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22[00:03:58] <buddybenj> How do I stop Debian from telling me that COMRESET failed during boot?
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27[00:04:45] <buddybenj> Also, when I try to mount my ntfs drive with permissions, is tells me "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory"
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32[00:05:20] <buddybenj> It was my understanding that Debian is capable of mounting NTFS drives with permission
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36[00:05:59] <LtL> buddybenj: it is
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40[00:06:15] <buddybenj> So why is it giving me that error?
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47[00:07:06] <rattking> buddybenj put " " about that path I bet the spaces are giving it trouble
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49[00:07:26] <buddybenj> I have quotes
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53[00:08:15] <jml2> buddybenj, ""
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56[00:08:24] <jml2> buddybenj, i can type quotes
57[00:08:27] <jml2> buddybenj, "type"
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60[00:08:37] <jml2> buddybenj, or
61[00:08:49] <jml2> buddybenj, no type... that is the anti-quote of the day.
62[00:08:53] <jml2> I say.
63[00:08:57] <jml2> XD
64[00:09:30] <buddybenj> jml2: Funniest joke of all time
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67[00:09:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> buddybenj, better yet, try a mountpoint without spaces...
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70[00:10:13] <buddybenj> But Hard Disk Drive is the drives name.
71[00:10:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> the error actually suggests spaces were correct from the mounting
72[00:10:37] <buddybenj> I don't have a drive without a space in the name
73[00:10:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> but they're still likely the reason something went wrong
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76[00:11:47] <buddybenj> Also, does anyone know how to make Debian stop telling me that COMRESET failed during boot.
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81[00:12:32] * jml2 broked a nail and blames debian
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91[00:13:34] <buddybenj> Is there anyway to fix write faults on Debian?
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95[00:14:10] <jml2> nope
96[00:14:28] <jml2> check the cable, change kernels?, or update the bios
97[00:14:44] <jml2> ^ try those.. other than that it's outside the control of the software thing
98[00:14:47] <jml2> zing
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100[00:14:53] <buddybenj> I swapped the cable and my BIOS is up to date.
101[00:15:09] <buddybenj> What do you mean change kernels?
102[00:15:17] <jml2> maybe try another kernel..
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105[00:15:27] <jml2> (cross fingers)
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109[00:16:06] <buddybenj> Well, the only other kernel I have is Windows, and that can't read ext4 partitions.
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111[00:16:27] <jml2> buddybenj, maybe lower the speed of something "bus" in the bios..
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114[00:16:53] <jml2> buddybenj, you overclocking? (using xmp1600 mgz for ram?)
115[00:16:57] <buddybenj> But, I shouldn't have to lower the speed to make it work.
116[00:17:05] <buddybenj> I am not overclocking.
117[00:17:24] <buddybenj> So, since there is now way to fix it, I assume it is a known bug?
118[00:17:30] <buddybenj> no way*
119[00:17:30] <jml2> buddybenj, shouldn't, but something may not be in sync.. you could try to augment 5 seconds to 10, in the hard-drive pre-delay
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123[00:18:05] <buddybenj> All right, I'll try that next time I reboot
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126[00:18:08] <jml2> buddybenj, "sometimes" this can help.. though these problems usually means something is flimsy on the motherboard
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130[00:18:30] <buddybenj> But my SSD works perfectly, so I don't think it's the motherboard.
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132[00:18:33] <jml2> buddybenj, here I had a similar problem... and just got sick of it, had to ditch the motherboard completely
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135[00:19:10] <jml2> buddybenj, whatever equivalent... maybe turn off "fast boot"
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137[00:19:15] <buddybenj> Has anyone figured out how to fix the problem with my hard drive not mounting?
138[00:19:26] <jml2> buddybenj, and turn off "windows-like" driver features that are not normally supported in linux
139[00:19:36] <jml2> buddybenj, or maybe keep that one instead, as you are using a windows boot
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142[00:19:58] <jml2> buddybenj, thought you are focusing here about "booting", what's this got to do with mounting?
143[00:20:18] <buddybenj> I shouldn't have to turn off fast boot to make my computer work since it worked before with fast boot on.
144[00:20:34] <jml2> buddybenj, well here I've done all this over the last 10+ years..
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146[00:20:48] <jml2> buddybenj, I know what has worked for me in the past.. This is trial-and-error..
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148[00:20:54] <jml2> buddybenj, sry buddy
149[00:20:56] <jml2> lol
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151[00:21:12] <buddybenj> When I mount an NTFS partition, it tells me "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory" It is a separate issue
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153[00:21:23] <jml2> it's kinda non-debian related issue to say the least -- just going by what i know
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155[00:22:04] <buddybenj> The mounting issue or the write fault issue?
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159[00:24:04] <buddybenj> all right i'll see what
160[00:24:09] <buddybenj> I can do in the BIOS
161[00:24:11] <buddybenj> brb
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176[00:30:57] <buddybenj> jml2: I didn't see any of the options you mentioned. And fast boot is already disabled. So, should I contact my manufacturer for a replacement?
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180[00:32:06] <jml2> buddybenj, you could try running any of their diagnostics tools on the Windows platform and run hardware tests i suppose..
181[00:32:15] <jml2> buddybenj, it';s possible something hardware is going bad
182[00:32:41] <buddybenj> All right I'll contact support.
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185[00:33:01] <jml2> buddybenj, easier if you download any diagnostic tools from your laptop manufacturer page and run tests
186[00:33:14] <buddybenj> Also, do you know how to fix the mounting issue I was having?
187[00:33:20] <jml2> buddybenj, if there's drive or memory failures, then that shoudl be covered by warranty
188[00:33:41] <buddybenj> I have already tried the diagnostics tools.
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192[00:35:18] <buddybenj> Does anyone know how to fix the error: "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory" when mounting an NTFS partition with permissions?
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199[00:37:53] <nickchoice> hi, i am trying to connect to another debian machine using ssh. it only allows keyfile, and i have the pub key which is needed. but it gives me this when i try to connect: Permission denied (publickey).
200[00:38:15] <jml2> nickchoice, cuse ya didnt specify a key
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202[00:38:23] <jml2> nickchoice, you use th eprivate key with the ssh command
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204[00:38:57] <nickchoice> so not the public but the private?
205[00:39:03] <buddybenj> How do I make Debian stop telling me that COMRESET failed?
206[00:39:19] <jml2> nickchoice, you keep both on your workstation, but the ssh command at session time needs to have the private key specified
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209[00:39:40] <jml2> nickchoice, and of course only the "public key" needs to be already stored on the server side
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213[00:40:43] <nickchoice> i am on another computer (my desktop) and i have the keys (and a successful connection) on my laptop
214[00:40:54] <nickchoice> jml2^
215[00:41:00] <buddybenj> Does anyone know how to fix the error: "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory" when mounting an NTFS partition with permissions?
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217[00:41:24] <nickchoice> so i have to send the pub key to the server! ok
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220[00:42:46] <jml2> nickchoice, y.. you can use ssh-copid
221[00:43:02] <nickchoice> will it accept?
222[00:43:03] <jml2> nickchoice, you can use ssh-copy-id .. and that'll add the pub key to the server's side of ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2
223[00:43:04] <nickchoice> ok will try
224[00:43:13] <nickchoice> nice
225[00:43:19] <awal1> How to check which xul-ext is making my Iceweasel run so slow and eating too much cpu without having to disable the extensions one by one and restart icewesel each time?
226[00:43:22] <jml2> nickchoice, but the server needs to allow "password authentcation" in order to use ssh-copy-id
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228[00:43:44] <nickchoice> ok thank you m8
229[00:44:10] <awal1> I mean check that in "live", if I can say taht
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232[00:44:24] <nickchoice> i have physical access to it, so i think i will just copy it, it seams easier
233[00:44:29] <nickchoice> and safer :)
234[00:44:44] <awal1> Any monitoring tool wable to do similar stuff?
235[00:44:52] <awal1> able ^
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237[00:45:22] <awal1> a tool which can monitor X pid and the sub-process's
238[00:45:23] <nickchoice> such as ?
239[00:46:15] <buddybenj> Does anyone know how to fix the error: "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory" when mounting an NTFS partition with permissions?
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242[00:48:25] <nickchoice> jml2: i just did the ssh-copy-id anyway, and it did not work: Permission denied (publickey). (is still a problem, i think i will try alternativly copying the keys)
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245[00:49:11] <jml2> nickchoice, well if your admin gave you a priv/pub key pair then you have to use that exaclty.. --- you need to have a copy of the pubkey in your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 on the server side
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247[00:49:29] <jml2> nickchoice, otherwise it's not possible to copy it--- ssh-copy-id requires password authentication
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250[00:50:25] <buddybenj> How do I make Debian stop telling me that COMRESET failed when I'm booting?
251[00:50:27] <nickchoice> the pub key is located on the server now
252[00:50:32] <jml2> nickchoice, (presumably using a login password, so password authentication should be enabled, -- manpage ssh-copy-id)
253[00:50:42] <nickchoice> i logged in with password after changing it to yes and back to no again
254[00:51:05] <nickchoice> still getting Permission denied (publickey). lol
255[00:51:06] <buddybenj> Does anyone know how to fix the error: "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory" when mounting an NTFS partition with permissions?
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257[00:51:56] <nickchoice> damn, jml2 the pubkey needs to be different from the one on the other machine that also has access to it right?
258[00:52:26] <buddybenj> How do I make Debian stop telling me that COMRESET failed when I'm booting?
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260[00:53:05] <Ormm> buddybenj do some googling instead of just repeating your questions every 2second
261[00:53:05] <jml2> buddybenj, you can try to disable ncq with the grub setting ( replaced-url
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266[00:54:12] <jml2> buddybenj, a long shot, dunno if this still applies to now kernels -- add 'libata.force=noncq' to the end of the grub default kernel boot line (/etc/default/grub), and update-grub<enter>, then reboot
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268[00:54:34] <buddybenj> jml2: Thanks, I'll try
269[00:54:49] <jml2> buddybenj, (can also google -> ' "libata.force=noncq" debian kernel ' )
270[00:55:03] <jml2> buddybenj, (can give some extra search results)
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272[00:55:44] <buddybenj> Is there anyway to open gedit as sudo so I can edit the file.
273[00:55:51] <buddybenj> Also, without using terminal
274[00:56:02] <phy1729> sudo -e file
275[00:56:15] <jml2> buddybenj, you can also use gksudo for graphical apps :)
276[00:56:37] <buddybenj> I don't have gksudo.
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278[00:56:44] <jml2> buddybenj, so install it :)
279[00:57:00] <jml2> buddybenj, (package gksu)
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283[00:57:36] * jml2 says mcedit or le are easy cli-candidates for the command-line
284[00:57:48] <buddybenj> I still can't open it as root.
285[00:58:18] <jml2> buddybenj, the first user is by default the admin
286[00:58:29] <buddybenj> But it says read only
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289[00:58:55] <jml2> buddybenj, dunno, maybe you can force it to "write"
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291[00:59:04] <buddybenj> It wonn't let me
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296[00:59:18] <jml2> buddybenj, so then try logging in as root (maybe -> sudo su -l)
297[00:59:32] <buddybenj> But I want to do it without using terminal.
298[00:59:39] <jml2> buddybenj, then manually use sudo... but if you're stuck with vi, i'd suggest mcedit
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300[01:00:09] <buddybenj> But the problem is that it is still readonly because it isn't running as root
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302[01:00:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> just use nano as editor
303[01:01:37] <buddybenj> The editor isn't the issue, it's that fact that none of them have permission to edit the file.
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305[01:01:51] <buddybenj> Why is editing a file so hard?
306[01:02:04] <buddybenj> This is nonsense.
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309[01:02:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> because you want to do it Your Way™
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311[01:03:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> I can edit hundreds of files a day and it's not hard at all
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313[01:03:18] <buddybenj> I just want to edit the file, the Save button is grayed out though.
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316[01:03:23] <nickchoice> jml2: i now have made new keys, and did what you said, but still get the error
317[01:03:26] <jml2> nano, pico, mcedit, zed, joe, le, i think are pretty easy to use
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319[01:03:41] <buddybenj> But the save button is grayed out on all of them.
320[01:03:49] <jml2> nickchoice, you're an idiot.. i never said you had to make new keys :)
321[01:03:57] <jml2> nickchoice, you just needed to copy the pubkey to the other side
322[01:04:00] <nickchoice> ok, lol
323[01:04:09] <nickchoice> i did
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326[01:04:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> jml2, pico isn't gpl, so it's not in debian (anyway, that's why nano exists)
327[01:04:46] <buddybenj> Does anyone know how to fix the error: "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /media/buddybenj/Hard Disk Drive: No such file or directory" when mounting an NTFS partition with permissions?
328[01:04:50] <nickchoice> i did after erasing the old key from the file
329[01:05:17] <buddybenj> CutMeOwnThroat: Nano isn't working for me either.
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331[01:06:44] <buddybenj> How do I make it not read-only? I don't need Debian to protect me from shooting my own foot. I should be allowed to modify the file.
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338[01:08:23] <buddybenj> How do I make Debian stop telling me that COMRESET failed when I'm booting?
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340[01:09:01] <jml2> buddybenj, maybe you should grow up
341[01:09:09] <jml2> buddybenj, and learn how to use a text-editor
342[01:09:28] <qmr> shots fired
343[01:09:43] <jml2> CutMeOwnThroat, pico is here on debian
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345[01:09:50] <jml2> CutMeOwnThroat, at least when debian first sets up
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347[01:10:12] <buddybenj> jml2: Is this not the best Debian channel for support? If not where is the best channel for support?
348[01:10:13] <jml2> i suppose that is aliased
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351[01:10:39] <jml2> yeah it symlinks to nano
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353[01:10:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> jml2, try ls -Ll /usr/bin/pico /usr/bin/nano
354[01:10:51] <jml2> (/etc/alternatives/pico -> symlinks)
355[01:10:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> (also without the L )
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358[01:12:05] <jml2> buddybenj, --> "sudo su -l" << i told you how to become root. If you can't become root this way, then you need to boot with a Gparted Live iso or use the Debian Installer CD/DVD to do "chroot"
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360[01:12:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> buddybenj, run nano as root... either with su (run it from the shell you get) or if you have sudo instead with sudo nano filename
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362[01:13:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> jml2, right... because nano is the gpl-rewrite of pico
363[01:13:05] <buddybenj> I already tried that, but it still tells me that I can't save my changes.
364[01:13:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> buddybenj, what file is that
365[01:13:23] <awal1> How to limite network bandwidth use for youtube-dl?
366[01:13:46] <sweettea> qos?
367[01:13:57] <buddybenj> etc/default/grub
368[01:14:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> awal1, man youtube-dl, search for limit with /limit
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370[01:14:33] <jml2> buddybenj, mount |grep ro
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372[01:14:59] <awal1> CutMeOwnThroat, I was doing search inside man using bandwith word, I'll try with limit and see
373[01:15:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> buddybenj, you're missing a / there?
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375[01:15:22] <buddybenj> typing the slash doesn't work in IRC
376[01:15:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> /
377[01:15:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> but ok
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379[01:15:37] <buddybenj> try typing /etc
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381[01:15:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> /etc
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383[01:16:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> (you can escape it by writing //etc)
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385[01:16:13] <buddybenj> /etc
386[01:16:16] <buddybenj> ah ok
387[01:16:18] <buddybenj> thanks
388[01:16:32] <awal1> CutMeOwnThroat, ok, thanks. search 'limit' gave me the result (-r, --rate-limit option)
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390[01:17:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> etc/default/ wouldn't have existed... so that would have been an easy explanation
391[01:17:22] <buddybenj> wouldn't have existed if what?
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393[01:17:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> you cannot write to the file /asdf/dfdkj/xxx either
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397[01:18:04] <buddybenj> It does exist
398[01:18:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> when there is no /asdf/dfdkj
399[01:18:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> yes, but that's why I asked
400[01:18:35] <buddybenj> but there is /etc/default/
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402[01:19:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> are you using su or sudo for it
403[01:19:14] <buddybenj> sudo
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406[01:19:51] <nickchoice> Hi jml2, a restart on the local machine did the work, thanks for the help and excuse me for upsetting you. goodnight
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408[01:20:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> and "sudo id" shows uid=0(root)
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411[01:20:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> and what about the "mount | grep ro" from above
412[01:20:28] <buddybenj> correct
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414[01:20:57] <jml2> nickdastain, good! glad I can help :)
415[01:21:01] <buddybenj> That prints out a ton of stuff
416[01:21:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah
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418[01:21:19] <jml2> i was checking to see if "/" was mounted read-only
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420[01:21:23] <buddybenj> e.g. proc on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
421[01:21:49] <jml2> nickchoice, I meant (and good luck to you sir!)
422[01:21:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> try mount | grep ro,
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424[01:22:10] <buddybenj> I did
425[01:22:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> with the comma
426[01:22:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> ops, must sleep.
427[01:23:00] <buddybenj> /dev/sdb5 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)
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429[01:23:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> that should be ok
430[01:23:30] <buddybenj> Hoe is this supposed to help me edit the file?
431[01:23:41] <buddybenj> how*
432[01:24:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> find the reason you cannot write, then fix whatever was the problem?
433[01:24:21] <buddybenj> Oh ok
434[01:24:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> but so far there was no obvious problem
435[01:24:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> good luck, I need sleep
436[01:25:00] <buddybenj> All right, thanks anyway
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462[01:41:47] <guampa> is it possible for auto+dhcp devices in /etc/network/interfaces to wait in the brackground to be up instead of blocking the boot process?
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468[01:44:36] <toruvinn> guampa, im just guessing here that it's made like this because you may (and probably do) need working networking for whatever happens later in the boot process
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470[01:45:28] <toruvinn> guampa, for "secondary" interfaces you can probably just remove them from "auto" in network/interfaces and ifup ... & them, dunno, from rc.local? kinda ugly, but should work. someone here may come up with a better idea
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474[01:46:19] <guampa> most probably, but I'm looking for some override. for now I disabled auto for the interface, and just bring it up and send it to background in rc.local, and then fire up what I need for the interface to get its address (a container with DHCP service)
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476[01:47:03] <guampa> I could move this to a custom init script, but before I go there I wanted to find out if there's an alternative
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478[01:47:46] <guampa> was there some "concurrent" boot?
479[01:48:11] <toruvinn> guampa, i remember that some dhcp clients used to fork if they didn't get a lease on the first try. you could, perhaps, use such client in net/interfaces? (for dhcp intfs you can specify "client XXX")
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483[01:49:41] <guampa> toruvinn: I will look into that, it might be useful
484[01:49:50] <toruvinn> guampa, well, just wait for someone who has a better idea to wake up here. ;-)
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486[01:49:56] <guampa> heh
487[01:50:00] <guampa> thanks
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489[01:50:21] <toruvinn> i've ran out of mine. you could probably modify the scripts too, but gotta be careful with that one.
490[01:50:24] <toruvinn> good luck!
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512[02:01:39] <jml2> guampa, you can pass scripts to interfaces using the "manual" and "up" statements in interfaces
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517[02:02:44] <guampa> jml2: I'll try that
518[02:03:28] <guampa> I'll try "manual" and see if there's a dhcp up script I can copy
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521[02:03:57] <jml2> guampa, dhcp script?
522[02:04:59] <guampa> yeah, when you set an interface as dhcp... but I'm thinking that up/down scripts don't exist until you make one manually
523[02:05:01] <jml2> (check dhclient.conf)
524[02:05:09] <jml2> hein?
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532[02:08:57] <guampa> I thought the dhcp interfaces were brought up by scripts under /etc/network, instead of how it actually is done with ifup
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535[02:09:35] <jml2> guampa, are you trying to setup dhcpd?
536[02:09:45] <jml2> guampa, or just setting up the dhcp client?
537[02:10:12] <jml2> guampa, you can specify dhclient in the up statement line after setting the interface to static
538[02:10:33] <jml2> guampa, (you can include dhclient in your own custom script)
539[02:10:34] <guampa> oh that could work
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542[02:11:03] <guampa> I could bring it up with static so the container can fire up (it depends on that same interface as it's a bridge)
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544[02:11:08] <jml2> guampa, are you using anything "special", otherwise commenting-out "auto <interface>" -- would mean that NM would handle it
545[02:11:18] <jml2> guampa, you'd have to blacklist the interface as well in NM
546[02:11:30] <jml2> guampa, dunno if you're having NM loading up
547[02:11:31] <guampa> the system is nm-less
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549[02:12:01] <jml2> guampa, you're using a "bridge" interface?
550[02:12:08] <jml2> guampa, then you use the bridge stanzas
551[02:12:15] <jml2> guampa, you'll have to add the package for it
552[02:12:35] <jml2> i usppose that would be for "brctl" -- bridge-utils
553[02:13:04] <guampa> yes, it all works actually
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555[02:13:35] <jml2> needless to say and fwiw, openvswitch and macvtaps are the modern form of bridge interfaces
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557[02:13:53] <jml2> brctl is imho quite oldschool
558[02:13:56] <jml2> :)
559[02:14:28] <guampa> I know, yes I should be using openvswitch actually, but opted for the classics b/c the rest of the setup is kinda experimental/complex
560[02:14:30] <jml2> if all you want to do is talk to a VM<->host, then you don't need to use more than a basic tuntap device
561[02:14:51] <jml2> (man ip-tuntap)
562[02:14:58] <guampa> everything works now, and at some point I will use ovs
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566[02:15:44] <guampa> I need a single broadcast domain for all VMs and the containers within them, so everything I fire up is autoconfigured with DHCP/DDNS
567[02:16:16] <guampa> so far I chain two bridges, one at the top, physical host, and one at every KVM guest
568[02:16:34] <guampa> another option is to "mess with ebtables"
569[02:16:38] <jml2> but it doesn't isolate traffic good
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571[02:16:54] <guampa> well for that part probably ebtables is the best
572[02:16:59] <jml2> that's why brctl actualyl sux... you're much better off with ovs!
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574[02:17:14] <guampa> but as said so far I'm just setting everything up
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578[02:17:20] <jml2> still the traffic reaches the host/hypervisor..
579[02:17:26] <jml2> with ovs it's much more isolating
580[02:17:42] <jml2> and you can bridge ovs-ovs on one machine too
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582[02:17:51] <guampa> where would you put the DHCP+DDNS in a structure like this?
583[02:17:54] <jml2> there's stanzas supported for it as well
584[02:18:00] <jml2> simple
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586[02:18:26] <jml2> set the managed port "br0" on an ovs bridge, and that can service DHCPD fromt he host if you want
587[02:18:37] <jml2> or even have DHCPD serviced from another VM
588[02:18:46] <jml2> there's many ways of doing it
589[02:19:01] <jml2> the "slave port" doesn't have to be "eth0"
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591[02:19:13] <stacks88> ive got a few vms running using KVM. i am trying to make it so that smtp is blocked on my gusets for outgoing so they can't send out mail etc. trying to prevent abuse. so i have ran iptables -I FORWARD -o br0 -p tcp --dport 25 -j DROP; iptables -I FORWARD -o br0 -p tcp --dport 587 -j DROP -- then from one of the guests, i ran as a test telnet smtp.sendgrid.net 25 and it still connects/establishes
592[02:19:14] <stacks88> a connection. Does anyone know what i'm doing wrong? here is my iptables ruleset: replaced-url
593[02:19:16] <guampa> yeah, sadly I'm at zero on ovs terminology
594[02:19:21] <jml2> br0 becomes eth0 when you slave things
595[02:19:32] <jml2> in a way -- in simple speak
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598[02:19:50] <jml2> you could make a "dummy" interface and slave that to a bridge for br0
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600[02:20:02] <jml2> and that dummy interface can have a host-ip address
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602[02:20:11] <jml2> (host meaning the physical machine)
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604[02:20:16] <guampa> kinda like I have now at the top, a TAP+bridge
605[02:20:29] <jml2> guampa, uh huh
606[02:20:48] <jml2> guampa, but don't you want to isolate traffic?
607[02:21:14] <jml2> guampa, the purpose of VMS is to isolate traffic from the host.. you'd like to protect the hypervisor as much as possible -- this is why brctl was superceded by ovs
608[02:21:39] <jml2> guampa, it's also very easy to setup too
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610[02:21:57] <guampa> heh, of course, but there's the catch22, how to have stuff that needs a single broadcast domain and at the same time break the domains
611[02:22:08] <guampa> stuff like... DHCP
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614[02:22:25] <jml2> guampa, here-> replaced-url
615[02:23:09] <jml2> guampa, are you servicing dhcp over the wire?
616[02:23:29] <jml2> guampa, in that condition, you just slave eth0 to an ovs bridge, ...
617[02:23:33] <guampa> no, this is all in the same machine and its VMS
618[02:23:53] <jml2> guampa, yeah so i mentioned already that you can also use a dummy interface
619[02:24:02] <jml2> guampa, (modprobe dummy) :)
620[02:24:17] <jml2> guampa, you can have more than 1 dummy interface using module options (/etc/modprobe.d.)
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622[02:25:00] <jml2> guampa, though if you want to "attach" such a dummy interface.. I think "tuntap" should rather be used--- for the host itself, while the other side is attached to the ovs bridge
623[02:25:16] <jml2> (you should be able to use a dummy interface with brctl)
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626[02:25:37] <jmcnaught> systemd-networkd might be a lighter-weight alternative to openvswitch
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628[02:26:01] <guampa> what does it use under the hood?
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632[02:26:34] <jmcnaught> systemd? it doesn't use brctl or openvswitch
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634[02:27:59] <jmcnaught> i don't think networkd is integrated very much in jessie, but it is there. i've only seen it spoken about in a debconf15 video and read the man page, i haven't tried it yet. still using the oldschool techniques
635[02:28:09] <guampa> at the same time I see ip alone can create bridges, so no need for brctl there either
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640[02:30:02] <jml2> guampa, depends on what you mean by bridge -- there's several of them
641[02:30:11] <jml2> guampa, (macvtaps in different modes), veth, ...
642[02:30:32] <jml2> guampa, macvtaps shuold be supported by your VM software
643[02:30:50] <guampa> I avoided macvtap as I read it may present problems with guest-host traffic
644[02:30:55] <jml2> guampa, these are advanced and can get stacked directly on eth0.. but interacting with the machine (Host) can be done directly
645[02:31:09] <jml2> guampa, well they're meant for traffic isolation
646[02:31:23] <jml2> guampa, you'd need an external router to do traffic with its eth0 host
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649[02:32:15] <guampa> this is all very amazing, really. So much new stuff
650[02:32:18] <jml2> ->
651[02:32:24] <jml2> "but interacting with the machine (Host) can be done directly" << "can't be done directly"
652[02:32:26] <jml2> what i meant
653[02:32:45] <jml2> it's new the last 2 years.. it started getting stable
654[02:32:53] <guampa> yeah that's why I avoided it. Outside the real ethernet there's only a crappy TP-Link router :p
655[02:32:54] <jml2> especially macvtaps
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657[02:33:12] <jml2> also you can do "macvtap passthrough" -- in which in this mode a macvtap completely hogs the eth0 interface :)
658[02:33:22] <jml2> so eth0 is not available for anything else
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662[02:33:39] <guampa> I will probably leave this as it is until I can learn all the new combinations and good practices
663[02:33:51] <jml2> good practice is "ovs" -- not brctl..
664[02:33:55] <jml2> trust me :)
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666[02:34:21] <jml2> once you go ovs, you don't go back.. also if you see things with "vde2" -- it's not as advanced -- i think vde2 is a dead project
667[02:34:23] <guampa> yeah, even with all this over my head I concluded I want to go there before, when I started this project
668[02:34:57] <guampa> so for now I'll try maybe static+up in interfaces. But it's really cosmetic as it works with the rc.local hack and I will move soon to ovs
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670[02:35:25] <jml2> you'll waste time trying to use ebtables-- i tried everything you're doing 2 years ago actually
671[02:35:43] <jml2> even back then i had to compile the latest ovs because it was still coming out of stable
672[02:35:52] <guampa> ebtables looks like lots of money on aspirin
673[02:36:19] <jml2> i tried ebtables with "bridge" interfaces to no success -- this was some time ago..
674[02:36:31] <jml2> i suppose it is "buggy"
675[02:36:34] <jml2> lol
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678[02:37:04] <jml2> i let you try to use it.. but you'll end up with the same issues-- i don't think these projects are maintained anymore
679[02:37:30] <guampa> I don't think it's buggy, but it's too low level and it would require too much effort for the gain, at least that's how it looks
680[02:37:43] <jml2> it's now pretty much iproute2 and forward... it's why some mainstream distros have been even dropping ifupdown support (not packaging ifconfig)
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682[02:37:57] <jml2> from my experience ebtables doesn't work..
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684[02:38:01] <guampa> well ifconfig should be dead
685[02:38:38] <jml2> guampa, are you using tuntaps or ..
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689[02:38:52] <jml2> guampa, something lxc takes
690[02:39:30] <jml2> (ip tuntap --- but there are others)
691[02:39:51] <guampa> yeah tuntaps
692[02:39:58] <guampa> TAP devices
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694[02:40:02] <jml2> i use ovs+tuntap, i don't know if the other virt interfaaces connect to ovs
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697[02:40:35] <jml2> guampa, if you follow that basic tutorial above (youtube), it can give a basic sense
698[02:41:08] <guampa> bookmarked :)
699[02:41:32] <jml2> guampa, when you add ports to an ovs bridge, it stores things in it's own database --- you might have issues when you "boot" where there's mismatch between device nodes and stored interfaces in the ovs db .. I think this fixed this back a year ago
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701[02:41:54] <jml2> guampa, but the interfaces defined on boot-up stilll need to be configured for "up" state or having an ip address assigned
702[02:42:19] <jml2> guampa, that's the tricky part
703[02:42:57] <jml2> guampa, also not documented well, is you can have an "unassigned ip" address to the managed "br0" interface and have that set as "manual" with no ip address.. if all you want is VM<->VM communication without involving the host
704[02:43:05] <guampa> ovs may smooth things by removing all the old bridging, but I still will have to think around the circular dependence on the "first" KVM guest that hosts the (essential) DHCP+DDNS container
705[02:43:22] <guampa> it's mostly so it registers in DDNS
706[02:43:47] <jml2> guampa, btw the "iptables" or anything firewall (on the hypervisor) does not have any effect between OVS tuntaps on its bridge..
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708[02:44:04] <guampa> and also, every other container, potentially inside other KVM guests, should have broadcast access to the DHCP
709[02:44:08] <jml2> guampa, as opposode to brctl, it could.
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711[02:44:24] <jml2> guampa, this what makes the ovs bridge traffic very isolated
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713[02:44:40] <guampa> maybe I could set up two networks, one being a single broadcast space, very limited to only DHCP
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717[02:45:06] <jml2> ovs can co-exists with brctl interfaces on the same system -- but of course don't mix the two on the same system
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719[02:46:06] <jml2> guampa, let me guess you're using "eth0" for the host..
720[02:46:09] <jml2> guampa, :)
721[02:46:21] <jml2> guampa, you'll still get arp traffic sweeping directly onto the wire..
722[02:46:23] <guampa> the real host?
723[02:46:31] <jml2> guampa, for your bridge
724[02:46:36] <jml2> guampa, host<->vms
725[02:46:44] <guampa> no, at the real host the bridge includes just a TAP
726[02:46:50] <jml2> guampa, ok
727[02:47:08] <jml2> guampa, and you're using that as the main bridge device?
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729[02:47:21] <jml2> guampa, i suppose that might cause problems.. so that's why i mentioned the dummy interfaces
730[02:47:39] <jml2> guampa, it's been awhile since i used brctl..
731[02:47:41] <guampa> then all the KVM eths are in the bridge and (lel) again bridged to the LXC's eths
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733[02:48:04] <jml2> guampa, but if you're using that tuntap for the "host", you can't use it for a VM
734[02:48:11] <jml2> guampa, i suppose you know this
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736[02:48:29] <jml2> guampa, wait sorry
737[02:48:33] <jml2> guampa, i take that back
738[02:48:35] <guampa> no, the TAP is there only so the bridge has anything (other than the real ethernet) to work
739[02:48:38] <jml2> guampa, you should be able to ..
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741[02:48:44] <jml2> guampa, but I mean in "network" fashion..
742[02:49:22] <jml2> guampa, you'd have to somehow bind that interface to meetup with the VMs tuntaps
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744[02:49:51] <guampa> yeah, I bridge them into the same br0
745[02:50:03] <guampa> that's standard libvirt
746[02:50:19] <jml2> guampa, you can also do this->>> vethA-vethB (assign host IP address on vethA) ,, and then throw Macvtaps on top of vethB
747[02:50:22] <jml2> ^ :)
748[02:50:42] <jml2> guampa, this way you can have macvtaps talk to the physical host :)
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751[02:50:52] <guampa> that's another option I considered (and another option I don't quite fully understand)
752[02:51:01] <jml2> it's actually easy to setup
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754[02:51:15] <guampa> but isn't ovs better than that in terms of simplicity and perf?
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756[02:51:37] <jml2> the macvtaps cannot talk to anything of an ip-address set on vethB
757[02:51:47] <guampa> OTOH, I'm targeting stuff that integrates OOTB with libvirt/virt-manager
758[02:51:51] <jml2> (vethA-vethB) is one device... but is special
759[02:51:56] <jml2> it's called a veth-pair
760[02:52:18] <jml2> you can actually have ip addresses (2 different ones) on each end of a veth..
761[02:52:33] <guampa> one side of the veth pair is at the guest and the other at the host?
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764[02:52:45] <jml2> you just leave vethB without any ipaddress... but when you bring the "link up" on either end, both vethA and vethB come up at the same time
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766[02:53:11] <jml2> guampa, actually no.. doesn['t work like that.. because VM software can only use tap devices..
767[02:53:19] <jml2> guampa, macvtap is a type of tap device..
768[02:53:31] <jml2> guampa, macvtaps can be attached to vethB..
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770[02:54:12] <jml2> jml2, but in this setup.. you don't set any ip address on Vethb... just leave it as a link alone that goes up
771[02:54:46] <jml2> jml2, you can then throw- > tcpdump -i vethb -n
772[02:55:19] <guampa> however I think ovs is a better choice, it has more abilities such as cross host
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774[02:55:29] <jml2> jml2, ovs is industry supported
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778[02:56:11] <guampa> I would be better learning that in the first place I think
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781[02:56:59] <jml2> macvtaps are imho also industry supported -- redhat is behind it
782[02:58:02] <jml2> easiest setup is to use a dummy device then smack macvtaps in "mode bridge"
783[02:58:17] <jml2> if you later want to "route" traffic from say "dummy0" to eth0, that can be done as well
784[02:58:29] <jml2> (even then use NAT on the eth0 interface for the dummy0 network)
785[02:58:47] <guampa> just allow forwarding and voila
786[02:58:55] <jml2> (mode bridge for "macvtaps" means the macvtaps can talk directly with one another)
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789[02:59:22] <guampa> so each 1st level KVM would have its macvtap
790[02:59:31] <jml2> recall i mentioned "passthrough"
791[02:59:34] <guampa> and all of them would be bridged to the dummy at the host
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793[03:00:11] <jml2> the dummy interface is the underlying bridge device itself
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795[03:00:32] <jml2> it becomes a bridge when you add macvtaps on it... it's self-hosting bridge solution
796[03:00:40] <guampa> ah so it's like my TAP+bridge only better
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798[03:00:58] <jml2> yeah it's kinda efficient too because it's directly supported with the kernel
799[03:01:19] <jml2> i mean the linux kernel project keeps getting innovations with redhat's updates on it
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801[03:01:41] <jml2> (be sure you're not on kernel 3.2 --- something more above 3.16++)
802[03:01:55] <jml2> i have a remove system that uses this
803[03:01:55] <guampa> and in the KVMs <-> LXCs I would keep using plain old bridges?
804[03:02:00] <jml2> i can pull out some commands
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807[03:02:27] <guampa> I think LXC doesn't support all this new stuff
808[03:02:56] <jml2> eg, ip link add name vethA index 50 type veth peer name veth10nwb index 51 , the index numbers are also optional
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813[03:03:14] <jml2> (so it could be -> ip link add name vethA type veth peer name veth10nwb)
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815[03:03:37] <jml2> (ip link add name vethA type veth peer name vethB)
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819[03:04:11] <jml2> then add a macvtap -> ip link add link vethB name mymacvtap type macvtap mode bridge
820[03:04:30] <jml2> or if in private mode for the macvtap -> > ip link add link vethB name mymacvtap type macvtap mode private
821[03:04:37] <jml2> and that's all there is to it
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825[03:05:07] <jml2> from therte you can use "ip address" to set an ip address for vethA, and see if the ip link for vethB went up -> ip -d link show (-d would say the type of veth device you're viewing)
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828[03:05:44] <jml2> .. and another thing.. is you might need to set a "mac address" to match the exact mac address as inside the VM.. dunno if this was a bug back 2 years ago.. but it's what i kept in my settings
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830[03:06:07] <jml2> if the mac-address ever changes inside the VM (mac spoofing) the macvtap drive won't let traffic through on the hypervisor side
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832[03:06:34] <jml2> guampa, that'll catch you offguard..
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834[03:07:37] <jml2> also ensure the macvtaps are up on the host side --- optionally you can iirc even set an " ip address on the macvtap" on the host side.. so that if the "ip address" in the VM is different then no traffic would go through << dunno if i'm right on this one
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837[03:07:43] <guampa> with so much new stuff I expect to encounter a few gotchas yep
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840[03:08:11] <jml2> guampa, here this is not well documented because i dont use anything virtsh.. i use all bash+scripts..
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842[03:08:54] <guampa> yeah, that's one thing thal in principle will limit the scope. I like managing everything from the same window
843[03:09:01] <jml2> guampa, so if you want to use qemu things and expect /dev/tap<number> <<< you can't determine the index number unless you know you just created it... so this is why i use "index" number for the "ip" macvtap creation line
844[03:09:55] <jml2> guampa, -- not well documented here is ->> you use the FD (filedescriptor) on the qemu line...
845[03:09:59] <jml2> guampa, (macvtaps)
846[03:10:24] <guampa> are you working with virtualization jml2?
847[03:10:32] <jml2> guampa, there's many ways of isolating traffic.. but i think going bash+scripts is very tedius
848[03:10:44] <jml2> guampa, i work here for my own vms..
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851[03:11:09] <jml2> guampa, reason why i went this route is because the gui interfaces don't support optimized options
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854[03:11:19] <jml2> guampa, redhat was adding/fixing stuff up on their releases
855[03:11:31] <guampa> true enough, but it's getting better with the time
856[03:11:59] <guampa> virt-manager has improved since I been using it
857[03:12:03] <jml2> guampa, also ovs got better the last 2 years.. "port mirroring" was broken.. I use this for a NIDS vm
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859[03:12:50] <guampa> one of the first issues with ovs was performance, I guess it was a stopper for adoption
860[03:13:11] <guampa> then they kinda eliminated the problems
861[03:13:19] <jml2> guampa, you can't do "monitoring" with brctl ... this means lets say you want to "clone" traffic all to one tuntap... but have "zero" traffic ever able to come out of the tuntap -- this is what mirroring does on the hypervisor/ovs side.. The internal VM has snort listening on that interface.. Any "attack" even against snort can never leave the interface due to ovs/mirroring restriction
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863[03:14:03] <jml2> guampa, you can also "set" what interfaces on an ovs bridge you want cloned.. as well as direction -- but you can only have 1 mirror port per ovs bridge
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865[03:14:25] <jml2> guampa, as well as ipfix/netflow metering features of ovs..
866[03:14:45] <jml2> guampa, ovs directly can create metering flows to a particular port on an ovs bridge..
867[03:15:09] <jml2> guampa, now you see why i said brctl is obsolete :)
868[03:15:12] <jml2> tehehe
869[03:15:13] <guampa> hahaha
870[03:15:39] <guampa> it looks precambric compared to this
871[03:15:47] <jml2> these are are all just 1-line commands to initiate from the ovs/host side..
872[03:16:22] <jml2> however the mirroringport command is tricky that needs a look-up on the web for how to do.. it actually is 3 or 4 statements, but it can be summed into 1
873[03:16:45] <jml2> it has it's own "--" aggregator to make it 1 line.. but it is still a bit tricky
874[03:17:18] <jml2> i'm not even using it's most advanced features (control planes) -- but i am using these specific features on one host
875[03:17:52] <jml2> gtg... bb
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877[03:17:56] <guampa> well. I'm sold
878[03:17:57] * jml2 needs to catch somethin
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880[03:18:04] <guampa> what can I say :p
881[03:18:12] <guampa> thanks a lot man
882[03:18:20] <jml2> np :))
883[03:18:24] <jml2> good luck!
884[03:18:25] <guampa> amazing info and help
885[03:18:28] <jml2> yw
886[03:18:30] <jml2> :)
887[03:18:33] <guampa> you too, bye
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903[03:24:44] <Thraul> An update has broken samba. The server now wont start after upgrading packages...grrrr
904[03:24:53] <Thraul> *service
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911[03:26:32] <dvs> Samba works for me after a whole lot of wrestling.
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913[03:26:44] <Thraul> how did you get it to work?
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916[03:27:01] <dvs> Thraul, fixing through aptitude
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919[03:27:13] <dvs> "aptitude -f install"
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922[03:27:54] <Thraul> dpkg: error processing package samba (--configure): didn't work
923[03:27:54] <dpkg> thraul: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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928[03:29:21] <Thraul> replaced-url
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934[03:32:06] <dvs> Thraul, sorry, I don't use systemd.
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999[04:05:30] <un214> How do I get X out of 640x480
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1001[04:05:41] <un214> I'm on a console IRC right now as X is completely unusable
1002[04:05:46] <un214> so I can't follow links
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1004[04:06:25] <jmcnaught> un214: can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on replaced-url
1005[04:06:28] <jmcnaught> !pastebinit
1006[04:06:28] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
1007[04:06:50] <un214> I'm pretty sure I know what happened
1008[04:06:58] <un214> a dumb program switched X to 640x480 and crashed
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1011[04:07:08] <un214> and kde remembered the setting
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1013[04:08:45] <jmcnaught> un214: if you think that's it, go back into KDE and use the settings application to change the resolution again. I think KDE uses the common "Alt+Space" shortcut to get the window title menu that has a move window option which might help if a dialogue is too large to fit on the screen
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1015[04:09:05] <un214> pastebined as replaced-url
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1018[04:10:19] <markybob> un214 can we get you lspci -nn
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1020[04:11:00] <un214> no point -- jmcnaught had the right answer
1021[04:11:28] <jmcnaught> un214: back to normal then? your Xorg.0.log didn't really have any errors in it
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1023[04:11:44] <un214> yup I called it kde remembered the setting change by the dumb application
1024[04:13:00] <un214> quite to my surprise it was actually usable
1025[04:13:14] <un214> If I had the high-dpi monitor plugged in at the time it wouldn't have been
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1028[04:14:34] <jmcnaught> un214: i seem to recall kwin having some per-application settings for fullscreen applications that might be useful. i think my roommate uses them to get KSP to play nice with this desktop
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1041[04:19:56] <un214> I don't suppose there's a way to just tell it "don't save the desktop resolution"
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1044[04:23:06] <jmcnaught> un214: maybe? i stopped using KDE because there were too many options
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1062[04:25:26] <un214> Well I don't want to transition not because kde is good or bad but because the modern accessability themes are badly broken
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1064[04:25:32] <un214> and I can't figure out how to export mine
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1069[04:25:50] <un214> The place I got it from doesn't exist anymore
1070[04:25:54] <jmcnaught> un214: i'm not suggesting you migrate, i just am not that familiar with KDE anymore
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1082[04:26:17] <un214> *shrug*
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1109[04:38:20] <Akuw> i need to install ruby 1.9 in jessie, but sudo aptitude search show 1.8
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1114[04:41:03] <TomTomTosch> Akuw: which debian version?
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1116[04:41:10] <Akuw> jessie
1117[04:41:13] <jmcnaught> Akuw: what does "apt-cache policy ruby" say?
1118[04:41:27] <cynicallemon> Akuw, should be 2.1.5
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1120[04:43:03] <Akuw> Candidate: 1:2.1.5+deb8u1
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1122[04:44:20] <jmcnaught> Akuw: ruby is dependency package that on jessie depends on ruby2.1
1123[04:44:38] <Akuw> then
1124[04:45:24] <jmcnaught> Akuw: if you're having trouble, put the command and full output on replaced-url
1125[04:46:29] <TomTomTosch> whatever you want to run does not work with 2.1 ?
1126[04:47:25] <Akuw> look ---> A ruby1.8 - Interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby 1.8
1127[04:47:41] <Akuw> is currently installee
1128[04:47:45] <Akuw> installed
1129[04:47:57] <Akuw> i used aptitude search
1130[04:48:54] <TomTomTosch> ruby1.8 is not in jessie. did you get that from somewhere else?
1131[04:49:05] <jmcnaught> Akuw: then you'll need to show your sources.list and source.list.d/*.list
1132[04:50:00] <Akuw> wait
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1134[04:50:05] <jmcnaught> Akuw: and the output of "apt-cache policy ruby1.8" would be helpful, the complete output not just one line
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1141[04:52:31] <catbeard> replaced-url
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1144[04:55:21] <Akuw> replaced-url
1145[04:57:48] <dvs> Akuw, no output for "apt-cache policty ruby1.8"?
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1147[04:58:39] <markybob> Akuw: i'm not sure any of us really think you're using jessie. or debian.
1148[04:58:51] <Akuw> Installed: 1.8.7.358-7.1+deb7u2
1149[04:59:26] <Akuw> Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l
1150[04:59:38] <Akuw> i just made dist-upgrade
1151[04:59:41] <jmcnaught> Akuw: it looks like maybe you did a partial upgrade from wheezy to jessie. Did you follow the instructions in the Jessie release notes? Anyways good luck, you're kinda difficult to help when you don't provide all the information we ask for
1152[04:59:41] <markybob> those two things don't go toger
1153[05:00:14] <markybob> together*
1154[05:00:26] <Akuw> i did upgrade from wheezy to jessie
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1156[05:00:41] <markybob> aparently not properly
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1160[05:01:30] <jmcnaught> Akuw: it looks like the upgrade was not completed. The best thing to do is review the instructions in the release notes and see what you missed: replaced-url
1161[05:01:49] <Akuw> x86
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1392[05:52:39] <simonlnu> !listkeys switcheroo
1393[05:52:41] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'switcheroo' by key returned no results.
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1399[05:54:12] * simonlnu is trying to have dual head with hdmi output
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1403[05:55:04] <simonlnu> even configured xorg instead of leaving the auto-config (which works wonderfully) do it
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1410[05:56:49] <stian_> hi, anyone here that could tell me how to "free" my wlan card from the tight grip of the system?
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1412[05:57:43] <TomTomTosch> stian_: if you tell us what that means, maybe.
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1416[05:58:50] <jmcnaught> simonlnu: do you have two video cards?
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1430[06:06:18] <stian_> TomTomTosch: I have no idea myself, all comandline comands I type tell me wlan0 is bussy. the wireless manager in kde is not letting go of it and the buildup of this new kde is too windowslike to find out how its connected.
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1503[06:47:28] <stian_> been fighting for an hour to kill the "networkmanager" in debian 8 on kde desktop. The plasmoid show it is named networkmanager, but I can not find any such process running
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1816[08:25:27] <MisterGadfly> I've tried some solutions I found on google, but only the one in which I had to delete/rename the executables worked
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1872[08:53:48] <Lope> kerframil on #linux claims that this command doesn't start a new screen and type 'ls (enter)', under any circumstances. But it works for me. Can someone else confirm please?
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1875[08:53:56] <Lope> screen -mdS test && screen -S test -X stuff 'ls^M'
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1908[08:59:15] <TomTomTosch> what is stuff supposed to do?
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1922[09:01:17] <Lope> creates a new detached screen called test then types ls enter inside it.
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1926[09:02:35] <TomTomTosch> no, the word stuff.
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1999[09:11:36] <TomTomTosch> Lope: i mean, it does create a detached screen session.
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2002[09:14:12] <Lope> Okay I can confirm basically on screen 4.00 that command doesn't work, but on 4.01 and newer, it works.
2003[09:14:24] <Lope> (pre wheezy)
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2197[10:25:45] <zigurat> replaced-url
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2211[10:33:16] <jml2> zigurat, a look?
2212[10:33:20] <jml2> zigurat, for what?
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2214[10:33:57] <zigurat> For why it might be down
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2216[10:34:54] <RoyK^Heime> looks like it's reinstalled or something
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2232[10:38:41] <jml2> zigurat, you can google "manpage of <>" and it'll display the correct page most of the time
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2234[10:39:04] <zigurat> No. I tried that and ended in a lot of trouble once
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2237[10:39:16] <zigurat> I prefer the official release man page
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2242[10:40:33] <jml2> zigurat, you can install man2html and run it locally from localhost
2243[10:40:42] <jml2> zigurat, most linux manpages are unchanged
2244[10:40:54] <zigurat> Ok thanks for the help
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2268[10:45:19] <jml2> most manpages come with their debian packages -- though some of them like "pulseaudio" are missing ...
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2271[10:45:39] <jml2> dunno why debian has them out, I think I filed on this to the pulseaudio maintainers
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2273[10:45:45] <jml2> zigurat, also..
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2277[10:46:28] <jml2> zigurat, if you happen to know, the "mandb" is scheduled after a certain time -- if you just installed a package, the manpage cache is not updated right away -- to speedy this up a little, you can type "mandb" as root, and the new manpages will then be available right away
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2285[10:47:18] <hever> Interesting problem: Can I have some kind of special listener which listens on /paht/to/listener and allows to open dynamically files like /path/to/listener/DOMAIN1 /path/to/listener/DOMAIN2 and so on? After all if I'm opening as file /path/to/listener/DOMAIN1 and write stuff to it, this should be redirected to syslog or I want to do something on my own in a script... I'm not sure if this is possible under linux perhaps with file based sockets ???
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2364[11:29:07] <b0s3d> when i go to a site it shows me a warning, and i can't connect to vpn because of ssl problems, what is this?
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2538[12:17:24] <cHawk> I am getting a dell precision laptop/workstation. It comes with hybrid graphics and I can choose between AMD Fire Pro or Nvidia Optimus. Hardware performance aside, which one should I get to have less headache?
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2540[12:17:50] <cHawk> Sorry, Nvidia Quattro is the correct name of the Graphics Card
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2566[12:29:27] <ksx4system> cHawk: I would pick AMD and not the Quadro
2567[12:29:38] <cHawk> ksx4system, why?
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2570[12:30:11] <ksx4system> because there's some chance it'll work on open source drivers
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2572[12:30:42] <ksx4system> (but I'm not sure if hybrid graphics support open source drivers)
2573[12:30:54] <cHawk> ksx4system, even it being a second card and only used for specific programs linke nvidia-bumblebee?
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2579[12:31:37] <ksx4system> cHawk: I don't know :(
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2583[12:32:08] <ksx4system> anyway, for single or dual (but not hybrid, just two graphics units at once) I always pick AMD
2584[12:32:12] <H4ndy> Does anyone has a *nice* explaination of the new systemd startup files, how they are constructed and what to check?
2585[12:32:23] <H4ndy> I only find those highly technical documents
2586[12:32:38] <H4ndy> or "copy this and be good" things
2587[12:33:02] <ksx4system> H4ndy: ...and you've probably found that it's completely broken :) it might be easier (and it'll surely be better) to migrate back to sysvinit
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2589[12:33:58] <H4ndy> not really, I kinda like systemd, the old init.d scripts are not the holy grail either
2590[12:34:26] <H4ndy> problem about getting some good info on it is that those two system are so horribly biased by their users :(
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2596[12:35:09] <cHawk> H4ndy, systemd is trying to do everything and that's b asically not what linux is all about. Linux is about every tool doing one job best
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2600[12:35:25] <ksx4system> H4ndy: it is biased because some people (users of sysvinit or anything sane) just don't want malware on their systems and some people just don't care
2601[12:35:30] <cHawk> H4ndy, that principle splits systemd people from the rest
2602[12:35:37] <cHawk> hahaha :D
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2605[12:36:07] <ksx4system> H4ndy: replaced-url
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2673[13:14:16] <Slimmy> hello. I am using openshot but whenever I save a project the .osp icon is huge, a lot bigger than the rest of the icons in a folder. How can I shrink it?
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2695[13:30:21] <Nitori> what does "DI" and "alpha5" in "debian-stretch-DI-alpha5-amd64-netinst.iso" stand for?
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2698[13:31:03] <Nitori> oh, alpha5 is just some sort of version?
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2702[13:31:37] <jkt> hi there; I'm using an arm chroot on an amd64 jessie for installing various packages while preparing an image for beaglebone black. I've noticed that some packages really want to perform various actions, for example php5-fpm
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2707[13:31:56] <jkt> "Restarting PHP5 FastCGI Process Manager: php5-fpm/sbin/start-stop-daemon: nothing in /proc - not mounted?"
2708[13:32:20] <jkt> is there a systemwide override for this? "please install that package, but don't attempt to start it"
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2713[13:34:10] <jelly> dpkg, tell jkt about policy-rc.d
2714[13:34:56] <jkt> jelly: thanks; I'm coming from RHEL which is apparently different in this context; thanks for a helpful link!
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2814[14:19:27] <shann__> hi
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2833[14:27:39] <cauliflooower> Hi
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2836[14:28:01] <cauliflooower> What's good about Debian Sid besides you get the latest packages?
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2852[14:29:37] <altyr> you can help bugtesting
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2893[14:34:03] <cauliflooower> altyr, Other than that?
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2895[14:34:17] <cauliflooower> altyr, I've only used Sid for a while.
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2897[14:34:30] <cauliflooower> Well it was for the purpose of testing out Freedombox
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2902[14:34:50] <cauliflooower> But that only lasted like half a day. Got frustrated lol.
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2904[14:35:05] <cauliflooower> But I noticed like all of what I was using was latest
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2906[14:35:35] <cauliflooower> Does Debian Sid contain proprietary parts or software by default?
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2908[14:35:47] <cauliflooower> Does Sid crash too?
2909[14:35:48] <cauliflooower> Like a lot?
2910[14:35:52] <petn-randall> cauliflooower: Only if you enable it, it's the same as stable.
2911[14:36:01] <cauliflooower> AH
2912[14:36:03] <shann__> Hi, my source package containt hyphen (1.3.2-81), what is best convention for package naming with this ?
2913[14:36:15] <cauliflooower> petan, Would you say it's perfect for home users?
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2916[14:36:29] <cauliflooower> Damn I was using stable for a long time, not knowing that stable is perfect for servers lol.
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2920[14:36:47] <cauliflooower> So that's why I left stable and went to other distros haha
2921[14:36:52] <altyr> cauliflooower: if you want the new packages without using sid just use testing
2922[14:37:04] <petn-randall> cauliflooower: Everything in sid is pretty much has only been tested very little, so you get all the bugs to report.
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2926[14:37:12] <cauliflooower> petan, Ah
2927[14:37:17] <cauliflooower> Ah
2928[14:37:18] <petn-randall> cauliflooower: petn<tab>
2929[14:37:22] <cauliflooower> Hehe
2930[14:37:25] <teraflops> Heh
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2932[14:37:46] <cauliflooower> With testing, you get not really the latest packages but it's been tested?
2933[14:37:55] <cauliflooower> Also, testing is the next stable right?
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2938[14:38:45] <petn-randall> cauliflooower: Testing will become the next stable. It roughly lags 5 days behind sid at the moment.
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2941[14:38:52] <cauliflooower> Ah
2942[14:38:59] <cauliflooower> Not too bad.
2943[14:39:19] <petn-randall> cauliflooower: At some point there will be a freeze, where no new packages are introduced from sid. Then after several months all the bugs are kinked out and it becomes stable.
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2945[14:40:02] <cauliflooower> Ah
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2950[14:40:32] <cauliflooower> Got it
2951[14:40:35] <cauliflooower> Thanks for that info!
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2954[14:41:49] <dewp> hey guys. i installed stretch on my old dell e6500 and try to install network. the device fka eth0 enp0s25 is in ifconfig. do i have to set it up in /network/interfaces or do i have to use eth0 here?
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2959[14:44:00] <teraflops> Enp0s25 obviously
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2961[14:44:25] <petn-randall> dewp: support for testing is in #debian-next on OFTC.
2962[14:44:27] <dewp> ok. then my mistake is somewhere else because neither is doing what i want :)
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2972[14:47:21] <teraflops> dewp: wait. I misread you say you have eth0 and enp0s25? Also fka is a typo?
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2977[14:48:14] <dewp> no :) i only have enp0s25. it was formerly known as (=fka) eth0
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2979[14:48:28] <dewp> on my device at least
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2982[14:48:55] <kolibri> Hello. I'm using a preseed.cfg file for an unattended debian 8.4 installation (with packer). Sometimes (it feels like the half of the builds), the installation process fails at the step "select and install software". And I got no idea, why. This is my preseed.cfg file: replaced-url
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2984[14:49:04] <dewp> but now i just recognized it's missing dns - ping to the router works
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2986[14:49:49] <dewp> i'll get this when reading the manual i think
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2988[14:50:08] <teraflops> dewp: if you can ping e.g 8.8.8.8 look at /etc/resolv.conf
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2991[14:50:40] <dewp> ah. there we go. it's empty :)
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2993[14:50:42] <dewp> thanks!
2994[14:50:48] <teraflops> Np
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3036[15:06:32] <dewp> you guys are working too hard. stretch works flawlessly :-)
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3084[15:27:22] <Grant_P> How do i make systemd run a service as root?
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3088[15:28:17] <placko> I want to learn to program android application. Are there development tools in debian to compile android app?
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3094[15:32:47] <abrotman> placko: Not in Debian I don't think, other than IDEs
3095[15:32:59] <abrotman> placko: such as Android Studio or whatever it's called isn't in Debian that I recall
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3107[15:39:54] <devster31> hi, any way to read dhcp information my router is sending out?
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3109[15:41:38] <rozie> devster31: what information do you look for?
3110[15:41:47] <rozie> in general: any sniffer will be OK
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3119[15:43:16] <kolibri_> Heyylo. I got more information on my failing unattended install of debian 8.4: Ist fails at the "cleanup" step of "select and install software". Log says,: "failed to fetch replaced-url
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3127[15:45:30] <rozie> kolibri_: it may be failing repository you are redirected to
3128[15:45:55] <rozie> try to use manually selected mirror, not httpredir
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3134[15:48:33] <kolibri_> Thanks rozie. I'll try this. (To be sure, I do this with the `d-i mirror/http/hostname` statement in the preseed.cfg?)
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3144[15:52:25] <devster31> rozie: I'm not an expert in this thing and I want to understand it better, in particular I want to know which DNS servers are sent in the dhcp packet and if the client broadcasts its hostname
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3175[16:02:53] <r0ck_> on debian standard install GNOME classic = gnome2 or gnome 3?
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3180[16:03:31] <babilen> r0ck_: Gnome 2 has been deprecated for quite a while and is not available in current distributions
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3186[16:04:39] <r0ck_> babilen: so when I login choosing gnome classic its just same gnome3, but different look?
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3192[16:06:30] <babilen> yea
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3194[16:06:57] <r0ck_> okay
3195[16:07:00] <r0ck_> thanks!
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3197[16:07:07] <r0ck_> is there a way to add programs to upper panel?
3198[16:07:12] <r0ck_> shortcuts I mean?
3199[16:07:18] <r0ck_> on gnome classic or gnome3?
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3255[16:27:54] <rmrfchik> hi, suddenly can't mount usb disk with "You are not physically logged in and your system administrator does not allow remote users to run pmount, aborting".
3256[16:28:00] <rmrfchik> and yes, I'm logged
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3263[16:29:51] <rozie> devster31: dump to file with tshark/tcpdump, use wireshark to view
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3266[16:31:33] <wewlad> hello debs, I can't login to my DE after upgrading 8.3>8.4 (plus maybe I did some other changes that might have broken, but as far as I know I did undo those changes but the problem persists), please help a newb
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3268[16:31:45] <devster31> ok, but I need to renew leases and listen during that timeframe right? also does wireshark work as a cli utility? rozie
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3276[16:35:25] <dagerik> why am I unable to install aspell-no
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3279[16:38:45] <jelly> dpkg, tell dagerik about basic apt troubleshooting
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3286[16:40:48] <wewlad> hello debs, I can't login to my DE after upgrading 8.3>8.4 (plus maybe I did some other changes that might have broken, but as far as I know I did undo those changes but the problem persists), please help a newb
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3291[16:42:26] <martaroza> Hi, i buy this device replaced-url
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3301[16:44:40] <TomTomTosch> wewlad: posting /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be helpful. also, which graphics driver do you use?
3302[16:44:41] <dagerik> sudo apt-get install aspell-no
3303[16:44:41] <dagerik> Package aspell-no is not available, but is referred to by another package.
3304[16:44:52] <dagerik> im on testing
3305[16:46:01] <martaroza> Hi, anyone?
3306[16:46:19] <martaroza> i buy this device replaced-url
3307[16:46:23] <ksk> hello martaroza, dont ask to ask, kust ask your question :)
3308[16:46:39] <martaroza> my question is: i buy this device replaced-url
3309[16:46:44] <themill> dagerik: the package is not in testing at the moment
3310[16:46:57] <wewlad> TomTomTosch: that's a VM in virtualbox, so I'm not sure about the graphics, as for Xorg.0.log: replaced-url
3311[16:47:00] <jelly> martaroza: do you see an usb audio device in "aplay -l" output?
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3319[16:49:20] <martaroza> replaced-url
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3323[16:50:30] <martaroza> probably not see
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3329[16:51:54] <wewlad> martaroza: once on this channel I was advised not to you pastebin.com, but to use paste.debian.net or alike, because they don't inject crap and don't limit access to users
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3332[16:52:57] <stantona> I'm curious, what does the bpo70+1 mean in: #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4~bpo70+1 (2016-03-07)?
3333[16:53:07] <stantona> I'm assuming it's related to backports, but what exactly does it mean?
3334[16:53:39] <martaroza> wewlad: replaced-url
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3341[16:55:53] <ksk> stantona: that this kernel comes from backports, the rest ist just version scheme definde $somewhere
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3344[16:56:32] <ksk> IIRC "debian only" changes, like changes that dont "come from upstream" will get a +$(something) version
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3351[16:57:29] <ksk> does not look too official, but best docs I found right now: replaced-url
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3356[16:58:55] <abrotman> dpkg: compare versions
3357[16:58:55] <dpkg> The canonical way to test whether one version string is considered greater than another is by testing an assertion such as «dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true». See also replaced-url
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3359[16:59:27] <ksk> martaroza: replaced-url
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3369[17:04:17] <jelly> martaroza: third audio card looks like an usb audio device.
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3371[17:04:29] <wewlad> martaroza: why do you 'sudo su'? why not just 'su'?
3372[17:05:05] <jelly> martaroza: at this point you need to configure your recording application to choose the correct audio card and the correct input source (microphone on that specific card)
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3377[17:06:38] <wewlad> hello debs, I can't login to my DE after upgrading 8.3>8.4 (plus maybe I did some other changes that might have broken, but as far as I know I did undo those changes but the problem persists), please help a newb. Xorg.0.log: replaced-url
3378[17:06:48] <wewlad> jelly, please, help
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3382[17:07:58] <jelly> sorry, no time Toulouse right now
3383[17:08:15] <wewlad> :'-(
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3387[17:09:03] <bshacklett> Is there any way to get more verbose output on what's happening when a package is being removed? I'm trying to purge a package and it just hangs until I kill the dpkg process.
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3538[17:18:29] <wewlad> hello debs, I can't login to my DE using my user after upgrading 8.3>8.4 (plus maybe I did some other changes that might have broken, but as far as I know I did undo those changes but the problem persists), please help a newb. Xorg.0.log: replaced-url
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3937[17:35:54] <cluelessperson> Question, how do you access the system wide crontab?
3938[17:36:04] <cluelessperson> sudo crontab -e doesn't do it.
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3941[17:36:12] <greycat> /etc/crontab exists, and root *also* has a personal crontab
3942[17:36:29] <cluelessperson> greycat, that's confusing.
3943[17:36:36] <greycat> I didn't choose it.
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3947[17:36:46] <cluelessperson> greycat, Thanks :)
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3950[17:36:54] <wewlad> should there be a ~/.bashrc file?
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3952[17:37:07] <wewlad> seems like it doesn't get recreated after I removed it
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3955[17:37:14] <greycat> Generally, yes. It's created if you use "adduser", from the template in /etc/skel/.
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3960[17:37:27] <greycat> Um, if you removed it, then no, it wouldn't be re-created.
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3980[17:40:37] <wewlad> thanks, did so but that didn't solve the problem
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3982[17:40:50] <greycat> What problem? Did what?
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3989[17:41:46] <wewlad> hello debs, I can't login to my DE using my user after upgrading 8.3>8.4 (plus maybe I did some other changes that might have broken, but as far as I know I did undo those changes but the problem persists), please help a newb. Xorg.0.log: replaced-url
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3992[17:42:01] <wewlad> just some more info: I got into that trouble after doing 3 things: 1. I tried to add ssh-agent to autorun [failed to do that because someone advised to use .systemd for that and I just failed to make it work] 2. I tuned .bashrc, but since I wanted to tune it once for all users - I might have removed local copy of .bashrc, 3. I did apt-get upgrade
3993[17:42:48] <greycat> Well, for starters, .bashrc has absolutely nothing to do with KDE startup.
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3996[17:43:01] <wewlad> seems so
3997[17:43:04] <greycat> Logging in via kdm into a KDE session doesn't read or even check for the existence of .bashrc.
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3999[17:43:29] <wewlad> still was worth checking, since I don't have any other ideas
4000[17:43:30] <greycat> Or any other shell startup file (/etc/profile, .bash_profile, and so on).
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4005[17:44:10] <greycat> If you wanted the equivalent of "get my old config out of the way" you'd need to look for something like ~/.kde (I don't know the exact names)
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4009[17:44:28] <greycat> You can also test with a brand new account, freshly created for testing.
4010[17:44:31] <wewlad> that's not the issue I'd like to solve now
4011[17:44:41] <wewlad> for now I'd like to make logging into kde work
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4021[17:48:17] <wewlad> greycat: logging via new user worked
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4023[17:48:25] <wewlad> as well as it works using root user
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4027[17:48:52] <greycat> Then that does point toward something screwy in your KDE config.
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4030[17:49:20] <greycat> I don't know where that is stored, exactly. Could be a file or dir beginning with .k or it could be in ~/.config/ or ...
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4038[17:51:06] <ChrisWi> seeing this in my syslog 'iscsi_trgt: scsi_cmnd_start(949) 39000060 0' ... any idea if this is bad ?
4039[17:51:06] <wewlad> stupid terminal in debian - I can't scroll it up :/
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4047[17:53:39] <wewlad> (process:2788): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work properly.
4048[17:53:42] <wewlad> what does it mean?
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4053[17:55:39] <greycat> If you get that for ALL users, it probably means you need to reboot into the correct kernel... if it's just you, it means time to start ls -l'ing or something and find out what's wrong.
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4074[18:02:36] <jhutchins_wk> ChrisWi: That could just be informational. I like to have smartmontools installed and enabled, it gives you good warnings if there are disk problems.
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4076[18:03:16] <jhutchins_wk> wewlad: It probably means you've done something as root in your GUI.
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4078[18:03:38] <jhutchins_wk> wewlad: The permissions on parts of your account are messed up.
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4080[18:03:49] <jhutchins_wk> s/permissions/ownership/
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4082[18:04:20] <wewlad> okay, so I did this: replaced-url
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4084[18:04:41] <wewlad> why did I get those errors?
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4086[18:04:46] <RoyK> dangling symlinks
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4088[18:04:53] <wewlad> >:[
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4090[18:05:09] <RoyK> nothing to worry about - just remove them
4091[18:05:26] <ChrisWi> jhutchins_wk: these messages came up (on my old squeeze box) while adding wheezy iscsi targets ... after removing them the messages are gone ... BTW smartmon is installed and everything is fine with disks
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4098[18:08:36] <wewlad> so I removed those symlinks, everything in /home/uzer is owned by that user now, but I still can't log in to kde
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4103[18:09:32] <wewlad> greycat: where else do I need to check ownership/mod?
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4106[18:10:40] <greycat> I don't know this dconf and KDE stuff. If you can't figure it out by poking around in /run then maybe consider rebooting. /run is a volatile thing.
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4150[18:15:28] <jhutchins_wk> ChrisWi: Ah, I missed the i in iscsi.
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4154[18:16:09] <jhutchins_wk> ChrisWi: Pretty sure that message is informational. Is the mount working?
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4157[18:17:21] <NotJimCa1rey> in Makefile, what's the difference between $(prefix) and ${prefix} ?
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4160[18:17:37] <NotJimCa1rey> if any
4161[18:17:38] <greycat> $(prefix) is expanded by make, and ${prefix} is passed along to a shell
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4163[18:17:46] <greycat> I think.
4164[18:17:52] <greycat> Ask ##workingset to be sure.
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4173[18:19:24] <zz> Hi, whats the best way to update kernel?
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4176[18:19:52] <greycat> Why do you believe you need to update your kernel?
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4179[18:20:30] <zz> I would like to install docker, but I need kernal 3.10 minimum
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4181[18:20:46] <greycat> Jessie has higher than that. Make sure you are on the latest release of Debian (jessie, Debian 8).
4182[18:20:55] <NotJimCa1rey> easiest way? apt-get dist-upgrade
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4184[18:21:18] <greycat> There's a bit more to it than that.
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4186[18:22:14] <zz> I have debian 8
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4188[18:22:21] <greycat> zz: what does uname -a say?
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4190[18:22:41] <zz> Linux carbon 2.6.32-042stab104.1 #1 SMP Thu Jan 29 12:58:41 MSK 2015 x86_64 GNU/
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4192[18:22:50] <greycat> Oh, you're in an OpenVZ VPS container.
4193[18:22:50] <NotJimCa1rey> greycat: making some modifications, and was told to change $(prefix)/var , but in the original, it's shown using {}
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4197[18:22:58] <NotJimCa1rey> but did ask in ##workingset
4198[18:23:01] <greycat> You can't update your kernel because it's out of your control entirely.
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4200[18:23:04] <NotJimCa1rey> waiting for response
4201[18:23:05] <NotJimCa1rey> thanks
4202[18:23:09] <zz> oh, is it
4203[18:23:10] <zz> damn
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4205[18:23:36] <greycat> I also seriously doubt you can run a container thingy inside an OpenVZ container, but hey, what do I know about this stuff... nothing.
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4210[18:24:26] <Dexxtver> hello
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4213[18:24:39] <Dexxtver> so i have a vps
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4219[18:25:20] <Dexxtver> and i would like to encrypt whole hdd and make a trigger that will shutdown the machine if provider of that vps will make any kind of thing locally (physically) with vm
4220[18:25:24] <Dexxtver> is it possible?
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4231[18:27:39] <wewlad> no
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4235[18:28:22] <Dexxtver> so there is a way to not trigger even a keyboard or mouse movement and automatically shutdown the vm?
4236[18:28:36] <wewlad> maximum you can do is use zfs
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4238[18:28:47] <Dexxtver> zfs? what would it give me?
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4240[18:29:00] <wewlad> encryption of your file system
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4242[18:29:03] <Dexxtver> i need to prevent anyone to view plain text files on that machine
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4246[18:29:22] <Dexxtver> i can encrypt whole hdd with debian tools on ext4
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4248[18:29:30] <wewlad> ok
4249[18:29:40] <Dexxtver> dm crypt or luks
4250[18:29:45] <wewlad> sorry, I'm a newb, wait until someone else replies
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4255[18:30:00] <Dexxtver> 'but i need that trigger thing to shutdown the system to ensure that admin won't get to it
4256[18:30:17] <Dexxtver> after the shutdown i will reinstall everything
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4270[18:33:27] <ChrisWi> jhutchins_wk: yes ... the mount is working ... so you don't think these message are cause by problems ... background: I want to migrate all storage which is currently on squeeze to wheezy ...
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4272[18:33:36] <ijafin3> CHEAP DOMAINS CHEAP SERVERS DDOS PROTECTION replaced-url
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4276[18:33:41] <ijafin3> CHEAP DOMAINS CHEAP SERVERS DDOS PROTECTION replaced-url
4277[18:33:47] <ijafin3> CHEAP DOMAINS CHEAP SERVERS DDOS PROTECTION replaced-url
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4281[18:34:29] <wewlad> ijafin3: awesome
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4289[18:35:48] <ijafin3> CHEAP DOMAINS CHEAP SERVERS DDOS PROTECTION replaced-url
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4329[18:45:58] <chele> Hi guys,why would be the reason about this: replaced-url
4330[18:46:20] <chele> im trying to create dvd to iso
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4337[18:47:55] <thurstylark> chele: can you mount that to a different dir? /mnt or something you create?
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4343[18:48:38] <chele> thurstylark: no
4344[18:48:51] <chele> same answer as in the paste
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4347[18:49:32] <b0s3d> hi, how do i add an entering ip and a exiting ip, ssh > ISP ip > VPN ip
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4349[18:49:46] <b0s3d> can you call it a backdoor for hippies?
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4353[18:50:43] <gnoman> Hey guys, is Neep bitmap font in the debian repositories?
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4362[18:52:34] <bumbar> my virtualbox with debian as guest crashed, and now weird stuff is happening; when i try to open a file in python or run apt-get update i get "read only file system" error, and i can't change terminal size or preferences
4363[18:52:43] <bumbar> is there a way to fix this without reinstalling?
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4369[18:53:57] <gnoman> bumbar: Did you check your fstab?
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4372[18:54:35] <gnoman> bumbar: Debian netinst has a rescue mode; you could chroot into your system and try...
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4376[18:56:37] <bumbar> gnoman, fstab looks ok from what i can tell
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4378[18:57:27] <greycat> Without knowing any details, "read-only after a crash" often means some file system needs an fsck.
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4380[18:58:04] <gnoman> greycat: Doesn't systemd do fsck on boot?
4381[18:58:16] <greycat> One would expect so, but....
4382[18:59:00] <gnoman> It does on my netbook with 8.4, but it's btrfs and not ext2/3/4...
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4386[18:59:22] <greycat> If one of your file systems is mounted RO, fsck it.
4387[18:59:31] <greycat> Then probably reboot just for good measure.
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4391[19:00:23] <wewlad> what's this? replaced-url
4392[19:00:56] <gnoman> bumbar: netinst rescue mode helped me many times in such situation... You might try it out...
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4419[19:08:25] <wewlad> who and when usually creates a home dir for a new user?
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4424[19:08:45] <wewlad> I just did useradd newuser and it didn't create a home dir for that user
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4428[19:09:02] <abrotman> pelase use adduser like a sane person
4429[19:09:05] <greycat> I bet you mis-remember, and you accidentally did useradd instead.
4430[19:09:05] <abrotman> please also
4431[19:09:26] <greycat> Oh. He did type useradd in the question. Sorry.
4432[19:09:52] <greycat> 11:37 greycat> Generally, yes. It's created if you use "adduser", from the template in /etc/skel/.
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4438[19:10:02] <greycat> That was to wewlad, wasn't it?
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4442[19:10:39] <abrotman> yes
4443[19:10:53] <gnoman> useradd -d HOME_DIR
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4445[19:11:07] <greycat> adduser
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4447[19:11:19] <abrotman> just use adduser like a sane person!
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4450[19:11:45] <bumbar> greycat, i'm trying that now. it's asking me for root file system but i'm not sure where i installed it
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4453[19:12:19] <greycat> ...?
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4455[19:12:32] <greycat> Use "mount" to see what is mounted, and which of those are read-only and shouldn't be.
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4463[19:14:15] <gnoman> Add an lsblk to that to get device node
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4466[19:15:26] <greycat> mount shows the device. "/dev/sda2 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)"
4467[19:15:49] <gnoman> OK...
4468[19:15:52] <greycat> you might even want something like mount | grep ^/dev to filter out the non-devices
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4470[19:16:13] <grawity> findmnt!
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4472[19:16:24] <grawity> greycat: I guess the comment might have been about systems where it shows "/dev/root on /"
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4493[19:19:10] <bumbar_> says /dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
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4498[19:19:49] <greycat> I don't understand why it doesn't have errors=remount-ro, but other than that, that looks reasonable
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4505[19:20:19] <greycat> The (rw at the front means it's currently mounted read-write.
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4743[19:28:24] <ebinebin> Also! Anyone have ANY LUCK getting Validity Sensors fingerprint scanner working with Linux?
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4746[19:28:41] <ebinebin> Anyone have ANY LUCK getting Validity Sensors fingerprint scanner working with Linux?
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4751[19:28:53] <wewlad> how to run some gui file manager (like dolphin) with root privileges and how to make file operations in it not modify mod/owner?
4752[19:29:06] <ebinebin> wewlad, one or the other.
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4754[19:29:14] <ebinebin> wewlad, launch it with Sudo
4755[19:29:23] <ebinebin> or be the root user when you do
4756[19:29:36] <RoyK> (or just use the commandline)
4757[19:29:40] <wewlad> :(
4758[19:29:43] <wewlad> ok, thx
4759[19:29:44] <ebinebin> grawity, Any luck with fingerprint sensors in linux?
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4761[19:30:05] <ebinebin> Bus 003 Device 003: ID 138a:003c Validity Sensors, Inc. VFS471 Fingerprint Reader
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4765[19:30:33] <grawity> I don't have any of those on my laptops
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4770[19:31:12] <ebinebin> boo :(
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4773[19:31:21] <ebinebin> grawity, also why don't you want me swearing at your bot :p
4774[19:31:28] <ebinebin> ALSO! How did you get a cluenet shell?!
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4776[19:31:47] <ebinebin> I thought only people employed by the wikimedia foundation got those
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4780[19:31:58] <grawity> no, it's not a wikimedia project
4781[19:32:05] <ebinebin> oh
4782[19:32:13] <grawity> unlike the (now-defunct) Toolserver
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4784[19:32:17] <ebinebin> grawity, but no swearing at bots? :(
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4806[19:34:30] <ebinebin> There is a driver but for OpenSuse
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4838[19:38:19] <ebinebin> So
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4843[19:39:02] <wewlad> how to copy files properly in the following case? I need to ignore all links (symlinks, hardlinks, whateverlinks) and I need to preserve maximum attributes (timestamps, permissions and owner). I tried to 'man cp' and got confused, I tried to google 'man cp' and got some childporn
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4846[19:39:25] <ebinebin> wewlad, you might want to purge your machine now.
4847[19:39:27] <greycat> wewlad: you should be starting with rsync, not cp
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4852[19:39:44] <greycat> Why would you google "man cp" instead of just typing "man cp"?
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4855[19:39:56] <greycat> (or, as I suggested, "man rsync")
4856[19:39:59] <ericandrewlewis> If I'm dual booting osx and debian, is GRUB required to bootload debian?
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4858[19:40:13] <wewlad> greycat: <…I tried to 'man cp' and got confused,…>
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4871[19:40:48] <ebinebin> ericandrewlewis, yes
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4873[19:41:02] <ebinebin> As it turns out my sensor might be able to be fudged into working with Linux
4874[19:41:05] <ebinebin> a lot of fudging
4875[19:41:06] <greycat> Completely ignoring all symlinks is a strange thing to want to do, but ... meh. Ask #rsync if you can't find an option for it in the man page.
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4882[19:42:04] <wewlad> oh cheezuschrist, rsync's man is even more confusing
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4888[19:42:29] <grawity> what do you mean by "ignore all links" by the way
4889[19:42:37] <grawity> do you want them to not appear on the destination *at all*
4890[19:42:46] <grawity> or do you want rsync to create identical symlinks on the destination
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4892[19:42:52] <wewlad> not create at all
4893[19:42:53] <grawity> or do you want rsync to copy them as plain files?
4894[19:42:55] <ericandrewlewis> does GRUB work well as a boot manager for osx?
4895[19:42:57] <greycat> If no existing tool has an option to skip all symlinks, you can probably duct tape something together with find . ! -type l ...
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4898[19:43:22] <wewlad> I wish there were no links, since there's no visual representation of what file is a link and what is not
4899[19:43:30] <greycat> What are you TALKING ABOUT?
4900[19:43:34] <somiaj> ericandrewlewis: it can, but with efi you don't really need a boot manager.
4901[19:43:40] <bazhang> wewlad, here too?
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4903[19:43:43] <grawity> there *is* a very distinct represenation of symlinks...
4904[19:43:44] <greycat> Why do you not want to simply DUPLICATE the entire hierarchy as is?
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4906[19:43:52] <grawity> and a less-noticeable one of hardlinks
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4910[19:44:00] <greycat> Hell, fuck it. rsync -a, and then remove all symlinks with a find command. DONE!
4911[19:44:02] <ericandrewlewis> somiaj: why wouldn't I need a boot manager?
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4915[19:44:13] <wewlad> greycat: because that reproduces the problem
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4918[19:44:18] <greycat> What problem?
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4920[19:44:36] <wewlad> the one I initially came here with and on which you said 'I don't have time to waste now'
4921[19:44:37] <somiaj> ericandrewlewis: efi can boot different oses directly. So you just need the .efi file for each os you want to boot and not need an additional boot manager (at least with the efi impleminations I'm use to using)
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