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• 26[00:09:14] <paule32> then i would like install softwar, but getting this when dpkg -i libc6*.deb :
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• 94[00:56:34] <chicken> hi I need to install a copy of debian so I can run diehard, does debian come with diehard?
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• 97[00:57:34] <bazhang> chicken the game diehard through steam?
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• 100[00:58:04] <bazhang> ,v diehard
• 101[00:58:05] <judd> No package named 'diehard' was found in amd64.
• 102[00:58:23] <chicken> replaced-url
• 103[00:58:45] <bazhang> whats the package name
• 104[00:59:19] <stoned> Haha, chicken, great nickname
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• 111[01:01:38] <chicken> diehard
• 112[01:01:46] <chicken> but I think i found it already
• 113[01:01:50] <chicken> thnx stoned
• 114[01:03:40] <transhuman__> hi cherrypy depends on reprconf which no longer seems to exist. whats the best way to update cherrypy so it doesnt break the debian system?
• 115[01:03:45] <transhuman__> this is on jessie
• 116[01:04:25] <transhuman__> or is this best addressed in #python?
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• 118[01:05:23] <transhuman__> this is the error replaced-url
• 119[01:06:22] <jmcnaught> transhuman__: if you're not using the cherrypy package provided by Debian you're probably better off asking the in #python
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• 121[01:06:45] <transhuman__> ok thanks
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• 218[01:56:21] <atannus> Has anyone noticed an R issue with the latest update to Stretch?
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• 226[02:00:14] <atannus> I can't plot anything in R and it's related to X11. Here's some output. I wonder if this is related to the lates updates since everything was working last night and today, update/upgrade broke something. replaced-url
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• 228[02:01:47] <atannus> Is #debian-next a more apropriate place to ask?
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• 230[02:02:25] <jmcnaught> atannus: for stretch it's probably a good habit to ask there first
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• 312[03:05:10] <devster31> are bind mounts the best solution if I wanted to move a big directory in another drive? like /srv
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• 316[03:06:49] <jml2> devster31, ??
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• 318[03:08:00] <jml2> devster31, you can use a symlink, but a "bind" map sometimes is better depending on how the application is looking at it.. I've seen some applications resolve the symlink which has the opposite effect that is intended
• 319[03:09:24] <devster31> the drive where /srv is on is quite small, it contains files for nginx and I didn't know I could symlink the entire /srv
• 320[03:10:02] <jmcnaught> devster31: if you are using LVM and have unallocated space you can grow the /srv volume
• 321[03:10:38] <devster31> nothing like that I'm afraid, it's a home setup and I didn't plan it very well
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• 324[03:12:02] <jmcnaught> are you trying to merge another filesystem into where /srv is? that won't be possible without using something like aufs, which might not perform very well
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• 327[03:12:50] <devster31> no, just to move the folder in a bigger drive without messing too much stuff up
• 328[03:12:58] <devster31> both drives are ext4
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• 330[03:13:39] <jmcnaught> copying everything to the new filesystem and then mounting it to /srv is an option?
• 331[03:13:57] <devster31> yes, I assumed I needed to bind mount
• 332[03:14:36] <jml2> devster31, would be better to use mount bind .. dunno if that works across drives though
• 333[03:14:37] <jmcnaught> if acting as the new /srv is the only thing this filesystem will be doing, i don't see why you would need a bind mount
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• 336[03:15:28] <jml2> devster31, but if you're doing it across a "drive", it is possible to mount it the "same" old path -- you can have two mountpoints for the same "root partition"
• 337[03:15:52] <jml2> devster31, i'm not sure of any technical implications with this.. though i don't think it would be too worrying
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• 339[03:16:11] <jml2> devster31, if it was insane and too dangerous.. i think the system wouldn't allow it
• 340[03:16:33] <jmcnaught> however you do it, make sure to document it somewhere so it makes sense when you look at it again six months from now
• 341[03:16:33] <jml2> devster31, but I think this means only for "bind" mountpoints..
• 342[03:16:41] <jml2> devster31, I implied otherwise..
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• 344[03:16:53] <jml2> devster31, there's a variety of bind expressions ...
• 345[03:17:56] <devster31> alright, I'll try a bit in a vm see what happens, thanks
• 346[03:17:58] <jml2> devster31, how many root partitions are under /srv? just one? then that is very easy to do..
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• 349[03:18:24] <jml2> devster31, you just change the device path.... or assing the new UUID of that "root partition" again /srv
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• 354[03:18:38] <jml2> devster31, you're just updating the mapping, but the mapping target is still "/srv"
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• 361[03:23:58] <jml2> lol
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• 363[03:23:59] <jml2> yeah ;-)
• 364[03:24:12] <jml2> i shouldn't have to guess what he's trying ..
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• 366[03:24:34] <jml2> zz, :)
• 367[03:25:00] <jml2> obviously "bind" is not what he's supposed to use -- it's an advanced topic that one needs to be specific as what he's mapping..
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• 369[03:25:06] <jml2> yips
• 370[03:25:45] <jml2> zz, is that supposed to be a butt ?
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• 379[03:31:11] <devster31> right now I have replaced-url
• 380[03:31:48] <devster31> directory /srv is in /dev/mmcblk0p2
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• 382[03:32:09] <jml2> devster31, if you type "blkid" you'll get an UUID number, you can replace "/dev/sda1" with "UUID=XXXXX" in /etc/fstab --- occassionaly "/dev/sda" might be called "/dev/sdb" instead on reboots
• 383[03:32:26] <jml2> devster31, (and same with /dev/mmc* )
• 384[03:33:01] <jml2> devster31, unless there's no UUID detection of mmc devices.. this looks like a rpi setup
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• 386[03:33:22] <jml2> devster31, likely /dev/mmc* wont ever change so that doesnt really need to be changed..
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• 388[03:33:29] <jml2> devster31, (as it is on-board)
• 389[03:34:06] <jml2> devster31, -- since you don't want to risk not being able to mount it on the start up.. you'll have to end up taking out the card... and fixing fstab again, so /dev/mmc* looks fine enough
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• 395[03:36:36] <dongforce> I am evading a ban on this channel
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• 397[03:37:38] <devster31> not a pi, but a similar board yes, I'll change the dev to the UUID, it seems short though, I get /dev/sda1: LABEL="160" UUID="D01C-A3F6"
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• 402[03:38:18] <zinx> devster31: sounds like a FAT filesystem
• 403[03:38:21] <jml2> devster31, just make sure you can revert it, -- (take out the board and then reapply the fstab change back), if it cant boot..
• 404[03:38:49] <dongforce> Your filesystem has been consuming unusually large amounts of ice cream lately
• 405[03:38:53] <jml2> devster31, i dunnot about rpi-like boards-- but on standard debian you can use UUID for the root "/" mountpoints without issue
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• 407[03:38:59] <dongforce> it has therefore been converted to FAT
• 408[03:39:16] <jml2> dongforce, it's commont to see vfat on rpi-like boards..
• 409[03:39:32] <jml2> dongforce, saves power/drive access to keep these systems "speedy"
• 410[03:39:43] <devster31> alright, I'll try thanks
• 411[03:39:45] <dongforce> but it cannot be FAT like your mom unless it eats like your mom
• 412[03:39:53] <jml2> it means less security of course (no acl/unix permissions) -- but it is after-all rpi-like
• 413[03:39:55] <devster31> hence the ban reason
• 414[03:40:00] <jml2> yep
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• 416[03:40:04] <jml2> !ops dongforce evading ban
• 417[03:40:05] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jml2 complains about: dongforce evading ban
• 418[03:40:10] <dongforce> excuse me?
• 419[03:40:15] * jml2 ignores dongforce
• 420[03:40:52] <jml2> devster31, we can talk without him, just add him to /ignore.. looks like the ops are not around atm
• 421[03:40:55] <dongforce> !ops jml2 making bullshit reports via the !ops command
• 422[03:40:55] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dongforce complains about: jml2 making bullshit reports via the !ops command
• 423[03:41:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o themill
• 424[03:41:07] <dongforce> easy
• 425[03:41:09] <dongforce> no opping
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• 427[03:41:15] *** themill sets mode: +b *!*@81.17.28.231
• 428[03:41:18] *** themill sets mode: -o themill
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• 430[03:42:00] <themill> jml2: thanks
• 431[03:42:26] <jml2> themill, thanks too :).. rarely i see them but it's still the weekend ;-)
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• 435[03:43:06] <jml2> it's a good channel.. and i like to see it clean. :)
• 436[03:43:16] * jml2 whispers "good"
• 437[03:43:28] <jml2> :))
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• 451[03:56:40] <ecrofgnod> whats the difference from a practical standpoint between ubuntu and debian?
• 452[03:57:35] <jml2> ecrofgnod, they both contribute back to the same packages.. it's matter of Desktop taste.. Ubuntu is easy to setup, but Debian takes a bit more learning to do
• 453[03:57:36] <zinx> not a whole heck of a lot. the differences are mostly political and in how packages are maintained
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• 456[03:57:56] <jml2> ecrofgnod, also "Unity" is not available (or don't think ever will be) packaged in Debian..
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• 458[03:58:03] <ecrofgnod> okay
• 459[03:58:17] <ecrofgnod> what exactly is that?
• 460[03:58:24] <jml2> ecrofgnod, the "package" repos used to be the "same" back a couple years ago.. this is no longer the case.. so mixing the repos is not adviced of course
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• 462[03:58:29] <themill> The support life-cycle including which packages are supported is quite different.
• 463[03:58:32] <jml2> !Unity
• 464[03:58:32] <dpkg> Unity is a shell interface for <GNOME>, part of the Ayatana project. <RFP> filed as Debian bug #609278. replaced-url
• 465[03:58:34] <bdog7> ecrofgnod, comunity vs comercial
• 466[03:59:06] <ecrofgnod> ubuntu is open source and so is debian right?
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• 468[03:59:20] <jml2> ecrofgnod, Ubuntu is a trademark owned by canonical
• 469[03:59:30] <ecrofgnod> how can something completely free and having no ads be commercial
• 470[03:59:44] <jml2> ecrofgnod, you need permission to its name in Ubuntu derivatives if you carry it's name anywhere in your derivative project name
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• 472[03:59:48] <bdog7> yes, ubuntu takes a copy of debian testing to start their distro
• 473[04:00:00] <jml2> ecrofgnod, so there's more legal implications
• 474[04:00:01] <zykotick9> ecrofgnod: you can't run ubuntu in freedom. you _can_ run debian in freedom.
• 475[04:00:04] <themill> ecrofgnod: you'd have to ask the ubuntu people about their rules for their packages and their business model
• 476[04:00:36] <jml2> ecrofgnod, also Canonical/Ubuntu are getting careless, they're melding "ZFS" non-GPL software together with GPL.. foss came out to denounce this practice..
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• 478[04:00:41] <ecrofgnod> I personally can understand the reasoning provided the only restriction is on the name
• 479[04:00:57] <jml2> ecrofgnod, they're going down a dangerous path that can have legal implications
• 480[04:01:14] <ecrofgnod> as you want to have a definition of ubuntu
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• 482[04:01:29] <ecrofgnod> not anything anyone posts and says "this is the new ubuntu distro"
• 483[04:02:02] <jml2> ecrofgnod, debian makes their official release as more-pure to "GPL" and "free" as possible, unlike what canonical/ubuntu is doing... M.Shuttleworth is trying to make a business in some IP-intellectual spin somewhere.. though nobody really knows what his plans are..
• 484[04:02:18] <jml2> ecrofgnod, not even his own employees know exactly where Canonical is going..
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• 486[04:02:49] <jml2> ecrofgnod, there's some "closeness" to the way ubuntu/canonical runs.. (you just have to read their employee blogs saying how to move away from Windows 10 -> Ubuntu) --- now there's UBuntu on Windows 10.
• 487[04:03:07] <ecrofgnod> but which is more widely supported by third party sofware?
• 488[04:03:19] <themill> these sorts of questions don't really belong in #debian btw; irc doesn't handle them well, we don't really want to talk about other distros as the only way of making such comparisons is to criticise our colleagues and this channel is really for user support for Debian users.
• 489[04:03:39] <jml2> acrocity, hard to say.. that i don't know.. they both have a lot available (non-free is for debian, restricted/multerverse/etc is for ubuntu repos)
• 490[04:03:39] <ecrofgnod> themill okay sorry
• 491[04:03:58] <ecrofgnod> I guess ##linux would be a better neutral forum between distros
• 492[04:04:12] <ecrofgnod> and also, themill, please read my nick backwards
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• 496[04:04:42] <themill> ecrofgnod: you are assuming that didn't get flagged ages ago
• 497[04:04:53] <jml2> ecrofgnod, you can try anything you like and make the comparisons.. you'll see that debian offers great flexibility and doesn't lock you down with spyware.. like Canonical/Ubuntu did with their default Amazon/dock search box
• 498[04:04:54] <ecrofgnod> "flagged" as in what?
• 499[04:05:04] <jml2> ecrofgnod, this is why I would rather advocate for debian...
• 500[04:05:19] <jml2> :)))
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• 502[04:06:16] <jml2> zykotick9, true
• 503[04:06:28] <jml2> zykotick9, debian==freedom absolutely :)))
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• 509[04:11:24] <zykotick9> jml2: well, optional freedom. /me wishes debian could jetison contrib/non-free to a 3rd party repo (a la deb-mulitimedia)
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• 513[04:13:03] <bdog7> I like contrib/non-free for firmware support
• 514[04:13:28] <zykotick9> bdog7: trust me... that's the popular opinion ;)
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• 535[04:28:27] <anzu103_> nadie?
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• 549[04:34:11] <PryMar56> aqui somos todos malditos
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• 563[04:46:10] <awal1> The whole content of 'lightdm' , /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf, is commented. So which file lightdm uses?
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• 565[04:47:18] <awal1> I'm trying to understand how to enable 'guest session' and I wonder if I just have to uncomment the line "# guest-account-script = Script to be run to setup guest account" in that config file?
• 566[04:47:36] <awal1> no clue :P
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• 568[04:48:02] <jml2> awal1, auto-login?
• 569[04:48:25] <jml2> awal1, if a lightdm .conf is documented but not created in /etc/*.. then it is possible to use a newly created file
• 570[04:48:34] <chicken> I'm writing an article comparing debian with other distros anyone wants to read it? : )
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• 572[04:48:46] <jml2> awal1, i've done this but it was a while ago
• 573[04:49:19] <jml2> awal1, but anything else similar to this where a conf seems missing, you create one from scratch... restart the x11/lightdm server and the new config should be picked up
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• 575[04:49:57] <awal1> jml2, auto login no. its an option called 'guest' listed in users. I have seen that in ubuntu/ubuntu based somewhere in the web
• 576[04:50:33] <awal1> login as guest , no changes can be made for in that session for anything
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• 578[04:52:01] <awal1> of course guest session doesnt need passwd
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• 580[04:53:04] <awal1> commented here replaced-url
• 581[04:53:23] <awal1> "disabling guest session" section
• 582[04:53:44] <awal1> disabling guest login ^
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• 584[04:55:54] <jmcnaught> awal1: what user will the guest session run as?
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• 588[04:57:14] <karlpinc> awal1: gdm3 has something that allows a login without password. After a timeout it just logs in some specified user or another. Although last I looked was some years ago.
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• 592[04:59:33] <awal1> jmcnaught, karlpinc, I have no idea about all that. What I really want is , have an user/session where nothing can be changed. In that session the user that have loged in can not modify/add/create stuff in that machine. Some one told me it can be done via guest session/user. I dont really know
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• 597[05:01:13] <awal1> When I go to cyber-café, windows machines poepl log in as guests and all the modifications made for programs such as firefox, chrome and so are deleted when login out
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• 600[05:01:52] <awal1> configs are restored to default on each login
• 601[05:03:01] <awal1> so thinking on how I can do that in 1 of my machines that I share with some people sometimes
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• 603[05:05:12] <bdog7> delete the user home configs on logout?
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• 605[05:06:33] <tjcarter> I have a URL that might explain how to do it aimed at Ubuntu, but the instructions should work for you, I'm checking it
• 606[05:06:36] <jml2> awal1, you'll have to read the docs, you likely(not sure) need to create some guest account for it
• 607[05:06:44] <awal1> then I have to configure all the apps every time I login :xD, bdog7
• 608[05:07:01] <jml2> awal1, ther'es "kiosk" packages if this is what you mean
• 609[05:07:19] <jml2> awal1, kiosk are mant to be public-service machines but not keep resilience on the session data
• 610[05:07:35] <tjcarter> awal1: There's a dir, /etc/skel
• 611[05:07:57] <tjcarter> awal1: That's the default newly created user's home directory template
• 612[05:08:05] <jmcnaught> the difference between ubuntu and debian for this is probably more than lightdm configuration
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• 614[05:08:31] <tjcarter> You'll basically want logout of the guest user to delete the home directory of the user and repopulate it with /etc/skel or some analogue
• 615[05:09:10] <awal1> guys, as jml2 said "not keep resilience on the session data"
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• 619[05:10:13] <jml2> awal1, if you search the package manager with keyword 'kiosk' you can find a package or two to help on this
• 620[05:10:26] <jml2> awal1, but i thinik the guest account is also supported somewhere with lightdm/gnome sessions
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• 622[05:11:42] <awal1> tjcarter, the first time I see skel dir i my /etc, I have no idea about it
• 623[05:11:44] <jml2> awal1, btw a dirty trick is if you're at a road-block is using ~/.bash_logout to wipe files out just before the user exits entirely the session
• 624[05:12:12] <jml2> awal1, that's only used as a template for
• 625[05:12:17] <jml2> awal1, "~"
• 626[05:12:41] <tjcarter> you might want to use a system-wide alternative to .bash_logout
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• 628[05:13:05] <jmcnaught> also i don't think ~/.bash_logout would be involved for a DM initiated X session
• 629[05:13:25] <jml2> strange here on jessie i don't see the kiosk package (1 or 2) that i used to see on prior debian editions, maybe they were renamed or taken out
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• 631[05:14:14] <awal1> nothing named kiosk or similar find by aptitude /apt here
• 632[05:14:15] <tjcarter> You can use /etc/bash.bash.logout based on the user ID
• 633[05:14:21] <jmcnaught> maybe there's a way to make a systemd user unit for just one user and put it in /etc/systemd/user, with an ExecStop= that runs a script removing stuff. I'm not exactly sure how to make it only work on one user though, it would require some experimenting
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• 635[05:15:05] <tjcarter> that might be better still
• 636[05:16:05] <jmcnaught> during the experiment phase you could have the script create a harmless file, to make sure you don't suddenly delete your actual user's settings on logout
• 637[05:16:06] <jml2> awal1, you can set the "write" of ~/.bash_logout to "root" .. this way a user cannot try to (unlikely though) to alter this file..
• 638[05:16:32] <awal1> hmmm, sounds all complicated for a novice I'm xD
• 639[05:16:34] <jml2> awal1, and have this exit script remove all files in except the two or three default bash logins.. and any .dmrc file
• 640[05:16:39] <karlpinc> jml2: Check the bug tracking system.
• 641[05:16:39] <jml2> awal1, ? no
• 642[05:16:44] <jml2> awal1, it's easy..
• 643[05:17:07] <jml2> awal1, you just add a user "foobar", chmod /home/foobar/.bash_logout .. then add rm statements to it..
• 644[05:17:13] <jml2> awal1, chown i mean
• 645[05:17:25] <jml2> awal1, and disable any "write" access for other
• 646[05:17:55] <jml2> awal1, if you have "selectable" destkops.. I suppose ".dmrc" stores the last chosen Desktop preference... you can try to lock this file too
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• 648[05:18:21] <awal1> jml2, more clear now xD
• 649[05:18:27] <jml2> awal1, so it's like 3 files -> ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile , ~/.bash_logout and maybe something else ... but it would be trivial
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• 653[05:20:05] <jml2> the default is ~/.profile in debian..
• 654[05:20:32] <jml2> awal1, you can even create "defaults" of things in ~/.profile if you so ever wish to.. and have this file write-only by the superuser as well
• 655[05:20:41] <awal1> that what I see in my homes yeah, .profile
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• 658[05:20:45] <jml2> awal1, ... and then there's ~/.xsessionrc
• 659[05:23:17] <awal1> jml2, I think I have enough info now from where I must start and do things. thanks. I think it's a better way what you were explaining then have a gest session as in ubuntu / ubuntu based
• 660[05:23:55] <awal1> because it seems that the guest in those distros still have access to many stuff in home as normal user
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• 662[05:24:30] <awal1> it a can modify iceweasel configs , for example, it seems
• 663[05:26:47] <awal1> jml2, thanks for all the info :)
• 664[05:27:11] <awal1> tjcarter, jmcnaught, jml2, +1
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• 669[05:29:15] <alexxey> Hello! My OS is debian testing.
• 670[05:29:17] <alexxey> When I start Calibre I got "This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt platform plugin 'xcb'."
• 671[05:29:19] <alexxey> SMPlayer also has this problem.
• 672[05:29:21] <alexxey> Any hint what is going wrong? Thanks!
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• 675[05:30:08] <awal1> alexxey, testing support is almost in #debian-next
• 676[05:30:32] <alexxey> awal1, join #debian-testing redirects me here
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• 678[05:30:56] <awal1> #debian-next not testing
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• 681[05:31:41] <alexxey> Sorry I made a typo
• 682[05:31:52] <alexxey> That channel is invite only?
• 683[05:32:02] <awal1> no
• 684[05:32:04] <alexxey> Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)
• 685[05:32:14] <dvs> on oftc
• 686[05:32:23] <awal1> its in OFCT server no freenode
• 687[05:32:29] <alexxey> Sorry I forgot that
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• 689[05:32:38] <alexxey> Sorry for the bother
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• 737[06:14:01] <jim> hi... is pulseaudio something to be started and stopped? if so how?
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• 739[06:14:38] <jim> running deb ian jessie (upgraded it yesterday)
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• 748[06:18:39] <awal1> jim, one way is using pactl
• 749[06:19:27] <awal1> pactl exit
• 750[06:19:47] <awal1> or pulseaudio --kill pulseaudio --start
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• 752[06:21:04] <awal1> pactl (pulseaudio control)
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• 766[06:30:01] <jmcnaught> jim: checkout /etc/xdg/autostart/pulse*.desktop
• 767[06:30:38] <jim> jmcnaught, thanks...
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• 771[06:32:17] <jim> to any and all: if I alter the configuration files found in /etc/pulse/, would a subsequent upgrade of pulseaudio wipe my changes, and if so, how should I do it?
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• 774[06:33:56] <jmcnaught> jim: those should be conffiles, so if a future package update has a newer version of those files you'll be prompted if you want to keep your, get the new one, or see the diff between the two
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• 776[06:35:46] <jmcnaught> jim: "dpkg --status <package>" can list conffiles for a package (and a lot more).
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• 787[06:46:24] <jim> jmcnaught, thanks... how can I search for the package a particular conffile is for?
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• 794[06:49:49] <jmcnaught> jim: "dpkg -S filename" should do it if the package is installed
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• 796[06:50:46] <jmcnaught> jim: i think i misunderstood your original pulseaudio question. yes you can restart it. it runs per user, so you can kill it and restart it "pulseaudio --start" as the user
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• 801[06:52:14] <jim> ok...
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• 808[06:54:22] <jim> not sure about this part, I have the 4 conffiles in /etc/pulse/, one belongs to libpulse0, the other three to pulseaudio... and as they're owned by root, the user can't change them (not a problem since I can become root easily enough)
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• 810[06:55:16] <jim> but, those are conffiles, so I get those options when I upgrade those packages..
• 811[06:55:36] <jmcnaught> jim: there's also ~/.config/pulse for per-user settings
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• 813[06:56:05] <jim> ok, do I copy those four files to that dir?
• 814[06:56:42] <jmcnaught> i guess it depends on what you're trying to do
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• 816[06:57:53] <jim> ok, fair enough... what I'm trying to do is start jack with the alsa driver, and I think since pa is running, that makes alsa busy?
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• 818[06:59:36] <jmcnaught> there's a pasuspender that might help with that, but i'm not familiar with it. alsa also has the ability to let multiple programs share a soundcard, but suspending pulseaudio might be better while you're using jack
• 819[07:02:55] <jim> trying to make them cooperative for the moment
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• 824[07:04:29] <jmcnaught> you might be able to get them to share the soundcard with the ALSA dmix(?) feature, but you might not get the same latency you would if jackd doesn't have to share
• 825[07:05:11] <jmcnaught> jim: replaced-url
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• 829[07:08:07] <shibly> Is there anything like ubuntu to install multimedia packages with one command? sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
• 830[07:08:58] <jim> you'd have to research that question I would think
• 831[07:09:27] <jim> if you're talking ubuntu, maybe packages.ubuntu.com
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• 833[07:09:35] <BinBasher> as of lately I've been experiencing a wifi / iceweasel issue, sometimes iceweasel just disconnects but I have ping replies, no pages will load there until I resart my wifi. Does anyone know a fix?
• 834[07:09:39] <jim> if debian, packages.debian.org
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• 836[07:10:41] <TomTomTosch> shibly: i wouldn't trust anything to touch my sources. it makes sense to edit the sources.list by hand to have fine grained control.
• 837[07:11:06] <jim> as far as I know, your net is either up or down for -all- executables, you don't have any control over which package can or can't get net
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• 839[07:11:24] <shibly> Is there any command to install multimedia package on debian?
• 840[07:11:32] <shibly> apt-get install ??
• 841[07:11:47] <jim> time to research that question.
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• 843[07:14:08] <shibly> Which package do you install to run .mp4, .rm, .mp3 files?
• 844[07:14:22] <jim> vlc works
• 845[07:14:37] <shibly> .avi
• 846[07:14:40] <jim> I dunno about rm
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• 848[07:15:12] <jmcnaught> shibly: other video players like totem will depend on gsteamer-1.0-plugins-* packages that provide support for various file types
• 849[07:15:58] <bdog7> you might want gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
• 850[07:16:34] <jmcnaught> shibly: stuff like flash needs to be installed with their own packages (flashplugin-nonfree for example). for me a lot of this was installed automatically as part of the task-gnome-desktop package
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• 852[07:17:51] <shibly> jmcnaught, Flashplugin-nonfree is to play .flv on browser.
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• 854[07:18:47] <markybob> shibly: he knows. you asked for multimedia.
• 855[07:19:37] <jmcnaught> shibly: yes i know what it's for. from what i understand that ubuntu-restricted-extras package pulls in flash, codecs, microsoft fonts etc. there isn't an equivalent in Debian that I'm aware of. Most things are pulled in by dependencies of applications that need them, others like flash you need to install the package on its own
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• 861[07:20:59] <TomTomTosch> shibly: the codecs for the things you asked above come with whatever player you choose. vlc or clementine or one of the other 500.
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• 867[07:23:01] <shibly> I think, vlc, gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly , ffmpeg runs almost all files
• 868[07:23:14] <shibly> run
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• 870[07:24:16] <shibly> smplayer is also good
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• 874[07:24:52] <markybob> eh. i'd use mpv over smplayer
• 875[07:25:24] <markybob> but yes vlc is good
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• 878[07:27:37] <grantwu> How do I accurately determine the size of a file, even in the presence of filesystem compresssion?
• 879[07:27:47] <grantwu> (In a way that doesn't involve parsing ls.)
• 880[07:27:47] <jim> is there a guide to starting and stopping pulseaudio? I'm trying to get pa and jack to cooperate
• 881[07:28:23] <jim> I have a ubuntu guide laying around somewhere... not trusting it too much.
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• 884[07:30:22] <themill> grantwu: stat
• 885[07:30:44] <Alam_Squeeze> jim: I thought you can route pulseaudio into JACK or use pasuspender to tell pulseaudio hand off the sound cards
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• 887[07:32:09] <jim> right now, I'm trying to start jack, it's failing, I can't empty its messages so I can't tell where one attempt stops and another begins
• 888[07:32:47] <jim> I don;t know why it;s failing, the messages contain info from a lot of attempts
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• 891[07:35:58] <jim> if you want, I can pastebin the whole thing...
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• 904[07:44:50] <jim> you may notice I'm not committing a whole lot of effort, and you'd be right... I just don't know what to do next
• 905[07:45:01] <grantwu> themill: Thanks
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• 908[07:46:29] <jim> tell me something to read; I'll read it... or, somethign to look at... want my kernel version? my hardware? not a problem...
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• 917[07:56:20] <Abbott> is there something I can do to completely wipe my machine remotely? Like revert to a clean image of debian?
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• 921[07:57:14] <jmcnaught> Abbott: backup files you want to keep and reinstall
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• 923[07:57:36] <jim> sure, I guess... of course, doing so would be an extreme action, especially by remote
• 924[07:57:40] <Abbott> jmcnaught: how would i reinstall remotely?
• 925[07:57:50] <Abbott> or are you saying I can't
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• 927[07:58:02] <jim> how did you install in the first place?
• 928[07:58:36] <jim> I'm just saying, since it's an extreme action, you should be careful
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• 932[08:00:37] <jim> what if you contacted your provider, had him give you a new vm, set it up the way you want, then have your provider swap it (and keep the storage for the old one so you can mount it and copy whatever across, or download it or whatever
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• 938[08:02:24] <jim> once you're done with the old storage, tell the provider that, and you'd have a brand new system, and have the old one backed up
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• 943[08:03:33] <jim> remotely just nuking it is risky...
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• 959[08:15:13] <MisterGadfly> I'm slightly confused. Does the unstable repo have these security updates thingy?
• 960[08:15:58] <themill> !sid security
• 961[08:15:59] <dpkg> There is no security support for unstable (sid) at all. Uploads of new packages that fix security vulnerabilities are handled in the same way as any other new version -- this means it's up to the maintainer to do a new upload and you (perhaps) to reconfigure services to cope with the new version. This is one of the reasons unstable is not suitable for day-to-day use in many situations. Also ask me about <moving target>.
• 962[08:16:25] <themill> (and if you didn't know that already, ask yourself whether you know enough about Debian to go anywhere near sid)
• 963[08:16:51] <MisterGadfly> themill: thanks
• 964[08:17:26] <jim> how would anyone know themselves whether they know enough?
• 965[08:18:10] <jim> "ohhhh, THATS what sharp means!"
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• 1286[09:57:27] <maxy> hm, lists.debian.org and wiki.debian.org are down
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• 1291[09:57:57] <Guest5540> ;/
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• 1293[09:58:01] <Guest5540> is problem...
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• 1298[09:58:22] <themill> maxy: yes, scheduled downtime
• 1299[09:58:33] <maxy> ah
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• 1307[09:59:14] <maxy> Where am I supposed to disable exim4 tls? It's not a public mail server, just local delivery. I grep'ed and found "ifdef MAIN_TLS_ENABLE" but where to set it?
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• 1314[10:00:16] <maxy> there doesn't seem to be anything defining MAIN_TLS_ENABLE in /etc/exim4
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• 1436[10:11:53] <iLembus> ext4 doesnt save the data in blocks like NTFS but sort of leaves gaps and "spreads the data"
• 1437[10:11:53] <iLembus> This is great when the file grows because then the data can just be added in the gaps and there's no defragmentation.
• 1438[10:11:53] <iLembus> This has the cost that the harddrive stops being efficent at around 80% of space used because every file takes up a little more room
• 1439[10:11:53] <iLembus> Can I disable this ext4 spreading for specific file-types or specific folders/files such as movie files which probably won't grow? Is this possible?
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• 1770[10:13:16] <iLembus> i have a question about ext4
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• 1775[10:13:18] <iLembus> ext4 doesnt save the data in blocks like NTFS but sort of leaves gaps and "spreads the data"
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• 1778[10:13:18] <iLembus> This is great when the file grows because then the data can just be added in the gaps and there's no defragmentation.
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• 1781[10:13:19] <iLembus> This has the cost that the harddrive stops being efficent at around 80% of space used because every file takes up a little more room
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• 1783[10:13:19] <dutchfish_> !pastebin
• 1784[10:13:19] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 1795[10:13:21] <iLembus> Can I disable this ext4 spreading for specific file-types or specific folders/files such as movie files which probably won't grow? Is this possible?
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• 2022[10:39:13] <blubee> hi guys why is redshift failing to use geoclue because of a .service file?
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• 2082[10:57:10] <Straa> HI all, after upgradeing to debian jessie I am getting drdy errors while booting, it seems like the new loader (systemd) causes my system not to boot, worked perfectly in the prior version. I am however unable to get into the system at all. Any tips on how to proceed?
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• 2084[10:57:32] <c05m1x> hi all
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• 2088[11:00:35] <c05m1x> running debian 8.4 & hit a problem w/ apt-get upgrade - udev package issue
• 2089[11:00:53] <c05m1x> googled but found no relevant info that would help
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• 2092[11:01:05] <c05m1x> anyone here that could enlighten me in this regard?
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• 2095[11:03:03] <teraflops> Straa: The loader is grub unless you're using gummiboot that is not default in the installation process from the isos.
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• 2099[11:04:24] <Straa> teraflops: I think i might have .. ehr worded myself wrong there, I am indeed using grub as a loader,however the new default init system has changed and I am trying to figure out if that is the reason why the system is not able to boot.
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• 2105[11:05:23] <Straa> I think it might be something to do with my sata controller (amd 5100) and the new system init, however this is just a theory. I've tried to disable acpi,iommu.
• 2106[11:05:31] <teraflops> Straa: can you be more specific? You got dropped to an emergency shell?
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• 2114[11:05:50] <Straa> teraflops: correct,
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• 2116[11:06:47] <teraflops> Straa: most.of the time is because there is an wrong entry in /etc/fstab. Hard to say if it's your situation though
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• 2127[11:09:27] <Straa> teraflops: Normally I would say so aswell, but it seems like it is the initialization of the drive that is causing the issues. I'm getting soft-resets and the whole boot process before it tries to mount takes like 10 minutes. The DRDY errors and soft resets keep going for both drives
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• 2130[11:11:26] <teraflops> Maybe kernel related? Upgrading means new kernel. Do you have a HW raid card or something special?
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• 2133[11:12:17] <Straa> no, I tried legacy and native ide modes on the amd 5100 controller, both gave the same errors.
• 2134[11:12:20] <Straa> *error
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• 2139[11:13:52] <teraflops> Tried booting with a jessie ISO. It has the same kernel you have there I suppose. If it fails the same ... Well
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• 2141[11:14:57] <teraflops> Straa: but you re-checed yous fstab, right?
• 2142[11:15:02] <Straa> I've tried booting ubuntu and other os'es and that works great
• 2143[11:15:04] <teraflops> Your
• 2144[11:15:06] <Straa> teraflops: yes.
• 2145[11:15:19] <teraflops> Hmm. No idea then
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• 2147[11:15:35] <Straa> Neither do I, I am on the brink of giving up
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• 2153[11:17:26] <teraflops> Straa: so you can boot right. Tried looking at the logs? Enable persistent journal and check journalctl -b1
• 2154[11:17:31] <Straa> the drdy error are not fstab related, I want to use the old system initializer (sysvinit) however I need to get intodebian first
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• 2169[11:17:37] <Straa> no
• 2170[11:17:39] <Straa> I get to an emergency shell
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• 2172[11:17:46] <teraflops> Dmesg, systemctl --failed and so on
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• 2181[11:17:53] <teraflops> Ah
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• 2186[11:17:59] <teraflops> Split :P
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• 2207[11:21:41] <teraflops> Straa: I cannot see how systemd is related since has nothing to do with an ide controller. Anyway good luck
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• 2213[11:23:23] <Straa> teraflops: I don't either, I am just grasping at straws.
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• 2216[11:23:35] <teraflops> Heh ikr
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• 2239[11:34:34] <c05m1x> udev upgrade problem anyone? :-)
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• 2241[11:35:41] <r0ck_> is there a newer gnome version in backports?
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• 2243[11:35:45] <r0ck_> jessie?
• 2244[11:35:56] <tulphoon> r0ck_, you can always check on packages.debian.org :)
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• 2250[11:36:37] <jmd> tulphoon: Trying to find what you want there is the proverbial needle in the haystack.
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• 2253[11:37:28] <tulphoon> jmd, really? I just go stable version, then jessie-backports and GNOME, because apparently it has it's own section
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• 2257[11:38:07] <jmd> Then you got lucky :)
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• 2259[11:38:38] <tulphoon> either way is just to use a search engine, and put in phrase like "jessie-backports "
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• 2261[11:38:50] <tulphoon> oh no, i've clicked enter by mistake
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• 2264[11:39:37] <tulphoon> either way is just to use a search engine, and put in phrase like "packages debian <PACKAGE NAME>"
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• 2268[11:40:05] <tulphoon> literally first record that popped out was gnome package.
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• 2270[11:40:32] <tulphoon> r0ck_, and answering your question, in case you still didn't find out, there is no GNOME in backports repo
• 2271[11:41:01] <jmd> I notice that in all your sentences you used the word "just". It is a well-known phenonemum that whenever a modal particle is used by those offering advice, it means that the task is trivial when one has a certain level of expertise, but exceedingly elusive to those without.
• 2272[11:41:34] <r0ck_> tulphoon: thanks, I have found it, but it is also 3.14 :)
• 2273[11:42:05] <tulphoon> jmd, firstly i need to point out, that English is not my native language, and because of that my grammar isn't the best.
• 2274[11:42:23] <babilen> Package: gnome-shell on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7+deb7u2; jessie: 3.14.4-1~deb8u1; stretch: 3.18.1-1; sid: 3.18.4-2; experimental: 3.20.0-1
• 2275[11:42:54] <babilen> replaced-url
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• 2284[11:45:14] <babilen> r0ck_: If you *really* want a new version of Gnome and if that is of utmost importance to you I'd recommend to use a distribution that ships that version in one of its stable releases. You could track Debian testing (mixed with unstable) or even unstable, but my impression is that this is not something you would be happy with. Please read replaced-url
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• 2308[11:48:55] <r0ck_> babilen: I think I will stay with stable version, but 3.20 would be good to see in 6 months
• 2309[11:49:06] <r0ck_> I am not sure if its possible?
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• 2314[11:50:33] <teraflops> There's a gtk3 mayor rewrite that will be fun for all the family
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• 2316[11:50:42] <teraflops> In upstream I mean
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• 2324[11:52:39] <MeanEYE> Why in 2016 Evolution still sucks with Hebrew input?
• 2325[11:52:44] <MeanEYE> Or any RTL for that matter.
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• 2642[13:33:26] <vapawi> is there any disadvantages to installing all the desktops and software (other than increased OS file of course)
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• 2681[13:54:27] <Krusty> Hi, Someone know a simple way to install PHP 5.2 on Debian 8 ?
• 2682[13:54:57] <Krusty> Or some Turnkey ISO with php 5.2 ?
• 2683[13:55:31] <markybob> Krusty: you want to be hacked in five minutes?
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• 2685[13:56:26] <Krusty> i need it only for a test, i buyed an Auction Script and this shit only understand php 5.2 :(
• 2686[13:56:47] <markybob> that sucks for you. no easy way to make that happen in debian
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• 2688[13:57:45] <Krusty> ok, do you know some cheap or maybe opensource auction script or marketplace ?
• 2689[13:58:10] <markybob> i don't
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• 2708[14:08:40] <trebor_home> hello. i installed debian8 on the laptop (acer e15) of my daughter (&updated it) - but if she tries to use youtube, x11 crashes. i started iceweasel via command line, i get errors about libva (va-api 0.36.0) failing with unknown error, fatal io error 11 (resouce is busy) on x-server.
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• 2714[14:11:55] <trebor_home> what do i have to search for, to fix this (she uses the html5 player)
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• 2721[14:15:23] <markybob> trebor_home: i don't use youtube so i'm not sure but what i'd try is installing ffmpeg from jessie-backports
• 2722[14:16:02] <markybob> !tell trebor_home about jessie-backports
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• 2724[14:16:22] <trebor_home> markybob: thank you for this hint
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• 2746[14:24:49] <SanchoPensa> can anybody pls help kcik the phuckin feds out? i think, i been root kitted
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• 2751[14:25:52] <SanchoPensa> one indicator would be, my system currently uses up some 2.6 gig of memory, although term is the only application running, and ps aux has nothing above 0.5% mem usage.
• 2752[14:25:53] <SanchoPensa> yet still 2.6 gig occupied. any suggestions, please?
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• 2754[14:26:47] <dvs> Which indicator?
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• 2756[14:27:16] <SanchoPensa> ah, and yes, my cumputer completely freezes like every half minute, like if somebody was taking a screenshot or somehting, especially when watching movies, really unnerving...
• 2757[14:27:58] <SanchoPensa> dvs: as i wrote: i have one application open. terminal. still top says my system is currently occupieing 2.6 gig RAM
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• 2761[14:29:00] <dvs> SanchoPensa, what does "free -m" says on the cache/buffer -/+ line?
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• 2765[14:30:12] <devster31> so I have this right now: replaced-url
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• 2768[14:30:56] <SanchoPensa> dvs: here is, what it returns:
• 2769[14:30:56] <SanchoPensa> replaced-url
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• 2772[14:32:25] <SanchoPensa> this is my processlist, as you can see, i got really nothing but the system running:
• 2773[14:32:25] <SanchoPensa> replaced-url
• 2774[14:32:41] <dvs> SanchoPensa, so it's actually using 948MB of RAM.
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• 2776[14:34:38] <SanchoPensa> dvs: that is odd, as top says it is using somewhat over 2.8 gig:
• 2777[14:34:38] <SanchoPensa> replaced-url
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• 2779[14:35:09] <SanchoPensa> dvs: and i am experiencing permanent memory shortages, as soon as i have some 7-8 tabs open in what ever browser
• 2780[14:35:14] <dvs> SanchoPensa, top includes used buffers and cache
• 2781[14:35:38] <SanchoPensa> dvs: cache?!?
• 2782[14:35:59] <SanchoPensa> like in ~/:.cache?
• 2783[14:36:01] <dvs> SanchoPensa, file caching. Contents of files that are held in memory
• 2784[14:36:26] <SanchoPensa> dvs: err... i see., that would be around one and a half gigabyte currently then.
• 2785[14:36:39] <SanchoPensa> what contents of what files is it keeping in memory?
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• 2787[14:37:14] <SanchoPensa> dvs: to set one thing straight, i do know that i have somebody inside, i also already once found a folder with some 3500 screenshots of my desktop inside.
• 2788[14:37:17] <dvs> SanchoPensa, most likely recently accessed files
• 2789[14:37:32] <SanchoPensa> somewhere well hiddenw ithin the deths of the filesystem, i found them with du
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• 2792[14:38:05] <SanchoPensa> dvs: except for a few libre office files, that i have properly closed, and excvept for some tabs in a browser not, nope.
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• 2794[14:38:37] <markybob> SanchoPensa: closing things don't take them away from ram cache. that's not how it works
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• 2796[14:38:53] <markybob> SanchoPensa: it stays there in case you use them again. if something else needs it, it releases it
• 2797[14:39:04] <SanchoPensa> so how do i flush the cache, markybob
• 2798[14:39:05] <SanchoPensa> ?
• 2799[14:39:26] <markybob> SanchoPensa: you leave it alone. that's how a proper OS should work. it doesn't slow you down. the opposite
• 2800[14:39:29] <dvs> SanchoPensa, the cache flushes automatically when more memory is needed.
• 2801[14:39:51] <SanchoPensa> as said, guys, i am first of all experiencing permanent shortage of RAM, and thqat is with 4 GB of ram and nothing open but a browser with 7-8 tabs or so.
• 2802[14:40:11] <SanchoPensa> guys, i know what a round robin is and all.
• 2803[14:40:27] <SanchoPensa> what i dont know is how to get rid of the root kit, that i have on my computer very most likely
• 2804[14:40:35] <dvs> SanchoPensa, and about 950MB is currently being used. Everything else can be recovered easily.
• 2805[14:40:39] <markybob> SanchoPensa: that's a lot of tabs and 4G isn't much. but you thinking the 'feds' are interested in your movie watching...well...damn
• 2806[14:40:58] * dvs keeps on eye open
• 2807[14:41:04] <dvs> s/on/one
• 2808[14:41:10] <SanchoPensa> markybob: nope, the feds are probably more interested in my grassroots political activities
• 2809[14:41:29] <TomTomTosch> but a ticked to tijuana before they bust you?
• 2810[14:41:34] <SanchoPensa> markybob: you serieoiusly think, 7-8 tabs is a lot?!?
• 2811[14:41:37] <markybob> SanchoPensa: if you think that's the case all you can do is reinstall. even if we think you're crazy.
• 2812[14:41:40] <MisterGadfly> Maybe we should actually report SanchoPensa to actual feds!
• 2813[14:41:57] <SanchoPensa> aha, i see.
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• 2816[14:42:10] <SanchoPensa> so you would deliver assange to the feds, right?
• 2817[14:42:27] <SanchoPensa> glad to see, what mindset has come into the debian community. ;)
• 2818[14:42:42] <SanchoPensa> i thought, we were once opposed to tyranny and faschism.
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• 2820[14:42:59] <markybob> i don't know what just happened
• 2821[14:43:04] <SanchoPensa> nowadays it seems, you have to let yourself be ridiculed, when you do so, cos you're "crazy".
• 2822[14:43:08] <SanchoPensa> i see.
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• 2824[14:44:04] <SanchoPensa> what just happened is me complaining about the fact, that i will not take it to be ridiculed for taking my concerns seriously, and furthermore i am of the opinion, that you should rather help me find out, whether i am infested, rather than making phunof me.
• 2825[14:44:07] <SanchoPensa> thats what happened.
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• 2827[14:44:38] <MisterGadfly> SanchoPensa: what kind of political activism do you do that would rile up the feds?
• 2828[14:46:12] <SanchoPensa> amongst others, i had a very sever clash with some guys in uniform on the avatar. so serious, that they sent me an NSA guy with an advanced degree in national security and psychology. and what i basically did, was completely dismantling this CIA agent in disguise, who was snooping around onine activist camps.
• 2829[14:46:41] <SanchoPensa> i took that fuckers apart over a period of 14 days, until THEY put me on a blocklist. that, is amongst others, what i do.
• 2830[14:46:50] <MisterGadfly> OOooookkk
• 2831[14:47:08] <SanchoPensa> and i write articles for online blogs, and nope, i am not gonna reveal my identity and post a few.
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• 2833[14:48:18] <SanchoPensa> so.
• 2834[14:48:24] <SanchoPensa> are you gonna take me serious?
• 2835[14:48:28] <markybob> no
• 2836[14:48:35] <TomTomTosch> !ops SanchoPensa being a risk to national security.
• 2837[14:48:35] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomtosch complains about: SanchoPensa being a risk to national security.
• 2838[14:48:43] <MisterGadfly> LOL
• 2839[14:48:59] <SanchoPensa> d'uuuh...
• 2840[14:49:26] <SanchoPensa> i am being a risk to my self with my big muth, that is all.
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• 2844[14:50:50] <MisterGadfly> SanchoPensa: if you're not trolling us, then maybe you should rethink your life and stop being so paranoid. You don't sound like big fish. Not even medium fish. Maybe guppi fish, and they're really small!
• 2845[14:51:02] <SanchoPensa> one thing s for certain though... if i weere to depend on you guys, i'd be dead.
• 2846[14:51:47] <SanchoPensa> look. you have not a single first phucking clue, of what my work consists of. you just don't. so any assessment of my work on part of your side, is pure speculation, and nothing more.
• 2847[14:51:53] <SanchoPensa> you just do not know.
• 2848[14:51:58] <SanchoPensa> and once again.
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• 2852[14:52:13] <p0g0> nice theatre
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• 2854[14:52:26] <SanchoPensa> if iw ere to depend on you guys... I'd be dead. you suckers go and be ashamed of yourselfes. HUGH.
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• 2857[14:55:46] <Rephlexie> reminds me of old school efnet, where someones "occupation" resembled an xfiles episode.
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• 2859[14:57:00] <SanchoPensa> nope. nothing mysterious involved. only a lot of politics.
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• 2867[15:03:26] <AndreV> anybody experienced in vsftpd on debian? does anonymous need declaring a particular username in userlist?
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• 2874[15:06:33] <H4ndy> is there a quick way to reload my .bashrc without relogging?
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• 2876[15:06:51] <dvs> H4ndy, . ~/.bashrc
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• 2878[15:07:20] <H4ndy> cheers, dvs
• 2879[15:07:39] * dvs cheers
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• 2889[15:12:47] <AndreV> yes. it does need declaration.
• 2890[15:12:49] <AndreV> thanks
• 2891[15:12:53] * AndreV cheers
• 2892[15:12:56] <AndreV> :P
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• 2906[15:17:43] <DJRWolf> I just bought an HP EliteDesk 705-G1 and I plan on ditched Windows for Debian, trouble is with my two desktops that I already have and my Raspberry Pi there is no more room for any extra devices without also having to buy a KVM switch and I only plan to use it for OwnCloud and a dedicated game server, any way I can setup remote desktop from my Windows gaming PC?
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• 2914[15:19:15] <AndreV> you definitely can
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• 2919[15:20:57] <AndreV> remote desktop client-server will fix it, I think
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• 2937[15:28:18] <transhuman> Hi! I have what most people would call a rudimentary systemd question replaced-url
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• 3008[15:55:59] <stoned> replaced-url
• 3009[15:56:46] <silverhom> u stoned?
• 3010[15:56:48] <silverhom> ;D
• 3011[15:56:52] <silverhom> jk...
• 3012[15:57:01] <stoned> libgl1-nvidia-glx_352.79-1~bpo8+1_amd64.deb is the package that seems to be not be unpacked or causes problem
• 3013[15:57:14] <silverhom> weird
• 3014[15:57:21] <stoned> I am on debian stable, fully updated, put in bpo soruces.list, followed the wiki
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• 3019[15:58:32] <stoned> I need to get this video card working Nvidia GTX 760. Yesterday I had a GTX 275 and I had the default nvidia-driver package in stable installed. When I put the new video card in, I removed everything nvidia related and purged the config
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• 3025[15:59:17] <stoned> Now I'm on Nouveau driver, but I would like to get the latest driver from backports because 760 is supported by it. It's not supported by 340 that's in stable, but only with 352 in backports etc.
• 3026[15:59:22] <stoned> What do you suggest?
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• 3031[15:59:46] <silverhom> well
• 3032[15:59:56] <silverhom> does it give any more specfic errors?
• 3033[16:00:00] <stoned> None
• 3034[16:00:03] <silverhom> ._.
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• 3036[16:00:13] <stoned> Just that it can't unpack the bpo debs for glx
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• 3038[16:00:25] <stoned> could backport packages be corrupt?
• 3039[16:00:33] <silverhom> no idea
• 3040[16:00:37] <stoned> I tried to dl a few diff tiems
• 3041[16:00:54] <silverhom> do you install the repo or just downloaded the package?
• 3042[16:01:01] <stoned> Going the manual nvidia route is not recommended so I'm trying to avodi that
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• 3044[16:01:24] <stoned> Also the steam repo gives errors, I tired the third party packages, and quickly changed my mind as I don't want to filthy up my system w/ that
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• 3047[16:01:34] <stoned> silverhom: check the log
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• 3049[16:01:55] <stoned> replaced-url
• 3050[16:02:36] <silverhom> well idk try apt-get -t install
• 3051[16:02:47] <silverhom> or is install alias for apt-get?
• 3052[16:02:59] <stoned> backports are pinned w/ a 102 priority
• 3053[16:03:22] <stoned> I figured I didn't need to specify -t but I did anyway. As you can see, all the packages were fetched from backports
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• 3056[16:04:06] <silverhom> hm im not sure
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• 3058[16:05:14] <stoned> You know, if I could get my 4 monitors across 2 gpu to work in nouveau, I don't really care about nvidia.
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• 3060[16:05:30] <stoned> I have tried everythinb, but noveau won't drive more than 2monitors on primary gpu
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• 3062[16:05:58] <stoned> I need Xinerama. So if I load it, randr dosn't load.
• 3063[16:06:17] <stoned> If I load randr, I can get 4 mon to come on, but performance in dragging windows or movign mouse is horrendous
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• 3065[16:06:26] <stoned> but then if randr is loaded, Xinerama also fails
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• 3067[16:06:47] * silverhom not expert on this :(
• 3068[16:06:50] <stoned> The only way I could get 6 monitors to work across 3 gpu (GTX 275, 8400GS x2) 2 ports each card
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• 3071[16:07:22] <stoned> was to load Xinerama with nvidia binary driver, specify 6 screens, bind each monitor to a screen and a gpu port, and stich them all together using Xinerama
• 3072[16:07:41] <stoned> Otherwise you can't move windows across monitors w/o xinerama, you can only move mouse. no clipboard either shared.
• 3073[16:08:33] <stoned> The only thing that works for me is nvidia driver. Now I have a new nvidia gpu and need new driver which is not in stable. Could use suggestions, since backports fail and nvidia binary driver installer is not recommended, and also the steam repo fails to intall packages as well (acording to debian wiki)
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• 3086[16:14:00] <silverhom> stoned, well the thing with manual nvidia driver is that it breaks if you update kernel
• 3087[16:14:15] <silverhom> and need reinstall
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• 3093[16:16:26] <stoned> Yeah, I don't need to update my kernel. At all. I see no need.
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• 3096[16:16:36] <stoned> I've been on 3.16 since I got jessie.
• 3097[16:16:47] <stoned> Would only need to reinstall if I update kernel?
• 3098[16:16:53] <silverhom> hm think so
• 3099[16:16:54] <stoned> in case there is a kernel update
• 3100[16:16:57] <stoned> ok, lets' try manual.
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• 3102[16:17:04] <stoned> I just got removed all the nvidia stuff from sytem
• 3103[16:17:07] <stoned> going to unpin backports
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• 3105[16:17:27] <silverhom> you cant have noueauv active when installing it either
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• 3109[16:17:38] <stoned> I kow
• 3110[16:17:42] <silverhom> c:
• 3111[16:17:51] <zz> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
• 3112[16:17:54] <silverhom> D;
• 3113[16:17:57] <stoned> I just want to build the driver module and load it, so I can reboot and blacklist novoo
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• 3116[16:18:14] <stoned> it's a whacky spelling, I'm just gonna refer to it as novoo from now on
• 3117[16:18:16] <stoned> So much easier.
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• 3120[16:18:27] <silverhom> stoned, well the nvidia installer fails if novo is active
• 3121[16:18:45] <stoned> It's fine.
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• 3128[16:22:10] <stoned> WARNING: The NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS GPU installed in this system is supported through the NVIDIA 340.xx
• 3129[16:22:11] <stoned> legacy Linux graphics drivers. Please visit replaced-url
• 3130[16:22:13] <stoned> information. The 361.42 NVIDIA Linux graphics driver will ignore this GPU.
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• 3133[16:22:27] <stoned> oh doh. Well bad paste. Anyway, I have multi gpu system, I need a legacy driver as well as a new one.
• 3134[16:22:38] <stoned> Oh, I've never done a multi gpu debian before. :(
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• 3136[16:23:11] <stoned> I have 2x 8400GS (requires legacy driver) and 1x GTX 760 (requires the new one)
• 3137[16:23:34] <stoned> Both gpu were driven by 340.xx driver in stable.
• 3138[16:23:46] <stoned> This new nvidia driver wants to ignore my 8400GS
• 3139[16:24:01] <stoned> How do I install multiple nvidia drivers in one system
• 3140[16:24:04] <stoned> Any ideas?
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• 3157[16:31:24] <stoned> Ahh boy, until I figure this out. I have to go on widnows. can't even use my monitors here. heh
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• 3161[16:32:40] <stoned> install composer, php, laravel on windows, setup virtualbox homestead vm, get netbeans, github, and start coding. run my apps in the vm. Edit code on the host. Putty to ssh in vagrant. More hassle than I need to. I wish this thing wasn't so weird to figure out, multiple gpu in debian stable, one legacy, one not even in stable. LOL
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• 3164[16:33:19] <transhuman> Hi! I have what most people would call a rudimentary systemd question replaced-url
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• 3169[16:37:12] <stoned> replaced-url
• 3170[16:37:51] <stoned> 760 has 4 outputs, 2x dvi which are in use as listed, hdmi/displayport (dp) are not used, so they're listed as disconnected
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• 3172[16:38:04] <stoned> There are 2 mon hooked up to an 8400GS in here, but they don't even show up
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• 3176[16:38:31] <stoned> Is noveau cable of doing more than 2monitors or more than 1 gpu?
• 3177[16:38:39] <stoned> and randr
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• 3186[16:43:06] <trewas> stoned: gtx 760 should be supported by 340.xx driver
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• 3188[16:44:17] <stoned> trewas: well, when I had GTX 275 in stable, 340 drove that and the 8400GS just fine. All mons worked. Now I put in the GTX 760, and rebooted, and X won't start. I looked on the wiki in supported devices and 352 is the one that supports 760gtx
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• 3190[16:45:04] <stoned> trewas: ah.
• 3191[16:45:13] <stoned> GeForce GTX 760 0x1185 0x106F D is listed in GeForce GTX 760 0x1185 0x106F D
• 3192[16:45:18] <stoned> er.. replaced-url
• 3193[16:45:30] <stoned> uhm... geez. stupid paste.
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• 3195[16:46:15] <stoned> replaced-url
• 3196[16:46:34] <stoned> I guess, I can go back to it
• 3197[16:47:56] <stoned> replaced-url
• 3198[16:48:26] <stoned> Same config, only switched out the gpu, mon cables also in the correct dvi ports, pci paths are identical, everything the same, but no X
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• 3201[16:49:29] <stoned> I assumed, that since the video card was many generations ahead of the 275, perhaps I needed a new driver.
• 3202[16:50:04] <stoned> Let me try again and see what happens
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• 3205[16:51:12] <stoned> installing nvidia-driver from stable and no problems. Going ok. 340.96 I think
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• 3209[16:52:29] <stoned> sudo cp ~/.xorg/xorg.conf.latest /etc/X11/xorg.conf <- copy the file back. now reboot. will consult xorg log. brb w/ report
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• 3228[16:59:05] <MurciLee> Hi, Does anyone have dist-upgraded on debian sid today?
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• 3230[16:59:44] <MurciLee> I dist-upgraded my debian sid and it won't startup x
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• 3232[17:00:44] <Amun_Ra> testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net)
• 3233[17:01:12] <MurciLee> the #debian-next says it's invite only
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• 3235[17:03:11] <Amun_Ra> on irc.oftc.net?
• 3236[17:03:31] <MurciLee> havn't tried that.
• 3237[17:03:44] <Amun_Ra> that's different irc network
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• 3256[17:11:55] <tjcarter> hi all, I have a udev rule that creates a symlink for the first device it finds matching several criteria. I'd like to write a rule that triggers on removal of the device that created the symlink, whatever it was. SYMLINK== is not valid at that point. What do I match on then?
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• 3259[17:12:05] <LaPingvino> hello :) I read online about this KDE program called Simon, but is it still somehow installable in Debian or is there a spiritual successor, and how should I go about that?
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• 3262[17:12:32] <stoned> xorg.conf replaced-url
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• 3272[17:15:53] <RoyK> stoned: replaced-url
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• 3277[17:16:56] <tjcarter> and I found it
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• 3480[17:37:41] <corine2> Hi, this is offtopic, but I cannot ask anywhere else - how do I make freenode resend the registration email? #freenode did not +v me there so I cannot ask there.
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• 3484[17:38:59] <halt> Hi guys, I'm building a docker images based on debian stable, but I need external ( unofficial ) repos, what's the least bad way to add them ? or in other way what's the debian way to add unofficial repo ?
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• 3491[17:39:53] <halt> corine2: it is very offtopic, there is a freenode channel where ops can help you, it's working kind of like a helpdesk as well, ask there
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• 3499[17:40:20] <corine2> halt: that channel is only for registered users - I am having issues with registration, hence I cannot ask there :(
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• 3563[17:56:14] <n-iCe> disc1 is gnome3? right?
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• 3574[18:00:32] <TomTomTosch> n-iCe: gnome-core is in amd64 DVD-1 or CD-2
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• 3577[18:01:06] <n-iCe> TomTomTosch: ok ok thanks, downloaded disc 1, what would be the difference between disc 1 and 2 then TomTomTosch
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• 3581[18:02:37] <TomTomTosch> n-iCe: the first disc cintains the installation and most important packages. disc 2 and following contain further packages ordered by importance.
• 3582[18:02:56] <n-iCe> TomTomTosch: thanks.
• 3583[18:03:01] <n-iCe> TomTomTosch: you use gnome
• 3584[18:03:25] <TomTomTosch> n-iCe: no, but gnome is very popular.
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• 3592[18:04:50] <n-iCe> ok
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• 3595[18:06:30] <TomTomTosch> n-iCe: if your computer has a working internet connection, the netinst is all you need.
• 3596[18:06:56] <TomTomTosch> n-iCe: it will install Gnome and whatever you select during the installation.
• 3597[18:07:06] <n-iCe> TomTomTosch: tried it, did the cp .iso to sdb, and when the installation came to cd detection, says cd was not working
• 3598[18:07:10] <n-iCe> that's why I downloaded the whole iso
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• 3600[18:08:01] <TomTomTosch> D:
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• 3621[18:14:48] <east`> hello
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• 3624[18:15:33] <east`> anyone using his debian with vmware workstation/fusion ?
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• 3630[18:17:08] <east`> i cant activate the unity mode even tho i tested open vmware tools and off vmware tools
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• 3784[18:52:02] <debiannew> Hi
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• 3786[18:52:20] <debiannew> How can i set my WiFi pass in low case using iwconfig
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• 3791[18:53:35] <debiannew> ??
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• 3817[18:57:09] <mtn_> debiannew: I don't think you can. that is not the correct tool to use
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• 3821[18:57:24] <debiannew> O.o
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• 3824[18:57:48] <mtn_> debiannew: man iwconfig to see how to use the command
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• 3833[18:59:04] <jmcnaught> debiannew: replaced-url
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• 3848[18:59:57] <debiannew> So
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• 3851[19:00:03] <debiannew> Is ir posible ir not
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• 3855[19:00:13] <debiannew> Im stuck in the instllatiin
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• 3857[19:00:25] <debiannew> Can u guys give me a hand
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• 3859[19:00:44] <jmcnaught> debiannew: describe the problem you're having
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• 3951[19:01:04] <debiannew> Just did
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• 3956[19:01:25] <debiannew> How to set iwconfig key in lowercase
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• 3960[19:02:18] <jmcnaught> debiannew: the installer will prompt you for a WPA passphrase in its menus, maybe you could provide more details, less carriage returns?
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• 3963[19:02:30] <debiannew> What?
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• 3965[19:02:37] <debiannew> I hace Just terminal
• 3966[19:02:42] <debiannew> No desktop
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• 3969[19:03:31] <debiannew> Thats why i ask That
• 3970[19:03:31] <debiannew> Is it posible or not
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• 3974[19:04:03] <exedore6> I misse dthe beginning of your problem debiannew - what kind of wireless network are you connecting to, WPA or WPA-PSK?
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• 3976[19:04:31] <debiannew> Dont know if it matters
• 3977[19:04:33] <jmcnaught> debiannew: you can connect to wifi using the command line, i provided you with a link showing how to do it. if you're in the debian installer, it will ask for your passphrase and connect on its own.
• 3978[19:04:36] <debiannew> Wpapsk
• 3979[19:04:42] <teraflops> Iwconfig does not do WPA. Just keep. So use wpasupplicant
• 3980[19:04:43] <debiannew> So i cant
• 3981[19:04:45] <debiannew> Thanks
• 3982[19:04:54] <teraflops> Wep*
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• 3984[19:05:09] <debiannew> Installation failed
• 3985[19:05:25] <debiannew> In order to configurate software
• 3986[19:05:26] <teraflops> debiannew: yes you can. use wpasupplicant
• 3987[19:05:33] <debiannew> Maybe iso is wrong
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• 3990[19:06:01] <jmcnaught> debiannew: were you prompted by the installer about missing firmwares?
• 3991[19:06:14] <debiannew> No
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• 3999[19:07:13] <jmcnaught> debiannew: did the installer ask you to select an SSID and enter the PSK? how did you end up on the command line?
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• 4010[19:08:02] <benycze> Hi all .. i have one quesiont. I am using the chromium browser and I am not able to play any videos (on youtube for example). Do you have similar problem?
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• 4019[19:09:00] <jelly> debiannew: also, did you use the unofficial image(s) with wifi firmware included?
• 4020[19:09:03] <jelly> !firmware images
• 4021[19:09:03] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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• 4031[19:12:19] <awal1> benycze, same issue here, yes ; (even if it's a sid machine)
• 4032[19:12:54] <benycze> awal1: Have you try to solve it?
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• 4037[19:14:30] <awal1> benycze, sure, but I haven't find a solution. firefox (iceweasel) plays fine html5/adobe flash content on youtube but not chromium. chromium plays all everywhere, but nothing in youtube. I really have no idea
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• 4041[19:15:27] <awal1> for find a solution, one have to find the cause first ...
• 4042[19:15:35] <benycze> awal1: I will move deeper to problem. Time to recompile the package :)
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• 4046[19:16:08] <awal1> good luck, benycze
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• 4048[19:16:47] <tme5> chromium uses gstreamer?
• 4049[19:16:58] <tme5> or it's own media thing?
• 4050[19:17:10] <awal1> benycze, which architecture ?
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• 4054[19:17:54] <benycze> awal1: x86_64
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• 4058[19:18:34] <benycze> tme5: I am not sure if chromium is using gstreamer ... I think that it is using its own media thing.
• 4059[19:18:41] <mtn_> benycze: awal1: chromium works quite well on youtube
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• 4064[19:19:49] <benycze> mtm_: For me .. it is just playing sounds and no video at all. My version is 50.0.2661 .. from debian repo
• 4065[19:19:49] <awal1> mt_, not here (v. 50.0.2661.75-1)
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• 4071[19:20:25] <awal1> ,v chromium
• 4072[19:20:26] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 49.0.2623.108-1~deb8u1; stretch: 49.0.2623.108-1; jessie-security: 50.0.2661.75-1~deb8u1; sid: 50.0.2661.75-1
• 4073[19:20:29] <mtn_> awal1: must be something wrong with that version, then. chromium has always worked fine for youtube
• 4074[19:20:47] <r6ku> yes, chromium is borked on sid, didn't your read what apt-listbugs told you? :/
• 4075[19:21:02] <mtn_> silly sid users
• 4076[19:21:04] <awal1> mtn_, sid version here yes; started with that problem since yesterday after last update
• 4077[19:21:14] <benycze> mtn_: agree. It was working fine .. maybe .. it is time to move on google-chrome :D
• 4078[19:21:28] <mtn_> benycze: if you want things to work, use stable
• 4079[19:21:38] <awal1> +1 ^
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• 4088[19:22:35] <benycze> mtn_: I am using stable. The update comes as the security update
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• 4090[19:22:55] <awal1> r6ku, no advices by apt-listbugs about this specific issue
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• 4093[19:23:04] <winsen> hi all
• 4094[19:23:30] <mtn_> benycze: unusuall for them to break it for stabe
• 4095[19:23:32] <mtn_> stable
• 4096[19:23:35] <r6ku> awal1: well, that's what I got when I updated chromium yesterday
• 4097[19:23:42] <winsen> does anyone how to fix the following issue: W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 4098[19:23:44] <jmcnaught> chromium 50.0.2661.75-1~deb8u1 plays youtube fine for me on jessie
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• 4100[19:24:01] <awal1> r6ku, got whatexactly?
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• 4103[19:24:15] <mtn_> winsen: chrome no longere supports 32bit
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• 4105[19:24:30] <r6ku> awal1: the notice about the bug that says chromium crashes on video replaced-url
• 4106[19:24:31] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 4107[19:24:32] <potus> iceweasel works fine for me.
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• 4110[19:24:51] <winsen> mtn: do you mean that I should correct by "amd64é?
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• 4112[19:25:02] <winsen> mtn: do you mean that I should correct by "amd64"?
• 4113[19:25:18] <mtn_> winsen: is your debian install 32 or 64?
• 4114[19:25:25] <benycze> judd: Yeap ... already found it ... it is reported. I hope they will fix it fast. I like chromium
• 4115[19:25:33] <winsen> mtn: 64
• 4116[19:25:41] <frusen> hi, anyone know how i can find which, if any, package contains `libncursesw.so.6'
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• 4118[19:25:55] <mtn_> winsen: then install the 64bit version instead of the 32bit version
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• 4120[19:26:17] <awal1> r6ku, ok. I have upgraded before that bug being reported xD
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• 4127[19:27:31] <benycze> frusen: You can use apt-file tool
• 4128[19:27:44] <winsen> mtn: should I add this to repository: "deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
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• 4132[19:28:23] <frusen> benycze, problem is my system is broke :)
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• 4134[19:28:50] <frusen> i cannot do much, many programs are complaining about that library
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• 4142[19:31:00] <jmcnaught> frusen: replaced-url
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• 4144[19:32:06] <frusen> yes replaced-url
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• 4146[19:32:37] <dionysus69> are there premade debian setups like kodiubuntu for home media server solution?
• 4147[19:32:51] <jhutchins_wk> frusen: curses is usually a console menuing system.
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• 4149[19:33:18] <jhutchins_wk> frusen: Have you considered packages.debian.org?
• 4150[19:33:23] <frusen> yes, i know what curses is, what i want to do is to find a .deb, extract it, so i get the system running
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• 4152[19:33:33] <frusen> many basic things does not work
• 4153[19:33:38] <jmcnaught> frusen: well something from that repo or another third party repo has software in it that is linked to a library that doesn't exist in Debian
• 4154[19:33:41] <jhutchins_wk> frusen: Lack of curses shouldn't keep a system from working.
• 4155[19:34:07] <DJRWolf> is there an ISO that is just one big one that you can put on a 16 GB thumb drive?
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• 4158[19:34:25] <winsen> mtn: I don't understand, it's already what I have 64bit.
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• 4161[19:34:51] <frusen> jmcnaught, thanks, i will look into it, didn't think of that one. i'll return if i cannot solve it
• 4162[19:34:58] <teraflops> yeah that's what happens when you play with libncurses sonce a lot oh thing are build against that library you does not have any more
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• 4164[19:35:02] <mtn_> winsen: I would recommend going to the google chrome site to see what they want you to do
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• 4166[19:35:19] <teraflops> since a lot of things*
• 4167[19:35:22] <jmcnaught> winsen: are you using multi-arch? that would cause apt to fetch sources for i386 if you've added it as a foreign architecture
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• 4170[19:37:17] <jmcnaught> dionysus69: there are Debian blends, and the Debian Multimedia blend has a task that includes Kodi.
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• 4174[19:38:07] <jmcnaught> frusen: you may have created a frankendebian, maybe take a look at replaced-url
• 4175[19:38:09] <dionysus69> jmcnaught: thanks I ll take a look at multimedia. Also if I am planning to use regular pc with it and I want to buy a custom remote, how would custom remote communicate with pc if you know ?
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• 4186[19:40:11] <jmcnaught> dionysus69: probably using software like lirc. i don't know kodi but it might have some sort of integration that helps set that up
• 4187[19:40:17] <r6ku> dionysus69: replaced-url
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• 4189[19:40:46] <dionysus69> thanks :)
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• 4193[19:41:46] <DJRWolf> is there an ISO that is just one big one that you can put on a 16 GB thumb drive? I would prefer not having to have 3 separate thumb drives to install it
• 4194[19:41:50] <okee> Does anyone know what the Debian file name is for flow-linux640-latest.zip???
• 4195[19:42:21] <tjcarter> "flow-linux640-latest.zip"
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• 4198[19:42:36] <tjcarter> unless you're asking a different question
• 4199[19:42:50] * tjcarter kinda misses dselect.
• 4200[19:43:04] <tjcarter> it always had a certain pathological charm to it ;)
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• 4206[19:47:12] <jmcnaught> DJRWolf: if you have broadband you can just use the netinst image. very unlikely you would need all thee DVD isos
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• 4208[19:49:14] <winsen> can you please tell how to fix the following error: "deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
• 4209[19:50:04] <winsen> can you please tell how to fix the following error: "W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 4211[19:50:19] <DJRWolf> jmcnaught ok, thank you
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• 4213[19:50:39] <stoned> Tried everything, my config is fine, but Xorg crashes when Xinerama is enabled w/ nvidia. On old gpu this wasn't a problem.
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• 4216[19:50:58] <stoned> Remember I had all 6 monitors working in debian on gtx 275, same nvidia-driver package from stable
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• 4218[19:51:14] <stoned> Now same config, same driver, same everything, but GTX 760, and now it crashes.
• 4219[19:51:20] <stoned> *sigh*
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• 4284[20:14:39] <r6ku> winsen: not seeing anything related to chrome there, maybe it's in sources.list.d directory?
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• 4311[20:19:52] <winsen> can you please tell how to fix the following error: "W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 4314[20:20:27] <markybob> winsen: chrome doesn't do 32-bit
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• 4317[20:20:41] <mtn_> and it starts again
• 4318[20:21:04] <markybob> i just got here. *shrug*
• 4319[20:21:26] <mtn_> markybob: no prob, maybe you will have better luck ;)
• 4320[20:21:44] <markybob> mtn_: nah i trust you
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• 4335[20:27:52] <maxperformance> i have an old laptop and would like to know how i can maximise its video card performance. lspci says: VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV250/M9 GL [Mobility FireGL 9000/Radeon 9000] (rev 01)
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• 4339[20:31:24] <maxperformance> anyone?
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• 4346[20:35:24] <winsen> markybob: I am still runing chrome under debian 64, I don't understand why I get that error?
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• 4354[20:39:03] <okee> How do i get rid of the files that have the dot in front of them, under the user account. Other people report they don't have this problem, but this is what I ended up with after upgrading to Jessie.
• 4355[20:40:06] <Azrael_-> hi
• 4356[20:40:08] <Azrael_-> if i run a command in the cronjob and one using the command line i get different results. both commands are called using "sudo" and changed to the same user but i don't know where there are any more differences and how i could replicate the behaviour in cron. any hints?
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• 4361[20:41:42] <jmcnaught> okee: which file(s) do you have a problem with?
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• 4363[20:42:13] <markybob> Azrael_-: cronjob would use sh (which is dash), not bash. but i have to go. hope you can figure it out from that
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• 4366[20:42:37] <jmcnaught> Azrael_-: instead of using sudo in the script, could you simply put the script in that user's crontab? or put it in /etc/crontab which lets you specify the user?
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• 4375[20:45:05] <okee> jmcnaught> replaced-url
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• 4378[20:46:26] <okee> jmcnaught> My other files that are not started with a dot, are directly below the dot files.
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• 4380[20:46:55] <jmcnaught> okee: you could simply delete the ones you don't need one by one in your file manager. even better, move them to a different directory in case you need them later.
• 4381[20:47:19] <jmcnaught> okee: or set whichever filemanager that is to not show hidden files
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• 4383[20:48:00] <okee> jmcnaught> Probably using the filemanager to not show the hidden files is the best option. Thanks for the feedback.
• 4384[20:48:23] <maxperformance> btw, i installed xorg and was running X on the laptop before asking here
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• 4386[20:48:46] <okee> jmcnaught> Also, do you know which file in the repos is for Selemium-java? I don't see it, but would be surprised if it isn't there.
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• 4389[20:50:23] <jmcnaught> maxperformance: your GPU might perform better with the firmware installed. did you look at replaced-url
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• 4393[20:51:32] <jmcnaught> okee: did you search on replaced-url
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• 4397[20:52:34] <maxperformance> jmcnaught, i am running MATE and do not want to install any non free stuff
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• 4399[20:52:41] <okee> jmcnaught> I searched using apt-cache search selenium-java and selenium*
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• 4401[20:53:34] <jmcnaught> maxperformance: i understand that. if X is working without the firmware, don't bother with it.
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• 4405[20:54:50] <maxperformance> jmcnaught, are you saying that there is no way to improve 2D performance on my laptop without using nonfree firmware?
• 4406[20:55:02] <r6ku> perform better with the firmware is an understatement, you don't get hardware rendering without it
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• 4408[20:56:43] <maxperformance> r6ku, are you talking to me?
• 4409[20:56:52] <Azrael_-> jmcnaught: if i add it to the cronjob of the user with "crontab -e -u <myuser>" it isn't executed and i don't see any messages
• 4410[20:56:58] <jmcnaught> maxperformance: take a look at the wiki page i linked to. note that non-free firmwares while not ideal are loaded on to the GPU, not the same thing as running non-free drivers (like fglrx) on the CPU. lots of free drivers require non-free firmwares, especially wifi adapters
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• 4414[20:57:53] <jmcnaught> Azrael_-: did you try using /etc/crontab?
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• 4416[20:58:16] <iio7> Is it possible to use PlayDeb on Debian - if yes, how?
• 4417[20:58:35] <maxperformance> thanks to the people who replied
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• 4433[21:02:04] <jmcnaught> iio7: that looks like it's for Ubuntu. Ubuntu repos are not compatible with Debian.
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• 4440[21:04:46] <awal1> I dont understand why debian collaborate with ubuntu; relations should end
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• 4444[21:06:28] <awal1> almost all ubuntu pkgs are gotten from debian, and the reverse is at minimums...
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• 4459[21:12:08] <awal1> the only interesting pkg made by ubuntu is 'lightdm'. but now we have 'sddm', lighter then lightdm («---- install sddm sddm-theme-maui or another theme for avoid breeze theme and kde deps/recommends)
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• 4467[21:14:05] <tjcarter> lightdm originates with Ubuntu?
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• 4469[21:14:10] <tjcarter> wasn't aware of that
• 4470[21:14:36] <markybob> !ot
• 4471[21:14:37] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 4474[21:15:06] <zinx> tjcarter: pretty sure it doesn't
• 4475[21:15:18] <tjcarter> yeah
• 4476[21:15:35] <tjcarter> I didn't think so, which is why I'm like ... orly?
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• 4478[21:16:14] <markybob> it doesnt. still off topic
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• 4485[21:20:23] <tjcarter> markybob: okay, it's been more than a decade since I was a Debian developer, so nothing I say really matters, but responding to something said in THIS channel in ANOTHER channel that the person who said it isn't in ... is probably absolutely ridiculously not helpful to anybody on the planet. And cracking the whip the moment anything said veers from the topic does not keep things moving smoothly and on topic
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• 4487[21:20:25] <tjcarter> either.
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• 4492[21:21:05] <markybob> tjcarter: i didn't do that. i'm only in one channel. this one.
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• 4497[21:21:34] <markybob> tjcarter: i don't know how you got that idea. seriously.
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• 4503[21:22:51] <tjcarter> and the person who made the comment was in this channel. My response questioning it was likewise also in this channel, as was the confirmation that the initial assertion was incorrect. That was four lines. Already more has been said about the off-topicness of the off-topicness than was said that was off-topic in the first place, so I'll leave it at that.
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• 4505[21:23:12] <markybob> wow
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• 4525[21:26:55] <tjcarter> Anyway, I've been trying to rewrite Raspple II's udev rules so that it behaves intelligently on Debian systems, but still does "magic" on RPi. If someone is particularly udev-savvy, I'd appreciate a look
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• 4528[21:27:07] <tjcarter> replaced-url
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• 4541[21:27:55] <tjcarter> with all that goto crap I feel lime I'm working ON the Apple in basic. :P
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• 4664[21:42:39] <damarusama> how do I make sure fbterm load when I boot? after login
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• 4680[21:46:53] <PryMar56> can `dpkg-deb -x` extract individual file from the deb?
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• 4726[22:01:45] <stoned> If I disable Xinerama, and define 4 screens, 4 devices, 4 monitors I can get each of them up, but no window dragging etc.
• 4727[22:02:16] <stoned> Any idea how how/where to figure out what's causing the problem if it's not nvidia driver?
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• 4824[22:41:36] <FranklY> man I wish I could regex
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• 4839[22:48:35] <pedrito> what's the best way to remove a meta package alone, leaving its deps, and then later remove unwanted deps?
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• 4842[22:49:24] <pedrito> or, alternatively: 1) what's the best way to remove a meta package alone? 2) what's the best way to remove no-longer-dep'd deps?
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• 4859[22:56:26] <FranklY> Given a list of urls, what's the easiest way to parse them and wget them into specific directories?
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• 4862[22:57:56] <musca> FranklY: sounds like a perfect question for #wget
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• 4865[22:59:02] <musca> for a start: -i file Read URLs from a local or external file.
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• 4872[23:00:56] <hermitanio> How could I install Debian to a large number of computers in a small amount of time with a slow internet connection? Can I install from a local mirror? Can I share the installer .iso over lan somehow? This is for a 3 hour workshop.
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• 4877[23:02:51] <musca> !netboot
• 4878[23:02:52] <dpkg> [netboot] a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. replaced-url
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• 4880[23:03:33] <hermitanio> Thank you musca
• 4881[23:03:34] <musca> !preseed
• 4882[23:03:34] <dpkg> [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See replaced-url
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• 4884[23:04:15] <teraflops> if you internet is slow but you network doesn't consider pxe or a local mirror I suppose
• 4885[23:04:22] <teraflops> your*
• 4886[23:04:38] <cra1g321> don't*
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• 4888[23:05:08] <hermitanio> I don't know if the internet connection at the venue will be good or not, so I want something reliable
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• 4892[23:06:55] <FranklY> PXE it
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• 4894[23:07:22] <Pablo^^> hello
• 4895[23:07:25] <FranklY> PXE installing is a piece of cake, doesn't even require a powerful server in most cases
• 4896[23:08:34] <FranklY> I mean, even I managed to do it, and that's saying something
• 4897[23:09:41] <hermitanio> cool, sounds like the way to go
• 4898[23:10:36] <toruvinn> hermitanio, if they're kinda similar configurations, you could probably just dd the partitions over lan to other PCs and reconfigure the IP (if it's not dhcp) + hostname there... that's the easiest and probably the fastest way, as you only download the packages once.
• 4899[23:10:45] <FranklY> ereplaced-url
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• 4901[23:10:46] <Pablo^^> I have debian 7.10 with xfce , and I'm tring to connect it to the access point wifi
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• 4903[23:11:06] <FranklY> Pablo^^: use the wifi thing under the "Internet" tab