stummi> the ram which is used for the FS cache will be freed and given to the programs
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• 2386[14:42:38] <nkuttler> !tell plasmoduck about free memory
• 2387[14:43:08] <Stummi> plasmoduck, read this: replaced-url
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• 2389[14:43:34] <rozie> plasmoduck: which kernel?
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• 2394[14:44:00] <themill> ksk: have a look at the postinst for mysql-server-5.5; it's difficult to do right and if you're making local packages then using your configuration management system to do this would probably be better
• 2395[14:44:03] <rozie> grep MemAvailable /proc/meminfo
• 2396[14:44:29] <rozie> if it's relatively new kernel
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• 2399[14:44:54] <ksk> themill: okay thank you :)
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• 2413[14:49:06] <alioui_> how setup a cluster using corosync and pacemaker. a lot of tuto say to install it with this command apt-get install corosync pacemaker
• 2414[14:49:06] <alioui_> but in my case i don't find any package call it pacemaker
• 2415[14:49:23] <alioui_> os : debian jessie
• 2416[14:50:28] <rozie> alioui_: there's no reliabe pacemaker for jessie
• 2417[14:50:33] <themill> pacemaker is in jessie-backports
• 2418[14:50:59] <rozie> on wiki.debian.org there was tutorial, but I found that repo unreliable?
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• 2420[14:51:17] <rozie> themill: it is? when I looked, there was no backport :-(
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• 2422[14:51:29] <themill> ,v pacemaker --release jessie-backports
• 2423[14:51:30] <judd> Package: pacemaker on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.1.14-2~bpo8+1
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• 2426[14:53:09] <alioui_> so how to setup cluster in jessie ??
• 2427[14:54:26] <alioui_> i mean is there other tools
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• 2429[14:55:09] <bezaban> or use pacemaker from backports?
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• 2432[14:56:14] <alioui_> ok i will try it
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• 2436[14:57:31] <rozie> looks we didn't have to switch to Ubuntu :-(
• 2437[14:57:49] <bezaban> I built a few clusters on slackware, it was highly anticlimactic, but if you have I use for it I guess it may be helpful
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• 2457[15:07:23] <Bombo> hi
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• 2462[15:09:02] <Bombo> i'm using jessie with backports for mesa, i installed 'libgles2-mesa:amd64 11.1.2-1~bpo8+1' now i want the -dev package too, but i get: 'libgles2-mesa-dev : Depends: libgles2-mesa (= 10.3.2-1+deb8u1) but 11.1.2-1~bpo8+1 is to be installed'
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• 2465[15:09:55] <TomTomTosch> you have to get that from backports too.
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• 2467[15:10:44] <Bombo> TomTomTosch: i got backports in sources.list, so i just did 'apt-get install libgles2-mesa'
• 2468[15:11:25] <TomTomTosch> Bombo: you have to tell it with -t jessie-backports or it will try to install from jessie main.
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• 2470[15:12:12] <Bombo> ok got it, thx TomTomTosch
• 2471[15:12:32] <Bombo> i thought it would get the bpo automatically, because it's a newer version
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• 2477[15:14:15] <bezaban> ,v nethack-common
• 2478[15:14:16] <judd> Package: nethack-common on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.4.3-12.1; wheezy: 3.4.3-14; jessie: 3.4.3-15; stretch: 3.6.0-3; sid: 3.6.0-3
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• 2482[15:19:47] <alioui_> ,v pacemaker
• 2483[15:19:49] <judd> Package: pacemaker on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.9.1+hg15626-1; squeeze-backports: 1.1.7-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.1.7-1; jessie-backports: 1.1.14-2~bpo8+1; sid: 1.1.14-3; stretch: 1.1.14-3
• 2484[15:20:37] <alioui_> ,v libmemcahed
• 2485[15:20:38] <judd> No package named 'libmemcahed' was found in amd64.
• 2486[15:20:42] <alioui_> ,v libmemcahe
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• 2488[15:20:42] <judd> No package named 'libmemcahe' was found in amd64.
• 2489[15:20:57] <alioui_> ,v libmemcache
• 2490[15:20:58] <judd> No package named 'libmemcache' was found in amd64.
• 2491[15:21:01] <alioui_> ,v libmemcached
• 2492[15:21:02] <judd> No package named 'libmemcached' was found in amd64.
• 2493[15:21:04] <TomTomTosch> alioui_: /msg judd whatever
• 2494[15:21:10] <TomTomTosch> alioui_: pls stop spamming.
• 2495[15:21:34] <alioui_> ok sorry
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• 2497[15:22:00] <potus> good morning
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• 2499[15:23:06] <TomTomTosch> alioui_: also you might want to use 'aptitude search <pkg>' if you don't know the correct name.
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• 2506[15:26:20] <dez_> i cant get counter strike to run on steam on debian and this installation of debian on an ideapad hangs at 'running dpkg' on 'select and install software'
• 2507[15:26:22] <dez_> any tips?
• 2508[15:26:45] <timmeyh> dez_: running jessie? cause counter strike works for me on steam
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• 2512[15:27:00] <dez_> jessie
• 2513[15:27:04] <dez_> i have bumblebee
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• 2517[15:28:11] <timmeyh> sorry ATI here...
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• 2520[15:28:18] <timmeyh> but dez_ your steam works as it should right?
• 2521[15:28:19] <dez_> and a 64 bit system with an intel and a nvidia gpi
• 2522[15:28:20] <dez_> gpu
• 2523[15:28:24] <dez_> yes
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• 2525[15:29:03] <dez_> and i play dota on intel and shadowrun on nvidia
• 2526[15:29:12] <timmeyh> and you have "libgl1-nvidia-glx-i386" installed?
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• 2529[15:29:24] <dez_> yes
• 2530[15:29:24] <dez_> counter strike starts
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• 2533[15:29:33] <dez_> it crashes after a few seconds or if i click on some menu
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• 2547[15:32:56] <timmeyh> dez_: strange issue indeed
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• 2549[15:33:03] <timmeyh> I'm affraid I can't help you any further
• 2550[15:33:16] <timmeyh> check your logs for info I would say
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• 2602[15:56:15] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, i went afk, when i came back my IRC client apparently only remembers x amount of lines, i can't see your reply.
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• 2605[15:56:40] <bipul> what is minimal installer?
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• 2609[15:57:46] <countbackula> bipul: you install minimal amount of os data, the rest is downloaded via network
• 2610[15:58:23] <bipul> countbackula, I see
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• 2614[15:59:40] <bipul> countbackula, Do you know?, How to use debian installer source code into minimal image
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• 2618[16:01:09] <countbackula> bipul: roughly, there will be a README or INSTALL document on the page from which you download the source
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• 2622[16:01:38] <countbackula> bipul: is this your first time booting with Linux?
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• 2639[16:05:51] <Cloudwalker42> hi
• 2640[16:05:52] <slyf0x> bipul, you have more control over what gets installed with the minimal install. the regular images may have software that you don't want or don't need but is included for more useability "out of the box". someone correct me if im wrong about that.
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• 2647[16:08:01] <slyf0x> also maybe the medium in which you want to store the ISO isn't big enough for one of the regular images then you could do the network install
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• 2652[16:09:22] <Cloudwalker42> i have one server which runs a lamp stack. This server has a very high load. If I show the stats with "top c" i can see that the apache process is using a huge amount of the CPU Power. Everything else works fine. Ram usage is 1/8GB but the load ist still up to 12.0 6.0 8.0
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• 2654[16:10:03] <Cloudwalker42> I stopped the apache process with an init script but I am afraid to do that again because of data that may crash during that action.
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• 2656[16:10:18] <Walex> Cloudwalker42: that is not necessarily a problem. If there is a reason for it to do that.
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• 2662[16:11:24] <Cloudwalker42> Walex: Im sorry I donÄt understand.. you mean its not necessary to stop the apache process? Maybe but the load went a bit down.
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• 2667[16:13:39] <slyf0x> i know im only supposed to private message dpkg , but dpkg gave me a really long command that i do not understand and would be too much to paste. may i ask dpkg to say it in the main chat so that i don't have to pastebin it?
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• 2672[16:15:10] <bazhang> go for it
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• 2674[16:15:25] <slyf0x> !check iso signature
• 2675[16:15:25] <dpkg> On a Debian box, you can check the installer images are legitimate using the signature file that comes with them. When downloading the ISO, also get the SHA256SUM and SHA256SUM.sign files in the same directory, then: "apt-get install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum debian.iso; grep debian.iso SHA256SUM; gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign". See also <check iso image>.
• 2676[16:15:47] <slyf0x> bazhang, the first part, apt-get -t sid debian-keyring. what do i replace the sid with?
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• 2679[16:17:00] <bazhang> what are you on
• 2680[16:17:01] * zykotick9 wonders why that ".. -t sid .." is in those directions?
• 2681[16:17:06] <bazhang> sid?
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• 2683[16:17:40] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: you get the id from 'gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign' then you can actually verify the sums file with 'gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS'
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• 2685[16:17:59] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: i wouldn't add sid to my sources. sid is the unstable debian version.
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• 2687[16:18:15] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: ^ that was my answer from earlier.
• 2688[16:18:17] <slyf0x> bazhang, earlier i was trying to verify some md5signatures and it said that gpg couldn't check the signature because no public key was found. TomTomTosch oh i see the RSA key
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• 2690[16:19:13] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, i typed in that command almost exactly except i replaced sha256sum with sha512sum and i replaced the directories pointing to the iso and the checksum signature file
• 2691[16:19:34] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, when i left sid in the command did it write that to anywhere or anything, do i need to undo anything?
• 2692[16:19:53] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: nah, just try what i said.
• 2693[16:20:11] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, okay, i appreciate your patience with me.
• 2694[16:20:33] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: oh wait, there is something missing.
• 2695[16:20:42] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, it is a hexidecimal value, right?
• 2696[16:20:46] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: you can download the key from the debian keyserver. 'gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv whateverid'
• 2697[16:21:15] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: no problem. good luck.
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• 2701[16:22:19] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: it should be hexadecimal.
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• 2708[16:25:23] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, do the repositories for aptitude in sources.lst effect where and how gpg updates the debian keyring?
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• 2711[16:26:35] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: there are packages that pull keys, but usually you add them manually.
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• 2713[16:26:49] <TomTomTosch> that's how i like to do it at least.
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• 2721[16:29:56] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, it looks like the command succeeded, but it says at the end that no ultimately trusted keys found replaced-url
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• 2727[16:31:48] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: that's fine. you can now verify the sums file and the signature and compare the fingerprint with replaced-url
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• 2731[16:33:45] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, this is what i get when i try to verify the key, says the key is not certified with a trusted signature and that there is no proof it belongs to the owner. replaced-url
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• 2744[16:37:36] <Bert_2_> Hi, I'm on jessie using nss mysql to store POSIX users in MySQL, because I use these users in my config for apache2 and php-fpm and these try to start at the same time or before mysql, so they fail because the user seems to be missing
• 2745[16:37:54] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, this is the link i obtained the signature file from replaced-url
• 2746[16:38:20] <Bert_2_> now jessie comes with systemd and I should be able to tell it to only start after a another application, but I wonder, how do I do this without it possibly being overwritten by an update?
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• 2751[16:39:42] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: oops, it's here: replaced-url
• 2752[16:39:51] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: it's fine.
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• 2760[16:41:03] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, i see, it matches. what are the warnings that gpg gives me all about?
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• 2768[16:43:33] <slyf0x> does pgp work anything like ssl? you know how you can sign your own ssl certs or pay for a trusted cert from a company? if you sign your own cert then the web browser will warn you its not from a trusted source.
• 2769[16:44:04] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: you can make it trusted, but i'm too lazy to look it up right now.
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• 2774[16:44:52] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: keys can also be trusted if they have been signed by a key you already trust, which this one has not. but it does not matter, you checked its validity.
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• 2776[16:45:40] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: replaced-url
• 2777[16:45:43] <slyf0x> earlier before i had the public key and gpg spit out that RSA key, where does it pull that RSA key from?
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• 2779[16:46:39] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: the id? from the key itself. i'd advise reading the docs or asking google first.
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• 2793[16:51:17] <thurstylark> Bert_2: the answer to your question is a drop-in snippit which contains only the options you wish to change, and lives in /etc/systemd/system/ the arch wiki has an example: replaced-url
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• 2800[16:54:35] <azy> would someone help me find a good pci-e wifi adapter for my lenovo x200? i want one that works with free software. ive seen a few (thanks to h-node.org) but i've also seen comments from sellers that some atheros chips dont work with lenovo laptops because of "BIOS white-list blocking" ?
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• 2811[16:56:57] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, does haveged have any bearing on the entropy generated when generating keys with gpg? should i use a random number generator even though i have a mouse and keyboard?
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• 2816[16:58:17] <slyf0x> not even sure if people use haveged anymore, just using an example. i haven't had internet in 3 years so im stuck in time.
• 2817[16:58:23] <Bert_2> thurstylark: cool, that sounds like the perfect solution, thx :D
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• 2819[16:58:39] <thurstylark> Bert_2: np :)
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• 2821[16:58:47] <nsmao> hi
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• 2826[17:00:06] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: gpg uses /dev/random which if fine in my opinion.
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• 2851[17:06:36] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, what is the difference between /dev/random and /dev/urandom?
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• 2857[17:08:27] <TomTomTosch> random has more entropy.
• 2858[17:08:43] <nkuttler> slyf0x: tail -f both to see
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• 2864[17:09:41] <nkuttler> slyf0x: actually, cat
• 2865[17:09:48] <Blizzz> when i run "sudo -u replaced-url
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• 2867[17:10:04] <slyf0x> nkuttler, cat /dev/urandom spits out random data but not when i cat /dev/random
• 2868[17:10:08] <somiaj> TomTomTosch: are you sure on that? I thought it was how they deal generation of random numbers when entropy is low. ONe will still produce numbers the other will complain.
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• 2871[17:10:22] <blind> Blizzz: Use -i too to inherit replaced-url
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• 2876[17:10:58] <slyf0x> oh i see its the speed in which it generates the entropy?
• 2877[17:11:15] <nkuttler> slyf0x: random will output more the more entropy you generate, yeah
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• 2881[17:11:52] <Blizzz> blind: hm? i am wondering where replaced-url
• 2882[17:12:00] <TomTomTosch> somiaj: not complain, but random will block. in my understanding that results in more entropy when in doubt.
• 2883[17:12:02] <iamwhoiam> hello people. I am checking how apt works, mainly because we are thinking of checking whether different approaches concerning the "solver" part might offer something new. Problem is we get a bit lost concerning the current approach (eg the usage of a sat solver is after optimizing the formula? does the sat solver provides ordering over the packages to be installed? if not, is that achieved by checking the actual solution the solver
• 2884[17:12:02] <iamwhoiam> provided? the cases where we get broken dependencies or something similar are due to the heuristics used? etc). Does anyone know a reference which might explain these steps? or an irc channel where I could ask? thank you.
• 2885[17:12:09] <blind> Blizzz: well, in your example command, you're not looking at replaced-url
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• 2888[17:12:28] <blind> you're looking at the user's environment you're running the command as.
• 2889[17:12:53] <Blizzz> blind: saw the sudo -u <user>?
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• 2891[17:13:01] <blind> Blizzz: yes.
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• 2893[17:13:18] <blind> You need to add -i to inherit <user>'s environment, as I said in my first line.
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• 2895[17:13:56] <Blizzz> blind: with -i it's empty, because it does what --help says: just ignore the env
• 2896[17:14:08] <dym> What could be the reason for (e.g.) a ping not using eth0 as the outgoing interface?
• 2897[17:14:16] <Blizzz> blind: without -i it works properly. it's differnt to what i see when just running env.
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• 2902[17:14:58] <nkuttler> dym: an alias? routing/firewall rules?
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• 2904[17:15:16] <dym> alias?
• 2905[17:15:23] <nkuttler> dym: type ping
• 2906[17:15:41] <dym> ah, you mean ping is aliased
• 2907[17:15:43] <dym> it's not
• 2908[17:15:48] <markybob> more likely default route. literally type 'route' to see the default interface
• 2909[17:16:23] <dym> defaults both use eth0
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• 2912[17:17:40] <dym> replaced-url
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• 2916[17:18:52] <markybob> dym: your metric for all is 0...
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• 2921[17:20:21] <dym> markybob: yeah, but theres only 1 default route
• 2922[17:20:27] <slyf0x> TomTomTosch, do both /dev/random and /dev/urandom depend on the usage of the mouse, keyboard, accessing the disk, etc?
• 2923[17:20:27] <dym> im trying to reach 192.168.5.70
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• 2926[17:21:11] <nkuttler> slyf0x: the entropy pool uses whatever sources it gets
• 2927[17:21:36] <TomTomTosch> slyf0x: yes, but urandom uses an internal pool once the entropy pool is empty.
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• 2934[17:23:37] <slyf0x> nkuttler, lets pretend you didn't have a mouse, keyboard, disk drive, etc like a on a server for example. and what if there was no hardware based RNG in the CPU or anything, where then do you get your entropy from? is that the purpose of software like haveged?
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• 2936[17:24:41] <nkuttler> slyf0x: never heard of haveged, but i don't see how software could ever generate entropy
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• 2938[17:25:53] <slyf0x> nkuttler, its a software based random number generator. simply saying what it is and understanding what it is are two different things for me. ive been trying to grasp this cryptography thing for years.
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• 2944[17:26:28] <nkuttler> afaik software can't generate random numbers.. but you probably want to ask in a dedicated crypto channel
• 2945[17:26:29] <dym> markybob: can you explain why this is bad?
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• 2948[17:27:10] <nkuttler> slyf0x: ##crypto comes to mind
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• 2950[17:27:24] <markybob> dym: i might be wrong but it's my understanding that you need metrics to point it to eth0. google seems to agree
• 2951[17:27:26] <slyf0x> nkuttler, check this out replaced-url
• 2952[17:27:55] <nkuttler> slyf0x: software on the hardware we use is deterministic by nature. anyway, i'm not a crypto expert
• 2953[17:28:04] <markybob> dym there is ##networking if you want confirmation
• 2954[17:28:47] <nkuttler> slyf0x: from their faq "In effect, the havege algorithm gathers the random timing variations encountered in benchmarking a PRNG calculation"
• 2955[17:28:56] <nkuttler> slyf0x: so it looks like the cpu is the source of entropy
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• 2958[17:29:51] <nkuttler> slyf0x: that sounds like it burns a lot of cpu cycles, and a less than optimal solution because of that. anyway..
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• 2960[17:31:28] <slyf0x> i see, well i remember some years ago when intel first started releasing CPU's with built in RNG's, i read that the NSA broke intels random number generator. even if we could audit the bazillions of lines of source code of everything on our system, how can we truly guarantee the security of a system that is running proprietary hardware and firmware?
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• 2965[17:32:34] <nkuttler> slyf0x: ##crypto
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• 2969[17:34:56] <markybob> death and taxes. that's all the guarantees you'll ever get
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• 2971[17:35:50] <nkuttler> oh well. you're also guaranteed that mixing "tainted" randomness into "good" randomness doesn't decrease your randomness
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• 2989[17:42:48] <Dar> df
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• 2991[17:43:10] <Dar> df
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• 3001[17:46:24] <alchemistswl> Hello, is there a command line editor where I can color code my text?
• 3002[17:47:07] <nkuttler> alchemistswl: what kind of text?
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• 3006[17:48:26] <dym> markybob: mhh okay. but still i dont get it. it only could use eth0 in this cases
• 3007[17:48:45] <alchemistswl> nkuttler: normal text, like notes
• 3008[17:48:50] <alchemistswl> No code
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• 3022[17:57:21] <nkuttler> alchemistswl: hm, well, do you want to save your files as text?
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• 3025[17:59:03] <alchemistswl> .txt preferably, i want to do note taking over ssh
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• 3027[17:59:41] <nkuttler> alchemistswl: no idea tbh
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• 3034[18:01:47] <alchemistswl> Hmm, okay thanks.
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• 3060[18:13:54] <msg> hey all
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• 3062[18:14:46] <msg> Theres program on my system called samtools, that takes a positional argument followed by a number of optional arguements, such as "samtools index" or "samtools sort"
• 3063[18:14:50] <msg> or samtools view
• 3064[18:15:22] <msg> If i type into the terminal "sam<tab>", it autocompletes to "samtools"
• 3065[18:15:25] <msg> no surprises there
• 3066[18:15:43] <msg> but if i type after that 'v<tab>', it autocompletes the view"
• 3067[18:15:45] <msg> too
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• 3069[18:16:05] <msg> so "sam<tab>i<tab>" == "samtools index"
• 3070[18:16:18] <msg> How the hell does bash know another programs arguments?! :P
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• 3074[18:19:27] <jonathan_zz> msg: there is a file and directory called bash_completion
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• 3076[18:20:08] <msg> oh, woah
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• 3079[18:21:12] <TomTomTosch> also check if that program has a hook in /etc/bash_completion.d/
• 3080[18:22:00] <teraflops> msg: take a look at /etc/bash_completion.d and /etc/bash-completion
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• 3084[18:22:30] <msg> ah, /etc/bash_competion.d/samtools :D
• 3085[18:22:33] <msg> thank you!
• 3086[18:22:55] <teraflops> Np
• 3087[18:23:06] <msg> So, er, to enable this for my own programs im supposed to move my config into my user's /etc/ directory?
• 3088[18:23:34] <lundmar> Hi. So, who can I pursuade to package gotty into Debian? replaced-url
• 3089[18:23:35] <msg> Seems a little... unmanaged :P
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• 3093[18:26:08] <teraflops> msg: /etc is for all the users. Just drop there your snippets. If you use zsh you can use bash-completion too but you need a couple of lines in your .zshrc
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• 3097[18:26:43] <msg> Ahhh, ok - thanks man thats really helpful :)
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• 3123[18:33:45] <jhutchins> msg: The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: replaced-url
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• 3125[18:34:04] <jhutchins> Gone. Oh well.
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• 3128[18:34:40] <jhutchins> !rfp
• 3129[18:34:40] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See replaced-url
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• 3144[18:38:46] <ptrz> does anyone know how I can get a bsd-style nologin(8) that prints a message stored in /etc/nologin.txt before exiting?
• 3145[18:39:02] <ptrz> I'm sure I could port or write my own, but I'd rather not
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• 3151[18:42:17] <RoyK> ptrz: iirc there's one installed by default
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• 3154[18:44:26] <ptrz> RoyK: it doesn't support /etc/nologin.txt, though
• 3155[18:44:34] <ptrz> that is, it only has one default message and you can't change it
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• 3163[18:48:39] <iamwhoiam> <iamwhoiam> hello people. I am checking how apt works, mainly because we are
• 3164[18:48:39] <iamwhoiam> thinking of checking whether different approaches concerning the
• 3165[18:48:39] <iamwhoiam> "solver" part might offer something new. Problem is we get a bit
• 3166[18:48:39] <iamwhoiam> lost concerning the current approach (eg the usage of a sat solver
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• 3168[18:49:07] <toruvinn> hrmf it was kinda in the topic too...
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• 3176[18:50:41] <iamwhoiam> hello people. I am checking how apt works, mainly because we are thinking of checking whether different approaches concerning the "solver" part might offer something new. Problem is we get a bit lost concerning the current approach (eg the usage of a sat solver is after optimizing the formula? does the sat solver provides ordering over the packages to be installed? if not, is that achieved by checking the actual solution the solver
• 3177[18:50:41] <iamwhoiam> provided? the cases where we get broken dependencies or something similar are due to the heuristics used? etc). Does anyone know a reference which might explain these steps? or an irc channel where I could ask? thank you.
• 3178[18:50:41] <iamwhoiam>
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• 3183[18:50:56] <deathdellic> 4 comments are a flood?
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• 3188[18:51:24] <hypermist> deathdellic, 4 comments in the exact same time frame is a flood yes
• 3189[18:51:48] <abrotman> pasted in, no less
• 3190[18:52:14] <jhutchins> ptrz: Are you talking about the nologin for locked accounts, or for all non-privileged users?
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• 3198[18:55:00] <ptrz> jhutchins: locked accounts
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• 3217[19:01:13] <jhutchins> ptrz: Ok, because login will display the contents of /etc/nologin if it exists, and refuse non-privileged accounts.
• 3218[19:01:42] <jhutchins> ptrz: I believe ssh now has an internal mechanism for locking accounts.
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• 3232[19:03:48] <jhutchins> ptrz: The message may be configurable through pam.
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• 3248[19:08:56] <ptrz> jhutchins: probably more robust to do it through the user's login shell, as we use ldap
• 3249[19:08:58] <ptrz> thanks for the info, tho
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• 3251[19:09:01] <ptrz> I have to run for now
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• 3260[19:13:02] <dez> how do i open a shell during install of debian?
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• 3265[19:14:01] <zykotick9> dez: did you try ctrl+alt+F2 type thing? i think it'll say something like "press enter to..."
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• 3267[19:14:14] <jelly> dez: there's a shell waiting to be opened on third or fourth virtual console (Ctrl-Alt-F3), see the install giude
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• 3269[19:14:43] <jelly> !install guide
• 3270[19:14:43] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at replaced-url
• 3271[19:14:43] <dez> ty
• 3272[19:14:59] <dez> also
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• 3274[19:15:13] <dez> counter strike crashes a few seconds after i open it
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• 3276[19:15:34] <dez> i am running it on a 64 bit machine with bumblebee
• 3277[19:15:42] <dez> (nvidia)
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• 3316[19:29:04] <jarlopez> Hi all. Is there a way to merge the three Debian DVD ISOs into one for installation? The target machine doesn't have a network interface yet, so I have to install the full distro from an external device (no net install)
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• 3318[19:29:21] <greycat> What do you consider "the full distro"?
• 3319[19:29:22] <anexit_> Is there a way with rsync to make sure permissions on ntfs are Administrators (777)?
• 3320[19:29:37] <greycat> Are you actually going to use any packages that are on DVDs 2 or 3?
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• 3324[19:30:32] <jarlopez> greycat: Good question. The main thing I'm looking to install on top is Gnome
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• 3326[19:30:43] <greycat> I would imagine that's on the first disc.
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• 3331[19:31:50] <jarlopez> greycat: I'll look into what packages each DVD has. Thanks for the pointers
• 3332[19:32:24] <TomTomTosch> you can use this tool: replaced-url
• 3333[19:32:43] <TomTomTosch> gnome-core is on dvd1
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• 3336[19:33:15] <jarlopez> TomTomTosch: Thanks
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• 3354[19:38:29] <dez> my debian installation stops at running dpkg (12%)
• 3355[19:38:32] <dez> any ideas?
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• 3383[19:45:25] <jelly> dez: switch to Alt-F4 (logs) and see if you can figure out what the last command was
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• 3492[20:27:11] <zykotick9> TomTomTosch: thanks for the cdimage-search link, i'd never seen that before. bookmarked.
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• 3498[20:29:02] <TomTomTosch> no problemo.
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• 3521[20:37:55] <DDR> What is "CPU Wait Load"? It seems to spike whenever I do any heavy disk io, like copy files, and my whole desktop becomes unresponsive when it spikes.
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• 3523[20:38:22] <greycat> it's time spent waiting for I/O (typically hard disk)
• 3524[20:38:53] <DDR> Right now, system monitor is saying it's at 90%-ish, and indeed - things are slow. Why are non-disk things slow too?
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• 3527[20:39:19] <greycat> Disk activity slowing down the whole system should be much less of an issue on modern multi-core CPUs, but it was a big deal a decade ago, especially when the kernel didn't manage to turn on DMA for the disk controller.
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• 3529[20:39:36] <greycat> Is this an old machine?
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• 3536[20:40:30] <DDR> No, it's a new intel i5-based machine.
• 3537[20:40:44] <DDR> I'm copying between two USB hard drives I have plugged in.
• 3538[20:41:04] <greycat> Oh, maybe it's something in the USB then. I don't really know.
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• 3540[20:41:40] <DDR> Me either. It's kind of bugging me, it's an ongoing problem.
• 3541[20:41:58] <greycat> See if dmesg is complaining about something.
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• 3543[20:42:04] <ryouma> DDR: this is a long-term problem i think. the best solution i found was nice ionice -c3
• 3544[20:42:30] <ryouma> thre are various kernel tweaks you can try, too, like cache pressure and the like
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• 3548[20:44:15] <ryouma> latencytop suppopdeldy helps
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• 3552[20:44:57] <ryouma> then you're really desperate if you try things like echo 4096 > /sys/block/sda/queue/nr_requests
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• 3556[20:45:55] <radikalguru> hey room
• 3557[20:46:09] <radikalguru> my debian jessie 8.4 doesnt automount usbs and i dont see them on fdisk-l or lsusb or lsblk
• 3558[20:46:14] <radikalguru> any suggestions?
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• 3624[21:10:17] <jhutchins> radikalguru: Still there? What desktop? dmesg may have good info.
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• 3633[21:13:13] <jhutchins> radikalguru: We should keep the discussion here, someone else may have an idea.
• 3634[21:13:25] <radikalguru> sure
• 3635[21:13:33] <jhutchins> radikalguru: Gnome has handlers that look for USB mounts and mount the drives in userspace.
• 3636[21:13:42] <jhutchins> radikalguru: Not sure how you make it happen in mate.
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• 3639[21:13:59] <jhutchins> radikalguru: xfce has a setting in the config menus for auto-mounting.
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• 3641[21:14:30] <jhutchins> radikalguru: I think udev was handling the drives before they moved to userspace, and that would mean that systemd might be handling them now.
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• 3643[21:15:19] <jhutchins> radikalguru: I don't see a USB connect in what you pasted.
• 3644[21:15:36] <jhutchins> radikalguru: (Be sure to use paste.debian.net, not the channel)
• 3645[21:15:36] <radikalguru> yep, there is nothing
• 3646[21:15:54] <jhutchins> radikalguru: That argues bad port, hub, or device.
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• 3651[21:16:45] <jhutchins> radikalguru: Get any blinkeylights?
• 3652[21:17:03] <radikalguru> yep
• 3653[21:17:08] <radikalguru> for an instance only
• 3654[21:17:18] <radikalguru> it goes off after that
• 3655[21:17:26] <jhutchins> ,kernels
• 3656[21:17:27] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.6.0-rc3-686 (4.6~rc3-1~exp1); sid: 4.5.0-1-686-pae (4.5.1-1); stretch: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.4.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.4.6-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
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• 3661[21:18:02] <jhutchins> radikalguru: I hear good things about the 4x kernels.
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• 3663[21:18:47] <radikalguru> im on 3.16
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• 3665[21:19:36] <radikalguru> gotta afk for a min j, thx for helping
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• 3698[21:32:23] <RoyK> hm
• 3699[21:32:23] <RoyK> snmp-mibs-downloader
• 3700[21:32:33] <pi_> lubuntu mouse cursor not present? what can i do about it
• 3701[21:32:38] <RoyK> seems to be "suggested", but I can't find it in the repos - this is jessie
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• 3703[21:32:53] <cypherman> hi
• 3704[21:33:01] <cypherman> is there any opensource alternative to moodle?
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• 3706[21:33:08] <cypherman> what channel can i ask this?
• 3707[21:33:14] <cypherman> in which*
• 3708[21:33:15] <teraflops> cypherman: what's wrong with moodle?
• 3709[21:33:33] <cypherman> teraflops: nothing, just wanted to explore other options
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• 3713[21:33:52] <teraflops> moodle is opensource btw
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• 3719[21:35:52] <lancebeet> cypherman: replaced-url
• 3720[21:36:38] <jhutchins> ,v moodle
• 3721[21:36:39] <judd> Package: moodle on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.9.9.dfsg2-2.1+squeeze3; squeeze: 1.9.9.dfsg2-2.1+squeeze4; sid: 2.7.13+dfsg-1
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• 3723[21:37:40] <teraflops> cypherman: moodle + openmeetings + bigbluebutton ... I cannot imagine something more reliable
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• 3725[21:37:53] <frubar42> ohai there
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• 3729[21:38:48] <frubar42> does anyone of you know what to do about the following error message after an apt-get update?
• 3730[21:38:51] <frubar42> E: Release file for replaced-url
• 3731[21:39:00] <jelly> jhutchins: only distributed in releases starting with s*
• 3732[21:39:29] <cypherman> teraflops: openmeeting and bigbluebutton? are those modules? addons?
• 3733[21:39:44] <jelly> frubar42: it means you may have hardcoded the IP address for security.debian.org to a mirror that's not used any more
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• 3735[21:40:26] <frubar42> jelly: well, not quite: deb replaced-url
• 3736[21:40:29] <teraflops> cypherman: live video/audio and dashboard for the rooms
• 3737[21:40:45] <jelly> frubar42: what does "getent hosts security.debian.org" say?
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• 3741[21:41:54] <jelly> frubar42: and, say, "grep security.debian.org /etc/hosts"
• 3742[21:42:03] <teraflops> cypherman: those are standalone applications but they have moodle integration
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• 3744[21:42:19] <jelly> !paste
• 3745[21:42:19] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 3746[21:42:30] <cypherman> teraflops: yeah i'm reading in moodle plugins page
• 3747[21:42:39] <frubar42> jelly: it prints out an ipv6 address. I guess the issue is that I don't have ipv6 connectivity
• 3748[21:42:42] <jelly> frubar42: put all the output into a single pastebin entry if possible, please
• 3749[21:43:08] <jelly> frubar42: also "getent ahosts security.debian.org"
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• 3753[21:44:13] <teraflops> cypherman: to be honest I hardly believe you'll find something more reliable and powerful than moodle
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• 3798[21:56:40] <frubar42> jelly: replaced-url
• 3799[21:57:14] <frubar42> jelly: The thing is: getenv shows only ipv6 adresses, but I don't have v6 connectivity
• 3800[21:57:26] <frubar42> jelly: *getent
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• 3805[21:58:02] <jelly> frubar42: → also "getent ahosts security.debian.org"
• 3806[21:58:41] <frubar42> jelly: replaced-url
• 3807[21:58:55] <greycat> "Javascript is required for ZeroBin to work." "Sorry for the inconvenience."
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• 3811[21:59:26] <frubar42> jelly: The system is a cloned lxc container, may this be an issue? Something I forgot to change?
• 3812[21:59:38] <jelly> frubar42: where are you getting those │··· from?
• 3813[21:59:49] * greycat waits for someone to translate the "HERE MY URL" into actual questions that can be read by a human being.
• 3814[22:00:29] <frubar42> jelly: just garbage, the frame of a tmux session
• 3815[22:00:32] <jelly> greycat: get a decent browser, or just ignore these questions
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• 3820[22:01:28] <frubar42> jelly: so nothing to worry about
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• 3822[22:02:15] <jelly> frubar42: resolver output seems fine, so it's not anything obvious. You still may have traffic getting cached/intercepted silently or are explicitely using a proxy/cache
• 3823[22:02:58] <frubar42> jelly: Some repo caches I could clean?
• 3824[22:03:14] <jelly> frubar42: are you using a proxy of some sort?
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• 3828[22:03:46] <frubar42> jelly: maybe a dnsmasq resolver
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• 3834[22:04:12] <jelly> that's not a http proxy messing with apt's downloads
• 3835[22:04:16] <teraflops> There are actuall a bunch of sane pasteboard sites. Why the hell people picks the worst ones?
• 3836[22:04:28] <teraflops> Actually*
• 3837[22:04:29] <jelly> they're probably the coolest ones!
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• 3839[22:04:52] <greycat> Obviously the long URLs like replaced-url
• 3840[22:04:55] <jelly> frubar42: well you could rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*_* and do an apt-get update again
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• 3844[22:05:27] <jelly> frubar42: and wipe any /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/*_* if existent, too
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• 3846[22:05:45] <babilen> (just don't wipe the entire directory)
• 3847[22:06:03] <jelly> those specific globs won't wipe anything important
• 3848[22:06:14] <babilen> Yeah, so .. don't go overboard
• 3849[22:06:16] <jelly> (in particular they won't wipe the lock file)
• 3850[22:06:42] <jelly> also I just like to write *_*
• 3851[22:07:11] <frubar42> jelly: \0/ it works. appearently it was a caching issue
• 3852[22:07:17] <frubar42> jelly: thx
• 3853[22:07:20] <jelly> it happens
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• 3855[22:07:29] <jelly> consider using paste.debian.net next time
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• 3873[22:13:09] <cypherman> is there any repo for the latest linphone application?
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• 3875[22:14:53] <jhutchins> cypherman: Debian isn't really about having the latest of things, it likes things to be well patched and tested.
• 3876[22:14:57] <Wolf480pl> Hello. What is the purpose of /var/log/daemon.log and /var/log/user.log, and their respective syslog facilities?
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• 3878[22:15:30] <jhutchins> Wolf480pl: In short to sort and categorize log mesages so it's easier to find the ones you need.
• 3879[22:15:40] <cypherman> jhutchins: i ask because the current version is buggy and they say in the latest version several things are now fixed
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• 3882[22:15:55] <cypherman> maybe not much people use it
• 3883[22:15:58] <jhutchins> ,v linphone
• 3884[22:15:59] <judd> Package: linphone on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.3.2-1; wheezy: 3.5.2-10; jessie: 3.6.1-2.4+b1; stretch: 3.6.1-2.5; sid: 3.6.1-2.5+b1
• 3885[22:16:01] <cypherman> its a great app for the smartphone also
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• 3888[22:16:31] <Wolf480pl> jhutchins, yeah, but if 'daemon' is for daemons without their own facility, what is 'user' for?
• 3889[22:16:41] <cypherman> jhutchins: i think its now v3.7.0
• 3890[22:16:42] <greycat> whatever rsyslog.conf says it's for
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• 3894[22:17:32] <greycat> My /var/log/user.log.1 appears to have only the results of update-grub for some reason.
• 3895[22:18:16] <jelly> Wolf480pl: syslog has a facility called "user"
• 3896[22:18:20] <Wolf480pl> yeah, I know
• 3897[22:18:30] <Wolf480pl> but why would something use that facility?
• 3898[22:18:39] <jelly> why not?
• 3899[22:18:44] <greycat> Apparently only update-grub does.
• 3900[22:18:46] <jhutchins> cypherman: They recommend using the Distro version. The alternative would be to build it from source, which is what you do if you want the latest bleeding bugs.
• 3901[22:19:00] <jelly> /exec -o logger "I just logged something, yay"
• 3902[22:19:12] <greycat> Ah, syslog(3) says LOG_USER is the default.
• 3903[22:19:20] <jhutchins> Wolf480pl: You can look at the syslog config to see what's routed where.
• 3904[22:19:21] <jelly> Apr 19 20:19:02 kanta jelly: I just logged something, yay
• 3905[22:19:30] <greycat> So it's probably just that update-grub doesn't bother to pick a "facility".
• 3906[22:19:33] <Wolf480pl> jhutchins, I know, I'm about to remove user.log from that config
• 3907[22:19:42] <Wolf480pl> just wondering why it might be useful
• 3908[22:19:50] <Wolf480pl> and why I should not really remove it
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• 3910[22:19:54] <greycat> Why would you remove it from rsyslog.conf?
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• 3912[22:20:03] <greycat> So you can be sure those log messages are LOST?
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• 3914[22:20:11] <Wolf480pl> they go to /var/log/syslog anyway
• 3915[22:20:20] <Wolf480pl> they are in 3 different places at the same time
• 3916[22:20:24] <jelly> it creates an evil empty file in /var/log!!!1
• 3917[22:20:26] <jhutchins> Wolf480pl: Remember that one of the useful things about logs is that when something goes wrong, you have information. If nothing's going wrong, why mess with it?
• 3918[22:20:37] <cypherman> jhutchins: i found this but its for wheezy, i'm running jessie: replaced-url
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• 3920[22:21:05] <jelly> Wolf480pl: I filter duplicated stuff that is actually useful out of /var/log/{syslog,messages}
• 3921[22:21:06] <Wolf480pl> I'm trying to organize them a little bit better, match by specific daemons, parse the contents, etc
• 3922[22:21:09] <jhutchins> Wolf480pl: It really gets down to personal preference. I've modified my log config to be closer to what RedHat uses, because that's what I learned on, but I've gotten more flexible.
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• 3924[22:21:27] <jhutchins> Wolf480pl: With grep to track down where info ends up it doesn't matter too much.
• 3925[22:21:30] <jelly> the catch-all files are rather useless to me
• 3926[22:21:52] <jhutchins> jelly: For me they're the first place I go, because they have everythign.
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• 3928[22:22:21] <jelly> jhutchins: I modify RHEL and Centos silly setup to look like Debian's for the same reason
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• 3930[22:22:26] <devster31> Hi, I'm getting a strange error: I have a simple /opt/something directory owned by user:users with permissions 755, pretty standard, somehow I need root permission to remove it, otherwise I get permission denied errors, why is that?
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• 3935[22:22:52] <jelly> fuck am I going to grep when I can have a separate /var/log/kern.log
• 3936[22:22:52] <greycat> devster31: to remove the entire *directory*? That would be determined by the permissions of ITS parent directory.
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• 3938[22:22:59] <kion> hello I have my office wireless network and also I can reach the cafe's across the street one, how do I tell debian to prefer one over the other? yesturday I was at my office connected to the cafe's wifi without knowing
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• 3943[22:23:37] <devster31> greycat: oh, that makes sense, so in this case they would be root permissions for /opt
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• 3986[22:39:47] <EmergencyMedical> Hello
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• 3991[22:40:46] <lifeofguenter_> I'm sure I am the only one, but how awesome is systemd?
• 3992[22:41:03] <EmergencyMedical> I moved to Mountian time zone USA from Central time zone USA and now I have 1 hour ahead PC. I ran dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and selected US and then Mountain Time Zone and then ran ntdpate pool.ntp.org and adjusted the time and now I have still 1 hour ahead on debian while worldclock and my phone both says 2:30 and my debian pc says 3:30
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• 3997[22:41:25] <EmergencyMedical> How can I correct my pc time?
• 3998[22:41:31] <EmergencyMedical> Do I need to edit my bios time?
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• 4001[22:42:08] <EmergencyMedical> Current default time zone: 'US/Mountain'
• 4002[22:42:09] <EmergencyMedical> Local time is now: Tue Apr 19 14:38:09 MDT 2016.
• 4003[22:42:20] <EmergencyMedical> So that says correctly, 2:xx
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• 4005[22:42:53] <EmergencyMedical> Hm. I guess when I run 'date' the time is okay but I have also Xmobar/Xmonad and up to in Xmobar it still says 15:42
• 4006[22:42:55] <greycat> You ran ntpdate but did not restart ntpd?
• 4007[22:43:02] <EmergencyMedical> Instead of 14:42 (which confused me)
• 4008[22:43:09] <frostschutz> EmergencyMedical, process might have to restart to notice time zone changes... you don't have to resync ntp, the unix time (seconds since epoch) will not change ;)
• 4009[22:43:10] <EmergencyMedical> greycat: I wasn't aware that I had to
• 4010[22:43:12] <greycat> Oh. date is fine. So you probably just need to log out and back in.
• 4011[22:43:22] <EmergencyMedical> ah
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• 4015[22:43:29] <EmergencyMedical> it's a login thing or can I restart Xmobar
• 4016[22:43:37] <greycat> I thought you were running date, but it turns out to be A GUI Issue.
• 4017[22:43:38] <EmergencyMedical> ok np
• 4018[22:43:45] <EmergencyMedical> I did winkey + q and reloaded the Xmonad
• 4019[22:43:47] <EmergencyMedical> Now my time is ok
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• 4021[22:44:07] <EmergencyMedical> That is something newly learned. It doesn't auto pickup the corrected time unless you restart the program
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• 4023[22:44:32] <greycat> Most GUIs are not designed to reread the time zone definition, because that is not expected to change very often.
• 4024[22:44:43] <EmergencyMedical> Ah ok
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• 4026[22:44:49] <EmergencyMedical> Like my new nickname?
• 4027[22:45:18] <EmergencyMedical> It's fun. So now back to work.
• 4028[22:45:45] <EmergencyMedical> frostschutz: good to know. ty
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• 4046[22:53:32] <mutante> dpkg: help
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• 4062[23:02:20] <mutante> i'm migrating a server from Ubuntu precise to Debian jessie. it used the package "python-irclib" and that doesnt exist anymore. i wonder why it got dropped
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• 4064[23:02:52] <mutante> and maybe advice on how to go about building it
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• 4066[23:04:24] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. I have a shotcut to open iceweasel "iceweasel %u". What do I have to add to it to make it open maximized?
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• 4069[23:04:44] * Lady_Aleena has kitten on her back at the moment so typing is a challenge.
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• 4074[23:06:07] <mutante> searching on packages.debian.org i am getting Internal Server Errors
• 4075[23:06:15] <aphorise> How can I disabled system mail related to mpt-status: replaced-url
• 4076[23:06:19] <teraflops> Lady_Aleena: I think you can't do it only with a desktop file
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• 4078[23:06:56] <mutante> Lady_Aleena: somebody needs to write a FOSS clone of replaced-url
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• 4081[23:07:45] <ksk> mutante: hey ;) packages.debian.org has issues, press f5 repeatedly. seems there are packages in oldstable and unstable
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• 4085[23:08:18] <mutante> ksk: hey, that's a surprise. greetings and thank you, i will try again later
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• 4088[23:09:09] <Lady_Aleena> mutante, right now she is sitting on the back of my chair giving me bad posture.
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• 4090[23:09:42] <Lady_Aleena> teraflops, so no way to make iceweasel open maximized?
• 4091[23:09:58] <teraflops> I didn't say that
• 4092[23:10:27] <ksk> mutante: if you wanted to build a package for yourself check out how debian does it in oldstable and unstable (but over there $stuff might differ) or try some python thingy like pip? or just take the two files included in that debian package and put them in the directory where your script is located
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• 4096[23:11:41] <mutante> yes, thank you. i can't use pip in this case. i'll look at oldstable and rebuilding that
• 4097[23:12:01] <mutante> ksk: pip isnt allowed in this environment, but ^ .. thanks
• 4098[23:12:03] <teraflops> Lady_Aleena: there are some extensions. But what about creating a wrapper forbffband calling it from the desktop file?
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• 4102[23:12:23] <teraflops> For iceweasel sorry
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• 4104[23:12:46] <Lady_Aleena> teraflops, I was hoping for a simpler option.
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• 4106[23:13:00] <teraflops> Simpler that That?
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• 4113[23:13:52] <teraflops> It's alive...
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• 4116[23:15:01] <Lady_Aleena> teraflops, I don't want the headache of having to remember to back up yet another file. I was hoping for a command line option.
• 4117[23:15:14] <teraflops> A file with just iceweasel --full-screen or whatever it is. Name it my Firefox and call it from the desktop File?
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• 4119[23:15:46] <teraflops> Fair enough
• 4120[23:16:33] <Lady_Aleena> teraflops, I have enough problems with backups right now. My USB drive died and I don't know how much I will be losing since I can't access the files on it anymore.
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• 4125[23:17:13] <Lady_Aleena> My backups always fail, and I always lose things.
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• 4130[23:18:10] <Lady_Aleena> Sorry, that is not a Debian problem.
• 4131[23:18:33] <jelly> fix your backups, and back up everything so you won't get a headache
• 4132[23:18:51] <jelly> "of having to remember to back up" a specific file
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• 4137[23:19:33] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, the last 2 USB drives I used for backups have quit on me. I'm cursed.
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• 4147[23:20:35] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: that means you only lots the backups, which isn't that bad
• 4148[23:20:38] <jelly> lost*
• 4149[23:20:39] <Lady_Aleena> Oh, and one time when I used rsync, I have --delete set and lost thousands of files on accident.
• 4150[23:20:56] <Lady_Aleena> s/have/had/;
• 4151[23:21:21] <Lady_Aleena> So I am terrified of rsync these days.
• 4152[23:21:30] <jelly> and that's why you use dirvish or rsnapshot or some other well known wrapper for rsync instead of NIH'ing your own
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• 4154[23:21:34] <teraflops> I prefer taking snapshots it is.possible
• 4155[23:22:16] * Lady_Aleena wishes she were flexible to get Nybble, her kitten, off her back.
• 4156[23:22:22] <jelly> snapshots take a lot of space
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• 4158[23:23:07] <teraflops> jelly: hmm btrfs not as much as I thought
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• 4160[23:23:09] <jelly> (well, image backups of snapshots do. Snapshots on the same storage device as the original do not count as "backup")
• 4161[23:23:10] <Lady_Aleena> Can we pin this for about 10 minutes, I need to get up and do something in my kitchen.
• 4162[23:23:53] <teraflops> jelly: sure I do btrfs send to external machine
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• 4168[23:24:38] <teraflops> Heh
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• 4172[23:25:27] <G33KY> Hi, how do I fix grub automatically mounting my root as read-only? In the menu entry it has the ro parameter and it should say rw, what should i change?
• 4173[23:25:30] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: that's fine, any impression that someone's waiting with bated breath just for your response is probably a lie anyway
• 4174[23:25:39] <teraflops> Lady_Aleena: heh actually I'm taking a walk with my cat
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• 4177[23:26:51] <jelly> G33KY: that's a feature, not a bug. The system remounts in rw mode during the normal boot process.
• 4178[23:27:35] <G33KY> It doesnt seem to be, because i tried loading wicd-curses on the new install and it tells me it cant create .wicd because its a read only file system
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• 4180[23:28:06] <jelly> G33KY: that's not grub's fault, the cause is somewhere else
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• 4185[23:28:49] <G33KY> Any idea where? I was thinking /etc/fstab but that looks normal (defaults used)
• 4186[23:28:59] <jelly> G33KY: inspect the output of dmesg and/or journalctl for issues.
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• 4188[23:29:17] <jelly> something else is making your / fs be mounted read-only
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• 4190[23:29:26] <jelly> usually a fs error.
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• 4195[23:30:23] <jelly> G33KY: which debian release are you using?
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• 4197[23:30:43] <G33KY> sid. i installed it using debootstrap.
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• 4202[23:31:09] <jelly> !debian-next
• 4203[23:31:10] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 4207[23:32:42] <jelly> G33KY: ask there, then. You're expected to have some experience with linux systems using sid, that kind of includes knowing which logs to look at
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• 4211[23:33:14] <G33KY> I'm pretty sure its just something I bugged up in the debootstrap manual install, but i'll ask
• 4212[23:33:32] <jelly> quite possible.
• 4213[23:33:33] <Lady_Aleena> Before I go into backups again, I need to buy a new USB drive. One day the technology will exist to retrieve the data on these defunct USB drives.
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• 4215[23:34:08] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: it exists already. Data recovery companies charge a pretty penny tho.
• 4216[23:34:17] <Lady_Aleena> It is just depressing to know I have a 64 GB USB drive I can't use for fear I will lose data.
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• 4221[23:35:02] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, And I don't have enough pretty pennies.
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• 4223[23:35:19] <jelly> I guess your data isn't worth the pennies, then
• 4224[23:35:56] <Lady_Aleena> The 64GB drive died when I gave it a new name with GParted(sp?).
• 4225[23:36:11] <G33KY> Oh wait I found it
• 4226[23:36:25] <G33KY> Im an idiot and when editing the fstab i forgot to put the mount location
• 4227[23:36:37] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, I'd rather pay the mortgage and utilities.
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• 4229[23:36:44] <G33KY> so i just had /dev/sda1 vfat defaults 0 0
• 4230[23:37:25] <seeS> yah, no mount point
• 4231[23:37:49] <seeS> knowing mount it would come up with some odd non-obvious error
• 4232[23:38:13] <ksk> mutante: yw. never used pip myself either..
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• 4245[23:43:35] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: next time, consider devices based on spinning metal platters with a small (4 KiB) sector size are probably better suited for backups than cheap flash sticks (with 2-4MiB sized flash rewrite blocks and a lifetime of a couple hundred rewrites)
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• 4247[23:44:27] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, um what?
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• 4252[23:45:49] * Lady_Aleena hasn't been thinking "techie" for a while, so is having a hard time keeping up.
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• 4254[23:46:02] <Lady_Aleena> My brain is mush basically.
• 4255[23:46:41] <Lady_Aleena> .oO(Too much YouTube recently.)
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• 4259[23:47:42] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: hard disks, not flash sticks
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• 4261[23:48:01] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, I thought that was what you were talking about, just had to be sure.
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• 4266[23:49:20] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: These days, most SATA drives can be hot-plugged. I have a server with five spare drives, the accountant swaps the backup drive each morning. (Scripts make sure it's unmounted.)
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• 4268[23:50:04] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: It was the best compromise between price, convenience, and capacity at the time, and I don't think much has changed. Writeable BluRay is still too expensive.
• 4269[23:50:15] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins, I had a back up drive like that once, it burned up.
• 4270[23:50:31] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: Tape is both expensive and unreliable at the SO/HO scale.
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• 4273[23:51:01] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: There is google drive, other cloud services, crashplan...
• 4274[23:51:08] <Lady_Aleena> Also, I have many files I want to save but only 1 file which I CAN NOT lose, my checkbook.
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• 4276[23:51:24] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: Good to have multiple copies in different locations.
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• 4278[23:51:41] <Lady_Aleena> Yes, losing all the pictures would be heartbreaking, but losing my checkbook would destroy us.
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• 4281[23:52:09] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: I have a circle of techie friends who each has a large backup server, they backup to it and to each of the other friends servers.
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• 4283[23:52:56] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins, the last time I trusted a "free" file hosting service, I got screwed. The owner took the server offline, and I lost everything there.
• 4284[23:52:59] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: I'd probably keep a burned copy of that in a safe deposit box, keep a more frequent local copy, and update the box copy regularly.
• 4285[23:53:40] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: A CD is probably bigger than you need.
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• 4287[23:54:25] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins, I'll just either buy a new USB for now or reformat the 64GB one I have and just hope I didn't lose too much.
• 4288[23:54:59] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: There are tools like photorec that might recover things _before_ you format.
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• 4290[23:55:25] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: Flash should not be your primary backup. It's ok for secondary backup, but anything you have only on flash you do not really have.
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• 4292[23:55:47] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins, I think I tried that already, and it didn't work.
• 4293[23:55:47] <jhutchins> Lady_Aleena: It's like Schroedenger's Cat - you never know until you try to restore it whether the drive has failed.
• 4294[23:55:50] <seeS> I'd use (and do use) cloud backup
• 4295[23:55:50] <seeS> or a mix, mirrored drives, portable USB drive for bulk backup and cloud for other stuff
• 4296[23:56:27] <Lady_Aleena> Also, I do have a second hard drive in my computer where I also back things up (which is where I lost a lot during a botched rsync).
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• 4301[23:57:08] <unborn> here is pure debian home server backup + sync... it was best option currently for me regards price and freedom whit options what I can do with it
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• 4304[23:57:34] <Lady_Aleena> What I need is faith in rsync again. It is more my fear of screwing it up and deleting the wrong things.
• 4305[23:57:57] <unborn> Lady_Aleena: I use it non stop.. had no single issue with rsync
• 4306[23:58:16] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: that wasn't rsync's fault, that was your PEBKAC
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• 4308[23:58:39] <Lady_Aleena> unborn, when I last used it, I saw thousands of files being deleted which I didn't want deleted.
• 4309[23:59:00] <jelly> a good admin learns from mistakes and changes their workflow to avoid the same thing happening again
• 4310[23:59:06] <unborn> Lady_Aleena: problem was possibly between your chair and your keyboard.. you know..
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• 4314[23:59:28] <jelly> and yeah we all do silly, data losing errors
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• 4316[23:59:30] <Lady_Aleena> jelly and unborn, I know the problem is all in my head.
• 4317[23:59:33] <teraflops> you can always make a cheap nas with an arm board and all the HDDs you can/want for doing backups
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