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16 [00:04:39] <phanes_> hello. does jessie have fglrx?
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20 [00:05:32] <bazhang> ,v fglrx
21 [00:05:33] <judd> No package named 'fglrx' was found in amd64.
22 [00:06:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions fglrx-driver
23 [00:06:16] <judd> Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 1:12-3-1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u2; jessie-backports/non-free: 1:15.12-2~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 1:15.12-2
24 [00:06:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, fglrx
25 [00:06:34] <dpkg> fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units. To install fglrx, see replaced-url
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29 [00:07:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> phanes_, ^^^
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43 [00:09:53] <transhuman_> hi! I am trying to setup AWESOME windows manager and Xorg its wierd but what I have created in .xinitrc is being replaced by a bunch of XML code and the first line reads CANNOT OPEN !DOCTYPE: no such file what the heck is all that about? Is this a bug ? Never seen it before!
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47 [00:10:25] <phanes_> i dont want and wont use the radeon driver because it is subpar for any imaginable use besides flagshipping open source initiatives in magazine articles, so is it that it has issues in gnome but its available, so radeonhd is suggested, or is it that we haven't gotten fglrx working yet with other DE's in jessie?
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79 [00:12:55] <phanes_> also, lol@gnome. i suspect only distro maintainers still use it.
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89 [00:14:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> gnome is the default DE so probably a fair amount of people use it
90 [00:14:57] <phanes_> i always chuckle when i see people in training still using it
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94 [00:15:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> and I don't know if *you* can understand the 5-line sentence you said before that, I can't
95 [00:15:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> why? can't everyone use what they want?
96 [00:15:59] <phanes_> long story short, radeonhd is a great initiative, its that message in a bottle in the ocean floating to F/OSS initiative success, but its a subpar driver still and i need fglrx
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98 [00:16:24] <phanes_> it is why i am shopping distros currently, was looking at debian
99 [00:16:35] <phanes_> also looking at ubuntu, but theyve got networking/routing issues
100 [00:17:24] <CutMeOwnThroat> transhuman_, if you use gdm3 or somesuch for login, you can just choose what WM/DE is started
101 [00:17:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> last time I heard radeon became pretty good
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103 [00:19:07] <meseira> teraflops: ok, thx for the tests
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105 [00:19:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> but anyway, yes, there is fglrx and you could have seen that here: replaced-url
106 [00:19:33] <meseira> teraflops: i don't know what is going wrong with my mail server...
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110 [00:20:13] <phanes_> CutMeOwnThroat: no thats what i mean, they're misrepresenting the project in the announcements, it is still not a very usable driver except for showcasing if you have to actually use the machine for anything, even simple things like browsing the web
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113 [00:20:57] <phanes_> ive been using it for the last 2 months when support died for it for fedora
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115 [00:21:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> I don't care. and I heard it here from people who have to use it.
116 [00:21:06] <teraflops> meseira: I do sasl in my postfix perhaps youre missing somethint in the ~/.msmtp config file that suits your postfix config
117 [00:21:07] <phanes_> and i am so tired of it that im changing distros
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121 [00:22:00] <phanes_> heh. well, i cant beat your religion with my reality, i really was just inquiring if fglrx was available. i dont use gnome.
122 [00:22:03] <teraflops> thing*
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124 [00:23:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> and I answered you. you can skip any comments about religion, you seem to have an agenda, I don't CARE if radeon is good or not, but I may just trust other people's opionion that I know more than 1 minute more than yours
125 [00:24:04] <meseira> teraflops: i do sasl too
126 [00:24:17] <teraflops> meseira: here replaced-url
127 [00:24:18] <meseira> teraflops: i don't see what i am doing wrong
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129 [00:25:24] <CutMeOwnThroat> I'll care if it's good enough for me or not when I have an ati card, which I don't
130 [00:25:31] <teraflops> meseira: I dont see a single warning neither on the smstp nor the postfix
131 [00:25:52] <meseira> teraflops: i just tried to configure msmtp to send mail with my gmail account and it works... but the recipient server (not mine, a working one) reject the mail
132 [00:26:11] <jmcnaught> phanes_: i played some first person shooters at 1080p using the radeon driver in wheezy, i wouldn't discount it right away. also it'll integrate better with the rest of your linux distro
133 [00:26:12] <teraflops> meseira: hmm
134 [00:26:42] <meseira> teraflops: i think that i will just forget these light mail senders, it could be nice but too cryptic to me :-(
135 [00:26:46] <phanes_> i wont use it anymore or justify fglrx, it justifies itself
136 [00:26:53] <phanes_> is it available?
137 [00:27:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> I fucking told you twice now
138 [00:27:27] <teraflops> meseira: heh I told you hours ago that I'm fine doing postfix in relay mode :p
139 [00:27:39] <meseira> thx for spending time on my problem, i am going to think about all this stuff during the night ;-)
140 [00:27:44] <phanes_> doh. it is. sorry about that, small screen. im in emergency mode.
141 [00:27:53] <meseira> teraflops:yeah and you were definitely right :-)
142 [00:27:54] <teraflops> meseira: nah np
143 [00:28:07] <meseira> teraflops:gn
144 [00:28:15] <teraflops> gn there too
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161 [00:33:33] <IAT> hi
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163 [00:33:52] <IAT> how do i get kali linux's tools in debian 8?
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166 [00:36:36] <teraflops> IAT: install it in a VM?
167 [00:36:56] <IAT> I have my lappy with me, no need for vm!
168 [00:37:26] <nebg> hello everyone... does anybody know if it's possible and good to do to create man pages for personal documentation ? for example my summaries ? and if there is something that automates it ? i mean something that let me define sections etc...
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170 [00:38:19] <lukey> nebg, better use an wiki
171 [00:38:28] <nebg> lukey, ok like ?
172 [00:40:15] <teraflops> IAT: then install from debian repos all the available tools, and grab the rest from their respective sources and patch/compile/install them, also maybe you need a more up to date kernel than the stock kernel from jessie
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187 [00:45:16] <lukey> nebg, i dunno. I would go for this one: replaced-url
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274 [01:23:14] <MrFrood> nebg: man pages can created using groff - as far as automation goes... isn't that what shell scripting was invented for?
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290 [01:29:12] <markybob> is there any kind of image recognition software for debian? i have many tens of thousands of images from weddings (wife is a photographer) and it'd be nice to be able to search for a face and find it
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293 [01:30:00] <Guest78521> Hello, jmcnaught, TomTomTosch! I return from the other day
294 [01:30:20] <Guest78521> I upgraded to stretch, and that fixed the wifi issue
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298 [01:30:56] <Guest78521> but now I'm getting CPU soft lockup errors and things just randomly crash
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301 [01:31:28] <markybob> Guest78521: random crashes happen in testing. it's testing. btw, testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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304 [01:32:34] <Guest78521> But googling around, it seems this is a common issue, not just on testing, with Skylake processors (or maybe certain nvidia graphics cards?)
305 [01:32:45] <Guest78521> I haven't found a solution anywhere though
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308 [01:33:37] <markybob> Guest78521: for skylake you really need 4.5. but you're still in the wrong place
309 [01:33:58] <Guest78521> Alright. Well, thank you!
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314 [01:35:03] <markybob> Guest78521: seriously though...compile 4.5. should fix your problem
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328 [01:39:36] <slact> hi, i'm the author of an nginx module included in the nginx-extras package. I've made a lot of updates to it, including security fixes and new features, and i've contacted the maintainer of the nginx package via email about it over a month ago. however, i haven't received a response. what should i do?
329 [01:39:55] <slact> (the module in question is the nginx http push module, known today as nchan)
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332 [01:41:22] <markybob> slact: hrm. i'd probably try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
333 [01:41:31] <markybob> i don't know
334 [01:41:34] <slact> will do, thanks
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347 [01:47:39] <Guest78521> markybob: Alright, thank you! I'm just grabbing the ubuntu 4.5 kernel from here replaced-url
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350 [01:48:07] <markybob> !tell Guest78521 about dontbreakdebian
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353 [01:48:49] <markybob> i mean just the kernel will probably be fine. i don't know. i don't touch ubuntu stuff
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431 [02:21:30] <awal1> Sometimes apt retains/hold some packages because of unsatisfied dependencies and it doesn't tell why, neither aptitude why-not, I only can check why executing "aptitude full-upgrade". Any clue on how to make apt, the package manager I usually use, to show why X package is automatically held back (retained)?
432 [02:21:46] <awal1> retain/hold automatically ^
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471 [02:43:23] <nebg> hello everyone, is there a way to have installed multiple desktop environments but keep separate configuration files ?becaus my theme gets overwritten everytime i switch Desktop environment... any idea ?
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491 [02:55:27] <awal1> nebg, which DE exactly? Usually only kde overwrites other DE theming. At least, thats my experience
492 [02:56:13] <awal1> That also happens if you use lxappearance
493 [02:56:33] <nebg> awal1, ok any idea on how to prevent it ?
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495 [02:57:35] <nebg> awal1, i don't want kde to overwrite configuration is there a way ?
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499 [03:00:12] <awal1> nebg, 'kde-config-gtk-style' helps a bit, but I haven't found a magic solution
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533 [03:11:13] <awal1> nebg, I hope you will find a solution, which thing I wasn't able to achive... I ended up not mixing kde with other DE if I want to have each DE with it own theme...
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564 [03:26:22] <awal1> nebg, a workaround, tedious workaround, is deleting the .gtkrc file in your home dir
565 [03:27:25] <awal1> but it only works for a single login; you must repeat the process continuously...
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567 [03:28:54] <themill> wouldn't you just configure kde to not change gtk settings?
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569 [03:29:34] <awal1> the problem is how...
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571 [03:29:58] <themill> Well kde-config-gtk-style is the opposite of what you want
572 [03:31:26] <awal1> yes, but at least it makes xfce, gnome... use their gtk icons
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574 [03:31:59] <awal1> thats why I said it only helps a bit
575 [03:33:33] <awal1> one thing kde-config-gtk-style lis that it lets you choose which icon themes to use for gtk apps
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578 [03:35:23] <awal1> so if you chose adwaita icon theme or tango, under xfce, gnome, lxde ... you will get adwaita or tango icons
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580 [03:36:22] <awal1> kde will also use the chosen icon theme for gtk applications when in kde session
581 [03:36:27] <awal1> thats all
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604 [03:45:31] <likevinyl> replaced-url
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606 [03:46:24] <polyzen> o_o
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638 [04:09:12] <deego> hm, xscreensaver in stable complains about being "very old. please upgrade."
639 [04:09:48] <markybob> deego: known. don't worry about it. replaced-url
640 [04:09:50] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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643 [04:11:01] <deego> markybob: thanks
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649 [04:15:12] <pjp_> Hi, does anyone have pointers on how to create a standalone jessie usb stick with a preseed file?
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653 [04:16:35] <pjp_> I got tons of info on how to specify the file and what to put in it but not how to create say a full usb stick with at least the first DVD on it
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656 [04:17:24] <pjp_> ideally i'd like to specify the boot options as well
657 [04:17:34] <pjp_> once i pop in the usb stick
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659 [04:17:38] <pjp_> and boot from it
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678 [04:27:55] <daica> hi guys
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680 [04:28:03] <daica> can someone help me :)
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688 [04:29:43] <daica> there is a file in my usb external drive that I could not open and test.temp
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692 [04:30:03] <daica> this caused my drive unable to view the content and I couldn't remove it. can someone give me a hint?
693 [04:30:15] <daica> it says input/output error when i tried to remove it
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700 [04:31:55] <pjp_> daica: is there anything using it?
701 [04:32:03] <daica> nope
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703 [04:34:15] <cherry_l1n> does anyone have unused AGP video cards
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705 [04:34:29] <cherry_l1n> how about GFXcardcrossing by mail
706 [04:34:30] <cherry_l1n> lol
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712 [04:41:51] <transhuman_> hi can anyone tell me what would be at fault if xdm shows only the field for user name (no password field shown and fails to launch xfce4, however xfce4 launches with the command startx, and the last line of the log says seems to indicate that it may have passed off to xfce4 but doesnt actually name xfce4
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715 [04:43:21] <markybob> transhuman_: i don't use xdm but most xfce users use lightdm and it works well for me here on jessie
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727 [04:48:52] <edju> Trouble upgrading. sources.list had the mirror at uchicago,edu which was fine until a couple days ago - now not been able to connect. So I switched to httpredir.debian.org and received a "Failed to fetch" error for jessie-updates - "Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file". I don't think sources.list is malformed - deb replaced-url
728 [04:48:52] <edju> Anyone with a hint at what's happening here?
729 [04:48:59] <transhuman_> ok I will try that instead thanks cause gdm and kdm have a ridiculous sized footprint
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731 [04:49:32] <markybob> !httpredir
732 [04:49:32] <dpkg> To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb replaced-url
733 [04:50:12] <markybob> hrm. i thought greycat had put something in there about it causing people problems
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735 [04:52:58] <awal1> transhuman_, just let you know that xfce should be started with 'startxfce4' not with xfce4-session. check if xdm has a wrong configurations about that
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737 [04:58:16] <awal1> edju, I had troubles today with debian mirrors (stretch/sid) but after a couple of hours all became fine again; sounds like mirrors/repositories temporary troubles
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746 [05:07:45] <themill> edju: it's non-free not nonfree
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750 [05:09:27] <markybob> themill: oh good catch.
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758 [05:11:39] <edju> themill, Yes, of course. I must have looked at that 100 times, and never caught it. Thanks for your good eyesight.
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802 [05:38:06] <awal1> themill, +1
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908 [06:37:45] <Guest23962> Ever since upgrading to 8.4 today, my computer has crashed four times for no apparent reason. Screen goes blank though the mouse pointer is still visible, and I have to do a hard restart.
909 [06:38:15] <Guest23962> Anyone else seeing similar behavior? Any ideas on what to do?
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913 [06:40:43] <Rusty1_> Guest23962: what is the cpu? and the kernel?
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917 [06:41:57] <Guest23962> Kernel 3.16.4, I think.
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919 [06:42:29] <Rusty1_> uname -r in a termial to see
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923 [06:42:57] <Guest23962> CPU AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+. It's an old machine.
924 [06:43:35] <Guest23962> Oops, 3.16.0-4-amd64
925 [06:43:36] <Rusty1_> ok, not a j1900 intel , cant help oyerwise
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930 [06:43:50] <Rusty1_> *otherwise
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950 [06:59:29] <jmcnaught> Guest23962: have you looked in your logs for errors? try checking your syslog for the period right before the crash, you can put errors on replaced-url
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952 [07:01:00] <jmcnaught> Guest23962: you might also consider enabling persistent journald with the instructions in /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian, journalctl can be easier to use than grepping syslog
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956 [07:03:08] <Guest23962> I'll look up the syslog and the persistent journald.
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959 [07:03:30] <Guest23962> I'm trying to remember many things that I've forgotten because the system used to run so well. :-/
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974 [07:09:59] <jmcnaught> Guest23962: instead of hard reset you could try going to a virtual console with Ctrl+Alt+F1 or F2, it might be enough to restart your display manager from there with something like "systemctl restart gdm" for example.
975 [07:10:43] <jmcnaught> Guest23962: or using this: replaced-url
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986 [07:20:06] <Guest23962> Back again. I'll try a virtual console if there is a next time. For now, I've found some " Application may misbehave." messages just before the crash. They're KDE related.
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991 [07:23:29] <Guest23962> It looks kind of ugly in paste.debian.net
992 [07:23:51] <Guest23962> replaced-url
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994 [07:27:23] <jmcnaught> Guest23962: those look more like warnings than errors, but if you keep seeing them right before a crash they could be related. did you find anything when you searched the web for them? checking the debian bug tracker for those programs might be helpful too
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998 [07:30:54] <Guest23962> JM, those were the very last messages before the latest crash. I'm currently running from a live USB image. I'm still looking though the messages.
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1000 [07:33:30] <Guest23962> Those four messages seem to precede every crash.
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1022 [07:49:50] <asarch> I did: apt-get -y remove foo, how could "purge" its configutations?
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1026 [07:52:36] <awal1> "apt-get --purge autoremove asarch"
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1028 [07:53:33] <asarch> There is a bug for the virtualenvwrapper package, it doesn't delete the Bash completion: /usr/share/virtualenvwrapper/virtualenvwrapper_lazy.sh: No such file or directory
1029 [07:53:38] <asarch> Thank you awal1
1030 [07:53:42] <asarch> Thank you very much :-)
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1032 [07:54:06] <awal1> asarch, excuses, it wasnt for you
1033 [07:54:15] <asarch> D'oh!
1034 [07:54:25] <asarch> Ok, thank you anyway :-P
1035 [07:54:25] <awal1> asarch, next time rirectly run apt-get purge foo
1036 [07:54:50] <asarch> But what if I already delete the package?
1037 [07:55:03] <asarch> s/delete/uninstall/
1038 [07:55:05] <awal1> same
1039 [07:55:23] <awal1> run again apt-get purge foo
1040 [07:55:38] <asarch> Ok
1041 [07:55:42] <asarch> Wow! Thank you!
1042 [07:55:46] <asarch> It worked
1043 [07:55:49] <asarch> Thank you very much :-)
1044 [07:56:01] <awal1> foo is removed yet that will purge foo files
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1046 [07:56:58] <asarch> Ok
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1048 [07:57:37] <awal1> remove unnecessary packages installed by foo with autoremove or purge them too using apt-get "--purge autoremve foo"
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1050 [07:58:18] <awal1> or "aptitude purge ~c"
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1052 [08:00:06] <awal1> asarch, excuses again, a bit sleepy here, I mean purge unnecessary packages installed by foo with " apt-get --purge autoremove"
1053 [08:00:34] <asarch> Ok
1054 [08:00:35] <asarch> :-)
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1066 [08:11:42] * ecemm sex video replaced-url
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1199 [09:50:37] <__marco> Good morning. I have a question about the wifi configuration. I am using ifupdown and wpa_supplicant and everything works good
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1201 [09:51:52] <__marco> But now suppose that the laptop connects to a network A and I move to a zone where there is a network B. Both are correctly configured.
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1205 [09:52:47] <__marco> Does the laptop start to use the second network?
1206 [09:53:39] <dutchfish> __marco, not when the wifi B network is being setup as a known network, you have to apply its credentials
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1208 [09:54:15] <nitzs> has anyone used google dns over https?
1209 [09:54:21] <dutchfish> __marco, are net A and B connected to the same firewall?
1210 [09:54:30] <__marco> dutchfish: Should I stop the netword (wpa_action wlan0 stop) and up again?
1211 [09:54:35] <__marco> dutchfish: no
1212 [09:54:49] <__marco> s/netword/network/
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1215 [09:55:18] <dutchfish> __marco, you dont need a restart when your networkmanager is setup for both networks
1216 [09:55:58] <__marco> dutchfish: I am sorry, then I did not understand your first statement
1217 [09:56:02] <dutchfish> __marco, iow has the credentails stored for both SID's
1218 [09:57:02] <__marco> I am sorry, I still don't understand what you mean
1219 [09:57:41] <dutchfish> __marco, in the networkmanager you can configure to automatically connect to both wifi net's, depending on the one available.
1220 [09:59:52] <__marco> dutchfish: I am not using networkmanager, but suppose I do. The computer connects both to A or B, both networks are configured. But *after* that I connected to network A, if I move to network B, does networkmanager connect automatically to network B?
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1222 [10:00:10] <dutchfish> __marco, its all in here replaced-url
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1224 [10:00:34] <dutchfish> __marco, yes, i fconfigured properly
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1227 [10:00:41] <dutchfish> __marco, yes, if configured properly
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1232 [10:01:18] <__marco> dutchfish: the computer is an intel edison and I can configure it only once. It don't have a display.
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1235 [10:02:07] <dutchfish> __marco, you can configure it as any headless box, i suppose
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1237 [10:03:41] <__marco> dutchfish: yes, but someone reported me that, once the computer connected to network A, it does not connect to network B and the reverse
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1240 [10:04:36] <dutchfish> __marco, no idea, for your hardware, but i did simular on raspberry pi's and laptops running Debian, that was not a problem
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1242 [10:05:18] <dutchfish> __marco, you can even do roaming over wifi
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1245 [10:05:37] <dutchfish> __marco, if your hardware supports that
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1248 [10:06:45] <__marco> dutchfish: the two networks do not necessary overlap
1249 [10:06:49] <dutchfish> __marco, sometimes, hardware doesnt follow state, you could write your own, but pinging a known ip and restart your wifi when it is unreachable or something
1250 [10:07:16] <dutchfish> __marco, no, i got that
1251 [10:07:34] <__marco> yes, a cron script is my last resource
1252 [10:08:06] <dutchfish> __marco, you have the ask the the guys form that board
1253 [10:08:26] <moonwolf1> i have read that Firefox will return to Debian is that true?
1254 [10:08:35] <__marco> dutchfish: I will, thanks
1255 [10:08:39] <dutchfish> yw
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1257 [10:08:52] <__marco> moonwolf1: yes
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1259 [10:09:56] <moonwolf1> does it work to install it now?
1260 [10:10:08] <__marco> moonwolf1: I am using it now
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1262 [10:10:35] <moonwolf1> where can i find it? is it in the backports repo?
1263 [10:10:40] <__marco> mozilla.debian.net repositories
1264 [10:10:51] <__marco> deb replaced-url
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1272 [10:16:48] <moonwolf1> thanks, finally firefox again
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1296 [10:40:50] <dutchfish> Nik05, skip the mister ;)
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1309 [10:47:14] <veek> help aid assist - dist-upgrade does nothing so my distro is uptodate BUT my version is 8.3
1310 [10:47:23] <veek> how can this bee?
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1312 [10:47:39] <veek> 8.4 is out etc
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1316 [10:47:47] <dutchfish> veek, have you actually done aptitude update before that?
1317 [10:47:54] <veek> oh oops
1318 [10:48:08] <veek> sorry forgot
1319 [10:48:13] <dutchfish> np
1320 [10:50:35] <dutchfish> veek, actually the complete sequence i use is `aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade`, just in case some dependecies need this when a new point-upgrade arrives
1321 [10:51:22] <veek> dutchfish, ah i use apt mostly
1322 [10:51:36] <dutchfish> veek, sure apt-get will do fine for this one
1323 [10:51:40] <veek> so apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
1324 [10:51:54] <dutchfish> veek, yes, fair enough
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1369 [11:22:03] <cisc0> hello
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1376 [11:25:28] * arahael installs windows xp just to play simcity.
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1394 [11:31:50] <Hachya> hello
1395 [11:32:03] <Hachya> arahael: ouch
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1398 [11:32:37] <arahael> Hachya: Strangely, I'm more comfortable with the windows bit. It's the Oracle bit that's the ouch.
1399 [11:32:44] <arahael> Using VirtualBox.
1400 [11:33:10] <Hachya> Hah, vbox is fine, it's not like "Oracle oracle"
1401 [11:33:24] <Hachya> 11G, etc
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1403 [11:34:24] <arahael> Hachya: Until they copyright the *api* again.
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1415 [11:38:55] <edoardo> Hello! I'm having some issues with DNSes on debian
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1417 [11:39:20] <edoardo> I can't seem to be able to flush the cache, so a domain i bought yesterday keeps showing the parking page
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1420 [11:40:01] <edoardo> The dns server on my router is ok, since my phone can reach the website just fine. However debian keeps getting the old ip even if i'm using "ping"
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1441 [11:51:15] <petemc> edoardo: there isnt any cache by default
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1443 [11:51:38] <edoardo> petemc: Solved it. I set a dns server who cached the request
1444 [11:52:02] <petemc> cool
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1509 [12:28:22] <epicCane> Witch DE use the least amount of ram?
1510 [12:28:52] <arahael> epicCane: Not really a good question, unless you want to do a huge amount of investigation.
1511 [12:29:28] <arahael> epicCane: The minimalist WM's use a tiny, tiny, tiny amount of RAM. You could combine one with say, Rox Filer to get a "desktop" that uses a minimal amount of RAM.
1512 [12:29:34] <epicCane> I have 2gb of ram and don't witch de to use
1513 [12:30:06] <arahael> Ah, well, actually most will be fine with that. I'd probably suggest XFCE4, or something, but there are a few good newer lightweight ones around.
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1516 [12:30:33] <epicCane> I herd mate was good choice
1517 [12:30:55] <epicCane> Normally I would just download each one but I have slow internet
1518 [12:31:13] <digdilem> xfce4 is relatively lightweight and easy to use. it's a good recommendation
1519 [12:31:26] <RoyK^Heime> LXDE is lightweight
1520 [12:31:36] <arahael> LXDE was the other one I was trying to recall.
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1522 [12:31:40] <RoyK^Heime> I use that with some rpis with jessie
1523 [12:31:54] <Se7en> For some reason adding an entry to /etc/modules isn't working
1524 [12:32:11] <Se7en> What am I doing wrong. Am I missing something? Do I have to restart Systemd or something
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1526 [12:32:35] <RoyK^Heime> Se7en: iirc it's just read during reboot - modprobe the mod
1527 [12:32:36] <jelly> Se7en: did you reboot
1528 [12:32:43] <Se7en> Yes
1529 [12:32:54] <Se7en> I rebooted to test it, I still needed to run modprobe after logging in
1530 [12:33:06] <jelly> Se7en: which module did you add, and does it exist with the kernel you've booted
1531 [12:33:19] <Se7en> It is a driver
1532 [12:33:31] <Se7en> b43
1533 [12:33:32] <Se7en> ecryptfs
1534 [12:33:37] <Se7en> Are the only things in the file
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1536 [12:34:26] <Se7en> I put them in that order
1537 [12:34:58] <jelly> the order does not matter, it ought to work I guess as long as you have the firmware for that b43 thing in place
1538 [12:35:19] <jelly> and the fact it works with modprobe means it's there
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1542 [12:36:42] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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1544 [12:37:19] <Se7en> I know it works. Running the modprobe makes it work. It just isn't starting at boot
1545 [12:37:31] <ychaouche> How does EOL work ? when will the EOL of current release be known ? I can't find it on replaced-url
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1548 [12:39:47] <epsilon> EOL = End of regular security support (without LTS)
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1550 [12:40:05] <arahael> And if you're microsoft: EOL = "Removal of all downloads". </bitter>
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1552 [12:40:27] <epsilon> EOL is usualy a year after the next version has been released
1553 [12:40:53] <jelly> Se7en: pastebin the output of "systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service"
1554 [12:41:04] <Se7en> ok
1555 [12:41:13] <Se7en> As root?
1556 [12:41:49] <jelly> dunno, wfm even as normal user
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1563 [12:44:26] <Se7en> replaced-url
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1565 [12:45:24] <Se7en> jelly,
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1568 [12:47:49] <jelly> Se7en: no mention of b43 at all, what about, dunno, dmesg|grep -A5 -B5 b43
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1570 [12:48:49] <Se7en> replaced-url
1571 [12:48:50] <jelly> Se7en: and your /etc/modules and output of "ls -la /*/modules-load.d/*.conf" too
1572 [12:49:12] <Se7en> It has a number of messages on b43
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1576 [12:50:16] <Se7en> replaced-url
1577 [12:50:30] <jelly> at two minutes after boot, that's probably your manual modprobe
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1579 [12:50:59] <Se7en> replaced-url
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1595 [12:59:37] <Se7en> jelly, what do you think
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1599 [13:04:27] <Se7en> jelly? Still there? I'm going to go to sleep soon
1600 [13:04:31] <Se7en> It is nighttime
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1602 [13:05:07] <epicCane> sleep is for the weak
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1611 [13:13:15] <Se7en> jelly,
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1627 [13:18:57] <jelly> Se7en: dunno, stuff looks fine except I couldn't read replaced-url
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1632 [13:20:15] <Se7en> it expired
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1634 [13:20:24] <Se7en> I set it to 10 minutes
1635 [13:21:30] <Se7en> I'll come back tomorrow
1636 [13:21:32] <Se7en> too tired
1637 [13:22:21] <jelly> g' night
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1649 [13:30:22] <zmitya> hi guys
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1651 [13:30:45] <zmitya> wherte is the documentation for Jessie about where to put a custom systemd service file ?
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1653 [13:30:53] <zmitya> which manpage contsins it ?
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1655 [13:31:06] <zmitya> *contains
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1662 [13:36:49] <zmitya> just found it: pkg-config systemd --variable=systemduserunitdir
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1691 [14:03:00] <debtest8> hello, was wondering about a thing
1692 [14:03:06] <debtest8> what alternative i can use to ntop
1693 [14:03:21] <debtest8> my main goal is record the traffic usage during the month and so on
1694 [14:03:40] <debtest8> i saw cacti, it seems nice with the common old style mrtg graphs but is complex to setup?
1695 [14:03:55] <abrotman> what's wrong with ntop ?>
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1697 [14:04:47] <debtest8> abrotman: i don't really like it's interface
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1701 [14:05:58] <abrotman> there's ntopng also
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1704 [14:08:22] <paxcoder> I'm trying to netinstall testing from a stick, but regardless of the mirror I choose, it fails on the step "Select and install programs". Can I debug this, or do you have an idea of what could be causing this?
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1708 [14:10:06] <paxcoder> I think I've had this problem foraybe a year and a half now. By the way the iso checksum before dding was good.
1709 [14:10:20] <markybob> paxcoder: known error. use stable netinst and then dist-upgrade
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1713 [14:11:28] <paxcoder> markybob: oh? i didn't know. what is the problem?
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1719 [14:13:49] <paxcoder> The prob is with the installer I assume? I cant just hack the sources, can I?
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1722 [14:14:13] <markybob> paxcoder: it's the alpha installer.
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1725 [14:15:24] <paxcoder> How come the problem persists for so long? Is it predicated on something specific?
1726 [14:15:57] <markybob> paxcoder: i'm not sure. i just see people in here every day complaining about it. it's alpha. it's not supposed to work all the time :P
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1734 [14:18:23] <paxcoder> It's annoying that it persist and there's no real warning about it. Lucky for me that you knew about it, thanks.
1735 [14:18:53] <paxcoder> Will download stable on a different machine then I suppose
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1747 [14:25:09] <Walakea> how do i update libre office on a stable system to the backported version without breaking the system?
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1750 [14:25:53] <markybob> Walakea: replaced-url
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1755 [14:30:54] <Walakea> in synaptic, when i force backported version on package libreoffice it breaks the dependecies
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1759 [14:32:07] <moonwolf1> when i log in it comes up some thing like "this version of xscreensaver is very old please upgrade" message, is there a way to make this message go away?
1760 [14:32:12] <abrotman> maybe stop trying to use synaptic and do it the right way?
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1762 [14:33:45] <abrotman> moonwolf1: didn't you ask about this yesterday?
1763 [14:33:51] <moonwolf1> no
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1767 [14:34:19] <abrotman> replaced-url
1768 [14:34:21] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1779 [14:39:39] <Walakea> so i can just sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install libreoffice even if i already have stable package, will it work?
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1785 [14:40:45] <lesley> Any way to reliably install NVidia drivers as it is in Ubuntu, that is, without breaking graphics entirely?
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1787 [14:40:53] <lesley> (unless the 8.3 installer provides the option)
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1790 [14:41:51] <dvs> lesley, you mean 8.4?
1791 [14:42:18] <lesley> wat fuk
1792 [14:42:24] <lesley> it isn't here replaced-url
1793 [14:42:32] <lesley> sid?
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1795 [14:42:57] <Walakea> when did Debian become 8.4?
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1797 [14:43:01] <lesley> exactly
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1799 [14:43:16] <Walakea> yesterday?
1800 [14:43:16] <markybob> yesterday
1801 [14:43:20] <lesley> also, is there a live sid install? I like to be on the splintered edge...
1802 [14:43:27] <markybob> no
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1805 [14:43:41] <markybob> !nvidia
1806 [14:43:41] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
1807 [14:43:43] <lesley> is upgrading to sid a supported ritual?
1808 [14:43:51] <markybob> lesley: no
1809 [14:43:56] <[zz]> hi, I get this weird error when trying to install python (2.7) by doing sudo aptitude install python
1810 [14:43:57] <[zz]> replaced-url
1811 [14:43:58] <lesley> humbug!
1812 [14:44:00] <markybob> lesley: you really need to read the /topic it seems
1813 [14:44:09] <lesley> oh
1814 [14:44:16] <lesley> invite only
1815 [14:44:27] <dvs> lesley, on OFTC
1816 [14:44:28] <markybob> lesley: it's on oftc. not freenode
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1818 [14:44:41] <markybob> you really shouldn't touch sid if you can't read that
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1820 [14:44:57] <lesley> well ima do it anyway
1821 [14:44:59] <lesley> :D
1822 [14:45:07] <lesley> thank you, i must be off now
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1824 [14:46:59] <dvs> see ya again soon
1825 [14:47:11] <[zz]> anyone around to help?
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1830 [14:49:11] <moonwolf1> seems to be a annoying bug... also an article about it on distrowatch: replaced-url
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1833 [14:50:12] <markybob> moonwolf1: it's stupid. there's a patch if you read the bug report. apply it. or use light-locker instead
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1835 [14:50:25] <[zz]> anyone?
1836 [14:50:27] <[zz]> ugh
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1838 [14:50:59] <bumbar> i'm using jessie and would like to install g++5, which seems is only available in strech and sid, will it break anything?
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1840 [14:51:05] <moonwolf1> yeah no need for distrowatch to write about it...
1841 [14:51:34] <cwood> bumbar: you just brought this page to mind. ;) replaced-url
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1843 [14:51:46] <moonwolf1> have already read the bug report btw
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1846 [14:52:47] <themill> [zz]: what's the output of "apt-cache policy python2.7 libpython2.7-minimal; apt-cache policy"
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1849 [14:54:33] <[zz]> themill, replaced-url
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1851 [14:54:41] <bumbar> cwood, is there no other way than breaking it, or moving to testing branch?
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1854 [14:55:30] <ychaouche> ok thanks epsilon
1855 [14:55:35] <cwood> You would likely be fine just installing the lib and compiler, by my experience. Assuming it even installs without replacing other components. But if you see a conflict it's time to back off.
1856 [14:55:38] <themill> [zz]: what does "aptitude reinstall libpython2.7-minimal" do?
1857 [14:56:00] <cwood> bumbar: You might try running a virtual machine of sid, that way you'll have access to all the latest without breaking your current stable.
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1861 [14:57:58] <[zz]> themill, replaced-url
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1868 [14:59:49] <themill> [zz]: then try "aptitude reinstall libpython2.7-stdlib libpython2.7-minimal"
1869 [15:00:09] <donttrustem> hi, has anyone here used s3fs to mount a ams bucket?
1870 [15:00:18] <themill> [zz]: did you delete /usr/lib/python2.7/ or something?
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1873 [15:00:44] <[zz]> themill, it setup everything fine now
1874 [15:01:02] <padawanLearner> hi there
1875 [15:01:06] <donttrustem> amazon s3 bucket I mean
1876 [15:02:02] <[zz]> themill, it works fine now, thanks
1877 [15:02:11] <themill> [zz]: you might want to use "debsums" or "dpkg --verify" to check what other files are missing
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1879 [15:04:18] <[zz]> themill, replaced-url
1880 [15:05:12] <themill> [zz]: yeah, you might want to figure out why that tree is missing. Either human error deleting something or a filesystem/disk that is unhappy.
1881 [15:05:28] <themill> [zz]: "aptitude reinstall ~npython~i" might be worthwhile
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1883 [15:06:13] <padawanLearner> anyone out there proficuous on kodi/lirc? i'm having some trouble getting kodi to pick up the lirc commands
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1887 [15:06:45] <[zz]> replaced-url
1888 [15:07:05] <padawanLearner> i got irw spitting out the commands, but kody just does not pick them up
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1908 [15:22:03] <themill> [zz]: you could manually pick that list apart a bit to make aptitude happier (I'm not sure why that's needed here though)
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1914 [15:24:03] <lesley> Got that right, dvs...
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1921 [15:30:39] <paxcoder> Why is popcon using e-mail?
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1923 [15:31:12] <abrotman> instead of?
1924 [15:31:46] <themill> it only does if you configure it to
1925 [15:32:37] <paxcoder> themill: that's default. What other options are there?
1926 [15:32:43] <themill> it's not
1927 [15:33:04] <paxcoder> Why do you say that?
1928 [15:33:08] <themill> you'd dpkg-reconfigure it
1929 [15:33:15] <teraflops> Heh
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1935 [15:34:32] <themill> I'd say that because it is: replaced-url
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1939 [15:36:16] <paxcoder> themill: weird is this new?
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1941 [15:36:30] <paxcoder> abrotman: that
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1943 [15:37:02] <abrotman> that what? You're saying you want to use HTTP to submit?
1944 [15:37:05] <themill> If by "new" you mean 12 years.
1945 [15:37:06] <abrotman> or just not SMTP?
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1947 [15:38:12] <paxcoder> themill: it used to try and send emails afair and i didnt touch the conf... obviously
1948 [15:38:48] <paxcoder> abrotman: not smtp it skews results. web is good
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1951 [15:39:00] <abrotman> skews the results?
1952 [15:39:18] <paxcoder> biased towards servers
1953 [15:39:24] <abrotman> why is that?
1954 [15:39:48] <paxcoder> desktops dont tend to have mail srvs set up
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1957 [15:39:58] <abrotman> I don't see how that's related?
1958 [15:39:59] <paxcoder> is that not obvious?
1959 [15:40:08] <abrotman> It's not related
1960 [15:40:17] <paxcoder> i differ
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1962 [15:40:24] <abrotman> and, there are lots of servers that aren't mail servers .. your point fails there also
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1965 [15:40:38] <paxcoder> it doesnt
1966 [15:40:49] <abrotman> and there are lots of admins that can't configure a server to send mail
1967 [15:41:11] <paxcoder> my point is simply that more srvs run mail srvs than desktops
1968 [15:41:29] <themill> why are you arguing over a default that was changed over a decade ago?
1969 [15:41:29] <abrotman> Again, it has nothing to do with being a mail server
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1971 [15:42:07] <abrotman> That's like saying my laptop can't send email because it's not a mail server
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1973 [15:42:36] <abrotman> and that's clearly not true
1974 [15:42:48] <paxcoder> popcon tries to send as @localhost
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1976 [15:43:13] <paxcoder> the install doesnt ask you to choose
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1978 [15:43:35] <abrotman> and what?
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1982 [15:44:40] <paxcoder> and so disproportionately more srv admins make it work than desk. users
1983 [15:45:49] <abrotman> You really don't understand ..
1984 [15:45:51] <abrotman> Have a nice day
1985 [15:46:35] <paxcoder> if so, it's because you didnt help me understand, socrates
1986 [15:46:38] <themill> paxcoder: that's not relevant to how popcon results are used and we've already established that the default was changed over a decade ago. We're now into you arguing for at least 10 minutes just for the sake of having an argument. Please move on.
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1988 [15:47:21] <paxcoder> themill: i was curteously answering questions
1989 [15:47:21] <abrotman> paxcoder: I tried, you continue to stubbornly believe you're correct.
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1991 [15:47:49] <paxcoder> abrotman would not appreciate if i ignored him i'm sure
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1995 [15:48:10] <abrotman> it works for jhutchins, he's been doing it for years :)
1996 [15:48:11] <paxcoder> abrotman: your efforts were minimal
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1998 [15:48:18] <themill> paxcoder: moving on
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2002 [15:49:29] <paxcoder> but seriously i can ignore, i'm just not used to it, i consider it rude i guess
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2008 [15:51:15] <themill> zz: did that sort it out?
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2011 [15:51:29] <zz> themill, yeah its all working now
2012 [15:51:41] <themill> good to hear
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2016 [15:51:45] <dvs> darn, we helped someone
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2020 [15:53:46] <[GH0ST]> So I saw Solus and then looked at Chromium OS... are they any better?
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2028 [15:57:37] <abrotman> [GH0ST]: This is #debian ?
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2030 [15:58:05] <[GH0ST]> debian-testing is at 81% downloaded, there is still time to reconsider.
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2039 [16:00:16] <antena-cli> grawity: That problem was solved miraculously.
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2043 [16:01:13] <ku678j> hello. running debian sid. set the language to english and the formats to german. the top panel clock keeps ignoring this and also gnome-calendar starts with sunday instead of monday. How to fix this?
2044 [16:01:49] <[GH0ST]> Guys, I have a revolutionary idea.
2045 [16:01:55] <[GH0ST]> What if, get this, what if
2046 [16:02:04] <[GH0ST]> We use Javascript for Windowed applications?
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2048 [16:02:26] <[GH0ST]> Actually never mind that's fucking stupid, it doesn't interface with assembly.
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2106 [16:33:29] <Walakea> will mozilla applications fully replace icewease, dove and owl?
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2110 [16:34:33] <abrotman> Walakea: what?
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2114 [16:35:35] <Walakea> whether all the the rebranded packages will be replaced with the original ones?
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2116 [16:35:39] <themill> Walakea: that is the plan
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2120 [16:36:50] <Walakea> so mozilla changed both license on their logos and their policy on changing the software?
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2124 [16:38:37] <koowgnojeel> :x@Debian
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2128 [16:40:33] <themill> Walakea: yes
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2133 [16:41:54] <dryblow> On ssd is it best to use the swap file or swap partition? Who manage better over provisioning from samsung firmware?
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2148 [16:50:11] <dutchfish> hi, can someone explain me what has been changed within the latest updates inside /lib/udev/rules.d/60-gnupg.rules, or how to find out?
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2155 [16:53:42] <abrotman> is there a changelog for the udev package or gnupg?
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2175 [16:56:01] <dutchfish> abrotman, well, the file is generated, the only thing i could find is replaced-url
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2178 [16:56:31] <dutchfish> abrotman, apt-file is of couse unaware
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2185 [16:56:58] <careta> any apparmor specialists here?
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2197 [17:00:10] <dutchfish> abrotman, this is the one i got replaced-url
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2199 [17:00:18] <markybob> careta: try #apparmor on irc.oftc.net
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2204 [17:01:07] <careta> thanks markybob
2205 [17:01:11] <fred1807> I am requested to make my debian jessie lxde work as IPV4 only, is this possible?
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2211 [17:03:14] <abrotman> fred1807: why?
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2213 [17:04:12] <abrotman> dutchfish: replaced-url
2214 [17:04:18] <dutchfish> abrotman, sorry, i found out, it closes a bug hence the file is regenerated replaced-url
2215 [17:04:20] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2216 [17:04:27] <abrotman> okay
2217 [17:04:27] <fred1807> abrotman, my department has the lan f**** up right now, and we are required to make notebooks ipv4 only until the tech guys fix it next up. Most of the people are using macbooks, and that is a simple one click setting
2218 [17:04:34] <dutchfish> abrotman, thanks
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2220 [17:05:39] <abrotman> fred1807: remove the IPv6 address currently in use?
2221 [17:05:56] <fred1807> abrotman, I dont know.. on wicd ?
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2225 [17:06:30] <fred1807> I am not at work right now
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2230 [17:07:36] <abrotman> fred1807: right, use ip/ifdown/whatever to bring it down
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2234 [17:08:39] <fred1807> abrotman, Ok.. I will ifconfig wlan0 down ...
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2236 [17:09:00] <fred1807> then?
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2263 [17:16:00] <ku678j> hello. gnome-calendar starts with sunday. How to set it to start with monday? Gnome 3.18.3, debian sid
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2268 [17:17:15] <zykotick9> ku678j: <sidenote> testing/sid support is in #debian-next on the OFTC network, BUT you're probably better to find a gnome support channel... ymmv.
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2271 [17:18:40] <markybob> ku678j: english?
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2273 [17:18:51] <ku678j> english, yes
2274 [17:19:06] <ku678j> i set the language to english, but the formats to german
2275 [17:19:11] <ku678j> still it ignores it
2276 [17:19:13] <markybob> ku678j: this should do it. make /etc/default/locale like this: replaced-url
2277 [17:19:19] <markybob> ku678j: then restart gnome
2278 [17:19:22] <ku678j> also the top panel clock ignores it
2279 [17:19:26] <ku678j> will have a look
2280 [17:19:36] <markybob> ku678j: but zykotick9 is right. you should go to #debian-next
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2286 [17:21:27] <ku678j> markybob, thanks. I might ask there. but to my problem. Had a look at your link. Looks the same here at my computer, execpt LC_TIME is de_DE.UTF-8
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2288 [17:21:42] <ku678j> but the top panel clock and calender seem to ignore it
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2307 [17:30:46] <kiw0> Hi there
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2322 [17:35:42] <kiw0> I would like to become a Debian Maintainer, I have read the information available in the website but I have some questions about the process
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2324 [17:36:03] <ethe> I'm getting a 404 trying to DL replaced-url
2325 [17:36:12] <markybob> kiw0: try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
2326 [17:36:27] <kiw0> markybob: thank you very much
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2329 [17:36:59] <markybob> ethe: replaced-url
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2331 [17:37:33] <Ouroboros> hm, it is still possible to install stuff from archive.debian.org, right?
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2335 [17:38:00] <ethe> markybob: thanks
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2338 [17:38:32] <markybob> ethe: laptop?
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2340 [17:38:46] <ethe> what do you mean?
2341 [17:38:53] <markybob> ethe: is this for a laptop?
2342 [17:39:08] <ethe> It's for qemu
2343 [17:39:17] <markybob> ethe: okay
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2361 [17:47:34] <Ouroboros> hm, what is the path to the actual binary packages on an apt mirror? replaced-url
2362 [17:47:53] <Ouroboros> or it is not accessible that way?
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2364 [17:47:59] <abrotman> it is
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2366 [17:48:31] <abrotman> Ouroboros: /debian/pool/main/ for example
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2368 [17:49:14] <Ouroboros> ah i see
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2370 [17:49:22] <Ouroboros> sorry for dumb questions, too early in the morning :P
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2375 [17:50:14] <abrotman> Ouroboros: PS, apt-cache show <foo> will show you the path
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2378 [17:51:05] <Ouroboros> heh, that requires me to be able to boot the system... which is a bit of a problem right now
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2400 [18:00:09] <lesley> I got stuck on "configuring apt sources"...
2401 [18:00:35] <lesley> Maybe because the graphical installer fell asleep. Is this a thing?
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2407 [18:02:06] <dzz007> lesley: Maybe your network isn't working.
2408 [18:02:08] <lesley> It was the graphical installer.
2409 [18:02:16] <lesley> Also poasible.
2410 [18:02:45] <lesley> As far as the concept of possibility itself goes...
2411 [18:02:58] * zykotick9 thinks debian has one installer - stable's netinst text installer...
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2413 [18:03:14] <dzz007> From my past experiences, network is always the biggest problem.
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2416 [18:04:19] <lesley> I figure the gui fallig asleep also discinnects from network Hurg
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2419 [18:04:26] <lesley> MATE or Cinnamon...?
2420 [18:04:30] <dzz007> lesley: If nothing changed after longtime waiting, I would suggest you to plugout the networking cable to stop that process.
2421 [18:04:48] <lesley> Already rebooted and stuff.
2422 [18:05:37] <lesley> Oh neato I have Debian on my phone also now.
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2424 [18:05:49] <lesley> like a linux kernel running a java vm running a linux distro.
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2427 [18:07:00] <Syslq> lesley, now you only need a docking station and use it as workstation :)
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2431 [18:08:03] <lesley> No need to go inti absurdities, all I needed was aot-get so I can hack prisons.
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2437 [18:09:45] <okee> I am getting an annoying popup on bootup, indicating that XScreensaver is very old, please upgrade. I am using the latest XScreensaver approved for the Debian Jessie Stable Edition.
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2442 [18:10:54] <kolibri_user> hi
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2444 [18:11:28] <kolibri_user> 4
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2453 [18:14:55] <Cueball> I'm thinking of converting my server from 32bit to 64bit using this method replaced-url
2454 [18:15:23] <Cueball> Has anyone done this?
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2458 [18:18:02] <grawity> Cueball: which Debian version are you converting
2459 [18:19:09] <Cueball> grawity: Wheezy
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2465 [18:20:10] <Cueball> grawity: But was going to jump to Jessie before converting.
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2472 [18:22:20] <Ouroboros> maybe time for a clean install at this point?
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2478 [18:24:08] <zykotick9> Ouroboros: personally, if i wanted to go from 32bit to 64bit, i'd clean install.
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2480 [18:24:35] <Ouroboros> especially if also upgrading release
2481 [18:24:55] <Cueball> Ouroboros: Love the name :)
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2485 [18:25:08] <Cueball> Yeah I was considering re-install.
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2488 [18:26:34] <jmcnaught> okee: the upstream author of xscreensaver apparently put a timer in to give this warning, not understanding the point of stable distros. There's a bug report about it, it's not really more than a nuisance: replaced-url
2489 [18:26:35] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2491 [18:27:09] <Ouroboros> Cueball: at least you arent trying to upgrade etch like me, huahua
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2496 [18:28:19] <Cueball> Ouroboros: Hehe. I recently upgraded from Squeeze to Jessie on one server.
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2498 [18:28:34] <Cueball> Lost my 800 days of uptime.
2499 [18:29:07] <Ouroboros> i cant even boot it properly now because sda and sdb got swapped :(
2500 [18:29:33] <Ouroboros> need to figure out how to temporarily swap them back
2501 [18:29:37] <okee> jmcnaught> Thanks for letting me know.
2502 [18:30:09] <zykotick9> Ouroboros: try to avoid using /dev/sdXY. UUIDs or Labels are constant.
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2504 [18:30:15] <Ouroboros> yeah
2505 [18:30:41] <Ouroboros> well, this was a long time ago :)
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2507 [18:31:07] <Cueball> Had to be as it's Etch :)
2508 [18:32:40] <Cueball> I started on Etch when I moved from RH to Debian.
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2512 [18:34:38] <Ouroboros> the uuid and labels is from udev, right? was etch the first release with udev?
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2514 [18:35:03] <koris> When trying to install Debian 8.3, and during "Install the Base System," immediately after telling it which kernel to install, the installer throws an error saying that busybox could not be installed. On virtual console 4, it seems to be indicating that it is trying to run 2 different instances of apt-install or in-target at once.
2515 [18:35:14] <koris> "base-installer: apt-install or in-target is already running, so you cannot run either of them again until the other instance finishes. You may be able to use 'chroot /target ...' instead."
2516 [18:35:46] <koris> might anyone here be able to explain how this can be fixed or worked around?
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2533 [18:45:35] <PrimalHunter> Hi! I'm a bit stuck right now with configureing a debian user and can't seem to find the right keywords to look for. I'm currently trying to set the default host mail uses. I'd like it to be user@domain.tld instead of user@hostname. I guess I could change the hostname but I don't really want to do that. Any idea on how to change the behaviour/value?
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2536 [18:47:17] <Ouroboros> PrimalHunter: see if any of this helps: replaced-url
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2538 [18:47:48] <PrimalHunter> Thank you. I'll have a look. :)
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2542 [18:48:13] <Ouroboros> not sure which thing you mean by 'mail'
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2544 [18:48:38] <PrimalHunter> mail as in the name used by the console applicaton "mail". I guess it would be mailtools?
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2546 [18:49:50] <jmcnaught> koris: i've never seen this problem before. are you able to go back in the installer and try this step again?
2547 [18:50:38] <koris> yes, and it has happened four times in a row
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2551 [18:51:41] <jmcnaught> PrimalHunter: which mail transport agent are you using? exim4 is the default. i use postfix and configure this with "myorigin" in main.cf
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2553 [18:52:15] <Ouroboros> also 'mail' has its own config file mailrc
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2556 [18:53:09] <jmcnaught> koris: what type of install medium are you using? Is it USB? how did you copy the installer?
2557 [18:54:03] <Poroshenko> hey i've just installed debian jessie and I can't remove systemd... i don't need it because i already have init and an ssd hdd. How can i remove this useless software?
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2559 [18:54:12] <koris> it is the DVD image, which is burned to a DVD-RW optical disc
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2562 [18:55:10] <jmcnaught> koris: has the disc worked on other computers? did you verify the download somehow?
2563 [18:55:57] <koris> verified the download with the sha256 sums which were verified with a gpg key. the disc worked fine on a different computer
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2566 [18:56:09] <koris> the disc also passed the integrity check
2567 [18:56:25] <potus> My chroma key after applying the effect, just shows black instead of the video from the previous layer.. anyone got an ida?
2568 [18:56:31] <Poroshenko> what i've tried is: apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove systemd
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2570 [18:56:41] <potus> cinelerra on debian xfce 8.3, anyone got any ideas?
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2572 [18:56:54] <PrimalHunter> And what error did you get Poroshenko?
2573 [18:57:09] <PrimalHunter> did you make sure to have sysv as an alternative?
2574 [18:57:38] <jmcnaught> koris: sounds pretty frustrating. have you tried using the advanced install? it gives you a bit more control, will let you go back and redo steps in the installer. are there any other errors that happen earlier?
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2576 [18:57:38] <Poroshenko> oh yes, i am going to try rebooting
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2578 [18:58:05] <potus> i guess try it under gnome instead of xfce?
2579 [18:58:29] <koris> do you mean the expert install?
2580 [18:58:37] <jmcnaught> koris: yes
2581 [18:59:06] <koris> the expert install is what is being used
2582 [18:59:11] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell programmerq about remove systemd
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2584 [19:00:22] <jmcnaught> programmerq: sorry for that
2585 [19:00:24] <koris> also, the same error appears in console 4 regarding "locales" instead of busybox immediately before selecting the kernel
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2587 [19:00:56] <jmcnaught> Poroshenko: "/msg dpkg remove systemd" for the factoid about this
2588 [19:01:53] <koris> the error in question, for busybox anyway, is "in-target: unexpected error; command not executed; 'sh -c debconf-apt-progress --no-progress --logstderr -- apt-get -q -y --no-remove install busybox'"
2589 [19:02:04] <koris> the "locales" error does not halt the install
2590 [19:02:13] <koris> the one for "busybox" does
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2592 [19:03:08] <Poroshenko> dpkg bot doesn't work
2593 [19:03:10] <dpkg> Poroshenko: i haven't a clue
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2595 [19:03:21] <jmcnaught> koris: have you tried a different partition scheme? are you doing anything novel there, or simply using the guided partitioning?
2596 [19:03:47] <nolsen> I can't seem to be able to download a iso file from the site, replaced-url
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2598 [19:04:02] <jmcnaught> Poroshenko: works for me, when you messaged it did you get a message back (in a new tab or window?)
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2602 [19:05:12] <koris> using separate / and /home partitions, as well as an encrypted partition setup on a separate drive
2603 [19:05:32] <jmcnaught> nolsen: replaced-url
2604 [19:05:34] <Poroshenko> jmcnaught, nvm, it's just a bit slow (probably because its system runs systemd)
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2606 [19:06:14] <jmcnaught> Poroshenko: probably not because of that. please keep the systemd bashing to /dev/null. You're free to use what you want.
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2613 [19:10:01] <programmerq> jmcnaught: no worries :)
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2616 [19:11:35] <potus> ok im off on my merry mission
2617 [19:11:37] <potus> wish me luck
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2620 [19:11:55] <potus> (waiting for gnome to install and trying again)
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2622 [19:13:10] <potus> day - ten awesome!
2623 [19:13:18] <potus> im on day three as a glass blower
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2627 [19:13:43] <potus> well, that didnt break the ice either... i give up!
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2661 [19:24:00] <bumbar> i was upgrading from stable to stretch (on virtual machine), and went away for a while and i guess my pc decided to reboot, so i've no idea how far the dist upgrade got, but now when i boot it the screen is flashing
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2668 [19:26:32] <jmcnaught> bumbar: the host rebooted, or the guest rebooted? you could try booting the VM in a rescue mode, either from grub or a live disk. also you'll get better support for stretch in its channel: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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2674 [19:29:03] <lesley> I installed Debian, specified a BIOS boot partition but when I boit that I get a grub menu saying it can't load the kernel.
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2678 [19:29:35] <lesley> This is in attempt to get dual boot wuth windows. Somehow Ubuntu handles this spectacularly.
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2680 [19:29:47] <oldunixuser> I installed Debian, but now it uses systemd instead of sysv. How can I remove systemd???
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2682 [19:30:04] <intelfor> oldunixuser, you can't: replaced-url
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2684 [19:30:25] <lesley> Anyone?
2685 [19:30:43] <jmcnaught> oldunixuser: "/msg dpkg remove systemd" for instructions
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2688 [19:31:37] <jmcnaught> lesley: what does the error say verbatim?
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2690 [19:31:47] <intelfor> oldunixuser, you can't: replaced-url
2691 [19:31:53] <lesley> I'd take a photo, but alas...
2692 [19:31:55] <bumbar> jmcnaught, the host rebooted. the flashing's stopped now, and upgrade seems to have gone mostly ok
2693 [19:31:58] <lesley> give me one minute.
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2699 [19:32:59] <lesley> There is no error. Just grub>
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2703 [19:34:05] <jmcnaught> lesley: is it possible that the debian installer installed grub in the wrong place, and the grub that you're seeing is one leftover from an earlier ubuntu install? what menu options did grub give you?
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2705 [19:34:15] <lesley> When I type in "boot" I get "You need to load the kernel first." When I specify the "uefi os" in the bios as the first option I boot into Windows which is next on the list but if I put.either of the two ubuntu yes p much
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2708 [19:34:56] <lesley> Ubuntu's grub? Ubuntu, advanced Ubuntu, Windows uefi loader smth. The standard shamblam.
2709 [19:35:02] <intelfor> oldunixuser, you can't: replaced-url
2710 [19:35:32] <oldunixuser> intelfor, fuck off man: replaced-url
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2712 [19:36:26] <lesley> So um...
2713 [19:37:06] <lesley> Oh yeah, the gnu grub console is Ubuntu's.
2714 [19:37:06] <|\n> lol
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2716 [19:37:48] <oldunixuser> ur shitty systemd won't go anywhere, it's a piece of shit
2717 [19:37:58] <lesley> The boot ?efi bios partition that I tokd Debian to put does not get loaded. Maybe I have to set a flag..
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2720 [19:38:03] <oldunixuser> a whole #debian agrees with me
2721 [19:38:20] <nkuttler> !ot
2722 [19:38:20] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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2725 [19:39:38] <lesley> Whoever makes bootloaders is abn asshole.
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2727 [19:40:13] <lesley> I bet the jews did this >:C
2728 [19:40:28] <oldunixuser> agree!
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2731 [19:41:29] <jmcnaught> lesley: i was going to help you, but if you're going to be racist i suggest you just leave.
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2733 [19:41:43] <lesley> Hebrew is not a race.
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2735 [19:42:12] <lesley> It's a religion and Palestine is a nation.
2736 [19:42:21] <lesley> and you weren't.
2737 [19:42:23] <intelfor> fuck jews
2738 [19:42:34] <nkuttler> !ops channel needs some moderation
2739 [19:42:34] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nkuttler complains about: channel needs some moderation
2740 [19:43:10] <intelfor> !ops channel needs some moderation
2741 [19:43:10] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: intelfor complains about: channel needs some moderation
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2745 [19:44:34] <lesley> Anyway, I"ll try setting some flags and see if that works out
2746 [19:44:41] <khakhol> any idea how to remove systemd ?
2747 [19:44:58] <lesley> Also what the hell is going on with systemd today?
2748 [19:45:18] <khakhol> what?
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2750 [19:45:28] <lesley> Why do you want to remove systemd?
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2753 [19:46:07] <jmcnaught> khakhol: "/msg dpkg remove systemd" for instructions.
2754 [19:46:11] <khakhol> oh i don't like it, i'd let ubuntu use it instead
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2757 [19:46:38] <lesley> Why not?
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2760 [19:47:07] <intelfor> you can't remove systemd on Jessie, khakhol . Debian Jessie comes with systemd.
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2762 [19:48:05] <lesley> Why does everyone wabt to remove systemd all of a sudden?
2763 [19:48:15] <jmcnaught> intelfor: khakhol: that's not true, you can use sysvinit as PID 1 in Jessie. There will still be some parts of systemd like logind, but you don't have to use it as init system.
2764 [19:48:25] <khakhol> dpkg remove systemd
2765 [19:48:25] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: replaced-url
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2769 [19:48:43] <oldunixuser> lol fuck systemd
2770 [19:49:02] <khakhol> ok thanks
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2777 [19:49:51] <lesley> y tho
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2787 [19:52:35] <somiaj> oldunixuser, lesley: Keep it on topic and family friendly.
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2791 [19:53:22] <dontknow> oldunixuser, use "systemctl cat"
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2794 [19:53:31] <lesley> Nope. Can't get it to work.
2795 [19:53:53] <dontknow> systemctl cat was my wildest dream
2796 [19:54:02] <oldunixuser> debian was always a #1 system by using sysv , now it's gonna compete with ubuntu. so sad
2797 [19:54:12] <lesley> Well shit.
2798 [19:54:19] <lesley> RIP Ian.
2799 [19:54:24] <oldunixuser> RIP Ian.
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2802 [19:55:10] <lesley> What now?
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2804 [19:56:06] <oldunixuser> i'm going to remove systemd and stand by
2805 [19:56:24] <lesley> I'm thinking Slackware... or Kali...
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2807 [19:57:06] <Poroshenko> try Devuan
2808 [19:58:17] <dontknow> i wouldn't try debian derivative. who knows what they have in it. ereplaced-url
2809 [19:58:18] <lesley> Stopped reading at "pronounced as"
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2811 [19:58:58] <johnkeates> I'm hitting a hash sum mismatch on httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/i18n/Translation-enIndex, anyone else as well?
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2813 [19:59:26] <TomTomTosch> johnkeates, try again.
2814 [19:59:38] <lesley> I just get the ending of Fight Club.
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2816 [19:59:50] <johnkeates> lesley: don't talk about fight club
2817 [19:59:56] <johnkeates> its rule number1 + 2
2818 [19:59:59] <johnkeates> :p
2819 [20:00:12] <lesley> So you're saying it's real.
2820 [20:00:15] <johnkeates> :p
2821 [20:00:28] <lesley> I wouldn't know.
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2823 [20:01:52] <oldunixuser> this is how systemd looks like irl replaced-url
2824 [20:02:02] <TomTomTosch> johnkeates, maybe the mirror you get is out of date. you might try a different one if you keep getting this error.
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2827 [20:02:17] <lesley> Eh
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2829 [20:02:42] <lesley> Least stupid windowdesktopmanagerdesktop engineframework?
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2831 [20:02:54] <johnkeates> i'll try a static repo
2832 [20:02:59] <johnkeates> not a dynamic redirected
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2834 [20:03:06] <johnkeates> systemd: linux in userland :p
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2842 [20:04:29] <dontknow> somiaj, but we have fun
2843 [20:04:31] <FaTony> hi, how can I completely remove java? when I try to purge it automatically wants to install gcj
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2845 [20:05:14] <somiaj> FaTony: care to share the exact command you are typing and the output you get.
2846 [20:05:19] <somiaj> FaTony: please use paste.debian.net
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2848 [20:05:47] <johnkeates> replaced-url
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2851 [20:06:43] <FaTony> somiaj, replaced-url
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2853 [20:06:55] <lesley> I'm going to stick with Ubuntu for no reason other than it works on my laptop, being if a Debian derivative I'll stay here so as to not be infected with enterprise thinking...
2854 [20:06:55] <somiaj> johnkeates: keep on topic. This is not the place to get into a systemd discussion (unless it is about how to properly use sysvinit instead of systemd in debian).
2855 [20:07:15] <johnkeates> well, how about: can we use launchd instead of systemd in debian
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2857 [20:08:11] <johnkeates> i mean, not for debian as a default, but, as a consumer
2858 [20:08:18] <jim> lesley,is it that debian does not work?
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2860 [20:08:32] <somiaj> johnkeates: Unsure about launchd. Debian only really supports systed and sysvinit. Though upstart and openrc on the in the repos. I wouldn't expect all packages to have correct init configuarionts/scripts for those init systems.
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2863 [20:09:05] <jmcnaught> FaTony: the packages you are removing and the gcj-jdk package have something in common, they provide virtual packages for "java-compiler, java-sdk etc." For example check the Provides: line in the output of "apt-cache show gcj-jdk"
2864 [20:09:05] <johnkeates> well, that's probably the main reason for only having sysv and systemd I guess.. oh well :-)
2865 [20:09:29] <somiaj> FaTony: you probably have some package that requires java-runtime and apt instaed of removing that packge is installing an alternative java package.
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2867 [20:09:33] <jmcnaught> FaTony: you can use "aptitude why $package" (and aptitude why-not" to try and see why a package is needed or not
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2869 [20:09:52] <somiaj> FaTony: as jmcnaught suggested, see what package you have that depends on java and remove that package.
2870 [20:09:59] <jmcnaught> FaTony: one common reason to need java of some sort is libreoffice
2871 [20:10:27] <FaTony> hmm on another machine I have libreoffice but no openjdk or gcj
2872 [20:11:02] <somiaj> libreoffice wants java, but I think it is only suggested. Unless you are foring suggested packages to be installed you may have to look for another culprit.
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2876 [20:11:51] <jmcnaught> FaTony: for me i have a default-jdk metapackage installed because i installed eclipse, but you'll need to poke around your system to see what depends/recommends java
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2878 [20:12:21] <lesley> HURG
2879 [20:12:31] <lesley> Google Docs, br
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2882 [20:12:38] <FaTony> ah I looks like it's libreoffice-officebean
2883 [20:12:54] <johnkeates> isn't that for libreoffice extensions?
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2885 [20:13:57] <FaTony> I dunno I use libreoffice like twice a year
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2888 [20:14:36] <bumbar> there seem to be broken links on the official download site, eg replaced-url
2889 [20:15:50] <H4ndy> bumbar: because 8.4.0 is the latest version
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2891 [20:16:17] <H4ndy> bumbar: replaced-url
2892 [20:16:40] <bumbar> H4ndy, thanks
2893 [20:17:33] <jim> lesley, also, I dunno if you'd be allowed to idle here (it sounds harmless to me), but just so you know... people would refuse to answer any questions about the laptop as answers they give are going to be increasingly inapplicable to you... also ubuntu is planning on pulling up those stakes by adopting a different packaging system, and when that happens, ubuntu will no longer even be based on debian
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2895 [20:18:19] <lesley> I don't know anymore.
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2898 [20:18:50] <jim> obviously the choices are yours
2899 [20:19:19] <sauna> Hi. Could someone tell me what to do when I try to configure a new router (management port ip is 192.168.88.1) and I plug in the cable and I get ipv6 address. Obviously does not work. Only fix I overwrote network/interfaces with static ip.
2900 [20:19:30] <intelfor> sure jim , ubuntu is going to be based on microsoft from now
2901 [20:19:37] <intelfor> since they have successfully associated
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2904 [20:19:46] <johnkeates> and they will use the NT kernel :p lol
2905 [20:20:27] <jim> to that I would say "good luck"...
2906 [20:20:31] <jmcnaught> lesley: before you got anti-semitic earlier I was helping you discover that when you installed debian it had not installed grub in the right place, and you're still getting an older grub from an earlier ubuntu install. "/msg dpkg reinstall grub" for some instructions on how to deal with that.
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2910 [20:21:28] <johnkeates> I do wonder what happens when snappy apps get popular, will debian get something like an adaptor for that?
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2912 [20:21:38] <oldunixuser> somiaj have muted me just because i dislike systemd
2913 [20:22:02] <TomTomTosch> he is free to do so. please stay on-topic here.
2914 [20:22:25] <jim> since when has popularity swayed debian?
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2916 [20:22:45] <johnkeates> since popcon existed i guess? it's what it's for
2917 [20:22:53] <johnkeates> at least for CD distribution
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2920 [20:24:06] <oldunixuser> but debian have choosed the wrong way adopting systemd, the future is undefined
2921 [20:24:39] <johnkeates> well, you are free to not use systemd I guess
2922 [20:24:40] <dontknow> future is with systemd
2923 [20:24:56] <dontknow> it already happened
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2925 [20:25:19] <jim> I guess you'd have to have some snappy app packaged for debian and in the archive to make the popcon with snappy work
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2927 [20:25:36] <oldunixuser> it's going to be removed in the next release, i this heard from official devs
2928 [20:25:42] <oldunixuser> they admit they did a mistake
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2931 [20:26:07] <johnkeates> I wish there was some sort of demo or distro with launchd so I could give it a go
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2934 [20:26:12] <jim> they're going to take out systemd?
2935 [20:26:21] <markybob> no
2936 [20:26:22] <oldunixuser> yep
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2938 [20:26:32] <markybob> no, they're not
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2940 [20:26:40] <jim> a difference of opinion :)
2941 [20:26:44] <markybob> oh i forgot it was sunday
2942 [20:26:47] <oldunixuser> yes, they will
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2946 [20:27:21] <intelfor> systemd was a big mistake
2947 [20:27:22] <somiaj> oldunixuser: I quited you for being off topic.
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2951 [20:27:49] <somiaj> intelfor: then use sysvinit. This is no the place to discuss this. Go read the mailing lists for plenty of opnioins on why debian switched to systemd.
2952 [20:28:09] <intelfor> i have read that, np
2953 [20:28:20] <sauna> Hate to disturb, but anyone care to comment on my problem ? the endless ifups and ifdowns for static ip made me very frustrated
2954 [20:28:34] <jim> what's off topic about whether debian will remove systemd?
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2956 [20:28:43] <somiaj> sauna: what do you mean by endless ifups/downs
2957 [20:28:51] <markybob> jim: first off, it's not. he's just trolling
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2960 [20:29:06] <jim> oh ok
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2962 [20:29:24] <oldunixuser> no i wasn't trolling, markybob is one who is actually
2963 [20:29:34] <somiaj> jim: that really isn't debian support, though usually talking about debian plans/future isn't strictkly off topic, systemd is one of those topics that starts flame wars.
2964 [20:29:41] <jim> ohh
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2970 [20:30:13] <jim> ok I see, so this isn't a discussion channel, it's a support channel
2971 [20:30:15] <sauna> well, I wanted to configure a new router. IManagement port had ip 192.168.88.1, but when I plugged in cable, I got IPV6. Even after disabling ipv6 and restarting I got ipv6.
2972 [20:30:39] <oldunixuser> somiaj is supporting ubuntu that's why he gets nervous when someone is talking contra systemd
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2974 [20:30:49] <somiaj> jim: correct, though some discussion is okay, systemd just gets out of hand and has already caused lot of langauge and racisim
2975 [20:30:52] <sauna> Had to configure network interfaces manually. That meant using ifup ifdown
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2983 [20:31:19] <johnkeates> how does systemd cause racism :p it's software, not human
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2985 [20:31:22] <jim> somiaj, ok, thanks for letting me know
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2988 [20:31:38] <somiaj> enouhg, please keep on topic and let users like sauna not get lost in the noise
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2990 [20:31:50] <oldunixuser> somiaj why you get so upset when someone wants to remove systemd from debian?
2991 [20:32:07] <oldunixuser> this is not normal behavious
2992 [20:32:09] <oldunixuser> r
2993 [20:32:16] <somiaj> sauna: are you using the interfaces file to configure your network or something else?
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2995 [20:32:20] <lllll918> I want to watch a movie via vfat USB stick onmy TV. But the movie is 5GB in size. I tried spilt -b 2GB movie.mkv but the result is that only the first part is playable. How can I achieve a working split?
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2998 [20:32:22] <cisc> let's keep it technical, not political :)
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3000 [20:32:55] <sauna> I use the normal interfaces file. Interestingly when I configured DHCP on the router, it got ipv4 without problems
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3003 [20:33:04] <somiaj> lllll918: what about exfat? Does your tv support that
3004 [20:33:05] <oldunixuser> first of all, somiaj, stop muting me,
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3008 [20:33:11] <markybob> lllll918: most tv's support ntfs
3009 [20:33:19] <grawity> sauna: are you saying that getting ipv6 means you can't get ipv4?
3010 [20:33:22] <markybob> somiaj: most tv's don't support that
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3014 [20:33:35] <oldunixuser> secondly, i want to talk about systemd right now
3015 [20:33:40] <oldunixuser> it sucks guys
3016 [20:33:47] <oldunixuser> admit it
3017 [20:33:49] <oldunixuser> or die
3018 [20:33:52] <somiaj> markybob: ahh
3019 [20:33:55] <cisc> systemd is actually really good
3020 [20:33:56] <jim> I've brought this up before... debian used to have a package called ipmasq, which "calculates" a firewall from information it gets looking at the interfaces... the package stopped working when lsb headers were required in the service file... I took a copy, put the headers in and also added a func that adds a port forward...
3021 [20:34:00] <oldunixuser> no it's not
3022 [20:34:03] <oldunixuser> it's useless
3023 [20:34:12] <sauna> Nono, I got ipv6 automatically even if ipv6 is disabled( Using gnome). Even tho the default new router management port ip is 192.168.88.1
3024 [20:34:13] <oldunixuser> it's interfering with normal functionality
3025 [20:34:13] <lllll918> I am not sure. I have 55" Philips flat screen from 2 years ago.
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3027 [20:34:34] <grawity> sauna: well if you use ifupdown that's not the same thing as GNOME's network configuration
3028 [20:34:36] <markybob> lllll918: it won't support exfat. probably ntfs. i'd try that.
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3032 [20:34:55] <grawity> markybob: I thought exfat support is more common
3033 [20:35:02] <markybob> grawity: not for tv's
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3035 [20:35:06] <lllll918> So there isno way to split a movie so that all parts work?
3036 [20:35:18] <jim> it works fine, I've used it on a jessie box since jessie came out, I was wondering, is there something in the archive that replaces it?
3037 [20:35:23] <grawity> neither is ntfs tbh
3038 [20:35:24] <Amun_Ra> lllll918: using tool to split video files - yes
3039 [20:35:37] <grawity> but exfat *was* sorta made for embedded devices etc
3040 [20:35:39] <somiaj> lllll918: you may have to use some video encoding software that splits it up and only plays the video in chunks.
3041 [20:35:40] <markybob> grawity: it's "more common" in the sense that it works in macs windows and linux, sure
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3043 [20:35:43] <oldunixuser> also i disagree with the most oppinions took place on debian-dev mailing lists regarding systemd, they haven't asked USERS first of all
3044 [20:35:52] <grawity> but yeah, I see in their FAQ "only FAT is supported" replaced-url
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3048 [20:35:58] <Amun_Ra> lllll918: either mencoder or mkvtoolnix
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3051 [20:36:08] <markybob> grawity: most tv's i've seen has ntfs support. mine does and it's 5 years old
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3055 [20:36:21] <oldunixuser> after Ian's death it's all have changed
3056 [20:36:33] <markybob> somiaj: please take care of this?
3057 [20:36:36] <oldunixuser> i see that Canonical is insiding into debian developing too
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3059 [20:36:58] <oldunixuser> people like somiaj are ruining Debian
3060 [20:37:09] <Ouroboros> oldunixuser: feel free to voice your concerns at #systemdsucks on irc.noonecares.org
3061 [20:37:16] <oldunixuser> the best distro of all times
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3069 [20:40:11] <Ouroboros> re /dev/disk/by-id or /dev/disk/by-uuid, how does that work with ordinary names in /dev/mapper?
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3073 [20:40:21] <paxcoder> In what way is the user added at installation different from subsequently added users? I'd like to make one of the latter users "special" instead of that one.
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3077 [20:40:45] <Ouroboros> e.g. if it creates /dev/mapper/sda_crypt, is it possible to change that to a uuid-based name/
3078 [20:40:46] <somiaj> sorry for the mute, right now only registered users can chat.
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3080 [20:40:55] <nkuttler> paxcoder: special how?
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3084 [20:41:05] <markybob> paxcoder: umm. intaller might add it for audio group and sudo automatically if that's what you mean
3085 [20:41:30] <jmcnaught> paxcoder: the user created during the install isn't really special. you can check if anything is different by comparing the groups that users are in
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3088 [20:42:06] <paxcoder> nkuttler: well that's kinda my question :) It obviously gets added to sudoers (when you're using sudo), but more importantly, it receives e-mail when incidents occur.
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3090 [20:42:46] <nkuttler> paxcoder: /etc/aliases
3091 [20:42:55] <somiaj> sauna: didn't mean to ignore you. Anyways you have the interfaces configured to use dhcp or to use static? Until I resolve this issue you may have to /msg nickserv help to register your nick to chat in here for the time.
3092 [20:43:03] <oldunixuser> somiaj, no problem mate
3093 [20:43:06] <oldunixuser> Ouroboros, sorry but you are a bastard if you don't care, really. You do like backdoors in your linux distro, right?
3094 [20:43:15] <oldunixuser> it's like using apple man
3095 [20:43:16] <paxcoder> nkuttler: thanks. Is there anything else?
3096 [20:43:19] <TomTomTosch> oldunixuser, i'm not sure why you want to disturb a support channel.
3097 [20:43:26] <jim> oldunixuser, what I observed wasn't about systemd in particular... it was more that you wouldn't stop arguing about it
3098 [20:43:32] <oldunixuser> TomTomTosch, i am not disturbing anyone
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3100 [20:43:48] <nkuttler> paxcoder: i wouldn't know. just ask if anything comes up
3101 [20:43:52] <TomTomTosch> oldunixuser, you are. please be considerate of people who need real help.
3102 [20:43:54] <somiaj> jim, TomTomTosch: no need to feed the troll
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3112 [20:45:21] <unixuser> TomTomTosch, i am starving of systemd in debian jessie, what can i do?
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3114 [20:45:28] <unixuser> it's really disgusting
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3116 [20:45:37] <jim> somiaj, I was pretty sure the ban was coming, so consider that a parting shot, meant to make sure he knew the underlying reason,,, if anything, he deserved that much
3117 [20:46:01] <nkuttler> unixuser: ban evasion isn't cool
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3119 [20:46:14] <unixuser> nkuttler, i didn't ban evade
3120 [20:46:21] <Amun_Ra> and that prooves trolling point
3121 [20:46:27] <unixuser> i am standing my rights
3122 [20:46:34] <Ouroboros> just add him to /ignore and be done with it
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3130 [20:47:28] <jim> what;s $r?
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3134 [20:48:26] <newunixusr> all my ##arguments are related to debian
3135 [20:48:28] <newunixusr> fortunately
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3137 [20:48:58] <newunixusr> and banning a helpless user isn't cool, you just op abusing
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3152 [20:50:57] <Ouroboros> what is the purpose of /dev/sg* ? do these correspond to the scsi devices mapped at /dev/sda etc or are these other scsi devices that werent recognized?
3153 [20:51:11] <jelly> Ouroboros: both can happen
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3161 [20:51:29] <jelly> oops.
3162 [20:51:29] <allunixur> i am going to call the police because jelly is a cocksucker
3163 [20:51:32] <|\n> чщ чщ
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3173 [20:51:56] <Ouroboros> i guess i should figure out how those scsi hardware paths work
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3179 [20:52:39] <jelly> Ouroboros: mostly sg is used to issue scsi commands not implied by other specific scsi drivers
3180 [20:53:16] <jelly> eg. a tape library or dvd burner is neither a scsi disk or scsi tape or scsi cdrom
3181 [20:53:24] <Ouroboros> ah
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3183 [20:53:28] <jellycock> well this has escalated quickly. Jelly stop banning me or i am reporting you as an abuser
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3185 [20:53:34] <jellycock> well this has escalated quickly. Jelly stop banning me or i am reporting you as an abuser
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3192 [20:53:46] <jaggz> I'm getting a python error loading a module 'plac', but I can't find it in debian
3193 [20:54:12] <jaggz> it's apparently for commandline argument parsing
3194 [20:54:35] <nkuttler> jaggz: if it's not packaged you can e.g. use virtualenv to install it
3195 [20:54:57] <nkuttler> jaggz: or just pip with root rights for a global install
3196 [20:54:58] <somiaj> jaggz: this from a python program in debian? Debian does provid pip to install stuff outside of debian and there are debian-helper scripts to package python modules if needed
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3198 [20:55:30] <jaggz> it's from a little utility script I got from a webpage -- so not a dependency issue necessarily
3199 [20:55:43] <Ouroboros> replaced-url
3200 [20:55:53] <nkuttler> jaggz: presumptuous description and not updated since 2012
3201 [20:55:58] <jaggz> (a script to handle updating screen X11 variables needed for KDE)
3202 [20:56:01] <nkuttler> not sure that's something i'd want to install
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3204 [20:56:26] <sauna> Somiaj, I normally don't add anything to interfaces file.
3205 [20:56:27] <jmcnaught> jaggz: if you do install something with pip or easy_install, don't do it as root or with sudo.
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3208 [20:56:45] <jaggz> I see.. hmm
3209 [20:56:49] <jaggz> it's from the second answer here: replaced-url
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3212 [20:57:07] <Ouroboros> jelly: in this case, its not finding my main sata drive (which is ok), but i was curious if its one of the sg*, but maybe it just doesnt recognize the pcie controller
3213 [20:57:21] <jaggz> (basically, if you leave a screen running, re-log into X11 (kde), and reattach to the screen, you have some vars that need to be updated in the shells within screen)
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3217 [20:57:56] <jaggz> the key variable for me was: DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
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3219 [20:58:04] <sauna> I mean the port in router has static ip. My debian automatically gets the static ip as ipv6 for some reason. Now only way I could get it as ipv4 was if I manually write to interfaces file. I was thinking, why does it not work automatically?
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3224 [20:58:59] <bigfish> don't listen to jelly's suggestions, he is a newbie and canonical's insider
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3247 [21:02:30] <mauseriw> 11 Y.O. IS OLD ENOUGH FOR DEBIAN
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3250 [21:03:33] <jaggz> Ouroboros, what's up with your sata?
3251 [21:03:40] <Ouroboros> nothing
3252 [21:03:49] <Ouroboros> just moving very old debian etch to a new machine
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3254 [21:04:19] <somiaj> sauna: I'm a bit confused, as there are lots of ways to configure the network in debian. Are you saying that the default interfaces file is getting ipv6 address from dhcp or if you don't have an interfaces file (since you said manually write one) some other application like network-manager is setting up ipv6 from dhcp?
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3260 [21:05:28] <Dagger> sauna: and what IP are you getting? if it's fe80::* then it doesn't count
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3277 [21:06:35] <sauna> Well I had to manually write the part for eth0. Currently I don't have anythhing about eth0 in interfaces file and if I plug in a cable to working router I get ip and connection.
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3281 [21:07:17] <grawity> does your router serve DHCP?
3282 [21:07:24] <sauna> Now the router had management port with static ip. I plugged in cable. Then I typed "ip addr l" and got ipv6 address. Dagger, I am sorry, I don't remember what ip it was.
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3307 [21:08:49] <sauna> No DHCP on that port, other ports that I configured with DHCP work fine, jsut the static management port is causing troubles
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3310 [21:09:43] <Dagger> just the one address, or multiple?
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3312 [21:09:55] <sauna> one address
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3316 [21:11:02] <Dagger> it was just the link local then, and no actual configured addresses
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3322 [21:11:27] <Dagger> and if the router isn't doing DHCP on the management port, that's probably why you're not getting an IP from DHCP when you connect to that port
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3333 [21:12:01] <sauna> So the only way is manually configuring the ip ?
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3336 [21:12:58] <grawity> well how else is your computer going to obtain it
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3339 [21:13:15] <bigfish> thanks eir bro
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3345 [21:13:40] <sauna> A okay, so the static ip of the router is not responded, if computer asks for ip ? I am not very strong with networks
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3349 [21:14:05] <grawity> the IP *of the router* doesn't matter at all
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3351 [21:14:27] <grawity> what matters is whether the router has the DHCP service enabled
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3354 [21:14:54] <bigfish> hey jelly bro
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3356 [21:15:00] <bigfish> how's ubunru going?
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3360 [21:15:42] <bigfish> jelly man
3361 [21:15:48] <bigfish> bro
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3372 [21:17:18] <bigfish> systemd sucks
3373 [21:17:26] <bigfish> i am going to argue
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3375 [21:17:37] <bigfish> jelly don't ban
3376 [21:17:42] <bigfish> or you are a cocksucker
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3382 [21:18:34] <sauna> Ah okay, thanks all. I wonder why I didn't think that pc cannot automatically acquire an ip that is static. stupid ...
3383 [21:19:22] <grawity> it can, but only if it's provided via DHCP
3384 [21:19:41] <grawity> though I guess that kind is more often called "reserved" than "static"
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3390 [21:20:39] <mike_privey> jelly,
3391 [21:20:45] <daytime> mike_privey: No.
3392 [21:20:45] <mike_privey> i'd like to argue about systemd
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3397 [21:21:32] <petemc> that is one persistent fool
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3408 [21:23:39] <daytime> Logged out before entering, how rude
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3411 [21:24:04] <paxcoder> why can't apt get linux-firmware-nonfree if there is nonfree in sources.list and apt-get update goes through?
3412 [21:24:05] <petewc> petemc, i'd recommend you to keep stfu
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3414 [21:24:13] <petewc> think twice before saying something
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3421 [21:24:52] <jmcnaught> paxcoder: do you mean "firmware-linux-nonfree" ? if you're still having trouble please make a paste of the command and output
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3429 [21:26:16] <midtime> hey daytime, 11 y.o. is old enough for IRC, right??
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3437 [21:27:27] <paxcoder> jmcnaught: i'm having trouble doing it from the cli (i need -nonfree to run my DE). Can I paraphrase? The output is not in English anyway.
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3440 [21:27:49] <paxcoder> It's not very informative either I'm afraid.
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3443 [21:28:02] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell paxcoder about localized errors
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3445 [21:28:28] <jmcnaught> paxcoder: you can also ask dpkg bot about "pastebinit" for an easy way to make pastes
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3448 [21:28:44] <paxcoder> ah, forgot
3449 [21:28:48] <paxcoder> yes, i have pastebinit
3450 [21:28:50] <sauna> I find that using aptitude for packages like firmware-linux-nonfree can be very helpful. Maybe try that, it is less cli and more gui also.
3451 [21:28:57] <paxcoder> but some go to stdout, one to stderr...
3452 [21:29:07] <paxcoder> eh, i'll do my best
3453 [21:29:18] <markybob> how is aptitude more gui?
3454 [21:29:23] <jmcnaught> paxcoder: your best will be fine, lots of people here to help :)
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3456 [21:29:47] <deepy> markybob: aptitude is totally gui
3457 [21:29:57] <sauna> You can redirect stderr to stdout like command 2>&1
3458 [21:29:58] <unborn> pastebinit?
3459 [21:30:09] <markybob> deepy: okay. fucking hate sundays.
3460 [21:30:20] <deepy> markybob: try running it without any arguments
3461 [21:30:39] <markybob> deepy: ncurses is not...nevermind. not worth it
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3463 [21:31:00] <deepy> graphical doesn't mean X :-)
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3465 [21:31:13] <paxcoder> I outsource too much of my memory to google. Remind me how to redirect stderr to stdout?
3466 [21:31:16] <TomTomTosch> it's TUI, not GUI x)
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3469 [21:32:40] <sauna> paxcoder, 2>&1 (2 is stderr, 1 is stdout). I believe it is command > my_output 2>&1
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3472 [21:33:29] <paxcoder> sauna: you've got it. I was trying 2>&1, then >file. Redirection is weird.
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3476 [21:34:52] <sauna> Thanks :). First time I actually was useful to someone in IRC. Feels good.
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3489 [21:37:20] <dadoks> Hello everyone, i installed cakephp on my linux pc and i created an example app, but when i run the command "bin/cake bake all users", this is the output error: replaced-url
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3491 [21:37:27] <dadoks> can someone help me?
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3493 [21:37:32] <paxcoder> paste.debian.net/423604
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3495 [21:38:01] <deepy> dadoks: seems like it can't connect to your sql server
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3503 [21:38:41] <paxcoder> jmcnaught: i've echoed the command, then executed it and appended the result
3504 [21:38:44] <nkuttler> dadoks: you probably want #cakephp
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3522 [21:41:36] <jmcnaught> paxcoder: did pastebinit give you a URL?
3523 [21:41:44] <paxcoder> This is my sources.list: paste.debian.net/423608
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3525 [21:41:59] <paxcoder> jmcnaught: i posted it before tagging you
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3529 [21:42:51] <towo`> paxcoder, the repo is non-free, not nonfree!
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3531 [21:43:36] <jmcnaught> paxcoder: oh i see it now. towo` is correct, also i assume that you have an actual country code where it says <country code>?
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3534 [21:44:16] <aricz> Hi, using an old version av Debian (Linux debian 2.6.34.10-vortex86-sg) on an ebox-3100 (small x86 computer).. sources.list is messed up (replaced-url
3535 [21:44:32] <aricz> Oh, Debian 5.0.2a Lenny
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3537 [21:44:59] <jmcnaught> paxcoder: one more thing, since you're using testing you'll get better support in testing's channel #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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3539 [21:45:23] <paxcoder> jmcnaught: I doubt it
3540 [21:45:36] <paxcoder> jmcnaught: yes, i sed'd the country code
3541 [21:45:38] <markybob> !lenny sources.list
3542 [21:45:38] <dpkg> Debian 5.0 "Lenny" is no longer on the mirror network but can be found on archive.debian.org; you can use sources.list lines "deb replaced-url
3543 [21:45:45] <markybob> aricz: see that ^
3544 [21:46:00] <jelly> aricz: that's a custom installation made by the vendor, who knows what manual changes they introduced so tread carefully
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3546 [21:46:27] <aricz> These are the errors I get when 'apt-get update' replaced-url
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3548 [21:46:41] <aricz> ahhh.. thanks both of you!
3549 [21:46:42] <paxcoder> towo`: jmcnaught: But here's the weird part, the output of apt-get update paste.debian.net/423616
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3551 [21:47:17] <paxcoder> It also says "Done." at the end, but somehow that wasn't piped to the file i pastebin'd
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3559 [21:48:46] <paxcoder> Don't know why that is. Anyway, "non-free" solved my problem. Thanks
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3583 [21:59:59] <transhuman_> hi am trying to setup qemu-kvm with a tun/tap interface and have a group interface sudo tunctl -t mytap -u xenlive << added user to interface ownership this is my etc/network/interfaces config replaced-url
3584 [22:00:02] <transhuman_> I also did a modprobe tun ifup mytal restarted dnsmasq and did a newgrp vde2-net and added user to it
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3586 [22:00:15] <transhuman_> s/mytal/mytap
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3588 [22:00:59] <transhuman_> getting error qemu-system-x86_64: -net tap,vlan=0,ifname=mytap: could not configure /dev/net/tun (mytap): Operation not permitted qemu-system-x86_64: -net tap,vlan=0, ifname=mytap: device 'tap' could not be initialized
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3600 [22:03:05] <attila__> Hello, is there a general help channel related to debian on freenode?
3601 [22:03:26] <petemc> yes, this is it
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3603 [22:04:21] <attila__> oh... i used nvidia-detect and it suggested me to install nvidia-driver that broke my x server. where can i find nvidia-conf that i remember from earlier? is it obsolete now?
3604 [22:04:36] <attila__> tried an aptitude search for it
3605 [22:04:38] <jelly> attila__: which debian release are you using?
3606 [22:04:46] <attila__> jessie 8
3607 [22:05:40] <attila__> or should i paste an uname
3608 [22:05:42] <jelly> attila__: you shouldn't need nvidia-xconfig except in special circumstances
3609 [22:05:51] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
3610 [22:05:51] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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3614 [22:06:49] <jelly> ^^ that one bit in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d is supposed to be enough, unless you have special wishes about, dunno, multiple monitors and their order be set up in advance before you log in
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3618 [22:07:15] <attila__> well im not sure what am i doing, clearly. should i just edit the driver line then?
3619 [22:07:21] <attila__> in xorg.conf?
3620 [22:07:40] <jelly> if you already have an xorg.conf in place, yeah
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3622 [22:08:00] <attila__> i must have some,it is complaining about it on startx
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3624 [22:08:08] <jelly> but the idea is you don't need the full config fule
3625 [22:08:29] <jelly> file* either
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3627 [22:09:07] <Ntemis> i have an issue with my mdadm
3628 [22:09:09] <Ntemis> but my raid5 software array works fine :D
3629 [22:09:18] <Ntemis> like /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf defines no arrays
3630 [22:09:44] <attila__> actually
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3632 [22:10:10] <attila__> i cant seem to find it either at /usr/share/X11 or at /etc/X11
3633 [22:10:22] <attila__> ill try the lines you suggested i think
3634 [22:10:46] <jelly> if you do precisely what the bot said, nothing more, nothing less, you ought to be set up
3635 [22:11:08] <Ntemis> what shall i do?
3636 [22:11:11] <towo`> attila__, mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
3637 [22:11:31] <jelly> not just that.
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3641 [22:12:47] <jelly> Ntemis: so your array gets brought up successfully at boot time, but you don't have either /etc/mdadm.conf or /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf?
3642 [22:13:10] <jelly> Ntemis: or you just don't have any ARRAY lines?
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3652 [22:16:50] <attila__> okay jelly thanks i will reboot now and see.
3653 [22:17:09] <attila__> i made that minimal conf file
3654 [22:17:11] <attila__> lets hope
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3662 [22:19:44] <attila__> lmao i had to write that all by hand because idk how to copypaste with irssi but it was worth it
3663 [22:19:49] <attila__> thank you jelly
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3671 [22:20:55] <Ntemis> jelly: cat: /etc/mdadm.conf: No such file or directory
3672 [22:21:06] <Ntemis> for /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
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3674 [22:21:33] <Ntemis> not much in it
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3676 [22:21:50] <Ntemis> no raid lines
3677 [22:21:58] <Ntemis> now what?
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3680 [22:22:24] <Ntemis> but cat /proc/mdstat
3681 [22:22:35] <Ntemis> Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]
3682 [22:22:57] <Ntemis> md127 : active raid5 sdb1[0] sde1[4] sdd1[6] sdc1[5] 5860145664 blocks super 1.2 level 5, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/4] [UUUU]
3683 [22:23:10] <Ntemis> jelly: unused devices: <none>
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3695 [22:25:22] <nolsen> I upgraded from jessie to stretch, and now autoremove wants to remove a bunch of things that it shouldn't.
3696 [22:25:49] <markybob> nolsen: you're also now not supported here. testing/unstable is on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
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3698 [22:26:21] <Ntemis> anyone?
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3709 [22:31:12] <jelly> Ntemis: well, you can use /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf to generate one and perhaps "dpkg-reconfigure mdadm" after that
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3711 [22:32:35] <Ntemis> jelly: how i use that?
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3722 [22:38:08] <spacedust> i was thinking about using a workstation as a server, but it doesnt has ECC ram , is that very bad ?
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3729 [22:40:36] <markybob> spacedust: no
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3734 [22:42:20] <TomTomTosch> spacedust, errors are very rare. on systems with very large amount of RAM it can be important, but you will be fine without.
3735 [22:42:40] <spacedust> TomTomTosch: i have 8gb of ddr3
3736 [22:42:48] <spacedust> i was thinking about using zfs ...
3737 [22:42:57] <spacedust> it would help make a mirrored raid
3738 [22:43:08] <markybob> spacedust: really, you'll be fine. you don't need ecc. zfs on the other hand...
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3743 [22:43:35] <spacedust> markybob: i was thinking about using proxmoxve and zfs
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3746 [22:43:55] <markybob> due to licensing i won't touch zfs.
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3749 [22:44:30] <spacedust> hmmm
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3751 [22:44:36] <spacedust> markybob: so what options do i have ?
3752 [22:44:50] <markybob> spacedust: btrfs. ext4. xfs. a shit ton
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3754 [22:45:11] <spacedust> markybob: and make a mdadm raid manually ?
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3756 [22:45:21] <drmagoo> Does anyone here know of a rdp-client (to access a win7 machine) that supports seperate windowsize (The program/client itself) and resolution? Windowsize is 2560x1440 and resolution is 1920x1080 for example...
3757 [22:45:32] <markybob> spacedust: is this a clean install? the installer will create your raid for you
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3760 [22:45:55] <spacedust> markybob: if i install debian on it it will do it ?
3761 [22:46:00] <spacedust> hmm didnt knew that
3762 [22:46:02] <markybob> spacedust: yes
3763 [22:46:04] <spacedust> markybob: and how can i monitor it ?
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3765 [22:46:23] <spacedust> with zfs it would be easy and also snapshoting and the rest but if you say its picky ...
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3767 [22:47:08] <markybob> spacedust: lvm allows snapshots. so does btrfs. you need to read a bit more i think.
3768 [22:47:35] <spacedust> markybob: lvm also has snapshots ? wow i didnt knew that
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3770 [22:47:46] <spacedust> markybob: i mean zfs snapshot is push button snapshot is ready :)
3771 [22:47:50] <spacedust> i never used btrfs
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3789 [22:53:58] <spacedust> markybob: which installer you recommend ? netinst will do well ?
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3791 [22:54:08] <markybob> spacedust: that's what i use
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3794 [22:54:35] <spacedust> markybob: i have a silly situation where my 3rd disk WD green isnt detected if i enbaled RAID+AHCI, bios doesnt sees it
3795 [22:54:42] <spacedust> if i boot linux i get it as /dev/sdc
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3797 [22:55:01] <spacedust> if i dont enable that option ans use IDE option i dont get NCQ depth 0/32 and see all 3 disks at bios
3798 [22:55:04] <spacedust> strange
3799 [22:55:18] <markybob> hrm. i don't know anything about that. maybe someone else does
3800 [22:55:27] <jelly> spacedust: do you need raid? Linux is better with just ahci.
3801 [22:55:50] <spacedust> jelly: i cant enable ahci otherwise, i dont use raid of the motherboard
3802 [22:55:56] <spacedust> jelly: i just have to enable that to get ahci
3803 [22:56:01] <jelly> that's weird
3804 [22:56:10] <spacedust> i havent made any raids
3805 [22:56:14] <spacedust> jelly: yeah it is :)
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3809 [22:57:06] <spacedust> replaced-url
3810 [22:57:11] <spacedust> The requested URL /debian-cd/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso was not found on this server.
3811 [22:57:13] <markybob> spacedust: it's 8.4 now
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3816 [22:57:52] <spacedust> but isnt that alpha ?
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3818 [22:57:56] <spacedust> i clicked on the debian main page :P
3819 [22:57:57] <markybob> spacedust: no
3820 [22:58:05] <spacedust> okay thanks
3821 [22:58:09] <markybob> spacedust: it was released yesterday. read /topic
3822 [22:58:12] <jelly> are the isos ready?
3823 [22:58:22] <markybob> yes
3824 [22:58:40] <spacedust> replaced-url
3825 [22:58:43] <spacedust> got it
3826 [22:58:49] <spacedust> markybob: just reading it
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3848 [23:04:22] <BinBasher> anyone else having problems with the module database cache in metasploit?
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3867 [23:10:56] <spacedust> can i just dd the netinst iso to a usb and boot ?
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3869 [23:11:12] <markybob> spacedust: sure. or cp image.iso /dev/sdX
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3880 [23:15:00] <spacedust> hmm
3881 [23:15:06] <spacedust> is that the same as dd if ...
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3883 [23:15:10] <spacedust> man :D thanks :D
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3890 [23:15:48] <spacedust> if i could find my usb
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3900 [23:18:34] <drmagoo> veXx: Any broken dependencies ? Check if there is anything in KDE settings (should be under System, then display) or try to change the resolution using xrandr...
3901 [23:18:43] <drmagoo> wrong window =(
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3981 [23:46:31] <odin__> Hello! ran "file on /bin/ls" and the sha1 does not agree with sha1sum?
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3991 [23:49:31] <odin__> Hello! ran "file on /bin/ls" and the sha1 does not agree with sha1sum?
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3997 [23:50:04] <Mathisen> hello folks, anyone willing to help me with one thing ? i need these perl libaries > replaced-url
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4001 [23:50:27] <grawity> odin__: huh? `file` doesn't print the sha1sum of /bin/ls
4002 [23:50:40] <grawity> all it prints, in this case, is a "BuildID"
4003 [23:50:56] <grawity> the sha1sum of all the *sources* combined
4004 [23:50:58] <odin__> On mine it does\
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4006 [23:51:09] <grawity> no it doesn't
4007 [23:51:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> Mathisen, not all may be packaged... but install apt-file and you can search the repos for files ("/msg dpkg apt-file" for details"
4008 [23:51:31] <CutMeOwnThroat> grawity, it prints a "buildID" sha1... whatever that is
4009 [23:51:38] <grawity> I know
4010 [23:51:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> odin__, you didn't ask a question, btw.
4011 [23:51:45] <grawity> but that's not the sha1 of /bin/ls
4012 [23:51:46] <odin__> I have run it before and it didn't but now it does
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4014 [23:51:52] <Mathisen> CutMeOwnThroat, thx will try that
4015 [23:51:55] <grawity> it's the sha1 of ls sources
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4017 [23:52:30] <Ouroboros> what does it mean again if all tx packets are dropped in ifconfig?
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4019 [23:52:37] <odin__> Thanks!
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4022 [23:52:57] <spacedust> markybob: i just tryed making the software raid
4023 [23:53:04] <spacedust> markybob: it says that all partitioning will be left as is
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4027 [23:53:34] <spacedust> markybob: can i make a gpt partition layoug with lvm + software raid ?
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4031 [23:54:34] <Mathisen> CutMeOwnThroat, thx this works perfect
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4039 [23:58:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> yw
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