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• 14[00:06:45] <bjornar> How can I get a list of what repositories provides a pattern-package?
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• 26[00:11:21] <TomTomTosch> markybob, and you made me think you were on the run from the law.
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• 28[00:12:07] <TomTomTosch> bjornar, 'dpgl -l | grep whatever' and then 'apt-cache policy whatever-package'
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• 33[00:12:48] <TomTomTosch> bjornar, for repos that are in your system. if you mean in general... google.
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• 44[00:18:02] <TomTomTosch> in your system / indexed by apt
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• 75[00:27:25] <g00se> I've got a script that make an ssh connection to run another script that produces output. But i can't redirect to file. Is that due to something about the terminal involved in the ssh connection being on the target host? How do i collect the output?
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• 78[00:28:15] <SyncYourDogmas> stdout?
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• 80[00:28:43] <SyncYourDogmas> its a file descriptor that you'll have to redirect back to stdin I suppose
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• 82[00:29:27] <g00se> Don't quite follow sorry
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• 89[00:31:37] <genoobie> hey all
• 90[00:31:42] <potus> nice nick
• 91[00:31:51] <potus> @genoobie
• 92[00:31:58] <genoobie> Thanks.
• 93[00:32:16] <genoobie> It was from a looong time ago
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• 95[00:32:40] <potus> never seen it.. original
• 96[00:32:52] <genoobie> I was installing gentoo (don't know why...) and since I was a "gentoo noobie" I just made it, genoobie
• 97[00:33:20] <potus> see i read it as gento ==obie
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• 99[00:33:26] <potus> like obi-won of gentoo
• 100[00:33:27] <potus> lol
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• 102[00:33:35] * g00se has made a workaround by redirecting at remote and then scp ing the file to local
• 103[00:33:42] <genoobie> funny
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• 106[00:34:16] <genoobie> anyhow, I am here because I just installed jessie on my hp dv9000.
• 107[00:34:26] <potus> im just waiting for this 8 hour render to finish.. another 1 1/2 hours to go -- i made a cool debian 8.3 xfce install video in 4K
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• 109[00:34:36] <genoobie> It's not problem free, but I might be able to live with the bugs
• 110[00:34:42] <potus> dv9000 the one that looks startrakish
• 111[00:34:53] <genoobie> but the hardware was pretty crappy on the machine
• 112[00:34:55] <potus> whats the bugs
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• 114[00:35:22] <genoobie> potus, initially the getting the wireless working was a real pain
• 115[00:35:28] <potus> i used an old laptop lenovo 3000 n100 for the longest time.. it seemed debian was the only thing that worked nice.. with xfce in lieu of gnome
• 116[00:35:40] <potus> did it report any missing firmware on installing?
• 117[00:35:53] <genoobie> the "wl" driver was not working properly with the broadcom card, despite debians docs that it does
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• 119[00:36:22] <potus> what driver did it for u?
• 120[00:36:39] <tremon> hey all, is there any way to tell grub that the linux kernel files are not in /boot?
• 121[00:36:44] <genoobie> then the nvidia driver couldn't properly load so it went to nouveau but then I removed nividia* and borked my sound
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• 123[00:36:53] <genoobie> potus the legacy b43
• 124[00:37:00] <potus> I usually just google the driver it says it is missing during install, find the deb on another pc and install via dpkg -i
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• 126[00:37:16] <potus> what hardware is still giving trouble?
• 127[00:37:25] <genoobie> well I have no sound
• 128[00:37:34] <genoobie> but I'm not really good at diagnosing driver issues, etc
• 129[00:37:41] <genoobie> in fact I suck at it
• 130[00:37:47] <potus> u in console or desktop enviroment
• 131[00:37:55] <potus> by default mine installs muted
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• 133[00:38:00] <genoobie> I am in fact something of a "jessie" noob, a "jenoobie"
• 134[00:38:04] <potus> and when i use mute button it doesnt unmute.. i use mixer to turn it on
• 135[00:38:11] <genoobie> presently xfce
• 136[00:38:17] <genoobie> yeah, I loaded mixer...
• 137[00:38:18] <potus> thats the one i use =)
• 138[00:38:25] <potus> did u notice if anything was muted?
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• 140[00:38:43] <genoobie> potus, which "mixer" do you use a gui or console?
• 141[00:38:43] <potus> apt-get install esound
• 142[00:38:50] <potus> gui if ur in xfce
• 143[00:39:12] <markybob> genoobie: i'd use pavucontrol
• 144[00:39:12] <potus> i just had the most trouble with cinelerra. took 4 days to resolve the issues
• 145[00:39:20] <genoobie> why not the "HDA nvidia (alsa mixer)
• 146[00:39:20] <markybob> genoobie: what's lspci -nn say?
• 147[00:39:38] <potus> markybob nkn
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• 149[00:39:57] <genoobie> markybob, what should I grep?
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• 151[00:40:31] <markybob> genoobie: just pastebin it
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• 153[00:41:38] <markybob> potus: i'm pretty old. no idea what nkn means
• 154[00:41:47] <potus> nice kid nice.
• 155[00:41:55] <potus> markybob: how old is old?
• 156[00:42:04] <markybob> potus: 40s
• 157[00:42:10] <potus> im 30s
• 158[00:42:34] <genoobie> replaced-url
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• 161[00:43:09] <genoobie> here's the issue
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• 163[00:43:29] <genoobie> I was having some serious video probs and so I uninstalled everything with "nvidia" in it
• 164[00:43:29] <markybob> BCM4311
• 165[00:43:33] <markybob> damn, sorry
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• 167[00:43:39] <genoobie> and i have a nvidia chipset
• 168[00:43:45] <genoobie> markybob, it works
• 169[00:43:51] <genoobie> the problem I have is with my sound
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• 172[00:44:21] <genoobie> all I can get is a system "beep"
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• 175[00:44:45] <genoobie> was thinking of reinstalling
• 176[00:44:57] <potus> genoo that would b my route
• 177[00:45:20] <potus> keep ur b43 .apk and after install put it in and setup sources.list
• 178[00:45:27] <potus> apk.. haha deb!
• 179[00:45:44] <genoobie> I wish I had enough skills to diag the problem though
• 180[00:46:03] <genoobie> I will probably try a ubuntu install
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• 182[00:46:06] <genoobie> as well
• 183[00:46:10] <genoobie> maybe linux mint?
• 184[00:46:18] <potus> genoobie: find the driver for the corrolating lspci audio device
• 185[00:46:19] <potus> sec
• 186[00:46:26] <TomTomTosch> or you wait a second for some input.
• 187[00:46:28] <potus> i use apt-file ALOT
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• 190[00:47:08] <genoobie> how do I know which driver is being used for the audio device?
• 191[00:47:20] <potus> NVIDIA Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio
• 192[00:47:28] <TomTomTosch> ,pciid [10de:026c]
• 193[00:47:29] <judd> [10de:026c] is 'MCP51 High Definition Audio' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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• 195[00:48:01] <potus> Thanks, but finally I just had to modprobe something and unmute "master" AND "front" with alsamixer.
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• 197[00:48:06] <potus> thats the answer
• 198[00:48:18] <TomTomTosch> \o/
• 199[00:48:19] <potus> sudo rmmod snd_hda_intel and then sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
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• 201[00:48:49] <genoobie> "in use"
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• 203[00:48:58] <potus> says make sure to install alsa-utils and alsa-oss
• 204[00:49:28] <genoobie> well let me reinstall...
• 205[00:49:38] <markybob> genoobie: did you try pavucontrol?
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• 207[00:49:56] <genoobie> cmd not found
• 208[00:50:02] <genoobie> it's okay, I'm learning
• 209[00:50:04] <markybob> genoobie: apt-get install it
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• 211[00:50:26] <genoobie> I did a stupid thing with an uninstall and I have NO idea what actually uninstalled
• 212[00:50:32] <markybob> genoobie: is the user in the audio group?
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• 215[00:50:37] <potus> ubuntu forums have peeps compiling from source.
• 216[00:50:53] <TomTomTosch> woot?
• 217[00:50:54] <genoobie> rather than find bits and pieces that work / don't work, I can just start from scratch
• 218[00:50:59] <genoobie> doesn't take that long
• 219[00:51:01] <andril> hello :)
• 220[00:51:08] <potus> genoobie: thats a boy!
• 221[00:51:09] <TomTomTosch> but it's silly.
• 222[00:51:26] <genoobie> TomTomTosch, but how do I know what else is broken
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• 224[00:51:34] <potus> tomtomtosch: if u only seen me this week trying to get cinelerra to work! i reinstalled 4 times!
• 225[00:51:36] <svetlana> [PatienceZero] GOT WINNER? NIET NIET SOVIET!
• 226[00:51:39] <svetlana> PatienceZero, ?
• 227[00:51:43] <markybob> genoobie: do you have reason to think anything else is broken?
• 228[00:52:00] <markybob> potus: you're proud of that?
• 229[00:52:02] <potus> genoobie: everyone on forums saying something might be muted. on ubuntu forums they saying compile asla from source and it worked for them
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• 231[00:52:11] <potus> markybob: YES i got it to work!
• 232[00:52:18] <genoobie> markybob, well, my sound is borked because of an indiscriminant uninstall
• 233[00:52:21] <TomTomTosch> what a mess...
• 234[00:52:25] <genoobie> markybob, my sound used to work
• 235[00:52:43] <TomTomTosch> well, do what you feel like.
• 236[00:52:45] <markybob> genoobie: okay. do whatever
• 237[00:52:45] <genoobie> markybob, but I got stuck in console mode after a bad video problem
• 238[00:52:52] <potus> genoobie: press up on ur keyboard until u find what u apt-get removed and apt-get install it
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• 240[00:53:27] <potus> 51 minutes until my install video can start uploading to utube
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• 242[00:53:47] <genoobie> apt-get purge nvidia-*
• 243[00:53:51] <markybob> well that's terryfing
• 244[00:54:01] <potus> apt-file search nvidia-
• 245[00:54:05] <markybob> potus: you're making a tutorial video? holy shit
• 246[00:54:13] <genoobie> I forgot my chipset, sound, everything else is nVidia on this machine
• 247[00:54:24] <genoobie> who knows what the heck was uninstalled
• 248[00:54:29] <potus> markybob: its already made.. it is rendering in 4k now.. for 5 days i tried to align the audio!
• 249[00:54:43] <markybob> jesus christ have mercy
• 250[00:54:44] <TomTomTosch> markybob, this makes my head hurt. have fun.
• 251[00:54:50] <genoobie> okay, I will be back for sure.
• 252[00:54:51] <markybob> TomTomTosch: no i'm done
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• 254[00:55:14] <potus> markybob: i made the mistake of rendering the entire video (8 hours) making a change.. another 8 hours.. yada yada.. it didnt dawn on me to just compile 10 seconds of video (15 min render) until the 3rd day
• 255[00:55:15] <genoobie> I had a *huge* problem putting the right video driver on this machine and I might still need some help with that...
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• 257[00:55:36] <genoobie> so time for a new isntall
• 258[00:55:38] <genoobie> bbiab
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• 269[01:00:01] <potus> markybob: done with?
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• 276[01:04:45] <Guest51294> :D
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• 285[01:07:50] <ryouma> can the blinking cursor in vt be made to be a non-blinking solid one? i want this for everything that happens in the vt, including the login prompt.
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• 289[01:08:27] <potus> ryouma good question
• 290[01:09:02] <markybob> ryouma: you could use setterm -coursor off
• 291[01:09:27] <ryouma> i know there's a sequence you can send while you are already logged in, but that is totally useless because it does not apply to the login, and it also gets reset when you run emacs. totally useless.
• 292[01:09:29] <markybob> i haven't done that in forever but i assume it still works
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• 294[01:09:57] <markybob> ryouma: well you can set it to your profile or ~/.bashrc
• 295[01:10:28] <ryouma> markybob: and then it gets reset every single time i try to actually /use/ it. and that only runs after the login prompt.
• 296[01:10:29] <markybob> emacs. oh. i don't know about that.
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• 298[01:11:09] <markybob> ryouma: why would you need it to be active when not logged in?
• 299[01:11:21] <ryouma> basically the vt wants to blink, and it makes that the default, and it allows /anything/ to reset it.
• 300[01:11:43] <ryouma> markybob: any form of blinking on a computer disturbs me and i find it problematic
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• 302[01:11:55] <potus> +1 ryouma
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• 304[01:12:22] <markybob> potus: do you seriously just like to talk or are you going to add something useful?
• 305[01:12:35] <potus> the former..
• 306[01:12:38] <ryouma> he's saying he has the same problem
• 307[01:12:40] <markybob> /ignore it is
• 308[01:12:50] <ryouma> it's useful
• 309[01:12:51] <markybob> ryouma: yeah he's been rambling for a long time about nonsense.
• 310[01:13:00] <ryouma> i jsut logged in
• 311[01:13:15] <potus> ryouma: he prob knows me from years ago ..
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• 313[01:13:26] * potus dodges hate everyday
• 314[01:13:43] <markybob> ryouma: not ignoring you. i gave you my best answer. sorry i don't know any more
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• 319[01:14:59] <ryouma> markybob: thanks, i already covered all the usual supposed solutions. none rowk.
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• 321[01:15:02] <ryouma> work*
• 322[01:15:13] <ryouma> (non rowk either)
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• 332[01:20:17] <axc1298> what is the correct way to view documents in other languages in debian? i looked in the wiki and saw some font packages. but unless those require a reboot before they work, the document still shows weird characters
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• 336[01:21:02] <gerep> Hello good people. Using htop I noticed a lot of gvfsd-trash processes, what are those?
• 337[01:21:21] <cafuego> gnome virtual file system daemon trash?
• 338[01:21:38] <gerep> cafuego: and why so many?
• 339[01:21:44] <cafuego> lots of processes or only one process with lots of threads?
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• 342[01:22:00] <gerep> one process with 14 threads
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• 344[01:22:25] <cafuego> inadvisable multithread programming then, is my guess ;-)
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• 346[01:22:40] <cafuego> one for each mount point?
• 347[01:22:55] <markybob> jesus 14 mount points?
• 348[01:22:56] <gerep> cafuego: there is a great chance, I was running 2 go projects
• 349[01:23:04] <gerep> markybob: hahaha
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• 352[01:23:35] <markybob> gerep: your best bet for a real answer is to ask #gnome on irc.gimp.net
• 353[01:23:36] <cafuego> markybob: devfs, tmpfs, proc, sys .. not sure if gnome-vfsd is clever about those
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• 355[01:23:40] <gerep> cafuego: you asked about mount point, how do I check it?
• 356[01:23:50] <ryouma> mountpoint
• 357[01:23:59] <ryouma> or stat maybe
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• 359[01:24:06] <cafuego> gerep: see what the process has open using fuser?
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• 361[01:24:22] <cafuego> (note: output will contain many libs)
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• 367[01:25:44] <gerep> mountpoint -d /usr/lib/gvfs/
• 368[01:25:44] <gerep> 8:1
• 369[01:25:59] <gerep> ryouma: are those the correct parameters?
• 370[01:26:24] <ryouma> gerep: dunno
• 371[01:26:31] <gerep> Is there a problem if I kill those processes?
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• 376[01:28:02] <markybob> gerep: i haven't used gnome is well over a decade so i can't say. that's why i think you should go to the pros at #gnome like i suggested.
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• 381[01:30:59] <gerep> I also noticed two processes /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-extract (with 14 threads, coincidence?)
• 382[01:31:14] <gerep> markybob: you are right, I'll got here and see if I can find anything, thanks :)
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• 392[01:37:39] <OndraG> hello, I'm trying to automount SSHFS by AutoFS, /media/ssh is created, but it's empty. `sudo automount -f --debug` doesn't show any error, nor any attempt to connect via SSH
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• 396[01:39:58] <markybob> OndraG: well i think autofs is kind of shit but this is a good wiki replaced-url
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• 402[01:42:03] <OndraG> markybob: thanks... that's exactly the wiki I'm using for it... I have /etc/auto.master (it's on Debian) containg use of /etc/auto.ssh, and /etc/auto.ssh containing one line for a "ftp" directory... which then unfortuantely isn't created
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• 405[01:43:28] <markybob> OndraG: did you continue? to the ssh section? installed sshfs?
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• 407[01:43:36] <markybob> OndraG: it's right below
• 408[01:43:39] <OndraG> markybob: what is your prefered way of automounting SSHFS? or maybe this way: the problem is the SSHFS I use is not stable... so I need to remount it from time to time, but unfortunately "-o reconnect" doesn't help
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• 410[01:44:04] <OndraG> yes, I've got SSHFS installed and working, I can mount it manually, I would like to automatize it
• 411[01:44:06] <markybob> OndraG: i don't.
• 412[01:44:50] <g00se> The good thing about Flash was that i was able to terminate it it remotely by killing the player process. How am i going to be able to do that with Html5?
• 413[01:45:17] <arahael> g00se: You can terminate unresponsive scripts in good browsers.
• 414[01:45:19] <OndraG> maybe I'll just create a croned BASH script which will remount the location if it finds it unmounted... too bad AutoFS isn't working
• 415[01:46:02] <g00se> arahael: i need a way of doing it via ssh remotely
• 416[01:46:18] <g00se> (i.e. no gui involved)
• 417[01:46:19] <arahael> g00se: You're running html5 over ssh?
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• 419[01:47:32] <g00se> Someone else would be using their browser
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• 421[01:48:43] <arahael> g00se: What's the problem you're trying to solve?
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• 423[01:49:12] <g00se> Stopping the annoyance of remote sound/video
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• 427[01:49:48] <arahael> Good browsers also deal with that, too.
• 428[01:49:50] <g00se> Easy with killall plugin-container
• 429[01:50:07] <arahael> You can tell which tab is making sounds, as well, even.
• 430[01:50:22] <arahael> And even proactively stop them. There should be exxtensions, too, if all else fails.
• 431[01:51:04] <g00se> Imagine you have an ssh account on my machine. You want to stop me making a noise with my browser that you can hear
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• 436[01:52:29] * g00se might have to settle for turning down the mixer
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• 438[01:52:40] <arahael> Let me get this straight. I have an ssh account on *your* machine. You're running a browser on *your* machine. Meanwhile, I am taking care of my own business, and somehow, *you* are making *my* computer make a sound?
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• 443[01:53:59] <arahael> I'm struggling to understand why there would be any confusion. Am I running the web browser remotely from this ssh account? And are you using the *same* account? (Ie, no user separation)
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• 445[01:54:09] <Veronica-M> hello
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• 447[01:55:23] <Veronica-M> how do you match PCI id numbers to actual devices? lspci shows controller this or that but what's behind them? how to match say /dev/sdb?
• 448[01:55:55] <Veronica-M> #linux is dumb
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• 454[01:58:31] <axc1298> by using fdisk
• 455[01:58:37] <axc1298> #veronica is dumb
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• 457[01:59:05] <arahael> Besides, /dev/sdb might not even *have* a PCI entry.
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• 461[02:00:00] <arahael> g00se: I'm not suggesting that there is something wrong, only that I don't understand the setup you have. My conclusion, is that you're doing something weird. :)
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• 463[02:00:50] <Stanto> arahael: I think they're suggesting that, for example, you're minding your own business watching youtube and you're in close vicinity to them, but they want you to stop being noisy with youtube, so they want to remote into your computer and kill the audio on the video
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• 466[02:02:25] <Stanto> arahael: So in the past it was straightforward, they would kill the plugin container for flash. However now it's html5, what do you kill? is effectively the question.
• 467[02:03:02] <arahael> Stanto: Which might well make sense if you're running an internet cafe. In any case... If you're killing their content, does it matter if the content is flash or html5? Just kill it.
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• 469[02:03:18] <arahael> Stanto: Though frankly, controlling the mixer is a better solution, really.
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• 471[02:03:40] <Stanto> Yes, I agree, if it's the audio that's being the annoyance.
• 472[02:04:35] <arahael> Even better would be good manners: "Excuse me, do you mind turning the volume down, or using headsets? Thanks, I'm trying to study..."
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• 474[02:05:03] <siac> Hi, I have this error "pch transcoder a fifo underrun" on booting the system
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• 477[02:05:16] <Epakai> Veronica-M: i don't know any way to associate a particular disk with it's pci controller, you can use tools like hdparm or lshw to view a drive's model or serial number and match it with the physical drive
• 478[02:05:33] <arahael> Veronica-M: Keep in mind that it might not even have a pci controller.
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• 481[02:06:38] <Veronica-M> I've used lshw, lsblk, lspci and can't see how they connect...this is weird...why would the KVM gui ask this way
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• 484[02:07:50] <arahael> Veronica-M: That's perhaps the real question. What is the KVM gui asking for, and why.
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• 487[02:09:43] <Veronica-M> arahael: i gives an option to add host's hrdware to the guest and lists the pci id's and names like "controller" such and such but not the actual devices ( /dev/sdb) and I see no easy way to map the pci id's to the dev's
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• 490[02:10:19] <Spec> is this like pci pass through magic?
• 491[02:10:29] <arahael> Veronica-M: You don't normally share the hard drives using pci pass through.
• 492[02:10:33] <Veronica-M> there is an option to add /dev/sdb via virsh , but i need via GUI for people who don't know better
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• 494[02:10:42] <Veronica-M> arahael: how then?
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• 496[02:11:00] <Veronica-M> arahael: add it to storage pool and then that to the guest?
• 497[02:11:18] <arahael> Veronica-M: Yes. I'm not a KVM user - I use VMware at work, but yeah, definitely go the storage pool route.
• 498[02:12:03] <Veronica-M> arahael: and will it give the entire /dev/sdb to the guest?
• 499[02:12:21] <Epakai> udevadm info -q all -n /dev/sda|grep DEVPATH gives a pci device, not sure if that's what you're looking for
• 500[02:13:00] <Veronica-M> spec: yes , passthrough is what i need...btw did it with USB and the guest took the entire bus paralizing the host
• 501[02:13:08] <arahael> Veronica-M: Depends on how you provide it. Personally I suggest using a virtual harddrive for guests. And perhaps to configure remote storage explictly via some sort of NAS.
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• 503[02:14:02] <arahael> Veronica-M: Though, if you have really specialised (server) hardware, it might be worth trying other options, but I wouldn't worry about "a GUI for people who don't know better" in that case.
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• 505[02:14:36] <Veronica-M> Epakai: that's getting warmer, I'll see if it does it
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• 507[02:15:32] <luxio> 8:15 PM <luxio> This good for root filesystem? replaced-url
• 508[02:15:35] <arahael> Veronica-M: Your original question makes a lot more sense given this context, btw. :)
• 509[02:15:46] <jmcnaught> Veronica-M: why are you trying to give VMs direct access to disks through PCI? For performance?
• 510[02:16:17] <Veronica-M> jmcnaught: long story :)
• 511[02:16:24] <Veronica-M> gotta run
• 512[02:16:25] <Veronica-M> thanx
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• 521[02:19:57] <luxio> How do I configure my /boot partition?
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• 523[02:20:00] <luxio> What settings?
• 524[02:20:05] <luxio> And /swap?
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• 526[02:21:28] <arahael> jmcnaught: I wondered the same.
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• 528[02:22:01] <jmcnaught> arahael: it sounds like a bad idea, i was going to chime in about using storage pools but i guess i was too slow
• 529[02:22:20] <luxio> replaced-url
• 530[02:22:22] <potus> so my video is on youtube in 4k! YAY.. if anyone here has a 4k display please let me know how it turned out compared to my other 1080p videos.
• 531[02:22:26] <luxio> Will I be able to boot from that?
• 532[02:22:29] <arahael> jmcnaught: Already suggested. It was ignored. :/
• 533[02:22:30] <potus> replaced-url
• 534[02:22:33] <luxio> The top ones are all windows
• 535[02:22:37] <luxio> The bottom ones should be linux
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• 585[02:53:32] <andril> thanks for all the help :) replaced-url
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• 592[02:58:29] <potus> hell yeah
• 593[02:58:41] <potus> hoist the coluors penguin
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• 599[03:00:55] <JRWR> Trying to setup GlusterFS {3.5.2}, Both boxes are connected over a tinc connect and confirmed working ok, glusterfs is having a hard time adding peers, it just hard locks and never completes, it just locks up with the log line of 0-glusterfs: transport.address-family not specified. Could not guess default value from (remote-host:(null) -- my command is gluster peer probe 10.10.xx.xx
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• 601[03:01:27] <luxio> How do I install make without an internet connection?
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• 610[03:05:46] <Thom_> Hey all, Linux/Raspbian n00b here, sorry to bother you. I'm trying to get mtr to work on terminal/ssh interface and I can't get it to work via curses mtr -t 8.8.8 doesn't do anything Is there something else I need to set up? it will launch from the gui just fine
• 611[03:05:59] <Thom_> Wow, punctuation fail
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• 613[03:06:20] <markybob> !raspbian
• 614[03:06:20] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 615[03:06:21] <jmcnaught> luxio: you'd need to use one of the large iso images that includes more packages
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• 618[03:06:45] <luxio> errgh. I'll just use keryx
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• 626[03:10:45] <jmcnaught> luxio: i might've misunderstood your question, i thought you meant "install debian". if you need to install packages on a system w/o a network connection, you could copy the .debs over from another computer and use dpkg -i.
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• 628[03:11:05] <luxio> oh
• 629[03:11:06] <jmcnaught> luxio: there's also some info in dpkg the bot about this: /msg dpkg apt-zip
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• 633[03:13:20] <luxio> Woo! Thank so much jmcnaught
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• 635[03:14:00] <jmcnaught> luxio: i checked out your video from earlier (not in 4K though). very interesting concept :)
• 636[03:14:20] <jmcnaught> luxio: hah oh wait that wasn't you
• 637[03:14:23] <luxio> hehe
• 638[03:14:31] <luxio> no worries
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• 640[03:14:46] * jmcnaught multitasking poorly.
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• 647[03:15:58] <jmcnaught> potus: i checked out your video, not in 4K, pretty interesting concept :)
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• 651[03:17:45] <luxio> jmcnaught: What about dependencies?
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• 653[03:18:21] <markybob> luxio: apt-zip takes care of that
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• 657[03:19:45] <luxio> I don't have internet
• 658[03:20:04] <luxio> I only have 1 debian machine
• 659[03:20:11] <dioz> gimme a shell
• 660[03:20:40] <luxio> I have ChromeOS's crosh
• 661[03:21:02] <luxio> that's gentoo-based though
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• 665[03:22:28] <potus> jmcnaught: i can't figure out why it's not coming in 4k.. i busted my ass for 4 days in cinelerra
• 666[03:22:36] <markybob> luxio: you said make. what deps are you complaining about? look at the deps. replaced-url
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• 668[03:22:48] <luxio> markybob: well now I need gcc to compile
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• 670[03:23:33] <markybob> luxio: well start downloading from packages.debian.org if you can't use apt-zip
• 671[03:23:51] <luxio> so I have to download each individual package from the dependency tree?
• 672[03:23:53] <luxio> omg
• 673[03:23:59] <jmcnaught> luxio: if you don't have another debian system that is networked, using CD or DVDs and adding them with apt-cdrom is probably simplest. "/msg dpkg cd contents" for how to see which packages are on which cd
• 674[03:24:04] <luxio> i'm just trying to install my internet drivecr
• 675[03:24:20] <luxio> driver*
• 676[03:24:26] <markybob> luxio: laptop?
• 677[03:24:31] <luxio> desktop
• 678[03:24:37] <jmcnaught> luxio: you should have just said that! what network adapter is it?
• 679[03:24:41] <luxio> it's ralink so I have to use some sketchy third party driver
• 680[03:24:50] <luxio> they don't provide linux drivers
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• 682[03:25:24] <jmcnaught> luxio: find out the PCI ID for us with "lspci -nn | grep -i net", come back with the number that looks like [1234:abcd]
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• 684[03:26:02] <luxio> 1814:3290, jmcnaught
• 685[03:26:23] <jmcnaught> judd: pciid 1814:3290
• 686[03:26:24] <judd> [1814:3290] is 'RT3290 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe' from 'Ralink corp.' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
• 687[03:26:48] <luxio> see?
• 688[03:27:09] <jmcnaught> luxio: that sucks.. you don't have another network connection (ethernet) or adapter that can be used?
• 689[03:27:11] <luxio> i might have to order a wifi dongle
• 690[03:27:20] <luxio> jmcnaught: my modem is downstairs
• 691[03:27:29] <luxio> i'm just gonna order a wifi dongle
• 692[03:27:48] <jmcnaught> luxio: you can try compiling their drivers from their website, but it's going to break every time there's a new kernel package
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• 697[03:29:45] <luxio> jmcnaught: How would this work even if I bought a wifi dongle?
• 698[03:29:54] <luxio> Wouldn't I have to compile that every time too?
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• 700[03:30:12] <jmcnaught> luxio: not if you get a wifi adapter that is supported by debian
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• 704[03:30:46] <jim> can you bring your machine downstairs? (and, you do have an ethernet jack on your computer?)
• 705[03:30:57] <luxio> err, I could.
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• 708[03:31:46] <jim> maybe if you did, that could make it easier to install build dependencies if it comes to that
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• 711[03:32:51] <dioz> apt-get install build-essential
• 712[03:33:02] <dioz> which should come installed by default IMO
• 713[03:33:11] <luxio> ?
• 714[03:33:16] <luxio> would that work without an internet connection?
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• 716[03:33:17] <luxio> also
• 717[03:33:21] <markybob> no
• 718[03:33:35] <luxio> 9:27 PM <jmcnaught> luxio: you can try compiling their drivers from their website, but it's going to break every time there's a new kernel package
• 719[03:33:38] <luxio> so I'm going to have to get a whole new wifi adapter
• 720[03:33:52] <dioz> which wifi adapter is it?
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• 722[03:34:01] <luxio> 9:26 PM <judd> [1814:3290] is 'RT3290 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe' from 'Ralink corp.' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
• 723[03:34:01] <dioz> do a lspci or lsusb or whatever
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• 727[03:34:25] <dioz> show me the lsusb or lspci
• 728[03:34:43] <markybob> dioz: you probably shouldn't jump in at the end
• 729[03:34:43] <luxio> lspci 1814:3290
• 730[03:34:45] <jmcnaught> dioz: we got the pciid a few minutes ago
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• 732[03:34:56] <luxio> judd: lspci 1814:3290
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• 736[03:35:45] <jmcnaught> luxio: the judd command is pciid, but it won't have a new answer
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• 739[03:36:11] <luxio> yeah, so uh
• 740[03:36:14] <luxio> should i just dump linux
• 741[03:36:23] <luxio> it seems i'm running out of options
• 742[03:36:44] <TomTomTosch> or, you know, buy a 5$ dongle that works.
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• 744[03:36:57] <luxio> I don't know where to find those
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• 746[03:37:05] <luxio> (one that is supported by debian)
• 747[03:37:35] <dioz> you tried the firmware in the non-free repos?
• 748[03:37:43] <luxio> dioz: huh?
• 749[03:37:47] <TomTomTosch> dioz, there is none.
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• 751[03:38:31] <luxio> unless anyone has a link to a dongle that's supported by debian, idunno what to do
• 752[03:38:54] <jmcnaught> luxio: before you purchase one, do a web search for the model and the word linux
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• 755[03:39:13] <TomTomTosch> luxio, if i buy hardware i usually check the debian wiki if it's supported or h-node.org, which lists if a device has free drivers.
• 756[03:39:25] <luxio> So many of these dongles have the placebo antenna
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• 758[03:39:33] <luxio> and it just wastes space
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• 761[03:40:02] <TomTomTosch> luxio, if you find something that you like you can check with us again.
• 762[03:40:09] <dioz> okay what's the device id?
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• 764[03:40:17] <markybob> dioz: seriously, stop it. talking out of your ass just confusses things.
• 765[03:40:24] <dioz> cause the device id y ou gave me is listed as supported
• 766[03:40:47] <luxio> so you want me to give you the same device id
• 767[03:40:52] <luxio> and expect that to change something?
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• 770[03:41:31] <dioz> replaced-url
• 771[03:41:54] <luxio> wat
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• 774[03:42:40] <luxio> huh
• 775[03:42:46] <jmcnaught> huh? maybe judd was lying
• 776[03:42:57] <luxio> lemme try that
• 777[03:43:13] <luxio> judd: you better not be lying
• 778[03:43:17] <luxio> or else i'll find you :o
• 779[03:43:20] <dioz> seriously markybob
• 780[03:43:22] <dioz> stop talking out your ass
• 781[03:43:26] <dioz> you're just confusing things
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• 783[03:43:33] <TomTomTosch> calm down.
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• 787[03:45:54] <TomTomTosch> the question now is, if the wiki is true or udd x)
• 788[03:46:20] <luxio> ph
• 789[03:46:21] <markybob> here's an honest question. how does one add/edit judd?
• 790[03:46:21] <luxio> oh
• 791[03:46:28] <luxio> well i can't apt-update without internet
• 792[03:46:31] <luxio> heh heh
• 793[03:46:51] <TomTomTosch> markybob, afaik it's an interface to UDD. so one has to file a bug against UDD.
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• 796[03:46:54] <luxio> s/apt-update/apt-get update
• 797[03:47:05] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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• 799[03:47:59] <jmcnaught> luxio: there's a download link here: replaced-url
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• 803[03:48:07] <luxio> ooo
• 804[03:49:13] <jmcnaught> dioz: good catch by the way, teach me to have faith in bots :)
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• 807[03:49:48] <dioz> when i seen ralink and heard unsupported
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• 809[03:49:51] <genoobie> okay
• 810[03:49:51] <dioz> i was like "what?"
• 811[03:50:12] <luxio> omg
• 812[03:50:12] <genoobie> I'm sure this question has been asked a million times...
• 813[03:50:13] <luxio> it worked
• 814[03:50:16] <luxio> it just worked
• 815[03:50:22] <luxio> this is a miracle
• 816[03:50:30] <genoobie> 1) how do I make myself part of a group so I can sudo
• 817[03:50:37] <genoobie> instead of su root
• 818[03:50:47] <markybob> genoobie: adduser foo sudo
• 819[03:50:52] <jmcnaught> luxio: there's a chapter in the install manual that covers how to deal with missing firmwares too by the way :)
• 820[03:51:16] <genoobie> markybob, does not work...
• 821[03:51:18] <markybob> genoobie: you need to log out and back in after that, of course
• 822[03:51:31] <genoobie> I saw that command and I tried it without success
• 823[03:51:38] <genoobie> I used sudo adduser foo sudo
• 824[03:51:53] <markybob> genoobie: you use sudo to try to add a user to sudo?
• 825[03:52:10] <genoobie> oh...duh...just figured it out I think...
• 826[03:52:15] <genoobie> su root
• 827[03:52:19] <genoobie> adduser foo sudo
• 828[03:52:19] <luxio> how do I run a .run
• 829[03:52:19] <markybob> yes
• 830[03:52:31] <dioz> luxio: ./ infront
• 831[03:52:39] <dioz> chmod +x file
• 832[03:52:45] <dioz> ./whatever.run
• 833[03:52:55] <genoobie> brb
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• 835[03:53:08] <luxio> permission denied?
• 836[03:53:10] <luxio> oh
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• 838[03:53:20] <jmcnaught> luxio: what's the .run? if it's a GPU driver don't do it
• 839[03:53:33] <luxio> OH WHY
• 840[03:53:41] <markybob> luxio: because it'll break everything
• 841[03:53:42] <dioz> i run latest nvidia driver on my debian box
• 842[03:53:43] <luxio> it errored anyway
• 843[03:53:45] <dioz> everytime x is updated
• 844[03:53:49] <jmcnaught> luxio: same as compiling network drivers, it breaks regularly
• 845[03:53:51] <dioz> you'll have to run the installer again
• 846[03:53:53] <dioz> for the nvidia driver
• 847[03:54:01] <luxio> ok, so how do I install the driver?
• 848[03:54:05] <jmcnaught> dioz: there are debian packages you know
• 849[03:54:07] <dioz> which driver?
• 850[03:54:10] <luxio> nvidia
• 851[03:54:29] <jmcnaught> luxio: replaced-url
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• 854[03:54:46] <markybob> luxio: and if you have optimus you need to say so
• 855[03:54:47] <dioz> i think it's non-free
• 856[03:54:52] <genoobie> markybob, okay I think all is good
• 857[03:54:52] <jmcnaught> luxio: do it the debian way and it will just work, even during updates
• 858[03:54:56] <dioz> and i think it's called nvidia-driver
• 859[03:55:05] <genoobie> markybob, there's another issue
• 860[03:55:05] <dioz> you'll have to edit your sources.list.d
• 861[03:55:12] <genoobie> I have sound back and the wireless is borked...
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• 864[03:55:31] <genoobie> wl failed blah blah blah
• 865[03:55:37] <genoobie> I want to use b43 as the driver
• 866[03:55:52] <luxio> The command they give doesn't owrk
• 867[03:55:53] <genoobie> so if I do rmmod wl and then modprobe b43 it's ok
• 868[03:56:01] <genoobie> but it's not permanent
• 869[03:56:05] <luxio> such a release is not availabel in the sources or sometihng
• 870[03:56:09] <dioz> luxio:
• 871[03:56:17] <dioz> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
• 872[03:56:17] <genoobie> how do I totally get rid of wl and use b43 instead...
• 873[03:56:23] <dioz> see if you ahve non-free listed anywhere
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• 875[03:56:42] <luxio> yes
• 876[03:56:45] <luxio> i added that myself
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• 878[03:56:53] <genoobie> hrm....
• 879[03:56:54] <dioz> apt-cache search nvidia
• 880[03:56:58] <luxio> deb replaced-url
• 881[03:57:09] <genoobie> dioz, what are you trying to do?
• 882[03:57:12] <dioz> that host works?
• 883[03:57:20] <markybob> sure it works
• 884[03:57:21] <luxio> ?
• 885[03:57:23] <dioz> genoobie: i'm not trying to do anything
• 886[03:57:35] <genoobie> oh, okay.
• 887[03:57:35] <markybob> !httpredir
• 888[03:57:36] <dpkg> To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb replaced-url
• 889[03:57:39] <luxio> there's a "nvidia-driver" package
• 890[03:57:43] <luxio> i will install that
• 891[03:57:55] <dioz> yah i thought that was the name of it
• 892[03:58:07] <jmcnaught> luxio: i did give you to a link with instructions if you'd rather not go by dioz's memory
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• 895[03:58:37] <dioz> markybob: i never knew that. that's cool
• 896[03:58:37] <luxio> "unmet dependencies"
• 897[03:58:49] <luxio> 9:55 PM <luxio> The command they give doesn't owrk
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• 900[03:58:56] <luxio> 9:56 PM <luxio> such a release is not availabel in the sources or sometihng
• 901[03:59:02] <luxio> i responded to your link
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• 905[03:59:06] <genoobie> if I dmesg | grep wl I get wl driver failed with code 21 and [wl_cfg80211....](null)
• 906[03:59:22] <genoobie> how do I stop everything to do with "wl" and use b43 instead?
• 907[03:59:46] <genoobie> would modprobe -r wl && modprobe b43 make the change permanently?
• 908[03:59:52] <markybob> !blacklist
• 909[03:59:52] <dpkg> To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. replaced-url
• 910[04:00:01] <potus> genoobie: welcome back
• 911[04:00:08] <genoobie> hey ptus
• 912[04:00:12] <genoobie> potus I mean
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• 914[04:00:31] <potus> i posted my install video while u was gone
• 915[04:00:55] <genoobie> potus install what?
• 916[04:00:58] <okee> Has anyone every figured out how to correct the following problem? replaced-url
• 917[04:01:03] <luxio> jmcnaught:
• 918[04:01:03] <genoobie> I guess I didn't see
• 919[04:01:06] <genoobie> link>
• 920[04:01:09] <luxio> pinging you in case you didn't see that
• 921[04:01:32] <okee> I don't understand why I am getting i386 updates. I am on on AMD64.
• 922[04:01:53] <genoobie> brb just going to see if the change I made went permanently
• 923[04:01:53] <potus> it never came up as 4k like it was suppose to.. re-rendering now 11 hours left =(
• 924[04:01:55] <jmcnaught> okee: you probably have multi-arch set up
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• 926[04:02:09] <okee> jmcnaught> How do I find out?
• 927[04:02:26] <markybob> Ooze: have you gone to openprinting.org tonight?
• 928[04:02:35] <jmcnaught> luxio: make a paste of the command and complete output on replaced-url
• 929[04:02:35] <okee> jmcnaught> I don't see anything in the sources.list, that suggest multi-arch is being accessed.
• 930[04:02:36] <markybob> okee: ^
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• 932[04:02:55] <markybob> okee: their main page is giving a permission denied. looks like they're having problems
• 933[04:02:57] <okee> markybob> Whats up.
• 934[04:03:15] <okee> markybob> Jessie is giving everyone the hickups.....hickup, hickup......
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• 936[04:03:40] <okee> markybob> There are problems with Mozilla as well, and it too errors out.
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• 938[04:03:52] <jmcnaught> okee: "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures"
• 939[04:03:56] <genoobie> !blacklist
• 940[04:03:57] <dpkg> To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. replaced-url
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• 942[04:03:57] <markybob> okee: this has nothing to do with jessie. it has to do with you using third party repos and it looks like their servers are having issues
• 943[04:04:00] <luxio> paste.debian.net/hidden/a2e49912/
• 944[04:04:14] <luxio> jmcnaught:
• 945[04:04:24] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell genoobie about selftell
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• 947[04:04:50] <okee> markybob> What I don't understand is why Mozilla is even in the sources.list file, if it has been an accepted source? Please explain.
• 948[04:04:54] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell luxio about bdo
• 949[04:05:22] <jmcnaught> okee: you put mozilla.debian.net there, that's why
• 950[04:05:25] <markybob> okee: i don't know what you put in your sources.list. i know you had some ppa in there earlier. that's not right in debian.
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• 952[04:05:46] <luxio> so I add "deb replaced-url
• 953[04:05:51] <luxio> to the sources.list?
• 954[04:06:09] <jmcnaught> okee: can you please make a proper paste of the command and output on replaced-url
• 955[04:06:20] <genoobie> jmcnaught, what's the syntax?
• 956[04:06:30] <genoobie> "/msg dpkg blacklist" for example?
• 957[04:06:44] <jmcnaught> genoobie: yes, or see the topic for examples :P
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• 959[04:06:57] <genoobie> jmcnaught, I tried that syntax and it did not work
• 960[04:07:00] <TomTomTosch> luxio, without the quotes.
• 961[04:07:04] <okee> jmcnaught> The folowing is my sources.list Should I completely remove mozilla, since it is now in the repositories? replaced-url
• 962[04:07:21] <jmcnaught> genoobie: did you get a private message from the bot, possibly in another tab or window?
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• 964[04:07:35] <markybob> okee: jesus so much wrong there
• 965[04:07:47] <markybob> !dotdeb
• 966[04:07:48] <dpkg> replaced-url
• 967[04:07:56] <genoobie> It seems to work only if the private message is not already opened
• 968[04:08:03] <luxio> TomTomTosch: jmcnaught that STILL doesn't work
• 969[04:08:08] <markybob> okee: you didn't read when i told you realier about dont break debian, did you?
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• 971[04:08:23] <genoobie> jmcnaught, I got it...all good
• 972[04:08:30] <jmcnaught> luxio: you can use the same mirror server as your other repos in sources.list (eg httpredir.debian.org instead of backports.debian.org, see the instructions link in the message from dpkg
• 973[04:08:31] <TomTomTosch> luxio, ait, i'm a derp. you take the jessie line and just change jessie to jessie-backports
• 974[04:08:44] <luxio> TomTomTosch: that isn ot working
• 975[04:08:56] <luxio> jmcnaught: I tried both the line from the iwiki and what I said
• 976[04:08:58] <luxio> none of this is wrorking
• 977[04:09:00] <genoobie> okay, I know this sounds stupid, but last time I installed debian, I don't recall that I blacklisted anything and enabled b43
• 978[04:09:00] <joaumg> hello, anyone know how much time will the xscreensaver will take to get a new stable version ?
• 979[04:09:14] <TomTomTosch> luxio, you forgot to apt-get update afterwards.
• 980[04:09:18] <markybob> joaumg: it might not even happen. we're not sure. it's fixed in unstable.
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• 982[04:09:28] <jmcnaught> okee: i've asked you a few times now for a proper paste of the output of the command you're using and the output, not an imgur link please
• 983[04:09:28] <genoobie> are there other commands that make a permanent change?
• 984[04:09:34] <okee> jmcnaught> The following is complete print out of the results from update, and it continues to hang, and not complete, on openprinting.org replaced-url
• 985[04:09:38] <jmcnaught> luxio: did you run "apt-get update" after adding the new repo?
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• 987[04:09:54] <okee> jmcnaught> The command is apt-get update
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• 989[04:10:05] <joaumg> markybob: yeah, but the "distro is doing a disservice" is leading to a lot of fuzz for some people...
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• 991[04:10:14] <jmcnaught> okee: thanks :) what is the output of "ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/dl.google.com_linux_chrome_deb_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages" ?
• 992[04:10:35] <luxio> now I'm getting unmet dependencies, jmcnaught
• 993[04:10:37] <jmcnaught> okee: or just "ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/partial"
• 994[04:10:37] <markybob> joaumg: yes but there's two very easy fixes. a patch (in the bug report) or use light-locker
• 995[04:10:48] <jmcnaught> luxio: use a paste please, i can't see your screen
• 996[04:11:14] <joaumg> markybob: any way to fast ssh into 60 machines to do the change fast and simple ? '-'
• 997[04:11:21] <markybob> also:
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• 999[04:11:30] <markybob> ,checkbackport xscreensaver
• 1000[04:11:32] <judd> Backporting package xscreensaver in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual.
• 1001[04:11:39] <luxio> jmcnaught: paste.debian.net/hidden/8f5408ca/
• 1002[04:11:54] <jmcnaught> joaumg: if it happens it will be in a point release, and one just happened. also a fast way to ssh into 60 machines and change them all is ansible
• 1003[04:12:10] <okee> jmcnaught> The following is the results to ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/dl.google.com replaced-url
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• 1005[04:12:33] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell luxio about bat
• 1006[04:12:50] <okee> jmcnaught> Shouldn't there be a file for dl.google.com in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ ??
• 1007[04:12:51] <markybob> joaumg: sure. pssh for example
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• 1010[04:13:08] <jmcnaught> okee: try without the file name, just /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/
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• 1012[04:13:33] <joaumg> markybob: will look into it, thanks
• 1013[04:13:38] <jmcnaught> luxio: most likely you're missing something in your sources.list
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• 1018[04:14:45] <okee> jmcnaught> Folder is still not found replaced-url
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• 1022[04:15:25] <jmcnaught> okee: read that again :P you typed "dl" instead of "ls", and the command "dl" was not found
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• 1024[04:15:41] <okee> jmcnaught> Even though there is no results with ls -l, I am able to cd to the folder, and there is quite a lot in there.
• 1025[04:16:25] <jmcnaught> okee: you made a typo in the command. try again please, and try to interpret the errors yourself
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• 1027[04:16:34] <luxio> 1. replaced-url
• 1028[04:16:40] <luxio> 2. replaced-url
• 1029[04:16:46] <luxio> 3. replaced-url
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• 1031[04:17:13] <okee> jmcnaught> The following is a complete print out replaced-url
• 1032[04:17:26] <markybob> luxio: pastebin your sources.list
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• 1036[04:18:21] <luxio> markybob: replaced-url
• 1037[04:19:04] <markybob> luxio: when getting nvidia from backports you want to add contrib non-free to your backports line
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• 1039[04:19:19] <markybob> luxio: then obviously apt-get update
• 1040[04:20:22] <luxio> this is still not working
• 1041[04:20:23] <markybob> tag. smoke break.
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• 1044[04:21:17] <jmcnaught> okee: your paste replaced-url
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• 1047[04:22:13] <jmcnaught> luxio: line 12 in your replaced-url
• 1048[04:22:32] <luxio> and I did, because markybob said to
• 1049[04:22:40] <TomTomTosch> still the same msg ?
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• 1051[04:22:50] <luxio> yes
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• 1057[04:23:28] <TomTomTosch> what does 'aptitude why-not libgl1-nvidia-glx' say?
• 1058[04:23:53] <luxio> bash: aptitude: commad not found
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• 1060[04:24:00] <luxio> s/commad/command
• 1061[04:24:08] <dvs> luxio, then try "apt-get"
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• 1063[04:24:29] <luxio> E: Invalid operation why-not
• 1064[04:24:32] <luxio> :^)
• 1065[04:24:45] <jmcnaught> apt-get doesn't have a why-not command, but you can use apt-get to install aptitude.
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• 1067[04:25:08] <luxio> uh-oh...
• 1068[04:25:15] <luxio> I'm getting the same error as that nvidia package.
• 1069[04:25:19] * TomTomTosch thought aptitude was default.
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• 1073[04:26:43] <jmcnaught> aptitude is "standard" priority, you'd have to uncheck "standard tools" in the tasksel screen to not get it
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• 1076[04:27:54] <TomTomTosch> heh, good to know.
• 1077[04:27:55] <jmcnaught> luxio: how about the nvidia-driver from jessie, not jessie-backports: replaced-url
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• 1080[04:28:39] <luxio> jmcnaught: I don't have aptitude.
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• 1082[04:28:53] <luxio> err
• 1083[04:28:55] <jmcnaught> luxio: what does "uname -a" say? if you're going to use the nvidia-driver from backports but not a kernel from backports, you should make sure your relevant linux-headers package is installed first
• 1084[04:29:04] <luxio> I don't have aptitude INSTALLED, that is
• 1085[04:29:10] <jmcnaught> luxio: "apt-get install aptitude"
• 1086[04:29:30] <luxio> jmcnaught: Like I said, same error as the nvidia package
• 1087[04:29:34] <luxio> Linux localhost 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-1 (2016-03-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 1088[04:30:03] <jmcnaught> luxio: the error for "apt-get install aptitude" is exactly the same as trying to install nvidia-driver?
• 1089[04:30:09] <luxio> Yes.
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• 1091[04:30:34] <jmcnaught> luxio: you'll need to make another paste for us to help you
• 1092[04:30:48] <luxio> of...?
• 1093[04:31:11] <jmcnaught> luxio: the command and complete output of "apt-get install aptitude"
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• 1095[04:31:31] <markybob> and i'd like to see another sources.list update
• 1096[04:31:46] <luxio> replaced-url
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• 1098[04:32:15] <luxio> sources.list update: replaced-url
• 1099[04:32:23] <TomTomTosch> oh my.
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• 1101[04:32:54] <jmcnaught> luxio: try removing the gcc package: "apt-get remove gcc"
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• 1104[04:33:32] <luxio> ...that worked.
• 1105[04:33:38] <luxio> was that my problem this entire time
• 1106[04:33:43] <luxio> was that really my problem this entire time
• 1107[04:33:51] <markybob> luxio: you should uncomment line 19 btw
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• 1109[04:33:58] <jmcnaught> luxio: maybe..
• 1110[04:34:04] <dvs> luxio, That's what the error message said
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• 1112[04:35:53] <luxio> got a lot of error messages here
• 1113[04:35:55] <luxio> replaced-url
• 1114[04:36:03] <luxio> it told me to reboot so i'm rebooting. brb
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• 1116[04:36:22] <dvs> luxio, "W:" means warning
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• 1118[04:36:30] <markybob> luxio: that's all in firmware-realtek
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• 1120[04:36:42] <jmcnaught> luxio: you should probably wait a moment and make sure you did the configuration parts of the instructions
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• 1123[04:38:16] <luxio> uhh
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• 1125[04:38:26] <luxio> i'm stuck at 800x600 resolution
• 1126[04:38:27] <luxio> i think
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• 1132[04:39:36] <jmcnaught> luxio: replaced-url
• 1133[04:40:02] <jmcnaught> luxio: putting your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on the paste site will help
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• 1137[04:41:46] <luxio> jmcnaught: it's hard to do that with a resolution of 800x600
• 1138[04:41:57] <jmcnaught> !pastebinit
• 1139[04:41:57] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
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• 1141[04:42:13] <jmcnaught> luxio: try installing/using that ^
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• 1148[04:43:12] <jmcnaught> luxio: there might've also be DKMS related errors when you installed nvidia-driver? You showed us some firmware related warnings, but those were for your ethenet card probably
• 1149[04:43:15] <luxio> jmcnaught: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit?
• 1150[04:43:39] <jmcnaught> luxio: yeah, assuming pastebinit is installed
• 1151[04:43:54] <luxio> replaced-url
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• 1155[04:45:00] <genoobie> okay
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• 1157[04:45:05] <genoobie> I got my wlan working
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• 1159[04:45:10] <genoobie> it was not a blacklist issue
• 1160[04:45:25] <jmcnaught> luxio: "apt-cache policy linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64 | pastebinit"
• 1161[04:45:56] <luxio> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 1163[04:46:20] <genoobie> I had to sudo apt-get purge broadcom-sta*
• 1164[04:46:35] <genoobie> (because it was still trying to use "wl")
• 1165[04:46:48] <genoobie> and after that the b43 driver loads...
• 1166[04:46:56] <genoobie> something tells me the wl driver should work
• 1167[04:47:19] <genoobie> but if I remember right I followed all the directions on the debian wl page and it still did not work
• 1168[04:47:55] <genoobie> anyhow, the question I have regards nVidia
• 1169[04:48:02] <jmcnaught> luxio: so i warned you about this before you installed nvidia-driver, but maybe you missed it. nvidia-driver compiled for the kernel that's in backports, but you're using the stock jessie kernel. First remove linux-headers-amd64 package with apt-get remove. Then install the package again (but do not use the -t jessie-backports option). Then finally do "apt-get --reinstall -t jessie-backports install nvid
• 1170[04:48:08] <jmcnaught> ia-driver"
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• 1173[04:49:07] <luxio> jmcnaught: Wait, I'm installing "linux-headers-amd64" again?
• 1174[04:49:11] <luxio> or nivida-driver?
• 1175[04:49:33] <genoobie> my dmesg is spitting an error lines 767-770 here...replaced-url
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• 1177[04:49:44] <genoobie> so I know that I have to use the legacy driver
• 1178[04:49:59] <genoobie> right now the machine is trying to use the 340.96 I believe
• 1179[04:50:14] <jmcnaught> luxio: both. because you didn't install linux-headers-amd64 first, it got pulled in as a dependency of nvidia-driver. Because you installed nvidia-driver from backports, it also fetched linux-headers-amd64 from backports.
• 1180[04:50:39] <jmcnaught> luxio: but you don't use a kernel from backports, notice the mismatch in versions in your replaced-url
• 1181[04:50:45] <genoobie> I think the legacy nvidia driver blacklists nouveua
• 1182[04:50:50] <genoobie> which is fien
• 1183[04:51:01] <genoobie> but here's the problem.
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• 1185[04:51:43] <genoobie> if I follow the guide here....replaced-url
• 1186[04:51:48] <luxio> 1. apt-get uninstall linux-headers-amd64
• 1187[04:51:49] <genoobie> I end up at a console screen
• 1188[04:51:53] <luxio> 2. apt-get install linux-headers-amd64
• 1189[04:52:05] <luxio> 3. that reinstall command for nvidia
• 1190[04:52:11] <luxio> those are the 3 commands i used, is that correct
• 1191[04:52:19] <genoobie> I need to get rid of the 340.96 drivers first without losing the other nvidia stuff
• 1192[04:52:35] <markybob> luxio: your headers were right. your image wasnt. linux-image-amd64
• 1193[04:52:40] <jmcnaught> hey let's all stop using <enter> as punctuation so we're not difficult to follow!
• 1194[04:52:51] <genoobie> any tips?
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• 1196[04:53:44] <jmcnaught> luxio: "apt-get remove linux-headers-amd64 && apt-get install linux-headers-amd64"... then you need to reinstall the nvidia driver from backports
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• 1198[04:54:07] <luxio> jmcnaught: ok. now what, reboot?
• 1199[04:54:17] <genoobie> oh, maybe the 304.131 driver doesn't support the sound?
• 1200[04:54:20] <jmcnaught> luxio: or as markybob is suggesting, you could also start using the backports kernel"
• 1201[04:54:23] <jmcnaught> luxio: no
• 1202[04:55:02] <jmcnaught> luxio: did you reinstall the nvidia-driver package? did it tell you messages about recompiling a module? i'm not 100% sure this is the package you need to reinstall, it might be something like nvidia-dkms
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• 1204[04:55:10] <markybob> i'm going to sleep so i'm tagging out. good luck
• 1205[04:55:38] <glassresistor> im on debian strench and when i try to run a video with totem it says it can't play it over the network
• 1206[04:56:26] <luxio> jmcnaught: i didn't see anything about recomiling a module
• 1207[04:57:17] <jmcnaught> luxio: "apt-get --reinstall -t jessie-backports nvidia-kernel-dkms"
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• 1209[04:57:23] <glassresistor> even though it a local file on my laptop
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• 1211[04:57:44] <luxio> jmcnaught: E: Command line option --reinstall is not understood
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• 1213[04:57:47] <jmcnaught> luxio: if it says it builds the module okay, you still need to do the configuration steps from the nvidia wiki page i've linked earlier
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• 1216[04:58:47] <genoobie> night markybob
• 1217[04:59:08] <TomTomTosch> genoobie, what card do you have?
• 1218[04:59:16] <luxio> jmcnaught: E: Command line option --reinstall is not understood
• 1219[04:59:18] <jmcnaught> luxio: errr... i forgot the word "install" in there
• 1220[04:59:25] <genoobie> mobile...g6150 I think
• 1221[04:59:26] <luxio> oh
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• 1224[04:59:40] <genoobie> at least that's what dmesg says. TomTomTosch
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• 1229[05:00:29] <luxio> jmcnaught: ok, it said stuff about building
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• 1235[05:01:27] <jmcnaught> luxio: cool, don't forget to configure X before rebooting
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• 1241[05:02:15] <genoobie> TomTomTosch, my dmesg is here replaced-url
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• 1244[05:02:45] <TomTomTosch> genoobie, the 304.131 seems to be the correct one for your card. does it work apart from the sound?
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• 1248[05:03:01] <genoobie> well I haven't really tried it
• 1249[05:03:04] <genoobie> this is what happened
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• 1254[05:03:27] <genoobie> I installed debian yesterday
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• 1256[05:03:47] <genoobie> I wanted to use the 304.131 driver so I installed it (synaptic)
• 1257[05:03:53] <genoobie> that got me to a console screen
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• 1265[05:04:29] <genoobie> I wasn't sure what to do so I did apt-get purge nvidia-* and then I installed the driver again
• 1266[05:04:41] <jmcnaught> genoobie: sounds like you forgot to do this: replaced-url
• 1267[05:04:42] <genoobie> that got me out of console mode but my sound stopped working
• 1268[05:04:52] <genoobie> jmcnaught, no I did that
• 1269[05:05:12] <TomTomTosch> genoobie, did you check pavucontrol? and please try to not use enter instead of punctuation.
• 1270[05:05:34] <genoobie> after I installed the 304 legacy driver I made the subdir and made that three line Xorg file.
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• 1275[05:06:09] <genoobie> It seems like the 340.96 is conflicting somehow, but I'm not sure what to "uninstall" first before I install the 304.131
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• 1277[05:06:28] <genoobie> also not sure if the 304.131 properly blacklists the nouveau driver
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• 1281[05:06:52] <genoobie> also not sure if the 304.131 also contains the drivers for the sound card. Just very confused...
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• 1283[05:07:04] <TomTomTosch> the other nvidia driver was nvidia-kernel-dkms.
• 1284[05:07:05] <luxio> jmcnaught: no clue if this is related, but now my internet doesn't work
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• 1288[05:07:18] <luxio> it juts keeps spinning
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• 1290[05:07:24] <luxio> it shows the networks
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• 1292[05:07:31] <luxio> but it can't connect to them
• 1293[05:07:31] <genoobie> TomTomTosch, I see that the nvidia-kernel-dkms is installed
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• 1295[05:07:49] <genoobie> this is a machine that has a bunch of nvidia chipsets...
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• 1305[05:09:36] <genoobie> I guess I wish I understood the driver structure better in linux.
• 1306[05:09:40] <luxio> jmcnaught: now i rebooted and it just says "device not ready"
• 1307[05:10:53] <jmcnaught> luxio: does "dmesg | grep -i firmware" tell you errors about missing firmwares?
• 1308[05:12:36] <jmcnaught> genoobie: i would check pavucontrol or the sound settings of your desktop environment to see if it is defaulting output to the nvidia hdmi instead of your soundcard
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• 1310[05:12:42] <luxio> jmcnaught: it just tells me about failing to load
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• 1313[05:13:03] <genoobie> jmcnaught, I think we're conflating issues here
• 1314[05:13:10] <genoobie> I no longer have a sound issue
• 1315[05:13:38] <TomTomTosch> removing the other nvidia driver helped?
• 1316[05:13:39] <jmcnaught> genoobie: oh i see, sorry. you're a little difficult to follow when you space yourself out over multiple lines
• 1317[05:13:53] <luxio> jmcnaught: i see no errors relating directly to my internet driver (i don't think)
• 1318[05:14:09] <genoobie> I reinstalled the OS and the sound is restored. There is a dmesg err saying that the machine wants to use a 304.xx legacy driver
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• 1321[05:14:19] <jmcnaught> luxio: are you using network manager? can you still see a list of networks?
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• 1323[05:14:46] <genoobie> TomTomTosch, no.
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• 1327[05:15:17] <TomTomTosch> genoobie, 10 minutes ago you talked about sound issues, since then you reinstalled?
• 1328[05:15:21] <luxio> jmcnaught: how do I get to network manager
• 1329[05:15:29] <luxio> i'm using the icon at the top right, xfce
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• 1333[05:16:40] <leet> Heya
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• 1336[05:17:05] <jeffrey3234> on debain 8.4 with lightdm, I've uncommented these 2 lines from /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf: autologin-user = jeffrey, and: autologin-user-timeout = 0
• 1337[05:17:29] <genoobie> TomTomTosch, jmcnaught here's what happened. I installed jessie two days ago. My dmesg complained the wrong nvidia driver was being applied (340.96) and that I should be using the 304.131. So I went ahead and followed the directions here. replaced-url
• 1338[05:17:29] <genoobie> purge nvidia-* but in the process probably killed a few other drivers. When I did apt-get install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver my X was restored but then my sound was gone.
• 1339[05:17:30] <jeffrey3234> rebooted but it still promts for credentials
• 1340[05:17:36] <jeffrey3234> any ideas?\
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• 1345[05:18:38] <genoobie> TomTomTosch, and jmcnaught then I reinstalled the OS so I am back at square one. Everything works but dmesg is complaining about the wrong driver (340.96)
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• 1352[05:19:36] <genoobie> so I am unsure how, exactly, to proceed.
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• 1359[05:20:56] <ryouma> i am getting kernel oops frequently, ever since the 4th. is that when the kernel upgraded? i think so.
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• 1361[05:20:57] <k_sze[work]> I'm quite confused. How does Linux actually decide if I have the right to delete a directory or a file?
• 1362[05:21:02] <TomTomTosch> jeffrey3234, try again without the spaces.
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• 1364[05:21:38] <ryouma> how do i go back to the old kernel, or forward to a backports kernel? is it safe to do so?
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• 1367[05:23:28] <TomTomTosch> k_sze[work]: if you have directory write permissions you can delete a file.
• 1368[05:23:53] <ryouma> what package is the kernel?
• 1369[05:24:09] <k_sze[work]> TomTomTosch: as in /foo/bar and I want to delete bar, so I *only* need write permission on /foo?
• 1370[05:24:22] <jeffrey3234> TomTomTosch nah still didnt autologin
• 1371[05:24:32] <TomTomTosch> k_sze[work]: yes.
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• 1375[05:25:18] <k_sze[work]> TomTomTosch: even if I otherwise don't have any permission on bar via user/group?
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• 1378[05:25:52] <k_sze[work]> like, I don't even own bar as a user or group member.
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• 1380[05:26:48] <dvs> and there is no world write permissions
• 1381[05:26:56] <TomTomTosch> at least with rm -f
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• 1384[05:27:10] <k_sze[work]> yes, no world write permissions either.
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• 1387[05:29:06] <TomTomTosch> jeffrey3234: interestingly, the arch wiki enables some more stuff. replaced-url
• 1388[05:29:54] <jmcnaught> genoobie: is your card supported by that version of the nvidia driver? maybe you have to use the legacy driver. does it work with nouveau?
• 1389[05:29:54] <ryouma> my kernel is unstable. what are my options?
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• 1391[05:30:46] <genoobie> jmcnaught, which version?
• 1392[05:30:50] <jmcnaught> ryouma: it was working okay before the update?
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• 1394[05:31:10] <ryouma> jmcnaught: yeah
• 1395[05:31:16] <genoobie> my card is allegedly supported by the 304.131 version of the driver. My card does work with nouveau.
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• 1397[05:31:44] <ryouma> jmcnaught: the upgrade was on the 2nd and i have had oops since then, on the 4th and twice today. screen freezes. have to reboot.
• 1398[05:31:47] <jmcnaught> genoobie: the version you have installed, 340.96? my advice is to use nouveau because it's free software to be honest
• 1399[05:32:03] <genoobie> the dmesg says that it is trying to apply the 340.96 version of the driver and that my card is not supported by that version (340.96)
• 1400[05:32:25] <ryouma> jmcnaught: (totally non-responsive)
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• 1402[05:32:36] <genoobie> the dmesg is here and the complaints are on line 767-771 replaced-url
• 1403[05:32:39] <jmcnaught> ryouma: what architecture do you have? amd64?
• 1404[05:33:16] <ryouma> jmcnaught: yeah, intel quad core
• 1405[05:33:18] <jmcnaught> genoobie: what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log say you're using?
• 1406[05:34:26] <genoobie> jmcnaught, how do I pastebin a file
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• 1408[05:35:24] <jmcnaught> ryouma: you might still have the old package, check "ls /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-*"
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• 1410[05:36:11] <k_sze[work]> hmm, it doesn't work if /foo/bar is not empty.
• 1411[05:36:11] <ryouma> jmcnaught: nope
• 1412[05:36:15] <jmcnaught> ryouma: also reporting the bug with as much log info as you can provide will probably help get it resolves: replaced-url
• 1413[05:36:23] <ryouma> jmcnaught: i reported it
• 1414[05:36:26] <k_sze[work]> I mean not an empty directory.
• 1415[05:36:48] <jmcnaught> ryouma: does apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 report multiple versions available?
• 1416[05:37:16] <jmcnaught> genoobie: if you're in a GUI you could simply open the file in a text editor and copy/paste to the paste site. or use pastebinit
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• 1418[05:37:36] <jeffrey3234> TomTomTosch gahhh this tutorial says only 2 lines: replaced-url
• 1419[05:38:12] <ryouma> jmcnaught: it reports 3.16+63 0 is installed and there is a 4.4+71~bpo8+1 0
• 1420[05:38:35] <genoobie> jmcnaught, here's the xorg log replaced-url
• 1421[05:39:07] <ryouma> jmcnaught: does it seem like this might be a bug in the kernel as opposed to hardware, or too early to tell?
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• 1423[05:39:22] <TomTomTosch> jeffrey3234, if it works i will try to find the source in the docs and update the debian wiki.
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• 1425[05:39:45] <jmcnaught> ryouma: if you don't want to use the backports kernel, you find the previous version of the package on replaced-url
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• 1428[05:39:56] <genoobie> jmcnaught, looks like nouveau. The only reason I want to use the nvidia driver is because it seemed a bit smoother less jittery / jerky
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• 1432[05:40:40] <jmcnaught> ryouma: i don't know, it has happened in the past that a regression has been introduced in a kernel update. if you stop having the problem on an older kernel it's probably a kernel bug.
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• 1435[05:41:37] <ryouma> jmcnaught: should i not want to use the backports kernel?
• 1436[05:42:13] <jmcnaught> genoobie: yeah that looks like nouveau to me. i honestly don't know a lot about nvidia drivers and which cards need which driver. The instructions on replaced-url
• 1437[05:42:43] <genoobie> I understand. The instructions don't work though.
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• 1440[05:44:34] <jmcnaught> genoobie: they work for other people, you might have simply made a mistake. unfortunately it seems like an "enthusiast" has made the instructions longer and more difficult to follow by adding junk about installing from steam or the nvidia site (both are unsupported and not recommended)
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• 1445[05:45:41] <genoobie> okay, I will try the instructions again
• 1446[05:45:42] <jmcnaught> ryouma: read the backports FAQ: replaced-url
• 1447[05:46:06] <ryouma> jmcnaught: if i do use the backports kernel, is it possible to tell aptitude or apt-get that the next upgrade of the regular jessie kernel (which maybe fixes this bug if it is a bug, leap of faith) should blow away the backports kernel?
• 1448[05:46:16] <genoobie> I'm pretty sure that they don't work. I think there is a problem that the legacy driver doesn't properly blacklist the 340.96 driver
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• 1450[05:46:39] <genoobie> Let me follow these instructions though.
• 1451[05:46:57] <jmcnaught> genoobie: don't install the 340.96 driver then?
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• 1453[05:47:19] <genoobie> jmcnaught, it automatically installs during the installation of the OS
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• 1456[05:48:04] <genoobie> jmcnaught, before I try these directions out, is there any easy way to back out of the install so it reverts?
• 1457[05:48:04] <jmcnaught> genoobie: which OS is that then? nouveau is installed by default, not any of the nvidia drivers. or are you using something based on debian?
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• 1459[05:48:25] <genoobie> jmcnaught, this is debian jessie (8)
• 1460[05:48:34] <genoobie> maybe 8.4
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• 1462[05:48:52] <jmcnaught> genoobie: the way to revert is to remove/purge all of the nvidia packages, and remove the nouveau blacklist and xorg.conf stuff
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• 1464[05:48:59] <genoobie> anyhow jmcnaught if I do the commands on that page. How do I "undo" those same commands
• 1465[05:49:23] <TomTomTosch> you can leave the headers and remove the driver packages.
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• 1467[05:49:29] <TomTomTosch> *purge
• 1468[05:49:47] <genoobie> so this is the page I am going to follow replaced-url
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• 1470[05:50:01] <jmcnaught> genoobie: "aptitude search ~i~nnvidia" should list all of the packages with nvidia in the name. if the list looks sane (you can double check with a paste here), "aptitude purge ~i~nnvidia" would remove them all.
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• 1472[05:50:18] <jmcnaught> genoobie: if you already have the 340.96 version installed you might want to remove it completely first
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• 1474[05:50:30] <genoobie> jmcnaught, but this hardware has a bunch of stuff called "nVidia"
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• 1476[05:50:51] <genoobie> so if I do aptitude purge ~i~nnvidia I lose other stuff
• 1477[05:51:00] <genoobie> not just graphics (I think)
• 1478[05:51:10] <TomTomTosch> it's nvidia-kernel-dkms for just 340.96
• 1479[05:51:22] <jmcnaught> genoobie: that's why i suggested you double check here with a paste. you can also look up the description of each package that it proposes removing
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• 1481[05:51:39] <jeffrey3234> TomTomTosch heh cannot login now, even with root, cannot switch to ttyX either
• 1482[05:52:09] <genoobie> TomTomTosch, so if I do apt-get purge nvidia-kernel-dkms that will uninstall the 340.96?
• 1483[05:52:21] <TomTomTosch> jeffrey3234, that sucks. licecd, chroot, remove the config bits?
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• 1485[05:52:47] <jeffrey3234> TomTomTosch its a fresh install, easier to rebuild
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• 1487[05:53:32] <genoobie> I guess I would need to know how to back out of this command
• 1488[05:53:33] <genoobie> aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms
• 1489[05:53:41] <ryouma> i presume the previous version of the current jessie kernel is a bad idea because it was replaced for security reasons. therefore it seems prudent to try the backports version. but i want it to be replaced with the next edition of the current jessie kernel so i'm not always using backports. is this logic reasonable?
• 1490[05:53:44] <genoobie> there were a couple of prompts in that too iirc
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• 1492[05:53:50] <jeffrey3234> actually grub>recovery works. I did use the defaults for session-wrapper=, not session-wrapper=/etc/lightdm/Xsession
• 1493[05:54:45] <Bsims> genoobie: I've sometimes manually removed the problem package, ran the update and then reinstalled the package
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• 1495[05:55:29] <TomTomTosch> jeffrey3234, then put the comments back in for pam-service and pam-autologin
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• 1497[05:56:05] <genoobie> TomTomTosch, would that be as simple as "apt-get purge nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver ?
• 1498[05:57:03] <jeffrey3234> TomTomTosch from archwiki, would i need to edit /etc/pam.d/lightdm ?
• 1499[05:57:06] <jmcnaught> genoobie: if you install with "aptitude install nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms" and it pulls in extra dependencies, later if you run "aptitude purge nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms" it will also remove the dependencies. it will also ask first so you can double check.
• 1500[05:57:38] <genoobie> but I don't think the nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver is a dependency per se
• 1501[05:57:47] <TomTomTosch> jeffrey3234: no
• 1502[05:57:53] <jmcnaught> genoobie: if you use apt-get instead of aptitude, it doesn't remove the dependencies unless you follow it with a "apt-get autoremove"
• 1503[05:58:01] <genoobie> why aptitude versus apt-get?
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• 1506[05:58:23] <jmcnaught> genoobie: they're just different/similar tools
• 1507[05:58:37] <Bsims> genoobie: aptitude is the newer one if I recall correctly
• 1508[05:58:55] <TomTomTosch> jeffrey3234, btw, dpkg-reconfigure lightdm is possibly needed for the changes to take effect.
• 1509[05:59:03] <jeffrey3234> yeah been doing that
• 1510[05:59:07] <jeffrey3234> still no go
• 1511[05:59:16] <genoobie> okay, jmcnaught I am going to try that page again. If I end up at the console again, I will just do a reinstall and keep nouveau.
• 1512[05:59:22] <Rusty1_> if the install of the nvidia 304 driver fails , try: apt install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau , it may get you back
• 1513[05:59:58] <jeffrey3234> There are 2 directives in lightdm.conf, [LightDM], and [SeatDefaults], which should these changes be under?
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• 1515[06:00:14] <jmcnaught> generally you need to remove the xorg.conf and nouveau blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/ to get back to nouveau
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• 1517[06:00:57] <Bsims> ryouma: it will automatically upgrade to the newer kernel when available
• 1518[06:00:57] <genoobie> here goes nothing...
• 1519[06:01:31] <ryouma> Bsims: ok, so i install kernel 4 from backports, and the next kernel 3 will get upgraded to?
• 1520[06:02:00] <jmcnaught> ryouma: no, if you use the backports kernel it will keep updating to newer backports kernels
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• 1523[06:02:29] <ryouma> can i tell it not to?
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• 1525[06:02:35] <Bsims> jmcnaught: Ok I thought it went with the highest version available
• 1526[06:02:35] <ryouma> also, how do i upgrade to the backports version? "aptitude install linux-image-amd64=4.4+71~bpo8+1"? or do i use / instead of =? or do i do -t wheezy-backports?
• 1527[06:02:41] <jmcnaught> ryouma: you would need to reinstall the linux-image-amd64 package from jessie (not jessie-backports) to get back to stock kernels
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• 1530[06:03:07] <TomTomTosch> jeffrey3234: [SeatDefaults]. then it's the same for all X sessions.
• 1531[06:03:08] <jmcnaught> ryouma: "apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64"
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• 1533[06:03:22] <genoobie> okay, jmcnaught I have a "prompt" here. It says, "Manual configuration required to enable NVIDIA driver"
• 1534[06:03:33] <jmcnaught> ryouma: are you using any proprietary drivers that use DKMS or needed linux-headers-amd64 installed?
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• 1538[06:03:58] <TomTomTosch> jeffrey3234: [SeatDefaults]. or [Seat:0] if you only ever have one session. it does not matter then.
• 1539[06:04:00] <jmcnaught> genoobie: read what it says, it's probably talking about the need for xorg.conf
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• 1541[06:04:07] <ryouma> what is dkms? i require linux-firmware-nonfree or some similar-sounding package, iof that is relevant
• 1542[06:04:08] <jeffrey3234> got i
• 1543[06:04:09] <genoobie> "The NVIDIA driver is not yet configure; it needs to be enabled in xorg.conf before it can be used."
• 1544[06:04:11] <ryouma> jmcnaught: ^
• 1545[06:04:12] <jeffrey3234> it
• 1546[06:04:21] <TomTomTosch> jeffrey3234: works now?
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• 1548[06:04:30] <genoobie> jmcnaught, in those directions is that just the creation of the xorg.conf file?
• 1549[06:05:01] <jmcnaught> genoobie: i can't see your screen and have never installed nvidia drivers, i won't be able to summarize what it says on your screen for you :P
• 1550[06:05:02] <genoobie> jmcnaught, these instructions here. replaced-url
• 1551[06:05:15] <genoobie> I know but it just seems "scary"
• 1552[06:05:20] <jmcnaught> genoobie: that's probably what it's talking about
• 1553[06:05:27] <genoobie> oaky
• 1554[06:05:28] <ryouma> jmcnaught: i was unable to upgrade from wheezy to jessie unless i installed the proprietary firmware, due to a mode setting problem that rendered x non-functional
• 1555[06:05:34] <jmcnaught> ryouma: do you already have linux-headers-amd64 installed?
• 1556[06:06:07] <jmcnaught> ryouma: i'm not talking about firmwares, i mean stuff like fglrx, nvidia, virtualbox etc
• 1557[06:06:08] <ryouma> jmcnaught: seems so. *** 3.16+63 0.
• 1558[06:06:43] <jmcnaught> ryouma: just checking.. if you were using that, you'd want to make sure that you also get a linux-headers-amd64 to match the newer linux-image-amd64
• 1559[06:06:46] <ryouma> jmcnaught: my knowledge might be slightly below what you think my knowledge is. i have virtualbox installed. i am still using free video driver (per se), i believe.
• 1560[06:07:15] <ryouma> jmcnaught: so dependencies don't handle that?
• 1561[06:08:07] <genoobie> okay here goes the reboot
• 1562[06:08:09] <jmcnaught> ryouma: okay.. "apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64"
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• 1565[06:08:26] <genoobie> If I don't return good night and thanks for the help jmcnaught and TomTomTosch
• 1566[06:08:33] <ryouma> jmcnaught: ok
• 1567[06:08:37] <TomTomTosch> good luck.
• 1568[06:08:39] <jmcnaught> ryouma: dependencies don't handle it because not everyone needs the headers
• 1569[06:08:39] <ryouma> jmcnaught: it sounds like apt can't be told "use the backports version until a new jessie version comes out"?
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• 1572[06:09:12] <jmcnaught> ryouma: no it can't, you'll need to do this manually if you want to switch back to the 3.16 kernel from jessie
• 1573[06:09:31] <ryouma> jmcnaught: i don't use virtualbox at the moment, don't know what fglrx is, and i think my video card is an old radeon, dunno if that's the same as nvidia or not.
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• 1576[06:09:48] <ryouma> but it's good to have virtualbox working though
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• 1579[06:10:25] <ryouma> jmcnaught: can i set up apt to tell me when the next jessie kernel gets fixed?
• 1580[06:10:30] <jmcnaught> ryouma: if you already have the linux-headers-amd64 package, you want to make sure it matches the linux-image-amd64 version installed. virtualbox will probably break if you don't
• 1581[06:10:32] <ryouma> (i.e. upgraded)
• 1582[06:10:58] <jmcnaught> ryouma: i usually hear about new kernel packages available in debian security announcments
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• 1584[06:11:39] <ryouma> ok. so there's no "check for existence of a kernel package newer than ... from the jessie repo" magic search term?
• 1585[06:12:09] <jmcnaught> ryouma: you could make note of the current 3.16 version, and check apt-cache policy
• 1586[06:12:11] <ryouma> not critical i guess, just figured might be safer to switch back at some point, is all. thanks for the instructions
• 1587[06:12:27] <ryouma> ok
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• 1589[06:12:46] <jeffrey3234> TomTomTosch not yet
• 1590[06:12:46] <ryouma> jmcnaught: by which you mean apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64?
• 1591[06:13:09] <jmcnaught> ryouma: it's possible that the maintainers who deal with your bugreport will ask you to try updated kernel packages before they get released
• 1592[06:13:55] <ryouma> interesting
• 1593[06:15:58] <ryouma> does it matter if i use aptitude instead of apt-get?
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• 1596[06:17:12] <jmcnaught> ryouma: most people use whatever they're comfortable with, or switch back and forth. i tend to use aptitude for searches, apt-get for most other stuff. it does matter for major releases like wheezy->jessiee, it will say which to use in the release notes
• 1597[06:17:45] <jeffrey3234> TomTomTosch ok at first I had the changes under [LightDM], commented everything back except the first 2 under [SeatDefaults] and it worked!
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• 1599[06:17:58] <jeffrey3234> no need to update the debain wiki then
• 1600[06:18:05] <TomTomTosch> jeffrey3234: heh, awesome.
• 1601[06:19:08] <nwmcsween_> hmm so tring to install postgresql I get: postgresql : Depends: postgresql-9.4 but it is not going to be installed
• 1602[06:19:08] <nwmcsween_> , postgresql-9.4: postgresql-9.4 : Depends: locales
• 1603[06:19:16] <nwmcsween_> theres more
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• 1605[06:19:44] <jmcnaught> !bat
• 1606[06:19:44] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1607[06:19:47] <jeffrey3234> TomTomTosch thanks for the help!
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• 1610[06:20:02] <nwmcsween_> locales : Depends: libc-bin (> 2.19)
• 1611[06:20:02] <nwmcsween_> Depends: debconf (>= 0.5) but it is not going to be installed or
• 1612[06:20:02] <nwmcsween_> debconf-2.0
• 1613[06:20:17] <jmcnaught> nwmcsween_: could you do this ^^ please. it would also help if you include your /etc/apt/sources.list
• 1614[06:20:26] <nwmcsween_> and finally I have libc-bin from testing and debconf 1.5.4
• 1615[06:20:35] <nwmcsween_> so the depends makes no sense
• 1616[06:20:38] <ryouma> jmcnaught: ok. maybe i will use aptitude, merely because i will only have one place to look (/var/log/aptitude) for logs. but then maybe i will do as you do, for speed. if you mix and match then it makes me feel like i can do so.
• 1617[06:20:39] <jmcnaught> nwmcsween_: and please use replaced-url
• 1618[06:20:55] <jmcnaught> nwmcsween_: are you mixing jessie and stretch? that doesn't work, you have to pick one
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• 1620[06:21:23] <nwmcsween_> you cannot mix testing and stable?
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• 1622[06:22:02] <nwmcsween_> hmm how do you downgrade packages then?
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• 1624[06:22:36] <qman__> uninstall, then reinstall specifying version or after you have removed the errant source
• 1625[06:22:49] <nwmcsween_> well I don't think you can uninstall libc
• 1626[06:23:01] <qman__> sure can't, see also:
• 1627[06:23:03] <jmcnaught> nwmcsween_: Debian's package management system doesn't support downgrades. you can sometimes downgrade one or two packages. if you have done a "apt-get upgrade" you probably need to backup files and reinstall
• 1628[06:23:04] <qman__> !frankendebian
• 1629[06:23:04] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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• 1632[06:24:02] <nwmcsween_> hmm I just added testing to get opensmtpd
• 1633[06:24:16] <nwmcsween_> apt upgraded my libc
• 1634[06:24:55] <qman__> your only real hope of surviving that is just plain upgrading everything to testing
• 1635[06:25:03] <qman__> otherwise you should backup and reinstall
• 1636[06:25:26] <ryouma> jmcnaught: thanks for your help on all this. i will try the new kernel.
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• 1638[06:26:07] <jmcnaught> nwmcsween_: aptitude search '~i!~Astable' <-- this might give you a list of packages installed not from stable
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• 1640[06:26:23] <jmcnaught> ryouma: you're welcome, good luck :)
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• 1644[06:29:54] <jmcnaught> nwmcsween_: actually this would be more accurate: aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?archive(stable)))'
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• 1654[06:32:11] <nwmcsween_> and there is no way to downgrade to stable?
• 1655[06:32:21] <nwmcsween_> downgrade a package
• 1656[06:32:26] <nwmcsween_> short of uninstalling it?
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• 1658[06:32:51] <jmcnaught> nwmcsween_: apt is designed to go one-way, but how many were listed by my second command above?
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• 1660[06:33:17] <jmcnaught> !downgrade
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• 1662[06:33:17] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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• 1666[06:33:47] <nwmcsween_> hmm
• 1667[06:33:48] <jmcnaught> nwmcsween_: you could try the suggestions above if there are only a few and you think it'll be quicker than reinstalling
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• 1669[06:34:01] <genoobie> okay
• 1670[06:34:10] <genoobie> I'm really going to call it quits in a minute
• 1671[06:34:37] <t4nk537> Hi folks, I am sorry to interrupt. I just tried installing the 8.4 Debian release and it said I was missing files. I am over writing my windows system with linux finally. Do you have any suggestions which ISO i should get to do a live install from USB (no CD on my notebook). I am on a desktop right now, notebook is not functional..
• 1672[06:34:37] <genoobie> okay
• 1673[06:34:38] <jmcnaught> nwmcsween_: "/msg dpkg partial downgrade" that might work for you too
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• 1675[06:34:56] <genoobie> jmcnaught: those directions didn't work, definitely at the console again
• 1676[06:35:05] <jmcnaught> t4nk537: is it talking about missing firmwares?
• 1677[06:35:23] <MaBunny> Hey guys
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• 1679[06:36:02] <MaBunny> Is it me or has debian 8.4.0 been released
• 1680[06:36:04] <jmcnaught> genoobie: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log? maybe a mistake in your xorg.conf?
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• 1683[06:36:34] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, it's not you. replaced-url
• 1684[06:36:45] <MaBunny> Okee
• 1685[06:37:07] <MaBunny> Im currently downloading it
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• 1687[06:37:13] <genoobie> jmcnaught: LoadModule "nvidia"
• 1688[06:37:17] <jmcnaught> t4nk537: the live cds are not recommended for installation, best to use an installer especially if you need UEFI support. There is a chapter in the install manual about how to handle missing firmwares: replaced-url
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• 1691[06:37:33] <genoobie> Warning couldn't open module, module does not exist...
• 1692[06:37:33] <Guest15346> anyone here?
• 1693[06:37:42] <genoobie> Guest15346: yep
• 1694[06:37:50] <Guest15346> cool
• 1695[06:37:53] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, why? didn't you have a debian install?
• 1696[06:37:59] <Guest15346> whos using weechat?
• 1697[06:38:02] <jmcnaught> genoobie: when you installed the nvidia driver package, did it say that it compiled the module or was there an error?
• 1698[06:38:12] <t4nk537> jmcnaught - thank you very much. I will give it a try again.
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• 1700[06:38:15] <TomTomTosch> Guest15346: a lot of people.
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• 1702[06:38:26] <Guest15346> cool, how do i change my name on it?
• 1703[06:38:26] <nwmcsween_> what does dpkg mean to 'search for the packages and hit enter on them'?
• 1704[06:38:35] <genoobie> jmcnaught: didn't see an error message and it looked as if it compiled a module...
• 1705[06:38:42] <genoobie> jmcnaught: any way to check?
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• 1708[06:39:31] <TomTomTosch> Guest15346: /nick foo also, the freenode connect msg has instructions on how to register.
• 1709[06:39:32] <jmcnaught> genoobie: /var/log/apt/term.log has a lot of the terminal output from apt-get
• 1710[06:40:14] <jmcnaught> nwmcsween_: it's probably talking about the packages that you upgraded to testing versions. i'm not super familiar with the aptitude UI, only its CLI
• 1711[06:40:24] <nwmcsween_> same
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• 1713[06:40:35] <MuggedMelon> ok, thanks
• 1714[06:40:40] <MaBunny> TomTomTosch: well,i think my installer for debian 8.3 was corrupted so i went to download another iso(didnt check the prev's md5 ) and thts when i found the new version
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• 1716[06:40:49] <nwmcsween_> I'm guessing I have to use dpkg -i from the apt cache?
• 1717[06:41:06] <jmcnaught> nwmcsween_: how many were listed by this?: aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?archive(stable)))'
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• 1719[06:41:18] <nwmcsween_> about 10
• 1720[06:41:29] <nwmcsween_> pretty sure it can be fixed
• 1721[06:41:50] <MaBunny> Anyway will get a 64gb pendrive this week so just redoing wht i did
• 1722[06:42:20] <jmcnaught> nwmcsween_: not so bad i guess.. using the "aptitude install package=version" syntaxt (getting versions from apt-cache policy) is probably easiest. you have removed testing repos from your sources?
• 1723[06:42:35] <nwmcsween_> yep
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• 1726[06:43:17] <nwmcsween_> hmm how do you list available packages?
• 1727[06:43:47] <nwmcsween_> versions that is
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• 1729[06:44:00] <nwmcsween_> so I can downgrade
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• 1731[06:44:24] <jmcnaught> nwmcsween_: "apt-cache policy libc6" for example, for each of the packages listed by that aptitude search command above
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• 1736[06:46:48] <jmcnaught> genoobie: i think the xorg.conf needs 4 lines total, not just Driver "nvidia"
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• 1738[06:47:36] <genoobie> jmcnaught: it's all there...
• 1739[06:47:48] <genoobie> I followed the instructions exactly.
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• 1741[06:48:04] <TxGVNN> Hi everyone. how to show the x window run foreground? It show a icon on status bar. (i used i3wm)
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• 1744[06:49:14] <TxGVNN> it is a Slack app.
• 1745[06:49:22] <jmcnaught> genoobie: maybe look for more errors in dmesg output or /var/log/Xorg.0.log. If your card is old it's possible that even the legacy driver doesn't support it anymore, and only nouveau does. Did you use that "nvidia-detect" program?
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• 1757[06:52:10] <genoobie> jmcnaught: that's the only error
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• 1760[06:53:56] <jmcnaught> genoobie: "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64" do they both say the same version?
• 1761[06:54:03] <genoobie> "your card is only supported up to the 304 legacy drivers..." recommended to install the nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
• 1762[06:55:16] <genoobie> yep
• 1763[06:55:25] <genoobie> same version on the policy
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• 1765[06:56:05] <genoobie> there was a module compiled by the 304xx legacy install
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• 1767[06:56:53] <genoobie> jmcnaught: why is the .ko file not being found...
• 1768[06:57:10] <genoobie> is it simply a matter that the .ko file has to be in the "right place"?
• 1769[06:58:04] <jmcnaught> genoobie: if the "Installed: " lines for "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64" are different, it's because the module was compiled for a different kernel version
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• 1771[06:58:28] <genoobie> jmcnaught: no, that all checks out
• 1772[06:58:30] <jmcnaught> genoobie: you could also check "uname -a"
• 1773[06:59:02] <genoobie> I was talking about the .ko file being in /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/updates/dkms
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• 1775[07:00:22] <genoobie> jmcnaught: the compiled module, nvidia-legacy-304xx.ko is "not found" according the Xorg
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• 1777[07:01:59] <jmcnaught> genoobie: that's the exact message? what does "aptitude versions ~i~nlibgl1-nvidia" say?
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• 1779[07:03:23] <jmcnaught> genoobie: right now my theory is that you have left-over cruft from your earlier attempt at the non-legacy 340 driver
• 1780[07:03:36] <genoobie> jmcnaught: I'm hoping I just found the prob..
• 1781[07:03:42] <genoobie> jmcnaught: yeah I agree
• 1782[07:04:07] <jmcnaught> genoobie: i was trying to tell you to remove that stuff before installing the legacy driver :P
• 1783[07:04:53] <genoobie> jmcnaught: I didn't know what to remove though
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• 1786[07:06:52] <jmcnaught> genoobie: oh well. you'll want to make sure you have the libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx that matches your other nvidia packages installed. you should also have the glx-alternative-nvidia package installed, and you can run "update-alternatives --config glx" to make sure the right one is configured
• 1787[07:07:16] <genoobie> jmcnaught: I'm going to reinstall the OS
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• 1789[07:07:52] <jmcnaught> genoobie: it's probably not necessary, it sounds like you're close
• 1790[07:08:59] <jmcnaught> nwmcsween_: did you make any progress doing that selective downgrade stuff?
• 1791[07:09:02] <genoobie> jmcnaught: when I installed the OS it was looking for ucode5.fw on the USB stick that the install is on
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• 1793[07:09:17] <genoobie> jmcnaught: how can I see if that file is on the USB stick?
• 1794[07:11:11] <jmcnaught> genoobie: "find /path/to/stick -name ucode5.fw"
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• 1796[07:12:23] <genoobie> okay, thanks and gnite!
• 1797[07:12:28] <genoobie> I owe you....
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• 1799[07:13:54] <nwmcsween_> jmcnaught, yep the libc downgrade worked
• 1800[07:13:58] <nwmcsween_> thanks
• 1801[07:14:50] <jmcnaught> nwmcsween_: happy to help. you probably need to reboot after all that. there's a "checkrestart" command in the debian-goodies package that can tell you for sure, but rebooting is probably mandatory after changing libc
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• 1816[07:16:17] <jmcnaught> nwmcsween_: for stable from now on stick to what's in stable, and backports. you can ask "/msg dpkg ssb" for simple instructions to backport a single package, but opensmtpd might not be backportable
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• 1818[07:16:49] <jmcnaught> ,checkbackport opensmtpd
• 1819[07:17:02] <judd> Backporting package opensmtpd in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libasr-dev.
• 1820[07:17:16] <jmcnaught> nwmcsween_: probably out of luck there ^
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• 1934[08:38:35] <f-a> mhhh, I need to buy a webca for a work interview. Is there anything I should look for compatibility wise (jessie/main user here)
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• 1938[08:40:17] <qmr> factor1: just buy something 3 years old
• 1939[08:40:31] <qmr> or, you know, buy a macbook
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• 1942[08:42:28] <TomTomTosch> f-a: the ones with 'yes' should work just fine. replaced-url
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• 1946[08:43:05] <TomTomTosch> f-a: if you find one that is not listed, just google if it has good linux support.
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• 1950[08:44:26] <Pinchiukas> Ok I've run out of space while installing a package and obviously some of the dependencies did not get (fully?) installed. How can I retry this? 'apt-get install <the_package>' says it's installed.
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• 1953[08:45:39] <TomTomTosch> Pinchiukas: remove, reinstall. but it wouldn't show as successfully installed if not all deps could be installed.
• 1954[08:45:45] <f-a> thanks TomTomTosch
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• 1956[08:46:43] <TomTomTosch> f-a: no problem. good luck.
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• 1958[08:48:35] <MurciLee> is gnome 3.20 out ?
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• 1961[08:50:14] <TomTomTosch> MurciLee: nothing to do with debian, buuuut >>> replaced-url
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• 1972[08:56:22] <jelly> MurciLee, TomTomTosch: or replaced-url
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• 1982[08:59:33] <TomTomTosch> that one is prettier than the 3.18 one. much more colorful.
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• 2022[09:24:45] <cpm__> Hi everybody, any suggestion to use packagekit applet in Mate with Debian Jessie?
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• 2044[09:31:59] <MaBunny> Hey guys
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• 2048[09:32:31] <MaBunny> So,I just downloaded the debian iso(latest) and
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• 2050[09:32:52] <MaBunny> While checking the sha1 checksum
• 2051[09:33:20] <MaBunny> The one on the webpage doesnt match the one on my phone
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• 2056[09:34:40] <MaBunny> I mean the sha1 checksum in the download webpage for i386 for cd 1 doesnt match the one i currently hav on my memory card
• 2057[09:34:58] <MaBunny> Is it a danger sign???
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• 2066[09:36:56] <MaBunny> TomTomTosch,you there bro???
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• 2068[09:38:26] <MaBunny> Guys????
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• 2081[09:41:20] <MaBunny> Guys????Anyone there???
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• 2084[09:41:45] <TomTomTosch> how did you check? and what do you mean with "the one on my phone"?
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• 2088[09:42:58] <MaBunny> I have es explorer on my phone which has a thing to check md5 and sha1 checksums
• 2089[09:43:15] <MaBunny> Android phone
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• 2091[09:43:52] <TomTomTosch> sha512sum -c SHA512SUMS 2> /dev/null | grep netinst
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• 2094[09:44:20] <MaBunny> Im on my phone now
• 2095[09:44:28] <TomTomTosch> this is how you check the sha sum of the iso against the one that is in the SHA512SUMS.sign file.
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• 2097[09:44:53] <TomTomTosch> download both into the same directory.
• 2098[09:45:09] <MaBunny> Ok ill do tht when im on my computer
• 2099[09:45:43] <TomTomTosch> that checks if the iso matches the sum in the SHA512SUMS.sign file.
• 2100[09:46:17] <TomTomTosch> afterwards you can check if the signature is correct, to verify that the .sign file is legit.
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• 2142[10:10:23] <HelloAtMega> Does anyone knows how do I deactivate ssh-agent from gnome-keyring???
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• 2157[10:21:25] <julius> hi
• 2158[10:21:58] <julius> does running "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" also update my packages that are from jessie-backports on a jessie system?
• 2159[10:22:00] <HelloAtMega> hello
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• 2163[10:22:41] <HelloAtMega> I'm not sure, but I think it updates everything that is inside your sources.list
• 2164[10:23:18] <calbasi1> I think so
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• 2166[10:23:52] <calbasi1> I think it's possible tag some package or source font to not be upgraded, but I'm not sure...
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• 2171[10:26:10] <jmcnaught> julius: it will upgrade packages that you have already installed from backports, but will not automatically upgrade packages to backports
• 2172[10:26:25] <jmcnaught> you don't want to use all of backports, just the stuff you need
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• 2204[10:49:25] <armin> replaced-url
• 2205[10:49:26] <armin> heh
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• 2216[10:55:15] <eeeelik> Hi, I'm wondering how you'd go about sshing onto a remote host, start logging top to file (output redirected), and exit ssh while leaving the logger running
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• 2219[10:57:04] <jno7463> eeeelik: use screen or tmux, detach before logging out
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• 2224[10:58:32] <eeeelik> jno7463: my target is an embedded device, and doesn't have screen or tmux, sadly
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• 2226[10:58:54] <Redfoxmoon> eeeelik, does it have shell scripts?
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• 2229[10:59:00] <bezaban> I htink you can nohup it, but meh
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• 2232[10:59:39] <eeeelik> Redfoxmoon: yes
• 2233[10:59:49] <eeeelik> bezaban: I have been looking in that direction
• 2234[10:59:57] <Redfoxmoon> eeeelik, why not just modify the init system to start logging then? :)
• 2235[11:00:49] <eeeelik> Redfoxmoon: said system is extremely hard to modify
• 2236[11:01:14] <Redfoxmoon> eeeelik, sounds like you need better embedded system
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• 2239[11:01:42] <eeeelik> Redfoxmoon: I dream of it
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• 2242[11:02:04] <eeeelik> Redfoxmoon: big boats are long to steer
• 2243[11:02:16] <Redfoxmoon> eeeelik, lemme guess also, it's a squashfs root or something dumb like that?
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• 2247[11:04:08] <eeeelik> Redfoxmoon: we have two different devices
• 2248[11:04:19] <eeeelik> Redfoxmoon: one of them does use squashfs
• 2249[11:04:28] <eeeelik> Redfoxmoon: the other ubifs
• 2250[11:04:29] * Redfoxmoon cringes
• 2251[11:04:36] <Redfoxmoon> no clue what ubifs is
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• 2253[11:04:51] <eeeelik> Redfoxmoon: makes 2 of us
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• 2255[11:05:02] <Redfoxmoon> well, the one with the squashfs, maybe you can reflash it
• 2256[11:05:13] <Redfoxmoon> if you have access to the bootloader, it should be do-able
• 2257[11:05:44] <eeeelik> Redfoxmoon: I dream of that too
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• 2259[11:05:54] <eeeelik> Redfoxmoon: but the platform is 3rd party, we can't modify it
• 2260[11:06:09] <Redfoxmoon> eeeelik, UBIFS, unsorted block image file system
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• 2262[11:06:14] <Redfoxmoon> successor to jffs2
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• 2264[11:06:46] <eeeelik> Redfoxmoon: that's what I could gather from the first few lines of googling it
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• 2268[11:09:10] <Redfoxmoon> jffs2 is a huge mess
• 2269[11:09:27] <Redfoxmoon> so I am guessing ubifs is too :D but shouldn't that be writeable?
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• 2271[11:10:32] <eeeelik> Redfoxmoon: modifying the fs is out of the equation. External contraint. Just installing ssh keys on the dev env is a pain.
• 2272[11:11:14] <Redfoxmoon> good lord
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• 2274[11:11:25] <Redfoxmoon> yeah dunno really then.
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• 2276[11:11:59] <eeeelik> Yeah, that's why I was looking at nohup, but it's not cooperating
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• 2278[11:12:07] <Redfoxmoon> hm
• 2279[11:12:25] <Redfoxmoon> probably maybe not standard behaviour on your target board then
• 2280[11:12:26] <Redfoxmoon> :P
• 2281[11:12:37] <jno7463> eeeelik: i guess top checks if it has a controlling tty
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• 2283[11:12:50] <eeeelik> Redfoxmoon: could very well be. Working with busybox.
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• 2285[11:13:24] <Redfoxmoon> yeeeah.
• 2286[11:13:27] <Redfoxmoon> busybox is a massive pain
• 2287[11:13:51] <jno7463> depends
• 2288[11:13:53] <eeeelik> Redfoxmoon: has its pros, has quite a few cons when you try to do standard stuff
• 2289[11:14:00] <eeeelik> also depends how it was built
• 2290[11:14:04] <Redfoxmoon> yeah
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• 2293[11:14:34] <jno7463> eeeelik: and your problem is top terminates if you log out?
• 2294[11:14:40] <eeeelik> no
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• 2297[11:15:56] <jno7463> eeeelik: so what's the actual problem?
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• 2299[11:17:16] <eeeelik> jno7463: I'm trying to get ssh to start the command and detach, not having much success
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• 2301[11:18:04] <jno7463> eeeelik: what about ( top > foo & ) & and then log out?
• 2302[11:18:30] <jno7463> eeeelik: this forces top not to be a direct child process of sshd
• 2303[11:19:04] <eeeelik> jno7463: poor man's daemon?
• 2304[11:19:11] <eeeelik> jno7463: I'll give that a try
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• 2308[11:23:18] <eeeelik> jno7463: that does work for top
• 2309[11:23:28] <jno7463> good
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• 2314[11:25:14] <eeeelik> jno7463: actually, ssh target "(top >file)&" works
• 2315[11:25:30] <bittin> updating the Debian isos at work :)
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• 2325[11:29:47] <eeeelik> jno7463: it seems like the issue might be stemming from the fact I'm trying to transmit the script I want to run to my target (top was just the closest approximation of my script)
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• 2335[11:33:05] <eeeelik> jno7463: my actual goal is to run a local script remotely in background. so far, I can get it to run: ssh target "sh /proc/self/fd/0 <args>" <my_script.sh
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• 2338[11:35:10] <eeeelik> jno7463: sry for hiding that info. I tried to simply background top earlier and it didn't work
• 2339[11:35:19] <eeeelik> jno7463: I was trying to simplify the setup a bit
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• 2346[11:38:59] <Redfoxmoon> eeeelik, hm. maybe ask in #busybox ?
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• 2366[11:45:38] <eeeelik> Redfoxmoon: I think my issues revolves around my misunderstanding of SIGHUP signal, controlling terminals and such, more than the subtelties of busybox
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• 2368[11:46:50] <Redfoxmoon> alright :D
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• 2390[12:00:20] <jno7463> eeeelik: cat foo.sh
• 2391[12:00:27] <jno7463> eeeelik: ( top > foo & ) &
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• 2393[12:00:49] <jno7463> eeeelik: ssh -i id.ec root@192.168.10.1 "sh /proc/self/fd/0" < foo.sh
• 2394[12:01:04] <jno7463> eeeelik: works here
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• 2397[12:02:09] <jno7463> eeeelik: minimal system, busybox 1.23.2, dropbear v2015.67
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• 2401[12:05:30] <eeeelik> jno7463: I have a few things to experiment with, but I'm pretty sure I have all the blocks I need to make it work
• 2402[12:05:42] <eeeelik> jno7463: especially with that last hint
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• 2404[12:05:59] <eeeelik> jno7463: thanks a lot for your help
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• 2429[12:20:03] <dionysus69> is there a better way to copy files from bash other than this? wget -r ftp://tom:myPassword@ftp.example.com/var/replaced-url
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• 2431[12:20:21] <dionysus69> i tried ftp connection but it doesnt support recursive get with nested dirs
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• 2436[12:23:38] <babilen> dionysus69: scp/sftp
• 2437[12:23:48] <dionysus69> sftp is same isnt it?
• 2438[12:23:57] <dionysus69> just with ssh?
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• 2441[12:25:29] <teraflops> !ftpmustdie
• 2442[12:25:29] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE! replaced-url
• 2443[12:26:16] <Iridos> no, sftp is completely something else, but it accepts the same commands as ftp
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• 2445[12:26:50] <Iridos> teraflops, EMAIL MUST DIE!!!!111eleven
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• 2448[12:27:11] <teraflops> Hmm. Please no. :S
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• 2450[12:28:24] <Iridos> rfc 821 vs rfc 959... most arguments of that rant apply in some way?
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• 2454[12:30:25] <jim> DEATH MUST DIE!!
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• 2457[12:30:32] <teraflops> Lel
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• 2460[12:31:01] <dionysus69> so sftp supports recursively getting dirs with dirs inside
• 2461[12:31:03] <dionysus69> ?
• 2462[12:31:05] <teraflops> Iridos: a bunch of stuff sucks. What about openssl?
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• 2464[12:32:01] <teraflops> dionysus69: I can do scp -r dir/ if you mean that
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• 2466[12:32:54] <eeeelik> jno7463: why do we need the two & (top >blah&)&. It seems that from ssh's point of view, the outtermost & should be enough to have it return (notwithstanding issues with the process that is left running)
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• 2468[12:33:08] <dionysus69> does scp require a scp server running ? or how does it work in general
• 2469[12:33:28] <teraflops> dionysus69: it requires openssh server running
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• 2473[12:33:43] <dionysus69> oh well ye I have that
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• 2475[12:33:47] <teraflops> ..from where you get the stuff
• 2476[12:34:07] <dionysus69> ok can you give me an example of how can I connect to my server ?
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• 2478[12:34:34] <eeeelik> scp user@server:/file/you/want target
• 2479[12:34:42] <teraflops> dionysus69: no sorry I run out if spoons. No offense mate
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• 2483[12:36:17] <AlwaysHigh> hmm so anyone know of a elegant way or possible to pass a json object from php to python ?
• 2484[12:36:27] <AlwaysHigh> as command line arguments?
• 2485[12:36:46] <AlwaysHigh> yes retarded question oh wwell
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• 2491[12:39:01] <eeeelik> AlwaysHigh: I would suggest base64, I guess
• 2492[12:39:45] <AlwaysHigh> oh yeah
• 2493[12:39:49] <eeeelik> AlwaysHigh: it seems like it's what people always do: encode as base64 to avoid clashes, unbase64 on the other side
• 2494[12:39:54] <AlwaysHigh> so i could decode to json arra
• 2495[12:40:04] <AlwaysHigh> in python
• 2496[12:40:13] <AlwaysHigh> interesting method
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• 2500[12:41:23] <eeeelik> AlwaysHigh: well, base64 takes care of a lot of encoding issues
• 2501[12:41:31] <AlwaysHigh> true
• 2502[12:41:50] <AlwaysHigh> wich unix doesnt like in bash
• 2503[12:41:56] <eeeelik> AlwaysHigh: be careful though, command line has size limits.. json structures, not so much
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• 2505[12:42:23] <AlwaysHigh> ahh ill doo some test before coding then ty
• 2506[12:42:34] <eeeelik> AlwaysHigh: yeah, bash tends to get hung on " and spaces
• 2507[12:42:55] <eeeelik> Definitely test, it's just a though, never done it
• 2508[12:42:58] <AlwaysHigh> any special characters :/
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• 2512[12:43:12] <eeeelik> Don't event know what characters end up in base64
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• 2514[12:43:32] <Doo> thx for the hl AlwaysHigh ;)
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• 2516[12:43:48] <AlwaysHigh> haha soz doo :P
• 2517[12:43:51] <Doo> np np ;p
• 2518[12:44:22] * AlwaysHigh notes to self to setup autoconvert of do to doo
• 2519[12:44:39] <eeeelik> AlwaysHigh: it's nasty though
• 2520[12:44:42] <Doo> that's the right thing to doo indeed, otherwise i never get to talk :D
• 2521[12:45:17] <eeeelik> AlwaysHigh: so you output your json, you base64 it, you pass it, you unbase64 it, you parse the json
• 2522[12:45:30] <eeeelik> AlwaysHigh: a pipe would probably save you that trouble
• 2523[12:45:47] <eeeelik> AlwaysHigh: and a lot of others
• 2524[12:46:15] <dionysus69> teraflops: no prob haha thanks anyway )
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• 2560[12:59:11] <odish> hey guys, looking for something to host on my server for a little community of lets say 10 people, some kind of php based suite which can handle wget and torrent protocol
• 2561[12:59:13] <odish> any ideas?
• 2562[12:59:56] <dionysus69> eeeelik: thanks that worked :))
• 2563[13:00:15] <dionysus69> turned out to be simpler and better than the ftp approach
• 2564[13:00:40] <dionysus69> fine now I am part of ftpmustdie mob
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• 2595[13:17:44] <jno7463> eeeelik: to make top detach from the subshell () and the subshell detach from sshd
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• 2608[13:21:30] * Iridos hands teraflops a 100 spoons ... isn't it ironic
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• 2610[13:21:52] <eeeelik> jno7463: but do I really care if top detach from its subshell?
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• 2613[13:22:58] <teraflops> Iridos: ssh stuff is the most documented shit on the internet at the level of anunnaki stuff :P
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• 2625[13:28:43] <Ironhand> I've been reading about the option of having sshd (dropbear) inside initramfs so that cryptsetup can be run for an encrypted root fs, but all the info I can find on it is outdated... can anyone tell me whether this should still be possible in Jessie?
• 2626[13:28:58] <jno7463> eeeelik: hmm
• 2627[13:29:19] <DLmass> Anyone here with postfix and dovecot experience?
• 2628[13:29:39] <eeeelik> jno7463: Just found an interesting piece of info though: replaced-url
• 2629[13:29:51] <eeeelik> jno7463: 2nd answer
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• 2631[13:30:08] <eeeelik> jno7463: relates to file descriptors
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• 2635[13:31:09] <teraflops> DLmass: just ask
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• 2637[13:31:18] <jno7463> eeeelik: yeah
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• 2640[13:32:29] <DLmass> Okay so basically I've setup postfix and dovecot. I can sign in with my mail client and etc but I can't send, receive emails
• 2641[13:32:37] <DLmass> This setup is using mysql
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• 2644[13:33:32] <teraflops> Look at /var/log/mail.log and mailerr also at MySQL logs
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• 2646[13:34:02] <teraflops> While sending and receiving. Sorry don't mean to split in 2 lines
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• 2654[13:36:24] <DLmass> teraflops, I'm tailing /var/log/mail.log and I don't see any weird activity there. MySQL is also working since I am able to sign in into the accounts.
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• 2659[13:38:46] <teraflops> DLmass: mail is hard to debug. Did you tried some MX/mail checkers? Mainly for the ptr very and dns stuff
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• 2662[13:39:24] <DLmass> No I haven't tried that MX thingy yet. Are there some kind of tool for that online, teraflops?
• 2663[13:39:51] <teraflops> DLmass: as in replaced-url
• 2664[13:40:27] <teraflops> Err. Sorry. replaced-url
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• 2667[13:41:25] <teraflops> Meh whatba mess. Sorry for the typos
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• 2669[13:42:14] <DLmass> Apparently MX is working properly teraflops. Must be on the serverside
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• 2672[13:42:33] <teraflops> There are more tests there
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• 2674[13:43:26] <teraflops> Also check the IP is not blacklisted
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• 2677[13:43:53] <DLmass> Not blacklisted anywhere
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• 2680[13:45:10] <DLmass> So I tried to do an SMTP test and that actually timeout, teraflops
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• 2682[13:45:59] <teraflops> Ah. Is blocked someway?
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• 2687[13:47:26] <DLmass> I've checked if port 25 is open and it is. I am able to ping it and etc
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• 2689[13:48:19] <teraflops> Hmm. Does mxtoolbox spit some errors?
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• 2691[13:49:08] <DLmass> teraflops: replaced-url
• 2692[13:49:45] <teraflops> DLmass: please do not use pastebin.com
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• 2695[13:50:10] <DLmass> oh what do you recommend, teraflops?
• 2696[13:50:13] <teraflops> DLmass: you're using port 25?
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• 2698[13:50:40] <teraflops> DLmass: paste.debian ptpb sprunge ix ...
• 2699[13:50:59] <DLmass> I'm sorry. I didn't know
• 2700[13:51:41] <teraflops> DLmass: nah. Half of the times I have the site blocked
• 2701[13:52:11] <DLmass> Okay so I did a compare between hotmail.com and my domain. It looks almost the same and I can't access their SMTP either
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• 2713[13:54:10] <teraflops> DLmass: idk. ISP blocking? Are you using port 25?
• 2714[13:54:27] <DLmass> I'm using OVH and yes port 25, teraflops
• 2715[13:54:44] <DLmass> I've go it to work before so..
• 2716[13:54:45] <teraflops> DLmass: hmm
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• 2718[13:55:28] <teraflops> Yeah I don't think ovh blocks 25. Must be on your side
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• 2729[13:58:52] <Boloyankee> hey there
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• 2733[13:59:30] <Boloyankee> i want to enable tun0 mode (interface) in my debian kali 2.0.. how do i do it?
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• 2737[14:01:00] <DLmass> Yes teraflops, I'm going to try to identify what the problem is. Thanks for your help tho!
• 2738[14:01:26] <teraflops> Nah NP. Is SMTP related at least
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• 2741[14:01:53] <armin> Boloyankee: by starting a process that opens a tun device.
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• 2744[14:02:07] <armin> Boloyankee: likely a vpn daemon.
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• 2750[14:04:16] <armin> Boloyankee: technically speaking, from a code perspective, you get an fd on /dev/net/tun and do an ioctl on that.
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• 2752[14:04:51] <Boloyankee> armin, thanks man let me try
• 2753[14:04:53] <jno7463> armin: you also create a persistent tap or tun device with the iproute2 command: ip tuntap add dev foobar0 mode tun user 999
• 2754[14:05:08] <armin> Boloyankee: also see ip tuntap .... meh, jno7463 was faster.
• 2755[14:05:11] <armin> jno7463: thank you.
• 2756[14:05:39] <armin> Boloyankee: replaced-url
• 2757[14:05:49] <Iridos> Boloyankee, please ask #kali-linux about things on kali
• 2758[14:05:53] <armin> (beware, it's 6 years old)
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• 2760[14:06:37] <armin> Boloyankee: <spoiler> don't mention you're running kali if you're asking in here. </spoiler>
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• 2762[14:06:57] <Boloyankee> armin, thanks man.. noted
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• 2778[14:13:05] <ws2k3> im having a realy strange issue on my 2 debian servers. while they are busy running some heavy cpu processes the load on both machines stays 0.0 im running debian 7 kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64
• 2779[14:14:12] <Iridos> armin, I disagree a *lot* with this: it is right to mention it, it is wrong to ask here
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• 2781[14:14:56] <Iridos> where "wrong" means "horribly frustrating" among other things
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• 2792[14:20:06] <armin> Iridos: feel free to point that out, all i'm trying is to help people. i just moved the talk over to #kali-linux and elaborated further over there.
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• 2801[14:23:27] <ravegen> Good pm. I cant successfully install roundcube on debian 8. Does anyone know a site with step by step installation. I already tried examples on google but no success still.
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• 2805[14:25:01] <ws2k3> ravegen install debian 7 probarly probarly solved ^^
• 2806[14:25:02] <Iridos> ravegen, "apt-get install roundcube"?
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• 2809[14:25:25] <Iridos> ws2k3, what?
• 2810[14:25:38] <ravegen> Iridos, i tried that but cant find package upon install.
• 2811[14:25:52] <ravegen> Even on debian 7
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• 2813[14:26:15] <Iridos> what means "cant find package upon install"
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• 2815[14:27:20] <ravegen> When i enter command apt-get install -y roundcube, the terminal will say cant find package roundcube
• 2816[14:27:56] <Iridos> oh... that's correct, it's in testing and backports, but not in stable
• 2817[14:28:09] <Iridos> dpkg, tell ravegen about backports
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• 2819[14:28:24] <ravegen> What should i do then?
• 2820[14:29:18] <Iridos> read what the bot told you... also read what the bot tells you in /msg dpkg backport caveat
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• 2822[14:30:05] <Iridos> go to replaced-url
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• 2824[14:30:27] <TomyWork> ws2k3 maybe they're not processing, but waiting for the kernel?
• 2825[14:30:40] <Ghostbird> Does anyone know why davfs2 is in Jessie and Sid, but not in Stretch?
• 2826[14:30:42] <TomyWork> try strace -p $pid
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• 2829[14:32:03] <Iridos> Ghostbird, you can probably find the reason digging on replaced-url
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• 2834[14:33:08] <Ghostbird> Iridos: Ah, thanks. Turns out it's badly broken since February.
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• 2839[14:34:15] <Ghostbird> Seems that I can safely install the .deb from Jessie for a spell, until it is fixed.
• 2840[14:34:48] <ws2k3> TomyWork i am sure they are running
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• 2842[14:35:04] <ws2k3> TomyWork i am even running stress -c 8 and the load stays 0.00
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• 2848[14:35:49] <ws2k3> TomyWork replaced-url
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• 2850[14:36:19] <ws2k3> TomyWork its strange. i have 2 servers. same hard. exacly the same issue.
• 2851[14:36:59] <HoloIRCUser9> hi, my psu failed, and then on boot i have an error that one of my md devices stopped, then one lvm is not found. after boot, the cat /proc/mdstat look ok iirc how it shoul look like. i still don't have the lvm. I forgot the commands. i tried pvscan and vgscan, but that didn't bring back the volume
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• 2855[14:38:46] <abrotman> ws2k3: There are other tools
• 2856[14:39:28] <ws2k3> abrotman can you maby be more spesific on what you are trying to say? should i test with another tool?
• 2857[14:39:41] <abrotman> ws2k3: you can see if something similar happens
• 2858[14:39:44] <abrotman> judd: info cpuburn
• 2859[14:39:45] <judd> Package cpuburn (misc, extra) in jessie/amd64: Collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU. Version: 1.4a-5; Size: 16.0k; Installed: 24k
• 2860[14:40:24] <TomyWork> ws2k3 no idea then
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• 2862[14:40:47] <abrotman> ws2k3: how many cores are in this box?
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• 2867[14:42:05] <ws2k3> abrotman 16 cores. i am running burnp6 load stays the same 0.00 at this moment
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• 2869[14:42:40] <abrotman> so, you tried stress with 8 threads, and have 16 cores, and hte load is at 0?
• 2870[14:42:49] <HoloIRCUser9> can someone help me?
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• 2872[14:43:34] <ws2k3> abrotman it doesnt matter what i do. load is Allawys 0.0
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• 2875[14:43:58] <ws2k3> abrotman if i launch 10 processes with cpuburn then the load is still 0.0
• 2876[14:44:03] <abrotman> try with 30
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• 2878[14:44:32] <ws2k3> abrotman running. still 0.0
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• 2880[14:45:09] <JyZyXEL> % sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
• 2881[14:45:11] <JyZyXEL> xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version.
• 2882[14:45:13] <abrotman> compile a kernel with make -j ?
• 2883[14:45:17] <JyZyXEL> ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.99.917-2~bpo8+1 amd64 X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
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• 2885[14:45:22] <JyZyXEL> thats not the newest version though
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• 2887[14:45:29] <abrotman> JyZyXEL: in which version of Debian?
• 2888[14:45:31] <JyZyXEL> xserver-xorg-video-intel (2:2.99.917+git20160325-1) unstable; urgency=medium
• 2889[14:45:33] <JyZyXEL> jessie
• 2890[14:45:44] <JyZyXEL> changelog says that is the nwest version for jessie-backports
• 2891[14:45:45] <abrotman> judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
• 2892[14:45:46] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917+git20160325-1; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20160325-1
• 2893[14:45:48] <ws2k3> abrotman replaced-url
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• 2896[14:46:08] <abrotman> JyZyXEL: the bot also agrees with your apt
• 2897[14:46:12] <JyZyXEL> hmm, something must be wrong
• 2898[14:46:27] <JyZyXEL> ah, i was just using the web-interface wrong
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• 2900[14:46:40] <abrotman> ws2k3: you still have idle cores
• 2901[14:47:00] <abrotman> ws2k3: if nothing is trying ot use the pipeline, you're not going ot get a load avg
• 2902[14:47:07] <abrotman> dpkg: load
• 2903[14:47:07] <dpkg> PRESS PLAY ON TAPE
• 2904[14:47:10] <abrotman> dpkg: damn you
• 2905[14:47:10] * dpkg sends you to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers.
• 2906[14:47:17] <JyZyXEL> Intel has gotten so bad with their driver that the 'sid' driver now recommends just using the default modesetting driver instead :p
• 2907[14:47:32] <abrotman> still better than nvidia binary crap
• 2908[14:47:42] <JyZyXEL> not anymore
• 2909[14:48:00] <abrotman> JyZyXEL: Everyone gets their own opinion, sorry yours is wrong :)
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• 2913[14:48:18] <JyZyXEL> new intel graphics does come with a binary blob
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• 2915[14:48:35] <abrotman> If you say so, I haven't seen it
• 2916[14:48:40] <JyZyXEL> but kind of a moot point since Intel ME runs binary blob at all times anyways
• 2917[14:48:41] <ws2k3> abrotman i am sure the load is stuck. cause my other server is having the same issue
• 2918[14:48:47] <HoloIRCUser9> hi, my psu failed, and then on boot i have an error that one of my md devices stopped, then one lvm is not found. after boot, the cat /proc/mdstat look ok iirc how it shoul look like. i still don't have the lvm. I forgot the commands. i tried pvscan and vgscan, but that didn't bring back the volume
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• 2921[14:49:00] <ws2k3> abrotman i have 2 servers with exacly the same load for more then a few days now
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• 2923[14:49:25] <abrotman> ws2k3: are they actually doing anything?
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• 2925[14:49:32] <JyZyXEL> so in the security and privacy aspect the game was already lost a long time ago with x64
• 2926[14:49:51] * abrotman runs a 486
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• 2935[14:50:43] <ws2k3> abrotman yes. i have around 15 cpu heavy processing running(next to the burn)
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• 2937[14:51:17] <abrotman> ws2k3: Maybe look for a bios update, or try a newer kernel .. Otherwise, you have the fastest hardware in the world
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• 2939[14:52:02] <ws2k3> abrotman its not the fastest hardware in the world. the load reporting just does not work
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• 2941[14:52:31] <ws2k3> abrotman im running 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.68-1+deb7u6 x86_64 GNU/Linux which is not realy old
• 2942[14:52:33] <abrotman> see other recommendations ..
• 2943[14:53:11] <rozie> ws2k3: are you 100% sure that you run this cpuburn on the same machine where you check load?
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• 2945[14:53:50] <ws2k3> rozie Yes. 200 % sure.
• 2946[14:54:18] <ws2k3> rozie and i have 2 servers. same hardware. same debian same kernel same issue load on both machines is Exacly the same
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• 2948[14:54:43] <rozie> can you check newer kernel?
• 2949[14:55:19] <ws2k3> rozie yes i could. but i had this issue before. back then i upgraded kernel and rebooted the machine but after a while it came back
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• 2953[14:56:02] <Mathisen> hello so i have a debian server that i want to make a little more secure.. can i somehow encrypt everything without re-install ?
• 2954[14:56:03] <r6ku> the blobs for intel skylake are in firmware-misc-nonfree in backports if someone was asking about it
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• 2956[14:56:31] <Stummi> Mathisen, generally yes, but not while its live
• 2957[14:56:52] <Mathisen> Stummi, i can reboot thats not an issue i just dont want to re-install
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• 2959[14:56:58] <Mathisen> Stummi, what should i use to do this
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• 2962[14:58:11] <Mathisen> or are you talking about moving the hd out an use a diffrent computer for it
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• 2964[14:59:04] <Mathisen> i dont want to setup all the services it is runing again.. that would be a pain
• 2965[14:59:16] <Stummi> Mathisen, you have to do it manually, just boot a live system, set up your crypted disk, and move the files to there, and configure luks there
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• 2967[15:00:30] <Mathisen> hmm so i have to move everything away from partition.. encrypt it and then move back .. correct =
• 2968[15:00:30] <Mathisen> ?
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• 2971[15:02:05] <Stummi> its preferred yes. Inplace is possible (set up luks, dd from raw device to luks device), but I don't know how reliable it is. I wouldn't do that without backup
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• 2974[15:03:24] <Mathisen> okej... i will read upp on this .. thx
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• 2980[15:07:32] <HoloIRCUser9> anyone know md and lvm?
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• 2990[15:10:47] <HoloIRCUser9> anyone know md or.lvm?
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• 3000[15:12:46] <Jimmymaniac> Hi. Quick RAID question: A software raid volume keeps desyncing, i go check and it's resyncing, but doesn't show what was out of sync before, and mdadm --detail doesn't say more. How can i find out what disk was the one giving trouble? I'd rather replace the disk before it fails.
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• 3031[15:19:02] <Iridos> I seriously wonder what about that question would qualify as "quick"
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• 3036[15:20:18] <Iridos> HoloIRCUser9, ask the question and if someone can answer, they will.
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• 3062[15:30:27] <qeni> Hi. Do you know some CLI programs for wifi connecting? I don't want to have daemons running all the time. The closest thing is wicd-curses but it's crashing all the time. I really enjoy wifi-menu from the Arch
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• 3083[15:41:30] <DeaDSouL> hi, how can I do this `apt-get autoremove` ..... with ...... `aptitude` ?
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• 3088[15:42:32] <humbot> siduction has a nice cli wifi manager and so does grml
• 3089[15:43:30] <ksk> DeaDSouL: aptitude does that automagicly on install remove and upgrade operations IIRC
• 3090[15:44:21] <DeaDSouL> ksk: right, but is there any flag, argument to just do what apt-get autoremove does
• 3091[15:44:47] <themill> it should already have done so
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• 3096[15:45:45] <themill> It's a bit like asking if rm has a --delete option or cp has a --copy option...; you can always "aptitude remove ~g".
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• 3101[15:47:40] <veek> is there a non fiddly way to remove black borders and make white images extracted from a pdf (pnm)
• 3102[15:47:57] <veek> lots of text images
• 3103[15:47:57] <cisc0> hey what's up?
• 3104[15:48:32] <veek> convert requires options and multiple directories
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• 3107[15:49:28] <themill> veek: multiple directories aren't needed; are you hoping something will magically find the borders for you too?
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• 3110[15:50:44] <veek> themill, well.. one could specifiy an offset to sample from and nuke
• 3111[15:51:04] <veek> vs computing rectangle coordinates for 4 sides
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• 3117[15:52:07] <veek> this is what i was using and it wasn't great because the pages have varying size
• 3118[15:52:09] <veek> ls|xargs -I{} convert -stroke black -fill black -draw "rectangle 0,0 90,1784" -draw "rectangle 0,0 1212,90" -draw "rectangle 1184,0, 1288,1848" -draw "rectangle 8,1716, 1252,1808" +matte {} ../png/{}\.png
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• 3122[15:53:31] <themill> Using ls as a starting point is always a great starting point for a disaster btw; use find or a simple loop
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• 3130[15:57:21] <andril> hello
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• 3137[15:59:09] <themill> veek: I do recall seeing tools that could do this but I know I've also banged out some short python scripts to do this too. If it's a stack do in the same way but it was a one off, I'd use imagej to do the cropping
• 3138[15:59:28] <Iridos> I am not so sure what "this" is
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• 3140[15:59:56] <Iridos> but imagemagick's convert/mogrify had options to remove unicolored bordors, I though
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• 3143[16:00:26] <Iridos> how do you get images from a pdf in the first place
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• 3148[16:02:05] <DeaDSouL> is smbd exactly like samba .... only that the first is a daemon ?
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• 3151[16:02:49] <DeaDSouL> i mean they do the same thing? i know they're both samba ... but i meant the commands themselves
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• 3154[16:03:19] <potus> iridos: screencap and crop in gimp?
• 3155[16:03:31] <potus> the old ghetto wayyy..
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• 3157[16:04:22] <Iridos> potus, it wasn't my question
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• 3160[16:05:44] <potus> iridos: you asked how to get the images.. that is a way =/
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• 3162[16:06:03] <bartolo> hi, dpkg is throwing those errors replaced-url
• 3163[16:06:13] <potus> iridos: apt-get install imagemagick;import -window root cropthepdf.jpg
• 3164[16:06:23] <bartolo> (those two packages came from debian repos)
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• 3167[16:07:38] <veek> Iridos, pdftoppm
• 3168[16:07:49] <bartolo> probably is just a coincidence that all have started with the inclusion of the owncloud repository. Even if their packages use a lot of script I can't find a reason on why they should mess with apt's files
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• 3171[16:08:51] <veek> themill imagej
• 3172[16:08:55] <veek> err thanks
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• 3178[16:10:01] <bartolo> (i'm using debian jessie)
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• 3181[16:10:16] <potus> bartolo: just stick with official repos
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• 3183[16:11:36] <bartolo> potus: normally I don't use external repos but the update mechanism of owncloud is quite painfull. I'm trying to use their repos to make things easier
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• 3186[16:12:08] <potus> bartolo: appearantly it isnt =/
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• 3188[16:12:27] <bartolo> well I don't know if it's because of their repos :p
• 3189[16:12:56] <potus> 10-1 its because of their repos
• 3190[16:12:59] <bartolo> php packages came all from the debian repos
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• 3194[16:13:48] <bartolo> maybe but they should mess with apt's files? This seems to be a problem of corrupted packages
• 3195[16:14:12] <potus> bartolo: maybe it changed a config file and now the system don't now the path to php
• 3196[16:14:26] <potus> i like to use official repos only and compile programs up.. so I KNOW.. whats going on
• 3197[16:14:30] <potus> too many hands in the middle.
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• 3201[16:15:16] * potus hides
• 3202[16:15:24] <bartolo> :/ as an easy fix you think that force the removal of all the php packages and then a complete reinstall could be dangerous?
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• 3206[16:15:54] <potus> bartolo: others don't like me saying it.. but, i would just reinstall to eliminate the headache.
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• 3213[16:17:37] <Bronze> Question please: Is there anyway to get a list of the "additional packages" I have installed since building my system from a release? (I use the "apt-get install" command)
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• 3222[16:19:10] <potus> Bronze: pretty sure the package manager will show them in x11
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• 3225[16:19:43] <Iridos> Bronze, why?
• 3226[16:19:52] <tikun> so, it has been a while since I've installed Debian for desktop use, I seem to be having issues getting it to work on my desktop, I have Secure Boot disabled, yet it keeps telling me it cannot find a boot device
• 3227[16:20:00] <Bronze> Iridos: I need to know how to reproduce my current set of packages.
• 3228[16:20:08] <potus> Yep Synaptic package Manager will display them after you use a filter
• 3229[16:20:22] <Bronze> potus; How do i do that mr. President?
• 3230[16:20:34] <Iridos> dpkg, tell Bronze about debian clone
• 3231[16:20:47] <potus> application -> settings -> synapatic pakcage manager
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• 3233[16:20:52] <Iridos> Bronze, see what the bot told you
• 3234[16:21:02] <Bronze> Iridos: many thanks.
• 3235[16:21:15] <Bronze> potus: Thats great. thank you.
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• 3238[16:21:34] <potus> dpkg, tell potus about debian clone
• 3239[16:21:36] <Bronze> today is clearly leg^W learning day! :-)
• 3240[16:22:26] <potus> iridos: badass!
• 3241[16:22:27] <Iridos> potus, selftell is seen as a bit spammy... use /msg dpkg debian clone
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• 3247[16:23:06] <andril> anyone using Debian as a server
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• 3251[16:24:13] <zykotick9> andril: _perhaps_ you should just ask your real question
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• 3256[16:25:34] <Iridos> Bronze, the set of packages you install with the installer isn't a fixed thing, depending on what tasks you chose... so your original question doesn't work to reproduce. but you *can* see what was installed/uninstalled recently in /var/log/dpkg.log ( /var/log/apt/history.log or /var/log/aptitude ... depending on front-end)
• 3257[16:26:01] <Iridos> dpkg, anyone using Debian as a server
• 3258[16:26:01] <dpkg> No, no one uses Debian as a server, not even the people who use it.
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• 3261[16:26:08] <bartolo> potus: can't even remove them with dpkg --force-all
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• 3263[16:26:26] <Iridos> andril, sorry... seems nobody on the whole world uses debian as a server, not even the people who use it.
• 3264[16:26:48] <Bronze> Iridos: good to know. thank you.
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• 3268[16:27:27] <andril> zykotick9, i want to run a Debian server and was looking for some help
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• 3271[16:27:43] <andril> Iridos, ok thanks for the info
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• 3279[16:28:46] <andril> Iridos, i have made Debian my primary OS and i have another machine i want to make a server any suggestions
• 3280[16:28:50] <Iridos> andril, we can only help if you ask a question on a concrete problem you have
• 3281[16:29:38] <andril> Iridos, thanks
• 3282[16:29:42] <antena-cli> Can I have a screensaver without the lock screen?
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• 3285[16:31:11] <Iridos> andril, just install from the netinstall and use whatever tasks seem useful and remove whatever tasks dont (i.e. install the server task, don't install the desktop task)... also depends on how tight diskspace etc. is...
• 3286[16:31:17] <tikun> andril, just install a base install of debian on the machine you want to act as your server, include the SSH server of course, then just SSH into it and install what you need as you need it.
• 3287[16:31:38] <bartolo> antena-cli: yes
• 3288[16:32:00] <andril> tikun, thanks for the info
• 3289[16:32:04] <Iridos> dpkg tell andril -about server task
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• 3291[16:32:19] <Iridos> (supposing those are things you want to run... else skip that, too)
• 3292[16:32:49] <andril> Iridos, thanks for helping a n00b :)
• 3293[16:32:51] <bartolo> but maybe the de you are using don't have an ui option to enable just the screensaver
• 3294[16:33:23] <antena-cli> bartolo: I'm using sid.
• 3295[16:33:24] <bartolo> the screensaver is just a waste of energy unless you are using a really old monitor
• 3296[16:33:36] <bartolo> antena-cli: I mean kde,gnome,xfce,...
• 3297[16:33:36] <antena-cli> bartolo: Sorry, Cinnamon.
• 3298[16:33:43] <bartolo> never used
• 3299[16:34:14] <rozie> bartolo: first of all, screensaver is screen locker
• 3300[16:34:35] <antena-cli> bartolo: What DE you know you can do it?
• 3301[16:34:45] <rozie> and if blank or/and powering off monitor is set, it does save energy
• 3302[16:34:51] <Iridos> bartolo, your /var/cache/apt/archives/php5-sqlite_5.6.19+dfsg-0+deb8u1_armhf.deb looks corrupted... and files list missing sounds like the file wasn't written ever...
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• 3305[16:35:56] <Iridos> bartolo, check how full the disk is... could it have been 100% full at some time? Maybe also check amount of inodes... (df -h and df -hi )
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• 3307[16:36:41] <Iridos> bartolo, if not, I would try to fsck the drive...
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• 3309[16:36:55] <bartolo> Iridos: unlikely I have only the system on that partition and there is "plenty" of free space
• 3310[16:37:05] <Iridos> then fsck
• 3311[16:37:19] <Iridos> missing files list file shouldn't happen
• 3312[16:37:30] <bartolo> antena-cli: if I'm not wrong the old kde3
• 3313[16:37:54] <bartolo> and i think that you can launch xscreensaver without locking the screen
• 3314[16:38:00] <solt87> antena-cli: I use LXDE, in Screensaver Settings there's an option "lock screen after x minutes" with a checkbox
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• 3318[16:38:18] <Iridos> also take a very close look at php5-sqlite_5.6.19+dfsg-0+deb8u1_armhf.deb ... md5sum pretty surely isn't the one from the file in the archive... maybe unpack it manually to see what's wrong with it
• 3319[16:38:59] <potus> i smell fish, do u iridos?
• 3320[16:39:14] <potus> somethings fishy!
• 3321[16:39:27] <antena-cli> solt87: What I want is to have a screensaver without the lock screen.
• 3322[16:39:35] <antena-cli> I'll send a suggestion to the community.
• 3323[16:40:02] <Iridos> antena-cli, does "without the lock screen." mean without locking?
• 3324[16:40:12] <antena-cli> Iridos: Yes.
• 3325[16:40:22] <solt87> antena-cli: in LXDE that's how you do it, you set up the screensaver but leave the screenlock unchecked
• 3326[16:40:32] <antena-cli> Iridos: I don't want to type my password every time the screensaver appears.
• 3327[16:40:44] <markybob> someone can't listen
• 3328[16:41:06] <antena-cli> solt87: Oh, okay. Thanks!
• 3329[16:41:16] <Iridos> antena-cli, just configure the screensaver not to lock... e.g. xscreensaver-demo -> [ ] Lock Screen After
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• 3331[16:41:54] <bartolo> Iridos: the hash sum is correct
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• 3334[16:42:22] <Iridos> markybob, listen to your heart.... before you tell him good-bye... :P
• 3335[16:43:01] <potus> iridos: who is he talking to?
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• 3337[16:44:25] <bartolo> I'll try a fsck
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• 3343[16:45:28] <Iridos> bartolo, how did you check md5sum?
• 3344[16:45:38] <antena-cli> Iridos: It's like this right now, but the screensaver is not appearing: replaced-url
• 3345[16:45:39] <bartolo> here replaced-url
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• 3348[16:46:27] <Ghostbird> Hey guys, I'm trying to set up a machine with two ethernet interfaces for the first time. One will create a local network, the other will link to the internet. I've managed to get the IP addresses set up (1 uses static LAN, the other DHCP internet) however when I try to access the net, DNS resolution works, but I cannot connect. I think it uses the wrong interface.
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• 3350[16:46:42] <Ghostbird> Any hint on where I should look for a solution/examples?
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• 3353[16:47:01] <Iridos> bartolo, that's not the package you have problems unpacking... that's the one installed with the missing file list
• 3354[16:47:23] <Iridos> hmm
• 3355[16:47:26] <bartolo> *coff* right
• 3356[16:47:38] <awal1> Guys, is what explained here replaced-url
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• 3358[16:47:42] <Iridos> well, actually that's also the one with the triggers syntax thing
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• 3362[16:48:59] <Iridos> bartolo, you want to check md5sum of replaced-url
• 3363[16:49:03] <awal1> I'm almost referring to systemd/autologin stuff
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• 3368[16:50:42] <bartolo> Iridos: ok also that one
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• 3371[16:51:26] <module000> Ghostbird: just a google search, but this will put you on the right track. replaced-url
• 3372[16:51:34] <Iridos> hmm
• 3373[16:51:42] <Ghostbird> module000: Thanks, I'll have a look
• 3374[16:52:21] <Ghostbird> Seems that the simplest option is to make eth0 the internet interface, and eth1 the local network. I've swapped that around.
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• 3377[16:53:11] <module000> Ghostbird: the NIC's order doesn't matter so much, just make sure your forwarding(step 3 on that page) is active, and iptables(step 4) is set to NAT your LAN and send it out the WAN interface
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• 3381[16:54:08] <Ghostbird> I wasn't that far yet. My problem at the moment was that I did have DNS, but internet access tried eth0 which was local, instead of eth
• 3382[16:54:16] <Ghostbird> s/eth$/eth0/
• 3383[16:54:23] <markybob> it matters how your default route is set. generally that's eth0
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• 3386[16:54:59] <Ghostbird> Yeah, couldn't find that quickly how that was set, so I just swapped the configuration around, and plugged the cable in the other port.
• 3387[16:55:42] <solt87> shift happens :)
• 3388[16:55:47] <Ghostbird> Ah, now I can use apt-get!
• 3389[16:56:00] <Ghostbird> Time for the next steps. Thanks guys!
• 3390[16:56:06] <solt87> apt-get moo :D
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• 3392[16:56:24] <Ghostbird> hehe
• 3393[16:57:12] <bartolo> is there a way to download an old package i wish to check the triggers of php5-pgsql against the one that I have
• 3394[16:57:46] <markybob> !tell bartolo about snapshot
• 3395[16:57:48] <tripout> hi, my tethering connection always get's killed whe i'm idling and not using any bandwith. got this reason from dmesg "[90163.172036] wlan0: deauthenticated from 02:1a:11:fa:0d:73 (Reason: 7=CLASS3_FRAME_FROM_NONASSOC_STA)"
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• 3400[16:58:34] <bartolo> the triggers are text files right? If yes then mine is surely corrupt
• 3401[16:58:37] <markybob> tripout: on my phone, tethering has a timeout option. yours probably does too
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• 3407[16:59:26] <Iridos> bartolo, you can unpack the package with ar x pkg.deb ... then there are tar-files within. yes... there are snapshots...
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• 3410[16:59:48] <jak2000> hi all i want install proxmox, following the guide when type this command: "sudo wget -O- "replaced-url
• 3411[16:59:56] <jak2000> hi all i want install proxmox, following the guide when type this command: "sudo wget -O- "replaced-url
• 3412[17:00:06] <jak2000> sorry escuse me for double typed
• 3413[17:00:21] <carp> Hi guys. I have a machine with 2 hard drives. One has Debian, the other has xp. I am on the brink of finally commiting and switching over to Debian properly.
• 3414[17:00:30] <markybob> jackburton: because apt-key add is not being run by root
• 3415[17:00:45] <markybob> jak2000: ^
• 3416[17:00:57] <markybob> jak2000: when you pipe it like that it doesn't carry over. su
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• 3418[17:01:30] <jak2000> ok
• 3419[17:01:34] <themill> jak2000: downloading a key over an insecure channel and then trusting it does rather defeat the entire purpose of having a signature.
• 3420[17:01:45] <carp> Im wondering if someone could recommend a really beginner friendly guide on tips for making the switch over, for things like transferring my documents, pictures, music etc.
• 3421[17:01:57] <jak2000> i am reading the official wiki
• 3422[17:02:08] <jak2000> replaced-url
• 3423[17:02:08] <themill> people publish all sorts of crap
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• 3431[17:03:29] <bartolo> Iridos: ok it's clearly corrupted without even cheking the hash. It's not a text file
• 3432[17:03:30] <Iridos> bartolo, triggers of php5-pgsql look like this replaced-url
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• 3434[17:03:53] <solt87> jak2000: as markybob said, it's the sudo; just place it in front of apt-key instead (no need for sudo to wget)
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• 3436[17:04:48] <bartolo> have to check the disk for errors
• 3437[17:04:51] <bartolo> :(
• 3438[17:05:11] <mtn> carp: put your files you want to transfer on an external drive (usb, dvd, etc.). then copy them to debian
• 3439[17:05:12] <jak2000> ok done
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• 3442[17:05:37] <carp> Also, I havent booted the Debian harddrive for a while. Am I correct the first things I need to do is 'apt get update' and 'apt get dist upgrade'
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• 3444[17:05:51] <mtn> carp: in other words, make a backup ;)
• 3445[17:06:03] <Ghostbird> carp: almost, it's dist-upgrade, with a dash.
• 3446[17:06:16] <markybob> jak2000: also keep in mind proxmox isn't supported in here.
• 3447[17:06:18] <carp> Ghostbird: yeah
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• 3449[17:06:39] <jak2000> markybob ok thnaks
• 3450[17:06:45] <tripout> markybob, can't find any option and the guys from cyanogenmod channel say that it's a debian problem
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• 3452[17:07:12] <DeaDSouL> is there anyway to know when was my debian being installed ?
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• 3454[17:07:42] <carp> mtn: I was wondering if Debian prefers if I use a fixed folder structure or if it doesnt really matter. Random tips like that, which an xp user might not think of. I want to start off doing it 'properly' as it were.
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• 3458[17:07:57] <Iridos> DeaDSouL, none that cannot fail
• 3459[17:08:02] <markybob> tripout: i have an android, though not cyanogenmod. it has it to disconnect by default after 10 minutes. i can't imagine how this could be a debian problem
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• 3461[17:08:19] <jak2000> yes i too have no answer on proxmox, anyone can see: replaced-url
• 3462[17:08:51] <markybob> jak2000: no one here can support that
• 3463[17:08:57] <markybob> !tell jak2000 about dontbreakdebian
• 3464[17:09:01] <mtn> carp: you can put your personal files anywhere you want them to be in your home folder. there will probably already be folders such as Pictures in your home folder
• 3465[17:09:08] <solt87> carp: what do you mean by fixed folder structure? in your home directory you have "unlimited" freedom
• 3466[17:09:56] <jak2000> markybob ok thans
• 3467[17:10:32] <jak2000> ok, other question for install mysql is: apt-get install mysql mysql-client mysql-common
• 3468[17:10:33] <jak2000> ?
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• 3470[17:11:11] <markybob> jak2000: the server? you want mysql-server
• 3471[17:11:20] <jak2000> yes mysql-server
• 3472[17:11:22] <bartolo> carp: you can use whatever folder structure you want the only difference is that some programs may have as default directories the default ones. But it's just a matter of changing that
• 3473[17:11:27] <carp> mtn solt87 OK cool, I will design a folder structure to my liking within the Home folder and/or use the pre existing ones there. Its all a bit scary at the moment still hehe.
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• 3477[17:12:23] <bartolo> for example amarok and rhythmbox (two music players) by default (if I'm not wrong) are pointing by default on the music folder on your home
• 3478[17:12:23] <jak2000> its ok: apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client mysql-common
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• 3480[17:12:46] <markybob> jak2000: yes that works. or should. i don't know with your third party stuff
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• 3483[17:13:49] <jak2000> i ask because if exist a backdoor package...
• 3484[17:14:02] <carp> bartolo: thanks
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• 3487[17:15:07] <jak2000> *backports
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• 3489[17:15:53] <markybob> jak2000: there is no mysql-server in backports
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• 3534[17:34:16] <bartolo_> ok the disk is broken
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• 3548[17:39:13] <iron_houzi> I'm installing apache2 and mod_wsgi from package manager and I'm having a really bad time since httpd.conf is in /usr/local/apache2/ and looks for modules in /usr/local/apache2/modules .. but the package manager has installed mod_wsgi.so in /usr/lib/apache2/modules :( How can I fix this?
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• 3551[17:39:40] <bartolo_> thanks for the help
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• 3554[17:40:07] <markybob> iron_houzi: debian doesn't do that
• 3555[17:40:31] <iron_houzi> markybob: what doesn't debian do? I'm running on debian jessie ..
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• 3557[17:40:41] <markybob> iron_houzi: put things in /usr/local/apache2
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• 3559[17:41:11] <iron_houzi> markybob: Hmm .. OK. I'll have a closer look then. Thanks
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• 3562[17:41:33] <TomTomTosch> are you using something like composer or the debian package manager?
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• 3585[17:50:03] <TomTomTosch> * or pip
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• 3623[18:05:32] <Abbott> plex is an application that is seemingly easy to keep up to date without the package manager. To prevent a complete meltdown, installing .deb packages allows for easy removal later (as compared to building and installing from source)
• 3624[18:05:43] <Abbott> does that all sound right?
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• 3641[18:08:14] <bkpark> o.O how would you install a .deb without a package manager like dpkg?
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• 3644[18:09:10] <TomTomTosch> sound right for what?
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• 3647[18:09:36] <bkpark> Abbott: it sounds self-contradictory (i.e. wrong for anything)
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• 3653[18:13:06] <Abbott> sorry i guess I was confusing my terminology
• 3654[18:13:10] <SynrG> bkpark: you have a use case for that?
• 3655[18:13:15] <Abbott> I would install the .deb with dpkg but not apt-get
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• 3657[18:13:21] <bkpark> if you meant it has no dependencies (i.e. doesn't need apt), then that sounds bad, too---either it's so simple it needs no libraries, or instead of using shared libraries, it's using a static library included with the package.
• 3658[18:13:32] <SynrG> Ah
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• 3661[18:13:55] <SynrG> Sorry, missed some context. I'm caught up now. :)
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• 3667[18:14:39] <Abbott> bkpark: I think the latest version of the .deb package uses the same dependencies I would be using with the older version I can get with apt
• 3668[18:14:47] <bkpark> to me, what not needing apt means is, the package is not well-integrated with Debian.
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• 3671[18:15:22] <bkpark> like a proprietary software from someone who is just releasing .deb without wanting to maintain a repo (or release enough info for a repo to be maintained by someone)
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• 3674[18:16:33] <Abbott> bkpark: the package I would be updating this way would be Plex, for what it's worth
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• 3677[18:16:50] <bkpark> i can understand if you are on debian testing/stable and just want to grab latest .deb, but it's not a selling point for the package.
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• 3679[18:17:33] <TomTomTosch> "easy to keep up to date" means it has built in update functionality?
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• 3681[18:17:51] <Abbott> TomTomTosch: yes
• 3682[18:17:51] <bkpark> for me, i would try to find a repo that's regularly updated, so that apt-get update && apt-get upgrade keeps all the software on my system up to date.
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• 3684[18:18:17] <bkpark> wait. within the software? does it run suid root?
• 3685[18:18:28] <TomTomTosch> Abbott, then i would say / without the need to add external sources
• 3686[18:18:31] <markybob> plesk is a serious thing. that worries me. it does a lot of shit
• 3687[18:19:03] <TomTomTosch> or third-party
• 3688[18:19:10] <Abbott> it sends a push notification upon opening when it needs an update, but I need to manually update the package by installing the .deb it gives me
• 3689[18:19:28] <bkpark> TomTomTosch: isn't Plex *the* third party?
• 3690[18:19:35] <markybob> !plesk
• 3691[18:19:35] <dpkg> Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. replaced-url
• 3692[18:19:41] <markybob> yes
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• 3695[18:20:01] <TomTomTosch> bkpark, yes.
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• 3697[18:20:06] <bkpark> i like the Google Chrome model better---when you install chrome's .deb, it adds its repo to the list.
• 3698[18:20:18] <TomTomTosch> i don't.
• 3699[18:20:23] <Abbott> there isn't a debian repo, but there is an ubuntu repo
• 3700[18:20:28] <bkpark> so apt-get update && apt-get upgrade keeps Chrome updated (straight from Google) as well as the rest of the system.
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• 3702[18:20:45] <Abbott> would it be better to add the debian repo, or to just use the outdated debian versions?
• 3703[18:20:53] <markybob> plesk can do fucked up shit like install other packages, wordpress, etc. where do they get those from? their own again?
• 3704[18:21:05] <markybob> i wouldn't touch it
• 3705[18:21:18] <bkpark> i guess for me, all my desktop systems are actually ubuntu. only my servers are debian, where i care more about stability than bleeding edge.
• 3706[18:22:03] <TomTomTosch> are we answering different questions?
• 3707[18:22:09] <bkpark> probably. :)
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• 3709[18:22:28] <Abbott> markybob: The package is Plex, the media server software
• 3710[18:22:48] <markybob> Abbott: oh i thought you meant the web control piece of shit
• 3711[18:23:00] <teraflops> Since when is ubuntu bleeding edge?
• 3712[18:23:07] <markybob> Abbott: i think that'd be fine, to be honest. you're on your own though.
• 3713[18:23:15] <bkpark> well, debian stable certainly ain't.
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• 3715[18:23:28] <TomTomTosch> duh.
• 3716[18:23:42] <bkpark> oh, yeah. something that apt offers that installing random .deb doesn't---signature check.
• 3717[18:24:06] <teraflops> I asked about Ubuntu. Debian stable is fine the way it is thanks :P
• 3718[18:24:18] <Abbott> would checking the md5 before install be a comparable security check bkpark?
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• 3720[18:24:31] <teraflops> Nvm off topic
• 3721[18:24:38] <bkpark> sure, if you trust the website where md5 is posted?
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• 3723[18:25:13] <bkpark> (but then, you are *probably* downloading the .deb from the same website where md5 is posted ...)
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• 3727[18:26:35] <TomTomTosch> md5 is a bit useless. and debian also checks the signature, not sure how one would implement this with a third-party thingy.
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• 3732[18:27:59] <brpcol> Anyone know why Gnome Shell is ignoring my LD_PRELOAD when I run programs?
• 3733[18:29:32] <Abbott> thanks for the help guys
• 3734[18:29:46] <bkpark> brpool: is the "program" a shell script?
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• 3737[18:30:38] <bkpark> hm. actually, i'm not sure if the script has to explicitly pass on the variables specified ...
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• 3739[18:30:55] <bkpark> what happens if you change your env, like do export LD_PRELOAD before you run the program?
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• 3762[18:37:06] <brpcol> bkpark: it works if I run stuff from the terminal. If i open a new terminal window and i run a program then it'll use the LD_PRELOAD var properly
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• 3764[18:37:19] <brpcol> but if I run it from the gnome shell app launcher, it seems to ignore it
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• 3777[18:42:09] <Iridos> brpcol, you only set the variable inside your terminal, it isn't set in the gnome shell app launcher
• 3778[18:42:13] <Iridos> nor should it be
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• 3780[18:42:33] <Iridos> most likely
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• 3782[18:42:36] <HelloAtMega> guys
• 3783[18:42:48] <HelloAtMega> How do I re-launch gnome shell?
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• 3785[18:43:20] <Iridos> HelloAtMega, gnome-shell --replace
• 3786[18:43:46] <Iridos> HelloAtMega, reading "man gnome-shell" would have told you that
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• 3788[18:44:04] <Iridos> hm. what do you mean with re-launch
• 3789[18:44:22] <brpcol> Iridos: I'm setting it via a script in profile.d, how would I get gnome shell to use it?
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• 3792[18:45:09] <HelloAtMega> Iridos, I'm following some steps to accomplish something and one step is to reload the gnome shell
• 3793[18:45:11] <HelloAtMega> reload
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• 3795[18:45:14] <HelloAtMega> not relaunch
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• 3798[18:46:04] <Iridos> brpcol, what are you changing anyway? you can break all kinds of things with ld preload...
• 3799[18:46:20] <brpcol> I'm trying to get this to work: replaced-url
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• 3803[18:47:05] <brpcol> HelloAtMega: try entering 'r' at the Alt-F2 prompt
• 3804[18:47:09] <brpcol> I think that reloads gnome shell
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• 3806[18:47:33] <Iridos> HelloAtMega, my answer probably fits, then
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• 3809[18:49:19] <Iridos> brpcol, the github page already mentions .xsessionrc
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• 3812[18:49:59] <brpcol> Yeah, I've tried that to no avail
• 3813[18:50:04] <Iridos> that's a pretty ugly thing
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• 3823[18:56:15] <Iridos> brpcol, who knows if STARTUP is set as they think
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• 3838[18:58:47] <Iridos> and obviously that only does anything if STARTUP shows x-session-manager and that points to gnome-session
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• 3910[19:30:58] <planetmaker> did you copy that verbatim or adopt as required?
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• 3921[19:33:21] <stalkerua> guys i am searching for simple socks5 server with authorization support
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• 3926[19:33:55] <stalkerua> i found dante-server package on debian site but it's no longer support in wheezy
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• 3928[19:34:44] <stalkerua> so my question - what is modern socks5 server which is supported by debian stable maintainers?
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• 3938[19:39:08] <stalkerua> hpsockd huh?
• 3939[19:40:14] <eMaks> squid3 but not sure if socks was fully implemented there
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• 3942[19:40:41] <zophy> my debian testing distro's version of netcat doesn't have the "-x" proxy option, is there a different package or additional package that i can install to get that option ?
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• 3948[19:41:52] <markybob> zophy: neither does stable's. so i'm guessing no. btw, testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
• 3949[19:41:56] <stalkerua> eMaks: squid3 doesn't support socks
• 3950[19:42:23] <blind> zophy: which netcat do you have? there's traditional and bsd, at least for stable.
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• 3952[19:42:44] <zophy> markybob, tnx
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• 3954[19:43:22] <zophy> blind, nc -h shows [v1.10-41]
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• 3957[19:45:14] <jmcnaught> zophy: try the netcat-openbsd package
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• 3960[19:46:27] <zophy> jmcnaught, yes, i bet that will be better
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• 3966[19:48:34] <wsirccc> Hi,
• 3967[19:48:34] <wsirccc> question: Where can I find any help for planing my project developing qemu-buro.dpkg?
• 3968[19:48:34] <wsirccc> Who could help me?
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• 3973[19:49:31] <catbeard> instructions for proper mirroring, or becoming a mirror?
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• 3975[19:50:02] <markybob> catbeard: replaced-url
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• 3981[19:53:12] <hadobadobo> guys how do i copy a file into the dir that might exist, how do i create all this subdirs? for example: cp /dir/that/exist/file.jpg /dir/that/doesn/t/exits/file.jpg
• 3982[19:53:33] <solt87> rsync?
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• 3984[19:54:21] <MrDowntempo> I'm running a new Jessie install (actually bunsen-labs) My 2nd monitor is not being detected, even by ARandR. I know it's not a hardware issue as it works in Win10 which I dual boot with. It also works in other distros from the start (KaOS most recently). I'm a little befuddled as to where and how to tweak it.
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• 3992[19:56:56] <stalkerua> please advise me alive socks5 server for debian please
• 3993[19:57:04] <stalkerua> with authorization support ofc
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• 3996[19:58:14] <luxio> Alright, so I don't know why but whenever I boot into debian my WiFi works for a second, but then it just cuts out
• 3997[19:58:28] <luxio> It acts like the network doesn't exist (that's what I see on Xfce)
• 3998[19:58:30] <stalkerua> dante-server, hpsockd, SS5 - everything i found outdated for 3 years at least and require only compiling from outdated sources
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• 4026[20:07:14] <maziar> hello i have a file with 1000 line, i want to add + to first of all lines, how can i do it ?
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• 4031[20:08:06] <stalkerua> unbelivable, i just found tool for using encrypted socks5 which requires special software on client side replaced-url
• 4032[20:08:08] <rozie> maziar: sorry, don't understand. please provide example input and desired output
• 4033[20:08:30] <rozie> (pastebin)
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• 4035[20:08:41] <stalkerua> but i still can't find my subj with simple socks5+basic authorization out from box
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• 4037[20:09:14] <maziar> i have file it has 1000 line, like line1 : a , line2:b , i want to add "+" to first of all of lines
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• 4039[20:09:38] <markybob> maziar: probably sed 's/^/+/' filename
• 4040[20:09:45] <markybob> maziar: backup first
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• 4042[20:09:59] <maziar> markybob let me check
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• 4044[20:10:18] <ScreamerX> jelly, replaced-url
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• 4047[20:11:09] <markybob> maziar: btw there is ##sed they can probably help you better
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• 4056[20:14:03] <jelly> ScreamerX: glad you figured it out
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• 4070[20:19:39] <wsirccc> Is it possible and how much time one should invest for it?
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• 4077[20:22:17] <maziar> markybob its work but not saved, why ?
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• 4080[20:22:42] <markybob> maziar: just pipe it. add "> newfile" to the end of the command (with no quotes)
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• 4096[20:31:00] <markybob> maziar: all good?
• 4097[20:31:15] <maziar> markybob thank you so much yes its work
• 4098[20:31:22] <markybob> maziar: great :)
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• 4100[20:33:27] <stalkerua> so any advices about apt-get install socks5-server-with-authorisation-2016 ?
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• 4105[20:35:10] <hihou> Hello why the apt package conflicts with manpages-it package ?
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• 4108[20:36:03] <greycat> jessie's apt only conflicts with python-apt (<< 0.7.93.2~)
• 4109[20:36:19] <greycat> it replaces manpages-it (<< 2.80-4~)
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• 4113[20:36:48] <greycat> jessie's manpages-it is 2.80-5 so that should be OK
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• 4126[20:41:39] <MrDowntempo> Is /etc/X11/xorg.conf still the place for xorg.conf? Or is it different these days?
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• 4129[20:42:58] <markybob> MrDowntempo: it works, it's just not defaultly created
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• 4134[20:43:34] <MrDowntempo> I ask because I'm installing an nvidia driver and I used nvidia-xconfig to create it. If it works then, that is not the issue I'm having :)
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• 4136[20:43:44] <jmcnaught> MrDowntempo: are you using bunsenlabs?
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• 4138[20:45:27] <MrDowntempo> I am indeed
• 4139[20:45:42] <markybob> jmcnaught: how the fuck did you guess that?
• 4140[20:45:47] <MrDowntempo> I've got backports enabled as well
• 4141[20:45:56] <MrDowntempo> He may have seen me in #bunsenlabs :)
• 4142[20:46:13] <MrDowntempo> Or superpowers. Don't rule out superpowers
• 4143[20:46:23] <jmcnaught> MrDowntempo: only Debian is supported here, not derivatives
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• 4145[20:46:31] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell MrDowntempo about based on debian
• 4146[20:46:39] <MrDowntempo> :/
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• 4149[20:46:59] <jmcnaught> markybob: they said it earlier and i was going to mention it then but they left
• 4150[20:47:52] <MrDowntempo> The question I'm asking pertains to any debian based system. I'm not holding anyone here responsible for their support either.
• 4151[20:48:20] <stalkerua> same with my socks question btw
• 4152[20:48:40] <markybob> MrDowntempo: it's not a question of being nice. it's a matter of use not being able to have any idea what they've changed. so we can't help effectively and it wastes your time and ours
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• 4155[20:49:03] <markybob> us* not being able
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• 4165[20:51:38] <stalkerua> am i invisible here?
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• 4167[20:51:57] <stalkerua> even already registered via nickserv
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• 4169[20:52:15] <markybob> stalkerua: you're visible. if someone has nothing to add they don't speak.
• 4170[20:52:16] <rattking> no we read you
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• 4176[20:53:22] <Draggin> Good evening. I've been using Linux for quite some time now, but I'm only a tinkerer, by no means an expert. I've worked mainly with Ubuntu and Debian(-like) distros. I've now gotten to the point where I have a couple of computers (including two Raspberry Pi) and I want to set up a cache server to save on bandwidth when updating all of these different machines. However, I understand that on different architectures, there are
• 4177[20:53:22] <Draggin> different binaries and packages for the same software. So now I'm wondering about "source repositories". Is this the answer for me to try and save bandwidth? Make exclusive use of source repositories on all my machines so that only the diff files essentially need to be downloaded uniquely to each machine? Or do I misunderstand what source-repositories are for?
• 4178[20:53:23] <stalkerua> my question is not about any mistirious issue, i just can't believe that nobody can advise package what i need
• 4179[20:53:45] <Draggin> stalkerua, I just joined - what were you asking about?
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• 4181[20:53:57] <jmcnaught> stalkerua: if someone knows an answer to your question they'll help you. maybe not a lot of people use socks5?
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• 4183[20:54:52] <stalkerua> Draggin: i need socks5 server with authorisation which is supported by debian-stable
• 4184[20:54:54] <Riverside> OS: Wheezy HW: VMWare ESXi 6.0 ISSUE: Can't get Plymouth to show a splah screen on boot
• 4185[20:55:21] <Draggin> stalkerua, Oh dear... Way beyond my level of expertise, sorry :/
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• 4188[20:57:42] <stalkerua> Draggin: np, i am just thinking maybe anybody would say about package which is number one in debian :) as example - squid3 , which support many different proxies but not socks
• 4189[20:58:04] <jmcnaught> stalkerua: "debtags tagsearch proxy" tells me there's a use::proxying tag. "aptitude search ~Guse::proxying" has some results. did you look at redsocks?
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• 4199[21:01:28] <donttrustem> Hi guy’s I just built a D8 server and for some reason tab_completion is not working even though it is in the .bashrc
• 4200[21:01:29] <stalkerua> jmcnaught: yes, i checked everything from replaced-url
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• 4203[21:02:16] <stalkerua> redsocks is not standalone
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• 4207[21:03:59] <ScottE> stalkerua: Most people I know use ssh -D these days when socks is needed
• 4208[21:04:30] <stalkerua> ScottE: i know that method but it doesn't support authorization
• 4209[21:04:53] * greycat uses *two* ssh -D socks proxies from the work PC in case one goes down or lags out
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• 4216[21:08:15] * donttrustem has checked and sratching his head …. tab_completion not working bizzare
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• 4224[21:09:35] <jmcnaught> donttrustem: not working for any user, or just root? have you logged out and back in? how are you logging in?
• 4225[21:09:53] <donttrustem> jmcnaught: working for root
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• 4227[21:10:06] <donttrustem> not for a user
• 4228[21:10:10] <donttrustem> or users
• 4229[21:10:26] <donttrustem> I have logged out and in
• 4230[21:10:36] <jmcnaught> Draggin: i think if you're looking to save bandwidth a simpler solution would be to use a caching proxy like apt-cacher-ng
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• 4233[21:11:34] <jmcnaught> donttrustem: not even simple tab completion works, like files in the $PWD?
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• 4239[21:12:43] <donttrustem> jmcnaught: no if I tab I just get a blank space … so cd /v tab just tabs and leaves a space
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• 4242[21:13:20] <jmcnaught> donttrustem: and if you run "ps" as that user, it's definitely bash?
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• 4244[21:14:02] <donttrustem> PID TTY TIME CMD
• 4245[21:14:03] <donttrustem> 14590 pts/1 00:00:00 sh
• 4246[21:14:03] <donttrustem> 14593 pts/1 00:00:00 ps
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• 4248[21:14:33] <donttrustem> jmcnaught: I am not sure what the output should be
• 4249[21:14:33] <abrotman> donttrustem: echo $0
• 4250[21:14:34] <jmcnaught> donttrustem: so not bash. "getent passwd <user>" will show default shell. chsh can change a user's default shell
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• 4253[21:15:00] <donttrustem> bin/sh
• 4254[21:15:14] <donttrustem> need to change it
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• 4258[21:15:36] <donttrustem> will change it to bash
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• 4264[21:17:02] <donttrustem> jmcnaught: Thanks for your help
• 4265[21:17:49] <jmcnaught> donttrustem: did you use useradd to create the user? you could check the man page for it to see how it selects the default shell, or use adduser
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• 4268[21:18:08] <donttrustem> jmcnaught: yeah I did
• 4269[21:18:31] <donttrustem> Thanks …. I will check it out
• 4270[21:18:34] <greycat> useradd is the low-level tool, not really intended to be used unless you're scripting a mass addition
• 4271[21:18:43] <greycat> adduser is the high-level tool
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• 4275[21:19:22] <donttrustem> now trying to get this installed :S but this is not working source ~/.rvm/scripts/rvm
• 4276[21:19:36] <greycat> what's not working about it?
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• 4279[21:20:37] <donttrustem> root@buildme:/opt# source ~/.rvm/scripts/rvm
• 4280[21:20:38] <donttrustem> -bash: /root/.rvm/scripts/rvm: No such file or directory
• 4281[21:20:49] <greycat> Well, that's clear enough.
• 4282[21:20:58] <donttrustem> yeah
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• 4284[21:21:18] <donttrustem> but I have to find them
• 4285[21:21:31] <greycat> Review the instructions before this point to see what went wrong.
• 4286[21:21:58] <jmcnaught> donttrustem: rvm is the ruby version manager? sounds like something that shouldn't be used as root
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• 4288[21:22:09] <donttrustem> OK
• 4289[21:22:17] <donttrustem> will install as the user
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• 4292[21:23:10] <jmcnaught> donttrustem: my general rule of thumb with package managers for programming languages and related tools is never as root
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• 4294[21:23:24] <donttrustem> Thanks
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• 4301[21:27:09] <donttrustem> hmm! not working for me
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• 4320[21:31:49] <donttrustem> this will work I think replaced-url
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• 4322[21:32:49] <jmcnaught> donttrustem: or "apt-get install ruby-compass"
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• 4324[21:33:20] <donttrustem> top man :)
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• 4328[21:33:52] <donttrustem> LOL … it help when you know where to look :)
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• 4330[21:34:46] <jmcnaught> donttrustem: it's always worth trying what's available in Debian before resorting to third party sources and other package managers like bundler. "apt-cache search", or "aptitude search" if you need more flexibility
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• 4332[21:35:10] <donttrustem> Thanks again
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• 4379[21:51:02] <Chikan> Anyone can help me pls to ddos a small criminal pedophile Network ? >>> irc.mindforge.org
• 4380[21:51:05] <Chikan> Anyone can help me pls to ddos a small criminal pedophile Network ? >>> irc.mindforge.org
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• 4394[21:55:16] <mirokai> hello guys
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• 4396[21:55:24] <t4nk030> howdpes it works?
• 4397[21:55:26] <ataldis> test
• 4398[21:55:37] <t4nk030> hello
• 4399[21:55:59] <mirokai> I've got a problem I couldn't solve yet and I don't understand the background of it
• 4400[21:56:10] <mirokai> I've got my mail server (exim4) in this case configured as internet server over smtp ... it is all fine and e-mails can be send to external addresses
• 4401[21:56:27] <mirokai> but when my crontab tries to send to a linux user like root the mails get frozen
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• 4411[21:58:48] <jmcnaught> mirokai: you may need to adjust your /etc/aliases. if you have log entries from when this happens putting them on replaced-url
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• 4424[22:01:24] <GeMiNniS> smart_girl, is a spam bot
• 4425[22:01:28] <GeMiNniS> hello
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• 4428[22:01:40] <mirokai> thank you jmcnaught ... this is the output of exim4 mail body replaced-url
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• 4432[22:03:19] <f0f4r> I'm using debian as server and something my haproxy block and I cannot to my site, the only thing that I see is the tcp syn from clients and the server doesn't reply with ack
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• 4434[22:03:41] <jmcnaught> mirokai: where do you want mails for root to go? do you have an alias for root in /etc/aliases?
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• 4438[22:04:02] <jmcnaught> GeMiNniS: do you mean that you're getting private messages from them?
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• 4443[22:04:31] <pr4xxx> .
• 4444[22:04:35] <f0f4r> I took private msg from smart_girl too
• 4445[22:04:37] <mirokai> my /etc/aliases contains a line root: root
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• 4447[22:04:47] <greycat> mirokai: well, that's a circle. It needs to go elsewhere.
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• 4453[22:07:34] <mirokai> but where should it go? I want it to be delivered to the user root.
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• 4470[22:10:58] <greycat> /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.gz says "No Exim 4 version released with any Debian OS can run deliveries as root."
• 4471[22:11:15] <greycat> You have to redirect it to a non-superuser account.
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• 4475[22:12:52] <dimitry7> hey guys, how can i know the port in which samba is running?
• 4476[22:13:01] <dimitry7> i've heard not to use netstat anymore
• 4477[22:13:24] <Fox682> you could nmap yourself
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• 4479[22:14:02] <Fox682> or from another box, etc.
• 4480[22:14:07] <dimitry7> okay
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• 4483[22:14:43] <Fox682> was there a specific warning or just speculation about netstat specifically?
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• 4485[22:15:18] <mirokai> i added an entry to /etc/aliases redirecting root to an unprivileged user, but it still freezes
• 4486[22:15:38] <dimitry7> error
• 4487[22:15:42] <dimitry7> is there a better way?
• 4488[22:15:45] <dimitry7> something like netstat
• 4489[22:15:51] <dimitry7> that lists the service and the port
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• 4495[22:17:34] <jhutchins> dimitry7: I don't know why you wouldn't use netstat. That's what it's for. You can also search /etc/services, or look at smb config to see where it's set to listen.
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• 4500[22:18:40] <mirokai> i noticed that it tries to send e-mails to the unprivileged user, but it still apends the external domain at the end
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• 4502[22:19:02] <dimitry7> jhutchins, I heard there's something better. Because netstat sometimes lies (not for this I guess)
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• 4506[22:19:44] <pr4xxx> *if rand() == 3 then lie.tell("you look good today")*
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• 4515[22:21:03] <jhutchins> dimitry7: Netstat might not always be accurate about remote connection details, but it should be accurate for local ports in use and listening. A remote connection could have a spoofed address.
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• 4519[22:22:55] <calebwill> mirokai: do you have local delivery working at all? is most mail handed to something else like procmail or dovecot?
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• 4522[22:23:41] <greycat> Maybe he has to unfreeze the old messages? I don't really know exim4 all that well.
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• 4524[22:23:47] <dimitry7> jhutchins, Ok. I've allowed all traffic and still can't connect to samba shares.
• 4525[22:24:22] <jhutchins> mirokai: You could make the alias user@localhost
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• 4527[22:25:16] <jhutchins> dimitry7: Time to look at the samba configuration and logs. Are you sure it's running?
• 4528[22:25:26] <mirokai> I tried root: user@localhost and then it stops freezing messages ... but they still don't arrive at the users mailbox
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• 4530[22:26:19] <jmcnaught> mirokai: are you checking logs or just going by bounce messages?
• 4531[22:27:23] <dimitry7> jhutchins, yeah it's running. Logs say nothing and telnet neither
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• 4533[22:27:32] <mirokai> logs don't contain anything, I just check it with exim -bp and the message body with exim -Mvb <id>
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• 4535[22:27:41] <dimitry7> i can ping the host though
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• 4537[22:28:42] <jmcnaught> mirokai: i'm a lot more familiar with postfix than exim4, but which logs are you checking? I'm assuming it uses similar logs like /var/log/mail.{err,log,info}
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• 4539[22:29:36] <mirokai> yes exactly those logs I'm checking
• 4540[22:30:21] <jmcnaught> it's strange that a delivery failure wouldn't be reported somewhere in there
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• 4543[22:30:44] <greycat> !frozen mail
• 4544[22:30:44] <dpkg> frozen mail is, like, <damf> FeliX-D: exim -M message-id will immediately attempt to remail a frozen mail. <Zygo> greycat: needs to know about exim -qff (all frozen mail) and the 'auto_thaw' parameter (send frozen mail every N seconds)
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• 4548[22:32:20] <mirokai> another thing to mention: my port 25 is closed and my /etc/mailname is the external domain of my server
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• 4550[22:32:38] <greycat> incoming shouldn't matter here
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• 4554[22:33:14] <dimitry7> jhutchins, # smbpasswd -a traffic
• 4555[22:33:17] <dimitry7> that was missing :)
• 4556[22:33:22] <jhutchins> dimitry7: does smbclient -L \\hostname show you the shares?
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• 4558[22:33:53] <mirokai> local mails are still sent as user@external.domain ... i dont get it
• 4559[22:34:10] <dimitry7> jhutchins, yes, except one
• 4560[22:34:17] <greycat> mirokai: because that's what you have in /etc/mailname ?
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• 4567[22:35:29] <dimitry7> jhutchins, see: replaced-url
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• 4572[22:36:30] <mirokai> yes i get that, I'm just confused now
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• 4585[22:41:06] <mirokai> so what I got now is: I su to user1 and do echo "test" | mail -s "bla" root@localhost ... my /etc/aliases contains root: user2@localhost
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• 4587[22:41:27] <mirokai> the email does not get frozen, but it does not get delivered, it just vanishes
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• 4612[22:53:14] <jhutchins> mirokai: What do the logs say is happening to it? They're usually pretty detailed about exactly what the server's doing with each message.
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• 4615[22:54:44] <mirokai> there is nothing in the logs. But I think my whole hostname/mailname thingy is misconfigured
• 4616[22:55:12] <jhutchins> Which mailserver?
• 4617[22:55:21] <mirokai> exim4
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• 4620[22:55:43] <bluszcz> hello, which channel I should address packaging deb question?
• 4621[22:55:48] <jhutchins> dimitry7: Try running testparm, and make sure you've restarted samba since the last config change.
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• 4629[22:59:59] <jmcnaught> mirokai: perhaps you have logging disabled or the loglevel is too low? turning logging on or increasing the loglevel will likely help you figure this out
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• 4637[23:03:47] <jmcnaught> bluszcz: you can ask in here. if you are working on getting a package included in Debian there's also a #debian-mentors channel on irc.oftc.net
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• 4640[23:06:55] <mirokai> okay this is very very strange
• 4641[23:07:04] <bluszcz> jmcnaught: excellent, thank you for answer, basically i can't really understand how to handle properly DESTDIR inside my qmake based game. I tried not to set it, set in various way, but packaged game always is being archived in /home/user/game/debian/game/usr/games instead of /usr/games
• 4642[23:07:23] <mirokai> i deleted my own entries out of /etc/aliases and now i can send mails from root to user@localhost and they ARRIVE!!!
• 4643[23:07:36] <mirokai> how is this even working?
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• 4646[23:08:52] <bluszcz> my qmake file and debian/rules are following replaced-url
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• 4648[23:09:52] <mirokai> I entered user1: user1 in /etc/aliases and then this happends (I got the logging to work now): 1aoH8K-0003oy-JR <= user1@example.com U=user1 P=local S=353 1aoH8K-0003oy-JR ** user2@example.com <user2@localhost> R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp: retry time not reached for any host after a long failure period
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• 4652[23:11:15] <jack_thompson> debian/unstable: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace can't be configured using "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" anymore... wasn't that patronizing enough? how unprofessional is this going to get?
• 4653[23:11:36] <jmcnaught> bluszcz: sorry i'm still faily novice with packaging myself, but maybe someone else here will know if you're patient
• 4654[23:11:40] <jack_thompson> how do i enable those keys again?
• 4655[23:11:50] <jack_thompson> why was it changed in the first place?
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• 4658[23:12:08] <bluszcz> jmcnaught: sure
• 4659[23:12:27] <jack_thompson> so unprofessional people "can" reboot instead of having to press those keys?
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• 4662[23:13:46] <jack_thompson> do these people at freedesktop.org really think that when people have the choice between microsoft/windows and linux/windows they will choose linux/windows?
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• 4665[23:14:01] <jack_thompson> shit... this is retarded as fuck...
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• 4667[23:14:23] <jack_thompson> am i shadow-banned?
• 4668[23:14:25] <jack_thompson> fuck
• 4669[23:14:32] <jack_thompson> fuckety fuck in the ass!
• 4670[23:14:35] <Fox682> lol
• 4671[23:14:35] <jack_thompson> fuck fuck fuck
• 4672[23:14:40] <greycat> jack_thompson: stop that.
• 4673[23:14:45] <jack_thompson> ok... thanks
• 4674[23:14:46] <Fox682> not banned... yet
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• 4677[23:14:56] <jack_thompson> i am sorry.. had to be sure...
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• 4679[23:15:08] <jmcnaught> mirokai: i wonder if the mails that simply disappeared ended up in a mbox somewhere that you're just not familiar with. from your log snippet it looks like exim is still trying to use a remote relay to deliver mail that you want delivered locally. you'll probably need to spend some time reviewing exim4 docs and/or the README.Debian file
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• 4682[23:16:06] <jack_thompson> well... i have a problem with my linux... freedesktop.org is desperate to reinvent windows badly.. by streamlining X11 for retards...
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• 4685[23:16:24] <greycat> Still working on that +q I see.
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• 4687[23:16:40] <Fox682> need to lower the barrier to entry, for the windows noobs, etc etc.
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• 4691[23:17:25] <jack_thompson> Fox682 who cares about those unprofessional people?
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• 4694[23:17:39] <jack_thompson> they drag down everything with them...
• 4695[23:17:56] <jack_thompson> ui am about to switch distributions because of this...
• 4696[23:18:09] <jack_thompson> ill go linuxfromscratch if necessary..
• 4697[23:18:20] <greycat> Go ahead.
• 4698[23:18:20] <Fox682> been there done that, it's a pain and it's a lot of time
• 4699[23:18:22] <jack_thompson> i have dozens of chroot running already... geez...
• 4700[23:18:50] <Fox682> you can also pick a DE that you prefer, you don't need a dumbed down one if that's what you're worried about
• 4701[23:19:00] <greycat> I don't even use a DE.
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• 4704[23:19:51] <jack_thompson> you mean something else than freedesktop.org x11?
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• 4708[23:20:14] <greycat> I use startx, fvwm, rxvt-unicode, and web browsers.
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• 4711[23:20:55] <jack_thompson> uh.. are you kidding me?
• 4712[23:20:59] <greycat> No.
• 4713[23:21:07] <jack_thompson> startx is part of freedesktop.org x11, isn't it?
• 4714[23:21:19] <markybob> he said DE
• 4715[23:21:24] <jack_thompson> i mean that is what i am using right now...
• 4716[23:21:30] <greycat> A DE is GNOME, KDE, Xfce, etc. I don't use any of those.
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• 4718[23:21:48] <jack_thompson> so DE == window manager...
• 4719[23:21:51] <greycat> No.
• 4720[23:21:54] <jack_thompson> but that has nothing to do with X11
• 4721[23:22:03] <teraflops> jack_thompson: if you dislike xorg do not use it, use wayland instead
• 4722[23:22:04] <greycat> fvwm is a window manager
• 4723[23:22:07] <jack_thompson> DE == window manager + bloat
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• 4725[23:22:51] <jack_thompson> does wayland with official driver like fron nvidia?
• 4726[23:22:54] <jack_thompson> *drivers
• 4727[23:23:03] <jack_thompson> *work with
• 4728[23:23:13] <markybob> wayland barely works as is
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• 4730[23:23:21] <teraflops> jack_thompson: well there is a ultrabetaicrasheverytime but you can use nouveau :P
• 4731[23:23:33] <jmcnaught> jack_thompson: on my unstable "debconf-show keyboard-configuration" is still showing a "keyboard-configuration/ctrl_alt_bksp", maybe your DEBIAN_PRIORITY is too low?
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• 4733[23:24:20] <jack_thompson> i tried nouveau...
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• 4736[23:25:04] <jack_thompson> jmcnaught i just installed that package in that chroot..
• 4737[23:25:24] <jack_thompson> ill make sure i didnt got confused
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• 4745[23:29:11] <mirokai> oh my gosh i got it working with exim
• 4746[23:29:46] <mirokai> the key is that I needed to accept mails from the ip address of the fqdn in /etc/mailname
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• 4748[23:30:05] <mirokai> although port 25 is closed and no mails come from outside
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• 4751[23:30:30] <mirokai> but exim4 sends local mails over the mailname and so it needs to accept them from that corresponding ip
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• 4753[23:30:57] <jack_thompson> okay... i can set it with "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration"... but i want normal users to be able to terminate X11 too
• 4754[23:31:06] <jmcnaught> mirokai: glad you figured it out
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• 4757[23:31:44] <mirokai> it still doesn't make so much sense for me but it works kinda
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• 4762[23:32:13] <TheKernelMan> Hi
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• 4764[23:32:33] <jack_thompson> shit... looks like ill need another chroot to fix that...
• 4765[23:32:41] <axc1298> i'm having trouble viewing documents in other languages. i installed a package in debian repos which had some fonts, and now those fonts appear in applications like Writer, but the documents are still unreadable
• 4766[23:33:00] <jmcnaught> jack_thompson: maybe you could use more "professional" language please?
• 4767[23:33:05] <jack_thompson> starting x11 as someone who can terminate it... and then the rest from that chroot...
• 4768[23:33:46] <jack_thompson> jmcnaught but i have an unprofessional problem... :D
• 4769[23:34:21] <jack_thompson> if things weren't streamlined for unprofessional people i wouldnt haev a problem...
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• 4776[23:35:30] <jack_thompson> ah man... there have been so many regressions... i think linux really is ready for the desktop now.. lol
• 4777[23:35:34] <teraflops> jack_thompson: stop calling people unprofessional, what the hell are you, a labor inspector?
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• 4779[23:36:25] <jack_thompson> teraflops yes i call people, who need to have terminate-x11 taken away from them so they do not get confused, unprofessional...
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• 4785[23:38:42] <jack_thompson> i hope these regressions will escalate /faster/... so we can have a professional operating system (that uses the linux kernel) /sooner/...
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• 4791[23:39:13] <aricz> haha..
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• 4811[23:44:54] <luxio> I've been having problems recently with my install of Debian
• 4812[23:45:09] <luxio> After I boot, the internet cuts off after about 30 minutes, or it doesn't work entirely after boot
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• 4815[23:45:36] <luxio> There have been other people experiencing this problem, is there any solution?
• 4816[23:45:58] <markybob> luxio: give the whole story. aren't you the cell phone tether guy?
• 4817[23:46:04] <luxio> No
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• 4824[23:49:08] <maziar> i have 3 file : file1.txt : a,b,c file2.txt:x,b,z i want file3.txt:b ,,,,, by diff command
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• 4826[23:49:54] <luxio> like, it just stopped working
• 4827[23:50:07] <luxio> when i tried to go on a webpage
• 4828[23:50:15] <jmcnaught> luxio: can you provide logs or journalctl output from when it happens?
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• 4830[23:50:43] <luxio> Gladly, how do I get those?
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• 4832[23:51:13] <teraflops> luxio: also the nic model (chipset, pci id)
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• 4834[23:52:23] <jmcnaught> luxio: something like "journalctl --since -10min > disconnect_logs.txt" and then reboot, put that file on replaced-url
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• 4836[23:52:46] <luxio> jmcnaught: when I reboot now, the internet doesn't work at all
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• 4839[23:53:38] <jmcnaught> luxio: but it works sometimes? turning on persitent journald as described in /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian will probably be helpful
• 4840[23:53:51] <teraflops> luxio: it can be a lot of things including 2 daemons for managing the network connections running at the same time, and so on
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• 4842[23:54:44] <Mathisen> quick question: if i add a task for crontab do i need specify the full path for rsync in my case or can i just do " 0 1 * * * rsync -av --delete /path /path " for example
• 4843[23:55:43] <luxio> is /var/log/journal a file or a folder?
• 4844[23:56:33] <Mathisen> or do i need to make bash script for crontab to run ?
• 4845[23:56:34] <jmcnaught> luxio: it's a directory, but i recommend to use the commands in that README.Debian verbatim
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• 4848[23:57:09] <luxio> Mhm, I just entered both of those
• 4849[23:57:12] <luxio> Now what?
• 4850[23:57:37] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: cron should be able to find rsync in the $PATH
• 4851[23:57:57] <jmcnaught> luxio: now you'll be able to access the journal from previous boots which will make finding errors easier
• 4852[23:58:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1704
• 4853[23:58:10] <luxio> jmcnaught: so I just try to get the error again?
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• 4855[23:59:20] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, soo adding " 0 1 * * * rsync -av --delete /path /path " should work then ? im no expert at all in this
• 4856[23:59:23] <jmcnaught> luxio: yeah.. "journalctl --list-boots" will tell you which boots it has journals for. "journalctl --boot 0" will show the current boot, "--boot -1" the previous boot and so on
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