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0 [00:00:36] <oxae> on the client do as rattking suggests to connect: ssh -i somedir/id_rsa
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8 [00:01:26] <b0s3d> but id_rsa is all i need or?
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10 [00:02:05] <b0s3d> bbl guys, with result :)
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13 [00:03:41] <SerajewelKS> is there any circumstance under which it makes sense that "host example.com" would return a different result than "dig example.com"?
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17 [00:04:09] <SerajewelKS> i have a case where host is working, but the same domain lookup with dig returns SERVFAIL
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28 [00:05:37] <SerajewelKS> oh fun, i have 3 nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf and they all return a different response for the same query -_-
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74 [00:14:16] <b0s3d> im lost, what was it i should do again? client-pub or client-private should be copied to /home/client2/.ssh/ ? :)
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79 [00:14:43] <autofsck1> ssh-copy-id
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85 [00:15:11] <b0s3d> yeah the problem is tho that i have no sshd running on client2 and do not wish to :P
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87 [00:15:22] <b0s3d> i have physical access tho
88 [00:15:37] <autofsck1> or paste the athorized_keys you mean?
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90 [00:15:46] <autofsck1> the public file
91 [00:15:50] <b0s3d> ok thanks
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93 [00:16:04] <b0s3d> i am just going to copy both keys, and then use the pub just in case brb
94 [00:16:45] <jmcnaught> b0s3d: the ssh server you are connecting to should only have your client public key.
95 [00:16:49] <autofsck1> both?
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106 [00:18:56] <b0s3d> OOOOOOOO
107 [00:18:59] <b0s3d> it works m8SSS
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109 [00:19:21] <b0s3d> pub key from c1 and priv key from c2 :) nice work<
110 [00:19:34] <b0s3d> i will share my issue.net file for this haha
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114 [00:21:30] <buddybenj> cafuego: I tried putting the SATA cable in another SATA port on my motherboard, but I still get errors.
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121 [00:22:35] <b0s3d> enjoy (rare)
122 [00:22:35] <b0s3d> replaced-url
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133 [00:31:02] <buddybenj> cafuego: Should I contact my HDD manufacturer for a replacement?
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138 [00:34:35] <b0s3d> nite guys :)
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152 [00:40:20] <cafuego> buddybenj: You can try, but I suspect the mobo, considering SMART output doesn't show any issues.
153 [00:40:48] <buddybenj> Why would my SSD be working fine then?
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155 [00:41:44] <buddybenj> They are both connected to the same motherboard.
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157 [00:42:53] <teraflops> fauty v
158 [00:42:57] <teraflops> cable*
159 [00:42:59] <teraflops> srry
160 [00:43:15] <teraflops> faulty^
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164 [00:46:48] <buddybenj> By the way, for some reason, I am still getting errors, but now it is a different error. It says I have a write fault.
165 [00:46:50] <buddybenj> 0
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169 [00:47:18] <buddybenj> I'm going to reboot to see if it happens again.
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179 [00:50:53] <buddybenj> Same error, even after rebooting.
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184 [00:52:23] <laubosslink> Hi everybody, I currently have debian 8, and thinkpad t440s with ultradock where i connected 2 screens on display port thanks to this tutorial (replaced-url
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206 [00:57:02] <Jake1> What should I use to create a bootable usb?
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209 [00:57:25] <teraflops> Jake1: from where? (OS)
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211 [00:57:37] <Jake1> I'm on Ubuntu 12.04
212 [00:57:47] <Jake1> Maybe
213 [00:57:52] <teraflops> maybe?
214 [00:57:53] <Jake1> It's Ubuntu haha
215 [00:57:54] <teraflops> heh
216 [00:57:59] <teraflops> dd/cp/cat/pv is fine
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221 [00:58:58] <Jake1> dd/cp/cat/pv?
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224 [00:59:50] <teraflops> use cp or use dd or use cat(w/wo pv)
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226 [01:00:06] <jmcnaught> Jake1: are you trying to prepare for a Debian install? The install manual recommends to use a command like "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" where sdX is the device you're trying to write to
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232 [01:00:58] <Jake1> I downloaded "debian-live-8.4.0-amd64-lxde-desktop.iso, so I'm guessing I just want to use that?
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235 [01:01:06] <Jake1> With what you said jmcnaught?
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239 [01:01:19] <teraflops> sure there is a factoid im too bad with the bot
240 [01:01:27] <jmcnaught> Jake1: you probably want to use an installer image to install, not a live image. You should also check the install manual replaced-url
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243 [01:01:45] <Jake1> I was looking at that just a minute ago
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258 [01:09:00] <Jake1> I used cp debian.iso /dev/sdX changing things where necessary and it's not being detected :O
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260 [01:09:40] <teraflops> Jake1: yoy typed "/dev/sdX" literal?
261 [01:09:42] <teraflops> you*
262 [01:09:46] <Jake1> No xD
263 [01:09:49] <teraflops> heh sorry
264 [01:09:53] <teraflops> i had to ask
265 [01:09:56] <jmcnaught> Jake1: what did you change? make sure that you're copying the image to the device, not a partition on the device. so /dev/sdc not /dev/sdc1 for example
266 [01:10:04] <Jake1> O crap
267 [01:10:16] <Jake1> I put it to a partition
268 [01:10:20] <Jake1> oops
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270 [01:11:05] <jmcnaught> Jake1: did you get an installer image? for most people the netinst image is the best option. If you want/need UEFI you cannot use a live image to install
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272 [01:11:32] <Jake1> I did not, and I did not know about the UEFI thingy, so I'll get one now, I need UEFI
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275 [01:12:26] <teraflops> Jake1: yeah since I guess the live iso does not have *EFI support
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283 [01:14:38] <Jake1> Why are the DVD's labeled 1-2 and 3?
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285 [01:15:07] <jmcnaught> Jake1: do you have a broadband connection? if so, downloading DVDs is a waste of time/bandwidth
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287 [01:15:21] <Jake1> I do have a broadband connection
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292 [01:16:29] <jmcnaught> Jake1: use the installer image linked to on replaced-url
293 [01:17:13] <Jake1> I'd rather just download 1 iso with all the packages on it
294 [01:17:56] <jmcnaught> Jake1: if you insist on taking the long route
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300 [01:19:55] <pulsar12> why would pppd process try to resolve name "ppp0" while a client is connecting?
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319 [01:30:17] <awal1> In the default xmobar config, section 'Appearance' font config comes with « "font = "-misc-fixed-*-*-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" » and thats what I use. I guess it's XFree86 related but which family exactly, no idea. Any clue?
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335 [01:36:11] <tharkun> XScreenSaver 5.30 Is too old complains a freshly installed system. What am I supposed to do xfce vanilla is installed
336 [01:36:26] <markybob> !tell tharkun about xscreensaver
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338 [01:36:54] <tharkun> markybob: Thanks
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341 [01:37:55] <tharkun> markybob: lightdm is not currently installed and I do not know how well it interacts with xfce. Any ideas?
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343 [01:38:12] <markybob> tharkun: perfectly. that's what i use. lightdm with light-locker
344 [01:38:30] <markybob> and yes xfce here as well
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369 [01:48:27] <awal1> dpkg is wrong about xscreensaver being removed in sid, thats not true
370 [01:48:27] <dpkg> awal1: I give up, what is it?
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372 [01:48:52] <markybob> awal1: that's not what it meant. the code that causes that to popup has been removed
373 [01:49:27] <awal1> markybob, ok, ok.
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377 [01:51:47] <tharkun> markybob: Here is the isue I have several desktop allready running gdm3 and xscreensaver, If I install light-locker will lightdm be automagically installed and the configuration options of gdm3 will be in place? I am not familiar on how gdm3 and lighdm work. I personally use gdm3 and notion
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380 [01:52:28] <markybob> tharkun: i'm not sure. never used gdm3. only have desktop, xfce.
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384 [01:54:59] <awal1> tharkun, dpkg will prompt you for choose your default DM, then disable gdm3 via systemctl and enable/configure light-locker (if thats what your question means)
385 [01:55:04] <Menance_> hey does anyone even Rice on debian?
386 [01:55:12] <tharkun> markybob: Thanks anyway. Some local unofficial packaging will be needed :(
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388 [01:55:54] <freeone3000> !freeipa
389 [01:56:02] <Menance_> what?
390 [01:56:09] <Menance_> what is !freeipa
391 [01:56:11] <tharkun> awal1: I'll give it a try on a vm should that be enough or should I use some real hw?
392 [01:56:11] <Menance_> !freeipa
393 [01:56:16] <freeone3000> Menance_: I'm looking on how to install a freeipa client and I though there'd be a factoid.
394 [01:56:20] <Menance_> Oh
395 [01:56:41] <Menance_> do you guys use a DM or WM?
396 [01:56:48] <Menance_> I am using XFCE right now
397 [01:56:49] <awal1> tharkun, I (I think we) still not understand what is your doubt exactly
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399 [01:57:39] <tharkun> awal1: Will the switch break stuff? Will users be confortable with lightdm how many resources are eaten by it. Totally new ground here.
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402 [01:58:38] <Menance_> I had LightDM and I liked it
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404 [01:59:05] <markybob> it's incredibly light. thus the name
405 [01:59:22] <awal1> tharkun, I have a few DM's installed here and I switch between them some times and no problems at all
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410 [02:00:19] <tharkun> awal1: You are not my average user. But thanks for the pat on the back I'll poke at this machine tomorrow morning and see what happens. The others will have to wait. Thanks a lot for your time and your understanding.
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412 [02:00:41] <awal1> several desktop means several machines or several virtual desktops ?
413 [02:00:42] <Menance_> They should of renamed LightDM to HardDM on April Fools
414 [02:00:52] <tharkun> awal1: several machines.
415 [02:00:59] <markybob> oh
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417 [02:01:08] <markybob> tharkun: then you have nothing to worry about
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422 [02:02:31] <Menance_> There needs to be a lava lamp simulator in terminal
423 [02:02:32] <Menance_> would be a great program
424 [02:02:32] <Menance_> and then you could pipe it with fortune and the lava lamp would tell your fortune
425 [02:02:32] <Menance_> just a thought
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432 [02:04:47] <awal1> tharkun, me not an average user? hohoho, I'm a real newbie...
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439 [02:09:57] <freeone3000> Alright, it looks like the package from unstable is the most recent one that's in-sync with EL7. Thanks.
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441 [02:10:12] <auwooo> hi close this channel
442 [02:10:18] <auwooo> come to ##hacker
443 [02:10:26] <auwooo> i tune to astaraos
444 [02:10:33] <auwooo> you'r pc
445 [02:10:37] <auwooo> as a deal
446 [02:10:44] <markybob> 19:10 < auwooo> i tune to astara
447 [02:10:49] <auwooo> for free
448 [02:10:52] <markybob> damn that didn't work out
449 [02:11:24] <auwooo> Linux dhcppc0 4.6.0-0.rc3.git0.1.fc25.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Apr 11 14:03:25 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
450 [02:11:34] <auwooo> didn't work you say
451 [02:11:38] <markybob> auwooo: go away before you get banned
452 [02:11:41] <auwooo> are you fucking me
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519 [02:45:33] <tharkun> markybob: read the full bug report. Well it is a political isue more than a technical one. An expirable free license. Damn I hadn't heard of it before. Same thing happend with ion IIRC. I believe that somekind of protection for upstream should be in place on every distribution so people do what they are best at. "No one can do everything all the time." Marcus Aurelius.
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538 [02:57:54] <ryouma> i keep getting "msmtp: TLS handshake failed: The TLS connection was non-properly terminated." is this a client issue (i.e. a debian issue) or a server issue?
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576 [03:17:38] <jmcnaught> ryouma: have you tried making it more verbose?
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660 [03:56:36] <ryouma> jmcnaught: good idea. actually it is not exhibiting the bug, despite having done so all day.
661 [03:56:49] <ryouma> dunno if --debug did that or not
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663 [03:58:21] <jmcnaught> ryouma: you can use openssl s_client or gnutls-cli to test a server using SSL or STARTTLS
664 [03:59:09] <abrotman> swaks is a good tool to test email
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681 [04:08:07] <buddybenj> Why has my Debian bootup time gotten so much longer?
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683 [04:08:53] <buddybenj> It used to take like 1-2 seconds and now it gives me tons of messages and spends like 5 seconds between each message.
684 [04:09:04] <buddybenj> Is there anyway to fix that?
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688 [04:10:00] <buddybenj> I don't really care about what it has to tell me, so if disabling the messages will save 15 seconds of boot time, I will do it.
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715 [04:25:34] <awal1> buddybenj, which kind of messages?
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720 [04:29:25] <buddybenj> it will tell me things like my graphics card requires non-free drivers. It also repeatedly tells me that something which I don't care about failed. I forgot what it is called.
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724 [04:34:30] <buddybenj> awal1: I forgot to nameflash just in case you keep it minimized.
725 [04:35:11] <awal1> buddybenj, run, as regular user, "dmesg", dmesg | grep -i failed, systemctl --failed and you should get all those errors in your terminal
726 [04:35:33] <awal1> nameflash?
727 [04:36:23] <buddybenj> I don't see it when I grep. Maybe I'll just reboot and tell you what it is.
728 [04:37:03] <buddybenj> Some programs with flash with a notification when someone mentions your name which is useful if your IRC program is minimized.
729 [04:37:10] <buddybenj> brb I'll reboot
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731 [04:37:28] <awal1> systemctl --failed have 0 output?
732 [04:37:35] <awal1> no need to reboot
733 [04:37:45] <awal1> check the whole dmesg output
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736 [04:39:01] <martaroza> How to enable microphone and audio in front of the computer?
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740 [04:39:47] <buddybenj> awali1: ata2: COMRESET failed
741 [04:40:14] <awal1> I use hexchat and it displays an "!" in the systemtray icon if some one talk to you in irc, buddybenj
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743 [04:40:57] <martaroza> anyone?
744 [04:41:56] <buddybenj> Now that I think about it, I guess nameflash doesn't mean anything on GNOME since it doesn't have a dock. But on desktop environments with a dock, the hexchat icon will flash.
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748 [04:43:11] <buddybenj> awal1: So is there a way to disable those messages?
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750 [04:45:08] <martaroza> how enable frontal audio and microphone?
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753 [04:46:36] <awal1> buddybenj, similar erros surpasses my knowledge, sorry replaced-url
754 [04:47:26] <LtL> buddybenj: type /set then hit enter in the main window of hexchat, there are about 600 plus settings, one or more should do what you want.
755 [04:47:57] <buddybenj> LtL: I know, I was just explaining to him what nameflash meant.
756 [04:48:10] <buddybenj> awal1: All right. Thanks anywar.
757 [04:48:15] <buddybenj> anyway
758 [04:48:24] <LtL> buddybenj: oh, sorry my mistake
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764 [04:52:34] <martaroza> I try alsamixer, but not work
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767 [04:53:20] <martaroza> Ports: analog-input-front-mic: Front Microphone (priority: 8500, not available)
768 [04:53:20] <martaroza> analog-input-rear-mic: Rear Microphone (priority: 8200, not available)
769 [04:53:20] <martaroza> analog-input-linein: Line In (priority: 8100, not available)
770 [04:53:20] <martaroza> Active Port: analog-input-linein
771 [04:53:20] <martaroza> Formats:
772 [04:53:20] <martaroza> pcm
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776 [04:54:25] <martaroza> rs
777 [04:55:50] <abrotman> !paste
778 [04:55:50] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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806 [05:04:47] <buddybenj> Is there any way to fix write faults on my HDD?
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821 [05:20:08] <ryouma> buddybenj: yes there is an excelleng guide. let me find it.
822 [05:20:21] <ryouma> well by yes i mean ... just check it out
823 [05:20:58] <ryouma> replaced-url
824 [05:21:03] <ryouma> best guide i found
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837 [05:37:41] <kingsley> How would you copy an entire bootable USB thumb drive to a (.iso?) file that can be booted?
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839 [05:38:57] <markybob> kingsley: cp image.iso /dev/sdX (not /dev/sdX1)
840 [05:39:47] <kingsley> markybob: Yes, but I have /dev/sdX and need image.iso. Would ...
841 [05:39:57] <markybob> kingsley: oh. sudo dd if=/dev/sdx of=/path/to/new.iso
842 [05:39:57] <kingsley> cp /dev/sdx image.iso
843 [05:40:00] <kingsley> work?
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850 [05:43:53] <kingsley> markybob: I'm trying dd...
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881 [06:05:26] <kingsley> markybob: I found web pages that also suggested using dd, and I followed your suggestion.
882 [06:05:55] <kingsley> Unfortunately, when I try to boot from the .iso, qemu complains with ...
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886 [06:06:53] <kingsley> "Could not read CDROM (code 0005)
887 [06:06:56] <kingsley> "
888 [06:06:56] <TheQuestionmark> Added a new SSD to my rig the day before yesterday, now I want to use a 16g partition on this device as swap partition since my OS's SSD is too small. How can I do that?
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891 [06:07:40] <jml2> TheQuestionmark, good way to deteriorate your ssd is to use swap on it
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895 [06:09:23] <TheQuestionmark> jml2: So? Well... $HOME is placed on a 2T HDD. Question is then, how can I use a swap-file on this one? I suppose it has to be 16G if I have a system with 8G of RAM.
896 [06:10:06] <jmcnaught> kingsley: Debian iso images are special hybrids that can be copied to a block device like a flash drive. not all ISO images are like this
897 [06:10:49] <jmcnaught> is it still true that SSDs wear out quickly if you write to them too much? I thought newer ones were rated for ridiculous amounts of writes per day
898 [06:12:32] <kingsley> jmcnaught: Hmmm... that's interesting. Maybe MicroSoft's data on the flash drive was not in Debian's iso format.
899 [06:13:13] <jmcnaught> kingsley: what bootable flash drive is this?
900 [06:13:31] <kingsley> jmcnaught: Thanks for asking. It
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902 [06:13:49] <kingsley> It's a Windows 10 install.
903 [06:13:58] <jml2> TheQuestionmark, you can use gparted live iso, and shrink the ext2/3/4 filesystem to then add a swap partition
904 [06:14:27] <jmcnaught> kingsley: it's most likely not specially prepared to be a hybrid ISO like the debian images are, but you could maybe ask in ##windows about it
905 [06:14:33] <jml2> TheQuestionmark, if you don't mind over-abusing an ssd drive then nobody is stopping you from using the ssd...
906 [06:14:48] <jml2> TheQuestionmark, "depending" on how much it is really used of course
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908 [06:15:10] <kingsley> jmcnaught: Yes, I agree.
909 [06:15:20] <TheQuestionmark> Well, I need the swap for hibernation which absolutely doesn't work for me if I wanna keep all my daily used tools open.
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911 [06:15:44] <TheQuestionmark> Same for suspend.
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914 [06:17:37] <jml2> TheQuestionmark, you'll also need to update the initrd, there should be something on the wiki ( apt-get install --reinstall initramfs-tools replaced-url
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916 [06:18:26] <jml2> TheQuestionmark, (this one looks more updated replaced-url
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918 [06:19:15] <jml2> TheQuestionmark, when you add the swap to /etc/fstab, you should use the UUID (and not /dev/sdN) (you can use blkid to list UUID)
919 [06:19:47] <jml2> jmcnaught, ssd's get more deteriorated without trim support
920 [06:20:11] <jml2> jmcnaught, i don't think there's such as trim over swap
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927 [06:21:47] <TheQuestionmark> I'll keep your words in a textfile to check this after I'm done with work for today.
928 [06:21:59] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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935 [06:25:35] <jmcnaught> jml2: apparently there is, swapon(8) has a --discard option, can also be used in fstab
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937 [06:26:19] <jmcnaught> most new SSD controllers also have some form of wear leveling feature
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1195 [07:21:19] <ryouma> i have updated to the backports jessie kernel to fix instability, but now smart is not working on an external drive. i get "Read Device Identity failed: scsi error unsupported field in scsi command".
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1198 [07:21:31] <ryouma> it worked fine in the jessie kernel
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1200 [07:22:21] <ryouma> (also, the /dev/disk/by-id designation keeps changing from kernel to kernel for some reason, but that's just a symlink so it seems unrelated. still why does it do that?)
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1613 [08:19:44] <lancelot_of> hello
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1617 [08:19:56] <monoxane> hi
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1625 [08:21:01] <lancelot_of> I have to run a program which need libmpi.so.12 as dependency, but it seems it is not on my debian jessie: cannot open shared object file, any suggestion?
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1629 [08:21:25] <monoxane> dunno
1630 [08:21:27] <monoxane> sorry
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1633 [08:21:42] <somiaj> lancelot_of: you could use apt-file to search for that libary. Does the program say what versio of the libary it needs?
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1646 [08:24:25] <somiaj> lancelot_of: the versions I'm seenig in jessie don't sem to match the version you are linking. But there are various libmpi.so.foo libaries.
1647 [08:24:29] <lancelot_of> somiaj, replaced-url
1648 [08:24:39] <themill> lancelot_of: there are a few things that go by the name 'mpi'; libmpich12 might be what you need
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1652 [08:25:29] <lancelot_of> themill, so can I create a symbolic link to libmpich12 in the dir where is the executable?
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1654 [08:25:50] <themill> the current directory is not in the LD_LIBRARY_PATH by default
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1657 [08:26:47] <themill> but really, you should you back to whomever gave you this thing and ask which mpi implementation it is supposed to use and ask them for the source to build it
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1677 [08:34:12] <lancelot_of> ok thanks
1678 [08:34:16] <lancelot_of> have a nice day
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1714 [08:50:53] <ch`b> The recent samba-libs (4.2) update in jessie pulls in a depedency for the samba server package. Anyone ideas if this is intentional or a bug?
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1726 [08:54:14] <somiaj> ch`b: I'm looking at the samba-libs package and not seeing the depends relation. Are you sure that is the package at fault?
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1730 [08:54:57] <somiaj> ch`b: also what is this 4.2 version your talking about, I see 4.1.17 in jessie
1731 [08:55:02] <somiaj> ,v samba-libs
1732 [08:55:02] <judd> Package: samba-libs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch: 2:4.3.6+dfsg-1; sid: 2:4.3.7+dfsg-1; experimental: 2:4.4.1+dfsg-1
1733 [08:55:17] <somiaj> oh nevermind, my cache is outdated
1734 [08:55:29] <msn> samba4 is 4.2 in jessie for sure
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1736 [08:55:57] <ch`b> exactly, the recent security update: replaced-url
1737 [08:56:02] <ch`b> depends on "samba"
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1742 [08:57:52] <themill> ch`b: that dependency should be fixed soon; there are some other issues with the package that are being worked on at the same time
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1747 [08:59:08] <ch`b> themill: you mean there is no need to report a bug on that?
1748 [08:59:17] <themill> already done
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1752 [08:59:53] <ch`b> fine :-)
1753 [09:00:03] <speial> Is there a way to issue a kill command and wait until it succeeded?
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1769 [09:03:29] <Stummi> speial, in shell script you can use wait to wait for its own children to stop
1770 [09:04:15] <speial> Scripts have children? The programs started from the script?
1771 [09:04:24] <Stummi> if the process you want to wait for is not your own child you are out of luck. You could check if its alive with "kill -0 $pid" regulary, but that error prone depending on how fast PIDs are recycled by the OS
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1773 [09:04:51] <speial> Stummi: I want to create script that runs vinagre over ssh.
1774 [09:04:52] <Stummi> speial, yes, if you start something from the script its the scripts child
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1778 [09:05:33] <speial> Something like "ssh -L ... vinagre 127.0.0.1 ... kill ssh ... wait for ssh to die ..."
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1781 [09:05:49] <speial> All I have to do is put "wait" at the end?
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1783 [09:06:25] <Stummi> "kill ssh" will kill all your ssh processes, not only the one you invoked
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1785 [09:06:57] <Stummi> "ssh ...... & sshPid=$!; kill $sshPid; wait $sshPid"
1786 [09:07:03] <Stummi> anyway that kinda smells like XY to me
1787 [09:07:28] <jmcnaught> doesn't vinagre already support SSH?
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1789 [09:07:39] <Stummi> I don't know what vinagre is
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1791 [09:07:58] <jmcnaught> it's a VNC client, part of gnome
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1794 [09:08:14] <speial> jmcnaught: I don't think it supports it.
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1799 [09:09:57] <jmcnaught> speial: i don't use it because i don't have a use for VNC, but it's installed here on my jessie desktop, and if I go to Remote > Connect, SSH is one of the protocol options
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1802 [09:10:24] <speial> jmcnaught: let me try...
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1804 [09:10:34] <Stummi> I don't think it meens "tunnel over ssh" but "use ssh X forwarding"
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1806 [09:10:43] <Stummi> but I am just guessing here
1807 [09:10:58] <speial> I never started it via X. Always via the shell...
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1810 [09:11:56] <speial> Stummi: choosing "ssh" lands me in a shell.
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1812 [09:12:17] <speial> Looks like vinagre can act like an ssh shell.#
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1815 [09:12:27] <Stummi> so, its just a ssh client then
1816 [09:12:29] <speial> But I need vnc via ssh.
1817 [09:12:42] <jmcnaught> i guess i misundertood, sorry for the noise
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1819 [09:12:44] <Stummi> (why ever people think dedicated ssh client guis are a good idea)
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1826 [09:13:40] <`z> "ssh -NL PORT:localhost:PORT your.server.tld", then fire up Vinagre?
1827 [09:13:51] <speial> z: i do that already.
1828 [09:14:06] <speial> I want to put it in a script that kills ssh afterwards.
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1830 [09:14:33] <jmcnaught> oh wait, it does seem to have "use host ____ as a ssh tunnel", if running vinagre locally works for you
1831 [09:14:36] <speial> Stummi: So the whole command would be like this? ssh ...... & sshPid=$!; vinagre; kill $sshPid; wait $sshPid
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1833 [09:15:15] <Stummi> looks fine to me
1834 [09:15:36] <speial> jmcnaught: oh.. yes it has that... not quite sure how to use it.
1835 [09:16:01] <Stummi> its possible that the ssh tunnel is not ready in the moment vinagre is invoked.
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1840 [09:16:14] <Stummi> you have to see if it can work with this
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1850 [09:19:40] <speial> Stummi: Yeah, seems not to be available. Add a sleep command?
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1859 [09:20:19] <speial> Strange, that does not work either.
1860 [09:20:22] <Stummi> speial, its not nice but it should work
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1864 [09:21:29] <speial> The ssh command seems to hang because it asks for a password but i never see the prompt.
1865 [09:21:54] <speial> I even have to kill it with -9 to get rid of it.
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1871 [09:23:10] <Stummi> speial, you probably want ssh -N -f - though I am not sure how to kill that when you are done, I would look for a ssh config option for that
1872 [09:23:31] <speial> Stummi: I do that. That's not the problem.
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1874 [09:23:47] <speial> The problem is this: & pid=$!
1875 [09:23:54] <speial> When I add that, I don't see the password prompt.
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1877 [09:24:03] <Stummi> speial, -f will fork into background itself, you won't have the correct pid after that
1878 [09:24:14] <Stummi> speial, use ssh keys
1879 [09:24:26] <han-solo> wouldn't the commadn require &&?
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1881 [09:24:40] <han-solo> just & won't put it into background? :/
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1886 [09:26:58] <Stummi> han-solo, huh?
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1888 [09:27:16] <Stummi> & puts a command in a background, && is a boolean operator in bash. Two completely different things
1889 [09:27:19] <Stummi> s/bash/sh
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1894 [09:27:57] <speial> Why is the password prompt hidden when it goes into background?
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1896 [09:28:05] <han-solo> yeah, i though you wanted the ssh command and to have a variable with pid set
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1898 [09:28:34] <speial> han-solo: That's what I want.
1899 [09:28:55] <speial> But the ssh has to run in the background. It is used by the following commands.
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1901 [09:29:02] <speial> Anyone with an idea how to solve it?
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1903 [09:29:35] <han-solo> yeah, sorry
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1905 [09:29:56] <Stummi> speial, yes don't use passwords, but ssh-keys
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1907 [09:30:08] <speial> I knew somebody would say that.
1908 [09:30:16] <Stummi> so, why did you ask?
1909 [09:30:22] <speial> I did not ask that.
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1912 [09:31:03] <Stummi> speial, & puts your command into background, meaning it disconnects from your tty. So you can't set the password
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1916 [09:31:27] <speial> Oh, ssh's -f parameter might be the solution.
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1920 [09:32:31] <speial> Hmm.. does not work.
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1924 [09:33:20] <speial> pretty strange.
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1928 [09:34:26] <speial> I fire this: "ssh -f ...;pid=$1;sleep 2; vinagre 127.0.0.1:1; kill $pid; wait $pid"
1929 [09:34:43] <speial> Everything works, but then I get: bash: kill: (4197) - No such process
1930 [09:34:54] <speial> But 4197 is not the pid of ssh.
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1933 [09:35:16] <speial> Why does it get a wrong pid?
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1935 [09:35:36] <speial> (I fire this: "ssh -f ...;pid=$!;sleep 2; vinagre 127.0.0.1:1; kill $pid; wait $pid")
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1937 [09:36:06] <speial> Does ssh's -f fuck up the pid?
1938 [09:36:13] <jelly> ssh client likely forks and execs when -f is used
1939 [09:36:17] <speial> jelly: yup
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1941 [09:36:42] <jelly> much like a daemon
1942 [09:36:52] <speial> Is there a way to get the pid?
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1957 [09:39:54] <speial> "pidof ssh" returns the correct id. But is that pure luck that it gets the right one?
1958 [09:39:59] <jelly> speial: google suggests using a control socket to control that particular ssh client instead of guessing pid.
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1960 [09:40:11] <jelly> eg. last answer here # replaced-url
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1963 [09:40:44] <jelly> replaced-url
1964 [09:40:50] <junkatown> does installing init system makes my system unsupported since its not the default?
1965 [09:41:00] <jelly> junkatown: no
1966 [09:41:25] <jelly> junkatown: if you installed something from official debian repos for the release you installed, it's supported
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1969 [09:41:58] <speial> jelly: Interesting. Does that still mean one ssh command to start the tunnel or is it two now?
1970 [09:42:17] <junkatown> jelly: are service profiles shipped for all init systems?
1971 [09:42:28] <jelly> junkatown: if you installed it from someplace else, like a third party repo or different distro, or a newer debian release, then you enter unsupported theory
1972 [09:42:54] <jelly> s/theory/land/
1973 [09:43:04] <jelly> junkatown: definitely not.
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1976 [09:43:12] <junkatown> i havent installed it yet, i wanna know whats ahead
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1980 [09:44:09] <jelly> junkatown: eg. most don't ship stuff for upstart or lesser known init replacements, and have to rely on sysvinit compat if there's any
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1984 [09:44:20] <speial> jelly: The suggested "ssh -S /tmp/test -o exit" gives me "command-line: line 0: Bad configuration option: exit"
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1988 [09:44:45] <speial> I guess I will go with the pidof solution and hope for the best.
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1991 [09:45:14] <jelly> speial: you probably want to RTFM what an option does before blindly trying stuff from the internet?
1992 [09:45:20] <junkatown> jelly: how can i check that
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1994 [09:46:09] <jelly> junkatown: you'd have to look at the contents of packages providing each service you care about
1995 [09:46:44] <speial> It seem ssh's -f creates a process that is not child of the script. So you cannot wait for it. Damn.
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2000 [09:47:48] <speial> How can you wait as long as a certain pid is still active?
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2004 [09:48:41] <junkatown> jelly: thanks, so service.upstart is for upstart, service.init is for sysvinit?
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2007 [09:49:04] <speial> I'm not good with bash, but it should be something like this: while kill -0 $pid > /dev/null 2>&1; do; done;
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2012 [09:49:37] <speial> Anybody familiar with bash who knows the correct syntax?
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2015 [09:50:24] <jelly> junkatown: that doesn't look right. If you care about a particular init system you should probably figure out where its config goes. For sysvinit that's /etc/init.d/
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2024 [09:51:38] <junkatown> so much pain in the world of init systems :P
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2035 [09:55:19] <speial> I kind of finished my vnc over ssh oneliner. the beast looks like this now: ssh -L 5901:localhost:5901 -N -f $host; vinagre 127.0.0.1:1; pid=`pidof ssh`; kill $pid; while kill -0 $pid > /dev/null 2>&1; do sleep 1; done;
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2037 [09:55:44] <jelly> junkatown: knowing how a non-default component works is not an unreasonable requirement if you, well, want to use it
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2040 [09:56:26] <jelly> speial: just be sure to only ever have one ssh client running on that machine!
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2044 [09:56:55] <speial> jelly: there are multiple running. but so far, it always killed the right one :)
2045 [09:57:01] <matu> Hi.
2046 [09:57:04] <jelly> /o\
2047 [09:57:19] <matu> Are you using vmplayer ? I can not uninstall it anymore. It looks like a bug :
2048 [09:57:21] <matu> replaced-url
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2050 [09:58:10] <matu> It says that vmware player is not an installed product when i try to remove it by using vmware-installer but it says it is installed when i try to install vmware workstation...
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2053 [09:58:22] <jelly> speial: pgrep can give you a finer selection of processes than pidof, and with -x or -f options to give it part or the whole command line instead of just the process name
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2058 [09:59:11] <jelly> speial: and it has a sister command pkill
2059 [09:59:18] <speial> jelly: awesome!
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2098 [10:14:02] <MurciLee> does anyone know how's it going about changing name from icedove to thunderbird like firefox?
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2103 [10:15:41] <bdog7> MurciLee, what are you talking about?
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2106 [10:17:21] <MurciLee> bdog7: like iceweasel change it's name to firefox, I heard icedove also will change it's name to thunderbird
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2108 [10:17:30] <MurciLee> i was wondering when is it going to be
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2114 [10:18:34] <bdog7> Debian Jessie has icedove and iceweasel...... yes which are rebranded firefox and thunderbird, are you saying it's changed in testing?
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2117 [10:19:08] <MurciLee> i'm on debian sid and yes for firefox but not thunderbird yet
2118 [10:19:35] <bdog7> I see, you might try #debian-next
2119 [10:19:43] <avb> looks like mozilla allowed debian to use original branding in their packages
2120 [10:19:43] <MurciLee> oh
2121 [10:19:48] <MurciLee> thank you
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2123 [10:20:10] <bdog7> seems they set invite only currently though
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2125 [10:20:18] <MurciLee> yeah...
2126 [10:20:24] <jmcnaught> #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net
2127 [10:20:26] <MurciLee> it says i need to be invited
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2130 [10:20:43] <bdog7> try later
2131 [10:20:59] <MurciLee> is there some tracking sites for that? the rebranding about icedove
2132 [10:21:00] <bdog7> oh
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2134 [10:21:42] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
2135 [10:21:43] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2137 [10:22:49] <MurciLee> thank you
2138 [10:22:57] <MurciLee> replaced-url
2139 [10:22:58] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2140 [10:23:03] <MurciLee> for just if someone needs
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2143 [10:23:45] <cynicallemon> renaming mozilla products wont matter the way moz is going at the minute
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2145 [10:24:38] <mavhq> replaced-url
2146 [10:24:45] <ToeSnacks> Is there an alternative mail client as feature rich as Thunderbird?
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2149 [10:25:16] <jmcnaught> evolution and kmail are two
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2151 [10:25:33] <ToeSnacks> oh right I forgot about evolution
2152 [10:25:34] <ToeSnacks> thanks
2153 [10:25:48] <MurciLee> ToeSnacks: i'm trying to stick with geary for mail and pidgin for irc
2154 [10:26:14] <cynicallemon> ToeSnacks, also claws
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2160 [10:28:14] <ToeSnacks> Are there any good break downs of the major differenced between Ubuntu and Debian? I mean more core elements not fluff like Unity vs Gnome and the like.
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2162 [10:29:40] <ToeSnacks> I use ubuntu server for everything because it's what I used first but everything it is seems to just be a downstream copy of debian and I want to know and sticking points if I start trying to transition
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2164 [10:29:56] <ToeSnacks> *any
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2166 [10:30:08] <futex_> Anyone have try to install cuda on jessie? How you have do it?
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2169 [10:30:34] <ToeSnacks> and I apologize if that is a common and infuriating question
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2171 [10:33:02] <jmcnaught> ToeSnacks: Not really comparisons, but there are replaced-url
2172 [10:33:08] <jmcnaught> ian unstable) whereas the quality in ...
2173 [10:33:10] <jmcnaught> ... Debian is more consistent in all packages.
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2180 [10:35:53] <ToeSnacks> sid is almost a rolling release right?
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2182 [10:36:01] <cynicallemon> it is
2183 [10:36:26] <ToeSnacks> would it be considered more or less stable than arch?
2184 [10:37:12] <cynicallemon> generally more because arch are quicker to release
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2188 [10:38:14] <ToeSnacks> what about general usage stuff? I head that in debian you generally elevate to root to do things as opposed to sudo with ubuntu
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2190 [10:38:40] <cynicallemon> well the old su verses sudo debate
2191 [10:38:56] <ToeSnacks> I am not versed on that debate at all
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2193 [10:39:13] <ToeSnacks> I have always used sudo because that's how I started
2194 [10:39:25] <cynicallemon> either is fine
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2197 [10:39:36] <ToeSnacks> are there arguments againts?
2198 [10:39:42] <jmcnaught> sudo is available in Debian, and is turned on by default if you do not set a root password during the install
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2204 [10:40:41] <cynicallemon> i tend to use su
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2209 [10:41:15] <ToeSnacks> thank you for humoring my questions I'm sure the comparison got old a long time ago
2210 [10:41:18] <cynicallemon> mainly as i hate to sudo this and sudo that etc
2211 [10:41:37] <ToeSnacks> ok so there is no best practices reason it's a preference thing?
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2214 [10:42:13] <cynicallemon> pretty much i guess
2215 [10:42:21] <hmpf> Hi everybody.
2216 [10:42:29] <cynicallemon> you can do damage with sudo and su
2217 [10:42:52] <hmpf> Is it safe to put "developer ALL=(root) NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/dpkg" in the sudoers file?
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2219 [10:43:17] <hmpf> my goal is to enable package installation for a non root user. and thats the best way i came up with so far.
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2223 [10:44:47] <MurciLee> jmcnaught: thanks for good tips about remaining root password during the install makes sudo turns on. didn't know that
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2225 [10:45:14] <jmcnaught> MurciLee: this is only an option during the advanced install
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2227 [10:45:51] <cynicallemon> MurciLee, yeah thats a new one to me about sudo during install but then agian i always use a password for accounts
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2233 [10:47:24] <Kiril> hello
2234 [10:47:37] <Kiril> cat /e-bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: Read-only file system
2235 [10:47:49] <Kiril> any ideas how to fix this
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2237 [10:48:38] <MurciLee> jmcnaught: which do you prefer personally(between su and sudo)? my debian(gnome) actually shows me some software like firefox update failed becatuse of permission. is this anything to do with sudo / su thing?
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2247 [10:51:08] <Filystyn> HELLO
2248 [10:51:09] <cynicallemon> MurciLee, with FF updates it needs a way to escalate the users account to install update hence sudo is needed
2249 [10:51:14] <Filystyn> people of debian - PROBLEM
2250 [10:51:22] <Filystyn> why did you remove ffmpeg from packages?
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2252 [10:51:47] <Filystyn> ANYONE?!
2253 [10:51:48] <jmcnaught> hmpf: this might be something you can configure with packagekit and policykit. note that being able to install arbitrary packages is inherently unsafe
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2255 [10:52:09] <Filystyn> it's safe
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2260 [10:53:11] <cynicallemon> hmpf, also allowing users to use dpkg will let them install and delete other packages
2261 [10:53:16] <dagerik> how can I use journald to inspect dpkg log? I need to inspect an unattended upgrade
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2263 [10:53:25] <Mathisen> Filystyn, its in > replaced-url
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2265 [10:53:47] <jmcnaught> MurciLee: firefox update? how did you install firefox? i tend to use both su and sudo on different systems. sudo can give you more finegrained control. su has an builtin advantage of sorts in that it's a different password
2266 [10:53:53] <Filystyn> Mathisen thanks adding it now
2267 [10:53:59] <MurciLee> cynicallemon: do you mean my account needs to be sudo-able?
2268 [10:54:04] <strk> is there permission bit that would derive umask from parent dir ? like seg-gid derives group ownership ?
2269 [10:54:06] <Filystyn> why not have all in one rep?
2270 [10:54:10] <Mathisen> Filystyn, using jessie ?
2271 [10:54:13] <cynicallemon> MurciLee, yes
2272 [10:54:30] <jmcnaught> ffmpeg is in jessie-backports, deb-multimedia.org is third party and known to cause problems
2273 [10:54:31] <mavhq> surely what you want is local per user package installs
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2275 [10:54:38] <cynicallemon> MurciLee, install sudo and add the user to the sudo group
2276 [10:54:56] <cynicallemon> MurciLee, usermod -aG sudo <user>
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2278 [10:55:15] <Filystyn> Mathisen yes
2279 [10:55:23] <jmcnaught> "adduser user sudo" works too
2280 [10:55:23] <MurciLee> jmcnaught: I added ubuntuzilla's repository for firefox-mozilla-build and I install it by 'apt-get install firefox-mozilla-build' as I remember
2281 [10:55:47] <jmcnaught> MurciLee: that's definitely the wrong way
2282 [10:55:48] <cynicallemon> MurciLee, log out and back in again and that user will have sudo
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2284 [10:56:13] <Mathisen> yeah add the repo then.. :)
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2286 [10:57:18] <Filystyn> updating..
2287 [10:57:39] <Filystyn> installing latex so i got FAJRANT for stuff like this
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2289 [10:58:09] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: we try not to recommend third party repos like deb-multimedia here because it's not supported by Debian.
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2291 [10:58:20] <MurciLee> jmcnaught: yeah i know this is not a good way but that was about 2,3 month ago. there wasn't actual 'firefox' on debian sid
2292 [10:58:28] <Filystyn> because debian supports so low ammount of programs it is patehtic
2293 [10:58:32] <jelly> there's ffmpeg in jessie-backports
2294 [10:58:38] <Filystyn> I do not buy this "stable" bs
2295 [10:58:40] <jmcnaught> MurciLee: Iceweasel was/is Firefox, it's just rebranded
2296 [10:59:00] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, noted..
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2298 [10:59:24] <Filystyn> i will add as much repos i can and than come here complain if anything break
2299 [10:59:41] <MurciLee> anyway, what's wrong about installing firefox on 3rd party repository between permission problem while updating?
2300 [10:59:54] <Filystyn> MuricLee they want to control everything
2301 [11:00:06] <Filystyn> but at this point iceweasel is ok
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2303 [11:00:15] <Filystyn> no sens to install firefox
2304 [11:00:31] <Filystyn> and there is this icecat coming since gnu
2305 [11:00:45] <cynicallemon> I just get firefox and thunderbird directly from mozilla and install
2306 [11:00:45] <jelly> MurciLee: we can't predict the behaviour and dependencies for foreign sources
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2309 [11:01:29] <jelly> MurciLee: and they don't have to comply with best packaging practices which solve a number of common errors
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2311 [11:02:27] <Filystyn> The repository team is lazy. Most running versions are ancient. Not that it's so bad.
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2315 [11:04:38] <cynicallemon> transmission is lagging behind on 2.84
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2324 [11:06:57] <HaRoCafe> need sugestion for learning apache on debian jessie. link please
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2328 [11:07:23] <cynicallemon> google install apache on debian
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2333 [11:08:28] <HaRoCafe> already done it. google said diferend on jessie
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2337 [11:09:16] <jmcnaught> HaRoCafe: the Debian specific stuff is documented in /usr/share/doc/apache2 especially the README.Debian.gz file
2338 [11:09:19] <theunixfreak> hi i am running debian testing. when i do "apt-get install bluefish" i get "no installation candidate error" do you know what is happening? thanks :)
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2341 [11:10:17] <cynicallemon> HaRoCafe, try this - replaced-url
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2343 [11:10:34] <HaRoCafe> sorry i am not the man who read manual. painfull on my brain who does not have much english library
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2345 [11:10:38] <cynicallemon> depends what you want to use it for though
2346 [11:10:49] <Filystyn> why not write your own http server :O
2347 [11:10:49] <HaRoCafe> cynicallemon: thks will try it
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2352 [11:11:31] <HaRoCafe> just learning to host something
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2354 [11:11:58] <jmcnaught> theunixfreak: what does "apt-cache policy bluefish" say? can you make a paste of the command you used and the complete output?
2355 [11:12:18] <theunixfreak> yes
2356 [11:12:32] <theunixfreak> jmcnaught, this is the output: bluefish:
2357 [11:12:32] <hmpf> cynicallemon: jmcnaught: thanks, i will look into that.
2358 [11:12:32] <theunixfreak> Installed: (none)
2359 [11:12:32] <theunixfreak> Candidate: (none)
2360 [11:12:32] <theunixfreak> Version table:
2361 [11:12:33] <Filystyn> btw if you join #apache
2362 [11:12:45] <cynicallemon> i thought bluefish was a gonner
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2364 [11:12:50] <Filystyn> there are 300 people maybe there you will get your help
2365 [11:12:57] <jmcnaught> theunixfreak: please use replaced-url
2366 [11:13:00] <theunixfreak> cynicallemon, i thought it was under active development :(
2367 [11:13:07] <theunixfreak> jmcnaught, sorry :( i will do it from now on
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2369 [11:13:22] <jmcnaught> !show sources.list theunixfreak
2370 [11:13:23] <dpkg> theunixfreak: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
2371 [11:13:34] <jmcnaught> ,v bluefish
2372 [11:13:35] <judd> Package: bluefish on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.0.1-1; wheezy: 2.2.3-4; wheezy-backports: 2.2.6-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.2.6-2; jessie-backports: 2.2.7-2~bpo8+1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 2.2.7-2~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports-sloppy: 2.2.7-2~bpo70+1; sid: 2.2.7-2
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2376 [11:14:45] <jmcnaught> theunixfreak: oh i see, you're on testing. you can check the package tracker site for news about why it may have been removed from testing. also for testing you'll get better support on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
2377 [11:14:59] <theunixfreak> jmcnaught, my sources.list is replaced-url
2378 [11:15:08] <theunixfreak> jmcnaught, thanks
2379 [11:15:08] <HaRoCafe> by for now thks
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2396 [11:20:43] <jim> what's the guide to bash scripting that's pretty good, I think greycat wrote it
2397 [11:21:14] <Stummi> !guide
2398 [11:21:14] <dpkg> somebody said guide was at replaced-url
2399 [11:21:24] <Stummi> oups, thats wrong chan
2400 [11:21:38] <Stummi> jim: replaced-url
2401 [11:21:51] <Stummi> (alternatively: /msg greybot guide)
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2407 [11:23:09] <Clu3l355> hi all :)
2408 [11:23:36] <Clu3l355> I have this situation:I setup remote mysql from one container to allow remote connections coming from hostname "host.name", but the ip addresses changed for both the mysql container host and the "host.name" and I've updboth their dns settings to resolve the updated addresses accordingly, but now my issue is that mysql user table still lists the sam
2409 [11:23:36] <Clu3l355> e "host.name" for each user but wont connect remotely. Does mysql store the ip address for the hostname at that point in time when you add the user? or would i just have to rerun the query and update the remote host? I hope this makes sense
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2411 [11:24:02] <Clu3l355> also one needs to be registered to post to #mysql, im on the run and thats a bit tedious at the moment, thanks in advance guys
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2419 [11:27:16] <unborn> Clu3l355: perhaps you would use IP as hostname instead of name it self?
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2422 [11:28:30] <Clu3l355> unborn: i was hoping it would automatically resolve the hostname irrespective but i guess ill have to update and use ips instead, thanks
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2426 [11:30:06] <unborn> Clu3l355: well does those hosts have static ips? if not then ip is possible best way to do it.. perhaps you can setup some bash script which will monitor the current ip of that host and if changed it will change records of that ip in your mysql or config file
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2435 [11:31:23] <jmcnaught> Clu3l355: if you connect to the server what does "SHOW GRANTS;" say? probably a hostname
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2443 [11:32:01] <jmcnaught> Clu3l355: also registering with NickServ is really easy, and you'll probably get better help in the mysql channel
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2555 [11:38:17] <Clu3l355> thanks guys, ill register my nick shortly and check in w/ mysql, but to answer unborn
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2557 [11:38:26] <Clu3l355> thanks guys, ill register my nick shortly and check in w/ mysql, but to answer unborn - they're both on static
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2561 [11:38:49] <Clu3l355> we're just in the process of migrating to a new subnet :) so now im sitting with these type issues
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2565 [11:38:53] <Clu3l355> ill check the show grants shortly
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2569 [11:39:14] <jmcnaught> Clu3l355: also what kind of containers are they?
2570 [11:39:23] <Clu3l355> lxc
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2586 [11:43:26] <Clu3l355> for what its worth guys
2587 [11:43:28] <Clu3l355> update mysql.user SET host = 'new.host.ip.here' WHERE host = 'host.name' AND User != 'root';
2588 [11:43:33] <Clu3l355> update mysql.db SET host = 'new.host.ip.here' WHERE host = 'host.name' AND User != 'root';
2589 [11:43:39] <Clu3l355> those 2 on the mysql host container did the trick
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2594 [11:44:03] <unborn> Clu3l355: ah if they are static use ips as temporary solution.. when dns is propagated lets say in 48 hours, you can go back to your host.names setup..
2595 [11:44:05] <Clu3l355> ill try and run those commands to reset it to hostname and test again, otherwise ill just stick to IPs :/
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2597 [11:44:56] <Clu3l355> unborn: I shouldve thought of that earlier, but thanks for your help :)
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2605 [11:48:05] <unborn> Clu3l355: it all depends from your bind setup.. or dns setup.. but if your ip was changed, you should allow at least couple of hours to go around all root server on net.. basically if you host your remote dbs on something.somedomain.com but ip was changed then that could take some time.. ip is good tmp solution, just accessing directly..
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2612 [11:49:01] <Clu3l355> unborn: soon as you mentioned propagation i figured thats the case and completely overlooked that fact, so thanks again person ( whichever gender you are :) )
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2625 [11:52:10] <Filystyn> if packets can not be verified what doe sit mean (apt-get dist-upgrade) ???
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2627 [11:52:16] <Filystyn> ANYONE!?
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2633 [11:54:45] <Filystyn> QUESTION was asssskkkeddd
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2635 [11:54:50] <Filystyn> hurry!
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2640 [11:55:35] <Iridos> else you'll cut our salary
2641 [11:55:51] <Filystyn> Hey I am waiting here
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2643 [11:56:09] <Stummi> Filystyn, which context?
2644 [11:56:15] <Stummi> I don't know about "sit"
2645 [11:56:15] <markybob> Filystyn: you've been told about your screaming and repeating more times than i can count. you wonder why you annoy people?
2646 [11:56:20] <Filystyn> context of packet installation
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2649 [11:56:45] <Filystyn> i wrote apt-get dist-upgrade
2650 [11:57:01] <Filystyn> all the multi arch part of i386
2651 [11:57:01] <Clu3l355> Filystyn: I'll take a guess and say -> apt-key for whatever repo its complaining about
2652 [11:57:11] <Filystyn> is that bad?
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2655 [11:57:19] <Stummi> Filystyn, it means packages cannot be verified
2656 [11:57:27] <Filystyn> is that normal ?
2657 [11:57:38] <Stummi> no, its not normal, and yes it can be bad. Its a possible attack vector
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2659 [11:57:58] <Filystyn> okie
2660 [11:58:00] <Stummi> just make sure the apt keys are up to date as Clu said
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2662 [11:58:11] <Filystyn> not sure how to do it?
2663 [11:58:16] <Filystyn> ah apt-key
2664 [11:58:23] <Filystyn> mkie
2665 [11:58:31] <inigo> and check if the output of "date" in the machine makes sense
2666 [11:58:32] <Filystyn> apt-key replaced-url
2667 [11:58:34] <Filystyn> yes?
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2669 [11:58:36] <unborn> Clu3l355: if you host your domains with your own bind you can make propagation to work a bit faster, but this is purely optional if you fine to wait.. usually its from 10 minutes to 24 hours..im just saying :)
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2671 [11:59:32] <Clu3l355> unborn: was thinking of going that route but have a few other thing to attend to in the interim, thanks for the suggestion though :)
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2678 [12:02:07] <Filystyn> how do i check this packet again ? libaacplus2:i386 ? ? ? ?? ?
2679 [12:02:16] <Filystyn> it complains about packet not repo
2680 [12:02:17] <Filystyn> !
2681 [12:02:21] <Filystyn> !!!
2682 [12:02:21] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
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2684 [12:02:47] <monoxane> exclamation marks!
2685 [12:02:56] <Filystyn> ANYONE?!
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2689 [12:03:07] <markybob> yep. time to /ignore again. he can't learn
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2691 [12:03:15] <monoxane> lol
2692 [12:03:19] <dhex> chele! We were talking about you.
2693 [12:03:27] <Clu3l355> Filystyn: Patience is key when one is dealing with Linux
2694 [12:03:36] <chele> dhex what happened?
2695 [12:03:43] <dhex> A lot of stuff, you know...
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2704 [12:09:12] <inigo> so the issue with the "keys" was finally about Patience? ( Patience is key when one is ... )
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2706 [12:09:54] <inigo> apt-key add Patience.key
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2768 [12:37:00] <_abc_> Hello. I am on wheezy (oldstable) with kernel 3.2 updated to latest and I don't have CH353 PCI multi io card support. It works but but not all of it. I have no way to issue BREAK on the interface. Does anyone know if I can upgrade to an official wheezy kernel >3.7 somehow? Those kernels apparently support CH353
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2770 [12:37:40] <ksk> _abc_: migrating to jessie is not an option?
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2783 [12:41:05] <_abc_> No. systemd is not an option at this time.
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2785 [12:41:16] <ksk> you can uses sysv-init running jessie
2786 [12:41:22] <ksk> s/uses/use
2787 [12:41:24] <inigo> I do
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2789 [12:41:54] <_abc_> I would like to get on with what I am doing, I will upgrade real soon now [tm]. What I am doing is operating a device programmer attached to a serial port... that does not work on this system due to lacking CH353 support.
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2792 [12:41:56] <ksk> I dont even thins you get "migrated to systemd" during an dist-upgrade (but I am unsure)
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2795 [12:42:40] <ksk> _abc_: then get yourself a kernel with that support, compile it yourself? If thats "too much" for you I suggest you go to jessie..
2796 [12:42:56] <_abc_> As long as it works I have no problem with it but I have to have init scripts of the old kind for some things.
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2798 [12:43:13] <_abc_> ksk: I can do that, how hard is the config transition from 3.2 to 3.7?
2799 [12:43:16] <ksk> _abc_: you can have systemd and also use init scripts. cmon...
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2801 [12:43:30] <ksk> I dont know, im not into kernel.
2802 [12:43:41] <_abc_> I do not have the time and stamina to do this now. Tried, live dist, had problems, backed out.
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2804 [12:44:11] <markybob> _abc_: wheezy-backports has 3.16 kernel
2805 [12:44:12] <_abc_> Also usually people frown on non-debian kernel installs on debian. I will look at what's in debian for 3.7
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2808 [12:44:18] <_abc_> markybob: oh great.
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2810 [12:44:23] * _abc_ looks
2811 [12:44:27] <markybob> !tell _abc_ about backports
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2816 [12:46:34] <_abc_> Is there a nice backport howto?
2817 [12:46:43] <markybob> backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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2831 [12:50:39] <yottanami> How can I connect to a network printer in Debian?
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2833 [12:51:10] <_abc_> markybob: Do I also need the headers? I assume I will compile something or other sooner or later
2834 [12:51:21] <markybob> _abc_: then yes
2835 [12:51:37] <_abc_> yottanami: replaced-url
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2838 [12:52:38] <yottanami> I checked in CUPS web ui
2839 [12:52:49] <yottanami> It asked me to add printer in /etc/dhcpd.conf but file does not exists
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2841 [12:52:56] <yottanami> I am using Debian Sid
2842 [12:52:59] <markybob> yottanami: if you want gui method use system-config-printer
2843 [12:53:13] <markybob> yottanami: well then you're in the wrong place. go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
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2847 [12:54:32] <_abc_> markybob: do you run anything like that? I can't figure out if the new kernel breaks anything important. When I try to install it in aptitude it lights up an xmas tree of breakage and incompats. I am afraid I won't be able to back out of it afterwards if it does not go well.
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2850 [12:55:23] <MarcL> Hi, seems that iceweasel is not updating anymore, this is the message I get in the terminal: "W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
2851 [12:55:31] <markybob> _abc_: i've used backported kernels in jessie before, not wheezy. do you have a funky sources.list? pastebin it
2852 [12:55:54] <markybob> MarcL: it's firefox now
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2854 [12:56:02] <markybob> MarcL: check mozilla.debian.net for the update
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2858 [12:56:52] <_abc_> markybob: No, I just added my local country's mirror and am installing the 3.16 kernel source instead with deps. Installing the image lights up breakage related to initrd tools. I am not using an initrd at all but I feel safer compiling from source.
2859 [12:56:56] <MarcL> markybob, so I should uninstall iceweasel and install firefox?
2860 [12:57:08] <markybob> MarcL: yep
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2863 [12:57:36] <_abc_> So I am not getting the image, compiling from source instead. No problem.
2864 [12:57:42] <MarcL> markybob, thanks
2865 [12:57:56] <_abc_> markybob: thanks for the tip
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2869 [12:58:58] <markybob> _abc_: make sure you do it the debian way. look at 4.2 and 4.5 in particular replaced-url
2870 [12:59:17] <_abc_> Thanks, looking
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2873 [13:00:54] <_abc_> What does fakeroot do exactly?
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2876 [13:01:34] <markybob> _abc_: it runs a command in an environment faking root privileges for file manipulation (while remaining safe)
2877 [13:01:51] <_abc_> Bah. I trust the upstream.
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2880 [13:03:31] <plasmoduck> # mount /dev/sdb /media/storage/
2881 [13:03:32] <plasmoduck> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb,
2882 [13:03:41] <plasmoduck> Why is this happening?
2883 [13:03:44] <cisc0> hi
2884 [13:03:48] <markybob> plasmoduck: you left out the partition number
2885 [13:03:58] <markybob> plasmoduck: i assume you want /dev/sdb1
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2891 [13:04:58] <plasmoduck> markybob, oh yes I did, thanks for pointing that out :)
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2914 [13:11:54] <r00trunner> I'm coming from Archlinux which has a superb wiki. Is any official wiki for debian you can recommend?
2915 [13:12:57] <markybob> r00trunner: the official one is replaced-url
2916 [13:13:38] <MisterGadfly> It indeed was better
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2921 [13:14:21] <JyZyXEL> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/samba-libs_2%3a4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u2_amd64.deb (--unpack):
2922 [13:14:21] <dpkg> jyzyxel: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
2923 [13:14:22] <JyZyXEL> trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/libsmbd-base.so.0', which is also in package samba 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u1
2924 [13:14:24] <JyZyXEL> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
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2931 [13:14:57] <JyZyXEL> ha, did they put a broken package to stable :p
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2934 [13:15:26] <alligatorjoe> hey has anybody seen crocodile lilly
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2937 [13:15:58] <JyZyXEL> i wonder if it is because of the whole "badlock" vulnerability
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2942 [13:18:02] <Dipper> HI!
2943 [13:18:16] <Dipper> "
2944 [13:18:16] <Dipper> With this ‘completely’ random seed from my old debian." What does it mean/
2945 [13:18:42] <r00trunner> markybob: yes I know that wiki. Arch's wiki is lightyears better however.... :(
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2948 [13:19:08] <markybob> r00trunner: i agree. i link to it often.
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2950 [13:20:58] <alligatorjoe> where are the coonass girls?..has anybody seen crocodile lilly
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2954 [13:24:34] <markybob> alligatorjoe: ethnic slurs won't be tolerated.
2955 [13:24:39] <alligatorjoe> does everybody think the new $8,999 video card from nvidia using its pascal gpu technology is going to have adequate drivers for debian to save a couple of dollars on software.
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2959 [13:25:35] <alligatorjoe> mark...fuck you up your goddamn snobnose ass....i don't give a goddamn shit what you tolerate or not.
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2961 [13:26:12] <alligatorjoe> mark..you are probably one of those hardware sons of bitches that owe me a lot of money
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2973 [13:31:03] <MarcL> markybob, to unistall purge iceweasel is ok to write in the terminal: sudo apt-get purge iceweasel ?
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2977 [13:31:40] <markybob> MarcL: just do apt-get remove iceweasel. you might want to go back to it and have your config files intact still
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2983 [13:32:02] <plasmoduck> Im having trouble sharing my server to everyone on my network with Samba, can anyone recommend a good guide?
2984 [13:32:31] <MarcL> markybob, thx
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2986 [13:33:01] <slax0r> what's the free nvidia driver package called again?
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2988 [13:33:19] <markybob> !nouveau
2989 [13:33:19] <dpkg> The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for Nvidia GPUs (Riva, TNT, GeForce, Quadro). Nouveau <DRM> is part of the Linux kernel, the display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (read its README.Debian file for important notes). Install the libgl1-mesa-dri package for 3D acceleration. replaced-url
2990 [13:33:46] <slax0r> nouveau, thanks :)
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2999 [13:36:07] <ansyeblya> good day, could you possibly assist: is any of your companies enforcing policy of "no loud speaking" in openspaces(or not speaking at all, only slack ;) & meeting rooms) and issued any conventions ruling this? I could use an example
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3004 [13:37:03] <markybob> !tell ansyeblya about ot
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3020 [13:43:28] <plasmoduck> I'm also looking for something to stream music to my network
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3022 [13:43:40] <Grant_P> Hey, i'm trying to run a systemd service but the application requires root access. What am i missing?
3023 [13:43:44] <plasmoduck> So I can tune in with vlc
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3026 [13:44:18] <markybob> Grant_P: apparently root. you can use sudo if you've been given permission by the sysadmin.
3027 [13:44:27] <markybob> Grant_P: do you have the root password?
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3029 [13:44:36] <Grant_P> markybob: yep, just a raspberrypi
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3031 [13:45:17] <Grant_P> markybob: Should i add User=root?
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3035 [13:45:56] <markybob> Grant_P: just adduser to sudo group. log out and back in then sudo should work
3036 [13:46:17] <Grant_P> The application is in /usr/bin and is owned by root:root.
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3038 [13:47:22] <Grant_P> markybob: The application is in /usr/bin and is owned by root:root but systemd is having trouble to start it.
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3053 [13:51:12] <alligatorjoe> i hate cabbages and onions...man why don't you use nicks like turnip greens or chitlins
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3057 [13:52:04] <jmcnaught> Grant_P: where is the service unit file? Was the software installed by a package? If not it shouldn't be installed to /usr/bin, it belongs in /usr/local/bin. You can check the status of the unit with "systemctl status <name>" for clues why it won't start
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3061 [13:54:02] <alligatorjoe> nothing4you..who the hell would want anything from shit like you anyway.
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3063 [13:54:38] <Grant_P> jmcnaught: The service file is in /etc/systemd/system and was for a package i installed.
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3065 [13:54:42] <jmcnaught> alligatorjoe: are you sure you're in the right place? This is a Debian tech support channel, let us know if you need help.
3066 [13:55:20] <Grant_P> jmcnaught: erm well i created the .service for the package.
3067 [13:55:21] <jmcnaught> Grant_P: any clues with the status command I gave you? There's also "journalctl -x -u <name>"
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3069 [13:55:31] <alligatorjoe> jmcn...no problems encountered to comment on at this time....but these nicks in here are somethin else
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3071 [13:56:22] <jmcnaught> alligatorjoe: okay. please keep the off-topic chatting to a minimum. there are social chat channels if that's what you're looking for.
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3073 [13:56:46] <alligatorjoe> jmcn...fine by me
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3078 [13:58:52] <alligatorjoe> jmcn..there is one problem i encountered...not a serious problem but a curiosity...when attempthing to generate keys for the free enigmail software...it seems to be taking forever....is there possibly a missing chip in the hardware or something possibly pertaining to random number generation
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3085 [14:00:26] <jmcnaught> alligatorjoe: you can probably press <TAB> to autocomplete nicks in your IRC client if you want to hilight people. Generating keys can take a long time, but if you do stuff on your computer it will make entropy that speeds up the process (stuff like typing, moving the mouse, open files etc)
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3088 [14:01:38] <alligatorjoe> jmcn..i really don't care if i ever get the firefox enigma mechanisms working as the enigma machines were used in world wars to try to destroy the US....so i am indifferent to whether it ever works or not....but as a matter of curiosity i was wondering if it is usable.
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3092 [14:02:51] <jmcnaught> alligatorjoe: enigma works for me, but i made my keys on the command line.
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3096 [14:03:14] <_abc_> What's the command to tell grub to try another kernel once again, please?
3097 [14:03:17] <alligatorjoe> jmcn...okay
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3115 [14:04:24] <_abc_> ok found it
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3229 [14:11:42] <plasmoduck> Im having trouble sharing my server to everyone on my network with Samba, can anyone recommend a good guide?
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3232 [14:12:04] <plasmoduck> I followed this guide to no avail replaced-url
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3252 [14:13:46] <alligatorjoe> jmcnaught...i am waiting to see if amd will produce a polaris that can compete with nvidia's $8,999 pascal video card...nothing like competition to produce skyrocketing prices
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3257 [14:14:21] <jmcnaught> !ot
3258 [14:14:21] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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3262 [14:15:06] <alligatorjoe> dpkg...well if you spend $8,999 to avoid a blank screen on your debian system...you might want to know if there is a driver available for it
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3264 [14:15:35] <abrotman> alligatorjoe: dpkg is a bot, and we don't care about nvidia hardware unless it pertains to installing drivers
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3274 [14:17:21] <alligatorjoe> abrot...well i also mentioned the possiblity of a polaris competitor...at an unknown price right now....so i am trying not to play favorites...but to see if drivers will be available for people who need a little video and don't mind spending $8,999 to avoid a blank screen
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3277 [14:18:17] <_abc_> Interesting. grub on wheezy has no manpage for grub and no option --once ?!
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3281 [14:18:54] <jmcnaught> _abc_: "apropos" can help you find man pages
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3283 [14:19:09] <_abc_> I found them, there is no grub manpage per se...
3284 [14:19:11] <malade_mental> Hi, I'm using debian and I can't mount an sdcard on my laptop
3285 [14:19:18] <dagerik> man mount
3286 [14:19:28] <dagerik> mount /dev/sdcard /mnt/topkek
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3288 [14:19:36] <dagerik> fdisk -l
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3290 [14:19:41] <jmcnaught> malade_mental: what happens when you try?
3291 [14:19:47] <babilen> (and what do you try?)
3292 [14:19:50] <malade_mental> dagerik: Yes I know usually I do this
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3294 [14:20:07] <_abc_> grub-pc is incompatible with old grub
3295 [14:20:08] <dagerik> reboot after kernel upgrade
3296 [14:20:09] <malade_mental> so dmesg says error 110 : whilst initialising sdcard
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3298 [14:21:07] <malade_mental> and no device appears on fdisk -l
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3301 [14:21:34] <jmcnaught> malade_mental: does a different card work, and/or does this card work in a different device?
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3303 [14:22:17] <malade_mental> the card is totally ok
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3305 [14:22:47] <malade_mental> and just before I tried this one, another one was plugged and worked, now when I plug it back it doesn't work anymore
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3307 [14:23:09] <malade_mental> dmesg doesn't give anything in output now
3308 [14:23:17] <_abc_> So what's really installed on wheezy by default is grub-pc which is not grub and not grub2
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3312 [14:23:53] <malade_mental> lspci detects the card reader
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3322 [14:25:56] <malade_mental> ok, it works again and (i removed the sdhci module and modprobed it) dmesg says this : mmc0 : new sdcard at address xxxxx
3323 [14:26:16] <plasmoduck> Im having trouble sharing my server to everyone on my network with Samba, can anyone recommend a good guide?
3324 [14:26:18] <plasmoduck> I followed this guide to no avail replaced-url
3325 [14:26:40] <alligatorjoe> jmcnaught...nothing like competition to produce skyrocketing prices....video cards used to be much less expensive before amd began to compete with nvidia
3326 [14:26:42] <plasmoduck> I have configured it, but I cannot access it
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3333 [14:27:31] <jmcnaught> alligatorjoe: i'm going to no longer respond to off-topic stuff. please respect the topic.
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3343 [14:28:49] <malade_mental> it just seems that it detects the card but not the partitions (mmcblk...)
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3345 [14:29:05] <Bushman> hi
3346 [14:29:17] <dagerik> malade_mental: fdisk -l for partitions
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3348 [14:29:25] <Bushman> i have this problem:
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3350 [14:29:30] <Bushman> primus: fatal: Bumblebee daemon reported: error: [XORG] (EE) /dev/dri/card0: failed to set DRM interface version 1.4: Permission denied
3351 [14:29:42] <Bushman> i've done extensive google search, browsed forums, bug reports, etc...
3352 [14:29:49] <transylvania> hello, does any have already reported the missing fp.11.2.202.616.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc in Bart Martens http space (replaced-url
3353 [14:29:52] <Bushman> tried most of the solutions not involving reinstalling the OS
3354 [14:30:01] <Bushman> but nothing helped
3355 [14:30:18] <Bushman> can anyone try to help me please?
3356 [14:30:21] <dagerik> Bushman: sounds like you need proprietary software. because DRM. is not bundled in debian
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3358 [14:30:52] <malade_mental> dagerik: nothing more than before, still just my hard drive
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3361 [14:31:02] <jmcnaught> plasmoduck: i won't be able to help you with samba, but others will if you can provide more details. have you checked logs or can you provide troubleshooting steps you have taken? Use replaced-url
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3363 [14:31:15] <Bushman> dagerik: i'm not sure you understand the problem... the issue is with graphics card that used to work in debian
3364 [14:31:22] <dagerik> malade_mental: file -s /dev/sdcard
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3368 [14:31:28] <transylvania> the missing signature file prevents flash plugin update by update-flashplugin-nonfree script
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3372 [14:31:37] <MisterGadfly> Bushman: is your user part of the bumblebee group?
3373 [14:31:47] <malade_mental> I don't have a device /dev/sdcard...
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3376 [14:32:04] <Bushman> MisterGadfly: 1 sec, will check
3377 [14:32:06] <dagerik> Bushman: replaced-url
3378 [14:32:49] <Bushman> dagerik: yes, read that, done that, didn't help. help?
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3387 [14:34:14] <Bushman> MisterGadfly: yes, i am in the bumblebee group
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3392 [14:34:30] <malade_mental> replaced-url
3393 [14:34:39] <malade_mental> lspci -v and lsmod
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3395 [14:35:24] <dagerik> malade_mental: what does file(1) show?
3396 [14:36:01] <malade_mental> what do you mean? dagerik
3397 [14:36:10] <dagerik> file -s /dev/sdcard
3398 [14:36:14] <malade_mental> no file
3399 [14:36:20] <malade_mental> (I'm logged as root)
3400 [14:36:22] <MisterGadfly> Bushman: I just installed Debian with bumblebee + nvidia a few hours ago and it works out of the box, so you probably don't have to modify any bumblebee config files *I think* to solve your problem
3401 [14:36:26] <dagerik> is /dev/sdcard ur card??
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3406 [14:36:44] <Bushman> MisterGadfly: ok, so what would sugest?
3407 [14:36:45] <MisterGadfly> Bushman: bumblebee-nvidia package
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3409 [14:36:53] <Bushman> hmm..
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3412 [14:37:34] <malade_mental> dmesg : replaced-url
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3414 [14:37:43] <Bushman> MisterGadfly: yes, i have it. it's 3.2.1-93~vividppa1
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3416 [14:38:11] <Bushman> hmm...
3417 [14:38:20] <dagerik> malade_mental: what is the interface file for the device?
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3420 [14:38:32] <Bushman> just got this thought... maybe my repos are fed up?
3421 [14:38:50] <markybob> Bushman: yeah. that's not debian
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3423 [14:38:59] <malade_mental> I don't know dagerik it seems that there is no file like this...
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3426 [14:39:09] <dagerik> malade_mental: reboot
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3428 [14:39:30] <malade_mental> ^^
3429 [14:39:44] <malade_mental> ok fine, that's a windows-user solution but I'll do that
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3432 [14:39:49] <MisterGadfly> Bushman: what nvidia GPU do you have?
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3434 [14:40:16] <dionysus69> I accidentally deleted easy-rsa certificate files like ca.key and can I recover it somehow? I used clean-all by accident...
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3437 [14:40:45] <Bushman> MisterGadfly: lspci says: 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF117M [GeForce 610M/710M/820M / GT 620M/625M/630M/720M] (rev a1)
3438 [14:40:53] <markybob> !tell Bushman about dontbreakdebian
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3445 [14:42:02] <Bushman> markybob: tell that to people telling me to add repos from all over the internet :(
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3447 [14:42:13] <markybob> Bushman: i do
3448 [14:42:14] <_abc_> I find pc-grub one of the worst program suites I ever saw.
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3450 [14:42:22] <markybob> Bushman: and when you do that we can't support it
3451 [14:42:26] <_abc_> Was it used as an interim measure between grub and grub2?
3452 [14:42:28] <MisterGadfly> Bushman: mine's chipset is the same
3453 [14:42:38] <Bushman> hmm...
3454 [14:42:55] <Bushman> MisterGadfly: is the bumblebee in debian repos?
3455 [14:43:00] <markybob> Bushman: yes
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3457 [14:43:15] <markybob> Bushman: when you mix things though...damage might be too much already
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3459 [14:43:34] <Bushman> then why in the earth would i add ubuntu repos?
3460 [14:43:35] <markybob> Bushman: you might want to reinstall and never do that again. just use debian repos and debian bumblebee
3461 [14:43:42] <markybob> Bushman: i have no idea
3462 [14:43:58] <markybob> Bushman: i'm guessing you read some dumbass blog
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3464 [14:44:17] <MisterGadfly> Bushman: what does "dkms status" say? nvidia allright?
3465 [14:44:18] <Bushman> might have been that.
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3467 [14:44:46] <Bushman> command not found.
3468 [14:44:52] <Bushman> what package is it in?
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3470 [14:45:11] <MisterGadfly> Bushman: err, can you try reinstalling bumblebee-nvidia?
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3472 [14:45:38] <Bushman> sorry, no... wrong terminal
3473 [14:45:42] <Bushman> wasn't root
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3475 [14:45:57] <Bushman> nvidia-current, 340.96, 3.16.0-4-amd64, x86_64: installed
3476 [14:46:02] <MisterGadfly> Bushman: forgot to mention the root :D
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3478 [14:46:41] <Bushman> heh, forgot to do it in the root terminal, so we're both guilty XD
3479 [14:47:22] <markybob> Bushman: the bot just told you about bumblebee in debian
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3481 [14:47:34] <markybob> Bushman: but like i said it might be too late
3482 [14:47:45] <malade_mental> I rebooted, tried previous kernels and it still doesn't work (sdcard reader problem)
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3488 [14:48:31] <MisterGadfly> Bushman: I'm using the unstable repos, actually. Don't know if it makes a difference.
3489 [14:48:51] <Bushman> markybob: i will try to purge the bumblebee, remove the ubuntu repo and try with official repos
3490 [14:48:51] <malade_mental> what's strange is that "mmc0: new SDHC card at address b368" . Why is it using mmc0 and not sdhc ?
3491 [14:49:00] <Bushman> MisterGadfly: it might!
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3493 [14:49:17] <MisterGadfly> Bushman: wait, you installed it from an Ubuntu repo?
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3495 [14:49:29] <markybob> MisterGadfly: yes
3496 [14:50:28] <Bushman> MisterGadfly: no idea why, but i see the repo on the list
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3498 [14:50:50] <Bushman> MisterGadfly: seriously, it was years ago, no idea why i did that
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3503 [14:52:18] <MisterGadfly> Bushman: well, I'm actually new to Debian (Archlinux emigree), so can't help you with repo stuff :D
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3505 [14:52:42] <markybob> MisterGadfly: you shouldn't. we can't support mixed repos like that.
3506 [14:52:49] <markybob> !tell MisterGadfly about dontbreakdebian
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3511 [14:54:41] <malade_mental> ps aux|grep mmc returns a process that's called [irq/10-mmc0] is that normal?
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3513 [14:55:18] <malade_mental> do you think it can come from bios options?
3514 [14:55:23] <MisterGadfly> markybob: sounds serious :P
3515 [14:55:33] <markybob> MisterGadfly: it is.
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3523 [14:57:32] <tako_> Guys how can i decrease bios time on debian boot i might wait 5 seconds there if i dont press enter
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3530 [14:58:20] <ksk> whats bios time? and what should debian have to do with that
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3532 [14:58:39] <markybob> it's not bios time...it's grub wait time
3533 [14:58:44] <markybob> tako_: replaced-url
3534 [14:58:47] <ksk> like, the time it takes to the bootloader is nothing where debian is involed
3535 [14:58:56] <ksk> ah okay, you can adjust that timeout for grub :)
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3538 [14:59:58] <tako_> markybob, yes i mean this thanks
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3543 [15:01:46] <Bushman> markybob: i only would like to say that after removing the ubuntu repos and reinstalling it works fine.
3544 [15:02:04] <Bushman> markybob: maybe next time instead of being like "Don't help sinners!!! Mixing up repos is a heresy!!! Burn the witch!!!"...
3545 [15:02:05] <markybob> Bushman: you got lucky
3546 [15:02:16] <Bushman> ... maybe try and help undo the damage?
3547 [15:02:20] <markybob> Bushman: ha. you're so wrong. you'll find out
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3549 [15:02:55] <TomTomTosch> Bushman: he is right in saying it's not supported in here and for a good reason.
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3558 [15:03:07] <markybob> Bushman: you're welcome for me having offered you the right wiki/repo, though
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3568 [15:04:47] <Bushman> TomTomTosch: i understand why mixed repos can't be supported. but he could have at least sugest ways to try and undo the damage. all he did was tell me you don't suport it.
3569 [15:05:04] <markybob> Bushman: i gave you the right wiki/repo. what else do you want?
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3572 [15:05:20] <TomTomTosch> meh. move on please.
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3574 [15:05:27] <Bushman> TomTomTosch: right.
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3576 [15:05:41] <Stanto> wget : what parameter should I use when downloading a file and I want it to replace an existing file locally? I thought -O parameter may do it, but when reading the man page it appears this may not be the best parameter to use.
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3578 [15:06:21] <Bushman> bye all! c'ya next time i fubar something.
3579 [15:06:26] <Bushman> take care MisterGadfly
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3593 [15:08:10] <LunaLovegood> What do I need to watch out for if I want to run a read-only system? (all HDD partitions, but not tmpfs and removable media)
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3596 [15:08:38] <rozie> LunaLovegood: replaced-url
3597 [15:08:44] <alligatorjoe> whats with all the HP, IBM, Oracle..etc..etc...etc..licenses for a jdk or jre to use with libreoffice
3598 [15:08:47] <LunaLovegood> cool thanks
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3600 [15:09:15] <alligatorjoe> why have free office code if it needs propietary license tools
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3603 [15:10:05] <TomTomTosch> alligatorjoe: i does not, it pulls openjdk-*-jre
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3605 [15:10:15] <TomTomTosch> s/i/it
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3607 [15:10:38] <LunaLovegood> wait, this has the user home folders as RW. I want them RO after initial customizations.
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3609 [15:10:50] <alligatorjoe> TomT...whose license is openjdk...HP,IBM, Oracle...and everybody claim licenses for a jdk or jre
3610 [15:11:09] <TomTomTosch> alligatorjoe: it's licensed under GPL... i don't get your point.
3611 [15:11:57] <alligatorjoe> TomT...i don't see that detail becuase i did not download the file as the license did not say GPL but rather propietary companies
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3613 [15:12:17] <alligatorjoe> TomT...depending on whose version you want
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3615 [15:12:58] <themill> alligatorjoe: you are confusing the licence and the copyright holder.
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3618 [15:13:56] <potus> everyday a new key dont work on this keyboard.. geez..
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3627 [15:14:29] <alligatorjoe> Tom it gives links for example like replaced-url
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3629 [15:14:46] <alligatorjoe> Tom for IBM's license for example
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3635 [15:15:11] <alligatorjoe> but there are other licenses like HP, Oracle, Apple, whatever
3636 [15:15:13] <freeone3000> alligatorjoe: The vendor for Debian's OpenJDK is Debian, and it's under the GPL license.
3637 [15:15:27] <alligatorjoe> free...oh that one is debians
3638 [15:15:27] <themill> alligatorjoe: companies are not licences.
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3640 [15:15:31] <freeone3000> (You won't find a company selling it because, well, duh. The source code is exactly the same as Oracle's, it's just a different license.)
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3645 [15:16:12] <alligatorjoe> free...ok where is the tarball for the debian free version with a gpl license
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3647 [15:16:16] <freeone3000> alligatorjoe: replaced-url
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3649 [15:16:27] <themill> alligatorjoe: what are you actually trying to do?
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3651 [15:16:31] <freeone3000> alligatorjoe: There's no tarball, because they prefer you to download a mercurial forest and make it with cmake.
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3653 [15:16:45] <freeone3000> (Some might accuse them of being annoying to build on purpose.)
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3656 [15:17:01] <alligatorjoe> themill...well i have not run into any problems with libreoffice yet..but it says that some functions won't work without a jdk or jre
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3712 [15:17:51] <themill> alligatorjoe: if you want to install a jre, then install the relevant package. You probably already have.
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3787 [15:18:15] <freeone3000> alligatorjoe: Preferred packaging is the APT DEB. openjdk-jre is available in all flavors of debian.
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3793 [15:18:35] <alligatorjoe> themill..no i did not install any jre since i thought it was propietary...i did not know about debians free version
3794 [15:19:03] <themill> !dfsg
3795 [15:19:03] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at replaced-url
3796 [15:19:20] <themill> alligatorjoe: all packages in debian are free
3797 [15:19:23] <alligatorjoe> themill and for example i cannot connect to a served up database without jre or some other approach
3798 [15:19:37] <alligatorjoe> themill...but i can create a file for a database and use that
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3801 [15:19:50] <alligatorjoe> themill without a jre
3802 [15:20:27] <alligatorjoe> themill it is just an issue of i might run into those funcions which need a jre sooner or later
3803 [15:20:45] <themill> So then install openjdk now or later.
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3815 [15:21:44] <alligatorjoe> themill sounds logical to me
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3842 [15:23:29] <TomTomTosch> alligatorjoe: oracle develops openjdk as free software. do you understand that?
3843 [15:23:37] <alligatorjoe> themill but really i dont' need 32000 databases on one server
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3847 [15:24:19] <alligatorjoe> TomT...no i don't..i see several licenses involved...but i am interested in the free gpl license with no propietor that you mentioned
3848 [15:25:06] <alligatorjoe> TomT...that version might be worth investigating
3849 [15:25:13] <themill> alligatorjoe: ummm... install what you want. I don't think there's much to discuss.
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3855 [15:26:46] <alligatorjoe> themill...well like i said...i don't really need 32,000 databases on one server....i don't like to keep up with that many companies' inventories,supplier,customers,financiers, salesbyregions and whatever else each of 32,000 might want recorded
3856 [15:27:15] <themill> alligatorjoe: you're not making much sense. Perhaps stick to problems that exist rather than making new ones.
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3861 [15:28:23] <alligatorjoe> themill..no sense...you have never heard of the database business for managing thousands of databases for lots of fortune 500 companies
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3863 [15:28:48] <themill> alligatorjoe: this is #debian. Do you have a Debian user support problem we can help you with?
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3865 [15:29:22] <alligatorjoe> themill...well it is a debian issue if they have to code available to do it..even though i really don't care about it
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3871 [15:30:19] <themill> Is there some other language that you'd be happier seeking support in?
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3876 [15:31:01] <alligatorjoe> themill..yes ancient hylian
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3881 [15:31:35] <Xen0m> Hello i'm looking for new apps for my debian server. But i didn't find any good website or may i look in wrong way :/ so if you know some please let me know
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3884 [15:32:10] <freeone3000> Xen0m: "new" and "server"? really?
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3886 [15:32:19] <freeone3000> Xen0m: What are you looking for, specifically?
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3889 [15:32:32] <alligatorjoe> Xen0m...everyone is looking for new apps...even M$ said they are sick of games...and want some killer apps to help them sell their os
3890 [15:32:52] <themill> alligatorjoe: that's enough, thanks.
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3895 [15:35:17] <Xen0m> Such like openfire webchat and stuff i'm looking for evrything who can be helpfull for my business... so i've install what i really need for now but there is maybe some other who can be interesting.
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3899 [15:36:54] <_mel_> Hi. i try to define secondary ip addresses via config files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/<config>. But because the line "source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*" is placed at the begining of the file /etc/network/interfaces my main ip adress is treated as a secondary (and not the way around). is there any config parameter to define primary interface ip and secondary interface ip?
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3914 [15:42:54] <_abc_> Is initramfs absolutely necessary for booting wheezy? It appears that no special modules are needed until after boot.
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3923 [15:45:36] <shibly> Anyone there?
3924 [15:45:41] <shibly> Can i ask question?
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3927 [15:45:56] <shibly> Any debian expert here?
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3933 [15:46:38] <topyli> shibly: just ask your question and we'll see if anyone can help
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3936 [15:47:06] <shibly> A start job is running: Raise network, how can i stop this during boot?
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4083 [15:50:40] <TomTomTosch> shibly: if you are using network-manager you can remove the offending entry in /etc/network/interfaces
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4095 [15:52:49] <shibly> TomTomTosch: replaced-url
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4097 [15:53:05] <shibly> TomTomTosch: How can i know if the system is using network-manager or not?
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4125 [15:54:14] <_abc_> Is it really necessary for /boot/grub to have 209 file entries?
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4132 [15:55:01] <pulseAudioFreak> whats the best audio qualizer for linux ?
4133 [15:55:16] <shibly> _abc_: What version of debian are you using?
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4143 [15:56:53] <TomTomTosch> shibly: i'm not sure what your pppoeconf script does so i can't help you. sry.
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4145 [15:57:15] <shibly> TomTomTosch: It's pppoe internet connection
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4151 [15:57:47] <shibly> abrotman: Are you there?
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4161 [15:59:08] <abrotman> shibly: sometimes
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4169 [16:00:32] <shibly> abrotman: How can i stop: A start job is running Raise network interface during boot?
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4175 [16:01:01] <shibly> It takes arourd 56 seconds
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4180 [16:02:02] <shibly> Can anyone answer?
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4189 [16:03:47] <shibly> abrotman: ?
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4198 [16:05:31] <pulseAudioFreak> what should I do about this The following packages have unmet dependencies: pulseaudio-equalizer : Depends: python-glade2 but it is not going to be installed Depends: python-gobject but it is not going to be installed Depends: python-gnome2 but it is not going to be installed
4199 [16:05:54] <pulseAudioFreak> how can I install these files for pulse audio equalizer???
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4202 [16:06:43] <Iridos> pulseaudio-equalizer isn't a debian package
4203 [16:07:25] <dury> hi there channel :-) I'm not able to solve this by my own can someone assist me please replaced-url
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4206 [16:07:49] <Iridos> so you're just breaking your system by installing from a ppa
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4209 [16:08:24] <Iridos> pulseAudioFreak, plus, I answered you how you can have an equalizer without breaking things...
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4212 [16:08:43] <Iridos> as you ignored that answer... I don't see that a 2nd one will do anything
4213 [16:08:46] <dury> Iridos, that's for me?
4214 [16:08:52] <Iridos> nope
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4216 [16:08:57] <TomTomTosch> yes
4217 [16:09:08] <TomTomTosch> dury: to you too.
4218 [16:09:11] <Iridos> well
4219 [16:09:28] <Iridos> TomTomTosch, I'm getting good at this... answering questions I havent even read
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4221 [16:09:50] <TomTomTosch> still counts as one!
4222 [16:10:11] <dury> hey guys TomTomTosch, Iridos, can you help me to solve that please
4223 [16:10:34] <Aorious> dury: Rename '50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist' to '50unattended-upgrades'?
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4225 [16:10:39] <Iridos> don't install ubuntu packages into your debian
4226 [16:10:42] <themill> dury: what needs solving?
4227 [16:10:50] <teraflops> pulseAudioFreak: you can download qpaeq python scriot from sourceforge and install the deps from it needs. I testent it on debian jessie.
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4229 [16:10:59] <teraflops> Script*
4230 [16:11:42] <Iridos> teraflops, that's pretty much what I told him yesterday
4231 [16:11:49] <dury> drive me what to do
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4234 [16:12:00] <_abc_> shibly: version is oldstable wheezy
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4236 [16:12:02] <roe_> Is there a 'correct' place for non root users to write pid files/
4237 [16:12:03] <TomTomTosch> dury: it ignored a file as it has an invalid filename but the update still went through.
4238 [16:12:04] <teraflops> Ah OK. I can confirm it works
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4241 [16:12:11] <_abc_> shibly: and it is stock. I did not mod anything there.
4242 [16:12:13] <_abc_> 209 files
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4244 [16:12:44] <Iridos> teraflops, I know... I said so after testing it then got annoyed I wasted 15 minutes, as he was crossposting and obviously not reading stuff... just like now
4245 [16:12:57] <pulseAudioFreak> IT woks teraflops you are gold
4246 [16:12:59] <TomTomTosch> dury: but your system is seriously broken if you installed from all those sources.
4247 [16:13:01] <dury> Aorious, said to rename that file
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4249 [16:13:08] <teraflops> Heh
4250 [16:13:09] <shibly> _abc_: Update to jessi, i don't see 209 files here in /boot/grub
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4253 [16:13:37] <shibly> Can anyone answer me? How can i stop "A start job is running for lsb: Raise network interface"
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4255 [16:13:42] <shibly> during boot
4256 [16:13:45] <_abc_> Udating is not the answer. I am trying to get work done.
4257 [16:13:59] <R4F_Debian> Hi all, I had an error message when used apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get upgrade on my Debian Jessie here. Please, that anyone can help me on fix this error: replaced-url
4258 [16:14:05] <pulseAudioFreak> but how can I add more settings to it to pulse audio equalizer ?
4259 [16:14:28] <shibly> _abc_: Can you pastebin the output of ls /boot/grub ?
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4261 [16:14:46] <dury> TomTomTosch, so what I should dp then?
4262 [16:14:55] <dury> dp = do
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4265 [16:15:23] <TomTomTosch> dury: nothing. or remove that file.
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4268 [16:16:17] <shibly> Does anyone know the answer?
4269 [16:16:30] <TomTomTosch> dury: atm apt just ignores that file.
4270 [16:17:26] <teraflops> pulseAudioFreak: sorry I don't understand that question
4271 [16:17:30] <dury> TomTomTosch, so type in terminal "atm apt" ?
4272 [16:17:41] <Aorious> loool
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4274 [16:18:08] <TomTomTosch> dury: no, that was an english sentence.
4275 [16:18:13] <Aorious> dury: Atm = At the moment
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4277 [16:19:08] <_abc_> shibly: replaced-url
4278 [16:19:14] <_abc_> Not relevant. Bloatware
4279 [16:20:09] <dury> Aorious, TomTomTosch, what I have to type in terminal to solve that, then... to delete,
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4281 [16:20:23] <MisterGadfly> There are no wine-gecko and wine-mono packages?
4282 [16:20:31] <Aorious> dury: There is nothing to solve, it is just a warning.
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4284 [16:20:49] <TomTomTosch> dury: rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist
4285 [16:20:51] <shibly> _abc_: What do you want to do? Do those files hurt you?
4286 [16:20:55] <_abc_> Recap: pc-grub has got to go; the kernel options for wheezy need clarification since a stock kernel won't recognize a UUID specified root dev in despite of using the old config.
4287 [16:21:02] <_abc_> shibly: they are confusing and consume space
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4289 [16:21:21] <shibly> _abc_: What's the capacity of your hard disk?
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4291 [16:22:10] <shibly> _abc_: And the size of your debian wheezy partition?
4292 [16:22:13] <Aorious> dury: What TomTomTosch would prevent the warning or you can just ignore it.
4293 [16:22:35] <Iridos> judd, versions samba-libs
4294 [16:22:36] <judd> Package: samba-libs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch: 2:4.3.6+dfsg-1; sid: 2:4.3.7+dfsg-1; experimental: 2:4.4.1+dfsg-1
4295 [16:22:38] <TomTomTosch> dury: or 'mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d/50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist /some/directory' if you later remember what that file was for.
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4297 [16:23:02] <pulseAudioFreak> teraflops like "windows" surround sound, noise regulation, natural hearing, ... the checkpoints you could add on windows sound settings
4298 [16:23:07] <pulseAudioFreak> like virtual surround...
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4301 [16:23:22] <dury> replaced-url
4302 [16:23:38] <themill> R4F_Debian: either ignore it until a fixed package is released or force dpkg to overwrite the file. /msg dpkg force-overwrite
4303 [16:23:45] <Aorious> dury, sudo ...
4304 [16:23:50] <teraflops> pulseAudioFreak: go use jack
4305 [16:23:57] <dury> did as a root
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4307 [16:24:17] <dury> it gave me that result
4308 [16:24:28] <unborn> dury: cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and then ls
4309 [16:24:29] <Aorious> dury: Sorry, I misread that.
4310 [16:24:49] <unborn> dury: if you would not see that file then its not there
4311 [16:25:24] <_abc_> shibly: not relevant, I use about 7 partitions iirc
4312 [16:25:42] <TomTomTosch> dury: nvm, i can't read. what is /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist supposed to do for you?
4313 [16:25:44] <pulseAudioFreak> teraflops what is jack ?
4314 [16:26:08] <pulseAudioFreak> teraflops I have headphones that are plugged inside my notebook and I use qubes os
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4316 [16:27:22] <Aorious> pulseAudioFreak, Jack is like PulseAudio. replaced-url
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4322 [16:28:34] <dury> replaced-url
4323 [16:28:45] <dury> is that directory
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4326 [16:29:13] <TomTomTosch> dury: looks like the package unattended-upgrades is putting it there. looks like a bug.
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4329 [16:30:12] <_abc_> So from wheezy on at least (I am still on etch on some machines) it is not possible to build a kernel out of tree since most basic device drivers are not built into the kernel but as modules, and an initrd.img is needed, having the necessary scripts and modules on it to even boot the system.
4330 [16:30:21] <teraflops> pulseAudioFreak: I do not know what qubes os is, also qpaeq has what it has do you happen to see there such functionalities youre looking for?
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4332 [16:30:44] <dury> TomTomTosch, so remove that file 50... blabla
4333 [16:30:51] <TomTomTosch> dury: replaced-url
4334 [16:30:52] <judd> Bug replaced-url
4335 [16:30:54] <_abc_> Looks like we are going to part company real soon if it goes on like this.
4336 [16:31:09] <TomTomTosch> dury: no, i'd just wait for a fix. it does no harm.
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4341 [16:32:07] <dury> but can't upgrade the system
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4343 [16:32:47] <TomTomTosch> dury: but you can. it didn't stop the update.
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4346 [16:33:07] <sharp15> is there a way to make a debian laptop connect to the wireless network without a logged in user?
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4348 [16:33:16] <dury> can' t install audacious for instance
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4352 [16:33:42] <dury> TomTomTosch, need audacious, gessss
4353 [16:33:56] <dury> TomTomTosch, how can
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4356 [16:34:00] <teraflops> sharp15: yes
4357 [16:34:06] <unborn> sharp15: im not sure.. as network passwords are usually stored in users profile which mean such a one should be logged in
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4359 [16:34:12] <TomTomTosch> dury: so what does apt-get install audacious say?
4360 [16:34:14] <teraflops> sharp15: more than one
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4363 [16:34:44] <sharp15> teraflops: is there a set of keywords i should be searching for? google isn't helping much.
4364 [16:34:46] <dury> TomTomTosch, one second
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4366 [16:35:03] <TomTomTosch> dury: i bet you have problems installing software. your system is broken with all the ubuntu ppas in there.
4367 [16:35:15] <teraflops> sharp15: set it up in /etc/network/interfaces or use NM
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4369 [16:35:32] <sharp15> teraflops: ok. thanks.
4370 [16:35:40] <unborn> teraflops: thanks as well :)
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4373 [16:36:36] <dury> TomTomTosch, replaced-url
4374 [16:36:51] <teraflops> sharp15: you can use nmtui as root in a headless machine
4375 [16:36:54] <teraflops> np
4376 [16:37:22] <dury> TomTomTosch, what would you do?
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4378 [16:37:34] <TomTomTosch> dury: your system is broken, 50unattended-upgrades.ucf-dist is not the problem.
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4385 [16:38:14] <TomTomTosch> dury: i'd reinstall the system and not add ubuntu sources.
4386 [16:38:28] <dury> TomTomTosch, delete all and start from zero or what?
4387 [16:38:28] <TomTomTosch> !tell dury about frankendebian
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4389 [16:38:35] <TomTomTosch> dury: yes.
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4391 [16:38:45] <dury> gesssss
4392 [16:39:09] <dury> again from zero
4393 [16:39:16] <dury> gesssssss
4394 [16:39:22] <dury> :-(
4395 [16:39:26] <TomTomTosch> !tell dury about dont break debian
4396 [16:39:33] <dury> anyway
4397 [16:39:38] <bezaban> dpkg is gone I think
4398 [16:40:39] <phy1729> dury: (frankendebian) When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
4399 [16:40:46] <unborn> dury: I suggest you to install /home under separate partition..
4400 [16:40:55] <teraflops> dury: at least you learned something
4401 [16:40:55] <phy1729> I don't know if I have don't break debian
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4405 [16:41:47] <dury> teraflops, you absolutely right
4406 [16:42:18] <zykotick9> phy1729: <dontbreakdebian> just links to replaced-url
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4410 [16:45:35] <dury> so no google-chrome in debian...
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4413 [16:46:08] <dury> mmmm no java-oracle
4414 [16:46:10] <Aorious> What is a lesser evil? Installing directly from a website or frankendebian?
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4416 [16:46:21] <teraflops> dury: thanks god, there is chromium though
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4418 [16:46:46] <dury> chromium stands flash too?
4419 [16:46:49] <teraflops> dury: thanks good, there is openjdk though²
4420 [16:47:04] <teraflops> dury: use pepperflash
4421 [16:47:10] <unborn> dury: you can still install google chrome in debian
4422 [16:47:56] <dury> spotify in jessie, yes or not
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4425 [16:48:13] <dury> mmmm.... skype?
4426 [16:48:15] <pulseAudioFreak> teraflops I have jack-1.9.10.tar.bz2 how can I intsll it now what command to type in terminal?
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4430 [16:48:31] <teraflops> unborn: he comes from a frankendebian ... I better do not advice him to install shit from 3rd party repos .run files etc etc :p
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4432 [16:48:49] <bhhiui> anyone else having a problem updating flash
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4435 [16:49:10] <bhhiui> or hasn't the security team worked on the update yet?
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4440 [16:49:48] <teraflops> pulseAudioFreak: hey, I mean the low latency sound system for pro audio mixing
4441 [16:49:56] <unborn> teraflops: ah did not know that.. however I am sorryt to say that chromium did not worked for me.. shit from 3rd party (chrome) did its job :) but you are right
4442 [16:49:57] <jelly> dselect: dont break debian
4443 [16:49:57] <dselect> dont break debian is, like, replaced-url
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4446 [16:50:11] <teraflops> unborn: nah heh it's ok
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4448 [16:51:22] <crocodilelilly> is that you alligatorjoe...did you finally get firefoxwearlybirdchatzillaenigmachine working on debian
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4450 [16:52:07] <alligatorjoe> crocodilelilly...yes that is me i sure did....did you get empathy working on the other linux
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4456 [16:52:34] <crocodilelilly> alligatorjoe...yes i sure did...this is empathy right here
4457 [16:52:35] <pulseAudioFreak> teraflops ? low latency how can I install it now ? jack-1.9.10.tar.bz2
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4461 [16:53:02] <tuxcrafter> hi all, i had a security update with samba today and now i am getting NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED from my localhost with net rpc commands, i am trying to search through debian bugs but how can I search on "NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED" in all samba bugs?
4462 [16:53:03] <teraflops> pulseAudioFreak: read carefully prior installing anything that someone randomly advices you (like I did :P) and see if it's what you're looking for
4463 [16:53:13] <bhhiui> seriously, how do we update flash? isn't the security update released yet??
4464 [16:53:27] <bhhiui> that's crazy O_o
4465 [16:53:33] <teraflops> pulseAudioFreak: stop downloading random bz2 files ....
4466 [16:53:37] <pulseAudioFreak> teraflops im using qubes operating system and create a virtual machine each time for testing ayhow
4467 [16:53:50] <pulseAudioFreak> how can I install that thing ? teraflops
4468 [16:53:59] <teraflops> pulseAudioFreak: please read what I said
4469 [16:54:01] <tuxcrafter> this is on debian 7.10 btw
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4477 [16:55:42] <bhhiui> anyone?
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4482 [16:56:13] <teraflops> bhhiui: flash as in flashplugin?
4483 [16:56:17] <bhhiui> yes
4484 [16:56:22] <teraflops> uhhg
4485 [16:56:34] <bhhiui> hm?
4486 [16:56:39] <dury> I will consider all those things guys thanks for you suggestions, cheeerssss
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4488 [16:57:11] <teraflops> dury: take care of you and your sources.list :P
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4493 [16:57:46] <dury> teraflops, skype?
4494 [16:57:57] <dury> agree in debian?
4495 [16:58:13] <bhhiui> teraflops: should I just use the update from the website? why isn't it updating?
4496 [16:58:20] <dury> I guess so ... absolutely not
4497 [16:58:21] <teraflops> dury: yes
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4499 [16:58:45] <petemc> anyone know why vim-nox would stop doing proper perl synyax highlighting and revert to vim-basic type highlighting where code is all just one colour?
4500 [16:58:48] <teraflops> bhhiui: do you really need flashplayer?
4501 [16:59:06] <petemc> have purged and reinstalled vim-nox, the symlink is correct
4502 [16:59:10] <jelly> bhhiui: I just install new chrome from google's repo, what fails to work for you?
4503 [16:59:36] <dury> if I need flash I will use google-chrome
4504 [16:59:38] <bhhiui> teraflops: yes
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4506 [16:59:43] <tharkun> I recently isntalled light-locker but I am unable to find where to configure it. Can someno slap me on the right direction?
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4508 [17:00:02] <jelly> dury: it's the actual source for flash for linux anyway
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4513 [17:00:47] <dury> wish flash to disappear
4514 [17:00:57] <bhhiui> jelly: I have contrib and I can't update
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4517 [17:01:19] <bhhiui> well, I can, but the plugin says it's still vulnerable
4518 [17:01:26] <bhhiui> so it's not updating
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4523 [17:02:17] <jelly> remove that one completely, I guess
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4525 [17:02:44] <bhhiui> I did, and reinstalled it from contrib again
4526 [17:02:45] <dury> deb-multimedia sources... yes or not?
4527 [17:02:47] <bhhiui> not updating
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4530 [17:03:15] <teraflops> bhhiui: are you talking about flashplugin package?
4531 [17:03:23] <dury> have to go
4532 [17:03:25] <bhhiui> yes teraflops, the nonfree one
4533 [17:03:30] <the_other_cat> Hello, I face an annoying problem with iceweasel, which always opens downloaded PDF files with gimp instead of my default PDF reader (zathura). I know I can edit /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache to enfore zathura (which works), but after rebooting gimp is again the first associated application for PDFs. Any thoughts what causes this? Whats confusing to me is that the mentioned file is owned by
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4536 [17:03:36] <the_other_cat> root so I think icewaesel can't write it?!
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4538 [17:03:49] <teraflops> bhhiui: do not use it is what jelly is trying to tell you I think
4539 [17:03:53] <erkun-> I'm trying to clone with drbl network , but fails because I have connected a disk and is called " sda " , is there any way to change "sda " to " sdb" or " hda "?
4540 [17:03:53] <erkun-> Because the clone seeks hdd as " sdb" on the other computer and another computer disk mounts it as "sda "
4541 [17:04:06] <teraflops> theres pepperflash thing this days
4542 [17:04:14] <bhhiui> teraflops: what's a good alternative?
4543 [17:04:28] <bhhiui> ah ok
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4547 [17:04:36] <bhhiui> does it work just as well?
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4552 [17:04:55] <teraflops> bhhiui: no idea i do not use flash
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4564 [17:06:18] <teraflops> bhhiui: replaced-url
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4568 [17:06:41] <jelly> something something browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash ?
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4577 [17:10:03] <cluelessperson> How do you change the root emails that go out?
4578 [17:10:04] <bhhiui> jelly: teraflops it says browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash is not trusted
4579 [17:10:11] <Sgt_Pinback> Hi. Is there a console program which will give me the name of the country when I give it it's code on the commandline? (eg country uk)
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4582 [17:10:35] <cluelessperson> some employees from other departments are getting emails from some servers and I need to correct it
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4584 [17:11:56] <tharkun> cluelessperson: What do you mean by that? the root messages sent when apt installs a program?
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4587 [17:12:49] <tharkun> Each mail has its envelope you need to analyze each envelope to understand what/who is sending the messages so you can figure out how to correct it.
4588 [17:12:53] <petemc> cluelessperson: /etc/aliases, most commonly
4589 [17:12:54] <cluelessperson> tharkun, In this case it's a warning that /var partition is full
4590 [17:12:58] <dionysus69> how do I investigate what are some services for?
4591 [17:13:14] <tharkun> dionysus69: google will surely have the answer.
4592 [17:13:18] <dionysus69> for example I am wondering what are virtual box services for? I am using it once in a while to run it
4593 [17:13:30] <dionysus69> google didnt help, it didnt explain what they were for tharkun
4594 [17:13:42] <dionysus69> nor virtualbox documentation mention services
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4596 [17:13:50] <tharkun> cluelessperson: check for cronjobs that check the partitions. and then check your alias maps according to your mta set up.
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4601 [17:14:13] <cluelessperson> tharkun, this seems to be your typical system message I think
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4603 [17:15:15] <tharkun> cluelessperson: There ar no "typical system messages" someon set it up. Now it is your turn to fix it. I strongly recommend a dive to /var/log/mail.info to see who sent it and then dig back from there.
4604 [17:15:27] <dionysus69> btw if you guys help me setup my dovecot postfix integration, I wouldn't know how to thank you. I have postfix with default settings workings but I tried like 4 different guides of postfix/dovecot integration and none worked
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4607 [17:16:21] <tharkun> dionysus69: There is a #postfix @chat.freenode.net and a #dovecot read the replaced-url
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4609 [17:16:39] <tharkun> Even dovecot has an integration guide to postfix.
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4612 [17:17:34] <dionysus69> :\ ok will give it one more shot hahaha
4613 [17:17:41] <jelly> I would know how to thank me: $100/hr :-)
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4615 [17:17:56] <han-solo> evil laugh!
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4620 [17:19:29] <cluelessperson> tharkun, bunch of error messages, but no indication of who sent the mail
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4623 [17:20:00] <abrotman> guess he got an answer :(
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4627 [17:20:45] <tharkun> cluelessperson: grep the email address of the recipient and start digging from the mail id you will eventually see the entry point with the appropiate credentials and there is your guilty party.
4628 [17:20:53] <unborn> cluelessperson: whats the email they coming from? like root@hostname of the computer?
4629 [17:20:55] <cluelessperson> dionysus69, Email is a bitch
4630 [17:21:10] <tharkun> cluelessperson: email is a way of living :)
4631 [17:21:17] <cluelessperson> unborn, "notifications" @ host-mycompany.com
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4634 [17:21:41] <unborn> cluelessperson: yes that should be correct
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4636 [17:21:56] <tharkun> cluelessperson: The full line of the entry point will tell you if it was sent using sendmail program or something else
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4639 [17:22:11] <unborn> my srv sends it out as root@...
4640 [17:22:12] <cluelessperson> tharkun, dionysus69 The email standard is old, decrepid, difficult, and the email programs available are trash to setup and lack maturity. It shouldn't be that difficult to setup.
4641 [17:22:30] <cluelessperson> tharkun, entry point?
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4647 [17:24:31] <tharkun> An email enters your mail queue through different entries. one of them is sendmail, the other might be a milter, 127.0.0.1:587 or the standard 25 port.
4648 [17:25:49] <tharkun> Check crontabs, alias maps and anything that might redirect to that specified user. If you are unable to find the apropiate log entries then go to the user desktop and inspect the email headers.
4649 [17:26:48] <tharkun> And then compare the apropiate logs to the timestamp and serial identification of the email so you can trace it back. Most of the time either the envelope address or the authorized user will give you a good clue on how to fix it.
4650 [17:27:56] <tharkun> dionysus69: replaced-url
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4653 [17:29:24] <dionysus69> tharkun: thanks :)
4654 [17:30:32] <dionysus69> but actually I am already familiar with postfix part enough. I can send and receive email, it just gets delievered in /var/mail some play. I just want to put usable interface on it with help of dovecot
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4665 [17:34:41] <tharkun> dionysus69: lmtp is your friend use it to deliver to dovecot and let it run. Dovecot will provide an imap/pop3 capabilities to your users so they can read from their clients.
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4667 [17:35:07] <tharkun> If you want an http interface look up roundcube it is a nice web front to send/recieve email.
4668 [17:35:50] <tharkun> Let me beat the crap out of my notes and I will give you a nicely written document to set everything nicely.
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4670 [17:35:57] <cluelessperson> I can't tell where these emails are coming from
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4673 [17:36:48] <MeanEYE> Is there anything special I need to do for Debian Testing to install it on UEFI machine?
4674 [17:36:56] <tharkun> cluelessperson: Then go to the user and inspect the envelope of the email. That information is there.
4675 [17:37:00] <teraflops> and use sasl TLS and sane certificate
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4677 [17:37:57] <teraflops> MeanEYE: apart boot in UEFI mode?
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4680 [17:38:32] <elysium> how can I delete every GPG Key in one command? gpg --delete-key wants an ID..
4681 [17:38:38] <dionysus69> tharkun: if you can guide me through all the process I promise I will teach 3 more people about this :D
4682 [17:39:00] <dionysus69> << googling lmtp
4683 [17:39:02] <tharkun> dionysus69: You have got a PM
4684 [17:39:08] <MeanEYE> teraflops, you mean UEFI only mode?
4685 [17:39:18] <teraflops> only?
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4693 [17:40:31] <MeanEYE> teraflops, there's with Legacy support, which I tried and GRUB did stupid things.
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4696 [17:40:52] <MeanEYE> teraflops, UEFI + Legacy, and it probably chose legacy from the two. That's why I asked UEFI only mode.
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4698 [17:41:25] <teraflops> MeanEYE: since legacy means do as it was BIOS
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4701 [17:42:19] <teraflops> MeanEYE: enable UEFI mode, I'm not aware at every UEFI implementation menu/options/etc just disable secure boot but let UEFI enabled
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4706 [17:43:24] <teraflops> MeanEYE: ah then it sound you want UEFI only
4707 [17:43:39] <teraflops> MeanEYE: btw do you do dual boot?
4708 [17:43:39] <MeanEYE> teraflops, but then it doesn't show bootable USB :/
4709 [17:43:48] <MeanEYE> No. I want any mention of Winblows gone.
4710 [17:43:59] <teraflops> MeanEYE: tell your firmware to boot from the usb
4711 [17:44:18] <teraflops> MeanEYE: btw what are you booting?
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4713 [17:45:07] <MeanEYE> teraflops, Debian Testing, I don't have option of selecting USB as boot if legacy is disbled.
4714 [17:45:08] <teraflops> debian live isos do not do UEFI I believe, just use the installer ones
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4718 [17:45:36] <MeanEYE> teraflops, it is installer for Debian Testing.
4719 [17:45:43] <teraflops> MeanEYE: then no idea sorry
4720 [17:45:52] <MeanEYE> teraflops, Thanks, I'll figure it out I think.
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4724 [17:46:09] <MeanEYE> Stupid Google gives me wrong answers to search for Debian Testing, assumes I want wheezy or something.
4725 [17:46:10] <teraflops> MeanEYE: tried with a jessie iso?
4726 [17:46:28] <MeanEYE> teraflops, No. I want testing on these machines.
4727 [17:46:35] <cluelessperson> tharkun, I'm looking at the original email, not sure what I'm looking for in the metadata
4728 [17:46:42] <teraflops> MeanEYE: debian does UEFI since ... well years
4729 [17:47:07] <teraflops> MeanEYE: the preferred way is installing a minimal system and then dist-upgrade
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4738 [17:49:00] <tharkun> cluelessperson: An email is like an onion the first header is the last added look for Received: headers
4739 [17:49:05] <teraflops> EFI*^
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4741 [17:49:26] <frozengeek> Hey quick Q, how do I build a deb package without having an orig.tar? If i run debuild locally it complains and I press "Y" to continue anyway, and it works, but when building on our jenkins it doesn't really work. (as jenkins can't type the "Y")
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4745 [17:50:24] <jelly> frozengeek: why debuild and not dpkg-buildpackage directly?
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4747 [17:51:05] <frozengeek> jelly: don't really know :-) (I'm not a star in debian packaging)
4748 [17:51:23] <tharkun> !ssb
4749 [17:51:24] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
4750 [17:51:28] <jelly> do you only want to build, or do you plan on uploading both source and binary debs somewhere?
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4756 [17:52:53] <frozengeek> jelly: I want to build and upload those packages to our internal repos. (on every git push, with a version number we sed into the changlog just before building)
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4759 [17:53:42] <cluelessperson> tharkun, Received: from [192.168.2.13] (helo=jhamilton)
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4761 [17:54:19] <unborn> guys.. is it possible to have pptp vpn server to be able to connect to my internal network but without internet?
4762 [17:54:55] <tharkun> cluelessperson: There you go. now look for the user. ( Bets are running that is an infected computer)
4763 [17:55:13] <unborn> I mean user via internet to my vpn to browse my home server.. but not internet while is on vpn or use his own internet..not via my vpn..
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4765 [17:55:30] <frozengeek> jelly: but running dpkg-buildpackage seems to do the trick. (I was just following some howtos I found, and they all use debuild)
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4768 [17:56:03] <tharkun> unborn: That set up beats the purpose of the vpn although it can be done. Depending on the piece of software you are setting it up.
4769 [17:56:08] <cluelessperson> tharkun, I don't think that user exists on that server.
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4774 [17:56:58] <tharkun> cluelessperson: You are a forensic analyzer now. Don't think. Go and check. You are looking for facts, strong evidence to find the guilty party.
4775 [17:57:17] <cluelessperson> tharkun, cat /etc/passwd | grep jham nothing
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4778 [17:58:34] <tharkun> So there is no systemuser with that name.
4779 [17:58:45] <tharkun> What mta is running there?
4780 [17:59:20] <tharkun> grep jhamiltor /var/log/mail.info
4781 [17:59:37] <teraflops> if the system is misconfigured is quite easy send emails with whatever user, or it's just there are virtual users then they are not meant to be in /etc/passwd
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4783 [18:00:07] <cluelessperson> tharkun, nothing back
4784 [18:00:14] <cluelessperson> teraflops, I don't think we use virtual users
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4790 [18:01:48] <cluelessperson> tharkun, mailcap is installed
4791 [18:01:52] <tharkun> So it is an unauthorized server. You need to ask your mailadmin to disable the sendmail program and force authorization to that server.
4792 [18:02:29] <tharkun> cluelessperson: Sorry I'm totally unfamiliar with mailcap therefore your mailadmin suggestion.
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4794 [18:02:47] <tharkun> bbl
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4796 [18:03:02] <cluelessperson> tharkun, It was a valid warning message. The /var/ partition was low on space. I inherited this server room to fix up
4797 [18:03:15] <cluelessperson> such a shit setup lol
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4806 [18:08:10] <Aorious> How do prevent Gnome showing me errors, when I eject this device? Command-Line, Verbose Output: replaced-url
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4811 [18:10:52] <cluelessperson> tharkun, well I'm going to grep and search for "jham" in EVERY file on the filesystem then.
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4817 [18:13:07] <_abc_> Did debian ever intend to make the debian systems too complex to maintain by "outsiders"?
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4821 [18:13:48] <mtn> _abc_: how can you maintain anything if you don't know how to use it or maintain it?
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4826 [18:15:40] <_abc_> Non sequitur. Remember I have worked with linux systems since 1995, slack, suse, debian, and some others. And before that with other non unix systems, and with sunos, bsd, junos, you name it. I am not asking this as a troll or out of boredom. When the boot systems of a classic *nix clone move from 3 dozen scripts to 500 binary files between 3 versions something is wrong. Note I am posting this on an etch whi
4827 [18:15:46] <_abc_> ch was once knoppix and is now maintained ...
4828 [18:15:49] <_abc_> ... by hand.
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4830 [18:16:27] <thurstylark> I'm trying to cross-compile for armhf (raspberry pi), and need libglib2.0-dev:armhf, but apt wants to remove the amd64 versions of the packages. Is there a way for them to coexist? I would like to compile the same thing for amd64 and armhf.
4831 [18:16:34] <_abc_> Somewhere between etch and wheezy massive bloat set in. Imho. Imnsho.
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4843 [18:22:08] <freeone3000> _abc_: systemd is what did it, then.
4844 [18:22:33] <_abc_> No, that is on top of it and urelated.
4845 [18:22:37] <_abc_> +n
4846 [18:23:08] <_abc_> More examples: starting xdm in a properly remoted ssh -X -Y shell starts it on a tty on the remote machine not on the ssh forwarded connection
4847 [18:23:18] <_abc_> Breaking *nix step by step, are we
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4849 [18:23:35] <mtn> snore
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4884 [18:38:09] <badtux> hi
4885 [18:38:10] <badtux> all
4886 [18:38:14] <badtux> how are you
4887 [18:38:32] <greycat> Will be better when you stop hitting Enter instead of Space.
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4893 [18:39:09] <anticitizen> names
4894 [18:39:12] <badtux> exit
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4896 [18:39:18] <lordarkmemo> hi
4897 [18:39:21] <anticitizen> hi
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4900 [18:40:05] <dontknow> you made him away
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4903 [18:41:04] <anticitizen> anyone use ircii?
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4905 [18:41:33] <dontknow> anticitizen, ask your question
4906 [18:41:36] <jelly> ,v ircii
4907 [18:41:37] <greycat> ,popcon ircii
4908 [18:41:38] <judd> Package: ircii on amd64 -- squeeze: 20051015-2.3; jessie: 20060725-1; wheezy: 20060725-1; stretch: 20151120-1; sid: 20151120-1
4909 [18:41:39] <judd> Popcon data for ircii: inst: 443, vote: 74, old: 346, recent: 23, nofiles: 0
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4911 [18:41:49] <greycat> Approximately 23 people.
4912 [18:41:55] <dontknow> lol
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4914 [18:42:02] <anticitizen> heh
4915 [18:42:26] <dontknow> ,popcon mpv
4916 [18:42:27] <judd> Popcon data for mpv: inst: 4086, vote: 1822, old: 1413, recent: 850, nofiles: 1
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4918 [18:42:47] <jelly> 2006 something... then 2015 something, with no release between makes a prospective user slightly concerned
4919 [18:42:47] <anticitizen> was wondering if it was possible to connect to multiple channels with the same nick. i've got several instances running in differentterminal windows, but i am forced to use a different nick for each one
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4921 [18:43:04] <greycat> You always have the same nick in ALL the channels on a single network.
4922 [18:43:10] <jelly> anticitizen: irssi is used a lot more.
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4925 [18:43:33] <anticitizen> thanks, i'll look into that, i just picked a client from apt-cache search
4926 [18:43:38] <greycat> If you run multiple IRC clients, then each one must have a separate identity.
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4928 [18:43:49] <greycat> If you want multiple terminals all to share the same client, use tmux or screen.
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4935 [18:44:14] <dontknow> hexchat is simple and great
4936 [18:44:27] <jelly> or use a client with its own frontend/backend architecture (I'm not saying client-server)
4937 [18:44:35] <Delf> In the settings, the default keyboard shortcut in gnome to log out is ctrl+alt delete. When I hit it, it wants to shutdown the computer instead of logging out. Is this a bug or have I misunderstood something?
4938 [18:44:53] <anticitizen> I was looking for something for commandline. I'll check out irssi
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4942 [18:45:12] <anticitizen> with any luck i'll be back in a few
4943 [18:45:14] <greycat> irssi is what I use.
4944 [18:45:23] <thurstylark> anticitizen: personally, I run weechat on my vps in a screen session, and connect to it with an alias that I built: replaced-url
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4947 [18:45:36] <anticitizen> thanks. what's the syntax for connecting?
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4950 [18:46:02] <teraflops> thurstylark: weechat has relay mode I like it
4951 [18:46:57] <greycat> ircii was generally replaced by epic4 which was replaced by irssi, kinda like how elm was replaced by mutt.
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4954 [18:47:23] <anticitizen> gotcha
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4956 [18:48:02] <anticitizen> trying to force myself to get more comfortable without x-windows
4957 [18:48:23] <thurstylark> anticitizen: with the alias I linked you, weechat gets aliased to 'mosh vps -- screen -dr weechat' if it's not installed on the local machine. This also requires that weechat be running in a screen session named "weechat" which is taken care of with a systemd service on my server.
4958 [18:48:30] <jelly> greycat: and mutt by thunderbird
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4961 [18:48:38] <teraflops> in the beginning it was bitchx
4962 [18:48:53] <greycat> wtf is a thunderbird, and no, bitchx was never on the same track.
4963 [18:48:57] <greycat> !bitchx
4964 [18:48:58] <dpkg> BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat> for alternatives. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>.
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4968 [18:49:18] <anticiti1en> here i am
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4971 [18:49:32] <teraflops> I meant bitch is older than irssi, I wonder
4972 [18:49:32] <anticiti1en> on irssi now. that was pretty intuitive
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4974 [18:49:52] <greycat> bitchx was like a fork, by and for l33t 14 year old kiddies.
4975 [18:50:12] <thurstylark> worth mentioning that the setup I mentioned will work just as well with irssi :P
4976 [18:50:13] <teraflops> heh
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4983 [18:50:44] <anticiti1en> thanks, i'll check it out
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4985 [18:51:05] <greycat> google says thunderbird is a mozilla thing, and it looks like a GUI app. that obviously won't replace mutt/elm.
4986 [18:51:15] <tjcarter> I still use znc as it can relay for more than just weechat and is a known, solid quantity
4987 [18:51:20] <anticiti1en> mozilla's dropping thunderbird
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4989 [18:51:54] * tjcarter wonders why anyone would replace mutt
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4991 [18:52:07] <jelly> greycat: au contraire, that already replaced mutt and elm with all the normal people
4992 [18:52:26] <greycat> I don't think normal means what you think it means.
4993 [18:52:30] <anticiti1en> greycat, do you know how to filter out the join/leave notifications in irssi?
4994 [18:52:37] <greycat> Nope. Ask #irssi.
4995 [18:52:47] <anticiti1en> in ircii the command /ignore * crap worked to filter them
4996 [18:52:51] * tjcarter still uses a variant of the Pine-like config he was posting to debian-devel back in 1998 to help people migrate away from the rather non-free at the time UW code
4997 [18:52:52] <anticiti1en> will do
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5000 [18:53:21] <thurstylark> anticiti1en: weechat has a smart filter that will only show join/part for people who have talked in the last so many minutes.
5001 [18:53:22] <teraflops> tjcarter: I do weechat relay and I'm fine I can connect from different devices/OS since it does weechat/IRC protocols
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5003 [18:53:29] <MeanEYE> teraflops, could it be that I have to install 64bit system? And 32bit is not supported by UEFI?
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5005 [18:53:50] <tjcarter> teraflops: I may have to become interested in that then. I do like weechat and find it mostly complete
5006 [18:53:55] <greycat> Why would you want to install a 32bit system if you have a choice?
5007 [18:54:00] <jelly> weechat and, I think, quassel, are examples of irc clients with their own client/server archittecture
5008 [18:54:01] <tjcarter> still wish it could replay notifications while away
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5010 [18:54:19] <teraflops> MeanEYE: I dont think so, unless youre running and old as hell macbook or something like that
5011 [18:54:23] <LtL> anticiti1en: /ignore #debian joins parts quits
5012 [18:54:27] <MeanEYE> teraflops, thanks
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5014 [18:54:42] <tjcarter> also weechat's /ignore is a little rough.
5015 [18:55:14] <anticiti1en> looks like it's "/ignore * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS"
5016 [18:56:11] <jelly> ignoring nick changes is
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5018 [18:56:21] <jelly-work> sometimes problematic
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5021 [18:56:37] <tjcarter> I thought irssi had more or less been orphaned upstream a couple of years ago. Someone picked it up?
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5023 [18:56:59] <teraflops> tjcarter: I did time ago a still working tutorial for that, since I couldn't find any info with all the pieces together. replaced-url
5024 [18:57:15] <cluelessperson> I'm having difficulty tracking down the source of an email
5025 [18:57:23] <tjcarter> teraflops: I'll have a look, thanks. I'm about to go into a phone meeting
5026 [18:57:28] <teraflops> np
5027 [18:57:29] <cluelessperson> from a specific server
5028 [18:57:37] <greycat> cluelessperson: read the headers, bottom to top, looking specifically at Received:
5029 [18:58:02] <greycat> The bottom-most Received: header is the first one. Each new one goes on top of that.
5030 [18:58:09] <tjcarter> For me the issue with znc of course is that I have ... several nets. And weechat's logging isn't ideal.
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5032 [18:58:58] <tjcarter> And of course it's being logged on a little pi across town that requires three layers of sshing to reach. I really oughtta fix that, but I worry that Raspbian jessie doesn't get security fixes fast enough to do that.
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5034 [18:59:14] <tjcarter> anyway, I haz meeting
5035 [18:59:17] <jelly> tjcarter: I'm connected with 3 clients to 3 networks with znc. A bit complex with 1.4 but 1.6 is supposedly simpler
5036 [18:59:31] <tjcarter> I've got clients as old as 1.2
5037 [18:59:46] <tjcarter> multiple OSes and package managers
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5039 [19:00:01] <jelly> but only one znc installation is needed
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5049 [19:03:50] <cluelessperson> greycat, [192.168.2.13] (helo=jhamilton) That user no longer exists on that server.
5050 [19:04:24] <greycat> So? That's just who they *said* they were.
5051 [19:04:35] <greycat> And helo is usually a hostname, not a user name.
5052 [19:04:58] <greycat> Or, it was intended to be a hostname. Nowadays it's just another vector for advertising/spam.
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5056 [19:05:57] <anticitizen> can anyone recommend any other good linux or tech based channels? I'm new to IRC.
5057 [19:06:08] <teraflops> #linux
5058 [19:06:25] <jelly> they have two hashes.
5059 [19:06:26] <greycat> This one is pretty good sometimes.
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5062 [19:06:42] <greycat> Otherwise, you have to narrow your criteria a bit. *what* tech?
5063 [19:06:42] <teraflops> anticitizen: ##linux
5064 [19:06:52] <jelly> anticitizen: most of this particular network is tech based channels.
5065 [19:07:01] <anticitizen> thanks
5066 [19:07:09] <MisterGadfly> Ok, so if I set my pulseaudio "master volume" to, let's say, 50% and then I increase the volume using mpv to something like 70%, then the master volume gets raised to 70%. How do I fix this?
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5068 [19:07:20] <MisterGadfly> mpv is set to use pulse
5069 [19:07:26] <greycat> This network has basically one (or more) channel for every major software application, operating system and programming language.
5070 [19:07:29] <jelly> anticitizen: /msg alis help list
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5074 [19:08:03] <dontknow> MisterGadfly, wasn't it intended that way?
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5078 [19:08:45] <MisterGadfly> dontknow: no. I want for pulseaudio's master volume to remain at the same value regardless of mpv's volume
5079 [19:09:05] <jelly> MisterGadfly: does the volume of other apps playing simultaneously actually change?
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5084 [19:09:27] <MisterGadfly> Actually, I just tested this with mpd and it does the same thing
5085 [19:09:29] <MisterGadfly> jelly: ye
5086 [19:09:58] <jelly> MisterGadfly: and you are using -ao pulse ?
5087 [19:10:05] <MisterGadfly> jelly: yes
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5090 [19:10:22] <teraflops> jelly: I get redirected to ##linux when I do /join #linux
5091 [19:10:32] <jelly> yeah, it's not the obvious right thing that should happen
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5095 [19:11:00] <MisterGadfly> jelly: ?
5096 [19:11:02] <teraflops> nvm I was just curious
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5099 [19:11:34] <jelly> MisterGadfly: I merely agree the behaviour is weird and probably incorrect
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5101 [19:11:49] <be270c0b7cb33812> hello! i have the problem with install VBox, can you help me?
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5104 [19:12:35] <nkuttler> be270c0b7cb33812: problem?
5105 [19:12:49] <be270c0b7cb33812> vboxdrv not installed
5106 [19:12:49] <teraflops> _the_ problem
5107 [19:12:58] <greycat> !problem
5108 [19:12:59] <dpkg> hmm... problem is something that can be solved, fixed or worked around if properly described. A good thorough description of the problem, with detailed steps of how to reproduce the problem, the produced output, and the expected output, is the best start to discuss a problem.
5109 [19:13:30] <MisterGadfly> jelly: could this be specific to my driver/hardware?
5110 [19:13:31] <teraflops> does debian do dkms for vbox?
5111 [19:13:45] <jelly> MisterGadfly: no, I've seen something similar before
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5113 [19:13:59] <jelly> teraflops: does debian do vbox at all?
5114 [19:14:05] <be270c0b7cb33812> i not find linux-headers-4.3.0-amd64 in reps
5115 [19:14:16] <jelly> be270c0b7cb33812: which debian release are you using?
5116 [19:14:22] <be270c0b7cb33812> debian 9
5117 [19:14:27] <jelly> that's not out yet
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5121 [19:14:33] <teraflops> ,v virtualbox
5122 [19:14:34] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.32-dfsg-1+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.0.16-dfsg-2~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 5.0.16-dfsg-2+b1;
5123 [19:14:34] <greycat> He's from the fuuuuture.
5124 [19:14:35] <judd> sid/contrib: 5.0.16-dfsg-2+b1
5125 [19:15:00] <teraflops> jelly: yes, it seems so
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5128 [19:15:12] <dontknow> MisterGadfly, i use alsa. mpv doesn't change master volume
5129 [19:15:13] <jelly> be270c0b7cb33812: let's assume you're using stretch. install the latest matching linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64, reboot into _that_ and try again
5130 [19:15:43] <MisterGadfly> I never had this problem on archlinux
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5132 [19:15:52] <jelly> be270c0b7cb33812: you're using an outdated kernel package at this moment
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5135 [19:16:10] <MisterGadfly> And I'm using the same configuration files for mpv and mpd
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5137 [19:16:39] <jelly> MisterGadfly: I wouldn't be surprised arch actually cared enough to tune their pulse and alsa settings to work the right way.
5138 [19:17:49] <be270c0b7cb33812> linux-image-amd64 yet installed
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5140 [19:17:56] <Phiber2000> Hi! I replaced the servers in "/etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf" and restarted systemd-timesyncd.service - it uses them. But when I reboot the pc - it uses "....debian.pool.ntp.org" until I restart the service again. Why?
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5142 [19:18:11] <be270c0b7cb33812> linux-headers-amd64 install to
5143 [19:18:12] <jelly> Phiber2000: which debian release?
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5146 [19:18:31] <Phiber2000> jelly, 8.4
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5152 [19:19:00] <be270c0b7cb33812> which information you need for solve my problem?
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5161 [19:19:43] <jelly> be270c0b7cb33812: eh, just make sure the kernel that is booted is actually the current kernel for stretch.
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5164 [19:19:57] <be270c0b7cb33812> debian 9, kernel 4.3.0-1-amd64
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5170 [19:20:03] <jelly> ,kernels
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5172 [19:20:04] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.5.0-trunk-686-pae (4.5-1~exp1); sid: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.6-1); stretch: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.4.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.4.6-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
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5175 [19:20:17] <jelly> be270c0b7cb33812: stretch: 4.4.0-1-amd64 seems to be current.
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5179 [19:20:24] <jelly> !debian-next
5180 [19:20:24] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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5207 [19:20:45] <jelly> be270c0b7cb33812: ^^ the right place to ask about testing/stretch is #debian-next channel on irc.oftc.net
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5313 [19:30:58] <Iridos> Mister...
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5322 [19:32:14] <Iridos> jelly, he's gone... but my mpv doesn't act that way... no program does afaik
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5324 [19:32:39] <Iridos> everything got their own application-slider in pavucontrol... and if they move something, that's what they move
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5332 [19:35:15] <jdfngkjdfgj> problem with install vbox. when i started VM, i see error Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908) and vbox suggest me `modprobe vboxdrv` but i see error again modprobe: FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found in directory /lib/modules/4.3.0-1-amd64. debian 9, 4.3.0-1-amd64
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5336 [19:35:49] <greycat> jdfngkjdfgj: you were told to install the CURRENT stretch kernel, and the CURRENT stretch headers that match, and to REBOOT into it.
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5339 [19:36:30] <teraflops> Phiber2000: how do you check it uses debian ones after rebooting?
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5341 [19:37:24] <jdfngkjdfgj> which current stretch kernel? and which current stretch headers?
5342 [19:37:43] <Phiber2000> teraflops, Syslog entry says: "systemd-timesyncd[27139]: Using NTP server 37.120.191.245:123 (0.debian.pool.ntp.org)."
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5344 [19:37:48] <Iridos> [19:20] <jelly> be270c0b7cb33812: stretch: 4.4.0-1-amd64 seems to be current.
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5346 [19:37:57] <greycat> You were ALSO told: 13:20 jelly> be270c0b7cb33812: stretch: 4.4.0-1-amd64 seems to be current.
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5348 [19:38:03] <Iridos> greycat, :D
5349 [19:38:11] <teraflops> Phiber2000: yeah systemctl lel same here :P
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5355 [19:39:39] <jdfngkjdfgj> i try it
5356 [19:39:41] <jdfngkjdfgj> TY
5357 [19:39:51] <Phiber2000> teraflops, But it happens just at reboot. Manual restart reads the timesyncd.conf as "normal"...
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5359 [19:40:27] <MisterGadfly> When enabling/disabling modules for php, wouldn't it be faster to just remove/add symlinks instead of using the phpenmod/phpdismod commands or do they do something more than that?
5360 [19:40:32] <teraflops> Phiber2000: I guess it deserves a bug report
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5364 [19:41:12] <Phiber2000> terabit, I guess you're right... :(
5365 [19:41:21] <Iridos> MisterGadfly, I'm on stable with pulse and my mpv behaves correctly (changing the application-volume in pulse)
5366 [19:41:36] <Iridos> MisterGadfly, maybe try with a testuser that doesn't have any configuration
5367 [19:41:49] <MisterGadfly> Iridos: I'm using the unstable repos
5368 [19:41:57] <teraflops> Phiber2000: hey I'm a teraflop :P
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5370 [19:42:17] <MisterGadfly> Iridos: meh, the bug doesn't bother me that much. I gave up on fixing it.
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5382 [19:46:34] <Iridos> MisterGadfly, well... a) that's what unstable is for... write a bug report, check them first... probably not an mpv thing, but pulse replaced-url
5383 [19:47:03] <Iridos> MisterGadfly, b) ask #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which focuses more on testing/unstable
5384 [19:47:25] <Phiber2000> teraflops, You forgot the 's'... :D
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5397 [19:48:25] <teraflops> Phiber2000: yeah I can confirm your issue
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5442 [19:50:52] <teraflops> Phiber2000: I've read it can pick time servers from dhcp or get it dynamically from systemd-networkd (but it's from systemd 216) theres also no man page as the header for the file suggest.... what a mess :P
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5458 [19:51:00] <MisterGadfly> Iridos: I didn't touch pulseaudio's configuration
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5504 [19:51:38] <tester21> hi
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5531 [19:52:38] <tester21> i would like to try a sotware from source called audio-recorder. configure says: configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.14.0) were not met: i installed libglib2.0 which installed a bunch of packages but running configure again gives the same error
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5537 [19:53:10] <greycat> tester21: try installing libglib2.0-dev
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5540 [19:53:38] <greycat> For compiling you need the -dev packages.
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5544 [19:54:46] <tester21> hm, after a second look maybe that software is not capable or recording a stream...
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5546 [19:54:49] <tester21> thanks
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5561 [19:58:39] <aeronavi> i am struggling with pppd daemon which is trying to resolve name "pppX" (X = number of the dynamic interface created) everytime a user connects. anyone has an idea about this?
5562 [19:59:09] <teraflops> tester21: you can use pulseadio directly for that though
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5578 [20:03:35] <MeanEYE> Can I upgrade any installation to testing?
5579 [20:03:40] <MeanEYE> And then do dist-upgrade
5580 [20:03:53] <greycat> You can only upgrade from current stable to testing, not from oldstable or older.
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5582 [20:04:02] <MeanEYE> Thanks.
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5584 [20:04:08] <MeanEYE> Current stable is 8.x?
5585 [20:04:11] <greycat> yes
5586 [20:04:16] <MeanEYE> Thanks.
5587 [20:04:27] <hiya> my debian laptop just randomly boot
5588 [20:04:38] <hiya> hwo can I know what is wrong?
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5591 [20:04:46] <tester21> teraflops, sure mplayer works also....but all the bells and whistles arent there
5592 [20:04:47] <hiya> I think it could be power issues
5593 [20:04:50] <greycat> Random spontaneous reboot is usually a hardware problem.
5594 [20:04:54] <hiya> since it was plugging it
5595 [20:05:05] <hiya> greycat, Not spontaneous though
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5604 [20:08:17] <teraflops> hiya: ah it boots?
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5606 [20:08:54] <hiya> teraflops, it does reboot when plugged in for charging,
5607 [20:09:03] <teraflops> sorry I read randomly boot
5608 [20:09:06] <hiya> I think it is electricity issues it is common in my village
5609 [20:09:08] <teraflops> nvm
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5613 [20:09:19] <hiya> teraflops, but still how can I find some issues if any?
5614 [20:09:21] <hiya> which logs?
5615 [20:09:28] <greycat> There would not be any logs of this.
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5635 [20:12:56] <MeanEYE> Anyone has idea why I can't boot Debian stable from UEFI...
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5638 [20:13:17] <MeanEYE> It just defaults to whatever it feels like.
5639 [20:13:17] <markybob> you're either using secure boot or live cd most likely
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5641 [20:13:29] <zykotick9> MeanEYE: are you trying to use the livecd? that might be why.
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5643 [20:13:37] <MeanEYE> No, netinst.
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5645 [20:13:40] <MeanEYE> From USB.
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5648 [20:13:51] <markybob> then probably secure boot
5649 [20:13:52] <jelly> MeanEYE: how did you write the usb?
5650 [20:13:58] <MeanEYE> jelly, dd
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5653 [20:14:21] <stoned> Anyone know who has packageks of php7 for stable debian maybe?
5654 [20:14:25] <stoned> thanks
5655 [20:14:40] <stoned> If there are any, at all.
5656 [20:14:49] <jelly> MeanEYE: to the whole device? that's supposed to be fine but sometimes it doesn't write it full, cp is safer
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5658 [20:14:53] <greycat> Wait, they skipped a whole number? Did they pull a Microsoft?
5659 [20:14:57] <stoned> Hey jelly, greycat
5660 [20:15:03] <MeanEYE> markybob, secure boot is disabled but still ignores my boot
5661 [20:15:03] <stoned> Haha, yes. There wasn't a php6
5662 [20:15:09] <MeanEYE> jelly, CP individual files?
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5664 [20:15:19] <jelly> MeanEYE: no, cp blah.iso /dev/sdf
5665 [20:15:26] <MeanEYE> jelly, okay! thanks.
5666 [20:15:46] <teraflops> greycat: heh
5667 [20:15:52] <jelly> I don't know why but it appears to sometimes make a difference
5668 [20:15:57] <markybob> stoned: do you really, really need it? there's a way not recommended and not supported
5669 [20:15:58] <stoned> you can also use dd if=/path/iso of=/dev/sdf
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5672 [20:16:03] <markybob> stoned: or do you just want something shiny?
5673 [20:16:14] <jelly> stoned: that's exactly what they did
5674 [20:16:43] <jelly> and it sometimes doesn't to the right thing
5675 [20:16:44] <MeanEYE> stoned, I did use that. But apparently doesn't like it.
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5680 [20:17:03] <awal1> Why all the softwares used for audio/video streaming, display interactive multimedia contents , such as adobe flash, html5, use so a lot of cpu? Sometimes it goes to 100%
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5682 [20:17:20] <stoned> markybob: I use stable as my dev workstation. I have default stable php in here coupled with composer of php, and I setup a homestead laravel php virtuamachine in virtualbox, and setted up outside shared directory to put my code in, this is a direcotry with github repository.
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5685 [20:17:38] <jelly> ,v php7.0
5686 [20:17:39] <judd> Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.5-2; stretch: 7.0.5-2
5687 [20:17:45] <stoned> I wanted to see if I can get php7 in stable for composer, but I guess it doestn' matter, just to get dependencies
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5689 [20:17:48] <jelly> no jessie for you
5690 [20:17:51] <stoned> p
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5692 [20:17:53] <stoned> np
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5698 [20:18:40] <teraflops> awal1: you can do the mpv + youtube-dl thing too
5699 [20:18:45] <stoned> I shifted to Denver last week. Now to find debian group here :)
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5705 [20:19:21] <stoned> I too use mpv/smplayer and youtube-dl (which is used by smtube)
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5708 [20:19:32] <awal1> teraflops, yeah I do that, but just curious about the technical side of why my cpu usage goes to 100%
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5710 [20:19:54] <MeanEYE> I still can't get it to boot off of my USB.
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5712 [20:20:01] <MeanEYE> Could it be USB drive?
5713 [20:20:23] <teraflops> MeanEYE: what error/s do you get? (if any)
5714 [20:20:30] <stoned> MeanEYE: when you boot from usb what does the pc do? You selected USB from bios boot options? at that point are there ay lights that blink on your usb?
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5716 [20:20:43] <awal1> also 100% cpu usage when I run ffmpeg for record desktop
5717 [20:20:51] <jelly> MeanEYE: more likely you just have an unusual firmware
5718 [20:20:53] <MeanEYE> teraflops, stoned, nothing, just boots next default version.
5719 [20:20:54] <stoned> start from eliminating possible hardware problems, work your way to software
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5721 [20:21:05] <stoned> which usb stick is it? make/model
5722 [20:21:15] <teraflops> MeanEYE: what's next default version?
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5724 [20:21:19] <MeanEYE> winblows
5725 [20:21:35] <teraflops> ah well the usb is not detected for booting from it?
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5729 [20:21:51] <MeanEYE> USB is seen in the menu, after I select it just ignores it and moves on to windows.
5730 [20:22:00] <stoned> In recent windows versios you have to go into firmware seettings via windows and let it reboot then select USB booting adn turn off secure boot and all that junk
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5732 [20:22:08] <teraflops> MeanEYE: I asked you time ago if youre doing dual boot
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5734 [20:22:24] <MeanEYE> teraflops, on one machine yes, on other no. So I didn't lie.
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5737 [20:22:38] <MeanEYE> Both behave the same and ignore USB.
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5739 [20:22:42] <markybob> MeanEYE: sounds like you did cp image.iso /dev/sdX1 instead of /dev/sdX maybe?
5740 [20:22:44] <teraflops> MeanEYE: tried in more then one machine, same usb? uhmmm
5741 [20:22:48] <teraflops> than*
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5744 [20:23:12] <MeanEYE> markybob, didn't make that mistake.
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5746 [20:23:35] <teraflops> MeanEYE: tried with another usb stick for the sake of your sanity?
5747 [20:23:36] <MeanEYE> teraflops, yes same USB, multiple machines, same failure. Right now I have only one with Windows on it and it's failing.
5748 [20:23:41] <MeanEYE> teraflops, about to.
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5753 [20:24:34] <stoned> are you copying a usb image to the usb or a cd iamge?
5754 [20:24:43] <stoned> an iso9660 format iso won't work on a usb
5755 [20:25:01] <teraflops> awal1: yeah my laptop sounds like a train too :P
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5757 [20:25:27] <awal1> :)
5758 [20:25:32] <MeanEYE> stoned, ISO to USB.
5759 [20:25:50] <jelly> stoned: it's debian netinst
5760 [20:25:56] <stoned> ok
5761 [20:26:17] <MeanEYE> jelly, I tried with stable and different images, both 64bit and 32bit.
5762 [20:26:20] <jelly> so it's both an iso and a hybrid mbr-bootable "usb hdd" and a hybrid uefi bootable.
5763 [20:26:28] <jelly> fsvo "both"
5764 [20:26:32] <stoned> cool
5765 [20:26:41] <stoned> hybrid images are fun
5766 [20:26:55] <stoned> There is however still a method to boot your debian installer over the network.
5767 [20:27:16] <teraflops> MeanEYE: some weird firmwares can behave like this but you've tested in 2 machines (I guess different models)
5768 [20:27:17] <MeanEYE> stoned, non-free :/ drivers
5769 [20:27:25] <stoned> no problem
5770 [20:27:38] <stoned> Find out your chipset, then grab the driver fw packages for wifi
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5776 [20:27:49] <stoned> Keep those pakcages on usb
5777 [20:27:51] <MeanEYE> teraflops, one is yoga laptop, other HP desktop.
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5779 [20:28:01] <stoned> and boot debian installer kernel/ramdisk using windows grub
5780 [20:28:05] <stoned> neogrub or grub2
5781 [20:28:11] <stoned> whichever one you want.
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5783 [20:28:25] <MeanEYE> What I find weird that after installing legacy, I can't boot again.
5784 [20:28:31] <MeanEYE> As if it doesn't look for MBR.
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5787 [20:28:53] <stoned> Then once the isntaller is running, mount the usb and load the drivers
5788 [20:28:59] <stoned> continue w/ the rest of the installation
5789 [20:29:02] <teraflops> disabled secure boot?
5790 [20:29:06] <MeanEYE> teraflops, yes. :/
5791 [20:29:10] <teraflops> weird
5792 [20:29:16] <MeanEYE> I'll have to figure something out.
5793 [20:29:24] <stoned> That's like my last resort method in case I hae nothing to boot netinst with
5794 [20:29:34] <stoned> so long as you have an existing OS, you can start the debian installer.
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5797 [20:30:36] <teraflops> MeanEYE: tried other distro iso, just for testing purposes?
5798 [20:30:38] <MeanEYE> So can you explain the normal, no problems process installing with UEFI enabled no secure from USB.
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5800 [20:30:57] <MeanEYE> teraflops, no. But I see debian and ubuntu installed in keys. :/ which is confusing the hell out of me.
5801 [20:31:01] <MeanEYE> Someone managed to do tha.t
5802 [20:31:08] <stoned> I can't. Maybe someone else. I have never usd UEFI. I'm still on BIOS (8 year old computer)
5803 [20:31:09] <teraflops> heh
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5805 [20:31:21] <stoned> :D
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5807 [20:31:29] * stoned is now like enouf
5808 [20:31:35] <stoned> using way too old hardware haha
5809 [20:31:43] <stoned> ok bye
5810 [20:31:52] <teraflops> MeanEYE: but you tried in 2 different machines ...
5811 [20:32:00] <MeanEYE> teraflops, yes.
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5813 [20:32:13] <teraflops> that has to mean something
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5815 [20:32:20] <MeanEYE> Probably USB ...
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5819 [20:32:53] <MeanEYE> Am making backup copy of other USB and gonna try with tha.t
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5855 [20:43:55] <glick> hi
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5857 [20:44:22] <glick> hey is anyone else having issues downloading the debian dvd iso torrent files from the website download side
5858 [20:44:25] <glick> is that down or something
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5860 [20:44:48] <glick> i cant download the iso torrent
5861 [20:44:49] <glick> replaced-url
5862 [20:44:52] <glick> from that site
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5867 [20:45:32] <markybob> glick: working here
5868 [20:45:37] <glick> hmm what the hell
5869 [20:45:47] <glick> maybe its cause im on a corporate network
5870 [20:45:49] <glick> so they prevent torrents
5871 [20:45:54] <markybob> probably
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5875 [20:47:37] <greycat> Downloading a .torrent file is one thing, but then actually connecting to a torrent network? From inside a firewalled corporate LAN? Good luck.
5876 [20:47:49] <glick> yeah its weird that i cant even download it
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5878 [20:47:54] <glick> what the hell_
5879 [20:47:59] <greycat> I've seen weirder.
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5912 [20:55:40] <anticitizen> corporate firewall almost certainly would block torrent traffic by default. mine does. that's what my VPN is for...
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5916 [20:56:14] <MeanEYE> I still can't boot into Linux on this Yoga laptop. :/ I can't be doing everything wrong.
5917 [20:56:20] <MeanEYE> If someone has ideas am open to listen.
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5920 [20:56:55] <greycat> If your Firmware/BIOS won't boot USB, try burning an actual CD.
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5922 [20:57:12] <MeanEYE> No CD on this machine.
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5926 [20:57:51] <greycat> Then you'll have to figure out how to tell the Firmware to boot USB. Usually by pressing some function key or Esc during boot.
5927 [20:58:24] <MeanEYE> Oh, I get to boot menu, select USB, and then it decides to ignore my USB, unless I put legacy mode.
5928 [20:58:42] <greycat> You're not trying to boot a Debian Live image, I hope...?
5929 [20:59:00] <MeanEYE> Well, let me list.
5930 [20:59:08] <anticitizen> how did you create the USB image?
5931 [20:59:09] <MeanEYE> Tried this replaced-url
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5933 [20:59:21] <anticitizen> unetbootin, mkUSB, etc?
5934 [20:59:21] <MeanEYE> Tried firmware testing, regular testing, 32bit and 64bit of all of them.
5935 [20:59:24] <anticitizen> dd?
5936 [20:59:25] <MeanEYE> Tried cp and dd.
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5938 [20:59:35] <greycat> With what arguments?
5939 [20:59:51] <MeanEYE> Which one? dd if=.. of=.. bs=4M
5940 [20:59:58] <anticitizen> i've had various techniques not work with certain distros, dunno why. I've had good luck with the mkusb utility in times where unetbootin did not work
5941 [21:00:02] <greycat> What is the of= argument you used?
5942 [21:00:14] <MeanEYE> It's /dev/sdb
5943 [21:00:23] <MeanEYE> I copied block device, not partition.
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5945 [21:00:36] <markybob> i didnt think 32 bit support uefi
5946 [21:00:46] <MeanEYE> Tried 64:/
5947 [21:00:48] <MeanEYE> Didn't help.
5948 [21:00:54] <jmcnaught> MeanEYE: what exactly does it say when it doesn't boot? does it look like it's trying to boot from USB but fails, or is it simply ignored?
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5950 [21:01:01] <greycat> The fact that he has a "legacy mode" at all means he has UEFI firmware, not BIOS.
5951 [21:01:08] <greycat> Beyond that, I can't say.
5952 [21:01:15] <MeanEYE> jmcnaught, after pressing enter, screen goes black, and windows boot starts.
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5955 [21:01:46] <greycat> Could it be a secure boot thing? I know nothing about that.
5956 [21:01:50] <jmcnaught> MeanEYE: has anything ever booted from USB on this computer?
5957 [21:01:51] <MeanEYE> Turned off.
5958 [21:02:16] <MeanEYE> jmcnaught, I can see debian and ubuntu in boot menu, which means someone managed to install them somehow. How, that's a different story.
5959 [21:02:46] <jmcnaught> MeanEYE: you mean, sometime in the foggy past, or earlier today?
5960 [21:03:07] <MeanEYE> few days ago, one of the employees thought he was smart and reinstall machine.
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5967 [21:04:15] <jmcnaught> MeanEYE: during boot do you get a boot device selection menu that displays the USB?
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5969 [21:04:23] <MeanEYE> jmcnaught, yes.
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5972 [21:05:19] <MeanEYE> Am assuming netinst images for latest stable should be able to boot on UEFI?
5973 [21:05:27] <greycat> Yes, they do.
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5975 [21:05:43] <MeanEYE> Just making sure and eliminating every stupid thing.
5976 [21:05:57] <MeanEYE> Should I try to reset PKs ?
5977 [21:06:04] <MeanEYE> Although I doubt that would cause system not to boot.
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5982 [21:07:34] <MeanEYE> It's weird, I feel like I've never installed an OS with this laptop. Blindly stabbing around.
5983 [21:07:50] <greycat> What's the exact hardware model?
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5986 [21:08:30] <MeanEYE> Lenovo Yoga 3 14 - Model name 80JH
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5990 [21:10:17] <MeanEYE> Wow, goot boot.
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5992 [21:10:22] <MeanEYE> This is stupid.
5993 [21:10:32] <MeanEYE> Boot order has to be in a specific way. o_0
5994 [21:10:51] <MeanEYE> So Windows Boot Manager has to be first in boot order.
5995 [21:10:56] <MeanEYE> Even though I don't use it.
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6000 [21:12:16] <anticitizen> Congrats
6001 [21:12:19] <MeanEYE> Okay, progress. gonna try this.
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6003 [21:12:24] <MeanEYE> Thanks folks. More than helpful!
6004 [21:12:36] <MeanEYE> If for no other reason than keeping my sanity.
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6008 [21:13:39] <tharkun> cluelessperson: check if mailcap has a db connected to it.
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6016 [21:16:57] <teraflops> MeanEYE: \o/
6017 [21:17:23] <MeanEYE> Too early to celebrate I am afraid. Stable 64bit was able to show menu, netinst no.
6018 [21:17:27] <MeanEYE> Trying with 64bit netinst.
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6021 [21:17:48] <MeanEYE> Perhaps it was the BIOS restore to defaults which trigered the behavior
6022 [21:18:19] <MeanEYE> Nope, just has to be 64bit.
6023 [21:18:22] <MeanEYE> Weird, but I'll live with it.
6024 [21:18:32] <markybob> i did say that :P
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6026 [21:18:57] <markybob> but what you said was halfway nonsensical
6027 [21:18:58] <MeanEYE> Funny thing is. I tried with 64.
6028 [21:19:12] <MeanEYE> But any boot order didn't work.
6029 [21:19:16] <MeanEYE> Unless Windows one was first.
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6033 [21:19:25] <MeanEYE> If you did say that I regret for not seeing it.
6034 [21:19:30] <MeanEYE> And kudos to you.
6035 [21:19:35] <tharkun> markybob: FTR xfce installs lightdm nowadays so installing light-lock pulls no extra dependencies :)
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6037 [21:19:55] <markybob> tharkun: oh you again. so it worked out?
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6040 [21:20:20] <tharkun> markybob: Yes me beeing a plague again. Yes it did work out.
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6042 [21:20:30] <markybob> tharkun: good to hear
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6044 [21:20:45] <MeanEYE> Are there any real benefits to UEFI. I have my own laptop which is running on legacy just fine.
6045 [21:20:52] <MeanEYE> Perhaps I should switch if there are.
6046 [21:21:08] <tharkun> Replacement is on a "bug to have it done." Policy
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6048 [21:21:49] <tharkun> MeanEYE: Is it broken?
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6051 [21:21:58] <MeanEYE> My laptop, no.
6052 [21:22:06] <MeanEYE> Thinkpad X1 Carbon. Works like charm.
6053 [21:22:09] <MeanEYE> Never had issues with it
6054 [21:22:13] <tharkun> Then don't fix it. No need for it.
6055 [21:22:35] <MeanEYE> Okay. Didn't even think so, but I better ask. All this suffering has to be for some benefit.
6056 [21:22:38] <MeanEYE> Apparently not.
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6058 [21:23:32] <freeone3000> To most people it's not suffering. It's a heck of a lot easier to write a EFI program than it is to write a traditional bootloader, and since grub installs to either equally well and with nearly the same command, it's no skin off anyone else's nose either. Until, of course, some HW manufacturer comes along and messes it up.
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6062 [21:23:58] <MeanEYE> freeone3000, I guess I just pulled the shortest straw then.
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6067 [21:24:23] <MeanEYE> freeone3000, when I was inspecting UEFI executables they have the same magic bytes as DOS/Win32...
6068 [21:24:29] <greycat> replaced-url
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6072 [21:25:11] <MeanEYE> Is it just plain old EXE with new extension, or they actually changed the compiler?
6073 [21:26:07] <teraflops> replaced-url
6074 [21:26:45] <teraflops> That link is gold
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6080 [21:28:12] <MeanEYE> At first I missed the satire by glancing over points :D then read it when you pointed it's value.
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6086 [21:29:34] <freeone3000> Not really satire, that's a good description on how a user should care about UEFI. UEFI is an actual way of running things in a pre-execution boot environment, BIOS is a huge mess that happens to work so we don't touch it, the latter just happens to be simpler than the former.
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6096 [21:31:54] <MeanEYE> freeone3000, well, it should be more easy and pleasant to use but it's often not and from what I've seen in past few days many still resemble old BIOS, just different naming.
6097 [21:31:58] <garry_7220> build on debian-jessie-xfce, russian, cyrillic (but...dpkg-reconfigure locales) compiz08, cairo-dock, i386-pae, no UEFI, magnet:?xt=urn:btih:qy7eapre3h26ob465vcro3i4vjxzji5h&dn=debian-jessie-xfce-Crolicoff8&xl=4502011904&fc=2
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6099 [21:32:07] <MeanEYE> Generally speaking, I don't really care how pretty it is. I almost never go there.
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6101 [21:32:34] <freeone3000> MeanEYE: Depends on your manufacturer. ASRock and ASUS motherboards have a really nice implementation. As does anyone with the chip by American Megatrends.
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6103 [21:32:54] <MeanEYE> freeone3000, I have MB by ASUS. Indeed looks nice.
6104 [21:32:56] <freeone3000> MeanEYE: But essentially: Yes, it's better, in ways that you don't care about and actually are slightly worse for you maybe.
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6106 [21:33:26] <MeanEYE> Too bad MB took me almost a year to debug as it crashed my graphics card randomly.
6107 [21:33:30] <MeanEYE> But that was another story.
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6111 [21:34:38] <MeanEYE> All in alll, this is installing and I think it will work after all.
6112 [21:34:41] <MeanEYE> So thanks everyone!
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6191 [21:55:15] <neglesaks> question: is the current unetbootin incompabitle with Debian 8 installas?
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6195 [21:55:44] <greycat> !unetbootin
6196 [21:55:44] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
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6201 [21:57:32] <tharkun> neglesaks: cp *iso /dev/sd* Wherever your usb stick is. That works like a charm.
6202 [21:57:49] <greycat> assuming an existing Linux installation
6203 [21:58:05] <tharkun> oh, yes, I skipped that little detail.
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6211 [22:00:59] <neglesaks> thnaks tharkun, ill give it a shot. use if the GUI version of Unitooting with the Deb 8.4 amd64 image consistently gives a "boot error" on trying to boot of the stick
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6213 [22:01:07] <chuugar> Give rufus a try : replaced-url
6214 [22:01:26] <markybob> no!!
6215 [22:01:29] <markybob> don't use rufus
6216 [22:01:30] <greycat> I've heard rufus is not a good choice, but I can't vouch from personal experience.
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6218 [22:01:52] <chuugar> It just work, why don't use it ?
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6220 [22:02:02] <markybob> !rufus
6221 [22:02:02] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
6222 [22:02:07] <markybob> it fucks shit up
6223 [22:02:16] <greycat> !win32diskimager
6224 [22:02:16] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
6225 [22:02:19] <markybob> on windows use win32diskimager. on linux use cp. simple
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6230 [22:02:43] <chuugar> Okay, i've learned something
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6233 [22:02:48] <neglesaks> apparently Rufus'''sss speed comes at a price
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6241 [22:05:32] <stoned> Rufus works fine too, just don't use ISO mode, use DD mode instead. ISO mode format it as fat32 and then unpacks the iso there and setups the boot sector. DD just copies the whole hybrid iso to the drive. the docs say to use win32diskimager so maybe go w/ that.
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6244 [22:06:46] <stoned> In DD mode, Rufus copies the debian iso as it is, no mangling.
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6249 [22:09:34] <neglesaks> latest attempt at installing from a live image faile. trying as a distinct iso now
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6251 [22:09:45] <greycat> !uefi live
6252 [22:09:45] <dpkg> Currently, UEFI support exists only in Debian's installation images. The accompanying live images do not have support for UEFI boot. <replaced-url
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6254 [22:10:17] <sigdk> hello, I'm trying to mound my cellphone's FS and using jmtpfs as shown here: replaced-url
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6258 [22:11:33] <neglesaks> Hm... that is a possibility, yes.
6259 [22:11:42] <greycat> The instructions on that wiki page look dubious to me, ESPECIALLY the bit about chmod 777 <directory>
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6263 [22:12:40] <greycat> Did you scroll all the way down to the bottom where it shows your error message?
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6265 [22:13:12] <neglesaks> On bootind with the stick? "SYSLINUX 6.03 EDD etc etc... newline Boot error"
6266 [22:13:25] <greycat> sigdk: Did you scroll all the way down to the bottom where it shows your error message?
6267 [22:14:10] <neglesaks> sorry wrong chat
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6269 [22:15:04] <sigdk> greycat, I do... but didn't find any solution
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6271 [22:15:40] <greycat> Don't Use Sudo
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6273 [22:15:54] <greycat> It's a fuse solution, so you do it all as you, after ensuring you are a member of the fuse group.
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6276 [22:16:59] <sigdk> greycat, I don't use sudo
6277 [22:17:16] <greycat> Then make sure you're in the fuse group. As I said, these instructions look dubious (not good).
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6281 [22:19:59] <greycat> Oh good lord, google-chrome just turned 50, and samba (IN STABLE) just turned 4.2
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6289 [22:21:04] <markybob> greycat: i'm 3
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6295 [22:21:44] <neglesaks> google, apple and mozilla products suffer from temrinal versionitis
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6300 [22:22:41] <phuzion> Is there a relatively simple method to check a preseed.cfg file for errors? Something like "Woah, this package can't be found" or "Dude, your syntax is screwy on line 31" and whatnot?
6301 [22:22:46] <greycat> Which package is supposed to create the fuse group in jessie? sshfs didn't create it, and its docs say "fuse-utils" should create it, but that does not exist.
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6307 [22:23:53] <iamtim> I was planning on using xencenter from Windows to manage my debian xen host, but I see that xapi is no longer in debian. Is there any kind of gui console I can connect to it?
6308 [22:24:23] <greycat> And 'fuse' is already installed and is the latest version, it says.
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6319 [22:25:58] <markybob> greycat: i assume when you install an actual module, no?
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6321 [22:26:12] <greycat> Well, I installed sshfs and the fuse group does not exist.
6322 [22:26:28] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
6323 [22:26:47] <markybob> jesus really? i didn't know that
6324 [22:27:01] <greycat> Then what do I do? The README.Debian says to adduser username fuse
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6327 [22:28:07] <iamtim> Who owns /dev/fuse ?
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6329 [22:28:21] <greycat> Oh, just... do nothing. "sshfs blah blah blah"
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6332 [22:28:55] <markybob> learn something new every day :P
6333 [22:29:14] <greycat> sigdk: are you doing this on jessie, or something older?
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6335 [22:30:00] <sigdk> greycat, jessie
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6338 [22:30:31] <greycat> well, I have no MTP devices to test with.
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6341 [22:33:24] <abrotman> not a single one?!
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6346 [22:33:51] <greycat> OK, if I *do* have one, I am not aware of it, and/or I have no cables to attach it to a computer.
6347 [22:34:23] <greycat> Not here at work, anyway.
6348 [22:34:35] <jmcnaught> sigdk: does your phone have a USB mass storage mode? might be easier. from what I understand the mtp libraries have trouble keeping up with newer devices
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6352 [22:36:17] * rattking gets data off his phone with rsync because using mtp has been so annoying in the past
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6354 [22:40:23] <anticitizen> rattking, have you tried out kde connect?
6355 [22:40:30] <anticitizen> doesn't actually require kde
6356 [22:40:35] <anticitizen> it's pretty fantastc
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6358 [22:41:18] <anticitizen> basically syncs with your phone using wifi, allowing you to transfer files, use the phone as a remote for the pc, show phone notifications on the desktop, etc
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6360 [22:41:39] <rattking> no I will try it at home.. and I do run kde.. I tried it at work but it didnt work for me as my phone isnt on the same network.. but rsync wont work there either
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6369 [22:45:39] <sigdk> jmcnaught, My previous android phone, it would pop up a window and ask me every time I would connect the usb cable if I want to use MTP or sth like that... this one doesn't... or I don't know
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6372 [22:46:03] <indie> Is there a way I can change my terminal to send ctrl-h when backspace is pressed?
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6375 [22:47:07] <anticitizen> sigdk, i believe that when you plug it in, you now pull down the notification shade and you'll see the place to change your connection
6376 [22:47:07] <jml2> indie, yeah you can change pretty much anything in bash... that aspect is related to inputrc
6377 [22:47:13] <jml2> indie, or something with stty
6378 [22:47:23] <anticitizen> it will say something like USB CONNECTED AS CAMERA... TOUCH HERE TO CHANGE
6379 [22:47:38] <anticitizen> then you can press that and switch to MTP or wherever
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6381 [22:49:17] <sigdk> anticitizen, well, all it says is that the device now is charging. I'll check a bit the menus though
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6384 [22:50:27] <kingsley> How would you try to copy a live USB to a .iso file?
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6389 [22:50:42] <kingsley> I tried the "dd" command, but the resulting .iso file didn't boot.
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6393 [22:51:41] <jml2> kingsley, i don't know if the live can be used as a usb
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6395 [22:52:18] <warsoul> i dont have debian cd
6396 [22:52:18] <kingsley> jml2: Sorry, I don't understand you.
6397 [22:52:23] <warsoul> when y try to install gcc
6398 [22:52:30] <warsoul> is telling me to put cd
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6401 [22:52:57] <jml2> kingsley, yeah, according to the replaced-url
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6404 [22:53:31] <jml2> kingsley, it could be a usb<->motherboard incompatibility for "boots" -- it's outside anything to do with linux
6405 [22:53:53] <jml2> kingsley, you'd have to do all sorts of things to check to see why it doesn't boot
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6409 [22:55:10] <jml2> warsoul, you can comment-out the apt-cdrom entry in sources.list, then apt-get update ...
6410 [22:55:17] <kingsley> jml2: Maybe. The live USB boots OK directly. I just want to copy it to a .iso file that can be booted from an emulator like "qemu".
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6412 [22:56:04] <jml2> warsoul, if you want to copy the usb, you'd use "losetup" with a specified length..
6413 [22:56:12] <jml2> kingsley, ^ i meant
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6415 [22:56:19] <warsoul> jml2 how can i do that
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6417 [22:56:22] <jml2> kingsley, then dd that /dev/loop0 image
6418 [22:56:26] <warsoul> how can i install gcc without the cd
6419 [22:56:30] <jml2> warsoul, (sorry that was meant for kingsley )
6420 [22:56:39] <jml2> warsoul, uhh
6421 [22:56:46] <jml2> warsoul, you don't know what sources.list is?
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6424 [22:56:54] <warsoul> jml2 no
6425 [22:56:59] <warsoul> im new in debian
6426 [22:56:59] <jml2> !sources
6427 [22:56:59] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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6433 [22:58:47] <jmcnaught> kingsley: is this that windows USB again? please provide relevant details when you come back to ask the same question the next day :)
6434 [22:59:34] <jml2> kingsley, it's just easier to "download" a debian-live iso. If you don't know the "length" to copy from the usb device, you'll end up copying the whole usb drive
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6438 [23:00:22] <jml2> kingsley, ...
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6440 [23:00:50] <jml2> kingsley, the "iso" files (CD#1, DVD#1 and the Debian Live iso), are "usb-bootable" using "dd" --- you don't use "unetbootin"
6441 [23:00:55] <kingsley> jmcnaught: If I understand you correctly, yes, I'm still asking about copying a live Windows 10 USB to a bootable .iso file.
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6443 [23:01:08] <jml2> kingsley, fwiw, I don't even think you can "boot usb" in qemu/kvm
6444 [23:01:25] <jml2> kingsley, instead you use a "cd drive" virtual device with your emultor.. not "usb"
6445 [23:01:41] <jmcnaught> kingsley: and i told you yesterday that windows live images don't work the same way as Debian ones. Also there is no need to ask the same question on freenode and OFTC at the same time, many of the same people on both networks.
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6448 [23:02:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> a "live windows 10"?
6449 [23:02:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> how the heck should we know how those usb sticks are made
6450 [23:02:38] <kingsley> jml2: For what it's worth, the live USB that I want to copy to an .iso file is Windows 10.
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6452 [23:03:13] <jml2> kingsley, gee whiz you can download Windows 10 for free.
6453 [23:03:27] <jml2> kingsley, you have to go to #microsoft for additional tips :)
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6456 [23:03:47] <jml2> but it's not "real free"
6457 [23:03:52] <jml2> as in "freedom" ;-)
6458 [23:03:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> forget about it. iso format and disk/usb format are not the same at all
6459 [23:04:07] <kingsley> jml2: I was wondering if qemu/kvm could boot from USB. I tested it. At least for me, qemu boots SystemRescueCD from a USB flash drive, but not Windows 10.
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6461 [23:04:14] <jml2> kingsley, #microsoft
6462 [23:04:16] <jml2> kingsley, :)
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6465 [23:04:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> you'd need to "burn" a data CD into an image with e.g. k3b ... and then it would be very lucky if it boots ...
6466 [23:05:02] <zinx> kingsley: a lot of Linux isos are actually a hybrid of two filesystems - the CD filesystem (ISO9660 + RockRidge) and generally FAT32
6467 [23:05:11] <zinx> kingsley: Microsoft's isos are not.
6468 [23:05:31] <jml2> you guys should shutup and let him go to #microsoft
6469 [23:05:32] <jml2> :)
6470 [23:06:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> jml2, do you maybe mean ##windows?
6471 [23:06:06] <kingsley> CutMeOwnThroat: I wonder if k3b could create a bootable .iso from a live USB flash drive....
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6483 [23:10:54] <malademental> Hello, I have a problem on debian jessie, with a newer kernel that I compiled (4.4.6)
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6485 [23:11:05] <malademental> the problem is about my sdcard reader
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6487 [23:11:47] <malademental> lspci result : replaced-url
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6489 [23:13:07] <malademental> dmesg | grep sdhci : replaced-url
6490 [23:13:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> why didn't you take the kernel from jessie-backports
6491 [23:13:25] <kingsley> malademental: What's the problem with the sdcard reader?
6492 [23:13:57] <malademental> the sdcard aren't read... On other versions of the OS I had no problem
6493 [23:14:15] <transhuman__> hi! how do i get libvirt to show all options in virt-manager for guest video drivers such as vmware driver platform is debian jessie someone the other day had indicated a package that would fix it..still have same issue
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6495 [23:14:37] <jmcnaught> malademental: what happens if you use the jessie kernel?
6496 [23:14:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, pciid 197b:2382
6497 [23:14:42] <judd> [197b:2382] is 'SD/MMC Host Controller' from 'JMicron Technology Corp.' with kernel modules 'ahci', 'pata_jmicron', 'sdhci-pci' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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6499 [23:15:02] <malademental> CutMeOwnThroat: Because I wanted to compile my own with less modules included. With jessie kernel I have the same problem... jmcnaught
6500 [23:15:03] <catbeard> nice!
6501 [23:15:16] <catbeard> forgot about hcl
6502 [23:15:32] <catbeard> didn't know they had that page
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6506 [23:15:55] <malademental> CutMeOwnThroat: thanks
6507 [23:16:09] <malademental> I'm gonna check with the other kernel and loading pata_jmicron
6508 [23:16:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, pciid 197b:2381
6509 [23:16:17] <judd> [197b:2381] is 'Standard SD Host Controller' from 'JMicron Technology Corp.' with kernel modules 'ahci', 'pata_jmicron', 'sdhci-pci' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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6511 [23:16:24] <|DM|> Hello, I have an intel processor with integrated graphics and an amd graphics card. I am on debian8, and I dont have a hardware or bios graphics switch. Is there ANY way for me to use the amd graphics card
6512 [23:16:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> should be supported
6513 [23:16:34] <malademental> see you soon
6514 [23:16:36] <|DM|> Every time I ahve tried I have competely fucked my graphic display.
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6518 [23:17:16] <|DM|> I am ok with an option that ends up with everything running through the amd card, as power is not an issue for me at all.
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6522 [23:18:32] <teraflops> sigdk: is just a warning, I can see my phone's folders there
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6527 [23:19:51] <teraflops> sigdk: also, do you have option in the storage menu on the phone as mtp ptp usb storage ?
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6539 [23:22:44] <malade_mental> thanks a lot CutMeOwnThroat I loaded 3.16 and I just forgot pata_jmicron in my kernel compilation
6540 [23:22:48] <malade_mental> you rock :]
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6543 [23:23:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> I didn't even do anything
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6557 [23:26:54] <malade_mental> no but how do we do this on the console?
6558 [23:27:05] <malade_mental> check needed modules for some device by the identifier
6559 [23:27:29] <sigdk> teraflops, no, I don't see it. Anyway, I found a workaround for the files I wanted to transfer
6560 [23:27:41] <sigdk> thanks
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6563 [23:28:26] <teraflops> np
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