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16[00:09:02] <basic`> did something break recently with the debian-ha tools in jessie? I’m using backports to install and getting dpkg dep problems with pacemaker+corosync+crmsh
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19[00:09:28] <teraflops> asterismo_m: you mean asterisk?
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21[00:09:53] <asterismo_m> i dunno, SIP serever, to make VoIP calls
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23[00:09:58] <teraflops> ah
24[00:10:14] <teraflops> you want a client right?
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27[00:10:53] <asterismo_m2> i found this replaced-url
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29[00:11:04] <teraflops> ,v jitsi
30[00:11:05] <judd> Package: jitsi on amd64 -- sid: 2.4.4997-1.2; sid: 2.5.5313-1
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32[00:11:08] <teraflops> hmmm
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34[00:11:26] <asterismo_m3> i found this replaced-url
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53[00:16:39] <toruvinn> that's not really debian related, but is there a way to force SO_KEEPALIVE for all the (tcp) sockets of some already running process (which did not setsockopt())?
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74[00:24:02] <jhutchins> toruvinn: No.
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80[00:25:48] <galex-713> My debian is breaking everytimes I’m trying to install a package
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82[00:26:08] <jhutchins> galex-713: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
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85[00:26:56] <galex-713> replaced-url
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90[00:28:51] <jhutchins> ,v cantor
91[00:28:52] <judd> Package: cantor on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-2; jessie: 4:4.14.2-2; sid: 4:15.12.2-1; stretch: 4:15.12.2-1
92[00:29:41] <TomTomTosch> galex-713: the output of apt-cache policy please.
93[00:29:51] <jhutchins> galex-713: Testing/Unstable sometimes have unresolved dependencies, that's just what they're like. Which are you running?
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97[00:30:38] <galex-713> replaced-url
98[00:30:43] <galex-713> testing
99[00:30:56] <galex-713> I used to have some package from unstable but don’t do it anymore
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103[00:31:45] <TomTomTosch> !tell galex-713 about frankendebian
104[00:32:14] <TomTomTosch> galex-713: you have everything from wheezy to sid in there.
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107[00:32:38] <galex-713> Yeah but the actual distro is jessie
108[00:32:53] <markybob> galex-713: no it's not
109[00:32:55] <galex-713> And it should prioritize jessie
110[00:32:57] <galex-713> Ah?
111[00:33:06] <markybob> galex-713: it's a mix of unsupported insanity
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113[00:33:14] <warsoul> Aorious i have a pc with debian and im trying to connect using terminal y osx via ssh
114[00:33:16] <markybob> !tell galex-713 about dontbreakdebian
115[00:33:16] <warsoul> but i cant
116[00:33:16] <galex-713> How can I fix that?
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120[00:33:26] <markybob> galex-713: you don't fix it. damage is done
121[00:33:33] <galex-713> So I have to reinstall?
122[00:33:35] <TomTomTosch> warsoul: so, is the ssh server running?
123[00:33:40] <markybob> galex-713: read what the bots have told you
124[00:33:42] <warsoul> i dont know
125[00:33:43] <markybob> galex-713: and yes
126[00:33:52] <warsoul> TomTomTosh how can i check it?
127[00:33:55] <markybob> warsoul: two people have told you how to install it already
128[00:34:05] <warsoul> markybob it didnt install
129[00:34:23] <markybob> warsoul: and then you were asked to give info as to the command and output. you did not.
130[00:34:34] <markybob> warsoul: we can't help you if you don't give the information that we request
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134[00:35:00] <warsoul> markybob where can i paste you what it came out
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136[00:35:10] <markybob> paste.debian.net
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139[00:36:04] <jmcnaught> galex-713: pinning is not recommended for Debian Stable. You should use backports, or sometimes maybe backport something yourself. The happiest Debian Stable users find ways to do what they need to with what's included in Stable.
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141[00:36:17] <yelrain> teraflops: Finally figured it out. I had to use the Bridged Adapter connection, instead of the default NAT connection. Thanks for the help!
142[00:36:28] <warsoul> markybob for some reason the explorer is sending me to my internet provider web
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144[00:36:47] <galex-713> jmcnaught: I prefer to be on testing
145[00:36:55] <warsoul> what is saying is that i need to select one to install
146[00:37:08] <warsoul> openssh-server
147[00:37:11] <TomTomTosch> warsoul: you have to paste the output.
148[00:37:12] <teraflops> yelrain: ah. nice
149[00:37:15] <warsoul> lsh-server
150[00:37:22] <warsoul> dropbear
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152[00:37:28] <TomTomTosch> warsoul: stop spamming please.
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154[00:37:41] <jmcnaught> galex-713: in that case, you should head over to the testing channel #debian-next on irc.oftc.net to get better support, and read up on stuff like the testing security policy, apt-listchanges, apt-listbugs etc.
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157[00:37:48] <galex-713> jmcnaught: and as far as I know pinning is made for using chosed/specific things from unstable insto testing
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159[00:38:08] <warsoul> TomTomTosch i cant go to the paste bin
160[00:38:16] <jmcnaught> < galex-713> Yeah but the actual distro is jessie
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165[00:39:01] <TomTomTosch> warsoul: what about this? replaced-url
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169[00:39:43] <jmcnaught> galex-713: yes, pinning can be used to managed a mix of testing/unstable, it's still pretty tricky though. "/msg dpkg tum", that method recommends just setting the Default-Release
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181[00:43:10] <buddybenj> On Debian, is there a way to fix disk errors and bad sectors similar to the CHKDSK on Windows.
182[00:43:25] <avis> good question
183[00:43:44] <markybob> !fsck
184[00:43:44] <dpkg> fsck is probably a file system integrity checker (man 8 fsck), or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck. Ask me about <forcefsck>.
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186[00:44:10] <avis> holy crapola. does this channel support family friended support? it calls me to prayer.
187[00:44:15] <buddybenj> how do i repair disk errors using fsck?
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189[00:44:33] <markybob> buddybenj: you man 8 fsck like it told you to
190[00:45:22] <avis> heck can you man man infinitely ? not if you remember your 3rd grade class and how decent everyone was. it calls me to prayer.
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195[00:45:42] <markybob> avis: then go pray and stop spamming
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200[00:46:40] <buddybenj> I can't find a way to fix disk errors. I only see file system errors
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207[00:50:21] <teraflops> buddybenj: you cannot repair bad sectors
208[00:51:00] <teraflops> also badblocks
209[00:51:30] <jhutchins> buddybenj: If you are seeing bad sectors through a modern hardware interface, chances are the disk is not long for this world.
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211[00:52:13] <jhutchins> buddybenj: If they are stable, you might have some time left. If new ones keep showing up, you may have no more than a few hours left, if that.
212[00:52:28] <jhutchins> buddybenj: It would be wise to install smartmontools and watch for errors in the logs.
213[00:52:43] <jhutchins> buddybenj: Also, to have backups and a replacement plan.
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232[00:58:36] <LunaLovegood> I'm on vacation and I don't have a USB key with me. How do I install Debian from within an existing distro (Ubuntu)?
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234[00:59:10] <slink> LunaLovegood: a dirty method might be installing a virtual machine, mapping it to a physical partition and installing it that way
235[00:59:16] <slink> e.g. qemu
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237[00:59:36] <LunaLovegood> slink: will the host OS remain usable long enough to complete the install??
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239[00:59:50] <galex-713> LunaLovegood: make another partition
240[00:59:53] <slink> are you trying to install along side Ubuntu or over it?
241[00:59:53] <jmcnaught> LunaLovegood: this part of the install manual documents one way of doing it, but it might be easier to purchase a blank CD-R somewhere: replaced-url
242[01:00:00] <LunaLovegood> slink: over it
243[01:00:05] <slink> oh, then that wouldn't work
244[01:00:22] <galex-713> You make your current one smaller, then install on the other, then boot the other, delete the first, and expand the new current to the whole disk
245[01:00:23] <slink> like they said, you need another partition, somewhere to store the installation media, and getting it to boot is another issue
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250[01:01:14] <LunaLovegood> Alright, I'll try stuff. At worst I'll have to wait till I'm back home if I mess up.
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252[01:01:59] <slink> i wouldn't do it on vacation unless absolutely needed
253[01:02:05] <slink> you might end up w/o an OS!
254[01:02:08] <LunaLovegood> meh, I'm bored
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259[01:04:40] <warsoul> replaced-url
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263[01:05:22] <markybob> warsoul: that's not what any of use told you to do
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266[01:05:41] <markybob> warsoul: we said from the start apt-get install openssh-server not ssh-server
267[01:06:00] <jmcnaught> warsoul: if you read that message it tells you you need to pick one of the listed options, the one we recommend, openssh-server is listed there
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269[01:06:55] <warsoul> it says openssh is already the newest version
270[01:07:10] <markybob> i give up
271[01:07:21] <somebody2> then it is already installed :D
272[01:07:32] <warsoul> but i cant still connect
273[01:07:36] <TomTomTosch> warsoul: systemctl status ssh.service
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279[01:09:50] <warsoul> replaced-url
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283[01:10:33] <jmcnaught> warsoul: on that Debian computer as a regular (not root) user, can you do "ssh localhost" ?
284[01:11:52] <warsoul> i didnt try that
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288[01:14:02] <warsoul> i just try it is not connecting either
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290[01:14:38] <jmcnaught> warsoul: please show the command and output in a paste
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293[01:15:51] <Lionyx> Hello guys, when I use xinit /usr/bin/google-chrome it always starts unmaximized, since i'm not using any window manager, how to I maximize it? (option --start-maximized, -start-maximized, --open-maximized didn't work)... is there any how now to rely on software maximization tool, but to use an "fullscreen" argument with xinit? i'm trying to live with as minimum X i can... Debian Jessie here. Tks!
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296[01:17:53] <somebody2> have you tried F11?
297[01:17:58] <Lionyx> yep
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299[01:18:03] <Lionyx> keeps the same thing
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301[01:18:32] <Lionyx> also i can float my mouse on the "blank" area, if this helps anything.
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304[01:19:38] <warsoul> did you saw the paste bin?
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307[01:20:10] <Xtopherus>
308[01:20:41] <jmcnaught> warsoul: no, did you put the URL here?
309[01:21:01] <blind> Lionyx: you could try using --window-size and --window-position?
310[01:21:27] <blind> (not sure if it opens at 0,0)
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321[01:24:09] <jmcnaught> warsoul: i asked you to try "ssh localhost", please stop substituting strings we recommend with your own ideas. "ssh localhost" verbatim, not as root
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324[01:25:52] <warsoul> thats what i did
325[01:26:16] <blind> not in the paste you linked..
326[01:26:18] <jmcnaught> warsoul: the paste you showed says "ssh rootx@108-88-135-22.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net" not "ssh localhost"
327[01:26:31] <warsoul> ok
328[01:26:42] <jmcnaught> warsoul: i'm trying to help you figure out if ssh is listening on localhost
329[01:27:43] <warsoul> replaced-url
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334[01:28:51] <jmcnaught> warsoul: "systemctl status ssh" still reports "active (running)"? Have you made any changes to /etc/ssh/sshd_config?
335[01:29:28] <warsoul> nope
336[01:29:45] <jmcnaught> warsoul: nope to which of my two questions?
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346[01:34:38] <warsoul> yes still reports active running
347[01:34:47] <warsoul> i no i didnt touch nothing else
348[01:35:21] <jmcnaught> warsoul: have you installed of configured a firewall?
349[01:35:32] <jmcnaught> *or
350[01:35:34] <warsoul> have to check
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358[01:37:54] <Lionyx> blind: I did the trick with both options to fit the screen
359[01:38:12] <Lionyx> Buuuuuuuuuuut... nobody ever made an universal tool for maximizing from console? :(
360[01:38:13] <jmcnaught> warsoul: "ssh localhost" should work out of the box. you must have either a) used a different command and then edited your paste or b) uses a firewall to block port 22.
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362[01:38:42] <warsoul> how can i check if the firewall is blocking port 22
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367[01:39:46] <warsoul> i got connect now
368[01:39:51] <warsoul> with ssh localhost
369[01:40:24] <TomTomTosch> but what did you change to get connected?
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371[01:40:56] <TomTomTosch> or did your system just change its mind?
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374[01:41:39] <warsoul> i got connect but using the terminal in the same debian
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376[01:41:48] <warsoul> but if y try to connect in another pc
377[01:41:53] <warsoul> it wont let me
378[01:42:00] <TomTomTosch> right... is it on the same network?
379[01:42:06] <warsoul> yes
380[01:42:16] <warsoul> when i do ssh hostname or ip
381[01:42:24] <warsoul> it says operation timed out
382[01:42:34] <jmcnaught> warsoul: "localhost" is a special name for the computer you're currently on. it's like saying to the computer "talk to yourself"
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385[01:43:07] <TomTomTosch> from the machine you want to use as a client, can you use 'nmap whatever-hostname-the-server-has' and is ssh listed?
386[01:43:28] <warsoul> let me see
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391[01:45:50] <warsoul> replaced-url
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393[01:46:35] <jmcnaught> warsoul: that looks like your public IP address. Are both computers on the same LAN in your home?
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395[01:46:44] <warsoul> yes
396[01:46:59] <TomTomTosch> then get the local address.
397[01:47:08] <jmcnaught> warsoul: what is the hostname of the debian computer? if you're on that computer and you type "hostname" what does it say?
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399[01:47:27] <warsoul> rootx
400[01:47:51] <jmcnaught> warsoul: so from the other computer try "ssh rootx"
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404[01:48:43] <warsoul> ssh: Could not resolve hostname rootx: nodename nor servname provided, or not known
405[01:48:56] <shann> warsoul, ssh 127.0.0.1 ?
406[01:49:24] <jmcnaught> warsoul: okay, go back to the debian computer and use "ip addr" to get the IP address (it'll be next to the work INET, and probably start with 192.168)
407[01:49:32] * simonlnu smells /etc/hosts editing
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409[01:49:50] <ericandrewlewis> What's the difference between the CD and DVD images?
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411[01:50:00] <jmcnaught> simonlnu: sorry that's just my socks i'll go change them
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413[01:50:09] <simonlnu> hehe
414[01:50:09] <blind> Lionyx: admittedly, I don't know terribly much about operating without a window manager but I can't imagine how you'd manage windows without one
415[01:50:43] <warsoul> replaced-url
416[01:50:53] <TomTomTosch> ericandrewlewis: the dvd image contains more packages. if you have a working internet connection all you need is netinst.
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421[01:51:38] <ericandrewlewis> I'm attempting a dual boot on a Mac. Does the DVD image contain packages for making the on-board wifi work?
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427[01:52:23] <TomTomTosch> ericandrewlewis: not if it's non-free firmware. there is an unofficial iso though that contains that.
428[01:52:29] <simonlnu> it doesn't contain firmware, if that's what you're asking...
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434[01:53:25] <ericandrewlewis> There's no official image that includes drivers for proprietary firmware because of project philosophy or legalities?
435[01:53:33] <markybob> ericandrewlewis: the bot told you
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437[01:54:23] <jmcnaught> warsoul: from the other computer you want to do "ssh 10.0.2.15" (or "ssh username@10.0.2.15")
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439[01:55:42] <ericandrewlewis> ah, i see. unofficial in some sense of "comes with no promises," but released by the project
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442[01:56:37] <ericandrewlewis> So the unofficial netinst will work with my wifi?
443[01:56:47] <TomTomTosch> ericandrewlewis: unofficial as in "we totally are free software, but psst, here's some non-free stuff."
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445[01:56:55] <ericandrewlewis> gotcha :)
446[01:57:35] <TomTomTosch> ericandrewlewis: well... it will maybe work. we can tell you if you give us the pciid of your card.
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449[01:58:01] <TomTomTosch> lspci -nn should work with a mac me thinks.
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452[01:59:18] <simonlnu> maybe. that might be linux kernel specific, and not bsd kernel; but apple (or netbsd) might have done a port
453[01:59:25] <ericandrewlewis> lspci command not found :(
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455[01:59:33] * simonlnu might also be totally wrong
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460[02:00:53] <simonlnu> Build-Depends: dpkg-dev (>= 1.16.1~), debhelper (>= 9), zlib1g-dev, libkmod-dev [linux-any], libudev-dev (>= 196) [linux-any], pkg-config
461[02:01:01] <simonlnu> yeah, no bsd
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466[02:02:17] <jmcnaught> ericandrewlewis: you could check for your model here: replaced-url
467[02:02:29] <simonlnu> no, sorry, misread that
468[02:02:46] <simonlnu> says Architecture: any
469[02:03:11] * simonlnu shuts up
470[02:03:22] <ericandrewlewis> I don't think mine is listed...mine is Early 2015
471[02:03:35] <TomTomTosch> well, you were right. i was too lazy to look it up first x)
472[02:03:36] <simonlnu> what's the machine?
473[02:04:01] <ericandrewlewis> Macbook Pro, 13 inch
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475[02:04:08] <simonlnu> ok
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477[02:04:29] <TomTomTosch> ericandrewlewis: look wherever you'd look in a mac and tell us which chipset it uses. that or the pciid if you can find it.
478[02:05:02] <simonlnu> the pciid is gettable, it's just finding the right bsd tool to do it
479[02:05:33] <ericandrewlewis> Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 ?
480[02:06:02] <ericandrewlewis> that's what it says under my wifi firmware version
481[02:06:12] <markybob> !bcm43xx
482[02:06:13] <dpkg> b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. replaced-url
483[02:06:26] <simonlnu> duh me.. in "About this Mac...". been too long
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485[02:07:07] <simonlnu> in "System Profiler" to be specific
486[02:07:36] <TomTomTosch> so the firmware iso will not help.ö
487[02:07:41] <jmcnaught> ericandrewlewis: does it give you a more detailed model number? some broadcoms use a firmware that is not redistributable, so it's not even on the unofficial firmware installer. It's still easy to get working if you can install while connected to ethernet
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489[02:07:49] <stoned-in-laptop> sb clear
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491[02:08:33] <simonlnu> ericandrewlewis: check in System Profiler, should give you full info about the devices there.
492[02:09:00] <simonlnu> last time i used a mac was 6, 7 years ago
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494[02:09:19] <TomTomTosch> today in #d, linux admins trying to figure out a mac :3
495[02:09:26] <simonlnu> hehe
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497[02:09:43] <simonlnu> i started off on mac os 8 :P
498[02:09:46] <ericandrewlewis> simonlnu: I got the BCM43xx out of the Wi-Fi info from System Profiler... there was also a thing after it Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (7.21.95.175.1a6)
499[02:09:51] <jmcnaught> I might be wrong, but i think the BCM4313/43224/43225 firmwares are in the firmware-brcm80211 package and also on the firmware iso. It's the other models that need to use the firmware-b43-installer package (which downloads from the broadcom site)
500[02:09:53] <ericandrewlewis> but I need to know the XX in 43xx?
501[02:10:18] <jmcnaught> ericandrewlewis: you'll be able to install no matter what. if you can use ethernet during the install it will be easiest.
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503[02:10:26] <simonlnu> that pci id should tell you. jusy need to check the pciid web site
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505[02:10:40] <simonlnu> just*. and yeah ethernet works ;)
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507[02:11:22] <ericandrewlewis> So Macbooks don't come with on-board ethernet anymore. Will an ethernet-to-thunderbolt adaptor work?
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509[02:11:56] <simonlnu> should
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512[02:12:34] <simonlnu> was '15 that apple switched them to thunderbolt. that's right. thanks for the reminder
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514[02:12:57] <ericandrewlewis> okay. so get netinst, get ethernet-to-thunderbolt, install, which will get me to a command line. then I install a desktop environment and I'm ready to go?
515[02:12:58] <jmcnaught> ericandrewlewis: maybe? there's also the method discussed here: replaced-url
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519[02:13:59] <simonlnu> or get the firmware off broadcom's site, extract with fwcutter from debian's repos, and install the firmware in /lib/firmware on the debian side
520[02:14:11] * simonlnu had to do that with a netbook
521[02:14:29] <ericandrewlewis> okay. thanks yall :)
522[02:14:48] <simonlnu> enjoy
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524[02:15:06] <simonlnu> linux on macs is really sweet
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536[02:19:58] <jmcnaught> warsoul: hey did you figure it out?
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603[02:54:56] <Langley> Help, I have installed KDE with kde-standard, on Jessie, but it doesn't save when I enable Autostart applications. If I close it and open it again, everything is disabled again
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606[02:55:46] <jml2> Langley, try adding missing kde packages using "tasksel"
607[02:56:06] <MartinRJ__> I'm sorry I have an absolute newbie question. I just installed Debian 8, and clicked 'hide window' in Synergy. Now I have no clue how to get it back.
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611[02:57:10] <jml2> MartinRJ__, i'm assuming your 'notification' area is not enabled, as i suppose thats where synergy's icon is supposed to minimize to
612[02:57:31] <MartinRJ__> thanks for the hint, jml2. I think you're right
613[02:57:39] <Langley> jml2, you mean the whole package with "aptitude install ~t^desktop$ ~t^kde-desktop$" ?
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615[02:58:50] <jml2> Langley, here i noticed package task-kde-desktop, perhaps you can try this one
616[02:59:32] <awal1> MartinRJ__, why " sorry about newbie questions"? this is a general debian channel; not all of us are experts ;) Just ask!
617[02:59:51] <Langley> I'll install that, thanks
618[02:59:53] <awal1> but googling, checking man's is a nice habit before asking :P
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683[03:36:15] <lux7676> hi
684[03:36:30] <grimace> hi lux7676
685[03:36:48] <siloxid> how do I decrease the size of my window titles (I'm using unity)? gnome-tweak-tool doesn't have an option and it's huge (3x larger than the application bar)
686[03:36:52] <lux7676> grimace i was able to install debian 8.4 finally..
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688[03:37:07] <lux7676> its a nice surprise that it comes with vlc player :)
689[03:37:23] <grimace> congratz
690[03:37:28] <lux7676> thanks
691[03:37:29] <dvs> lux7676, what was the problem?
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693[03:37:37] <lux7676> one last problem
694[03:37:45] <lux7676> wifi
695[03:38:03] <lux7676> i did download the package for my wifi firmware
696[03:38:07] <markybob> siloxid: so you're using ubuntu. ask them
697[03:38:26] <lux7676> but
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699[03:38:40] <lux7676> how to i make it run on debian
700[03:38:41] <siloxid> markybob: no, I'm not using ubuntu
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703[03:39:52] <lux7676> after extracting i get 3 folders
704[03:39:56] <markybob> siloxid: debian doesn't have unity
705[03:40:16] <lux7676> the one that i need is the lib folder from what i can see
706[03:40:45] <lux7676> do i need to use terminal to somehow install it ?
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708[03:41:43] <siloxid> markybob: hrm. uname -a says Debian 4.4.6-1 (2016-3-18) x64_64 GNU/Linux
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710[03:41:53] <abrotman> siloxid: lsb_release -a ?
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712[03:42:20] <prussian> siloxid: replaced-url
713[03:42:26] <abrotman> but really, Unity isn'tinDebian
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715[03:42:34] <prussian> idk if it works for unity
716[03:42:34] * abrotman reallyneeds a new keyboard ..
717[03:42:38] <prussian> works on gnome
718[03:42:55] <siloxid> ah well. I'll remove it then
719[03:43:13] <prussian> lux7676: hmm? was a .deb?
720[03:43:19] <jml2> unity is ubuntu
721[03:43:41] <lux7676> yes
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723[03:44:01] <lux7676> there are 3 folders inside of it
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725[03:44:30] <lux7676> lib usr DEBIAN
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727[03:45:10] <prussian> if it's a deb you install it with dpkg
728[03:45:18] <prussian> dpkg -i /path/to/deb
729[03:45:19] * dpkg installs /path/to/deb into prussian's head with a bone saw and a few screws
730[03:45:25] <prussian> .............
731[03:45:42] <prussian> freakin bots
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733[03:46:12] <jml2> lux7676, you have to add non-free repos most of the time to get the firmwares
734[03:46:16] <prussian> ^^^
735[03:46:21] <prussian> but he can't even connect I bet
736[03:46:25] <prussian> because no wifi
737[03:46:32] <prussian> jsut install it then dl it from nonfree
738[03:46:37] <jml2> lux7676, you should conenct with "wire" internet if you can, as of course...
739[03:46:49] <jml2> lux7676, you'd then have to calculate all dependency packages
740[03:47:06] <lux7676> i dont have the wire to connect
741[03:47:06] <siloxid> prussian: wait, I thought unity == gnome3
742[03:47:13] <prussian> is it?
743[03:47:14] <markybob> siloxid: no
744[03:47:16] <lux7676> one sec let me try that
745[03:47:17] <jml2> lux7676, an alternative i think is to also download the 'debian-live non-free', and apt-cdrom add it
746[03:47:18] <abrotman> siloxid: not even close
747[03:47:25] <prussian> then drop that into .config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css
748[03:47:28] <prussian> and see what happens
749[03:47:29] <jml2> lux7676, but that'll take possibly more time just to download
750[03:47:31] <prussian> logout, login
751[03:47:32] <siloxid> huh. how do I find out what wm I'm using?
752[03:47:43] <prussian> it works on gnome 3 but idk much about unity
753[03:47:47] <prussian> it is gtk-3.0 no?
754[03:47:51] <lux7676> i already downloaded the file
755[03:47:53] <markybob> there's probably some about menu. i've never used gnome3 or unity
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757[03:48:10] <prussian> for resizing title bars?
758[03:48:13] <prussian> idk
759[03:48:15] <lux7676> i will try this dpkg -i /path/to/deb
760[03:48:29] <abrotman> he could take a screenshot and share it with us
761[03:48:41] <TomTomTosch> echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP might work.
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763[03:49:19] <jml2> set |grep -i xdg
764[03:49:26] <jml2> :p
765[03:49:29] <siloxid> echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP says gnome
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767[03:49:42] <lordarkmemo> HI, im upgrading debian using apt-get upgrade and there is a lot of package. There is a current big update?
768[03:49:47] <siloxid> so I guess I'm running gnome :P
769[03:50:01] <markybob> lordarkmemo: we went from 8.3 to 8.4 if that's what you mean
770[03:50:13] <markybob> lordarkmemo: last week
771[03:50:46] <lordarkmemo> markybob: Ok. how i check my current version?
772[03:50:54] <abrotman> lordarkmemo: we can't answer that, we don't know the last time you did an upgrade
773[03:51:08] <siloxid> so... how do I shrink the window title in gnome? it's 3x too big for me (everything else I was able to size properly with gnome-tweak-tool)
774[03:51:11] <markybob> lordarkmemo: lsb_release -a
775[03:51:18] <prussian> ....
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777[03:51:54] <prussian> siloxid: replaced-url
778[03:52:12] <prussian> ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css
779[03:52:13] <siloxid> prussian: ok, thanks
780[03:52:28] <siloxid> prussian: sorry, all the questions about ubuntu made my head spin
781[03:52:33] <prussian> lol
782[03:52:35] <prussian> it's ok
783[03:52:47] <prussian> but ya, just log out and back in.
784[03:52:52] <prussian> it gets rid of the huge padding
785[03:52:59] <lordarkmemo> abrotman, markybob thank you.
786[03:53:04] <prussian> then you cna use the gnome tweak tools to adjust your font size
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788[03:53:48] <lordarkmemo> markybob: in debian, is safe to do this kind of updates? or i have to check every package (release notes)
789[03:54:08] <awal1> siloxid, similar to prussian link but more gnome related stuff replaced-url
790[03:54:32] <lux7676> prussian i think something went right because i did not have any errors
791[03:54:39] <prussian> k
792[03:54:43] <prussian> cool
793[03:54:44] <markybob> lordarkmemo: generally point releases are safe.
794[03:54:44] <lux7676> preparing to unpack....
795[03:54:51] <prussian> did you just need nonfree firmware lux7676 ?
796[03:54:52] <lux7676> unpacking firmware....
797[03:55:01] <lux7676> setting up firmware...
798[03:55:15] <prussian> or did you need some monstrous kernel tainting nonfree driver as well?
799[03:55:37] <lux7676> idk yet should i restart the laptopn to see if the wifi works?
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802[03:56:05] <markybob> lux7676: you need to restart after firmware install, yes
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804[03:56:10] <lux7676> ok
805[03:56:15] <lux7676> one moment
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807[03:58:35] <lux7676> prussian WOW it works
808[03:58:41] <prussian> :)
809[03:58:43] <prussian> cool
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811[03:59:05] <lux7676> im really happy
812[03:59:13] <jml2> prove it that it works
813[03:59:18] <grimace> yay
814[03:59:18] <jml2> prove
815[03:59:51] <jml2> i was right. it doesn't work. :))
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818[03:59:56] <lux7676> it works ...
819[04:00:02] <lux7676> jml2
820[04:00:10] <lux7676> 100%
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822[04:00:25] <jml2> holy shit macaroni!! it does work!
823[04:00:32] * jml2 yawns
824[04:00:37] <prussian> lol
825[04:00:44] <prussian> glad I could help I guess
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827[04:01:06] <lux7676> yeah im happy that im ready to switch to another better 100% times system
828[04:01:22] <prussian> what radio was it anyhow?
829[04:01:24] <lux7676> not all linux distributions are so great as we know..
830[04:01:32] <prussian> ya
831[04:01:39] <prussian> I like Debian a lot
832[04:02:00] <lux7676> yeah it seems a lot faster
833[04:02:20] <lux7676> its almost like linux puppy
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835[04:02:40] <lux7676> you click on the icon and its instant
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837[04:02:55] <cafuego> Not the tastiest kind of macaroni I've ever heard of.
838[04:03:36] <abrotman> cafuego: maybe needs some ketchup?
839[04:03:54] <siloxid> prussian: ok, that worked. thanks again :)
840[04:03:58] <prussian> np
841[04:04:05] * cafuego may have grown up near the border, but I am *not* german.
842[04:04:22] <abrotman> heh
843[04:04:44] <lux7676> btw
844[04:05:04] <lux7676> is it possible to see in debian when was the last login date ?
845[04:05:10] <lux7676> just wondering
846[04:05:18] <jml2> lux7676, "man intro" :)
847[04:05:30] <prussian> lux7676: pam_lastlog?
848[04:05:32] <prussian> i think
849[04:05:40] <lux7676> oh
850[04:05:58] <lux7676> command not found
851[04:06:09] <prussian> hmm
852[04:06:16] <LtL> lux7676: last
853[04:06:17] <jml2> (man last)(is another)
854[04:06:17] <cafuego> lux7676: `last`
855[04:06:29] <lux7676> yes
856[04:06:31] <lux7676> it works
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858[04:06:59] <prussian> neat
859[04:07:04] <lux7676> yes
860[04:07:15] <cafuego> that may or may not work for all users depeding on when /var/log/wtmp got rotated.
861[04:07:33] <lux7676> like i said before i dont think i ever met so many people that are willing to help for free
862[04:07:46] <TomTomTosch> we do this for free?
863[04:07:58] <lux7676> lol
864[04:08:06] <jml2> lux7676, that's because it's so easy for many of us who've beenusing it for over a decade
865[04:08:27] <lux7676> jml2 yeah i should been using it a decade ago
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868[04:09:05] <jml2> lux7676, you more reason to, .. so much that even MS is developing and showcasing core "ubuntu" binaries on its Windows 10 platform..
869[04:09:06] <cafuego> TomTomTosch: nope, i expect cider and gin&tonics.
870[04:09:25] <lux7676> jml2 yeah i know
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872[04:09:37] <lux7676> but thats when ubunut pretty much eneded
873[04:09:40] <lux7676> ended
874[04:09:58] <lux7676> ubuntu working with windows, canonical
875[04:10:06] <lux7676> i saw a problem
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877[04:11:19] <jml2> lux7676, one problem with any distro is lack of imho "quality fonts" -- you can find great ones from "google.com/fonts" and drop them in ~/.fonts
878[04:11:20] <lux7676> btw i love how debian is using vls player, it literally works with all different file formats
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880[04:12:09] <Hijiri> lux7676: vlc?
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882[04:12:17] <lux7676> jml2 i kinda like the fonts they have
883[04:12:21] <lux7676> yes
884[04:12:28] <lux7676> vlc
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886[04:12:35] <jml2> lux7676, debian is really a distro with its own development tools.. Debian doesn't have any official user-applications for the most part, but the default desktop afaik is Gnome..
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888[04:12:38] <lux7676> i remember using it since ...forever
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890[04:13:18] <Hijiri> on windows I was using it but then they told me mpc-hc with a bunch of random codecs was better
891[04:13:25] <Hijiri> when I switched to Debian I started using mpv
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893[04:13:38] <Hijiri> actually I think I was using mplayer, then later mpv
894[04:13:39] <jml2> the people at lwks suggest vlc
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897[04:13:55] <Hijiri> vlc causing artifacts is a meme
898[04:14:00] <jml2> (lwks -- professional video editor avail for linux -- it is not opensource just yet)
899[04:14:13] <lux7676> jml2 but thats better i think because what it has preinstalled already is all most people need
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901[04:14:31] <lux7676> i never understood people downlading all kinds of programs
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905[04:15:09] <jml2> lux7676, you'll still need 'flash' for a few sites though -- here i use a quick jump with a 'open in chrome' firefox toolbar button and this tends to do the trick for few problematic sites
906[04:15:30] <jml2> lux7676, security is all key. and flash is just a horrid piece of backdoor for the most part..
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908[04:15:36] <lux7676> jml2 yes
909[04:15:45] <lux7676> i was just about to say that
910[04:16:00] <lux7676> im glad not so many websites are using it
911[04:16:14] <lux7676> but the problem is
912[04:16:16] <lux7676> now
913[04:16:21] <jml2> also in part thanks to mobile platforms ...
914[04:16:36] <lux7676> a lot of websites are using to much js, that is not secure in my opinion
915[04:16:47] <lux7676> specially if you are not on linux
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919[04:17:17] <jml2> lux7676, the firewall by default is not set on linux, you'll have to setup one manally
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923[04:17:26] <jml2> ./manually/
924[04:17:38] <lux7676> ohh
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926[04:17:44] <jmcnaught> prussian: siloxid: that css file works for you for reducing titlebar size in gnome on Jessie? Didn't work for me.
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928[04:17:57] <lux7676> is this the apparmor or something like that ?
929[04:18:02] <jack_rabbit> I wish I could find the link. Recently there was some javascript vm dev who tounge-in-cheek apologized for making the VM fast, since now so many websites think they need to have 50lbs of javascript.
930[04:18:19] <jml2> here i use iptables, but you might be happy enough with "gufw" :).. its' the firewall ubuntu comes with
931[04:18:38] <jml2> (gufw also works with iptables, but it is more of a user front-end)
932[04:18:57] <lux7676> ok so i understand debian does not have it preinstalled ... hm wonder why
933[04:19:01] <Ghost_r00t> I want to use my FTP server (vsftpd) on my local network. it is a wifi local network with just a router. but I don't know what wouldn't know the IP number and the port that I should use.!!!
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936[04:19:13] <lux7676> any good guide to set up iptables ?
937[04:19:24] <prussian> jmcnaught: are you using gnome 3?
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940[04:19:34] <lux7676> no
941[04:19:35] <lux7676> xfce
942[04:19:40] <jmcnaught> Ghost_r00t: with some routers you can just connect to to another computer using the hostname
943[04:19:42] <lux7676> the one with the rat
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947[04:20:30] <jmcnaught> prussian: yes, but the gnome in jessie is 3.14 and AFAICT that version still uses the old mutter themes, it's gnome 3.16 that switched to using GTK css themes. curious why it works for you and not for me
948[04:21:09] <prussian> oh
949[04:21:18] <prussian> well i'm using Sid, sorry lol
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951[04:21:31] <prussian> :(
952[04:21:50] <jmcnaught> prussian: that would explain it :P
953[04:22:20] <prussian> ya it would
954[04:22:21] <prussian> lol
955[04:22:35] <TomTomTosch> no, sid has the same gnome version...
956[04:23:30] <markybob> ,v gnome
957[04:23:31] <judd> Package: gnome on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; sid: 1:3.14+4; stretch: 1:3.14+4
958[04:23:50] <jmcnaught> that's the meta-package
959[04:23:54] <jmcnaught> ,v gnome-shell
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961[04:23:58] <judd> Package: gnome-shell on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7+deb7u2; jessie: 3.14.4-1~deb8u1; stretch: 3.18.1-1; sid: 3.18.4-2; experimental: 3.20.0-1
962[04:24:13] <TomTomTosch> oh, ah. my bad.
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966[04:26:42] <jmcnaught> or, i guess it's mutter that is different for my case
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972[04:30:12] <lordarkmemo> Hi, any good idea to set up a VPN connection between my home computer and my office computer (behind a firewall and proxy)
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976[04:33:53] <kripx> VPN purpose are to work behind proxy and firewall, lordarkmemo
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983[04:37:35] <lordarkmemo> kripx: perfect. Can you share a good tutorial please
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986[04:39:26] <ericandrewlewis> got my dual boot working :D
987[04:39:34] <jml2> ericandrewlewis, good!
988[04:39:38] <ericandrewlewis> hi from debian
989[04:39:45] <jml2> ericandrewlewis, but i hope it's linux1+linux2
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991[04:39:51] <jml2> ericandrewlewis, please no windows
992[04:39:53] <jml2> XD
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996[04:40:15] <ericandrewlewis> mac+debian
997[04:40:34] <jml2> ericandrewlewis, tehehe
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999[04:40:42] <jml2> ericandrewlewis, you would of said "osx" :)
1000[04:40:46] <jml2> ericandrewlewis, liar!
1001[04:41:29] <prussian> :(
1002[04:41:38] <prussian> I'm using a macbook with Debian
1003[04:41:42] <prussian> no OS X though
1004[04:42:00] <prussian> mad about the broadcom-wl crap
1005[04:42:03] <prussian> but :(
1006[04:42:10] <ericandrewlewis> yeah about to figure that out...
1007[04:42:37] <jml2> that was very problematic (here mac) with broadcom on wheezy as it was new to support that -- but on jessie it would be immediately supported
1008[04:43:21] <jml2> but.. of course the "firmware" from non-free also needs to be installed
1009[04:43:24] <jml2> (dmesg |grep fail)
1010[04:43:30] <jml2> (would show missing firmware)
1011[04:43:37] <ericandrewlewis> strange, i'm on jessie but wifi doesn't work out of the box
1012[04:43:43] <ericandrewlewis> ah yes
1013[04:43:44] <jml2> ericandrewlewis, shouldnt
1014[04:43:52] <jml2> ericandrewlewis, you'll have to add those firmware manually
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1017[04:44:34] <ericandrewlewis> is it cool/typical to upgrade the kernel to a later stable?
1018[04:45:07] <markybob> it's not untypical. it's in jessie-backports
1019[04:45:12] <jml2> im not sure at what kernel level bcm-wl for mac became stable, i suppose 3.16 might be good.. i
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1031[04:49:52] <auwooo> WELCOME TO hacker , WE ARE THE MINT HACKER GROUP CHANNEL ... .OFFICIAL WEBSITE FOR MINT ##replaced-url
1032[04:50:05] <cafuego> Do you mind?
1033[04:50:36] <jml2> cafuego, he's flooding the same messages on #linux (reporting to #freenode)
1034[04:50:44] <cafuego> cheers
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1036[04:52:00] <prussian> I just used a USB ethernet thingy
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1038[04:52:09] <prussian> then dl'd the nonfree stuff with it
1039[04:52:10] <prussian> :)
1040[04:52:20] <prussian> they are pretty helpful. definitely recommend
1041[04:52:42] <prussian> still not happy about the nonfree part but oh well. I have a Acer C720 which is 100% foss
1042[04:52:58] <prussian> rms would be proud
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1045[04:53:31] <cafuego> Not sure that's something to aspire to.
1046[04:53:59] <prussian> why not?
1047[04:54:07] <prussian> RMS is great
1048[04:54:18] <markybob> he doesn't like debian for one
1049[04:54:39] <cafuego> Creepy old dude.
1050[04:54:58] <cynicallemon> rms eats his toejam
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1055[04:55:35] <TomTomTosch> he has some good ideas and done lots for the software we use every day... give him that ;D
1056[04:55:38] <prussian> -_-
1057[04:55:47] <markybob> yeah i give him that
1058[04:55:49] <prussian> swear to god. this is why I have no friends
1059[04:55:57] <ericandrewlewis> for the 4.4 kernel there's two packages, a normal-seeming one and one with "PREEMPT_RT"
1060[04:56:16] <markybob> microsoft has good software too
1061[04:57:20] <prussian> seriously?
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1063[04:58:02] <cynicallemon> markybob, yeah, ms ubunutu 10
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1065[04:59:38] <ericandrewlewis> should i install this one? "linux-image-4.4.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 - Linux 4.4 for 64-bit"
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1068[05:02:00] <TomTomTosch> ericandrewlewis: it's linux-image-amd64. it will pull the correct one.
1069[05:04:08] <ericandrewlewis> TomTomTosch: latest vesion of linux-image-amd64 is 3.16, I was hoping to upgrade to a newer stable
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1071[05:04:52] <TomTomTosch> ericandrewlewis: not in backports, you have to tell apt with -t jessie-backports
1072[05:05:01] <markybob> ericandrewlewis: that's when you follow the backports wiki and use -t jessie-backports
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1075[05:06:40] <sorta> i have a block device /dev/sdX that doesn't have any corresponding info in fdisk -l or /sys/block, how do i find more info about why it is there or what module provides it?
1076[05:06:48] <sorta> all known drives accounted for
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1078[05:08:01] <ericandrewlewis> TomTomTosch: markybob: thanks
1079[05:08:11] <Jerm1> Hey folks. I have something in my logs I have not seen until recently. I am not sure I understand the man for it. Would anyone be able to give me the gist of what is going on or point me in the right direction? I don't think it's an issue but it is new and I have not done anything (that I recall). replaced-url
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1081[05:08:16] <tomek__> hello
1082[05:08:22] <simonlnu> ericandrewlewis: nice (debian networking working)
1083[05:08:37] <tomek__> i'm trying to update systemd but apt-get freezes at configuring of udev. any idea?
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1096[05:16:29] <lux7676> so how complicated is to set up the iptables for debian ?
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1098[05:17:13] <markybob> lux7676: iptables can be pretty difficult for beginners. you should probably ask #netfilter for help
1099[05:17:18] <Jerm1> Not any more than any other iptables using distro
1100[05:17:45] <lux7676> hmmm
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1103[05:18:04] <markybob> lux7676: it's just offtopic and they're the pros. that's where one gets iptables help
1104[05:18:16] <lux7676> ohh
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1107[05:19:31] <cynicallemon> i find google search a great tool for finding information...
1108[05:19:42] <lux7676> markybob but how secure is debian the way it comes as standard ?
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1110[05:20:13] <markybob> lux7676: very. for most iptables/firewalls completely unnecessary
1111[05:20:18] <prussian> ^^
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1113[05:20:53] <lux7676> oh ok cool
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1115[05:21:19] <TomTomTosch> so as secure as the admin operating it ;D
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1117[05:24:56] <markybob> TomTomTosch: to be fair i'm not sure some iptables rule would help a complete dumbass admin :P
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1120[05:25:24] <Xtopherus> a dumbass admin couldnt use iptables
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1122[05:25:44] <prussian> lol
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1125[05:27:20] * TomTomTosch looks at all the wordpress and phpmyadmin and whatnot attacks in his access.log
1126[05:27:28] <markybob> oh jesus
1127[05:28:00] <markybob> someone was shocked at me today when i told them their wordpress got hacked. really? it's wordpress
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1129[05:29:32] <TomTomTosch> tehehe. guess they learned a lesson about security :3
1130[05:30:19] <prussian> did they?
1131[05:30:32] <markybob> one can only hope
1132[05:30:32] <prussian> but ya, those are fun TomTomTosch
1133[05:30:52] <prussian> sometimes you get fun little snippets in them
1134[05:31:35] <prussian> that aren't malicious
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1147[05:40:45] <okee> is pdfseparate the same thing as poppler-utils?
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1151[05:42:46] <cynicallemon> wordpress, secure - choose one
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1155[05:44:01] <TomTomTosch> okee: it's part of the package poppler-utils.
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1162[05:44:58] <okee> TomTomTosch> I figured that out. The Debian repo wasn't explicit, but it did show up when searching for pdfseparate.
1163[05:45:04] <okee> thanks.
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1168[05:48:01] <TomTomTosch> it's pretty explicit i'd say. apt-cache show poppler-utils lists everything it contains. you just need to know where to look.
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1184[05:54:55] <okee> TomTomTosch> Any idea why pdfseparate won't separate? I am using the following command pdfseparate -l 04-05-2016_petition-for-Review.pdf 04-05-2016_petition-for-review-11-12.pdf
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1186[05:55:28] <buddybenj> On Debian, is there a way to fix disk errors and bad sectors similar to the CHKDSK on Windows?
1187[05:56:02] <buddybenj> I am not talking about file system errors btw. I know how to use fsck to fix those.
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1189[05:57:13] <AIDS123> will we get an update when iceweasel 38.7.1esr support ends?
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1191[05:58:01] <cafuego> buddybenj: You can tell the FS about the bad sectors, you can't 'fix' bad sectors.
1192[05:58:22] <cafuego> buddybenj: The ony way to resolve bad sectors is to replace the disk.
1193[05:58:32] <markybob> AIDS123: yes. you can switch over to firefox proper now if you want, too
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1195[05:58:42] <cafuego> If it had bad sectors to the extent of causing trouble, you should do that.
1196[05:58:53] <Rusty1_> badblocks?
1197[05:59:35] <AIDS123> markybob: when the support ends, iceweasel will become transitional in stable?
1198[05:59:56] <cafuego> buddybenj: ^ as Rusty1_ says
1199[06:00:08] <buddybenj> Does "attempting to destroy a swap descriptor with active allocations" mean I have bad sectors? Or is it another disk problem?
1200[06:00:10] <markybob> AIDS123: when stretch becomes the next stable that's my understanding
1201[06:00:41] <cafuego> buddybenj: I wonder if it means you're forcing fsck to run on a swap aprtition. is that possible?
1202[06:01:16] <cafuego> just guessing, i googled that message yesterday and didn't see any suefulr esults
1203[06:01:19] <buddybenj> No, it is a regular ext4 partition. Also, it happens when writing large amounts of data, not when running fsck.
1204[06:01:33] <TomTomTosch> okee, never used it, but look into the man page. 1) i don't think you can pass multiple files at the same time 2) you probably want to give -l a value.
1205[06:01:53] <cafuego> buddybenj: Did you use smartctl to grab hardware info?
1206[06:02:02] <buddybenj> Rustyl_: Thanks for telling me about that.
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1209[06:02:47] <buddybenj> cafuego: When I run smartctl it says command not found. Also, when I try to install it, nothing shows up.
1210[06:02:49] <okee> TomTomTosch> I tried giving it an -l value, and to no avail. The usage instructions says -l <int> : last page to extract. Seems a bit vague in the instruction area. There is no man page for pdfseparate
1211[06:02:51] <Rusty1_> a backup of data is reccomended before use
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1213[06:03:03] <cafuego> buddybenj: The package is smartmontools
1214[06:03:15] <buddybenj> Thanks! I'll try.
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1216[06:03:59] <TomTomTosch> okee: the pattern needs to contain %d that will be replaced by the page number.
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1218[06:04:13] <okee> TomTomTosch> Can you give me an example?
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1220[06:04:41] <buddybenj> I still get command not found even after installing the package.
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1223[06:05:01] <TomTomTosch> pdfseparate bla.pdf %d-bla.pdf
1224[06:05:04] <cafuego> buddybenj: is /usr/sbin in your path?
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1226[06:05:43] <okee> TomTomTosch> What happened to the -l in the statement?
1227[06:05:49] <buddybenj> I tried in /usr/sbin and I still get command not found
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1229[06:06:15] <Rusty1_> try as root
1230[06:06:26] <buddybenj> thanks
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1232[06:06:37] <cafuego> as root, /usr/sbin/smartctl -a /dev/sdX
1233[06:06:38] <TomTomTosch> okee: you can add that to specify the last page to extract.
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1235[06:06:56] <cafuego> that'll output a bunch of stuff
1236[06:07:14] <Rusty1_> and preferably not on a disk with a mounted fs
1237[06:07:40] <buddybenj> what do i do with the info
1238[06:07:49] <cafuego> pastebin?
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1240[06:08:13] <okee> TomTomTosch> Still can't get it to work.
1241[06:08:32] <buddybenj> replaced-url
1242[06:08:33] <cafuego> Usually when a disk runs out of non-broken sectors, the Reallocated_Sector_Ct will be up.
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1244[06:08:44] <TomTomTosch> okee: any output?
1245[06:08:55] <okee> TomTomTosch> Nada
1246[06:09:12] <cafuego> buddybenj: That disk looks fine
1247[06:09:24] <TomTomTosch> okee: maybe your pdf is weird. tried a different document?
1248[06:09:36] <buddybenj> So then why would it be giving me errors?
1249[06:09:45] <TomTomTosch> okee: and show me the exact command you used please.
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1251[06:09:58] <okee> TomTomTosch> I don't think it is weird, and was able to use pdfunite on this file with no problem.
1252[06:10:04] <cafuego> buddybenj: The errors aren't *disk* errors then, maybe *filesystem* errors?
1253[06:10:16] <cafuego> buddybenj: Are they getting logged to the kernel log?
1254[06:10:27] <buddybenj> I have ran fsck to fix the file system errors.
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1256[06:10:35] <buddybenj> How do I know if they have?
1257[06:10:43] <cafuego> You check the kernel log.
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1259[06:11:26] <Bsims> okee: try pdf2PS and then the rest of the PS tools?
1260[06:11:56] <okee> Bsims> What does pdf2PS do? Is that in the same pdfseparate suite?
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1262[06:12:02] <buddybenj> I see tons of errors in the log, should I pastebin it?
1263[06:12:47] <TomTomTosch> it converts it into postscript. you should probably try to find a different pdf tool first.
1264[06:13:03] <cafuego> buddybenj: Sure; make sure they don't contain confidential info though.
1265[06:13:05] <Bsims> okee: PS is a very old form of pdf basically but it can be edited with nearly anything as it is a programming language.
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1267[06:14:18] <okee> Bsims> There is a man page for pdf2ps, and it takes options, but it doesn't tell you what the options are; the man page is incomplete.
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1270[06:15:08] <ericandrewlewis> how do any macbook/debian users issue right-clicks?
1271[06:15:22] <ericandrewlewis> trying mouseemu but can't get it working...and wondering if it's for older macs.
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1273[06:16:03] <cafuego> ericandrewlewis: there used to be some special /proc/something file that would help magic that
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1275[06:16:21] <Bsims> okee: run it without any options, I came in late but I had to monkey something up with it once
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1277[06:16:54] <okee> Bsims> is this a separator program? I only want to cut off the last two pages.
1278[06:16:55] <cafuego> ericandrewlewis: cmd-click should work at any rate
1279[06:16:58] <buddybenj> here: replaced-url
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1281[06:17:28] <okee> There needs to be more info in the man pages about pdfseparator, and more documentation in the program.
1282[06:17:40] <cafuego> buddybenj: is the disk plugged in ok?
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1284[06:17:55] <cafuego> buddybenj: I've also seen that after blowing up the sata controller
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1286[06:18:18] <ericandrewlewis> cafuego: command+click works...but that just moves an application window around...
1287[06:18:36] <TomTomTosch> okee: the manpage has it all. even an example.
1288[06:18:46] <Bsims> okee: why not open it in the pdf program of your choice select pdf as printer and simply select the pages you want printed?
1289[06:19:11] <okee> Bsims> Now why didn't I think of that? Duhhh..........
1290[06:19:19] <buddybenj> This disk is plugged in.
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1292[06:19:40] <cafuego> okee: 'pdftk' - pdftk burst foobar.pdf; rm foobar-0007.pdf; pdftk cat output foobar2.pdf foobar-000*.pdf
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1295[06:19:54] <buddybenj> Is there any command on linux that can fix this like the CHKDSK command on windows?
1296[06:20:02] <simonlnu> have x emulate middle click, and right click with cmd key
1297[06:20:13] <cafuego> buddybenj: No, I think your hardware problem is the controller or the cable.
1298[06:20:16] <simonlnu> ericandrewlewis: ^^^
1299[06:20:22] <Bsims> okee: because you are nuke-schooling it?
1300[06:21:06] <ericandrewlewis> simonlnu: via mouseemu?
1301[06:21:23] <simonlnu> no, directly in Xorg
1302[06:21:44] <buddybenj> So I need a new motherboard?
1303[06:21:46] <simonlnu> mouseemu is for ibooks and such. though it might've been updated since...
1304[06:22:04] <simonlnu> or just get a 3 button mouse ;)
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1306[06:22:15] <cafuego> buddybenj: maybe. could just be the cable or the connector. Can you plug the disk into a different connector?
1307[06:22:20] <simonlnu> mac os x handles (handled?) those OK
1308[06:22:48] <buddybenj> I can try that later, but I don't have the time right now.
1309[06:23:36] <simonlnu> you should try getting stuff working with a lefty mouse. heh. most things do it ok now, but i still see things having s***ty left handed mouse support.
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1315[06:25:40] <buddybenj> Thanks for your help. I can try swapping the cable sometime this weekend.
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1317[06:25:53] <ericandrewlewis> ah, working with a trackpad.
1318[06:26:48] <ericandrewlewis> i have a mouse, thankfully, because i intelligently clicked the "turn trackpad off" button in a settings pane. cool button.
1319[06:28:24] <ericandrewlewis> I installed the gnome desktop environment. Does that use xorg config for emulations?
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1322[06:31:00] <somiaj> ericandrewlewis: what do you mean by emulations?
1323[06:32:01] <Bsims> ericandrewlewis: xorg hasn't needed a prewritten config in nearly 6 years, but yes gnome uses xorg in the background
1324[06:32:02] <ericandrewlewis> it was suggested earlier that I should emulate right click with the cmd key in my Xorg configuration, so that I can right click.
1325[06:32:20] <Bsims> ok, yes it should be carried through IIRC
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1328[06:32:47] <somiaj> ericandrewlewis: this is still true, the difference as Bsims pointed out, xorg is a lot better at automatically detecting things so you don't need a config by default to run xorg
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1330[06:33:23] <somiaj> ericandrewlewis: you can add just the bits you need to the xorg.conf file (or create a small config snippit and put it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/) to add settings if you need.
1331[06:33:45] <somiaj> ericandrewlewis: you can also look at xinput, it can help you configure your input devices
1332[06:33:49] <cynicallemon> i miss the days of spending a day to get xorg conf right
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1336[06:34:41] <somiaj> I still need one for my setup
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1338[06:34:46] <somiaj> (well I only need parts of it)
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1355[06:44:02] <avis> can a freenode server be run on a i386 with no selinux and ipv6 disabled ?
1356[06:44:42] <avis> using an i7
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1358[06:45:37] <jml2> selinux controls writes access
1359[06:46:23] <jmcnaught> avis: you probably want to use amd64 on an i7. you could probably run an ircd, but i imagine to be part of the freenode network you'd need the server to be in a datacentre (and you'd be better asking in #freenode about this part)
1360[06:46:42] <jml2> !amd64
1361[06:46:42] <dpkg> amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>.
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1367[06:47:24] <s4ndm4n> How does one install Debian on UEFI systems with full disk encryption? I am all confused
1368[06:47:37] <jml2> s4ndm4n, not supported
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1370[06:47:47] <jml2> s4ndm4n, but is technically possble if you do it manually
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1372[06:48:03] <jmcnaught> jml2: not true
1373[06:48:05] <jml2> s4ndm4n, closest that is supported is using /boot outside the encrypted "/"
1374[06:48:11] <jml2> jmcnaught, since when?
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1376[06:48:22] <jmcnaught> s4ndm4n: you need to use the debian installer, live images don't support UEFI
1377[06:48:43] <jmcnaught> jml2: wheezy installer had basic UEFI support. the jessie installer does it just fine
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1379[06:48:44] <s4ndm4n> jmcnaught: I am using netinstall iso
1380[06:48:53] <jml2> jmcnaught, wrong person
1381[06:48:59] <cafuego> avis: Easiest would be to ask on #linode.
1382[06:49:20] <jml2> oh uefi.. that
1383[06:49:28] <jmcnaught> jml2: you asked since when
1384[06:49:30] <jml2> i suppose he means the efi parition not showing up either
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1388[06:49:41] <jml2> ... should be possible to even have systems with the efi partition
1389[06:49:58] <jmcnaught> the installer will make sure that the efi partition exists
1390[06:50:03] <jml2> (efibootmgr -- throw some bootcode into the uefi firmware -- -though i'm not familiar with fde this way)
1391[06:50:16] <jml2> ./with/without ..
1392[06:50:31] <jml2> but i've never done it
1393[06:50:54] <jmcnaught> jml2: again, the installer can do full disk encryption on a UEFI system, all pretty much automatic if you use guided partitioning
1394[06:51:23] <s4ndm4n> Want little bit of customization jmcnaught
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1396[06:51:27] <jml2> jmcnaught, without a efi partition?
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1398[06:51:38] <jml2> jmcnaught,
1399[06:51:41] <jml2> (nm :)
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1401[06:51:47] <jmcnaught> the installer will make the efi partition
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1406[06:52:14] <jmcnaught> s4ndm4n: you can customize things in the installer too. you can even do guided partitioning to set it all up, then go back and tweak it
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1408[06:52:38] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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1411[06:52:55] <s4ndm4n> Let me read that up jmcnaught
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1413[06:53:26] <jml2> mya i suggest you can also use uefi in vbox, you practice the setup in vbox (provided you turn on uefi in the vm settings)
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1419[06:57:02] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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1424[06:58:20] <tomek__> i got wrong free space size by df -h. how can i fix that ?
1425[06:58:28] <s4ndm4n> jmcnaught: " you can customize things in the installer too. you can even do guided partitioning to set it all up, then go back and tweak it"
1426[06:58:37] <jml2> tomek__, by how much?
1427[06:58:47] <s4ndm4n> That happens after installation or during installation? jmcnaught
1428[06:58:49] <jml2> tomek__, commonly it is that default 5%, that is easy to fix
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1430[06:59:13] <tomek__> i got about 900mb free of 10gb. but i cant see any big files with ncdu
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1433[06:59:55] <jmcnaught> s4ndm4n: during the installation. you can select guided partitioning lvm with encryption. then you still get the change to customize things in the paritioning screen
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1435[07:00:21] <s4ndm4n> I missed that
1436[07:00:25] <s4ndm4n> :(
1437[07:00:41] <jmcnaught> s4ndm4n: do the advanced install if you want to get asked more questions
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1481[07:22:30] <simonlnu> uefi++
1482[07:22:59] <simonlnu> reminds me of open firmware a bit, but a lot more better :P
1483[07:23:11] <simonlnu> (i know that's bad grammar)
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1486[07:24:23] <test_user> /join #Tutorials
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1510[07:38:05] <okee> It is strange that I am trying to print page 3 of a large pdf, and page 25 is coming out instead. Any thoughts on this?
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1522[07:41:56] <jmcnaught> okee: is it page 3 according to the page numbers in the footer or header, or the third page of the PDF? You know how in books "Page 1" isn't actually the first sheet of paper, there are often table of contents, title pages etc before the numbered pages start
1523[07:42:36] <okee> jmcnaught> I have compensated for that, and it always prints the last page, regardless of what is up above.
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1525[07:43:04] <TomTomTosch> what is it?
1526[07:43:28] <TomTomTosch> maybe try a different pdf viewer.
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1533[07:45:44] <jmcnaught> okee: or do a preview before you print
1534[07:46:00] <hiya> which version of debian uses the least amount of RAM for openvpn? Can we run ovpn in 128MB RAM KVM?
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1537[07:46:41] <cafuego> hiya: I'd expect so
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1539[07:47:10] <cafuego> hiya: Just a current supported debian though, not a "least ram debian"
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1543[07:48:33] <alkisg> Is manpages.debian.org supposed to work? Is there a debian URL with all the manpages?
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1545[07:48:47] <TomTomTosch> 128MB is very tight. i'd go with twice as much at least.
1546[07:49:27] <TomTomTosch> 512 is also recommended for no desktop debian stable.
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1552[07:50:27] <hiya> TomTomTosch, :D But what if we don't have it?
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1554[07:51:08] <cafuego> hiya: Give it 128 and see how you go. Don't run anything non-essential on it.
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1556[07:51:27] <okee> jmcnaught> Found the problem. The numbers is in the input box, and not just a selection.
1557[07:51:39] * cafuego used to run a desktop env with 16MB ;-)
1558[07:51:50] <hiya> cafuego, of course I won't, purely ovpn and ssh (i would even disable ssh)
1559[07:51:57] <PullFinger> 8MB was enough for DOS+DesqView
1560[07:52:08] <PullFinger> Any clown could do it hehe
1561[07:52:16] * alkisg ran networked windows 3.11 on 2 mb ram :D
1562[07:52:19] <cafuego> hiya: some form of logging and firewalling
1563[07:52:26] <alkisg> *netbooted
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1565[07:53:33] <hassonofer> Hey, yesterday there was an update to the kernel (jessie) and now my HDMI port on my Dell Latitude does not work, any suggestions ?
1566[07:54:01] <cafuego> hassonofer: Does it work again when you boot with the previous kernel?
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1568[07:54:09] <hiya> cafuego, ok I get it, but of course I would run ufw ?
1569[07:54:21] <hassonofer> how do i do that ?
1570[07:54:22] <hiya> I don't know how well would it go, I should just boot and start
1571[07:54:46] <hassonofer> cafuego, From the grub menu ?
1572[07:54:50] <cafuego> hassonofer: yep
1573[07:54:52] <hassonofer> I'll try now, and come back here
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1577[07:55:15] <cafuego> Debug step 1: Does the problem persist if I undo the change.
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1583[07:58:29] <hassonofer> cafuego, I only have a single kernel installed, but it does work now, I don't know whats chaged
1584[07:58:51] <hassonofer> How do I keep older kernels when I install a new one via apt-get ?
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1586[08:00:09] <cafuego> Can't remember, mine just does it. I had dozens of the damned things at some point.
1587[08:00:40] <hassonofer> hehe
1588[08:01:23] <ryouma> hassonofer: mine seem to stick around too
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1607[08:12:17] <mi11k1> whats the best way to runa nodejs app as a service, debian or jessie?
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1609[08:12:32] <Myrtti> jessie is debian...
1610[08:12:43] <mi11k1> soorry wheezy
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1612[08:12:48] <mi11k1> either or
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1614[08:12:59] <esainane> wheezy was also debian
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1616[08:13:16] <mi11k1> i know, i mean systemd or or init
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1619[08:13:32] <mi11k1> its on rpi i can use either dist
1620[08:14:16] <mi11k1> i tried supervisor, i dont get it
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1626[08:16:13] <defanor> i'd like to try some emacs mode for debian (dealing with apt and such), like debian-el or apt-mode. though don't really need those, and don't have any requirements; just want to see what's there, and too lazy to try everything. could you suggest any particular package/mode?
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1629[08:17:32] <ryouma> i use a good one for apt
1630[08:17:53] <defanor> ryouma: how's it called?
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1632[08:18:21] <ryouma> apt sources mode
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1636[08:19:18] <defanor> will check now, thanks
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1639[08:19:35] <defanor> and what does it do, btw?
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1641[08:20:21] <ryouma> just colorizes
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1643[08:21:16] <defanor> hm, can't find it
1644[08:21:31] <defanor> is it a part of some bigger package?
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1647[08:21:56] <mi11k1> what are u looking for?
1648[08:21:56] <defanor> ah, probably that – replaced-url
1649[08:22:00] <defanor> should be in debian-el
1650[08:22:01] <mi11k1> oh
1651[08:22:10] <defanor> mi11k1: idk, just want to check what's there
1652[08:22:27] <defanor> i have debian and emacs on it. so figured that could try something like that
1653[08:22:52] <mi11k1> is that imacs liitle brother?
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1655[08:23:46] <defanor> International Association for Mathematics and Computers in Simulation?
1656[08:24:22] <mi11k1> emacs sounds better
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1659[08:24:37] <defanor> hm, turns out there's more than one thing abbreviated as imacs
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1663[08:25:33] <defanor> anyways, will install debial-el and check it now. apparently it includes that apt-sources-mode
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1665[08:26:19] <defanor> uh oh, lots of dependencies
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1673[08:29:56] <defanor> tried apt-sources. it highlights them, indeed
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1678[08:32:27] <nath> bonjour tout le monde
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1681[08:32:40] <shann_> hi everybody.
1682[08:33:36] <Guest46443> je voulais essayer linux, j'ai donc installé la version ubuntu 14.04LTS mais il m'eest impossible de me logger
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1689[08:36:39] <defanor> that "apt package info" thing from debian-el also seems nice
1690[08:37:42] <Guest92929> ta fait attention si le pavé numérique est activé et tu as bien mis clavier fr ?
1691[08:39:04] <bhuddah> !fr
1692[08:39:05] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
1693[08:39:07] <Guest46443> bonjour guest 92 merci de ta reponse , je ne pense pas que le probleme vienne de la puisque la fenetre de logg nindique pas la saisie d'un mauvais mot de passe , le systeme semble se lancer , ecran noir , puis retoour a la fenetre de log
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1695[08:39:38] <Guest46443> merci dpkg thx dpkg
1696[08:40:17] <Guest46443> guest je vais sur le channel indiqué
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1737[08:57:33] <olerem__> hallo all, i wont to update unmaintained debian package to latest source version and push it to debian sid, what should i do for it?
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1751[09:01:56] <harajuko> what is the debian version?
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1787[09:18:04] <MagePsycho> how to do this: i want to ssh to remote and run some command with single line command? like ssh user@host && tail -f /var/log/*.log
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1789[09:18:55] <rozie> MagePsycho: replaced-url
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1793[09:20:03] <MagePsycho> rozie, i know the basic but how to run certain command after ssh connect?
1794[09:20:43] <harajuko> do you want exec the command on remote or local host?
1795[09:20:58] <rozie> on remote, I guess
1796[09:21:10] <MagePsycho> 1. connect to remote via ssh and run some command
1797[09:21:20] <harajuko> i you want exec the command in remote ssh@host command
1798[09:21:21] <MagePsycho> i dont want two separate commands
1799[09:21:41] <rozie> MagePsycho: these are not basics. this are tricks and useful, but not obvious commands
1800[09:21:56] <rozie> and there is exact command you are looking for
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1804[09:23:23] <MagePsycho> replaced-url
1805[09:23:31] <MagePsycho> so removing && will do it
1806[09:23:40] <MagePsycho> thanks guys
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1809[09:23:56] <MagePsycho> or include that command in quotes
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1864[09:51:07] <malinus> what's the name of the package that "spoofs" a RTC so you at least save the last time, instead of starting at 1970 at every boot (if you don't have a RTC).
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1867[09:52:32] <nevyn> malinus: if you have networking just configure ntp
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1869[09:52:44] <nevyn> it's more accurate than most rtc's anyway
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1894[10:05:04] <malinus> nevyn: nah, this wan't a xyproblem. I needed fake-hwclock, but thanks for the suggestion anyway.
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1924[10:20:19] <Serial|Link> LOL DEBIAN
1925[10:20:22] <Serial|Link> FOR THE CHEEP ASS
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1927[10:20:26] <Skyrider> Greetings all
1928[10:20:30] <Serial|Link> WHO CANNOT AFFORD WINDOWS
1929[10:20:36] <Serial|Link> WINDOWS RULES
1930[10:20:42] <Skyrider> The glass type or software type? :p
1931[10:20:43] <Serial|Link> ESPECIALLY ON AN 8 CORE A.M.D. CPU
1932[10:21:02] <Serial|Link> Skyrider: "Windows rules"
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1934[10:21:10] <Serial|Link> if Windows was the glass type it is plural
1935[10:21:10] <Skyrider> Who is familiar with "/usr/bin/select-editor"?
1936[10:21:17] <Serial|Link> and it would be "Windows rule"
1937[10:21:25] <Serial|Link> so clearly I meant the software type
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1939[10:21:53] <Serial|Link> LOL GRAMMAR-NAZIISM
1940[10:21:58] <Serial|Link> LOL
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1952[10:25:03] <TomTomTosch> !ask
1953[10:25:03] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1954[10:25:09] <TomTomTosch> Skyrider: ^
1955[10:25:28] <Skyrider> Sorry, didn't came around to ask it.. fixing up my vps :p
1956[10:25:36] <Skyrider> Either case, the select-editor was using about 20% cpu usage
1957[10:25:38] <Skyrider> Was wondering why.
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1964[10:29:27] <TomTomTosch> it does? it's just a script that selects an editor.
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1966[10:31:10] <TomTomTosch> it's not a service or anything. sure it was /usr/bin/select-editor ?
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1970[10:33:20] <Skyrider> Pretty sure according to htop.
1971[10:33:23] <Skyrider> Killed the process by ID though.
1972[10:33:24] <jelly> Skyrider: next time, verify with lsof -np PID it's actually that command. Don't trust the command line shown in top or ps, some malware can change it.
1973[10:33:50] <jelly> tho they usually change it to something more common.
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1975[10:34:03] <Skyrider> Alrighty. But it happened as soon I selected an editor my crontab.
1976[10:34:18] <Skyrider> can't be a coincidence
1977[10:34:26] <jelly> so it's probably really that thing
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1980[10:34:56] <jelly> you can also strace the process to try and figure out what it's doing
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1985[10:37:17] <seeother> hi all
1986[10:37:46] <seeother> I have trouble with wifi on debian 7
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1988[10:39:11] <seeother> device is 03:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvA Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10)
1989[10:39:12] <rozie> seeother: more details pls. right now I can suggest upgrade to 8, as it is current stable version
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1991[10:39:50] <seeother> rfkill says
1992[10:39:50] <seeother> 0: phy0: Wireless LAN
1993[10:39:50] <seeother> Soft blocked: yes
1994[10:39:50] <seeother> Hard blocked: no
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1998[10:40:19] <rozie> replaced-url
1999[10:40:32] <seeother> sorry
2000[10:40:50] <rozie> just unblock it using rfkill
2001[10:41:02] <seeother> replaced-url
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2004[10:41:28] <seeother> and rfkill unblock wifi; rfkill unblock all; rfkill unblock 0 does nothing
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2008[10:42:16] <rozie> take a look on your network manager (probably nm or wicd)
2009[10:42:24] <rozie> there should be option to unblock
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2019[10:49:24] <mcnesium> do I need to install the package libvpx-dev to encode webm video on debian jessie using ffmpeg? is there no libvpx non-developer-but-just-use package?
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2027[10:53:48] <mcnesium> nevermind, I will just use the homebrew version
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2040[10:58:58] <plasmoduck> How do I reconfigure apt and change my mirror?
2041[10:59:27] <seeother> rozie: thanks, ``nmcli nm wifi on'' helped me
2042[10:59:57] <rozie> seeother: exactly, that means that network manager had wifi turned off
2043[11:00:35] <TomTomTosch> !tell plasmoduck about sources.list
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2098[11:23:27] <Che-Anarch> Is there a way I can temporarily isolate network / net access for a given process?
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2136[11:42:03] <harajuko> che-anarch you can use use the namespace!!
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2349[11:56:13] <huwenfeng> any PAM module / auth service to divide the one password into two parts, and authen the two parts with different authenticatoin method, then give the result of TRUE if both are granted , and give False if any are denied. The user have only one chance to input the password, so I need them to input two password together, then divide the password into two parts and auth them with different auth method.
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2376[12:06:48] <xstation> are all iso's at the debian repo bootable from a usb I have downloaded cd 1
2377[12:07:33] <TomTomTosch> use whatever medium your motherboard is capable booting from.
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2379[12:07:58] <xstation> ok thankyou
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2381[12:09:55] <xstation> my wife needs dare I say it windows suggestions have been to run in vmware or vbox rather than dual boot -any suggestions other than get a new wife
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2387[12:11:56] <jback> virtualbox? done?
2388[12:11:58] <xstation> or run vbox headless in a debian server
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2391[12:13:16] <xstation> abortman: wo you were here about 10 years agi -I think
2392[12:13:25] <xstation> ago
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2401[12:17:39] <tholu> After upgrading to jessie I get this error: "Restarting redis-server (via systemctl): redis-server.serviceJob for redis-server.service failed. See 'systemctl status redis-server.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details. failed!" - however, redis (re)starts fine?!?
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2404[12:18:32] <tholu> Also, how am I supposed to set the ulimit for the redis user on Debian?
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2492[12:36:58] <strk> where does xdg-open find its configuration ?
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2506[12:37:48] <bazhang> ,v xdg-utils
2507[12:37:49] <judd> Package: xdg-utils on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.2+cvs20100307-2; squeeze-security-lts: 1.0.2+cvs20100307-2+deb6u1; wheezy-security: 1.1.0~rc1+git20111210-6+deb7u3; wheezy: 1.1.0~rc1+git20111210-6+deb7u3; jessie: 1.1.0~rc1+git20111210-7.4; sid: 1.1.1-1; stretch: 1.1.1-1
2508[12:37:51] <strk> I keep getting gimp to open pdfs and can't understand why. I already found and commented-out a gimp handler for pdfs in /etc/mailcap bu it wasn't enough
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2513[12:38:21] <bazhang> why not right click properties set open with
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2516[12:38:30] <bazhang> is this gnome or what
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2519[12:38:56] <strk> xdg-settings --list # only shows default-url-scheme-handler and default-web-browser
2520[12:38:59] <strk> this is Mate
2521[12:39:03] <themill> strk: xdg-open doesn't do that at all, it passes the file off to whatever system it seems that you are using for your program preferences
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2525[12:39:27] <bazhang> not used mate, sorry
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2527[12:40:07] <strk> bazhang: right-click OpenWith worked, thanks !
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2529[12:40:17] <themill> under mate, xdg-open first tries gvfs-open then mate-open; configure whichever of them you have
2530[12:40:19] <bazhang> whoa!
2531[12:40:19] <strk> I'd still like to know _where_ that configuration ends up being written, but my problem for now is solved :)
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2540[12:41:45] <wewlad> hello debs
2541[12:41:52] <themill> both gvfs-open and mate-open will be looking at .desktop files (probably in ~/.local/share/applications
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2547[12:43:21] <wewlad> how a plain user is supposed to work with '/media'?
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2549[12:43:35] <wewlad> I can not mkdir there unless I'm su'ed
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2553[12:44:09] <strk> wewlad: a plain user is not supposed to work with /media, I guess, what do you need /media for ?
2554[12:44:12] <wewlad> I can't mount stuff to dirs there as 'user has no write access to mountpoint /media/something'
2555[12:44:30] <wewlad> strk: I'd like to make some more handy use of ssh
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2561[12:44:38] <strk> mount under your home ?
2562[12:44:40] <wewlad> so I've learned there's sshfs
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2566[12:44:57] <themill> wewlad: you either configure (as root) things to be mounted properly or you use udisks2 to do the mounting for you
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2569[12:45:05] <digdilem> yes. general linux policy is not to allow a user to make a change that affects other users - having write access to a system folder like /media does.
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2571[12:45:09] <strk> what's the '+' sign in the file permissions? (never was before): 'drwxr-x---+'
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2578[12:45:33] <wewlad> strk: execute, lol
2579[12:45:52] <themill> err no.
2580[12:45:52] <wewlad> oh, sorry, I was diagonally to the monitor
2581[12:45:57] <wewlad> you mean +, not x
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2585[12:46:10] <strk> right, and it's in the 11th position
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2587[12:46:18] <strk> drwxr-x---+ 2 root root 4096 Apr 4 17:56 .
2588[12:46:18] <strk> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Dec 30 10:45 ..
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2591[12:46:36] <digdilem> strk, that file has extended permissions known as ACLs
2592[12:46:38] <strk> that's a directory under /media, btw
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2594[12:46:49] <strk> digdilem: how to inspect those ACLs ?
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2596[12:46:56] <digdilem> strk, to find out what, run; getfacl filename
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2600[12:47:26] <themill> wewlad: you might like to look at fusermount
2601[12:47:28] <digdilem> this has more background if you need it; replaced-url
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2606[12:48:47] <wewlad> themill: fusermount - unmount FUSE filesystems
2607[12:49:01] <wewlad> I haven't yet mounted anything to unmount it
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2609[12:49:16] <MagePsycho> how are you guys managind .dot files
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2611[12:50:05] <wewlad> 'man udisks2' - no manual entry for udisks2
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2613[12:50:07] <ChrisH> MagePsycho: using rm ?
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2615[12:50:17] <mattma> I'm following a tutorial to install and run glassfish, how can I know if I've done this installation correctly? "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/java"?
2616[12:50:41] <mattma> because the next step involves installing oracle-java7-installer, but that doesn't work
2617[12:50:44] <bazhang> ,v glassfish
2618[12:50:46] <judd> No package named 'glassfish' was found in amd64.
2619[12:50:56] <bazhang> isnt glassfish long dead
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2624[12:51:33] <mattma> wouldn't know, I just need a very basic setup where I can deploy some rest methods
2625[12:51:38] <bazhang> mattma adding an ubuntu PPA to debian?
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2627[12:52:16] <mattma> I am very new with linux distros, so I wasn't aware that was ubuntu specific
2628[12:52:22] <bazhang> it is
2629[12:52:24] <ChrisH> Glassfish is not yet dead, but it smells a bit :)
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2631[12:52:45] <bazhang> glassfish was dead, ten or so years ago
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2633[12:53:06] <mattma> bazhang: thanks for the help, I'll go and look for that for debian.. heh
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2636[12:53:30] <bazhang> java desktop? that glassfish?
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2638[12:54:04] <bazhang> ,v e17
2639[12:54:07] <judd> Package: e17 on amd64 -- stretch: 0.17.6-1; sid: 0.17.6-1; jessie: 0.17.6-1
2640[12:54:16] <ChrisH> replaced-url
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2642[12:54:17] <mattma> all I know is that I can use glassfish with Netbeans and then deploy my restful web app to glassfish
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2646[12:54:58] <bezaban> I seem to remember that e development was on again. Is it just that they're very slow at incrementing the versions?
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2648[12:55:16] <bezaban> seem to remember e16 like 10 years ago
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2652[12:56:02] <c00kiemon5ter> hi all, I'm struggling with this system .. Debian Wheezy with broken python installation that I can't seem to fix
2653[12:56:06] <bezaban> ah. wikipedia to the rescue. E17 was in development for 12 years :P
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2655[12:56:14] <c00kiemon5ter> python --version returns Python 2.7.3
2656[12:56:29] <c00kiemon5ter> if I try to import urlparse I get ImportError: No module named urlparse
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2658[12:56:40] <mattma> ChrisH: I think I need the version 7 and found this replaced-url
2659[12:56:40] <c00kiemon5ter> same with gzip and others
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2664[12:57:39] <themill> c00kiemon5ter: perhaps you can start with "type -a python" and "aptitude search ~npython~i"
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2667[12:58:19] <c00kiemon5ter> ah, type, good idea, but it is normal: python is /usr/bin/python
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2676[13:00:03] <themill> c00kiemon5ter: btw can you summarise how you've ended up in this position? Installing things with pip as root, for instance?
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2681[13:02:09] <c00kiemon5ter> themill, nobody knows .. another guy left and the system is in this condition without any explanation of what was going on before
2682[13:02:19] <c00kiemon5ter> here is the aptitude result: replaced-url
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2687[13:03:24] <themill> yay for cow-orkers
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2690[13:04:27] <themill> There's not much there for someone who cares about python stuff, but as a starting point, how about "aptitude reinstall ~npython~i"
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2695[13:05:46] <c00kiemon5ter> E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the postgresql-plpython-8.4 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
2696[13:05:48] <c00kiemon5ter> E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download
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2699[13:05:54] <c00kiemon5ter> heh
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2703[13:07:05] <carandraug> hi! Could anyone explain why underscore is not a valid character for version string (according to replaced-url
2704[13:07:18] <themill> c00kiemon5ter: yeah, that's an old obsolete package that should have been removed after the squeeze->wheezy upgrade. Try removing it and then try again
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2706[13:08:05] <themill> carandraug: _ is used as the separator between package name, version string and architecture in the filenames
2707[13:08:22] <mattma> ChrisH: bazhang thanks for the help, I managed to update the java version
2708[13:08:43] <bazhang> ok
2709[13:08:59] <carandraug> themill: hmm... so underscore is also not valid as package name. I see...
2710[13:09:06] <themill> carandraug: correct
2711[13:09:27] <themill> carandraug: §5.6.1
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2713[13:10:55] <carandraug> themill: my question is that I'm trying to select a set of characters for version string (for package management of a programming language). While making the choice, we are thinking of following Debian on the basis that if we follow Debian we can't be too wrong.
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2718[13:12:29] <carandraug> but underscore is listed as one of the portable characters according to the Open Group Base Specifications so I was wondering why Debian did not include it. Thank you
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2720[13:12:56] <themill> carandraug: yeah, a defined collation order is the most important thing; being able to have a way that sorts alpha < beta < rc < final is part of the trick.
2721[13:13:16] <themill> (and the use of ~ and + are a nice trick)
2722[13:13:24] <carandraug> themill: yeah. We are considering adopting Debian's "~"
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2725[13:13:50] <themill> from memory rpm adopted that meaning for ~ too so there's good precedent on that
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2727[13:14:33] <carandraug> themill: if the reason for not supporting underscore is because it's used as separator, does that mean that you rely on being able to parse the package components (version, name, and arch) from the deb filename?
2728[13:14:47] <Elgu> hi I'm new to Debian, installed it yesterday and upgraded to sid, feels very good, so I want to ask, does anyone know why alsa sound makes a weid noised when I loop a webm file in firefox? It's like a crack.
2729[13:15:21] <themill> carandraug: nothing should but it's also about namespaces and prevention of clashes
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2732[13:16:24] <ChrisH> mattma: Your link still seems Ubuntu'ish and not needed. Get Glassfish from Oracle and Java from DEbian repos.
2733[13:16:37] <carandraug> themill: I don't follow. Could you clarify please?
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2735[13:17:42] <themill> carandraug: imagine there was no separator used; package foo version 21 would have the same filename as package foo2 version 1.
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2737[13:18:08] <themill> So there has to be a separator and it has to be outside the legal characters for packages, versions and architectures
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2740[13:19:31] <themill> the casual user might also take advantage of this structured data with globs bounded by _ but nothing in the infrastructure does.
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2742[13:19:48] <carandraug> themill: hmm.... I understand. So even if it's not an issue for parsing filenames (because that should not happen), the two files must be able to co-exist in the same directory.
2743[13:20:21] <themill> yes, that's the idea. They'd both end up in /var/cache/apt/ on the user's machine
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2745[13:20:42] <c00kiemon5ter> themill, thanks for the pointers, it seems it is fixed now - I removed postgresql-plpython and some other missing packages that appeared after removing that and reinstalling worked and import works
2746[13:20:45] <c00kiemon5ter> thank you
2747[13:21:05] <carandraug> themill: very good. I knew we couldn't go wrong if we followed Debian ;) Thank you for the clarification
2748[13:21:06] <themill> np
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2750[13:21:46] <c00kiemon5ter> also, it seems aptitude does a lot more sanity checks than apt-get, a bit slower but nicer interface I guess
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2753[13:23:58] <wewlad> debians, how to manage autorun on debian? I'd like to ssh-agent and sshfs something at system start, how do I do that properly?
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2756[13:25:29] <bazhang> what is the something wewlad
2757[13:25:58] <wewlad> bazhang: sshfs with 2 arguments, obviously
2758[13:26:18] <wewlad> [remote ssh server and local mountpoint]
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2761[13:26:52] <mattma> hmph, I finally managed to setup everything on my VPS for the glassfish and server, and it turns out I dont have enough ram
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2763[13:27:11] <mattma> well, better upgrade my VPS :D
2764[13:27:34] <shann_> wewlad, you can create a service systemd for this (replaced-url
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2771[13:29:06] <wewlad> shann_: thanks for the link, but there's a huge wall of text there... is there a simpler and maybe GUI method for that?
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2775[13:30:24] <bazhang> gui for what wewlad
2776[13:30:33] <bazhang> ssh?
2777[13:30:35] <wewlad> for 'add this to autorun'
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2779[13:31:20] <bazhang> wewlad, you have not made clear the end goal
2780[13:32:15] <wewlad> bazhang: what did you not understand from what I've asked?
2781[13:32:26] <shann_> bazhang, if i think wewlad should launch sshfs automount at boot time and ssh-agent.
2782[13:32:41] <wewlad> shann_ is correct
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2787[13:33:43] <bazhang> why the gui then
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2931[13:37:28] <wewlad> because gui usually doesn't involve overcomplications like introducing the user to systemd.unit(5), systemd.exe(5), systemd.kill(5), systemd.resource-control(5), systemd.slice(5), systemd.resource-control(5), sd_notify(3), systemd-system.conf(5), sd_watchdog_enabled(3), sd_event_set_watchdog(3), systemd.socket(5), sd_pid_notify_with_fds(3) and systemd.directives(7)
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2938[13:37:51] <wewlad> when all user wants is to add a simple command to system autorun
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2967[13:42:57] <tholu_> How do I allow a user setting ulimit -n in Debian Jessie?
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2972[13:45:28] <PrimalHunter0xFF> Probably sudo, doesn't sound exactly like a good idea though.
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3001[13:52:51] <ChrisH> tholu_: describe a bit more what you want to do. adding ulimit into a start script might be sufficient
3002[13:53:18] <tholu_> ChrisH, I'm running redis 3.0.7 without any special configuration straight from the repo
3003[13:53:28] <tholu_> And I'm getting this error: Redis can't set maximum open files to 10032 because of OS error: Operation not permitted.
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3005[13:54:05] <tholu_> So I don't know why the redis package does not configure this already how it should be done
3006[13:55:01] <tholu_> And with systemd, I don't know where exactly this should be added so that it works
3007[13:55:48] <tholu_> I kinda expected redis to be running without any errors after I install it straight from the repo
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3009[13:58:08] <colo-work> tholu_, Debian doesn't ship 3.0.7
3010[13:58:11] <colo-work> where's your package from?
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3013[13:58:31] <colo-work> ,v redis-server
3014[13:58:32] <judd> Package: redis-server on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:1.2.6-1; wheezy: 2:2.4.14-1; squeeze-backports: 2:2.4.15-1~bpo60+2; wheezy-backports: 2:2.8.17-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 2:2.8.17-1+deb8u3; jessie-security: 2:2.8.17-1+deb8u3; stretch: 2:3.0.6-1; jessie-backports: 2:3.0.6-2~bpo8+1; sid: 2:3.0.7-4; experimental: 2:3.2.0~rc3-1
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3016[13:58:54] <tholu_> colo-work, wait, let me check
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3019[13:59:12] <tholu_> Ok sorry, it's from dotdeb..
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3021[13:59:41] <colo-work> you should probably complain over there, then
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3026[14:01:46] <tholu_> colo-work, sorry, was not aware
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3042[14:07:54] <tholu_> colo-work, I just downgraded to 3.0.6-2~bpo8+1 - issue is the same
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3057[14:13:13] <wewlad> where to put systemd.service?
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3064[14:15:17] <maroloccio> hi. can i boot from 2x nvme drives in raid0 using intel raid tech?
3065[14:15:18] <teraflops> wewlad: a custom one?
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3067[14:15:25] <DexterF> hi
3068[14:15:27] <wewlad> teraflops: yeah
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3070[14:16:05] <teraflops> wewlad: /etc/systemd
3071[14:16:09] <wewlad> not /etc/init.d/?
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3073[14:16:14] <teraflops> Nope
3074[14:16:18] <DexterF> PC with 7 COM ports, 1 builtin, two on pci cards. /dev has ttyS0..30. why 30? attached a device (barcode scanner) to one. how do I tell which one it is?
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3078[14:16:39] <ChrisH> DexterF: man udev :)
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3080[14:17:25] <wewlad> teraflops: just /etc/systemd/ or /etc/systemd/user/?
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3090[14:19:29] <wewlad> teraflops: hey
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3092[14:20:19] <teraflops> wewlad: depends on the service
3093[14:20:22] <teraflops> Obv
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3096[14:21:09] <wewlad> teraflops: so each user has their own /etc/systemd/user dir or what?
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3100[14:21:38] <teraflops> wewlad: I said /etc instead of /lib because if you rewrite an exiting systems unit I get rewrite there if an update occurred
3101[14:21:48] <teraflops> wewlad: no
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3107[14:23:02] <teraflops> wewlad: you enable --user service the it gets symlinked to the users ~/.config
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3111[14:23:53] <wewlad> sorry, that's all very confusing, I don't get what you mean :(
3112[14:23:53] <teraflops> wewlad: sorry for the typo s I'm on the phone
3113[14:24:13] <teraflops> wewlad: is quite clear
3114[14:24:40] <tholu_> Some more debug info from systemd: redis-server.service start operation timed out. Terminating.
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3116[14:25:34] <DexterF> ChrisH: real COM ports, not usb2ser
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3124[14:29:42] <`z> Hi, I'm running apt-get dist-upgrade on a Jessie OpenVZ container. The installation process stuck on "Setting up udev (215-17+deb8u4) ... addgroup: The group `input' already exists as a system group. Exiting."
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3126[14:30:30] <`z> Is there anyway to see what the script is actually doing currently?
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3131[14:33:24] <teraflops> wewlad: replaced-url
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3157[14:45:46] <Ghost_r00t> I want to use my FTP server (vsftpd) on my local network. it is a wifi local network with just a router. but I don't know what wouldn't know the IP number and the port that I should use.!!!
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3167[14:50:51] <ksk> Ghost_r00t: pardon? what is your actual question?
3168[14:51:05] <ksk> ftp sucks btw, why not use http or SMB or whatever?
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3170[14:51:27] <squidgirl> or ssh sftp
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3172[14:52:14] <qmr> because ssh is incredibly slow
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3175[14:52:55] <plasmoduck> I just formatted my external drive with gparted
3176[14:52:59] <plasmoduck> now I cant write to it
3177[14:53:04] <plasmoduck> Permission denied
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3180[14:54:11] <fred1807> I installed awscli logged as root user, not things seems messed up, because something related to python's virtualenv. How can I fix it
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3189[14:56:49] <tholu_> I solved the redis systemd issue, but still don't know how to up the ulimit for the redis user. Everything I have tried did not really work.
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3193[14:57:54] <Boloyankee> hey there! is there a way i can permanently change the mac address in /etc and some without physically changing the mac device?
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3200[14:58:30] <wewlad> teraflops: why would I use a systemd.unit instead of adding stuff to fstab?
3201[14:58:35] <abrotman> judd: info macchanger
3202[14:58:36] <judd> Package macchanger (net, extra) in jessie/amd64: utility for manipulating the MAC address of network interfaces. Version: 1.7.0-5.3; Size: 187.9k; Installed: 607k; Homepage: replaced-url
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3207[15:00:24] <Boloyankee> i tried it but it happen to have some bugs which with my experience i cant go that far into some digging debugging..
3208[15:01:11] <plasmoduck> I just formatted my external drive with gparted and I cannot write to it now when it's mounted, why is it doing this?
3209[15:01:17] <Boloyankee> i have it running but when i change the mac i cant access the wifi setting in applet and even wicd fails to connect to a wifi APN
3210[15:01:39] <plasmoduck> I want it to to read/write at user level
3211[15:01:50] <plasmoduck> Whats the codes?
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3216[15:02:48] <Boloyankee> or sometimes it connects back to the prev. connected APN with the default mac addr.
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3222[15:05:24] <plasmoduck> Hello???
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3225[15:06:12] <Boloyankee> plasmoduck, yes
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3230[15:07:24] <themill> plasmoduck: you will need to explain what you've done so far. Real commands and real output help.
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3240[15:09:29] <plasmoduck> themill, I used gpareted to partition my 2tb usb drive from HFS+ to EXT4
3241[15:09:48] <plasmoduck> Then when it mounted, I tried to copy my files back over to it and I cann't write to it now.
3242[15:10:11] <themill> "when mounted" meaning?
3243[15:11:08] <plasmoduck> When I click on the icon in the file manager it auto mounts in gnome
3244[15:11:30] <themill> is the disk listed in /etc/fstab? (it shouldn't be)
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3248[15:12:44] <plasmoduck> Yes
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3252[15:13:42] <wewlad> does bash in debian source /etc/bash.bashrc to all users .bashrc ?
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3256[15:14:54] <wewlad> I want to add some aliases to .bashrc, I need those changes to be applied for all users, how would I do that?
3257[15:15:17] <wewlad> #bash said that either by adding to /etc/bash.bashrc or to /etc/skel/.bashrc
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3263[15:17:57] <dbos> ls
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3271[15:21:15] <Ghost_r00t> ksk: I did setup vsftpd but I don't know how to connect to it over the local wifi network.
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3280[15:26:11] <Ghost_r00t> what would be the ip address:port?
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3287[15:31:05] <ksk> the ip address of the server/box its running on?
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3289[15:31:31] <ksk> just like a windows pc in your network a linux pc / server will get an ip address - maybe using dhcp (by your SOHO router)
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3292[15:32:26] <TheIdea> I'm managing my server and just relized there is only one group and that is my username
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3294[15:32:57] <TheIdea> I was trying to use scp and got no such file ...
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3306[15:33:56] <TheIdea> I tried to put my client into the replaced-url
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3308[15:34:05] <TheIdea> isntead of creating the replaced-url
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3320[15:35:49] <TheIdea> well I just did that but I still get no such file
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3323[15:36:05] <TheIdea> I'm using: scp -r /media/Somefolder/FolderToUpload USERNAME@serverIP -p 1341 : /var/replaced-url
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3326[15:36:44] <TheIdea> do I have to create a group with with write permission?
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3357[15:40:51] <BadCodSmell> Is it normal that I can't downgrade packages from httpredir repo?
3358[15:40:56] <BadCodSmell> IE you only keep the latest?
3359[15:41:04] <abrotman> !downgrade
3360[15:41:04] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
3361[15:41:26] <BadCodSmell> We'll you seriously screwed up one of these packages:
3362[15:41:32] <BadCodSmell> High: linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64:amd64, multiarch-support:amd64 Med: libc-bin:amd64, libc6:amd64, libc6:i386 Low: libpixman-1-0:amd64, libjasper1:amd64
3363[15:41:57] <BadCodSmell> Several systems have suddenly become as unstable as a one legged table with radeon.
3364[15:42:22] <zinx> pretty stable if the leg is big enough
3365[15:42:24] <BadCodSmell> Also you have =version so downgrade is supported and you're lying
3366[15:42:36] <BadCodSmell> The leg is imaginary and the table is falling
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3369[15:43:05] <BadCodSmell> So basically you delete old binaries and that's it? I can only dig around for the old source from somewhere?
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3467[15:43:58] <BadCodSmell> Perhaps that servce just did an apt-get update/upgrade
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3471[15:44:02] <BadCodSmell> server*
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3482[15:45:09] <BadCodSmell> ouch you have snapshots as a workaround?
3483[15:45:26] <themill> there's an updated kernel in jessie-updates
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3485[15:45:42] <themill> (lots of things can be possible but unsupported; downgrading packages is not a supported operation)
3486[15:45:43] <BadCodSmell> I wouldn't want to put a jesie kernel on wheezy.
3487[15:46:10] <themill> err... you might need to actually explain your problem then
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3489[15:46:25] <BadCodSmell> I'm basically going to have to go on an arduous journey to find an recent but not the most recent build of a package and add it to my own repo
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3493[15:47:55] <BadCodSmell> Well,. after apt update and upgrade a bunch of machines are really unstable in pretty bizarre ways but with some common symptoms, one killed X11 if you insert a usb stick with a stack trace in the log for the radeon driver for machines with that card, some have the screen all messed up in exactly the same way, others just crash if you do much with it after boot
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3496[15:48:20] <BadCodSmell> It's really, really bad.
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3503[15:49:25] <BadCodSmell> one just kept hanging some time after boot, but if you unplugged everything from usb, it had a chance to not hang
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3507[15:49:58] <themill> there was a regression with the jessie kernel in the last point release that sounds like that, but I hadn't heard of that affecting wheezy-backports
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3515[15:50:54] <BadCodSmell> I'll do a sanity check first to make sure I'm not jumping to conclusions, I just know all the machines I've checked so far with it seem to be upto date an a machine I just updated here started having stability issues.
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3525[15:53:28] <BadCodSmell> Also in future... /var/cache/apt/archives is probably the best bet to grab an old package if you have a cluster of machines not uniformly updated
3526[15:53:36] <wewlad_> how to set colors ExGxdxdxCxDxDxBxBxegeg for bash in debian?
3527[15:53:36] <ratrace> Hello. There's a matrix similar to this one in Debian wiki, but it's incomplete. With recent (Jessie) -ckt kernels, how much of this can be expected to be implemented on Debian kernels? replaced-url
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3529[15:55:05] <TheIdea> all mky groups are missing
3530[15:55:21] <TheIdea> I just have root and and a username group
3531[15:55:26] <TheIdea> what do I do?
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3542[15:58:26] <wewlad_> TheIdea: what do you want to do?
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3587[16:19:21] <BadCodSmell> is there an easy way for debian I can see the differential changes between two package versions?
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3590[16:20:05] <rozie> there is changelog, you can check diff between sources
3591[16:20:09] <zinx> BadCodSmell: view the changelog{,.gz}
3592[16:20:27] <rozie> all debian changes are made via diffs so you have to diff the diffs ;)
3593[16:20:30] <zinx> BadCodSmell: /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog{,.gz}
3594[16:20:40] <zinx> rozie: not all, but most yes
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3597[16:21:14] <rozie> zinx: AFAIK debian's policy requires to attach base source from upstream intact
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3600[16:22:23] <zinx> rozie: for some packages, debian is the upstream
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3618[16:27:35] <BadCodSmell> The change log suggests it's going to be a lot of changes.
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3620[16:27:41] <BadCodSmell> I will email the person in the change log
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3628[16:30:52] <themill> BadCodSmell: that's probably not the best approach
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3630[16:31:42] <wewlad_> why is paste in linuxes is bind to ctrl+shift+v instead of standard ctrl+v?
3631[16:31:45] <BadCodSmell> Then why is it there?
3632[16:31:56] <BadCodSmell> I'll send it
3633[16:32:01] <BadCodSmell> Worth a laugh
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3635[16:32:18] <themill> Are you still poking backports kernels?
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3637[16:32:57] <`z> wewlad_: It's only in terminal emulators. In most other apps, it's the good'ol Ctrl-V.
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3639[16:33:55] <BadCodSmell> I like putty, you just select it and it copies.
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3641[16:34:39] <wewlad_> `z: ok, why paste in linux terminal emulators is bound to ctrl+shift+v instead of standard ctrl+v?
3642[16:34:40] <slax0r> xterm can do this too...
3643[16:34:50] <`z> In many terminal emulators, you can select any text and paste with the middle key.
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3645[16:34:54] <slax0r> wewlad_: because C-c is interupt
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3648[16:35:02] <slax0r> so copy is bound to ctrl+shift+c
3649[16:35:05] <wewlad_> `z: that requires a mouse
3650[16:35:10] <slax0r> and since copy and paste are used together, most of the time
3651[16:35:14] <`z> wewlad_: Some programs rely on ^V
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3653[16:35:18] <wewlad_> so just for consistency?
3654[16:35:21] <slax0r> you have paste on ctrl+shift+v
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3656[16:35:29] <slax0r> and you can always shift+ins
3657[16:35:36] <slax0r> or middle mouse click
3658[16:35:42] <slax0r> or remap your shortcuts
3659[16:35:56] <wewlad_> why did they choose ctrl+c for interrupt? didn't they know that this hotkey is already occupied everywhere else by copy command?
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3663[16:36:14] <slax0r> I think interrupt precedes copy
3664[16:36:16] <`z> wewlad_: Depends on which one is the first :P
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3669[16:36:49] <p0g0> wewlad_: if you go Way Back to DRI/CPM Reportstar/Wordstar/Datastar, the Ctrl-v, iirc, was committed to another meaning, tho I'd need to refresh that 30+ year old memory to be sure. The point being that Ctrl-v wasn't always paste.
3670[16:36:50] <slax0r> and like I said, remap them...
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3672[16:37:07] <wewlad_> couldn't they write a smart script that would decide whether there's anything to interrupt or no and based on this check make ctrl+c either interrupt or work as copy?
3673[16:37:15] <wewlad_> I wrote such a script for windows cmd.exe...
3674[16:37:28] <themill> go for it
3675[16:37:31] <slax0r> ^
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3679[16:37:52] <p0g0> write it, and see if you can sell the code!
3680[16:37:55] <wewlad_> well, I went for it in windows, but I don't know much yet about linuxes to do the same there
3681[16:38:03] <wewlad_> I don't sell my code
3682[16:38:08] <wewlad_> I share it for free
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3696[16:38:24] <slax0r> honestly I don't see it as an issue
3697[16:38:44] <wewlad_> I hate that I have to remember when to ctrl+c/v and when to ctrl+shift+c/v
3698[16:38:47] <p0g0> My point was that there is no market for that, it's not an issue for most.
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3702[16:39:06] <wewlad_> I'm getting used to it, but I don't think that's a good solution for that issue
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3705[16:39:20] <slax0r> wewlad_: non-issue
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3707[16:39:41] <wewlad_> well, maybe for you it's not...
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3711[16:40:23] <slax0r> and besides, how many times do you really copy/paste stuff?
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3713[16:40:35] <wewlad_> do I need to count?
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3715[16:40:44] <slax0r> rhetorical question
3716[16:40:49] <wewlad_> I do that frequently enough
3717[16:40:58] <wewlad_> because linux lives in a VM
3718[16:41:04] <themill> you'll learn fast enough then
3719[16:41:14] <wewlad_> and I have to keep my notes about outside of it
3720[16:41:21] <slax0r> then after a few times it will become an automatic action, when to omit shift, and when not
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3722[16:41:32] <wewlad_> I will
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3725[16:41:40] <wewlad_> but I feel like it is wrong...
3726[16:41:46] <`z> Solution: get a touchscreen :P
3727[16:41:54] <wewlad_> ah, screw that, linux is as linux does
3728[16:41:58] <Hello71> or select and use middle click
3729[16:42:01] <slax0r> that's normal that it feels wrong, because you are used to something
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3731[16:42:08] <p0g0> wow: replaced-url
3732[16:42:14] <wewlad_> Hello71: both hands are on keyboard, I don't have a spare hand
3733[16:42:23] <p0g0> Who'da thought that was on the web... 1983.
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3735[16:42:29] <wewlad_> + middle click doesn't work as paste in windows
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3739[16:42:57] <Hello71> wewlad_: how do you select text then
3740[16:43:34] <wewlad_> with mouse
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3742[16:43:44] <wewlad_> in linux terminals
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3744[16:43:52] <wewlad_> and in windows I can do that with keyboard
3745[16:44:01] <wewlad_> since hotkeys there aren't f---ed up
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3748[16:44:38] <`z> ProTip: replaced-url
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3752[16:45:27] <wewlad_> :/
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3755[16:46:46] <wewlad_> that thread is a bit confusing for newbies unfamiliar with linuxes: what does ctrl+home do?
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3759[16:47:15] <BadCodSmell> Where's the webpage for reporting bugs?
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3761[16:47:30] <wewlad_> BadCodSmell: that's not a bug, that's a feature
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3763[16:48:00] <p0g0> wewlad_: see p. 42 of the 1983 Wordstar manual. Ctrl-C is the down screen command. The point is that what you think is a 10 commandment class rule is not, it is just one of the many bindings for Ctrl-C, and relatively recent in the world of computing.
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3765[16:48:01] <BadCodSmell> So I just google for whoever made a nice little cgi-bash wrapper for report bug?
3766[16:48:11] <themill> BadCodSmell: Are you still poking backports kernels?
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3769[16:48:40] <slax0r> wewlad_: I have a feeling you are here only to complain, and not actualy looking for advice, anything you say is not good enough for you, you are using a different operating system than you are used to. It is going to be a different experience, get used to it.
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3771[16:48:44] <BadCodSmell> themill what does you mean by that?
3772[16:48:55] <themill> BadCodSmell: what are you actually trying to do?
3773[16:49:19] <BadCodSmell> report that the later kernel backport from jessie to wheezy sucks hard.
3774[16:49:47] <themill> BadCodSmell: bugs in backports don't get reported to the bts
3775[16:50:10] <BadCodSmell> Maybe I should just email the person in the changelog
3776[16:50:16] <themill> replaced-url
3777[16:50:26] <themill> or you could follow what the documentation says
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3779[16:50:44] <wewlad_> slax0r: I do come here for both, since without complaining - how would I know whether there's a good solution for the discomfort I experience or not?
3780[16:51:20] <themill> wewlad_: the suggestion was made a while back that you could change the shortcut keys.
3781[16:51:35] <wewlad_> p0g0: I was unborn at that time when that material was released. Things do get old and outdated and it's okay to re-think and re-design
3782[16:51:51] <slax0r> I'm done.
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3784[16:51:59] <wewlad_> themill: I know.
3785[16:52:10] <`z> It's like having braces. The pain will be gone when you get used to it.
3786[16:52:18] <p0g0> wewlad_: that would be good advice, you should re-think your old and outdated notion of Ctrl-C.
3787[16:52:34] <themill> wewlad_: sounds like you can move on then....
3788[16:52:35] <wewlad_> p0g0: ctrl+c is de-facto standard
3789[16:52:39] <p0g0> hehe
3790[16:52:39] <wewlad_> ctrl+shift+c isn't
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3794[16:52:53] <`z> Interrupt is much more useful than copy in terminal IMO.
3795[16:52:59] <wewlad_> linux is a hostage of it's own legacy, hehe
3796[16:53:17] <`z> Tell that to Apple fanboys :P
3797[16:53:23] <wewlad_> `z: doesn't mean you have to use ctrl+c for interrupt :)
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3799[16:53:36] <themill> wewlad_: moving on
3800[16:53:38] <wewlad_> sorry, unfamiliar with apple stuff
3801[16:53:40] <`z> wewlad_: Ctrl-C is simpler than Ctrl-Shift-C.
3802[16:53:54] <TheIdea> @wewlad I want to upload files to var/replaced-url
3803[16:54:01] <`z> It's not just Linux. It's Unix.
3804[16:54:17] <Aorious> You can just bind both to not use shift.
3805[16:54:22] <TheIdea> I think I have to create a group with write permission
3806[16:54:28] <wewlad_> Aorious: blasphemy!
3807[16:54:31] <TheIdea> but Im not sure how to dot hat
3808[16:54:42] <TheIdea> I've only done write permission with tutorials so far
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3812[16:55:23] <TheIdea> IM also not sure if I need to give write permission to the client pc's user or the servers user
3813[16:55:25] <wewlad_> do you guys affect the development of linux environment / UX?
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3817[16:56:28] <wewlad_> TheIdea: turns out it gets resolved automatically, you don't need to configure anything at all
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3819[16:56:56] <wewlad_> chmod/chowner of the uploaded files gets forged on the go
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3821[16:57:32] <`z> wewlad_: Tell that to the developers of gnome-terminal/xfce4-terminal/xterm/whatever. Also send an email to Apple to get it changed in Terminal.app.
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3823[16:58:00] <TheIdea> I get the no such file directory error when I use scp
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3825[16:58:27] <TheIdea> I thought that it might be write permission problem
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3827[16:58:38] <wewlad_> `z: why would they listen to me? I'm just a single user that complaints. And seems like you guys, don't see it as an issue, so there's no point in reporting it unless it is supported by the majority.
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3829[16:59:00] <TheIdea> so I can just create a group with access to the replaced-url
3830[16:59:17] <wewlad_> on the remote host?
3831[16:59:24] <TheIdea> yes
3832[16:59:28] <wewlad_> I doubt you have rights for that, unless it's a VPS
3833[16:59:34] <TheIdea> its a vps
3834[16:59:41] <TheIdea> Im connecting via ssh
3835[16:59:43] <wewlad_> then yeah - you should do so
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3837[16:59:52] <`z> wewlad_: You are right: They won't change the default. Because that's always been the expected behavior.
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3839[17:00:15] <TheIdea> is there a simple to understand tutorial?
3840[17:00:29] <spacedust> does the 8.4 kde iso have some problems ?
3841[17:00:41] <spacedust> it failed to install grub, i tryed multiple times
3842[17:00:43] <TheIdea> Im having ahard time finding something not too complex about group and permissions
3843[17:00:48] <spacedust> and it also failed to install lilo too ...
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3845[17:01:14] <wewlad_> TheIdea: adduser %user% %group% ; Add an existing user to an existing group.
3846[17:01:14] <wewlad_> useradd -G %group% %user% ; Add an existing user to an existing group.
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3848[17:01:59] <TheIdea> I know that
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3850[17:02:07] <TheIdea> my problem is I dont have any groups
3851[17:02:13] <TheIdea> just root and my username
3852[17:02:22] <zykotick9> spacedust: 1) is this a Live image or a netinst? 2) is your system using UEFI?
3853[17:02:25] <TheIdea> so I need to create a group that has write permission
3854[17:02:31] <TheIdea> that is what I'm having trouble with
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3858[17:04:20] <de-facto> wewlad_ wrong send?
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3863[17:05:32] <wewlad_> de-facto: ?
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3865[17:05:51] <wewlad_> TheIdea: sorry, I ran through my notes and they don't contain anything helpful on that topic.
3866[17:06:05] <spacedust> zykotick9: not uefi , an older system , amd64 , live not netinst
3867[17:06:24] <TheIdea> np Im googling mybe Ill find something
3868[17:06:28] <TheIdea> thx for the help
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3871[17:07:14] <spacedust> zykotick9: replaced-url
3872[17:07:25] <spacedust> zykotick9: it might had been the old setup ... i dont know
3873[17:07:34] <spacedust> old setup i mean old laptop
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3875[17:08:09] <zykotick9> spacedust: well... my recommendation... don't use the Live images... YMMV. good luck.
3876[17:08:29] <TheIdea> ahh ok I got it nowe
3877[17:08:30] <de-facto> wewlad_ ah ok was just highlighted never mind
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3879[17:08:56] <wewlad_> de-facto: oh, I said 'de-facto standard'
3880[17:08:57] <TheIdea> I have to create groups and add the groups to files and folders
3881[17:08:59] <`z> By the way, do live images support UEFI now?
3882[17:09:02] <TheIdea> not the other way round
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3884[17:09:48] <wewlad_> TheIdea: you can't add groups to files and folders
3885[17:09:59] <zykotick9> `z: i don't think so. unless something has changed.
3886[17:10:11] <wewlad_> you can set chmod that controls permissions for user, for group and for the 'world'
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3891[17:10:53] <wewlad_> so you need to create a group, add a user to that group, then upload files and by chown+chmod make sure they have correct owner and permissions
3892[17:11:30] <wewlad_> for web stuff you usually need mod 640 for files and 750 for dirs
3893[17:11:32] <`z> zykotick9: That's a pity. It makes it much harder to persuade my friends with their hippy UEFI-only laptops to install Debian :/
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3896[17:11:48] <wewlad_> and usually the owner of the files should be replaced-url
3897[17:11:52] <wsirc______> replaced-url
3898[17:12:08] <zykotick9> `z: in my opinion, debian has one installer = netinst ;)
3899[17:12:15] <wsirc______> dig here for studying the code. I want to run a Testsuite like this. How is this triggered (from the make file I guess), how can I trigger it manually?
3900[17:12:22] <wewlad_> it's a default user:group, it should exist by default unless you removed it, TheIdea
3901[17:12:23] <wsirc______> How do I run the the debian tests scripts then?
3902[17:12:28] <wsirc______> tia
3903[17:13:13] <`z> zykotick9: Yeah, but my friends want to give it a try before installing. Maybe I will give them a VM to play around, then.
3904[17:13:53] <zykotick9> `z: or upgrade your friends ;)
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3909[17:14:21] <TheIdea> @wewlad I don't know what went wrong but there isn't
3910[17:14:36] <TheIdea> but it's better to not use it anyway more secure
3911[17:14:48] <TheIdea> to make a new group
3912[17:14:51] <wewlad_> I'm not sure if it's more secure...
3913[17:15:01] <`z> zykotick9: Is that a Debian package? XD
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3915[17:15:08] <TheIdea> someone on the replaced-url
3916[17:15:17] <TheIdea> not to use replaced-url
3917[17:15:18] * `z does "apt upgrade libfriends" :P
3918[17:15:34] <zykotick9> `z: oh, i think you need dist-upgrade for that ;)
3919[17:15:44] <TheIdea> is there a difference between chgrp -R and -r?
3920[17:15:52] <spacedust> zykotick9: why not use live images ??? i always used them and didnt had a problem with them, what should i use ? netinstaller ?
3921[17:15:56] <wewlad_> `z: your friends were removed, there was an error getting new ones, please restart 'lifed'
3922[17:15:57] <abrotman> TheIdea: man chgrp ?
3923[17:16:15] <TheIdea> Im not sure
3924[17:16:23] <`z> wewlad_: No, I'm using systemd-friendshipd.
3925[17:16:24] <abrotman> TheIdea: try it, in your terminal, read ..
3926[17:16:26] <TheIdea> the command that adds groups to folders and files
3927[17:16:45] <wewlad_> `z: it was automatically installed with the last update.
3928[17:16:54] <zykotick9> spacedust: i've run into issues with the live images myself, but YMMV. the live images not supporting UEFI is becoming a bigger issue as time goes by... but use whatever works for _you_.
3929[17:16:59] <TheIdea> ahh ok there is no -R
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3932[17:17:06] <wewlad_> TheIdea: there's no '-r' :D
3933[17:17:14] <TheIdea> it's really confusing normaly thats help not man
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3935[17:17:24] <TheIdea> I meant -r
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3938[17:17:57] <wewlad_> TheIdea: most man pages don't have helpful examples, so I'd suggest googling solutions of stackexchange and similar sites
3939[17:18:12] <wewlad_> instead of wasting time decrypting man pages
3940[17:18:13] <TheIdea> I do so already
3941[17:18:27] <TheIdea> but the explanations are not alwys usefull
3942[17:18:31] <TheIdea> +a
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3945[17:19:08] <TheIdea> what is the difference between man and help nayway?
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3948[17:19:13] <TheIdea> +a
3949[17:19:38] <BadCodSmell> One's a manual ones help
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3951[17:19:55] <wewlad_> TheIdea: that one returns 'bash: help: no help topics match `chgrp'. Try `help help' or `man -k chgrp' or `info chgrp'.'
3952[17:19:57] <TheIdea> ahh ok makes sense
3953[17:20:00] <TheIdea> thx
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3955[17:20:34] <wewlad_> I didn't know there's 'help' command at all
3956[17:20:54] <TheIdea> created a new group and added it to /var/replaced-url
3957[17:20:59] <TheIdea> lets see if scp works now
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3959[17:21:23] <TheIdea> T_T
3960[17:21:29] <BadCodSmell> A manual is exhaustive and follows a standard, help I have no idea except the arg which is normally a quick list, a helper and not a full manual. A help command, never seen it but it might be general documentation like how to do this, that, etc rather than a technical manual.
3961[17:21:38] <TheIdea> still get the no such file directory error
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3965[17:23:03] <TheIdea> I'm using : scp -r /media/Somefolder/FolderToUpload USERNAME@serverIP -p 1341 : /var/replaced-url
3966[17:24:05] <abrotman> TheIdea: scp -p1341 -r /path/foo user@ip:/path/dest
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3969[17:25:10] <ratrace> -o Port=1341 rather, -p does something else
3970[17:25:39] <TheIdea> so it's -p with ssh and -o with scp?
3971[17:25:51] <ratrace> it's -o with ssh too for various options
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3973[17:26:17] <Ghost_r00t> please help me in this matter as I am stuck. I don't know "What is the IP" for my FTP server if I want to connect it to it over a same local network. machine A has vsftpd running on it. machine A and machine B are on the same local-network. (here for example is the same WIFI) how could I connect from machine B to machine A. is the IP of machine A the gateway address. 192.168.1.100 perhaps
3974[17:26:23] <Ghost_r00t> ????
3975[17:26:31] <TheIdea> doesnt matter
3976[17:26:46] <TheIdea> tied with -o with -p and after scp
3977[17:26:48] <TheIdea> +r
3978[17:26:55] <TheIdea> still get so such folder dir
3979[17:27:06] <TheIdea> but I can cd in there the fodler exist
3980[17:27:07] <fred1807> I had awscli working just fine on wheezy. Now with a fresh jessie install, my awscli is reading filenames totally wrong from the s3 server..... I simple sync job wants to delete everything from the by and download again with filenames like %%%foo%bar%.ext. What am I missing?
3981[17:27:47] <TheIdea> this si killing me
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3983[17:28:28] <ratrace> TheIdea: please paste the whole command line you did
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3985[17:29:21] <TheIdea> scp -r /media/Somefolder/FolderToUpload USERNAME@serverIP -p 1341 : /var/replaced-url
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3987[17:30:11] <wewlad_> so it seems like I've created a systemd service 'ssh-agent.service' in /etc/systemd/, but it doesn't start ssh-agent, please help
3988[17:30:11] <ratrace> TheIdea: scp -o Port=1341 -r /media/somefolde/FolderToUpload USERNAME@serverIP:/var/replaced-url
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3991[17:31:16] <TheIdea> still no such file or directory
3992[17:31:29] <TheIdea> oh wait
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3994[17:31:44] <TheIdea> need to remove the ../ I added
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3997[17:32:05] <`z> It's -P, not -p
3998[17:32:08] <TheIdea> nope still same
3999[17:32:25] <ratrace> TheIdea: please pastebin the error message you get
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4001[17:33:57] <TheIdea> replaced-url
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4008[17:35:05] <ratrace> TheIdea: please read what I wrote again you're doing it wrong
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4011[17:35:20] <ratrace> TheIdea: either use -P 1341 or -o Port=1341
4012[17:35:21] <TheIdea> I also used -o
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4017[17:35:33] <ratrace> TheIdea: also no spaces
4018[17:35:37] <TheIdea> omg
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4020[17:35:50] <TheIdea> linux is so annoying
4021[17:35:55] <ratrace> No, it isn't :)
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4024[17:36:21] <TheIdea> it def is it spaces for sake
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4026[17:36:27] <ratrace> TheIdea: there's also the ssh client manual worth reading. scp's too. `man ssh` and `man scp`
4027[17:36:41] <TheIdea> that wouldnt have helped
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4029[17:36:46] <ratrace> it would've
4030[17:36:54] <TheIdea> I doubt that there is written to not use spaces
4031[17:37:08] <TheIdea> ever compiler ignores whitespace
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4033[17:37:11] <TheIdea> +y
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4036[17:37:37] <TheIdea> seems to work now thx a lot
4037[17:37:42] <ratrace> well, on a command line where arguments are separated by spaces, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to realize you can't use unescaped spaces in paths. :)
4038[17:37:42] <TheIdea> thi was driving em nuts
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4041[17:38:14] <TheIdea> well if you are new to this then I guess you do mistakes like that
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4044[17:38:22] <spacedust> zykotick9: okay so i just tested the sme livecd and it works well on another device
4045[17:38:24] <ratrace> TheIdea: yup, we all do.
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4050[17:38:42] <spacedust> so the hw was the problem not the software, sorry for not testing before complaining :P
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4055[17:39:03] <TheIdea> seem to work now thx again
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4210[17:44:37] <wewlad> >:L
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4217[17:44:43] <wewlad> why am I getting kicked?
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4221[17:45:15] <wewlad> debhelper: screw you and your modes
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4231[17:46:12] <han-solo> netsplit
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4235[17:46:44] <wewlad> netsplitted me twice for the past hour + I am active!
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4239[17:47:04] <wewlad> why not get a damn timer for time passed since last message?
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4243[17:47:26] <bazhang> timestamps
4244[17:47:32] <bazhang> they are in your client
4245[17:47:38] <wewlad> wut?
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4247[17:48:00] <wewlad> I mean not kick active users, kick the ones that keep silent for days/hours
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4250[17:48:06] <bazhang> which word is not clear there wewla
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4252[17:48:32] <bazhang> a netsplit is not selective
4253[17:48:39] <krav> wewlad netsplits aren't getting kicked
4254[17:48:52] <wewlad> the result is the same
4255[17:48:54] <krav> it's the servers losing connection
4256[17:48:57] <bazhang> no
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4258[17:48:58] <wewlad> so why not kick instead of netsplit?
4259[17:49:06] <krav> wewlad: they're non intentional?
4260[17:49:13] <wewlad> I thought they are
4261[17:49:16] <krav> it's literally issues with the network, not you getting kicked
4262[17:49:16] <bazhang> wewlad, that makes no sense
4263[17:49:17] <krav> no.
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4266[17:49:49] <krav> netsplits are one or more of the servers in the network losing connection to the others, causing a network split aka, a netsplit.
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4268[17:49:52] <wewlad> well, sorry, I thought they are intentional to cut down the number of inactive users on the channel
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4270[17:49:56] <krav> nope.
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4276[17:50:13] <krav> the servers will hook back together and then everyone will join the same channel again.
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4335[17:59:48] <fred1807> How do I install this on my jessie stable? replaced-url
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4339[18:00:43] <bazhang> ,v awscli
4340[18:00:44] <judd> Package: awscli on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.2-1; stretch: 1.10.1-1; sid: 1.10.1-1
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4342[18:01:17] <bazhang> apt-get install awscli
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4344[18:02:17] <fred1807> bazhang: that gives me version 1.4 , I need the lastest
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4346[18:02:20] <zykotick9> fred1807: according to judd's checkbackport - seems like you could <ssb> it.
4347[18:02:24] <Drugo> Hello. is there an unofficial full installation dvd including formware? I can find only netinst imager here replaced-url
4348[18:02:36] <abrotman> dpkg: tell fred1807 about ssb
4349[18:02:41] <abrotman> dpkg: tell fred1807 about uupdate
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4353[18:03:41] <fred1807> uhh... Can I just ownload a .deb file and dpkg -i awscli.deb ??
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4355[18:03:59] <bazhang> Drugo, like a respin with all codecs everything in it?
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4358[18:04:19] <abrotman> fred1807: you can try whatever you'd like .. it may break your system if you do that
4359[18:04:49] <Drugo> bazhang, just nonfree firmware, but even what you said is ok
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4362[18:05:08] <wewlad> someone, please help me make ssh-agent autostart, someone here advised to create a systemd.service, here's my /etc/systemd/ssh-agent.service: replaced-url
4363[18:05:11] <fred1807> pure apt-get install awscli results is a awscli that cannot read the proper filenames from the server, everything if filne%%%%name%%%%
4364[18:05:14] <bazhang> Drugo, from the web sure, from here, nopers
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4366[18:05:26] <abrotman> fred1807: I can tell you already that the package depends on a newer python-botocore .. so, that may cause other issues
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4372[18:06:37] <fred1807> I basically run awscli sync jobs on the machine. This not working is my main issue
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4378[18:07:14] <abrotman> you've been given possible solutoins
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4383[18:07:45] <Artej> hi
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4385[18:08:42] <Wtflux> hi all i have a debian VM running on virtual box, im just got the OS installed and up and running, i am trying to install different apps (build essential, python, etc.) and whenever i go to do an apt-get install build-essential for example it starts to run and download but stops at "Get1:... [195kb]...1% 1.154B / 195kb (and has done similar things stopping the DL at 1% on other downloads)
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4389[18:09:18] <Wtflux> ok maybe im an impatient-o because after i typed that whole spiel out the darn thing started downloading...it just hesitated for about 3-5 min
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4393[18:09:50] <Artej> what mirror are you using wtflux?
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4395[18:10:18] <Wtflux> Not sure to be honest, the one i selected @ install was like a mid-west mirror with a funny name about half way down the list of choices when it asks you at install to choose a mirror
4396[18:10:31] <fred1807> abrotman: Ok, I cannot add backports to my system. I want to download the deb file from replaced-url
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4417[18:18:25] <wewlad> wtf? seems like I screwed something up
4418[18:18:32] <wewlad> I can't log in to DE
4419[18:18:47] <wewlad> it just logs me out automatically
4420[18:19:34] <wewlad> and stupid DM says that 'Root logins are not allowed.' so I can't fix it
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4426[18:20:11] <wewlad> all I did is added 'ssh-add' to ~/.xsession
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4430[18:20:40] <wewlad> but I had '# apt-get upgrade' running in background
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4433[18:21:46] <wewlad> help!
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4437[18:23:56] <Kobaz> so i'm a bit stuck on upgrading an old squeeze to wheezy
4438[18:24:11] <Kobaz> dpkg can't read some of the new package files since it's too old
4439[18:24:11] <dpkg> Kobaz: bugger all, i dunno
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4441[18:24:17] <rozie> wewlad: you can loog as root on text console
4442[18:24:23] <Kobaz> but i can't install dpkg yet since it needs a new libc
4443[18:24:29] <Kobaz> and installing a new libc will break everything
4444[18:24:29] <wewlad> rozie: I did, I did delete that file
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4446[18:24:33] <wewlad> but it didn't help
4447[18:24:36] <rozie> press ctrl+alt+F1 and login as root
4448[18:24:44] <wewlad> I guess it's because apt-get upgrade didn't finish
4449[18:25:33] <rozie> wewlad: are you doing dist upgrade?
4450[18:25:43] <wewlad> rozie: 8.3>8.4
4451[18:26:11] <rozie> well. reboot. log in as root in text mode
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4453[18:26:16] <wewlad> I did
4454[18:26:23] <rozie> you should be able to fix
4455[18:26:25] <wewlad> now I'm trying to apt-get upgrade again
4456[18:26:43] <wewlad> the speeds are ridiculously low
4457[18:26:55] <rozie> this may be hardware problem
4458[18:27:06] <wewlad> I doubt so
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4460[18:27:30] <rozie> why do you doubt?
4461[18:27:43] <wewlad> because debian is running in a software machine
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4463[18:28:25] <abrotman> fred1807: I gave you two optoins .. neither include "using backports"
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4475[18:33:02] <Kobaz> nothing like a little /var/lib/dpkg/status hackery to fix dpkg problems
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4477[18:33:47] <Kobaz> wewlad: slow speeds in a vm are going to most likly be lack of acceleration, or the host hardware is not up to par
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4479[18:34:08] <wewlad> that didn't help
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4483[18:34:14] <wewlad> Kobaz: it was fast before
4484[18:34:20] <Kobaz> then something changed
4485[18:34:23] <wewlad> I guess it's something with the repo servers
4486[18:34:33] <wewlad> I didn't touch network
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4491[18:34:53] <Kobaz> my guess is your hardware/software/config
4492[18:35:03] <Kobaz> because i'm pulling 35mbit from us.debian.org
4493[18:35:15] <Kobaz> dont know hwat repo your using, but you didn't specify
4494[18:35:18] <wewlad> I'm pulling from a different mirror
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4499[18:35:50] <wewlad> so what do I do with the dm not letting me in?
4500[18:36:01] <Kobaz> no idea, you're not being very specific
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4502[18:36:08] <teraflops> I wonder how is network speed related to _acceleration_ (whatever it means) in a VM.
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4506[18:36:26] <wewlad> kdm > I enter my login&pass > enter > black screen for 0.5 sec > kdm
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4509[18:37:10] <wewlad> teraflops: haven't you heard of GPU accelerated NICs? :)
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4511[18:37:39] <Kobaz> teraflops: what if the host lacks VM extensions in the cpu... everything is going to run like crap
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4514[18:37:59] <Kobaz> VM extensions is basically your basic form of 'acceleration'
4515[18:38:09] <teraflops> Kobaz: that's what acceleration meant?
4516[18:38:14] <rozie> wewlad: time to go hardcore... check logs
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4518[18:38:22] <wewlad> rozie: var/log?
4519[18:38:30] <rozie> yep
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4521[18:38:39] <Kobaz> acceleration means anything that will make your guest performance increase from help by the host
4522[18:38:43] <rozie> dmesg can also be helpful
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4529[18:40:27] <Kobaz> insserv: Starting stop-bootlogd depends on rmnologin and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
4530[18:40:29] <Kobaz> mmm
4531[18:40:31] <Kobaz> izza broken
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4536[18:41:06] <wewlad> rozie: kdm.log says replaced-url
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4540[18:42:22] <tharkun> If I want to change the name of a machine I fix /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts anything else I might be missing?
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4542[18:43:04] <Kobaz> run hostname <newhostname>
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4544[18:43:18] <teraflops> Kobaz: right. Call it VT-* mmu etc...
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4546[18:44:15] <tharkun> Kobaz: Thanks, I was looking for the persistent way. I really don't mind it beeing called debian one more day ;P
4547[18:44:16] <wewlad> help
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4549[18:44:27] <tharkun> wewlad: Just ask
4550[18:44:52] <wewlad> I can't log in to the DE
4551[18:45:11] <spacedust> hmm
4552[18:45:14] <wewlad> kdm > I enter my login&pass > enter > black screen for 0.5 sec > kdm, /var/log/kdm.log says replaced-url
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4554[18:45:29] <spacedust> i tryed making a backup of my /dev/md0 = /dev/sda1 + /dev/sda2
4555[18:45:37] <niklaas> There is no wicd in stretch?!
4556[18:45:51] <spacedust> actually i tryed to make a backup of /dev/sda1 and it didnt do a ext4 backup but a full partition image mirror
4557[18:45:54] <spacedust> using clonezilla
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4559[18:46:14] <spacedust> is it better to make an installation , partitioning , how you want it and then manually add that to a raid ?
4560[18:46:36] <spacedust> i did the partitioning and raid with the installer , and that makes my /dev/sda1 as a raid device not az a linux device
4561[18:47:07] <wewlad> what's 'dbus server' and how to start it??
4562[18:47:18] <rozie> niklaas: it is in sid
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4565[18:48:02] <wewlad> S O S
4566[18:48:02] <wewlad> O
4567[18:48:02] <wewlad> S
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4569[18:49:25] <Kobaz> tharkun: yeah that's it
4570[18:49:38] <Kobaz> ugh
4571[18:49:41] <krav> wewlad: you're not going to get more help by being obnoxious. you're going to get more ignored.
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4573[18:49:46] <Kobaz> wheezy -> jessie teh broke
4574[18:49:55] <Kobaz> apt-get: relocation error: /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_find_dso_for_object, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference
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4576[18:50:10] <Kobaz> dist-upgrade should be safe... shouldn't it?
4577[18:50:40] <teraflops> wewlad: I'm tempted to ignore you
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4579[18:50:43] <krav> Kobaz: i've had it break things, on kali mind you, but it took down networking until a reboot.
4580[18:50:47] <wewlad> :(
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4582[18:50:53] <krav> it might be safer on pure debian.
4583[18:51:43] <Kobaz> yeah this is just very fscked, going to knoppix and then put old packages back
4584[18:52:02] <krav> wewlad: if you were mucking with the startup stuff for KDE i'd start there. can you log in as root? is it relegated to your own user or does it happen to all users?
4585[18:52:15] <Kobaz> vbox-hvr {/etc/rc2.d} root# reboot Segmentation fault
4586[18:52:18] <wewlad> krav: I already undid everything I did
4587[18:52:21] <Kobaz> that's when you know it's really broke
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4589[18:52:51] <wewlad> krav: I already said I can log in as root (using text mode) and even gave a screenshot of /var/log/kdm.log
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4591[18:53:31] <wewlad> krav: I have only 2 users: root and my user, kdm doesn't let me in as root, since linux
4592[18:53:59] <krav> unless kdm is specific about that, that's not true at all.
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4596[18:54:05] <krav> I'm logged into 3 systems as root right now.
4597[18:54:12] <wewlad> kdm is specific about that
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4604[18:55:02] <Filystyn> seems i have SOLVED the problem with mause
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4606[18:55:10] <Filystyn> touchpad is not working anymore but
4607[18:55:18] <Filystyn> rest wroks perfect
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4610[18:55:22] <krav> alright, wewlad, have you tried starting dbus?
4611[18:55:26] <wewlad> Filystyn: what was the problem? I'm too experiencing problems with mouse
4612[18:55:33] <krav> looked back at your screen shot.
4613[18:55:36] <wewlad> krav: no, since I don't know what that is
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4617[18:55:48] <Filystyn> seems like touchpad simply fucked up and the mause did not work too on laptop
4618[18:55:50] <krav> replaced-url
4619[18:56:00] <krav> wewlad: ^^
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4622[18:56:27] <Filystyn> after clening laptop inside and unpluging touchpad and pluging back
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4625[18:56:35] <Filystyn> it stoped working but now usb mause at least works
4626[18:56:39] <Filystyn> :D
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4629[18:57:05] <Filystyn> and that is how it gor fixed!
4630[18:57:12] <Filystyn> what a profesional I am!
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4635[18:58:48] <wewlad> how to switch apt-get's mirror on the go?
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4642[19:00:13] <srg2> I'm setting up a long-lived Debian VM (but it'll only be spun up every few days or so). I noticed the netinstall came with both cron and anacron. Do I need both? I don't intend on adding any of my own scheduled tasks
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4646[19:01:12] <ksk> srg2: Id assume you can safely remove anacron if you dont want to use it. not sure why its installed, you might try firering an "aptitude why anacron"
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4650[19:01:52] <srg2> ksk: The VM is a laptop, I think that's why the tasksel installed it
4651[19:01:57] <srg2> VM is on a laptop*
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4653[19:02:10] <timss> Hi. What is the correct way to install an example systemd unit file? (e.g. /usr/share/systemd/tmp.mount)
4654[19:02:16] <srg2> ksk: So anacron isn't needed for the built-in debian tasks? thanks!
4655[19:03:10] <greycat> timss: /etc/systemd/system/
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4658[19:04:09] <timss> greycat: All right, thanks. Was curious if that was correct, or maybe a .wants directory.
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4663[19:05:23] <Kobaz> root@Microknoppix:/mnt/var/cache/apt/archives# dpkg -x libc6_2.13-38+deb7u10_i386.deb /mnt
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4665[19:05:42] <greycat> Microknoppix?
4666[19:05:45] <Kobaz> so... apt dist-upgrade is installing libc6 too soon
4667[19:05:51] <Kobaz> or something like that
4668[19:06:05] <Kobaz> it installs libc6 and then everything is broken and it all dies
4669[19:06:28] <Kobaz> yeah my rescue cd
4670[19:06:39] <rozie> Kobaz: did you chroot before?
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4672[19:06:50] <Kobaz> no, i chrooted after to check
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4675[19:07:21] <rozie> it should go like this:
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4677[19:07:24] <rozie> 1. run live
4678[19:07:29] <deus_> hi
4679[19:07:32] <rozie> 2. chroot to system you want update
4680[19:07:39] <rozie> 3. perform update
4681[19:07:44] <deus_> is there any stack for debian in stackexchange?
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4683[19:08:01] <Kobaz> well
4684[19:08:08] <Kobaz> if libc6 doesn't match the rest of the system
4685[19:08:11] <Kobaz> you can't exactly chroot
4686[19:08:48] <rozie> never had this problem
4687[19:09:11] <rozie> there were problems with architecture, kernel - sure
4688[19:09:44] <rozie> but pure chroot? no, never had this problem
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4690[19:10:03] <greycat> The basic libraries and loader (ld.so) stuff inside the chroot must be intact.
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4692[19:10:06] <deus_> there are a lot of problems with debian and alsa config... had to follow a lot of guides then realized that alsa-base.conf is not created by default which is not normal...
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4694[19:10:32] <Kobaz> well
4695[19:10:36] <Kobaz> chroot system call, sure will work fine
4696[19:10:40] <Kobaz> but nothing else is going to work
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4698[19:10:53] <Kobaz> your ls and dpkg and etc are all depending on an incompatible libc
4699[19:10:57] <greycat> Right. Normally you chroot a shell process, which requires libc.
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4701[19:11:13] <Kobaz> so if dist-upgrade breaks your libc...
4702[19:11:23] <greycat> I have never seen a dist-upgrade break libc.
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4704[19:11:36] <greycat> Unless you're going to unstable, of course. Then all bets are off.
4705[19:11:46] <Kobaz> wheezy->jessie
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4712[19:14:44] <greycat> So, general guide to fixing a broken libc in Debian. Don't chroot yet. Download an appropriate libc6 package. Extract it into the broken system's directories. THEN chroot in, if you can, and try to run /sbin/ldconfig.
4713[19:14:51] <Kobaz> exactly
4714[19:14:53] <Kobaz> which is what i did
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4718[19:15:06] <Kobaz> and then rozie is saying otherwise
4719[19:15:07] <Kobaz> but anyway
4720[19:15:22] <greycat> rozie is talking about the normal process for working with a NOT-completely-broken system
4721[19:15:43] <Kobaz> that sounds reasonable
4722[19:16:00] <Kobaz> okay so
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4724[19:16:04] <Kobaz> i fixed a bunch of stuffs
4725[19:16:10] <Kobaz> my dpkg --audit is completely clean
4726[19:16:10] <lwizardl> hello
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4728[19:16:27] <Kobaz> soooo
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4730[19:16:35] <Kobaz> in theory i can update wheezy -> jessie in sources.list
4731[19:16:38] <Kobaz> and theeeeen upgrade
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4733[19:16:50] <greycat> What? You *didn't* already have jessie in sources.list?
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4735[19:17:07] <Kobaz> i rolled it back to wheezy when libc broke
4736[19:17:12] <Kobaz> so now i got wheezy back in shape
4737[19:17:22] <greycat> Oh, you rolled *backwards*? Good luck.
4738[19:17:25] <RoyK> you generally can't roll back debian
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4740[19:17:31] <Kobaz> it's tricky
4741[19:17:33] <greycat> Sometimes you get lucky.
4742[19:17:33] <Kobaz> but it's possible
4743[19:17:34] <Kobaz> done it many times
4744[19:17:40] <Kobaz> when all hell breaks loose
4745[19:17:51] <greycat> What are you doing to your systems that requires you to do such a thing "many times"?
4746[19:17:54] <Kobaz> anyway, not everything rolled back, just libc and a couple other things
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4748[19:18:05] <Kobaz> greycat: broken upgrades
4749[19:18:07] <RoyK> Kobaz: perhaps better reinstall and restore from backup next time :P
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4751[19:18:21] <Kobaz> like trying to dist-upgrade... as is here, and it completely blows up
4752[19:18:21] <greycat> You need to find out why *your* upgrades are breaking when nobody else's are.
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4754[19:18:28] <Kobaz> and if you need a working system, then you have to roll back
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4756[19:19:05] <RoyK> Kobaz: I've only been using debian for 18 years or so, but then, I don't think I've had to roll back the whole distro
4757[19:19:07] <Kobaz> well, a lot of those are my own fault, mixing testing/stable stuff in a pinch when backports aren't available
4758[19:19:09] <Kobaz> it works most of the time
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4760[19:19:19] <RoyK> Kobaz: haha
4761[19:19:20] <greycat> Don't Do That.
4762[19:19:33] <RoyK> Kobaz: that's in the recipe of How To Fuck Up Debian
4763[19:19:34] <greycat> !dontbreakdebian
4764[19:19:34] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, dont break debian is replaced-url
4765[19:19:40] <Kobaz> hee
4766[19:19:49] <Kobaz> since 1997 for me
4767[19:19:50] <teraflops> Kobaz: yeah definitely is your fault
4768[19:19:50] <Kobaz> but anyway
4769[19:19:58] <Kobaz> this particular one, definitely isn't my fault
4770[19:19:59] <lwizardl> where do I change the default archive manager when using the xfce desktop on debian jessie ?
4771[19:20:06] <Kobaz> this has been lock step release to release since birth
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4774[19:20:49] <RoyK> Kobaz: usually the apt cache etc that gets messed up
4775[19:20:56] <Kobaz> yeah
4776[19:20:57] <greycat> Cache doesn't matter.
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4778[19:21:03] <Kobaz> or status files
4779[19:21:09] <RoyK> Kobaz: anyway - if that happens, don't try to roll back - just reinstall and restore from backup
4780[19:21:21] <Kobaz> sometimes i need to shoehorn in a dependency loop by editing status and setting half-configured to installed
4781[19:21:25] <Kobaz> and then reinstall after
4782[19:21:30] <RoyK> if the normal ways of fixing things won't work
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4784[19:21:48] <Kobaz> er... shoehorn in *because of a dependency loop
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4788[19:23:32] <Kobaz> okay here goes
4789[19:24:10] <Kobaz> this is looking much better
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4791[19:24:30] <Kobaz> i had some cruft in dpkg audit previously that i didn't get fixed before dist-upgrade
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4796[19:26:07] <Kobaz> first break
4797[19:26:19] <Kobaz> Replacing files in old package udev (175-7.2) ...
4798[19:26:19] <Kobaz> Errors were encountered while processing:
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4800[19:26:23] <Kobaz> this is the stuff i run into
4801[19:26:28] <Kobaz> fairly often
4802[19:26:39] <Kobaz> never sat around to file bug reports, which.. if i had some more slack time i would
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4804[19:27:11] <Kobaz> oh
4805[19:27:15] <Kobaz> that's easy
4806[19:27:23] <Kobaz> update kernel first and then finish
4807[19:27:32] <Kobaz> CONFIG_DEVTMPFS / etc
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4819[19:34:10] <fred1807> What does the "stable" in debian stable stands for? New to Debian, and new to linux, I have found that applications that talks to internet services (like awscli, youtube-dl) usually are broken because of theier outdated apis in the "stable" debian version
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4821[19:34:45] <SynrG> stable means "doesn't change". for things that do need to change due to service API changes, we have stable-updates
4822[19:34:46] <greycat> !stable
4823[19:34:46] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.4); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
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4827[19:35:50] <abrotman> <meaning of stable>
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4834[19:37:21] <SynrG> fred1807: certain packages with fast-moving APIs may change more frequently than stable-updates allows for. i think backports may be used for those
4835[19:37:32] <SynrG> ,v youtube-dl
4836[19:37:33] <judd> Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie: 2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2016.02.22-1~bpo8+1; sid: 2016.02.22-1; stretch: 2016.02.22-1
4837[19:37:50] <SynrG> fred1807: have you tried the youtube-dl from jessie-backports?
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4839[19:38:27] <SynrG> i don't know awscli
4840[19:38:28] <fred1807> youtube-dl is very easy because it is actually a single binary, there is a isntall instruction from theier website where you basically downloadthe bin using curl
4841[19:38:30] <SynrG> ,v awscli
4842[19:38:31] <judd> Package: awscli on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.2-1; stretch: 1.10.1-1; sid: 1.10.1-1
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4844[19:38:56] <SynrG> yeah. but that doesn't play nice with the debian packaging system
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4847[19:39:18] <greycat> If you download from upstream instead of Debian, make sure you put it in /opt or /usr/local/bin or /home.
4848[19:39:20] <SynrG> i.e. anything that replaces things in bin is "breaking" the package
4849[19:39:25] <SynrG> ^
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4851[19:39:45] <greycat> I would also just plain remove the Debian package if you're using upstream instead.
4852[19:40:12] <fred1807> but awscli is totally broken
4853[19:40:17] <SynrG> maybe awscli is better done with virtualenv or pip.
4854[19:40:19] * SynrG shrugs
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4856[19:41:20] <SynrG> if it's completely broken and nobody's going to fix it, it should be removed from jessie
4857[19:41:59] <SynrG> see #819451
4858[19:42:00] <judd> Bug replaced-url
4859[19:42:07] <SynrG> only wishlist severity?
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4861[19:42:12] <greycat> That's the ONLY open bug on it, that I can see, and it's just wishlist.
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4863[19:42:28] <SynrG> so if it *is* completely broken, nobody has told the maintainer
4864[19:42:37] <SynrG> file a separate bug
4865[19:42:48] <greycat> The bug report also just says "Hi, new version has a lot of new improvements and features. Would love
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4867[19:42:51] <greycat> to see it packaged."
4868[19:42:53] <SynrG> yeap
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4870[19:43:18] <random> hello! I'd like to use a custom keyboard layout on my system, but after researching I found several ways to do so. Which one would you advise me? Thanks!
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4875[19:44:53] <fred1807> I found that on a fresh install, if you just apt-get install awscli, what comes, doesnt not work. Maybe most of the people that already have theyer system up and running for some time, and just upgrading, have the thing working. Orare installing using pip
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4877[19:45:36] <teraflops> well, here replaced-url
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4879[19:46:33] <greycat> You read something on github. Of course they are going to give you the Archlinux-style answer (How to get the most bleeding possible).
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4883[19:47:30] <teraflops> greycat: never sudo pip install, also sudo pip install is not the arch way if you meant that
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4894[19:52:10] <fred1807> again, pip install awscli is not perfect on my system... Funny thing is, on wheezy, awscli just works
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4900[19:54:25] <teraflops> use a virtualenv or append --user and drop sudo and then try to --upgrade the package via pip. there is also a requirements.txt so I don't see whats the problem there
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4905[19:56:41] <teraflops> well apart you don't seem to know how to deal in a sane way with python stuff I suppose
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4919[19:59:31] <tharkun> If I want to install something with a usb cp *.iso /dev/sdb should suffice, but how do I restore the 8gb usb stick?
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4926[20:00:22] <teraflops> fred1807: I don't mean to be rude or whatever it's just I don't see any problem there
4927[20:00:25] <greycat> use parted, or whatever, plus mkfs.vfat to create a partition with a VFAT file system
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4929[20:01:15] <tharkun> greycat: Thanks I ou you a cup of coffee :)
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4942[20:08:47] <ChunkzZ> what speed tweaks can I do for my raspberry pi 2 running debian jessie?
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4944[20:09:50] <tharkun> get rid of every daemon running and substitute it with an event driven program, get rid of all but 2 tty and save memroy.
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4946[20:11:19] <ChunkzZ> tharkun, what do you mean?
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4955[20:15:36] <tharkun> ChunkzZ: you need ram and cpu to run a program. Make sure you do not have any unnecesary programs running on the background. You need to treat your system as if it was an embedded device to free resources so you can use them where you want. top/powertop are your friend on this task.
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4962[20:16:43] <tharkun> cp debian-8.4.0-i386-DVD-1.iso /dev/sdb How long should it take?
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4964[20:16:51] <ChunkzZ> yeah I don't have anything that I shouldn't have.
4965[20:16:56] <ChunkzZ> can I overclock?
4966[20:17:32] <tharkun> ChunkzZ: look for exim4 on your system I'm almost certain it is running somewhere in there ;P
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4968[20:18:23] <Debian-es> Hello, just Installed Debian XFCE .iso but everything look old, and big.
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4970[20:18:32] <Debian-es> Can't even select my resolution, any ideas?
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4972[20:18:36] <ChunkzZ> I can't see it tharkun
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4974[20:18:50] <Debian-es> Looks like I don't have sound(don't see any volume icon)
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4976[20:20:25] <tharkun> ChunkzZ: ss -pantu look for daemons connected to listening sockets or ip ports.
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4979[20:20:56] <tharkun> ChunkzZ: As for overclocking the last time I did that, well we got ourselves a nice sitting stool out of it ;P
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4982[20:21:22] <ChunkzZ> just hexchat and my web browser from that command ^ :p
4983[20:21:32] <ChunkzZ> where can I edit config?
4984[20:21:35] <ChunkzZ> .txt
4985[20:21:36] <ChunkzZ> ?
4986[20:21:46] <ChunkzZ> I want to allocate my memory to my gpu...
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4991[20:23:33] <prussian> ChunkzZ: i've never done this
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4993[20:23:34] <prussian> replaced-url
4994[20:23:41] <prussian> but give it a shot lol
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5000[20:25:56] <cluelessperson> Is anyone here familiar with TeamCity, Youtrack, Upsource and similar?
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5003[20:26:07] <cluelessperson> Do you know how to handle autostarting?
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5008[20:27:30] <cluelessperson> apparently they don't include autostart scripts, wtf
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