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1[00:00:05] <dioz> "jump in"
2[00:00:10] <dioz> i didn't even highlight a nickname
3[00:00:18] <dioz> who did i say it to?
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5[00:00:31] <bezaban> ignore me HelloAtMega, ssh-add is not required unless using agent
6[00:00:42] <bezaban> dioz: gee, hard to say in that context
7[00:01:05] <dioz> the comment wasn't even related to what they were talking about
8[00:01:26] <jmcnaught> dioz: we should just drop it.
9[00:01:31] <bezaban> agreed
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13[00:02:44] <HelloAtMega> jmcnaught,
14[00:02:46] <HelloAtMega> sorry
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17[00:02:54] <HelloAtMega> my home power went down
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23[00:03:28] <HelloAtMega> I tried to connect to he vps server using my terminal (not putty)
24[00:03:46] <HelloAtMega> and it asked me for the password just as if no RSA was configured
25[00:03:48] <HelloAtMega> :(
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28[00:04:11] <jim> hi, I'm running jessie and randomly decided to see what updates there are, so I aptitude update, then aptitude dist-upgrade, then said no when it asked to proceed... what I noticed was libc is updated, and I wonder what that's about?
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30[00:04:27] <bezaban> jim: see topic :)
31[00:05:14] <bezaban> absolutely recommended to upgrade
32[00:05:26] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: this is sorta what it looks like for me. I don't have gnome-keyring's ssh-agent disabled. so on line 13 i get a dialogue box prompting for my SSH passphrase: replaced-url
33[00:05:29] <jim> bezaban, how long ago was that?
34[00:05:47] <jim> I got the one from like 3-4 weeks ago
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40[00:06:48] <HelloAtMega> I didn't, jmcnaught
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42[00:06:59] <HelloAtMega> I got no prompt window on my client pc
43[00:07:16] <HelloAtMega> it just asks for my vps server password
44[00:07:19] <bezaban> jim: ah, that'll be the 'big' one, not sure what advisory the latest one is
45[00:07:39] <bezaban> jim: replaced-url
46[00:07:42] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: probably because you disabled ssh-agent :) try "ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa", does that ask for the passphrase?
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48[00:08:01] <HelloAtMega> try that on vps or in my PC?
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50[00:08:31] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: on the PC. client key stuff is always on the local PC
51[00:09:08] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: actually, i recommend that you undo what you did to disable gnome-keyring ssh-agent, and restart your gnome session by logging out/back in
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54[00:09:36] <HelloAtMega> that didn't asked me for a passphrase
55[00:09:47] <HelloAtMega> to re-enable the gnome-keyring ssh-agent integration?
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60[00:10:51] <HelloAtMega> ahh, now it didn't asked pasword or passphrase
61[00:10:57] <HelloAtMega> now it looks good
62[00:11:08] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: yes. i think you disabled it out of a misunderstanding, confusing ssh host keys with client keys which are two separate things
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64[00:11:26] <jim> bezaban, factinfo on libc6_bug is from 51 days ago, so I must have gotten that... what changes in jessie libc are later than that?
65[00:11:35] <Fox682> is there a good resource to update a kernel to 4.4 or 4.5?
66[00:12:07] <jim> Fox682, start with apt-cache search linux-image
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68[00:12:24] <Fox682> it only shows me the current kernel I have...
69[00:12:35] <Aorious> How can I allow a script executed by a udev rule, to run as the currently logged in (non root) user?
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71[00:13:13] <jim> Fox682 one sec
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75[00:13:53] <jmcnaught> Fox682: do you have some problem that you think a newer kernel might fix?
76[00:14:11] <bezaban> jim: stable?
77[00:14:28] <bezaban> can't find very recent changes in the package tracker
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79[00:14:43] <jim> yes, I'm running 8.3 (just found out about 8.4)
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81[00:15:15] <HelloAtMega> jmcnaught, thanks for your help
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83[00:15:30] <Fox682> I'd like to know how to do it, getting a newer kernel will probably be important in the future so I need to be farmiliar with the process.
84[00:15:35] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: you're welcome. i hope you understand it a little better now :)
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86[00:15:40] <jim> Fox682: (if you must...) add backports and do that apt-cache search linux-image again
87[00:15:47] <HelloAtMega> yes, I think I do
88[00:16:06] <Fox682> is that in apt sources or on the cli?
89[00:16:21] <jmcnaught> ,kernels
90[00:16:22] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.5.0-trunk-686-pae (4.5-1~exp1); sid: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.6-1); stretch: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.4.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.4.6-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.78-1)
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92[00:16:50] <Fox682> yeah jessie-backports 4.4.0 is the one I'm interested in, I'm running jessie 3.16 now
93[00:16:58] <bezaban> 8.4 details lists: Improve granpt when /dev/pts is not mounted with the correct options; don't build pt_chown [CVE-2013-2207]
94[00:17:02] <bezaban> for glibc
95[00:17:20] <jmcnaught> there's also "apt-get changelog libc6"
96[00:17:32] <bezaban> thought I'd be able to see that in the package tracker
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98[00:17:50] <jim> Fox682, so, you would add backports to your sources.list
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100[00:17:59] <Fox682> got it
101[00:18:04] <bezaban> jmcnaught: that's handy :)
102[00:18:24] <jim> any time you alter your sources.list, you would aptitude update
103[00:18:49] <jim> after the update, you can run the apt-cache search again
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108[00:19:54] <jim> bezaban, thank you... it doesn't seem like that applies to what I'm doing (so, maybe not urgent?)
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110[00:20:09] <jmcnaught> Fox682: do you use an drivers that had to be installed with a DKMS package that required linux-headers-$arch ?
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116[00:21:03] <Fox682> not that I'm aware of, if my VPS self imolates I'll just make a new instance and do this in a VM. lol
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119[00:21:51] <Fox682> there we go, now I got some kernels
120[00:21:59] <jmcnaught> Fox682: oh this is a VPS? sticking with the stock kernel is probably best, it will be covered by the security team
121[00:22:12] <bezaban> jim: none seem critical from the apt-get changelog lib6, but I don't see any reason not to update
122[00:22:14] <Fox682> it's ok, I'm going to kill it today anyways
123[00:22:55] <jim> why not test it in a vm first? maybe you can clone your present one, and then update the kernel there... btw, if things are all working for you, you might consider just relaxing
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125[00:23:15] <Fox682> it's just a VPS guys...
126[00:23:25] <jmcnaught> Fox682: also some VPSs don't give you control over the kernel. what does "uname -a" say?
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128[00:23:55] <Fox682> Linux DebianCloud 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-1 (2016-03-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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133[00:25:16] <jmcnaught> Fox682: okay, it should work then. still, experimenting on a private VM at home is better than using a VPS. you have to pay for a VPS, and it's on the public internet so mistakes can turn into abuse that harms other servers
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135[00:25:35] <Fox682> i understand
136[00:25:52] <jim> Fox682, and if everything's working, just chill... recently, I tried a 4.3.0 on an amd cpu, and it crashed sometimes... works better on the newer cpu
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138[00:26:27] <jmcnaught> Fox682: anyways, "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" for how to get the backports kernel
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140[00:27:48] <jim> Fox682, well, whatever... do what you want with your own machine... you have that choice (no matter what anyone else says) and, you can also choose to stay put
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142[00:28:22] <bluszcz> hi,
143[00:28:26] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: me again :) once you practice with ssh keys some more, you might consider disabling password authentication in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on your VPS, so that only keys can be used to log in. keys are a lot more secure than passwords.
144[00:29:00] <jak2000> jhuebner: thanks for your help finally i installed proxmox
145[00:29:11] <bluszcz> i am experiencing extremelly weird issue with pbuilder, when i build my package pbuilder build it ccrashes on undefined references of one library, whch is installed. When i enter login to cchroot and build same package - it works, it puzzles me a lot
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147[00:29:42] <jak2000> the key was: replaced-url
148[00:29:46] <Fox682> hmm... rebooted it, it's alive
149[00:30:19] <Fox682> uname -r - 4.4.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
150[00:30:32] <jim> bezaban, I appreciate the thoughts and your time... thanks.
151[00:30:58] <bezaban> jim: no worries, not sure I was even helpful. Bored at home with gf out boozing :P
152[00:31:51] <jim> bezaban, you did help, by informing my choices
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156[00:33:10] <Fox682> well that kernel upgrade was delightfully uneventful
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158[00:33:23] <Fox682> I'll play with it and kill it later, since it's working
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162[00:34:26] <jim> Fox682, maybe keep an eye on /var/log/syslog and/or dmesg for awhile
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166[00:34:51] <Fox682> I'll definitely keep that in mind :D
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168[00:36:05] <jim> but anyway, now you see that process for getting stuff from backports (and, you might want to read bug reports...)
169[00:37:04] <Fox682> hmmm... dmesg has nothing in it lol
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175[00:38:53] <Guest19553> Fox682: the command dmesg. not /var/log/dmesg
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177[00:39:17] <Fox682> got it
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183[00:39:49] <Fox682> I'll pipe it to a file so I can read it lol
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186[00:40:58] <jmcnaught> Fox682: pipe it to less
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197[00:43:02] <Fox682> oh ok
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201[00:43:19] <arucard> exit
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207[00:44:32] <Fox682> some acpi failures, vda1 was re-mounted. Actually no much for anything show stopping.
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211[00:45:02] <f-a> I need one package from contrib (virtualbox) and I run main. What should I do?
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215[00:45:33] <Fox682> you can download the deb from the VBox website
216[00:45:35] <fred1807> is it possible to hack systemd to run 1 line of command as the very first action?
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219[00:46:41] <markybob> f-a: don't download it from vbox website. just add contrib to sources.list. much more sensible.
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222[00:47:36] <markybob> f-a: you can always remove contrib after if you really want
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225[00:48:13] <HelloAtMega> jmcnaught, I know about that about disabling password authentication
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227[00:48:27] <HelloAtMega> but I'm not sure how to do that by now
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229[00:48:48] <HelloAtMega> I used to do that when I had a few dedicated servers a few years ago
230[00:49:08] <HelloAtMega> I used to change a few lines in sshd_config file
231[00:49:20] <HelloAtMega> but I don't remember the lines now
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234[00:49:29] <Fox682> You can get a VPS for $5/mo 512MBs ram and typically 20-30GB drive and 1TB of transfer etc etc.
235[00:49:33] <HelloAtMega> I think I used to disable pam logins
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237[00:49:43] <HelloAtMega> and disable "permitRootLogin"
238[00:49:50] <HelloAtMega> change the ssh default port
239[00:49:54] <HelloAtMega> and stuff like that
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241[00:50:01] <Fox682> fail2ban?
242[00:50:03] <HelloAtMega> just to change the default setups a but
243[00:50:13] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: it's not that difficult. the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file is well commented, and there's "man sshd_config" if you need more details. I never change the ssh port though.
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246[00:50:36] <HelloAtMega> I always changed it
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248[00:50:53] <HelloAtMega> I was doing bit torrent stuff
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250[00:51:11] <HelloAtMega> and there was always enemies in terms of uplaoders
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252[00:51:37] <HelloAtMega> and there was a couple of bitches that were always trying to take our servers down with all kind of attacks
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254[00:52:00] <HelloAtMega> and I learned from the very beginning, a few steps to make it a bit harder
255[00:52:52] <HelloAtMega> well, details, I guess
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262[00:54:44] <jmcnaught> HelloAtMega: dogs? or sexist slurs? anyways, there's a small risk to consider with changing ssh port to something higher than 1024 because those ports can be opened by non-root users. but generally i find it more trouble than it's worth to change the ssh port because you've gotta remember or set your ssh client config
263[00:55:39] <HelloAtMega> but don't you use putty, for instance?
264[00:55:54] <HelloAtMega> you can always set the port and don't worry with that ever again
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267[00:56:05] <bezaban> if always connecting from the same client machine :)
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270[00:56:20] <HelloAtMega> I also didn't know about that detail about poets higher than 1024
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272[00:56:34] <HelloAtMega> ports
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276[00:58:16] <bezaban> I never bother with changing the ports myself, but I do enforce lockouts (denyhosts, fail2ban etc) which are less likely to be triggered using keys anyway
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278[00:59:03] <bezaban> share username across systems, alternatively also with agent forwarding and you can just 'ssh host' to where you need to go
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341[01:25:42] <HelloAtMega> help levels
342[01:25:55] <HelloAtMega> oops
343[01:26:01] <HelloAtMega> wrong window
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351[01:32:56] <fred1807> why no more ffmpeg?
352[01:33:10] <markybob> fred1807: it's in jessie-backports
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403[02:01:59] <travis_> I'm trying to install debian squeeze netinst when it gets to select and install software it comes up with error "an installation step failed...." is there a fix for this or should i just try a cd image
404[02:02:15] <markybob> travis_: squeeze is no longer in the repos
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406[02:02:26] <markybob> travis_: so...you have a problem
407[02:02:27] <travis_> ....
408[02:02:37] <markybob> travis_: it's been archived. it's that old
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410[02:02:49] <travis_> wait whats the current then lmao
411[02:03:00] <travis_> wait wait
412[02:03:02] <markybob> travis_: jessie
413[02:03:02] <dvs> !jessie
414[02:03:03] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: replaced-url
415[02:03:06] <travis_> i mean stretch
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417[02:03:11] <travis_> im doing stretch netinst my bad
418[02:03:20] <markybob> travis_: stretch's installer is known to be broken
419[02:03:35] <markybob> travis_: you don't use testing installer to install testing. you install stable then dist-upgrade
420[02:03:43] <markybob> travis_: but if you don't know that you probably shouldn't do it
421[02:04:15] <travis_> ahh the issue with me is that my wifi adapter isnt supported in stables kernel ... i guess icould just load and install a kernel on a usb stick after tho
422[02:04:19] * dvs 's favorite factoid
423[02:04:42] <dvs> travis_, which adapter is that?
424[02:04:45] <markybob> travis_: jessie-backports has 4.4 kernel. same as testing
425[02:04:56] <travis_> dlink dwa-130 not sure which version
426[02:05:13] <dvs> travis_, get the unofficial firmware one
427[02:05:21] <markybob> !firmware installer
428[02:05:21] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
429[02:05:55] <markybob> !tell travis_ about firmware images
430[02:06:04] <travis_> right I got the firmware for it to install stretch ... I can use that same firmware while installing jessie right?
431[02:06:27] <dvs> travis_, The firmware installer comes with the firmware
432[02:06:29] <markybob> travis_: jessie has it's own firmware installer. use that
433[02:06:48] <travis_> kk will see what I can do and come back if I have issues, thanks guys
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435[02:07:02] <markybob> travis_: replaced-url
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437[02:07:44] <travis_> downloading now thx bro
438[02:10:13] <travis_> unrelated question but I use dd a lot ... do you guys know any flags I can use to show % moved when using dd.. for example if im moving that debian netinst image to a usb and do dd if=/home/../diskimage of=/dev/sdb
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440[02:10:32] <solrize> debian.org recommends downloading iso by jigdo, but there's no apt package for it?
441[02:10:33] <markybob> travis_: the install guide tells you to cp image.iso /dev/sdb
442[02:10:58] <solrize> it's on a non-debian site belonging to some guy, and it says it's now unmaintained
443[02:11:04] <travis_> oh okk
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478[02:33:56] <travis_> If I have 250 Gb how much should I make for / and how much for /home?
479[02:34:08] <travis_> and why not put it all on /
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482[02:35:39] <jonathan_zz> Personally I make very small root but maybe that would not be helpful for you.
483[02:35:58] <TiCPU> I usually have 20GB for / on servers but on personal, I have most of the time 60GB and above since I don't care as much about separating the OS from data
484[02:36:04] <nevyn> depends on usage
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489[02:36:44] <jonathan_zz> myself i create volume for data, currently I have my data encrypted but not system.
490[02:36:49] <TiCPU> that may explain my 60GB too, nevyn ;)
491[02:37:28] <travis_> ahh. I keep a lot of movies and music so I guess I'll stick with small /
492[02:38:01] <TiCPU> right now on this personnal PC I have root at 30GB / 40GB and the bulk of my data is in /mnt/btrfs in that case which has some subvolumes mapped to /home and /srv
493[02:38:49] <jonathan_zz> my (kubuntu) root is 10GB of 16GB now
494[02:39:09] <jonathan_zz> but I install games etc. on my data
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496[02:39:57] <travis_> yuck kubuntu xD ... you got any suggestions for free games though ? :D
497[02:40:06] <TiCPU> /srv containing shared movies and music, also torrents and /home having random stuff, sources, compiled binaries and documents so it amounts to some GB too, but BTRFS snapshots are really handy in this subvolume
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501[02:40:59] <jonathan_zz> no and actually the only game I open atm doesn't run fast enough on linux.
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505[02:41:26] <travis_> ahh what game is that? I play MC and CS:GO and Dota 2
506[02:41:36] <jonathan_zz> guildwars 2
507[02:41:43] <isuldor> I can't seem to turn off rpcbind. Nothing I plan to use requires it. what's up with that?
508[02:41:50] <travis_> I find dota 2 is great on linux but I always have latency issues on linux gaming
509[02:42:10] <jonathan_zz> my mouse disappears in dota 2 after I view a match, so I haven't even tried playing it yet.
510[02:42:46] <Aorious> Works great for me, CS:GO too, after enabling the US locale.
511[02:43:18] <TiCPU> isuldor, you can simply purge the package since it is mostly used by NFS
512[02:43:26] <jonathan_zz> gw2 I just get very low framerate on this system, some 12fps, was better on Windows.
513[02:43:45] <isuldor> TiCPU: roger that
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515[02:44:00] <travis_> idk in windows I always get an average 25-100ms ping on games but linux its always 800+ms... I know its probably not linux specifically but my network adapters and the drivers
516[02:44:24] <jonathan_zz> and it crashes after a while due to an m_ioCount assertion or something like that.
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518[02:44:53] <jonathan_zz> that's odd.
519[02:45:17] <travis_> Damn it I need a LoL linux port. TFW it'll never happen #feelsbadman :(
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521[02:45:48] <Aorious> I try to avoid supporting games that do not support my platform.
522[02:46:25] <jonathan_zz> it seems you can use kvm to push your discrete gpu to the guest os so you can just game on Windows with 100% performance :p.
523[02:46:46] <travis_> :OO
524[02:46:51] <travis_> damn daniel
525[02:46:52] <Aorious> Yes, however there are issue switching your gpu from host to guest on the fly, apparently.
526[02:46:57] <Aorious> issues*
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529[02:47:35] <jonathan_zz> the one that I saw do it used onboard for linux and discrete for guest.
530[02:47:37] <Aorious> So if you want to play a game native on linux, than switch to something on windows virtualise, there is room to improve.
531[02:47:45] <jonathan_zz> and then dual-connected his monitor.
532[02:47:47] <travis_> but what if you were to have ... 2 gpu's
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534[02:47:51] <jonathan_zz> yes
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537[02:47:55] <Aorious> Waste of gpus.
538[02:47:56] <travis_> could I give 1 to linux and 1 to windows VM
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542[02:48:25] <jonathan_zz> yeah if you have onboard and discrete you can do that apparently.
543[02:48:51] <jonathan_zz> but then you cannot game on Linux perhaps.
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545[02:49:14] <Aorious> Without restarting, unless you want instability.
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547[02:49:32] <Aorious> Might as well dual boot.
548[02:49:39] <jonathan_zz> I hate that.
549[02:49:43] <jonathan_zz> I hate rebooting to begin with :p.
550[02:49:57] <Aorious> As do I... as do I.
551[02:50:04] <Aorious> :(
552[02:50:06] <travis_> lmao my desktop stays on for weeks at a time no joke
553[02:50:15] <travis_> I just like the LED's to light up my room
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555[02:51:06] <travis_> in netinst Debian desktop evironment is literally the same as GNOME right? why is there 2 options
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558[02:51:19] * esotericnonsense uses pci vga passthrough
559[02:51:29] <jonathan_zz> you'll be like, I want to rip my audio cds in linux, but I want to play a game in Windows.... and now I have to choose which one to do..... but ripping audio cds without the game to play is boring, and playing the game without ripping the cds is unproductive :p.
560[02:51:50] <TiCPU> esotericnonsense, using libvirt??
561[02:52:05] <TiCPU> or should I say, Qemu
562[02:52:10] <Aorious> WINE is bareable.
563[02:52:11] <esotericnonsense> host gets a less powerful GPU, if I want to play linux games, I can boot a linux vga passthrough VM :P
564[02:52:26] <esotericnonsense> TiCPU: yes, qemu/kvm/libvirt
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566[02:52:27] <jonathan_zz> I couldn't get Diablo 2 to play full screen
567[02:52:28] <jonathan_zz> back then
568[02:52:53] <TiCPU> I'll have to give it a try now that I know
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571[02:53:01] <jonathan_zz> hehe
572[02:53:07] <Aorious> esotericnonsense, OHHHHH, I never thought of that.
573[02:53:15] <travis_> I played a pretty old Windows game a couple months ago through wine ... its gotta be like 10 years old and it couldnt for some reason get text right.. it appeared as just random symbols that werent even letters
574[02:53:19] <esotericnonsense> the main problems really just surround pci reset which is a card-by-card thing
575[02:53:30] <TiCPU> however, since I switched to Core i7 6700K I have problem with the Skylake video so I have to use an NVidia card I had laying around. :(
576[02:53:40] <esotericnonsense> my gtx960 is flawless, my cheapo geforce 210 often requires a reboot
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578[02:54:16] <markybob> TiCPU: which kernel?
579[02:54:36] <esotericnonsense> after a fresh reboot, i can get a W7 guest on both cards and play lan on the same machine with 2xKB/mouse/monitor
580[02:54:36] <TiCPU> I tried 4.2, 4.3 and 4.4
581[02:54:39] <markybob> TiCPU: yeah you have to use 4.5 for skylake.
582[02:54:55] <dvs> TiCPU, you just have to backport the intel X driver
583[02:54:55] <TiCPU> ... damn, let me reboot :)
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585[02:55:10] <esotericnonsense> so for about 100-150GBP you have lan against your friends
586[02:55:19] <esotericnonsense> less if you already have dual monitor
587[02:55:40] <jonathan_zz> funky, like a game console
588[02:55:48] <TiCPU> dvs, I'm currently on ubuntu 16.04, not debian on this computer, which version of the xorg driver?
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590[02:56:22] <travis_> how do I get nvidia binary driver for my 750ti in debian? never done it in debian before but installing the .run driver from nvidias website broke x on my LM machine so im worried lol
591[02:56:31] <jonathan_zz> this pc has GT 640, I have another one in the home not connected with R9 380
592[02:56:37] <dvs> TiCPU, dunno about the ubuntu version. I just used the one in jessie-backports and it worked.
593[02:56:38] <TiCPU> apt cache says Candidate: 2:2.99.917+git20160325-1ubuntu1
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595[02:56:50] <TiCPU> I'll go check what version they are on stretch
596[02:56:58] <jonathan_zz> ooh I never use the .run, way too complicated.
597[02:57:07] <travis_> no its easy xD
598[02:57:11] <jonathan_zz> on ubuntu there's just packages
599[02:57:12] <esotericnonsense> i'd like to get another card that behaves a bit more than the gf210, but without having concrete evidence it seems like i'd have to overpay
600[02:57:13] <Aorious> Its wayyy easier.
601[02:57:20] <travis_> I mean it broke my LM system but I think its just because I was using mdm
602[02:57:27] <markybob> travis_: yeah it's easy and it breaks shit. don't suggest it
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604[02:57:32] <Aorious> Yh
605[02:57:39] <esotericnonsense> gtx960 is too expensive to justify, there's probably something for 50 quid that would work but if it doesn't, waste of time/money
606[02:57:47] <markybob> !nvidia
607[02:57:47] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
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609[02:57:48] <jonathan_zz> when I tried I couldn't even get the 32-bit drivers running.
610[02:57:51] <travis_> markybob how can i get it on debian then lol
611[02:57:54] <markybob> see. not supported if you do that
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613[02:58:05] <TiCPU> dvs: Stretch seems to be on 2:2.99.917+git20160307-2 so I'm good :) I'll install kernel 4.5 and reboot on my Intel card, it has been 2 months since I last tried
614[02:58:05] <markybob> travis_: you read the wiki and follow the guide
615[02:58:31] <markybob> !tell travis_ about dontbreakdebian
616[02:58:56] <travis_> damn it wiki's are my greatest enemy
617[02:59:06] <travis_> lolol jk ill read it
618[02:59:18] <markybob> travis_: well just don't give bad info
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620[02:59:27] <TiCPU> those damn .run files yea
621[02:59:37] <markybob> TiCPU: btw, testin support is on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
622[02:59:45] <travis_> "NVIDIA, FUCK YOU!"
623[03:00:10] * themill wonders where the signal:noise knob is
624[03:00:11] <TiCPU> markybob, you're right
625[03:00:34] <jonathan_zz> newest nvidia driver gives a lot of issues though, needs workaround in many games.
626[03:01:04] <jonathan_zz> 361.28
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628[03:01:29] <travis_> ^ think thats the one that broke my whole lm machine lmao
629[03:01:43] <jonathan_zz> what is lm? btw
630[03:01:44] <TiCPU> markybob, did debian decided to switch to oftc recently? (since freenode changed some rules I think?)
631[03:01:48] <travis_> linux mint
632[03:01:53] <jonathan_zz> oh
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634[03:02:08] <travis_> aka ubuntu
635[03:02:17] <themill> TiCPU: if 10 years ago is recent
636[03:02:19] <markybob> TiCPU: no. a few years ago
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638[03:02:39] <jonathan_zz> borderlands2 needs a workaround (extra parameter/shell variable).
639[03:03:21] <TiCPU> well, I did not know and was mislead by some recent spam in #freenode
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642[03:04:02] <travis_> Kappa
643[03:04:30] <skytrash> netstat -tulpn
644[03:04:39] <skytrash> damn it
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647[03:06:26] <jonathan_zz> borderlands2 needs this as launch command: __GLVND_DISALLOW_PATCHING=1 %command%
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651[03:08:26] <jonathan_zz> I believe Dota 2 required this commented in the .sh: export __GL_THREADED_OPTIMIZATIONS=1
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675[03:25:29] <boser> hello, i have a litle question regard the X11-Server in debian(Jessie). Where find i the konfiguration files? (zb.) for the monitor, to set a resolution?
676[03:26:20] <themill> !xorg.conf
677[03:26:20] <dpkg> From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken), by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg manual config>.
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688[03:29:21] <boser> dpkg: for your, as information. I have two pc on one monitor and if i switch between the two pc, the resolution is gone, so that i get only the default resoulution. taht's my problem.
689[03:29:22] <dpkg> boser: I think you lost me on that one
690[03:29:39] <dvs> dpkg: what are you
691[03:29:39] <dpkg> I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
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693[03:30:37] <boser> dpkg: xorg manual config
694[03:30:37] <dpkg> From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. To configure your keyboard layout for both X and console, run «dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration». If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. See also <xorg hal>. replaced-url
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696[03:32:22] <themill> boser: it's most likely you need to fiddle with the xrandr command
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699[03:38:00] <boser> thx to all and bot. :-) i have now my xorg.conf file. :-) after 8 hours of searching. ;-)
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710[03:44:43] <TiCPU> markybob, dvs: currently on latest xorg driver and kernel 4.6-rc2 on the intel card, now let's have youtube running 30 minutes to see if I get a total lockup
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750[04:07:58] <tacoinanus> The last time I did a debian install on my laptop, I had it install all the recommended packages, so I had all these other applications, but with this most recent install, I've had to manually install things like iceweasel, and pretty much everything else. I didn't have a gui when it was installed. How do I get it to have all of the normal packages?
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757[04:08:58] <markybob> tacoinanus: so it sounds like you used netinst. it gave you an option of what to install. apparently you selected nothing
758[04:09:06] <markybob> tacoinanus: so what do you want? gnome?
759[04:10:02] <tacoinanus> I've already got the gui set up, I'm really just looking for system setting type stuff
760[04:10:26] <markybob> tacoinanus: yes, but which? i'm trying to pick which task package to tell you to use
761[04:10:42] <tacoinanus> Oh, well gnome will work fine then.
762[04:10:48] <tacoinanus> Thank you
763[04:11:03] <markybob> tacoinanus: install task-gnome-desktop
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786[04:23:23] <Xtopherus> can someone explain to me what exactly the different is between selecting built-in or modularized when compiling custom kernel ?
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805[04:40:30] <isuldor> I think (and I could be wrong) it is whether the package is installed in the base image, or on the overlay
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809[04:41:16] <isuldor> actually nvm, I was thinking of a different kernel config
810[04:42:25] <tacoinanus> I seem to be having a difficult time getting my sound to work. I just build this pc today. I've made sure nothing is muted with alsa mixer, and my guess now is that I need a driver or something.
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836[04:55:50] <Exagone313> Hi, just installed stretch and my second screen is not detected. Also, os-prober doe snot detect my windows 10 partition (on another drive, not EFI) so I can't add it on the grub. What can I do for both? Thanks for your help.
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842[04:58:06] <Xtopherus> thanks isuldor
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847[05:02:41] <travis_> exagone313 why isnt windows efi and debian is? I think you could reinstall the windows bootloader in efi and that might fix it
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857[05:07:28] <Exagone313> travis_: I won't touch windows
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859[05:07:58] <Exagone313> debian isn't installed in EFI
860[05:08:07] <jim> some people won't do windows either
861[05:09:07] <Exagone313> I'm moving to debian, but if I can't use a dual boot, I am gonna replace it by ubuntu :(
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863[05:09:41] <jim> what does the jessie netinstall image do when uefi (and the appropriate partition, and bios settings) are all present?
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865[05:10:03] <travis_> YOu might still be able to boot windows without grub you know
866[05:10:17] <Exagone313> yes with bios menu
867[05:10:18] <travis_> go to your boot priority and see if windows boot mgr still shows up
868[05:10:28] <Exagone313> but I want to add it to grub
869[05:10:30] <travis_> did you update-grub
870[05:10:33] <Exagone313> sure
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873[05:10:46] <Exagone313> os-prober prints nothing, and update-grub finds only linux
874[05:10:51] <travis_> su update-grub or sudo update-grub ... there is also ways of doing it manually
875[05:10:53] <travis_> oh
876[05:10:56] <jim> Exagone313, do whichever you want... but... if you go with ubuntu, you'll have to continue this part in #ubuntu
877[05:11:08] <Exagone313> I tried to mount windows partition, the same
878[05:11:18] <travis_> is secure boot disabled inside windows
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880[05:11:38] <Exagone313> I didn't disabled it, so I think it's on
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884[05:11:52] <Exagone313> ok I'm gonna try to disable it
885[05:11:54] <Exagone313> thanks
886[05:12:04] <poli> How does initramfs decides which device is root?
887[05:13:13] <travis_> yeah disable that bs
888[05:13:21] <travis_> also make sure its disabled in bios
889[05:13:50] <jim> if you succeed in disabling uefi, you'd be able to boot the netinstall, or ubuntu or debian or windows... turning it on means the firmware and/or boot loaders would be signed and that signature would get checked before that boot loader is allowed to run'
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892[05:14:36] <jim> poli, the grub kernel line has a setting for the root filesystem
893[05:15:24] <Exagone313> darn, can't boot into windows
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895[05:15:50] <Exagone313> so I think it was installed in EFI, using former EFI partition on the drive I just erased, strange thing, fuck you windows
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898[05:16:07] <Exagone313> or something like that
899[05:16:42] <travis_> just install syslinux with debian then
900[05:16:48] <travis_> you can boot legacy windows and debian
901[05:16:48] <jim> maybe the windows media you originally installed from can repair that
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905[05:17:23] <travis_> and yeah you can use the windows installation media to fix windows bootloader and I think change it from BIOS to efi
906[05:17:37] <jim> do you need windows this second?
907[05:18:58] <travis_> ^nobody needs windows lulz
908[05:19:15] <crayon> can someone help me out with my VM and VLC? whenever i play video lit ooks like this replaced-url
909[05:19:19] <crayon> it looks*
910[05:19:48] <travis_> Why you play videos in a vm lol
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912[05:20:44] <aedinius> I know some people that only use VMs
913[05:21:07] <travis_> idek how to fix that dude how did you install VLC? is it up to date
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918[05:23:05] <crayon> ya
919[05:23:08] <crayon> all up to date
920[05:23:19] <crayon> i tried changing all the encoders as well in vlc
921[05:23:20] <crayon> no dice
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923[05:23:39] <jim> less enterkey, more content
924[05:23:46] <travis_> how much vram did you give your vm... enabled acceleration? give it more than 1 core?
925[05:24:03] <crayon> 2gb, yes/yes
926[05:24:43] <travis_> whats the format you're watching mp4?
927[05:25:03] <crayon> mkv, x264. do you think it has to do with the codec?
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931[05:26:20] <travis_> idk honestly do you have proper video drivers
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934[05:26:51] <travis_> looking on ubuntuforums some guy with the same issue said "I found the solution. Go to vlc then on tools choose preferences and on the video section change the output option to opengl"
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936[05:27:01] <crayon> i think so.. everything else works great.
937[05:27:15] <crayon> i tried cycling through all the various outputs
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946[05:32:18] <travis_> welp i just spent forever doing jessie netinst and broke it immediately gg
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948[05:33:23] <Exagone313> travis_: windows miss a system partition
949[05:33:33] <Exagone313> so I can't repair, have to reinstall
950[05:33:45] <Exagone313> and I installed only 2 months ago
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955[05:37:02] <Exagone313> travis_: what was your idea about syslinux?
956[05:37:13] <Exagone313> or not for me?
957[05:37:34] <travis_> install syslinux as your bootloader for debian its a legacy (not efi) bootloader
958[05:37:42] <travis_> and you can add your legacy windows partition to it
959[05:38:02] <Exagone313> but I'm sure debian isn't installed via EFI, so it wasn't that problem
960[05:38:15] <travis_> guys how do I connect to wifi in debian recovery mode?
961[05:38:18] <Exagone313> I don't have /boot/efi direcoty or EFI partition
962[05:38:32] <Exagone313> travis_: to make it simple, you don't
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964[05:38:37] <Exagone313> it's a pain
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966[05:38:43] <travis_> I need to
967[05:38:52] <Exagone313> I never succeeded
968[05:39:01] <Exagone313> is your wi-fi wep?
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972[05:42:41] <travis_> no
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982[05:49:33] <travis_> guys i really need help with this
983[05:49:40] <travis_> I dont want to install again -_-
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991[05:57:23] <simonlnu> travis_: using nmcli or iw
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996[05:58:16] <simonlnu> in network-manager or wireless-tools packages, respectively
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999[05:59:40] <travis_> i ran this line "/etc/init.d/network-manager restart" and its at blinking cursor
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1001[06:00:15] <travis_> I mean it says wlan0 authenticated and etc but now its just cursor
1002[06:00:33] <simonlnu> ok, you got a prompt?
1003[06:00:35] <f-a> I want to install a piece of software from contrib, but I run main. What's the safest way to do it?
1004[06:00:47] <travis_> wait I got it
1005[06:00:52] <travis_> I hit enter and now its working
1006[06:00:55] <simonlnu> add contrib after main
1007[06:01:00] <simonlnu> ok
1008[06:01:05] <travis_> wait shit i broke it
1009[06:01:16] <travis_> I did ping google.ca to test it and now its non stop pinging
1010[06:01:23] <travis_> how do i kill that
1011[06:01:27] <simonlnu> ctrl-c
1012[06:01:46] <simonlnu> you can pass -c [a number] to limit that
1013[06:01:52] <simonlnu> no, [ ]
1014[06:02:30] <travis_> i know I forgot :P
1015[06:02:33] <travis_> thanks though
1016[06:02:47] <simonlnu> np
1017[06:03:58] <travis_> and f-a: debian wiki says if you do that you make a "FrankenDebian" and thats bad
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1019[06:04:36] <simonlnu> no, franken debian is when you mix ubuntu and debian, for example, or stable with testing/unstable
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1021[06:04:59] <simonlnu> she/he is just adding contrib
1022[06:05:01] <f-a> the software I am looking to install is virtualbox
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1024[06:05:34] <simonlnu> add contribto the relevant sources.list, then run apt-get/aptitude update
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1026[06:05:41] <simonlnu> contrib to*
1027[06:05:42] <travis_> simonlnu can you help me out with something else
1028[06:05:57] <simonlnu> depends if i can ;)
1029[06:05:57] <f-a> simonlnu: can I then switch back to main if I feel to?
1030[06:06:18] <simonlnu> f-a: you can keep it it won't matter much
1031[06:06:56] <simonlnu> travis_: "state the nature of your issue"
1032[06:07:07] * simonlnu teehees
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1034[06:07:18] <travis_> the reason im in recovery mode is i fuked up nvidia-driver so I didnt read the wiki fully and ended up running only apt-get install nvidia-driver without getting jessie-backports (I got it now) but on the wiki it only says after downloading backports and driver "DKMS will build the nvidia module for your system." "restart your system to enable the nouveau blacklist"
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1036[06:07:26] <travis_> theres a novel for ya
1037[06:08:21] <simonlnu> ok, so you got screwed up graphics, right? i'm guessing that nvidia is your boot screen video device?
1038[06:08:22] <travis_> sooo what does that mean do I just run DKMS in terminal?
1039[06:08:47] <simonlnu> you've installed the needed bits?
1040[06:08:48] <travis_> well it was screwed up im still in recovery after running replaced-url
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1042[06:09:10] <travis_> wait
1043[06:09:20] <simonlnu> well, dkms is 'smart' it'll detect if it needs to run while you're installing stuff
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1046[06:09:40] <simonlnu> (sorry for the lack of punctuation)
1047[06:09:41] <travis_> ohhh i see dkms in terminal so i think you're right lol
1048[06:09:48] <travis_> illtry reboot now
1049[06:10:39] <travis_> ouu its werking
1050[06:10:55] <travis_> fancy hd debian :D was like 240p before
1051[06:11:07] <simonlnu> nice
1052[06:11:22] <travis_> god I'm glad I learned arch linux cause now I can do most of this fixing on my own :D
1053[06:11:53] <simonlnu> arch is good for that. debian is too.
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1055[06:12:24] <travis_> shit now my second monitor isnt on
1056[06:12:33] <travis_> wait nvm
1057[06:12:36] <simonlnu> ubuntu is good for handholding and people who aren't technically minded
1058[06:13:04] <travis_> lmao!
1059[06:13:13] * simonlnu thinks they all have their merits
1060[06:13:16] <aedinius> debian enables my laziness
1061[06:13:20] <travis_> we've all been there
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1064[06:15:10] <travis_> welp I'm off thx for the help all
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1067[06:15:58] <awal1> f-a, if you install X pkg from contrib, you shouldn't remove 'contrib' component from your sources file; that X pack will get updates from that component
1068[06:16:11] <f-a> awal1: thanks
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1070[06:18:00] <awal1> f-a, qemu kvm is more stable, faster and better integrated with linux kernel and debian system then virtualbox
1071[06:18:36] <awal1> if you care about using only main , so you may want run qemu-kvm instead of vbox
1072[06:18:59] <aedinius> qemu-kvm+spicy is pretty good for a basic windows vm
1073[06:19:18] <f-a> very good
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1076[06:20:51] <awal1> and qemu-kvm dont need extra drivers/modules for its execution, linux already includes all the necessary
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1078[06:21:54] <aedinius> Since I'm dumb and am trying to run testing as a daily OS, things like vmware have broken, so I had to rebuild a work VM (for email/etc) for qemu-kvm, and its fantastic
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1080[06:22:16] <awal1> f-a, replaced-url
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1082[06:23:42] <wsirccc__> can anybody help with preseed scenarios are possible. Managed install with local preseed.cfg and remote networking stall. Do not know if preseeding is possible with local iso and in front of a physical computer.
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1084[06:23:53] <wsirccc__> tia
1085[06:24:54] <f-a> very nice awal1 , thanks
1086[06:25:07] <f-a> I was stupidly scared by kvm/quemu
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1088[06:26:34] <awal1> install virt-manager if ou want to avoid cli stuff
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1092[06:28:37] <Rusty1> aqemu is ok? seems to work
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1094[06:29:20] <Al3xG0> nvidia suspend suport drivers oficially debian?
1095[06:29:33] <Al3xG0> nvidia suspend support drivers oficially debian/unix?
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1097[06:29:51] <aedinius> Al3xG0: Do the nvidia drivers support suspend officially in debian?
1098[06:29:57] <aedinius> Al3xG0: Is that what you are asking?
1099[06:30:22] <Al3xG0> yes
1100[06:30:26] <aedinius> Al3xG0: I believe so.
1101[06:30:32] <aedinius> Al3xG0: And it works well in my experience.
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1103[06:31:15] <Al3xG0> new nvidia gpu will not have more official drivers?
1104[06:31:19] <Al3xG0> aedinius
1105[06:32:09] <awal1> i think he is asking if nvidia will no longuer provide support/drivers for linux kernel
1106[06:32:27] <Al3xG0> awal1 sure
1107[06:32:29] <Al3xG0> :)
1108[06:32:33] <Al3xG0> awal1 yes
1109[06:33:02] <awal1> Al3xGO, google that
1110[06:33:17] <awal1> I dont have nvidia
1111[06:33:21] <Al3xG0> I heard something about it
1112[06:33:32] <Al3xG0> i use radeon
1113[06:33:40] <Al3xG0> i buy new gpu
1114[06:34:10] <Al3xG0> so I asked about
1115[06:34:34] <aedinius> uh
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1117[06:35:51] <awal1> Al3xG0, intel/amd have less problems with linux/gnu in general
1118[06:35:51] <aedinius> that question... i don't know
1119[06:36:17] <Al3xG0> aedinius :) ok
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1122[06:37:54] <aedinius> I don't see (and haven't seen comment regarding it) debian dropping their packaging of the nvidia binary drivers. i also don't see nvidia dropping support for new chips with their binary driver.
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1134[06:48:22] <wsirccc__> awal1
1135[06:48:23] <wsirccc__> awal1
1136[06:48:23] <wsirccc__> awal1: install virt-manager if ou want to avoid cli stuff
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1139[06:49:03] <wsirccc__> virt-manager does preseeding?
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1161[06:57:53] <awal1> wsirccc__, what happens?
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1174[07:02:35] <MaBunny> Hey guys
1175[07:02:45] <awal1> virt-manager (virtual machine manager) is for manage (create, configure...)the VMs via GUI (graphical user interface)
1176[07:03:07] <MaBunny> So ive downloaded n installed debian 8.4 on a usb stick
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1178[07:03:41] <MaBunny> And when i try to login into my newly installed system
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1181[07:05:02] <MaBunny> It says "debian gnu/linux 8 thedrunkenone tty1" n "thedrunkenone login: "
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1184[07:05:27] <wsirccc__> awal1:asked for preseeding
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1187[07:05:49] <henryk> MaBunny: so you didn't install a desktop environment.
1188[07:05:55] <MaBunny> So its basically there for a long time,just at tht position for too much time
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1194[07:06:34] <MaBunny> No at the last screen i installed the desktop envirn n other tools
1195[07:07:19] <MaBunny> It didnt used to be like this in the prev installations
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1197[07:09:03] <MaBunny> So my problem is tht i havent installed the gnome envirn???
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1199[07:10:01] <TomTomTosch> 'dpkg -l gnome' will show you
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1201[07:10:15] <MaBunny> Ok
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1204[07:13:11] <MaBunny> Whatever password i give,it says login incorrect
1205[07:13:37] <TomTomTosch> you give a username, then a password.
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1208[07:13:46] <TomTomTosch> can't help you with a login.
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1210[07:14:03] <MaBunny> Ok
1211[07:14:22] <MaBunny> I will just reinstall the system then
1212[07:15:22] <nevyn> MaBunny: during the installation you setup a user
1213[07:15:26] <MaBunny> And why does it ask to hav or not the base packages n the desktop environ??? In the installer
1214[07:15:46] <MaBunny> I seted up a user,it was mabunny
1215[07:15:55] <MaBunny> *setted
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1217[07:16:45] <MaBunny> thedrunkenone is my root user
1218[07:16:56] <shibly> "A start job is runnin ..." How can i stop it during boot time?
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1220[07:17:06] <MaBunny> What do i do???
1221[07:17:27] <TomTomTosch> no, root is your root user.
1222[07:17:42] <MaBunny> And???
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1226[07:20:39] <shibly> Can anyone answer?
1227[07:20:44] <shibly> It takes time
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1230[07:22:23] <MaBunny> Ok guys
1231[07:22:37] <MaBunny> Im reinstalling
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1237[07:25:34] <MaBunny> Is it possible to make to nonroot users in the installer???
1238[07:25:55] <TomTomTosch> the installer does that, yes.
1239[07:26:23] <TomTomTosch> it asks you for a username and password for a normal user.
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1244[07:27:31] <MaBunny> Yeah,ive set one
1245[07:27:50] <MaBunny> But i wanted to set up another
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1247[07:28:35] <TomTomTosch> that's what the adduser tool is for.
1248[07:28:41] <MaBunny> Ok
1249[07:28:43] <TomTomTosch> but you do that after the installation.
1250[07:28:50] <MaBunny> Ok
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1265[07:37:31] <magyar> hi, I have debian jessie with backports, is ther a way to disable hdmi audio permanently, I keep loosing my soundblaster audio card, which is a pisser :(
1266[07:39:05] <jmcnaught> magyar: hello. which desktop environment or window manager do you use? are you using pulseaudio?
1267[07:39:46] <magyar> jmcnaught: i use kde and I do use pulse
1268[07:40:44] <jmcnaught> magyar: i think that kde's settings/config manager configure pulse, but have you tried using pavucontrol?
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1272[07:42:50] <r0ck_> why is screensaver in xfce 4 so god damn old?
1273[07:42:55] <magyar> jmcnaught: i do use pavucontrol, but after the latest patching, my soundblaster disappeared from pulse all together :(
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1275[07:43:42] <magyar> jmcnaught: all I have is my video card hdmi sound card
1276[07:43:53] <TomTomTosch> does it apper in aplay -l but not with the index 0 ?
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1281[07:45:01] <magyar> TomTomTosch: unfortunately it does not appear any longer
1282[07:45:12] <jmcnaught> r0ck_: it's the same age as everything else in jessie. the upstream author put a message there, it's getting dealt with: replaced-url
1283[07:45:13] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1284[07:45:25] <magyar> only the hdmi soundcard appears
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1288[07:47:08] <jmcnaught> magyar: does the soundblaster get listed by "lspci -nn | grep -i audio"? what is the pciid (looks like [1234:abcd])?
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1290[07:48:38] <jmcnaught> magyar: also are you using the oss4 drivers instead of alsa (not recommending them, just asking)
1291[07:49:01] <magyar> jmcnaught: yes it does, please see the paste url: replaced-url
1292[07:49:47] <jmcnaught> judd: pciid 1102:0004
1293[07:49:48] <judd> [1102:0004] is 'SB Audigy' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'snd-emu10k1' in jessie. See also replaced-url
1294[07:49:55] <magyar> jmcnaught: how can I check the drivers that you've mentioned ?
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1296[07:50:33] <jmcnaught> magyar: do you have the package oss4-dkms installed? (don't install it if not)
1297[07:50:51] <nevyn> magyar: what's lspci say?
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1300[07:51:12] <magyar> jmcnaught: i don't have it installed
1301[07:52:04] <jmcnaught> magyar: does "lsmod | grep snd-emu10k1" give a result?
1302[07:52:53] <magyar> jmcnaught: not any longer, but it used to
1303[07:53:18] <jmcnaught> magyar: try to modprobe that module, and check for errors in dmesg output
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1306[07:55:29] <magyar> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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1309[07:59:29] <jmcnaught> magyar: the message from judd above says the snd-emu10k1 module is out-of-tree, but the wiki link says there is a module in the mainline 2.6 kernel. what does "find /lib/modules -name emu10k1" say?
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1311[08:00:39] <babilen> magyar: Which kernel is installed and which one is running? (compare "uname -a" and "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'linux-image*'")
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1315[08:07:06] <magyar> jmcnaught: find /lib/modules -name emu10k1 << command says nothing
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1317[08:08:24] <babilen> jmcnaught: -name "*emu10k1*"
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1319[08:08:34] <babilen> err .. magyar ^
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1322[08:10:03] <jmcnaught> babilen: oh, thanks. at least for my 3.16 that command found the directory that the modules are in. not sure which kernel magyar is using
1323[08:10:13] <magyar> babilen: /lib/modules/4.4.0-0.bpo.1-amd64/kernel/drivers/input/gameport/emu10k1-gp.ko
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1325[08:10:43] <magyar> 4.3 kernel was fine
1326[08:11:16] <babilen> magyar: What does "modprobe emu10k1-gp ; dmesg|tail -n23" give you?
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1329[08:12:37] <jmcnaught> magyar: replaced-url
1330[08:12:38] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1331[08:12:45] <babilen> +1
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1334[08:13:23] <magyar> babilen: << replaced-url
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1337[08:14:06] <babilen> 1102:0004 is also not listed in "modinfo emu10k1-gp"
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1340[08:15:03] <jmcnaught> babilen: i think that module is just for the gameport, not the soundcard itself
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1342[08:15:10] <magyar> jmcnaught: no reason, 4.3 worked fine, silly me did an update :(
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1344[08:16:20] <magyar> thank you gents/ladies, I'll roll back to 4.3 for now
1345[08:16:38] <babilen> jmcnaught: Indeed :)
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1347[08:17:15] <jmcnaught> magyar: if 3.16 from jessie worked fine it might be best to simply use that
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1349[08:17:42] <magyar> jmcnaught: point taken, thank you !!!
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1354[08:18:07] <jmcnaught> magyar: you're welcome
1355[08:18:18] <magyar> going for a reboot!
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1363[08:21:27] <babilen> Sounds as if a new soundcard is needed though
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1368[08:23:36] <jmcnaught> gameport, that takes me back
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1391[08:44:02] <magyar> sound is back with 3.16.0-4-amd64
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1396[08:50:11] <babilen> \o/
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1399[08:51:46] <luxio> sound was broken?
1400[08:51:51] <luxio> i haven't any issues as of yet
1401[08:53:06] <babilen> luxio: Well, do you have a SB Audigy and are you using a backported kernel?
1402[08:53:15] <luxio> wat
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1457[09:29:36] <factor1> Where is the libqt5quick5-dev package for debian?
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1460[09:31:02] <musca> ,v libqt5quick5-dev
1461[09:31:03] <judd> No package named 'libqt5quick5-dev' was found in amd64.
1462[09:31:31] <factor1> Trying to compile dRonin quad copter application.
1463[09:31:47] <factor1> I need quick and QML for qt5 dev
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1465[09:32:39] <musca> refer to the build instructions
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1469[09:33:55] <jelly> factor1: possibly qtdeclarative5-dev
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1473[09:37:15] <jelly> (judging by "apt-cache show libqt5quick5", its Source:, "apt-cache search qt declarative dev", and "apt-cache show qtdeclarative5-dev")
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1478[09:38:05] <jmd> Which is the most useless package in stable?
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1482[09:41:35] <arahael> There are a lot of packages. We should define what we mean by "useless" in order to be able to reduce the list.
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1485[09:41:59] <DC-1> jmd: sl
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1491[09:43:43] <arahael> DC-1: I'd suggest sl-dbgsym.
1492[09:43:52] <arahael> Though, sl seems funny, at least.
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1495[09:45:59] <arahael> Damn it.
1496[09:46:04] <arahael> I typed "ls" by mistake.
1497[09:46:14] <arahael> And it showed me a list of directory entries.
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1505[09:51:50] <jmd> I think there should be a bot which displays a list of directory entries when I inadvertently type "ls" in an irc channel.
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1518[09:55:48] <MaBunny> Hey guys
1519[09:56:23] <MaBunny> So ive installed the system or in the process to do so
1520[09:57:02] <jmd> MaBunny: Congratulations.
1521[09:57:14] <MaBunny> Its in a step called "select n install software"
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1523[09:57:50] <MaBunny> Bfore tht i had successfully installed the base system n all
1524[09:58:09] <MaBunny> But in the step tht i meantioned
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1526[09:59:02] <MaBunny> It firstly goes on well,thn asks for installing desktop environ n stuff but
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1528[09:59:53] <MaBunny> After tht it shows it installing 331 softwares n thn in the end it says "failed"
1529[10:00:11] <MaBunny> I did the steps correctly,though
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1531[10:00:47] <MaBunny> And i had selected the additional softwares n the desktop environ
1532[10:01:47] <MaBunny> This thing happened to me last night too,and i remember now tht i had skipped this step and installed the grub bootloader
1533[10:01:56] <jmd> "apt-get -f install" normally fixes failed installs.
1534[10:02:03] <MaBunny> The next step
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1536[10:02:21] <MaBunny> No im in graphical install mode jmd
1537[10:02:33] <jmd> I dunno. I've never used that.
1538[10:02:52] <MaBunny> How do i put the command in graphical install mode???
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1540[10:03:23] <MaBunny> Wait there is an option: "execute a shell"
1541[10:03:25] <jmd> I think Ctrl-Alt-F1 or something normally gets you a shell.
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1543[10:03:46] <MaBunny> Yeah ok ill try tht
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1545[10:04:23] <MaBunny> Ok
1546[10:04:45] <MaBunny> So apt-get -f install doesnt work
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1548[10:05:07] <MaBunny> Apparently apt is installed yet maybe
1549[10:05:27] <MaBunny> How do i get out of this shell???
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1551[10:06:51] <MaBunny> Guys??
1552[10:08:28] <jmd> exit
1553[10:08:51] <MaBunny> Nope
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1555[10:08:59] <MaBunny> It doesnt help
1556[10:09:15] <jmd> A shell where "exit" doesn't work?
1557[10:09:21] <MaBunny> Idk
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1560[10:10:29] <MaBunny> Shit
1561[10:10:49] <Sir_Designer> MaBunny control-D?
1562[10:11:28] <MaBunny> It says its the xorg server
1563[10:11:54] <MaBunny> I typed in by pressing ctrl-alt-F1
1564[10:12:05] <jmd> Actually I did once work on a system where the sysadmin had aliased "sh1t" and a few other expletives to "exit".
1565[10:12:22] <MaBunny> Ctrl-D doesnt work
1566[10:12:37] <factor> Cool qtdeclarative5-dev was the package I needed. thanks all
1567[10:12:47] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny alt f1
1568[10:13:01] <MaBunny> Nope
1569[10:13:02] <factor> Now on to other errors. smaller at least , but will have to wait until I finish eating.
1570[10:13:22] <MaBunny> It doesnt work,alt f1
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1572[10:15:27] <TomTomTosch> or alt f5
1573[10:15:42] <MaBunny> Yeah tht worked
1574[10:15:46] <MaBunny> Thnx
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1576[10:15:59] <TomTomTosch> what exactly failed?
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1578[10:16:02] <MaBunny> Hey TomTomTosch
1579[10:16:07] <TomTomTosch> hello.
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1583[10:16:28] <MaBunny> The step called "select n install software"
1584[10:16:34] <TomTomTosch> what exactly did it say when it failed?
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1586[10:16:45] <MaBunny> Well
1587[10:17:08] <MaBunny> It said it failed,i dont remember exactly what it said
1588[10:17:23] <TomTomTosch> they do it again and tell me ;D
1589[10:17:33] <MaBunny> Ok im running tht step again ....yeah
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1591[10:17:37] <MaBunny> :)
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1593[10:18:07] <MaBunny> Ok,my family's calling,need to go
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1596[10:19:40] <sadmagic> Hi guys
1597[10:19:49] <MaBunny> Hey
1598[10:20:30] <sadmagic> Anyone care to talk about samba ? :)
1599[10:20:45] <MaBunny> Idk
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1601[10:21:05] <sadmagic> I care to talk about samba, and perhaps go into a rage about it.
1602[10:21:27] <MaBunny> Is it technical???
1603[10:21:36] <sadmagic> Namely not being about to mount a share.... and I'm pretty sure that is one of it's main use cases.
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1626[10:36:37] <gustavohmsilva> hi guys
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1628[10:37:56] <gustavohmsilva> stupid question! I'm trying to add the username frankie to the same permissions of the username james, so I'm doing it like this: $sudo usermod -aG frankie | groups james
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1630[10:38:08] <gustavohmsilva> but I think the command is not ok
1631[10:38:33] <gustavohmsilva> could someone help-me with that? is there something thats misplaced?
1632[10:39:06] <gustavohmsilva> I'm getting a list of the groups in which james is included, then a Usage usermod [options] LOGIN message
1633[10:39:16] <gustavohmsilva> kind of noob here, sorry
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1642[10:41:55] <gustavohmsilva> I mean, normally I would just re-type all the groups but I'm trying to get rid of bad habits
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1649[10:43:22] <olerem> hallo all, are there any automatic debian installer for armhf? For example for bananapi? I can du it manually, but just curious if there are ither way to do that?
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1651[10:45:24] <MaBunny> Ok guys
1652[10:45:39] <MaBunny> I was eating lunch by the way
1653[10:45:46] <olerem> gustavohmsilva: try this instead: sudo usermod -aG frankie $(groups james | cut -d " " -f 4-)
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1656[10:46:46] <MaBunny> So....its in tht window where i choose to install the debian desktop environ n standard system softwares
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1660[10:47:24] <MaBunny> Im clicking both to enabled(the tick mark) n proceeding
1661[10:47:29] <MaBunny> Ok
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1665[10:48:53] <MaBunny> Again it says failed
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1672[10:51:03] <MaBunny> It says: " An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu,or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: Select and install software."
1673[10:51:05] <vlt> Hello. I have a server running Debian that lost its network connection. I can connect to a serial console and see that everything is running fine, even networking between the vitual machines running inside via a bridge device works fine. Any idea how a) to troubleshoot this, and b) how to get something like the ethtool deb on that machine (via serial console) to check the actual device?
1674[10:51:11] <vlt> There’s nothing ethX related in syslog around the time the connection got lost.
1675[10:51:17] <MaBunny> Ok
1676[10:51:56] <MaBunny> I put it literally down as it is shown in the window in my screen now
1677[10:52:19] <MaBunny> TomTomTosch,what do you think about it???
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1682[10:54:47] <vlt> The network device is active, that is I can ping my self (and all the virtual machines via their vif devices connected to the bridge). But any ping to the server’s outside world connected to physical eth0 doesn’t get answer.
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1684[10:55:34] <MaBunny> Guys???
1685[10:56:16] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny: maybe the mirror you selected is bad. try a different one.
1686[10:56:48] <MaBunny> Ok
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1688[10:57:47] <MaBunny> Well,how can i mirror the official debian mirror in the setup
1689[10:57:59] <MaBunny> I mean ftp.debian.org
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1691[10:59:13] <TomTomTosch> the installer asks you which mirror you want to use at some point.
1692[10:59:22] <MaBunny> Yeah
1693[10:59:54] <MaBunny> But i cant find the official mirror in those lists
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1695[11:00:59] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
1696[11:01:07] <TomTomTosch> here is a list. pick one near you.
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1698[11:01:50] <MaBunny> No no,i dont want one near me
1699[11:02:03] <TomTomTosch> are you kidding?
1700[11:02:13] <MaBunny> I want the official mirror
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1702[11:02:24] <Basilic> hello all
1703[11:02:25] <TomTomTosch> that is a list of official mirrors
1704[11:02:55] <TomTomTosch> it does not matter which you pick, apt checks signatures anyway.
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1706[11:03:00] <Basilic> I have a problem with certificate on icesealsel anybody can help me?
1707[11:03:04] <MaBunny> I mean ftp.debian.org
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1709[11:03:19] <MaBunny> I want tht one
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1712[11:04:35] <MaBunny> Any help??
1713[11:04:52] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
1714[11:04:55] <slax0r> hi, I have x-replaced-url
1715[11:05:00] <slax0r> iceweasel*
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1717[11:05:25] <MaBunny> There was also an option to input wht i want manually
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1719[11:05:50] <MaBunny> But i cant understand the one about proxy
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1730[11:08:35] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny: you don't need a proxy.
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1762[11:16:49] <MaBunny> Hey guys i choosed australia mirror
1763[11:17:19] <MaBunny> So it asks for a ftp proxy
1764[11:17:32] <MaBunny> What should i do
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1768[11:17:47] <MaBunny> TomTomTosch???
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1770[11:18:54] <MaBunny> Should i leave it blank??
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1774[11:22:19] <MaBunny> Yoohoo!!! Guys???
1775[11:22:36] <MaBunny> Should i leave it blank???
1776[11:22:45] <TomTomTosch> yes. no need to yoohoo and repeat.
1777[11:23:05] <MaBunny> Ok srry for tht guys :)
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1920[12:25:42] <Exagone313> Hi, what is the best way to create a bootable usb from iso? I tried with dd but I can't boot on the usb after that, but if I mount the usb drive it seems it's copied successfully... Thanks for your help.
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1922[12:27:16] <dagerik> fdisk
1923[12:27:21] <dagerik> a
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1929[12:28:40] <Exagone313> dagerik: with what parameters?
1930[12:29:09] <dagerik> man fdisk
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1932[12:29:21] <Exagone313> maybe I'm gonna try to boot iso via grub
1933[12:29:28] <Exagone313> I don't know if it works
1934[12:29:57] <Exagone313> hmm seems bad idea
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1936[12:30:26] <Exagone313> what is the good tool to copy iso on usb, maybe with syslinux of fat32?
1937[12:30:57] <grawity> is it an isohybrid iso, or a cd-only iso?
1938[12:32:11] <Exagone313> I think it's hybrid
1939[12:32:52] <grawity> then you really should be able to just `dd`/`cp`/`pv` it straight to the USB
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1943[12:33:49] <Exagone313> cp /path/foo.iso /dev/sdX ?
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1966[12:40:05] <Exagone313> grawity: hmm it didn't seem to work, the iso sizes 2GB and finally my USB has two partition 247M and 416K
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1968[12:40:47] <Exagone313> I'm gonna try
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2011[13:06:58] <Amun_Ra> Exagone313: even cat
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2019[13:12:35] <benjr> how come when i check top i sometimes see programs using more then 100% cpu?
2020[13:12:45] <benjr> how can anything use more than 100%?
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2024[13:14:39] <TomTomTosch> it's just an approximation.
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2027[13:15:29] <benjr> i just caught something that said it was using 279%, seems to be pretty far off for an approximation
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2038[13:22:16] <azswa> hi, anyone familiar with debugfs? everytime I try to list deleted inodes with lsdel, I get 0 inodes found. The filesystem is ext4. I am on deb 8.3
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2045[13:23:45] <hexnewbie> benjr: Programs can use more than 100% CPU if they have multiple threads and they are using more than one CPU. Also, it depends on the tool you're using. Linux doesn't expose percentages, but CPU time, so if the the tool is miscalculating the time during polling, it can be way off.
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2165[14:16:44] <ewew> Hi. Did someone try to change sysrq parameter via pam_exec.so ?
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2171[14:18:21] <abrotman> !ask
2172[14:18:21] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2179[14:22:09] <tjcarter> Can I ask if I can ask if I can ask if I can ask a ... oh nevermind. :D
2180[14:22:35] <ewew> ok. I trying to change the sysrq parameter via pam_exec.so. The problem is that it passes but the value does not change. I haved tried it with seteuid but no luck. The command is /bin/echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq.
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2182[14:24:31] <Ghostbird> (I can't access #debian-next, but this applies to testing): After an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, my Iceweasel seems to have been replaced by Firefox, but this was not shown in the list-changes. Is this expected?
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2185[14:26:03] <ewew> Ghostbird #debian-next is on oftc network.
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2190[14:27:53] <M4GNV5> so i just bought my new pc and plugged my raspi usb wlan stick in (RTL8188CUS) i followed the (one) instruction on the debian wiki and installed firmware-realtek and the wlan generally works. However my router (frtz.box 7272) says its bitrate is 1-3MBit/s and download speeds vary from 400byte/s to 80kByte/s i tried different approaches from google (mainly replaced-url
2191[14:27:53] <M4GNV5> ae-realtek-wireless-driver) however as a comment suggest thats not working anymore for newer kernel versions and the github user he provided has no repo for my wlan stick (8188cuus). Can someone tell me how to fix the slow speed so i can carry on installing drivers for my graphics card etc.?
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2193[14:28:32] <Ghostbird> ewew: I feel dumb. Thanks!
2194[14:28:47] <ewew> Ghostbird np. we are here to help.
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2200[14:31:33] <p0g0> M4GNV5: Try different channels, or move the two devices closer- those may help (or not).
2201[14:31:35] <teraflops> M4GNV5: apart from the fact that those devices sucks. Did you try just switching the channel in the ap/router till you find the one that suits better
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2206[14:33:54] <M4GNV5> well my laptop is right next to the pc and has isp max speed (350kb/s) so i thought its an issue with the driver not the connection?
2207[14:34:03] <M4GNV5> also a screenshot from my firtz.box: replaced-url
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2212[14:34:47] <p0g0> M4GNV5: oddly, one can be too close too, for some devices-the ACKs happen too fast for the media. Not likely tho.
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2221[14:37:11] <gr8> look what xscreensaver is telling me :-/ "This version of xscreensaver is VERY OLD! Please upgrade! (If this is the latest version that your distro ships, then your distro is doing you a disservice. Build from source.)
2222[14:37:25] <gr8> should I feel offended by that?
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2235[14:41:17] <jonathan_zz> why would you
2236[14:41:19] <avis-> i'm running debian jessie. i've googled and could not find a thorough and exact answer on whats needed to play blueray on debian jessie. can anyone help ?
2237[14:41:48] <avis-> \0
2238[14:42:04] <jonathan_zz> probably upgrade to ubuntu LOL
2239[14:42:08] <jonathan_zz> sorry haha
2240[14:42:11] <gr8> avis-: forget it. I'm a noob but I think it's not really possible
2241[14:42:15] <avis-> debians much lighter
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2244[14:42:41] <avis-> ouch
2245[14:42:49] <jonathan_zz> blueray might not be possible in linux in any case. I'm not sure.
2246[14:42:58] <avis-> thanks
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2248[14:43:07] <jonathan_zz> mostly concerning hdcp probably.
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2250[14:43:37] <jonathan_zz> I guess his house was on fire and he needed leave :-/.
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2252[14:43:44] <jonathan_zz> to leave.
2253[14:43:51] <gr8> lol
2254[14:43:54] <gr8> who knows
2255[14:44:01] <gr8> his problem
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2257[14:45:12] <wsirccc__> can anybody help with discussing preseed scenarios?
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2268[14:48:15] <xorond> avis do you mean a bluray video downloaded from torrent?
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2274[14:49:37] <gr8> yeah you can watch the illegal video material but not the legal one. Linux is an OS for criminals
2275[14:49:51] <xorond> gr8 you can watch blueray on linux
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2278[14:50:02] <xorond> im talking about the disk
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2280[14:50:19] <xorond> i just asked to clarify
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2282[14:50:37] <gr8> then tell us how
2283[14:50:42] <r6ku> gr8: google it
2284[14:50:43] <xorond> avis-, is it a blueray disk or a torrented file?
2285[14:50:49] <xorond> r6ku +1
2286[14:51:24] <xorond> oh he's gone nvm
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2288[14:52:56] <Delf> How does the "defauts" go on about to get "decided(agreed)?" upon? For example the default cursor :P
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2292[14:53:45] <xorond> Delf, default cursor on what?
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2294[14:54:10] <Delf> I don't mind adwaita cursor.
2295[14:54:15] <Delf> xorond: Gnome
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2299[14:55:06] <tjcarter> gr8: Simply put, the MPAA and other industry types intentionally want to make it difficult and illegal even to watch legal videos on legally purchased disks without their permission. As such, it's much easier to watch the files after their BS garbage that is actually ILLEGAL TO TAMPER WITH in many countries is removed.
2300[14:55:24] <tjcarter> gr8: It's actually illegal for ME to tell YOU how to do it.
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2302[14:55:51] <tjcarter> But as has been noted, the information for how it's done is out there.
2303[14:55:54] <gr8> is it legal for me to do it then?
2304[14:56:03] <tjcarter> Actually, no.
2305[14:56:07] <gr8> see
2306[14:56:19] <gr8> watchin illegal stuff is legal. logic reversed
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2308[14:56:32] <tjcarter> Not so.
2309[14:56:55] <gr8> however xD Bluray sucks
2310[14:56:59] <tjcarter> Watching stuff that is not encumbered by DRM is legal. Watching stuff that was illegally made unencumbered is still illegal.
2311[14:57:04] <Delf> Not sure if the cursor size is relative to the resolution. Meaning it grows as the resolution grows, that way it's easier to maintain a desired "size" across multiple resolutions, for clarity of course.
2312[14:57:30] <xorond> Delf, I have different cursor sizes on different screens
2313[14:57:37] <tjcarter> However, I don't have to ask you if your unencumbered videos are legal to tell you how to play them. If you tell me they are, I can't help you.
2314[14:57:46] <tjcarter> (because that's contributory infringement)
2315[14:57:48] <xorond> tjcarter, dont feed the trolls please
2316[14:58:11] <Delf> xorond: Different speeds/acceleration settings too?
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2318[14:58:39] <xorond> Delf, nope.
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2320[14:58:50] <xorond> Delf, speed and acc stays the same for me
2321[14:59:19] <r6ku> Delf: the defaults for gnome are decided by the gnome devs
2322[14:59:40] <tjcarter> Delf: Imagining that X11 could ever be so logical or sensical is probably a foolish dream. ;)
2323[14:59:44] <Delf> Debian doesn't get to make modifications?
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2326[15:00:14] <tjcarter> Branden often used to say X11 was only the second worst windowing system ever invented. :)
2327[15:00:15] <Delf> tjcarter: Foolish dreams… is what I'm programmed to have :)
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2329[15:00:30] <Delf> What would be the first?
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2331[15:00:44] <r6ku> Delf: nothing stopping distributions from making changes if they want to
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2333[15:01:40] <Delf> See there's this thing called "looking good" and it's sometimes preferred above "clarity".
2334[15:02:07] <tjcarter> Delf: replaced-url
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2337[15:02:28] <r6ku> Delf: if you're looking for saner defaults, then maybe gnome isn't what you're looking for
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2339[15:02:42] * tjcarter is a fan of XFCE :)
2340[15:02:45] <Delf> r6ku: Any suggestions? :)
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2343[15:02:50] <r6ku> Delf: although you can tweak the settings in gnome to some extent
2344[15:03:24] <tjcarter> It generally behaves more like you expect.
2345[15:03:25] <Delf> I'm a fan of "configurable" stuff… and stuff that doesn't take an expert just to make small yet very magnified and overrated changes :D
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2347[15:04:16] <armin> x is awesome. it worked for me for such a long time and i had so much fun using it.
2348[15:04:31] * xorond is a fan of i3
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2350[15:04:35] <Delf> r6ku: Of course, I've changed the gtk theme and the cursor :)
2351[15:04:42] * armin too
2352[15:04:52] <Delf> i3?
2353[15:04:55] <armin> i3.
2354[15:05:02] <tjcarter> armin: there's always one...
2355[15:05:02] <xorond> Delf, i3wm.org
2356[15:05:26] * armin actually wrote a script that shows a set of color schemes for Xresources (xrdb) via an ncurses like dialog interface so you can just select a color scheme for your terminal emulator.
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2358[15:05:40] <armin> works quite well
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2360[15:05:54] <tjcarter> looks like one of those minimalist tiling WMs
2361[15:05:58] <xorond> tjcarter, it is
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2363[15:06:07] <armin> tjcarter: it is. and it's great fun to use.
2364[15:06:20] <tjcarter> Doesn't suit me well
2365[15:06:26] <armin> why so?
2366[15:06:27] <xorond> tjcarter, everyone has their needs
2367[15:06:41] <armin> replaced-url
2368[15:06:45] <armin> that's an i3 screenshot of mine.
2369[15:06:47] <armin> i love to use it.
2370[15:06:50] <tjcarter> armin: legally blind. I tend to use lots of full-screen windows with big contents
2371[15:07:08] <tjcarter> armin: namely, two shells with tmux's and a web browser most of the time.
2372[15:07:11] <armin> tjcarter: especially then you should consider something like that.
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2374[15:07:31] <avis-> i have one other question on debian jessie. i have some icons from elementary linux, but my previous distro allowed me to mark them as different colored. now with debian jessie and some old config file and caja in my file manager i see black sheet like documents instead of colored icons. in fact, there is only one colored icon that matches my icon set i think is Templates.
2375[15:07:51] <armin> tjcarter: you can easily change all fonts, and you could use rxvt-unicode with a font-size perl script so you can just increase/decrease the fonts all the time while you work via ctrl-- / ctrl-+
2376[15:07:59] <tjcarter> armin: I'm using a 91x37 terminal window right now. It's full screen.
2377[15:08:15] <armin> tjcarter: i work with huge fonts in terminals all the time.
2378[15:08:15] <tjcarter> Could be 91x39 if not for window deorations and a taskbar
2379[15:08:34] * Delf has gnome with "drop-down-terminal" and tmux
2380[15:08:51] <armin> tjcarter: well you can very easily change the font of i3.
2381[15:09:00] <tjcarter> There's another great reason for me to go nowhere near Gnome 3.
2382[15:09:05] <tjcarter> I'm typing on a RPi.
2383[15:09:26] <tjcarter> 1GB RAM and by default no real swap running from a microSD
2384[15:09:37] <xorond> tjcarter, i3 would work beautifully on an RPi as its runs very light
2385[15:09:38] <armin> i3 is one of the most lightweight WMs you could use.
2386[15:09:44] <xorond> armin, jinx
2387[15:10:00] <tjcarter> i3 is very small, it's truee
2388[15:10:09] <r6ku> Delf: there's xfce and kde, i3 is arguably better for your workflow but takes a bit more effort to setup
2389[15:10:12] <armin> tjcarter: i guess it will be a bit hard to set up initially if you're visually impaired, but i'm very happy to help you if you pm me.
2390[15:10:28] <armin> tjcarter: also if you need to weak something or so.
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2392[15:10:32] <tjcarter> armin: I've been doing this a few decades.
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2394[15:11:08] <Delf> r6ku: My work flow. I wish. I don't have any work and theres sure as hell no flow either :P Not a programmer of any sort. I like computers a lot but I'm not good with them and they're not my primary interest.
2395[15:11:11] <tjcarter> back when Slashdot not only wasn't total crap, but before it had accounts.
2396[15:11:21] <armin> tjcarter: i just try to offer you some help with that, if there's something you want to try out, but run into limitations because you just can't read anything, i'm interested in what the inital things are you run into.
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2398[15:11:53] <tjcarter> armin: The issue is that tiling is not an ideal way for me to do much of anything.
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2400[15:12:07] <armin> tjcarter: okay.
2401[15:12:28] <tjcarter> I'm a one-window fullscreen sort of person unless I'm doing something with, say, graphics tools
2402[15:12:40] <xorond> armin, do you also run archlinux?
2403[15:12:43] <tjcarter> GIMP kinda can't do one window, etc.
2404[15:13:12] <tjcarter> The other thing is that for GUI things I tend to zoom in the screen
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2406[15:13:20] <r6ku> Delf: xfce is more modular and lightweight, kde is a fullblown DE like gnome, both are very configurable
2407[15:13:28] <tjcarter> xfwm4, Gnome 3, and Compiz are pretty much my only choices for that really
2408[15:13:35] <tjcarter> (maybe kwm can do it?)
2409[15:13:40] <armin> xorond: i did for years, but somewhen i noticed it was a bit too unstable for my needs.
2410[15:13:42] <xorond> tjcarter, kwm is deprecated
2411[15:13:59] <r6ku> Delf: me neither, the nice thing about tiling window managers like i3 is that you don't have the problem of moving around multiple windows with your mouse
2412[15:14:00] <tjcarter> What does KDE use now?
2413[15:14:03] <xorond> armin, ah I see
2414[15:14:08] <armin> xorond: i run fedora with kde on an x220 right now.
2415[15:14:16] <xorond> tjcarter, kwin
2416[15:14:17] <armin> xorond: which is also not stable enough for my needs.
2417[15:14:22] <Delf> r6ku: If memory serves, kde is more configurable than gnome. I've used xfce before, I like it a lot because it's lightweight and modular of course :D
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2419[15:14:30] <tjcarter> xorond: ah, it was kwin that does compositing.
2420[15:14:45] <armin> xorond: i'm eventually going to replace this with a kali linux installation soon, since i love to build customized kali iso images just for fun.
2421[15:15:03] <tjcarter> X11 doesn't really allow smooth scaling of the whole screen unless the WM is a compositing type.
2422[15:15:14] <xorond> armin, I did install kali on my laptop, but it didn't suit my needs well
2423[15:15:28] <xorond> now instead i use arch with a custom repo for security stuff
2424[15:15:32] <armin> xorond: i've been running debian lately for almost 10 years now, but i wasn't all too satisfied with some hopelessly outdated packages.
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2426[15:15:46] <xorond> armin, I get that feeling :)
2427[15:16:00] <armin> xorond: what annoyed you? the additional entries in the menus?
2428[15:16:25] <armin> well systemd and kde are the biggest show stoppers for me right now.
2429[15:16:31] <xorond> armin, mostly the NVIDIA drivers and all the bloatware
2430[15:16:37] <armin> i get hanging reboots on ALL of my systems, no matter the distribution, with systemd.
2431[15:16:45] <xorond> armin, even with kali light it still has the nvidia issues
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2434[15:17:14] <armin> xorond: ah, see, i moved to x220's exclusively many many years ago because i couldn't stand the nvidia/ati fubar anymore.
2435[15:17:26] <xorond> haha :)
2436[15:17:41] <armin> xorond: i think i only used x220's for 5 years now.
2437[15:17:49] <xorond> armin, it was much easier to install the drivers on arch because I knew what was on my system
2438[15:17:53] <r6ku> Delf: same here, xfce is my goto DE, my computer is too slow for kde :/
2439[15:18:04] <xorond> but on kali you don't exactly know what's on it all the time
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2441[15:18:16] <armin> xorond: this machine here is actually built from spare parts i had lying around. i5, 16gb ram, 1tb ssd, 256 additional ssd, new keyboard, new battery, works absolutely fine.
2442[15:18:25] <tjcarter> systemd could be so cool. It winds up not being, but it could be.
2443[15:18:38] <xorond> armin, that's some nice ram ^^
2444[15:18:39] <Delf> r6ku: Do you take donations? :)
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2448[15:19:04] <armin> xorond: the machines case is almost falling apart
2449[15:19:08] <xorond> armin, are you a kali dev?
2450[15:19:10] <armin> xorond: but works 100% fine
2451[15:19:17] <armin> xorond: no, i just use it.
2452[15:19:32] <r6ku> Delf: nah, I just like to help :)
2453[15:19:34] <xorond> ah, i thought that because of the custom iso thing armin
2454[15:19:53] <armin> xorond: ah, well, they have this here: git://git.kali.org/live-build-config.git
2455[15:20:13] <Delf> r6ku: Well, you could help me "get rid" of a few computer parts, if you don't mind :P Do you use stationary or laptop?
2456[15:20:19] <armin> xorond: and there's a build.sh script and you can easily modify some files to include/exclude packages or even files you want to be present in the file system.
2457[15:20:29] <armin> xorond: it's quite useful.
2458[15:20:33] <tjcarter> I may have to get a new key in a Debian keyring. netatalk in Debian is _sad_.
2459[15:20:34] <xorond> armin,TIL kali has a build script
2460[15:20:41] <tjcarter> It needs someone to make it happy :)
2461[15:21:09] <r6ku> Delf: I'm not a recycling center :p
2462[15:21:23] * tjcarter poked at policy, fair bit's changed in a dozen or so years, but meh.
2463[15:21:29] <wewlad> hello debs, how do I put ssh_agent to get executed at the start of the system so that I would need to write-in passphrase only once per whole PC session?
2464[15:21:30] <Delf> r6ku: No strings and/or subtle obligations attached :)
2465[15:21:40] <armin> xorond: i just use that A LOT, for almost anything, bootstrapping systems, debugging, admin work, hacking, live environments, but of course also for initial installation of systems.
2466[15:22:08] <xorond> armin, why kali? i get the hacking bit but for what else?
2467[15:22:19] <r6ku> Delf: give them to your relatives or friends, that's how I've dealt with old unused hardware
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2469[15:22:39] <xorond> Because in my opinion it's not a distro you install on your machine unless you are a pentester and its your work machine
2470[15:22:52] <xorond> It's something to run off of a liveusb imo
2471[15:23:09] <armin> xorond: it's a pretty decent distro, that's it. i love to use it because i get a recent kernel, rolling release, it's based on debian, the maintainers do a very good job and produce sane code, and services are never started just because i install a package.
2472[15:23:20] <Delf> r6ku: I donated a computer to mom when I got multi-seat working on my other computer :) And all of my friends have far better hardware than I have :) Most of the hardware I have is donated to me :P
2473[15:23:35] <armin> xorond: i can easily remove the hacking tools if i would actually want.
2474[15:23:40] <xorond> armin, I see
2475[15:23:56] <tjcarter> 'course the problem with netatalk is that I need the features of netatalk 2, and I don't really need the features of netatalk 3. But I can at least make netatalk 2 work, netatalk 3 work, and make them conflict/replace each other so you can pick one. :P
2476[15:24:28] <Delf> r6ku: I've ordered an socket 771 motherboard. When I get it to work, I have no more need for my current motherboard (asus commando with xeon bios mod).
2477[15:24:40] <tjcarter> Eventually if I can get their databases to work together, I'll pull the non-DDP ethernet out of netatalk 2 and make the two install in parallel.
2478[15:24:45] <armin> xorond: i would not use gnome it ships with anyways and just go with something lightweight i throw together, so while i'm at customizing my environments, why not also build cool live iso images i can easily put on a usb stick with that while i'm at it?
2479[15:25:08] <xorond> armin, thats really cool
2480[15:25:19] <xorond> maybe you would want to look into archstrike as well
2481[15:25:33] <armin> xorond: it's easy to do and great fun. eventually i'd just include an encrypted ssh private key i can ssh into some of my boxes into.
2482[15:25:45] <armin> xorond: never heard of it, i'll check it out. thank you!
2483[15:25:55] <xorond> armin, np ^^
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2485[15:26:16] <armin> s/into\./with\./
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2487[15:26:35] <xorond> armin, yeah i was gonna do that ^^
2488[15:26:47] <r6ku> Delf: thanks, but no thanks :)
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2494[15:28:23] <xorond> ugh, dpkg taking so long
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2496[15:29:35] <Delf> r6ku: You're welcome! :D
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2512[15:33:08] <saunamees> Hi I am trying to build a small private cloud ( up to 24 nodes) . What cloud software alternatives I should consider ? Everywhere I look I just see - Use openstack.
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2514[15:33:57] <xorond> saunamees, owncloud?
2515[15:34:44] <saunamees> Owncloud is just for filesystem, no ?
2516[15:35:07] <xorond> replaced-url
2517[15:35:17] <saunamees> I mostly need computing instances
2518[15:35:24] <armin> since someone asked me for this some time ago: this is the xtheme script i wrote, to choose xresources terminal color schemes on the fly: replaced-url
2519[15:35:25] <xorond> hmm
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2521[15:35:51] <themill> maybe describe what you need without buzzwords but in terms of things that are implementable
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2525[15:36:58] <saunamees> Yeah, owncloud does not work for me. I need to build a small private cloud, where I mostly give out vm-s for others to use.
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2527[15:37:19] <saunamees> like a class where each student gets their own virtual machine.
2528[15:37:20] <teraflops> saunamees: proxmoxVE
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2530[15:38:32] <Mathisen> saunamees, replaced-url
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2534[15:40:23] <saunamees> Oh yes, these are good.
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2556[15:52:22] <bumbar> with static ip i can just change address (and mask, gateway) in interfaces, reload networking and new ip address should be in effect?
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2591[16:10:15] <Walakea> what can cause my HDD to go 8 °C hotter that usual while doing the same things i always do?
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2601[16:16:30] <cisc> A day 8 °C hotter than usual
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2604[16:18:29] <Walakea> it started some time after i installed gnome-power-manager but remains even after uninstall and reboot
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2608[16:19:41] <teraflops> ^
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2610[16:20:56] <teraflops> Walakea: unless you live inside a bunker or under a mountain I guess cisc had a point :P
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2614[16:22:44] <cisc> Walakea: maybe faulty temp sensor inside the HDD
2615[16:23:00] <Walakea> i have a laptop and i can feel it is hotter
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2618[16:23:42] <Walakea> this happeden few times in the past but i still dont know what causes it
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2622[16:24:04] <teraflops> Walakea: hmm, some update of related packages as in linux-image or similar?
2623[16:24:34] <cisc> Walakea: you can always run another distro off a live USB key and see if you get he sam behaviour
2624[16:24:35] <saunamees> Maybe looking at what exactly uses a lot of cpu might give a clue ?
2625[16:24:45] <saunamees> use a command like top or something.
2626[16:24:57] <saunamees> Would be nice to see what you had before and what you have now.
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2629[16:25:30] <Walakea> i am running debian stable only, for about half a year
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2631[16:26:16] <saunamees> I am not sure what gnome-power-manager does, but what if it changed the fan speed to save power -> cpu is less cooled -> it get hotter ?
2632[16:26:58] <teraflops> Walakea: yeah take a look at hdparm
2633[16:27:09] <Walakea> that tool is for monitoring battery
2634[16:27:17] <teraflops> hdparm?
2635[16:27:19] <Walakea> also i should mention i am using hdparm
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2640[16:28:08] <Walakea> i always set -B 200 on startup, because the laptop uses to park / unpark the heads very frequently with default settings
2641[16:29:12] <teraflops> Walakea: yeah and it's annoying
2642[16:29:13] <saunamees> cisc suggested a good idea, have you tried that ?
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2645[16:29:32] <Walakea> i dont have time for a live distro
2646[16:29:45] <Walakea> part of the reason i chose debian stable
2647[16:30:05] <saunamees> are you 100 % certain it is software issue ?
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2650[16:31:27] <Walakea> i know external temperature will influence HDD temp. but currently there is really no reson for it to be that high
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2654[16:32:34] <TomTomTosch> how high is high? and what's your room temp?
2655[16:32:52] <Walakea> but i really dont know what can influence the temp. i mean the HDD is running at full speed all the time
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2657[16:33:44] <Walakea> usually the temp is 30 - 32
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2659[16:33:58] <Walakea> now it is 38 - 39
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2662[16:34:14] <NYTimes> i just took a debian server but what is the root password ?
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2695[16:55:07] <Mathisen> NYTimes, ?
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2699[16:56:47] <NYTimes> Mathisen: yes
2700[16:57:15] <NYTimes> Mathisen: its allright the root has no password
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2705[16:59:01] <transhuman> hi is cp -R dumb enough to recursively copy into its own directory over and over again ?
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2710[17:00:26] <transhuman> seems like its taking a long time to do a large copy so I am worried
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2716[17:04:26] <Sir_Designer> transhuman what exact syntax did you issue
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2719[17:05:25] <jelly> transhuman: cp: cannot copy a directory, ‘a’, into itself, ‘a/e/a’
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2723[17:07:26] <TxGVNN> hi everyone, What does priority mean in update-alternatives?
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2727[17:09:35] <transhuman> ok thanks jelly Sir_Designer
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2729[17:09:44] <transhuman> just checking getting nervous
2730[17:10:06] <transhuman> cp -R /path when path contains a sub path with current directory
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2732[17:10:39] <transhuman> trying to move files up one level basically
2733[17:10:42] <transhuman> thanks
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2746[17:16:27] <jelly> TxGVNN: highest priority gets chosen in auto mode
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2748[17:17:27] <TxGVNN> jelly: Oh, Yep, how to change priority of it?
2749[17:17:37] <transhuman> can anyone tell me why the guests networking would have such poor packet delay and loss when using virtualbricks? If I can't resolve it it will be a show stopper using it on my xen/kvm live cd I am designing. Thanks in advance
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2752[17:18:02] <jelly> TxGVNN: you'd have to remove the alternative and add it again with a different priority
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2758[17:19:09] <jelly> TxGVNN: this is only relevant from a package developer point, since as user you'll probably just pick your favorite with manual mode
2759[17:19:27] <TxGVNN> jelly: Ok ok. Thank you very much!
2760[17:19:43] <transhuman> oh crap have to run out for 10 minutes be back in a few to see responses... thanks in advance
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2849[18:01:19] <rakmaq> Hi. I face a problem with a deb package. If I install the deb package foo with dpkg it works fine, but the next time I try to install an application using "apt-get install" it complains that I have to run "apt-get install -f". If I do this it will get the latest version of foo from debian's repositories. I tried pinning the version of foo by using "apt-mark hold foo", but that didn't seem to fix the problem. Does anyone have an idea how I might fix this?
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2866[18:08:08] <awal1> rakmaq, which debian branch?
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2869[18:08:40] <rakmaq> I am using Debian Jessie. Raspbian Jessie to be precise.
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2878[18:10:18] <awal1> dpkg: Raspbian
2879[18:10:19] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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2881[18:10:48] <rakmaq> Hmmm... ok. Fair enough.
2882[18:11:21] <awal1> rakmaq, seems that there is a channel for raspbian , check it
2883[18:11:25] <transhuman> hi disregarding my last question for a few moments a more pressing question, scripting an install right now, its a long series of apt-get commands and others a few of the packages produce text outputs that require a (q ) to be entered in order to continue with install and others require a menu selection of options (is there a way to preselect one of these options so that one isn't prompted during install? one is for wire
2884[18:11:25] <transhuman> shark the other not sure but its just a text file prompt of package info
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2886[18:11:45] <rakmaq> awal1: will do. thanks.
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2889[18:12:35] <rakmaq> transhuman: which commands specifically require user input?
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2891[18:13:30] <transhuman> apt-get install wireshark i think and the other not sure at this point but it has a text file notificiation of information that you enter a q for continued apt-get install execution
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2893[18:13:54] <transhuman> not sure what the second package is though
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2896[18:15:13] <rakmaq> you might want to try "apt-get install -y wireshark"
2897[18:15:52] <transhuman> tried that still prompts
2898[18:16:00] <transhuman> gives a menu
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2901[18:16:26] <transhuman> have to look at it again for more specifics will come back when I have more details
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2905[18:16:52] <rakmaq> ok
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2960[18:54:53] <travis_> yo I downloaded this program from github called cool-retro-term and its sweet... how can I create a launcher for it in gnome so I dont have to open it in terminal with ./
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2963[18:56:53] <teraflops> travis_: replaced-url
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2967[18:58:43] <travis_> i cant get that page to load -_-
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2969[18:59:01] <travis_> nvm
2970[18:59:03] <teraflops> weird
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2979[19:00:53] <travis_> do i cp /home/xxxxxx.desktop /usr/share/applications
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2981[19:01:23] <g105b> Is there some way I can remove/toggle the File,Edit,View menu from all applications?
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2989[19:03:59] <travis_> I did sudo cp /home/travis/cool-retro-term/cool-retro-term.desktop /usr/share/applications but I still can't open it from gnome app menu
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3000[19:11:15] <BinBasher> is anyone using metasploit? How do I get the module database cache to build automatically?
3001[19:11:33] <vlt> Hello. A server running Debian had lost its network connection. I could connect to a serial console and see that everything was running fine, even networking between virtual machines running inside via a bridge device worked fine. There was nothing ethX related in any logfile. Neither re-plugging the network cable nor power-cycling the network switch helped.
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3003[19:11:39] <vlt> I had to reboot the machine.
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3005[19:11:54] <vlt> Any idea what could have caused and and how to prevent this?
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3062[19:37:35] <jonathan_zz> vlt: personally I have only had it happen to due a bad route due to a VPN that pushed its route (redirect-gateway def1) to it.
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3072[19:40:39] <mon> hi. i want to run this command: apt-get install libhtml-scrubber-perl libjson-rpc-perl libdaemon-generic-perl but i got error msg like this: E: Unable to locate package libdaemon-generic-perl
3073[19:40:49] <mon> how to fix this?
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3076[19:41:33] <teraflops> ,v libdaemon-generic-perl
3077[19:41:34] <judd> Package: libdaemon-generic-perl on amd64 -- sid: 0.84-1; stretch: 0.84-1
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3079[19:41:59] <mon> teraflops : err ... what about that?
3080[19:42:00] <teraflops> mon: are you on jessie?
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3082[19:42:42] <mon> yes. Jessie
3083[19:42:52] <teraflops> then re-read it again :P
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3091[19:43:34] <mon> errrr ...
3092[19:44:10] <mon> sorry. not an expert . can u guide me?
3093[19:44:18] <teraflops> mon: sorry I don't get you. for the sake of clarity: there's no libdaemon-generic-perl in jessie
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3095[19:44:38] <mon> ah. so i can't install bugzilla on Jessie?
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3097[19:44:48] <mon> one of the bugzilla requirement is that thing.
3098[19:44:51] <mon> sigh :(
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3102[19:46:03] <donnoc> Hello my friends :) ... is it really a bad idea to change the hostname on a running server?
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3105[19:46:50] <ZorroT> donnoc: generally it's fine.
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3107[19:47:08] <ZorroT> donnoc: you may have to restart things like avahi to get the changes to stick.
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3109[19:47:24] <ZorroT> er to take
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3116[19:47:55] <donnoc> Zerant: thanks. just to be shure. I only have to chage /etc/hostname and /etc/hosty, right?
3117[19:47:57] <mon> any advice?
3118[19:47:58] <teraflops> donnoc: not really but you can get annoying warnings like cannot resolve whatever (host), it will resolve though
3119[19:48:07] <teraflops> mon: sorry not here
3120[19:48:14] <mon> ok thanks teraflops
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3122[19:48:49] <teraflops> donnoc: you mean /etc/hosts right?
3123[19:49:05] <donnoc> teraflops: sorry, yes that's what I ment
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3125[19:49:18] <ZorroT> anyone know anything about setting isolating features on different network interfaces?
3126[19:49:20] <markybob> donnoc: replaced-url
3127[19:49:35] <ZorroT> eg, being able to run hostapd on one side, and connect to a router on the other?
3128[19:49:40] <ZorroT> er router/modem
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3130[19:50:56] <donnoc> markybob: I would change hostname and hosty and restart the server afterwords. so I don't have to restart every prozess. Isn't that enought?
3131[19:51:15] <teraflops> hmm that wiki entry does not mention hostnamectl
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3135[19:52:39] <donnoc> ok, I think i will not change the hostname xD
3136[19:52:52] <donnoc> seemt like too many things can go wrong
3137[19:52:56] <KaffeeJunky123> MTP is giving me trouble on Debian stable, trying to transfer files with special characters through nautilus breaks the connection. I'll have to replug the device to be able to access it again.
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3141[19:53:39] <KaffeeJunky123> From rhythmbox however I can transfer these files, but the connection dies after some time
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3148[19:55:42] <teraflops> donnoc: `sudo hostnamectl set-hostname new-hostname` logout and login again worked fine _here_.
3149[19:56:14] <markybob> and restart all services or reboot
3150[19:56:32] <markybob> just my opinion
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3152[19:56:35] <teraflops> markybob: ah
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3161[20:00:31] <teraflops> hmm I've tried several times to get a working account for editing debian wiki with no success :S
3162[20:00:33] <donnoc> teraflops: hmm ... I worry after the stuff I read before xD maybe I will try it tomorrow
3163[20:00:50] <teraflops> donnoc: fair enough, just saying
3164[20:01:34] <markybob> teraflops: hrm. i didn't have any problem. maybe #debian-replaced-url
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3166[20:01:56] <teraflops> markybob: lucky you, when did you setup your account?
3167[20:02:14] <markybob> teraflops: long time ago :P don't even remember
3168[20:02:17] <teraflops> ah
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3171[20:03:35] <donnoc> teraflops: thank you :)
3172[20:03:39] <teraflops> donnoc: np
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3280[20:46:15] <Walakea> is it possible to fully automate package creating proccess?
3281[20:46:40] <grawity> as in, creating .deb out of the debian/* files?
3282[20:46:45] <markybob> not properly
3283[20:46:57] <markybob> you can use something like alien to convert rpms for example
3284[20:46:59] <grawity> or as in creating the debian/* files out of something else
3285[20:47:01] <Walakea> from source
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3288[20:47:39] <Walakea> creating .deb from makefiles
3289[20:47:45] <Walakea> for example
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3293[20:47:58] <TomTomTosch> for convenience? there is checkinstall.
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3297[20:49:16] <TomTomTosch> but that's to be able to easily remove it, if that is what you are after.
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3300[20:50:09] <Walakea> mostly
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3334[21:03:44] <sine0> is arping a common tool found on alot of boxes ?
3335[21:04:00] <dioz> no
3336[21:04:25] <dioz> ore common would be pinging the broadcast
3337[21:04:32] <dioz> :s/ore/more/
3338[21:05:08] <dioz> IE. assuming my lan is 192.168.0.0/24
3339[21:05:15] <dioz> i'd ping 192.168.0.255
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3343[21:06:02] <dioz> that's assuming the machines you're network discoverying don't block icmp
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3345[21:06:43] <sine0> yea im trying to think non ping ways
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3350[21:08:32] <dioz> i'd say arping would be as common to find on a system as nmap
3351[21:08:35] <dioz> *shrug*
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3353[21:08:40] <sine0> k
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3359[21:09:32] <markybob> dioz: how is arp not common? it's default on debian
3360[21:09:56] <dioz> i believe the specific binary he's asking about is _arping_
3361[21:10:19] <dioz> replaced-url
3362[21:10:23] <markybob> i see
3363[21:10:24] <sine0> im wondering about host discovery without nmap on hosts that refuse to respond ping
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3365[21:10:40] <dioz> markybob: stop talking out your ass you're just confusing things
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3368[21:11:47] <dioz> OpenBSD eve1.localdomain 5.9 GENERIC#1761 amd64
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3371[21:12:00] <markybob> dioz: no, arping is default too
3372[21:12:15] <markybob> heh
3373[21:12:32] <markybob> another /ignore
3374[21:12:34] <dioz> doesn't seem to be default install on openbsd
3375[21:12:36] <dioz> lets check fbsd
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3378[21:12:58] <dioz> lets check cent and suse after
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3382[21:13:45] <dioz> oh look it's common on 1 of the 5 virtual machines i have up
3383[21:13:49] <dioz> so VERY common
3384[21:13:54] <dioz> ^5 markybob
3385[21:14:22] * TomTomTosch checks which channel he is in
3386[21:14:44] <dioz> TomTomTosch: regardless the channel that wasn't his question
3387[21:14:54] <dioz> lets break down the line of text for a second
3388[21:15:10] <dioz> 13:03 < sine0> is arping a common tool found on alot of boxes ?
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3392[21:16:20] <dioz> minus the fact "a lot" is spelled incorrect
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3394[21:17:00] <dioz> seems pretty straight forward to me
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3446[21:40:46] <sine0> YEA
3447[21:40:50] <sine0> lets break down this line of text
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3449[21:40:54] <lux7676> hello everyone, im having a weird issue with newest debian version
3450[21:41:05] <sine0> dont mention is lux7676 you might start a nerd fight
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3453[21:41:36] <lux7676> when i type the login info it says
3454[21:41:36] <lux7676> :
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3457[21:41:53] <lux7676> the last login date
3458[21:42:24] <lux7676> the programs included with the debian gnu/linux system are free software.....
3459[21:42:26] <sine0> last long from arpa.2.35.68.10shezign.province.cn
3460[21:42:39] <lux7676> everything shows in the terminal
3461[21:42:44] <lux7676> and the last thin what says
3462[21:42:45] <lux7676> is
3463[21:43:07] <lux7676> user@user:~$
3464[21:43:20] <lux7676> i cant not login
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3466[21:43:22] <lux7676> why ?
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3470[21:44:01] <jmcnaught> lux7676: you get a bash prompt, doesn't that mean you're logged in?
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3472[21:44:35] <lux7676> well ok bash prompt but where is the system
3473[21:44:47] <lux7676> like i dont know how to exit it
3474[21:45:06] <jmcnaught> lux7676: you can exit bash with "exit". are you expecting a graphical login?
3475[21:45:08] <lux7676> like i remember after installing older version it went right to the system after typing pw
3476[21:45:39] <lux7676> yes i was expecting graphical login but it does not matter
3477[21:45:43] <lux7676> i did type the user name and pw
3478[21:45:53] <lux7676> why is they system in bash prompt
3479[21:45:53] <lux7676> ?
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3482[21:46:20] <lux7676> this is literally the newest version...
3483[21:46:26] <markybob> because that's what normally happens. you have to install a graphical interface if you want one. i'm assuming you used netinst and didn't select it
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3486[21:46:50] <jmcnaught> lux7676: is this the first time booting into a fresh install? did you install a graphical desktop? also please try not to hit <enter> so much, you'll be difficult to follow when more people are talking
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3488[21:47:55] <lux7676> yes this is the first time, i did create the iso file with some iso image program
3489[21:48:04] <lux7676> should i start over again ?
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3491[21:48:15] <lux7676> or should i make a new iso again ?
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3493[21:48:26] <babilen> Sounds as if you didn't install Gnome (desktop environment)
3494[21:48:29] <babilen> dpkg: install gnome
3495[21:48:30] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. replaced-url
3496[21:48:34] <babilen> lux7676: Do ^
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3502[21:49:30] <babilen> My personaly preference is "5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended)." but you might deem that too minimal. On the other hand you can always install other software later.
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3505[21:50:03] <TomTomTosch> using some iso image program could be the reason things didn't install correctly. usually gnome is selected as default, you would have to unselect it manually.
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3507[21:50:30] <markybob> TomTomTosch: i dont remember netinst doing that.
3508[21:50:56] <TomTomTosch> hmm, let me check.
3509[21:51:36] <lux7676> this is the iso that i downloaded
3510[21:51:37] <lux7676> replaced-url
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3512[21:51:53] <lux7676> maybe the file is corrupt or something because its like 260mb
3513[21:51:59] <babilen> lux7676: Yeah, did you tick the "Desktop enviroment" checkbox in the "Install software" dialogue ?
3514[21:52:01] <markybob> lux7676: yeah. so just install task-gnome-desktop if you want the full gnome experience
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3516[21:52:19] <lux7676> hmm
3517[21:52:26] <r6ku> what markybob said
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3519[21:52:29] <lux7676> let me start over again....
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3521[21:52:40] <markybob> you really don't have to...
3522[21:52:51] <babilen> That pulls in everything and the kitchen sink though
3523[21:52:51] <lux7676> ?
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3526[21:53:14] <markybob> lux7676: apt-get install task-gnome-desktop as root will do the same thing as reinstalling and picking gnome
3527[21:53:25] <lux7676> ok
3528[21:53:26] <babilen> lux7676: The only thing that is missing is the installation of Gnome. You could just enter "apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment" and you would be done.
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3534[21:54:30] <babilen> There are different packages and task-desktop-gnome is that largest that pulls in everything and the kitchen sink. I personally like to start with something smaller and simply install what I want later on.
3535[21:54:30] <lux7676> could not open file (13 permission denied)
3536[21:54:33] <lux7676> are you a root ?
3537[21:54:39] <babilen> Well, are you?
3538[21:54:42] <lux7676> yes because i already typed the pw
3539[21:54:47] <markybob> the answer is you're not
3540[21:54:48] <markybob> su
3541[21:54:51] <lux7676> but why is aksing me this questions ?
3542[21:54:53] <babilen> You are logged in as root?
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3544[21:55:05] <r6ku> lux7676: you need super user(root) to install packages
3545[21:55:11] <lux7676> oh
3546[21:55:22] <lux7676> what should i do now ?
3547[21:55:27] <babilen> So, run "su", enter your root password and try again
3548[21:55:28] <lux7676> sorry im bad with the terminal
3549[21:55:31] <lux7676> ok
3550[21:55:47] <markybob> lux7676: apt-get install task-gnome-desktop
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3552[21:55:52] <lux7676> authentication failure
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3554[21:56:06] <lux7676> ok
3555[21:56:09] <lux7676> now it work
3556[21:56:11] <lux7676> works
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3560[21:56:18] <lux7676> one moment
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3562[21:56:24] <markybob> lux7676: then reboot
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3568[21:58:42] <lux7676> building dependency tree
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3572[21:58:52] <lux7676> reading state information... done
3573[21:59:07] <lux7676> E unable to locate package gnome-desktop-environment
3574[21:59:20] <lux7676> should i restart anyway?
3575[21:59:22] <markybob> lux7676: that's not what i told you to do was it?
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3578[21:59:59] <lux7676> pt-get install task-gnome-desktop
3579[22:00:00] <lux7676> this ?
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3581[22:00:09] <lux7676> apt*
3582[22:00:28] <babilen> dpkg: jessie sources.list
3583[22:00:29] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
3584[22:00:32] <markybob> lux7676: right. gnome-desktop-environmen is only in oldstable. not jessie
3585[22:00:36] <r6ku> lux7676: yes, that one
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3587[22:00:48] <lux7676> same thing but now it says
3588[22:00:59] <lux7676> unable to locate package gnome-desktop
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3591[22:01:21] <babilen> markybob: Time to edit that factoid :)
3592[22:01:50] <TomTomTosch> lux7676: read again.
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3594[22:02:47] <awal1> lux7676, try updating first. run: apt-get update && apt-get install task-gnome-desktop
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3596[22:03:01] <lux7676> ok one moment
3597[22:03:19] <TomTomTosch> it's a fresh install. all you have to do is type it correctly.
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3602[22:04:34] <babilen> Great, I broke dpkg
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3605[22:05:15] <awal1> lux7676, maybe you're not typing correctly , so copy/paste
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3607[22:05:23] <lux7676> btw
3608[22:05:25] <awal1> apt-get update && apt-get install task-gnome-desktop
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3610[22:05:40] <lux7676> do i have to be connected to the internet ?
3611[22:05:44] <markybob> yes
3612[22:05:45] <lux7676> cuz its same message
3613[22:05:47] <markybob> you used netinst
3614[22:06:05] <lux7676> oh....
3615[22:06:19] <markybob> that means "network installation"
3616[22:06:24] <lux7676> well anyway i can do this offline
3617[22:06:36] <lux7676> sorry i misundestanded
3618[22:06:39] <markybob> you download the gnome iso if that's what you want
3619[22:06:43] <lux7676> i think this is what i downloaded wrong
3620[22:06:53] <lux7676> i did create iso file
3621[22:06:59] <awal1> lux7676, your apt sources file is ok?
3622[22:07:02] <lux7676> but maybe i picked the wrong version
3623[22:07:14] <markybob> yes you certainly did if you want gnome offline
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3625[22:07:15] <lux7676> how can i check this awal1
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3627[22:07:25] <lux7676> i need to be able to install this offline
3628[22:07:33] <TomTomTosch> don't bother. you can't.
3629[22:07:33] <lux7676> i cant connect to the internet
3630[22:07:44] <lux7676> this is on another computer...
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3633[22:08:07] <awal1> lux7676, run in terminal: cat /etc/apt/sources.list copy and paste it in paste.debian.net
3634[22:08:19] <lux7676> ok
3635[22:08:24] <lux7676> one moment
3636[22:08:24] <TomTomTosch> he still has no internet connection.
3637[22:09:04] <TomTomTosch> his sources.list is fine, it's a fresh install...
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3639[22:09:15] <lux7676> no such file or directory
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3643[22:09:47] <awal1> he may have skipped sources config during install
3644[22:09:55] <markybob> how does it matter?
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3646[22:09:59] <markybob> it's netinst with no net
3647[22:10:11] <lux7676> im worry that this is not full vesion yeah markybob
3648[22:10:17] <lux7676> i need like the 650 mb version
3649[22:10:20] <markybob> lux7676: yeah, you're right
3650[22:10:28] <lux7676> so im able to do it without the internet
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3653[22:10:51] <lux7676> i will make a new iso file with the right version
3654[22:11:02] <TomTomTosch> download the dvd then.
3655[22:11:04] <awal1> without internet you will need dvd image , 1 gb +
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3657[22:11:16] <markybob> lux7676: TomTomTosch is right. you probably should do dvd
3658[22:11:28] <lux7676> i undesrstand
3659[22:11:33] <lux7676> yeah i will make iso file
3660[22:11:49] <jmcnaught> or you know, get the installer to connect to the internet
3661[22:11:49] <babilen> lux7676: You cannot connect the computer to the internet while you are installing or you can't connect to the internet now? (or both)
3662[22:12:23] <markybob> i think we're all assuming he just doesn't it have it since he didn't mention it "couldn't"
3663[22:12:27] <lux7676> i cant connect to the internet
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3666[22:12:44] <lux7676> im using two different computers
3667[22:12:44] <babilen> At all?
3668[22:13:00] <lux7676> yes at all because the wifi card is not confgured..
3669[22:13:08] <markybob> oh lord
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3672[22:13:24] <markybob> nap time
3673[22:13:39] <babilen> lux7676: The installer should be able to connect to your wifi just fine. Did you configure it during the installation?
3674[22:13:43] <awal1> lux7676, if amd64 (64 bit) go to replaced-url
3675[22:13:47] <lux7676> could somone give me the full offline version to the debain 64 bit iso
3676[22:13:50] <awal1> 3,7 gb
3677[22:13:56] <b0s3d> hello, i want to change the behavior of "Files" browser, i want to find something instead of searching for it
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3679[22:15:03] <lux7676> oh wow
3680[22:15:11] <babilen> b0s3d: You find things by searching for them
3681[22:15:13] <lux7676> awal1 thanks
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3683[22:15:21] <lux7676> babilen yes
3684[22:15:25] <lux7676> but it did not detect it
3685[22:15:32] <awal1> I have used dvd1 when jessie release and that iso image dont include any DE, internet is needed for downlad the choosen DE in tasksel step. I dont know if things have changed since then...
3686[22:15:41] <lux7676> question
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3688[22:16:00] <lux7676> i remember downloading debain 7.9 it was like 650mb for the full iso
3689[22:16:07] <lux7676> this is debian-8.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso 2016-04-02 17:59 3.7G
3690[22:16:10] <b0s3d> babilen: lets use the internet browser for an example, by search i refer to google, by find i refer to ctrl+f
3691[22:16:16] <lux7676> more than 4 times
3692[22:16:32] <lux7676> what are the differences
3693[22:16:36] <lux7676> between those two
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3699[22:18:06] <babilen> b0s3d: You mean that you want to restrict the search to the current directory?
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3701[22:18:19] <TomTomTosch> markybob, as a side note: desktop environment is selected. it pulls gnome. so selecting gnome does exactly nothing :D
3702[22:18:20] <awal1> lux7676, please go to replaced-url
3703[22:18:30] <lux7676> ok
3704[22:18:33] <b0s3d> babilen, have you had ubuntu before?
3705[22:18:38] <babilen> No
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3707[22:18:56] <babilen> I have been using Debian since 2001, never saw the need to switch
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3709[22:19:08] <jmcnaught> lux7676: it sounds like you might have a wifi adapter that needs a special firmware. We can help you determine that if you tell us the pciid (looks like [1234:abcd]) for your card from the output of this command: "lspci -nn | grep -i net".
3710[22:19:21] <babilen> jmcnaught++
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3712[22:19:52] <b0s3d> alright, ehm.. instead of searching the dir i am in (this will make me find sub dirs too, which i don't want to) i would like to just scan the dir for the word i am searching for
3713[22:19:52] <jmcnaught> lux7676: otherwise it might be easiest to simply connect this computer with an ethernet cable during the install (and use the netinst image you already have), then figure out the wifi drivers after the first boot
3714[22:19:52] <Atm0spher1c> I'm trying to add shutdown and restart options to xfce. Seems I need to add my user to the power group. There is no power group though, do I just make one?
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3716[22:19:59] <b0s3d> babilen ^
3717[22:20:13] <r6ku> nice timing there :p
3718[22:20:22] <babilen> b0s3d: Yeah, so restrict it to the current directory and not search recursively?
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3723[22:20:44] <b0s3d> babilen: yeah i guess :)
3724[22:21:18] <babilen> Not sure that's possible, but lets see ..
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3727[22:22:02] <Atm0spher1c> And is there a list of groups and the meaning of each? Couldn't find any info on it.
3728[22:22:07] <b0s3d> babilen: i am using gnome 3 btw
3729[22:22:17] <babilen> dpkg: tell Atm0spher1c -about groups
3730[22:22:33] <lux7676> jmcnaught broadcom Corporation adapter
3731[22:22:54] <babilen> b0s3d: Yeah, I think that the recursive search is normal in nautilus (what they now call "files", but nautilis is a lot easier to google for)
3732[22:23:20] <b0s3d> alright, thanks for the hit
3733[22:23:23] <b0s3d> hint
3734[22:23:24] <awal1> Atm0spher1c, why you haven't those features under xfce DE? have you did a custom debian/xfce installation?
3735[22:24:42] <lux7676> any better explanations why is newest version of debian 6 times more than 7.9 version ?
3736[22:25:22] <awal1> Atm0spher1c, on a standard debian install all those stuff (group permissions, shutdown feature...) are auto configured
3737[22:25:37] <r6ku> lux7676: it isn't, there are 700mb cd images of debian 8 if you want them
3738[22:25:44] <jmcnaught> lux7676: okay, not the pciid but the firmware installer doesn't include broadcom firmwares. The easiest thing to do is connect ethernet cable during the install. Or use one of the larger installer discs that includes more packages, but you will still need a network connection to get your wifi working (or manually copy some files)
3739[22:25:51] <Atm0spher1c> awal1: Yes I did. Maybe I should have just selected xfce at install. Can't remember exactly, but I think I did that for lxde and there were no shutdown, supend either. I should double check but I reinstalled several times already.
3740[22:25:58] <babilen> b0s3d: You can open dconf-editor and then take a look at org>gnome>nautlis>preferences -- I have a "enable recursive search" checkbox there. I have absolutely no idea if you could trigger that kind of search with different key combinations
3741[22:26:20] <babilen> b0s3d: nautilus naturally (not nautlis)
3742[22:26:27] <awal1> Atm0spher1c, are you with Jessie?
3743[22:26:32] <lux7676> hmm jmcnaught
3744[22:26:46] <Atm0spher1c> awal1: I had a debian wheezy lxde that I installed manually and had those shutdown and suspend options. Then when I did a fresh jessie install, those options werent available. So I'm now trying xfce
3745[22:27:30] <lux7676> r6ku but will they include all the packages like for the wifi to work?
3746[22:27:39] <jmcnaught> lux7676: this problem is caused because broadcom forbids redistribution of the firmware files required to use their wifi adapter.
3747[22:27:51] <lux7676> oh
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3751[22:28:17] <lux7676> jmcnaught but for some reason with ubuntu it did work
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3753[22:28:22] <lux7676> any reason why ?
3754[22:28:26] <Atm0spher1c> another interesting note, on the wheezy install the initial user I created at setup has all the normal groups. Then I created another user which I just realized isn't assigned to any groups. But audio, video, and everything works.
3755[22:28:37] <awal1> Atm0spher1c, all what you said is "weird" for me. as I said your issue shouldn't exist in a normal debian installation
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3757[22:28:54] <genoobie> Hey all
3758[22:29:02] <Atm0spher1c> it is weird
3759[22:29:31] <Atm0spher1c> How about the user that's in no groups, yet audio, video and everything works fine in lxde on wheezy
3760[22:29:34] <b0s3d> babilen: awesome 'trick' mate, but i don't see no "enable recursive search" in there
3761[22:29:35] <r6ku> lux7676: debian doesn't come with non-free firmware by default, there is a firmware netinst image though replaced-url
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3763[22:29:48] <grawity> Atm0spher1c: udev sets device ACLs for you
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3765[22:30:27] <Atm0spher1c> grawity: what does that exactly mean?
3766[22:30:33] <grawity> it's somewhat related to the ability to suspend
3767[22:30:44] <r6ku> lux7676: oops, wrong link, here: replaced-url
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3770[22:31:03] <grawity> Atm0spher1c: try `getfacl /dev/snd/pcm*` and see
3771[22:31:09] <jmcnaught> lux7676: it's either because canonical gets permission to redistribute the firmwares, or they simply don't care and break the rules. Debian doesn't break rules like that
3772[22:31:33] <jmcnaught> r6ku: that installer is helpful, but it doesn't include all firmwares (notably the broadcom ones)
3773[22:31:42] <r6ku> oh :(
3774[22:32:18] <lux7676> r6ku thanks
3775[22:32:29] <lux7676> jmcnaught wonder why they dont ///
3776[22:33:21] <babilen> b0s3d: I guess that we are using different versions (I'm on unstable) -- Pity!
3777[22:33:24] <jmcnaught> lux7676: anyways.. if you can plug your computer into an ethernet cable during the install and the first few minutes after, that will be the easiest.
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3779[22:33:29] <lux7676> r6ku but
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3781[22:33:42] <lux7676> i wont be able to use it because no internet ..
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3785[22:34:32] <awal1> lux7676, how are you connected to this channel if no internet?
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3787[22:34:58] <algun> What do I do when I can see my phone in lsusb, but there is not a corresponding virtual file in /dev/, and conversely, it doesn't automount despite USB devices being set up to automount?
3788[22:35:06] <lux7676> awal1 public wifi
3789[22:35:07] <lux7676> lol
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3791[22:35:20] <babilen> b0s3d: This is nautilus 3.18.5 -- No idea when they introduced that option. You might want to investigate along those lines and maybe ask some Gnome people. Judging from experience: Gnome applications are rather hard to tinker with. I had hoped that that option would be available in your version also.
3792[22:35:20] <awal1> you 're having internet now, so go download the full dvd one and go on with your installation....
3793[22:35:46] <awal1> or buy a debian cd/dvd
3794[22:36:07] <lux7676> awal1 i would have to stay there for like whole night ...
3795[22:36:08] <lux7676> i need to find a place with fast internet
3796[22:36:08] <lux7676> ...
3797[22:36:11] <awal1> symbolic price, as explained in the debian link I gave you
3798[22:36:12] <Atm0spher1c> grawity: interesting. Basically says that user is in the audio group, even though they're not
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3800[22:36:40] <Atm0spher1c> So is there a "power" group in debian?
3801[22:36:56] <grawity> no it doesn't say that
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3803[22:37:42] <awal1> Atm0spher1c, just trying to undestand. what happens if you open a terminal and run systemctl suspend, reboot or poweroff ?
3804[22:37:48] <awal1> that have any effect?
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3806[22:38:12] <lux7676> awal1 i will donate to debian community
3807[22:38:12] <lux7676> i want to say that i appreciate all the help from people here
3808[22:38:12] <lux7676> its hard to see this in real life
3809[22:38:15] <Atm0spher1c> awal1: yes that works of course, but for other users, they need to be able to click suspend
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3811[22:39:04] <Atm0spher1c> grawity: says # owner: root, # group: audio, and the user listed under that. I don't really understand it
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3814[22:39:34] <Atm0spher1c> awal1: I'm basically going by this replaced-url
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3819[22:41:39] <grawity> it still talks about hal, so it's ... not exactly up-to-date
3820[22:41:47] <grawity> unless I guess that's still used on freebsd?
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3825[22:45:30] <Atm0spher1c> Should we not be using pm-suspend anymore? I always used that and now there's systemd and systemctl.
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3827[22:46:23] <bhurstpdx> anyone tried Debian kfreeBSD?
3828[22:47:00] <Guest47882> xfce or lxde for gaming ?
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3831[22:48:54] <r6ku> Guest47882: either one is fine
3832[22:49:14] <Guest47882> ty
3833[22:49:18] <Paianni> xfce is a bit rough with steam
3834[22:49:45] <jml2> bhurstpdx, y did awhile back in vbox.. though i don't know about its current status -- i think the project was suspended for awhile
3835[22:49:48] <Paianni> infact steam's custom ui is buggy on any de
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3837[22:50:17] <Paianni> except unity, probably
3838[22:50:22] <algun> What do I do when I can see my device in lsusb, but there is not a corresponding virtual file in /dev/, and conversely, it doesn't automount despite USB devices being set up to automount?
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3840[22:50:35] <aricz> no problems with steam here.. using xfce
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3850[22:55:57] <bob1> hi all - somehow a zip archive wont open 'an error occured while loading the archive' any suggestions of debian tools to extract good files and deal with corrupt files later?
3851[22:55:59] <genoobie> aricz, what is steam
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3856[22:57:15] <genoobie> Paianni, how do you run steam on xfce?
3857[22:57:16] <aricz> I take it they were talking about Valve's Steam
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3859[22:57:36] <bob1> and any suggestions on a format similar to osx disk images which rarely failed me, auto checksums - whatnot
3860[22:57:52] <Paianni> aptitude install steam
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3862[22:58:04] <genoobie> aricz, would AMDTurion 2GHz with 3gb ram be enough..
3863[22:58:07] <genoobie> Paianni, thanks
3864[22:58:24] <Paianni> enable non-free first
3865[22:58:30] <genoobie> don
3866[22:58:31] <aricz> hehe, don't think the specs are high for running Steam.. :)
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3868[22:58:36] <genoobie> done
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3871[23:00:48] <genoobie> Paianni, I enabled non-free, it says couldn't find steam
3872[23:00:49] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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3874[23:02:13] <genoobie> jmcnaught, thanks!
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3877[23:02:32] <genoobie> jmcnaught, still having a bit of a sound issue
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3884[23:03:36] <travis_> Hey, while installing debian jessie through netinst I accidentally clicked no to installing 32bit libraries.... is there a way I can install them after installing debian
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3889[23:04:10] <markybob> !tell travis_ about multiarch
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3892[23:04:44] <travis_> thanks markybob always helpful :D
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3901[23:06:29] <drocsid> I installed Stretch wihtout network access. Now I'm trying to generate a sources list, but get a bunch of Ign lines. is a line like replaced-url
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3906[23:07:31] <drocsid> anybody?
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3911[23:08:44] <l0ll1p0p> drocsid: stretch is testing right?
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3914[23:09:15] <travis_> yeah
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3917[23:09:53] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell drocsid about stretch sources.list
3918[23:09:59] <travis_> Random question, gnome 3 is super annoying with not having minimize/maximize buttons for windows how can i enable that
3919[23:10:17] <markybob> also ign is perfectly okay and normal
3920[23:10:31] <markybob> means nothing changed so no need to download
3921[23:10:51] <drocsid> jmcnaught: if dpkg isn't around, can you just tell me
3922[23:10:57] <jmcnaught> drocsid: the dpkg bot just messaged you with an answer. also there is a #debian-next channel on irc.oftc.net that is specifically for testing/unstable, probably get better support there
3923[23:10:58] <drocsid> ?
3924[23:11:03] <r6ku> travis_: you can enable the buttons in the tweak tool, open the application menu and search for it
3925[23:11:23] <grawity> travis_: gnome-tweak-tool; gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences button-layout appmenu:minimize,maximize,close
3926[23:11:37] <jmcnaught> drocsid: check your other tabs/windows in your irc client, see the channel topic for examples of how to interact with the bot
3927[23:11:47] <genoobie> okay
3928[23:11:57] <genoobie> here's a stupid question
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3930[23:12:20] <genoobie> When I plug my headphones in there is sound
3931[23:12:29] <grawity> also, use Super+Up to maximize, Super+H to hide (minimize)
3932[23:12:38] <genoobie> unplug them, sometimes sound comes out of the speakers and sometimes no..
3933[23:12:40] <genoobie> any fix?
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3939[23:14:28] <travis_> got it thx
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3944[23:16:56] <algun> I have to try one last time: I have an android phone listed in lsusb, but not /dev/s*. What do I do?
3945[23:17:02] <travis_> So I ran "dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update" but opening steam still says missing 32 libraries steam may not run
3946[23:17:11] <grawity> ausbin: recent Android devices only speak MTP, not Mass Storage
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3959[23:20:36] <Eduard_Munteanu> algun, what grawity said
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3963[23:22:03] <Atm0spher1c> travis_: fix your broken depend - apt-get install -f
3964[23:22:18] <markybob> travis_: well i know you didn't follow the wiki
3965[23:22:32] <travis_> I did apt-get install -f
3966[23:22:38] <markybob> travis_: it tells you to install 32-bilt opengl libraries and tells you exactly how to do it
3967[23:22:40] <travis_> no I didnt lmao I just put the command it told me to
3968[23:22:53] <markybob> travis_: read. replaced-url
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3971[23:23:11] <travis_> damn it I told you reading is my greatest enemy .-.
3972[23:23:13] <travis_> jk
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3974[23:24:00] <travis_> 32 bit is called i386 right
3975[23:24:06] <markybob> yes
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3978[23:24:48] <travis_> wait i have to edit my sources?
3979[23:25:13] <markybob> travis_: just assume the wiki is 100% correct
3980[23:25:22] <markybob> travis_: and i have to go. good luck :)
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3982[23:25:56] <travis_> im confused half way through reading should i APT::Architectures=<x86_64> <i386>
3983[23:26:00] <travis_> clear
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3987[23:26:38] <jml2> !multiarch
3988[23:26:38] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
3989[23:26:53] <bob1> wow 'zip -FF indamagedarchive --out outfixedarchive' completely fixed all zipped archive! - thx all!
3990[23:27:37] <travis_> jml2 im reading the wiki i said lol
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3996[23:28:30] <travis_> I typed the command and changed sources to add i386 i still cant open steam
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3998[23:29:18] <jml2> oh steam..
3999[23:29:25] <jml2> yeah there are instructions i recall somewhere
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4001[23:29:51] <jml2> steam should/would be supported well since SteamOS bases itself off debian
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4003[23:30:18] <travis_> Right the issue is when I did netinst of jessie I accidentally said no to installing 32 bit libs
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4005[23:30:49] <Atm0spher1c> doesnt matter, you can change it after as you did
4006[23:31:09] <Atm0spher1c> you're doing something wrong, and not explaining what you're doing
4007[23:31:22] <travis_> I did the following >>
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4009[23:31:37] <Atm0spher1c> basically that wiki should work out just fine
4010[23:31:43] <Atm0spher1c> uninstall steam and try again
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4017[23:32:25] <travis_> downloaded and installed steam .deb file , found it didnt work and followed the wiki ... pkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update.... still didnt work.... then I followed the wiki further and added this line to my sources.list deb [arch=amd64,i386] replaced-url
4018[23:32:49] <Atm0spher1c> this is debian not ubuntu
4019[23:33:19] <Atm0spher1c> deb replaced-url
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4022[23:33:26] <l0ll1p0p> travis_: did you updated after you add the line to your repos
4023[23:33:29] <Atm0spher1c> you're not following the wiki
4024[23:33:42] <travis_> yea
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4027[23:34:18] <travis_> Atm0spheric I installed the non-free netinst do i still need to add that?
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4030[23:34:51] <markybob> travis_: honestly you may have broken things too far already by adding ubuntu
4031[23:34:57] <markybob> !tell travis_ about dontbreakdebian
4032[23:35:15] <travis_> what I didnt add ubuntu stuff
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4034[23:35:24] <markybob> travis_: we can't support you if you don't follow clear instructions and do things on your own (like adding ubuntu)
4035[23:35:40] <travis_> wtf are you talking about ubuntu
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4038[23:35:51] <Atm0spher1c> travis_: you said - "deb [arch=amd64,i386] replaced-url
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4040[23:36:03] <travis_> oh but thats what the wiki says
4041[23:36:13] <Atm0spher1c> travis_: no - replaced-url
4042[23:36:13] <markybob> travis_: no
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4044[23:36:21] <markybob> travis_: that's not the wiki i linked you to
4045[23:36:37] <markybob> travis_: it's probably broken. reinstall and start over. then follow instructions
4046[23:36:41] <travis_> markybob wants you to know: Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
4047[23:36:47] <travis_> i followed that wiki
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4049[23:37:09] <markybob> travis_: nowhere there will you find ubuntu. i don't know what's wrong with your reading ability
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4060[23:43:58] <awal1> Atm0spher1c, I find pm-suspend... insecure because it needs root access and if any someone can press power button for resume and he gets X terminal with root privileges...
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4072[23:51:50] <Atm0spher1c> awal1: sudo
4073[23:52:12] <Atm0spher1c> didn't know systemctl suspend doesnt need root
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