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• 19[00:07:13] <Valdebrick> frikinz, yes ovh
• 20[00:07:20] <bin_bash> can you provide details on how you're gettign that error, uda
• 21[00:07:21] <bin_bash> er
• 22[00:07:25] <bin_bash> upp*
• 23[00:07:33] <bin_bash> o\h i guess hes not here
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• 25[00:07:58] <Valdebrick> if anyone else can help, I'm running as root, and I'm getting "permission denied on key 'kernel.core_pattern'" when I do "sysctl -w kernel.core_pattern=core" anyone know why that would be?
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• 28[00:08:16] <bin_bash> are you running as full root
• 29[00:08:41] <Valdebrick> as far as I know. user name is "root"
• 30[00:08:42] <bin_bash> like did you do su or su - or sudo su -l
• 31[00:08:45] <bin_bash> how did you get to root
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• 35[00:08:52] <Valdebrick> logged in ssh as root
• 36[00:08:55] <bin_bash> oh
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• 39[00:10:00] <bin_bash> Valdebrick: replaced-url
• 40[00:10:20] <Valdebrick> yeah, I've checked that and it offers no explanation.
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• 43[00:10:35] <zmitya> hi guys
• 44[00:10:56] <zmitya> I am trying to do my first service file on a fresh Jessie... replaced-url
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• 47[00:11:03] <zmitya> if I di systemctl start fw
• 48[00:11:06] <bin_bash> Valdebrick: so the permissions are correct then?
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• 51[00:11:26] <Valdebrick> yes bin_bash
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• 53[00:11:35] <zmitya> it does not start my script for some reason
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• 55[00:11:48] <Almtesh> Hi everyone!
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• 58[00:12:09] <bin_bash> Valdebrick: what kernel version
• 59[00:12:16] <Almtesh> Anyone knows why I would need the root access to ping on my box?
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• 63[00:12:31] <bin_bash> no?
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• 65[00:12:49] <bin_bash> unless it's a shared host or something and ping has been elevated for root users only
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• 69[00:13:12] <Almtesh> No, it's a desktop, I'm the only user.
• 70[00:13:20] <rattking> ping is usually suid isn't it?
• 71[00:13:33] <Valdebrick> bin_bash, 2.6.32-042stab111.12
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• 73[00:13:40] <bin_bash> i've never needed root to ping
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• 77[00:14:23] <bin_bash> Valdebrick: give me the output of this: ls -l /proc/sys/kernel/co*
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• 80[00:14:33] <jmcnaught> Valdebrick: it looks like the type of VPS is a container running on an ancient kernel that you don't control
• 81[00:14:41] <TomTomTosch> Almtesh, what does '/bin/ping google.com' say?
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• 83[00:15:06] <bin_bash> oo jmcnaught good catch.
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• 85[00:15:13] <samuelorr> Why is Debian on a slow flash drive 10x faster than Mac OS X on my Mac Mini? Is OS X really that horribly slow? And why?
• 86[00:15:20] <bin_bash> what?
• 87[00:15:29] <bin_bash> lol
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• 89[00:15:51] <bin_bash> how did you benchmark that
• 90[00:15:54] <TomTomTosch> samuelorr, if that's a debian live cd then it will load into ram and be pretty fast.
• 91[00:16:00] <Valdebrick> bin_bash, replaced-url
• 92[00:16:09] <TomTomTosch> samuelorr, maybe your hdd is just very slow.
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• 95[00:16:33] <samuelorr> Possibly, but Windows is pretty fast too, and it’s even on the edge of my drive.
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• 98[00:16:40] <bin_bash> hm Valdebrick im gonna say that jmcnaught is right and it's to do with your vps
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• 100[00:16:49] <Valdebrick> ok thanks guys
• 101[00:16:50] <bin_bash> samuelorr: how did u benchmark it
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• 104[00:17:08] <bin_bash> can i see the results
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• 106[00:17:32] <samuelorr> ill try to find my geek bench
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• 108[00:17:36] <jmcnaught> Valdebrick: if you need control of your kernel in a VPS shop around for a KVM or Xen VPS, and ask the provider if you can run your own kernel. This VPS is using a non-Debian kernel
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• 111[00:18:01] <samuelorr> but how fast programs execute is so obviously better on debian that its frustrating
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• 113[00:18:12] <bin_bash> samuelorr: well it depends on the programs
• 114[00:18:14] <markybob> Valdebrick: if you want a suggestion...linode is pretty good
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• 117[00:18:46] <samuelorr> ill try a real install on my disk and hopefully I dont mess up my boot. :) Then I will get back to you.
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• 119[00:18:47] <Valdebrick> will do. thanks again all, appreciated.
• 120[00:18:52] <TomTomTosch> samuelorr, well, debian is pretty slim, which makes it rather fast.
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• 122[00:19:14] <trysten> could there be a difference between pv /dev/sdc > sdc.img and dd if=/dev/sdc of=sdc.img
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• 124[00:19:30] <bin_bash> samuelorr: if it's a mac and you already have windows install you need to reimage the whole thing
• 125[00:19:32] <bin_bash> lol
• 126[00:19:36] <bin_bash> he's going to fuck his computer up
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• 130[00:19:54] <TomTomTosch> meh, not a debian issue :3
• 131[00:19:57] <bin_bash> i hope he comes back crying cuz he broek it
• 132[00:20:05] <TomTomTosch> i don't.
• 133[00:20:08] <trysten> heh
• 134[00:20:10] <markybob> bin_bash: then you're stupid
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• 136[00:20:18] <bin_bash> why am i stupid?
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• 139[00:20:31] <s7r> where can i download testing .iso?
• 140[00:20:34] <markybob> bin_bash: hoping someone harm that'll cause more problems for him and work for us. that's stupid.
• 141[00:20:52] <markybob> s7r: alpha 5 is pretty messed up. i wouldn't.
• 142[00:21:10] <markybob> s7r: you should use stable installer and dist-upgrade if you must
• 143[00:21:11] <bin_bash> markybob: it wouldn't cause work for us at all
• 144[00:21:13] <s7r> markybob: but where is the place? i can't find it on debian.org
• 145[00:21:15] <bin_bash> replaced-url
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• 147[00:21:50] <markybob> bin_bash: you still wished someone harm. you need to slow your roll
• 148[00:21:51] <TomTomTosch> s7r, don't use that to install testing.
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• 152[00:22:23] <TomTomTosch> s7r, go with the stable install and upgrade to testing like markybob said. you will find the stable installer on debian.org
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• 155[00:23:06] <s7r> TomTomTosch: yeah already have that.
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• 157[00:23:15] <s7r> i should get the sources.list from /etc/apt?
• 158[00:23:37] <bin_bash> lol
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• 164[00:24:11] <s7r> sorry edit* TomTomTosch
• 165[00:24:11] <TomTomTosch> !tell s7r about stable->testing
• 166[00:24:27] <TomTomTosch> s7r, the bot has given you instructions.
• 167[00:24:38] <jmcnaught> s7r: if you're not very experienced with Debian you should consider using Jessie for a while to get your sea legs
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• 169[00:24:57] <s7r> thanks.
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• 182[00:27:26] <upp> replaced-url
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• 184[00:27:45] <upp> i have add the last 2 lines in source.list
• 185[00:27:49] <upp> and after apt-get update
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• 187[00:27:54] <upp> W: GPG error: replaced-url
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• 190[00:28:02] <markybob> upp: no. you done fucked that up
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• 192[00:28:13] <markybob> upp: you don't mix debian and ubuntu and expect things to work
• 193[00:28:19] <markybob> !tell upp about dontbreakdebian
• 194[00:28:34] <teraflops> upp: ereplaced-url
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• 196[00:28:50] <upp> i havn't see ubuntu there, just copy paste :D
• 197[00:29:00] <upp> replaced-url
• 198[00:29:05] <upp> take a look ^^
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• 201[00:29:31] <upp> some tutorial are shit
• 202[00:29:34] <TomTomTosch> ye, that's a terrible idea.
• 203[00:29:35] <markybob> upp: your last two lines are ubuntu sources. and i don't need to watch a youtube video to know that. you should see what the bot told you about dontbreakdebian
• 204[00:30:00] <teraflops> upp: well, avoid youutube tutorials as the bubonic plague :P
• 205[00:30:17] <upp> markybob: i get, the video was a tuto, so i thought it was from a good source
• 206[00:30:34] <upp> teraflops: what is the alternative?
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• 208[00:30:58] <teraflops> wiki.debian.org
• 209[00:31:04] <jmcnaught> upp: even if a third party repo works at first, it might break a future upgrade. gotta ask yourself if a theme is worth risking the integrity of your system
• 210[00:31:05] <teraflops> or just ask here
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• 212[00:32:49] * zykotick9 suggests two signs a video tutorial might not be a good one: 1) music and 2) they use nano
• 213[00:32:58] <teraflops> lel
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• 215[00:33:50] <upp> jmcnaught: so i will install it with git :-)
• 216[00:34:20] <upp> the downside of clone a git repo is update
• 217[00:35:19] <Almtesh> TomTomTosch, sorry for the delay, it says "ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted".
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• 221[00:36:30] <jmcnaught> upp: again, it's up to you if it's worth it.
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• 237[00:40:39] <teraflops> Almtesh: hmm, I'm late to the dinner, tried reinstalling iputils-ping
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• 239[00:40:43] <TomTomTosch> Almtesh, what does 'ls -alF /bin/ping' say?
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• 247[00:44:07] <teraflops> Almtesh: also `sudo getcap /bin/ping`
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• 250[00:45:09] <teraflops> i guess reinstalling is fine, if not chmod u+s, unless weird things happens there
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• 253[00:45:25] <teraflops> reinstalling the package not the system :P
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• 262[00:48:43] <Almtesh> TomTomTosch, "-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 44K nov. 8 2014 /bin/ping*"
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• 268[00:49:58] <Almtesh> teraflops, "Failed to get capabilities of file `/bin/ping' (Operation not supported)"
• 269[00:50:40] <jmcnaught> Almtesh: have you installed any sort of security software like apparmor or selinux? what does "uname -a" say?
• 270[00:51:10] <Almtesh> jmcnaught, "Linux Stardust 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-1 (2016-03-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux"
• 271[00:51:35] <Almtesh> jmcnaught, I don't know is selinux or apparmor is installed.
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• 273[00:52:14] <Almtesh> jmcnaught, I have installed Iceweasel, I know it installs apparmor configuration, but I don't know if apparmor is actually installed.
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• 275[00:52:41] <teraflops> Almtesh: try to chmod u+s /bin/ping. also, did you rsynched the system from a backup, using a weird (or borked) filesystem, etc...?
• 276[00:53:14] <jmcnaught> Almtesh: you'd probably remember setting apparmor up. What was the output of "/sbin/getcap /bin/ping"? You shouldn't need to use setuid root as teraflops is suggesting
• 277[00:54:28] <Almtesh> teraflops, setting u+s will execute ping as root, that does not resolve the problem.
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• 279[00:54:58] <jmcnaught> Almtesh: getcap tells me: /bin/ping = cap_net_raw+ep
• 280[00:55:07] <Almtesh> jmcnaught, "Failed to get capabilities of file `/bin/ping' (Operation not supported)"
• 281[00:55:14] <teraflops> Almtesh jmcnaught right
• 282[00:56:04] <Almtesh> teraflops, what do you call a "weird filesystem"?
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• 284[00:56:14] <jmcnaught> Almtesh: run the getcap command as root then
• 285[00:56:31] <Almtesh> jmcnaught, I get the same message.
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• 287[00:56:55] <teraflops> Almtesh: I said sudo for getcap :P
• 288[00:57:09] <TomTomTosch> is this a normal installation or some docker stuff? looks like the fs does not support extended attributes?
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• 290[00:57:14] <Almtesh> teraflops, yes, you did.
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• 292[00:57:48] <teraflops> also `setcap cap_net_raw+ep /sbin/ping` sounds saner if is missing the capability
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• 294[00:58:00] <Almtesh> TomTomTosch, I don't know what is docker, my installation is normal, but not done from a installation iso.
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• 297[00:58:09] <teraflops> Almtesh: ah
• 298[00:58:27] <jmcnaught> Almtesh: how was it installed then? It sounds like capabilities are disabled on your system
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• 300[00:58:30] <Almtesh> TomTomTosch, the box does not have any hard drive, I boot it from network.
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• 302[00:59:32] <Almtesh> jmcnaught, how could I enable the capability?
• 303[00:59:54] <teraflops> `setcap cap_net_raw+ep /sbin/ping`
• 304[01:00:02] <teraflops> sorry /bin/ping
• 305[01:00:19] <Almtesh> teraflops, as root, I suppose.
• 306[01:00:23] <teraflops> yeah
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• 310[01:00:52] <Almtesh> Failed to set capabilities on file `/bin/ping' (Invalid argument)
• 311[01:00:52] <Almtesh> The value of the capability argument is not permitted for a file. Or the file is not a regular (non-symlink) file
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• 314[01:01:46] <Almtesh> The mount line for /bin : "10.255.1.1:/srv/netboot/systems/stardust on / type nfs (rw,relatime,vers=3,rsize=524288,wsize=524288,namlen=255,hard,nolock,proto=tcp,port=2049,timeo=7,retrans=10,sec=sys,local_lock=all,addr=10.255.1.1)"
• 315[01:01:49] <jmcnaught> Almtesh: can you check if "acl" is in the default mount options of your root filesystem? If it's ext4, it'll be "tune2fs -l /dev/sdX" (or whatever your root fs is on)
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• 317[01:02:09] <jmcnaught> ahhh...
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• 319[01:02:40] <Almtesh> Yes, nfs for network boot, I don't use iSCSI, I don't really like.
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• 321[01:02:51] <clearskies> Hey - anyone know why gnome isn't respecting some environment vars (namely LD_PRELOAD) when I launch programs?
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• 328[01:04:34] <Almtesh> jmcnaught, how do I activate the acl for a nfs filesystem.
• 329[01:04:44] <Almtesh> They are activated on the nfs server.
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• 331[01:05:18] <Almtesh> Wait a minute, how did ping work for the previous version, I remember that it already worked.
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• 333[01:06:00] <jmcnaught> Almtesh: i'm not sure exactly
• 334[01:06:00] <teraflops> Almtesh: they forget to activate it?
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• 340[01:07:38] <teraflops> it's like running a openvz container and trying to enable tun but you cannot unless they do, I guess
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• 342[01:08:21] <jmcnaught> Almtesh: nfs(5) says acl is a mount option
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• 344[01:08:32] <Almtesh> OK, I will see later, I'm tired.
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• 350[01:09:11] <Almtesh> Thanks TomTomTosch, teraflops, jmcnaught, and good night to you, I'm going to bed.
• 351[01:09:28] <Almtesh> I will see if I can activate the acl in any maner.
• 352[01:09:28] <teraflops> Almtesh: np, at least you figure out the issue
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• 355[01:09:36] <teraflops> figured*
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• 409[01:31:06] <trysten> so.. can I operate without a DNS cache daemon?
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• 412[01:31:56] <trysten> because that seems to be happening. I don't have BIND or any other recognizable cacher
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• 414[01:32:26] <trysten> scripts
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• 436[01:41:26] <labyrinth153> im convinced open source is the best, i installed debian on my mac and it works flawlessly fast
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• 444[01:42:43] <labyrinth153> thanks everyone :)
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• 498[02:05:05] <Iridos> oh my... systemd
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• 552[02:34:34] <awal1> Installing pkg foo: foo depends on pkg A and recommends pkg B. pkg A recommends pkg C. If I pass --no-install-recommends argument to apt, apt will not install pkg B but will apt prevent pkg A from installing pkg C too?
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• 555[02:36:00] <awal1> I mean, when using --no-install-recommends apt prevents the pkgs recommended by dependencies from being installed too?
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• 557[02:36:53] <awal1> yes, ehm?
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• 568[02:39:57] <awal1> or maybe not ...
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• 639[03:17:25] <Ephexeve> hey guys, having a few issues setting gpg-agent with ssh.
• 640[03:17:39] <Ephexeve> Apparently ssh-add -L doesn't get my pgp auth keys, any idea what can this be?
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• 642[03:17:53] <Ephexeve> if I kill ssh, kill gpg-agent then start again, it works
• 643[03:17:59] <Ephexeve> but after a while it loses my key again
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• 647[03:20:23] <mlin112> hi. i installed kodi in stable. i am unable to launch it. it crashes while trying to launch. could this be related to my nvidia graphics?
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• 654[03:23:23] <awal1> mlin112, for start lauch kodi from terminal and see the output
• 655[03:23:42] <awal1> as regular user of course
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• 657[03:24:42] <mlin112> ok
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• 659[03:25:13] <mlin112> i tried. it says: Failed to open BO for returned DRI2 buffer (1920x1080, dri2 back buffer, named 16). This is likely a bug in the X Server that will lead to a crash soon. Segmentation fault (core dumped)
• 660[03:26:10] <mlin112> it creates a crashlog but i can't see anything useful in it: replaced-url
• 661[03:26:21] <mlin112> at least nothing that stands out in the crash log to me
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• 674[03:31:35] <ashes-mobile> can i install nslookup without nameD?
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• 677[03:33:41] <markybob> ashes-mobile: wtf is a nameD?
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• 679[03:34:16] <ashes-mobile> markybob: the bind name server daemon
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• 681[03:35:02] <markybob> ashes-mobile: oh bind. yeah, sure. it installs libbind9-90 but not bind itself
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• 683[03:35:27] <markybob> ashes-mobile: apt-cache show package will tell you everything it depends on
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• 685[03:35:45] <ashes-mobile> aptitude search nslookup, doesn't show anything
• 686[03:35:53] <ashes-mobile> except a perl module
• 687[03:36:14] <markybob> ashes-mobile: the package is dnsutils
• 688[03:36:18] <ashes-mobile> ok
• 689[03:36:20] <ashes-mobile> thanks
• 690[03:36:54] <ashes-mobile> i want a caching name server for a small network (20-40 clients). what is suggested?
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• 692[03:37:00] <karlpinc> ashes-mobile: dig is better than nslookup.
• 693[03:37:02] <ashes-mobile> dnsmasq, unbound, or bind?
• 694[03:37:29] <karlpinc> ashes-mobile: It's a matter of taste, mostly. Do you need split-horizon lookups?
• 695[03:37:31] <markybob> ashes-mobile: dnsmasq is easy as hell. bind isn't bad though. i use both for different things
• 696[03:37:38] <ashes-mobile> karlpinc: no
• 697[03:37:52] <markybob> smoke time. tag team!
• 698[03:37:53] <karlpinc> ashes-mobile: unbound + nsd is pretty cool.
• 699[03:38:19] <ashes-mobile> i just want to speed up dns lookups for the clients
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• 701[03:38:34] <karlpinc> ashes-mobile: Use unbuond.
• 702[03:38:37] <karlpinc> unbound
• 703[03:39:00] <karlpinc> ashes-mobile: It does only recursive nameserving +_cache. Just what you want.
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• 705[03:39:09] <ashes-mobile> ok
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• 707[03:39:38] <karlpinc> ashes-mobile: You don't want to lookups for your own names, right?
• 708[03:39:39] <ashes-mobile> thanks
• 709[03:39:49] <ashes-mobile> uhm
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• 711[03:40:42] <karlpinc> ashes-mobile: The names of the boxes on your network are already assigned, somewhere... ?
• 712[03:41:21] <ashes-mobile> i am tethering a wireless connection... my debian system is a beagle board with a wifi dongle connecting to a restrictive wireless lan, and ethernet goes to a dd-wrt router. so the dd-wrt is doing the local host name lookups
• 713[03:41:42] <karlpinc> ashes-mobile: Then use unbound for the caching nameserver.
• 714[03:41:54] <ashes-mobile> ok
• 715[03:42:03] <karlpinc> ashes-mobile: It's lightweight too.
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• 726[03:48:45] <un214> how do I turn off the console delay on incorrect password?
• 727[03:49:04] <KobraLocke> Anyone know how to use Netflix on 32bit systems? Chrome support was dropped, and I can't find a method of viewing Netflix that actually works.
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• 730[03:49:41] <markybob> KobraLocke: i don't think you can
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• 732[03:50:17] <KobraLocke> Seriously?
• 733[03:50:24] <markybob> KobraLocke: seriously.
• 734[03:50:27] <KobraLocke> I find it hard to believe, but I cant seem to find anything suggesting otherwise.
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• 783[04:17:30] <fred1807> how do I restart networking after a new eth0 static config in entered at /etc/network/interfaces ? (debian wheezy without GUI/desktop)
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• 787[04:18:04] <markybob> fred1807: /etc/init.d/networking restart in wheezy should do it
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• 790[04:18:33] <fred1807> markybob: and what would do in Jessie? As I am about to upgrade soon
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• 793[04:19:34] <markybob> fred1807: actually that'd work on jessie too. but you should use ifup/ifdown that kinda thing.
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• 796[04:21:12] <fred1807> okay
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• 803[04:26:35] <jmcnaught> !restart networking
• 804[04:26:36] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, the use of the networking init script to reload networking configuration («/etc/init.d/networking restart») is discouraged. Instead, perform the actions you really want. Re-apply changes from /etc/network/interfaces: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0. Remove all iptables rules: iptables -F. See also <mdblows>.
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• 806[04:26:59] <markybob> thought that's what i said :P
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• 809[04:27:47] <jmcnaught> sometimes /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't work in wheezy, or squeeze evn
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• 820[04:32:28] <chromatin> Are we doing the xscreensaver discussion or did I miss it?
• 821[04:32:37] <markybob> !xscreensaver
• 822[04:32:37] <dpkg> somebody said xscreensaver was upstream doesn't understand how stable distro works so users are getting "very old" alerts. consider light-locker if you need something. replaced-url
• 823[04:32:47] <karlpinc> chromatin: You missed it.
• 824[04:32:56] <chromatin> markybob: :| thanks, I know the story
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• 827[04:33:15] <TomTomTosch> we don't rant in here :P
• 828[04:33:23] <chromatin> I had to laugh out loud when I read Melleus’ email comparing JWZ to , and I quote, “terrorists"
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• 834[04:35:56] <chromatin> So what’s the consensus here? Certainly I can see the direction on the bug report page.
• 835[04:36:32] * TomTomTosch shrugs
• 836[04:36:34] <chromatin> IMO it is unreasonable to expect upstream authors uninvolved with Debian in any way to maintain a package
• 837[04:37:03] <TomTomTosch> who expects that?
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• 839[04:37:48] <chromatin> Some of the posters on the bug page. Certainly, there are others with more reasonable views (Paul Tagliamonte makes cogent posts)
• 840[04:38:40] <TomTomTosch> chromatin, this is mostly a support channel. you are invited to share your views in #debian-offtopic though.
• 841[04:40:00] <chromatin> TomTomTosch : ChanServ join message indicates “This is a discussion channel” ; I took that to mean discussion. Sorry to disturb :|
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• 843[04:41:08] <TomTomTosch> !ot
• 844[04:41:08] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 845[04:41:30] <chromatin> Not disagreeing, just wish that were the join message
• 846[04:41:55] <TomTomTosch> chromatin, not a big deal, just wanted to get it clear x)
• 847[04:42:29] <chromatin> In other channels I wander in policy is off-topic okay but the minute someone asks technical question, all off-topic is dropped *shrug*
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• 850[04:44:57] <markybob> chromatin: because there's #debian-offtopic
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• 853[04:45:58] <chromatin> markybob Yes, thank you
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• 859[04:48:18] <aatish910> Are official ISO images created using debian-live scripts?
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• 861[04:49:09] <karlpinc> What do kernel messages like these mean? replaced-url
• 862[04:50:03] <karlpinc> aatish910: No. They are made with the debian-cd package.
• 863[04:50:15] <karlpinc> aatish910: (Or so the package claims anyway.)
• 864[04:50:48] <aatish910> karlpinc, Any docs available for that?
• 865[04:51:23] <karlpinc> aatish910: The package has a description, and the commands are required to have man pages. I think there may also be a page on wiki.debian.org.
• 866[04:51:33] <aatish910> karlpinc, thanks
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• 876[05:01:55] <Guest79151> hey all
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• 878[05:02:52] <karlpinc> aatish910: Or, you could tell us what you're really trying to do and see if we can help.
• 879[05:03:01] <Guest79151> im trying debian8.4 with kde - someone knows i can disable "application-names" inside taskbar - i want only see application-icons like under win7
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• 881[05:03:33] <aatish910> karlpinc, I am trying to create a custom ISOs with LTSP server
• 882[05:03:40] <aatish910> *ISO
• 883[05:04:20] <jmcnaught> karlpinc: does anything else happen when you get those log entries? a crash or something?
• 884[05:04:42] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: No. It's running as a VM, FYI.
• 885[05:05:35] <jmcnaught> karlpinc: and the first lines of your paste are where it starts?
• 886[05:05:38] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: It produced about 4 times that many messages within about 6 hours of booting, and none since. (We're clueless. We'd never know if the system was slow etc.)
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• 889[05:06:08] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: I think the last lines are where it ends. let me look for where it starts.
• 890[05:06:29] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: (I googled about any the only hits were related to xen.)
• 891[05:06:45] <jmcnaught> karlpinc: me too, same. this isn't Xen?
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• 897[05:08:49] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: Dunno if it's xen. Could well be. Some vm.
• 898[05:09:10] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: I believe, but would not swear, that this is where it starts: replaced-url
• 899[05:09:28] <TomTomTosch> systemd-detect-virt ? :3
• 900[05:09:48] <jmcnaught> karlpinc: ahh so it's just more of the same? I was wondering if there were any clues that precede those messages
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• 902[05:10:00] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: I think not.
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• 906[05:11:06] <karlpinc> It feels like "hey, someone's masking my interrupts", "oh, never mind". Or something....
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• 911[05:13:25] <karlpinc> Yah. systemd-detect-virt says "xen".
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• 920[05:15:27] <markybob> jmcnaught: i only use kvm. that's a xen thing? weird ass kernel messages?
• 921[05:15:48] <ashes-mobile> can any of you suggest a way to have a radio station playing random mp3's? i'd like to give users a choice of genre's based on directories. maybe owncloud?
• 922[05:15:49] <TomTomTosch> those are pretty large masks x)
• 923[05:15:49] <karlpinc> markybob: They did stop after a while. :-)
• 924[05:16:11] <karlpinc> TomTomTosch: Y
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• 927[05:16:40] <TomTomTosch> 4096 bit x)
• 928[05:17:16] <karlpinc> TomTomTosch: When in Rome, be a roman candle.
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• 930[05:19:26] <fred1807> My root fs is Read Only. I have google DNS set on /etc/resolv.conf. I will enter a specific static config on /etc/network/interfaces, and I would like to leave the google dns at /etc/resolv.conf . Can I force dns settings on /etc/network/interfaces?
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• 932[05:20:06] <jmcnaught> markybob: seems like all the search results that karlpinc and i got searching for lines from his log paste related to Xen. I don't know enough about it to comment though
• 933[05:20:19] <karlpinc> fred1807: using network-manager?
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• 935[05:20:46] <fred1807> karlpinc: Sorry, I dont know the answer. I am using debian wheezy, command line only
• 936[05:20:47] <karlpinc> fred1807: Or dhclient?
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• 939[05:21:06] <karlpinc> fred1807: How are you getting IP numbers assigned, staticly or with dhcp or some other way?
• 940[05:21:26] <fred1807> karlpinc: static config, and I want to set DNS for this specific static network
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• 942[05:22:10] <karlpinc> fred1807: /etc/resolv.conf should not change. Unless you use network-manager or dhclient. What is happening that you do not expect?
• 943[05:22:43] <karlpinc> fred1807: (And, it might be a good idea to consider following the instructions in the release notes and upgrading to jessie.)
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• 947[05:26:33] <fred1807> karlpinc: I never used a static config on interfaces before... Always dhcp.. and my resolv.conf used to get the dns automatically. Remember my fs is mainly RO now... So I just set resolv.conf to 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 I guess I have network-manager updating resolv.conf... Now I am entering static config in interfaces I wonder if I need to change resolv.conf or if I can enter DNS adress togheter with static config and that will ignore resolv.conf
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• 951[05:27:47] <jmcnaught> fred1807: it might help if you make a paste of your /e/n/interfaces file (change the IP addresses if they're not local)
• 952[05:27:55] <Aussie_matt> hi all: I'm trying to mount a usb drive, I'm in the recovery terminal in the devbian installer, I believe it's busy box, when I try to mount it, it say "No such device" yet you can see it with blkid
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• 954[05:28:40] <jmcnaught> fred1807: also does it say "managed=false" in/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf? that shold tell NetworkManager to ignore anything defined in /e/n/interfaces (and is the default)
• 955[05:28:59] <karlpinc> fred1807: You can't add dns info to the interfaces file. What you can do is prevent other things from modifying /etc/resolv.conf. You are probably running dhclient to get dhcp address(es) for your interface(s). You can modify it's configuration file (man dhclient.conf) and tell it you don't want dhcp to set dns. Then your resolve.conf won't be changed.
• 956[05:29:15] <markybob> he beat me to it. you need to edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
• 957[05:29:46] <karlpinc> Aussie_matt: What command are you using to try to mount it?
• 958[05:30:08] <jmcnaught> fred1807: karlpinc: actually you can put "dns-nameservers x.x.x.x" in the interfaces file, but i think you need resolvconf installed for that. see replaced-url
• 959[05:30:28] <markybob> if you do that then remove network-manager. there's no need.
• 960[05:30:31] <karlpinc> jmcnaught: Er. Ok. (I hate resolvconf)
• 961[05:31:02] <jmcnaught> karlpinc: it works for what i use it for.. anyways a static iface shouldn't need it
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• 963[05:31:04] <Aussie_matt> karlpinc: thanks for response: it's exfat on /dev/sda1 so I made /tmp/temp, "mount -t exfat /dev/sda1 /tmp/temp"
• 964[05:31:12] <fred1807> guess I will just manually edit resolv.conf
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• 969[05:32:18] <karlpinc> Humm. Couldn't be just /dev/sda? (Sometimes usb sticks are like that. Especially fat.)
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• 973[05:34:02] <karlpinc> Aussie_matt: ^^
• 974[05:34:21] <Aussie_matt> karlpinc: blkid give "/dev/sda1: UUID:3139-3931" TYPE="exfat"
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• 977[05:35:01] <Aussie_matt> using mount sda or sda1 gives same result
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• 979[05:35:12] <Aussie_matt> should this shell have exfat support?
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• 981[05:35:45] <markybob> Aussie_matt: did you install exfat-utils and exfat-fuse?
• 982[05:36:20] <Aussie_matt> markybob: no, I've just booted the install media, once in the installer ctrl-alt-f2 to a terminal
• 983[05:36:34] <markybob> Aussie_matt: you need to install those. they're not default
• 984[05:36:49] <karlpinc> Aussie_matt: What are you trying to accomplish?
• 985[05:37:09] <Aussie_matt> karlpinc: trying to dd the internal hard drive before I go installing anything
• 986[05:37:24] <Aussie_matt> dd HDD --> usb for backup
• 987[05:37:47] <karlpinc> Aussie_matt: You want to dd into a file?
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• 990[05:38:22] <markybob> now i'm confused. but what i said stands. exfat support isn't default and you need to manually install them.
• 991[05:38:26] <Aussie_matt> yes i think so, image of the HDD as a file..oh hell....fat system wont allow that will it
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• 994[05:38:43] <karlpinc> Aussie_matt: A fat fs is unlikely to be big enough.
• 995[05:38:52] <markybob> Aussie_matt: no. fat has a limit of 4G iirc.
• 996[05:39:37] <Aussie_matt> dang.... the plan breaks again lol.....does a drive need to be mounted to dd to it? i think it would
• 997[05:39:48] <markybob> no
• 998[05:39:58] <markybob> it shouldn't be
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• 1000[05:40:34] <karlpinc> Aussie_matt: Well, you could always dd it right over sda1 and clobber the whole partition's content. But you'd also need to make a note of how big it is so you know where to stop when dd-ing back off the stick.
• 1001[05:40:48] <Aussie_matt> ah, so if i the usb is big enough, I should be able to 'dd if=internal/device of=/dev/sda"
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• 1003[05:40:56] <karlpinc> Aussie_matt: Sure.
• 1004[05:41:06] <TomTomTosch> maybe i missed something, but exFAT has no such limit.
• 1005[05:41:08] <karlpinc> Aussie_matt: But you probably want sda1.
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• 1007[05:41:16] <markybob> TomTomTosch: you're correct
• 1008[05:41:27] <karlpinc> Aussie_matt: Better idea.
• 1009[05:42:00] <karlpinc> Aussie_matt: Boot off a debian live media. Then install the necessary packages. Then backup to the stick. Then use your install media.
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• 1011[05:43:03] <karlpinc> Aussie_matt: You can install packages when booting from debian-live. (Whether they are there at next boot depends on whether there's something that can be written to.)
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• 1014[05:43:39] <karlpinc> Aussie_matt: So you can install your exfat packages.
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• 1016[05:45:37] <Aussie_matt> karlpinc: don't think so... It's a intel atom, 32 bit efi, the debian install dvd is the only thing with a 32bit efi as far as I know, haven't been able to get a live version to boot
• 1017[05:46:03] <markybob> TomTomTosch: you did notice my limit comment was about fat32 and not exfat, right?
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• 1020[05:49:28] <jmcnaught> Aussie_matt: debian live doesn't support UEFI unfortunately. it might be easier to reformat the USB stick as ext4 if you want to copy an image of your entire hard drive to it, rather than messing with exfat
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• 1022[05:50:16] <Aussie_matt> jmcnaught: that might be the best plan
• 1023[05:50:30] <TomTomTosch> markybob, yes. i don't get why the talk was suddenly about fat, but it's 5am so i'm not very coherent x)
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• 1025[05:51:40] <jmcnaught> Aussie_matt: gnu ddrescue might be a better choice for making the image than dd, if you can find a way to use it
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• 1027[05:52:20] <Aussie_matt> is that in the busybox shell?
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• 1032[05:54:47] <jmcnaught> Aussie_matt: probably not, but there might be a different live distro that boots UEFI and includes it. Or if the old OS is still bootable, perhaps it would make more sense to back up the files from there
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• 1036[05:56:59] <Aussie_matt> jmcnaught: not with 32 efi, it's a real sticking point at the present time :(
• 1037[05:57:31] <Aussie_matt> as for a back up from with in windows, that fails..... unbelievable, but true
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• 1044[06:00:48] <jmcnaught> Aussie_matt: using windows disk tools to shrink its partition an option?
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• 1046[06:01:50] <Aussie_matt> maybe, havent looked into it. i'm formating another card as ext4 now, i'll see how that goes
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• 1052[06:03:58] <jmcnaught> Aussie_matt: also /mnt is usually where I mount stuff, not /tmp/tmp (probably okay either way, but that's why /mnt is there)
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• 1054[06:04:37] <Aussie_matt> its a bad habbit i have for quick and dirty mounting
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• 1062[06:09:28] <MiningPhoenix> Hi any channel for mining in linux?
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• 1069[06:11:40] <TomTomTosch> #bitcoin ?
• 1070[06:11:55] <MiningPhoenix> yes ,.
• 1071[06:12:07] <MiningPhoenix> let see
• 1072[06:12:12] <MiningPhoenix> thanks Tom
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• 1084[06:22:45] <Aussie_matt> jmcnaught: it mounts ext4 no problems!
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• 1212[07:42:30] <Atm0spher1c> wtf happened to lxde on debian stable
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• 1215[07:44:46] <TomTomTosch> Atm0spher1c, what problems did you experience?
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• 1218[07:45:07] <Atm0spher1c> It's quite broken now while on wheezy it worked fine. The lxpanel or "bar" image is glitchy and xfce power management no longer works, so noobs I updated to jessie for can't use it like before.
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• 1221[07:45:45] <Atm0spher1c> without xfce power management they can't suspend, reboot and shutdown from the power button
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• 1225[07:47:49] <Atm0spher1c> I then tried bunsenlabs (crunchbang) install and its really bloated but worked well, other than again, no simple power management without me solving more problems.
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• 1229[07:48:38] <TomTomTosch> "so noobs i updated to jessie for i can't use it like before" - does not compute.
• 1230[07:48:39] <Atm0spher1c> Then i tried unstable with lxqt and that's totally broken too, although I see people using it just fine. Total mess, wish I could just go back to wheezy
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• 1232[07:50:00] <TomTomTosch> if you upgraded to unstable you should ask #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 1233[07:50:18] <Atm0spher1c> it's for relatives - the main problem is the red power button in the bottom corner. lxde no longer seems to work with xfce4-power-manager and so doesn't allow for suspend, hibernate, shutdown, reboot from that menu
• 1234[07:50:56] <Atm0spher1c> no I think I'll forget about lxqt for now
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• 1240[07:52:03] <Atm0spher1c> is it possible to go back to wheezy?
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• 1243[07:52:12] <Atm0spher1c> i think i have a wheezy disc somewhere
• 1244[07:52:15] <TomTomTosch> not without a reinstall.
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• 1246[07:52:23] <Atm0spher1c> duh
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• 1248[07:54:33] <Atm0spher1c> TomTomTosch: so what wm/dm are you using?
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• 1250[07:54:49] <TomTomTosch> ones that tile. i3wm and awesome.
• 1251[07:55:12] <TomTomTosch> i like to keep the hands on the keyboard.
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• 1253[07:55:32] <Atm0spher1c> no kidding
• 1254[07:55:46] <Atm0spher1c> awesome here
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• 1257[07:56:32] <Atm0spher1c> i tried i3 for a bit, but nothing else and never bothered switching cuz I'm too busy
• 1258[07:57:36] <Atm0spher1c> have it configured how I like. But I've got my eye on bspwm
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• 1284[08:03:48] <TomTomTosch> ah, that one looks nice. have to take a look at it. awesome is a bit buggy and i3 is not as configurable.
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• 1289[08:05:44] <Atm0spher1c> bugs? never had bugs with awesome
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• 1307[08:10:29] <TomTomTosch> the ones in stable work fine, the 3.5 bulds i tried had a few problems though.
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• 1320[08:16:09] <Atm0spher1c> ya awesome 3.4 never gonna give you up replaced-url
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• 1327[08:18:13] <TomTomTosch> joke's on you, that one is blocked in my region :P
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• 1336[08:21:46] <Atm0spher1c> esp on a music video from 80s
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• 1339[08:23:02] <Aussie_matt> i managed to get the hdd copied via dd and using a ext4 filesystem, thank you all!
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• 1458[09:03:33] <DoverMo> when did 7.10 come out
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• 1462[09:04:15] <SailsjsDude> Hello all.
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• 1465[09:04:54] <SailsjsDude> My Mac Mini had a SMART error and I'm trying to install Debian linux onto my Mac Mini. I manage to get a black and white Debian installed but I am trying to setup network.
• 1466[09:05:15] <SailsjsDude> I have a blue network cable plugged into my router
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• 1468[09:05:41] <Slimmy> Hey guys. So I'm at a conference where we are connected on same LAN. I feel pretty unsafe though. Any ideas how could I possibly do some (harmless) information gathering?
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• 1471[09:06:25] <DoverMo> SailsjsDude, ifconfig
• 1472[09:06:42] <DoverMo> Slimmy, why
• 1473[09:06:52] <qmr> SailsjsDude: 1) Are you installing on a new hard drive? 2) The color of the sheathing on your network cable has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. 3) ip addr show ( or ip a s )
• 1474[09:06:57] <qmr> DoverMo: ifconfig is deprecated
• 1475[09:07:02] <qmr> Slimmy: nmap
• 1476[09:07:27] <Slimmy> qmr: Thanks. Should I avoid using wireshark?
• 1477[09:07:49] <SailsjsDude> @DoverMo I'm overwriting the hard drive completely of my mac mini
• 1478[09:08:08] <SailsjsDude> Firstly, do you know why when I type | on the keyboard, it shows as ~
• 1479[09:08:19] <SailsjsDude> When I type ~ on keyboard, it shows as some funny sideways L
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• 1481[09:08:32] <SailsjsDude> It feels like my keyboard is set to Dolvik keyboard or something
• 1482[09:08:45] <qmr> Slimmy: I do not know any reason to avoid it. use the right tool for the right job
• 1483[09:08:47] <SailsjsDude> It's a standard USB US keyboard
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• 1485[09:09:12] <SailsjsDude> ifconfig -a shows etho0 and lo
• 1486[09:09:12] <qmr> SailsjsDude: 2nd time: are you installing to a new HDD?
• 1487[09:09:20] <SailsjsDude> Yes
• 1488[09:09:25] <Slimmy> Αlright thank you
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• 1490[09:09:56] <qmr> SailsjsDude: Does eth0 have a local IP address?
• 1491[09:10:09] <SailsjsDude> how can I check?
• 1492[09:10:15] <DoverMo> are the debian servers down?
• 1493[09:10:53] <qmr> SailsjsDude: Read the manual page for ip ( or ifconfig, if you want to learn less useful information )
• 1494[09:11:06] <stew> DoverMo: there are so many hosted by so many people that its never likely that they are all down, what exactly are you trying to do?
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• 1497[09:11:30] <DoverMo> stew, download an image
• 1498[09:11:48] <stew> from where?
• 1499[09:12:04] <DoverMo> stew, pacific o-o
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• 1501[09:12:27] <DoverMo> i dunno
• 1502[09:12:27] <SailsjsDude> ip addr show shows 2: etho0: <BROADCAST, MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1000 link/ether a8:20:66:1e:24:ff brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
• 1503[09:12:35] <SailsjsDude> I don't see any ip...
• 1504[09:12:45] <stew> DoverMo: what is that?
• 1505[09:12:49] <stew> DoverMo: replaced-url
• 1506[09:13:37] <stew> DoverMo: what exact url are you having trouble with?
• 1507[09:13:59] <qmr> SailsjsDude: replaced-url
• 1508[09:13:59] <DoverMo> stew, oh wait, it just worked
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• 1511[09:15:35] <hodurr_> .
• 1512[09:15:44] <hodurr_> n00b question about installation
• 1513[09:16:43] <hodurr_> tried to install Trisquel, wasn't compatible with some of the non-free firmware
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• 1515[09:16:59] <hodurr_> will i face the same issue with debian
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• 1518[09:17:10] <SailsjsDude> ya!
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• 1520[09:17:15] <SailsjsDude> ifup eth0
• 1521[09:17:21] <SailsjsDude> ping replaced-url
• 1522[09:17:23] <DoverMo> hodurr_, you have to enable nonfree stuff in the repo... there's a little tutorial on how to do that
• 1523[09:17:24] <SailsjsDude> getting bytes :)
• 1524[09:17:30] <SailsjsDude> @qmr thanks :D
• 1525[09:17:31] <hodurr_> oh thanks DoverMo
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• 1527[09:17:38] <qmr> you're welcome
• 1528[09:17:42] <hodurr_> i tried to do that with trisquel but it wasn' available
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• 1530[09:17:51] <DoverMo> hodurr_, it's just like, add main config nonfree or something to the end
• 1531[09:17:55] <hodurr_> yeah
• 1532[09:18:00] <DoverMo> contrib*
• 1533[09:18:02] <DoverMo> not config
• 1534[09:18:03] <hodurr_> i did that with trisquel, woudn't take it
• 1535[09:18:03] <DoverMo> ffs
• 1536[09:18:05] <SailsjsDude> @qmr do you know about Broadcomm wireless network cards?
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• 1539[09:18:23] <hodurr_> but hopefully debian does
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• 1541[09:18:38] <DoverMo> hodurr_, if you want to do that with trisquel, you have to blacklist the packages you dont want, and then enable an ubuntu mirror
• 1542[09:18:46] <DoverMo> which will probably be an old-archive
• 1543[09:18:47] <hodurr_> oooooooh
• 1544[09:18:52] <hodurr_> mister fancy over here
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• 1547[09:19:10] <hodurr_> i'm ignorant as to how to do any of that though
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• 1550[09:19:33] <qmr> o_O I don't recommend making a bastardized DIY mixed distro
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• 1552[09:19:47] <hodurr_> why?
• 1553[09:20:03] <DoverMo> it'll work, until you need to upgrade, then you'll get sh*t on
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• 1555[09:20:05] <qmr> Because it leads to brokenness.
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• 1557[09:20:21] <hodurr_> yeah fvck trisquel >.>
• 1558[09:20:27] <stew> is trisquel free?
• 1559[09:20:32] <hodurr_> super floss
• 1560[09:20:51] <stew> if so it would be much better to just compile from the ubuntu source pacakge than install a ubuntu binary
• 1561[09:20:53] <DoverMo> as free as rms wants it to be
• 1562[09:21:17] <stew> what is it?
• 1563[09:21:37] <DoverMo> fsf/gnu certified ubuntu
• 1564[09:21:51] <hodurr_> ^^
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• 1566[09:23:33] <stew> wait what
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• 1568[09:23:46] <stew> now I'm confused I thought we were adding a pacakge to debian
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• 1570[09:23:57] <stew> but don't try to unconfuse me, i'm going to exit :)
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• 1572[09:24:18] <DoverMo> stew, the trisquel repos are all free software/firmware. so we were blacklisting a package and using a nonfree ubuntu repo
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• 1574[09:24:51] <DoverMo> theoretically
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• 1579[09:26:59] <DoverMo> ath9 htc should technically be part of free debian repos
• 1580[09:27:14] <DoverMo> but it's included in ath9k package
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• 1584[09:28:29] <SailsjsDude> I have a line "deb ftp.iinet.net.au jessie main contrib non-free" I tried to run apt-get install firmware-b43-installer but it saying I got a syntax error in my /etc/apt/sources.list
• 1585[09:29:07] <SailsjsDude> fpt.iinet.net.au is listed as one of the mirror sources here: replaced-url
• 1586[09:29:20] <SailsjsDude> Did I enter it incorrectly?
• 1587[09:29:26] <SailsjsDude> ftp I mean
• 1588[09:29:33] <SailsjsDude> not fpt
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• 1590[09:29:42] <donoban> maybe it's missing the protocol replaced-url
• 1591[09:29:50] <SailsjsDude> ah..let me try
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• 1596[09:30:58] <SailsjsDude> @donoban well, ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au or ftp://iinet.net.au seems to fix the error message. Thanks.
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• 1599[09:31:12] <donoban> np ^^
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• 1603[09:32:39] <donoban> I hope you trust that repository, I don't like to add 3º party repositories
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• 1607[09:34:00] <SailsjsDude> donoban: I got a new error
• 1608[09:34:07] <DoverMo> my mirror is only 14 miles away from me
• 1609[09:34:16] <SailsjsDude> E: Unable to locate package firmware-b43-installer, I need to use non-free repositories.
• 1610[09:34:43] <donoban> did you apt-get uptade ?
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• 1612[09:34:50] <SailsjsDude> @donoban iinet is my internet provider :D
• 1613[09:34:51] <donoban> update*
• 1614[09:35:08] <SailsjsDude> let me try apt-get update :D
• 1615[09:35:16] <donoban> uhM, you are just switching the mirror?
• 1616[09:35:27] <SailsjsDude> I just enetered that line in my sources.list file
• 1617[09:35:36] <donoban> why?
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• 1620[09:35:40] <SailsjsDude> I did a install from cd last night using a net install
• 1621[09:35:55] <stew> donoban: he doesn't have to worry about trust of the repositories since all the packages are gpg signed
• 1622[09:36:01] <DoverMo> yes, it's a very good idea to apt-get update 'after' you change a mirror
• 1623[09:36:06] <SailsjsDude> but on a Apple Mac Mini computer and I couldn't get any internet access so I wasn't able to select a mirror during the installation process
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• 1626[09:36:36] <donoban> default httpredir URL's, theorically choose the best mirror according your geography and guarantee an updated mirror
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• 1630[09:37:10] <donoban> stew: I though he was adding a 3º party repository like an ubuntu launchpad
• 1631[09:37:24] <stew> no, this is a debian mirror
• 1632[09:37:35] <donoban> yes i see, hehe
• 1633[09:37:42] <stew> SailsjsDude: looks like it should be something like ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/debian/debian/ not just ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/
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• 1635[09:37:54] <donoban> but is not better use httpredir?
• 1636[09:37:57] <stew> or perhaps ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/debian
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• 1638[09:38:01] <SailsjsDude> @stew ah rightio, I'll try that then.
• 1639[09:38:09] <stew> donoban: better in which sense?
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• 1641[09:38:31] <donoban> more fault tolerancy e.g.
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• 1644[09:39:35] <stew> then I'd argue probably not, if this is hosted by his provider
• 1645[09:39:42] <stew> since if its down so is probably his internet
• 1646[09:40:00] <stew> SailsjsDude: it might be far better to use http instead of ftp (seems this mirror supports both)
• 1647[09:40:06] <stew> !ftpmustdie
• 1648[09:40:06] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE! replaced-url
• 1649[09:40:21] <donoban> ftp must die lol
• 1650[09:40:44] <SailsjsDude> @stew would that work? this page here replaced-url
• 1651[09:41:04] <SailsjsDude> Currently, it looks like apt-get update is downloading some jessie/main and amd64 packages
• 1652[09:41:08] <SailsjsDude> looking good so far
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• 1656[09:42:26] <SailsjsDude> Kewl, both works :)
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• 1658[09:43:31] <SailsjsDude> Nice, it's downloading and installing the Broadcomm b43 driver for the Mac Mini wireless network card :D
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• 1664[09:46:13] <stew> SailsjsDude: i'm saying to try changing ftp://ftp.iinet... to replaced-url
• 1665[09:46:16] <stew> which seems to answer
• 1666[09:46:28] <SailsjsDude> Yes, I have thanks. It is working.
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• 1669[09:46:45] <stew> cool
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• 1675[09:49:21] <jamesl> II'm writing a bash script that replaces init, but in the script I use a command that is dependent on the contents of a static file in /proc (the contents of this file NEVER changes) can I just create a regular file in /proc with the required information in it, so that this command works? Or will the file be destroyed at boot, as Linux assumes that /proc isn't a real filesystem. ONly the kernel has loaded at this stage as my script replaces init,
• 1676[09:49:21] <jamesl> how to create a /proc/cpuinfo file that will be persistent across reboots?
• 1677[09:49:58] <Stummi> you can't replace init with a bash script
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• 1680[09:51:09] <jamesl> you can, you just need to work with a very limited environment and declare your PATH before you do anything, but apart from this erorr that prevents the script from working, it WOULD work.
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• 1682[09:51:59] <stew> jamesl: so /proc is a real filesystem, its certainly ephemeral, you can't put something in there and expect it to be there after a reboot
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• 1684[09:52:21] <Stummi> jamesl, you may want to take a look on sinit. (a minimal init that just calls a well known command/shellscript). Its not in debian though
• 1685[09:52:28] <stew> jamesl: you can't have init depend on /proc since /proc won't be mounted until init mounts it, right?
• 1686[09:52:52] <somiaj> the kernel just mounts procfs on top of /proc so anything in there gets covered up.
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• 1688[09:53:17] <stew> somiaj: does that get mounted without init mounting it?
• 1689[09:53:20] <jamesl> stew: yes, but when init is executed there is no significance to /proc, so instead of mounting /proc, can I just create a regular folder in the normal filesystem called /proc. The regular /proc will not be m9ounted since init is never executed. My script replaces init.
• 1690[09:53:20] <somiaj> so I think you could have that file on the filesystem, then mount procfs over it
• 1691[09:53:38] <stew> right
• 1692[09:53:40] <somiaj> stew: I'm unsure where in init procfs gets mounted.
• 1693[09:54:06] <Stummi> somiaj, whats wrong with just mounting /proc/? You will need it anyway on some point
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• 1695[09:54:29] <Stummi> *jamesl
• 1696[09:54:29] <somiaj> Stummi: I don't know. I have no desire to replace init. (:
• 1697[09:54:36] <stew> jamesl: then yeah, perhaps, but then I'd question why you are using /proc for this file?
• 1698[09:54:37] <Stummi> yeah, sorry
• 1699[09:54:51] <jamesl> Stummi: I think I only need /proc/cpuinfo, and information stored in there is static, so I can just create /proc/cpuinfo as a regular file?
• 1700[09:55:06] <jamesl> stew: the path /proc/cpuinfo is hardcoded in the command.
• 1701[09:55:20] <stew> which command?
• 1702[09:55:30] <Stummi> james41382, /proc/cpuinfo is not static
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• 1706[09:55:49] <Stummi> just mount proc. Its not that hard and will avoid a lot of headaches
• 1707[09:55:59] <jamesl> stew: command called gpio in the wiringpi library, it needs a line in /proc/cpuinfo to tell it what board revision it is.
• 1708[09:56:35] <jamesl> Stummi: is /etc/fstab read before init loads, so I can mount proc in that, or do I need to have a mount command in my bash script?
• 1709[09:57:05] <Stummi> I would just go with a mount command
• 1710[09:57:30] <stew> i don't think anything is read anywhere before init is run
• 1711[09:57:32] <jamesl> okay. It can do everything fstab can
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• 1716[09:58:18] <Stummi> jamesl, I still believe, a shell script cannot replace init. Init does stuff, like SIGCHLD handling, you cannot do in shell scripts
• 1717[09:58:19] <jamesl> stew: it must be, because I just set init=/bin/bash so I could explore what the pre-init environment is like, and it mounted / read only. Someting is telling me where / is.
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• 1719[09:58:38] <Stummi> jamesl, whats your actual goal?
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• 1722[09:59:02] <stew> obviously / is mounted, but that is mounted as part of the boot
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• 1725[09:59:08] <stew> the stuff in fstab is read by init
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• 1727[09:59:12] <jamesl> Stummi: to run this bash script at boot, but it needs to boot FAST. Like less than 3 seconds fast.
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• 1730[09:59:29] <Stummi> jamesl, have you took a look at sinit?
• 1731[09:59:44] <Stummi> jamesl, bash is not exactly the incarnation of fast
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• 1734[09:59:58] <stew> in sysv land it was /etc/init.d/mount* like things that were actually reading fstab
• 1735[10:00:00] <jamesl> Stummi: I know, it's fast enough for my purposes though
• 1736[10:00:06] <stew> fstab isn't some kind of magical thing in linux
• 1737[10:00:18] <Stummi> jamesl, its still not capable of everything a PID 1 is supposed to do
• 1738[10:01:02] <jamesl> I'll see if I can get it to work, but if I can't I'll concede that init cannot be replaced by a bash script.
• 1739[10:01:12] <Stummi> jamesl, sinit is exactly there for your purpose. It does the minimal set of functionality a PID 1 is supposed to do and calls a defined command when booting
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• 1742[10:02:02] <DoverMo> port debian to rc
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• 1745[10:02:33] <stew> Stummi: what do you need to do in pid1 that a bash script cant do
• 1746[10:02:52] <jamesl> DoverMo: porting somethnig sounds like lots of work for minimal gain ,if a bash script will do the job. If it can't I will consider that
• 1747[10:02:56] <stew> I certainly have lots and lots of docker containers where pid1 is some form of sh script
• 1748[10:03:06] <Stummi> stew, sigchild handling
• 1749[10:03:09] <masoudd> Hello #debian! I have a small VPS running debian jessie. Today they disabled my VPS. When I sent a ticket as to what happened, they answered something along the lines of port 111 being open and they received abuse reports for that. I don't understand. I see I had rpcbind running which were listening on port 111 and now I disabled it. But can anyone explain why having rpcbind running on 111 is bad?
• 1750[10:03:23] <stew> Stummi: what do you mean by sigchild?
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• 1752[10:03:52] <jamesl> Stew: I just set init to /bin/bash so I can explore the environement, the most noticeable thing is no job control and no signal handling (ctrl-C and ctrl-Z do nothing, to end a long-running command you must reboot.
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• 1754[10:04:08] <Stummi> stew, take a look into the sinit source (its just 89 lines) replaced-url
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• 1756[10:04:44] <Stummi> (also, jamesl)
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• 1771[10:09:32] <michaelis> masoudd: I found this: replaced-url
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• 1774[10:11:21] <igno> as bra!!!!!!
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• 1780[10:16:08] <masoudd> michaelis: I see. It can be used to probe my own server and is potential security flaw. I don't understand why is that reported as abuse
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• 1784[10:17:37] <jmcnaught> masoudd: it can be used for reflection ddos attacks. tonnes of articles about it online.
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• 1788[10:18:37] <masoudd> jmcnaught: Ah I see. It is all kinds of bad.
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• 1855[10:58:32] <terabit> I see info, I see warning but no error :O
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• 1867[11:03:21] <SailsjsDude> After I ran apt-get install gnome how do I start using it? Reboot?
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• 1873[11:05:27] <SailsjsDude> I got a few errors about gnome-icon-theme an /usr/bin/dpkg returned error code 2 but hopefully that's not a big...problem
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• 1896[11:16:24] <SailsjsDude> Seems like the hard drive failure is preventing the dpkg --configure -a to complete.
• 1897[11:17:23] <SailsjsDude> ...bs...3 year old Mac computer hard drive fails when a 10 year old PC hard drive still works =/
• 1898[11:17:37] <SailsjsDude> I want my money back :(
• 1899[11:17:42] <SailsjsDude> :D
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• 1949[11:43:49] <cam^> value for outputs.master can be 0 to 255. is the scale proportional? i.e. 255/2 = 50% volume?
• 1950[11:44:33] <cam^> issuing the mixerctl command..
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• 1956[11:48:31] <SailsjsDude> .xinitrc exec gnome-session: not found :(
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• 1965[11:56:34] <SailsjsDude> weird...after apt-get install gnome I don't have any gnome-session
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• 1973[12:00:15] <bazhang> ,v gnome
• 1974[12:00:16] <judd> Package: gnome on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; sid: 1:3.14+4; stretch: 1:3.14+4
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• 1980[12:03:07] <teraflops> SailsjsDude: gnome has a lot of packages and deps. Looked at the wiki? It is explained there very well
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• 1989[12:07:10] <grauzikas> i have asked yesterday, but may be today some one will know :)
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• 1991[12:07:31] <Iridos> SailsjsDude, it is in gnome-session-bin
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• 1993[12:07:50] <grauzikas> i`m trying to install debian from netinstall via pxe to physical server and in partitioning i cant find ext4 filesystem
• 1994[12:07:51] <grauzikas> replaced-url
• 1995[12:08:15] <grauzikas> i have found an old debian iso and without networking ext4 exists, may be there is changed some thing?
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• 1997[12:08:57] <Iridos> is that the jessie netinstall?
• 1998[12:09:02] <grauzikas> wheezy
• 1999[12:09:12] <grauzikas> wheezy 64bit
• 2000[12:09:46] <Iridos> that is the "old debian iso"?
• 2001[12:09:50] <Iridos> what is the other one, then
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• 2005[12:10:53] <grauzikas> that one where i cant find ext4 is netinstall and the problem is that netinstall when you are installing it after network configuration download partitioning files and in netinstall i cant find ext4
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• 2009[12:11:48] <grauzikas> replaced-url
• 2010[12:11:48] <Iridos> you can probably bail out into a shell and run mkfs.ext4
• 2011[12:12:03] <grauzikas> ill try that
• 2012[12:12:08] <grauzikas> thank you
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• 2015[12:12:45] <grauzikas> but i think that there is a bug, and debian developers forgot something in install menu :)
• 2016[12:13:10] <Iridos> not sure what else to suggest... debugging it is probably tedious/difficult because you have not so many tools at hand at that stage
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• 2018[12:13:31] <SailsjsDude> Iridos: sorry, what is in gnome-session-bin?
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• 2020[12:13:39] <SailsjsDude> I checked /usr/bin/ there is no file named gnome-session
• 2021[12:13:44] <Iridos> SailsjsDude, a package that contains gnome-session
• 2022[12:13:51] <SailsjsDude> oh okay...
• 2023[12:14:12] <SailsjsDude> I had assumed apt-get install gnome would install everything necessary to have a GUI, will try gnome-session-bin then
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• 2025[12:14:23] <grauzikas> earlye i have used that netinstall may be 50 times :) and there everything was fine
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• 2028[12:16:13] <Iridos> SailsjsDude, and gnome-session-bin should be installed by gnome-session or/and gdm3
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• 2038[12:18:24] <Iridos> SailsjsDude, e.g. gnome-session-bin <- gnome-session <- gnome-core <- gnome
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• 2043[12:20:28] <arahael> So, how do I kill my ssh client session *without* unintentionally leaking ~.'s.
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• 2045[12:20:44] <arahael> Particularly when it was frozen - but recovers enough to send just those.
• 2046[12:20:54] <Iridos> SailsjsDude, so yes... installing gnome with "apt-get install gnome" should have installed gnome-session bin
• 2047[12:21:01] <Iridos> SailsjsDude, is this jessie?
• 2048[12:21:42] <Iridos> "unintentionally leaking"?
• 2049[12:21:51] <SailsjsDude> Iridos: yes
• 2050[12:22:10] <SailsjsDude> Iridos: My hard drive is failing physically, it probably didn't manage to write the data to disk
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• 2052[12:22:58] <SailsjsDude> kewl, apt-get install gnome-session-bin I have gnome-session now
• 2053[12:23:23] <Iridos> SailsjsDude, can you show the output of apt-cache policy (use paste.debian.net) ... and also the output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
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• 2072[12:33:36] <Aprendiz1234> hi all. I am trying to configure freeradius against openldap in debian jessie. I have enabled ldap in default a inne-tunnel and conf specific parameters in the module
• 2073[12:33:46] <Aprendiz1234> but in logs I have a login error
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• 2077[12:34:22] <grauzikas> Iridos : now i have another problem :) replaced-url
• 2078[12:34:36] <grauzikas> i cant select mount
• 2079[12:34:54] <grauzikas> i mean i cant tell that this partition will be / or /home
• 2080[12:34:58] <SailsjsDude> Iridos: apt-cache policy: replaced-url
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• 2083[12:36:11] <grauzikas> i have maded ext4 filesystem via shell
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• 2086[12:36:46] <hexedit> what is the short kernel rebuild for a debian kernel package used on ubuntu
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• 2089[12:37:06] <hexedit> does anybody know the debian commands for rebuilding a debian kernel
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• 2093[12:38:30] <hexedit> i don't know why ubuntu chose to use a debian kernel but it has all kinds of rules and stuff and some debian patches...and i was wondering if there is a debian command to rebuild it
• 2094[12:39:58] <hexedit> and it uses the older initrd
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• 2096[12:42:30] <rahman_> Hello.
• 2097[12:42:51] <rahman_> I am running a KVM with the following command:
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• 2100[12:42:53] <rahman_> kvm -enable-kvm -name "test_01" -no-frame -machine pc -cpu host -smp 2 -m 2047M -vga qxl -soundhw ac97 -usb -usbdevice tablet -drive index=0,file="/home/000/test_01.raw",media=disk,if=virtio,cache=none
• 2101[12:43:18] <nicechap> hello, just installed parcellite on debian jessie, but it does not start up after succesfull install
• 2102[12:43:20] <babilen> dpkg: tell hexedit -about kernel handbook
• 2103[12:43:29] <rahman_> The internet was working fine for few hours, now it isn't.
• 2104[12:43:52] <hexedit> babilen...welll this is older than that...it is kernel 2.6.10-5
• 2105[12:43:53] <nicechap> does anyone know what the problem is with the parcellite + debian jessie (gnome)
• 2106[12:44:04] <rahman_> Now I can only ping 10.0.2.2 (host machine IP)
• 2107[12:44:07] <hexedit> babilen..so what was the old debian procedure
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• 2109[12:44:50] <hexedit> babilen..it is a very old kernel but the only one that seems to work on this crappy memory controller that via put out
• 2110[12:44:59] <babilen> 2.6.10 ? Haha ...
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• 2113[12:45:31] <hexedit> babilen..and i need to make a few kernel patches...but i don't know how to mess with all those debian rules and stuff
• 2114[12:45:36] <babilen> Well, just build a kernel the traditional way. You could base it on "oldconfig" from the one you are using right now (make oldconfig).
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• 2116[12:46:04] <hexedit> babilen...can you do that and just ignore all those debian rules and stuff
• 2117[12:46:18] <SailsjsDude> darn it, can't start X
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• 2119[12:46:36] <SailsjsDude> "Oh no! Something has gone wrong."
• 2120[12:46:46] <babilen> hexedit: Debian doesn't prevent you from building a kernel in the traditional manner.
• 2121[12:47:24] <babilen> (but then .. who knows what weird FrankenDebianBuntu you are dealing with there)
• 2122[12:47:28] <hexedit> babilen...ok i will give it a try...i like the old method but i thought i better try to learn how to use all those debian rules and stuff
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• 2125[12:47:47] <babilen> hexedit: Well .. I have no idea what the packaging looks like you are dealing with.
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• 2127[12:48:25] <babilen> Go and figure it out if you like, but you should still be able to just compile a kernel like in the olden days.
• 2128[12:49:11] <hexedit> hilight...well i have to reboot into the ubuntu partition to give you the details on the debian package....and i can't use the internet without serious kernel mods....from there so then i have to reboot back to here to get back to ypou
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• 2132[12:50:30] <hexedit> hilight but basically it is a .deb package with some debian patches also and probably needs a deselect command or something to accomodate all the rules
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• 2134[12:51:20] <hexedit> hilight i really don't know all the debian reconfigure commands and all that jazz
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• 2140[12:54:41] <rahman_> problem solved...nvm.
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• 2144[12:55:14] <hexedit> hilight and the problem with the traditional build is that it ignores all the debian rules and informations
• 2145[12:57:35] <hexedit> in the debian control file
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• 2148[13:00:53] <hexedit> dpkg thanks for the private information and i will look into it but this debian kernel is long before wheezy
• 2149[13:00:54] <dpkg> gern geschehen, hexedit
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• 2152[13:01:36] <MaBunny> hey guys
• 2153[13:01:37] <Iridos> SailsjsDude, then you should be in some undefined state... see what apt-get -f install does (if doing anything at all is useful on a failing disk anyway)
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• 2155[13:02:02] <MaBunny> i wanted to set up libxml++ and libcurl for dev purposes
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• 2158[13:02:34] <MaBunny> so yesterday i downloaded them,but however one of the dependencies was broken
• 2159[13:02:52] <MaBunny> i didnt hav the time to set it up tht day sso i am asking now
• 2160[13:02:55] <hexedit> dpkg what is gern geshehen..does that mean you are welcome
• 2161[13:02:56] <dpkg> hexedit: what are you talking about?
• 2162[13:03:06] <MaBunny> heres the package: replaced-url
• 2163[13:03:39] <hexedit> i am talking about a piece of crap via hardware that only runs a very old kernel because of the crappy memory controller...so i am stuck with having to modify an old kernel
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• 2165[13:03:54] <MaBunny> do you kno what happened? when i try to download tht package it does not download
• 2166[13:04:06] <MaBunny> it just says "failed" in synaptic
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• 2168[13:04:26] <hexedit> dpkg...it is just a piece of crap hardware that i have to fix because nobody else fixes it
• 2169[13:04:43] <rozie> hexedit: I guess you didn't report bug to kernel devs?
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• 2173[13:04:50] <michaelis> hexedit: Cost for modifying kernel vs cost for buying new hardware.
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• 2176[13:05:04] <MaBunny> yeah
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• 2179[13:05:41] <hexedit> rozie..no it is not a bug....it is just that ubuntu chose to use a debian kernel package from way back when and i don't know how to make use of all the debian rules and stuff in the debain control file
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• 2181[13:05:42] <SailsjsDude> Yay
• 2182[13:05:44] <MaBunny> guys what do you think of tht package?
• 2183[13:05:50] <SailsjsDude> Xfce4 working
• 2184[13:05:56] <hexedit> rozie...it is not a bug with the kernel to report.
• 2185[13:05:58] <SailsjsDude> I have GUI finally :D
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• 2187[13:06:21] <JyZyXEL> boy, i know the feeling of being stuck because of shitty hardware and not having the money to buy something new
• 2188[13:06:44] <rozie> hexedit: why not? If I understand correctly, kernel has problem with memory controller
• 2189[13:06:53] <hexedit> JYZyXEL..damn right...it is a bitch because the damn hardware people won't pay me what they owe me
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• 2191[13:07:10] <babilen> hexedit: dpkg is a bot
• 2192[13:07:11] <MaBunny> the package name is libglibmm-2.4-dev
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• 2195[13:08:02] <hexedit> JYZyXEL if the hardware bastards start paying me royalties for all my model 1 ideas..i could afford some new hardware
• 2196[13:08:03] <MaBunny> guys?
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• 2198[13:08:33] <babilen> MaBunny: apt-get update and try again
• 2199[13:08:40] <MaBunny> thnx
• 2200[13:08:46] <JyZyXEL> lets hope that happens then
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• 2204[13:09:42] <hexedit> JYZyXEL but until then i am stuck having to repair old pieces of crap...and try to make them useful
• 2205[13:09:48] <MaBunny> also guys do you kno burp suite is available for debian jessie?
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• 2207[13:10:04] <MaBunny> i want to set up a local proxy
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• 2209[13:10:54] <babilen> dpkg: tell MaBunny -about search
• 2210[13:10:58] <babilen> judd: v burp
• 2211[13:10:59] <judd> Package: burp on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.8-1; wheezy-backports: 1.3.48-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.3.48-4.1; stretch: 1.3.48-4.1+b2; sid: 1.3.48-4.1+b2; experimental: 1.4.12-1+b1
• 2212[13:11:52] <JyZyXEL> kind of a shitty thing that the poorest of us just end up using hundreds or even thousands of hours trying to manage some old piece of crap hardware that most people have long since forgotten about
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• 2216[13:12:36] <hexedit> JyZyXEL yes thousands of hours is quite accurate...i have been working on this damn piece of hardware for 10 years...and i still don't have it repaired
• 2217[13:12:42] <JyZyXEL> it eventually gets really frustrating and you start to fantasize about just smashing the fucking thing into pieces just so you don't have to deal with it :)
• 2218[13:13:21] <hexedit> JyZyXEL...yes that is what zelda games are for
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• 2221[13:13:55] <hexedit> with zelda3t you can smash the crap out of monsters
• 2222[13:14:11] <MaBunny> hey babilen,how do i ask dpkg for a package? i mean the bot
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• 2224[13:14:48] <babilen> MaBunny: You don't, you want judd -- replaced-url
• 2225[13:14:57] <hexedit> and the last time i looked they had a zelda3t for linux
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• 2228[13:15:27] <nola> hello, could it be that the checksums for libsodium_1.0.0.orig.tar.gz in jessie are wrong in the Sources.gz?
• 2229[13:16:02] <nola> Sources.gz says something completely different than the packages.debian.org. packages.debian.org matches a md5sum libsodium_1.0.0.orig.tar.gz
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• 2231[13:16:34] <hexedit> there probably is a debian package for zelda3t for the debian people
• 2232[13:17:42] <JyZyXEL> freedink - humorous top-down adventure and role-playing game
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• 2234[13:18:02] <JyZyXEL> ah and there is also: rocksndiamonds - arcade-style game
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• 2236[13:18:06] <hexedit> JyZyXEL yes..that too...but what of the free 3 zelda games also
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• 2239[13:18:14] <JyZyXEL> not in debian?
• 2240[13:18:24] <JyZyXEL> maybe they were not free enough
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• 2247[13:20:12] <hexedit> JyZyXEL no they are free and have been for a long time...see this URL for a linux version
• 2248[13:20:17] <hexedit> replaced-url
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• 2250[13:20:46] <hexedit> JyZyXEL there are many zelda fans that like to create all kinds of free zelda games
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• 2252[13:21:09] <JyZyXEL> ah, only around 1000 downloads in 6 years :P
• 2253[13:21:17] <hexedit> JyZyXELL but they are only 2D..not the latest 3D stuff
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• 2256[13:22:22] <hexedit> JyZYXEL but still a great and harmless way to smash monsters when people are frustated with kernel unfriendly hardware.
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• 2259[13:23:53] <MaBunny> hey babilen,how do i suggest a package name to judd,and whats the package name of Burp Suite
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• 2261[13:24:37] <babilen> MaBunny: Look above, I already asked it to provide version information about 'burp' (at 13:10:59 CEST)
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• 2263[13:25:05] <MaBunny> ok srry
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• 2266[13:27:56] <hexedit> JyZYXEL but really that url is the third free game of a trilogy so you might want to start with the other 2 free games first to understand the story line of the trilogy
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• 2268[13:28:30] <hexedit> JyZYXEL...do you need the other related URLS or can you find them easily on your own
• 2269[13:28:37] <JyZyXEL> it appears unlicensed and not open source
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• 2271[13:29:19] <hexedit> JyZyXEL..there are no licenses for free software...that is Richard STalllman's whole point..you can install stuff on 5000 computers without paying for a single license
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• 2274[13:30:31] * petemc looks at what the L in GPL stands for
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• 2277[13:31:08] <hexedit> L stands for liberte....meaning complete freedom
• 2278[13:31:27] <petemc> no it doesnt
• 2279[13:31:53] <hexedit> some people agree with richard stallman and like to install stuff on 5000 computers without paying for even one single license
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• 2281[13:32:24] <JyZyXEL> well, i don't know much about how software licensing works but i do know i don't wanna run any binaries without knowing exactly what and who is behind them
• 2282[13:33:04] <hexedit> JyZyXEL...well some dude in france is behind these..i guess some kind of ngl-guru
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• 2308[13:48:26] <michaelis> The four freedoms of GPL (General Public License): Freedom 0: The freedom to run the program for any purpose. Freedom 1: The freedom to study how the program works, and change it to make it do what you wish. Freedom 2: The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor. Freedom 3: The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements (and modified versions in...
• 2309[13:48:28] <michaelis> ...general) to the public, so that the whole community benefits.
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• 2313[13:49:34] <hexedit> michaelis..you don't seem to understand stallman...you are getting bogged down in the ps and qs and missing the message by getting lost in the details
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• 2315[13:50:10] <MaBunny> lol how big is the update list now? 150mb?
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• 2317[13:50:16] <hexedit> michealis...stallman is about free software and when we say free he means free....as in infinite supply to create a zero price
• 2318[13:50:48] <hexedit> michealis..it is software you can install on 500 or 5000computers without paying a single penny for even one license
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• 2320[13:51:21] <r6ku> hexedit: please don't spread your bs here and take it to #debian-offtopic
• 2321[13:51:21] <michaelis> hexedit: Read the license. "When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price."
• 2322[13:51:24] <hexedit> michaelis...it is about freedom and free.
• 2323[13:51:47] <michaelis> hexedit: Read the license. "When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price."
• 2324[13:51:47] <hexedit> michaelis..you are missing the message by getting lost in the details
• 2325[13:52:07] <hexedit> michaelis..you don't seem to know stallman or what he really stands for
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• 2327[13:52:44] <hexedit> michaelis..it is about the freedom to install on 500 or 5000 computers
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• 2331[13:54:13] <michaelis> hexedit: It don't know what you want to say to me. I'm quoting the license and haven't said a word about cost och how many machines you can install your free software on. Calm down.
• 2332[13:54:47] <arahael> michaelis: That happens a lot more than you realise.
• 2333[13:54:56] <arahael> michaelis: Best I've found is to simply ignore them. :(
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• 2335[13:55:13] <julio> Hi! I was using my Debian 8 normally when stop my wireless connection. I try to restart my desktop but the problem still happening. Dmesg msg: firmware: direct-loading firmware rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw..... eth0 link down. Is there a way to reload the module?
• 2336[13:55:30] <arahael> And on that note G'night!
• 2337[13:55:39] <hexedit> michaelis...well there is no point in quoting a lot of conflicting nonsense designed to hide the central message..and that is about free software and freedom to install on 500 or 5000 computers without paying for even one license and certainly not restricted to one machine only
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• 2339[13:56:19] <hexedit> michaelis..it is about creating infinite supply to guarantee a zero price
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• 2341[13:56:55] <hexedit> michaelis..do you have an understanding of supply and demand
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• 2343[13:58:02] <michaelis> hexedit: I'm sorry but I think your are wrong. The license text describes the essentials. You are just picking one practical issue of this text. The words in the license are essentiel for understanding the spirit of free software. How in the world can you call it nonsense? That doesn't make any sense. It's that so called nonsense that gives you your freedoms.
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• 2345[13:58:46] <hexedit> michaelis..no there is no misunderstanding about it....it is you that is trying to be the devil in the details
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• 2348[13:59:02] <michaelis> hexedit: Supply and demand? What are you talking about?
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• 2351[14:00:29] <hexedit> michaelis...well if there is a pent up demand or wealthy clientele for a product then a supply can be created to satisfy the demand....if it is restricted a positive price can be obtained
• 2352[14:00:36] <michaelis> hexedit: Right then. Go and install M$ Windows on 5000 machines since there is a demand for it and disregard the license text since that's just nonsense. By the way, send a letter to M$ about it so they can congratulate you on your clear understanding of there EULA nonsense.
• 2353[14:00:50] <michaelis> hexedit: I'm talking about license, not economics!
• 2354[14:01:12] <michaelis> s/there/their
• 2355[14:01:18] <hexedit> michaelis...you miss the whole point of richard stallman and that is to destroy M$
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• 2360[14:02:06] <hexedit> michaelis...a EULA is nothing when there is no longer any company behind it
• 2361[14:02:28] <michaelis> hexedit: I'm sorry but you make no sense to me.
• 2362[14:02:38] <babilen> Would you mind continuing this in #debian-offtopic as it doesn't necessarily pertain to a specific technical problem.
• 2363[14:03:02] <michaelis> babilen: You're right. I'm sorry and will end this conversation now.
• 2364[14:03:05] <hexedit> babilen..ok fine with me
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• 2372[14:05:43] <qmr> Nothing makes me take an argument as seriously as when someone spells Microsoft with a dollar sign.
• 2373[14:06:25] <hexedit> qmr...well M$ is the antithesis of free software
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• 2382[14:08:55] <hexedit> M$ is essentially UNIX..and UNIX has always been at odds with GNU is NOT UNIX
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• 2385[14:12:06] <hexedit> qmr but there is no point in continuing a discussion here..it is not a technical issue
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• 2395[14:15:00] <hexedit> qmr..in a nutshelll...unix is about resticted supply...restricted to paying customers only and that is what M$ is.
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• 2403[14:15:51] <Swinexuilo> #debian-offtopic
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• 2408[14:17:35] <Swinexuilo> Why Lennart Poettering Ian Murdock poisoned by thallium - 81 chemical element in Mendeleev's table?
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• 2412[14:18:23] <hexedit> Ian Murdock is a very familiar name around computing circles
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• 2416[14:19:15] <hexedit> swinexuilo..it is ashame he was reported dying at only 42 some time ago
• 2417[14:19:31] <michaelis> #debian-offtopic
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• 2430[14:23:27] <hexedit> however before ian's passing he built enough into debian so that it can easily continue beyond his lifetime
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• 2436[14:23:59] *** Swinexuilo was kicked by abrotman (you should know better)
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• 2438[14:24:03] <abrotman> hexedit: please don't feed the trolls
• 2439[14:24:30] <hexedit> abrotman..ok
• 2440[14:24:51] <abrotman> comeon .. you couldn't see that guy was just here to cause problems?
• 2441[14:24:58] <abrotman> don't respond, call ops, ask for it to be removed
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• 2444[14:25:24] <hexedit> abrotman...no he seemed to not really know about the long and sustained efforts of ian murdock
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• 2447[14:25:50] <abrotman> Just ask for it to be banned, comeon .. the guy responsible for systemd did NOT poison Ian .. don't be stupid
• 2448[14:25:55] <abrotman> just get the asshat banned
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• 2478[14:39:35] <hexedit> michaelis here is stallman himself in action...so there can be no more misuderstanding...pay attention to the 500 computer installation and the difference between restricted supply and infinite supply
• 2479[14:39:42] <hexedit> replaced-url
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• 2481[14:40:52] <michaelis> #debian-offtopic
• 2482[14:41:04] <r6ku> hexedit: #debian-offtopic
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• 2491[14:43:37] <MaBunny> hey guys did you read this: replaced-url
• 2492[14:44:02] <MaBunny> its something about the Grub2 bootloader tht we should know
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• 2502[14:46:20] <saed> hello
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• 2506[14:47:14] <TxGVNN> hello, it's me
• 2507[14:47:43] <mx204> Hello there.
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• 2515[14:48:20] <MaBunny> by the way,what version of Grub does Debian jessie have? idk on tht
• 2516[14:48:48] <towo^work> MaBunny, not able to use google or another serach engine?
• 2517[14:48:56] <towo^work> MaBunny, replaced-url
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• 2524[14:50:15] <veek> what's that tool that can process pixels and set emm to black/white and crop (cmd line tool) not part of imagemagick
• 2525[14:50:41] <MaBunny> so is it fixed with the jessie iso or is it fixable by upgrading?
• 2526[14:50:41] <veek> i used to use it for ocr borders
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• 2529[14:50:50] <MaBunny> veek: GIMP?
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• 2532[14:51:03] <veek> dude cmd line tool
• 2533[14:51:15] <MaBunny> ok
• 2534[14:51:17] <hexedit> michaelis did you see freedom zero and unrestricted supply to install on 500 or 5000000 computers...so you understand he really is talking about zero price
• 2535[14:51:18] <veek> guhh! so frustrating
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• 2537[14:51:41] <hexedit> michaelis..i can't give you any better source than stallman himself
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• 2550[14:53:45] <hexedit> so that there can never be any more confusion about free and freedom when money matters to most people
• 2551[14:53:51] <r6ku> hexedit: stfu already
• 2552[14:54:23] <michaelis> hexedit: I'll answer you on #debian-offtopic, if you dare.
• 2553[14:54:43] <hexedit> michaelis ..ok see you there
• 2554[14:55:13] <veek> hmm.. couldn't they shorten that to ot
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• 2563[14:59:46] <SailsjsDude> Anyone able to get Youtube working with Iceweasel?
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• 2565[15:00:06] <michaelis> SailsjsDude: Works out of the box for me.
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• 2567[15:00:26] <SailsjsDude> michaelis: are you using Gnome, Xfce4 or KDE ?
• 2568[15:01:02] <SailsjsDude> I'm using Debian 8 (Jessie) and I just installed Iceweasel, but Youtube says missing plugin. Googling shows I need to in stall gstreamer0.1-ffmpeg
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• 2572[15:02:05] <markybob> SailsjsDude: you need to install flashplugin-nonfree if you want flash. ffmpeg if you want to use the html5 player
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• 2576[15:02:51] <SailsjsDude> Do you know what the appropriate apt-get repository URL I need to add to install FFMPEG?
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• 2578[15:03:15] <SailsjsDude> I found this: replaced-url
• 2579[15:03:44] <markybob> SailsjsDude: it's in jessie-backports
• 2580[15:04:13] <markybob> !tell SailsjsDude about jessie-backports
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• 2583[15:05:07] <SailsjsDude> Ok, I'll give it a try.
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• 2586[15:06:10] <markybob> SailsjsDude: also look into browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
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• 2588[15:06:36] <michaelis> SailsjsDude: Gnome.
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• 2599[15:09:05] <SailsjsDude> @markybob so after adding the backports into my sources.list and apt-get update, I go apt-get install ffmpeg?
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• 2602[15:09:51] <markybob> SailsjsDude: apt-get install ffmpeg -t jessie-backports
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• 2608[15:10:43] <SailsjsDude> Thank you, I'll install it and hopefully it works :)
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• 2611[15:13:02] <markybob> SailsjsDude: i'd still install browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash ...makes things easier.
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• 2618[15:15:40] <SailsjsDude> @markybob I did a quick read of that, it some sort of thing that allow chrome plugins to work on Iceweasel?
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• 2621[15:15:57] <SailsjsDude> I actually had Chrome working earlier but all of a sudden after reboot it doesn't start anymore
• 2622[15:16:01] <x4w3> ma caio perdon
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• 2625[15:16:05] <SailsjsDude> It keep giving me an error about Illegal instruction
• 2626[15:16:14] <markybob> SailsjsDude: just flash in particular in this case
• 2627[15:16:39] <SailsjsDude> Any ideas why my Chrome was working earlier but stops working after reboot? :D
• 2628[15:16:39] <x4w3> SailsjsDude: try to attach more info
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• 2630[15:16:58] <markybob> SailsjsDude: i don't use it. did you try chromium?
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• 2632[15:17:10] <SailsjsDude> I downloaded the deb package file using wget, google chrome amd64 current stable build
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• 2634[15:17:53] <SailsjsDude> Chromium aye, will check it out
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• 2637[15:18:18] <captain_morgan> when a package is listed as autoremove unneeded, how can I tell what packaged originally installed it?
• 2638[15:18:20] <x4w3> SailsjsDude: yes better
• 2639[15:18:22] <lux7676> after downloading debian and making iso file im getting an error "that some install file is missing" i tried downloading a different one and still same thing, what could be the problem
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• 2645[15:19:36] <themill> lux7676: what precisely have you done? "making iso file" doesn't mean much to me
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• 2650[15:21:03] <lux7676> themill, i downloaded it, and runned through usb installer
• 2651[15:21:24] <themill> "usb installer"?
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• 2653[15:21:28] <lux7676> i selected live debian 64 bit
• 2654[15:21:30] <lux7676> yes
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• 2656[15:21:34] <lux7676> yumi
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• 2658[15:21:48] <lux7676> i tried with pendrive as well
• 2659[15:22:22] <themill> I have no idea what these tools are.
• 2660[15:22:25] <lux7676> i never had any problems with other linux distrubutions except debian for some reason
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• 2663[15:22:52] <markybob> lux7676: are you currently on linux of some sort? or windows?
• 2664[15:22:54] <themill> All you need to do is copy the image to the usb disk and unfortunately lots of tools don't do that.
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• 2666[15:23:01] <lux7676> replaced-url
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• 2669[15:23:11] <lux7676> linux
• 2670[15:23:27] <lux7676> i tried to do it with windows as well
• 2671[15:23:33] <markybob> lux7676: cp image.iso /dev/sdX like the manual says
• 2672[15:23:34] <lux7676> like creating the iso file
• 2673[15:23:35] <lux7676> same thign
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• 2675[15:23:54] <themill> lux7676: how about following the instructions that come with the image, as markybob just suggested
• 2676[15:24:29] <lux7676> markybob ?
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• 2679[15:24:47] <markybob> lux7676: a lot of iso "burning" tools fuck up debian. so we use simple cp
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• 2681[15:25:09] <lux7676> im trying to figure out what could be wrong because i did everything as always and this is the only linux distribution that im not able to install
• 2682[15:25:43] <lux7676> markybob i dont know what that is, can you explain ?
• 2683[15:26:02] <lux7676> always use some program that makes the iso file working
• 2684[15:26:21] <themill> there is nothing to make; you only need to copy
• 2685[15:26:30] <markybob> cp is linux "copy"
• 2686[15:26:59] <lux7676> oh
• 2687[15:27:14] <lux7676> can you give me some guide how to do it im kinda lost
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• 2689[15:27:24] <markybob> /dev/sdX is your usb drive. replace X with the actual device name (probably will be /dev/sdb)
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• 2691[15:28:07] <markybob> !install guide
• 2692[15:28:08] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at replaced-url
• 2693[15:28:14] <markybob> but for real...i gave you the exact command
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• 2699[15:32:45] <veek> i have a scanned image with borders .. what's the best way to chop the black borders and make it white barring the text and clean up the splotches
• 2700[15:32:46] <markybob> lux7676: if you feel more comfortable doing this in windows do this:
• 2701[15:32:49] <markybob> !win32diskimager
• 2702[15:32:49] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
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• 2738[15:47:02] <lux7676> dpkg i will do this cuz it seems easier
• 2739[15:47:03] <dpkg> lux7676: have you tried replaced-url
• 2740[15:47:10] <kolla> I have zfs that depends on multipath - how do I tell systemd that it should not start zfs-import-cache.service until after multipath-tools.service is done?
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• 2743[15:48:04] <markybob> lux7676: don't listen to that. dpkg is a bot i called on to give you that factoid earlier
• 2744[15:48:05] <kolla> currently, it tries loads zfs-import-cache.service before multipath-tools.service, for some whack reason
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• 2750[15:49:03] <lux7676> oh
• 2751[15:49:06] <lux7676> markybob i will try something
• 2752[15:49:17] <lux7676> this is the exact error im getting everysingle time when i click install
• 2753[15:49:54] <markybob> yeah win32diskimager should be easy for you and fix that
• 2754[15:50:23] <lux7676> loading/install.amd vmlinux failed no such file or directory
• 2755[15:50:23] <lux7676> yeah lets see..
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• 2766[15:57:03] <kolla> problem solved by installing multipath-tools-boot
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• 2775[16:00:21] <TomyWork> hi
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• 2778[16:01:32] <TomyWork> "apt-get install foo=1.2.3" doesn't install version 1.2.3-2 of that package. is there a flag i can give it to be a bit more fuzzy about package versions?
• 2779[16:03:10] <grauzikas> apt-cache search foo to get available options and also you can edit source list to get different versions of package
• 2780[16:03:14] <TomyWork> i know i can append a "*" to make it work, but i dont really know what that does
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• 2782[16:03:22] <TomyWork> grauzikas i need a programmatic way
• 2783[16:03:36] <themill> TomyWork: what are you trying to achieve?
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• 2785[16:04:02] <TomyWork> i'm trying to automatically install the latest release of a certain version of a package
• 2786[16:04:14] <TomyWork> or any release, for that matter
• 2787[16:04:16] <themill> that's what apt wants to do anyway
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• 2789[16:04:30] <grauzikas> TomyWork better compile package from source then
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• 2792[16:04:47] <TomyWork> themill by default, apt will install the latest release of the latest version of a package
• 2793[16:04:51] <grauzikas> also apt will install for that realease latest stable version
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• 2796[16:05:07] <TomyWork> grauzikas i have the package in my repo, so that's not the issue
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• 2798[16:05:31] <themill> TomyWork: ahh, so you're shoving lots of different versions of packages into the same repo?
• 2799[16:05:37] <TomyWork> yes
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• 2801[16:05:54] <TomyWork> or rather, i'm using someone else's repo with lots of different versions
• 2802[16:05:57] <lux7676> markybob
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• 2805[16:06:27] <themill> TomyWork: restructuring the repo so that it is sensibly arranged would be the best option; pinning would work fine too
• 2806[16:06:33] <grauzikas> you can download deb, then if it requires setup debconf-set-selections and install it from deb
• 2807[16:06:41] <lux7676> this kernel requires an x86-64cpu but only detected an i686 cpu
• 2808[16:06:41] <lux7676> unable to boot
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• 2810[16:06:46] <lux7676> what went wrong ?
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• 2812[16:07:05] <markybob> lux7676: you downloaded the wrong iso for your platform
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• 2814[16:07:46] <lux7676> markybob do i need 32bit for that computer
• 2815[16:07:48] <lux7676> ?
• 2816[16:08:01] <markybob> lux7676: apparently. replaced-url
• 2817[16:08:24] <TomyWork> themill hmmm, ideally i'd want to do this with the existing tools
• 2818[16:08:28] <TomyWork> we're using puppet
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• 2821[16:08:59] <TomyWork> and there's also a suse that's supposed to use the same puppet config
• 2822[16:09:52] <TomyWork> right now i'm just telling it to install version 1.2.3 of the package. for suse, there's version 1.2.3-2 and it just installs that
• 2823[16:09:54] <lux7676> thanks markybob
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• 2825[16:10:21] <themill> TomyWork: I'd not call pinning a non-existing tool. It's one of apt's config files.
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• 2830[16:10:44] <TomyWork> for debian i'm doing the same... maybe they're using the wrong separator between version and release...
• 2831[16:10:55] <TomyWork> for debian that's "+", not "-", right?
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• 2833[16:11:29] <themill> I assume you mean "debian revision"; apt treats versions as opaque strings. They have a collation order but nothing more.
• 2834[16:11:42] <TomyWork> ok
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• 2837[16:12:17] <TomyWork> yeah, debian revision... same thing, different distro, really :)
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• 2844[16:16:31] <DeaDSouL> hi, I just want to share with you a link to a free license which costs $30, for a good online back driver :) .... note it will expire 7/4/2016 ..... url: replaced-url
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• 2848[16:17:42] <TomyWork> does that comply with the dfsg?
• 2849[16:17:43] <bzed> DeaDSouL: wrong OS.
• 2850[16:18:13] <bzed> oh for linux, too... but well then, only free as in beer.
• 2851[16:18:20] <DeaDSouL> bzed: yes :)
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• 2854[16:19:04] <DeaDSouL> backup *
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• 2858[16:19:15] <strk> how do I tell apt-get install to install a specific version when there are multiple candidates ?
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• 2862[16:19:41] <strk> for "golang" in particular, where 2:1.5.1-4~bpo8+1 is from backports and 2:1.3.3-1 is from jessie
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• 2865[16:19:58] <strk> apt-cache policy says Candidate: 2:1.3.3-1
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• 2867[16:20:11] <markybob> strk: apt-get install foo -t jessie-backports
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• 2869[16:20:50] <han-solo> hey guys
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• 2871[16:21:11] <han-solo> isn't there supposed to be a mysql-jdbc package available?
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• 2873[16:21:33] <strk> thanks markybob, worked
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• 2877[16:22:39] <themill> ,i libmysql-java
• 2878[16:22:40] <judd> Package libmysql-java (java, optional) in jessie/amd64: Java database (JDBC) driver for MySQL. Version: 5.1.32-1; Size: 1034.1k; Installed: 1130k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2879[16:22:43] <themill> han-solo: ^^ ?
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• 2882[16:24:09] <han-solo> okay thanks
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• 2909[16:32:43] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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• 2914[16:33:29] <ychaouche> Somebody is suggesting me to disable selinux/apparmor... to try to bypass an error somewhere in postfix (context replaced-url
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• 2916[16:33:53] <ychaouche> is that safe ?
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• 2919[16:34:51] <themill> That "somebody" is the main developer of postfix.
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• 2922[16:35:11] <ychaouche> :D
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• 2924[16:36:39] <lux7676> markybob does erasing the hard drive takes few hours ?
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• 2926[16:36:53] <ychaouche> Wouldn't it be better if I figured out how to configure whatever is blocking postfix instead of just disabling it ? I feel like this is the equivalent of shutting down a firewall completely because an application can't run.
• 2927[16:36:56] <lux7676> it seems like 1% after 15 minutes
• 2928[16:37:12] <markybob> lux7676: it sure can.
• 2929[16:37:37] <themill> ychaouche: sure, but the starting point would be to verify that is indeed the issue
• 2930[16:37:41] <lux7676> oh
• 2931[16:37:44] <ychaouche> themill: ah ok
• 2932[16:37:54] <lux7676> well im glad because it seems like its gonna do a good job
• 2933[16:37:56] <lux7676> i cant wait
• 2934[16:38:09] <lux7676> to see how its gonna do
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• 2949[16:46:01] <module000> ychaouche: selinux/apparmor are not trivial to "tweak" if you aren't experienced doing it, the postfix author is probably trying to save time
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• 2952[16:46:18] <ychaouche> module000: ok
• 2953[16:46:36] <ychaouche> I think I don't even have selinux installed, /selinux/ isn't present on my system
• 2954[16:47:35] <module000> ychaouche: if you are using apparmor, just remove the profile for postfix. then apparmor is still present and working, just not for postfix
• 2955[16:47:54] <ychaouche> ok will check if apparmor is installed and running
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• 2957[16:48:26] <ychaouche> dpkg-query: package 'apparmor' is not installed and no information is available
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• 2961[16:49:12] <module000> ychaouche: then you aren't getting selinux/apparmor interference. return to the postfix manual ;)
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• 2963[16:49:39] <tharkun> I need to make the apt-get install option of --no-install-recommends to be persistent on certain systems. The man page states Configuration Item: APT:Install-Recommends but I can't figure out what to do with it.
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• 2969[16:51:36] <ychaouche> tharkun: you have to edit a special file and put that into it
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• 2974[16:52:18] <madthias> hey guys. I was trying to install something that requires PHP 5.3 on my Debian 7 server. I tried downgrading from 5.4 but i see that the squeeze mirrors are gone now?
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• 2983[16:54:49] <Checkfx> o/ --all
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• 2986[16:55:11] <ychaouche> \o
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• 2988[16:55:50] <Checkfx> can some one give me a link for a tutorial about installing nvidia driver for my debian 8 jessie cinnamon 64 bit plz
• 2989[16:56:01] <Checkfx> every one i try ... dont work
• 2990[16:56:11] <tharkun> ychaouche: replaced-url
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• 2992[16:56:27] <Checkfx> my Xserver wont work after the nvidia-xconfig
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• 2995[16:57:13] <ychaouche> tharkun: HAH :) look in /etc/apt/preferences.d/
• 2996[16:57:28] <tulphoon> Checkfx, well i can try to help u
• 2997[16:57:33] <ychaouche> tharkun: or point me to the document you were reading
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• 2999[16:58:01] <Checkfx> ty ... it would be apreciate cause i was on a hard install ok kali and never had trouble before
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• 3002[16:58:42] <Checkfx> but if it's the one to use ...
• 3003[16:58:49] <Checkfx> well ... :/
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• 3006[17:00:09] <beastwick987> Does Debian strip things out from a kernel? I upgraded to 4.4.6 by compiling my own changes. However, I grabbed 3.17.8 from kernel.org and when I do make oldconfig it surprisingly asks me to set options for things that were not set in the config for 4.4.6. How is that possible?
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• 3021[17:04:41] <Guest82194> my curl request will always block me get an message : curl: (35) error:14082174:SSL routines:SSL3_CHECK_CERT_AND_ALGORITHM:dh key too small , did anyone know what i can do to fix it ?
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• 3023[17:05:26] <John> hi all
• 3024[17:05:47] <John> im not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but im trying to figure out what kinds of system calls are avaliblible for file writes
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• 3028[17:06:03] <John> For example, i know files can be written, and i know they can be appended - but can they be prepended?
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• 3030[17:06:10] <John> Can they be extended from the middle?
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• 3032[17:06:23] <John> I dont mean are there tools to do this, i mean does the OS support it?
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• 3043[17:09:47] <Guest82194> nice question John ^^
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• 3047[17:11:15] <John> Thanks man - its been o my mind for ages and i never really thought to ask until now :)
• 3048[17:11:19] <John> *on
• 3049[17:11:20] <ychaouche> John: try xman
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• 3051[17:11:31] <John> Whos xman?
• 3052[17:11:37] <ychaouche> John: you also need to install the manual pages for section 2
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• 3054[17:11:49] <ychaouche> then browse section 2 pages inside of xman
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• 3056[17:11:56] <John> ahh, ok :)
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• 3058[17:12:25] <ychaouche> Guest82194: is the URL you are trying to curl opening in a browser ?
• 3059[17:12:37] <ychaouche> Guest82194: it seems the host you're trying to reach has an SSL problem.
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• 3061[17:13:22] <ychaouche> themill: module000: is there anything else besides selinux and apparmor that I should check, security-wise ?
• 3062[17:14:13] <John> oh, this is hard - theres hundreds of syscalls and the names only loosly relate to the function -_-
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• 3064[17:14:23] <John> the names are not verbose, anywya
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• 3066[17:14:58] <module000> ychaouche: that's it for selinux/apparmor, plenty of things to make a mistake of on though configuring postfix
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• 3068[17:15:36] <ychaouche> John: try apropos read/write
• 3069[17:15:45] <ychaouche> John: or man -k (I think they're the same)
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• 3071[17:16:24] <ychaouche> module000: ok thanks. I was making sure there is not another software like selinux or apparmor running.
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• 3075[17:17:26] <John> hm, theres seems to be this: replaced-url
• 3076[17:17:36] <John> which talks about putting a "hole" in the file
• 3077[17:17:41] <John> ill check out apropos :)
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• 3082[17:18:41] <ychaouche> apropos -s 2 read
• 3083[17:18:56] <ychaouche> the -s switch to search in section 2 specifically (system calls)
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• 3085[17:19:12] <ychaouche> otherwise you'll get the man pages from all sections
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• 3090[17:21:08] <Guest82194> my curl request will always block me get an message : curl: (35) error:14082174:SSL routines:SSL3_CHECK_CERT_AND_ALGORITHM:dh key too small , did anyone know what i can do to fix it ?
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• 3101[17:25:08] <jelly> Guest82194: which debian release are you using>
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• 3105[17:27:05] <Guest82194> Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u2 i686 GNU/Linux
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• 3108[17:27:56] <jelly> Guest82194: that's probably debian 7; do you have the latest libssl1.0.0 package installed? Pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy curl libcurl3 libssl1.0.0"
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• 3117[17:30:31] <Guest82194> replaced-url
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• 3130[17:35:47] <jelly> Guest82194: well, those are the latest for debian 7. But debian 8 has been out for a year now...
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• 3135[17:37:45] <jelly> Guest82194: is the site you're doing curl from/to publicly accessible?
• 3136[17:38:00] <Guest82194> ok is the question should i upgrade because its an home server only or is there a way to fix ?
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• 3139[17:39:19] <Guest82194> no its my local router me use curl to reconnect my internet , the firmware of the router wasnt changed
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• 3146[17:42:21] <jelly> Guest82194: I guess it's really old firmware then, updating that may help, or downgrading libssl1.0.0
• 3147[17:43:29] <Guest82194> ok update wasnt avaible , can you tell me how i can downgrade libssl ?
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• 3156[17:47:43] <jelly> Guest82194: you'll have to pick an older version from replaced-url
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• 3164[17:48:57] <Guest82194> is there an .deb file to install for wheezy ?
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• 3169[17:50:20] <jelly> Guest82194: yes, you'll find it on the snapshots site. Fix for the security issue CVE-2015-4000 introduces limits on dh key sizes was added in 1.0.1e-2+deb7u17 so you'll probably have to pick one lower than that
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• 3171[17:51:14] <tharkun> ychaouche: man apt-get
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• 3178[17:53:41] <Waxhead> I tired a UEFI install of Debian a while ago , but reverted back to a standard install since the UEFI stuff installed a separate partition. This sucks if you plan to use stuff like btrfs (when it's stable) and assign the entire disk to the filesystem. It also sounds like a bad idea redundancy wise especially if you use software raid or raid like solutions. Can Debian install on UEFI systems without that pesky partition?
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• 3180[17:54:09] <greycat> UEFI requires an EFI partition. It's part of the disk layout.
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• 3182[17:54:32] <Waxhead> greycat: blerk... alright no way around that then :(
• 3183[17:54:46] <Waxhead> greycat: ...thanks by the way :)
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• 3186[17:55:37] <Guest82194> its hard to find .deb file ^^ but i try it
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• 3188[17:55:57] <greycat> If you're doing RAID 1 on the boot disk, you would need to create and mirror the EFI partition as well, or you wouldn't be able to boot from the "second" disk in the RAID 1 set.
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• 3191[17:56:12] <hassoon> Anyone would tell me why didn't i3lock run for me after waking up from sleep bearing in mind that I did write this file /etc/systemd/system/i3lock.service which is replaced-url
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• 3195[17:57:41] <james555> Hi! I'm having problems with virtualbox usb?
• 3196[17:57:42] <Waxhead> hassoon: no expert, but perhaps you should look up the Conflicts directive in systemd.
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• 3201[17:58:30] <james555> a few days ago I updated & upgraded, and now my virtualbox doesn't seem to recongine any usb devices
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• 3203[17:58:49] <hassoon> Waxhead: ah I've found this thread in the ubuntu forum, it looks promising replaced-url
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• 3206[17:59:33] <ychaouche> tharkun: that configuration needs to be put in /etc/apt/apt.conf. Source : replaced-url
• 3207[17:59:45] <hassoon> ychaouche: brah.
• 3208[17:59:53] <ychaouche> tharkun: I just ddg APT:Install-Recommends
• 3209[18:00:01] <ychaouche> tharkun: then hit first search result :)
• 3210[18:00:05] <ychaouche> hassoon: o/
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• 3214[18:00:19] <hassoon> ychaouche: G'day.
• 3215[18:00:20] <Guest82194> jelly is the ok --> replaced-url
• 3216[18:00:27] <james555> the worst thing about this is that now I can't use my lasercutter! It relies on a sucky USB dongle!
• 3217[18:00:50] <Guest82194> *this one
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• 3225[18:03:10] <defanor> i'm never certain where to put git repositories on a server; the git book examples seem to use /opt/git/, but according to FHS, i'd think it should rather be somewhere in /var/. where do you store them and why?
• 3226[18:03:55] <ChrisH> r0ck_: Why not use ~/.ssh/config ?
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• 3229[18:04:33] <sonOfRa> defanor: gitolite puts them in /var/lib/gitolite afaik
• 3230[18:04:46] <ChrisH> Ups... My client was days behind.... strange scroll behaviour :) r0ck_ might be days to late :)
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• 3234[18:05:17] <veek> what's a cmd line tool that's not imagemagick that can crop borders and change grayscale to b/w and threshold/pixel colors to white/black used for OCR images to pdf
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• 3236[18:06:19] <qmr> imagemagick
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• 3238[18:06:21] <defanor> sonOfRa: it makes sense to me, though might be a bit different from manually created/accessed repositories. that is, FHS distinguishes between things modified by users, and by programs. though git repositories are modified by `git` almost always, but that's not a daemon, and you tell it quite explicitly which repo to modify
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• 3243[18:07:07] <defanor> will also ask on #git, but perhaps /var/lib/git would be a fine place
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• 3245[18:07:19] <egrain> how can i find out if i'm getting my ip via dhcp? i have dhclient running. i guess that's a good indicator.
• 3246[18:07:27] <sonOfRa> "What's a good tool for the job I want to do, but not the best tool there is for the job that does exactly what I want"
• 3247[18:07:29] <sonOfRa> Whyyy
• 3248[18:07:34] <blind> veek: why not imagemagick? I'm not sure of another tool, imagemagick is the standard for such things.
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• 3251[18:08:11] <veek> blind, well i've used this tool so i'm familiar with the options - i've just forgotten it's darn name
• 3252[18:08:22] <greycat> egrain: That's a likely indicator. Also check /etc/network/interfaces.
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• 3255[18:08:54] <blind> That's a weird answer.
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• 3257[18:09:32] <egrain> greycat, there it is. eth0 inet dhcp.
• 3258[18:09:33] <egrain> thanks a bunch.
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• 3262[18:10:37] <bazhang> ,v phatch
• 3263[18:10:39] <judd> Package: phatch on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.2.7-5; wheezy: 0.2.7.1-1; sid: 0.2.7.1-3.1; jessie: 0.2.7.1-3.1
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• 3275[18:12:36] <MarkBilk> hi! i'm running jessie/kde in virtualbox with a 2-button trackball. please,how do i copy/paste?
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• 3280[18:14:25] <tharkun> ychaouche: Ended up doing exactly that. But I arrived to it through a Different method.
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• 3283[18:15:03] <ychaouche> tharkun: \o/
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• 3290[18:18:11] <no_gravity> When I see that a system swaps in vmstat - why does it only show numbers in swapin and not in swapout?
• 3291[18:19:21] <hassoon> is there some certain syntax to follow when naming my script that i've put in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/ ?
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• 3297[18:21:29] <tharkun> So as you can see on your backlog I beating the crap out of apt-get. I found a discrepancy between the man page and the actual configuration parameters. /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ APT configuration file fragments. Configuration Item: Dir::Etc::Parts. apt-config dump| grep Dir::Etc::parts Dir::Etc::parts "apt.conf.d"; So is that a bug on the documentation?
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• 3299[18:22:14] <tharkun> or The Parameteres Are Case Insensitive. pun Inteded.
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• 3342[18:45:39] <ashes-mobile> hello. i need help with the example iptables for a home NAT. one rule is failing: "iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -i ! wlan0 -j ACCEPT". i am pretty sure it's because of the !
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• 3344[18:46:23] <ashes-mobile> i replaced '! wlan0' with two rules, one for 'eth0' and another for 'usb0', which has basically the same affect
• 3345[18:46:58] <markybob> ashes-mobile: #netfilter will help you better
• 3346[18:47:03] <ashes-mobile> ok
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• 3348[18:47:29] <jhutchins> veek: Maybe you are thinking of a tool that's part of imagemagick? I'm not sure there is another tool or suite that does image manipulation from the command line.
• 3349[18:48:10] <ashes-mobile> one more thing... my iptables rules in /etc/network/if-up.d/00-iptables-nat.sh does not seem to get loaded on boot. it is +x
• 3350[18:48:28] <ashes-mobile> i used the example from debian-administration.org
• 3351[18:49:00] <ashes-mobile> if i run by hand it works
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• 3354[18:49:25] <Gamenoob> hi, I have dual boot win 10 and debian (shared ntfs partition) and I made changes to fstab file like Im supposed to. But everytime I boot into win 10 and after I cant boot debian.
• 3355[18:49:26] <ashes-mobile> i'm tempted to just add it to /etc/rc.local
• 3356[18:49:51] <Gamenoob> I have error like this Error mounting system-managed device /dev/sda3: Command-line `mount "/media/storage"' exited with non-zero exit status 14: The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 0).
• 3357[18:49:51] <Gamenoob> Metadata kept in Windows cache, refused to mount.
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• 3360[18:50:44] <Gamenoob> so ifanyone knows how to shutdown windows without data kept in cache
• 3361[18:51:02] <mtn> Gamenoob: are you using fast startup in windows?
• 3362[18:51:19] <Gamenoob> no
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• 3364[18:51:26] <Gamenoob> I don't think so
• 3365[18:51:27] <veek> jhutchins, i'm positive there's this tool THAT's NOT part of imagemagick .. it's a standalone pkg that is used with scanned images to remove the border etc
• 3366[18:51:39] <mtn> Gamenoob: might want to check. replaced-url
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• 3369[18:52:20] <Gamenoob> okay
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• 3371[18:52:24] <veek> jhutchins, it had a technical name for the pkg .. eg: mogrify (which is part of imagemagick) i've googled no luck :( but it was mentioned in an article on ocr'ing books
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• 3375[18:53:53] <jhutchins> veek: Gimp has a batch mode: replaced-url
• 3376[18:54:03] <jhutchins> veek: I doubt that's what you're thinking of though.
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• 3392[18:58:17] <DeaDSouL> hi, i tried to restart the network, in debian wheezy .... it said: Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not re-enable some interfaces ... (warning).
• 3393[18:58:41] <JZA> hi I got debian wheezy with a 'too old' version of python, any guide on how to update to the latest python?
• 3394[18:58:45] <DeaDSouL> whats the alternative
• 3395[18:58:55] <JZA> My virtualenv and virtualenvwrappers are broken due to pip dropping support for python 3.2
• 3396[18:58:56] <markybob> DeaDSouL: ifdown/ifup
• 3397[18:58:59] <greycat> DeaDSouL: depends on what you think "restart the network" actually means.
• 3398[18:59:20] <JZA> I have something lik ethis: /usr/local/lib/python3.2/dist-packages/virtualenv_support/pip-8.1.1-py2.py3-none-any.whl/pip/_vendor/pkg_resources/__init__.py:87: UserWarning: Support for Python 3.0-3.2 has been dropped. Future versions will fail here
• 3399[19:00:05] <paxcoder> For a few years now, I've been forced to wait about 2 minutes for something to time out around these lines (from dmesg): replaced-url
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• 3401[19:00:26] <DeaDSouL> greycat: the same thing that /etc/init.d/networking restart used to do
• 3402[19:00:39] <DeaDSouL> markybob: ifdown eth0 ... ifup eth0 ?
• 3403[19:00:45] <greycat> And what is that? What's your goal? If you just want to bring interfaces down and back up, use ifdown and ifup.
• 3404[19:01:08] <JZA> any wheezy/python/django user?
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• 3408[19:01:31] <markybob> DeaDSouL: yes. man ifup
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• 3410[19:01:53] <DeaDSouL> thanks
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• 3412[19:02:24] <Gamenoob> mtn: thank you
• 3413[19:02:25] <Gamenoob> it works
• 3414[19:02:27] <paxcoder> I should note that a countup is visible (after a while), right after the soft reset line. Something like X/1:30, looking like it does something, business as usual after it times out.
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• 3418[19:03:22] <paxcoder> Sorry, I omitted to say that the countup line disappears when it counts all the way up, perhaps it's overwritten by the last line in the dmesg part.
• 3419[19:03:38] <paxcoder> (carriage return and all that)
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• 3423[19:04:01] <JZA> anyone knows how to get rid of this issue on pip?
• 3424[19:04:41] <greycat> Either upgrade to jessie, or build python 3.3 (or newer) from upstream source and install it in /usr/local or something.
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• 3427[19:05:19] <greycat> judd shows no backports of python3.4 for wheezy
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• 3433[19:06:19] <JZA> greycat: I tried using previous versions of virtualenv but still fails.
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• 3435[19:06:34] <JZA> seems the issue is on Pip itself. which is a pip from the current repo.
• 3436[19:06:56] <JZA> is there an upto date python repo for debian wheezy?
• 3437[19:07:07] <greycat> No.
• 3438[19:07:11] <greycat> Wheezy is oldstable.
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• 3442[19:10:34] <mtn> Gamenoob: welcome
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• 3445[19:14:08] <JZA> greycat: most of these erros seems to come from python3-pip
• 3446[19:14:14] <JZA> as in apt-get install python3-pip
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• 3448[19:14:27] <JZA> and setuptools
• 3449[19:14:29] <MarkBilk> how to copy/paste in jessie/kde ?
• 3450[19:14:38] <blind> ctrl+c, ctrl+v ?
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• 3452[19:14:52] <blind> right click -> copy, right click -> paste ?
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• 3454[19:15:08] <blind> Unless you're in a terminal emulator, then it might be a bit different.
• 3455[19:15:10] <greycat> Well, I guess you could file a bug report but since it's a bug report against oldstable, and it's not a security bug, and since fixing it seems to require a full-version upgrade, I wouldn't be too optimistic.
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• 3459[19:16:06] <greycat> MarkBilk: what you're looking for is how to emulate the middle button. Used to be you set something in xorg.conf (or XF86Config or something). Now there is no xorg.conf. Good luck.
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• 3464[19:18:20] <jelly> Guest82194: no, the package needs to be the exact same name and architecture, just a bit lower version
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• 3469[19:19:41] <Guest82194> are you so friendly and explain me howto do it ? maybe an .deb file to override ?
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• 3472[19:20:58] <DeaDSouL> my server looks like it can't send/receive data to/from internet... i tried to restart the network interfaces,... tried to reboot.... same problem, can't `apt update` ... and when i `ping google.com` it says: 'ping: unknown host google.com' ..... what could be the problem ?
• 3473[19:21:14] <greycat> Name resolution.
• 3474[19:21:26] <greycat> Check your /etc/resolv.conf and try to contact the nameservers listed there.
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• 3477[19:21:53] <greycat> ping is a good start, dig @... is even better.
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• 3479[19:22:10] <DeaDSouL> greycat: right..... i totally forgot about it... thanks bro :D
• 3480[19:22:38] <DeaDSouL> now it does work :)
• 3481[19:23:18] <greycat> Note that DHCP clients love to overwrite your carefully edited resolv.conf file, so if you simply edited resolv.conf and the box uses DHCP, you might need a bigger stick.
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• 3488[19:25:49] <nisse_> hello all! any sed/awk experts online?
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• 3490[19:26:21] <markybob> nisse_: #bash might be better
• 3491[19:26:23] <greycat> There's ##sed and #awk, but ask your question first. If it's really easy, we may know.
• 3492[19:26:55] <greycat> It's also a bad sign if a question involves both of those.
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• 3496[19:28:48] <Iridos> paxcoder, don't think you can do much... communication with the disk fails in the beginning in some way, kernel gives the command for a soft reset, which fails... timeout, then whatever workaround... then another soft reset... takes time. If it's a bug then it's clearly in the kernel... The error messages seems to be mentioned in this bug: replaced-url
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• 3503[19:31:23] <Checkfx> tulphoon ping
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• 3506[19:32:54] <paxcoder> Iridos: thanks for the reply.
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• 3508[19:34:08] <Iridos> paxcoder, the bug mentions that the message was changed to the current format... but they say it was not connected with any delay...
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• 3514[19:34:55] <paxcoder> Iridos: I'l reboot and take a photo of the disappearing message, then write out ot here when I return.
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• 3533[19:41:46] <nisse_> how to i fix the sed flags in this line to only read the value on the last line of the file? sed -n 's/.*"BeerTemp"://;s/,.*//;p' /home/brewpi/logs/stdout.txt
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• 3535[19:42:00] <nisse_> i feel so dumb
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• 3537[19:42:29] <greycat> So the real question is "How do I change the last line of a text file from ..." uh.. I can't tell what you are trying to change from and to.
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• 3540[19:43:12] <greycat> I think the string BeerTemp is involved in some way, but without seeing the input....
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• 3543[19:43:38] <Iridos> paxcoder: replaced-url
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• 3545[19:43:59] <greycat> Or did you actually mean "The last occurrence of BeerTemp" rather than "the list line of the file"?
• 3546[19:44:05] <greycat> last*
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• 3548[19:44:16] <nisse_> i dont wanna change it, i just want to extract the beertemp value from the last line in the log file
• 3549[19:44:39] <nisse_> instead of getting all beertemp values in the file
• 3550[19:44:41] <greycat> What does the input line look like?
• 3551[19:44:47] <paxcoder> Iridos: thanks, I'll look it
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• 3554[19:45:19] <nisse_> i'm not really sure, but i want like you say the last occuring beertemp value
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• 3556[19:45:42] <greycat> OK, so us grep BeerTemp /home/brewpi/logs/stdout.txt | tail -n 1
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• 3558[19:45:49] <greycat> show* us ... :(
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• 3562[19:46:44] <nisse_> Apr 06 2016 19:46:28 {"BeerTemp": 20.50,"BeerSet":null,"BeerAnn":null,"FridgeTemp": 21.00,"FridgeSet":null,"FridgeAnn":null,"State":0}
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• 3564[19:46:50] <greycat> Oh god, it's JSON.
• 3565[19:46:58] <nisse_> haha
• 3566[19:47:01] <Iridos> you wouldn't by any chance want the current value of that all the time?
• 3567[19:47:06] <greycat> Well, forget sed and awk and bash.
• 3568[19:47:28] <greycat> Pick your favorite language that can read JSON.
• 3569[19:47:47] <nisse_> The thing is, it's logging quite frequently and i just want the most current reading to be displayed on a 1wire lcd display
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• 3581[19:49:29] <paxcoder> Iridos: Actually, this is the message that I'm waiting for to time out: A start job is running for File System Check on /dev/disk/by-uuid/some-guid-wont-writ-eout (XXs / no limit)
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• 3584[19:50:57] <paxcoder> Iridos: once it's done, it says Started File System Check on (same device). Then it says: Mounting /home..., Mounted /home. Reached target Local File System.
• 3585[19:51:26] <paxcoder> Iridos: That's an issue different from the softreset, right?
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• 3587[19:52:25] <defanor> where is one supposed to put systemd .service files for custom daemons in debian jessie? i've tried `/usr/lib/systemd/user/`, but looks like systemd can't see it there. used `/usr/lib/systemd/system/` before, but not sure if it's a proper place
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• 3592[19:53:09] <defanor> (though it worked from that directory)
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• 3594[19:53:17] <greycat> defanor: /etc/systemd/system/
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• 3596[19:53:38] <defanor> greycat: thanks
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• 3619[20:04:05] <Iridos> nisse_, just adding " | tail -n1 " behind your command will print the last line it produces. Which may not be so useful if the line didn't contain BeerTemp
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• 3622[20:04:54] <greycat> Iridos: the bigger issue is parsing the JSON
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• 3626[20:07:00] <Iridos> greycat, if all lines are exactly that format, it doesn't matter at all, it's just a fixed-string format, then. If "key":value pairs move around... maybe. Only way I can see his sed fail to extract a single value though, is, if the value isn't present
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• 3629[20:07:20] <Iridos> and extracting one value isn't exactly the same as "parsing", imho
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• 3635[20:08:11] <Iridos> I know you can pretty much forget for arbitrary xml/html/json
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• 3637[20:08:39] <Iridos> s/pretty much//
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• 3673[20:22:37] <dontknow> one word: xscreensaver
• 3674[20:23:00] <awal1> Is there any alternative for "menu"? Something that can display all pkgs/apps installed
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• 3680[20:25:03] <awal1> Sid machine here right now, but is a debian related stuff because .desktop files are being removed progressively and thats a deal for people running WM's
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• 3686[20:26:37] <jhutchins> awal1: dpkg -l
• 3687[20:26:43] <jhutchins> awal1: I have no idea what you mean by menu.
• 3688[20:26:53] <jhutchins> awal1: Is that a command or something?
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• 3690[20:26:58] <greycat> I suspect it's a GNOME/KDE thing.
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• 3697[20:28:19] <awal1> jhutchins, I mean an app doing a menu, panel menu, I dont know how to call it, I clic on it and displays in screen al applications I have
• 3698[20:28:31] <awal1> root menu
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• 3700[20:29:29] <jhutchins> awal1: Mackage management is much more efficient from the CLI.
• 3701[20:29:52] <greycat> I don't even think he means "packages". He means "applications that an end user would run in a GUI"
• 3702[20:30:03] <greycat> They probably have little icons and shit.
• 3703[20:30:29] <awal1> greycat, something like that yeah
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• 3708[20:31:59] <awal1> firefox and many other icons are no longer shown in root menu (all window managers) because .desktop file are no longer provided
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• 3712[20:32:41] <greycat> The divide between traditional Unix users and new "Desktop Environment" users is growing larger and larger.
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• 3714[20:33:08] <kingkong|Q> i installed fortune mod but it says fortune command not found. what i am missing? on wheezy
• 3715[20:33:25] <Jaga-Jaga> a line showed up on the left of my monitor. reboot didnt help. any clue?
• 3716[20:33:31] <Jaga-Jaga> replaced-url
• 3717[20:33:32] <awal1> dmenu does the job, but sometimes I just forget the exact name of the app and its a problem
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• 3719[20:33:50] <greycat> kingkong|Q: does /usr/games/fortune work?
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• 3734[20:37:13] <kingkong|Q> greycat: yes it works thanks. how can i make it work with fortune command? and do i need fortune min and fortune max?
• 3735[20:37:23] <greycat> Are you trying to run it as root? If so, don't.
• 3736[20:37:32] <greycat> /usr/games should be in your PATH as a regular user.
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• 3738[20:38:37] <kingkong|Q> and fortunes off
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• 3740[20:38:50] <kingkong|Q> greycat: yes i installed it as root. wrong ?
• 3741[20:39:03] <greycat> Installing it as root is correct. Running it as root is not.
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• 3750[20:40:45] <kingkong|Q> ok it works with fortune command as user . i see
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• 3753[20:41:06] <kingkong|Q> do i need fortune min and fortune off?
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• 3755[20:41:20] <greycat> If you install fortunes-off you get the "offensive" fortunes.
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• 3762[20:42:07] <kingkong|Q> ok i dont needit
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• 3764[20:42:21] <kingkong|Q> i dont need it. :)
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• 3766[20:42:43] <kingkong|Q> and fortune min?
• 3767[20:43:05] <greycat> You should already have that. It's brought in by fortune-mod.
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• 3772[20:44:32] <greycat> Or... I guess that's just a Recommends, so you might not necessarily have it, but since fortune worked, you probably do.
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• 3774[20:45:08] <kingkong|Q> what fortune min doing exactly
• 3775[20:45:21] <greycat> run "apt-cache show fortunes-min" to see the description
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• 3780[20:46:10] <greycat> compare to "apt-cache show fortunes"
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• 3785[20:47:04] <edoardo> Uhmm
• 3786[20:47:10] <edoardo> I got an issue with my Debian box
• 3787[20:47:18] <edoardo> `/dev/vda1 2.8G 2.7G 0 100% /`
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• 3789[20:47:33] <Jaga-Jaga> Why do I see a green thick column on the left border of my screen ?
• 3790[20:47:34] <greycat> Find something to delete.
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• 3793[20:48:07] <edoardo> Something suddently filled my entire hard disk , but ncdu doesn't say anything
• 3794[20:48:19] <edoardo> It says that i'm only using 900mb, and that's correct
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• 3796[20:48:35] <greycat> What did you do?
• 3797[20:48:46] <edoardo> I restarted nginx
• 3798[20:48:58] <greycat> OK, then /var/log/nginx/ is a good place to start.
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• 3801[20:49:29] <edoardo> Wow, i got a 1.8gb error.log
• 3802[20:49:44] <kingkong|Q> i dont get what it makes exactly. reading cookies or including cookies maybe
• 3803[20:49:52] <edoardo> Well, thanks!
• 3804[20:49:55] <greycat> Stop nginx, tail the log file, see if you can figure out what's wrong.
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• 3807[20:50:07] <hihou> Hi why Contents-amd64.gz is not in binary-amd64 subdirectory ?
• 3808[20:50:13] <greycat> kingkong|Q: "cookies" means random messages.
• 3809[20:50:47] <kingkong|Q> i want a random message on each login shell
• 3810[20:50:50] <greycat> fortune-mod is the program to choose a random message and show it. fortunes, fortunes-min and fortunes-off are packages that just contain the random messages to select from.
• 3811[20:50:59] <greycat> Then put "fortune" in your shell's dot file.
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• 3816[20:53:20] <edoardo> The nginx log is just "[alert] 698#0: epoll_ctl(1, 6) failed (17: File exists)"
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• 3818[20:53:39] <edoardo> Nice, i'll search that
• 3819[20:53:41] <edoardo> Thanks!
• 3820[20:53:44] <Jaga-Jaga> Why do I see a green thick column on the left border of my screen ? replaced-url
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• 3822[20:54:53] <greycat> Jaga-Jaga: is the green column visible in that .png file, or not?
• 3823[20:55:21] <Jaga-Jaga> greycat: Yes
• 3824[20:55:33] <greycat> Well, then I'm at a loss, because I don't see it.
• 3825[20:56:11] <blind> I see a grey column on the far left..
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• 3829[20:57:46] <Jaga-Jaga> greycat: replaced-url
• 3830[20:57:50] <Jaga-Jaga> now u see it?
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• 3833[20:58:34] <greycat> I see white, or possibly light grey.
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• 3836[20:58:58] <Jaga-Jaga> greycat: yes light grey
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• 3840[20:59:11] <Jaga-Jaga> 1cm wide
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• 3842[20:59:56] <greycat> I assumed that is your root window ("desktop"), and your application window is simply not full-screen width.
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• 3844[21:00:27] <Jaga-Jaga> greycat: no i just want it gone from there. i dont now how it got there
• 3845[21:00:27] <greycat> The light grey area does *not* go all the way down to the bottom, so it's not a hardware glithc.
• 3846[21:00:46] <sbeex> good evening. Small question when I run my jenkins and start : gpg-agent it says to me : gpg-agent is not available in this session ... is there a way to automatically start gpg-agent for a user ? (I know it is not directly related to debian but if you have any tips thank you in advance)
• 3847[21:00:55] <greycat> Try moving the application window to the left.
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• 3849[21:01:24] <Jaga-Jaga> greycat: it is stuck there no matter what i do
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• 3851[21:01:51] <edoardo> Jaga-Jaga: check the settings of the window manager, you probably have the dock function activated
• 3852[21:02:05] <edoardo> that reserved a bit of spaces for docks
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• 3862[21:04:45] <Jaga-Jaga> edoardo: greycat . o it worked. its fixed. thanks guys!
• 3863[21:04:52] <edoardo> Yay
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• 3867[21:05:37] <greycat> (The vertical color stripes I get on *mine* go all the way top to bottom and are present during firmware boot, so I assume a hardware glitch in my case. Also the whole machine locks up every few days and has to be power-cycled.)
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• 3872[21:07:02] <Jaga-Jaga> greycat: I see
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• 3875[21:07:41] <okee> I am experiencing a problem in updating my system, and the system hangs after displaying an error, immediately after indicating that i386 Packages are not available. My sources.list is here -->replaced-url
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• 3878[21:08:32] <Jaga-Jaga> greycat: fortunately that wasnt the case on my machine, despite being 8 yrs old
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• 3881[21:09:53] <kingkong|Q> greycat: whats dot file ? /etc/bash.bashrc file?
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• 3891[21:13:08] <greycat> If your shell is bash, then the dot file you want is ~/.bash_profile
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• 3910[21:19:44] <kingkong|Q> greycat: its bash_profile file under root dir ?
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• 3912[21:19:56] <kingkong|Q> i want all users gets it
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• 3914[21:20:09] <jez9999> Hi guys. I'm switching my Linux router from Debian to Mint, and it's mostly working but there is one odd thing. I can no longer connect to my windows VPN. Looking at Wireshark, the connection now fails to get past the PPP LCP "Configuration Request" packet, receiving no response where it did before. Any idea what I might have forgotten to configure on the new Linux box?
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• 3917[21:21:04] <jmcnaught> okee: you probably have a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ that includes a google repo for chrome. You'll need to edit this file, so that between the word "deb" and the "replaced-url
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• 3919[21:21:40] <jmcnaught> okee: or you could remove chrome, remove its sources from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and use the chromium package provided by Debian
• 3920[21:22:15] <greycat> kingkong|Q: then /etc/profile
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• 3922[21:22:51] <TomTomTosch> jez9999, linux mint has their own support channels. you will probably have better luck asking there.
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• 3927[21:24:01] <greycat> the google-chrome i386 thing should not cause a "hang" though. just a warning that can be safely ignored (or worked around as jmcnaught indicated)
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• 3930[21:24:22] <okee> jmcnaught> I don't see anything that is offending in sources.list.d replaced-url
• 3931[21:24:30] <greycat> for the love of god
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• 3935[21:25:43] <kingkong|Q> greycat: its my /etc/profile file replaced-url
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• 3938[21:26:08] <greycat> kingkong|Q: Why the hell would I want to read your /etc/profile? If you want to add fortune to it, add fortune to it.
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• 3940[21:26:25] <TomTomTosch> okee, google-chrome.list does sound a little suspicious if you search for the source of google chrome.
• 3941[21:26:31] <kingkong|Q> greycat: i will add fortune word only in the end of file?
• 3942[21:26:32] <okee> jmcnaught> I am wondering if this might be a problem with the chrome updater? I do not have i386 in my configuration files, but updates for both AMD64 and i386 come up with running update. I do recall that Google removed the i386 from the update, so this leaves me with some questions.
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• 3944[21:27:02] <greycat> dpkg, google-chrome is <reply>On multiarch amd64 systems, edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list and change "deb replaced-url
• 3945[21:27:03] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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• 3947[21:27:16] <hihou> Hi why Contents-amd64.gz is not in binary-amd64 subdirectory ?
• 3948[21:27:21] <Kake_Fisk> I have some problems with permissions and chroot with sftp. I'm making an sftp user that only has access to replaced-url
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• 3950[21:27:23] <greycat> kingkong|Q: if you can't even manage to edit /etc/profile you should not be messing with the startup of other users on your computer
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• 3955[21:29:01] <okee> TomTomTosch> There is no i386 in my configuration files, and I am wondering if something is wrong with the Google updater? replaced-url
• 3956[21:29:13] <greycat> *plonk*
• 3957[21:29:16] <jmcnaught> okee: you have more than just google-chrome.list in that directory. maybe you should contact google support about this, they should probably fix this.
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• 3959[21:29:33] <kingkong|Q> greycat: i added fortune word in there. as user, i got fortune message. when i login as root then says fortune command not found
• 3960[21:29:48] <Guest82194> is there another tool as tcpdump to sniff udp packets if i use tcpdump udp port 8493 -w file.pcap ... the sniffer didnt log it , the udp port did have the packet but the file was empty
• 3961[21:29:51] <greycat> That's to be expected. Root does not have /usr/games in its path. You should not be logging in directly as root anyway.
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• 3963[21:30:38] <greycat> If you want it to work for root too, put /usr/games/fortune instead.
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• 3976[21:34:52] <alez404> hello
• 3977[21:35:01] <Guest82194> hello sweet alez404
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• 3980[21:35:37] <okee> jmcnaught> I have removed the file with .save, and the update problem continues unabated. Apparently the .save file was not the problem. I think something is wrong with the Google updater? More likely than not it is looking for an i386 instruction, though the updater no longer updates i386. I am fairly certain that is the problem.
• 3981[21:35:42] <alez404> i want to be a package maintainer , can somebody helps me and say from where should i start?
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• 3986[21:36:21] <greycat> alez404: #debian-mentors on OFTC (irc.debian.org)
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• 3989[21:37:09] <kingkong|Q> greycat: thanks. thats working. :)
• 3990[21:37:11] <alez404> greycat , thank you man
• 3991[21:37:33] <jmcnaught> okee: how many files are listed by "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list" ? More than one google related file that you need to fix? Also it seems like this file is saying it will get updated automatically, so you'll probably need to keep fixing this if you keep using google's repos.
• 3992[21:37:39] <alez404> and another thing! im in weechat client , how can i mention someone in this client?
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• 3994[21:38:01] <Guest82194> nobody?
• 3995[21:38:30] <l0ll1p0p> alez404: just try to write the nick and u can use tab
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• 3997[21:39:00] <l0ll1p0p> alez404: to fill the rest of the name
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• 3999[21:39:03] <teraflops> He's packaging something?
• 4000[21:39:06] <alez404> l0ll1p0p: oh thanks! it works
• 4001[21:39:13] <richi39n23> is there another tool as tcpdump to sniff udp packets if i use tcpdump udp port 8493 -w file.pcap ... the sniffer didnt log it , the udp port did have the packet but the file was empty
• 4002[21:39:16] <teraflops> Heh
• 4003[21:39:42] <okee> jmcnaught> There is just one file in there replaced-url
• 4004[21:39:59] <teraflops> alez404: weechat? I strongly suggest you to install smartfilter
• 4005[21:40:02] <kingkong|Q> jmcnaught: hello. you helped me before about sysvinit. thanks for your help. i dont remember the nick, there was another guy on that day. thanks him too.
• 4006[21:40:03] <okee> jmcnaught> I have reported the problem to #google channel.
• 4007[21:40:39] <kingkong|Q> jmcnaught: i falled asleep on that day couldnt thank. sorry mate.
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• 4009[21:40:53] <okee> jmcnaught> I am taking a break, and will return in 1.5 hours.
• 4010[21:40:54] <jmcnaught> okee: your earlier paste replaced-url
• 4011[21:41:33] <jmcnaught> kingkong|Q: i don't remember, but happy to have helped :)
• 4012[21:42:11] <teraflops> richi39n23: wireshark?
• 4013[21:42:30] <kingkong|Q> jmcnaught: i had ubuntu upstart pinned -r sysvinit on boot
• 4014[21:42:36] <okee> jmcnaught> I do not find anything in the google-talkplugin.list replaced-url
• 4015[21:42:37] <kingkong|Q> -1
• 4016[21:42:41] <richi39n23> i need an commandline based sniffer for the server
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• 4019[21:43:01] <teraflops> richi39n23: whats wrong with tcpdump?
• 4020[21:43:06] <okee> jmcnaught> This isn't the first time that Google has incorrectly configured its updater.
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• 4022[21:43:27] <jmcnaught> okee: you need that [arch=amd64] bit there too
• 4023[21:43:43] <richi39n23> if i use tcpdump the file is empty but the packets are sended i did controll it with netcat -u -l -k -p 8493
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• 4025[21:44:12] <TomTomTosch> okee, and remove the .save files.
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• 4029[21:44:53] <alez404> teraflops: why should i try that? is there any positive point than weechat?
• 4030[21:44:57] <TomTomTosch> okee, though, that should not be a problem. nvm.
• 4031[21:45:02] <okee> The problem is that it prevents other updates on my computer from taking place. I might want to temporarily deacti
• 4032[21:45:18] <teraflops> richi39n23: and the tcpdump command you issue on the server is ...?
• 4033[21:45:24] <okee> TomTomTosch> The save files were already removed, but it is probably inconsequential, since the system doesn't read them anyway.
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• 4036[21:46:11] <teraflops> alez404: yeah it filter all the join part shit that spams the buffer
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• 4039[21:46:48] <richi39n23> tcpdump udp port 8493 -w file.pcap
• 4040[21:46:55] <alez404> teraflops: nice things , how can i know more about this filter?
• 4041[21:47:44] <teraflops> alez404: google for it I guess. Theres a good oficial weechat guide. Also /script is neat
• 4042[21:48:00] <teraflops> richi39n23: ah.
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• 4045[21:48:30] <alez404> teraflops: thank a lot bro!
• 4046[21:48:31] <okee> jmcnaught> I have added the AMD64 to the google-talkplugin, but the system still hangs. This time it is on the print driver replaced-url
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• 4048[21:48:55] <teraflops> alez404: I really like weechat
• 4049[21:49:06] <okee> I am taking a break, and will return in 1.5 hrs
• 4050[21:49:22] <markybob> okee: it's really kind of insane that you want us to support all these third party repositories
• 4051[21:49:24] <richi39n23> the second try was --> tcpdump -n udp port 8493 -w file3.pcap
• 4052[21:49:25] <jmcnaught> okee: maybe you could use pastebinit when you come back instead of cropped screengrabs?
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• 4054[21:49:28] <markybob> !tell okee about dontbreakdebian
• 4055[21:50:02] <TomTomTosch> and maybe read the answers people give... >.>
• 4056[21:50:08] <markybob> that too
• 4057[21:50:17] <alez404> teraflops: me too , after 2~3 years i found it finally and im glade to use it
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• 4060[21:51:12] <teraflops> alez404: also I find quite easy _theming_ it
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• 4063[21:51:48] <alez404> teraflops: realy? it has theme? OMG! thats so cool
• 4064[21:52:07] <teraflops> alez404: not really themes
• 4065[21:52:21] <teraflops> Just tweak appearance
• 4066[21:52:45] <teraflops> Or themes maybe im not sure about the terminology
• 4067[21:53:06] <richi39n23> any idea ?
• 4068[21:53:10] <alez404> teraflops: ok , now im in solarized dark terminal and everything is good without any tweak
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• 4071[21:54:20] <teraflops> alez404: default appearance is not bad but it can be customized to your liking
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• 4074[21:54:37] <teraflops> Hmm
• 4075[21:55:06] <richi39n23> teraflops: difficult ?
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• 4077[21:55:32] <teraflops> Nope. Theres a lot of examples out there
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• 4082[21:56:33] <alez404> teraflops: do you ever try Irssi? if yes , how is it? any benefits?
• 4083[21:56:54] <richi39n23> yes a lot examples i try much of google ^^
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• 4089[21:59:09] <teraflops> alez404: I used it time ago. I switched because was hard to tweak and some security concerns that are already fixed btw. But the script support for weechat is ok for me
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• 4092[21:59:55] <teraflops> alez404: mine replaced-url
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• 4097[22:00:27] <alez404> teraflops: OMG! i3!!!!
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• 4099[22:00:35] <teraflops> xmnad
• 4100[22:00:39] <teraflops> xmonad*
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• 4102[22:00:49] <richi39n23> my server is a cray x1 is it to fast for sniffing ? :D
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• 4104[22:01:19] <alez404> teraflops: try to send mine too
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• 4109[22:02:46] <teraflops> alez404: by default it look like this I guess replaced-url
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• 4112[22:03:38] <dTal> Hi all. I'm struggling a bit with Google Earth: replaced-url
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• 4116[22:05:10] <teraflops> richi39n23: ah sorry I misread you were referring to the tcpdump issue?
• 4117[22:05:15] <dTal> It would appear that apt, rather than install the missing dependencies for the package built by make-googleearth-package, would rather install a number of apparently unrelated packages. And remove "googleearth". And install one or two of its dependencies.
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• 4121[22:05:43] <alez404> teraflops: after 1000 year i succeed to upload a pic : replaced-url
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• 4123[22:05:50] <teraflops> heh
• 4124[22:06:15] <markybob> ubuntu.
• 4125[22:06:18] <markybob> saw that one coming
• 4126[22:06:38] <teraflops> alez404: yeah looks like mine in the relay, the stock _theme_ or whatever
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• 4129[22:07:59] <dTal> I don't understand. What thing remotely related to Google Earth depends on 'ed'?
• 4130[22:07:59] <richi39n23> teraflops: the tcpdump command with udp syntax isnt work i will receive it in sniffer and later edit for resend it to the server
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• 4137[22:10:08] <TomTomTosch> alez404, do you have debian installed?
• 4138[22:10:13] <alez404> teraflops: but your's is better
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• 4140[22:10:42] <jmcnaught> dTal: you could try investigating with "aptutude why ed"
• 4141[22:10:55] <alez404> TomTomTosch: yeah of course! also i have debian jessie in my server
• 4142[22:11:05] <teraflops> richi39n23: I'm not used to tcpdum but I've googled and I found replaced-url
• 4143[22:11:17] <markybob> alez404: that as an ubuntu screenshot
• 4144[22:11:20] <teraflops> alez404: it's easy to tweak as I said
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• 4146[22:11:36] <richi39n23> teraflops: if you know a better thing as tcpdump i will try this for udp packets ;)
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• 4150[22:12:13] <richi39n23> teraflops: the site is only for tcp packets
• 4151[22:12:13] <teraflops> richi39n23: i guess tcpdump is fine, take a look at the link I sent you
• 4152[22:12:15] <dTal> jmcnaught: that's a useful tip, thanks
• 4153[22:12:17] <alez404> markybob: yes! i have 4 distros in my laptop
• 4154[22:12:26] <dTal> apparently patch recommends ed
• 4155[22:12:33] <alez404> teraflops: try to tweak it asap
• 4156[22:12:40] <teraflops> richi39n23: those are packets ant the end :P
• 4157[22:12:44] <teraflops> at*
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• 4159[22:13:44] <DeaDSouL> is there a good article, shows how to make debian as NAS server ?
• 4160[22:14:42] <jmcnaught> dTal: i've never tried using that googleearth-package package, but for basic APT troubleshooting you could "/msg dpkg bat" for info that would be helpful for troubleshooting. also is your hostname really localhost, or did you edit that for your paste?
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• 4162[22:14:54] <greycat> DeaDSouL: replaced-url
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• 4165[22:16:01] <DeaDSouL> greycat: thanks, but i meant for home, i don't have/need SAN or iSCSI
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• 4167[22:16:08] <dTal> jmcnaught: I sanitised my paste :)
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• 4170[22:16:25] <greycat> Which protocols do you want, then? SMB? NFS? Install those.
• 4171[22:16:30] <DeaDSouL> like setting up samba, nfs, afp the proper way
• 4172[22:16:38] <greycat> apt-get install samba nfs-kernel-server
• 4173[22:16:48] <greycat> I have no idea what afp is.
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• 4177[22:17:24] <ksk> applefoo
• 4178[22:17:43] <dTal> When dpkg (IRC) says "output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem" - does it mean all the wacky dependencies too?
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• 4181[22:18:09] <DeaDSouL> greycat: afp is the Apple File Protocol
• 4182[22:18:19] <ksk> DeaDSouL: osx can use samba shares out of the box, I think you wont need an extra service for your osx clients
• 4183[22:18:33] <DeaDSouL> ksk: but timemachine needs afp
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• 4189[22:19:25] <jmcnaught> dTal: start with the ones you're having trouble with i guess, and if someone helping you needs more info they'll ask
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• 4202[22:22:51] <ctcpme> anyone familiar with git-buildpackage and submodules?
• 4203[22:23:15] <alez404> Mojarch: hi bro!
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• 4211[22:26:45] <Mojarch> alez404: hi!
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• 4215[22:28:06] <alez404> Mojarch: nice to meet you in debian channel!!!
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• 4222[22:28:39] <Mojarch> alez404: thnx! how u doin?
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• 4224[22:29:28] <alez404> Mojarch: nothing , want you tru debian?
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• 4228[22:30:32] <Mojarch> alez404: let me think about it!
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• 4230[22:32:24] <alez404> teraflops: you already have arch? like Mojarch!?
• 4231[22:32:35] <jmcnaught> !ot
• 4232[22:32:35] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 4235[22:33:35] <teraflops> alez404: you mean archlinux? Yeah lets get ontopic
• 4236[22:34:05] <alez404> teraflops: ok ok!
• 4237[22:34:18] <phillw> I folks, I've had a query about throttling on a transmission area on a trainee's VM... However, I cannot join #debian-devel .. the site that *should* be hosed on is replaced-url
• 4238[22:34:40] <phillw> *hosted*
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• 4241[22:35:12] <Mojarch> dpkg: sorry man! will stay on-topic!
• 4242[22:35:12] <dpkg> wish i knew, Mojarch
• 4243[22:35:16] * greycat has no idea what #debian-devel has to do with the rest of that question
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• 4246[22:35:49] <alez404> dpkg: sorry , im so sad to sayed that
• 4247[22:35:49] <dpkg> alez404: are you using Windows?
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• 4250[22:36:11] <alez404> dpkg: no no! windows is worst of all OSs
• 4251[22:36:11] <dpkg> alez404: okay
• 4252[22:36:21] <TomTomTosch> stop poking the bot :P
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• 4256[22:36:28] <greycat> dpkg, forget oh no! windows
• 4257[22:36:29] <dpkg> i didn't have anything called 'oh no! windows' to forget, greycat
• 4258[22:36:35] <greycat> dpkg, forget no no! windows
• 4259[22:36:35] <dpkg> greycat: i didn't have anything called 'no no! windows' to forget
• 4260[22:36:51] <teraflops> TomTomTosch: I guess they didnt notice it is a bit hehe
• 4261[22:36:53] <teraflops> Bot
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• 4263[22:37:27] <greycat> Ah, the first "no" was a keyword, as in "dpkg, no, foo is bar"
• 4264[22:37:37] <greycat> dpkg, forget no! windows
• 4265[22:37:37] <dpkg> greycat: i forgot no! windows
• 4266[22:37:53] <CtrlC> lol
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• 4268[22:38:14] <james555> Hi guys, I just upgraded Jessie and now my virtualbox (I need XP to control my lasercutter!) can't see USB. Any thoughts?
• 4269[22:38:43] <james555> It's a major issue for me - because the lasercutter s/w uses a USB dongle
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• 4271[22:39:06] <armin> oh, jwz himself wants debian to stop shipping xscreensaver?
• 4272[22:39:07] <armin> replaced-url
• 4273[22:39:16] <james555> I've tried upgrading virtualbox via backports...
• 4274[22:39:17] <armin> my apologies, but i actually had to lough hard.
• 4275[22:39:23] <Mojarch> alez404: stop massing with bot bro!
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• 4278[22:39:42] <james555> and I've installed he oracle virtual box extensions
• 4279[22:40:10] <phillw> james555: try KVM
• 4280[22:40:15] <james555> but I can't even see a USB stick - let alone the dongle
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• 4282[22:40:25] <alez404> Mojarch: just for freshing the air of channel i do that
• 4283[22:40:35] <Mojarch> james555: have you tried to install usb extension in Vbox?
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• 4285[22:41:11] <james555> @mojarch I've installed the Oracle Vbox extension..
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• 4288[22:41:32] <greycat> I don't understand how a veteran developer like jwz can honestly expect end users to upgrade software that's only 2 years old.
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• 4293[22:41:56] <greycat> This isn't a fucking web browser. It's... anything else.
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• 4295[22:42:09] <TomTomTosch> doesn't really matter, does it?
• 4296[22:42:12] <Mojarch> james555: check USB is active in settings!
• 4297[22:42:25] <markybob> greycat: he claims security issues. like debian doesn't backport security patches. just ignorance.
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• 4300[22:42:37] <james555> Mojarch yes, it appears to be
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• 4302[22:42:41] <greycat> I did read the bug report yesterday, so I have some background.
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• 4305[22:43:03] <CtrlC> What's with that?
• 4306[22:43:13] <james555> I can select USB 1.1, 2.0 or 3.0
• 4307[22:43:22] <greycat> Maybe web browser development policies have polluted everyone's perceptions?
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• 4313[22:43:57] <james555> and lsusb shows that my laser dongle is present (Phillips Senselock IV)
• 4314[22:44:01] <phillw> james555: just try KVM... not owned my oracle, who managed to 'kill' mysql .... If you do not have it set at kernel level, it should be okay to run side by side.
• 4315[22:44:26] <james555> phillw thanks, I'll try it
• 4316[22:44:28] <phillw> I've had both running on same machine.
• 4317[22:44:42] <james555> well right now vbox is doing nothing for me
• 4318[22:44:47] <james555> :/
• 4319[22:45:03] <phillw> But... they *can* fall out!!!! So, kvm will not break anything :)
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• 4323[22:46:01] <Mojarch> james555: in setting>USB than try to add laser dongle!
• 4324[22:46:05] <phillw> james555: it's broken, what is the worst that can happen?... :D
• 4325[22:46:11] <james555> heheh!
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• 4328[22:47:01] <ZeNEX> Hello guys. I have a problem with my newly installed system. I cannot read Unicode characters like Korean. How do I fix this?
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• 4330[22:47:31] <ZeNEX> I have checked and I have UTF-8 encoding for en_GB.
• 4331[22:47:35] <james555> Okay Mojarch, I tried that - Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0471:485d Philips (or NXP) Senselock SenseIV v2.x
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• 4333[22:48:08] <james555> so manfacturer is 0471, device is 485d?
• 4334[22:48:11] <dontknow> ZeNEX, i guess you need to install korean font package
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• 4336[22:48:20] <TomTomTosch> ZeNEX, try dpkg-reconfigure locales and relog.
• 4337[22:49:11] <Mojarch> james555: seems that way!
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• 4342[22:49:41] <james555> cool. I tried that... but it still didn't work
• 4343[22:49:47] <teraflops> ZeNEX: yeah install moar fonts
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• 4345[22:49:51] <TomTomTosch> ZeNEX, threre is also task-korean-desktop and task-korean-gnome-desktop or task-korean-kde-desktop
• 4346[22:49:58] <greycat> Changing locale is not the correct answer. Installing fonts might be.
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• 4348[22:50:20] <james555> I'm wondering whether there's a UID/GID inconsistency?
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• 4352[22:50:39] <james555> or some new way that Debian deals with USB?
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• 4354[22:50:59] <ZeNEX> Thanks. Installing Korean fonts was the correct way to solving this problem.
• 4355[22:51:16] <james555> I *think* this breakage may have been caused by an aptitude upgrade a few days ago.
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• 4358[22:52:02] <Mojarch> james555: have you installed VirtualBox Guest Additions in XP?
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• 4360[22:52:47] <james555> Mojarch is that the Oracle Package?
• 4361[22:53:15] <teraflops> james555: what about dmesg/logs? Are the vbox modules complaining? Perhaps you need to update those addons or whatever it is named?
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• 4366[22:55:24] <Mojarch> james555: yes! but you need to install it in the gust OS so every thing will work(like VGA/USB/etc)
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• 4368[22:56:18] <james555> ok, looks like I didn't have guest additions. Installing now...
• 4369[22:56:52] <teraflops> if I recall well you still need to install a thing in the guest? a pack?
• 4370[22:57:05] <CtrlC> That's it.
• 4371[22:57:33] <teraflops> whatever, quemu/kvm is fine :P
• 4372[22:57:50] <james555> Mojarch I've installed that now, XP has rebooted, but I still have "No USB devices found"
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• 4375[22:58:21] <james555> previously I could see this dongle no problem
• 4376[23:00:33] <Mojarch> james555: do what teraflops mentioned! that may help! sorry i am out of options!
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• 4380[23:02:12] <james555> Thanks Mojarch! teraflops I'll try looking in dmesg
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• 4390[23:06:23] <SyncYourDogmas> hey I understand dpkg is the lower level tool used by apt, but I've never really understood the distinction between apt and aptitude. both are cli right?
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• 4392[23:06:37] <abrotman> aptitude has a TUI also
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• 4394[23:06:58] <james555> teraflop try this: replaced-url
• 4395[23:07:02] <Tegu> type just "aptitude" and you'll see
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• 4397[23:07:37] <james555> teraflop it looks like the dongle is present and detected (that sequence is me removing it and reinserting it)
• 4398[23:07:49] <Tegu> but hm, is there a difference in CLI usage?
• 4399[23:07:49] <Mojarch> teraflops: I want to have a private chat with you here for off-topic subjects How can I do that?
• 4400[23:08:27] <james555> teraflops try this: replaced-url
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• 4402[23:08:37] <james555> teraflops it looks like the dongle is present and detected (that sequence is me removing it and reinserting it)
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• 4404[23:08:49] <SyncYourDogmas> command not found
• 4405[23:08:59] <SyncYourDogmas> I can probably install it though...
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• 4414[23:11:50] <teraflops> Mojarch: heh ok
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• 4417[23:12:08] <teraflops> Mojarch: /msg teraflops whatever
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• 4422[23:13:44] <teraflops> james555: to be fair I do not use vbox so apart from taking a look to the logs I'm out of ideas
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• 4425[23:14:31] <otroman> Hi! How do I know what spell check utility are applications like Iceweasel and libreoffice using?
• 4426[23:14:35] <james555> teraflops it's killing me! i'e used vbox successfully for years, then one update/upgrade, and whammo!
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• 4429[23:14:56] <greycat> otroman: in Firefox, it's not a utility. It's built into the browser.
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• 4431[23:15:37] <james555> teraflops trouble is, I have £10,000 of laser cutters standing idle until I fix this. :S
• 4432[23:15:56] <teraflops> james555: i recall using the oracle release and installing a kind of extension pack? I wonder if (if you use it) you need to update it as well
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• 4434[23:16:22] <otroman> greycat: do you know if there is a common/standard collection of dictionaries use by graphical applications?
• 4435[23:16:37] <jmcnaught> otroman: "apt-cache depends firefox-esr | grep spell" tells me Depends: libhunspell-1.3-0
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• 4437[23:16:45] <james555> teraflops I *think* I did that... but wait! Then I did a purge (to try to roll back...)
• 4438[23:16:47] <teraflops> james555: yeah, if youre in hurry and out of options I suggest installing libvirt there and exporting the vm image
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• 4440[23:17:25] <james555> teraflops I'll check the oracle site again...
• 4441[23:17:36] <greycat> Ah, my mistake then.
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• 4443[23:18:00] <otroman> jmcnaught: thanks. I'd like to add a personal dictionary but don't know where to start.
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• 4446[23:18:27] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 4451[23:19:52] <otroman> greycat: thanks for the link
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• 4457[23:20:55] <greycat> "Have someone code the dicionary as an extension!" Ye fucking gods. This is what we get from web browser developers.
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• 4461[23:22:31] <markybob> greycat: it's a little less disturbing that google's approach.
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• 4463[23:22:48] <markybob> than*
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• 4465[23:23:23] <jmcnaught> otroman: are you trying to add a custom dictionary with your own secret words, or are you looking to add a dictionary for another language? Many languages have "task-lang" packages available in Debian that will install stuff like spell check dictionaries if they're available
• 4466[23:23:34] <greycat> I'm afraid to ask how google-chrome does it, then.
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• 4468[23:23:48] <markybob> greycat: they call the cloud as you type and check that way
• 4469[23:23:54] <markybob> greycat: they know everything you type
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• 4472[23:25:09] <teraflops> markybob: the same as cortana, and google keyboard
• 4473[23:25:21] <markybob> yeah. and it's fucking insane.
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• 4476[23:25:25] <teraflops> indeed
• 4477[23:25:34] <otroman> jmcnaught: I need a dictionary for Spanish from Colombia (es-CO) and a local jargon which, seems to me, are not available in Debian because some words I write are marked as missplled when they are perfectly fine.
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• 4482[23:27:18] <markybob> teraflops: i think we gave greycat a heart attack :P
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• 4484[23:27:22] <teraflops> lel
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• 4489[23:28:10] <james555> Bah! I already had the Oracle extras installed.
• 4490[23:28:29] <otroman> jmcnaught: I see some aspell-LANG packages in Debian, but I'd like to know what kind of dictionary used by most applications, so that I don't waste my time writing a dictionary just for a particular application.
• 4491[23:28:39] <james555> I'm looking at the vbox now, and it won't even see a USB stick
• 4492[23:28:54] <james555> absolutely nothing
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• 4494[23:29:15] <james555> kvm here I come...
• 4495[23:29:16] * greycat wonders what a "most application" looks like and where it can be found
• 4496[23:29:29] <otroman> The regional language I need is not in aspell thought.
• 4497[23:29:51] <jmcnaught> otroman: best that i can suggest is to check the dependencies for each program you care about
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• 4499[23:30:15] <otroman> jmcnaught: that's a good idea, thanks.
• 4500[23:30:32] <dTal> gdebi gave me the answer: "Dependency is not satisfiable: libcurl3:i386"
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• 4503[23:30:59] <greycat> dTal: what version of Debian are you using?
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• 4505[23:31:17] <james555> teraflops Mojarch phillw thanks for your suggestions! No joy as yet, but gotta go! bye!
• 4506[23:31:17] <dTal> Jessie
• 4507[23:31:24] <dTal> brand new install
• 4508[23:31:26] <teraflops> james555: good luck
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• 4510[23:31:32] <greycat> !tell dTal about multiarch
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• 4512[23:32:05] <dTal> !tell greycat thanks
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• 4535[23:40:30] <okee> Does anyone understand how to fix the error at replaced-url
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• 4539[23:41:34] <SyncYourDogmas> what is debhelper reacting to when she raises or lowers the channel limit, anyone care to explain?
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• 4541[23:41:52] <greycat> number of people in the channel
• 4542[23:41:55] <okee> Should I remove the i386 driver for openprinting.org? and the i386 driver for Mozilla, vound in /var/lib/apt/lists/partials?
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• 4547[23:42:32] <Mojarch> james555: gook luck bro!
• 4548[23:42:37] <SyncYourDogmas> cantt argue with that
• 4549[23:42:51] <jmcnaught> okee: please provide the command you use and the complete output on the debian paste site, not a tiny screengrab
• 4550[23:43:09] <greycat> The goal is to keep the limit just a few above the current number of people, so a few people at a time can join, but an attacker can't have 200 bots all join at once.
• 4551[23:43:13] <okee> jmcnaught> The command line was apt-get update
• 4552[23:43:51] <okee> jmcnaught> The screen output is basically everything in the update. I only included the most recent problem, which appears to prevent the update from completing
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• 4558[23:45:33] <SyncYourDogmas> ah like a buffer
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• 4561[23:45:54] <SyncYourDogmas> those attacks do seem to be unstoppable
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• 4566[23:48:24] <TomTomTosch> okee, why do you need the third-party openprinting repo?
• 4567[23:49:02] <okee> I need this to run my Samsung printer. Samsung doesn't have a functional Linux driver. There has been no problem at all, until the recent update.
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• 4569[23:49:31] <TomTomTosch> i might be wrong but the openprinting-ppds package should do the same.
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• 4573[23:50:50] <markybob> TomTomTosch: i've been wondering when you were a bit delusional the other day and mentioned it was 5am. where are you from?
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• 4577[23:52:19] <TomTomTosch> markybob: berlin, germany ;D
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• 4589[23:54:59] <TomTomTosch> okee, or just check the url for openprinting somewhere in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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• 4594[23:55:28] <okee> TomTomTosch> There is no ULR for openprinting in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
• 4595[23:56:00] <TomTomTosch> *or your sources.list
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• 4601[23:57:59] <TomTomTosch> markybob, i might also have been inhaling fumes from being too long in a club the other day.
• 4602[23:58:41] <markybob> TomTomTosch: heh, no worries :) i was just curious. and i'm jealous. now i'm in texas, usa
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