• 0[00:00:11] <jmcnaught> FlyingPersian: ahh.. this wasn't clear because you cropped it
• 1[00:00:33] <FlyingPersian> my bad
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• 3[00:01:00] <FlyingPersian> well the file in /var/lib/dpkg/info says this: rm -r /var/lib/plexmediaserver
• 4[00:01:05] <FlyingPersian> so I'm good to go
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• 9[00:03:09] <Okee> jmcnaught> Ok, the backup is complete.
• 10[00:03:41] <Okee> I still think there is a configuration issue with the Debian issue. I am not convinced it is a hardware problem.
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• 14[00:05:45] <FlyingPersian> I have a question about lighttpd: I have a server and I'm running a webgui of teamspeak on it. the address to the webgui is replaced-url
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• 19[00:09:50] <Okee> ok, I have bootted from a disk that has GParted Live on it. The disk jacket said Debian 7.2, but it appears to have been a mistake.
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• 25[00:12:35] <jmcnaught> Okee: boot into Debian. On the login screen is there a drop-down menu that says something like "Default"? Can you pick a different session from there?
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• 27[00:14:46] <jmcnaught> FlyingPersian: i'm not familiar with lighttpd, but it will have a configure file (or files) in /etc/lighttpd that define sites/virtual hosts and what their document roots are (using apache nomenclature here, terms might be different). You could check lighttpd man pages, or /usr/share/doc/lighttpd for a README.Debian
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• 31[00:16:30] <Okee> jmcnaught> There was Debian, and an advanced screen, but it has already gone by. I won’t sign in, and will go back to the screen.
• 32[00:17:36] <jmcnaught> Okee: you cannot get to a login screen with a regular boot. To be clear, I'm not asking you to boot into a live disk
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• 42[00:21:45] <Okee> jmcnaught> OK, I selected advanced options, and now prompted with two options: linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 with recovery mode, and regular linux 3.2.0-4 with amd64
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• 44[00:22:27] <jmcnaught> Okee: why?
• 45[00:22:51] <Okee> jmcnaught> Do you want me to just boot in default mode?
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• 47[00:23:08] <jmcnaught> Okee: yes, unless you have a reason to try something different
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• 50[00:23:39] <jmcnaught> Okee: i'm talking about the login screen where you enter username and password, not the grub screen where you select with OS or kernel to boot
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• 54[00:25:30] <Okee> jmcnaught> I am at the Desktop, for what is left of it. It is a smeared up mess.
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• 56[00:26:18] <jmcnaught> Okee: do you have autologin configured? I'm trying to ask you to select a different desktop environment/window manager at the login screen (where you enter username and password)
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• 58[00:26:47] <Okee> jmcnaught> I am not sure. How do I know if I have autologin configured?
• 59[00:27:03] <jmcnaught> Okee: do you need to enter a password to get to your desktop?
• 60[00:27:19] <Okee> jmcnaught> yes, I need a password to get into my desktop.
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• 62[00:27:26] <Okee> That type of autologin.
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• 65[00:28:15] <jmcnaught> Okee: autologin is when you don't need to enter password. Please go back to the login screen where you enter password, and look for a dropdown menu that lets you select different session types *before* entering your password and logging in.
• 66[00:28:37] <Okee> jmcnaught> I looked, and there is no option for session types.
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• 69[00:29:04] <Okee> maybe I should set up some session types at the command prompt?
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• 71[00:29:29] <jmcnaught> Okee: i don't think you should go to the virtual console unless you know how to get back from it
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• 78[00:31:52] <jmcnaught> Okee: maybe if you took a picture of the "smear" of a desktop that you see after logging in it would help. Or if you could make sure that you are connected to the internet, then maybe switch to a terminal and start using pastebinit to get us some troubleshooting information
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• 90[00:35:29] <Okee> jmcnaught> The desktop files that are displayed appear to have lost their organization, and all programs asside from files saved to the desktop, are not visible. I am able to get into the home folder. I am definitely connected to the internet, and the ethernet comes up on bootup. Earlier I was chatting from a browser version of IRC, and now I am chatting from my laptop.
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• 94[00:36:33] <jmcnaught> Okee: sounds like you are in gnome to be honest, and are just unfamiliar with it
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• 96[00:36:56] <Okee> jmcnaught> How do I get out of gnome?
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• 99[00:37:22] <Okee> I am not prompted for the desktop type at bootup. i recall there is a way to configure the computer so that desktop types show up at bootu.
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• 101[00:37:56] <Okee> I probably have gnome, but the applications are not viewable. When selecting them they appear for an instant, and then disappear.
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• 103[00:38:06] <jmcnaught> Okee: as long as you didn't remove whatever DE you were using before, you select it at the login screen. maybe instead of lightdm you're using GDM, which has a little gear shaped icon that lets you select which environment you want.
• 104[00:38:52] <jmcnaught> Okee: if you go to activities in the top left, it brings you to a dashboard. On that screen is there a help icon on the left, that looks like a life preserver ring?
• 105[00:39:09] <Okee> jmcnaught> yes
• 106[00:40:02] <jmcnaught> Okee: that help system has some videos in it that show how to use the gnome desktop. Or look for the gear icon on the login screen
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• 111[00:45:13] <Okee> jmcnaught> I don’t know where to find the gear icon. I am on the screen from the activities, and is shows an icon for Ice Weasel, libreoffice, files, life jacket, leave pad, and a square with a 9 dot pattern, that indicates programs when you selecty it, but no programs open up, or are viewable.
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• 113[00:45:40] <Okee> How do i get rid of gnome, so that I can go back to XFCE?
• 114[00:46:18] <rainfyre> Okee: type "/msg dpkg remove gnome"
• 115[00:46:37] <markybob> rainfyre: that's outdated as fuck
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• 117[00:46:46] <markybob> rainfyre: gnome2 not gnome3
• 118[00:47:09] <rainfyre> markybob: well someone out to update it since this is the Debian IRC channel
• 119[00:47:20] <markybob> rainfyre: sure someone should.
• 120[00:47:31] <markybob> rainfyre: you can do it
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• 122[00:48:24] <rainfyre> markybob: feel free to post a less outdated answer.
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• 125[00:48:59] <markybob> i would if i knew it. i haven't used gnome in 15+ years. i just know that's wrong.
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• 131[00:49:21] <rainfyre> I don't use it either. no clue how to get rid of it.
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• 134[00:50:07] <TomTomTosch> guess it's going to stay there for the next few years.
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• 136[00:50:24] <Okee> depackage is asleeeeeep.
• 137[00:50:31] <rainfyre> yeah I don't know how to edit dpkg's messages in this channel. not my room dude.
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• 140[00:51:17] <teraflops> hmm tasksel if for installing things not the other way arround, right?
• 141[00:51:19] <markybob> rainfyre: it's pretty easy. "/msg dpkg no, foo is foolio"
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• 143[00:51:28] <Okee> what about just switching to xfce instead of removing gnome?
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• 146[00:51:48] <Okee> There shouldn’t be any problem running XFCE with gnome installed.
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• 149[00:52:30] <rainfyre> Okee: apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies will get you started
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• 155[00:55:53] <jmcnaught> Okee: the gear icon is on the login screen. you pick gnome, xfce, whatever when you login. you won't be able to see it when you're already logged in.
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• 157[00:56:45] <teraflops> hmm what about some apt magic with tasksel? apt-get purge $(tasksel --task-packages gnome-desktop) ?
• 158[00:56:45] <awal1> rainfyre, for ask dpkg just type /msg dpkg blablabla
• 159[00:57:06] <teraflops> would that work?
• 160[00:57:52] <jmcnaught> teraflops: i think the issue is that Okee doesn't understand how to pick which DE/WM to use on the login screen, and is also not sure which display manager is being used
• 161[00:58:12] <jmcnaught> Okee: what does the file /etc/X11/default-display-manager say?
• 162[00:58:13] <teraflops> jmcnaught: ah, I just read delete gnome
• 163[00:59:42] <jmcnaught> teraflops: personally i think we should be cautious when advising people to remove large lists of packages, especially when they are inexperienced
• 164[01:00:31] <teraflops> jmcnaught: if it sounded as an advice it wasn't my intention
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• 174[01:04:36] <buddybenj> how do I change permissions on an NTFS drive?
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• 183[01:07:03] <cafuego> buddybenj: Afaik, you mount it with a different umask/dmask.
• 184[01:07:17] <buddybenj> How do I do that?
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• 187[01:07:57] <cafuego> mount -t ntfs -o umask=xxx,dmask=xxx,... /dev/foobar /mnt/whatevs
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• 190[01:08:17] <cafuego> Note that last I used NTFS under Linux, it wasn't really possible to write to it.
• 191[01:08:36] <buddybenj> I've already tried that and it copied the contents of my HDD into my SSD for some reason.
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• 194[01:08:58] <cafuego> buddybenj: mounting with mount options does not copy drive contents.
• 195[01:09:22] <buddybenj> Oh, ok. Maybe I messed something up.
• 196[01:09:59] <buddybenj> Also, last time i did that, the hard drive disappeared from my window and I couldn't access it.
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• 199[01:10:52] <cafuego> So it's probably still unadvisable to write to NTFS huh
• 200[01:11:00] <buddybenj> Also, is there any way to fix errors on a ext4 hard drive?
• 201[01:11:15] <buddybenj> I tried fsck, but my drive still has problems
• 202[01:11:28] <cafuego> buddybenj: fsck when it's not mounted.
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• 205[01:11:44] <cafuego> If there are still errors, query the drive with smartctl.
• 206[01:12:13] <buddybenj> is smartctl the same thing as SMART?
• 207[01:12:29] <buddybenj> Cause I tried SMART and it still won't work.
• 208[01:12:39] <cafuego> It's a utility to get data from SMART
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• 210[01:12:59] <cafuego> buddybenj: It's not a way to fix a problem, it's a way to diagnose a possible hardware fault.
• 211[01:13:44] <cafuego> If smart says that a drive is failing, there is no fsck command you can run to fix, it's straight to the shop for a new one.
• 212[01:13:56] <buddybenj> It found no errors when I did it though. Also, when I try smartctl, I get command not found
• 213[01:13:56] <Okee> I am wondering how xfce4 got removed? I don’t recall removing it.
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• 215[01:14:23] <jmcnaught> Okee: look at /var/log/apt/history.log and /var/log/apt/term.log
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• 218[01:15:10] <Ghost_r00t> Hello
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• 220[01:15:15] <buddybenj> The error I get is attempting to destroy a swap descriptor with active allocations. Does anyone know how to fix that?
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• 224[01:15:37] <cafuego> buddybenj: wut?
• 225[01:15:50] <cafuego> buddybenj: What's what fsck says?
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• 228[01:16:14] <buddybenj> No, that's the error that happens when trying to write large amounts of data.
• 229[01:16:17] <bumbar> will i get disconnected from ssh if i change ip in /etc/network/interfaces and reload networking service?
• 230[01:16:17] <Ghost_r00t> could I reverse the Stereo Audio in my system. I mean system-wide
• 231[01:16:52] <Ghost_r00t> the Original Left becomes right and the right becomes left]
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• 233[01:17:07] <Ghost_r00t> like what we have in VLC
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• 245[01:21:09] <Okee> still have a big smear on the desktop.
• 246[01:21:27] <jmcnaught> Okee: what did you do?
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• 248[01:22:23] <Okee> jmcnaught> I installed xfce and xfce-goodies. However, I don’t recall removing xfce in the first place. Since it installed, I have to assume that somehow it got removed.
• 249[01:22:33] <Okee> The display is still not working correctly.
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• 252[01:23:08] <jmcnaught> Okee: are you using the proprietary ATI/AMD drivers?
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• 254[01:24:34] <jmcnaught> Okee: what does the file /etc/X11/default-display-manager say?
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• 256[01:25:00] <Okee> jmcnaught> Probably. I have an ATI card on here. I will look for the installation disk that came with the hardware.
• 257[01:26:00] <jmcnaught> Okee: looking at an install disk probably won't help. maybe you remember installing fglrx drivers? Please answer my question about /etc/X11/default-display-manager
• 258[01:26:49] <Okee> jmcnaught> I did a cat of the file, and it says /etc/X11/default-display-manager/usr/sbin/gdm3 It doesn’t show xfce
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• 261[01:27:00] <Okee> Should I go ahead and chage the gdm3 to xfce4?
• 262[01:27:05] <jmcnaught> Okee: no
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• 265[01:27:44] <jmcnaught> Okee: replaced-url
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• 274[01:32:30] <Okee> Hoorah. I got my desktop back. There has got to be a way to get a screensaver that doesn’t dump XFCE.
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• 277[01:33:41] <markybob> light-locker does not get rid of xfce
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• 279[01:34:33] <Okee> markybob> I believe you, but it wasn’t a harmonious experience on my computer.
• 280[01:34:41] <jmcnaught> Okee: whatever you do, research the software before installing it, and pay closer attention to what apt-get/aptitude proposes before answering yes
• 281[01:34:42] <cafuego> apt-get install lightlocker xfce-
• 282[01:34:47] <cafuego> it like totally does!
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• 284[01:34:58] <toruvinn> hello! i was wondering, cause after upgrading php packages to 5.6.19+dfsg-0+deb8u1 yesterday, i've been getting a lot of php5-cgi zombies in apache2+fcgid configuration. although i'm not sure if that was the reason, i've just downgraded back to 5.6.17+dfsg-0+deb8u1 and am watching processes closely... but dont see any zombies. anyone else noticed this in similar configuration?
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• 286[01:35:11] <jmcnaught> Okee: also this Gnome adventure definitely wasn't causeed by installing light-locker, it would have been caused by installing gnome or gdm3
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• 288[01:35:50] <bazhang> toruvinn, compiled? or mixing repos
• 289[01:36:08] <Okee> That is what I thought.
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• 295[01:36:55] <toruvinn> bazhang, it's just jessie, standard debian packages.
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• 300[01:38:28] <toruvinn> bazhang, right now i don't know if some weirdo attack stopped, or downgrading helped, but there are no zombies. previously apache2 process was stuck on poll() and just reading from one of the fds (which was a pipe, meh). apparently never wait()ed for those zombies. no idea what happened there, honestly... but it's gone now. which is why i'm asking if anyone is observing something similar.
• 301[01:38:59] <toruvinn> well i could upgrade to 5.6.19 again... ;-)
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• 303[01:39:27] <toruvinn> actually, doing so now. if i get zombies again, i'll report back, definitely.
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• 307[01:41:54] <awal1> Latest versions of 'tint2' have "Workspace 2", "Workspace 2", "Workspace 3"... but I would like remove the word "workspace" and only have the numbers. Any clue?
• 308[01:42:37] <awal1> tint2 taskbar , I mean ^
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• 321[01:48:06] <toruvinn> bazhang, well, no zombies for now, but most people went to sleep and site isn't used much atm. :-/ will have to continue tomorrow. thanks.
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• 324[01:48:40] <bazhang> ok
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• 409[02:30:46] <dtcrshr> hello guys. Im trying to run an script on debian 8, using awk. On my test boxes (mint and ubuntu) the script runs just fine, on debian I got an error, BEGIN: command not found
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• 411[02:31:03] <dtcrshr> I tried as root and installed other awk interpreters, but yet still cant run it
• 412[02:31:09] <dtcrshr> any tips on troubleshooting?
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• 419[02:32:59] <Morpheus696> hey
• 420[02:33:22] <jmcnaught> dtcrshr: when you installed different awk interpreters, did you call them by name (like gawk, mawk). You can check which is the default awk with update-alternatives
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• 426[02:36:56] <snookmz> Morpheus696: hi!
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• 429[02:38:13] <Morpheus696> hi, now say I have this shell script that installs apache mysql and php, how would I script in changes to the config files
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• 431[02:38:27] <Morpheus696> like it says on the wiki to make sure the config file is as follows
• 432[02:38:32] <Morpheus696> replaced-url
• 433[02:39:21] <dtcrshr> jmcnaught: sorry, I missed a # on my script, now its invoking awk just fine, thanks anyway
• 434[02:39:28] <themill> It would be worthwhile asking the question of why you're trying to script this
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• 436[02:40:45] <Morpheus696> "Just because" really that and a shell script that takes care of LAMP configurations sounds impressive to middle management HR people :P
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• 439[02:41:22] <themill> a real configuration management solution would be more useful in the long run
• 440[02:42:48] <Morpheus696> Well where would I begin with that
• 441[02:42:49] <themill> it's really easy to sink a lot of time into making some hacky script for this sort of thing that isn't robust enough to be reusable
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• 443[02:43:07] <themill> There are a few options: puppet, chef, ansible are the popular options
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• 445[02:45:26] <Morpheus696> hm
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• 450[02:47:20] <Morpheus696> is this like some cPanel / Plesk thing ?
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• 452[02:49:09] <Morpheus696> I'm surprised there isnt a script for this already
• 453[02:49:26] <Morpheus696> like apt-get install lamp and it installs it all for you
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• 456[02:52:09] <jmcnaught> Morpheus696: configuration management is completely different from web control panels. Ansible is pretty easy to get started with, Puppet and Chef have been around much longer
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• 474[03:05:38] <Morpheus696> ansible isn't free ?
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• 483[03:09:50] <dtcrshr> other question. I have a script.pl file, that I would like to be added to my path / executables
• 484[03:10:07] <dtcrshr> I made a ln to /user/local/bin but I cant invoke the script
• 485[03:10:15] <pharpend> that's the wrong thing to do
• 486[03:10:19] <pharpend> I mean, it might work
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• 488[03:10:24] <dtcrshr> is any way to setup that I can run this script from other places, without usint ./
• 489[03:10:33] <pharpend> dtcrshr: the better thing to do is to create a directory, like ~/bin
• 490[03:10:37] <markybob> dtcrshr: did you chmod +x file
• 491[03:10:37] <pharpend> and put your script there
• 492[03:10:39] <Morpheus696> just cp foo.pl /usr/local/bin
• 493[03:10:51] <pharpend> dtcrshr: or well
• 494[03:10:54] <dtcrshr> Morpheus696: didnt work
• 495[03:11:12] <dtcrshr> pharpend: well, the application has already its bin folder, with all the .pl scripts in it
• 496[03:11:13] <pharpend> dtcrshr: make sure to chmod +x /usr/local/bin/whatever.pl
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• 498[03:11:20] <pharpend> hmm
• 499[03:11:21] <Morpheus696> it has execute permissions?
• 500[03:11:23] <dtcrshr> just this one I wish to make avaiable by path refferences or sometihng
• 501[03:11:27] <pharpend> so it isn't just *one* script
• 502[03:11:28] <dtcrshr> yeah
• 503[03:11:32] <pharpend> okay
• 504[03:11:44] <pharpend> did you write the scripts, or did someone else
• 505[03:11:47] <dtcrshr> well, the others .pl files I wont run that much, I just need this one actually
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• 507[03:11:53] <dtcrshr> its from an application ONA
• 508[03:12:02] <pharpend> if someone else wrote them, there should be a makefile or something to install them
• 509[03:12:12] <dtcrshr> i need the dcm.pl file avaiable, so I can invoke an awk script
• 510[03:12:26] <dtcrshr> well, the makefile uses a fpm command, which I couldnt find to install on debian 8
• 511[03:12:46] <dtcrshr> for example, the start line of the make file - fpm -s dir -t ${TYPE} -n dcm -v ${VERSION} \
• 512[03:13:10] <dtcrshr> its this script - replaced-url
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• 514[03:13:41] <dtcrshr> I could also add the /bin folder from the app to the path, ill try this
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• 517[03:15:06] <jesun> need help with netstat
• 518[03:15:30] <awal1> How to continue displaying all the matching commands when using bash reverse search (ctrl r) ?
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• 523[03:16:22] <dtcrshr> pharpend: well, thaks for the points, I used your tips and added the /bin folder from the /opt/application/bin to my path
• 524[03:16:36] <jesun> i typed netstat -rs and i got this
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• 526[03:16:52] <jesun> routing:
• 527[03:16:54] <jesun> 0 bad routing redirects
• 528[03:16:55] <jesun> 0 dynamically created routes
• 529[03:16:57] <jesun> 0 new gateways due to redirects
• 530[03:16:59] <jesun> 14 destinations found unreachable
• 531[03:17:00] <jesun> 0 uses of a wildcard route
• 532[03:17:02] <jesun> 1 route not in table but not freed
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• 534[03:17:51] <jesun> im new to unix
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• 536[03:18:52] <Morpheus696> What are you trying to do jesun
• 537[03:19:07] <johefernan> Guys!
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• 539[03:19:24] <johefernan> The fastest way to make a booteable USB
• 540[03:19:28] <johefernan> Net install
• 541[03:19:39] <Morpheus696> dd
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• 543[03:20:02] <johefernan> Oh
• 544[03:20:04] <johefernan> XD
• 545[03:20:10] <johefernan> True
• 546[03:20:18] <johefernan> Thanks!
• 547[03:20:21] <jesun> Morpheus: im trying to get a better understanding of the enviroment of my powerpc
• 548[03:20:46] <jesun> i am some what teaching myself with terminal
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• 550[03:21:10] <jesun> slow process, exspecially when you have a 1.25 single core
• 551[03:21:12] <markybob> johefernan: what kind of system is this?
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• 553[03:21:44] <johefernan> Got openSUSE
• 554[03:21:55] * abrotman blinks
• 555[03:21:58] <johefernan> Making a Debian boot USB Stick
• 556[03:21:58] <markybob> johefernan: laptop/desktop/server?
• 557[03:22:05] <johefernan> Barebone
• 558[03:22:07] <johefernan> BRIX
• 559[03:22:19] <Morpheus696> ok well I am guessing your concerned about the 14 destinations unreachable?
• 560[03:22:28] <markybob> i don't know wtf a brix is. you'll probably be fine.
• 561[03:22:37] <jesun> Morpheus: yes i am
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• 565[03:24:10] <Morpheus696> I'm a bit of a n00b as well but. 1) is there 14 things it could possibly TRY to reach 2) Do you need to reach those 14 other destinations?
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• 568[03:24:58] <Morpheus696> what happens when you type just netstat -r
• 569[03:25:17] <johefernan> file system suggested?
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• 571[03:25:26] <markybob> johefernan: ext4
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• 573[03:26:09] <Morpheus696> does debian have full btrfs support yet?
• 574[03:26:22] <Morpheus696> thats mainly for SSD's though
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• 576[03:26:47] <markybob> Morpheus696: yes
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• 579[03:27:28] <markybob> Morpheus696: ymmv. i tried jessie with btrfs/lvm/encrypted not long ago and it did not go well
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• 583[03:29:27] <Morpheus696> I don't think I'll stray too far from standard configuration
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• 587[03:29:55] <markybob> lvm/encrypted is pretty standard. i just threw in btrfs in there, which is what we were talking about
• 588[03:30:07] <johefernan> Haha
• 589[03:30:08] <johefernan> Dude
• 590[03:30:20] <johefernan> As easy as cp mini.iso /dev/sdX
• 591[03:30:24] <johefernan> sync
• 592[03:30:31] <johefernan> u.u
• 593[03:30:33] <markybob> johefernan: yes. reading the install guide is great.
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• 595[03:30:49] <johefernan> Bored ¬_¬
• 596[03:30:54] <johefernan> XD
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• 598[03:30:59] <johefernan> Im hurry
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• 607[03:35:27] <jesun> Morpheus: when i type netstat -r it gives me all local host
• 608[03:36:09] <awal1> Trying to understand how update-alternatives works: why the reference to GDM here replaced-url
• 609[03:36:11] <Morpheus696> I'm not too sure then ??
• 610[03:36:20] <Morpheus696> is there 14 things there ?
• 611[03:36:30] <jesun> ill just google it
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• 613[03:36:51] <Morpheus696> sorry :P
• 614[03:36:58] <Morpheus696> I'll help someone one day
• 615[03:36:59] <Morpheus696> :)
• 616[03:37:06] <awal1> probably all of you have the same reference to gdm, but I dont know why :)
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• 618[03:37:45] <jesun> Morpheus: there is only 8
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• 626[03:39:19] <Morpheus696> were you trying to pm me or something ?
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• 631[03:41:00] <jesun> Morpheus: my apologies
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• 633[03:42:04] <Morpheus696> its ok
• 634[03:43:24] <buddybenj> Is there any way to fix the error "attempting to destroy a swap descriptor with active allocations"? I get it when I write large amounts of data to my HDD.
• 635[03:44:43] <pingfloyd> buddybenj: might be helpful if there was more context to that error message
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• 638[03:46:27] <buddybenj> It is a ext4 partition. I can't think of what else to say.
• 639[03:46:39] <buddybenj> Any specific questions you have?
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• 664[04:03:58] <fred1807> on jessie (no gui) can I remove dhcpdc and install networkmanager ?
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• 682[04:09:05] <jmcnaught> fred1807: yes, you can install network-manager.
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• 685[04:09:39] <fred1807> jmcnaught: what should I remove first to avoid conflicts, and make sure network-manager is on command?
• 686[04:10:29] <Morpheus696> whats wrong with nmcli
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• 689[04:10:46] <Morpheus696> or is that the same thing ?
• 690[04:10:47] <jmcnaught> fred1807: you might not need to remove anything. by default networkmanager ignores interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces
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• 692[04:11:09] <jmcnaught> Morpheus696: nmcli is the command line interface, there's also nmtui
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• 696[04:11:24] <Morpheus696> ah I get you now yeah same thing
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• 720[04:14:03] <sysx1000> Hello. I have a problem, I can't build anything. I receive this error message: collect2: ld terminated with signal 7
• 721[04:14:18] <sysx1000> re-installing of gcc didn't help
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• 729[04:15:16] <lux7676> can anyone explain me how can i fix this
• 730[04:15:18] <lux7676> Error while copying to "NEW VOLUME".
• 731[04:15:29] <lux7676> The destination is read-only.
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• 735[04:15:46] <lux7676> i did format the fladh drive
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• 739[04:15:49] <lux7676> flash*
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• 742[04:16:00] <lux7676> no matter what still same message
• 743[04:16:03] <lux7676> its fat32
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• 746[04:16:41] <fred1807> lux7676: if using sd mini to sd card size adapter, check if write protection trigger on the sd card adapter. If not, chekc of user privileges and access (are you root?)
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• 752[04:17:20] <lux7676> oh fred1807
• 753[04:17:32] <lux7676> i did not know i had to be root
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• 757[04:18:09] <fred1807> lux7676: not saying you have to be root. If need write privileges. But root always does, so test root, and setup your users
• 758[04:18:25] <lux7676> ok
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• 764[04:19:59] <lux7676> for some reason i get authentication failure
• 765[04:20:07] <lux7676> i did type su
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• 767[04:20:11] <lux7676> and the user pw
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• 777[04:23:42] <fred1807> lux7676: explain the scenario, you are with de sd card on a computer, and you are about to record an image? Or are you using the pi right now?
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• 780[04:24:48] <lux7676> fred1807 what could be wrong, because when i type su in the terminal is not working but i know i have the right pw because i just checked
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• 782[04:25:07] <lux7676> just flash drive on computer
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• 786[04:25:23] <lux7676> i want to put some files on it
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• 788[04:25:30] <fred1807> lux7676: you type su, it asks for password, you enter password, and it says password in incorrect... then password is incorrect
• 789[04:25:31] <lux7676> the flash drive is empty
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• 791[04:25:43] <jmcnaught> lux7676: with "su" you type root's password. with "sudo" you type the user's password.
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• 793[04:25:52] <lux7676> ohhh
• 794[04:26:00] <lux7676> thats why...
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• 796[04:26:22] <fred1807> type mount and lets check if you drive is mounted as read only, or RW
• 797[04:26:27] <jmcnaught> lux7676: also if you're using a desktop environment like gnome or kde, you can probably just unplug the drive, plug it back in, and you'll be able to write to it (it will be in /media/username/something)
• 798[04:27:13] <lux7676> i tried that and nothing
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• 803[04:27:48] <lux7676> is it possible to transfer file from the terminal maybe?
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• 816[04:31:53] <fred1807> use sftp , you conenct to your pi just like ftp, but you are using the ssh protocal, so you dont install ftp, and it is way better than ftp
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• 846[04:57:09] <murder> ok, so I accidentaly # cat 0bytesfiles >/dev/sda5 - been trying to use fsck to rebuild it, this kind of incident would only mess with filesystem header, right? so I could possibly rebuild it with a superblock?
• 847[04:57:48] <dvs> murder, depends how big 0bytesfiles is
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• 849[04:58:24] <murder> 0 bytes
• 850[04:59:15] <dvs> ??? I don't think there would be a problem
• 851[04:59:24] <murder> well, the problem happened
• 852[04:59:42] <murder> the filesystem started giving io errors, etc
• 853[05:00:09] <murder> mounting didnt happen
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• 858[05:00:48] <murder> my first try with fsck, no arguments, brought up a lot of lost+found directories, with untouched files, which is very good
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• 861[05:01:43] <MorpheusArch> hello
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• 869[05:04:32] <miiichael> Hello, world. Simple question: is there a way to make "curl -s replaced-url
• 870[05:04:53] <murder> 2>/dev/null
• 871[05:05:20] <miiichael> But I'd like to still see real error messages :P
• 872[05:05:44] <murder> what are the errors?
• 873[05:05:51] <miiichael> I was hoping that it was possible to tell gnupg to not complain about a directory I thought I told it to ignore :P
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• 876[05:06:09] <miiichael> gpg: keyblock resource `/home/michael/.gnupg/secring.gpg': file open error
• 877[05:06:09] <miiichael> gpg: keyring `conf-apt-debian/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/murdoch-gogs.gpg' created
• 878[05:06:10] <miiichael> gpg: fatal: /home/michael/.gnupg: directory does not exist!
• 879[05:06:10] <miiichael> secmem usage: 1408/1408 bytes in 2/2 blocks of pool 1408/65536
• 880[05:06:11] *** miiichael was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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• 883[05:06:26] <murder> fatal.
• 884[05:06:31] <miiichael> Oops.
• 885[05:06:43] <murder> thats an important error, you know.
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• 887[05:07:00] <miiichael> Which one? :P
• 888[05:07:05] <murder> the one with fatal
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• 894[05:08:56] <simonlnu> miiichael: why are you not sing apt-key?
• 895[05:09:00] <simonlnu> using*
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• 897[05:09:46] <simonlnu> and don't paste a lot of lines here either. it's not tolerated.
• 898[05:09:56] <miiichael> Because I want to create a package that just stuffs a file into /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
• 899[05:10:09] <simonlnu> and?
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• 902[05:10:37] * miiichael ponders.
• 903[05:11:05] <simonlnu> there's docs on this >> replaced-url
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• 909[05:13:50] <miiichael> simonlnu: which doc should I be looking for? :P
• 910[05:14:13] <simonlnu> um, the stuff on packaging, of course
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• 914[05:15:53] <miiichael> So the Debian Policy Manual then?
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• 926[05:24:39] <murder> so, just found out, the inode count is too low
• 927[05:25:14] <somiaj> miiichael: I think building a package to put files in /etc might not be the best way to achive your goal? Are you trying to pass settings around to multipler installs?
• 928[05:25:38] <mdim> hi all
• 929[05:26:08] <mdim> is there a way to search for "small" Debian source packages? In particular, I would need a package that is very small. Any would do
• 930[05:26:24] <miiichael> somiaj: I'm just trying to do things the same way as the debian-archive-keyring package!
• 931[05:26:45] <lux7676> during new debian version im having this message...
• 932[05:27:05] <miiichael> But yes, I'm packaging a key plus sources.list.d entry for distribution to a bunch of machines
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• 934[05:27:36] <somiaj> miiichael: ahh so this is just the keys/sources to a custom repo?
• 935[05:27:38] <miiichael> (via a local repo)
• 936[05:27:45] <miiichael> Yes.
• 937[05:27:50] <lux7676> some of your hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate. THe firmware can be loaded from removable media such as usb stick
• 938[05:28:17] <lux7676> the missing firmware files are rtl_nicrtl18105e-1
• 939[05:28:21] <somiaj> mdim: What ya looking to do, there are lots of small packages out there. Unsure of any tool that searches by size though.
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• 941[05:28:36] <lux7676> what can i do with this?
• 942[05:28:39] <mdim> somiaj: found one - hardening-wrapper
• 943[05:29:00] <somiaj> lux7676: debian doesn't include non-free firmware in the 'main' archive (this is because main must follow the DSFG)
• 944[05:29:30] <lux7676> somiaj how can i fix this any idea
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• 947[05:30:19] <somiaj> lux7676: since I cannot find that firmware in debian (unsure why I cannot, did you not paste the name correctly) you will have to get it from the vendor.
• 948[05:31:00] <lux7676> thats actually not possible to be honest
• 949[05:31:18] <somiaj> what network card do you have? Get the actual chipet
• 950[05:31:19] <somiaj> chipset
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• 953[05:31:54] <somiaj> Debian does provide lots of firmware via the non-free repo if you want to install non-free firmware, but with the info you gave me I cannot locate the firmware you would need or if debian provides it
• 954[05:32:13] <avis> there's also a non free iso, de specific too :D
• 955[05:32:31] <somiaj> well if the firmware isn't in debian in the first place, that won't do much good. (:
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• 957[05:33:28] <lux7676> brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw this is the one that i missing
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• 960[05:34:03] <somiaj> lux7676: replaced-url
• 961[05:34:28] <avis> with the non-free iso i could use a broadcom that may or may not be different wireless adaptor
• 962[05:34:36] <somiaj> lux7676: you can get that package from non-free. Or you can go to Broadcom and get the firmware from them. If have completed the install you can just copy the firmware over to get your network up and running
• 963[05:35:35] <lux7676> somiaj can i do this during the installation
• 964[05:35:36] <somiaj> lux7676: if you need the firwmare during the install read the install guide for how to supply it, or as avis mentioned there is a unoffical non-free firmware net-install image (unoffical only in the sense that it contains non-free firmware outside of main)
• 965[05:35:49] <lux7676> it says if you have such as meedia available now insert it
• 966[05:35:56] <lux7676> i would ratcher download it
• 967[05:36:07] <awal1> Any clue on how to display workspace number I'm in in 'xmobar'?
• 968[05:36:08] <somiaj> read the install guide on how to supply the firmware during the install
• 969[05:36:21] <lux7676> oh
• 970[05:36:22] <somiaj> or complete the install then copy the firmware over
• 971[05:36:52] <lux7676> ok i can copy it after install
• 972[05:36:55] <lux7676> that would work
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• 974[05:38:29] <arielsanflo> hello
• 975[05:38:54] <lux7676> to be honest debian should have the network firmware included to make it easier for people
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• 977[05:40:12] <arielsanflo> debian error loading pure me out ok on the screen
• 978[05:40:18] <arielsanflo> help
• 979[05:40:21] <somiaj> lux7676: non-free fimrware does not meet the Debian Free software guidelines. As such it will not be included in main
• 980[05:40:39] <somiaj> lux7676: tell the person who produced your hardware to make the software free and it would be included. (:
• 981[05:41:15] <lux7676> ohh
• 982[05:41:22] <somiaj> lux7676: the short answer is you can still use this non-free firmare in debian, it is just stored seperataly and debian is clear about what software follows the DSFG and what does not (though debian does provided access to non-free softweare)
• 983[05:41:37] <lux7676> somiaj are there any free hardware wifi cards?
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• 986[05:42:03] <mac__> How hard is it to reverse engineer the firmware
• 987[05:42:17] <mac__> and just release it with the source?
• 988[05:42:23] <mac__> thus making it free
• 989[05:42:58] <lux7676> i think we should have laptops with 100% open source hardware
• 990[05:43:06] <somiaj> lux7676: there are many sites at the fsf.org about free hardware. In general wifi is very hard to find that is free. There are some chipsets made by Atheros that do not require additional non-free firmware.
• 991[05:43:10] <jpalmer> it's not necessary. starting with jessie, they've made it insanely easy to add the non-free firmwares to whatever install media you prefer. (and in some cases, provide the non-free install format for you)
• 992[05:44:01] <somiaj> lux7676: I do like to point out that Atheros cards just come with the non-free firmware on the hardware (But if you are worried bout the non-free firmware on hardware you may want to look into opensource bios systems)
• 993[05:44:14] <lux7676> i have to look it up and see if atheros will work with my computer
• 994[05:44:22] <somiaj> and yes in debian it is more just a distinction and an annoyance (or point of education as I think) when they run across this during the install
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• 997[05:44:39] <lux7676> somiaj open source bios
• 998[05:44:41] <somiaj> lux7676: if your goal is to run debian with that wifi card it will work just fine, you just have to realize you need non-free firwmare to do it.
• 999[05:44:48] <jpalmer> ie, the offer .iso's with the non-free firmwares, they have a simple tar.gz you can cat along with initrd.gz for PXE boot, etc
• 1000[05:44:53] <lux7676> can you tell me how can i do this and what laptop does have this?
• 1001[05:45:12] <lux7676> somiaj yes i hope that it will work
• 1002[05:45:17] <lux7676> im installing the system now
• 1003[05:45:29] <somiaj> lux7676: I would go check out sites on fsf.org and other freesoftware places as to find librehardware. It is rare and expensive in my experience, but I've only glanced at it.
• 1004[05:45:45] <lux7676> hmm
• 1005[05:45:51] <somiaj> lux7676: this channel is more for debian iteslf, there are better places to talk about libre bios or whatever it is called.
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• 1007[05:45:57] <mac__> free hardware isn't like free beer then ?
• 1008[05:45:58] <mac__> :P
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• 1010[05:46:06] <lux7676> hehe
• 1011[05:46:16] <lux7676> somiaj i understand
• 1012[05:47:09] <lux7676> so any idea whats the percentage of people that are using debian as their main os?
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• 1015[05:48:34] <somiaj> mac__: as for your comment, I belive there are some legal issues (this varries on country) about wireless signals that keep wifi firmware from being open. Though I don't know much about the details, so it is a deeper problem than just reverse enginnering
• 1016[05:48:55] <somiaj> mac__: hence the cards I've seen that dont' require additional non-free firmware still have some on the hardware.
• 1017[05:49:30] <somiaj> lux7676: that is a hard question to ask, and of is probably small since I think in terms of personal computers linux is not that big of a percentage
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• 1019[05:49:59] <somiaj> lux7676: server hardware is another story, but I don't know of anywhere that has any stats on this
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• 1022[05:50:47] <lux7676> ok
• 1023[05:50:50] <lux7676> jw
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• 1060[06:09:39] <lux7676> when i download the first cd iso image does it come with gnome xkde because i did download the whole over 600 mb iso image and im in the bash promopt ....
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• 1065[06:10:42] <jmcnaught> !cd contents
• 1066[06:10:42] <dpkg> To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at replaced-url
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• 1069[06:15:10] <lux7676> dpkg debian-8.4.0-amd64-CD-1.iso 2016-04-02 18:06 630M
• 1070[06:15:11] <dpkg> lux7676: I wish you would RTFM.
• 1071[06:15:19] <lux7676> rtfm?
• 1072[06:15:40] <jmcnaught> lux7676: the bot is programmed to sass people when they address it accidentally
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• 1074[06:16:07] <simonlnu> or on purpose :P
• 1075[06:16:11] <murder> altho this is the first time I see someone who doesnt know what is rtfm
• 1076[06:16:22] <lux7676> oh
• 1077[06:16:26] <simonlnu> "read the fine manual"
• 1078[06:16:29] <lux7676> oh
• 1079[06:16:42] <murder> 'read the full manual' :)
• 1080[06:17:00] <simonlnu> lux7676: you've gotten yourself into a world fascinated with acronyms ;)
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• 1083[06:17:20] <simonlnu> TLA for instance is a nice one
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• 1086[06:18:02] <lux7676> i mean i thought this will be the full version
• 1087[06:18:09] <lux7676> because bash wont help to much...
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• 1089[06:18:29] <simonlnu> it's cd 1
• 1090[06:18:58] <jmcnaught> lux7676: what's the story? you installed using that image, and after the install all you get is bash?
• 1091[06:19:10] <simonlnu> there's different isos for different things
• 1092[06:19:23] <lux7676> jmcnaught yes
• 1093[06:19:37] <lux7676> i did download the whole new iso
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• 1097[06:19:45] <lux7676> not the neset like last time
• 1098[06:19:50] <lux7676> but the whole image
• 1099[06:19:56] <lux7676> and im getting bash prompt
• 1100[06:20:11] <jmcnaught> lux7676: does it make you login first, or bring you straight to bash?
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• 1102[06:20:32] <lux7676> straight to bash
• 1103[06:20:39] <murder> does new debian support inittab 5 to bring up X ?
• 1104[06:20:41] <lux7676> and then asks me login info
• 1105[06:20:43] <simonlnu> heck, with the netinst you can get a desktop, via downloads, if you follow through the install to the end
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• 1107[06:20:50] <simonlnu> murder: no
• 1108[06:21:00] <murder> I'm getting old
• 1109[06:21:03] <somiaj> lux7676: do you have a usbstick and another computer you can copy the firmware to your machine with?
• 1110[06:21:03] <simonlnu> not by default. you do that yourself
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• 1112[06:21:24] <lux7676> ok thi is what i have
• 1113[06:21:30] <simonlnu> ah, network issue
• 1114[06:21:45] <murder> you probably want debian-8.4.0-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso or something like that
• 1115[06:21:46] <lux7676> GNU GRUB VERSION 2.02 BETA 2-22+DEB8U1
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• 1117[06:21:57] <lux7676> I can choose
• 1118[06:22:05] <lux7676> Debian GNU/LINUX
• 1119[06:22:07] <lux7676> or
• 1120[06:22:08] * simonlnu says "this is what happens when you come in in the middle of a support question ;)"
• 1121[06:22:09] <somiaj> lux7676: Okay choose it
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• 1123[06:22:19] <lux7676> Advanced options doe Debain GNU/linux
• 1124[06:22:21] <somiaj> lux7676: and it boots into a console. You can login as root right?
• 1125[06:22:34] <lux7676> yes
• 1126[06:22:57] <somiaj> lux7676: I didn't ask about that. I asked if you had another machine you can get the firwmare from and copy it over to the machine) What options do you have to copy a file to your debian install?
• 1127[06:23:05] <lux7676> myusername login_
• 1128[06:23:40] <lux7676> yes i can get it from another machine
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• 1130[06:23:47] <simonlnu> cool
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• 1133[06:24:17] <lux7676> somaij now i already installed it
• 1134[06:24:30] <lux7676> somiaj
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• 1137[06:25:19] <jmcnaught> murder: if you're using systemd, the concept of targets replace init runlevels. there are multi-user.target and graphical.target for example, "systemctl get-default" (or set-default) to see/set which one is used
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• 1139[06:25:25] <lux7676> after i enter the correct info it brings a message about when i logged in last time...
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• 1141[06:26:34] <lux7676> maybe i should really downgrade to 7.9 because this iso is the only one thats working for me
• 1142[06:26:50] <lux7676> its literally same size
• 1143[06:27:07] <somiaj> lux7676: just finish your install. But don't add so much noise.
• 1144[06:27:14] <somiaj> lux7676: identify what you need to do next and get help doign it
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• 1148[06:27:29] <fishcooker> how to delete this this rule of the nat chain if i have this info replaced-url
• 1149[06:27:30] <somiaj> lux7676: is what you need to do next a) get your network working or b) install gnome (or someother desktop)
• 1150[06:27:53] <lux7676> i did download another one just in case
• 1151[06:28:03] <lux7676> debian-8.3.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso
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• 1153[06:28:26] <somiaj> lux7676: you do not need to reinstall. You need to do as I suggested. identify where you are at and what youw ant to do
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• 1155[06:28:29] <lux7676> if this brings me to bash after another intallation.. then i believe there is no fix
• 1156[06:28:42] <somiaj> lux7676: i.e. if you have network working, you can 'apt-get install xfce4'
• 1157[06:28:50] <somiaj> lux7676: if you don't have network working you can get it working
• 1158[06:29:12] <somiaj> lux7676: you ahve already sucesfully installed debian, it is booting and runing, you can log in and control it via a shell. So now just get it working like you need.
• 1159[06:29:15] <lux7676> how can i install something
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• 1162[06:29:54] <somiaj> lux7676: Have you copied the .deb I pointed you to a while a go over, to this machine so you can get your network working?
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• 1164[06:30:42] <simonlnu> lux7676: slow down please, you're getting ahead of yourself. concentrate on networking first, then you can install anything you want (or just about).
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• 1274[07:30:14] <xWindow-Free> Yohanes Patra
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• 1282[07:30:44] <xWindow-Free> FROM YOHANES PATRA OR IMMANUEL YOHANES PATRA ... .
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• 1306[07:42:18] <genoobie> hey all
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• 1310[07:42:44] <genoobie> I know this isn't the noob support channel, but I'm having some difficulties following the manual / debian wikis
• 1311[07:43:17] <genoobie> earlier today I tried to install the browser-plugin pepper flash for ice-weasel wraparound and it says pkg not found
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• 1313[07:43:53] <genoobie> some other pkgs were not found. I went ahead and installed chromium, but I'd rather want to figure out why the pkg wasn't found
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• 1316[07:44:26] <genoobie> second, I am trying to mount a smb share that is on my network and make this mount persistent but the guides don't work.
• 1317[07:44:37] <genoobie> any tips would be greatly appreciated.
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• 1319[07:44:44] <somiaj> genoobie: the flash plugins do not meet th DSFG and they will not be included in debian main
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• 1322[07:45:07] <somiaj> genoobie: the scripts to install the plugins are located int he 'contrib' repo, and they will download the non-free flash when isntalled.
• 1323[07:45:10] <somiaj> !contrib
• 1324[07:45:10] <dpkg> [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb replaced-url
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• 1326[07:45:30] <genoobie> somiaj, okay, so I have the contrib repo in my sources, so what gives?
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• 1328[07:46:05] <somiaj> genoobie: what is the output of 'apt-cache policy browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash'
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• 1331[07:47:02] <genoobie> somiaj, N: Unable to locate package browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
• 1332[07:47:15] <somiaj> genoobie: what is the ouput of apt-cache policy
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• 1334[07:47:26] <somiaj> genoobie: it sounds like you do not have contrib enabled actually wait, one second
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• 1336[07:47:29] <somiaj> ,v browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
• 1337[07:47:30] <judd> Package: browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.3.4-1~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.3.4-3; stretch/contrib: 0.3.4-3
• 1338[07:47:48] <somiaj> genoobie: it looks like you have to get that from jessie-backports as it was not available when jessie was released.
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• 1340[07:48:18] <negge> anyone know how to grow a degraded RAID6 from [UUU_] to [UUUU_], basically adding a disk but not adding it as the missing piece
• 1341[07:48:29] <negge> I just ran --add now and it's rebuilding into a [UUUU]
• 1342[07:48:33] <genoobie> somiaj here is the output from apt-cache policy replaced-url
• 1343[07:48:43] <negge> I guess I should have stopped the array and then use --create with "missing" as parameters?
• 1344[07:48:53] <somiaj> genoobie: you are probabaly missing jessie-backport sources, or contrib for jessie-backports
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• 1346[07:49:19] <genoobie> so I have to add jessie-backports?
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• 1350[07:50:49] <somiaj> genoobie: correct, and include then run apt-get -t jessie-backports install packagename
• 1351[07:50:52] <somiaj> !jessie-backports
• 1352[07:50:52] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
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• 1354[07:51:25] <genoobie> somiaj, okay, so that explains it
• 1355[07:51:46] <genoobie> I don't want to mess around with adding unstable software actually, but much thanks for the explanation!
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• 1358[07:52:15] <genoobie> somiaj, one last question, re: samba share and getting a mnt to persist...
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• 1360[07:52:22] <somiaj> genoobie: jessie backports are compiled against jessie libs so it is safe for your system
• 1361[07:52:34] <genoobie> somiaj, oh..okay
• 1362[07:52:36] <somiaj> genoobie: it isn't nearly as well tested, but it won't mess with any of the core libaries
• 1363[07:52:53] <genoobie> okay
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• 1365[07:53:11] <genoobie> I mean I don't really need it since chromium is installed (but I like iceweasel)
• 1366[07:53:14] <genoobie> anyhow
• 1367[07:53:16] <somiaj> i.e. it is designed for jessie, just not as well tested (less security support). But it will get the pepper flash plugin for iceweasel.
• 1368[07:53:33] <somiaj> yea the only difference is you'll ahve teh wrapper installed. It will use the same flash plugin
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• 1371[07:54:09] <somiaj> genoobie: and jessie-backports packages iwll not install automatically, so it is safe to have the repo. That is why ou needed that -t jessie-backports in the install command
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• 1373[07:54:25] <genoobie> somiaj, so once that line is in my sources.list I should be able to "apt-get install foo"
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• 1376[07:54:49] <somiaj> genoobie: no see above about the additional option you need to add
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• 1380[07:56:31] <genoobie> should I add "contrib non-free" to the link you posted above?
• 1381[07:56:47] <genoobie> deb replaced-url
• 1382[07:56:48] <somiaj> genoobie: you only need contrib for the package you want.
• 1383[07:56:55] <somiaj> genoobie: but choice is yours.
• 1384[07:57:08] <genoobie> somiaj, but to be consistent with the rest of the repos in sources.list?
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• 1386[07:57:56] <somiaj> genoobie: if you don't include contrib you can't get the package you want. If you don't include non-free it won't matter unless there is some future package you want form there.
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• 1388[07:58:17] <genoobie> somiaj, so just to be clear for the install (in the future) apt-get -t jessie-backports install "package"
• 1389[07:58:27] <genoobie> that's the switch I'll need to install?
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• 1391[07:58:43] <somiaj> genoobie: correct, you need that extra option to install packages from jessie-backports. All other packages will be installed from jessie
• 1392[07:58:50] <somiaj> genoobie: jessie-backports also only contains select packages.
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• 1395[08:00:01] <genoobie> somiaj, mucho thanks
• 1396[08:00:22] <genoobie> I just went ahead and did it with synaptic so hopefully all the switches were ok
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• 1401[08:02:46] <genoobie> somiaj, know anything about mounting smb shares... :)
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• 1406[08:05:36] <somiaj> genoobie: I would use cifs from the command line, but I think many file mangers have plugins for this
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• 1409[08:06:54] <genoobie> somiaj, XFCE4, thunar, doesn't look like it...
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• 1411[08:07:08] <genoobie> just found a guide that works though (I think)
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• 1417[08:09:08] <somiaj> thunar has these plugins, unsure how to get them to work. I don't use such fancy things.
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• 1420[08:09:48] <genoobie> oh wait...
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• 1427[08:13:12] <hmir> Good morning. I have a question regarding the debian testing iso.
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• 1430[08:13:38] <hmir> replaced-url
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• 1432[08:14:05] <hmir> Does the first testing DVD "debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso" come with xfce wm?
• 1433[08:14:13] <somiaj> hmir: what is your question? Also what is your goal? Do you want to install/run debian testing or do you want to test the installer?
• 1434[08:14:23] <somiaj> hmir: if your goal is to install testing, don't use the testing installer
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• 1436[08:15:00] <hmir> Anyone?
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• 1445[08:19:29] <Hijiri> somiaj: do you already have gvfs and the gvfs samba backend installed?
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• 1449[08:20:26] <somiaj> Hijiri: I don't need to get it to work.
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• 1453[08:21:10] <Hijiri> I should have highlighted genoobie
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• 1455[08:21:27] <Hijiri> wait
• 1456[08:21:29] <Hijiri> no
• 1457[08:21:33] <genoobie> Hijiri,
• 1458[08:21:44] <Hijiri> I'm not sure anymore, I should read the logs
• 1459[08:21:53] <genoobie> when I search for gfvs samba there's nothing there.
• 1460[08:22:00] <Hijiri> what about gvfs smb?
• 1461[08:22:05] <genoobie> yep nothing
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• 1467[08:22:39] <Hijiri> gvfs-backends comes up for me
• 1468[08:23:13] <genoobie> Hijiri, hold a sec
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• 1470[08:23:42] <genoobie> okay, I will install that...then
• 1471[08:25:02] <negge> I figured out my problem, apparently you can grow a healthy [UUUU] array into a semi-degraded [UUUU_] simply by mdadm re-adding a missing device and then growing with --force and --backup-file
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• 1476[08:27:20] <genoobie> hijiri you rock
• 1477[08:27:21] <genoobie> thanks!
• 1478[08:27:24] <Hijiri> np
• 1479[08:27:30] <Hijiri> glad that it worked
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• 1493[08:33:35] <shann_> hello everybody :-)
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• 1562[09:07:21] <tuor> Hi, logrotate isn't rotating /var/log/auth.log. It's configured in /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog and all the other files which are configured are rotated correctly. Only this one isn't. How can I find out why it isn't?
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• 1568[09:10:40] <tuor> Is does not need rotating: replaced-url
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• 1570[09:12:14] <jim> tuor, running low on disk space?
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• 1572[09:13:46] <tuor> slowly but shurly
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• 1602[09:30:54] <tuor> The file contains log that are realy old, but it does not get rotated.
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• 1621[09:42:44] <rocksteady> Hi. Anyone can tell me the difference between "ip neigh add" and "arp -s"?
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• 1631[09:45:45] <grawity> `ip neigh add` also supports IPv6 NDP and proxy-ARP/proxy-NDP
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• 1634[09:46:14] <grawity> for regular IPv4 ARP, no difference; they both access the same ARP cache
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• 1638[09:46:56] <rocksteady> grawity: Thank you.
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• 1688[10:11:17] <vvande> Is there a simple way to get the prompt to show the whole domain?
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• 1690[10:11:59] <vvande> I have two servers with differnt TLDs and don't want to get mixed up.
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• 1694[10:13:36] <bezaban> vvande: using bash? You can set the PS1 variable to change your prompt
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• 1703[10:15:57] <vvande> bezaban: thanks. I tried what others recommend, eg: PS1="\[\u@$(hostname -f): \w\]\$ " but it doesn't work and then shows a $ prompt for root (which is my main account to worry about)
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• 1706[10:16:35] <vvande> The last, put into /etc/bash.bashrc
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• 1719[10:24:00] <TomTomTosch> vvande: it works for me.
• 1720[10:24:14] <TomTomTosch> ls
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• 1724[10:25:10] <cisc0> hello
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• 1726[10:26:10] <harajuko> hi
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• 1728[10:26:52] <vvande> TomTomTosch: thanks, I'm not having any luck with that command. I just tried it in /root/.profile rebooted and no change.
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• 1739[10:28:41] <vvande> TomTomTosch: are you showing the TLD?
• 1740[10:28:51] <TomTomTosch> vvande: you have to put that at the end of /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc
• 1741[10:29:21] <vvande> ok, I'll try it at the end of /etc/bash.bashrc now
• 1742[10:29:41] <TomTomTosch> vvande: it will display the FQDN that you put into the installer.
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• 1744[10:30:26] <TomTomTosch> vvande: if you only put it in bash.bashrc it will work for root, but be overwritten by ~/.bashrc for normal users.
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• 1752[10:31:49] <vvande> OK, got that about users. thanks
• 1753[10:32:17] <vvande> but It's not working for root. just tried it at the end of the file (right after export PATH)
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• 1759[10:34:43] <TomTomTosch> but hostname -f alone works?
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• 1762[10:35:56] <vvande> yes, the host name shows but no tld. I just tried changing /etc/hosts to include the tld but it didn't like it.
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• 1764[10:36:21] <vvande> I'm thinking the last is a hint - but what?
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• 1766[10:38:07] <grawity> the way `hostname -f` works is
• 1767[10:38:22] <grawity> first it resolves your regular hostname to an IP address (see e.g. `getent ahosts $(hostname)`)
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• 1769[10:38:30] <grawity> then it tries to resolve that back
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• 1771[10:39:34] <vvande> this is on an ipv6 VPS with ipv4 natting. Perhaps that's the problem.
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• 1780[10:46:25] <vvande> grawity: thanks for the explanation. I haven't quite grokked that and need to look further. However, I've now solved my actual problem to my satisfaction by simply setting the prompt "manaully" in /etc/bash.bashrc like this PS1="myprompt #"
• 1781[10:46:40] <vvande> crude, but does the trick for now :)
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• 1783[10:47:59] <kolibri> Hello. I'm using a preseed.cfg file for an automatic debian 8.4 installation (with packer). Sometimes (it feels like the half of the builds), the installation process fails at the step "select and install software". And I got no idea, why. This is my preseed.cfg file: replaced-url
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• 1814[10:58:27] <andykay> Hello all. How do I reset the password in debian? I tried booting into single-user mode but the passwd utility is NOT there
• 1815[10:58:40] <andykay> Couldn't find it in /bin /usr/bin or anywhere
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• 1818[11:00:15] <SPF> andykay: you could generate a new password checksum on a different system and manually change /etc/shadow
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• 1821[11:00:41] <andykay> SPF, interesting. How do I generate it then?
• 1822[11:00:42] <SPF> andykay: or copy /usr/bin/passwd from a different system
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• 1826[11:01:07] <andykay> Perhaps just copying the utility would be easier
• 1827[11:01:08] <SPF> andykay: on a different system you can use passwd and it will store the new hash in /etc/shadow
• 1828[11:01:23] <andykay> Uh huh -- and then I just copy the file?
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• 1830[11:01:39] <andykay> The machine in question has a lot of logins on it -- I don't need any of them
• 1831[11:01:55] <andykay> Will they be lost?
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• 1833[11:02:14] <andykay> I mean, they will probably remain in /home but I hope I can remove them all afterwards
• 1834[11:02:26] <andykay> the profiles I mean
• 1835[11:02:28] <SPF> you should not copy /etc/shadow
• 1836[11:02:34] <SPF> only the hash
• 1837[11:02:43] <andykay> Right...
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• 1841[11:03:13] <SPF> or the whole line including the hash
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• 1843[11:03:33] <andykay> So just the line for root would suffice then, SPF?
• 1844[11:03:35] <SPF> er, no, only the hash
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• 1846[11:03:46] <andykay> And then I could log in as root and remove all the unnecessary logins/profiles
• 1847[11:03:56] <andykay> OK then, just the hash for root
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• 1849[11:04:17] <SPF> it's not advised to manually edit /etc/shadow
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• 1851[11:04:28] * andykay shrugs
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• 1853[11:04:35] <andykay> I don't know why that system has no passwd
• 1854[11:04:37] <SPF> I would recommend fixing the program passwd
• 1855[11:04:40] <andykay> Someone must've removed it
• 1856[11:04:50] <andykay> Does passwd have any dependencies?
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• 1859[11:04:59] <andykay> Or would it be alright just to copy the binary file?
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• 1867[11:06:11] <andykay> Basically someone has retired and left that machine without telling anyone the password
• 1868[11:06:13] <SPF> andykay: if you have a system which the same distro and arch then it should be ok
• 1869[11:06:17] <SPF> *with
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• 1873[11:06:50] <andykay> SPF, I don't really but it's basically Debian 7 -- so I guess I could get it off some other machine... or even a VM
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• 1875[11:07:13] <andykay> It kind of seems easier to reinstall the OS but I'm not sure about all the drivers and stuff
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• 1878[11:08:03] <SPF> andykay: maybe you can try apt-get install --reinstall passwd ?
• 1879[11:08:34] <andykay> SPF, that if the system had an internet connection but it doesn't...
• 1880[11:09:00] <andykay> and we use a proxy to access the Internet so simply plugging it to our Intranet wouldn't help
• 1881[11:09:10] <andykay> and I've no idea how to use apt-get through a proxy
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• 1883[11:09:58] <andykay> I mean I could try... so yeah, thanks for another idea
• 1884[11:10:11] <andykay> I will try anything before I decide to reinstall the OS
• 1885[11:10:20] <SPF> andykay: you could try to download passwd.deb for debian 7
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• 1887[11:10:39] <andykay> Oh, now this seems like a feasible idea. Where do I get that .deb file?
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• 1889[11:11:57] <SPF> andykay: replaced-url
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• 1894[11:12:52] <Jerm1_> Hey folks. I have something in my logs I have not seen until recently. I am not sure I understand the man for it. Would anyone be able to give me the gist of what is going on or point me in the right direction? I don't think it's an issue but it is new and I have not done anything (that I recall). replaced-url
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• 1897[11:14:43] <andykay> SPF, thanks a million
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• 1931[11:32:24] <MaBunny> hey guys i downloaded the iso afresh
• 1932[11:32:39] <MaBunny> so how do i check its md5 checksum?
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• 1934[11:34:50] <jelly> MaBunny: on which os?
• 1935[11:35:12] <MaBunny> well....linux
• 1936[11:35:14] <MaBunny> another distro
• 1937[11:35:26] <MaBunny> but based on ubuntu
• 1938[11:35:29] <flux242> md5sum afresh
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• 1940[11:35:39] <jelly> MaBunny: there's a md5sum command. Also a sha256sum command.
• 1941[11:35:45] <MaBunny> man md5sum
• 1942[11:35:47] <MaBunny> ok
• 1943[11:36:00] <MaBunny> thnx guys
• 1944[11:36:00] <MaBunny> brb
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• 1984[11:57:39] <DenverCoder7> Hi!
• 1985[11:59:01] <DenverCoder7> So I'm looking for pre-compiled binaries of CMake 3.2 or higher, but it seems that none exist. I've already searched Google, Launchpad, the Debian Package Tracker and PPA's with no luck.
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• 1992[12:01:13] <DenverCoder7> Compiling it myself is out of the equation since this would run in a CI VM, and compiling CMake from source there takes upwards of 10 minutes, which is not acceptable. I'll add that the CI VM is wiped before each build, so no way to keep an existing install, and apt-get will only give me CMake 3.0, while I need 3.2 or higher.
• 1993[12:01:50] <DenverCoder7> So, does anyone have any idea where I could find these binaries?
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• 2002[12:06:54] <grawity> DenverCoder7: compile it yourself, and have the CI VM install your own .deb?
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• 2008[12:09:49] <DenverCoder7> grawity: That would work, but I'd have to keep that file hosted reliably and I'd rather not
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• 2011[12:10:50] <DenverCoder7> Trying with the official binaries from cmake.org right now, though they seem to be generic Linux binaries though so not sure this'll work
• 2012[12:11:55] <grawity> you can host CI infra but not a small .deb >_>
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• 2016[12:12:41] <grawity> hmm I guess installing packages from testing in stable is not safe...
• 2017[12:13:08] <HelloAtMega> Anyone here confortable with pastebinit?
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• 2023[12:15:31] <DenverCoder7> grawity: Actually, I'm using gitlab.com's shared runners, so they host the infrastructure ;)
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• 2028[12:16:12] <grawity> so if you had binaries you'd have to host them yourself somewhere anyway, no?
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• 2030[12:17:30] <DenverCoder7> grawity: I was hoping to find a PPA or a trusted place that already hosts them
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• 2057[12:37:47] <Ghost_r00t> I tried to make an ftp server on my debian machine. I t was easy with the help of vsftp. but it shares my whole home dir
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• 2060[12:38:52] <Ghost_r00t> what I excpedt was for me to introduce just one directory somewhere I'd like and the tell FTP server to share it
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• 2069[12:41:39] <colo-work> Ghost_r00t, that's not how most ftp daemons work. easy way out: create a user that does nothing else, but provide that ftp share that you want to have, in its home directory
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• 2079[12:52:18] <DenverCoder7> grawity: Got it working using the official binaries from cmake.org, thanks for yout help!
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• 2095[12:59:15] <Linuxero1982> Hi
• 2096[12:59:19] <Linuxero1982> someone here?
• 2097[12:59:36] <Linuxero1982> I want to intall Debian 8.4 on hp pavilion dv6
• 2098[12:59:46] <Linuxero1982> is it work?
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• 2100[13:00:03] <Linuxero1982> someone can help me?
• 2101[13:00:42] <Linuxero1982> before I installed debian 8 but my CPU getting very hot
• 2102[13:01:20] <Linuxero1982> better my graphica card is what getting hot
• 2103[13:01:28] <Linuxero1982> someone can help me?
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• 2105[13:01:48] <mase2hotUK> what you saying since debian 8 your CPU is getting hot?
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• 2109[13:02:46] <Linuxero1982> my computer is heated
• 2110[13:03:05] <Linuxero1982> I'm sorry I speak little english
• 2111[13:04:03] <mase2hotUK> ok, I doubt your heating issues is going to be down to the vresion of Linux you are running. Lets start with the basics, are you in a hot country? Is the room warm where the computer is?
• 2112[13:04:22] <Linuxero1982> no no
• 2113[13:04:45] <Linuxero1982> My computer has double graphic card I think
• 2114[13:04:54] <mase2hotUK> when you say hot what temperature is it at?
• 2115[13:04:56] <Linuxero1982> ati radeon and intel
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• 2117[13:05:21] <Linuxero1982> My fun always on
• 2118[13:05:40] <mase2hotUK> what model?
• 2119[13:05:43] <Linuxero1982> but that was on debian 8 I think
• 2120[13:05:55] <mase2hotUK> model of card?
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• 2122[13:05:59] <Linuxero1982> or debian 7 I don't remember
• 2123[13:06:06] <Linuxero1982> ok
• 2124[13:06:08] <Linuxero1982> wait
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• 2127[13:06:40] <mase2hotUK> fan is controlled by the card itself not linux
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• 2129[13:06:55] <Linuxero1982> ok but in ubuntu works fine
• 2130[13:07:11] <mase2hotUK> and what is fine?
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• 2133[13:08:21] <Linuxero1982> work well
• 2134[13:08:29] <Linuxero1982> the fun always is stop
• 2135[13:08:33] <Linuxero1982> don't hot
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• 2139[13:10:17] <Linuxero1982> the graphic card is radeon HD 6400M/74000M series
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• 2142[13:11:12] <inigo> let's start by the cpu...
• 2143[13:11:20] <Linuxero1982> intel i5
• 2144[13:11:25] <inigo> probably you have it running at 100% capacity
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• 2146[13:11:35] <Linuxero1982> no no
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• 2148[13:11:49] <Linuxero1982> I think it was double card graphic
• 2149[13:11:53] <inigo> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor
• 2150[13:12:04] <inigo> regarding that, I've an asus with double card
• 2151[13:12:06] <Linuxero1982> the computer has an intel graphic card
• 2152[13:12:09] <Linuxero1982> also
• 2153[13:12:13] <inigo> I use bumblebee
• 2154[13:12:20] <inigo> but that's for intel+nvidia
• 2155[13:12:30] <inigo> (the bumblebee package)
• 2156[13:12:36] <Linuxero1982> I have intel+amd
• 2157[13:12:43] <Linuxero1982> no nvidia
• 2158[13:12:45] <inigo> this tech is called "Optimus" with nvidia
• 2159[13:12:59] <inigo> I'm not sure the keyword to seach packages for that one
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• 2161[13:13:15] <Linuxero1982> and with intel+amd which one?
• 2162[13:13:21] <inigo> apt-cache search Optimus, only gets "Nvidia" related pakages I think
• 2163[13:13:30] <Linuxero1982> ok
• 2164[13:13:40] <Linuxero1982> I had use ubuntu by that
• 2165[13:13:58] <Linuxero1982> but I dont remember if debian 7 or debian 8
• 2166[13:14:19] <Linuxero1982> is what getting hot my computer
• 2167[13:14:19] <inigo> you can inspect a dplg -l on ubuntu, and see if there is any ATI related package
• 2168[13:14:31] <inigo> then you can see if there is a similar package in debian
• 2169[13:14:35] <inigo> arg
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• 2171[13:14:38] <inigo> dpkg -l
• 2172[13:14:39] <dpkg> Files in package inigo-pr0n: /srv/inigo-pr0n/inigo.jpg
• 2173[13:15:06] <Linuxero1982> now is using x.org server-video ati open source
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• 2175[13:15:47] <inigo> if you don't use 3d... a workaround for heating is to totally disable the no intel card in the bios if possible
• 2176[13:16:01] <inigo> and work just with the intel one
• 2177[13:16:18] <Linuxero1982> but my ati is more powerfull
• 2178[13:16:20] <Linuxero1982> than
• 2179[13:16:24] <Linuxero1982> intel
• 2180[13:16:25] <inigo> I had the same heating issues until I did install bumblebee
• 2181[13:16:33] <Linuxero1982> ok
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• 2183[13:16:40] <jelly> and indeed more power -> more heat
• 2184[13:16:42] <inigo> I think this additional cards, are just for games and 3d rendering
• 2185[13:16:48] <inigo> when I play 0ad it turns on
• 2186[13:16:52] <inigo> and the heat appears
• 2187[13:16:57] <Linuxero1982> ok but I want to install debian better ubuntu and I want to know if it already work for my laptop
• 2188[13:17:07] <inigo> to keep the system cool, it's the other card
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• 2190[13:17:41] <Linuxero1982> but it has to work
• 2191[13:17:47] <inigo> you can install both, and search for differences, or use a ubuntu livecd if it does not got hot with it
• 2192[13:17:48] <Linuxero1982> with bow
• 2193[13:17:52] <Linuxero1982> both
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• 2195[13:18:07] <Linuxero1982> no ubuntun work well
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• 2199[13:18:36] <inigo> so there is support in the kernel and the userland, you're missing just the integration part in debian
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• 2201[13:19:07] <inigo> it maybe any "Power management" or "AIT" related package, or any setting made by the ubuntu installer/detectors
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• 2203[13:19:26] <Linuxero1982> wait my english is basic
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• 2205[13:20:01] <Linuxero1982> then
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• 2209[13:20:21] <Linuxero1982> I only to know if Debian will work with my laptop only that
• 2210[13:20:43] <inigo> if you make it work, it will
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• 2215[13:20:50] <Linuxero1982> ok
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• 2217[13:21:00] <inigo> at your current status, it works, but get's hot
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• 2219[13:21:23] <Linuxero1982> now I use ubuntu by that but i prefer debian
• 2220[13:21:33] <inigo> what do you get by this command? cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor
• 2221[13:21:44] <Linuxero1982> wait
• 2222[13:21:51] <Linuxero1982> I'm going to use it
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• 2225[13:22:25] <Linuxero1982> powersave I get
• 2226[13:22:37] <Linuxero1982> is it well?
• 2227[13:22:40] <inigo> then is ok
• 2228[13:22:44] <inigo> yea
• 2229[13:22:46] <Linuxero1982> ok
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• 2231[13:23:10] <inigo> do you know your laptop model ?
• 2232[13:23:16] <Linuxero1982> yes
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• 2234[13:23:35] <Linuxero1982> hp pavilion dv6-6c04es
• 2235[13:23:55] <Linuxero1982> is it work?
• 2236[13:24:18] <Linuxero1982> intel i5-2450M
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• 2238[13:24:25] <Linuxero1982> 6 gb ram
• 2239[13:24:55] <inigo> lets see this thread of arch linux, first google result: replaced-url
• 2240[13:25:28] <Linuxero1982> and double card graphic intel and amd radeon HD 6400M/7400M series 1 Gb
• 2241[13:25:58] <inigo> they say about a init command running this:
• 2242[13:26:00] <inigo> ExecStart=/bin/bash -c 'echo OFF > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch'
• 2243[13:26:03] <inigo> in that link
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• 2245[13:26:10] <inigo> so maybe you can turn it on and off
• 2246[13:26:26] <inigo> off when you want a cool laptop, and on for games, etc
• 2247[13:26:26] <spacedust> when i do update-grub i get a bunch of mount errors about /dev/dm0 and dm1
• 2248[13:26:30] <spacedust> i have no idea why
• 2249[13:26:45] <spacedust> both dm0/boot and dm1/ (root) are mounted fine
• 2250[13:26:56] <spacedust> it then tries to mount it as ntfs /ufs xjs and everything :)
• 2251[13:27:01] <spacedust> and get errors in dmesg
• 2252[13:27:16] <Linuxero1982> ok
• 2253[13:27:18] <spacedust> i think it does the upgrade-grub eventually but i still dont understand why i get the errors
• 2254[13:27:33] <Linuxero1982> thank you for helping me bye bye
• 2255[13:27:38] <Linuxero1982> I have to go
• 2256[13:27:41] <Linuxero1982> bye
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• 2260[13:28:33] <inigo> spacedust, do you have backups ? :)
• 2261[13:28:41] <spacedust> inigo: i dont have backups
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• 2263[13:28:51] <spacedust> inigo: its a new server im making
• 2264[13:28:58] <spacedust> inigo: just about to restart from scratch
• 2265[13:29:04] <spacedust> was just wondering what could cause this
• 2266[13:29:05] <inigo> oh
• 2267[13:29:14] <spacedust> inigo: its a kvm virtualization host
• 2268[13:29:15] <inigo> are you using preseed or something?
• 2269[13:29:28] <spacedust> i have no idea :) how would i know that ?
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• 2271[13:29:46] <inigo> to automate the partitioning, and installer, that is preseed
• 2272[13:29:54] <inigo> appendix B of the installer manual
• 2273[13:29:58] <spacedust> i updated initramfs cause i changed module options in modprobe.d/kvm-intel.conf
• 2274[13:30:12] <spacedust> mmmm i dont know :) really
• 2275[13:30:14] <inigo> when working in custom recipes for partitions with preseed is common to get to grub errors
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• 2277[13:30:20] <spacedust> i think i made my dm0 and dm1 with the installer
• 2278[13:30:21] <inigo> oh
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• 2280[13:30:34] <inigo> and how did you run update-grub? simply like that?
• 2281[13:30:39] <spacedust> yes
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• 2283[13:30:45] <spacedust> update-grub thats how i run it
• 2284[13:30:54] <spacedust> but i didnt notice this error until recently
• 2285[13:31:13] <spacedust> my /boot mounts fine its mounted even
• 2286[13:31:17] <spacedust> maybe thats the problem ?
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• 2288[13:32:09] <inigo> anyway, in your case, maybe an update-initramfs -u, could have been ok, for the next time
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• 2290[13:32:33] <inigo> I don't think that /noot being mounted is a problem, it never was
• 2291[13:32:41] <inigo> err /boot
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• 2294[13:33:29] <inigo> do you have the errors around? do you mind to put them in pastebin?
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• 2296[13:33:49] <spacedust> inigo: i will try to pastebin it i currently dont have a connection to that box
• 2297[13:34:08] <spacedust> inigo: ill be back
• 2298[13:34:18] <inigo> replaced-url
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• 2319[13:45:01] <kolibri> Hello. I'm using a preseed.cfg file for an automatic debian 8.4 installation (with packer). Sometimes (it feels like the half of the builds), the installation process fails at the step "select and install software". Does anybody have a hint for me, why?. This is my preseed.cfg file: replaced-url
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• 2323[13:45:24] <spacedust> inigo: so i checked the problem is about dm-0 dm-1 dm-2 which are vgs
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• 2325[13:45:31] <spacedust> i have md2 as lvm
• 2326[13:45:45] <inigo> and md1 as /boot ?
• 2327[13:46:05] <inigo> that's so 199X... you can go with /boot inside the lvm
• 2328[13:46:21] <spacedust> i know but i dont want to :)
• 2329[13:46:25] <jelly> inigo: can, but this is more flexible
• 2330[13:46:30] <spacedust> inigo: md0 is /boot md1 is / and md2 is lvm
• 2331[13:46:37] <spacedust> yes as jelly says
• 2332[13:46:45] <spacedust> i dont want to bother with root inside lvm
• 2333[13:46:49] <inigo> ok ok, what about the errors?
• 2334[13:46:50] <spacedust> i know it works
• 2335[13:46:53] <spacedust> sec
• 2336[13:47:06] <jelly> / inside lvm is fine, /boot is better left outside
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• 2339[13:48:11] <spacedust> hmm well i use lvm just cause i give lvs to kvm and use them as raw with virtio
• 2340[13:48:15] <spacedust> thats the only reason i need lvm
• 2341[13:48:15] <inigo> I've had more problems by sepparated /boot's than by integrated ones, but sure, in the 90's I used sync mount for /boot
• 2342[13:48:25] <spacedust> so / can stay on its own partition from what i care :)
• 2343[13:48:40] <spacedust> what is sync mount ?
• 2344[13:48:41] <spacedust> replaced-url
• 2345[13:48:43] <spacedust> here are the errors
• 2346[13:48:47] <inigo> a non default ooption
• 2347[13:48:53] <inigo> default mounts are async
• 2348[13:49:14] <inigo> in /boot performance was not an issue for a server
• 2349[13:49:22] <spacedust> but i just realized that its complaining about the dm-0 which is inside the lvm which should not even care about :)
• 2350[13:49:27] <spacedust> why does it even care about those ?
• 2351[13:49:37] <spacedust> doesnt update-grub look at fstab ?
• 2352[13:49:50] <spacedust> also recently on another debian box , my desktop , which also has windows
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• 2355[13:50:04] <spacedust> somehow the grub boot went onto the windows disk :)
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• 2357[13:50:10] <spacedust> dunno how i managed to do that :)
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• 2362[13:50:56] <inigo> mmm it seems it's not loading the ext4 module ?
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• 2364[13:51:48] <inigo> are you drop to a rescue shell or something?
• 2365[13:51:52] <spacedust> inigo: no its trying to mount /dev/dm-0 which is an lvm !
• 2366[13:52:06] <spacedust> inigo: my md0-1 are ext4 and are mounted accordinly
• 2367[13:52:16] <inigo> then maybe fstab is wrong ? or do you use any root= boot param?
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• 2370[13:53:15] <inigo> I think tha's two points to review... something is trying to mount it... or it's a boot parameter, or it's a fstab issue (?)
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• 2381[13:55:48] <inigo> do you know howto look for it on your own? what files to look at, etc?
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• 2383[13:56:40] <terabit> iptables question replaced-url
• 2384[13:57:07] <terabit> for traffic destined to 172.16.10.250 it should just match/accept and stop processing more rules for that flow right?
• 2385[13:57:38] <inigo> mmm there is a -d in that line ?
• 2386[13:57:52] <inigo> and the next one does a -i
• 2387[13:57:56] <inigo> insert
• 2388[13:58:00] <inigo> that put's it up
• 2389[13:58:05] <inigo> is not the same than add
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• 2391[13:59:05] <inigo> o I sid nothing xD is -i eth0, not -I
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• 2393[13:59:26] <inigo> and -d is destination, is ok
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• 2395[13:59:29] <inigo> yes looks fine
• 2396[13:59:42] <inigo> accept all input to any port by policy, but looks fine
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• 2398[14:00:27] <terabit> err my bad/nvm
• 2399[14:00:39] <terabit> thought I was talking in a different channel
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• 2404[14:03:05] <inigo> your theory is ok, as soon as it matches, it stops, unless you see any -j RETURN around
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• 2453[14:29:50] <ozette> does debian have virtual desktops? how to access them
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• 2458[14:30:52] <nkuttler> ozette: depends on whichever gui you use
• 2459[14:30:58] <ozette> cinnamon
• 2460[14:31:11] <ozette> there's no ui like xfce?
• 2461[14:31:44] <nkuttler> xfce is packaged, you can just install it if you want to use it
• 2462[14:31:45] <ozette> i'd like to be able to click, instead of some key combination, is such a thing possible in cinnamon?
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• 2464[14:32:06] <ozette> but i like cinnamon better, just would like to have a workspace button
• 2465[14:32:31] <r6ku> ozette: there's probably a panel applet for that
• 2466[14:32:38] <towo^work> it is
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• 2468[14:33:08] <ozette> ah i found something bottom right
• 2469[14:33:14] <towo^work> ozette, replaced-url
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• 2471[14:33:19] <towo^work> so it looks then
• 2472[14:33:21] <ozette> can even see which windows are on the workspace, pretty cool
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• 2474[14:33:58] <ozette> towo^work: which app is that?
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• 2476[14:34:23] <ozette> i'd like to have that too actually
• 2477[14:34:34] <towo^work> workspace-switcher
• 2478[14:34:39] <towo^work> is an applet
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• 2482[14:37:16] <bumbar_> ldd doesnt find libstdc++.so.6 for some program, but it's installed
• 2483[14:37:25] <ozette> towo^work: oh well, can't really find it, wish it was builtin
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• 2485[14:37:40] <Iridos> I guess the lxpanel would also work with any wm?
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• 2488[14:38:01] <Iridos> bumbar_, for example?
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• 2494[14:38:44] <bumbar_> Iridos, replaced-url
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• 2498[14:40:03] <Iridos> that's your own binary
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• 2501[14:40:31] <Nik05> Does anoyne know if the security team patches samba today?
• 2502[14:40:45] <towo^work> ozzloy, you can download/install it with the applet administration from the systemsettings
• 2503[14:40:57] <Iridos> bumbar_, could be a version conflict... try that with --verbose
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• 2505[14:41:05] <towo^work> ozzloy, you would not ave anything to search
• 2506[14:41:12] <bumbar_> Iridos, LD_LIBRARY_PATH wasnt set properly, it's working now
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• 2509[14:41:32] <Iridos> it shouldn't be needed to be set for libstdc++
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• 2512[14:42:58] <Iridos> that's defined already in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu.conf ... so shouldn't need any LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable
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• 2634[15:33:57] <hassoon> yay
• 2635[15:34:19] <hassoon> i've upgrade my long-unused extensa5630g's debian wheezy to jessie
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• 2637[15:34:42] <hassoon> dunno if jessie works better with damaged graphic cards
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• 2639[15:35:33] <Iridos> oh yeah... it's as good as nosmoke.exe
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• 2641[15:35:51] <audomaniac> hello debian
• 2642[15:36:09] <audomaniac> how can i create audio playback like waves maxx audio while streaming on youtube?
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• 2644[15:36:54] <audomaniac> what things to download to create windows sound equalizet in the sound settings + audio equalizer for ALL audio that is being played in debian
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• 2655[15:42:22] <Iridos> as to the first, how should anyone here know what waves maxx audio is
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• 2662[15:44:15] <Iridos> as to the 2nd... I just see pulse should be able to do that
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• 2667[15:46:09] <Iridos> replaced-url
• 2668[15:46:18] <Iridos> hm. seems to be crappy code, though
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• 2672[15:47:16] <Iridos> there's no qpaeq binary, though
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• 2686[15:54:17] <Iridos> audomaniac, on jessie, if you use the instructions and pacl commands from the arch site... you can get a python qpaeq.py from replaced-url
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• 2688[15:54:45] <Iridos> that seems to work pretty neatly here
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• 2701[16:00:26] <sanotehu> if I'm inside the debian installer and change to another tty to get CLI and then try to mount a USB drive for some debugging... any reason why that wouldn't work?
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• 2717[16:07:57] <audomaniac> pulse audio what packages do I need to install for it for bass / trebble / virtual surround / headphone equalizer in the debian packages?
• 2718[16:08:11] <toruvinn> sanotehu, would be probably better to mkdir /mymnt/ and mount it there. unless it's sdd1 that "does not exist". ;-p
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• 2766[16:25:14] <aricz> Hi, anyone had `bluetoothctl` freezing? Or know how to fix it..
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• 2772[16:25:50] <aricz> Can't write anything.. no nothing.. it starts, gives prompt.. and that's it
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• 2776[16:26:46] <teraflops> aricz: then look at the logs
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• 2783[16:30:14] <Kartagis> if I've got a dedi debian box and making VMs, should I enter the dedi's IP as nameserver or provider's specified nameservers?
• 2784[16:30:15] <aricz> any specific log I should take a look at?
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• 2794[16:34:46] <teraflops> aricz: journalctl, systemctl status bluetooth, perhaps dmesg.
• 2795[16:36:03] <ksk> Kartagis: if theres a nameserver running on that dedi you can use it, sure. But in general use whatever DNS you like inside a box
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• 2807[16:39:02] <Kartagis> argh!
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• 2809[16:39:21] <Kartagis> I keep getting bad archive mirror
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• 2820[16:44:07] <karlpinc> Kartagis: Consider using unbound for a caching recursive resolver.
• 2821[16:44:13] <sanotehu> toruvinn: yeah I tried making other directories within /mnt/ and within / and the same thing
• 2822[16:44:22] <sanotehu> both sdd1 and the directories I'm trying to mount to exist
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• 2824[16:44:29] <Kartagis> karlpinc: meaning?
• 2825[16:44:30] <sanotehu> which is why I'm thoroughly confused
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• 2827[16:45:02] <karlpinc> Kartagis: Consider running unbound on the debian box, and pointing the VMs to it.
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• 2830[16:45:34] <Kartagis> oh, I take it unbound is a package then
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• 2832[16:45:41] <karlpinc> sanotehu: You'd have to give us the command you're typing and the exact errror you get.
• 2833[16:46:00] <karlpinc> Kartagis: Package/FOSS project.
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• 2837[16:46:38] <tga> hello, I'm looking for a way to set up shortcuts for switching to a given application. any ideas?
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• 2840[16:47:43] <karlpinc> tga: Run each app in a separate viewport or workspace and use the window manager's shortcuts to switch between them?
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• 2846[16:49:43] <tga> karlpinc: that's what I do on my laptop, but on a big screen I want to have all windows on the same screen
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• 2849[16:50:19] <sativouf> tga: wmctrl
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• 2854[16:51:21] <sanotehu> karlpinc: `mount /dev/sdd1 /mnt/tmp` yields the error "mount: mounting /dev/sdd1 on /mnt/tmp failed: No such file or directory"
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• 2856[16:51:42] <tga> sativouf: sweet, just what I needed, thanks!
• 2857[16:51:58] <sanotehu> might just be something weird with busybox inside the debian installer
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• 2859[16:52:15] <sanotehu> I booted an arch linux usb installation and I can mount the device fine
• 2860[16:52:28] <seeother> hi all
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• 2864[16:53:18] <seeother> i have trouble with wifi on my debian box
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• 2866[16:54:18] <seeother> network controller is realtek rtl8191seva
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• 2868[16:54:44] <seeother> rfkill says that device is soft blocked
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• 2871[16:55:07] <seeother> rfkill unblock wifi; rfkill unblock all has no effect
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• 2873[16:55:19] <seeother> can anyone help me?
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• 2887[17:00:16] <somiaj> seeother: have you checked dmesg? Any errors pop up? Do you have the firmware for that card installed?
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• 2900[17:02:56] <seeother> somiaj: dmesg show no errors and ends with messages about rtl8192sefw.bin being loaded into memory
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• 2906[17:03:58] <karlpinc> sanotehu: What's the filesystem on /dev/sdd1?
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• 2910[17:04:52] <sanotehu> karlpinc: ext2
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• 2949[17:22:36] <Kartagis> why am I getting Bad archive mirror no matter what mirror I try?
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• 2953[17:22:58] <somiaj> Kartagis: you you using squeeze?
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• 2955[17:23:21] <somiaj> Kartagis: or better yet, what version of debian?
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• 2957[17:23:27] <Kartagis> somiaj: on the host, or guest?
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• 2960[17:23:39] <somiaj> Kartagis: whatever install is complaining about the bad mirrors
• 2961[17:23:54] <somiaj> i.e. what mirrors are you requesting
• 2962[17:24:20] <Kartagis> Debian 8, and it's squeeze I think
• 2963[17:24:25] <Kartagis> no, jessie
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• 2965[17:24:40] <Kartagis> yeah, jessie
• 2966[17:24:43] <somiaj> okay, squeeze just no longer lives on the mirrors, oldoldstable isn't supported
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• 2968[17:25:14] <somiaj> as for jessie, could it be a networking issue that all of your traffict is getting redirected to some authentication computer for your network and thus not a proper mirror (hence bad)
• 2969[17:25:26] <Kartagis> virt-install --name topkapi --ram 8192 --disk path=vm/topkapi.qcow2,size=500 --vcpus 1 --os-type linux --os-variant generic --network bridge=br0 --graphics none --console pty,target_type=serial --location 'replaced-url
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• 2973[17:26:03] <Kartagis> I can ping the guest from the host, if that matters
• 2974[17:26:14] <somiaj> I'm takling about your outside network.
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• 2977[17:26:38] <Kartagis> not from the outside though
• 2978[17:26:40] <somiaj> i.e. is your network set up so a bridge is actually what you want, beacuse if you need authentication on your network, this is like another computer on it
• 2979[17:27:05] <somiaj> maybe you want to use some virtual network and let NAT share the network of the host.
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• 2981[17:27:36] <somiaj> (just a guess, but it is one thing that could cause it is if the guest doesn't have proper network access/bad nameserver not giving corret ips/routes/etc)
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• 2986[17:29:51] <ChunkzZ> is there a way to install lxqt on a raspberry pi with debian jessie?
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• 2988[17:30:06] <ChunkzZ> the backports jessie isn't reconized
• 2989[17:30:19] <ChunkzZ> can anyone help?
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• 2995[17:31:46] <somiaj> ChunkzZ: are you really running jessie on the pi and not raspbian?
• 2996[17:32:03] <somiaj> ChunkzZ: you could add jessie-backport sources if so
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• 3000[17:35:29] <ChunkzZ> somiaj, I added jessie backports but it said it wasn't found
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• 3002[17:35:56] <ChunkzZ> I was using osmc, does that matter?
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• 3004[17:36:10] <ChunkzZ> will try normal jessie with armfh
• 3005[17:36:12] <ChunkzZ> thanks.
• 3006[17:36:18] <ChunkzZ> will jessie backports work?
• 3007[17:36:23] <ChunkzZ> somiaj, ^
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• 3010[17:36:53] <ChunkzZ> I added the lxqt jessie backports but it said it wasn't found
• 3011[17:37:01] <ChunkzZ> do I just need to add jessie backports?
• 3012[17:37:13] <ChunkzZ> and install through backports?
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• 3014[17:37:19] <rozie> I doubt lxqt is present on bacports
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• 3016[17:37:34] <ChunkzZ> it is but not sure on arm
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• 3019[17:38:06] <rozie> replaced-url
• 3020[17:38:07] <jhutchins> ,v lxqt
• 3021[17:38:08] <judd> Package: lxqt on amd64 -- sid: 4; stretch: 4
• 3022[17:38:16] <rozie> returns empty set
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• 3024[17:38:46] <rozie> ChunkzZ: if it's desktop, get unstable
• 3025[17:38:57] <ChunkzZ> it's my raspberry pi
• 3026[17:39:06] <rozie> if unstable is out of question, use LXDE
• 3027[17:39:18] <rozie> I'm using it on both unstable and stable
• 3028[17:39:28] <ChunkzZ> I ran lxqt from jessie backports on a vm inside my win10 machine
• 3029[17:40:01] <ChunkzZ> replaced-url
• 3030[17:40:25] <ChunkzZ> but when I do that inside sources.list on my pi, it's not found.
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• 3032[17:40:46] <rozie> well, these are not backports
• 3033[17:40:53] <rozie> this is 3rd party repo
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• 3036[17:41:14] <ChunkzZ> okay. can you tell me how to get it working on my pi2, lxqt?
• 3037[17:41:20] <ChunkzZ> that's all I need to know! :p
• 3038[17:41:24] <rozie> ChunkzZ: you probably missed "This wiki is a support and documentation resource for the Debian project. It is editable by everyone and we need your contributions to make it better."
• 3039[17:41:41] <ChunkzZ> rozie, ^
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• 3041[17:42:06] <rozie> if you really need it, try to compile from source
• 3042[17:42:13] <ChunkzZ> too much hassle
• 3043[17:42:24] <rozie> stick to lxde, then
• 3044[17:42:27] <ChunkzZ> does jessie backports work on the pi 2?
• 3045[17:42:34] <ChunkzZ> or unstable
• 3046[17:42:43] <ChunkzZ> anything that'll get my lxqt on my pi 2....
• 3047[17:42:49] <rozie> and I'm installing lxqt on my destktop right now
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• 3049[17:43:01] <ChunkzZ> yeah, that's not my question though.
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• 3051[17:43:08] <rozie> I guess going unstable is the easiest way
• 3052[17:43:28] <ChunkzZ> you're not answering my questions -.-
• 3053[17:43:40] <ChunkzZ> <ChunkzZ> does jessie backports work on the pi 2?
• 3054[17:43:40] <ChunkzZ> <ChunkzZ> or unstable
• 3055[17:43:40] <ChunkzZ> <ChunkzZ> anything that'll get my lxqt on my pi 2....
• 3056[17:44:05] <ChunkzZ> that's all I need to know......
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• 3060[17:44:14] <rozie> well, you can check yourself
• 3061[17:44:20] <ChunkzZ> I can't
• 3062[17:44:25] <ChunkzZ> hence why i'm asking here...
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• 3066[17:44:53] <rozie> if it's Debian on your rpi2 and architecture is supported by backports - it should work
• 3067[17:45:09] <rozie> same with unstable (read about unstable)
• 3068[17:45:09] <ChunkzZ> where do I find that info?
• 3069[17:45:26] <rozie> which one?
• 3070[17:45:41] <ChunkzZ> found it, thanks.
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• 3086[17:51:53] <siloxid> how can I disable the auto-brightness adjust? it makes my screen change brightness several shades every 1-2 seconds
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• 3106[18:00:45] <wizkid057> from wheezy->jessie, was there some change to ssh remote port forwards?
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• 3127[18:08:51] <beardyname> Sup! I'm using latest hplip available in repo, however the scans turn out a bit blueish and they don't do that on windows using (as far as i can tell) the same settings regarding filetype and resolution
• 3128[18:09:09] <beardyname> Anyone got any experience with scanners acting up?
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• 3136[18:11:19] <Iridos> judd, versions hplib
• 3137[18:11:21] <judd> No package named 'hplib' was found in amd64.
• 3138[18:11:28] <Iridos> judd, versions hplip
• 3139[18:11:30] <judd> Package: hplip on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.10.6-2+squeeze2; squeeze: 3.10.6-2+squeeze2; wheezy: 3.12.6-3.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 3.12.6-3.1+deb7u1; jessie: 3.14.6-1+b2; jessie-backports: 3.16.3+repack0-1~bpo8+1; sid: 3.16.3+repack0-1; stretch: 3.16.3+repack0-1
• 3140[18:12:21] <Iridos> beardyname, as you mention versions... have you compared them? there's a 3.16.3 in jessie-backports
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• 3142[18:12:41] <Iridos> although... that shouldn't really do anything
• 3143[18:12:47] <beardyname> Iridos, I have not, I used use the latest available
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• 3147[18:13:38] <Iridos> but the point of debian stable is, that it doesn't add new bugs all the time and you can keep working without having to care about new bugs turning up
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• 3151[18:14:09] <Iridos> as a consequence, there are never any new versions in stable until the next release of debian (every 2-3 years)
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• 3155[18:15:08] <beardyname> makes no sens to me why they would turn out blueish :/
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• 3158[18:15:19] <beardyname> I wonder if it has to do with brightness/contrast and whatnot
• 3159[18:15:28] <beardyname> not sure there is an "auto"
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• 3161[18:15:36] <beardyname> think it's a fixed number
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• 3173[18:19:25] <Iridos> this is together with sane, I gues
• 3174[18:19:31] <beardyname> correct
• 3175[18:19:41] <Iridos> but tracker doesn't seem to have anything like that
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• 3227[18:40:43] <jhutchins> beardyname: I would recommend xsane - it has color adjustments.
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• 3232[18:42:01] <Kartagis> how do I know the HTTP proxy information values to access the outside world?
• 3233[18:42:47] <zykotick9> i can't seem to connect to OFTC replaced-url
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• 3240[18:45:57] <jhutchins> zykotick9: address = "irc.oftc.net"; chatnet = "oftc"; port = "6697"; use_ssl = "yes"; ssl_verify = "no"; autoconnect = "yes"; password =
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• 3253[18:52:44] <beardyname> jhutchins, I'll try that if hp-scan turns out to be the same
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• 3255[18:53:09] <Iridos> Kartagis, if you need any, from whoever gives you your internet
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• 3259[18:54:44] <beardyname> bah
• 3260[18:54:48] <beardyname> it turns out great
• 3261[18:54:52] <beardyname> and at a much smaller size
• 3262[18:54:58] <beardyname> without me even fiddling with the params
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• 3264[18:56:04] <Iridos> so what was the magick
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• 3270[18:57:40] <faisjdasjdas> guys there is a problem i have with installing tar gz source code
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• 3274[18:58:06] <faisjdasjdas> i know ur supposed to type sudo make and sudo make install but what if i get an error after typing sudo make
• 3275[18:58:21] <faisjdasjdas> and also how do i stop segmentation faults in the software i use
• 3276[18:58:46] <faisjdasjdas> come on
• 3277[18:59:12] <faisjdasjdas> i get a compilation error after typing sudo make
• 3278[18:59:13] <Iridos> you're not really supposeed to run make as root... nor to just install stuff into your system with make install...
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• 3280[18:59:23] <beardyname> Iridos, scanning with hp-scan instead :/
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• 3282[18:59:30] <Iridos> you're also cleaning your car with sandpaper, right?
• 3283[18:59:55] <faisjdasjdas> well i saw on linux stack exchange to type sudo make && sudo make install
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• 3285[19:00:14] <Iridos> I found some advice on the internets that cleaning a car with sandpaper makes it shiny
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• 3287[19:00:27] <beardyname> well if its fine enough :)
• 3288[19:00:31] <beardyname> polish that metal
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• 3292[19:01:15] <jmcnaught> faisjdasjdas: read the INSTALL and/or README files that came with the tarball. You shouldn't need to be root to compile software. If you're having this much trouble, consider sticking to Debian packages until you learn more.
• 3293[19:01:19] <Iridos> but I got an out-of-varnish error :(
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• 3295[19:01:42] <beardyname> damn it pisses me of that i didn't think of using this sooner
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• 3297[19:01:56] <beardyname> have been playing around with that other thing in ages
• 3298[19:01:58] <Iridos> faisjdasjdas, what software is that anyway
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• 3300[19:02:02] <beardyname> and now it "just works"
• 3301[19:02:46] <Iridos> yeah... always annoying when stuff works
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• 3304[19:03:03] <beardyname> when for some reason the same driver works better in another program?
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• 3307[19:03:07] <beardyname> than yes :P
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• 3312[19:03:33] <beardyname> oops spoke to soon
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• 3315[19:03:46] <beardyname> scanning an image with much more colours in them makes it blue
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• 3320[19:04:55] <malinus> Hello. I have an embedded device with debian installed on it. It doesn't have usb/ethernet etc (so no connection to internet). Is there an easier way to download the packages I need (or rather, their dependencies), then browsing replaced-url
• 3321[19:05:10] *** Joins: vaidik (~vaidik@replaced-ip)
• 3322[19:05:13] <faisjdasjdas> sudo apt -get install
• 3323[19:05:14] <jhutchins> !apt-offline
• 3324[19:05:14] <dpkg> To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read replaced-url
• 3325[19:05:29] <Ghost_r00t> colo-work: Thanks mate
• 3326[19:05:30] <jhutchins> malinus: See above.
• 3327[19:05:45] <faisjdasjdas> why not just connect the internet to it
• 3328[19:05:54] <malinus> I can't, no usb/ethernet.
• 3329[19:06:03] <faisjdasjdas> .
• 3330[19:06:16] <jhutchins> beardyname: So it's doing some kind of automatic color balance/correction, which should be configurable.
• 3331[19:06:20] <malinus> jhutchins: it's down. but thanks
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• 3333[19:06:35] <faisjdasjdas> dependenceis are a pain in the anus
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• 3338[19:07:14] <faisjdasjdas> can gcc do makefiles or can only make do that
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• 3342[19:07:32] <jhutchins> malinus: Our bot is sadly in need of some maintenance.
• 3343[19:07:34] <beardyname> guess i gotta try going down that path again
• 3344[19:07:36] <jhutchins> malinus: Try replaced-url
• 3345[19:07:42] <Iridos> malinus, no, it's gone... the rest of the factoid should be good, though
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• 3348[19:08:18] <somiaj> faisjdasjdas: what do you mean by do makefiles?
• 3349[19:08:29] <Iridos> jhutchins, that url looks actually as if we could use it, at least for a while
• 3350[19:08:30] <faisjdasjdas> i mean can it execute the code within the makefile
• 3351[19:08:34] <beardy> o_O
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• 3354[19:08:38] <GeiserIC> Remind me, which is the Debian IRC bot?
• 3355[19:08:40] <malinus> yeah I could google apt-offline, I was just pointing out it was down. But thanks
• 3356[19:08:48] <faisjdasjdas> or do the same as the make command
• 3357[19:09:13] <somiaj> faisjdasjdas: no they do different things. What are you trying to achive?
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• 3359[19:09:38] <GeiserIC> !help
• 3360[19:09:42] <jhutchins> faisjdasjdas: It sounds like you might want to do some reading on the general topic of software building in Linux.
• 3361[19:09:48] <somiaj> dselect: ping
• 3362[19:09:49] <dselect> Yes, somiaj, you are online.
• 3363[19:09:53] <faisjdasjdas> Im trying to compile and install a package but i get problems with the make
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• 3366[19:10:09] <faisjdasjdas> i get an error after 10 minutes of compiling annoying af
• 3367[19:10:10] <jhutchins> faisjdasjdas: If the package doesn't have instructions in an INSTALL or README file, you probably should reconsider whether you want to trust it with your machine.
• 3368[19:10:24] <somiaj> dselect is a backup of the dpkg factoid database that can be used if dpkg is not responding.
• 3369[19:10:24] <dselect> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, somiaj
• 3370[19:10:47] <jhutchins> faisjdasjdas: It's quite possible the software doesn't work. You also don't mention running configure, or make configure, so that's another possibility.
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• 3372[19:10:57] <Iridos> dpkg, apt offline
• 3373[19:10:57] <dpkg> To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read replaced-url
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• 3376[19:11:14] <jhutchins> Iridos: Thanks.
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• 3378[19:11:22] <Iridos> :)
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• 3380[19:11:43] <faisjdasjdas> the software works ok
• 3381[19:11:50] <somiaj> faisjdasjdas: also not all software can be compiled on the libs provided by jessie. I would figure out why it is breaking and read the documentation for the software.
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• 3385[19:12:50] <faisjdasjdas> what was the point of jessie? wheezy worked great but jessie is nothing but problems
• 3386[19:13:32] <kyle__> rpowell1: /join #kernelnewbies
• 3387[19:13:37] <kyle__> Errrr
• 3388[19:13:44] <faisjdasjdas> and it uses system d also
• 3389[19:13:45] <jhutchins> faisjdasjdas: How can you say it works ok when you haven't gotten it to build yet?
• 3390[19:13:51] <faisjdasjdas> what was with system v
• 3391[19:13:59] <faisjdasjdas> it used to have system v what was wrong with that
• 3392[19:14:07] <faisjdasjdas> because i use an older version
• 3393[19:14:09] <somiaj> faisjdasjdas: what do you mean? Jessie works just fine here? Also what software are you trying to build for jessie. You have given us little info except 'doesn't work'
• 3394[19:14:09] <faisjdasjdas> of it
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• 3396[19:14:51] <faisjdasjdas> im trying to build netsurf 3,4
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• 3398[19:15:01] <faisjdasjdas> on the raspberry pi model b
• 3399[19:15:02] <Iridos> jhutchins, jessie is nothing but problems... said the guy who "installs" software with make;make install
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• 3402[19:15:50] <faisjdasjdas> at least on the raspberry pi debian jessie has segmentation faults constantly
• 3403[19:15:53] <kyle__> You can use jessie with sysv init as well.
• 3404[19:16:08] <faisjdasjdas> well actually not all applciations but just X constantly has segmentation faults
• 3405[19:16:19] <somiaj> faisjdasjdas: Any paticular reason the 3.2 version is not acceptable for you with netsurf
• 3406[19:16:27] <jhutchins> faisjdasjdas: The transition to systemd is a Linux-wide project, and there's a lot more to the discussion than can be covered here. At the very least, you'd want to check the mailing lists for what's been going on for the past several years.
• 3407[19:16:27] <somiaj> faisjdasjdas: also are you running jessie or raspbian on that pi?
• 3408[19:16:48] <faisjdasjdas> ok its raspbian jessie but thats like saying lubuntu isnt ubuntu
• 3409[19:16:51] <kyle__> Iridos: Building your own software shouldn't be a problem for any distro though. Maintainaing it as the system is upgraded is an exercise left up to the user, but there's nothing inherently wrong with building your own and installing, provided you install into the appropriate places (ie not /usr/bin/!)
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• 3415[19:17:16] <faisjdasjdas> what was wrong with system v though
• 3416[19:17:23] <faisjdasjdas> i mean it can be easily debugged
• 3417[19:17:26] <somiaj> faisjdasjdas: raspbian is not jessie, you are in the wrong place to get support. raspbian has modified jessie and things that would work in jessie may not work on raspbian. You should use raspbian support
• 3418[19:17:35] <Iridos> kyle__, ... which is most likely exactly what he does if he doesn't use any type of prefix
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• 3422[19:17:57] <faisjdasjdas> raspbian is jessie come on
• 3423[19:18:02] <somiaj> faisjdasjdas: I find systemd much easer to debug and to see the current state of my system. Go read up on the mailing lists and other reason why the switch. This is a conversation that has been talked to death.
• 3424[19:18:08] <kyle__> Iridos: Autoconf defaults to /usr/local/ You have to __try__ to make it install elsewhere. So the lazy aren't usually bitten by that
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• 3426[19:18:10] <faisjdasjdas> it just uses arm libraries instead of x86
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• 3428[19:18:26] <somiaj> faisjdasjdas: no raspbian is not jessie, it is a modified jessie. Debian dose not control or know about any modifications that raspbian has done
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• 3430[19:18:39] <somiaj> faisjdasjdas: there is a difference between raspbian (the modified jessie) and the jessie arm port.
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• 3434[19:18:53] <jhutchins> faisjdasjdas: It's also configured by people outside of the Debian project with different defaults and options. Applying advice that works for Debian could very well destroy the system.
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• 3436[19:19:03] <faisjdasjdas> then i'll destroy it and reinstall
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• 3439[19:19:30] <Iridos> kyle__, but he didn't mention any ./configure... I don't think I've not used a prefix for ages... still, I'm pretty sure I know software that does just go to /user
• 3440[19:19:44] <faisjdasjdas> there was no ./configure if i recall correctly
• 3441[19:19:49] <kyle__> jhutchins: The install is dding it to an SD card, so it's generally safe even if you fsck up.
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• 3443[19:19:59] <Iridos> kyle__, but I guess going to /usr/local by default would make a lot of sense in some ways
• 3444[19:20:09] * kyle__ nods
• 3445[19:20:10] <faisjdasjdas> so do u think it is raspbian developers fault not debian that it sucks
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• 3448[19:20:41] <jhutchins> !raspian
• 3449[19:20:41] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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• 3452[19:21:05] <faisjdasjdas> im sure u could help some it seems ur just trying to avoid helping
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• 3455[19:21:57] <faisjdasjdas> raspbian is just stripped down debian but on the technical level it is the same
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• 3457[19:22:07] <kyle__> faisjdasjdas: Most of us could help plenty if we felt like it. Goading people into it is not a good way of getting people to feel like it.
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• 3459[19:22:20] <somiaj> faisjdasjdas: I think if you are using raspbian but are following advise and installing packages from jessie, it is your fault because you are mixing things that have not been designed or tested to work together.
• 3460[19:22:32] <faisjdasjdas> im not
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• 3464[19:23:13] <faisjdasjdas> but if it was jesus that asked for help on raspbian
• 3465[19:23:16] <faisjdasjdas> wouldnt u help
• 3466[19:23:26] <somiaj> faisjdasjdas: actually that is false, on the technical level is where the differences are. Modified packages follow different policy, and so forth. They are different, don't think they are the same (they are similar and sometimes advise works, but we here will not assume what is the same and what is different)
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• 3469[19:23:41] <faisjdasjdas> ok well how do i debug the segmentation faults at least
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• 3471[19:23:50] <g00se> Have just done unthinkable (via scripting error): rm -rf /*. Will i get away with it?
• 3472[19:23:56] <faisjdasjdas> i get segfaults frequently
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• 3474[19:24:12] <Iridos> g00se, this is where you treasure backups?
• 3475[19:24:26] <jmcnaught> faisjdasjdas: you're not Jesus, and Jesus would respect the rules of this channel after they've been explained multiple times. Go get help in #raspbian
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• 3477[19:24:31] <g00se> Iridos. I ahve some, yes
• 3478[19:24:37] <somiaj> faisjdasjdas: you try to reproduce them. Identify exactly which program segfaults and reprocude it. Once you can reproduce it send a bugreport to raspbian. If the segfaults are random, it coudl be badhardware. A single bad memory byte can cause random segfaults.
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• 3480[19:25:00] <faisjdasjdas> it happens often but not too often
• 3481[19:25:23] <faisjdasjdas> i know that since arm computers are single chip it is different
• 3482[19:25:32] <g00se> But not really of app/OS stuff. Should i goin there with live rescue and do anything first?
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• 3485[19:26:24] <g00se> (I mean before trying to reboot for the first time)
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• 3488[19:26:44] <faisjdasjdas> pray to linus torvalds
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• 3490[19:27:01] <faisjdasjdas> how do i stop X from crashing
• 3491[19:27:16] <faisjdasjdas> i've noticed if i overclock it increases the rate of the segmentation faults
• 3492[19:27:32] <faisjdasjdas> but if i dont overclock it is so Sloreplaced-url
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• 3496[19:28:03] <faisjdasjdas> debian jessie team should
• 3497[19:28:20] <faisjdasjdas> debian developers should make a simple shell script that will downgrade to system v
• 3498[19:28:39] <faisjdasjdas> 'downgrade'
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• 3502[19:29:19] <faisjdasjdas> Guys im sorry for being a jerk just i would like help
• 3503[19:29:47] <Iridos> it's good to get advice from experts... we'll surely pass it on
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• 3506[19:29:56] <faisjdasjdas> iridos plz]
• 3507[19:30:04] <faisjdasjdas> on debian 9 can we plz not have system d
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• 3509[19:30:19] <faisjdasjdas> i am convinced the introduction of system d is why debian jessie sucks this d on the raspberry pi
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• 3514[19:31:13] <faisjdasjdas> could i easily fix this myself
• 3515[19:31:25] <zinx> faisjdasjdas: go for it
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• 3517[19:31:30] <faisjdasjdas> ok
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• 3519[19:31:43] <zinx> faisjdasjdas: also raspian is not debian
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• 3521[19:31:49] <somiaj> faisjdasjdas: Go get help in raspbian. See if they have advise for how to use sysvinit instead of systemd. Any advise from here may only break your system worse. You are not running debian.
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• 3526[19:32:37] <faisjdasjdas> my dad said it was debian though
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• 3528[19:32:59] <faisjdasjdas> somiaj just tell me what to do if u were on debian
• 3529[19:33:02] <somiaj> faisjdasjdas: also we are volunteers here helping people. It is frustrating to us when we are helping someone, we given them advise and it doesn't work because they are not running debian but some other modified debian so things don't work the same
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• 3531[19:33:30] <somiaj> faisjdasjdas: no, I will not give advise that could break your system. So please drop it.
• 3532[19:33:51] <faisjdasjdas> well u know what
• 3533[19:34:03] <zinx> faisjdasjdas: derivatives like raspian make changes that the folks here aren't aware of, and they often cause problems that don't exist on debian, or make it so following debian advice will render your system unusable
• 3534[19:34:05] <faisjdasjdas> there is no documentation for fuking raspbian at least in comparison to debian
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• 3540[19:34:57] <Iridos> yeah... I also always read to documentation for a BMW when I want to fix my VW
• 3541[19:35:11] <faisjdasjdas> well at the end of the day both bmw and vw have engines
• 3542[19:35:15] <Iridos> ... which I mostly seem to need to do after cleaning it with sandpaper
• 3543[19:35:23] <somiaj> Iridos: audi to vw might be a better comparsision, they do share a lot of common parts
• 3544[19:35:25] <jmcnaught> faisjdasjdas: there is information on installing real Debian to a Raspberry Pi. replaced-url
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• 3548[19:35:58] <faisjdasjdas> real debian though is slow
• 3549[19:36:05] <faisjdasjdas> because it uses soft float and not hard float
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• 3552[19:36:30] <somiaj> also note that only some raspberry pies can have pure jessie installed on them, (the ones that support arm v7). The ones that support arm v6 can't have jessie installed on them.
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• 3556[19:37:06] <Janos> hey there guys, got a question regarding systemd and jessie, where should I put my systemd service files ?
• 3557[19:37:16] <faisjdasjdas> dont
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• 3559[19:37:18] <somiaj> Janos: /etc/systemd/service
• 3560[19:37:19] <zinx> faisjdasjdas: armhf has hard floats
• 3561[19:37:21] <Iridos> somiaj, I'm not really going for precision here
• 3562[19:37:35] <somiaj> faisjdasjdas: please drop it or you will earn a quiet. Espcially if you get in the way of actual support questions.
• 3563[19:37:35] <faisjdasjdas> soimaj just tell what u would do in debian
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• 3567[19:37:59] <somiaj> Janos: arg /etc/systemd/system/
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• 3571[19:38:04] <epsilon> Janos: and /lib/systemd/
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• 3573[19:38:25] <jelly> faisjdasjdas: please respect our choice of supporting just debian. Ask in #raspbian and any user willing to help you can join there as well.
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• 3576[19:38:34] <somiaj> Janos: note any service file in /etc/sysetmd/system is read before the sysetm ones at /lib/systemd so if you wanted to modify a unit file provided by debian, put and modify your copy in etc
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• 3578[19:38:42] <jmcnaught> epsilon: no, that is where packages put units, you should put your units in /etc/systemd
• 3579[19:38:50] <somiaj> epsilon: users should not be putting any files in /lib/systemd
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• 3581[19:39:03] <jmcnaught> also there's ~/.config/systemd/user/ for users to put their own units
• 3582[19:39:05] <linuxfool> Can someone tell me where the xset or dpms config file is? I change my dpms settings to turn off the screen instead of blanking but after I wake up my computer after suspend dpms has reverted back to blanking.
• 3583[19:39:45] <somiaj> linuxfool: xset is a tool to modify xsettings on the fly, I don't htink it has a config for defaults. These can be put in your xorg.conf file I belive
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• 3585[19:40:09] <somiaj> linuxfool: or more modern approach is a config snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
• 3586[19:40:43] <linuxfool> thanks somiaj
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• 3591[19:42:22] <linuxfool> somiaj: I went to that directory and don't see that file anywhere
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• 3609[19:47:31] <sikwel> hi, it seems there is a problem with konqueror on debian... when i close it, konqueror stays in background... my konqueror hasn't preload (zero preload), i don't understand...
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• 3611[19:47:34] <Janos> ok so, if i have something that's not part of debian that i want to start, /etc/systemd/system, and also if there is a user associated with it, ~/.config/systemd/user is good too
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• 3616[19:47:51] <Janos> another question, what's /etc/systemd/user for ?
• 3617[19:47:52] <FatB0yy> Hi
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• 3620[19:48:32] <sikwel> i'm using konqueror 4.14.14 on debian gnu/linux testing amd64
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• 3622[19:48:44] <FatB0yy> I installed Jessie on my pi 2 and added backports. How do I install lxqt?
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• 3624[19:49:06] <b0xii> i see a trend
• 3625[19:49:28] <FatB0yy> Anyone?
• 3626[19:49:38] <jmcnaught> Janos: the paths you can put units in are covered in the systemd.unit(5) man page
• 3627[19:49:38] <greycat> ,v lxqt
• 3628[19:49:39] <judd> Package: lxqt on amd64 -- sid: 4; stretch: 4
• 3629[19:49:46] <sikwel> FatB0yy: it doesn't exist: replaced-url
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• 3631[19:49:48] <greycat> There isn't a backport of lxqt apparently.
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• 3634[19:50:18] <FatB0yy> What about testing on my pi 2?:-)
• 3635[19:50:20] <Filystyn> wanted to ask why my mause is not working and
• 3636[19:50:23] <greycat> So your choices would be (1) upgrade to testing, (2) install it locally yourself without using .deb packages, (3) do without
• 3637[19:50:23] <Filystyn> it repaired it self
• 3638[19:50:24] <Filystyn> hehe
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• 3640[19:50:26] <somiaj> linuxfool: by default there will be no xorg.conf (as things are automatically detected). YOu can add one that only contains the config options needed to achive your goal (I'm unsure what options are needed to disable the automatic screen blanking in xorg.conf, I just belive that is where it is done)
• 3641[19:50:26] <Filystyn> thx guys
• 3642[19:50:29] <sikwel> lxde is there
• 3643[19:50:34] <Filystyn> seems my ban went of lol
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• 3645[19:50:52] <somiaj> linuxfool: you could also use your destkop/windowmanager startup scripts to run the 'xset command' to disable it as an autostart program
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• 3647[19:50:55] <FatB0yy> sikwel: can I add testing?
• 3648[19:51:01] <jelly> sikwel: it doesn't _pre_load, but once it's loaded it probably stays there
• 3649[19:51:03] <greycat> FatB0yy: /msg dpkg testing
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• 3651[19:51:15] <Filystyn>
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• 3653[19:51:34] <sikwel> FatB0yy: i don't know, what's the problem?
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• 3655[19:51:44] <Filystyn> no it is still broken
• 3656[19:51:49] <Filystyn> t just randomly works now ;-(
• 3657[19:51:56] <Filystyn> so i NEED HELP in the end
• 3658[19:52:06] <Janos> jmcnaught, thanks a log, reading up
• 3659[19:52:14] <Filystyn> ANYONE?!
• 3660[19:52:14] <greycat> linuxfool: you wanted to adjust the monitor going to sleep? There's also an xset command for it.
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• 3665[19:52:32] <jmcnaught> Filystyn: patience
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• 3667[19:52:35] <jmd> How do I get to see gtk+ debug symbols in gdb? Someone told me that simply installing libgtk-3-0-dbg should do the trick. Sadly that alone doesn't work.
• 3668[19:52:40] <Filystyn> I am PATIENT but this is SERIOUS
• 3669[19:52:44] <sikwel> jelly: i don't know, but that happens when i close it, it's normal? how can i close it?
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• 3673[19:52:57] <greycat> I have "xset s off; xset dpms 0 1800 0" in my ~/.xsession but you would have to look up what those do. I can't remember.
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• 3675[19:53:30] <jelly> sikwel: well, you don't. You can «pkill konqueror» if the background process irks you
• 3676[19:53:34] <sikwel> that doesn't happen always, sometimes...
• 3677[19:53:38] <Filystyn> well than!?
• 3678[19:53:39] <jmcnaught> Filystyn: try a different mouse. try the same mouse on a different computer. clean your dirty mouse.
• 3679[19:53:43] <Filystyn> I tried
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• 3681[19:53:48] <Filystyn> moause and touch pad same problem
• 3682[19:53:54] <Filystyn> this is system problem
• 3683[19:53:59] <Filystyn> how to fix this?
• 3684[19:54:09] <Filystyn> only left mause button is broken
• 3685[19:54:10] <somiaj> linuxfool: greycat it just disabling with .xsession before running the wm/desktop. Many ways to do it.
• 3686[19:54:10] <sikwel> jelly: when i kill the process, when i reopen konqueror, it recover my past session...
• 3687[19:54:22] <sikwel> jelly: it seems a bug...
• 3688[19:54:44] <GeiserIC> Filystyn: Are you sure it isn't a hardware problem?
• 3689[19:54:44] <Filystyn> and now my mause is completly BROKEN
• 3690[19:54:47] <Filystyn> IT IS NOT
• 3691[19:54:57] <Filystyn> HOW can i EVEN check it.
• 3692[19:55:08] <GeiserIC> Use the mouse on another computer
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• 3694[19:55:12] <somiaj> linuxfool: that may not work if you use a display manager and a specific session when loading xorg.
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• 3696[19:55:17] <Filystyn> this mause works on other computer
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• 3698[19:55:36] <GeiserIC> OK, perhaps you have remapped the mouse keys?
• 3699[19:55:37] <Filystyn> i said same thing with touchpad
• 3700[19:55:42] <jelly> sikwel: hm, are you using kde as DE or some other wm or de?
• 3701[19:55:44] <Filystyn> ok how to check it!
• 3702[19:55:48] <GeiserIC> Is there a file like ~/.Xmodmap?
• 3703[19:55:53] <Filystyn> jus a sec
• 3704[19:55:56] <sikwel> jeddi: KDE plasma desktop
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• 3706[19:56:01] <GeiserIC> You could use that to try another key
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• 3709[19:56:11] <sikwel> jelly: kde plasma desktop
• 3710[19:56:15] <sikwel> sorry jeddi
• 3711[19:56:22] <linuxfool> greycat: I'd like to adjust so that the monitor turns off instead of blanking
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• 3713[19:56:46] <Filystyn> seems it is empty
• 3714[19:56:52] <greycat> linuxfool: well, good luck. See if it's "man xset". Otherwise, see if it's in "man X" or something, I dunno.
• 3715[19:56:52] <jelly> sikwel: no idea then, kde ought to know how to deal with konqueror. I'd bet this was normal behaviour.
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• 3719[19:57:14] <Filystyn> nano opened empty file
• 3720[19:57:17] <sikwel> jelly: ok, thanks anyway
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• 3722[19:57:30] <greycat> Filystyn: when you're checking for the existence of a file, use ls instead of nano
• 3723[19:57:31] <Filystyn> and now mause works
• 3724[19:57:43] <Filystyn> and touch pad
• 3725[19:57:51] <Filystyn> hwo coudl it be hardware problem?
• 3726[19:57:57] <greycat> Filystyn: intermittent problems like that sound very much like hardware problems
• 3727[19:58:02] <Filystyn> ok
• 3728[19:58:05] <greycat> Loose wire, etc.
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• 3730[19:58:17] <Filystyn> mmm should i open thsi laptop?
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• 3732[19:58:22] <Filystyn> and check if all shit is connected
• 3733[19:58:27] <Filystyn> ???
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• 3736[19:58:36] <greycat> Only if you're experienced with computer hardware repairs.
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• 3738[19:58:48] <Filystyn> i have no expirance.
• 3739[19:58:50] <Filystyn> Still gona do it
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• 3744[19:59:17] <Filystyn> thsose are just screws and cables!
• 3745[19:59:50] <wewlad> hello debs, I'm running debian in a virtual box under win7, from time to time I get issues with cursor: it stops properly working inside the Debian VM, how to debug this? maybe there's a process/daemon I could restart?
• 3746[19:59:55] <siac> Filystyn: If you want to check files use 'cat` :)
• 3747[20:00:11] <greycat> siac: not wise, if the files could contain binary data
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• 3758[20:01:55] <siac> greycat: Is true, I do not consider that
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• 3760[20:02:18] <FatB0yy> Thanks
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• 3768[20:05:10] <wewlad> hello debs, I'm running debian in a virtual box under win7, from time to time I get issues with cursor: it stops properly working inside the Debian VM, how to debug this? maybe there's a process/daemon I could restart?
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• 3771[20:06:03] <greycat> By "cursor", do you mean the mouse pointer?
• 3772[20:06:35] <wewlad> yes
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• 3778[20:09:19] <dionysus69> my debian freezes when I connect android phone with it
• 3779[20:09:23] <dionysus69> what could be the reason?
• 3780[20:09:51] <greycat> wewlad: well, I don't know virtualbox, but it sounds like a virtualbox issue, so maybe someone who *does* know it can give suggestions
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• 3783[20:10:18] <Akuw> hi, i am getting Fatal error: Out of memory
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• 3785[20:10:34] <wewlad> greycat: but how to restart the mouse-related process/daemon in debian?
• 3786[20:10:36] <Akuw> actually server have 640 KB
• 3787[20:10:41] <wewlad> maybe this will help...
• 3788[20:10:43] <Akuw> is a VPS server
• 3789[20:11:00] <Akuw> i request server reboot, but the problem is back again
• 3790[20:11:12] <jmd> Akuw: You need to visit downloadmoreram.com
• 3791[20:11:14] <greycat> wewlad: if it's a virtualbox issue as I suspect, you would probably press some magical key combination in virtualbox to turn on some mouse thing.
• 3792[20:11:28] <nkuttler> Akuw: get more ram, or create a swap partition/file
• 3793[20:12:08] <greycat> Many VPSs don't allow swapping, at all.
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• 3795[20:12:22] <wewlad> greycat: there's a combination only for the case when 'mouse integration' mode is off
• 3796[20:12:28] <greycat> In those cases, your option is "use less memory".
• 3797[20:12:33] <wewlad> but switching on/off doesn't help
• 3798[20:12:52] <Akuw> actually only running apache and mysql
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• 3800[20:13:09] <Akuw> this happen after my linux update
• 3801[20:13:09] <greycat> wewlad: the only "mouse daemon" in Debian is X, if you're running X, or gpm if you're doing old school 1990s mouse-on-a-text-console stuff.
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• 3805[20:13:29] <wewlad> greycat: the cursor tracks mouse moves, but clicks get ignored, or get partially ignored (depends what area of screen it hovers)
• 3806[20:13:45] <greycat> Again, I do not know virtualbox.
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• 3808[20:13:56] <wewlad> greycat: I'm using kde, so yeah, probably x-server is running
• 3809[20:14:09] <Akuw> MemTotal: 614400 kB MemFree: 326896 kB
• 3810[20:14:09] <wewlad> can I safely restart it?
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• 3812[20:14:28] <zinx> you can probably restart it with the keyboard
• 3813[20:14:28] <greycat> Restarting X will kill your KDE session.
• 3814[20:14:38] <Iridos> wewlad, there isn't really such a daemon... the kernel gets the raw data, which you can see (for all mice together) with cat /dev/input/mice
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• 3816[20:14:47] <Iridos> wewlad, and then X reads that...
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• 3819[20:14:56] <wewlad> zinx: the keyboard works fine, but I don't know how to properly restart it
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• 3821[20:15:55] <wewlad> or at least tell me how to select text in 'nano' editor from keyboard...
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• 3823[20:17:04] <wewlad> or how to restart kde? maybe it will help, and this it will dissect the problem a bit
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• 3825[20:17:26] <greycat> Normally you restart KDE by logging out of it.
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• 3832[20:20:34] <wewlad> greycat: the 'start' (I don't know how that button is called, I hope you won't troll a lame windows user about that) button is not clickable now, how to log out using keyboard?
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• 3835[20:20:44] <greycat> I don't even know if Debian's default X configuration still uses the "Zap" key sequence (Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, was it?). I think that was done away with some time ago, but I don't really want to test it.
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• 3838[20:21:12] <wewlad> ctrl+alt+backspace did nothing
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• 3840[20:21:26] <greycat> I don't know how to properly log out of KDE with a keyboard. I don't use KDE. Don't you as a KDE user know how? Does it use the Windows style Ctrl-ESC to bring up the menu? Does the Menu key work?
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• 3845[20:22:05] <wewlad> ctrl+esc opens process manager
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• 3847[20:22:28] <markybob> service kdm restart sounds like an option
• 3848[20:22:38] <Iridos> dpkg, dontzap
• 3849[20:22:38] <dpkg> Since Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", terminating an X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace ("zapping") is disabled by default. To enable, run «dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium keyboard-configuration» and answer Yes when asked if Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can terminate the X server (or «setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp»).
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• 3851[20:22:50] <wewlad> markybob: but kdm is a DM, not the DE
• 3852[20:23:00] <Iridos> wewlad, ^^^ for enabling ctrl-alt-backspace to zap x
• 3853[20:23:01] <wewlad> and I need to restart DE, not DM, as far as I understand
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• 3855[20:23:15] <markybob> it would accomplish both
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• 3857[20:23:30] <greycat> Iridos: wouldn't you have to restart X after doing that, to make it take effect?
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• 3859[20:24:12] <malinus> Is CheckInstall usually recommended by debian (over not using it, not over installing trough the official repo)?
• 3860[20:24:19] <Iridos> sure... but if he's not in a shell, he's got to do that anyway... and if he's in a shell, killing Xorg does it neatly
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• 3864[20:24:35] <Iridos> and this is for possible future use
• 3865[20:24:41] <somiaj> malinus: there are various tools. I woudln't say any one is better/more recomended than the other
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• 3868[20:25:00] <somiaj> malinus: just follow policy (install non debian packages in /usr/locl and not /usr so there are not conflicts)
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• 3870[20:25:09] <malinus> okay, thanks
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• 3872[20:25:11] <somiaj> malinus: I personally like stow, but check-install alsow works.
• 3873[20:25:33] <wewlad> I did reconfigure that thing but ctrl+alt+backspace still does nothing
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• 3883[20:27:10] <wewlad> service kdm restart solved the issue with the pointer
• 3884[20:27:12] <wewlad> thanks
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• 3886[20:27:18] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 3889[20:27:51] <wewlad> greycat: oh, wait, you are right, I've set ctrl+alt as an escape sequence
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• 3894[20:29:09] <wewlad> eh, I've changed the host key to 'right winkey' and ctrl+alt+backspace still does nothing
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• 3897[20:29:26] <sly01> hi all how can I downgrade my system from jessie 8.4 to 8.3
• 3898[20:29:34] <greycat> !downgrade
• 3899[20:29:34] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
• 3900[20:29:44] <sly01> after updating jessie 8.4 my touchpad like mad
• 3901[20:29:49] <sly01> it doesnt work properly
• 3902[20:30:00] <sly01> is there a way to downgrade ?
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• 3904[20:30:07] <greycat> I wonder if this is related to the USB change in the kernel....
• 3905[20:30:11] <wewlad> when I reconfigured the keyboard-configuration I got this text twice:
• 3906[20:30:11] <wewlad> update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults
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• 3909[20:30:41] <teraflops> wewlad: harmless
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• 3911[20:31:04] <wewlad> mmkay, but ctrl+alt+backspace still does nothing
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• 3914[20:32:03] <greycat> sly01: you could, in theory, install the older linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 (or whatever) package. I don
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• 3916[20:32:09] <greycat> 't know whether that will help.
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• 3925[20:35:09] <sly01> I will try otherwise touchpad are going to make me crazy
• 3926[20:35:34] <sly01> When I go to customer site I disabled my touchpad since two days
• 3927[20:35:40] <sly01> and it get me slower
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• 3929[20:35:50] <teraflops> sly01: instead of downgrade fix it
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• 3933[20:36:15] <sly01> teraflops: Thats why I am here :)
• 3934[20:36:21] <teraflops> sly01: go create a working snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
• 3935[20:36:23] <hexnewbie> sly01: Also note that you won't get kernel updates, even security ones, if you downgrade the kernel. I switched to backports kernel when I started getting kernel panics with Debian 8.4
• 3936[20:36:31] <greycat> Fix what? All we have is "touchpad like mad" and "doesn't work properly". Not a single usable symptom description.
• 3937[20:36:41] <teraflops> greycat: yeah that too
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• 3941[20:37:05] <sly01> Let me explain in detail
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• 3943[20:37:10] <teraflops> sly01: thanks ....
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• 3947[20:38:14] <sly01> I got trackpoint and touchpad on my laptop which dell latitude e5550
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• 3949[20:38:36] <sly01> there is no issue about trackpoint everything is ok right and left click
• 3950[20:38:48] <sly01> but I cannot say for same thing for touchpad
• 3951[20:38:58] <sly01> right click is okey on touchpad
• 3952[20:39:09] <sly01> sory left click is okey
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• 3956[20:39:27] <sly01> but right click is doesnt work
• 3957[20:39:37] <hexnewbie> sly01: Right click with button, or right click with tap?
• 3958[20:39:40] <sly01> and also when I try scroll down or up
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• 3963[20:40:00] <sly01> right click with button
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• 3966[20:40:14] <sly01> right click tap working with two fingers
• 3967[20:40:23] <sly01> but it also doesnt work properly
• 3968[20:40:37] <hexnewbie> sly01: Open xev and see what xev reports when you press the button?
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• 3970[20:40:43] <teraflops> sly01: what model is it? as in synaptics or whatever
• 3971[20:40:46] <sly01> no action there
• 3972[20:40:53] <sly01> I tried in xev
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• 3974[20:41:19] <sly01> xinput list ⎡ Virtual core pointer id=2 [master pointer (3)] ⎜ ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer id=4 [slave pointer (2)] ⎜ ↳ AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint id=12 [slave pointer (2)] ⎜ ↳ ALPS PS/2 Device id=13 [slave pointer (2)]
• 3975[20:41:30] <sly01> sory
• 3976[20:41:37] <sly01> I will upload in gist
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• 3981[20:42:54] <sly01> here is the xinput list and kernel version
• 3982[20:42:54] <sly01> replaced-url
• 3983[20:42:59] <hexnewbie> sly01: Your old kernel is probably still in /var/cache/apt/archives, you could install it and give it a try to see if it's the kernel or xorg-input..
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• 3987[20:44:12] <sly01> hexnewbie: which one I should install
• 3988[20:44:12] <sly01> linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64_3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4_amd64.deb linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64_3.16.7-ckt25-1_amd64.deb linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64_3.16.7-ckt25-2_amd64.deb
• 3989[20:44:25] <sly01> hexnewbie: current Linux cukurova 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 3992[20:44:36] <greycat> Try them all one by one.
• 3993[20:44:46] <sly01> ok
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• 3996[20:45:49] <teraflops> sly01: I cannot see a touchpad there, is the ALPS PS/2 Device one?
• 3997[20:46:05] <sly01> teraflops: I think so
• 3998[20:46:14] <sly01> teraflops:
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• 4001[20:46:29] <sly01> teraflops: I will downgrade my kernel one step I will reboot my machine and come back
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• 4007[20:47:51] <teraflops> sly01: yeah that's the touchpad
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• 4019[20:50:56] <sly01> no luck guys
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• 4021[20:51:08] <sly01> I revert my kernel to Linux cukurova 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4 (2016-02-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 4022[20:51:30] <sly01> touchpad right click button doesnt work
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• 4026[20:52:41] <hexnewbie> sly01: So it doesn't seem from the kernel upgrade. Have you changed any configuration along the way? Also, check /var/log/apt/history.log and see if any of the updated packages seem to have anything to do with the touchpad.
• 4027[20:52:54] <teraflops> sly01: tried synclient and looked at TapButton* ?
• 4028[20:53:15] <hexnewbie> sly01: Also consider the possibility that the touchpad button may physically malfunctioned coincidentally
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• 4033[20:54:01] <DexterF> hi
• 4034[20:54:37] <DexterF> upgraded 7 to 8, just found that samba is not started, no current logfile is in /var/log/samba/
• 4035[20:54:39] <sly01> hexnewbie: I thought that but today I boot from win vista and It was working
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• 4037[20:55:10] <sly01> teraflops: TapButton1 = 1 TapButton2 = 3 TapButton3 = 2
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• 4039[20:55:20] <DexterF> aptitude shows one package "samba" as "c", so there's a config file but samba is uninstalled? how come?
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• 4041[20:55:46] <jelly> DexterF: what does "service smbd status" say? (put it on paste.debian.net)
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• 4043[20:56:46] <teraflops> sly01: TapButton2 = 3 means right button event for two fingers if i remember well
• 4044[20:57:01] <sly01> hexnewbie: I took a look but no specific package about touchpad
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• 4047[20:57:03] <DexterF> jelly, I installed "samba", now all is fine again
• 4048[20:57:12] <hexnewbie> sly01: Anything containing xorg-input in it?
• 4049[20:57:12] <DexterF> upgrade glitch maybe
• 4050[20:57:23] <hexnewbie> DexterF: Maybe samba wasn't manually installed
• 4051[20:57:28] <sly01> hexnewbie: No it is not
• 4052[20:57:39] <teraflops> DexterF: lucky you, you just needed to reinstall the service :P
• 4053[20:57:47] <hexnewbie> DexterF: When upgrading, apt tells you what is going to be removed. I always check those
• 4054[20:57:47] <jelly> DexterF: check your upgrade logs (if you ran the upgrade process inside script) for other stuff that got removed
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• 4060[20:58:26] <DexterF> jelly, yes, I used script. will review that then
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• 4062[20:59:35] <teraflops> sly01: also, do you have any snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d or any options related in xorg.conf (if any) ?
• 4063[21:00:31] <sly01> teraflops: I just checked there is no directory like that
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• 4066[21:01:42] <teraflops> sly01: you can create it and drop there a proper configuration, or you can try with some of the graphical interfaces for configuring the touchpad I suppose
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• 4074[21:02:48] <sly01> teraflops: Is there any application like gpoint on ubuntu for debian
• 4075[21:02:49] <teraflops> sly01: like replaced-url
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• 4079[21:04:21] <teraflops> wait it says wheezy
• 4080[21:04:32] <teraflops> ,v gpointing-device-settings
• 4081[21:04:33] <judd> Package: gpointing-device-settings on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.5.1-3; wheezy: 1.5.1-6
• 4082[21:04:36] <teraflops> hm
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• 4084[21:04:42] <sly01> teraflops: Yeah thats for wheezy
• 4085[21:05:12] <teraflops> sly01: what DE do you use?
• 4086[21:05:22] <teraflops> if any*
• 4087[21:05:40] <sly01> teraflops: sorry I dont understand what do you mean by saying DE ?
• 4088[21:05:49] <teraflops> gnome kde xfce ...
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• 4090[21:06:07] <sly01> teraflops: ohh gnome
• 4091[21:06:16] <jak2000> hi all
• 4092[21:06:17] <teraflops> sly01: there is a conf tool in gnome
• 4093[21:06:19] <sly01> teraflops: I also tried in i3 wm but same thing
• 4094[21:06:20] <jak2000> how to install sudo?
• 4095[21:06:30] <malinus> apt-get install sudo
• 4096[21:06:54] <jak2000> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
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• 4098[21:07:05] <malinus> apt-get update && apt-get sudo
• 4099[21:07:21] <malinus> +install
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• 4102[21:07:44] <sly01> teraflops: from mouse&touchpad setting touchpad section only pointer speed, disable while typing, two finger scroll, tap to click, natural scrolling options exist
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• 4106[21:07:52] <teraflops> sly01: ah
• 4107[21:08:00] <jak2000> same
• 4108[21:08:01] <jak2000> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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• 4113[21:08:58] <malinus> apt-get update && yes | apt-get upgrade
• 4114[21:08:59] <g00se> Any 'discrecommendation' for installing over a broken install?
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• 4117[21:09:13] <malinus> :D
• 4118[21:09:23] <GeiserIC> g00se: "broken"?
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• 4121[21:09:41] <g00se> Effectivel rm -rf /* on it
• 4122[21:09:47] <jmcnaught> malinus: piping "yes" to apt-get robs you of the chance to say no when it asks whether it should do something crazy
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• 4127[21:10:12] <GeiserIC> g00se: Well, then finish the job with mkfs.ext4 :)
• 4128[21:10:20] <g00se> Nasty scripting accident
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• 4130[21:10:41] <GeiserIC> Any data you want to rescue?
• 4131[21:10:45] <jak2000> malinus: replaced-url
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• 4134[21:11:16] <g00se> THink i've got it, but thought it could save time
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• 4136[21:11:39] <sly01> teraflops: do you have any idea ?
• 4137[21:11:41] <jmcnaught> jak2000: are you running a mix of wheezy and stable (aka jessie)?
• 4138[21:11:43] <teraflops> people do backups, I like taking snapshots from subvolumes
• 4139[21:11:46] <GeiserIC> g00se: Well, the installer lets you format the partitions anyway
• 4140[21:11:52] <jmcnaught> !show sources.list jak2000
• 4141[21:11:52] <dpkg> jak2000: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
• 4142[21:11:55] <jak2000> jmcnaught its other werver...
• 4143[21:12:00] <GeiserIC> g00se: I'd go ahead and do just that
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• 4145[21:12:41] <g00se> I was rather hoping that what escaped that idiocy might help speed up restore
• 4146[21:12:45] <jak2000> replaced-url
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• 4149[21:12:58] <jak2000> *webserver
• 4150[21:13:15] <GeiserIC> g00se: Oh, no way -- the system wouldn't know what escaped
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• 4152[21:13:42] <g00se> Well i meant stuff like config files
• 4153[21:13:59] <g00se> Even stuff like .vimrc
• 4154[21:14:09] <GeiserIC> If you want to rescue data, you can try taking an image of the partition and run photorec
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• 4156[21:14:34] <jmcnaught> jak2000: you have "deb" on the end of lines 5, 6 in that paste, those don't belong there. also "stable" is jessie now, so you've got a mix of stable and oldstable.
• 4157[21:14:35] <GeiserIC> g00se: Chances of recovery increase if you don't use the disk meanwhile
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• 4159[21:15:08] <jmcnaught> jak2000: it's better to use the release codename (like "jessie") instead of "stable" to prevent confusion and surprise half-upgrades
• 4160[21:15:20] <g00se> I'm rsyncing stuff off it at the mo with SysRecsue
• 4161[21:15:27] <GeiserIC> g00se: BTW, photorec is in the "testdisk" package
• 4162[21:15:39] <jak2000> jmcnaught then? isnt possible install sudo?
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• 4165[21:16:09] <greycat> If you've got a mix of jessie and wheezy, you need to finish upgrading to jessie. There's no going back.
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• 4167[21:16:36] <jmcnaught> jak2000: fix your sources first. change "stable" to "jessie", change "wheezy" to "jessie". remove the "deb" at the end of each line. Then see the jessie release notes for how to complete the upgrade to jessie.
• 4168[21:16:38] <markybob> and remove "deb" from the end of those lines
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• 4170[21:16:55] <jak2000> ok
• 4171[21:16:56] <jak2000> ok
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• 4179[21:18:38] <Akuw> how can i do custom install so only really necessary packages are installed
• 4180[21:18:41] <teraflops> sly01: yes, create a custom config either in xorg.conf of inside /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d. if I understood properly you can use synaptics as in replaced-url
• 4181[21:19:10] <greycat> Akuw: do a net install, unselect everything in the final step. Only install what you require after that.
• 4182[21:19:28] <teraflops> sly01: apart from that I have no idea, it looks like old hardware
• 4183[21:19:36] <Akuw> but what about using CD or DVD ?
• 4184[21:19:52] <greycat> Why? Are you doing this on a machine with no network?
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• 4194[21:22:18] <jak2000> jmcnaught replaced-url
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• 4201[21:23:08] <greycat> I guess a "cd install" would work the same as a net install, just with a different set of packages available on the CD (you should still be able to turn them all down). You won't be able to install security fixes though.
• 4202[21:23:08] <meshuggah> hello, how can i configure an email system on console on debian 8 ?
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• 4204[21:23:25] <greycat> You also won't be able to install anything that's not on the CD.
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• 4206[21:23:50] <greycat> meshuggah: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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• 4211[21:24:20] <meshuggah> greycat, thank, iti s what i tried to use, but it fail
• 4212[21:24:32] <greycat> What is the error?
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• 4214[21:24:53] <meshuggah> greycat, i cannot send email from my google account to the server
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• 4216[21:24:58] <meshuggah> it bounce back to my google box
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• 4218[21:25:07] <jmcnaught> ryouma: hey, not sure if you noticed, but there's a new kernel in jessie that might fix the problem you were having. after an apt-get update, check "apt-get changelog linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64"
• 4219[21:25:14] <greycat> And the bounce message says...?
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• 4221[21:26:12] <jmcnaught> jak2000: line 26 of your paste suggests that you have a line that says "contri" instead of "contrib"
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• 4224[21:26:45] <meshuggah> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for the recipient domain **** by smtp.secureserver.net.
• 4225[21:26:48] <sly01> no luck issue about touchpad right click button and scrolling
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• 4228[21:27:57] <Akuw> greycat: no, but slow network connections can be a problem
• 4229[21:27:58] <sly01> teraflops: hey dear I didnt get any solution and it really make me crazy
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• 4231[21:28:01] <greycat> meshuggah: is that the *entire* message? There is no line saying what exim4 said was wrong?
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• 4239[21:29:26] <MrSnowShow> Difference between #debian freenode and #debian OFTC?
• 4240[21:29:43] <teraflops> sly01: well I do not have such device apart from what I said I have no clue.
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• 4242[21:30:21] <meshuggah> greycat, The error that the other server returned was:
• 4243[21:30:21] <meshuggah> 550 5.1.1 <root@*> Recipient not found. <replaced-url
• 4244[21:30:22] <sly01> teraflops: I got it man thanks anyway
• 4245[21:30:28] <teraflops> sly01: np
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• 4247[21:30:49] <greycat> meshuggah: does it work if you send to a *real* user instead of root?
• 4248[21:31:07] <sly01> teraflops: I tried many way but still doesnt work it make feel despreate
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• 4250[21:31:22] <jak2000> jmcnaught done! thanks
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• 4254[21:32:03] <meshuggah> greycat, same error
• 4255[21:32:13] <meshuggah> greycat, can something be wrong in the config of godaddy
• 4256[21:32:17] <meshuggah> where i got the domain name
• 4257[21:32:30] <meshuggah> i could try using the ip
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• 4259[21:33:14] <meshuggah> greycat, with ip no error
• 4260[21:33:17] <greycat> Sounds more like the issue is in your exim4-config to me, but it's still a bit murky.
• 4261[21:33:21] <greycat> huh?
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• 4263[21:33:31] <greycat> are you saying your email went to the *wrong host*?
• 4264[21:33:35] <ryouma> jmcnaught: thanks for the new command idea. it does not reference my bug numbers, so not sure.
• 4265[21:33:52] <meshuggah> greycat, i dunno what i am saying, i never had a vps and domain before
• 4266[21:33:58] <meshuggah> and never tried to make an email server
• 4267[21:34:03] <greycat> If it's a DNS issue, we will not be able to diagnose it until you tell us the domain.
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• 4269[21:34:21] <abrotman> MrSnowShow: nothing that matters
• 4270[21:34:33] <meshuggah> meshuggah.ca
• 4271[21:35:04] <greycat> meshuggah.ca has an MX pointing to meshuggah.ca, and an A pointing to 158.69.195.126. Is that the correct IP?
• 4272[21:35:13] <meshuggah> yes
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• 4274[21:35:45] <greycat> OK. Are you *sure* you told exim4-config that it should receive email for the domain meshuggah.ca?
• 4275[21:36:01] <abrotman> (and restarted it after doing so)
• 4276[21:36:02] <meshuggah> not 100% sure, i understood nothing from exim4
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• 4278[21:36:08] <meshuggah> how do i restart?
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• 4282[21:36:20] <miesco> Is it the debian way to install pip packages with `pip install --user PACKAGE`?
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• 4286[21:37:22] <wsirccc__> anybody with xp of presseding around?
• 4287[21:37:33] <abrotman> lots of people, just ask
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• 4289[21:37:40] <meshuggah> i found
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• 4291[21:38:02] <awal1> MrSnowShow, as abrotman said, nothing tat really matters regarding Debian , apart being the oftc channel like the "official" one, the main. About oftc vs freenode, a lot to say... google that....
• 4292[21:38:34] <MrSnowShow> awal1, since freenode is the most popular one I assume somekind of controversy, as in all popular stuff...
• 4293[21:38:41] <jmcnaught> miesco: pip isn't really the debian way, but it's fine to use as long as you're not root. replaced-url
• 4294[21:38:46] <abrotman> awal1: No, really .. no difference ..
• 4295[21:38:53] <abrotman> don't confuse things
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• 4301[21:40:16] <awal1> abrotman, that's the answer I got when I asked same question mooonths ago ( I think I got the answer from babilen).
• 4302[21:40:23] <toruvinn> bazhang, regarding those php zombies, saw a few today morning. downgraded php back to 5.6.17 and so far no zombies. still observing...
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• 4304[21:40:34] <abrotman> awal1: how does that change how #debian functions? It doesn't
• 4305[21:40:51] <markybob> meshuggah: does telnet meshuggah.ca 25 work from a remote box?
• 4306[21:41:05] <meshuggah> i can ssh to it
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• 4309[21:41:16] <markybob> meshuggah: not what i asked
• 4310[21:42:14] <meshuggah> markybob, doesnt work
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• 4312[21:42:32] <gegago> hi. I'm trying to build some software which requires clang, but the clang in Jessie is a bit too old, so I installed clang-3.8 using these: replaced-url
• 4313[21:42:33] <markybob> meshuggah: right. so your mail server, if running, isn't accepting connections
• 4314[21:42:40] <awal1> abrotman, you right about debian channels function yes; I think I precised before. anyway...not really important
• 4315[21:42:58] <gegago> but the build script tries to use "clang" which doesn't exist, "clang-3.8" does exist though
• 4316[21:43:12] <greycat> I'm very curious how he got a 550 5.1.1 <root@*> Recipient not found. if his mail server is not accepting connections at all.
• 4317[21:43:14] <jmcnaught> meshuggah: did you try connecting to port 25 from your home computer? some residential ISPs block port 25
• 4318[21:43:45] <greycat> Maybe it *was* accepting connections until his most recent exim4-config.
• 4319[21:44:09] <jmcnaught> it's more likely that exim4 doesn't know it's the MX for that domain
• 4320[21:44:22] <greycat> That was my first thought too, but it *is* refusing connections.
• 4321[21:44:23] <gegago> what is the most straightforward way to make "clang" point to "clang-3.8"? Would it work if I made a symlink from /usr/bin/clang to /usr/bin/clang-3.8 ?
• 4322[21:44:36] <markybob> i tried it from my server at work. doesn't connect
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• 4324[21:45:04] <greycat> gegago: what does ls -ld /usr/bin/clang* say?
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• 4328[21:45:33] <miesco> jmcnaught: How would one use non-apt-repository python packages without pip
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• 4330[21:46:03] <greycat> Wait, how the hell would he have a clang-3.8 in /usr/bin ...
• 4331[21:46:04] <gegago> greycat: replaced-url
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• 4333[21:46:34] <gegago> greycat: is that wrong?
• 4334[21:46:34] <greycat> gegago: *HOW* did you get a /usr/bin/clang-3.8
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• 4336[21:46:38] <jmcnaught> miesco: you can use pip, but it's best to do it as a regular user in a virtualenv. there's no Debian package for this particular python module that you need?
• 4337[21:46:51] <gegago> greycat: well, just "apt install clang-3.8"
• 4338[21:46:58] <greycat> Then you're not on stable.
• 4339[21:47:14] <gegago> I said I'm using these: replaced-url
• 4340[21:47:19] <miesco> jmcnaught: In a virtualenv? Why? Doesn't --user put it in ~/.local/? Isn't that virtual enough?
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• 4342[21:47:23] <gegago> I'm on 8.4 Jessie
• 4343[21:47:26] <greycat> I don't know what that is, but you're not on Debian stable any more.
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• 4345[21:48:04] <miesco> jmcnaught: Well its 'gcalcli' and 'goobook' python programs
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• 4350[21:48:21] <gegago> lsb_release -a says "Debian 8.4 Jessie"
• 4351[21:48:37] <zinx> that doesn't mean you haven't added some other source :/
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• 4354[21:49:06] <gegago> zinx: I did add additional sources, "deb replaced-url
• 4355[21:49:35] <gegago> or was I not supposed to do that?
• 4356[21:49:39] <greycat> Then you need to ask these llvm.org people what to do next.
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• 4358[21:49:58] <gegago> I see
• 4359[21:50:02] <gegago> thank you
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• 4364[21:51:21] <christianju> Hi there, can I run newest version of Debian stable with CDE and Motif window manager?
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• 4367[21:52:06] <greycat> Man, there's a thing I haven't heard in ages.
• 4368[21:52:09] <christianju> or asked another way: is there some prepared distribution variant, so that I don't have to do setup all the necessary bits manually myself?
• 4369[21:52:55] <jmcnaught> miesco: that should be fine too. the reason i like virtualenvs is because it keeps them in their own little purpose built bundle, and out of the PYTHONPATH when I don't want them there, makes it easy to have multiple versions installed, but that might be more than what you need
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• 4373[21:53:30] <greycat> ,v mwm
• 4374[21:53:31] <judd> Package: mwm on amd64 -- jessie: 2.3.4-6+deb8u1; stretch: 2.3.4-9; sid: 2.3.4-10+b1
• 4375[21:53:38] <miesco> jmcnaught: How do you install them? Do you add '.virtualenv/bin' to your path?
• 4376[21:53:39] <christianju> the reason behind asking is that I am not so happy with newer version of the major window managers, which are not really lightweight enough to me, and I heard that both CDE and Motif are now developed under free licenses
• 4377[21:53:49] <greycat> ,v cde
• 4378[21:53:50] <judd> Package: cde on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.1-1; stretch: 0.1+git9-g551e54d-1; jessie: 0.1+git9-g551e54d-1; sid: 0.1+git9-g551e54d-1
• 4379[21:53:57] <greycat> Will those suffice?
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• 4384[21:54:47] <Iridos> greycat, that cde is something else
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• 4388[21:55:04] <jmcnaught> miesco: take a look at virtualenvwrapper, which adds bash commands like "mkvirtualenv", "workon <virtualenv", "rmvirtualenv" and so on. By the way, are you using these to develop something, or are they just programs you want to run as a user?
• 4389[21:55:07] <greycat> Oh, well that's confusing.
• 4390[21:55:17] <Iridos> it's not the early 90ies anymore
• 4391[21:55:18] <bk4wan> hello
• 4392[21:55:42] <dtcrshr> hello everyone. I need to add a new folder to my path variables. Im using debian 8. The /etc/environment file is empty, so I choose to add to users ~/.profile file a new line, with export PATH=$PATH:/my/newfolder/bin but it didnt worked. How is the right way to setup a permanent path to all users under debian?
• 4393[21:55:43] <miesco> jmcnaught: I have like 2 python programs outside of apt that I want to use as a user (I develop in perl)
• 4394[21:55:47] <Iridos> mwm is packaged
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• 4397[21:56:12] <greycat> Right, I did find mwm and verified that it was Motif window manager.
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• 4401[21:56:51] <greycat> Then apt-cache show cde showed me some output that scrolled off the screen so I just assumed it was CDE.
• 4402[21:57:22] <jmcnaught> miesco: virtualenvwrapper might be overkill for you, but it's pretty sweet. "pip --user" is probably what you want if you just want to use the programs as a user, not sure if that puts them in your $PATH or not though
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• 4405[21:57:34] <greycat> I can't imagine why anyone would *want* to run CDE unless it's to verify that something works under CDE for compatibility with some crappy legacy system, but....
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• 4412[21:58:36] <christianju> greycat: then why are they still actively developed?
• 4413[21:58:50] <greycat> You're the one that seems to think this or to have any knowledge of it. You tell us.
• 4414[21:58:51] <christianju> both CDE and Motif are still developed
• 4415[21:59:14] <Iridos> seems it's called cdesktopenv ... at least here replaced-url
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• 4417[21:59:38] <greycat> I haven't heard of ANYONE asking about CDE in at least a decade. Back then commercial Unices still had a lot more life left in them, and there were more heterogeneous environments.
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• 4425[22:00:54] <greycat> Mostly people only cared about the Motif libraries so they could compile shit that was written for commercial Unix systems and the Motif widget set, on their Linux systems.
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• 4429[22:01:16] <greycat> That's where the lesstif project came in.
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• 4431[22:01:23] <Iridos> be fair, some liked it because it was ugly
• 4432[22:01:29] <christianju> it's because of a single piece of software which is still running with Motif toolkit, but under Solaris server inside a company project. Privately I would like to check motif with newer Linux versions, so I can analyse some more
• 4433[22:01:46] <greycat> Oh, now we get a different reason.
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• 4435[22:02:02] <MutantTurkey> hello, is there a way to downgrade a package to an older version with debian?
• 4436[22:02:03] <greycat> 15:53 christianju> the reason behind asking is that I am not so happy with newer version of the major window managers, which are not really lightweight enough
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• 4438[22:02:06] <christianju> greycat: It's just a question
• 4439[22:02:07] <Iridos> well, motif and mwm are there
• 4440[22:02:15] <MutantTurkey> even manually? I am trying to roll back to chromium 48, because 49 is breaking some internal workflow stuff
• 4441[22:02:16] <christianju> greycat: that's a second reason
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• 4444[22:02:50] <greycat> MutantTurkey: you can *attempt* to install the older .deb file manually, but there is no guarantee that a downgrade will work
• 4445[22:02:55] <christianju> greycat: I could use other lightweight DE's but then again, this is the other thing which interests me
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• 4450[22:03:43] <zinoviy> sorry for breaking your conversation;please can somebody help me solving my wifi problem. every time i start my pc i have to do (modprob -r ath5k) then (modprob ath5k) more then twice to get wifi working. thx
• 4451[22:03:44] <Iridos> I maybe wouldn't label something with one single commit in 2016 " actively developed"
• 4452[22:03:48] <christianju> Iridos: so is it usable when installing Debian? Or is it just there, and nobody really runs X11 with it?
• 4453[22:03:57] <MutantTurkey> greycat: where can I locate that file though, agreed there is no guarentee
• 4454[22:04:03] <Iridos> christianju, try it and see
• 4455[22:04:10] <Saar> apt-cache search tinywm
• 4456[22:04:12] <MutantTurkey> but I don't have it in my /var/cache/apt/archives so
• 4457[22:04:16] <greycat> MutantTurkey: in your /var/cache/apt/archives/ or in the pool on the mirrors
• 4458[22:04:19] <MutantTurkey> looked there first, but i don't have it
• 4459[22:04:24] <MutantTurkey> right, so on mirrors, how can I find this?
• 4460[22:04:29] <greycat> !pool
• 4461[22:04:30] <dpkg> well, pool is replaced-url
• 4462[22:04:32] <MutantTurkey> I see this page, but only xz files replaced-url
• 4463[22:04:33] <MutantTurkey> ok thanks
• 4464[22:04:43] <g00se> I must be making a wrong assumption - rsync should take up with a single file from where it left off shouldn't it?
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• 4466[22:04:58] <christianju> Iridos: that's why I came here before, because I wanted to know if anybody may have a clue about it so I don't have to first delve into it
• 4467[22:05:12] <jmcnaught> zinoviy: are there interesting log messages or dmesg output after you boot that say anything about why the ath5k module isn't working?
• 4468[22:05:35] <MutantTurkey> greycat: but older packages, i don't see these?
• 4469[22:05:41] <MutantTurkey> only newer up to date versions
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• 4473[22:06:13] <RProgrammer> Can I send message to channel now?
• 4474[22:06:15] <Iridos> christianju, if it exists it runs... at least with mwm, that's simple enough to test
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• 4476[22:06:19] <MutantTurkey> RProgrammer: yes.
• 4477[22:06:26] <Iridos> RProgrammer, nope, sorry, can't see a thing
• 4478[22:06:27] <RProgrammer> Hey it works finally! x'D
• 4479[22:06:34] <zinoviy> yes jmcnaught there is this msg (can't disable ASPM; OS doesn't have ASPM control)
• 4480[22:06:38] <RProgrammer> I guess freenode requires ssl now?
• 4481[22:06:44] <Iridos> no
• 4482[22:06:46] <MutantTurkey> RProgrammer: doubtful
• 4483[22:06:51] <MutantTurkey> for certain ports.
• 4484[22:07:02] <RProgrammer> Huh, oh well who knows why
• 4485[22:07:08] <greycat> I promise you it does no require ssl.
• 4486[22:07:09] <MutantTurkey> were you identified before properly?
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• 4488[22:07:14] <frikinz> dtcrshr: /etc/profile is a good candidate
• 4489[22:07:22] <jmcnaught> MutantTurkey: did you check replaced-url
• 4490[22:07:24] <MutantTurkey> greycat: so, is there a place to locate older packages, or even what they would be named?
• 4491[22:07:27] <greycat> !pool
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• 4493[22:07:27] <MutantTurkey> oh perfect-o!
• 4494[22:07:28] <dpkg> it has been said that pool is replaced-url
• 4495[22:07:38] <RProgrammer> Yep, I--ohhh maybe I still needed to identify even after initially registering the nick
• 4496[22:08:28] <MutantTurkey> snapshot is fuckin' dope!
• 4497[22:08:33] <MutantTurkey> 'scuse me
• 4498[22:08:40] <RProgrammer> Anyway, I have a problem installing g++-multilib on Jessie, specifically libc6-dev-i386
• 4499[22:08:50] <MutantTurkey> RProgrammer: what is the error?
• 4500[22:08:56] <RProgrammer> trying to overwrite '/usr/include/sys/xattr.h', which is also in package libc6-dev-amd64 2.19-18+deb8u4
• 4501[22:09:18] <dtcrshr> frikinz: thanks
• 4502[22:09:29] <RProgrammer> (my system is amd64; I'm installing g++-multilib to cross compile 32 bit c++ programs)
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• 4506[22:10:38] <RProgrammer> (I think the 32 bit C programs I compiled in the past worked, but it's been many apt-get upgrades since I checked)
• 4507[22:11:11] <dtcrshr> frikinz: well, I added to the /etc/profile into the first if, ad the end of the path file. It added, but worked only on a regular user
• 4508[22:11:16] <dtcrshr> root didnt get the path
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• 4511[22:11:26] <dtcrshr> is there any globa place to edit the path?
• 4512[22:11:29] <dtcrshr> global
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• 4514[22:11:47] <greycat> dtcrshr: the issue is more "Where could my PATH have been changed *after* it was read from /etc/profile"
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• 4516[22:11:58] <greycat> dtcrshr: so you'd also have to look at /root/.profile and so on.
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• 4518[22:12:01] <RProgrammer> (oh forget that, it's libc6, if it's not already installed, my configuration must have changed since then and I'd have the same problem with C-not-++ )
• 4519[22:12:05] <dtcrshr> greycat: I logged of and on again to test it up
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• 4521[22:12:13] <greycat> *sigh* why do I even bother
• 4522[22:12:23] <dtcrshr> ill add again into /root/.profile then
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• 4526[22:12:56] <greycat> Did you even *log on* as root? I.e. you pressed Ctrl-Alt-F2, then typed "root", then root's password?
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• 4528[22:13:06] <greycat> Or are you talking about su? Or sudo something?
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• 4532[22:14:06] <dtcrshr> greycat: its a remote box, im logged via ssh
• 4533[22:14:17] <jmcnaught> zinoviy: hmmm.. i wonder if there is a kernel boot parameter that you can use to help with that. I did some web searching, keep finding reference to an enable-aspm that doesn't seem to be in Debian
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• 4535[22:14:20] <greycat> ssh root@foo? Not ssh foo and then su?
• 4536[22:14:20] <dtcrshr> Im using tmux to use both the user I need, and a root instance, its a testing gox
• 4537[22:14:21] <dtcrshr> box
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• 4548[22:18:34] <RProgrammer> Does anyone here have GCC working with cross-compiling on Jessie?
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• 4550[22:18:38] <frikinz> dtcrshr: your last line should have been export PATH
• 4551[22:18:42] <RProgrammer> Specifically anyone have gcc-4.9-multilib installed?
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• 4558[22:19:54] <RProgrammer> It depends on libc6-dev-amd64 or -i386
• 4559[22:19:54] <RProgrammer> But the architecture qualifier in the package dependency is for the opposite arch as the package
• 4560[22:20:18] <RProgrammer> I suppose because it installs headers for the foreign architecture
• 4561[22:20:59] <RProgrammer> But why is apt-get trying to install both?
• 4562[22:21:02] <frikinz> dtcrshr: also what greycat said obviously, if its modified after /etc/profile..
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• 4566[22:21:30] <greycat> I don't think he grasps the part about there being *MULTIPLE* places where PATH can be altered.
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• 4569[22:21:54] <dtcrshr> yeah, thanks for clafirying. how would be the order then?
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• 4571[22:22:12] <frikinz> but if its overwritten after /etc/profile then the box has been awfully modified..
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• 4573[22:22:30] <greycat> I'm still trying to figure out what you are doing. How does tmux fit into this? Who are you actually logging in as? What commands are you running?
• 4574[22:22:57] <greycat> Are you seeing an old instance of PATH in an already-running shell inside a tmux session?
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• 4583[22:24:00] <dtcrshr> first the loaded would be the /etc/profile, and after the user?
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• 4585[22:24:15] <greycat> Why can't you answer anything I ask?
• 4586[22:24:20] <RProgrammer> HEy I got it to work! :D
• 4587[22:24:31] <dtcrshr> sorry greycat, ill read up again all over
• 4588[22:24:35] <frikinz> dtcrshr: profiles are only read at *login* shells so to test you need to either su - user or sudo -i -u user
• 4589[22:24:50] <RProgrammer> Okay, note for multiarch support in apt/debian:
• 4590[22:24:51] <greycat> He claims he's doing some kind of ssh login, which *might* be creating a login shell.
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• 4592[22:25:18] <dtcrshr> I dont let ssh root to be acessible, I need to access from my user with my key, and after sudo su if I need root access
• 4593[22:25:24] <greycat> See!
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• 4598[22:25:43] <RProgrammer> The apt-get conflicting package preliminary detection (before trying to install) doesn't work, at least for libc6-dev-amd64:i386 and libc6-dev-i386
• 4599[22:25:44] <greycat> You're running both sudo *and* su, and I bet each of those changes PATH.
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• 4601[22:26:07] <frikinz> sudo su. WTF
• 4602[22:26:21] <greycat> It's one of those memes that people keep propagating.
• 4603[22:26:33] <zinoviy> help me activating my wifi card please[every time i boot up my system i have to do disable ath5k module, press my wifi button then activate ath5k again to leave flightmod. thx
• 4604[22:26:41] <Akuw> why is apache using so much memory?
• 4605[22:26:48] <Akuw> around 500KB
• 4606[22:26:53] <RProgrammer> apt-get downloads and tries to install packages which can't simultaneously exist (and all their dependencies), and only dpkg discovers the conflict when trying to unpack files over each other
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• 4608[22:27:00] <greycat> Anyway, sudo changes PATH to the secure_path set in /etc/sudoers, and god only knows what su does.
• 4609[22:27:30] <greycat> Akuw: is it loading PHP modules?
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• 4612[22:28:06] <Akuw> wait
• 4613[22:28:24] <Akuw> damm again -bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory
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• 4615[22:28:58] <frikinz> zinoviy: after booting, if you try /usr/sbin/rfkill unblock wifi;/usr/sbin/rfkill unblock all does that help?
• 4616[22:28:59] <greycat> In any case, 500k is not considered a large amount of memory for a server process any more.
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• 4618[22:29:30] <RProgrammer> Specifically, multiarch has troubles with C cross-compilation packages, because it allows different packages in a group of packages which the GCC maintainers seem to have set up to only allow one of per-system by limiting them per architecture, to be installed for the foreign architectures
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• 4623[22:30:18] <markybob> RProgrammer: just install chroot already like most programmers do
• 4624[22:30:21] <zinoviy> frikniz: no that does't work, rfkill list shows hard blocked : yes
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• 4627[22:30:53] <Akuw> replaced-url
• 4628[22:30:55] <frikinz> zinoviy: what laptop is it?
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• 4630[22:31:12] <RProgrammer> Well the point is that some package, maybe misconfigured in its dependencies, got apt-get to install a package that really shouldn't be allowed to be installed on an amd64 setup
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• 4632[22:31:39] <zinoviy> frikniz: i have a compaq cq60 with atheros wifi pci card
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• 4635[22:31:52] <RProgrammer> And then didn't notice the conflict between two packages (one multiarch, the other native arch) until dpkg discovered the conflict
• 4636[22:31:53] <ChunkzZ> hi there.
• 4637[22:32:00] <markybob> Akuw: so your wordpress got hacked
• 4638[22:32:08] <RProgrammer> I don't know; I mean there are a couple of things to do
• 4639[22:32:41] <ChunkzZ> can anyone help me? I installed LXQT from stretch's repo and it's installed and everything but the logout, appreance etc isn't working? all I did was sudo apt install lxqt
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• 4641[22:32:45] <ChunkzZ> anyone help?
• 4642[22:33:04] <markybob> ChunkzZ: stretch is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
• 4643[22:33:09] <jmcnaught> Akuw: also where did you get suhosin from? it's not in Wheezy or Jessie
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• 4645[22:33:11] <greycat> ChunkzZ: testing support is in #de .... damn. ninja.
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• 4647[22:33:47] <frikinz> wordpress hacked? that also happened to mossack fonseca..
• 4648[22:33:50] <Akuw> Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l
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• 4650[22:34:43] <jmcnaught> Akuw: that's at least part of your problem, all security updates for Squeeze ended months ago now. Are you also using outdated Wordpress and plugins?
• 4651[22:34:45] <dtcrshr> greycat: to fix up my bad behavior, What would be the correct way to invoke a root session? su -? su root?
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• 4653[22:35:07] <RProgrammer> In any case my problem's solved; I just wanted to let you all know about a glitch in apt-get and/or the way debian's repositories are set up that causes apt-get to fail given valid commands when multiarch is enabled
• 4654[22:35:13] <jmcnaught> dtcrshr: "sudo -i" or "su -l"
• 4655[22:35:21] <dtcrshr> thanks jmcnaught
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• 4659[22:35:42] <jmcnaught> dtcrshr: you might also want to read the INVOCATION part of the bash man page (and the man pages for su and sudo)
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• 4663[22:35:58] <RProgrammer> (I wouldn't know which though--if it's even apt-get's responsibility to detect conflicting packages before downloading and attempting to install)
• 4664[22:35:59] <dtcrshr> hm ok, ill read it up
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• 4666[22:36:09] <dtcrshr> im on this right now - replaced-url
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• 4668[22:36:25] <frikinz> zinoviy: Not sure sorry. You could try in #linux-wireless (and be patient). Did you try booting under windows and right after under debian?
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• 4670[22:36:40] <jmcnaught> RProgrammer: if you want to make sure the right people know about it, you would need to report a bug (replaced-url
• 4671[22:37:10] <RProgrammer> jmcnaught: Okay I will, thanks :)
• 4672[22:37:25] <RProgrammer> But just for the record, if anyone has the problem I had
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• 4674[22:37:34] <greycat> dtcrshr: See if "sudo -i" already does what you want before you make any other changes.
• 4675[22:37:42] <RProgrammer> The fix is that libc6-dev-amd64 should never be installed on an amd64 system
• 4676[22:37:55] <dtcrshr> greycat: yes. using sudo -i already gots the path from /etc/profile
• 4677[22:37:56] <RProgrammer> And libc6-dev-i386 should never be installed on an i386 system
• 4678[22:38:03] <dtcrshr> thanks
• 4679[22:38:04] <RProgrammer> Which is quite confusing x'D
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• 4681[22:38:15] <RProgrammer> Okay; see yall :)
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• 4683[22:38:25] <zinoviy> frikinz: thank you, yes im in dual boot when i start windows i have to click twice on wireless switch to make the card work again
• 4684[22:38:26] <greycat> sudo -i runs a login shell, so the login shell reads PATH from /etc/profile (et al.) and that overrides the secure_path from /etc/sudoers
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• 4691[22:40:12] <frikinz> zinoviy: you could power off violently windows (holding power off for a long time) and boot debian. just for a try :) and see if it says hardblocked
• 4692[22:40:40] <AIDS123> will thunderbird come to sid?
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• 4702[22:43:23] <frikinz> AIDS123: there's icedove
• 4703[22:43:44] <zinoviy> frikinz: okey i will try this i get back soon
• 4704[22:44:24] <AIDS123> frikinz: yeah but firefox is back on sid and can be put on stable as well. just want to know if there are plans for thunderbird to come back as well.
• 4705[22:45:19] <markybob> AIDS123: not soon as far as i can tell. replaced-url
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• 4713[22:47:03] <abrotman> markybob: that's true
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• 4718[22:49:44] <somiaj> isn't thunderbird a seperate communit driven matiance than firefox thesedays or am I just thinking of seamonkey?
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• 4722[22:51:04] <frikinz> I also heard some team is doing a rewrite of thunderbird in.. html5
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• 4734[22:54:22] <zinoviy> frikinz: after the operation the rfkill report hardblocked : no (but there is no scan result for iwlist wlan0 ) also i think that grub do something but i don't know what
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• 4738[22:55:27] <frikinz> zinoviy: and the 2 rfkill commands don't help?
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• 4741[22:58:01] <somiaj> grub shouldn't be messing with wifi. If rfkill is not reporting any blocks are you sure you have correct firmware?
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• 4743[22:58:35] <zinoviy> frikinz: nothing, since it's not blocked, but no scan can be performed until i disable the ath5k module then press the wireless switch then enable ath5k then im able to scan
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• 4746[22:59:46] <zinoviy> somiaj : for the firmware it's says that i have to use ath5k for my wireless card in the debian website but i not sure
• 4747[23:00:15] <somiaj> zinoviy: have you given anyone here the exact chipset you have on your wifi card (or verrified this exact chipset is supported by the ath5k module)?
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• 4752[23:00:56] <somiaj> zinoviy: if it is pci, check out lspci or lspci -vvv
• 4753[23:01:13] <greycat> lspci -nn is extremely helpful, to show the PCI IDs
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• 4758[23:02:03] <zinoviy> somiaj : there is the chip (Qualcomm Atheros AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01))
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• 4760[23:02:21] <somiaj> zinoviy: can I get the pciid as well?
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• 4764[23:03:32] <zinoviy> somiaj : there is the full line (02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Qualcomm Atheros AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:001c] (rev 01))
• 4765[23:04:35] <somiaj> zinoviy: okay, thanks. That pciid is listed under supported devices for ath5k (I just wanted to double check)
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• 4768[23:04:59] <somiaj> zinoviy: so the issue is when y ou boot it doesn't work, but if you remove the module, hit the hardware kill switch, then reload the module it works?
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• 4770[23:05:26] <zinoviy> somiaj : exactly
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• 4772[23:06:03] <somiaj> zinoviy: and before you do this (when it boots) rfkill reports no blocks what so ever? Or does it report the hardware block but it just can't be turned off by hitting the switch?
• 4773[23:06:18] <somiaj> zinoviy: also after you have done this procedure, have you checked dmesg for any other telling signs of what might be going on?
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• 4784[23:09:58] <zinoviy> somiaj : okey i have to do the procedure more then two times, the first make flight mode enable and can't be disabled (also blocks the hard), the second resolve it and make all working
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• 4787[23:11:17] <zinoviy> somiaj : also the switch does nothing when ath5k module is enabled, and in the dmesg i can see ( ath5k 0000:02:00.0: can't disable ASPM; OS doesn't have ASPM control)???
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• 4793[23:12:03] <somiaj> zinoviy: so seems like a comadability issue with the hardware switch and either the bios/acpi/etc
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• 4798[23:12:24] <toruvinn> bazhang, replaced-url
• 4799[23:12:31] <somiaj> zinoviy: do you care if the hardware switches? Or just trying to get it to work at boot? There is no way to configure your bios/efi to have the hardware switch enabled at boot?
• 4800[23:12:37] <xarragon> I mistakenly answered "No" during installation of tshark; reinstalling does not prompt the question about permissions again. How can I do that? Not even --purge seems to help
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• 4805[23:13:10] <anonymous> hello need help with iptables
• 4806[23:13:16] <anonymous> and wifi
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• 4810[23:14:05] <TomTomTosch> !ask
• 4811[23:14:06] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 4812[23:14:07] <zinoviy> somiaj : i don't care if the switch works i only want to save time at startup if it's possible
• 4813[23:14:42] <frikinz> zinoviy: as a workaround, you could have a line (or two, whatever) like rmmod ath5k; rfkill unblock all; modprobe ath5k in /etc/rc.local for example
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• 4815[23:14:57] <Guest15687> I have my policies set to DROP on INPUT , FORWARD, I am attempting to block and allow by mac address the issue I am seeing is that I can still connect to both wifi devices no matter what rule i place
• 4816[23:15:20] <somiaj> hmm, I did see something about pcie_aspm=off (you can disable this, unsure if disabling aspm will help you)
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• 4819[23:15:51] <somiaj> frikinz: the issue seems it is a hardware switch that effects the bios, unsure if rfkill would be able to automate that
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• 4821[23:16:03] <zinoviy> frikinz : i have alredy try this but how to push the switch in bash
• 4822[23:16:09] <somiaj> I don't know if disabling aspm alltogether would help, or I would look int he bios and see if there is a way to set the default state to 'on' instead of 'off'
• 4823[23:16:35] <somiaj> you could also blacklist the module so it only needs to be brought up (not unloaded first)
• 4824[23:16:50] <Guest15687> zinkoviy , what type of switch
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• 4826[23:17:28] <zinoviy> Guest15687 : push switch ( click )
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• 4831[23:18:03] <Guest15687> ah ok not a network switch but,
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• 4836[23:18:52] <Guest15687> Looking for assistance with iptables / mac addresses / and wifi,
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• 4838[23:19:08] <morpheus_696> man iptables
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• 4840[23:19:21] <morpheus_696> let me guess no wifi firmware?
• 4841[23:19:23] <frikinz> xarragon: pruge probably does the trick so does dpkg-reconfigure tshark
• 4842[23:19:37] <Guest15687> I know Iptables well but forsome reason they are not doing what they are suppose to be
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• 4847[23:21:23] <Guest15687> I have my policies to DROP for INPUT FORWARD, I am taking the MAC address of the WiFi and allowing it, but I am still able to connect to other WiFi routers even with an explicit drop all on wlan0
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• 4851[23:22:00] <markybob> Guest15687: ask #netfilter
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• 4855[23:22:22] <Aorious> Guest15687: If your loading rules form a file, did you remeber to put *filter at the top? Are your "policies" set using -P? Also check any -A are ordered correctly based on priority of that rule.
• 4856[23:22:46] <zinoviy> frikinz somiaj graycat Guest15687 : thk very much for your help now im going forward to solve this, good luck
• 4857[23:23:57] <Guest15687> I am using bash to load the iptables : Example: iptables -A INPUT -i wlan0 -m mac --mac-source 40:16:7e:a3:ae:fc -j ACCEPT < this is the wifi I want to allow iptables -A INPUT -i wlan0 -m mac --mac-source 04:A1:51:2C:DD:F6 -j DROP < this is the wifi I want to block but am still able to connect I see the rule active with iptables-nvL
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• 4862[23:25:05] <markybob> Guest15687: you should really ask where it's on topic. #netfilter
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• 4865[23:25:14] <Guest15687> Ok I will check
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• 4871[23:26:57] <jason3> hi
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• 4875[23:27:40] <jason3> i just did try to upgrade iceweasel, it was uptodate, but then apt said that 96 other packages are not updated. so i did run apt-get upgrade. but that command said that theres nothing to be done? output: replaced-url
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• 4879[23:28:33] <crash_> jason3: you need too add "deb replaced-url
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• 4881[23:28:56] <Aorious> jason3: You can just use apt, instead of apt-*
• 4882[23:29:33] <somiaj> jason3: ignore that info about upgraded packages.
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• 4884[23:30:06] <somiaj> jason3: the -t jessie-backports temporarally pins that repo as the highest, and thus it is just saying there are 96 packages in jessie-backports of higher version than what you have currently installed.
• 4885[23:30:13] <Guest15687> sad face #netfilter is a dead room
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• 4887[23:30:40] <somiaj> jason3: but the default is to not install these and you should keep the jessie version (unless you have a very specific package and reason you want to get the jessie-backports version)
• 4888[23:30:55] <somiaj> Guest15687: ##networking?
• 4889[23:31:26] <somiaj> jason3: i.e. jessie-backports will not and should not be upgraded to auotmatically, just during installs you get this warning
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• 4892[23:31:59] <somiaj> jason3: also note, once you install a package from jessie-backports, it will upgrade it to the newest version in jessie-backports, so no need to worry about that.
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• 4895[23:32:50] <warsoul> hi
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• 4897[23:33:15] <warsoul> im trying to connect remotely from another computer via ssh but i cant
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• 4902[23:34:27] <somiaj> warsoul: we need more info. Does ssh -vvv remotecomputer help you figure out what the issue is?
• 4903[23:34:58] <warsoul> somiaj no
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• 4905[23:35:01] <somiaj> warsoul: i.e. is the issue networking? Is it an ssh server running? Is it authentication of the ssh server, is it some ip/account blocking on the server end, lots of reasons one could not connect
• 4906[23:35:10] <warsoul> it just says operation timed out
• 4907[23:35:33] <warsoul> somiaj i just installed debian
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• 4909[23:35:47] <somiaj> is sshd running on the machine you want to connect to?
• 4910[23:35:47] <warsoul> i dont think is configured yet to remote connections
• 4911[23:35:55] <markybob> warsoul: you probably have to install openssh-server
• 4912[23:35:59] <somiaj> depends on if you chose to isntall ssh or not during the isntall
• 4913[23:36:09] <somiaj> ssh-server or whatever the tasksel task is
• 4914[23:36:13] <warsoul> somiaj i dont remember
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• 4918[23:36:43] <warsoul> how can i install ssh-server
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• 4921[23:36:58] <markybob> warsoul: i told you. apt-get install openssh-server
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• 4926[23:38:09] <warsoul> markybob it says i need to specify one to install
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• 4928[23:39:08] <Aorious> Speaking of updates, I never used to notice desktop notifcations from Gnome telling me when updates are avaliable. After installing unattended-upgrades, I noticed them. However, after complete removal of this package, I still get them.
• 4929[23:39:09] <Aorious> Did unattended-upgrades reconfigure something and not undo it, or is this something in the base install?
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• 4931[23:39:53] <somiaj> Aorious: unattended-upgrades is just a transitional package (apt-get show unattended-upgrades)
• 4932[23:39:59] <markybob> Aorious: you're seeing gnome-packagekit probably. remove that if you don't want it
• 4933[23:40:13] <jason3> crash_, why the "firefox-release" at the end? why is it not in "backports" ?
• 4934[23:40:15] <somiaj> austin987: so the package is still around to ease upgrading from wheezy, but the actual applet is now in a different package in which the transitional package isntalled for you.
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• 4936[23:40:42] <Aorious> markybob: I want it, I just want to know how to confiure it to show them on my notebook too.
• 4937[23:40:45] <jason3> somiaj, ah ok. thanks
• 4938[23:40:52] <Aorious> somiaj: Ty, ill check it out.
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• 4940[23:40:56] <Aorious> I will*
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• 4943[23:41:22] <crash_> jason3: the firefox-releases are made by the debian mozilla team. Link:replaced-url
• 4944[23:41:23] <somiaj> Aorious: also notice the failed tabcomletion that was to you (sorry austin987)
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• 4946[23:41:46] <jason3> crash_, apt install iceweasel now?
• 4947[23:41:50] <warsoul> somiaj could you help me out please
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• 4949[23:42:22] <somiaj> jason3: jessie-backports are up to the matainers to provide or not. The debian mozzila team has just been providing them though their own repo for a while (partly due to the debranding in iceweasel process) and is just continuing to use that method. That repos is unoffical but it is matained and built by the debian mozilla matainers.
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• 4954[23:43:34] <somiaj> warsoul: You don't give useful info so you are really hard to help. if the command markybob gave you 'apt-get install openssh-server' fails give us the exact error. I don't know of any apt error saying to specify one to install.
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• 4956[23:44:46] <yelrain> I'm running debian inside virtualbox, but trying to establish an openvpn connection inside this virtual machine seems to fail. I suspect that this has something to do with openvpn being blocked by iptables. Does anyone know how to solve this?
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• 4959[23:45:37] <somiaj> yelrain: debian does not install any firewall/blocking by default. So the issue is not going to be with the debian install (unless you specifically blocked ports with iptables)
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• 4963[23:45:47] <teraflops> yelrain: youre running iptables doing drop by default?
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• 4965[23:46:01] <somiaj> yelrain: the issue may be with the host and how virtualbox has set up networking with it.
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• 4968[23:46:49] <teraflops> yelrain: the vobx network is bridged or nat?
• 4969[23:47:05] <yelrain> I didn't delete, or add any rules to iptables after the installation. The vbox network is nat
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• 4972[23:47:18] <teraflops> yelrain: and what's the host OS?
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• 4974[23:47:23] <warsoul> somiaj i want to be able to connecto to my pc with debian remotely
• 4975[23:47:26] <yelrain> Without openvpn the connection works vpn inside the vbox
• 4976[23:47:32] <warsoul> via ssh
• 4977[23:47:38] <yelrain> I've tried using bot OS X and debian as host
• 4978[23:47:44] <teraflops> yelrain: if it's nat you need to forward the ports
• 4979[23:48:25] <yelrain> teraflops: How can I do that?
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• 4982[23:48:56] <teraflops> on OSX?
• 4983[23:49:00] <teraflops> no idea
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• 4987[23:49:55] <yelrain> On debian
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• 4989[23:50:21] <teraflops> the host is osx and youre doing nat, am I right?
• 4990[23:51:15] <teraflops> for debian: replaced-url
• 4991[23:51:16] <yelrain> No I have access to two different hosts: OSX, Debian. On both hosts I am able to run virtualbox.
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• 4995[23:52:14] <teraflops> err
• 4996[23:52:16] <teraflops> replaced-url
• 4997[23:52:17] <teraflops> better
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• 4999[23:52:48] <yelrain> Thanks I'll check out that link
• 5000[23:53:39] <teraflops> hmm, sorry it's late i failed again
• 5001[23:53:53] <teraflops> just google for forward ports nat openvpn
• 5002[23:54:32] <warsoul> anyone can help please
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• 5005[23:55:06] <yelrain> lol thanks
• 5006[23:55:54] <teraflops> meh sorry I pasted the routing bridging one
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• 5013[23:58:39] <yelrain> No problem. I've already found some good links for port forwarding openvpn nat
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• 5015[23:58:53] <asterismo_m> hi, is there any good and updated sip server in jessie repos?
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• 5017[23:59:00] <Aorious> warsoul: For me Debian to Debian (Jessie #.3) SSH, worked out of the box. Maybe, try ping your target, assuming ports are open, see if there is a connection?
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