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16 [00:10:50] <TheSin> hey anyone here know apt-file? I just updated and none -N and -s are gone, so how can I set non-interactive and set a specific sources.list now?
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33 [00:21:23] <jml2> TheSin, for jessie?
34 [00:21:34] <jml2> TheSin, here i use apt-file sometimes, i still see these options available
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36 [00:22:20] <n6101> hi
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41 [00:24:09] <TheSin> jml2, for testing, they are gone :( and I use it on a web site for file searches so I ened to be able to do both those things
42 [00:24:52] <markybob> TheSin: well for testing try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic for better help
43 [00:25:06] <TheSin> markybob, k thanks
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100 [00:49:05] <transhuman> does debian use cgroups?
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104 [00:49:43] <transhuman> replaced-url
105 [00:49:57] <transhuman> this doesnt work but I am wondering if some variation of this would
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131 [01:06:48] <MaBunny> Hey guys
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133 [01:07:08] <MaBunny> In 30mins it will be morning here so
134 [01:07:24] <MaBunny> Ill keep it simple as possible
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136 [01:07:59] <MaBunny> So ive done the steps TomTomTosch told me too
137 [01:08:42] <MaBunny> I hav redone the apt mirror,and for some 7-8 hours it went downloading
138 [01:09:32] <MaBunny> And after tht it showed me a window to select which software to include
139 [01:10:17] <MaBunny> I clicked yes on Debian window manager,gnome , ssh server n system utilities
140 [01:10:52] <MaBunny> It went on downloading for those 7-8 hrs around 1450 packages
141 [01:10:59] <MaBunny> Or something
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143 [01:11:13] <MaBunny> And then it said "failed"
144 [01:11:19] <MaBunny> *kabaam
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146 [01:11:25] <MaBunny> Ok
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148 [01:12:04] <MaBunny> So wht steps should i follow now,if you guys can tell me
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152 [01:12:32] <MaBunny> I hav an exam today and will leave for the exam centre
153 [01:12:58] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: check tty4 (by pressing ctrl+alt+f4) for details of the failure
154 [01:13:03] <MaBunny> Which is some 70 kms away for something like 2 hrs later
155 [01:13:07] <MaBunny> Ok
156 [01:13:25] <MaBunny> In the shell window???
157 [01:13:46] <MaBunny> What cmd is tht??? check tty4 ???
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159 [01:14:11] <MaBunny> Wait will try
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161 [01:14:34] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: it's nto a command, it's an action that the user takes. going to tty4 with ctrl+alt+f4, looking for errors on the screen.
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163 [01:15:04] <MaBunny> Ok
164 [01:15:22] <MaBunny> I pressed check tty4
165 [01:15:44] <lux7676> i think now it would be best for me to use 7.9 debian until i have time upgrading since 7.9 actually works except does not support avi or mp3 files
166 [01:15:49] <MaBunny> But it didnt show anything,though i pressed ctrl alt f1
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168 [01:16:11] <lux7676> any way i can downalod some packages for that ?
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170 [01:16:30] <lux7676> but i would have to download it as a file and then transfer it from usb
171 [01:16:32] <MaBunny> Ok
172 [01:16:36] <lux7676> i cant do it from the terminal
173 [01:16:49] <MaBunny> It didnt show anything jmcnaught
174 [01:17:02] <MaBunny> In the ctrl atl f4
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177 [01:17:10] <MaBunny> *window
178 [01:17:45] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: that's where the debian installer shows details. Are any of these languages easier for you than english? Chinese Czech French German Greek Italian Japanese Korean Portuguese Russian Spanish Swedish Vietnamese
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181 [01:18:02] <MaBunny> Haha
182 [01:18:14] <MaBunny> I wish bengali was there too
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184 [01:18:25] <MaBunny> But in any case
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186 [01:18:52] <MaBunny> My english is *excellent by indian standards ;)
187 [01:18:56] <MaBunny> My frnd
188 [01:19:07] <MaBunny> Ok
189 [01:19:18] <MaBunny> Leaving tht besides
190 [01:19:48] <MaBunny> I pressed ctrl alt f4 n it took me to a diff window thn
191 [01:19:56] <MaBunny> Ctrl alt f1
192 [01:19:57] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: okay, i wasn't trying to judge your language skills or anything. those are the languages that the debian install manual is available in. I recommend you read it, again if you have already, very thoroughly, before trying the install again: replaced-url
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194 [01:20:42] <MaBunny> Which portion should i specifically read for my current problem???
195 [01:20:53] <MaBunny> Any suggestion??
196 [01:21:07] <MaBunny> I mean sec 7.5/4.3
197 [01:21:16] <MaBunny> Its huge
198 [01:21:23] <MaBunny> Lol
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200 [01:21:46] <MaBunny> And i am in my mobile now
201 [01:22:09] <MaBunny> So simuntaneously 2 screens are a darn
202 [01:22:18] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: I don't know what caused the failure. maybe you didn't have enough space on your root partition? The install manual isn't that long really, and it will take you less time to read than repeatedly reattempting the install. Pretend it's mandatory for school if that helps.
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204 [01:22:38] <MaBunny> Haha
205 [01:22:48] <MaBunny> Well,ok but
206 [01:23:03] <MaBunny> I had 12 gb of my 16 gb as root
207 [01:23:06] <MaBunny> Ok
208 [01:23:11] <MaBunny> Ill check
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211 [01:23:44] <MaBunny> Spell my name if you guys want to catch my interest ;)
212 [01:23:52] <lux7676> jmcaught will this support playing mp3 files ? with debian 7.9 replaced-url
213 [01:24:40] <transhuman> ok so getting the following strace replaced-url
214 [01:25:05] <transhuman> looks like a missing config file..ok but whats the other one?
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217 [01:25:38] <NYTimes> hey how do I exit a server without closing programs
218 [01:25:40] <NYTimes> ?
219 [01:25:57] <jml2> NYTimes, ??
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221 [01:26:07] <jml2> NYTimes, sounds like catch-22
222 [01:26:08] <transhuman> put the screen saver on maybe?
223 [01:26:17] <jml2> NYTimes, close your eyes?
224 [01:26:19] <jml2> XD
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226 [01:26:47] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: try using the guided partitioning option with all-in-one partition next time
227 [01:26:49] <transhuman> run everything as daemons
228 [01:27:18] <jmcnaught> lux7676: i dunno.. i think lots of stuff plays mp3 in wheezy. i never had any problem with it.
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231 [01:27:40] <MaBunny> In my prev instl in deb 8.3 i had choosen manual option
232 [01:27:45] <TomTomTosch> NYTimes, if you mean you want the application running after you have closed the ssh connection you can use something like screen and detach the session.
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234 [01:27:57] <MaBunny> It didnt wreak my time!!
235 [01:27:58] <markybob> !tell NYTimes about screen
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238 [01:28:05] <MaBunny> Smooth as butter
239 [01:28:07] <lux7676> jmcnaught it says that it is not supported
240 [01:28:09] <NYTimes> when I ssh to a vps how do I exit leaving apps running ?
241 [01:28:11] <MaBunny> But ill check
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243 [01:28:22] <lux7676> maybe im just downaloding something thats not full
244 [01:28:23] <markybob> NYTimes: bot just told you
245 [01:28:25] <lux7676> but it should work
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247 [01:28:34] <lux7676> because the system actually works
248 [01:28:40] <NYTimes> TomTomTosch: ok thanks markybob
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250 [01:28:45] <lux7676> i cant play avi or mp3
251 [01:29:01] <aricz> gnu screen <3
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253 [01:29:21] <lux7676> i wanted to know if there is special package
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255 [01:29:27] <lux7676> because linux is ogg
256 [01:29:34] <lux7676> instead of mp3
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258 [01:29:55] <jmcnaught> lux7676: what says that what is not supported? rhythmbox played mp3s for me on wheezy. maybe you just need to install some more gstreamer packages?
259 [01:30:09] <NYTimes> markybob: TomTomTosch ok I see now is tmux the same ?
260 [01:30:21] <jml2> transhuman, the documentation on centos mentions cgroups, but you should know something more about redhat in general -- and that is if you see something for "Centos" or "Redhat" -- you will see the same kernel support for all linux distros
261 [01:30:39] <TomTomTosch> NYTimes: yes.
262 [01:30:43] <jml2> transhuman, ,/documentation was on redhat.. but it can apply in general to more than just centos too
263 [01:30:44] <jmcnaught> lux7676: vlc is also available for wheezy, it plays everything
264 [01:30:49] <lux7676> jmcnaught will you be here for the next couple hours, i will make the iso again and install it
265 [01:31:13] <lux7676> i replaced the usb with 7.9 to 8.4
266 [01:31:14] <TomTomTosch> NYTimes: you can pick any terminal multiplexer.
267 [01:31:15] <\ni> u need codecs lux7676
268 [01:31:23] <lux7676> but we all know wat happened
269 [01:31:29] <jmcnaught> lux7676: if you're doing a fresh install, i recommend Debian 8 (Jessie). I might be around, i'm here a lot lately. There's also 1500+ others that might help you.
270 [01:31:32] <\ni> lux7676, replaced-url
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272 [01:31:53] <transhuman> ok thanks jml2, do you have an answer as to what gcrypt package provides /etc/gcrypt/hwf.deny seems that is the root of my problem according to strace?
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274 [01:32:19] <NYTimes> TomTomTosch: ok but the session will still be open I mean still connected
275 [01:32:23] <NYTimes> right ?
276 [01:32:26] <transhuman> jml2 seems it is missing
277 [01:32:37] <markybob> NYTimes: you'll have to reattach. screen -r after reconnecting
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280 [01:32:48] <lux7676> \ni thanks ! question for you
281 [01:32:52] <MaBunny> So guys
282 [01:33:04] <lux7676> is there any way to download it instead using the terminal
283 [01:33:23] <MaBunny> Something caught my attention while i was checking the guide
284 [01:33:32] <lux7676> i need a way to have it downloaded on one computer and then transfer the files from usb to another one where i can install it
285 [01:33:32] <jml2> transhuman, doesn't mean that it needs it -- strace always shows a lot of "mising" no file found
286 [01:33:34] <\ni> I duno. I normally use the terminal to install stuff
287 [01:33:39] <MaBunny> Its in this link: replaced-url
288 [01:33:41] <NYTimes> yeah I get it I use tmux but I do not understand how to exit properly from ssh
289 [01:33:54] <lux7676> hmm i see
290 [01:33:55] <jml2> transhuman, (especially for osbolete/outdated library files and optional configuration files)
291 [01:34:10] <lux7676> hmm
292 [01:34:21] <MaBunny> It says tht i need a minimum 10gb of disk space,while mine on the usb is 12gb
293 [01:34:21] <markybob> NYTimes: in screen you do ctrl+a d to detach. then you can exit
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295 [01:34:31] <markybob> NYTimes: man screen or google something about it.
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297 [01:34:48] <MaBunny> So is it possible tht it ran out of disk space???
298 [01:34:52] <MaBunny> Idk
299 [01:34:55] <transhuman> IC jml2 unfortunately strace doesnt provide me any further information on why the operation is not permitted .
300 [01:34:56] <lux7676> anyway i can download codecs for debian as a file instead from the terminal
301 [01:35:14] <MaBunny> But ive tht 64gb pendrive,can try on tht one
302 [01:35:15] <jml2> MaBunny, it's common for standard debian to install under 3.5 gigs
303 [01:35:23] <MaBunny> Ok
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305 [01:35:31] <jml2> MaBunny, so you have more than enough disk space
306 [01:35:36] <MaBunny> I mean with gnome???
307 [01:35:39] <jml2> yep
308 [01:35:46] <MaBunny> Ok
309 [01:35:56] <MaBunny> Ok my dad is calling
310 [01:36:00] <jml2> lol
311 [01:36:05] <MaBunny> Need to ready up
312 [01:36:12] <MaBunny> For the trip
313 [01:36:15] <MaBunny> Lol
314 [01:36:20] <MaBunny> Bye guys
315 [01:36:34] <MaBunny> And ill check after my exam
316 [01:36:47] <MaBunny> Thnx for your time :)
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324 [01:38:25] <transhuman> jml2 any options that you might suggest that might get strace to give me more output on what is causing the failed permit jml2...thanks in advance kind of stuck on this one
325 [01:38:25] <lux7676> \ni is this the right thing replaced-url
326 [01:39:26] <jml2> transhuman, what application are you trying to fix?
327 [01:39:33] <jml2> transhuman, maybe i can provide a generic route
328 [01:39:37] <transhuman> tun/tap on aqemu
329 [01:39:53] <transhuman> trying to build a kvm/xen live cd
330 [01:40:06] <jml2> transhuman, oh well then you're trying to compile things..
331 [01:40:08] <transhuman> so need a gui manager for kvm
332 [01:40:16] <markybob> lux7676: for mp3 to work with totem in wheezy you need gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 as well. best bet is just use vlc as you had been told
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334 [01:40:31] <transhuman> aqemu is giving me headackes with networking here is the error hold on
335 [01:40:33] <jml2> transhuman, there's a distro for this already it hink it's called qvwm.. something
336 [01:40:34] <NYTimes> I mean right I ssh then I'm in bash shell lvl1 then zsh lvl2 I start tmux/screen but now that i'm lvl4 how do I exit ssh ? and dont tllme ctrl-c or exit or ctrl-d...
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338 [01:40:56] <transhuman> replaced-url
339 [01:41:05] <markybob> NYTimes: i told you. in screen, ctrl+a d then exit
340 [01:41:14] <markybob> NYTimes: when you ssh back in, screen -r
341 [01:41:14] <\ni> lux7676, the description says that it reads mp3s. Maybe it's what u need (I'm also a debian noob XD )
342 [01:41:14] <lux7676> markybob vlc player ?
343 [01:41:19] <markybob> lux7676: yes
344 [01:41:26] <jml2> transhuman, i think it may have heen this one replaced-url
345 [01:41:29] <lux7676> ok
346 [01:41:35] <jml2> transhuman, as for building anything that's out of the quetsion for me sry
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348 [01:41:59] <ninjaa> helo
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350 [01:42:08] <ninjaa> What is the purpose of seperating / and /home ?
351 [01:42:14] <transhuman> yeah thats based on redhat trying to do similar with debian
352 [01:42:31] <transhuman> hate redhat and its not for security as much as it is for development.
353 [01:42:33] <lux7676> markybob anyway i can install it as a program ?
354 [01:42:34] <lux7676> replaced-url
355 [01:42:36] <transhuman> its a qemu problme
356 [01:42:44] <lux7676> this only gives me option if i have the internet
357 [01:42:51] <transhuman> or more specifically /tun/tap problem
358 [01:42:59] <jml2> transhuman, fwiw.. i think the old brctl is less favored than "openvswitch" -- you have better performance and flexibility as well as "isolation" from protecting different VM traffic
359 [01:43:27] <jml2> transhuman, (check out adding "macvtaps" directly on "eth0" -- and then use macvtaps with VMS -- it's much efficicent as well as secure -- because you can use "mode private")
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361 [01:43:48] <jml2> transhuman, on the "brctl" classic bridge there's no traffic isolation..
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363 [01:44:06] <markybob> lux7676: it's in debian. you can get it from another computer that has internet from replaced-url
364 [01:44:08] <transhuman> do any of the gui's out there use mac taps or am I going to be confined to writting a bunch of scripts?
365 [01:44:10] <jmcnaught> lux7676: "apt-get install vlc" generally not recommended to install stuff in Debian by downloading from websites.. this is a bad windows habit
366 [01:45:06] <lux7676> oh wow
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369 [01:45:20] <lux7676> jmcnaught what is the proper way to download stuff in debian ?
370 [01:46:05] <markybob> lux7676: with internet you use apt-get/aptitude/apt without it you get it from packages.debian.org then dpkg -i foo.deb or use apt-zip if it's intense
371 [01:46:30] <markybob> !tell lux7676 about dontbreakdebian
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373 [01:47:57] <NYTimes> markybob: i just launch htop via ssh thru tmux then I closed the session the sshed back and htop wasn't running anymore
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376 [01:48:11] <NYTimes> I miss smthing here
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378 [01:48:27] <jmcnaught> lux7676: lux7676: heh, to be fair now that I look at replaced-url
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380 [01:48:34] <TomTomTosch> NYTimes: did you detach the session before closing?
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382 [01:49:17] <NYTimes> TomTomTosch: u doubtfooled me lol lemme check again
383 [01:49:30] <lux7676> jmcnaught so i understand tat when downloading something its always best from the offical debian site
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385 [01:49:57] <\ni> if avalible, yes lux7676
386 [01:49:58] <transhuman> jml2 looks like virtual manager supports macvtaps maybe thats the route to go ..thanks
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390 [01:51:02] <\ni> lux7676, you'll get auto-magically updates for everything installed that way
391 [01:51:25] <jmcnaught> lux7676: yes, and Debian has tools like apt-get, aptitude, and (if you must) synaptic for installing software from the official Debian repositories (which have 40,000+ packages in Debian 8)
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393 [01:51:31] <lux7676> jmcnaught ok this means
394 [01:51:44] <lux7676> i need to wifi before anything
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398 [01:52:24] <NYTimes> TomTomTosch: yes its ok that way but technically the ssh connection hed never been cut
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400 [01:52:40] <lux7676> jmcnaught i have to make new iso with the debian 7.9 and go throught the installation and see the network again
401 [01:52:49] <lux7676> ... this might take little bit lol
402 [01:52:57] <TomTomTosch> NYTimes: i don't understand what you want to tell me, sry.
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404 [01:53:36] <lux7676> but im glad that i switched to linux and i will never go back
405 [01:53:44] <pingfloyd> lux7676: it's also good to check the digest and gpg signature
406 [01:54:00] <lux7676> yeah i always do that
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408 [01:54:18] <lux7676> the md5 hash as well
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410 [01:54:26] <lux7676> to double check
411 [01:54:26] <pingfloyd> lux7676: the fingerprints are listed here to compare against if you don't go to keysigning parties replaced-url
412 [01:54:37] <NYTimes> TomTomTosch: when you detach your screen/tmux session then the ssh connection is still up
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414 [01:54:48] <markybob> NYTimes: yes. then you type exit
415 [01:54:49] <TomTomTosch> NYTimes: right..
416 [01:54:53] <pingfloyd> lux7676: I recommend sha256 or better for the hash though
417 [01:55:06] <lux7676> pingfloyd oh ok
418 [01:55:18] <pingfloyd> lux7676: I usually use sha512 myself
419 [01:55:38] <markybob> i did say that before...
420 [01:55:47] <pingfloyd> lux7676: question though, why 7 instead of 8?
421 [01:56:20] <NYTimes> is a vpn usefull for a vps ?
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423 [01:56:42] <TomTomTosch> do apples go nice with oranges?
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425 [01:56:58] <lux7676> because i downloaded the wrong iso and then new one is 3.7gb
426 [01:57:04] <lux7676> the 7.9 is only 650 mb
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429 [01:57:20] <lux7676> im having problems understanding why is there such a big difference
430 [01:57:32] <pingfloyd> lux7676: sounds like the 3.7 is the dvd
431 [01:57:41] <pingfloyd> lux7676: netinstall should be smaller
432 [01:57:45] <TomTomTosch> NYTimes: both have their uses, both can be useful for you. your question has no answer.
433 [01:57:59] <lux7676> yes but i dont have that much bandwitch to use
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436 [01:58:20] <lux7676> i need to do it somewhere else
437 [01:58:45] <lux7676> i hope debain 8.4 does not come with programs like skype
438 [01:58:53] <lux7676> like ubuntu for example
439 [01:59:00] <pingfloyd> lux7676: debian-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso 2016-04-02 16:46 247M
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443 [01:59:30] <markybob> we went through this hours ago. he wants gnome offline installer. not netinst.
444 [01:59:36] <markybob> this keeps going and going
445 [01:59:37] <pingfloyd> lux7676: replaced-url
446 [02:00:13] <TomTomTosch> lux7676: official debian does not come with non-free software.
447 [02:00:20] <NYTimes> TomTomTosch: markybob thx cya sorry for the noise
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449 [02:00:49] <lux7676> pingfloyd but i need to use the one that lets me install without internet
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451 [02:00:54] <lux7676> could i use debian-8.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso
452 [02:00:58] <markybob> lux7676: i really don't know how many more times you want to have this discussion. it's reaching the definition of insanity
453 [02:00:59] <lux7676> is this the offline one ?
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457 [02:01:23] <lux7676> markybob sorry
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459 [02:01:40] <markybob> lux7676: you said you wanted gnome. that's xfce, not gnome
460 [02:02:06] <lux7676> oh
461 [02:02:45] <pingfloyd> xfce is better than gnome anyway
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464 [02:03:02] <markybob> i actually agree but it's not what he asked for
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466 [02:03:15] <lux7676> what is the main difference ?
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468 [02:03:21] <lux7676> xfce is faster ?
469 [02:03:25] <lux7676> more secure ?
470 [02:03:31] <TomTomTosch> they look different.
471 [02:03:36] <lux7676> oh
472 [02:03:50] <pingfloyd> lux7676: xfce is much less bloated
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475 [02:04:10] <pingfloyd> lux7676: but still a reasonable DE at the same time
476 [02:04:31] <TomTomTosch> both get the same done. it's more about taste.
477 [02:04:38] <pingfloyd> lux7676: definitely much lighter
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480 [02:06:09] <linuxfool> What DE are you rocking, pingfloyd ?
481 [02:06:10] <lux7676> pingfloyd is this something like this replaced-url
482 [02:06:30] <pingfloyd> lux7676: that screenshot is gnome 2
483 [02:06:47] <lux7676> oh
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494 [02:08:23] <pingfloyd> lux7676: here's a bunch of screenshots of xfce4 replaced-url
495 [02:08:47] <lux7676> thanks
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499 [02:10:41] <lux7676> pingfloyd it seems more modern
500 [02:10:43] <lux7676> lol
501 [02:11:25] <markybob> lux7676: now google what gnome3 looks like
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507 [02:12:35] <lux7676> markybob it looks like ubuntu wow, see this is what i dont want
508 [02:12:55] <markybob> lux7676: well you said it was :P then yeah, get the xfce cd
509 [02:12:56] <lux7676> i wanted it to be really basic simply style
510 [02:13:02] <lux7676> yes
511 [02:13:03] <armin> then customize to da bone bro
512 [02:13:12] <armin> \m/
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516 [02:13:58] <Mathisen> where is the console command history saved ?
517 [02:14:20] <markybob> Mathisen: ~/.bash_history
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519 [02:14:24] <Mathisen> thx
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521 [02:16:45] <amdp> hello, very stupid question: installing a dns server on my dedicated server and linking my dns (name)server to my domain will make accessing the sites on my server in LESS time than using BIG dns (name)servers like google or others?
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523 [02:17:43] <markybob> amdp: sounds like you just want caching like dnsmasq. look into that
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528 [02:19:17] <amdp> markybob: I looked but the question remains unclear
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531 [02:20:14] <markybob> amdp: once dnsmasq is installed and set up, say someone looks up google.com, it might take 20ms to resolve. then it's cached. 1ms.
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534 [02:21:28] <markybob> amdp: does that really matter to human brains? not really unless you have a lot of boxes connected and doing searches.
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539 [02:22:02] <TomTomTosch> and browsers have their own cache. so... meh.
540 [02:22:06] <lux7676> thanks for the help
541 [02:22:14] <lux7676> i gotta go
542 [02:22:20] <lux7676> bye
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552 [02:25:17] <amdp> markybob: I'll do, but I just need to understand. There's a server ip, and a website whose files are in that physical server. The DNS nameservers like google or domaincontrol.com set up in your domain settings link a name you type in the address bar to that ip and propagate that, so that anybody who types that domain get to that ip and that server. Having an internal DNS server like BIND or like dnsmasq makes it faster the process
553 [02:25:17] <amdp> or not?
554 [02:25:48] <markybob> amdp: oh that's what you mean. no
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556 [02:26:13] <markybob> amdp: don't even bother. use whatever provider you registered your domain with offers
557 [02:26:43] <amdp> so it's ok if I leave google or any dns nameserver on the domain and save cpu on my server is better? or not?
558 [02:27:15] <markybob> amdp: i didn't know google offered that kind of dns but sure if it does. i use linode's dns for my servers
559 [02:27:36] <amdp> are there some faster and some less?
560 [02:27:59] <markybob> amdp: use whatever your provider (who you bought your domain with) offers
561 [02:28:52] <linuxfool> exit
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563 [02:29:33] <amdp> ok, another question to understand the process: the nameservers on my domain just propagate the info about the link between domain name and ip, aren't responsible for the speed of resolving it, or I am wrong?
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565 [02:30:22] <markybob> amdp: the root servers point to your dns server. that server points to your actual server. but it's really fast and you have nothing to worry about.
566 [02:30:30] <markybob> amdp: there are caches all along the way
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568 [02:31:03] <amdp> propagating is different than resolving, right?
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570 [02:31:54] <markybob> english isn't my first language so i'm not sure i'm comfortable with semantics like that.
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574 [02:34:28] <Eduard_Munteanu> amdp, well, only if you mean forwarding requests or slave servers.
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579 [02:36:18] <jmcnaught> amdp: the propagation delay is related to the Time To Live (TTL) of the domain record. If you set your TTL to be 12 hours, then change your DNS records to point to a different IP or something, other DNS resolvers might not see the change for up to 12 hours because they will cache results for however long the TTL tells them to
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586 [02:42:23] <amdp> ok, got it
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589 [02:43:12] <jak2000> hi all
590 [02:43:42] <amdp> then when someone writes the address on her browser the time to associate the ip to the domain name and going to that ip is the "resolving" ?
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595 [02:45:19] <jmcnaught> amdp: yes. their computer asks the DNS resolver listed in /etc/resolv.conf which does the resolving
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600 [02:47:43] <jak2013> i created a lvmVolume group and worked fine, i need use the space of a partition lvm, so so 1.6Tb, i am not mounted but created, here my fdisk -l result: replaced-url
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626 [03:00:32] <amdp> so the browser asks the local machine to connect to a DNS resolver listed in /etc/resolv.conf, and the dns resolver is usually NOT in the client
627 [03:00:59] <amdp> then the resolving time is function of what aspects?
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630 [03:02:01] <socomm> amdp: Can you re-word your question.
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635 [03:02:29] <jmcnaught> amdp: wikipedia's article about DNS is pretty thorough if you want to understand how all the parts work.
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645 [03:05:23] <amdp> socomm: Sure. When somebody types on a browser the name of a website, is that called the "resolving" part? jmcnaught: I am sorry, but propagating and resolving mix and I still don't get the process exactly
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648 [03:06:53] <socomm> amdp: No that is query, resolution gets done further down the stack.
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650 [03:07:25] <socomm> amdp: replaced-url
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656 [03:10:27] <amdp> socomm: nice :-) so, the first query goes to the "recursive resolver", is there a way to know which one is the one I (or another person) am using?
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673 [03:21:13] <pingfloyd> amdp: resolving is taking the domain name and returning the ip address
674 [03:22:04] <pingfloyd> amdp: some browser don't use the libc resolver though. For instance, firefox uses its own
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676 [03:22:18] <amdp> what determines the time of the querying and resolving phase?
677 [03:22:36] <pingfloyd> amdp: this is why you can have issues with name resolution in say apt-get but can still browse without issues.
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679 [03:22:57] <amdp> pingfloyd: ok, nice
680 [03:23:27] <pingfloyd> amdp: depends on what is cached on the name server
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682 [03:24:01] <pingfloyd> amdp: if it's cached it can return the query, otherwise it needs to do some resolving itself
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686 [03:25:09] <Mathisen> anyone that can recomend me a CLI program that can check for podcasts and automaticly download them ?
687 [03:25:30] <pingfloyd> amdp: what you use for your name resolution directly is a recursive name server.
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691 [03:26:12] <pingfloyd> amdp: also other factors can effect the speed of the name resolution
692 [03:26:24] <amdp> are the nameservers associated with the domain responsible of the name resolution?
693 [03:26:25] <pingfloyd> amdp: like the network and the load of the name server, etc.
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696 [03:27:29] <amdp> pingfloyd: the nameservers responsible of the propagation
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698 [03:28:25] <pingfloyd> amdp: your requests usually work like this: the recursive name server is queried, if it has the record in cache it is returned. If it isn't it needs to in turn next query a root server to find the TLD server to query next, and then from their it can query the authoritative name server. Then it can return the query to the client.
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702 [03:29:42] <pingfloyd> amdp: propagation implies other name servers to have their records updated to match the authoritative name server.
703 [03:30:06] <pingfloyd> amdp: this is influenced by TTL setting on the authoritative name server.
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706 [03:31:08] <pingfloyd> amdp: this is why it is a good idea to set TTL real low in preparation for you updating records on your authoritative name server.
707 [03:31:39] <amdp> so the propagation nameservers AFTER propagating do NOT affect the resolution/resolving ?
708 [03:31:57] <pingfloyd> amdp: propagating DNS records
709 [03:32:40] <pingfloyd> amdp: propagation is the act of other name servers getting their records updated when there is a change in them.
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711 [03:32:59] <amdp> pingfloyd: so the propagation nameservers AFTER propagating do NOT affect the resolution/resolving ? (I don't understand your answer, my question is dumb just to clarify)
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714 [03:33:17] <pingfloyd> amdp: propagation affects when the records are updated
715 [03:33:22] <pingfloyd> not the resolution
716 [03:33:31] <amdp> great thanks!
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719 [03:34:07] <pingfloyd> it's just if their is a hold up in propagation, records that are no longer valid (the old ones) may be returned in resolution.
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723 [03:35:40] <amdp> pingfloyd: ok, that is finally clear. So in resolving first there's a query, the query goes to the recursive resolver which is local stuff, a local check if there's a cache already able to resolve the domain name?
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725 [03:36:05] <amdp> if there's no cache, it escalates to the root nameserver
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728 [03:37:26] <markybob> amdp: not to root, no.
729 [03:37:54] <amdp> markybob: but the first part is correct?
730 [03:37:56] <markybob> amdp: whatever the isp your you set. then root eventually if it can't find anything
731 [03:38:02] <markybob> amdp: yes
732 [03:38:02] <pingfloyd> amdp: there may be more than recursive name server involved
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734 [03:38:08] <pingfloyd> than one
735 [03:38:21] <foul_owl> Hi folks. gnome-screenshot segfaults when passing the -w option
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739 [03:39:13] <pingfloyd> amdp: eventually the root server is queried if non of the recursive name servers (and the other ones I told you about) can resolve it
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741 [03:39:48] <amdp> markybob: pingfloyd: so recursive resolverS try, then they ask the root
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743 [03:40:03] <markybob> amdp: yeah. but it hardly ever gets there
744 [03:40:05] <pingfloyd> amdp: yes
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748 [03:40:41] <jak2000> i have 1.5tb free in a lvm partition. how to create a partition, named: backups and mounted on /backups ? here more details: replaced-url
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751 [03:41:11] <amdp> markybob: pingfloyd: amazing, that second piece is very clear now. So recursive name servers, besides browsers cache and local wifi, cannot be influenced if not by the ISP
752 [03:42:04] <pingfloyd> amdp: once the root servers are being queried (if it even comes to that), it means none of the recursive name servers involved in the chain were able to resolve.
753 [03:42:51] <markybob> amdp: sure can. this is how some isps have inserted ads into search queries
754 [03:43:05] <pingfloyd> amdp: yeah, there is all sorts of caches involved to mitigate the recursive querying which makes it take longer to resolve.
755 [03:43:37] <markybob> amdp: oh if not by isp. misread. you're right
756 [03:43:45] <markybob> again, english not first tongue
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759 [03:44:55] <amdp> ok nice! and RARELY they need to ask root nameservers, in that case the speed is just based on root nameservers distance and root nameservers speed
760 [03:45:09] <amdp> markybob: pingfloyd: ^
761 [03:45:27] <pingfloyd> amdp: aside from local caching mechanisms, it all starts at the name server your application has set as a name server, e.g., /etc/resolv.conf
762 [03:45:54] <amdp> pingfloyd: application = browser ?
763 [03:46:09] <pingfloyd> amdp: i.e., sometimes the resolution doesn't even have to reach the name server you've set
764 [03:46:34] <pingfloyd> amdp: browser is an example
765 [03:46:41] <jmcnaught> maybe at this point the DNS discussion belongs in #debian-offtopic
766 [03:46:49] <amdp> pingfloyd: I see, okay, got it
767 [03:46:55] <jmcnaught> jak2000: "man lvcreate" is what you're looking for.
768 [03:47:02] <pingfloyd> amdp: like I mentioned earlier, firefox uses its own resolver
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770 [03:47:45] <amdp> jmcnaught: you're right sorry, the overall concept is understanding the role of a debian server in influencing the resolving phase
771 [03:47:47] <pingfloyd> amdp: like ever experienced where apt-get can't resolve, but you can browse just fine? This is why.
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773 [03:48:01] <amdp> pingfloyd: yea :-)
774 [03:48:01] <pingfloyd> or vice-versa?
775 [03:48:21] <amdp> pingfloyd: in my case vice-versa :-)
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777 [03:49:28] <amdp> pingfloyd: so basically the debian server at the IP resolved can't do anything to make the resolution phase faster, right?
778 [03:50:03] <pingfloyd> amdp: the debian server isn't involved in resolution
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781 [03:50:52] <amdp> pingfloyd: another thing is clear :-) thanks. Installing BIND on a Debian server helps the propagation?
782 [03:51:06] <pingfloyd> yeah
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784 [03:51:27] <pingfloyd> that can speed things up as you have records cached locally
785 [03:51:40] <themill> "helps"? it's either essential or irrelevant.
786 [03:51:41] <jak2000> jmcnaught ok
787 [03:52:00] <markybob> no. don't do that. why? he barely understands the essentials. he should use what his provider gives him
788 [03:52:03] <pingfloyd> amdp: though it doesn't affect the propagation
789 [03:52:14] <pingfloyd> amdp: resolution and propagation are different things
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793 [03:52:48] <pingfloyd> resolution is returning answers to queries. Propagation is update of record changes between name servers.
794 [03:54:01] <amdp> ok, so sorry to everyone for the off-topic, now I have everything clear. Thanks to pingfloyd, markybob, jmcnaught, socomm
795 [03:54:06] <pingfloyd> amdp: mainly what affects the speed of propagation is the TTL set on the authoritative name server that has the records for the domain in question.
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797 [03:54:27] <pingfloyd> beyond that is out of your control
798 [03:54:48] <amdp> pingfloyd: yup, very clear now, thanks :-)
799 [03:54:48] <markybob> yes but that has nothing to do with resolution. just wait the default 15 min
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836 [04:13:23] <mdim> hi all
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838 [04:13:43] <mdim> I'm puzzled by a Debian mirror redirection service that seems unreliable to me
839 [04:14:19] <mdim> in particular, if one uses replaced-url
840 [04:14:25] <mdim> any clue why is that so?
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843 [04:15:46] <mdim> various virtual images and containers depend on the very redirection service, and if there is a new Debian user unfamiliar with the redirection service, they are likely to go with a different OS/distro as "it doesn't work with Debian"
844 [04:16:16] <markybob> jesus why is greycat's shit keep getting deleted??
845 [04:16:18] <themill> mdim: a specific package being missing would mean that you need to apt-get update
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847 [04:17:05] <themill> mdim: if you've got a nearby, reliable mirror then just use that rather than the redirector
848 [04:17:08] <themill> markybob: because it was incorrect nonsense that was making it harder to find the real information?
849 [04:17:12] <mdim> themill: a funny thing is I did that just before fetching the package
850 [04:17:32] <markybob> themill: oh so it's you? he asked about it. i'll let him know.
851 [04:17:33] <mdim> themill: I know how to change that, but that doesn't answer my original question
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853 [04:18:02] <themill> markybob: btw in terms of "keep getting deleted" I fixed it up once
854 [04:18:43] <mdim> themill: i.e. just before trying to fetch the package
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856 [04:19:24] <themill> mdim: it would be handy to know which mirror was actually being used
857 [04:19:29] <themill> !which http.d.n
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859 [04:20:01] <themill> !which http.debian.net
860 [04:20:02] <dpkg> To see which mirror you are being sent to by the <httpredir.debian.org> redirector, substitute the appropriate release and architecture into the following: «wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 replaced-url
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865 [04:23:20] <mdim> themill: I'll check that now. I'm not sure if the answer is going to be deterministic as I'm running this on Gitlab.com's continuous integration service
866 [04:23:55] <themill> you can indeed be sent off to one of many different mirrors although it does tend to be reasonably constant on any given machine
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870 [04:24:46] <mdim> themill: my point is - these are virtual machines/containers, potentially in a cloud, potentially anywhere on Earth
871 [04:25:24] <themill> do they actually have more than one data centre and do you not pay differently for different locations?
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873 [04:26:03] <mdim> themill: I don't know. I'm just saying I have no clue where an actual physical machine is. I'll run the command you suggested now, but as you said, the answer might be different this time
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875 [04:26:20] <mdim> themill: I'm not paying for this service. It's for free
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880 [04:28:36] <themill> markybob: oh, and greycat's info is still there, it was just that you couldn't find it. /msg dpkg httpredir issues; do try to avoid throwing blame around ...
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883 [04:28:52] <themill> mdim: ack.
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886 [04:30:11] <themill> mdim: httpredir would be the best service to use in that case but because mirrors are (badly) run by lots of organisations debian has no control over, it's hard to ensure they are all functioning properly
887 [04:30:52] <markybob> themill: this was my fault. it has been deleted before. i did ask, not accuse. big difference. and you affirmed.
888 [04:30:55] <themill> mdim: the cloudfront.debian.net repo could make a reasonable choice (although the way it does its mirroring is inherently broken, that's only for a few minutes at a time)
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891 [04:31:19] <themill> markybob: with added and unwelcome profanity.
892 [04:32:14] <markybob> themill: there was no profanity.
893 [04:32:25] <markybob> themill: oh so it's you? he asked about it. i'll let him know.
894 [04:32:32] <themill> mdim: cloudfront.d.n is also run by a DD who works for the relevant organisation
895 [04:32:53] <markybob> themill: now you're just being silly for no reason because you don't like me.
896 [04:32:59] <themill> markybob: please stop, this is getting beyond a joke
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901 [04:36:23] <mdim> themill: so what you just said baffles me - the mirrors are badly run, yet we happily use httpredir and send users to the very same badly run mirrors
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903 [04:37:00] <markybob> a lot of what he says baffles me
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905 [04:37:21] <themill> mdim: well httpredir tries to ensure that you only get sent to working mirrors. Without trying to download every single file from the mirror (which would defeat the purpose) it has to have some heuristics to try to spot badly set up mirrors
906 [04:37:55] <themill> mdim: 99% of the problems with mirrors are in the sync phase with Packages, Release and Translations files being updated in the wrong order and that is what httpredir detects
907 [04:38:40] <themill> mdim: a failure like an individual package going missing is very rare and it cannot reasonably detect
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910 [04:42:33] <mdim> themill: thanks for the explanation. I hope you do see what I'm pointing out here - someone might rely on httpredir in their automated systems (e.g., CI) and things can brake non-deterministically. Unfortunately, httpredir is used in e.g. the official Docker image for Debian
911 [04:42:55] <themill> yeah, and it is intended to be reliable
912 [04:43:43] <mdim> themill: that's a lesson I just re-learned - don't rely on httpredir in the automated systems
913 [04:43:44] <themill> it should be more reliable than any individual mirror unless you happen to be the mirror admin and it makes a much better solution than picking one random mirror and hard-coding that instead
914 [04:44:35] <mdim> I don't recall seeing such problems with mirrors I use otherwise on my machines (e.g., with the ftp.us.debian.org mirror)
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916 [04:45:07] <mdim> themill: so I guess I was lucky to have used reliable mirrors so far
917 [04:45:42] <themill> ftp.us.d.o is frequently a problem because it is a round-robin
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920 [04:46:12] <themill> you end up getting Release from one machine, Packages from another and they then don't match. Game over.
921 [04:46:35] <themill> (or Packages from one machine and missing packages on the next)
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980 [05:18:36] <jml2> !source
981 [05:18:37] <dpkg> As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package>
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983 [05:19:18] <jml2> im a bit of a noob when it comes to checking debian/rules with source packages... is this the file which is supposed to carry all CFLAGS as well as things like --enable-<> ?
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986 [05:20:13] <themill> CFLAGS might be in there but only if the build system defaults need overriding. What are you trying to achieve?
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988 [05:20:59] <jml2> themill, trying to determine what features were compiled with an app (libav-tools) as i think i'm missing a codec that is not available
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991 [05:21:53] <themill> pick a nice simple package for your first one to look at ;)
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993 [05:22:22] <jml2> (the readme notes from anything i check from debian binary doesn't indicate this-- and the "list-codecs" related options does not guarantee to me they've been compiled -- i think these are just informational)
994 [05:22:50] <jml2> themill, oh its simple :)
995 [05:23:06] <themill> libav is anything but, sadly; which codec are you looking for?
996 [05:23:49] <jml2> themill, you're making it complicating :).. so i suppose it's just debian/rules then i have to look at..
997 [05:23:57] <jml2> (which i'm currently looking at)
998 [05:24:09] <themill> you're not going to find the answer there, which is why I'm asking
999 [05:25:40] <jml2> themill, the ./configure --help (not that i'm using ./configure , i'm just listing defaults )--- tells me " --enable-avisynth enable reading of AviSynth script files [no] " -- I suppose "[no]" here means it is an upstream default.. and if --enable-avisynth is not in the rules then this won't be a feature, this is not the feature i'm after but i suppose i'm right in this regard
1000 [05:26:51] <jml2> kk
1001 [05:27:24] <themill> [no] will mean upstream default but it not being in d/rules doesn't mean much as this is a seriously complicated package
1002 [05:28:26] <themill> Is it just the cli av* tools you need? If so, the ffmpeg package from jessie-backports might be a better choice.
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1005 [05:29:43] <Xman> hello all
1006 [05:30:33] <themill> jml2: avisynth appears to be enabled in the jessie-backports package
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1008 [05:30:53] <themill> *ffmpeg package
1009 [05:31:51] <jml2> the avconv tool is not picking up 'mpeg-2 stream transport' format properly, so i have to use Handbrake-cli to convert it, ...
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1013 [05:32:18] <jml2> handbrake has its limitations but it does a pretty good job
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1015 [05:32:28] <jml2> though i'd like to use some other of avconv's features
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1025 [05:35:25] <jml2> interesting, i have bpo enabled and there's 7.x edition, here i have 6.x currently installed.. i can check that newer edition
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1029 [05:40:53] <themill> jml2: it declares a Replaces: libav-tools meaning that it will overwrite some files from the other package. (Looking at the package lists, probably just /usr/bin/qt-faststart.
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1062 [06:04:10] <jml2> themill, hmm, not sure where to look, i guess i can ask on #ffmpeg/avconv, my problem is the -acodec is not picking up audio data -- maybe there's a forced duration somewhere.. but both ffmpeg and avconv give me this problem..
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1091 [06:21:23] <han-solo> is there any way to find the location of one from ip?
1092 [06:21:28] <han-solo> like geoip?
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1095 [06:22:15] <jml2> han-solo, nope
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1097 [06:22:45] <jml2> han-solo, only your isp can really know
1098 [06:23:35] <han-solo> i mean others location from ips
1099 [06:25:08] <sypher> sudo bash -c "echo 'deb replaced-url
1100 [06:25:10] <sypher> sudo bash -c "echo 'deb-src replaced-url
1101 [06:25:20] <sypher> Uhh, that wasn't supposed to happen. Sorry.
1102 [06:25:34] <prussian> np sypher lol
1103 [06:25:37] <arahael> sypher: Are we allowed to mock you for it? ;)
1104 [06:25:51] <sypher> You know what, I derp-pasted into a channel, go for it. :P
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1108 [06:29:23] <Travis_> done that
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1138 [06:44:48] <kiril> Hello
1139 [06:45:03] <kiril> someone could you tell me is that normal
1140 [06:45:14] <kiril> Debian-+ 921 0.0 0.0 53252 3240 ? Ss Apr09 0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m
1141 [06:48:15] <themill> You might need to explain what you think is abnormal about it
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1143 [06:48:39] <Travis_> lol yeah
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1146 [06:50:15] <Travis_> I have a 1.7 TB of storage on my personal use desktop PC im wiping windows and installing debian... should I use xfs or ext4 ... I heard its hard to upgrade storage past like 3TB if you choose ext4 idk though
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1149 [06:51:52] <somiaj> Travis_: my suggestion for people in linux is to use ext4 unless you have a specific reason to not to. I personally haven't heard of limits like 3TB in ext4, but for a personal computer I think y ou'll be fine.
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1154 [06:52:26] <somiaj> google seems to suggest ext can do up to 16tb and has pages to say how to get bigger than that.
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1156 [06:52:53] <prussian> well
1157 [06:53:01] <Travis_> weird .. .well it has been a while since ive bothered looking into FS' lol
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1159 [06:53:05] <prussian> I would say LVM first, then worry about that later
1160 [06:53:13] <prussian> LVM is very useful
1161 [06:53:26] <somiaj> prussian: that is another question, using LVM or not will still have the ext4 question. (:
1162 [06:53:58] <Travis_> idk much about this but why is there no zfs option in debian
1163 [06:54:09] <Travis_> I hear about zfs all the time
1164 [06:54:11] <Travis_> never seen it
1165 [06:54:21] <somiaj> Travis_: maybe you saw some info about ext3 (note ext3 and ext4 are just built on top of ext2, which has been the file system in linux for ages. I say stick with it because of the length behind its testing. But there are specific reasons why one file system may fit some needs over another. I don't think these effect most people
1166 [06:54:22] <prussian> somiaj: well, ya but you answer the fs question later :)
1167 [06:54:36] <prussian> and you could always go back with lvm easily :D
1168 [06:54:59] <somiaj> Travis_: I always see some new file ssytem being the new rage, zfs is popular lately due to linux support being new. The fat that its support in linux is new is enough to let me wait a few years to even check itout. (:
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1174 [06:55:25] <hanasaki> Is this bug fixed? not sure from the report.. replaced-url
1175 [06:55:39] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1176 [06:55:39] <somiaj> hanasaki: the bug report should say what version it was fixed int.
1177 [06:55:47] <somiaj> hanasaki: if it was fixed, it is usually fairly clear.
1178 [06:55:49] <Travis_> somiaj in the future I plan on using this pc as a home server ... I guess I don't have to worry about that much now but I just have a habit of keeping an os forever
1179 [06:56:19] <somiaj> Travis_: I still dont' think you'll notice much difference between file systems.
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1182 [06:57:08] <somiaj> ,v spamassassin
1183 [06:57:09] <judd> Package: spamassassin on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.3.1-1.1; squeeze-backports: 3.3.2-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.3.2-5+deb7u3; wheezy-updates: 3.3.2-5+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 3.4.0-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.4.0-6; stretch: 3.4.1-3; sid: 3.4.1-3
1184 [06:57:24] <Travis_> totally unrelated question but is there any good software in linux for overclocking a gpu
1185 [06:57:31] <Travis_> like my 750 ti
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1187 [06:57:37] <somiaj> hanasaki: very bottom of the bug, it was fixed in 3.4.0-3, jessie now has 3.4.0-6, so it is fixed in jessie.
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1189 [06:57:49] <themill> hanasaki: also right at the top: «Fixed in version spamassassin/3.4.0-3. Done: <noahm@…>»
1190 [06:57:54] <hanasaki> bingo. OK. seems to say it is fixed ina version older than the version in the ISO I installed from recently. however; it I have the xact same issue and it is fixed the exact same way after install
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1192 [06:59:00] <hanasaki> 1. how can I tell the version in the ISO I instaled from? 2. did the fix automatically enable it on upgrade if the ugprade from dist-upgrade became newer than the ISO version that was installed?
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1195 [06:59:35] <themill> hanasaki: the output of "apt-cache policy $packagename" will tell you about versions
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1197 [07:00:20] <somiaj> hanasaki: that will give you the version on the cd if you have it in your sources.list still
1198 [07:00:27] <hanasaki> themill: that says 3.4.0-6 but does not tell me what version was in the origial iso
1199 [07:00:37] <themill> hanasaki: what was the iso?
1200 [07:01:16] <somiaj> hanasaki: if you don't have the iso in your sources, you can just look in pool/s/spamassassin in the iso, the version will be on the .deb
1201 [07:01:20] <hanasaki> debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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1203 [07:01:38] <themill> that will be the same version
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1206 [07:02:13] <hanasaki> themill: hmmm then I think the bug still exists.... I just had to systemctl enable spamassassin after the install
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1208 [07:02:34] <themill> hanasaki: oh, sure, that's intended.
1209 [07:03:05] <themill> hanasaki: the bug was fixed by documenting that you need to do that -- spamassassin is a bit of a beast and requires some manual configuration so it is not started by default when it is installed.
1210 [07:03:09] <somiaj> hanasaki: it might even be documented in /usr/share/doc/spamassassin
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1215 [07:04:17] <themill> indeed: replaced-url
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1226 [07:08:22] <hanasaki> themill: and somiaj thank you
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1266 [07:32:41] <cluelessperson> Hi all, I have an old server on which a bunch of space is being taken up by /var/spool/exim4/msglog
1267 [07:32:49] <cluelessperson> Can you help me solve this?
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1269 [07:32:53] <cluelessperson> how do I clear it out?
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1309 [08:06:16] <bhuvi> Hi, apache2 server not starting after installing radicale
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1311 [08:07:23] <bhuvi> AH00526: Syntax error on line 13 of /etc/apache2/conf-enabled/radicale-plinth.conf
1312 [08:07:39] <bhuvi> getting the above error message in service log
1313 [08:07:57] <bhuvi> Unknown Authn provider: ldap
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1315 [08:08:06] <bhuvi> Action 'configtest' failed
1316 [08:08:24] <unborn> bhuddah: did you started radicale?
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1318 [08:08:41] <unborn> service radicale start
1319 [08:08:58] <simonlnu> um, it's telling you what's wrong
1320 [08:09:12] <bhuvi> its already active
1321 [08:09:26] <simonlnu> "Unknown Authn provider: ldap"
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1323 [08:10:00] <themill> "a2enmod authnz_ldap" if you're lucky
1324 [08:10:02] <simonlnu> enable it that authn method then it won't choke
1325 [08:10:11] <simonlnu> what he said :)
1326 [08:10:32] <unborn> bhuvi: apt-get install mod_ldap ?
1327 [08:11:17] <bhuvi> i did a2enmod authnz_ldap, its working...thanks
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1329 [08:12:28] <simonlnu> ldap questions - if you have any -- >> #ldap . a lot of the openldap devs help out there
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1331 [08:13:41] <bhuvi> should the radicale package automatically enable ldap module when installing radicale?
1332 [08:14:21] <xet7> So is replaced-url
1333 [08:14:45] <xet7> Or should I patch somehow
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1336 [08:18:33] <jmcnaught> bhuvi: does radicale require LDAP or if it's optional do you plan on using it?
1337 [08:19:11] <unborn> xet7: you should update os.. that is best way
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1343 [08:20:36] <xet7> unborn: Ok, I'll backup and reinstall and restore, because upgrading does not work directly on OpenVZ VPS.
1344 [08:21:10] <bhuvi> jmcnaught: it is one of the authentication methods for radicale i guess, i installed radicale through freedombox
1345 [08:21:15] <unborn> xet7: if you dont mind... what environment you running on your srvs?
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1347 [08:21:41] <xet7> unborn: OpenVZ with 2.x kernel
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1349 [08:22:06] <xet7> unborn: server donated to OSS project
1350 [08:22:28] <unborn> xet7: when I did updated to debian 8 I had apache 2.4.10 instead of apache 2.. so configuration options there are slightly changed but not much :)
1351 [08:22:39] <bhuvi> jmcnaught: freedombox must be using ldap authentication
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1353 [08:23:32] <jmcnaught> bhuvi: oh i see, plinth is part of freedombox. i guess if freedombox configures LDAP then you want to use it.
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1358 [08:24:33] <unborn> I mean apache 2.2.xx
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1360 [08:25:45] <jmcnaught> xet7: for the CVE you linked to, it is mitigated by setting X11Forwarding=no in sshd_config
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1363 [08:26:32] <unborn> xet7: perhaps you would like to do the test before deployment - setup virutalbox and try it there..
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1367 [08:26:50] <themill> it's also only really applicable to using command="..." wrappers in which case you'd normally set no-x11-forwarding on them anyway
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1371 [08:30:14] <unborn> cluelessperson: ssh as a root and delete old logs.. perhaps you read them before to found out what it makes them in first place....?
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1379 [08:36:07] <cluelessperson> unborn, it seems to be an old cron job sending to an old ex-employee
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1381 [08:37:32] <unborn> cluelessperson: well if you dont need that cron job running any more remove it as well..
1382 [08:37:36] <unborn> and delete logs
1383 [08:37:48] <unborn> that should stop making new ones
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1385 [08:39:36] <cluelessperson> unborn, it regards some hospital reporting, it's not clear how the recipient is deteremined. Thanks for your help though. :)
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1388 [08:46:08] <unborn> cluelessperson: well if he is not working there any more than informations should not be send out to him anyway.. I would remove that cron job if there is no any other usage for it.. you know how to edit/remove cronjob on your system?
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1392 [08:47:47] <cluelessperson> unborn, it's disabled from sending, which is why the queue has become so massive in the meantime. :)
1393 [08:48:35] <unborn> ah I see.. well if you not sure about deletion you can always comment it you so it would not run..
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1398 [08:50:06] <themill> or if you think running the job might be still necessary but the output is not wanted, blackhole it to /dev/null
1399 [08:50:07] <unborn> I mean comment it out with #
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1426 [09:09:21] <intore> hi guys, i installed raspbian jessie img on a sd card for my raspberry and after boot it, nano command gives me many errors like "Error in /usr/share/nano/perl.nanorc ... command liblcms2-2 not understood" or command (square) not understood. Do you have ideas about? after pressing enter it edits the file
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1433 [09:13:23] <jmcnaught> !raspbian
1434 [09:13:23] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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1436 [09:16:33] <intore> ok jmcnaught
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1439 [09:18:53] <intore> jmcnaught, i'm sorry but i thought it could be a knowed problem in debian in general
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1447 [09:23:37] <jmcnaught> intore: no worries, now you know. nano is not broken in Debian. i'm pretty sure that you can run real Debian on a raspberry pi if you want
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1449 [09:23:47] <fnkr> intore: Uhm, is liblcms2-2 installed? (apt-get install liblcms2-2)
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1452 [09:24:12] <intore> ok jmcnaught thanks
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1455 [09:25:28] <nami> hi, where i can set cron daily, weekly etc time?
1456 [09:26:03] <intore> fnkr, the problem is not that lib... The problem is that many files nanorc have only special character inside
1457 [09:26:07] <fnkr> nami: /etc/cron.daily, /etc/cron.weekly, etc
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1459 [09:26:50] <nami> fnkr: i mean what i set in crontab
1460 [09:26:54] <nami> as @weekly etc
1461 [09:27:33] <nami> /etc/crontab seems ignored here... weekly is about early morning but always start at midnight
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1463 [09:28:10] <fnkr> "crontab -e" should open your crontab file with $EDITOR
1464 [09:28:33] <nami> i'd like to set the time of @weekly etc
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1467 [09:29:12] <nami> /etc/crontab seems ignored... @weekly is at half past 6 am
1468 [09:29:23] <nami> but instead cron start weekly at midnight...
1469 [09:29:37] <fnkr> 0 0 * * 7 will run on every sun at midnight
1470 [09:29:53] <nami> default is: 47 6 * * 7
1471 [09:29:58] <nami> but it's starting midnight anyway
1472 [09:30:02] <nami> this is my issue
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1474 [09:32:06] <simonlnu> what's the timezone set to?
1475 [09:33:02] <nami> +2
1476 [09:33:09] <nami> CEST
1477 [09:33:39] <nami> @weekly start at 00:00 instead of 6:47 every week
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1480 [09:35:42] <swift110-phone> Ok
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1487 [09:41:23] <nami> btw @daily is working, the only one weird is @weekly
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1493 [09:45:25] <jim> @daily is working how?
1494 [09:46:10] <nami> start jobs at the right time
1495 [09:46:35] <nami> time in /etc/crontab is used
1496 [09:47:10] <nami> weekly start at midnight with no reason
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1499 [09:49:58] <Sir_Designer> could the midnight weekly be started by another cron spec/another user?
1500 [09:50:25] <nami> idk how a user can specific weekly time?
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1502 [09:50:59] <unborn> nami: use this.. replaced-url
1503 [09:51:31] <nami> unborn: ty but i'm not trying to set cron jobs
1504 [09:51:39] <nami> i'm trying to define @weekly time
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1506 [09:52:14] <unborn> nami: exactly.. you can use this to figure out how to be able to setup this.. where is mm, dd, yy etc..
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1511 [09:54:27] <pestr> hi all
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1514 [09:55:02] <pestr> i have 32 bit debian testing anfd i have problem with ERROR: failed to retrieve status information from google : W: replaced-url
1515 [09:55:03] <pestr> More information might be available at:
1516 [09:55:03] <pestr> replaced-url
1517 [09:55:45] <pestr> howto update flash plugin?
1518 [09:56:04] <unborn> nami: cron timing is like this: minutes : hours : month : day of month : day of week : user : command
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1520 [09:56:43] <Sir_Designer> nami see if you have any files in /etc/cron.d
1521 [09:56:54] <nami> empty
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1525 [09:59:46] <jmcnaught> pestr: the error message actually includes the wiki link? Is that dl.google.com a repo that you have included in your sources.list? The cause of this problem is that google's APT repository only uses SHA1 signatures, which the newer versions of apt in stretch dropped support for. Google needs to fix their repos
1526 [10:00:39] <Sir_Designer> nami /var/spool/ cron/crontabs <-- see if there happen to be duplicate requests, one at midnight weekly, one at 6 47 weekly
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1529 [10:02:17] <nami> what do yo umean
1530 [10:02:23] <nami> i use only @weekly as reference in crontabs
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1532 [10:03:18] <avis> can anyone tell me how i can stress test my cpu in debian linux to make sure it meets non-flaky hardware ?
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1534 [10:04:17] <han-solo> overclocking?
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1536 [10:04:27] <avis> nope
1537 [10:04:30] <avis> worried man.
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1540 [10:04:39] <avis> bought a used computer
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1545 [10:05:21] <jelly> pestr: also google does not release any newer 32bit chrome, where pepper flash comes from, there's only 64bit now.
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1548 [10:06:30] <Lingo> anyone here familiar with iptables?
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1551 [10:08:57] <pestr> jmcnaught: in sources.list i have deb replaced-url
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1554 [10:10:50] <pestr> jmcnaught: deb replaced-url
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1559 [10:11:30] <jmcnaught> pestr: it could also be listed in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, but it's not clear to me if you're trying to install chrome, or trying to install the pepperflashplugin-nonfree package (also i don't know how that package downloads chrome, and see jelly's comment above re: 32-bit)
1560 [10:11:54] <jmcnaught> pestr: seems like that package was actually removed from testing almost a week ago too
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1562 [10:12:20] <jelly> !debian-next
1563 [10:12:20] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1564 [10:12:35] <jelly> ^^ probably a better place to ask about testing
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1567 [10:13:13] <pestr> ok, thanks
1568 [10:13:45] <jelly> jmcnaught: the installer is supposed to download google chrome, pick just the plugin out of it, and put it where chromium can use it
1569 [10:14:16] <jelly> (pepperflashplugin-nonfree package being said installer)
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1573 [10:14:55] <pingfloyd> avis: mprime
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1575 [10:14:57] <jelly> ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
1576 [10:14:58] <judd> Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1; sid/contrib: 1.8.2
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1580 [10:15:41] <avis> found cpuburn. silly me didn't think it would be there. cpu has been maxing out forever without a single hiccup. and i hear a fan now. i'm thrilled.
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1589 [10:18:10] <jmcnaught> jelly: oh thanks, i understood that in principle, just wasn't sure if it fetched chrome with wget/curl, or if it used apt to do it (which would surprise me, part of why i was confused by the question)
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1599 [10:20:42] <grawity> jmcnaught: well afaik recent apt in testing has a generic "fetch this file" mechanism that e.g. apt-file uses
1600 [10:20:48] <grawity> so that wouldn't be very surprising
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1792 [11:53:49] <obs3d> Hi,
1793 [11:54:12] <obs3d> I was wondering if any of you guys where taking advantage of the free offer by Valve for free use of all the Valve produced steam-published games ?
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1829 [12:06:36] <user> hi, I need some help
1830 [12:06:39] <user> I installed debian 8
1831 [12:06:51] <user> but I get a black screen with a flashing cursor
1832 [12:06:54] <user> after grub
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1834 [12:07:16] <user> I tried nomodeset, nvidia.modeset=0
1835 [12:07:19] <user> neither options work
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1837 [12:08:14] <markybob> user do you have secure boot enabled?
1838 [12:08:15] <user> please help me
1839 [12:08:22] <user> No, secure boot is disabled
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1841 [12:08:37] <markybob> user: which iso did you use? live?
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1843 [12:08:58] <user> non free live iso. I was able to boot in the GUI using the live iso, but after installing, it doesnt work
1844 [12:09:12] <markybob> user: yeah. live doesn't support uefi.
1845 [12:09:15] <user> in fact, I am using the live ISO right now
1846 [12:09:36] <user> so how do I fix this
1847 [12:09:43] <markybob> user: you use netinst
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1849 [12:09:48] <user> I cant anymore
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1851 [12:10:05] <user> I dont have any other OS on the pc, since debian rendered manjaro unbootable
1852 [12:10:11] <markybob> user: i can't help you with live since it doesn't support uefi
1853 [12:10:27] <user> can I use dd on the pendrive I used to boot?
1854 [12:10:42] <markybob> user: sure.
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1856 [12:11:07] <user> okay
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1858 [12:11:11] <user> lets see how this goes
1859 [12:12:02] <markybob> user: you seriously don't have any other option, though?
1860 [12:12:18] <user> I'm trying to chroot into my manjaro partition
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1862 [12:12:22] <markybob> another stick? cdr?
1863 [12:12:24] <user> I will then do update-grub
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1865 [12:12:33] <user> unfortunately, my other stick is not with me right now
1866 [12:12:55] <user> and I dont know how debian wrote to sda even though I selected sdb
1867 [12:13:03] <user> (grub)
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1869 [12:13:44] <BenNZ> user: if you get past grub then i would think its a graphics problem , can you boot tty1 ?
1870 [12:14:07] <markybob> BenNZ: it's not. live does not support uefi. it's simple.
1871 [12:14:14] <user> I cant boot into tty
1872 [12:14:21] <user> but nomodeset fixes this on manjaro
1873 [12:14:27] <user> so I assumed it would be similar here
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1875 [12:14:30] <BenNZ> markybob: sorry i thought he said he installed debian 8
1876 [12:14:40] <user> I did install debian 8
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1878 [12:14:59] <BenNZ> user: ok an install the gets the flashing cursor not the live media ?
1879 [12:15:00] <markybob> BenNZ: he did. netinst and regular installers support it. live does *not*
1880 [12:15:04] <user> yeah
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1882 [12:15:13] <user> I booted into xfce
1883 [12:15:18] <user> installed debian
1884 [12:15:20] <user> removed the pendrive
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1886 [12:15:21] <BenNZ> user: so i repeat the question can you boot into tty1 ?
1887 [12:15:37] <user> I didn't try any key combos
1888 [12:15:41] <user> ill try it now and get back
1889 [12:15:42] <markybob> BenNZ: what part of live doesn't support uefi don't you get?
1890 [12:15:50] <BenNZ> user: at the flashing cursor press ctrl alt f1
1891 [12:15:58] <user> ok
1892 [12:16:02] <user> thanks BenNZ
1893 [12:16:03] <BenNZ> markybob: the part when he said hes trying to boot the install
1894 [12:16:07] <user> and after that, what should I do?
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1896 [12:16:30] <BenNZ> markybob: as in hes alrady installed but having trouble booting after he has installed
1897 [12:16:35] <user> ^
1898 [12:16:39] <BenNZ> markybob: no live media is involved
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1900 [12:17:02] <markybob> BenNZ: yes. i don't know if you've after done it but i have. that's what happens
1901 [12:17:15] <markybob> replaced-url
1902 [12:17:16] <user> o.O
1903 [12:17:27] <user> I dont have uefi enabled anyway
1904 [12:17:42] <BenNZ> markybob: also happens when you have the wrong gpu driver installed , hence the question if he can boot into tty1
1905 [12:17:56] <BenNZ> markybob: i assume he can because he can get past grub
1906 [12:17:58] <user> okay, ill boot and try it thanks bennz
1907 [12:18:05] <user> I can get past grub
1908 [12:18:07] <user> it does a fsck
1909 [12:18:10] <user> then gets stuck on the screen
1910 [12:18:20] <markybob> fsck?
1911 [12:18:41] <BenNZ> markybob: possibly id rule out a graphics driver issue first tho
1912 [12:18:43] <user> something something "clean /dev/sda1"
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1915 [12:18:56] <user> indicating the kernel does load up
1916 [12:19:13] <user> im gonna do that thing now brb
1917 [12:19:19] <BenNZ> markybob: easiest way to check those would be be to boot into tty1 , if that boots , the a driver issue , or xorg issue anyway
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1923 [12:20:05] <markybob> BenNZ: i'm agreeing with you now that i don't know wtf is going on when he mentions fsck.
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1930 [12:21:55] <user> I can boot into tty
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1933 [12:22:20] <user> BenNZ, how do I install the nonfree nvidia driver?
1934 [12:22:29] <markybob> !nvidia
1935 [12:22:30] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
1936 [12:22:55] <user> thanks a lot for the tty idea btw
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1939 [12:23:13] <markybob> user: do not, whatever you do, install the .run file from the website. follow the wiki
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1941 [12:23:27] <user> I will not, I don't even have the GUI to do that :P
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1943 [12:23:41] <BenNZ> user: depends on which device you have as to which version of the nvidia driver you need
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1945 [12:23:49] <user> sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver, this should work?
1946 [12:23:53] <user> or do I need to enable the repos
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1948 [12:24:08] <henryk> you should read the wiki. there is some more to it.
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1950 [12:24:17] <user> "As of jessie, the need for the proprietary drivers is pretty much over - nouveau now works quite well and works"
1951 [12:24:19] <user> lol :P
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1954 [12:24:29] <markybob> wait, what? not gui and you want nonfree nvidia drivers?
1955 [12:24:49] <user> I dont have a gui, so I cant install the .run file which you warned me against anyways
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1959 [12:25:13] <TomTomTosch> what gfx card do you have anyway?
1960 [12:25:13] <markybob> .run runs in terminal. doesn't require gui
1961 [12:25:26] <user> gtx 750 ti TomTomTosch
1962 [12:25:46] <TomTomTosch> that should work fine with nouveau.
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1964 [12:25:56] <BenNZ> user: nvidia-kernel-dkms if you want performance tho
1965 [12:26:11] <markybob> performance for terminal??
1966 [12:26:14] <BenNZ> user: and i would probably install nvidia-settings whilst i was at it
1967 [12:26:15] <markybob> wtf is going on here
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1969 [12:26:27] <BenNZ> markybob: hes trying to install the driver so he can get a gui
1970 [12:26:33] <user> BenNZ, okay, I will. kernel-dkms and settings. Thanks.
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1972 [12:26:47] <markybob> i'm getting to old for this shit
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1974 [12:27:10] <BenNZ> user: nvidia-kernel-dkms
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1978 [12:27:30] <user> got it, i'll reboot into tty and tell you how it goes :)
1979 [12:27:32] <BenNZ> user: also you will need to blacklist nouveau , it can be a pain to remove sometimes
1980 [12:27:34] <user> Thanks for the help
1981 [12:27:37] <user> oh
1982 [12:27:50] <user> how would I blacklist it?
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1984 [12:28:04] <markybob> !blacklist
1985 [12:28:04] <dpkg> To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. replaced-url
1986 [12:28:15] <markybob> nvidia wiki i linked you to says how
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1990 [12:29:16] <user> are you a debian developer markybob ? :O
1991 [12:29:40] <markybob> user: no
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2007 [12:39:38] <user> so it turns out, since I am using the nonfree iso, I already have nvidia-kernel-dkms and nvidia-driver installed
2008 [12:39:48] <user> since i used*
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2011 [12:42:02] <user> I can use dd on the bootable usb I am using right now, correct?
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2022 [12:45:31] <user> :/
2023 [12:45:37] <user> why is debian so impossible
2024 [12:45:48] <khazakar> What problem dou you have user?
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2026 [12:45:59] <user> Well, I installed debian nonfree.
2027 [12:46:11] <user> But when I boot up, can only enter tty
2028 [12:46:19] <user> It gets stuck at a black screen with a flashing cursor
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2030 [12:46:45] <hualet_deepin> user: no error messages ?
2031 [12:46:45] <khazakar> What gfx card do you have?Any other specs?
2032 [12:46:58] <user> gtx 750 ti
2033 [12:47:02] <user> It works fine with kubuntu or manjaro
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2035 [12:47:24] <khazakar> Kernel?
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2037 [12:47:40] <user> pretty much every kernel since 3.6 has worked
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2039 [12:47:45] <user> though with the nonfree driver ofc
2040 [12:48:22] <khazakar> Headers installed,metapackage nvidia-driver and nvidia-driver-bin installed?
2041 [12:48:38] <user> nvidia driver yes
2042 [12:48:53] <user> I did not check nvidia-driver-bin or linux-headers
2043 [12:48:56] <user> be right back
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2048 [12:51:24] <junkula> I can't connect using remmina, what do I do wrong?
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2052 [12:53:00] <user> khazakar, I have all those packages you mentioned, installed.
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2055 [12:53:23] <user> I dont get how it boots up into xfce on the live usb but not after I've installed it on the hard disk.
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2067 [12:58:57] <user> anyone?
2068 [12:59:23] <r6ku> user: did you remember to configure xorg?
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2070 [12:59:37] <user> Yeah, configured xorg manually and via nvidia-xconfig
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2096 [13:12:19] <donnoc> I am trying to change my Server RAID with MegaCLI vrom a raid 1 with 2 HDDs to a RAID 5 with 4HDD. but everytime it crashes or gives me an error. Does someone ever worked with taht and can try to help me?
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2106 [13:17:47] <AIW007> hay....!
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2111 [13:18:40] <RoyK> eh?
2112 [13:18:43] <RoyK> ey!
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2154 [13:37:36] <unborn> junkula: rdp?
2155 [13:37:53] <junkula> unborn: vnc
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2158 [13:38:21] <unborn> use real vnc viewer.. its free..
2159 [13:38:27] <unborn> worked best for me
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2162 [13:39:32] <unborn> junkula: replaced-url
2163 [13:39:38] <unborn> debian 64bit ^^^
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2172 [13:44:19] <junkula> I want to use remmina unborn
2173 [13:44:44] <junkula> do I input the IP in the quick connect
2174 [13:44:57] <junkula> does it need the username also?
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2176 [13:45:33] <unborn> junkula: than good luck with it. I tried that many many times past 3 years.. always issues.. if its not freeze then it will crash.
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2179 [13:46:24] <unborn> junkula: krdc much better then remmina
2180 [13:46:53] <junkula> unborn: I'll check it out thanks
2181 [13:47:16] <unborn> junkula: you do vnc://username@machineip
2182 [13:48:09] <junkula> thanks
2183 [13:48:13] <unborn> as I said, remmina for me is totally waste of time as it never worked for me since I try linux (from ubuntu version 4 i think)
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2189 [13:48:56] <unborn> krdc works but seems to me okay but no chat or other things.. its just pure remote support tool
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2197 [13:51:35] <junkula> remmina worked for me in fedora
2198 [13:51:45] <junkula> Debian's version is outdated
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2205 [13:54:28] <no_gravity> Why does "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" sometimes result in the question if ini files shoule be replaced? How does security updates trigger the replacement of ini files?
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2240 [14:15:10] <g00se> Why is it that i have /etc/nsswitch.conf on my wheezy yet apt-file search (updated) can't find it?
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2256 [14:22:53] <jelly> g00se: it's not shipped with a package but generated at installation time
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2261 [14:23:48] <g00se> Ah thanks. Looking into being able to resolve names by netbios. I think i need winbind
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2288 [14:33:30] <Kartagis> hello
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2292 [14:34:15] <Kartagis> I am tasked with creating several VMs with KVM, but I can't locate virt-install
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2295 [14:34:25] <g00se> wbinfo -I 192.168.1.110 returns the correct name 'JAMES' but ping JAMES gives 'unknown name'. I thought the point of winbind was that it enabled correct resolution of names as with dns?
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2299 [14:35:48] <markybob> Kartagis: it's in the virtinst package.
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2316 [14:42:28] <Kartagis> thanks markybob. another question. how do I fix the perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings... permanently
2317 [14:42:30] <Kartagis> ?
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2319 [14:43:20] <markybob> Kartagis: sounds like you need to dpkg-reconfigure locales
2320 [14:43:33] <themill> Kartagis: the easiest approach is to "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and have it generate the additional locales you are using
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2325 [14:45:49] <Kartagis> heh, I must have picked the wrong option because ALL locales are being generated now :D
2326 [14:45:59] <Kartagis> anyway, thanks again
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2354 [15:03:37] <Kartagis> can I ask about virt-install issues here? #virt in oftc is dead?
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2367 [15:09:38] <jmarciano> I would like to know, who compiles binaries for Debian? And where? Is it at home or at servers?
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2374 [15:11:13] <Kartagis> jmarciano: I'd say depends on the package
2375 [15:11:36] <themill> jmarciano: most packages are compiled on the buildd network
2376 [15:11:40] <jmarciano> is it fully automated binary compilation? Or maintainers do that one by one?
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2378 [15:11:54] <themill> jmarciano: replaced-url
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2383 [15:13:04] <jmarciano> yes I read thanks
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2387 [15:13:54] <jmarciano> and how is ensured that source code is compiled as such without possible "hidden" modifications by maintainers?
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2445 [15:43:02] <ziz15> hi does anybody else have problem update flash player?? thanks
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2451 [15:44:54] <babilen> ziz15: What kind of problem?
2452 [15:45:32] <ziz15> babilen: i give sudo update-nonflashplugin --install and it does nothing ...
2453 [15:45:58] <babilen> That command is wrong. You wand "sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree --install"
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2455 [15:46:19] <ziz15> babilen: yes
2456 [15:46:33] <babilen> Might want to pass "--verbose" also
2457 [15:46:46] <ziz15> babilen: what i mean is it doesnt download and install latest flash
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2460 [15:47:12] <babilen> Could you try the correct command, suffix "--verbose" and paste the outcome to replaced-url
2461 [15:47:18] <ziz15> babilen: i have done that it from what i understand is says an error about people.debian
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2467 [15:48:50] <ziz15> babilen: how to upload the output to paste.debian???
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2469 [15:49:19] <bazhang> ,v pastebinit
2470 [15:49:19] <judd> Package: pastebinit on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.1-2squeeze1; wheezy: 1.3-4; jessie: 1.4-4; stretch: 1.5-1; sid: 1.5-1
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2473 [15:49:59] <bazhang> command | pastebinit
2474 [15:50:08] <TIM-BOSS> CIAO
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2476 [15:50:16] <drmagoo> Hi, I had to reinstall my system and instead of Lubuntu (again) I went with Debian. Now I've got an issue with 2 encrypted lvm-volyms not being mounted at boot. I get the prompt to enter the passwords, but then it fails. When checking the error message from systemd it says that its missing the service? How to I generate that ?
2477 [15:50:22] <TIM-BOSS> !LIST
2478 [15:50:22] <dpkg> tim-boss: vedi replaced-url
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2487 [15:54:51] <ziz15> babilen: replaced-url
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2492 [15:56:34] <ziz15> babilen: so what is the problem exactly??
2493 [15:57:02] <dn_> Hello, I'm trying to set up my USB-microphone device in Qtel client (Debian Jessie). I'm using a Microsoft LifeCam HD-3000 webcam as a recording device. The mic audio device in Qtel was set to alsa:default, but I guess it's the wrong one. Any ideas where to find the correct LifeCam device?
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2499 [15:59:08] <ziz15> anyone else have problem with flashplugin not be updating ????
2500 [15:59:39] <mtn> ziz15: are you just saying the version in iceweasel is old? that is because it will never be any newer.
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2503 [15:59:58] <mtn> ziz15: if you want a newer version of flash, use chromium and pepperflash plugin
2504 [16:00:00] <themill> ziz15: perhaps you can describe your problem. Real output in a pastebin helps
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2506 [16:00:35] <ziz15> mtn: no i m saying that when i try to update to the latest 11.2 version for debian it wont download the latest
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2508 [16:00:56] <ziz15> themill: replaced-url
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2510 [16:01:29] <mtn> ziz15: which version do you have now? replaced-url
2511 [16:01:46] <ziz15> mtn: 577
2512 [16:02:25] <ziz15> mtn: it doesnt download and install the 616
2513 [16:02:49] <themill> ziz15: it hasn't been signed and uploaded yet
2514 [16:02:55] <mtn> ziz15: if I was a flash user I would use chromium
2515 [16:03:20] <ziz15> themill: that what i also though... thanks
2516 [16:03:45] <ziz15> mtn: yes but no flash for 32bit :(
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2532 [16:10:36] <drmagoo> can anyone here explain how the configfiles for systemd-cryptsetup reads/works ? I think I might have found the issue
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2553 [16:19:03] <ment0s> Hi, could you please confirm that debian 8 live is not booting with secure boot enabled ?
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2556 [16:19:27] <themill> the live images don't do any sort of uefi
2557 [16:20:18] <ment0s> ohh so actuall instal would work probably ?
2558 [16:20:38] <themill> I don't think there are any secure boot signed bootloaders around
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2560 [16:20:51] <themill> uefi works fine though
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2562 [16:21:12] <ment0s> fedora 23 and ubuntu works fine
2563 [16:21:32] <ment0s> downloading install media will try
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2568 [16:23:59] <Kartagis> can I ask about virt-install issues here? #virt in oftc is dead
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2571 [16:27:59] <ment0s> themill: so there is no way to install debian on secure boot enabled devices ?
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2573 [16:28:17] <ment0s> just tried to boot install iso and got access denied
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2576 [16:29:35] <themill> replaced-url
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2581 [16:32:58] <ment0s> themill: ok, why then ubuntu and fedora can do secure boot but debian dont ?
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2584 [16:34:47] <ment0s> is it only for installer or whole debian ?
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2596 [16:39:41] <themill> Either there is a chain of trust or there is not; you can't magically make one appear after installation time
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2605 [16:41:38] <petn-randall> replaced-url
2606 [16:41:39] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2607 [16:41:45] <petn-randall> Looks like it's currently being worked on.
2608 [16:41:57] * dvs gasps
2609 [16:42:31] <petn-randall> (sorry, just rejoined, might have missed some prior discussion)
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2614 [16:43:09] <threatzero> thrkernelman?
2615 [16:43:10] <threatzero> mefistofeles?
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2623 [16:46:19] <threatzero> thrkernelman?
2624 [16:46:20] <threatzero> mefistofeles?
2625 [16:46:35] <petn-randall> threatzero: Do you need help?
2626 [16:46:56] <saunamees> Is it hard to become a debian contributor ? Is making some documentation useful/needed ?
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2628 [16:47:47] <petn-randall> saunamees: You don't have to apply for it to contribute to Debian. Just do whatever you like that you think might improve Debian in general.
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2633 [16:49:05] <petn-randall> saunamees: However, to become a Debian maintainer or Debian Developer you have to go through a lengthy process, but it also comes with more responsibility and power.
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2652 [16:58:39] <Kartagis> why am I getting Error: --disk size=500: Couldn't create default storage pool ?
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2685 [17:11:59] <saunamees> Thanks. I might just write a good documentation on debian private cloud.
2686 [17:12:13] <saunamees> well maybe not good, I am terrible writer :)
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2689 [17:13:22] <Tom01> Should I get Sound from the little internal Speaker?
2690 [17:13:37] <Tom01> Which beeps, when booting.
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2694 [17:14:35] <mnords> does anyone else experience system freezes with firefox on jessie?
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2696 [17:14:50] <Kartagis> Tom01: beeping might mean ram failure
2697 [17:15:07] <Tom01> Kartagis:No, one Beep is normal.
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2701 [17:16:21] <Tom01> But I already have changed the RAM, because it beeped constantly.
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2703 [17:16:58] <Tom01> I mean Sound from Rythmbox e.g.
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2709 [17:18:35] <petn-randall> Tom01: The pc speaker is not necessarily useable as a full fledged speaker.
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2712 [17:19:14] <khazakar> Hi all! Any advice,help? replaced-url
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2715 [17:20:27] <Tom01> petn-randall: I see. Before this i3 I was using a Power Mac G4 which played Audio with an internal Speaker.
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2721 [17:21:17] <petn-randall> khazakar: Play harder, looks like the terrorists are winning.
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2725 [17:22:33] <r6ku> khazakar: looks like pacman ate your screen
2726 [17:23:00] <khazakar> petn-randall It's CS 1.6
2727 [17:23:27] <khazakar> r6ku It's magic of DRI3+TearFree + DRI_PRIME=1 steam to run steam via Radeon card.
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2731 [17:24:42] <khazakar> On #radeon channel nobody know how to help me with this :v
2732 [17:24:58] <stoned-in-laptop> Hello, I need to ask about a reliable USB wireless NIC for debian desktop (8 year old desktop)
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2737 [17:26:01] <stoned-in-laptop> I'm running debian stable, and wanted to know which chipset you would recommend
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2740 [17:27:44] <petn-randall> stoned-in-laptop: It's probably easier to just pick a wifi device you like, and just do an internet search if it runs on Debian stable. There's a 95% chance it'll work out of the box.
2741 [17:28:06] <petn-randall> !wifi
2742 [17:28:07] <dpkg> Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. replaced-url
2743 [17:28:28] <stoned-in-laptop> Okay
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2746 [17:29:44] <stoned-in-laptop> Hey, thanks. good news in that link. Currently there are only a few modern wifi chipsets readily available that work with free software systems. For USB wifi devices this list includes the Realtek RTL8187B chipset (802.11G) and the Atheros AR9170 chipset (802.11N). For Mini PCIe all cards with an Atheros chipset are supported.
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2750 [17:30:17] <stoned-in-laptop> I am assuming the N should be backwards compat w/ G, right?
2751 [17:30:26] <khazakar> stoned-in-laptop yup
2752 [17:30:31] <stoned-in-laptop> Thank you
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2757 [17:32:39] <petn-randall> stoned-in-laptop: I'd say it's the other way around. I've only found one chipset that *didn't* work out of the box of all the devices I ever got to use.
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2759 [17:32:55] <petn-randall> stoned-in-laptop: The mostly need non-free firmware, but that's a different story.
2760 [17:33:04] <stoned-in-laptop> Right
2761 [17:33:23] <stoned-in-laptop> I like to try and stick to Free software when I don't have to use non-free
2762 [17:33:54] <stoned-in-laptop> I will have to use the non-free driver for the laptop though
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2765 [17:35:10] <petn-randall> stoned-in-laptop: I'm not following through. Most firmware is non-free. You can run some devices without the firmware, but then they miss important functionality, such as connecting to encrypted wifi hotspots.
2766 [17:35:21] <stoned-in-laptop> I see
2767 [17:35:29] <petn-randall> stoned-in-laptop: Not that you still won't be running any proprietary software on your CPU.
2768 [17:35:35] <petn-randall> s/Not/Note/
2769 [17:35:41] <stoned-in-laptop> I'm not familiar w/ a lot of this. I have always used wired.
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2771 [17:36:07] <stoned-in-laptop> I mean if I have to it's fine, but I try not to use non-free.
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2774 [17:37:26] <stoned-in-laptop> petn-randall: which one do personally use, if you use one
2775 [17:37:37] <stoned-in-laptop> you*
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2786 [17:40:25] <petn-randall> stoned-in-laptop: ralink chipsets always worked for me.
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2791 [17:41:36] <wonderwhy> Hi, I feel I'm been mistakenly banned form #debian some days ago. I gently ask an op to check, look into replaced-url
2792 [17:41:47] <wonderwhy> *from
2793 [17:42:20] <petn-randall> wonderwhy: But you _are_ in #debian.
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2796 [17:42:53] <wonderwhy> petn-randall: yes, just with a different nick. technically I'm evading that ban
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2798 [17:44:21] <jmarciano> try changing nick
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2807 [17:47:00] <petn-randall> wonderwhy: Try asking in #debian-ops.
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2809 [17:47:18] <wonderwhy> petn-randall: that's ok, thanks
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2813 [17:48:22] <katie1231> Hey guys, I am trying to install nvidia graphics drivers in debian. Which drivers do I need for GTX 750ti?
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2820 [17:50:52] <xorond> katie1231, replaced-url
2821 [17:51:30] <r6ku> katie1231: replaced-url
2822 [17:52:02] <katie1231> I've downloaded those but I can't access a terminal from the login window (ctrl + alt + F1) doesn't work so I can run the driver install.
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2825 [17:52:24] <xorond> katie1231, if you have a GUI running you can do it from the terminal there
2826 [17:52:46] <katie1231> it says that X can't be running
2827 [17:53:18] <xorond> try ctrl + alt + f[range(2,7)]
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2829 [17:53:46] <katie1231> none of those work. They never have. That's why I was hoping there was a repo i can pull down with the drivers i need?
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2832 [17:54:47] <xorond> katie1231, you say you have the driver downloaded, can you not run it?
2833 [17:55:01] <markybob> there is if you read the wiki r6ku linked you to. i'm not sure why xorond is telling you to do something that would break your debian install
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2837 [17:55:55] <katie1231> alright I'll check out the wiki that r6ku linked
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2845 [17:59:01] <ZeNEX> Why is firefox nowhere in the repository?
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2850 [18:02:29] <jelly> ZeNEX: which debian release are you using? It's called iceweasel in debian 8
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2853 [18:03:01] <dutchfish> for sid replaced-url
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2856 [18:03:35] <ZeNEX> jelly, is it really the same?
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2858 [18:03:51] <orlok> Is GNOME default DE in Debian?
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2860 [18:04:09] <r6ku> ZeNEX: orlok: yes
2861 [18:04:27] <orlok> why?
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2864 [18:04:54] <r6ku> ZeNEX: you can get the latest release of firefox from here if you need it replaced-url
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2866 [18:05:04] <ZeNEX> r6ku, thanks
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2869 [18:05:43] <orlok> Will Icedove be Thunderbird in Debian?
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2877 [18:07:09] <petn-randall> orlok: Probably in the next release, yes.
2878 [18:07:27] <allizom> ok, I've been unbanned
2879 [18:07:37] <jelly> allizom: right, sorry about that
2880 [18:07:41] <orlok> But Icedove is not Thunderbird in Sid now.
2881 [18:07:42] <katie1231> when i do apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver i get a message that says Media-change: please insert the disc
2882 [18:07:47] <katie1231> what is that all about?
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2886 [18:08:45] <jelly> orlok: it's going to be renamed back as well, soon
2887 [18:08:55] <petn-randall> katie1231: Have you tried a basic internet search before asking in here?
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2891 [18:09:11] <katie1231> doing so now
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2893 [18:10:42] <jelly> katie1231: comment out any cdrom/dvd lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list and retry?
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2896 [18:11:17] <katie1231> i dont have cdrom.dvd lines in my sources.list
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2898 [18:11:40] <orlok> katie1231: cat your sources.list here
2899 [18:11:49] <petn-randall> katie1231: Also check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, and you have to run 'apt-get update' before anything else.
2900 [18:11:59] <jelly> orlok: don't suggest that please
2901 [18:12:09] <jelly> !paste
2902 [18:12:09] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
2903 [18:12:16] <katie1231> thats what is was. I needed to run apt-get update
2904 [18:12:17] <orlok> just joke
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2906 [18:12:39] <petn-randall> orlok: no, you were baiting someone to get kicked here.
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2913 [18:14:50] <jelly> katie1231: also, you probably want to install nvidia-kernel-dkms instead of nvidia-driver directly
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2915 [18:15:21] <jelly> something like
2916 [18:15:24] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
2917 [18:15:25] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
2918 [18:16:17] <katie1231> I followed the wiki and restarted and now all i see is a black screen!
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2924 [18:17:05] <Riidio> hi guy's... simple question... in vmware better use 32 or 64bit for distro linux?
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2931 [18:18:51] <jelly> Riidio: 64bit is the common choice these days
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2934 [18:19:11] <Riidio> thx, bro
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2936 [18:19:21] <Riidio> also if i use only 2gb of ram
2937 [18:19:22] <Riidio> ?
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2941 [18:19:46] <r6ku> katie1231: did you remember to do the configuration part?
2942 [18:19:54] <jelly> Riidio: 2GB for the VM or 2GB total on the host?
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2945 [18:20:31] <Riidio> 2gb for vm
2946 [18:20:34] <Riidio> total is 8gb
2947 [18:20:46] <katie1231> r6ku: which config part? I didn't see that in the wiki that i followed here: replaced-url
2948 [18:20:54] <jelly> go with 64bit anyway. Easier to deal with if you choose to grow it later
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2950 [18:21:06] <r6ku> katie1231: replaced-url
2951 [18:21:13] <Riidio> ok thx
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2978 [18:30:47] <katie1231> r6ku: when i run sudo apt-get install nvidia-xconfig i get unable to locate package nvidia-xconfig
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2986 [18:32:07] <katie1231> r6ku: i guess i can just manually create the config
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3034 [18:54:59] <jelly> ,v nvidia-xconfig
3035 [18:55:00] <judd> Package: nvidia-xconfig on amd64 -- squeeze/contrib: 195.36.31-1; wheezy/contrib: 304.48-1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 340.46-1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 340.46-1; stretch/contrib: 340.93-1; sid/contrib: 340.93-1
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3039 [18:55:27] <jelly> katie1231: make sure you have both "contrib" and "non-free" sources enabled
3040 [18:55:37] <katie1231> I do
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3046 [19:00:09] <awal1> sources file seems to be a big deal for new debian users (I had same problem when I started using debian). Maybe something may be done for solve this "problem" ?
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3050 [19:02:10] <r6ku> awal1: ubuntu and mint have a simple gui tool for installing drivers and firmware... but not debian ;(
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3056 [19:06:22] <r6ku> good god, why hasn't that been implented yet? does nobody care about the woes of #debian?
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3062 [19:09:22] <awal1> Probably, the installer "should" add by default to the sources.list file those 3 lines deb replaced-url
3063 [19:09:45] <awal1> when the installer detects ^
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3065 [19:11:36] <awal1> r6ku, non free drivers, firmwares and so is another story. debian has has a different approach about that, as you should know yet
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3070 [19:13:48] <dhex> Hi
3071 [19:13:53] <dhex> Why should I choose debian over ubuntu?
3072 [19:15:15] <bazhang> you shouldnt
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3074 [19:15:36] <jonathan_zz> why should you do anything?
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3080 [19:17:43] <katie1231> I am trying to manually create my /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d file I see this command that i need to run echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf is the only thing that i need to change is the "My GPU" part?
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3092 [19:20:08] <mezo> why not just install nvidia-xconfig and run it?
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3095 [19:20:47] <babilen> katie1231: You don't have to change anything in there
3096 [19:20:53] <babilen> (not even "My GPU")
3097 [19:20:55] <katie1231> oh okay thanks
3098 [19:21:22] <babilen> mezo: Because it creates an overly complex monolithic configuration that adds nothing but problems and the above suffices for switching to nvidia
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3108 [19:23:55] <mezo> never had a problem so far with it
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3112 [19:25:30] <mezo> what was the command to reboot to uefi bios on systemd?
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3115 [19:25:43] <johnkeates> sudo reboot and then press the del key
3116 [19:25:47] <johnkeates> or f2
3117 [19:25:50] <grawity> systemctl reboot --firmware-setup
3118 [19:25:52] <mezo> i use ultrafast boot
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3120 [19:25:54] <johnkeates> ah
3121 [19:26:10] <mezo> grawity: thanks
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3123 [19:26:49] <mezo> i dont get why my usb keyboard not work on grub , when using fast boot. i even enbaled full usb support for fast boot
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3162 [19:37:04] <c0mrade> Anyone interested in free hosting? I've got a server at home and I provide full root access. You choose the OS of your flavor and install it on VMware running on my server...I give up to 3GB of RAM, 200GB of HDD an a vCPU.
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3183 [19:48:47] <awal1> How to combine apt or aptitude search with show ? Example : apt/aptitude search foo and I want to make apt/aptitude show the descriptions of all foo related packages, like when I run apt/aptitude show foo, without having to run apt/aptitude show for all related foo related pkgs that apt/aptitude found ?
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3193 [19:51:49] <awal1> apt search foo have found foo1, foo2, foo3... I want apt show me immediately the whole description of foo1, foo2 and foo3 like it does with show
3194 [19:51:55] <petemc> awal1: im not aware of any way to do it directly but its a simple one liner to do it yourself
3195 [19:52:08] <Drzacek> Hi. I made huge mistake. I installed debian today on my very-slow pc, got confused during installation (wanted to turn off GUI, but pressed enter), and now I got not-so-light system. Any way I can disable X and uninstall it completely (and all GUI applications aswell)?
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3198 [19:52:50] <petemc> !remove x
3199 [19:52:50] <dpkg> remove x is probably "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. Use "purge" instead of remove if you also want to remove X's configuration.
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3201 [19:53:56] <awal1> petmec, yeah, but sometimes the output of search is so long and it may find interesting pkgs I want and it's a bit tedious check description of the dozens pkgs one by one
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3204 [19:54:57] <petemc> apt-cache search foo |awk '{print $1}'| while read ; do apt-cache show $REPLY ; done | less
3205 [19:55:15] <Drzacek> petemc, thanks, purging now
3206 [19:55:19] <Testor> Drzacek: if you installed xorg you also can uninstall it
3207 [19:55:31] <Testor> never mind
3208 [19:55:40] <Drzacek> Testor, I don't know what installs by default
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3210 [19:56:01] <awal1> petmec, ok, i'll try and see ;)
3211 [19:56:47] <teraflops> Try It And See™ <3
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3213 [19:57:36] <Testor> Drzacek: have you installed debian from netiso image or used a DM iso?
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3215 [19:57:49] <Drzacek> dvd1 osp
3216 [19:57:51] <Drzacek> iso
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3220 [19:59:10] <awal1> petemc, perfect and wonderful, "apt-cache search foo |awk '{print $1}'| while read ; do apt-cache show $REPLY ; done | less" is what I was looking; it works just perfectly. Thanks!!!
3221 [19:59:17] <petemc> np
3222 [19:59:41] <petemc> probably a tidier way to do it, but whatever works
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3224 [19:59:57] <Testor> ok, then you installed Gnome as your DM. Do you know how to use aptitude?
3225 [20:00:04] <awal1> yes, but it works.
3226 [20:00:25] <awal1> now learning a bit about all those commands combinations
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3228 [20:01:46] <karlpinc> awal1: (I'd be explicit about the variable read into and avoid bashisms, but that's just me.)
3229 [20:02:16] <awal1> petemc, for sure I can't remember the whole command my self but I save it somewhere and use it when needed or call it with shell reverse search
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3232 [20:02:46] <karlpinc> awal1: Save it in ~/bin/myscriptname
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3234 [20:02:58] <awal1> karlpinc, no idea about what you said, what happens exactly with "read"
3235 [20:03:16] <awal1> in human words please
3236 [20:03:19] <awal1> :D
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3239 [20:04:19] <karlpinc> awal1: You'd need to read (parts of) "man dash" and "man bash" to really know. The people in #bash will be happy to chat about it forever. It puts lines of standard input into a variable. See #bash for more detail, since it's not really relevant here.
3240 [20:04:57] <karlpinc> awal1: Well, the "while" is what does multiple lines.
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3244 [20:05:50] <karlpinc> awal1: I'd recommend "man dash". You need to pay attention to every word, but there's _so_ many fewer words than "man bash".
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3248 [20:06:47] <awal1> karlpinc, ok, got you know. I need to learn about all that sure...
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3250 [20:08:08] <katie1231> I installed nvidia drivers and reboot is hung up at "Started Update UTMP about System RunLevel Changes." anyone seen this before?
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3254 [20:09:29] <jmcnaught> katie1231: did you use the Debian packages for the nvidia drivers? Did you remember to setup an xorg.conf?
3255 [20:09:32] <karlpinc> katie1231: You might check the debian wiki. It has instructions. Maybe there's troubleshooting help too. And you could try "/msg dpkg nvidia" here to chat with the bot.
3256 [20:10:55] <katie1231> yea i followed the debian wiki for the driver install. I am not 100% sure my xorg.conf is setup correctly
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3266 [20:15:04] <mo1991reg> katie1231 - you need to install the nvidia-xconfig program and then run it before rebooting if you are using nvidia proprietary drivers. it will set up an xorg.conf for you
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3273 [20:16:22] <Xman> hello i need help with terminal
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3280 [20:18:38] <Drzacek> How do I edit net cofinguration? I thought I do it by editing /etc/network/interfaces, but it was blank (during installation I entered IP)
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3286 [20:20:18] <jmcnaught> Drzacek: if you're using a desktop like Gnome or KDE you can use NetworkManager. Otherwise replaced-url
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3290 [20:20:58] <Drzacek> jmcnaught, I'm in bash, but it installed with gnome, I just removed it
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3294 [20:21:52] <katie1231> is it best to install nvidia debian backport drivers? I am following this link replaced-url
3295 [20:21:54] <ompaul> Drzacek: the box should react to dhcp
3296 [20:21:56] <Drzacek> jmcnaught, okay, I think I got it - ifconfig seems right, but still - can't ping anything
3297 [20:22:08] <Drzacek> ompaul, no dhcp, direct cable to other pc
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3299 [20:22:12] <jmcnaught> Drzacek: removed network manager? did that also remove your gnome meta-package. Be careful doing any auto-removals from now on. In my opinion it's better to leave network-manager installed, it will ignore anything defined in /e/n/intefaces
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3301 [20:22:22] <Drzacek> jmcnaught, removed whole X
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3303 [20:23:13] <jmcnaught> Drzacek: ahh. "it" is ambiguous. you can make a paste of your interfaces file if you want it peer reviewed
3304 [20:23:44] <ompaul> Drzacek: ifconfig eth0 192.168.3.1 up (based on lots of history and with the idea that 3. is the home network and .1 is available
3305 [20:23:47] <jmcnaught> katie1231: i think it's okay to use those ones, did you use that nvidia-detect tool to see which drivers were recommended?
3306 [20:23:48] <Drzacek> jmcnaught, I'm not really sure how could I copy anything from the other pc
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3308 [20:24:51] <Drzacek> the funny thing is, THIS pc can ping my debian machine
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3311 [20:25:35] <jmcnaught> Drzacek: can that PC ssh into your Debian computer?
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3313 [20:25:58] <ompaul> Drzacek: you should stick them on a cheap switch not directly one into the other if you have problems
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3315 [20:26:15] <ompaul> and if you are new to it - bit painful and really cheap way to get it all going
3316 [20:26:38] <katie1231> jmcnaught: i just checked compatibility, and installed the backports. I then ran nvidia-xconfig with sudo and re-started and now the reboot gets hugup
3317 [20:26:42] <Drzacek> ompaul, it is temporary solution, until I get my router running
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3320 [20:27:15] <Drzacek> jmcnaught, I didn't set up ssh server yet
3321 [20:27:32] <jmcnaught> katie1231: can you put a copy of your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on replaced-url
3322 [20:27:36] <ompaul> Drzacek: wire the debian box up apt-get install openssh-server
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3325 [20:28:08] <ompaul> Drzacek: tbh you can hit your head off the desk for hours or you can solve it in a couple of minutes
3326 [20:28:27] <Drzacek> ompaul, okay, I guess I'll leave it for today
3327 [20:28:47] <katie1231> jmcnaught: when i sudo run nvidia-xconfig i get the following: package xorg-server was not found in the pkg-config search path
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3331 [20:30:09] <ompaul> Drzacek: use the time to read about ifconfig man page on the internet
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3333 [20:30:17] <ompaul> or run it on the machine and look at this
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3335 [20:30:23] <ompaul> !dontbreakdebian
3336 [20:30:24] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, dont break debian is replaced-url
3337 [20:30:25] <jmcnaught> katie1231: okay, not sure how that tool works. Do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? Or something like /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf ?
3338 [20:30:43] <ompaul> cos lots of bad ideas people have they think are really good and they are not :-/
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3340 [20:31:06] <ompaul> it's only when the box dies in a new and interesting way they try to fix and have gone too far
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3342 [20:31:42] <ompaul> Drzacek: I note you are getting help in ##networking
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3344 [20:31:59] <babilen> katie1231: You really don't need that tool. If it doesn't work with the configuration you have right now it is likely that the driver you installed doesn't support your GPU. Check if it is (it is explained on the wiki page how to do so)
3345 [20:32:01] <Drzacek> ompaul, yes
3346 [20:32:22] <babilen> A monolithic xorg.conf is not necessary
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3354 [20:36:02] <jelly> it's either a snippet in xorg.conf.d/ to select the driver, or a full xorg.conf
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3434 [21:07:41] <notsheld0n> test
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3437 [21:08:09] <jelly> test failed, notsheld0n
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3461 [21:16:33] <notsheld0n> !ping
3462 [21:16:34] <dpkg> Yes, notsheld0n, you are online.
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3464 [21:16:59] <ompaul> no tests were harmed in the making of that ping
3465 [21:17:21] <markybob> notsheld0n: /msg the bot next time you have some reason to think you're offline
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3467 [21:17:41] <markybob> or, you know, ping google.com or something
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3472 [21:20:19] <GNU\colossus> is there an easy way to allow for unprivilieged (GUI) users to install packages from the debian repositories, like a previous Fedora release allowed to, via (I think) packagekit?
3473 [21:20:28] <notsheld0n> markybob: nah its my IRC client
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3475 [21:20:45] <notsheld0n> My internet is crap and it times our some applications for an unknown reason.
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3479 [21:21:34] <ompaul> notsheld0n: you can do this and check if you are online /ping notsheld0n and it will give you useful information
3480 [21:21:36] <markybob> GNU\colossus: they'd need sudo. so no, not unprivileged
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3482 [21:22:29] <markybob> GNU\colossus: anyway debian has packagekit. apt-get install gnome-packagekit but like i said, they need sudo
3483 [21:24:12] <GNU\colossus> markybob, thanks, I'll play around with that
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3489 [21:25:39] <Psi-Jack> With ftpsync method, is it possible to mirror only one version of Debian, instead of pretty much all?
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3492 [21:25:52] <katie1231> jmcnaught: i do have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file with 20-nvidia.conf in it
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3499 [21:26:53] <jmcnaught> katie1231: okay. check that you don't have stuff in both /etc/X11/xorg.conf *and* /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf, you only need one.
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3502 [21:27:31] <jmcnaught> katie1231: then also check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors. Lines with errors have (EE) at the start of them
3503 [21:27:48] <DeaDSouL> i have a samba server which has a public shared folder: /Storage/Media ... and I've mounted /dev/sdc1 ... to ... /Storage/Media/Elements ....... it works... but I when I try to open any sub-dir, it asks me for a user & pass... how can I make it public ?
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3509 [21:30:59] <DeaDSouL> anyone ?
3510 [21:31:24] <katie1231> jmcnaught: okay i only have the one (/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d I checked my Xorg.5.log and i have quite a few errors. Here's the first one NVIDIA: failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module. Please see the systems kernel log for additional error messages.
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3513 [21:31:53] <katie1231> jmcnaught: the last two are no devices found, and no screens found
3514 [21:32:26] <markybob> sounds like the kernel module didn't get built
3515 [21:32:59] <markybob> did you install your kernel headers prior to doing this?
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3517 [21:33:03] <Ntemis> sup
3518 [21:33:19] <jmcnaught> katie1231: I suspect the kernel module got built for the wrong kernel version. If you run "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64" do the installed versions match?
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3520 [21:33:48] <Ntemis> if anyone knows how to fix this replaced-url
3521 [21:34:39] <markybob> Ntemis: so you're in testing?
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3523 [21:35:55] <Ntemis> markybob: not exactly am not on debian vanilla
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3526 [21:36:05] <jmcnaught> katie1231: by the way, did the default nouveau video driver work? why not just use that one?
3527 [21:36:10] <markybob> Ntemis: then you're offtopic and not supported
3528 [21:36:30] <Ntemis> ok
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3530 [21:36:50] <katie1231> jmcnaught: it did work, but the graphics were not good so i thought i needed to install the nvidia drivers?
3531 [21:37:21] <katie1231> jmcnaught: the graphics were all blurry and zoomed in
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3534 [21:37:51] <jmcnaught> katie1231: the proprietary drivers are faster but have their own problems. did you check if linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64 were both the same version?
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3537 [21:38:20] <katie1231> jmcnaught: i dont think they are when i ran that command i saw a lot of info let me type it out
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3544 [21:39:59] <jmcnaught> katie1231: check the "Installed:" fields for both of them, is one 3.16 something, the other 4.4 something?
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3546 [21:40:50] <katie1231> jmcnaught: exactly! Yes. linux-image-amd64 is 3.16 and linux-header-amd64 is 4.4
3547 [21:41:15] <katie1231> so my souces.list is messed up?
3548 [21:41:34] <markybob> no you just have to get your linux-image-amd64 from backports
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3550 [21:41:45] <katie1231> how do i do that?
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3553 [21:42:00] <markybob> apt-get install linux-image-amd64 -t jessie-backports
3554 [21:42:12] <jmcnaught> katie1231: you can do as markybob suggests, or stick with the stock kernel from jessie by using the linux-headers-amd64 from jessie not jessie-backports
3555 [21:42:22] <markybob> yeah, either way.
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3559 [21:42:48] <jmcnaught> the stock kernel is more polished, if you don't need the backports kernel i'd say don't use it
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3562 [21:44:11] <katie1231> okay so you're saying get rid of the backports and just use the stock kernel and nouveau drivers then?
3563 [21:44:34] <katie1231> the wiki led me to install the nvidia backports drivers so thats what i did
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3565 [21:45:02] <jmcnaught> katie1231: well.. that is what *I* would do, but if you want to use the nvidia drivers right now you have compiled them for the backports kernel, while you are still using the stock kernel
3566 [21:45:04] <DeaDSouL> katie1231: if you have the backport repo, just type : aptitude -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64
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3568 [21:45:35] <jmcnaught> katie1231: so you need to upgrade to backports kernel, or get nvidia-driver to compile for the stock kernel (by using linux-headers-amd64 3.16)
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3571 [21:46:24] <katie1231> ill just upgrade to backports kernel since I don't know how to make the nvidia-driver to compile
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3579 [21:48:03] <katie1231> is there a way to get the nouveau drivers to render better graphics? I would rather do that instead
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3581 [21:48:36] <DeaDSouL> katie1231: next time, jsut write a script to auto complie nvidia, whenever kernel updated, and store it in /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ .... it will save you a lot of headache
3582 [21:48:37] <jmcnaught> katie1231: it's not that hard. you'd first "aptitude remove linux-headers-amd64", then install that package again w/o the "-t jessie-backports" flag.
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3584 [21:49:21] <jmcnaught> DeaDSouL: the DKMS package in Debian already does that, the problem here was that linux-headers were different version than linux-image
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3589 [21:50:08] * jmcnaught thinks about updating NvidiaGraphicsDrivers, doesn't even have Nvidia though.
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3593 [21:52:52] <markybob> jmcnaught: you finally got your account?
3594 [21:53:02] <jmcnaught> katie1231: there's a #nouveau channel that might be able to help you with nouveau specific problems if you prefer to use the open source drivers
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3596 [21:53:20] <jmcnaught> markybob: i've had an account there for years. i wrote the first version of DontBreakDebian :)
3597 [21:53:52] <katie1231> jmcnaught: okay i did "aptitude remove linux-headers-amd64" then reinstalled nvidia drivers without "-t jessie-backports" and when i run the apt-cache policy linux-headers-amd64 installed: none
3598 [21:54:01] <markybob> jmcnaught: oh i must have confused you with someone else. someone with a similar nick said they were having problems yesterday making one
3599 [21:54:28] <jmcnaught> katie1231: you still need linux-headers-amd64 installed, just not from backports
3600 [21:54:52] <katie1231> jmcnaught: how do i install that then?
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3602 [21:54:57] <jmcnaught> katie1231: "apt-get install linux-headers-amd64" (then check with apt-cache policy that you have 3.16)
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3607 [21:56:20] <katie1231> jmcnaught: okay apt-cache policies match now.
3608 [21:56:26] <jmcnaught> katie1231: then after that do "apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-kernel-dkms"
3609 [21:56:45] <jmcnaught> katie1231: and watch the output, it will say whether it successfully builds a module or not
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3611 [21:57:18] <katie1231> --reinstall isn't understood
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3613 [21:58:53] <katie1231> just needed the install --reinstall
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3615 [21:59:36] <jmcnaught> katie1231: --reinstall can go before install, you just can't forget install
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3618 [22:00:02] <katie1231> jmcnaught: got it. Looks like the DKMS: install completed. so am i good to go?
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3621 [22:01:06] <jmcnaught> katie1231: probably. if you reboot and it doesn't work it'll probably just be the same situation as before
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3624 [22:02:38] <katie1231> jmcnaught: yea when i reboot it sends me straight into tty1....hmm
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3626 [22:03:49] <jmcnaught> katie1231: you said above that you reinstalled nvidia-drivers not from backports? the problem wasn't using nvidia-driver from backports, it was the linux-headers from backports
3627 [22:04:40] <jmcnaught> katie1231: so you could check /var/log/Xorg.0.log again ("0" is the most recent one), or perhaps "apt-get -t jessie-backports install nvidia-driver"
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3632 [22:04:59] <jmcnaught> katie1231: my suspicion is that now you have a mix of the backports and non-backports nvidia packages
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3640 [22:09:15] <katie1231> jmcnaught: yea i check Xorg.0.log and it's still the same errors
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3642 [22:12:20] <jmcnaught> katie1231: "aptitude purge ~i~nnvidia" should remove all of the nvidia packages. double check the list of proposed removals before answering yes, ask about anything you think shouldn't be removed.
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3646 [22:13:11] <jmcnaught> katie1231: then you can reinstall the nvidia driver packages you need, either from backports or not (but not a mix)
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3649 [22:13:30] <jmcnaught> katie1231: or if you want i can help you get back to using nouveau
3650 [22:13:57] <katie1231> yea i think i want to just get back to using nouveau. At least then I still have a working machine.
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3652 [22:14:33] <Somelauw> About the package 'festival'? How do I install a new voice for this program? What package do I find them in?
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3654 [22:14:50] <jmcnaught> katie1231: try that "aptitude purge ~i~nnvidia" command, but double-check it doesn't remove anything you want to keep
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3656 [22:15:18] <markybob> Somelauw: you apt-cache search festival
3657 [22:15:38] <jmcnaught> katie1231: then you need to remove the file you made in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and there will also be a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ that blacklists nouveau, remove that too
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3659 [22:16:12] <hiya> debian 7 has systemd too right?
3660 [22:17:00] <markybob> hiya: it has it. not default. jessie made it default.
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3664 [22:18:02] <katie1231> jmcnaught: I should delete the fbdev-blacklist.conf file correct?
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3669 [22:18:52] <jmcnaught> katie1231: no
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3672 [22:19:06] <jmcnaught> katie1231: there's a different file that actually says the word nouveau in it
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3674 [22:19:26] <katie1231> jmcnaught: i dont see that file
3675 [22:19:51] <katie1231> i only have dkms.conf fbdev-blacklist.conf and modesetting.conf
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3684 [22:20:38] <Biganon> Hi ; I've just installed phpmyadmin with aptitude, but no /usr/share/phpmyadmin directory was created ; the configuration files included with the package point to this directory though
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3686 [22:20:45] <jmcnaught> katie1231: i don't know what the file is named. read the contents of each file with "cat". Or do "grep nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/*"
3687 [22:20:48] <hiya> markybob, kk
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3689 [22:21:13] <Somelauw> markybob: I could find packages for some of the voices (although some start with festvox instead), but some of the voices seem to be missing for example I couldn't find packages for Spanish and Welsh.
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3691 [22:21:38] <Somelauw> markybob: the mentions explicitely mentions English, Spanish, Russian and Welsh to be options
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3694 [22:22:58] <Somelauw> nvm, I found them
3695 [22:23:13] <Somelauw> I was grepping case-sensitive
3696 [22:23:45] <jmcnaught> katie1231: it's probably the dkms.conf file. if you do "cat dkms.conf" does it say nouveau? That would be the one to remove.
3697 [22:24:34] <katie1231> jmcnaught: no it doesn't say nouveau
3698 [22:24:40] <Mathisen> maybe offtopic in here but where can i get the tails iso ? im talking about replaced-url
3699 [22:25:10] <katie1231> jmcnaught: maybe i deleted those default nouveau drivers?
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3703 [22:25:35] <markybob> !tails
3704 [22:25:36] <dpkg> Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
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3706 [22:25:42] <markybob> pretty offtopic, yeah
3707 [22:25:49] <jmcnaught> katie1231: grep nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/* <--- this returns nothing? maybe purging the nvidia drivers actually removes the blacklist file now. it used to leave that file behind
3708 [22:26:40] <Mathisen> markybob, okej :) thx anyway
3709 [22:26:45] <katie1231> jmcnaught: yea returns nothing
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3711 [22:28:03] <TomTomTosch> Mathisen: riding the offtopic train > their website has a big Install button with a bittorrent file at the end of a few clicks.
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3713 [22:29:02] <Mathisen> TomTomTosch, thx
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3718 [22:29:32] <markybob> TomTomTosch: i see you're joined the dark side
3719 [22:30:06] <Somelauw> the difference between festival, foxlite and flint seems vague at least
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3722 [22:30:47] <katie1231> jmcnaught: should i reboot?
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3724 [22:31:22] <jmcnaught> katie1231: yeah :) worst case is you're still in same situation. good luck, i gotta eat. lots of other helpers here though
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3726 [22:31:32] <katie1231> thanks!
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3728 [22:31:55] <mariok> Hello!
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3730 [22:32:24] <mariok> I tried to do a Debian Stretch installation with the Image debian-stretch-DI-alpha5-amd64-netinst.iso
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3732 [22:32:36] <markybob> mariok: don't. it's known to be broken
3733 [22:32:44] <markybob> mariok: install stable and dist-upgrade
3734 [22:32:54] <mariok> The Installation failed in the section "Select and install software".
3735 [22:33:00] <mariok> I found this is the problem:
3736 [22:33:07] <mariok> replaced-url
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3738 [22:33:13] <katie1231> on boot up i get "Failed to start GNOME display manager"
3739 [22:33:23] <markybob> mariok: yeah. read what i said.
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3741 [22:33:51] <mariok> markybob: okay thanks
3742 [22:34:08] <mariok> do you know the bug id of the bug?
3743 [22:34:29] <mariok> because you know it is boken I expect there is a bug open. Is'n it?
3744 [22:34:52] <mariok> markybob: thanks for the fast reply
3745 [22:34:54] <markybob> mariok: not off the top of my head and to be honest i'm pretty drunk. but i do know what i said is a fact. we get a ton of people in here every day complaining about alpha 5. that same exact issue
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3749 [22:35:46] <mariok> It's okay for me. So you (Debian people) are aware of that. Thanks for the support
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3751 [22:35:54] <markybob> mariok: yes
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3775 [22:45:19] <Somelauw> Could the package festvox-ellpc11k be broken? After installing it, I tried running festival --language spanish or castillian_spanish but both tell me I didn't install a spanish voice.
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3784 [22:48:21] <markybob> Somelauw: i've honestly never used it so this is just a guess. maybe you need to logout and back in for it to recognize it?
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3793 [22:51:59] <Somelauw> markybob: logging out and in from X didn't work.
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3843 [23:13:47] <Psi-Jack> With ftpsync method, is it possible to mirror only one version of Debian, instead of pretty much all? For example, I only want to mirror Debian jessie at this time, amd64 arch only.
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3908 [23:58:43] <MaBunny> Yo guys
3909 [23:58:57] <maher> update-flashplugin-nonfree --status shows a newer version available upstream, but it doesn't seem to want to update to it - any advice?
3910 [23:59:01] <MaBunny> Hows the day going!!!
3911 [23:59:11] <jonathan_zz> almost over, thank god ;-).
3912 [23:59:38] <MaBunny> Mines started,at night ;)
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