• 0[00:00:07] <MaBunny> Thnx to prev days night when i had to study
• 1[00:00:35] <MaBunny> So,when i was gone for exam
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• 5[00:01:02] <MaBunny> N came at 2 pm or so i found
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• 7[00:01:29] <MaBunny> Someone has switched off the computer!!!
• 8[00:01:54] <MaBunny> I mean seven hrs of downloading!!
• 9[00:02:05] * dvs runs away
• 10[00:02:11] <MaBunny> Lol
• 11[00:02:24] <MaBunny> So im starting again
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• 13[00:02:48] <MaBunny> Just awoke now
• 14[00:03:00] <MaBunny> *waked up
• 15[00:03:02] <dvs> What are you trying to download?
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• 17[00:03:35] <MaBunny> The desktop environ,gnome n ssh server,n system utilities
• 18[00:03:37] <karlpinc> Psi-Jack: I know you can mirror just particiuar archs. I don't know about particular releases.
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• 20[00:04:01] <MaBunny> I mean im not using netinst but
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• 22[00:04:23] <MaBunny> The install requires some downloads
• 23[00:04:40] <MaBunny> Ok will keep you updated
• 24[00:04:48] <dvs> netinst does for sure. others might as well.
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• 27[00:05:37] <Psi-Jack> hmmm.
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• 31[00:06:03] <Psi-Jack> Sometimes I reaally really hate Debian for the things they do, like repository mirroring and local mirror handling is just so.... dumbfounding. :/
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• 33[00:07:00] <MaBunny> No thts actually good
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• 35[00:07:05] <MaBunny> I mean
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• 37[00:07:27] <MaBunny> The thing tht all softwares are in one place
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• 40[00:08:11] <dvs> Psi-Jack, That's why I make my own mirror. The main repos I want are local to me.
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• 44[00:09:32] <dutchfish> hi guys, i think i have a problem. Can someone help me out? W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 47[00:10:04] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: hello again. You said that you went somewhere to do an exam. Does your campus have a network you could use? Maybe it would be faster to bring your computer to school and install Debian on it there. If you're doing multiple installs over a cell phone connection, I hope you don't get stuck with a crazy phone bill :)
• 48[00:10:18] <markybob> !httpredir issues
• 49[00:10:18] <dpkg> The <httpredir> service selects bad mirrors for some people. If you're one of them, try explicitly choosing a mirror: "deb replaced-url
• 50[00:10:18] <siloxid> Psi-Jack: why, because you're DOSing debian repos and those pesky mirrors are still letting users download files they need?
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• 53[00:12:07] <MaBunny> No jmcnaught its a far away school/college n we hav an internet conn in home,about 150kBps
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• 57[00:12:50] * jmcnaught uses apt-cacher-ng at home, thinks it's good enough for a lot of use cases.
• 58[00:13:12] <jmcnaught> dutchfish: you might just need to try "apt update" a couple more times
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• 60[00:14:30] <dutchfish> jmcnaught, markybob worked like charm, thanks!
• 61[00:14:34] <MaBunny> So i msged /msg dpkg httpredir
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• 63[00:15:09] <MaBunny> But it tells about sources.list,im in the installation
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• 65[00:15:55] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: that !httpredir issues wasn't for you, you're not the only one here :P
• 66[00:16:08] <MaBunny> Ok
• 67[00:16:11] <MaBunny> Srry
• 68[00:16:30] <MaBunny> :D
• 69[00:16:50] <Psi-Jack> siloxid: Pardon?
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• 74[00:18:08] <MaBunny> I remember now jmcnaught,in the disk space rewriting process
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• 77[00:18:37] <MaBunny> I chose relatime,sync n 2 more options
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• 79[00:18:59] <MaBunny> Earlier i just choosed sync
• 80[00:19:08] <siloxid> Psi-Jack: mirrors provide the ability to get files with aptitude when the main repository servers go down
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• 82[00:19:21] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: ? you've lost me.
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• 84[00:19:35] <MaBunny> Nothing just
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• 86[00:19:44] <siloxid> Psi-Jack: without mirrors, you wouldn't be able to download any debian software
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• 88[00:20:12] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny: you changed the fs mount options?
• 89[00:20:20] <MaBunny> Yeah
• 90[00:20:23] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: please limit yourself to support questions, and don't hit <enter> so much.
• 91[00:20:35] <MaBunny> Srry
• 92[00:20:38] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny: why? the default options should be fine for you.
• 93[00:21:16] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny: if it isn't mounted rw it will not be very usable for you.
• 94[00:21:57] <MaBunny> Its sync only now
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• 97[00:22:35] <TomTomTosch> go back to the partitioning tool and change it back to the default options.
• 98[00:22:49] <MaBunny> Ok
• 99[00:23:06] <Psi-Jack> siloxid: That's not the point.
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• 118[00:33:35] <Psi-Jack> siloxid: Yes... The point is.. I want to make my own local mirror copy.
• 119[00:33:36] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny: if you anly selected sync it will not break things. but why do you think you need that?
• 120[00:33:42] <TomTomTosch> s/anly/only
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• 125[00:37:58] <Spec> Psi-Jack: check out aptly
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• 131[00:40:48] <Psi-Jack> Spec: Hmmm.. Can it mirror a singular distribution version of Debian, potentially limit what's downloaded if not needing everything (which I don't need a lot, since I use Debian only for servers)
• 132[00:40:57] <Spec> yes
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• 135[00:41:09] <Spec> You can supply complex filters and so on and so forth, very flexible
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• 142[00:43:52] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. I see. Looking at it now in my systemd-nspawn running instance.
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• 144[00:44:30] <Psi-Jack> I'm trying to mirror debian jessie and proxmox ve repos locally so I can version everything locally, and download once.
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• 148[00:45:20] <mdim> hi all
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• 150[00:45:42] <mdim> I've been trying to install some packages non-interactively, but I always get a prompt, as shown at the bottom here: replaced-url
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• 152[00:45:55] <mdim> any clue how to avoid this (and select a default)?
• 153[00:45:56] <jmcnaught> Psi-Jack: i use apt-cacher-ng so that packages are only downloaded once. pretty easy to set up, doesn't need to download a whole mirror or be told which stuff to mirror.
• 154[00:45:56] <Lionyx> is there any other tool rather then "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" to config the console? If not, how do I add more fonts to it? (Debian Jessie)
• 155[00:46:20] <mdim> it's keyboard-configuration that gives the prompt
• 156[00:46:33] <mdim> this is on Debian Jessie
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• 162[00:48:39] <jmcnaught> mdim: have you tried setting DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive?
• 163[00:48:47] <mdim> jmcnaught: I have
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• 165[00:49:59] <ka0skontrol> hi
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• 167[00:50:35] <jmcnaught> mdim: it looks like it's trying to use dialog and then falling back on readline. have you read debconf(7)? there's a lot of good info in there
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• 201[01:05:16] <mdim> jmcnaught: so, as I've said, I tried with DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive, but I still get questions. What can I do to make it fully non-interactive?
• 202[01:05:48] <mdim> I've skimmed over the man page, but I haven't learned anything new that I could apply in this case
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• 207[01:06:23] <jmcnaught> mdim: what does "debconf-show debconf" say "debconf/frontend:" is set to?
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• 213[01:08:51] <hlzr> hi, how do I install suggested and recommended packages for a package that is already installed? I tried apt-get --install-suggests --install-recommends <package> but all it says is that the package is already the newest version. I don't want to have to remove it as it is providing a service I don't want to take offline.
• 214[01:08:55] <hlzr> Please help :)
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• 216[01:09:38] <jmcnaught> mdim: you could also consider preseeding with debconf-set-selections, or try the fallback db stuff discussed in the "Unattended Package Installation" section of debconf(7)
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• 220[01:11:20] <mdim> jmcnaught: interesting, the DEBIAN_FRONTEND variable's value gets completely ignored: replaced-url
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• 227[01:15:32] <jmcnaught> mdim: "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive debconf-show debconf" is not going to change any values. maybe you need to more than skim debconf(7). Also this looks like docker, maybe that ruby:2.1 image is based on some "not really Debian" image because Docker's "official" Debian images are "official" to Docker, not Debian
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• 229[01:16:19] <jmcnaught> mdim: replaced-url
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• 234[01:18:21] <jmcnaught> mdim: "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" will change things by the way
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• 237[01:19:03] <jmcnaught> hlzr: what is the package? at the very least you could look at its Recommends and Suggests files with "apt-cache show <package>" and install them manually
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• 241[01:20:43] <jmcnaught> hlzr: you could also try "aptitude seach ~RBrecommends:<package>" (take a look at the aptitude search term reference replaced-url
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• 243[01:21:32] <hlzr> jmcnaught: that's what I'm in the process of doing now, thank you
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• 249[01:22:56] <jmcnaught> hlzr: if you have configure apt to never install recommends, personally i think that's a bad idea. Usually recommends are good to have, that's why they're recommended. In the odd cases where recommends pulls in way to much stuff, then use "--no-install-recommends" for installing that particular package
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• 289[01:47:45] <mdim> can someone tell me what is the "d-i" command mentioned here? replaced-url
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• 295[01:50:04] <jmcnaught> mdim: it's short for debian-installer, and it's not a command. it's more like a key in the preseed file that indicates this value is for the debian installer
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• 311[01:55:16] <karlpinc> ZorroT: Boot off the install disk in rescue mode.
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• 317[01:59:46] <toastedmilk> would this be the correct forum to ask a few questions regarding installing steam? or should I look to a steam-specific channel
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• 328[02:05:27] <jmcnaught> toastedmilk: if you're installing Steam on Debian there are instructions here: replaced-url
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• 336[02:09:28] <Psi-Jack> jmcnaught: I'd use apt-cacher-ng as an option, except there is no CentOS package availavble for that, though... I could possibly attempt to make a .spec file for it too. That is in my research. Alternatively, I could run apt-cacher-ng in a systemd-nspawn container, but that's excessive just for the purpose. :)
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• 347[02:15:34] <salviaD> why apt-get install php5 , install apache2 too?
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• 360[02:22:07] <jmcnaught> Psi-Jack: I see. Some people use Squid instead of apt-cacher-ng. Having apt-cacher-ng in its own container or VM might be worth it, if it makes it easier to manage/move later on
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• 362[02:22:34] <Psi-Jack> yeah, squid... Sucks at this. :)
• 363[02:23:46] <jmcnaught> Psi-Jack: for my network, I basically just install apt-cacher-ng somewhere, and point all the other Debians at it, and I'm done.
• 364[02:23:59] <Psi-Jack> Heh, yeah.
• 365[02:24:25] <Psi-Jack> I have 2 debian servers. Will have 3 after I move to my house. Proxmox VE servers. The rest is all CentOS.
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• 367[02:24:41] <jmcnaught> salviaD: check php5's depends. It depends on libapache2-mod-php5 OR php5-cgi OR some other options, but mod_php's package is listed first
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• 370[02:25:54] <jmcnaught> Psi-Jack: i do a lot of VMs and LXC containers on my laptop, and i have an "apt" VM that starts at boot and basically just has apt-cacher-ng (and tftp serving the netboot installer). The host OS and all VMs and containers use it. Works really well, hardly any setup involved.
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• 372[02:27:09] <jmcnaught> Psi-Jack: the most i think i've had to configure with apt-cacher-ng is telling it to simply pass through repos that use https
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• 374[02:27:52] <jmcnaught> Psi-Jack: for you, it might make sense to simply install it on one of the systems already running Debian
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• 393[02:38:57] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
• 394[02:39:08] <Psi-Jack> jmcnaught: Except that I have no space on those systems. :)
• 395[02:39:18] <Psi-Jack> All reserved for the VMs they run.
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• 400[02:41:20] <jmcnaught> Psi-Jack: well i'm sure you'll figure out where to put it. anyways, i think apt-cacher-ng is simpler and going to save you a lot of bandwidth versus trying to set up an entire mirror, which will involve downloading packages you never need even if you limit it to jessie/amd64.
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• 406[02:46:49] <Psi-Jack> I'm already mirroring CentOS 7 repos an3rd part repos. :)
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• 413[02:51:26] <jak2000> hi all
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• 416[02:51:59] <jak2000> i mounted: mount /dev/hddsvrweb/backups /backups how do it permanently? when server turns on?
• 417[02:52:32] <dvs> jak2000, put it in your /etc/fstab file
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• 422[02:58:53] <tat> i have some trouble with some process resetting my serial baudrate , really fast, below a second once i have set it
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• 424[02:59:14] <tat> i have to say that i set it through /dev/mem by accessing the clock register
• 425[02:59:35] <tat> is there any process that tracks if /dev/tty* has changed ?
• 426[02:59:44] <jak2000> when i copy a line with dd command how to paste?
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• 431[03:01:14] <qmr> tat: lsof, watch, maybe chattr +i ?
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• 433[03:01:45] <cafuego> tat: they can change qute easily
• 434[03:01:45] <jmcnaught> jak2000: it's not very clear what you mean
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• 437[03:02:10] <cafuego> tat: you can make a tty writable (or not) via 'mesg y|n'
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• 440[03:02:57] <jak2000> jmcnaught you used vi?
• 441[03:03:03] <jak2000> know the command dd is for?
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• 443[03:03:37] <jmcnaught> jak2000: you didn't say vi. dd is also a linux command. "p" does paste.
• 444[03:04:01] <jak2000> ok
• 445[03:04:13] <cafuego> "p" pastes to the line brlow, "P" to the line above.
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• 448[03:05:50] <jak2000> its ok: /dev/hddsvrweb/backups /backups ext4 defaults 0 2 ?
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• 450[03:06:21] <tat> cafuego: it is /dev/ttyAMA0
• 451[03:06:28] <tat> hardware uart
• 452[03:06:31] <cafuego> oh right :-)
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• 454[03:06:40] <tat> how would msg work there ?
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• 457[03:07:05] <cafuego> tat: mesg is usallly run from a shell by a user
• 458[03:07:14] <krekl> how do I change the timezone?
• 459[03:07:44] <cafuego> tat: Totally depends what's running on that tty; if there's a serial console on that, a user logged in on that could run mesg.
• 460[03:07:54] <cafuego> tat: If not, see what's got it open (lsof)
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• 463[03:09:08] <tat> well some process is resetting my baudrate really quick, i set the uart_clock divider to 6 by accessing the coresponding regiter through /dev/mem and i can confirm that it is sed, a moment later it is set back to 1
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• 470[03:16:13] <cafuego> tat: Can you set it via the `stty` program instead?
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• 472[03:16:32] <tat> baudrate is 312500 not accepted by the kernel
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• 474[03:17:11] <dvs> 115200?
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• 476[03:18:04] <tat> no 31250 it is
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• 479[03:18:47] <dvs> doesn't sound like a viable serial baud rate
• 480[03:18:51] <tat> midi
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• 483[03:19:09] <dvs> ah
• 484[03:19:12] <tat> ok now it works, i had to open /dev/ttyAMA0 first than set the baudrate
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• 488[03:19:45] <cafuego> tat: heh
• 489[03:19:46] <tat> my error was that i sed the baudrate and than opened the device, looks like the OS sets the configured baudrate on fd.open
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• 492[03:20:05] <cafuego> tat: the app would set it, is my guess
• 493[03:22:26] <krekl> how do I change the timezone?
• 494[03:22:58] <cafuego> krekl: Set the TZ environment variable in your .$SHELLrc
• 495[03:23:28] <krekl> globally i mean
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• 497[03:23:37] <cafuego> leave that on UTC
• 498[03:24:09] <krekl> i don't need per-user timezones
• 499[03:24:16] <cafuego> If it's not on UTC, set it to UTC via ... uh ... 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' ?
• 500[03:24:17] <dvs> edit the /etc/timezone file?
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• 503[03:24:27] <cafuego> krekl: You can't not have per-user timezones on Linux :-)
• 504[03:24:44] <krekl> dvs: thanks
• 505[03:24:48] <dvs> no prob
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• 525[03:35:20] <jak2000> hi all, replaced-url
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• 605[04:31:09] <jesun> hello all
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• 609[04:33:18] <jesun> jak
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• 616[04:35:20] <jesun> hey jak2000
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• 626[04:40:37] <Testor> hallo
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• 634[04:44:48] <th3s3_3y3s> How can android be switched to windows?
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• 639[04:46:35] <krekl> i have a weird sound issue
• 640[04:46:46] <krekl> aplay and chrome play sound
• 641[04:47:00] <krekl> the mixer applet and gstreamer doesn't
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• 643[04:47:23] <krekl> I played with controls in GUI mixer, to no avail
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• 660[04:53:43] <jmcnaught> krekl: are you using pulseaudio? is something hogging your soundcard while everything else is trying to share using pulseaudio?
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• 666[04:55:48] <krekl> like?
• 667[04:56:02] <jmcnaught> krekl: like chrome and aplay perhaps?
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• 673[04:56:49] <aZz7eCh> Q: I just copied 4 .mkv (movie files) to my external usb hdd (that i use often), and now ... everything off the drive has vanished ... 500gb of files, just not showing. I have unplugged and plugged the drive in repeatedly. I have rebooted. Still cant see anything on it. I have just tried to make a "New Folder" which it did, but soon as I unplug/plug it in again, even that is gone also now.. Any suggestions on what may be causing this?
• 674[04:57:09] <krekl> i can see chrome in the mixer, and aplay works in parallel with it
• 675[04:57:28] <jmcnaught> krekl: are you looking in pavucontrol?
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• 677[04:58:37] <krekl> i don't have pavucontrol, it is some kind of MATE appler
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• 681[05:01:00] <jmcnaught> krekl: i don't use MATE, but i wonder if that's the same thing as Gnome's Sound settings. Does it have an Applications tab that lists programs each with their own volume control?
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• 683[05:01:15] <krekl> jmcnaught: yes
• 684[05:01:28] <jmcnaught> krekl: and the applications that don't produce sound are listed there?
• 685[05:01:42] <krekl> jmcnaught: they don't
• 686[05:02:16] <jmcnaught> aZz7eCh: you could check the disk with smartmontools. The Gnome Disks Utility has a GUI for doing SMART tests
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• 688[05:02:50] <jmcnaught> krekl: what are the other programs? maybe they're configured to not use pulseaudio for some reason?
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• 693[05:07:01] <krekl> hmm i was missing gstreamer pulseaudio plugin... how is that even possible?
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• 695[05:07:25] <jmcnaught> krekl: i don't know. if you install it does it say it wants to remove something?
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• 701[05:08:25] <krekl> no it seems to work now
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• 720[05:17:12] <aZz7eCh> jmcnaught, like a scandisk/checkdisk ?
• 721[05:17:41] <lux7676> hi, is there a way to compare sha256 in terminal, im looking for a quicker way instead of looking at every single character ?
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• 731[05:20:25] <henryk> with sha256sum you can pass a file with -c that contains the hash to compare against.
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• 737[05:21:02] <ZorroT> i'm not able to isntall the broadcom b43 driver under jessie ?
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• 740[05:21:27] <ZorroT> replaced-url
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• 742[05:22:06] <lux7676> i can actually just copy the results to notepad and compare, it will work that way as well
• 743[05:23:26] <jmcnaught> aZz7eCh: maybe? it's been a while since i've used Windows. there is fsck which checks a filesystem. smartmontools checks the health of the harddisk
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• 746[05:23:46] <TomTomTosch> ZorroT: you need to provide more info if you want us to help. the package is there for jessie. what error did you get?
• 747[05:23:55] <pingfloyd> lux7676: you can grep the hash against the digest with the clipboard
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• 749[05:24:55] <lux7676> yeah i just used gedit and i copied the number from terminal and then pasted the one from the website
• 750[05:25:02] <lux7676> it works
• 751[05:25:24] <pingfloyd> of ctrl+f in your browser and paste the hash
• 752[05:25:33] <aZz7eCh> jmcnaught, thanks for the pointer. am running the SMART Data & Self-Tests from "Disks" for now. But will make a note of fsck/smartmontools.
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• 758[05:28:50] <lux7676> pingfloyd even better thanks
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• 786[05:50:40] <lux7676> could anyone recommend good website for learning the more about the terminal ?
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• 797[05:55:40] <lux7676> jmcnaught thanks
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• 803[05:59:15] <snookmz> if i've created IP aliases with ifconfig, how come they don't show up with ip addr show dev ethx ?
• 804[05:59:32] <snookmz> and vice versa, if I create 'aliases' with ip, how come they don't show with an ifconfig?
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• 817[06:04:54] <pharpend> hey guys
• 818[06:05:05] <pharpend> I'm trying to install jessie on my machine
• 819[06:05:10] <pharpend> ethernet cable is not an option
• 820[06:05:26] <pharpend> and I can't seem to set up wifi with the packages included on the disk
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• 825[06:06:40] <pharpend> wireless-tools is not included
• 826[06:07:31] <jmcnaught> pharpend: are you having trouble because your wifi network uses something other than WPA to authenticate?
• 827[06:07:40] <pharpend> no
• 828[06:07:49] <pharpend> because there's no wpa-supplicant included
• 829[06:08:03] <pharpend> and it's not on the dvds
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• 831[06:08:22] <pingfloyd> pharpend: it's probably because of firmware
• 832[06:08:39] <jmcnaught> pharpend: wpa_supplicant is on the installer image, and the installer can connect to a WPA2 network using its menus. did you get prompted about missing firmware?
• 833[06:08:46] <pharpend> no
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• 835[06:08:56] <pharpend> I got prompted about my network not using dhcp
• 836[06:09:05] <pharpend> but I don't have a cable
• 837[06:09:11] <pingfloyd> replaced-url
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• 839[06:09:50] <jmcnaught> before trying the unofficial firmware iso, it's worth checking to see what kind of wifi adapter you have. it doesn't include firmwares for broadcom devices
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• 841[06:10:16] <pharpend> jmcnaught: I checked on the debian wifi wiki page, it's supported
• 842[06:10:18] <ZorroT> i'm not able to isntall the broadcom b43 driver under jessie -- can anyone assist?
• 843[06:10:23] <pharpend> and the kernel module is modprobed
• 844[06:10:36] <pharpend> it shows up on lspci
• 845[06:10:50] <jmcnaught> pharpend: what kind is it, can you get the pciid with lspci -nn?
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• 849[06:11:14] <jmcnaught> ZorroT: Are you following the instructions here? replaced-url
• 850[06:11:31] <jmcnaught> pharpend: also what installer image are you using, what is the URL?
• 851[06:11:41] <pharpend> jmcnaught: usb wifi thing, not a literal card
• 852[06:11:50] <pharpend> jmcnaught: torrented 8.4
• 853[06:11:59] <ZorroT> jmcnaught: yes
• 854[06:12:04] <pharpend> jmcnaught: just today, so replaced-url
• 855[06:12:19] <ZorroT> firmware-b43-installer does is not found
• 856[06:12:30] <ZorroT> very specifically i updated sources.list, apt-get update, etc.
• 857[06:12:47] <pharpend> jmcnaught: realtek semiconductor corp rtl8191su
• 858[06:13:03] <jmcnaught> ZorroT: you have contrib included in your sources.list?
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• 860[06:13:37] <ZorroT> jmcnaught: yes, quite
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• 862[06:15:01] <jmcnaught> pharpend: that device does require a firmware from the firmware-realtek package. The installer didn't ask you about missing firmwares at all?
• 863[06:15:08] <pharpend> nope
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• 867[06:15:37] <pharpend> jmcnaught: firmware-realtek not on the dvds
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• 869[06:16:03] <pharpend> I should clarify
• 870[06:16:16] <jmcnaught> pharpend: This chapter of the install manual discusses missing firmwares and has a link to an unofficial netinst iso that has most of the non-free firmwares. However if you've already downloaded the DVDs it's probably easiest to simply install without network and fix it after the first boot
• 871[06:16:22] <jmcnaught> pharpend: replaced-url
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• 873[06:16:37] <jmcnaught> !show sources.list ZorroT
• 874[06:16:38] <dpkg> ZorroT: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
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• 876[06:17:13] <ZorroT> dpkg: can't, non-graphical unit.
• 877[06:17:14] <dpkg> ZorroT: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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• 879[06:17:24] <pharpend> jmcnaught: worth noting: I don't have actual dvds, I burned the images to USB sticks and mounted them on the system (already booted), then added the directories to sources.list
• 880[06:17:40] <ZorroT> oh
• 881[06:17:42] <jmcnaught> ZorroT: dpkg is a bot. you can use pastebinit "/msg dpkg pastebinit"
• 882[06:17:44] <ZorroT> i just caught it.
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• 884[06:18:01] <ZorroT> i updated the deb-src line, and not the deb line above it.
• 885[06:18:02] <ZorroT> ...
• 886[06:18:14] <ZorroT> problem solved.
• 887[06:19:21] <pharpend> jmcnaught: out of usb sticks :/
• 888[06:19:41] <pharpend> jmcnaught: thank you for the help
• 889[06:19:51] <jmcnaught> pharpend: how many DVD images did you download? you probably don't need them all
• 890[06:19:58] <pharpend> 3
• 891[06:20:11] <pharpend> I have #2 and #3 on two separate usb sticks
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• 894[06:20:57] <jmcnaught> pharpend: i would be very surprised if you end up needing DVDs 2 or 3 during the initial install
• 895[06:21:07] <pharpend> okay, thank you
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• 899[06:21:46] <jmcnaught> pharpend: anyways, your two best options here are 1. attempt the instructions in the "missing firmware" install manual chapter, or 2. install without network, add the firmware-realtek package after the install
• 900[06:21:47] <pharpend> it's late here, i'm heading to bed
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• 904[06:22:48] <pharpend> jmcnaught: thanks. I'll probably be back tomorrow with more stupid questions
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• 906[06:23:16] <jmcnaught> pharpend: those weren't stupid questions :) check out the install manual though, and good luck
• 907[06:23:29] <okee> Is there a screen saver that doesn't have the annoying nag screen that XScreensaver has? I want to try something else? What are people using?
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• 916[06:28:02] <jmcnaught> okee: i think some people are using light-locker, or slock from the suckless-tools package. I don't use those or xscreensaver, as I use Gnome and GDM
• 917[06:28:34] <okee> How is the Gnome and GDM screensaver? I don't like XScreensaver.
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• 928[06:35:18] <jmcnaught> okee: I like Gnome, some people don't. The dynamic workspaces and lack of minimize take some getting used to, but you can make it more traditional with the Tweak Tool
• 929[06:35:58] <jmcnaught> okee: thare are no screensavers in the "animated stuff that kills your battery" sense, but there is a screen lock, and it will turn off your display when idle.
• 930[06:36:15] <okee> jmcnaught> I am only looking for a screensaver, an quite happy with XFCE. Also, I like LMDX because of its increased speed, but it isn't the best desktop for newbies, since it takes a little training.
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• 932[06:36:42] <okee> jmcnaught> I am on a desktop, and prefer to run LMDX when I am on a laptop/notebook.
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• 934[06:37:37] <jmcnaught> okee: good thing there are lots of options then eh? personally i don't find gnome slow
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• 936[06:38:15] <okee> LMDX is a little faster than the other desktop, but it takes special training.
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• 966[07:02:11] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. I suppose the question may be.. How do I get my systemd-nspawn container to have an IP /and/ be accessible at the same time? Right now, I'm using a macvtap-ethX, but even though that IP is unique, it's completely inaccessible, even to the host OS.
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• 970[07:05:16] <jml2> Psi-Jack, bah hahahaha
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• 972[07:05:46] <jml2> Psi-Jack, macvtaps are inaccessible from their bottom phys devices
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• 974[07:06:08] <jml2> Psi-Jack, there's "mode bridge" and "mode private" -- where multiple macvtaps can either talk or not talk to another
• 975[07:06:21] <jml2> Psi-Jack, thought you once said on irc you don't like debian XD lol
• 976[07:06:31] <Psi-Jack> jml2: That still holds true. :p
• 977[07:06:34] <jml2> Psi-Jack, caught ya :p
• 978[07:06:38] <Psi-Jack> I just use Debian for Proxmox VE.
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• 981[07:07:06] <Psi-Jack> It's okay to hate something, and still end up using it, cringing and all. :)
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• 984[07:08:10] <jml2> Psi-Jack, i dont use proxmox, but i use qemu+bash script commands with macvtaps ...
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• 986[07:08:25] <jml2> Psi-Jack, macvtaps are very isolating and advanced virtual devices
• 987[07:08:35] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I wanted to stick with nspawn because it's a lightweight container, using lxc and cgroups.
• 988[07:08:58] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, actually, it's a macvlan. hmmm.
• 989[07:09:06] <Psi-Jack> That could be why it's not working. heh.
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• 991[07:09:44] <Psi-Jack> I like nspawn too because I can easily provide a host directory to the container, which I'm planning to do as well, for the apt-cacher-ng data. :)
• 992[07:09:46] <jml2> Psi-Jack, i haven't use nspawn a lot, but I know you can use -b (boot) into a container (like a "chroot"), and you can even type "poweroff" or "shutdown -h now" inside it, but it won't shutdown the physical host
• 993[07:10:35] <Psi-Jack> I may even just utilize veth... And NAT the apt-cacher-ng over to the container.
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• 995[07:11:41] <jml2> Psi-Jack, can you use veth devices directly with lxc? i suppose you can right? i never used lxc that much -- just macvtaps+veth+ and tuntaps
• 996[07:11:59] <Psi-Jack> Well, veths are "private networking"
• 997[07:12:15] <jml2> Psi-Jack, you can hook extra veth devices to veth-veth pairs..
• 998[07:12:43] <jml2> Psi-Jack, i know end ip-addresses can be assigned to veth pairs...
• 999[07:12:56] <jml2> Psi-Jack, works like a bridge between network namespaces
• 1000[07:13:02] <jml2> (ip exec ns)
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• 1004[07:14:50] <Psi-Jack> I know the default C7 systemd-nspawn@.service uses --network-veth.. Hmm
• 1005[07:14:56] <jml2> Psi-Jack, hmm if you're dedicating VM's and have one VM to be an apt-cacher-ng server, there's really not much need for using nat
• 1006[07:15:22] <Psi-Jack> jml2: Except that my CentOS 7 VM is running the systemd-nspawn Debian jessie container. :)
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• 1008[07:15:56] <Psi-Jack> Along-side with my CentOS 7 VM running that, is my repo server containing all the CentOS 6 and 7 repos and 3rd-party repos I use.
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• 1010[07:16:44] <jml2> Psi-Jack, say you have 3 public ip VMs, --- If I want to secure networking public access to these machines separately, i use each macvtap with the "mode private" option, so that each macvtap can never talk to another.
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• 1012[07:17:23] <jml2> Psi-Jack, But let's say you want to "bridge" and share another network between them.. that's easy.. just make a "dummy" interface then use macvtaps "mode bridge" --
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• 1015[07:17:57] <jml2> Psi-Jack, so there's really not much need for doing nat .. i don't know the ideal way to do with this with the gui(proxmox)-- but i think its possible
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• 1017[07:19:27] <Psi-Jack> Well, the point for doing NAT would be for the repo server IP to handle bridging to the debian container running apt-cacher-ng.
• 1018[07:19:28] <jml2> Psi-Jack, or i suppose instead of a 'dummy' device you use just one of the ends of the veth pairs
• 1019[07:19:33] <Psi-Jack> Heh
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• 1021[07:19:48] <Psi-Jack> But, that assumes I can get the veth networking to even freaking work properly. :)
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• 1023[07:20:33] <jml2> Psi-Jack, you can test it out manually -- i mean on your own workstation with network namespaces ---
• 1024[07:20:42] <Psi-Jack> yep.
• 1025[07:20:43] <jml2> Psi-Jack, ip netns list
• 1026[07:20:59] <jml2> Psi-Jack, and you can even exec "bash" so that you don't have to keep typing "ip netns"
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• 1031[07:21:45] <Psi-Jack> Trying to figure out how to setup a network in veth mode in the nspawn, with networkd.
• 1032[07:21:50] <jml2> Psi-Jack, (man ip-netns) 'ip netns exec NETNSNAME command' << here if you do - ip netns exec namespacename /bin/bash (or bash) -- you can practice on one side of the veth pair
• 1033[07:22:18] <jml2> Psi-Jack, you need to make sure one side of the veth pair is in one network namespace..
• 1034[07:22:36] <jml2> Psi-Jack, and it's easy, because you just can list it with ->> "ip -d link show" -- it should say "veth" type
• 1035[07:22:49] <jml2> Psi-Jack, the "-d" option is not very well known with "ip"
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• 1038[07:23:14] <jml2> Psi-Jack, you type "ip -d link show" in that namespace, and you'll see if a veth-pair end has been allocated there
• 1039[07:23:18] <Psi-Jack> Hmm yeah, I see the veth. host0@if7
• 1040[07:23:30] <jml2> Psi-Jack, also
• 1041[07:24:12] <jml2> Psi-Jack, in order for veth to work , both sides need to have the interfaces up --- if they're have like macvtaps on them, and they're just acting like loose bridges--- you can manually bring them up like --> "ip link set <veth inerfaces> up"
• 1042[07:24:20] <jml2> Psi-Jack, both sides need to be up
• 1043[07:24:37] <jml2> Psi-Jack, but i think whatever tool you're using should be doing this for you automatically
• 1044[07:24:49] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, systemd-nspawn is.
• 1045[07:24:53] <jml2> Psi-Jack, ... and if you got any macavtaps or whatever connected to the veths, those links have to be up as well
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• 1047[07:26:28] <Psi-Jack> Heh, funny.
• 1048[07:26:50] <Psi-Jack> With the host OS enabling ip_forward, other hosts can not ping it, but still not the host OS itself.
• 1049[07:26:52] <jml2> i know here, because i'm not using any automagic libvirt tool, here I have to manually (this is very special for macvtaps) -- ensure that I have "set the macaddress" from the physical host console, before the VM can use it. the VM needs to have the same macaddress as the macvtap otherwise traffic will not work
• 1050[07:28:03] <jml2> Psi-Jack, you should be able to use tcpdump on veth interfaces
• 1051[07:29:01] <jml2> Psi-Jack, but if the mavvcatp on eg, "vethb" (of vetha-vethb), is in "mode private", you can't use tcpdump on vethb, if traffic is coming from one of its upper attached devices..
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• 1055[07:29:58] <jml2> Psi-Jack, i think i've seen some setups where the default route is "127.0.0.1" in lxc related vps containers
• 1056[07:30:23] <Psi-Jack> Heh sheash.
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• 1059[07:31:00] <jml2> Psi-Jack, it's easy to test.. you just ping the host's end ip.. and check with arp
• 1060[07:31:13] <jml2> Psi-Jack, if there's any "ip firewall", often arp traffic still goes through..
• 1061[07:31:32] <jml2> Psi-Jack, arp -n should show something.. if not, then your veth pair interfaces are not fully up
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• 1063[07:31:47] <Psi-Jack> ip neigh
• 1064[07:32:01] <Psi-Jack> arp is obsolete like the rest of net-utils. :)
• 1065[07:32:12] <jml2> tehehe
• 1066[07:32:21] <jml2> iproute2!
• 1067[07:32:53] <jml2> geek!
• 1068[07:32:54] <Psi-Jack> heh, still funny I can access the container from remote hosts, but not directly from the host OS.
• 1069[07:33:04] <Psi-Jack> With ip_forward enabled.
• 1070[07:33:08] <jml2> Psi-Jack, I explained that
• 1071[07:33:15] <jml2> Psi-Jack, right when i came in :)
• 1072[07:33:40] <jml2> Psi-Jack, macvtaps are special.. they're designed like that.. it's also documented with redhat.. RH is the one behind creating these devices
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• 1077[07:34:31] <jml2> Psi-Jack, all the new virtual devices makes the old brctl utility completely obsolete..
• 1078[07:34:40] <Psi-Jack> heh
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• 1082[07:35:14] <jml2> Psi-Jack, at least to me it does-- here I've been using "openvswitch" in place of brctl
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• 1084[07:35:27] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I have been doing some of that on my proxmox ve server lately as well.
• 1085[07:35:36] <Psi-Jack> Still haven't converted everything to it, but from what I tested, not bad.
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• 1089[07:38:30] <jml2> Psi-Jack, it's also good for networks in general... with openvswitch, you simply hook "eth0", add a tuntap, and "throw all in and out eth0" traffic as a "mirror" towards the tuntap.. no traffic ever exits the tuntap.. what this is good for is a low-cost intrusion detection system.. it might not be ideal as it can't take immediate pro-action but you can see everything coming in and out of your network
• 1090[07:39:30] <jml2> Psi-Jack, and "securely" because the snort or whatever VM system you've got setup can never send traffic back out of the tuntap (you set the mirroring-in restriction from the ovs host)
• 1091[07:39:58] <jml2> it's also not at all hard to do.. but many people dont know how easy it is to
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• 1100[07:44:13] <junkatown> when i install a pkg from a diff release with apt pinning, does that mean i will from now on get updates from that release for that package with upgrade?
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• 1102[07:44:49] <Psi-Jack> Eh, I'll have to work on t his tomorrow. Yawning too much which means.. Bed time.
• 1103[07:45:05] <jml2> Psi-Jack, maybe you can tell me what you tried..
• 1104[07:45:09] <jml2> Psi-Jack, lol
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• 1107[07:45:38] <jml2> Psi-Jack, if you setup the ip address on the "host", just ping it from the vm side
• 1108[07:45:54] <jml2> Psi-Jack, if "arp -n" (ip neigh) shows nothing, then the link is not set up
• 1109[07:45:59] <jml2> Psi-Jack, it's that simple
• 1110[07:47:00] <jml2> Psi-Jack, you can run "bash" from the namespace (ip netns exec namespace /bin/bash , and execute "ping" from there
• 1111[07:47:14] <jml2> Psi-Jack, if that doesn't work, then nat will never work
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• 1113[07:48:02] <jmcnaught> junkatown: if you're installing something from testing/unstable on debian stable, the answer is that it's not recommened at all. pinning is difficult to get right, and often causes more problems. a better way (if the package isn't available in backports) would be to try and backport it yourself. "/msg dpkg ssb" for some simple instructions for that
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• 1116[07:50:32] <jml2> Psi-Jack, if you're trying to do nat over macvtap (macvtap-on-eth), and trying to reach the host.. it's not going to work
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• 1119[07:51:13] <jml2> Psi-Jack, i know for "mode private" it won't.. as for "mode bridge" you can double check this
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• 1121[07:51:56] <jml2> Psi-Jack, replaced-url
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• 1130[07:57:02] <jml2> Psi-Jack, also don't be using "macvtaps" on "eth0" -- if that "eth0" is inside a VM- I think I tried this awhile ago and that doesn't work. So when you wake up and read this take note ;-)
• 1131[07:57:05] <jml2> lol
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• 1142[08:03:40] <MaBunny> Hey guys
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• 1145[08:04:00] <MaBunny> TomTomTosch i did wht you asked
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• 1147[08:04:14] <MaBunny> But it still says failed
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• 1149[08:04:34] <jml2> MaBunny, i think he left
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• 1151[08:04:47] <MaBunny> Ok
• 1152[08:04:51] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny: what else did it say?
• 1153[08:04:57] <MaBunny> No
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• 1155[08:05:09] <MaBunny> I cant type tht again
• 1156[08:05:17] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny: did you look at the error console like jmcnaught said?
• 1157[08:05:27] <MaBunny> No
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• 1159[08:05:32] <MaBunny> Will check
• 1160[08:05:58] <MaBunny> Ctrl+alt+f5???
• 1161[08:06:55] <TomTomTosch> alt + some f, can't remember.
• 1162[08:07:01] <MaBunny> Pls
• 1163[08:07:11] <MaBunny> Someone
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• 1166[08:07:44] <jml2> tehehe
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• 1168[08:07:52] <jml2> "some f"
• 1169[08:07:54] <jml2> ??
• 1170[08:07:57] <jml2> hmm
• 1171[08:08:06] <jml2> that's awkward advice!
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• 1178[08:09:03] <TomTomTosch> it's not like there are too many VTs...
• 1179[08:09:08] <MaBunny> Ok
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• 1182[08:09:30] <MaBunny> Wht,f5 or f1
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• 1185[08:10:07] <jelly> MaBunny: it's probably not too hard to try them all
• 1186[08:10:21] <MaBunny> Ok will try
• 1187[08:10:24] <MaBunny> Srry
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• 1213[08:23:58] <Sachin> Anyone available??
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• 1216[08:26:15] <cafuego> Available?
• 1217[08:26:19] <cafuego> Like for a date?
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• 1219[08:26:43] <jim> Hello luomio and welcome to #debian
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• 1221[08:27:05] <jim> Hello DomaMuffin and welcome to #debian
• 1222[08:27:05] <jim> Hello DomaMuffin and welcome to #debian
• 1223[08:27:24] <Sachin> Haha... Funny. My bad. I'm actually looking for some help
• 1224[08:27:35] <cafuego> Sachin: heh - well, ask away.
• 1225[08:27:49] <cafuego> Sachin: Anyone who knows the answer and is awake may help :-)
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• 1231[08:29:17] <jim> Hello hqh and welcome to #debian
• 1232[08:29:17] <jim> Hello hqh and welcome to #debian
• 1233[08:29:18] * TomTomTosch still has bruises from the last time he asked a metaquestion.
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• 1235[08:29:26] <jim> Hello luomio and welcome to #debian
• 1236[08:29:26] <jim> Hello luomio and welcome to #debian
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• 1238[08:29:39] <cafuego> jim: is that a script? Can you turn it off?
• 1239[08:29:52] <Sachin> I don't know how I can say this better - I want to start contributing to Debian. Where should I start??
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• 1241[08:30:23] <cafuego> Sachin: easiest is probably testing and filing bug reports.
• 1242[08:30:30] <cafuego> Sachin: Of helping on documentation.
• 1243[08:30:42] <TomTomTosch> Sachin: replaced-url
• 1244[08:30:43] <cafuego> Sachin: More advanced is helping by packaging software.
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• 1246[08:31:25] <Sachin> What about solving those bugs??
• 1247[08:31:41] <cafuego> If you can fix the bugs rather than just find them, better still :-)
• 1248[08:31:46] <TomTomTosch> you can do that by adding a patch to the report.
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• 1251[08:32:33] <jim> Hello luomio and welcome to #debian
• 1252[08:32:33] <jim> Hello luomio and welcome to #debian
• 1253[08:32:56] <jim> oh, it's doing something? I though I turned it off, sec
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• 1256[08:33:17] <Sachin> Thanks guys. You're awesome!!
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• 1258[08:33:33] * cafuego blames TomTomTosch
• 1259[08:33:35] <jim> it's gone
• 1260[08:33:38] <cafuego> jim: ta
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• 1263[08:34:19] <jim> cafuego, just now learning how to script, I need it for ##linux
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• 1272[08:36:44] <jim> wait, I commented that out... sigh.
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• 1323[09:02:51] <MaBunny> Hey guys
• 1324[09:03:01] <MaBunny> Im inside the terminal
• 1325[09:03:40] <MaBunny> N all im seeing is doesnt exist or again tht
• 1326[09:03:59] <MaBunny> I mean 'di-utils-shell'
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• 1329[09:04:28] <MaBunny> Hey any help???
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• 1332[09:05:30] <MaBunny> It also says no missing firmware in loaded kernel modules
• 1333[09:06:35] <MaBunny> And mounting /dev/sr0 on /cdrom failed: no medium found
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• 1336[09:07:10] <MaBunny> Unknown udeb jessie-support
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• 1338[09:07:37] <MaBunny> Package doesnt exist
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• 1342[09:08:00] <MaBunny> Menu item di-utils-shell selected
• 1343[09:08:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1668
• 1344[09:09:07] <MaBunny> Menu item di-utils-shell succeeded but requested to be left unconfigured
• 1345[09:09:25] <MaBunny> TomTomTosch???jmcnaught???
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• 1347[09:09:50] <Ragav> Guys i am trying to use following package on debian system.. pamditherbw,pamtopnm,pango-view. In previous debian( Squeeze ) all packages were available under netpbm. However, when we upgraded our system to jessie these packages are missing. Need some guidance on this.
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• 1349[09:10:06] <MaBunny> Resolver (libgcc1) : package doesnt exit
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• 1352[09:11:37] <MaBunny> Guys really need your help
• 1353[09:11:56] <MaBunny> Hav been on this the whole night
• 1354[09:12:59] <MaBunny> TomTomTosch are you there bro???
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• 1356[09:13:40] <snookmz> what is your cources.list file say?
• 1357[09:13:50] <MaBunny> Im in install
• 1358[09:13:58] <MaBunny> Installation
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• 1360[09:14:06] <snookmz> usually package doesn't exist means that you don't have a package that matches that in your sources.list
• 1361[09:14:36] <Ragav> snookmz: is that msg for me
• 1362[09:14:53] <MaBunny> I selected the mirror
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• 1366[09:15:16] <snookmz> Ragav: no it wasn't, I'll look at what you're saying and try and respond
• 1367[09:15:29] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny: so you don't have an internet connection?
• 1368[09:15:34] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: it's rude to summon people like that. If you're having a problem, describe it in detail. I remember telling you to look at tty4 for clues when things go wrong. If nothing has gone wrong yet, the messages there could be irrelevant.
• 1369[09:15:35] <MaBunny> I hav
• 1370[09:16:04] <MaBunny> Thts really hurtening you kno
• 1371[09:16:12] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: If something has gone wrong, describe the problem, don't just tell us a bunch of random messages that you're seeing
• 1372[09:16:25] <MaBunny> Being awake the whole night n shit
• 1373[09:16:49] <MaBunny> I went to the terminal
• 1374[09:16:52] <snookmz> Ragav: I need to know more steps. Did you upgrade, re-install?
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• 1376[09:17:06] <MaBunny> And found wht it said
• 1377[09:17:20] <MaBunny> And i wrote above
• 1378[09:17:40] <MaBunny> I did the steps tht was told me to do
• 1379[09:18:12] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: are you at a part in the installer that is failing?
• 1380[09:18:14] <MaBunny> And i dont kno wht the heck tty4 is n how to get there
• 1381[09:18:22] <MaBunny> Yeah
• 1382[09:18:34] <MaBunny> Select and install software
• 1383[09:18:41] <MaBunny> Its maddening!!!
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• 1387[09:19:28] <MaBunny> Hmmm
• 1388[09:20:07] <MaBunny> ????
• 1389[09:20:19] <MaBunny> Guys pls anyone
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• 1391[09:20:44] <MaBunny> Its happening to me for like 3 days lmao
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• 1393[09:21:11] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: try something like this: At the select and install software screen I selected ____ and ____, and then it did ____ and gave me a message that says _____. Earlier I also got erros about ____. When I check tty4 by hiting Alt+F4 there are messages that say _____ which I searched google for and I think are related.
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• 1395[09:21:26] <MaBunny> Ok thnx
• 1396[09:21:34] <MaBunny> Well
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• 1402[09:22:39] <mew007> hello all
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• 1405[09:23:00] <Ragav> nookmz: This a new install my conversion script uses these binaries for image text to image process. Seems missing in debian 8
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• 1409[09:23:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> I'm using SuperStart a FireFox addon, how can I sync its preferences using btsync to other machines?
• 1410[09:24:34] <mew007> I got this screen: replaced-url
• 1411[09:24:39] <mew007> what does it mean?
• 1412[09:25:10] <MaBunny> At the select and install screen i applied for the poll-thing and after some time,a window came where i had to select. In tht window i selected Desktop manager,Gnome,Ssh server,Base system utilities. So it went on downloading 1430 packages(exactly) and i downloaded thm with interruptions,but it did download thm all.but then i got an error saying it failed at tht step
• 1413[09:25:27] <MaBunny> Ok
• 1414[09:25:32] <MaBunny> Thts all
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• 1416[09:26:41] <MaBunny> And i wont be calling someones name :)
• 1417[09:27:03] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: when you got the message saying it failed, did it say anything else? what were the most recent messages on tty4 (Alt+F4)?
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• 1420[09:27:14] <MaBunny> Wait
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• 1423[09:27:32] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: it's fine to address someone like i'm doing now when you're talking with them, but don't come back hours later and summon them please
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• 1427[09:28:14] <MaBunny> I pressed alt+f4 jmcnaught but it didnt take me to any screen
• 1428[09:28:23] <MaBunny> Really
• 1429[09:29:05] <MaBunny> Ok
• 1430[09:29:18] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: are you in the graphical installer? use ctrl+alt+f4. it'll probably be alt+f7 to get back
• 1431[09:29:25] <MaBunny> Ctrl+alt+f4 takes me to a screen
• 1432[09:29:30] <MaBunny> Okkkk
• 1433[09:29:39] <MaBunny> I said tht above
• 1434[09:29:57] <MaBunny> Would you pls mind taking a look above??
• 1435[09:30:01] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: what are the most recent messages at the bottom of the screen?
• 1436[09:30:09] <MaBunny> Wait
• 1437[09:30:32] <MaBunny> Menu item di-utils-shell selected
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• 1439[09:31:01] <aindilis> how does one lock a screen in debian and simultaneously display a message?
• 1440[09:31:10] <aindilis> xlock -info "Message"
• 1441[09:31:12] <MaBunny> Menu item di-utils-shell succeeded but requested to be left unconfigured
• 1442[09:31:16] <aindilis> but I can't find xlock
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• 1444[09:31:56] <MaBunny> Resolver (libgcc1): package doesnt exist(ignored)
• 1445[09:32:07] <MaBunny> Thts all jmcnaught
• 1446[09:32:20] <MaBunny> Last 3 msgs
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• 1451[09:33:20] <TomTomTosch> aindilis: depends on what screensaver you use. there is no xlock in jessie.
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• 1453[09:33:52] <aindilis> TomTomTosch: well xscreensaver-command or gnome-screensaver-command
• 1454[09:34:39] <MaBunny> Well
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• 1458[09:35:22] <TomTomTosch> aindilis: open xscreensaver-demo -> advanced -> text
• 1459[09:35:26] <aindilis> ty!
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• 1463[09:36:27] <MaBunny> Jmcnaught any ideas???
• 1464[09:36:28] <MaBunny> Srry if im being impatient
• 1465[09:36:32] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: sorry, i don't know. try researching messages you find on that tty4. it could be related to a choice you made earlier in the installer. maybe you should consider using a larger disk image, or selecting fewer tasks on the "select and install" part
• 1466[09:36:48] <MaBunny> Ok
• 1467[09:37:00] <MaBunny> But i hav 12gb as root
• 1468[09:37:17] <MaBunny> N i hav tried earlier other options
• 1469[09:37:45] <MaBunny> Any ideas?? Maybe a diff mirror???
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• 1472[09:38:15] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: use a larger root, select less software. you can install more later after you get a successful install
• 1473[09:38:23] <MaBunny> Ok
• 1474[09:38:28] <MaBunny> Will try
• 1475[09:38:34] <MaBunny> Thnx :)
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• 1477[09:38:55] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: use the "guided partitioning, all in one partition" option
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• 1483[09:42:05] <MaBunny> No hav used Manual option
• 1484[09:42:13] <MaBunny> Am cool with it ;)
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• 1486[09:43:19] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: well clearly you keep failing to install, so stick to the defaults as much as possible, install less stuff, just get a basic system installed that you can boot into and install more later
• 1487[09:43:56] <MaBunny> Well but i wanted swap space as im on 2gb ram
• 1488[09:44:07] <MaBunny> Just 700mb swap
• 1489[09:44:23] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: just go with what the guided partitioning recommends
• 1490[09:44:24] <MaBunny> Out of 15.7gb
• 1491[09:44:33] <MaBunny> :D
• 1492[09:44:38] <MaBunny> Srry
• 1493[09:44:52] <MaBunny> But lets see wht happens
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• 1495[09:45:26] <MaBunny> Ok will be back when something happens
• 1496[09:46:52] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: good luck, i'll be asleep. i recommend not installing a desktop environment at all, wait and do that after the first reboot when you can run "df -h" to see how much space you have, and compare it to how much space apt-get says will get used
• 1497[09:47:10] <MaBunny> Ok
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• 1499[09:47:26] <MaBunny> Jmcnaught
• 1500[09:47:45] <MaBunny> Will i dont install gnome???
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• 1502[09:48:11] <MaBunny> Ok
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• 1504[09:48:25] <TomTomTosch> you have to untick debian desktop environment too.
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• 1506[09:50:02] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: only select standard utilities, and maybe ssh server if you have another computer. leave everything else unchecked.
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• 1513[09:54:54] <MaBunny> Ok jmcnaught
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• 1529[10:05:33] <yolan> do you know how to talk to a specific user?
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• 1534[10:08:26] <Kartagis> yes I do
• 1535[10:08:39] <Kartagis> keep eye contact at all timers
• 1536[10:08:41] <yolan> Kartagis, coool
• 1537[10:08:48] <yolan> oO
• 1538[10:08:50] <Kartagis> times*
• 1539[10:09:02] <yolan> ahaha, ok
• 1540[10:09:06] <Kartagis> oh, you mean on IRC?
• 1541[10:09:10] <yolan> funny, but seriously
• 1542[10:09:15] <yolan> yea on IRC dude ahaha :p
• 1543[10:09:42] <Kartagis> type the nick's a few first characters then hit Tab
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• 1545[10:09:56] <yolan> Like, private messaging someone, who is not in the same channel as me
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• 1547[10:10:14] <Kartagis> /msg nick
• 1548[10:10:19] <Kartagis> /msg nick hey dude
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• 1554[10:11:43] <donttrustem> Hey guy’s …. learning D8 at the moment and I have created a views block but it is not displaying in the block layout
• 1555[10:12:03] <Kartagis> donttrustem: you're in #debian
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• 1557[10:12:16] <donttrustem> Oops!
• 1558[10:12:20] <donttrustem> sorry
• 1559[10:12:23] <Kartagis> np
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• 1625[10:40:25] <war9407> debian testing breaks bind: replaced-url
• 1626[10:40:32] <war9407> anyone have this issue also?
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• 1632[10:44:22] <wallbroken> hi
• 1633[10:44:22] <wallbroken> how to rename a directory?
• 1634[10:44:42] <wallbroken> mv -R openvpn2 openvpn ?
• 1635[10:44:43] <rozie> man rename, man mv
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• 1637[10:45:07] <bezaban> war9407: it seems that this behaviour was introduced in 9.9.7
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• 1640[10:45:40] <bezaban> war9407: if you are referencing the same file by multiple entries/zones?
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• 1642[10:45:54] <wallbroken> root@OpenWrt:/# mv openvpn2/ openvpn
• 1643[10:45:56] <wallbroken> mv: can't rename 'openvpn2/': Not a directory
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• 1645[10:46:38] <Kartagis> wallbroken: try leaving out /
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• 1647[10:46:57] <wallbroken> it's the same
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• 1652[10:47:55] <Stummi> wallbroken, what does "file openvpn2 say"?
• 1653[10:47:57] <Kartagis> wallbroken: ls
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• 1655[10:48:01] <Stummi> *wallbroken, what does "file openvpn2" say?
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• 1658[10:48:22] <wallbroken> there is not "file" command
• 1659[10:48:37] <Stummi> okay, ls -l?
• 1660[10:48:42] <wallbroken> root@OpenWrt:/# ls
• 1661[10:48:44] <wallbroken> bin etc mnt openvpn overlay rom sbin tmp var znc
• 1662[10:48:44] <wallbroken> dev lib noip openvpn2 proc root sys usr replaced-url
• 1663[10:48:50] <Kartagis> ls -l
• 1664[10:48:51] <wallbroken> openvpn is a file
• 1665[10:48:55] <wallbroken> openvpn is a dir
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• 1667[10:49:14] <TomTomTosch> every unix has a file command.
• 1668[10:49:18] <wallbroken> replaced-url
• 1669[10:49:24] <war9407> bezaban: checking
• 1670[10:49:27] <Stummi> wallbroken, you want to override/delete the openvpn file?
• 1671[10:49:34] <wallbroken> no
• 1672[10:49:58] <Stummi> wallbroken, you can't rename openvpn2 to openvpn, because openvpn exists already (as file)
• 1673[10:50:00] <Kartagis> heh trying to rename a directory to a file
• 1674[10:50:03] <war9407> bezaban: yes that is correct- I have an external and internal zone
• 1675[10:50:16] <war9407> bezaban: did you know the recommended fix?
• 1676[10:50:20] <wallbroken> Stummi, ok
• 1677[10:50:25] <wallbroken> yes, now it works
• 1678[10:50:37] <wallbroken> TomTomTosch, it's Openwrt
• 1679[10:50:45] <bezaban> war9407: use separate files for separate zones
• 1680[10:50:47] <wallbroken> it's not unix
• 1681[10:50:58] <war9407> got it, thx
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• 1683[10:51:20] <bezaban> war9407: apparently it used to work, but 9.9.7 actually starts complaining :) I'm just referencing replaced-url
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• 1686[10:51:40] <war9407> bezaban: excellent catch, thank you!
• 1687[10:51:52] <Stummi> wallbroken, openwrt is unix.
• 1688[10:51:54] <bezaban> war9407: :)
• 1689[10:52:04] <Stummi> (its not debian though, so you are wrong here anyway)
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• 1691[10:53:39] <reev> Hii, I need working sources.list file for debian 6.0.6 version, where can i find it ??
• 1692[10:53:56] <TomTomTosch> !squeeze sources.list
• 1693[10:53:56] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 1699[10:58:40] <lulu84> bonjour !
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• 1724[11:07:26] <gattler> Hi all, I'm trying to prepare a debian rootfs and I want to install a service that starts automatically
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• 1726[11:07:39] <jelly> carel: you want to ask here in the public channel, not in private messages
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• 1729[11:08:01] <gattler> To do so, i've created a symlink "/etc/rc2.d/S03myservice -> /etc/init.d/myservice"
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• 1732[11:08:14] <gattler> but it never starts
• 1733[11:08:18] <gattler> am I missing something?
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• 1736[11:08:38] <gattler> doin a "/etc/init.d/myserver start" works fine on the running system
• 1737[11:08:54] <bogus-> what version are you running?
• 1738[11:09:10] <gattler> jessie
• 1739[11:09:12] <Lakii> update-rc.d myservice enable
• 1740[11:09:17] <gattler> Lakii: no
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• 1742[11:09:21] <gattler> I can't do that
• 1743[11:09:34] <gattler> I'm not on a live system, I just have the rootfs
• 1744[11:09:37] <gattler> and I'm not using systemd
• 1745[11:09:42] <bogus-> ah ok
• 1746[11:09:49] <bogus-> that would be my second question :)
• 1747[11:09:54] <gattler> ;)
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• 1749[11:10:15] <gattler> sp I guess "update-rc.d myservice enable" does more than setting the symlinks
• 1750[11:10:49] <bogus-> isn't 3 the default runlevel?
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• 1752[11:11:26] <bogus-> ah, no 2
• 1753[11:11:31] <gattler> During boot it prints "INIT: Entering runlevel: 2"
• 1754[11:12:06] <bogus-> you're right
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• 1762[11:14:50] <sativouf> gattler: that should work AFAIK, but why couldn't you chroot() into the rootfs and do an update-rc.d here ?
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• 1768[11:16:14] <gattler> sativouf: It's cross-architectuire
• 1769[11:16:29] <gattler> I could to it with qemu, but that
• 1770[11:16:38] <gattler> that is to complicated
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• 1772[11:16:43] <DeaDSouL> `ls -l` will show the name of the user and group of the files ... how can I view the uid, gid of that file instead of the user,group names ?
• 1773[11:16:48] <sativouf> yeah, plus I doubt update-rc.d does anything more than setting the symlink
• 1774[11:16:56] <gattler> weird
• 1775[11:17:52] <sativouf> DeaDSouL: man ls -> /uid
• 1776[11:18:39] <DeaDSouL> sativouf: -n ... thanks :)
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• 1834[11:46:37] <tako> can i play windows game with wine ?
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• 1843[11:52:11] <towo^work> tako, depends
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• 1846[11:53:24] <tako> towo^work, and i have optimus i should run the wine game with primusrun
• 1847[11:53:44] <gattler> tako: replaced-url
• 1848[11:53:53] <gattler> there you'll find a list of programs
• 1849[11:53:58] <gattler> you can run with wine
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• 1851[11:54:44] <tako> gattler, Well but how is their performance ?
• 1852[11:55:09] <gattler> that depends on your system
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• 1857[11:55:56] <Pr0metheus> i have a dual boot pc (debian and windows 10). In debian i get lots of lag when surfing web pages. I googled but couldn't find something helpful. Any idea what i can look?
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• 1859[11:57:03] <Pr0metheus> ps: i installed the non-free firmware that was missing (realtek)
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• 1866[12:00:15] <Kartagis> heh
• 1867[12:00:39] <tako> i remove /wine directory but my old wine applications still have shourtcut
• 1868[12:00:53] <Kartagis> installing VMs with KVM fails when installing debian
• 1869[12:00:58] <Kartagis> how come?
• 1870[12:01:07] <jim> Pr0metheus, is the problem related to the fact you dual boot?
• 1871[12:01:55] <jim> Kartagis, what do you mean "fail"? exactly what happens?
• 1872[12:03:06] <jim> exactly how do you install?
• 1873[12:03:31] <jim> using what, an image? an iso (which is an image I guess)?
• 1874[12:04:32] <jim> if it is an image, which is it? what is the url you downloaded it from?
• 1875[12:04:36] <LadyInRed> Guys which linux image should i choose???
• 1876[12:04:39] <Kartagis> virt-install --virt-type kvm --name topkapi --location replaced-url
• 1877[12:04:39] <Kartagis> ERROR Error validating install location: Could not find an installable distribution at 'replaced-url
• 1878[12:04:39] <Kartagis> The location must be the root directory of an install tree.
• 1879[12:04:44] <Kartagis> jim: ^
• 1880[12:04:50] <thewhitehat> !paste
• 1881[12:04:50] <LadyInRed> 586 or 686
• 1882[12:04:50] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 1883[12:05:16] <tako> Kartagis, pm me
• 1884[12:05:23] <Kartagis> replaced-url
• 1885[12:05:29] <Kartagis> tako: one sec
• 1886[12:07:35] <jim> I tried to get kvm to use an image for the netinstall... and it booted the image! then, it tried to find my disks, which were hidden behind virtualization
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• 1888[12:08:07] <jim> what it tried to find, was which disk controller I had
• 1889[12:08:27] <Pr0metheus> jim: how i can tell this?
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• 1891[12:08:52] <Kartagis> jim: so, my command worked for you?
• 1892[12:09:37] <jim> well I had the image already stored in the kvm pools
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• 1895[12:10:38] <Kartagis> jim: the same exact command works if I pass an ubuntu installed
• 1896[12:10:46] <Kartagis> installer
• 1897[12:10:51] <Kartagis> any ideas?
• 1898[12:12:56] <jim> so it booted from that image, and the image started... I could never get disk space defined for it... so I found where the image was stored in the pool, and I wrote the image to a real usb stick (well really a card reader and an microsd card), and then booted that, not in any kvm anything, and I could install at that point because it could see my disks
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• 1903[12:17:46] <towo^work> LadyInRed, why you want 32bit installed?
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• 1908[12:21:02] <Kartagis> jim: how can I see what the pool is?
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• 1911[12:21:56] <jim> do you have virt-manager?
• 1912[12:22:16] <Kartagis> jim: yep
• 1913[12:22:23] <shann_> Hi, i put my package in mentors, put i have error with debhelper and watch file but then execute "lintian -cv" in local not problem, i remove package and reimport them solve problem. (It's a bug of mentors ?)
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• 1915[12:22:57] <jim> is it running? I think your storage pools are listed on the left if you've defined them
• 1916[12:23:36] <Kartagis> jim: this is remote, not local
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• 1918[12:24:27] <jim> if remote is that different, I probably am not familiar enough with it
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• 1957[12:35:29] <fennesz> Hello is there any option to change contrast , color balance etc for a laptop. I am using Debian 8
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• 1960[12:37:01] <Kartagis> jim: I mean I can't fire up virt-manager to look at it
• 1961[12:37:13] <Kartagis> I am ssh'd in
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• 1966[12:40:20] <BigMiCR0> Could someone please give me some advice with a Debian problem.
• 1967[12:40:41] <BigMiCR0> I am running Jessie inside vmware, on VMXNET 3 & on change of network cards and reboot no data is being written into 70-persistent-net.rules
• 1968[12:41:09] <BigMiCR0> It is never made no matter what I do? open-vm-tools are install but on clone the whole interface has not been rebuilt.
• 1969[12:41:33] <BigMiCR0> lib/udev/write_net_rules all_interfaces returns missing $INTERFACE
• 1970[12:42:00] <BigMiCR0> udevadm trigger --typer=devices --action=change does not help
• 1971[12:42:24] <BigMiCR0> ifconfig shows 1 interface eth0 which i setup when I installed Debian
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• 1973[12:42:44] <BigMiCR0> ifconfig -a shows all the correct interfaces that they should be.
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• 1975[12:43:46] <reev> dpkg: thanks
• 1976[12:43:47] <dpkg> reev: bitte
• 1977[12:43:49] <BigMiCR0> Reinitialize of MAC address are done when the box is cloned there are no duplication and they are set as can be seen in ifconfig -a
• 1978[12:44:00] <reev> dpkg: ??
• 1979[12:44:00] <dpkg> reev: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
• 1980[12:44:10] <reev> dpkg: np
• 1981[12:44:11] <dpkg> somebody said np was "no problem" or "null pointer" or "Now Playing"
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• 1983[12:44:25] <reev> dpkg: No problem
• 1984[12:44:25] <dpkg> reev: i don't know
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• 1986[12:44:40] <reev> dpkg: good day
• 1987[12:44:40] <dpkg> methinks good day is a greeting often used by the people of Australia
• 1988[12:44:42] <markybob> reev: dpkg is a bot
• 1989[12:44:55] <reev> markybob: ohh
• 1990[12:45:01] <reev> i didn't know that
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• 1992[12:45:56] <dagerik> both /etc/group and /etc/gshadow lists groups for a user. why this separation
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• 1995[12:49:01] <cafuego> "g'day" is not two words
• 1996[12:49:06] <cafuego> if anything, it's half a word.
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• 2000[12:49:51] <BigMiCR0> anyone got any ideas?
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• 2003[12:50:31] <cafuego> any ideas?
• 2004[12:50:42] <cafuego> aww
• 2005[12:51:02] <thewhitehat> Plenty. Probably none that are useful.
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• 2033[13:05:18] <jim> Kartagis, oh, didn't realize you replied... so the actual deal, is I got super lucky, I picked a cpu that kvm would just work with, but then when I tried to define storage space for what could originally have been a vm, I couldn't at that time find out how the whole system of disk space and kvm worked... so I kinda gave up on kvm for a little while (my real goal was to install a real debian of a different arch anyway, and I did that)
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• 2063[13:16:31] <wallbroken> i want to create a script in /etc/init.d/ to start /bin/amuled
• 2064[13:16:38] <wallbroken> on boot
• 2065[13:16:42] <wallbroken> how to do?
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• 2071[13:17:31] <thewhitehat> wallbroken: What version of Debian?
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• 2073[13:18:07] <wallbroken> it's an old one
• 2074[13:18:14] <thewhitehat> wallbroken: That's not really an answer.
• 2075[13:18:16] <wallbroken> without systemd
• 2076[13:18:29] <wallbroken> i have no way to know it right now
• 2077[13:18:35] <wallbroken> but it's about 2012
• 2078[13:18:50] <BenNZ> wallbroken: whats the output of cat /etc/issue
• 2079[13:19:09] <wallbroken> [13:18] <wallbroken> i have no way to know it right now
• 2080[13:19:20] <thewhitehat> wallbroken: You should be able to find plenty of documentation on how to build an initscript on the internet. It's extensively documented.
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• 2092[13:25:43] <DeaDSouL> how can I run a script, everytime a particular usb-drive is being plugged-in ?
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• 2094[13:26:50] <Kiril> hello
• 2095[13:27:08] <Brigo> DeaDSouL, the only way i know is with dealing with udev configuration.
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• 2097[13:27:21] <Kiril> i have got this message: cannot create temp file for here-document: Read-only file system
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• 2101[13:31:18] <jelly> Kiril: which debian release? Which command line gives that? Is there any other info?
• 2102[13:31:20] <jelly> !ask
• 2103[13:31:20] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 2104[13:31:44] <Kiril> no matter what command i will use
• 2105[13:31:49] <Kiril> just showed in console
• 2106[13:33:15] <Kiril> version is 8.4
• 2107[13:33:17] <jelly> Kiril: so, you run "ls" and it shows that output, and nothing else?
• 2108[13:33:35] <Kiril> nah, for example cat /etc/debian_version
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• 2111[13:34:17] <jelly> Kiril: does ls -l work?
• 2112[13:34:24] <Kiril> yep
• 2113[13:34:45] <jelly> Kiril: what about /bin/cat /etc/debian_version ?
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• 2115[13:35:36] <Kiril> works
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• 2117[13:36:19] <clueless> Hey All, kinda simple question but if i restart ssh would that affect samba connections in any way?
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• 2126[13:39:41] <towo^work> clueless, why should it?
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• 2139[13:43:26] <Kiril> jelly
• 2140[13:43:28] <Kiril> example
• 2141[13:43:29] <Kiril> rcconf
• 2142[13:43:29] <Kiril> sh: 1: cannot create /tmp/rc-select.16764: Read-only file system
• 2143[13:43:29] <Kiril> Cancelled or /usr/bin/whiptail execution error(512)
• 2144[13:43:37] <epsilon> if you tunnel samba traffic through ssh, yes. otherwise no
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• 2152[13:47:57] <harajuko> the restart of ssh daemon do not affects the active connection
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• 2212[14:14:18] <aricz> Hi, we've messed up an installation of debian 5.0.2a .. I remember someone here sent a command to the bot and it gave us the correct sources.list links
• 2213[14:14:28] <aricz> anyone know what I'm talking about? :)
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• 2217[14:15:33] <SPF> !tell aricz about sources.list
• 2218[14:15:57] <bezaban> you can also do per distro I think, what is 5, etch?
• 2219[14:16:03] <bezaban> lenny
• 2220[14:16:04] <aricz> almost, but we need for an old version of debian.. which are in archive-somewhere
• 2221[14:16:17] <bezaban> !tell aricz about lenny sources.list
• 2222[14:16:29] <bezaban> that told me :P
• 2223[14:16:30] <aricz> thank you!
• 2224[14:16:32] <aricz> :)
• 2225[14:16:38] <bezaban> oh no, me also :)
• 2226[14:16:44] <bezaban> np, good luck
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• 2228[14:17:05] <thewhitehat> aricz: You should consider upgrading to a supported release.
• 2229[14:17:20] <bezaban> that's in the factoid too, no security updates since feb 2012 :P
• 2230[14:17:37] <bezaban> getting a working sources.list is the first step anyway
• 2231[14:18:23] <aricz> if we could install a new version on debian on an ebox-3100.. we would.. for sure
• 2232[14:18:55] <aricz> -on
• 2233[14:19:04] <musca> !libc6_bug
• 2234[14:19:04] <dpkg> Both glibc(dsa3481) and eglibc(dsa3480) have been patched for squeeze,wheezy, jessie, and sid. To install:"apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"::Ensure libc6 is upgraded. See security.debian.org for other notes.
• 2235[14:19:32] <musca> aricz: ^ remote exploit
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• 2242[14:24:10] <ozette> why is there a password on the debian live ..?
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• 2245[14:25:50] <bezaban> ozette: because it also starts a sshd :)
• 2246[14:26:50] <bezaban> there was some discussion about starting sshd and using a known password, not entirely sure how/if it was solved
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• 2248[14:28:29] <bezaban> actually. the fix seems to be that sshd is disabled now
• 2249[14:28:31] <ozette> :/
• 2250[14:28:31] <bezaban> * Disabling ssh password authentication by default
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• 2252[14:28:40] <luxio> Oh! I'm currently required to enter root's password to access my 2TB hard drive on file explorer
• 2253[14:28:46] <luxio> Is there a way to disable that?
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• 2255[14:28:57] <ozette> i see
• 2256[14:29:05] <bezaban> luxio: you can set fstab options to be able to mount as user
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• 2258[14:29:35] <bezaban> might be something in your desktop environment to do it, I'm not very well versed with the clicky things
• 2259[14:29:44] <ozette> well, the login is still required, i had to google it and find the answer in some forum
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• 2265[14:32:55] <jelly> musca: also bash' shellshock, I remember having to build packages for etch and lenny.
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• 2278[14:37:54] <sly01> hi I just upgrade my system to jessie 8.4
• 2279[14:38:02] <sly01> touchpad right click doesnt work
• 2280[14:38:13] <sly01> anyone of you face this issue
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• 2283[14:39:33] <pkv> hi, i dont know personaly i use a little script with synclient command at session start
• 2284[14:39:43] <pkv> example : synclient TapButton2=3
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• 2291[14:44:17] <genoobie> okay, how come non-free and contrib are not showing up in synaptic
• 2292[14:44:34] <genoobie> i.e. when I search for "chrome" the chrome browser is not an option
• 2293[14:44:54] <DeaDSouL> in samba server, none of (create mask, force create mode, security mask, force security mode) works with any created file, if the directory was a symbolic link to a folder out of the shared path, (ps: follow symlinks, wide links are set to yes) how can I force the created files to have a mask of 664 instead of the default wich 670 ?
• 2294[14:45:18] <towo^work> genoobie, chrome is not in debian
• 2295[14:45:48] <towo^work> so it can't shown in synaptic or apt
• 2296[14:46:36] <genoobie> oh
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• 2298[14:46:51] <genoobie> towo^work, even if non-free or contrib are permitted?
• 2299[14:46:56] <towo^work> sure
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• 2301[14:47:16] <towo^work> google has an own 3rd party repo for chrome
• 2302[14:47:25] <genoobie> towo^work, okay
• 2303[14:47:30] <genoobie> then what about flash-non-free?
• 2304[14:47:40] <towo^work> what's with it?
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• 2308[14:47:49] <genoobie> oh nm, just found it :)
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• 2310[14:47:59] <towo^work> flash-plugin-nonfree is visible
• 2311[14:47:59] <genoobie> urgh, still kind of new to the linux thing
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• 2313[14:48:16] <towo^work> use apt-cache serach foo instead of crappy gui tools
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• 2315[14:48:48] <genoobie> towo^work, okay but my old brain cannot remember all the CLI stuff
• 2316[14:49:14] <Kartagis> why am I getting the error at replaced-url
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• 2318[14:49:33] <genoobie> towo^work, i share this computer with my kids and they want to play animal jam on it (which requires flash)
• 2319[14:49:48] <genoobie> I think chromium is the only browser that is staying current with flash
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• 2322[14:50:16] <genoobie> slowly but surely flash is being abandoned but in the interim my 8 yo wants to play animal jam so I have to install chromium
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• 2332[14:54:01] <travis_> Chromium doesnt come with flash?
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• 2334[14:54:16] <genoobie> travis_, I don't know...
• 2335[14:54:27] <hmpf> Hello!
• 2336[14:54:27] <hmpf> I'm working on a debian package that sets up a special directory on a number of PCs. Right now it works just by using dpkg-deb -b ... to get a package that reproduces the directory on the target.
• 2337[14:54:27] <hmpf> But apart from the folders and files I need to change the configuration of sshd, rssh, passwd...
• 2338[14:54:27] <hmpf> What is the right way to do this? Do I have to use maintainer scripts (the doc warns you how complicated it can get)? I hesitate to just overwrite those conf files, because the next update on those packages might break it.
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• 2340[14:54:31] <genoobie> travis_, is chromium better than iceweasel?
• 2341[14:55:04] <travis_> Chromium is open sourced but I'm pretty sure chrome comes with flash. And yes, iceweasel is a remade version of firefox with all of the proprietary code taken out
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• 2343[14:55:25] <genoobie> travis_, what browser do you use?
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• 2360[15:01:30] <DeaDSouL> anyone
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• 2379[15:07:19] <towo^work> DeaDSouL, about your script? write a udev rule for it
• 2380[15:07:27] <genoobie> okay I want to install the browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash but it's not found
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• 2384[15:08:37] <towo^work> genoobie, because that's not in debian stable
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• 2387[15:09:47] <r6ku> it's in backports though
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• 2393[15:10:48] <DeaDSouL> towo^work: it's not regarding the usb script...
• 2394[15:11:21] <DeaDSouL> towo^work: i can live with it, till i write that script, but my problem now is with the samba server
• 2395[15:11:28] <DeaDSouL> in samba server, none of (create mask, force create mode, security mask, force security mode) works with any created file, if the directory was a symbolic link to a folder out of the shared path, (ps: follow symlinks, wide links are set to yes) how can I force the created files to have a mask of 664 instead of the default wich 670 ?
• 2396[15:12:01] <r6ku> genoobie: unless you need plugins that are only in firefox like noscript, just use chromium
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• 2402[15:14:09] <genoobie> r6ku, I just thought iceweasel was a better browser
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• 2407[15:15:08] <tonyoy> r6ku: imha your advise is close to fud : replaced-url
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• 2414[15:17:44] <TomTomTosch> it makes no difference...
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• 2424[15:19:51] <mase2hotUK> hello
• 2425[15:20:26] <salviaD> I have tried everythig to remove apache2, still systemd-analyze blame shows me: 693ms apache2.service
• 2426[15:21:17] <thurstylark> salviaD: systemctl disable apache2.service
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• 2428[15:21:37] <mase2hotUK> I have a script that runs via cacti, at the end of the script I have added some logic and an email alert. It works fine if I run it manually as user replaced-url
• 2429[15:21:40] <salviaD> thurstylark: why this is not removed with purge apache?
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• 2432[15:22:15] <TomTomTosch> it's still there after a reboot?
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• 2435[15:23:09] <themill> salviaD: there is no such package as "apache". Perhaps you can put real output of real commands in a pastebin.
• 2436[15:24:26] <salviaD> themill: all I did was: apt-get install php5 , and this came with "apache2". Then: apt-get purge php5 , and apt-get autoremove. But I still can find stuff with find / -name apache2*
• 2437[15:24:39] <r6ku> tonyoy: I'll stop when mozilla stops trying shove their nonfeatures like hello and pocket down my throat
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• 2439[15:25:13] <r6ku> tonyoy: also I prefer when my browser actually supports things like MSE
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• 2455[15:30:13] <themill> salviaD: I have no idea what you have done as your two statements are contradictory. I suggest you look at what you installed and remove it if that's not what you wanted.
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• 2458[15:30:48] <travis_> anyone here know anything about troubleshooting a p2p network
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• 2461[15:33:12] <travis_> the issue happened while setting up dhcp with my router (which is connected via p2p) during debian netinst, now im not certain this was caused by debian but i need help fixing the router, even when plugged in to the router with ethernet I cant get any signal or log into the router ... but the router connected to the other end of the p2p network does have internet connection
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• 2463[15:34:11] <teraflops> salviaD: finding stuff does not mean apache is still installed. Perhaps those are just config files. Since you weren't specific enough we only can guess.
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• 2468[15:35:51] <salviaD> teraflops: ok, first I installed " apt-get install php5". This installed many libs... I tought that "apt-get purge php5" would remove php5 and its installed libs and config files... But not... A lot was left behind.... is there a command line now to remove evetyhing "apt-get install php5" once did?
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• 2471[15:36:19] <themill> salviaD: no, look at your own terminal output or the log files.
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• 2486[15:41:39] <Garionie> Hi
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• 2491[15:42:39] <Mathisen> so i want to test out sid in a vm.. i have jessie installed on it.. how do i edit my sources.list for that ?
• 2492[15:43:17] <Mathisen> it seem there are no security updates or volatile.. do i just remove them from sources.list ?
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• 2497[15:45:15] <Mathisen> or do i need to update to testing first ?
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• 2499[15:45:37] <themill> yes, you need to update to testing first
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• 2501[15:46:13] <Mathisen> themill, so i just replace jessie with testing in my sources.list then ? on everything ?
• 2502[15:46:23] <Mathisen> and do a dist-upgrade right ?
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• 2505[15:46:51] <themill> if you're sufficiently unfamiliar with debian that you don't already know that, you're not likely to have a happy time with sid
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• 2510[15:47:37] <Mathisen> i know how it works but when i edited it it dont find security updates or volatile like asked.. thats why im asking if just remove those lines or uncomment them ofc
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• 2512[15:47:45] <Mathisen> its just in a vm for testing anyway
• 2513[15:48:32] <themill> well, familiarity with debian would also mean that you knew the answers to those questions too btw. Testing things out in a vm means you think they're going to be useful for something. Take care.
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• 2517[15:49:05] <themill> there is no security support for sid and volatile makes no sense for sid
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• 2521[15:49:15] <SM0TVI> QUESTION: I noticed there was an update for the kernel in the APT, is there anywhere one can see what was fixed and why (e.g. release notes)?
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• 2524[15:49:32] <Mathisen> okej that answers it thx themill
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• 2526[15:49:47] <towo^work> SM0TVI, look in the changelog
• 2527[15:50:07] <SM0TVI> towo^work: You don't happen to have a link?
• 2528[15:50:27] <towo^work> SM0TVI, apt-get changelog $package-name
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• 2533[15:52:30] <themill> SM0TVI: you can also "dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges" and have it show you the changelog at upgrade time
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• 2536[15:53:03] <SM0TVI> themill: I usually use synaptic, looking up that way atm.
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• 2540[15:56:03] <themill> I would assume you'd still see the changelogs in the terminal window
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• 2567[16:03:41] <SM0TVI> There's a button you can select when you have the package in view which reads "get changelogs". And it seems they fixed the hanging bug which caused my systems to hang.
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• 2573[16:04:55] <SM0TVI> The southbridge bug is still there tho, but that's a hardware bug on my system (oh well, can't win'em all).
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• 2577[16:08:07] <Chaussette> ey guys, how can i know my user-id on this server ? a whois on my nick doesn't show anything ...
• 2578[16:08:11] <Chaussette> thx
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• 2613[16:20:24] <salviaD> why apt-get has slower fetch times in my ipv6 connection, and faster when it is ipv4 only?
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• 2631[16:25:31] <Hypnosekroete> hi... which folders i need to backup on linux to have a full snapshot? D:
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• 2653[16:32:02] <Ooze> I'd like to run a mount --bind command at startup, what's the best way to go about this?
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• 2655[16:32:09] <Ooze> fstab or a service or...?
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• 2658[16:32:19] <sanotehu> is it unwise (or even impossible?) to create a zfs pool using partitions that are a subset of several disks?
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• 2660[16:32:35] <sanotehu> use case: I want to use the first 32 GB of my disks for /, /home and swap
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• 2662[16:32:47] <sanotehu> and then the last ~3TB of each disk for the zfs raidz filesystem
• 2663[16:33:15] <sanotehu> is this a bad idea? everything else I read online seems to be using the entire disks...
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• 2665[16:33:25] <ChrisH> sanotehu: How many disks do you have to use?
• 2666[16:33:41] <sanotehu> where does everyone else install their root fs when setting up a NAS?
• 2667[16:33:48] <frostschutz> sanotehu, you should always use partitions
• 2668[16:34:04] <sanotehu> ChrisH: I have 3 disks to use, no spare entire disks just for a root fs
• 2669[16:34:10] <ChrisH> sanotehu: ZFS is capable to use Whole Disks, partitions, VFiles, ...
• 2670[16:34:35] <genoobie> ugh I need to connect my computer to an smb share and make it "browseable" in thunar
• 2671[16:34:39] <genoobie> any tips?
• 2672[16:35:08] <sanotehu> ChrisH: cool, so there is no major issue with the approach, the things I'm reading online are just people maybe making things a bit simpler by using the entire disk
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• 2677[16:37:08] <tanque888> hi
• 2678[16:37:15] <tanque888> how to fix this? replaced-url
• 2679[16:38:09] <tanque888> this because instalation wine
• 2680[16:38:23] <sanotehu> does the partitioner within the debian installer automatically use GPT or will I need to manually do that with parted /dev/sdX mklabel gpt?
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• 2684[16:41:01] <tanque888> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite not work for me
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• 2686[16:41:44] <mtn> tanque888: you could delete the file in question
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• 2688[16:42:20] <tanque888> hi, now works
• 2689[16:42:29] <Kartagis> what to do when su - <user> doesn't work?
• 2690[16:42:40] <tanque888> Whats docummentation of debian is good for learning debian?
• 2691[16:43:00] <blind> Trying to figure out why my apt is unable to see the "fglrx-driver" package in jessie-backports..? I have the 4.4 kernel from backports, which the standard stable fglrx-driver will not build against. I can see from backports.debian.org it's in there.. what gives?
• 2692[16:43:06] <mtn> Kartagis: doesn't work how?
• 2693[16:43:31] <Kartagis> mtn: I do su - <user>, but id still reports root
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• 2695[16:43:57] <mtn> Kartagis: does it ask for password? do you give it the password? etc.
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• 2697[16:44:04] <Kartagis> nope
• 2698[16:44:07] <Kartagis> I'm root
• 2699[16:44:29] <TomTomTosch> blind: you added main contrib non-free for backports?
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• 2702[16:45:16] <shann_> Kartagis, your <user> account have shell to login, have you message that indicate account not valid ?
• 2703[16:45:21] <blind> TomTomTosch: ...oh.
• 2704[16:45:36] <ChrisH> sanotehu: Under Solaris you normally use partitions on x86 and might use whole Disks on Sparc for data disk. root disks are allways partoitioned.
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• 2706[16:46:05] <Kartagis> shann_: no messages
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• 2709[16:46:58] <blind> TomTomTosch: hey I have video, wooo. Thanks for pointing that out
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• 2711[16:47:11] <shann_> Kartagis, can you paste your command 'su - <user>' and output result in paste.debian.net. Thx
• 2712[16:47:11] <TomTomTosch> blind: np. have fun.
• 2713[16:47:14] <ongolaBoy> tanque888: wiki.debian.org , replaced-url
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• 2716[16:48:30] <Kartagis> replaced-url
• 2717[16:48:31] <genoobie> Okay, I am trying to browse / mount a smb share I have on my network via Thunar. Any tips?
• 2718[16:48:39] <Kartagis> shann_: ^
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• 2726[16:52:12] <shann_> Kartagis, thx, mm, replaced-url
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• 2731[16:54:36] <Kartagis> shann_: also, do you happen to know how to make virt-install assigns the ownership when it creates a vm?
• 2732[16:54:42] <Kartagis> assign*
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• 2739[16:58:47] <BinBasher> Is using xen in debian considered to be secure?
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• 2742[16:59:14] <shann_> Kartagis, i install libvirt-bin and have a same result, it's that libvirt-qemu have not shell /bin/false (replaced-url
• 2743[16:59:16] <BinBasher> in an always updated stable debian*
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• 2761[17:03:45] <Kartagis> uhm
• 2762[17:03:47] <Kartagis> okay
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• 2772[17:07:38] <Newboy> Where can i find the option to dock kmix control to the kde panel?
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• 2775[17:08:14] <bazhang> try #kde Newboy
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• 2777[17:08:23] <jez9999> Hi guys, who here knows about routing? I have an odd problem where one my my Linux installs successfully routes PPP LCP "Configuration Request" packets, but the other one is blocking them. Why could this be?
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• 2780[17:08:30] <genoobie> okay, I am totally confused...
• 2781[17:08:47] <genoobie> I am trying to mount an smb share on another machine in my debianos
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• 2783[17:09:04] <genoobie> trying to follow this wiki here
• 2784[17:09:05] <genoobie> replaced-url
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• 2788[17:09:32] <genoobie> I put this line into my fstab as directed
• 2789[17:09:33] <genoobie> /<IPAddress>/<share name> /mnt/smb cifs password=,uid=1000,umask=000 0 0
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• 2792[17:10:02] <genoobie> then it says...Here we're using the mountpoint /mnt/smb (which you must create) and assuming the share has no password.
• 2793[17:10:02] <genoobie> If the share does have a password, try an options list like the following:
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• 2795[17:10:16] <Newboy> thx bazhang
• 2796[17:10:17] <shann_> Kartagis, kvm/qemu hypervisor run with libvirt-qemu (system account), for vms launch it's same user i think.
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• 2798[17:10:39] <genoobie> I don't think I have created such a share and I am not sure where the "credentials" options list belongs...
• 2799[17:10:58] <Kartagis> I am installing KVM guests and it seems that my host doesn't allow me to access the internet without a proxy. how do I know what information to use?
• 2800[17:10:58] <genoobie> any tips?
• 2801[17:11:57] <shann_> Kartagis, you KVM Guests use NAT or bond.
• 2802[17:12:09] <shann_> bridge*
• 2803[17:12:22] <Kartagis> shann_: I set them to use br0
• 2804[17:12:40] <Kartagis> so, what information do I enter?
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• 2806[17:13:44] <shann_> Kartagis, you have use (replaced-url
• 2807[17:13:50] <bazhang> genoobie, #samba
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• 2811[17:14:33] <Kartagis> shann_: no, I'm still on the host
• 2812[17:15:48] <shann_> nothing to see, i build package and purpose this to include in Debian i search sponsors :-) (replaced-url
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• 2816[17:16:42] <shann_> Kartagis, hum, from guest you can ping outside world (ping 8.8.8.8) ?
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• 2818[17:17:25] <Kartagis> shann_: I'm still on the host. should I connect to the guest?
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• 2833[17:19:46] <shann_> Kartagis, you have launch you guest from cli ?
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• 2838[17:21:23] <Kartagis> shann_: I've been following that KVM wiki, but I'm still on the installation part. and now I'm getting An error has been detected while trying to use the specified Debian archive mirror
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• 2845[17:22:20] <shann_> Kartagis, can you paste url using for Debian archive mirror ?
• 2846[17:22:51] <Kartagis> shann_: ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org
• 2847[17:22:58] <Kartagis> I tried many
• 2848[17:23:24] <Kartagis> nl, tr, us, de so far
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• 2850[17:23:36] <Kartagis> oh, uk too
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• 2854[17:24:34] <shann_> ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/ seem work
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• 2856[17:25:27] <Kartagis> hmm, maybe I misconfigured the network
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• 2859[17:25:40] <shann_> --location arg need full path to installer-amd64 directory not just first level url.
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• 2861[17:26:21] <Kartagis> oh
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• 2864[17:26:32] <Kartagis> might be that, let me try again
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• 2875[17:29:25] <B4daBing73> Hi
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• 2878[17:30:03] <B4daBing73> What is the difference between "debian-8.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent" and "debian-update-8.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent"?
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• 2895[17:36:42] <genoobie> okay, I can connect to the smb share in a console window with smbclient
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• 2897[17:36:52] <genoobie> but I'd really rather browse this in Thunar.
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• 2914[17:41:19] <shann_> i quit work, i'm reconnect later :-)
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• 2923[17:43:59] <r00trunner> I'm looking for a minimal KVM install on an ARM device. Any suggestions? What about debirf?
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• 2993[18:19:05] <karlpinc> genoobie: Once it's mounted with samba you can browse it with anything. (I can't tell you how to mount it. I always poke samba with a stick until it works.)
• 2994[18:19:07] <mase2hotUK> can anyone help me troubleshoot why my script doesnt run when its automated but runs fine when I manually do it?
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• 2996[18:19:18] <karlpinc> mase2hotUK: In cron?
• 2997[18:19:30] <mase2hotUK> no via poller in cacti
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• 2999[18:19:59] <mase2hotUK> it runs a bash script that connects to some servers to get stats. This bit works fine.
• 3000[18:20:20] <mase2hotUK> I added some logic if it goes over a threshold that it should send me an email
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• 3002[18:20:37] <karlpinc> mase2hotUK: It's probably either permissions or $PATH. Unless cacti is chrooting it or something. Turn up the logging. And add some logging to your script.
• 3003[18:20:37] <mase2hotUK> this doesnt work, but if I manually run the script it does work
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• 3005[18:21:00] <karlpinc> mase2hotUK: "logger"
• 3006[18:21:12] <mase2hotUK> how do I add that pelase?
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• 3010[18:21:51] <mase2hotUK> I also think its permission but I have su as that user and it does work manually. But I still think its permissions
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• 3013[18:22:00] <karlpinc> mase2hotUK: man logger (in the bsdutils package)
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• 3043[18:33:00] <MaBunny> hey guys
• 3044[18:33:09] <MaBunny> Am on my other linux distro
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• 3046[18:33:25] <MaBunny> Its really a problem with my iso i think so
• 3047[18:33:31] <MaBunny> I mean to say tht
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• 3050[18:33:59] <MaBunny> I checked for the integrity of the iso inside the installer n
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• 3052[18:34:09] <MaBunny> its said bad shit
• 3053[18:34:14] <MaBunny> srry
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• 3055[18:34:24] <MaBunny> but will download another iso and
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• 3059[18:34:45] <MaBunny> I will ask for the command for checksum checking later brb
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• 3067[18:38:05] <MaBunny> Guys anyone kno the link to the CD installer
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• 3069[18:38:14] <MaBunny> i mean tht 650 mb iso
• 3070[18:38:24] <MaBunny> Cant find it in debian.org
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• 3082[18:42:51] <MaBunny> Guys any help???
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• 3085[18:43:10] <MaBunny> Im too eager to get to it
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• 3087[18:43:23] <MaBunny> Seriously waiting for 8.4
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• 3091[18:44:19] <MaBunny> ok found it lol srry
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• 3093[18:44:21] <Brigo> MaBunny, you mean the netinstall?
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• 3095[18:44:28] <MaBunny> No not tht
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• 3098[18:44:34] <MaBunny> But found it
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• 3100[18:44:54] <shann> re :-)
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• 3105[18:45:51] <MaBunny> Ok downloading it guys
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• 3107[18:46:00] <MaBunny> will call for the checksum cmd
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• 3109[18:48:29] <shann> Kartagis, you have solve problem ?
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• 3140[18:58:22] <Hypnosekroete> hi... which folders i need to backup on linux to have a full snapshot? D:
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• 3151[19:02:55] <jelly> Hypnosekroete: everything?
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• 3219[19:19:24] <Mathisen> hello i got a problem chrome and chromium browser are just black when i open them >> replaced-url
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• 3229[19:21:45] <Mathisen> firefox works with no problem.. but i got alot of stuff linked to my google account so kinda want to use chrome
• 3230[19:22:05] <Mathisen> or this a known issue ?
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• 3232[19:22:33] <dontknow> Mathisen, it may be related with gpu
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• 3245[19:26:57] <Mathisen> dontknow, yeah you seem right, i just found with a google search to " disable GPU compositing " the thing is i need to go to chrome://flags to change that but everything is black...
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• 3248[19:27:21] <Mathisen> lets hope more coffee solves this
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• 3269[19:31:14] <leni1> Hello. I'm having problems getting pepper flash to work in both Chromium and Mozilla. I installed pepper flash using this guide: replaced-url
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• 3272[19:32:02] <leni1> Closed my browser windows and a video is asking me to Install Flash Player
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• 3280[19:32:52] <leni1> Disabled Flash Player plugin from Adobe. There isn't a pepper flash plugin showing in chrome://plugins.
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• 3302[19:38:37] <biggwutt_> I'm facing a peculiar groups permission issue, could somebody look at this? replaced-url
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• 3308[19:39:41] <biggwutt_> am I missing something? I've also tried with root:smbshare and ug+rwx on the /mnt/ dir itself, but I'm pretty sure I shouldn't give it those permissions
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• 3310[19:40:15] <godmaster1> Hello, i need to disable debian usage of my primary VGA to let qemu kvm passthrough it, is it possible with some kind of boot option like vga=off ??
• 3311[19:40:38] <teraflops> biggwutt_: weird why?
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• 3316[19:41:22] <biggwutt_> teraflops: aren't those permissions adequate for the touch command to work?
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• 3318[19:41:44] <teraflops> biggwutt_: are you using samba?
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• 3322[19:41:56] <biggwutt_> teraflops: not yet - I was just preparing the group for it
• 3323[19:42:09] <biggwutt_> it is installed, just not configured to that mountpoint yet
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• 3329[19:43:54] <godmaster1> please how can i tell debian to dont use my graphic card?? when i passthrough it to qemu i see mixed graphics (guest and host)
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• 3336[19:46:20] <user_> hi guys I downloaded the debian live cd amd64 but when I install it on my macbook pro, it boots to grub rescue
• 3337[19:46:53] <user_> going through the grub rescue process i then get an error that boot/grub/x86_64 doesn't exist
• 3338[19:47:07] <user_> how can i fix this?
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• 3341[19:47:17] <greycat> Last I heard, the live CD images (as opposed to the regular CD images) cannot install in UEFI mode.
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• 3344[19:47:30] <markybob> that's correct
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• 3346[19:47:39] <user_> uh oh
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• 3351[19:48:18] <rendar> i've just typed apt-get dist-upgrade, but it says all is updated, but it's running linux kernel 2.6.something, what's wrong?
• 3352[19:48:19] <user_> so does that mean I can only install using the regular install dvd/cd to do installs on this setup?
• 3353[19:48:34] <greycat> rendar: cat /etc/debian_version
• 3354[19:48:46] <rendar> 7.10
• 3355[19:48:57] <greycat> Did you just do a squeeze to wheezy upgrade?
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• 3358[19:49:08] <rendar> greycat: i suppose
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• 3361[19:49:22] <rendar> greycat: just typed apt-get dist-upgrade
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• 3363[19:49:34] <towo`> user_, yes
• 3364[19:49:36] <rendar> don't tell me that the latest stable is linux 2.6.something
• 3365[19:49:40] <srg2> I'm trying to connect to a WPA-EAP network using /etc/network/interfaces. I have the the following: replaced-url
• 3366[19:49:41] <greycat> If you did a dist-upgrade, presumably it is because you recently edited sources.list to do a whole version upgrade.
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• 3368[19:49:50] <user_> towo`: can network install work?
• 3369[19:49:52] <markybob> rendar: 7.10 isn't the latest stable
• 3370[19:49:52] <greycat> So you should know what you just set the version name to.
• 3371[19:49:57] <towo`> user_, it should
• 3372[19:50:02] <user_> or should I just get the entire dvd?
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• 3374[19:50:05] <user_> okay, thank you
• 3375[19:50:10] <rendar> markybob: so why it doens't start a distr-upgrade?
• 3376[19:50:15] <towo`> user_, but maybe you want the unofficial iso
• 3377[19:50:18] <markybob> rendar: 8.4 jessie is the latest
• 3378[19:50:26] <greycat> More to the point, if you just did a squeeze to wheezy, but you're still on the squeeze kernel, then either you haven't installed a wheezy kernel yet, or you haven't rebooted into that kernel yet.
• 3379[19:50:28] <towo`> user_, which contains propably needed firmware
• 3380[19:50:29] <markybob> rendar: because you haven't read the release notes
• 3381[19:50:29] <user_> towo`: what's the unofficial iso?
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• 3383[19:50:48] <towo`> user_, replaced-url
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• 3386[19:50:54] <user_> that would be nice for this broadcom wifi thing
• 3387[19:51:07] <rendar> markybob: how? I did several times, and as far as I know apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade is what I need now..
• 3388[19:51:10] <rendar> what am i missing?
• 3389[19:51:17] <greycat> !tell rendar about squeeze->wheezy
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• 3391[19:51:36] <rendar> oh, right...sorry i'll check that
• 3392[19:51:37] <markybob> rendar: you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list like the release notes (and the bot just now) says
• 3393[19:51:49] <rendar> I knew this, I just forgot
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• 3397[19:52:48] <rendar> hey wait...i have already "wheezy" in my source.list
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• 3400[19:53:02] <greycat> You probably did a partial squeeze->wheezy in the past, then.
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• 3402[19:53:10] <rendar> deb replaced-url
• 3403[19:53:16] <greycat> You're still on the squeeze kernel, so make sure a wheezy kernel got installed, then reboot to that.
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• 3408[19:53:46] <rendar> greycat: so, besides the kernel, i should have wheezy packages now?
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• 3412[19:54:10] <greycat> You can check if you don't trust it.
• 3413[19:54:24] <rendar> greycat: basically i need packages, not the kernel
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• 3415[19:54:35] <greycat> So check the versions of the packages you care about to see if they match expectations.
• 3416[19:54:38] <rendar> greycat: how i can check i'm using newest packages?
• 3417[19:54:45] <greycat> dpkg -l
• 3418[19:54:46] <dpkg> Files in package greycat-pr0n: /srv/greycat-pr0n/greycat.jpg
• 3419[19:54:48] <rendar> well, they're not...
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• 3421[19:54:56] <jmcnaught> rendar: is this your computer or some VPS?
• 3422[19:54:56] <rendar> i get python 3.2.3 which is pretty old
• 3423[19:55:00] <rendar> VPS
• 3424[19:55:01] <greycat> They should be up to date for *wheezy*, not for jessie.
• 3425[19:55:11] <greycat> ,v python-3.2 wheezy
• 3426[19:55:12] <judd> No package named 'python-3.2' was found in wheezy/amd64.
• 3427[19:55:15] <greycat> ,v python3.2 wheezy
• 3428[19:55:16] <judd> Package: python3.2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-7
• 3429[19:55:22] <greycat> Looks correct for wheezy.
• 3430[19:55:30] <rendar> ok
• 3431[19:55:37] <greycat> wheezy is oldstable now
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• 3433[19:55:43] <teraflops> biggwutt_: ah ok, are those folders just folders? I mean there is no filesystem mounted there?
• 3434[19:55:44] <jmcnaught> rendar: some VPS providers don't let you control the kernel, your VPS runs on the host's kernel. Ask your provider about it.
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• 3437[19:56:00] <rendar> jmcnaught: ok
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• 3439[19:56:09] <greycat> True. My wheezy VPS is running on the host's non-Debian kernel....
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• 3441[19:56:40] <teraflops> cheap Openvz containers are fine for a lot of stuff
• 3442[19:56:48] <rendar> the point is i need newest packages, i have to switch to testing?
• 3443[19:56:52] <greycat> Yup. I've got no complaints.
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• 3445[19:57:02] <greycat> rendar: you could try upgrading from wheezy to jessie (stable)
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• 3447[19:57:13] <rendar> jessie is stable?!
• 3448[19:57:18] <jmcnaught> rendar: you're using wheezy which is oldstable. also don't run testing on a server.
• 3449[19:57:18] <greycat> !jessie
• 3450[19:57:19] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: replaced-url
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• 3453[19:57:23] <greycat> Almost a year now.
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• 3455[19:57:36] <rendar> ok, then
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• 3457[19:58:11] <biggwutt_> teraflops: point1 is mount with /dev/md0 actually
• 3458[19:58:28] <biggwutt_> which is an ext4, raid1 array
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• 3463[19:58:52] <greycat> rendar: what's the exact kernel versoin (uname -a)?
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• 3466[19:59:14] <rendar> cannot say now, it's running upgrade
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• 3469[19:59:44] <teraflops> biggwutt_: what does `getfacl /mnt/point1` say?
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• 3471[20:00:14] <jmcnaught> rendar: probably a good idea to check the release notes before blindly upgrading to jessie. also asking your provider if their kernel is compatible with the libc6 in jessie would be a good idea too
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• 3477[20:00:41] <jelly> rendar: hope you're not doing an upgrade to "jessie" or "stable" right now because that will break things
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• 3479[20:00:54] <tharkun> Why did my laptop not updated to the SDST when it occurred.
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• 3485[20:01:29] <biggwutt_> teraflops: replaced-url
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• 3488[20:01:50] <blue_sky> in the old days I used to do: killall -HUP; after I made changes to, say, /etc/hosts.allow, to get inetd to re-read it, are things different now under systemd?
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• 3498[20:04:26] <srg2> I'm trying to connect to a WPA-EAP network using /etc/network/interfaces. I have the the following: replaced-url
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• 3500[20:04:35] <jelly> blue_sky: services using tcp_wrappers in general reread the file on every access, and there's no need to reload or SIGHUP anything
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• 3502[20:04:57] <blue_sky> jelly: thank you, I'll test my change now.
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• 3504[20:05:09] <jelly> blue_sky: so I don't think that HUP was any use, even before jessie and systemd
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• 3512[20:06:35] <jelly> however if your choice of inetd actually needs it, and your service is running under inetd, you can do something like "service openbsd-inetd reload"
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• 3514[20:06:52] <jelly> (change the service name to the actual *inetd you're using
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• 3522[20:08:18] <blue_sky> jelly: will investigate, thanks ... change didn't work :( will be back with questions if not resolved.
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• 3530[20:09:18] <jelly> blue_sky: sure. which inetd do you have installed?
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• 3535[20:10:15] <eject_ck> I do NAT MASQUERADE on Debian router for internal hosts from eth1 (MTU 9000) on eth0 (ethernet MTU 1500) where I have jumbo frames enabled. I found that internal host replies with TCP packets > 2000 bytes and some clients / networks don't receive these. I want to fix with IPTABLES to fragment packets from eth1 to eth0. In what chain should I do tcp mss fix?
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• 3539[20:10:25] <eject_ck> iptables -o eth0 A FORWARD -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -j TCPMSS --clamp-mss-to-pmtu
• 3540[20:10:33] <eject_ck> this don't work for me :)
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• 3543[20:10:53] <eject_ck> I still have packets from $int_net to clients with big packets
• 3544[20:11:11] <eject_ck> ifconfig eth0 | grep MTU
• 3545[20:11:11] <eject_ck> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
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• 3550[20:11:31] <teraflops> biggwutt_: hmm, I wonder if it works `setfacl -m g:smbshare /mnt/point1`
• 3551[20:12:03] <asterismo> hi
• 3552[20:12:05] <eject_ck> As I understand all packets traveling via FORWARD must be 1460
• 3553[20:12:16] <asterismo> i dist-upgraded debian 7 to 8 and lyx is broken now
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• 3555[20:12:26] <asterismo> is there any reported issues on this?
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• 3571[20:15:23] <awal1> I was in tty1 upgrading some pkgs and suddenly my keyboard stopped responding, I had to switch to the DM and reboot. Which log I have to check exactly for check what happened?
• 3572[20:15:38] <nilekada> Installed pepper flash and it doesn't seem to work. Loading this site: replaced-url
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• 3577[20:16:08] <awal1> which log file ^
• 3578[20:16:10] <biggwutt_> teraflops: I had to change your line to include 'g:smbshare:rwx' - however it really did nothing - ls represents the same permissions and I still cannot touch /mnt/point1/a
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• 3582[20:17:05] <nilekada> Error message is as follows: replaced-url
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• 3584[20:17:25] <teraflops> biggwutt_: ok
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• 3586[20:17:49] <jmcnaught> biggwutt_: does /mnt/point1/a already exist? can you create other files in that directory?
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• 3594[20:19:46] <DK-HaZe> I have a server where I have mounted "through network to pi" an external drive, then I have mounted some Folders from my NAS. But I cannot copy between the external and the NAS folders. My transmission can write fine to the NAS Folders, Midtnight Commander gives out this "Cannot chown target directory "files" Permission denied (13)"
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• 3596[20:20:08] <teraflops> jmcnaught: it's a raid mounted in that dir, I wonder if it's related
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• 3598[20:20:57] <jmcnaught> teraflops: i don't see why it would be. i was wondering "a" already exists and user doesn't have write permission to that file
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• 3600[20:21:28] <teraflops> jmcnaught: ah
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• 3602[20:21:39] <teraflops> nilekada: then is the plugin installed or not?
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• 3604[20:21:50] <biggwutt_> jmcnaught: /mnt/point1/a do not exist, and no I cannot create any other file or directory
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• 3609[20:24:05] <teraflops> nilekada: btw you can view bbc iplayer content with mpv + ytdl
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• 3616[20:25:56] <nilekada> teraflops: true. Didn't know about the former, heard about the latter
• 3617[20:26:06] <nilekada> what's mpv?
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• 3619[20:26:39] <teraflops> nilekada: but, the kde paste looks like pepperflash wasn't installed
• 3620[20:26:46] <DK-HaZe> I can CP documents from NAS Folder to External and vise versa
• 3621[20:27:06] <nilekada> teraflops: I'm starting to think so too
• 3622[20:27:11] <teraflops> nilekada: a _mplayer like_ player
• 3623[20:27:22] <teraflops> nilekada: I'm quite sure about that :P
• 3624[20:27:24] <jmcnaught> biggwutt_: so /mnt/point1 is the mount point? if root makes a directory below that, can your user make files in that directory? I think the problem is you set the group permission on the directory you're using as a mount point, but the actual permission is coming from the mounted filesystem
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• 3631[20:28:15] <nilekada> teraflops: so how do I get it to install? It seems to a key issue. Is it alright to download the key manually and add it?
• 3632[20:28:20] <teraflops> yeah if there is more stuff there what does ls -la inside that folder?
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• 3634[20:28:59] <nilekada> teraflops: that wasn't for me, was it?
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• 3638[20:29:32] <teraflops> nilekada: look for the error here: replaced-url
• 3639[20:29:57] <teraflops> nilekada: nope it was for biggwutt_
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• 3641[20:30:30] <biggwutt_> jmcnaught & teraflops: there is nothing in this directory except a fresh lost+found dir from when I ran mkfs.ext4 - it's a raid 1 of /dev/md0 which I just made before mounting with 'sudo mount /dev/md0 /mnt/point1'
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• 3644[20:30:52] <biggwutt_> it's all freshly built
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• 3648[20:32:03] <nilekada> teraflops: I read that page thoroughly. No documentation as such regarding the error.
• 3649[20:32:46] <jmcnaught> biggwutt_: if you do "cd /mnt/point1 ; ls -lda" are the permissions for the "." directory different than what you expect?
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• 3652[20:33:40] <nilekada> teraflops: reading the package info has helped. Seems the package has been removed from testing.
• 3653[20:33:45] <nilekada> Thanks
• 3654[20:33:49] <teraflops> biggwutt_: tried as root a -R chown and chgroup according to your liking? also the . and .. has to say something
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• 3656[20:34:18] <teraflops> nilekada: ah testing ...
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• 3661[20:35:36] <teraflops> nilekada: give a try to mpv + ytdl then, once installed just run mpv "replaced-url
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• 3663[20:36:10] <biggwutt_> jmcnaught: drwxrwxr-x+ 3 root smbshare 4096 Apr 11 12:17 . - those appear like I would expect
• 3664[20:36:17] <nilekada> teraflops: okay. Will do
• 3665[20:36:28] <nilekada> Hehehe yeah testing :P
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• 3667[20:36:44] <teraflops> jmcnaught: sorry for repeating you I have a bit much lag
• 3668[20:36:56] <biggwutt_> teraflops: I've tried actually giving /mnt/ and /mnt/point1 ug+rwx for root:smbshare and it's still the same issue
• 3669[20:37:12] <teraflops> biggwutt_: then i have no idea sorry
• 3670[20:37:48] <biggwutt_> could there be an issue where my user is somehow not actualyl in the group despite 'groups biggwut' indicating it is there?
• 3671[20:37:54] <biggwutt_> actually*
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• 3674[20:38:37] <teraflops> biggwutt_: no idea and I think is not related at all but whats the primary group of that user?
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• 3677[20:39:49] <nilekada> teraflops: mpv works. Thanks again!
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• 3679[20:39:55] <teraflops> biggwutt_: nvm I dont see how it can affect
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• 3681[20:40:10] <teraflops> nilekada: nice
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• 3687[20:41:31] <biggwutt_> teraflops: output of 'groups biggwut' - biggwutt : biggwutt sudo smbshare
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• 3694[20:42:34] <b0s3d> Hello guys, i need some help with fah/folding@home, gpu is "Ready" but won't run/"Running"
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• 3758[20:57:40] <Testor> Hello everyone, I have an issue: Xorg and gnome-shell constantly use about 50% and 20% of my cpu respectively,still when no other applications are open. Is there a way to know why is this happening, and also how to fix it?. I'm on Debian Testing, gnome version 3.18.2, nvidia 340.96, thanks!
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• 3763[20:58:22] <markybob> Testor: testing support is on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
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• 3766[20:58:53] <Testor> markybob: thanks, will look in there.
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• 3778[21:01:42] <Mathisen> Question: is is posible to make some sort of "image" of the current install that i can go back to easy if i want to test some things and maybe break some important stuff
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• 3783[21:02:27] <Mathisen> without the need of re-install ofc
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• 3800[21:05:41] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: you can do something like that using LVM snapshots. Make a snapshot of your volume, do dangerous stuff, revert to the snapshot. There are a lot of strategies for backup and restore, most involve backing up stuff that can't be installed (data, not programs).
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• 3803[21:06:13] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, thx will do some reading on LVM snapshots
• 3804[21:06:17] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: there are also tools like gddrescue that can help you make an image of a block device that can later be restored.
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• 3905[21:43:40] <fornax> Could someone explain me how to correctly set the locale on debian 8.3 in my docker file? When I start the container and execute locale I always have POSIX for LC_* but want to use de_DE-UTF-8. I tried nearly all tutorials but nothing simply seems to work
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• 3909[21:44:26] <greycat> Well, you need to run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" on the Debian inside the container/host/whatever it is. Which is interactive.
• 3910[21:44:53] <greycat> There may be a non-interactive invocation too; I don't know it.
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• 3912[21:45:22] <fornax> I tried dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=noninteractive locales, which takes some times, but what does it configure? I cannot do it interactively since the container runs headless
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• 3914[21:45:57] <fornax> when I execute locale -a I do not have de_DE-UTF-8 in the list. So there needs to be more magic
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• 3916[21:46:21] <greycat> This is what dpkg-reconfigure locales does.
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• 3919[21:46:41] <greycat> It lets you select one or more locales from a list to be generated, and then those will be available.
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• 3925[21:48:54] <SomeT> I am trying to locate haskell on an ssh debian linux bash, can anyone help me, I tried where is ghci but it brings up nothing
• 3926[21:48:58] <alex001> Hi. Does anybody know if /lib/udev/write_net_rules has been replaced with something ? I don't have that script anymore and I want to regenerate my 70-persistent-net.rules file...
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• 3930[21:50:16] <alex001> Forgot to mention I am using debian stretch.
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• 3936[21:52:47] <jmcnaught> alex001: is it a VM? Since jessie the /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules ignores MAC addresses used by hypervisors
• 3937[21:53:03] <alex001> jmcnaught, no, it is a desktop.
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• 3944[21:54:06] <jmcnaught> alex001: take a look at that file. also i think in testing the newer systemd might have a different way of handling persistent interface names. you might also ask on the testing channel, #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 3947[21:55:13] <alex001> jmcnaught, I don't have the 75-persistent-net-generator.rules file on my system.
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• 3949[21:55:24] <alex001> jmcnaught, I will ask them! Thanks
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• 3952[21:55:55] <rendar> if i have developed a package, let's say a database, how i can submit it to debian, so it can be installed with apt-get?
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• 3958[21:57:59] <greycat> New packaging requests are usually driven by demand (people actually wanting to *use* a thing), not by a developer looking to sow some wild oats.
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• 3987[22:05:07] <b0s3d> how do i change the graphic card driver on debian 8 jessie gnome3?
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• 3996[22:07:03] <towo`> b0s3d, what you want to change exact?
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• 3998[22:07:42] <b0s3d> to change it from nvidia to nouveau
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• 4006[22:09:10] <kion> what is the best way to install google earth?
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• 4010[22:09:59] <markybob> !googleearth
• 4011[22:10:00] <dpkg> Google Earth is a proprietary geographic information program, which cannot be distributed by any third party. To build a Debian package of Google Earth: ask me about <contrib>, install the googleearth-package package and read /usr/share/doc/googleearth-package/README.Debian. replaced-url
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• 4013[22:10:44] <b0s3d> towo` i have googled it, sry for stress.. bb
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• 4015[22:10:50] <rendar> why apt-get dist-upgrade gives me this error? replaced-url
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• 4020[22:10:57] <kion> dpkg so that means sudo apt-get install googleearth-package?
• 4021[22:10:58] <dpkg> kion: bugger all, i dunno
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• 4023[22:11:38] <towo`> rendar, because you have a frankendebian?
• 4024[22:11:42] <markybob> kion: dpkg is a bot i called. but yes
• 4025[22:11:52] <towo`> rendar, because you have not done a apt-get update before?
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• 4027[22:12:20] <kion> markybob, Lol, yes I realized after asking but thanks for clarifying
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• 4032[22:14:09] <kion> markybob, is that better thank grabbing the .deb @ google earth page?
• 4033[22:14:20] <jmcnaught> rendar: "/msg dpkg bat" for the type of troubleshooting information we would need to help you
• 4034[22:14:46] <rendar> towo`: i've made a apt-get update before btw
• 4035[22:14:50] <rendar> jmcnaught: thanks
• 4036[22:14:57] <markybob> kion: we don't like suggesting outside debs. /msg dpkg dontbreakdebian but i've never used google earth's so i don't know. might be okay
• 4037[22:15:35] <rendar> towo`: i didn't installed anything manually, so i don't know how i have a this
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• 4040[22:15:56] <towo`> rendar, we don't know your sources.list
• 4041[22:16:23] <towo`> rendar, and you message does not looks like you are using a clean debian stable
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• 4047[22:17:04] <towo`> rendar, at minimum you should paste the output of apt-cache policy udev plymouth
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• 4058[22:18:06] <Iridos> markybob, I did a longish time ago ... it's seemed ok... being a leaf package and all.
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• 4060[22:19:19] <rendar> towo`: ok wait
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• 4062[22:19:27] <markybob> Iridos: then the question becomes why? :P when there's a debian alternative
• 4063[22:20:03] <rendar> towo` replaced-url
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• 4067[22:20:48] <rendar> towo` replaced-url
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• 4073[22:21:48] <towo`> rendar, what does apt install plymouth say?
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• 4075[22:22:09] <towo`> rendar, and what debian version you upgrading to jessie?
• 4076[22:22:10] <markybob> rendar: you realize you're missing replaced-url
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• 4080[22:23:39] <rendar> towo`: wheezy
• 4081[22:24:00] <rendar> markybob: ok
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• 4084[22:26:01] <rendar> markybob: that live gave a lot of 404 not found links
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• 4086[22:26:13] <SomeT> what command do you use to run ghci in debian linux?
• 4087[22:26:16] <SomeT> ghci?
• 4088[22:26:30] <markybob> !jessie sources.list
• 4089[22:26:30] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 4090[22:26:41] <markybob> rendar: do that
• 4091[22:26:50] <rendar> ok
• 4092[22:26:59] <rendar> towo`: hmm it started downloading packages...
• 4093[22:27:03] <mezo> why is there no easy way to restore a source.list?
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• 4095[22:27:42] <greycat> You can just retype it in a matter of seconds. It's only 3 lines.
• 4096[22:27:44] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
• 4097[22:27:45] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 4100[22:28:11] <teraflops> is a plain text file I'm pretty sure is there an easy way of restoring it
• 4101[22:28:38] <jhutchins> mezo: THere is an easy way to restore it, just copy the backup you made before you changed it. Just like any other config file.
• 4102[22:28:56] <greycat> You should definitely be backing up /etc (among other things), so you should *have* a backup of it, wherever you are storing your backups.
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• 4104[22:29:55] <jhutchins> Seems like there was an editor that automatically created a backup copy before it wrote changes.
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• 4118[22:33:05] <ompaul> pity somet went
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• 4120[22:33:13] <ompaul> I think it is just ghc
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• 4124[22:34:06] <Iridos> markybob, there is? Ah yes... there wasn't, I said it was quite some time ago :)
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• 4132[22:36:32] <jesun> need help with partition
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• 4140[22:39:21] <Okee> I have a big mess on my hands, after removing screensaver, and installing another screensaver, who's name I don't recall, but was mentioned on here yesterday. I can't even find the command prompt, and currently connecting via IRC the web browser. When selecting Activities in the upper left hand corner, there is a popup that says gnome, but the entire desktop looks like a big mess.
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• 4144[22:39:59] <rendar> root@dev:~# reboot
• 4145[22:39:59] <rendar> Failed to talk to init daemon. ...I've never saw this! :( any help? I have just finished a apt-get dist-upgrade..and now i get this
• 4146[22:40:17] <greycat> rendar: did you ever tell us what kernel you are using?
• 4147[22:40:29] <rendar> 2.6.32 sorry
• 4148[22:40:35] <greycat> No. EXACTLY. uname -a
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• 4150[22:40:40] <rendar> Linux dev 2.6.32-042stab084.26 #1 SMP Mon Feb 17 21:00:14 MSK 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 4151[22:40:53] <greycat> Right, it's not a Debian kernel. You're in an OpenVZ VPS container.
• 4152[22:40:59] <rendar> yeah
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• 4156[22:41:21] <rendar> greycat: how you saw that, btw? shouldn't kernel be the same?
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• 4158[22:41:42] <greycat> My OpenVZ VPS has a similar kernel, with "stab" in the version string.
• 4159[22:41:52] <greycat> Linux remote 2.6.32-042stab090.5 #1 SMP Sat Jun 21 00:15:09 MSK 2014 i686 GNU/Linux
• 4160[22:42:05] <ompaul> wow that's an old container
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• 4163[22:42:27] <ompaul> nearly old enough to qualify for the software equivelent of a pension
• 4164[22:42:35] <greycat> I have not even *tried* to upgrade it past wheezy because I have no idea whether the jessie userspace can exist on such a kernel.
• 4165[22:43:00] <teraflops> rendar: because it's the host kernel
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• 4169[22:43:27] <ompaul> greycat: I think you'd find that libc would kill it off - if you wanted to copy it and play with it
• 4170[22:43:29] <DammitJim> is there an order in which an sshd_config file is read?
• 4171[22:43:30] <rendar> teraflops: yeah, you mean "042stab090.5"?
• 4172[22:43:40] <DammitJim> meaning, can I change the line order to create a template?
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• 4174[22:43:51] <greycat> DammitJim: you can reorder the lines
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• 4176[22:43:59] <DammitJim> thank you!
• 4177[22:44:11] <teraflops> I meant the 2.6 part and the fact that you cannot upgrade the kernel
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• 4180[22:44:24] <greycat> DammitJim: the only position-sensitive parts would be a "Match" block, and Debian doesn't use one of those by default.
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• 4182[22:44:28] <markybob> Okee: you can't keep coming in here asking for help when you mix debian with ubuntu. we've talked about this.
• 4183[22:44:39] <DammitJim> yeah, not using those
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• 4186[22:45:11] <markybob> and now it's smoke time
• 4187[22:45:13] <jesun> I have a MAC Mini powerpc, 1.25 ghz, 1 gb memory, Darwin 8, can someone inform me with a better upgrade?
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• 4191[22:45:49] <greycat> rendar: I am very interested in whatever you find out about wheezy->jessie on an OpenVZ with 2.6.32, for obvious reasons.
• 4192[22:46:19] <Okee> I urgently need help, and wondering if someone can help me find the command prompt? My entire desktop and screensaver has been trashed, and I can't find anything. When I select the "Activities", from the top dropdown menu, four icons appear: a life jacket that says gnome help when hovering over it, an icon for files, an icon foe iceweasel, an icon for show applications. If you select the "show applications, they appear for a fleeing
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• 4194[22:46:47] <greycat> Okee: if the whole GUI is pear-shaped, you can always get to a command prompt on Ctrl-Alt-F2 (etc.)
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• 4197[22:47:00] <Okee> I don't even know where the program for hexchat went to, and I am communicating via IRC the web browser.
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• 4199[22:47:37] <Okee> greycat> Do you know the name of the screensaver that someone recommended yesterday? I want to remove it, and go back to XScreensaver.
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• 4201[22:47:51] <greycat> no
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• 4204[22:48:14] <greycat> You might be able to get some idea of what you did by reading /var/log/dpkg.log
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• 4212[22:50:22] <DammitJim> is it true that RSAAuthentication is only needed for ssh if one is using Protocol 1?
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• 4216[22:50:38] <greycat> NOBODY should be using SSH protocol 1.
• 4217[22:51:29] <greycat> And yes, sshd(8) confirms what you just said.
• 4218[22:51:36] <greycat> err, I mean sshd_config(5)
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• 4220[22:52:01] <jesun> how can you check to see if you're using SSH protocol 1?
• 4221[22:52:17] <greycat> grep Protocol /etc/ssh/sshd_config
• 4222[22:52:20] <DammitJim> ty
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• 4226[22:52:48] <jesun> i have an old Mac mini
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• 4231[22:53:27] <tomcat44> Does anybody know the reason why this kernel released? 3.16.7-ckt25-2
• 4232[22:53:39] <tomcat44> I cannot find any info about it in the security list or the homepage
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• 4235[22:53:58] <axc1298> greycat: that's cool. i didn't know you can just grep like that without cat first
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• 4238[22:54:24] <greycat> tomcat44: /usr/share/doc/pkgname/README.Debian*
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• 4243[22:55:54] <tomcat44> that file doesnt exist
• 4244[22:56:01] <tomcat44> ther eis a changelog there but it's for the currently installed kernel
• 4245[22:56:03] <tomcat44> not this new one
• 4246[22:56:05] <greycat> sorry, changelog.Debian.gz
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• 4248[22:56:20] <tomcat44> I currentl yhave the kernel that came with the last point release
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• 4250[22:56:26] <greycat> *sigh*
• 4251[22:56:39] <tomcat44> yeah sigh
• 4252[22:56:42] <greycat> tomcat44: zless /usr/share/doc/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz
• 4253[22:56:52] <tomcat44> did I say I dont know how to zless
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• 4255[22:57:01] <tomcat44> i said the changelog is for the currently installed kernel
• 4256[22:57:04] <tomcat44> and has nothing about this new one in it
• 4257[22:57:15] <tomcat44> there has to be a web page somewhere about this
• 4258[22:57:32] <frikinz> tomcat44: replaced-url
• 4259[22:57:33] <greycat> Mine has an entry for 3.16.7-ckt25-2 which is what I am running.
• 4260[22:57:43] <tomcat44> yeah because you've installed it
• 4261[22:57:46] <tomcat44> ty frikinz
• 4262[22:57:50] <greycat> what the fuck
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• 4264[22:58:11] <greycat> OF COURSE I FUCKING INSTALLED IT, why would you be trying to read a changelog for something that isn't installed yet ....
• 4265[22:58:29] <tomcat44> why would you tell me to read a file for a kernel i haven't installed yet because I want to know what it is first?
• 4266[22:58:34] <greycat> *plonk*
• 4267[22:58:41] <tomcat44> typical patronizing neckbeard
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• 4269[22:58:47] <tomcat44> use zless
• 4270[22:58:48] <tomcat44> derp
• 4271[22:58:59] <tomcat44> so this is just a bug release for a radeon issue
• 4272[22:59:08] <jesun> i did service ssh stop and i got this
• 4273[22:59:10] <tomcat44> and some usb thing
• 4274[22:59:12] <jesun> launchctl: CFURLWriteDataAndPropertiesToResource(/System/Library/LaunchDaemons/ssh.plist) failed: -10
• 4275[22:59:14] <jesun> No such process
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• 4278[22:59:30] <greycat> jesun: did you recently dist-upgrade to jessie and not reboot yet?
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• 4280[23:00:03] <jesun> im new to the unix world. i go based off of research and my understanding
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• 4282[23:00:17] <jesun> im a newbie
• 4283[23:00:27] <qeni> Hi, do you know some programs showing Debian logo like screenfetch or archey? I'm looking for something smaller, more minimalistic - in Arch that's not a problem, we've got many others like alsi
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• 4285[23:00:46] <jesun> greycat: can you help me?
• 4286[23:00:49] <greycat> jesun: did you recently dist-upgrade to jessie and not reboot yet?
• 4287[23:01:06] <jesun> i never dist-upgrade
• 4288[23:01:18] <Okee> greycat> Things have gone from bad to worse. I accessed the command prompt with Ctrl Alt F2, but nothing would open up, and I couldn’t exit. I rebotted, and my system won’t boot. it is stuck at the initiallization screen, that says Loading, please wait [ 0.740684] pata_jmicron 0000:03:00.0: no available native port. How do I fix this problem? I regret upgrading the screensaver.
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• 4293[23:02:49] <jesun> greycat: i am running OS X Tiger
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• 4295[23:03:01] <jesun> im out of date on alot
• 4296[23:03:08] <greycat> jesun: if you're on jessie, the proper method is "systemctl stop ssh.service" and "systemctl start ssh.service". I don't really know what the "service" command does. It comes primarily from the Red Hat world.
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• 4298[23:03:15] <greycat> ... what. What.
• 4299[23:03:17] <greycat> *PLONK*
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• 4301[23:03:19] <teraflops> Heh
• 4302[23:03:29] <markybob> i don't know what's happened in here
• 4303[23:03:38] <Okee> greycat> Before rebooting, I installed XScreensaver, but couldn’t open any programs on the computer.
• 4304[23:03:40] <teraflops> Hahah
• 4305[23:03:55] <greycat> Okee: I have no advice for you. I'm sorry. I don't know this GNOME stuff at all.
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• 4307[23:04:14] <teraflops> Okee: it looks like a HW issue
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• 4309[23:04:21] <Okee> greycat> I never installed gnome, but another screensaver that was recommended by jmcnaught.
• 4310[23:04:32] <Okee> So how do i recover? i can’t bootup?
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• 4313[23:04:47] <markybob> yes, and jmcnaught knows his shit, but you mix debian and ubuntu and that breaks shit
• 4314[23:04:51] <markybob> we can't help with that
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• 4316[23:05:08] <Okee> markybob> I do not have Ubuntu on here.
• 4317[23:05:16] <markybob> i remember your sources
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• 4319[23:05:27] <Okee> sources?
• 4320[23:05:48] <markybob> i think that's what i just said
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• 4322[23:06:06] <Okee> markybob> Sources on here are for Debian Jessie. The .dot programs were deactivated in the sources list.
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• 4324[23:06:28] <Okee> So how do I acquire a native port?
• 4325[23:06:29] <markybob> he probably told you to use light-locker, btw
• 4326[23:06:33] <markybob> !xscreensaver
• 4327[23:06:33] <dpkg> from memory, xscreensaver is upstream doesn't understand how stable distro works so users are getting "very old" alerts. consider light-locker if you need something. removed from unstable. replaced-url
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• 4329[23:07:14] <greycat> What the hell is a ".dot file" and what do you mean by "a native port"?
• 4330[23:07:14] <markybob> Okee: the whole point is when you mix stuff we can't support it
• 4331[23:07:17] <jesun> can i remove ssh, ssh-add, ssh-agent, ssh-keygen, ssh-keyscan manually?
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• 4333[23:07:25] <jmcnaught> Okee: i told you about some other screen lockers. did you install something, and fail to read the list of packages that would be removed, and agree to it anyways? maybe you could tell us the story of what happened, starting from before it was broken?
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• 4339[23:08:04] <greycat> Oh, "native port" comes from his error message. I have no idea what that means, at all.
• 4340[23:08:08] <Okee> I don’t need anything removed from unstable because I am not running unstable, but dpkg recommends light locker to remove something from unstable. It looks like lightlocker shouldn’t have been installed.
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• 4342[23:08:33] <markybob> omg now you have unstable too
• 4343[23:08:34] <Okee> I am not aware of any packages removed from light locker, and only booted up for the first time. It was in Jessie’s repository, so I find the dpkg message strange.
• 4344[23:08:36] <markybob> jesus
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• 4346[23:08:50] <greycat> Okee: no, it is saying that the xscreensaver package has been removed from unstable, and therefore will not appear in the NEXT stable release, whenever that is.
• 4347[23:08:56] <markybob> Okee: how many times must i have the bot tell you about dontbreakdebian?
• 4348[23:09:13] <greycat> Slow down. He's confused. He doesn't read English very well.
• 4349[23:09:21] <markybob> okay
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• 4351[23:09:23] <Okee> jmcnaught> I installed the light locker, but received no prompt at all about packages being removed. i thought this was a screensaver you were recommending, to replace XScreensaver.
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• 4357[23:10:57] <jesun> TOWHOMITMAYCONCERN: can i remove ssh, ssh-add, ssh-agent, ssh-keygen, ssh-keyscan manually?
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• 4363[23:11:36] <Okee> The order of steps that occured was that I may have installed Light-Locker, and then received a popup advising me that I had two screen savers, and it asked which one I wanted. I thought the one I selected was associated with Light Locker. I booted the next day, and the desktop was trashed, and most programs were not accessible. I then contacted you via IRC web browser, then selected Ctrl Alt F2, installed XScreensaver, rebooted, and now h
• 4364[23:11:37] <Okee> this error message. The system won’t boot.
• 4365[23:11:51] <markybob> jesun: sure. there's in openssh-client
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• 4370[23:12:55] <jmcnaught> Okee: are you sure it didn't say it was going to remove anything?
• 4371[23:13:14] <Okee> jmcnaught> I have never been prompted for something to be removed.
• 4372[23:13:46] <jmcnaught> Okee: light-locker depends on lightdm, did you already use lightdm?
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• 4375[23:13:59] <Okee> jmcnaught> I don’t know what lightdm is.
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• 4378[23:14:34] <Okee> jmcnaught> Is light-locker a screensaver?
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• 4381[23:14:42] <jmcnaught> Okee: it is a display manager, the graphical login screen
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• 4383[23:14:46] <greycat> ,info light-locker
• 4384[23:14:47] <judd> Package light-locker (x11, optional) in jessie/amd64: simple screen locker for lightDM display manager. Version: 1.4.0-2+b1; Size: 224.9k; Installed: 366k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 4385[23:14:52] <teraflops> Okee: the message complains about a disk controller. Where is your HD located? At the mobo? Are you running the system in an USB disk or whatever?
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• 4387[23:15:25] <Okee> jmcnaught> I probably woudn’t have installed it if I knew that it was a display manager. i was just looking for a screensaver.
• 4388[23:15:31] <jhutchins> Okee: In spite of the sequence, it's quite possible that the steps you took are not related to the problem.
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• 4390[23:15:39] <teraflops> That jmicron pata thing looks like that
• 4391[23:15:46] <Okee> I am not running the system on USB. The system is booted from a hard drive.
• 4392[23:16:12] <jhutchins> teraflops: You can usually have multiple programs for the same purpose installed, they might not run at the same time if one of them locks a resource.
• 4393[23:16:39] <jhutchins> Okee: You can usually have multiple programs for the same purpose installed, they might not run at the same time if one of them locks a resource.
• 4394[23:16:43] <jhutchins> teraflops: Oops.
• 4395[23:17:07] <Okee> jmcnaught> Is there a way to remove light-locker? i can probably get into the computer via Centos.
• 4396[23:17:24] <greycat> A screen saver program should not be causing boot failures with "pata" in the messages, that's for sure.
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• 4400[23:17:43] <jhutchins> Okee: Agreed with greycat.
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• 4404[23:18:10] <jhutchins> Okee: A Debian live would be a better way to access package management, you can set the system up chroot, but it does not look like you have viable hardware anyway.
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• 4406[23:18:29] <jhutchins> Okee: I would recommend booting to a live ISO and checking the hardware.
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• 4408[23:18:39] <greycat> PATA (Parallel ATA) is another name for IDE. It's the older kind of disk controller, before SATA.
• 4409[23:18:40] <jhutchins> Okee: You could also physically check the connections.
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• 4413[23:19:17] <jhutchins> PATA is physically old enough to be suspicious.
• 4414[23:19:24] <greycat> yeah
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• 4419[23:20:19] <Okee> jhutchins> I have both SATA and ATA on here. This is a 2007 computer when the turnover was still not finalized.
• 4420[23:20:26] <greycat> You said you could maybe "get into it via Centos". If there's another OS installed, see if that boots.
• 4421[23:20:33] <Okee> The only Debian boot disk that I have is 7.2
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• 4423[23:20:58] <jhutchins> Okee: You can use that as a rescue disk to check the drives.
• 4424[23:21:17] <Okee> greycat> Centos is on a different drive. Wouldn’t it be better to boot from 7.2
• 4425[23:21:27] <greycat> The point is to get *anything* at all booted.
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• 4428[23:22:01] <Okee> ok. I am rebooting
• 4429[23:22:08] <jhutchins> Okee: At the point where it's trying to load that driver, it doesn't even have knowledge of a GUI.
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• 4433[23:22:49] <greycat> Given the age of the hardware, physical failure is very possible.
• 4434[23:22:52] <zylinx> hi all o/
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• 4436[23:23:47] <Okee> strange. This time it booted, without even going into the disk, and I received a bunch of lines indicating it was recovering from the journal. I am wondering if there is some type of hardware problem. However, everything was tested a few weeks ago.
• 4437[23:24:01] <greycat> if it comes up, make a backup. top priority.
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• 4440[23:24:41] <teraflops> Okee: if you care about your data make backups as soon as possible
• 4441[23:24:43] <karlpinc> Okee: Possibly related to the kernel regression just fixed in jessie-updates?
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• 4443[23:24:45] <greycat> I would also prepare to replace the whole machine, if that's possible given your budget/restraints.
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• 4445[23:25:22] <jhutchins> Okee: Yes, there is almost certainly a hardware problem.
• 4446[23:25:28] <karlpinc> (I just jumped in here, so haven't read any of the backhistory.)
• 4447[23:25:33] <zylinx> anyone have an ear for my woes ?
• 4448[23:25:40] <zylinx> im having issues with my debian install, whenever i do browse to a page with allot of css animation, my machine locks up completely (ie. cannot toggle numlock / ctrl+alt+F1)
• 4449[23:25:55] <Okee> Well I now have this nutty desktop, with the “Acitivities” in the upper top part of the menu. I would think getting rid of the light-locker might be helpful, until I can figure out what is going on.
• 4450[23:26:10] <jhutchins> zylinx: Is adobe flash involved?
• 4451[23:26:16] <zylinx> jhutchins: no
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• 4453[23:26:23] <karlpinc> Okee: Switch to a vt and do a backup.
• 4454[23:26:33] <jhutchins> zylinx: We presume you're using iceweasel/firefox, try a different browser.
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• 4457[23:26:38] <teraflops> zylinx: I always blame javascript (sorry bad joke)
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• 4459[23:27:08] <zylinx> maybe, but it also happens when i do other graphics 'intensive' things
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• 4461[23:27:21] <zylinx> it does however only happen in iceweasel
• 4462[23:27:33] <jhutchins> zylinx: You'll have to replace the points and distributor then.
• 4463[23:27:37] <karlpinc> zylinx: nvidia hardware?
• 4464[23:27:46] <zylinx> karlpinc: no radeon
• 4465[23:27:47] <zylinx> replaced-url
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• 4467[23:28:01] <zylinx> my lockup happens at 23:15:13
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• 4469[23:28:22] <zylinx> something about kernel NULL pointer
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• 4471[23:29:01] <zylinx> it just started happening recently though
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• 4473[23:29:14] <Okee> karelpinc> How do I switch to a vt? I am at the command prompt, accessed with Ctrl Alt F2, and have removed light-locker, and associated packages.
• 4474[23:29:34] <zylinx> i did have an update a day or two ago, not sure if its after i restarted my machine since then it started.... or since i visited that .gov site
• 4475[23:29:39] <zylinx> but it has me clueless
• 4476[23:30:10] <markybob> associated packages? you removed libc6?
• 4477[23:30:17] <jhutchins> zylinx: Which release, which kernel?
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• 4481[23:30:48] <karlpinc> zylinx: Perhaps this: replaced-url
• 4482[23:30:53] <zylinx> 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-1 (2016-03-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 4483[23:31:04] <jhutchins> ,kernels
• 4484[23:31:05] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.5.0-trunk-686-pae (4.5-1~exp1); sid: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.6-1); stretch: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.4.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.4.6-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
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• 4487[23:31:42] <jhutchins> zylinx: You might try the backports kernel.
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• 4489[23:31:49] <jesun> is SSD safer in SOCKS server than SSH?
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• 4492[23:32:15] <jhutchins> jesun: Define safer.
• 4493[23:32:21] <zylinx> ok. does that mean this was caused by an update ?
• 4494[23:32:31] <jhutchins> zylinx: Unknown.
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• 4499[23:33:02] <zylinx> is there any way for me to roll back from my last update ?
• 4500[23:33:02] <jesun> jhutchins: would ssd be an alternative to SSH?
• 4501[23:33:07] <jmcnaught> Okee: "activities" sounds like you have installed gnome. do you remember which display manager or desktop environment you were using before? you could take a look at /var/log/apt/history.log for some context
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• 4503[23:33:19] <jhutchins> zylinx: Happening in kernel, caused by radeon driver. Try different kernel, try different driver.
• 4504[23:33:24] <Okee> markybob6> I don’t think lib6 was removed. I have rebootted, and still have a smeared mess. I suspect there is somet type of hardware failure. How do I do a backup via VT?
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• 4506[23:33:41] <jmcnaught> Okee: oh, i see you're also dealing with potential hardware failure. definitely you should back up important stuff first.
• 4507[23:33:42] <jhutchins> jesun: As far as I know ssd means solid state disk, so I'm a bit puzzled.
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• 4510[23:35:35] <Okee> jmcnaught> I am not sure what is going on, bnut the PATA screen suggest something isn’t right.
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• 4512[23:36:37] <jmcnaught> Okee: did you share a paste with the PATA errors? On my old desktop I was getting errors like that, it turned out to be the optical drive that I didn't need anymore. Don't let that deter you from doing backups though.
• 4513[23:36:38] <Okee> I have enough room on a memory stick to backup the entire folders file, but can’t access the command prompt, without going to Ctrl Alt F2. The last time I access the command prompt via this method I couldn’t return to the desktop, by merely entering ‘exit’.
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• 4516[23:37:16] <jmcnaught> Okee: can you just do it in a terminal window? usually you can get back to the GUI with Alt+F7, but it could be one of the other F# keys
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• 4518[23:37:32] <jesun> jhutchins: i typed that out wrong. i found my answer online :)
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• 4521[23:38:17] <Okee> jmcnaught> I am in the terminal, which was accessed via Ctrl Alt F2. So what do I do now? Normally i would use backupPC. I think it is still installed on here.
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• 4526[23:39:51] <jmcnaught> Okee: did you try using backuppc in your gui session? just because the menus are different doesn't mean backuppc won't be there
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• 4528[23:40:24] <Okee> jmcnaught> The gui is virtually non-existent, and looks like a big smear…..
• 4529[23:40:49] <Okee> jmcnaught> I am able to get into the Home Directory.
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• 4533[23:42:24] <dwalker> hey guys, im having a server that keeps locking up on me, and i have been looking into the cause for this.. While it is running debian, it is running a self compiled 4.4.1 kernel, the call trace is here: replaced-url
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• 4535[23:42:29] <dwalker> any advices to try and narrow this down?
• 4536[23:42:38] <jmcnaught> Okee: what if you click on that activities in the top-left, then type "backuppc" ?
• 4537[23:42:45] <Okee> I recall being prompted to select one of two options, immediately after installing light-locker awhile back. I am wondering if some of my current problem is because of that, and how to bring up that prompt again? I am not able to access backuppc.
• 4538[23:42:58] <Okee> I see the program at the command prompt.
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• 4542[23:43:54] <jmcnaught> Okee: i don't know what message you're talking about, maybe soemthing related to "pick which display manager you want to use?"
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• 4544[23:43:57] <Okee> can’t get back to the desktop, so I did a Ctrl Alt Del
• 4545[23:44:13] <Okee> jmcnaught> I think so. How do i get back to that prompt
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• 4548[23:44:45] <jmcnaught> Okee: first of all, stop rebooting especially if you think your system is having trouble booting
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• 4550[23:45:40] <jmcnaught> Okee: don't use the virtual consoles if you don't know how to get back to the GUI. generally it'll be one of the Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc.. most keyboards only have 12 of the F# keys
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• 4553[23:47:00] <Okee> system is booting as clean. I just booted into guest mode, and the desktop is virtually non-existent, and looks like a big smear.
• 4554[23:47:29] <jmcnaught> Okee: i don't know what smears look like, or what guest mode is.
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• 4557[23:48:06] <jmcnaught> Okee: do you know which display manager you were using before? lxdm perhaps?
• 4558[23:48:11] <Okee> jmcnaught> There is no desktop at all. It looks like a big corrupted screen. I am booting into Centos.
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• 4562[23:48:57] <FlyingPersian> hey peeps. can anyone help me with this issue I'm running into when trying to remove a package? --> replaced-url
• 4563[23:49:19] <jmcnaught> Okee: i'm having trouble following you. you should be able to select which desktop/window manager you want to use at the log in screen. not sure why you need to go to centos unless you're going to be backing stuff up
• 4564[23:49:29] <kingsley> Cool new fuzzing code finds file system bugs.
• 4565[23:49:45] <kingsley> replaced-url
• 4566[23:49:57] <kingsley> Time to find a bug in Btrfs: 5 seconds
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• 4568[23:50:01] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell FlyingPersian about localized errors
• 4569[23:50:08] <kingsley> Ext4: 2 hours
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• 4571[23:50:45] <FlyingPersian> my bad
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• 4574[23:51:13] <jmcnaught> FlyingPersian: no worries.. i think i almost know what's going on there, but would rather not guess
• 4575[23:51:37] <Okee> jmcnaught> I went into Centos to back some things up. I see all the Debian files, and wonder if there is some type of setting problem preventing the desktop from coming up.
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• 4577[23:52:00] <FlyingPersian> jmcnaught: I removed the unimportant stuff and will translate the rest
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• 4582[23:53:02] <jmcnaught> Okee: the problem might just be that you're selecting a DE at the login screen that you're unfamiliar with. Back up your files, let us (not just me) know when you're back in Debian. Maybe be ready to take a picture of the screen if you cannot describe it
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• 4584[23:53:36] <FlyingPersian> replaced-url
• 4585[23:54:06] <Okee> jmcnaught> I can describe it great. It looks like someone took some water paint, mixed it up good, smearing it all over the screen — kind of like a wild artistic creation :)
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• 4587[23:56:16] <jmcnaught> FlyingPersian: so dkpg is having trouble removing a package. perhaps at one point you edited the /etc/init.d/plexmediaserver file? This package isn't part of Debian, so you might need to check with whoever made it to see why it's broken
• 4588[23:57:26] <FlyingPersian> what if I removed the file?
• 4589[23:57:50] <jmcnaught> FlyingPersian: you could look at the package's prerm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info to see what it's trying to do, do it manually, put exit 0 near the top of that script to make sure it exits cleanly, and never use that package again
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• 4591[23:58:34] <FlyingPersian> replaced-url
• 4592[23:58:37] <FlyingPersian> looks good to me
• 4593[23:59:19] <jmcnaught> FlyingPersian: can apt-get remove the package now?
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• 4595[23:59:40] <FlyingPersian> yeah
• 4596[23:59:45] <FlyingPersian> that's the output of apt-get remove
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