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21 [00:13:11] <bmomjian> Should I have any Obsolete or Locally Created packages I don't know about in Aptitude on Jessie?
22 [00:14:12] <Brigo> bmomjian, normally you should know it, if not, try to delete them.
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24 [00:14:39] <bmomjian> ok, thanks, that's what I thought. This system was initially Squeeze. I think it kept them around in case something needed them.
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33 [00:17:55] <bmomjian> OK, all removed, thanks.
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44 [00:22:58] <transhuman_> trying an older kernel
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85 [00:46:51] <AcE-beta> hola
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93 [00:50:01] <awal1> Is the 'wdm' maintainer/developer around here?
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97 [00:53:29] <unborn> guys which apply to debian jessie in fstab? nofail or nobootwait?
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104 [00:56:14] <nkuttler> unborn: man 5 fstab
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108 [00:57:13] <defanor> does debian 8.3 netinst download anything if only a bare system with sshd is required? if it does, how much it downloads? also, replaced-url
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113 [00:58:51] <unborn> defanor: I think nope..
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115 [00:59:23] <unborn> its fastest install and I was able to install whole system without network
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118 [01:00:18] <defanor> unborn: that's nice, thanks
119 [01:00:52] <unborn> nkuttler: so its nofail.. can you just confirm please?
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123 [01:02:23] <markybob> defanor: btrfs is in there if you go manual. ext4 will simply be chosen by default.
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125 [01:03:14] <unborn> yeah nofail worked :) thanks nkuttler
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129 [01:04:17] <defanor> markybob: thanks
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141 [01:05:44] <AcE-beta> alguno de vosotros a pasado de windows con fakeraid a linux?
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144 [01:06:00] <markybob> !pt
145 [01:06:01] <dpkg> Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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272 [01:58:36] <jhutchins> Very strange. I keep loosing my mouse, and my keyboard has gone away several times.
273 [01:58:54] <jhutchins> I can click a mouse button and it comes back on.
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283 [02:02:20] <axc1298> what do you mean keyboard goes away?
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299 [02:11:03] <[BNC]dimitry7> hey guys
300 [02:11:16] <[BNC]dimitry7> is it possible to convert a 64-bit binany file into a 32-bit one?
301 [02:11:26] <[BNC]dimitry7> cos im getting this error: -su: /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_firebird: cannot execute binary file
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305 [02:13:15] <axc1298> why not just download the 32-bit version?
306 [02:13:24] <[BNC]dimitry7> it isn't available :S
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309 [02:13:44] <technohehl> I think it is not possible
310 [02:13:47] <axc1298> 64-bit won't work on 32 bit system unfortunately
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313 [02:14:25] <[BNC]dimitry7> okay :(, It's a pity
314 [02:14:30] <[BNC]dimitry7> thanks guys!
315 [02:14:56] <technohehl> Which software do u want to install?
316 [02:14:57] <Sir_Designer> [BNC]dimitry7 you may be able to get your hands on a source file and compile it to 32 bit target
317 [02:15:29] <themill> [BNC]dimitry7: you can run an i386 userspace on top of an amd64 kernel
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322 [02:16:26] <[BNC]dimitry7> Sir_Designer, yeah I'l try to find one I can compile
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324 [02:16:47] <karlpinc> jhutchins: Last time that happened to me it was a network switch going flaky between my box and my X server.
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326 [02:17:09] <[BNC]dimitry7> themill, the thing is that the hardware is 32 bit
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330 [02:17:21] <themill> that's never going to work then
331 [02:17:57] <[BNC]dimitry7> yeah :(
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334 [02:18:23] <[BNC]dimitry7> themill, i might monitor my service from another host, I'll do that :D
335 [02:18:31] <technohehl> [BNC]dimitry7, maybe there in eaqual software
336 [02:18:43] <[BNC]dimitry7> technohehl, yes maybe
337 [02:18:50] <themill> I'd also double check that it really is 32-bit-only. There's not much hardware that's been manufactured in the last 15 years that is.
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339 [02:19:10] <[BNC]dimitry7> themill, well, lscpu
340 [02:19:21] <[BNC]dimitry7> says: CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit
341 [02:19:22] <themill> (I'm assuming i386 vs amd64 here)
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343 [02:20:53] <themill> looking for the "lm" flag in /proc/cpuinfo or checking the processor specs based on the model would possibly be more reliable
344 [02:21:10] <[BNC]dimitry7> Oh yeah, you're right
345 [02:21:29] <[BNC]dimitry7> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid dca sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx lahf_lm ida arat xsaveopt pln pts dtherm t
346 [02:21:29] <[BNC]dimitry7> pr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid
347 [02:21:33] <[BNC]dimitry7> it's there
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349 [02:22:14] <simonlnu> there's that lahf_lm (what, it lahfs at the lm? O_o)
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352 [02:22:40] <[BNC]dimitry7> simonlnu, I don't understand you haha
353 [02:22:53] <simonlnu> (couldn't help it, had to make a joke with that ;)
354 [02:23:05] <[BNC]dimitry7> hahaha
355 [02:23:09] <themill> Still, changing kernel might be far more invasive than you want for setting up some monitoring
356 [02:23:13] * simonlnu shuts up and stops being distracting
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358 [02:23:44] <themill> .cookie simonlnu
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360 [02:23:52] <themill> EBOT
361 [02:24:05] <simonlnu> !cookie simonlnu
362 [02:24:06] <[BNC]dimitry7> haha, well yes. I'll monitor it from the other host
363 [02:24:07] * dpkg spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... ...
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365 [02:24:14] <[BNC]dimitry7> don't wanna mess up with the kernel
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370 [02:26:25] <simonlnu> yeah. i don't mess with things until i understand them enough. but sometimes i do, but then we learn from mistakes, too. :)
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372 [02:26:53] <simonlnu> (it's wise to listen to themill, he's got it)
373 [02:27:26] <[BNC]dimitry7> simonlnu, yeah, he's good, and I'll put your quote on my whats app!
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377 [02:29:45] <meta-x> Hello! How difficult is the process of building an old upstream of Python into a Debian binary?
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383 [02:32:18] <meta-x> I need IDLE running Python version 2.6.9. :(
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392 [02:34:46] <themill> meta-x: building your own stuff into /opt/ would be better than trying to mess with the packages. Make sure that python is nowhere on your $PATH though.
393 [02:34:56] <themill> (also, why on earth?)
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412 [02:43:49] <techrex> hey all
413 [02:44:21] <techrex> quick question
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416 [02:44:51] <techrex> How come Debian takes so long to unlock once the screen locks?
417 [02:45:05] <techrex> What is it that causes that?
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420 [02:46:22] <Spec> technohehl: mine is quick!
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429 [02:55:31] <meta-x> themill: Class purposes.
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510 [03:30:31] <roottoo> I have this problen with mpd
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513 [03:31:02] <roottoo> when I shutdown mpd hangs for 1.5 minute
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524 [03:32:18] <at0m> roottoo: what's with the nick change?
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530 [03:32:35] <at0m> time systemctl mpd stop
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536 [03:33:00] <at0m> you said it was mpd unrelated
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541 [03:33:11] <at0m> ... in #mpd
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546 [03:33:17] <roottoo> Unknown operation 'mpd'.
547 [03:33:17] <roottoo> real 0m0.007s
548 [03:33:17] <roottoo> user 0m0.000s
549 [03:33:17] <roottoo> sys 0m0.000s
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553 [03:33:46] <at0m> so mpd stops in 7µs. that's too long for you?
554 [03:33:54] <at0m> err ms
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556 [03:34:23] <roottoo> .
557 [03:34:42] <at0m> cut the mpd.
558 [03:34:43] <roottoo> .
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560 [03:34:51] <jmcnaught> roottoo: it would be "systemctl stop mpd" not "systemd mpd stop". also please use a paste site :)
561 [03:35:20] <roottoo> .
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564 [03:36:03] <roottoo> systemctl stop mpd does the job
565 [03:36:33] <roottoo> so I can make a script systemctl stop mpd && poweroff
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567 [03:37:24] <jmcnaught> roottoo: did you time it?
568 [03:37:30] <roottoo> no
569 [03:37:57] <roottoo> I can not powewroff at the moment because of a backup-task
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571 [03:38:26] <jmcnaught> roottoo: the suggestion was that you time how long it takes to stop mpd as a troubleshooting step
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575 [03:39:29] <roottoo> time is < 1 second
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577 [03:41:01] <Packet_Surf> sup roottoo
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579 [03:41:53] <roottoo> no not < 1 second
580 [03:42:13] <roottoo> keeps playing
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585 [03:43:51] <roottoo> systemctl stop mpd doesn't stop at all the music
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587 [03:45:11] <at0m> are you playing via mpd or moc?
588 [03:45:28] <roottoo> moc I don't use
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590 [03:45:31] <Packet_Surf> insnt there a mp123 or someting
591 [03:45:38] <Packet_Surf> its like console
592 [03:45:40] <roottoo> only mpd and gmpc
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594 [03:45:53] <roottoo> no mp123
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596 [03:46:04] <Packet_Surf> yeah thats pretty cool if u like console
597 [03:46:18] <markybob> it's mpg123 not mp123
598 [03:46:25] <at0m> roottoo: to play ugly, "killall -9 mpd" does stop the music ok?
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600 [03:46:37] <roottoo> long ago i used that
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603 [03:47:16] <roottoo> killall -9 mpd yes direct
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606 [03:47:58] <roottoo> mpd start it again luckely
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609 [03:48:40] <at0m> and your shutdown problem was?
610 [03:48:49] <roottoo> it hangs
611 [03:48:55] <roottoo> 1,5 minute
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614 [03:49:33] <RippyDippy> has anyone tried putting Alexa on Rasbian now that it's open source?
615 [03:49:35] <at0m> so i'd sytsemctl poweroff service by service, to monitor the times it takes
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618 [03:50:15] <roottoo> at0m are yo kidding?
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620 [03:50:48] <Packet_Surf> linux pi
621 [03:50:53] <Packet_Surf> isnt that the new thing
622 [03:50:53] <roottoo> it takes 1,5 minutes, although music stops within a second
623 [03:50:59] <at0m> roottoo: no, i'm having popcorn in the oven, and it starts to pop.
624 [03:51:38] <roottoo> have a nice break!
625 [03:51:40] <RippyDippy> Packet_Surf: I dunno, Amazon opened up their Alexa documentations so I went impulse shopping.
626 [03:52:01] <Packet_Surf> rasperry pi
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628 [03:52:10] <RippyDippy> Packet_Surf: Yes
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632 [03:52:38] <at0m> RippyDippy: #raspbian probably?
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634 [03:53:20] <at0m> and yes, i'm looking forward to native debian on the pi's.
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636 [03:53:35] <jmcnaught> i don't use mpd, but presumably it has logs that can be checked. enabling persistent journald and checking the end of the journal from the previous boot might also yield some clues
637 [03:53:38] <roottoo> native debian?
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641 [03:54:28] <at0m> jmcnaught: mpd does not seem to be the problem.
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643 [03:54:59] <roottoo> it is a systemd problem
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645 [03:55:25] <d3f4alt> yo
646 [03:55:32] <roottoo> 1.5 minutes is systemd
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657 [03:57:30] <asarch> Where is Texmacs?
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662 [03:59:51] <roottoo> I am connecting to #systemd
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668 [04:03:02] <asarch> Can you install an oldstable packate to a stable?
669 [04:03:16] <asarch> It seems that this is the only available package
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804 [05:02:51] <simonlnu> asarch: in texas?
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806 [05:03:25] <asarch> ?
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808 [05:03:37] <asarch> Texas?
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810 [05:03:56] <simonlnu> tex-mex, tex-emacs ... ok, bad joke
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812 [05:04:49] <simonlnu> i haven't seen texmacs in debian in a while. there's latex stuff for emacs, however
813 [05:04:59] <simonlnu> ,v texmacs
814 [05:05:00] <judd> Package: texmacs on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:1.0.7.4-3.1; wheezy: 1:1.0.7.15-2; experimental: 1:1.99.1-3
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816 [05:05:07] <simonlnu> oh, my mistake
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818 [05:05:17] <simonlnu> asarch: ^^^^
819 [05:05:25] <waterCreature> hi, how do i set up the wifi for wpa2 enterprise network
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821 [05:05:38] <simonlnu> not in jessie, stretch or sid though
822 [05:05:42] <asarch> lol :-D
823 [05:05:43] <waterCreature> i am following this linkreplaced-url
824 [05:05:45] <asarch> Thank you!
825 [05:05:50] <asarch> Thank you very much
826 [05:05:53] <simonlnu> np
827 [05:05:55] <markybob> waterCreature: replaced-url
828 [05:06:07] <asarch> Actually, all I need was to convert a file to LaTeX
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837 [05:11:20] <roottoo> ?
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842 [05:12:17] <roottoo> yes
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867 [05:36:02] <doubletwist> so in jessie, using open-iscsi and in /etc/iscsid I have node.startup=automatic but when I boot or restart the service it's not logging into the iscsi target
868 [05:36:08] <doubletwist> Not until I manually run iscsiadm -m node -l
869 [05:36:24] <doubletwist> what am I missing to get it to log in and connect to the iscsi target at boot?
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899 [05:55:47] <karlpinc> doubletwist: What does "systemctl status" say? In particular, is the service activated?
900 [05:56:00] <karlpinc> doubletwist: Perhaps see also the readme.debian.
901 [05:56:02] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
902 [05:56:02] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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913 [06:02:57] <dakotawhitis> Anyone else hate debian?
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958 [06:25:59] <dakotawhitis> Why did firefox have to be rebranded for Debian?
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961 [06:27:19] <TomTomTosch> dakotawhitis, it doesn't.
962 [06:28:00] <dakotawhitis> There wasn't a requirement? It seems strange for IceWeasel to be installed natively, instead of firefox
963 [06:28:16] <simonlnu> dakotawhitis: are you always that dumb?
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966 [06:29:36] <hank53> replaced-url
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994 [06:51:19] <gtristan> Hi, I'm trying to install F23 aarch64 with virt-manager on debian (it's debian stretch, but I doubt that's very relevant)... all I can find on the web are pages explaining how to do it on a fedora host
995 [06:51:57] <gtristan> so... I have the installer iso, and am launching virt-manager but am missing an uefi firmware for aarch64
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998 [06:53:03] <gtristan> I find some instructions for installing that firmware here: replaced-url
999 [06:53:22] <gtristan> any idea how I can install that same firmware for virt-install to find on debian ?
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1039 [07:15:49] <jmcnaught> gtristan: there is a qemu-system-arm package, it doesn't seem to have the UEFI firmware talked about in your link though. booting the VM with UEFI is the only option?
1040 [07:16:40] <gtristan> jmcnaught, the only option for running the installer yeah
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1047 [07:18:10] <gtristan> otherwise I need a disk image, which I dont really have (actually I'm trying to get a head start on this project which will involve real aarch64 hardware with F23 installed, just wanted to start work in advance of the server guys getting that thing started)
1048 [07:18:24] <gtristan> I find this: replaced-url
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1050 [07:18:40] <gtristan> which is the images apparently, but it comes in rpm-foo only it seems :-S
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1056 [07:21:42] <jmcnaught> gtristan: it looks like there are licensing issues with that EDK2 which is probably with neither Fedora or Debian include them. Maybe there's a third-party Debian repo with them somewhere, or you might be able to put them in /usr/local and craft a libvirt domain XML that uses them
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1061 [07:24:53] <jmcnaught> gtristan: replaced-url
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1064 [07:26:27] <jmcnaught> gtristan: there's also a ovmf package made from the same edk2 source package in sid
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1067 [07:27:02] <gtristan> looks like (from qemu.conf and related docs) all I am needing is AAVMF_CODE.fd and AAVMF_VARS.fd... not sure of those need to be built for my arch or what exactly...
1068 [07:27:05] * gtristan follows link
1069 [07:27:21] <gtristan> oh I have installed that indeed
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1072 [07:27:38] <gtristan> that gives me a /usr/share/qemu-efi/QEMU_EFI.fd
1073 [07:27:44] <hank53> oh i see iceweasel is being renamed to firefox again. glad to hear the issues with debian have been resolved
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1075 [07:29:14] <gtristan> ah interesting, there is the ovmf package available, but not the aavmf
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1082 [07:30:38] <d3f4alt> Yo
1083 [07:30:53] <d3f4alt> I have a bit of a problem with the debian install
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1085 [07:31:21] <d3f4alt> Its been stuck on scanning the mirror for like 15 mins now
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1087 [07:32:45] <jmcnaught> d3f4alt: does it look like it's making any progress? If you switch to tty4 with Alt+F4 (Ctrl+Alt+F4 in the graphical installer) there will be more details.
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1089 [07:33:29] <d3f4alt> Nope
1090 [07:33:36] <d3f4alt> Just sitting there
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1092 [07:34:16] <jmcnaught> d3f4alt: which iso are you using for the install? can you go back and choose a different mirror?
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1096 [07:34:43] <d3f4alt> Ill try one sec
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1098 [07:35:32] <d3f4alt> How do I exit tty4 modd
1099 [07:35:36] <d3f4alt> Mode*
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1102 [07:36:12] <d3f4alt> Wait nvm
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1104 [07:36:41] <d3f4alt> Got it
1105 [07:37:26] <d3f4alt> Tried to cancel, no luck so far
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1108 [07:37:58] <d3f4alt> I cant currently go back to get a new iso
1109 [07:38:16] <d3f4alt> I just burned it like 20 mins or so ago tho
1110 [07:38:32] <jmcnaught> d3f4alt: which ISO is it? A live cd? Jessie?
1111 [07:39:05] <d3f4alt> Its BunsenLabs Hydrogen, but its based off of jessie and yes it is a live cd
1112 [07:39:07] <gtristan> nope, edk2 project _only_ builds the open virtual machine firmware, which "enables UEFI support for Ia32 and X64 Virtual Machines" (/me guesses X64 is meant to be amd64/x86_64)
1113 [07:39:38] <gtristan> alright, looks like the aavmf is some obscure thing I cant even seem to find sources for :-/
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1115 [07:40:01] <jmcnaught> d3f4alt: derivatives aren't supported here, only Debian is. You'll need to check with the BunsenLabs support, or try using Debian instead :)
1116 [07:40:24] <d3f4alt> Ran out of disks sadly
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1119 [07:40:53] <jmcnaught> d3f4alt: you can use a USB stick, even a small one will do with the debian netinst image
1120 [07:41:08] <d3f4alt> Cant do rn
1121 [07:42:15] <jmcnaught> gtristan: those rpms you linked to earlier must have an upstream source they're built from
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1123 [07:42:26] <d3f4alt> My main computer just barfed all over and the hard drive is wiped, im trying to get back on to my laptop buy i cant seem to install anthing on it right now
1124 [07:42:44] <d3f4alt> Ive tried my other disk too, it had kali on it
1125 [07:43:15] <gtristan> jmcnaught, indeed, good point
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1128 [07:44:00] <gtristan> project origin is hard to track, maybe it's developed at redhat and as such lives upstream *as* an rpm
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1130 [07:44:23] <darxmurf> hi all
1131 [07:44:28] <jmcnaught> d3f4alt: that's too bad. you'll just have to wait for bunsenlabs support to get back to you, or wait until you can get another disk for a proper Debian installer image. If you check the Debian installation manual there are a few other install methods you could try, like installing Debian from an existing Linux system (a bit more difficult), or doing a PXE network boot. Anyways best of luck.
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1133 [07:44:49] <d3f4alt> Thanks
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1135 [07:45:50] <d3f4alt> People have said the debian community is horrible but im getting great support :D
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1143 [07:50:02] <d3f4alt> What desktop enviroment does debian use as a default?
1144 [07:50:33] <txdv> gnoaaam?
1145 [07:50:41] <d3f4alt> Okay
1146 [07:51:15] <jmcnaught> d3f4alt: the installer lets you choose from i think six different options, it picks gnome if you say you want a DE but don't pick a specific one
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1148 [07:51:46] <d3f4alt> jmcnaught: okay thanks
1149 [07:52:16] <d3f4alt> I would use gnome but its too slow on my laptop
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1151 [07:52:37] <d3f4alt> I need to get a new laptop badly
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1153 [07:54:00] <gtristan> omg
1154 [07:54:04] * gtristan palmface
1155 [07:54:07] <gtristan> replaced-url
1156 [07:54:14] <gtristan> when will these guys learn
1157 [07:54:38] <gtristan> list of patches, spec file, tarball of upstream edk2
1158 [07:54:43] <gtristan> jaysus
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1177 [08:04:45] <themill> d3f4alt: the desktop you use is the one you install; there isn't really much of a "default" and it doesn't really count for much.
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1234 [08:33:07] <Martyn> Hey, does anyone know why the Release file in squeeze-backports is no longer valid?
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1237 [08:33:37] <Martyn> "Valid-Until: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 09:02:33 UTC"
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1239 [08:34:22] <themill> Martyn: because squeeze is no longer a supported release
1240 [08:34:31] <Martyn> squeeze-lts
1241 [08:34:47] <themill> same answer
1242 [08:34:55] <Martyn> and even if it's not "supported" the Release file is automatically generated, isn't it?
1243 [08:35:01] <Martyn> because it's still on backports, and in mirrors
1244 [08:35:20] <themill> squeeze isn't on the mirrors any more and backports is scheduled for removal
1245 [08:35:51] <themill> (resources are removed from mirrors slowly so that they don't get confused by mass deletions)
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1251 [08:37:44] <Martyn> Well, crapo
1252 [08:37:50] <Martyn> glad I have a local mirror
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1306 [09:14:07] <themill> Martyn: I assume you realise that having a local mirror doesn't make it a supported release. The bonus 2 years of squeeze-lts (partial) security support was there to give you more time to move to wheezy with the intention that should all be completed at least a month ago (as per the advertised dates for support).
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1336 [09:28:46] <venkat_330> I have a debian 8 compiled binary and trying to run it under debian 6. When i try to ru nthe application i get an error : symbol lookup error : g_thread_create. (ldd -v info is attached). request some guidance. i am trying to maintain single binary across all debian platforms.
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1342 [09:29:58] <towo^work> venkat_330, i think, this will not work because of the different libstdcc++ versions
1343 [09:30:42] <towo^work> also the libc6 differs
1344 [09:31:03] <towo^work> and you can't run apps build against a new libc6 on older versions
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1347 [09:32:52] <venkat_330> towo^work: what is your opinion on vice-versa
1348 [09:33:40] <towo^work> build on the oldes system and hope it works on newer versions
1349 [09:33:45] <towo^work> *oldest
1350 [09:33:57] <venkat_330> so is there no scope for common binary across X86 (i386) versions
1351 [09:34:47] <towo^work> maybe a static linked version but i'm not a programmer
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1382 [09:46:49] <sep> good morning [UTC] ; i have a debian jessie with a xfs filesystem. the disk went fubar. so now my dmesg and syslog is filling with lines of " XFS (sdb1): xfs_log_force: error 5 returned." about 10 every second. how can i make xfs give up on this disk and just stop trying, without having to reboot? i tried xfs_io -x -c shutdown, but it wants a mountpoint and not a device;
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1399 [09:51:08] <atralheaven> Hi
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1401 [09:51:22] <atralheaven> I want to set a cronjob to be done everyday at 12AM, I used an online tool to generate it, it said "* 12 * * * command" but now its running the command every minute since 12AM!
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1413 [09:54:33] <themill> atralheaven: the first * means "every". Also 12 means 12pm (noon) not 12am (midnight).
1414 [09:55:34] <atralheaven> sorry, 12pm
1415 [09:55:50] <atralheaven> so I should enter 0 in minute?
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1417 [09:55:53] <themill> yeah, I guessed that -- English is silly.
1418 [09:55:55] <themill> yes
1419 [09:55:55] <sep> atralheaven, the numbers are "minutes hour day of month month day of week" 0 12 * * * is what you want
1420 [09:56:04] <atralheaven> thanks :)
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1444 [10:02:58] <sep> nobody know how to make linux stop trying to write the xfs log to a dead device ? " XFS (sdb1): xfs_log_force: error 5 returned." is looping 10 a second in syslog on a dead device
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1565 [10:38:44] <|DM|_> Hello, Im having an issue with dual-screen dimming
1566 [10:39:09] <|DM|_> At the login screen, the secondary screen is dimmed. Before, after I logged in that would revert
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1568 [10:39:21] <|DM|_> But now its permanently dimmed. I have tried restarting etc already.
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1573 [10:40:18] <|DM|_> Im using debian8/cinnamon
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1582 [10:44:09] <MrDetonia> How can I change the default python to be python3.4? Can I simply remove /usr/bin/python and symlink it to python3.4?
1583 [10:44:24] <|DM|_> yep
1584 [10:44:35] <MrDetonia> alright thanks; didn't want apt to shout at me
1585 [10:44:36] <themill> MrDetonia: no, don't do that
1586 [10:44:37] <|DM|_> or you could set an updatealternatives rule
1587 [10:44:38] <MrDetonia> oh
1588 [10:44:46] <MrDetonia> which updatealterns is it?
1589 [10:45:01] <|DM|_> none, you'd have to set the rule yourself
1590 [10:45:11] <MrDetonia> ah, okay I'll need to look into that
1591 [10:45:11] <themill> MrDetonia: Python 2 and Python 3 are not interchangeable.
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1593 [10:45:36] <themill> No, don't do that. You will break every single python using package.
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1595 [10:45:54] <themill> MrDetonia: what are you actually trying to achieve?
1596 [10:45:56] <MrDetonia> themill: I can try to remove python2 and see if I have stuff depending on it first
1597 [10:46:11] <MrDetonia> I just don't use python2
1598 [10:46:19] <MrDetonia> if it's going to break stuff I'll leave it as is though
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1601 [10:49:52] <MrDetonia> okay, new problem; pip defaults to 2.7
1602 [10:50:06] <MrDetonia> is there a way to make it use 3.4, or a 3.4 specific version?
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1606 [10:50:35] <themill> use pip3
1607 [10:50:46] <MrDetonia> command not found
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1609 [10:51:02] <themill> install it -- python3-pip
1610 [10:51:18] <MrDetonia> ah, that's what tripped me up
1611 [10:51:25] <MrDetonia> I was searching for python-pip
1612 [10:51:36] <themill> that would be the Python 2 package
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1615 [10:52:53] <MrDetonia> k, all working now; thanks
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1637 [10:57:54] <MaBunny> hey guys
1638 [10:58:12] <MaBunny> so,i installed a firewall called apf-firewall
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1640 [10:58:37] <MaBunny> i also checked its config file,and made necessary changes
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1643 [10:59:01] <MaBunny> but when i start the firewall,it doesnt show up on my system monitor
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1645 [10:59:14] <MaBunny> do you guys hav tried using it b4?
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1651 [11:00:44] <MaBunny> i just checked now,i had listed irc.freenode.net to connect to only in the firewall
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1657 [11:01:29] <MaBunny> oh leave it,i didnt block tht address anyways
1658 [11:01:46] <MaBunny> but why isnt it showing up in my system monitor,pls tell
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1666 [11:07:04] <Rephlexie> add 'SET_VERBOSE' to the conf and tail the log
1667 [11:07:13] <MaBunny> ok
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1669 [11:07:44] <MaBunny> set verbose is enabled
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1671 [11:08:08] <MaBunny> i want to "see" the program running
1672 [11:08:09] <hanshenrik__> i have a bunch of files i want to add to a tarball, with folder paths intact, any easy way to do that?
1673 [11:08:18] <hanshenrik__> i find the files like this: find / | grep -i initrd
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1675 [11:08:29] <hanshenrik__> then all the files filepaths go to stdout
1676 [11:08:38] <themill> MaBunny: what do you want to see and why do you think there is anything to see?
1677 [11:08:46] <MaBunny> tar -czvf ./this ./foo newtar.tar.gz
1678 [11:09:05] <Rephlexie> MaBunny, there are some others, the readme is really detailed for once
1679 [11:09:12] <hanshenrik__> tar -czvf $(find / | grep -i initrd)
1680 [11:09:13] <hanshenrik__> maybe?
1681 [11:09:25] <MaBunny> well,i think the apf-firewall isnt running
1682 [11:09:33] <hanshenrik__> tar -czvf $(find / | grep -i initrd) newtar.tar.gz
1683 [11:09:43] <MaBunny> idk
1684 [11:09:44] <themill> MaBunny: what should be "running"?
1685 [11:09:55] <MaBunny> apf-firewall,when i start it
1686 [11:10:15] <themill> why? a firewall is a set of rules
1687 [11:10:38] <themill> hanshenrik__: tar's --files-from option will be useful for you
1688 [11:10:50] <MaBunny> i typeapf -s and it shows it has started up,but the program isnt shown on the system monitor
1689 [11:11:09] <themill> it shows that the firewall rules were loaded
1690 [11:11:28] <MaBunny> then it has started,right?
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1703 [11:20:04] <Urchin> MaBunny: firewall isn't an app on linux
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1707 [11:20:25] <MaBunny> oh,i see
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1709 [11:20:35] <MaBunny> so what is it?
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1711 [11:21:32] <Urchin> replaced-url
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1713 [11:21:41] <Urchin> replaced-url
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1715 [11:22:30] <Urchin> it's really something that kernel does
1716 [11:22:36] <Rephlexie> you try running it via init.d/apf start etc etc?
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1718 [11:23:04] <MaBunny> yes,apf -s
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1720 [11:23:33] <user_9753> replaced-url
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1723 [11:23:57] <no_gravity> Hello! I wonder why I have packet loss between my computer and my wifi router. How would you guys go about debuggin this?
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1759 [11:41:49] <venkat_330> is there any GTK-3 pre compiled deb package avaiable for debian 6
1760 [11:41:51] <venkat_330> ??
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1768 [11:43:22] <sleepypikachu> I have a server on localhost, I'd like to expose that server so it's accessible on the same port on my eth1 interface. How can I achieve this?
1769 [11:43:26] <hanshenrik__> what exactly is "loading ramdisk"?
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1772 [11:43:38] <hanshenrik__> when botting, coming at "loading ramdisk", and it just freeze forever
1773 [11:43:41] <hanshenrik__> booting*
1774 [11:44:02] <hanshenrik__> wups
1775 [11:44:06] <hanshenrik__> "loading initial ramdisk"
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1777 [11:44:45] <hanshenrik__> venkat_330, im sure the old repos are still around, even though the urls have changed
1778 [11:44:57] <sleepypikachu> hanshenrik__: I ramdisk is a virtual file system which lives in memory.
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1782 [11:45:04] <hanshenrik__> the official debian 6 repos was closed like 6 days ago though
1783 [11:45:07] <deanc> Hi. Im having troubles running an apt-get update: replaced-url
1784 [11:45:16] <hanshenrik__> or 4 days? not sure
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1787 [11:45:33] <hanshenrik__> or at least moved to a different url
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1790 [11:45:54] <hanshenrik__> sleepypikachu, yeah
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1792 [11:46:03] <hanshenrik__> any idea why it would freeze at that point in booting tho?
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1796 [11:47:11] <infratom> Can I download from paste.debian.net, or can I only copy/paste?
1797 [11:47:27] <sleepypikachu> hanshenrik__: Perhaps the disk is corrupt? That's a guess though.
1798 [11:47:29] <hanshenrik__> infratom, you can wget the "raw" url
1799 [11:47:36] <hanshenrik__> sleepypikachu, no that ain't it
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1803 [11:47:51] <venkat_330> hanshenrik__: can you give me deb 6 repos link please
1804 [11:47:52] <hanshenrik__> when i install it from the hosting providers package, everything is fine, and i have the same problem on 2x servers
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1807 [11:48:45] <hanshenrik__> venkat_330, sorry, i don't know any, but google it, perhaps "debian 6 repo mirror"
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1809 [11:49:05] <infratom> hanshenrik__: Ah, how to I get the raw url?
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1811 [11:49:24] <hanshenrik__> infratom, how do you upload it? using pastebinit or the web interface?
1812 [11:49:51] <infratom> hanshenrik__: I usually just pastebinit, but this is from someone else
1813 [11:50:10] <hanshenrik__> i modified pastebinit to give the raw url instead by default -
1814 [11:50:20] <hanshenrik__> also note that the paste.debian.org maintainer is a lazy idiot
1815 [11:50:23] <hanshenrik__> or bastard
1816 [11:50:32] <hanshenrik__> probably both
1817 [11:50:43] <hanshenrik__> brb
1818 [11:50:50] <infratom> hanshenrik__: Ah doh :) So any way I can convert the plain url I have recieved to raw?
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1821 [11:51:23] <jelly> dpkg, tell venkat_330 about squeeze sources.list
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1823 [11:51:51] <hanshenrik__> infratom, yes, open the url in your browser, you will see a "raw" button, copy the url of the raw button
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1825 [11:52:18] <hanshenrik__> alternatively... curl url | grep -i "/raw"
1826 [11:52:24] <hanshenrik__> should also work i guess
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1833 [11:53:07] <infratom> hanshenrik__: Ah crap, uMatrix must have been hiding it - Sorry for the noise :)
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1835 [11:53:34] <infratom> hanshenrik__: That or I am blind
1836 [11:53:38] <themill> hanshenrik__: it's paste.debian.net and you'd be well advised to stick to things you know about
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1838 [11:54:58] <hanshenrik__> themill, what i know about paste.debian.net is that 1: you MUST have newlines in whatever you paste, or you will get an error "thanks to some spammers, newlines are now required", sure you can force newlines to any paste you upload, but it borders on data corruption
1839 [11:55:22] <hanshenrik__> themill, 2: it has a high false positive "spam detect", with a "if this was a false positive, please contact <mail>"
1840 [11:55:28] <hanshenrik__> the guy never responds
1841 [11:55:35] <hanshenrik__> been like that for over 2 years
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1843 [11:55:50] <infratom> hanshenrik__: lol, yup uMatrix blocked those links - sorry ;)
1844 [11:56:00] <themill> hanshenrik__: if it's one line, it doesn't need a pastebin.
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1846 [11:56:40] <themill> and in the many thousands of times I've used it, it has never incorrectly flagged anything of mine as spam; your different experience does not mean that the maintainer is lazy or anything else though
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1850 [11:58:13] <hanshenrik__> have you ever pastedbined anything that contains urls?
1851 [11:58:22] <hanshenrik__> i think that's what the spam detect has most problems with
1852 [11:58:34] <themill> sure
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1856 [12:00:09] <MaBunny> hey guys
1857 [12:00:32] <hanshenrik__> ><themill> and in the many thousands of times I've used it, it has never incorrectly flagged anything of mine as spam; your different experience does not mean that the maintainer is lazy or anything else though
1858 [12:00:34] <hanshenrik__> that's amazing
1859 [12:00:40] <MaBunny> is thereany free upto-date antivirus software i can use on debian?
1860 [12:00:54] <themill> hanshenrik__: the last part of that point is the most important, by the way
1861 [12:00:57] <jelly> MaBunny: there's the usual clamav
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1864 [12:01:08] <MaBunny> is it upto-date?
1865 [12:01:23] <jelly> an outdated AV would be useless
1866 [12:01:48] <hanshenrik__> themill, using newliens as a way to block malicious users, that sounds pretty stupid to me
1867 [12:01:56] <MaBunny> i hav used a prev version of kaspersky of the 2011 version
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1869 [12:02:22] <MaBunny> wheres the clamav package,in the repos?
1870 [12:02:44] <jelly> MaBunny: yes.
1871 [12:02:50] <MaBunny> ok
1872 [12:03:37] <jelly> see also clamav-unofficial-sigs
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1874 [12:04:17] <MaBunny> is tht a package?
1875 [12:04:31] <cooldharma06> 1hi all
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1881 [12:05:01] <cooldharma06> i am trying to connect my remote machine via vncserver i am able to see only grey screen
1882 [12:05:06] <cooldharma06> any suggestions
1883 [12:05:20] <themill> cooldharma06: how about the ones that jm_ made?
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1886 [12:06:28] <cooldharma06> i am reading that one also
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1892 [12:08:28] <cooldharma06> themil they told to edit ~/.vnc/startup script
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1897 [12:11:24] <cooldharma06> sorry i reinstalled tightvncserver its working fine..:-D
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1900 [12:12:39] <MaBunny> Rephlexie,by the way how do i set apf to let incoming conns from only "this" set of conns
1901 [12:12:56] <MaBunny> and block all the rest of them,can you tell me?
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1903 [12:13:36] <MaBunny> is it has something to do with the ip mask/thing?
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1911 [12:16:54] <Rephlexie> pretty sure the statefull rules will help you with that.
1912 [12:17:41] <MaBunny> well,can you hint me on how to set a "range" in the flag option of the apf conf file
1913 [12:18:01] <MaBunny> like 000.000.000.000 to 255.255.255.255
1914 [12:18:26] <MaBunny> something like tht,i dont kno too much of networks,also i checked their website
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1918 [12:20:34] <Rephlexie> should be an allow .rules in your /etc/apf
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1923 [12:22:04] <Rephlexie> apf -a 192.168.1.0/24 "LAN" might work too
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1925 [12:22:48] <Rephlexie> shootin in the dark though, not the best at IPTABLE rules heh :D
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1927 [12:22:58] <MaBunny> yeah
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1938 [12:28:49] <MaBunny> theres a thing about tcp/udp ports,but i cant find the one about ip addresses
1939 [12:28:59] <MaBunny> in the conf.apf file
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1941 [12:30:26] <MaBunny> hey Rephlexie,what does TCR_PORTS do?
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1943 [12:31:14] <Rephlexie> Traceroute options
1944 [12:31:24] <MaBunny> whats tht?
1945 [12:31:54] <Rephlexie> network tool,
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1947 [12:33:05] <MaBunny> well,does it allow to block ip addresses in a range?
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1950 [12:34:43] <MaBunny> or should i just block a address by apf -d thisthingie.com/xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
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1957 [12:37:49] <Rephlexie> i dont quite know how apf generates its rules. I have a script that runs daily and blocks everything from a huge list.
1958 [12:38:13] <MaBunny> ok,is it in python?
1959 [12:38:27] <Rephlexie> nope on my mikrotik router.
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2050 [13:27:52] <tux_cat> is it good practice using a newer kernel from the jessie-backports?
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2052 [13:29:06] <rozie> tux_cat: no. because "don't fix it if it ain't broken"
2053 [13:29:26] <ksk> tux_cat: Im not a friend of backports, but in general you can run debian with another kernel (with some restrictions..)
2054 [13:29:26] <tux_cat> rozie, it's an old kernel though
2055 [13:29:47] <tux_cat> also my wifi is a bit flakey with the stock kernel
2056 [13:29:58] <sypher> tux_cat: No, it's an old version number. Security updates and so forth are backported already.
2057 [13:30:01] <donoban> tux_cat: if you don't need any freature / hardware support, you don't get too much benefit swtiching kernel
2058 [13:30:10] <rozie> oh. if it's desktop and you have real need to upgrade - sure, go ahead
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2060 [13:31:07] <rozie> I even run kernels from unstable on my work desktop (with stable kernel as fallback)
2061 [13:31:23] <rozie> and full unstable on my private desktop
2062 [13:31:25] <tux_cat> why does it take ages for debian to update it's kernel though?
2063 [13:31:48] <tux_cat> and what happens if the stock kernel is not fit for purpose
2064 [13:32:00] <rozie> that's because of policy of not changing package version after release of stable
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2067 [13:32:15] <tux_cat> which is kinda ridiculous as a policy
2068 [13:32:30] <rozie> no it's not
2069 [13:32:47] <tux_cat> i mean, kernel version should be updated more regularly than other packages
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2071 [13:33:00] <rozie> and I see no problem in using newer kernel verison *if needed*
2072 [13:33:00] <donoban> why?
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2077 [13:34:00] <donoban> I think just opposite, the kernel is one piece of software with more capacity of having side effects
2078 [13:34:24] <donoban> update your music player or chat software everyday if you want, it won't break too much if something goes wrong
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2100 [13:51:39] <malademental> Hey #debian, I bought a new wireless mouse for my laptop but I can't use it. That's what syslog says when I plug it in : replaced-url
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2115 [13:56:13] <zinx> malademental: it has an invalid report descriptor...
2116 [13:56:48] <malademental> zinx: Should I ask on the "invalid report" channel so?
2117 [13:57:08] <zinx> malademental: you can browse replaced-url
2118 [13:57:21] <malademental> ow yeah
2119 [13:57:42] <malademental> the device is broken on gnu/linux only
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2122 [13:57:48] <malademental> should I precise
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2127 [13:59:04] <zinx> malademental: no, the device is broken everywhere, it just happens to work on some other OSs :P
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2129 [13:59:32] <malademental> Muhaha
2130 [13:59:45] <malademental> I'll never buy that kind of crap again
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2167 [14:13:43] <ChrisH> I am seeing issues with Windows 10 exported shares, when accessing from Debian as client via /usr/bin/smbclient "\\\\SYSTEM\\SHARE" -U username -E -W workgroup
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2171 [14:14:42] <ChrisH> I can connect but ls or du fail with "cli_list: Error: unable to parse name from info level 260" On previous Win7 it worked. Anyone to confirm this? I did not find any bug report or similar, so far.
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2211 [14:34:47] <wewlad> hello debs, could you advise a GUI-based ftp client?
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2229 [14:43:26] <ksk> !tell wewlad about ftp
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2231 [14:43:42] <ksk> eh, not exactly
2232 [14:43:51] <wewlad> yeah
2233 [14:43:54] <ksk> !tell wewlad about ftp must die
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2236 [14:44:09] <wewlad> ksk: that's not helpful
2237 [14:44:12] <spleen> Hi all. What is the path to access to the file that we open when we run crontab -e ?
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2239 [14:44:44] <themill> spleen: it's a temp file
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2243 [14:45:48] <spleen> themill, i need to modify for more than 100 remote server crontab -e... so where is it ?
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2248 [14:46:30] <themill> spleen: you can pipe from and too crontab -e
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2254 [14:47:24] <themill> the file open in the editor is not a useful thing to know as it will be different every time
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2256 [14:47:54] <spleen> themill, how could i use sed over crontab -e ?
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2260 [14:48:50] <themill> crontab -l | stuff | crontab - (as per the man page)
2261 [14:48:56] <ksk> wewlad: why istn that helpful? Use ssh/scp and if you need a GUI tool for them ask google?
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2263 [14:49:14] <themill> You can always munge with /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ if you want (but that's not what you asked)
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2267 [14:49:48] <wewlad> ksk: my site hosting provider only grants ftp access, I know it's insecure, but that's what I have to work with
2268 [14:49:54] <wewlad> nvm
2269 [14:50:06] <wewlad> figured out dolphin understands ftp
2270 [14:50:09] <ksk> :)
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2275 [14:51:43] <txdv> sftp or plain ftp?
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2277 [14:51:49] <wewlad> plain ftp :(
2278 [14:52:07] <ksk> sftp is not ftp, you wanted to say ftps ;)
2279 [14:52:16] <ksk> or fptes, that depends :D
2280 [14:52:18] <wewlad> yeah
2281 [14:52:25] <wewlad> neither sftp, nor ftps
2282 [14:52:31] <wewlad> nor ssh
2283 [14:52:58] <themill> find someone else to give money
2284 [14:53:37] <wewlad> how does file ownership work when a file is being transferred?
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2287 [14:54:27] <ChrisH> wewlad:depends on a) transfer protocol b) setting on remote side
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2289 [14:54:43] <wewlad> ChrisH: 1) ftp 2) dunno how
2290 [14:55:15] <hanshenrik__> themill, check your PMs?
2291 [14:55:32] <ksk> wewlad: the ftp user you login with is probably mapped to a systemuser thats used to create all the files
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2295 [14:56:17] <themill> hanshenrik__: why? there was nothing to discuss.
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2297 [14:56:33] <hanshenrik__> i asked you a question and you didn't answer :p
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2299 [14:57:00] <ChrisH> wewlad: several ftpd allow lots of options to fake user/login combinations beeing mapped to different OS users
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2311 [15:01:15] <balance> hi
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2316 [15:03:31] <balance> why should running a bat file result in never ending stream of the message find: `sudo': No such file or directory
2317 [15:03:31] <balance> ?
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2321 [15:04:19] <babilen> bat file?
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2324 [15:05:03] <pfote> guess he means a shell script :-)
2325 [15:05:20] <balance> I mean, does the error msg say sudo is not found or is it saying: sudo isn't finding? babilen pfote yes - it's form my cms for setting permissions.
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2328 [15:06:25] <babilen> balance: So you have a script of some sort (could you paste that?) and you are running it with a specific command (which?) and the result are messages such as "sudo': No such file or directory" ?
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2330 [15:06:40] <babilen> My guess would be that you don't have sudo installed or that the script can't find it
2331 [15:06:43] <babilen> But who knows?
2332 [15:06:48] <zwe6383> i guess it is some find ... -exec sudo ... thing
2333 [15:06:56] <balance> babilen, I'll make a proper paste
2334 [15:07:08] <babilen> zwe6383: Indeed
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2343 [15:14:26] <balance> babilen, replaced-url
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2345 [15:14:46] <balance> babilen, line 88 is something what zwe6383 said
2346 [15:15:13] <babilen> So .. do you have sudo installed?
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2349 [15:17:10] <balance> babilen, nope - but that's weird. I know that other run that script before maybe it's not available for me. I'll check that - thanks!
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2371 [15:19:16] <_0x5eb_> hi, is there something preventing an installed package to generate a coredump? I could have my own programs generate coredumps but not system installed ones
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2379 [15:19:57] <_0x5eb_> (trying to make isisd from quagga generate a coredump on assertion-caused abort)
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2412 [15:23:47] <fred1807> I on last debian with lxde. how do I kill all the lxde/gui/openbox stuff, to have only terminal?
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2419 [15:26:19] <ksk> fred1807: try service xdm stop. dont really know if lxde used xdm, might be another login manager
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2422 [15:27:03] <fred1807> ksk, killing the login manager will kill xorg and everything else?
2423 [15:27:20] <rozie> fred1807: what do you want exactly to achieve?
2424 [15:27:25] <ksk> Im not the desktop kind of guy but Id think so.
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2426 [15:27:34] <rozie> you can uninstall xorg etc. and reboot
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2429 [15:28:09] <rozie> but if you want to get terminal (not lxterminal, konsole etc.) just press ctrl-alt-f1
2430 [15:28:39] <rozie> depends if you want to have this change made permanent or not
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2432 [15:29:50] <bittin> New Copiers at work is running Debian :)
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2434 [15:31:14] <fred1807> rozie, I want to experience Debian in a command line only way... This machine is too slow for GUI and I am only doing some rsync stuff
2435 [15:31:14] <fred1807> rozie, will this free the RAM memory used by xorg?
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2438 [15:31:15] <fred1807> rozie, I would like to keep lxde enviroment just in case
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2440 [15:31:38] <ChrisH> I am seeing issues with Windows 10 exported shares, when accessing from Debian as client via /usr/bin/smbclient "\\\\SYSTEM\\SHARE" -U username -E -W workgroup ; I can connect but ls or du fail with "cli_list: Error: unable to parse name from info level 260" On previous Win7 it worked. Anyone to confirm this? I did not find any bug report or similar, so far.
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2443 [15:32:07] <zwe6383> fred1807: if the X server goes away so do the X applications connected to it
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2446 [15:32:36] <thurstylark> fred1807: yes, if you disable the DM (login manager) you can keep it from starting X and using resources.
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2450 [15:33:13] <rozie> probably using rcconf (or equivalent) to prevent running x11 and your login manager, then reboot will be easiest and semi persistent
2451 [15:33:28] <rozie> ctrl-alt-f1 just switches to the other console
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2453 [15:33:41] <rozie> BTW what is your hardware?
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2457 [15:34:05] <thurstylark> if you're running wheezy, use systemctl disable unitname
2458 [15:34:06] <rozie> I was running lxde on 1GHz PIII with 1 GB RAM and it was fine
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2460 [15:34:36] <rozie> it was also fine on Athlon XP 1800+ with less than 512 MB of RAM
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2479 [15:38:07] <jamesl> How to make debian Jessie boot into runelevel S from startup? I know I can do sudo init S but I need to boot into it from the start. Is there a kernel command line parameter I can change?
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2483 [15:39:26] <jelly> jamesl: does appending " single" to the kernel boot parameters work?
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2486 [15:39:45] <jamesl> That's what I was looking for, a kernel boot parameter. Thanks.
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2489 [15:41:38] <jamesl> and is init executed in single-user mode? I'm wrting a custom init script and need to see what resources are available
2490 [15:43:06] <jelly> jamesl: which init system are you using
2491 [15:43:25] <jelly> systemd doesn't really have runlevels
2492 [15:43:25] <thurstylark> jamesl is on jessie, so systemd
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2494 [15:43:37] <jelly> thurstylark: ", so" isn't necessarily so
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2496 [15:43:54] <thurstylark> eh?
2497 [15:44:01] <jamesl> I am using systemd, although you shouldn't assume, it is possible to use Upstart instead.
2498 [15:44:03] <jelly> thurstylark: systemd is merely the default
2499 [15:44:19] <thurstylark> ha
2500 [15:44:20] <jelly> or sysvinit.
2501 [15:44:22] <thurstylark> *ah
2502 [15:44:32] <jelly> which does have a notion of runlevels
2503 [15:44:38] <thurstylark> nvm, then. butting out :P
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2505 [15:44:57] <jamesl> but I do have runlevels, I can type "sudo init S" and it brings it down to single user.
2506 [15:45:18] <jelly> jamesl: that's just systemd-sysv compatibility
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2509 [15:46:20] <jamesl> okay. Well anyway, if I boot into single user and /dev/ttyAMA0 is there, does that mean it will be there for init to use. My custom init script requires it.
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2529 [15:56:48] <jelly> jamesl: as long as the hardware and the driver is present... probably?
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2535 [15:59:02] <bmomjian> I would like to mkfs my root partition to switch it from ext3 to ext4 on Jessie. I know I can use tune2fs, but that is not as good as mkfs. How do I do that? I assume I boot from a Debian CD and copy the root filesystem with something like replaced-url
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2544 [16:03:54] <thurstylark> I've never heard that. why would mkfs be better than tune2fs?
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2547 [16:05:04] <Martyn> Good morning all
2548 [16:05:07] <sypher> thurstylark: I think that an ext3 fs converted to an ext4 fs can't use extents the way a natively-formatted ext4 fs can. But that may be old information no longer valid.
2549 [16:05:14] <Martyn> So, since squeeze, squeeze-lts, and squeeze-backports are no longer supported ... how long do I have to mirror squeeze-backports locally before it's gone from the mirrors?
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2558 [16:06:24] <sypher> thurstylark: And kernel.org actually recomments the way bmomjian wants to do it.
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2560 [16:06:38] <thurstylark> huh. good to know.
2561 [16:07:04] <bmomjian> and I figure I should _know_ how to do this, for disaster recovery.
2562 [16:07:12] <bmomjian> not good learning it during a disaster.
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2565 [16:08:05] <sypher> bmomjian: Check out the '--one-file-system' option to tar. :)
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2568 [16:09:05] <sypher> bmomjian: Might greatly simplify your work.
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2572 [16:11:09] <jelly> Martyn: squeeze-backports seems to already be archived and present under replaced-url
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2577 [16:12:18] <bmomjian> I already did this for my non-boot file systems. sypher: --one-file-system does look useful.
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2580 [16:12:28] <bmomjian> I know 'find' has that option too.
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2598 [16:16:41] <wewlad> what's going on with my dolphin?
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2600 [16:16:55] <wewlad> I run it - it opens fine, but I clicks do nothing!
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2602 [16:17:18] <wewlad> but clicks*
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2604 [16:17:30] <wewlad> I can only close the whole window
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2606 [16:17:39] <wewlad> but closing and re-opening it - doesn't help
2607 [16:17:48] <wewlad> nothing in that window responds to clicks! wtf?
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2610 [16:18:36] <wewlad> keyboard events work fine though
2611 [16:18:43] <wewlad> same with konqueror
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2614 [16:20:15] <jamesl> what is the aptitude command where you enter the command name and it tells you which package it's from, ie if you gave "ls" as its argument it would respond "coreutils" is there such a command?
2615 [16:20:52] <sypher> jamesl: I use apt-file for that.
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2620 [16:22:55] <jamesl> sypher: apt-file is not installed in my system, is there an aptitude command that does the same thing?
2621 [16:23:04] <jelly> jamesl: there's command-not-found but it's a shell addition, not aptitude
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2623 [16:23:16] <WallabyJenkins> is there any way to check for recently created files? I am running a python script and can’t find a file it creates so Im wondering if its creating the file and just the path where its storing it is wrong?
2624 [16:23:22] <jelly> ,i command-not-found
2625 [16:23:23] <judd> Package command-not-found (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions. Version: 0.2.38-1; Size: 12.7k; Installed: 144k
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2628 [16:24:04] <sypher> WallabyJenkins: find can accept a ctime parameter that can find you files created within the last X time interval.
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2630 [16:24:08] <sypher> WallabyJenkins: 'man find' for more.
2631 [16:24:13] <WallabyJenkins> sypher: thanks!
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2633 [16:24:23] <sypher> WallabyJenkins: (Mostly because I forget the exact syntax.)
2634 [16:24:29] <WallabyJenkins> hehe no problem mate
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2636 [16:25:04] <jelly> jamesl: or use packages.debian.org, or ask the bot: /msg judd file /tetris-bsd
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2638 [16:25:51] * sypher notes that for future reference...
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2643 [16:28:57] <WallabyJenkins> sypher: -mmin -# is how you do it btw in case you’re curious ;D
2644 [16:29:01] <WallabyJenkins> thanks again
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2647 [16:29:57] <sypher> WallabyJenkins: Yeah, that thing. :P
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2656 [16:33:12] <WallabyJenkins> also, if i change crontab I know sudo service cron restart sucessfully incorporates the change, what if i chagne /etc/crontab instead?
2657 [16:33:31] <WallabyJenkins> do i need a server reboot or is restarting cron fine?
2658 [16:33:54] <Martyn> okay, reprepro is now busy making me a local mirror of squeeze-backports
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2663 [16:35:17] <WallabyJenkins> IT WORKED
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2672 [16:37:24] <jelly> WallabyJenkins: you don't even need to restart the cron service, just wait up to two minutes. On the next minute, crond just notices the updates and loade them. Minute after that it executes the new jobs if their schedule has come
2673 [16:37:45] <WallabyJenkins> oh wow, thanks for the tip
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2696 [16:47:52] <bmomjian> So any idea on what I need to do to grub for a mkfs on the boot drive?
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2723 [17:02:06] <balance1> hi
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2728 [17:03:33] <sunnid> o/
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2732 [17:03:57] <balance1> how can I disbale acl? (btw, debianhelp.co.uk got hacked, if that is an official site)
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2760 [17:14:16] <gebbione> anyone can suggest how to find php5-mbstring on debian? i can only install it as part of libapache2-mod-php5 but this also installs apache and i dont need it
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2789 [17:24:53] <jelly> ,v php5-mbstring
2790 [17:24:54] <judd> No package named 'php5-mbstring' was found in amd64.
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2794 [17:26:13] <jelly> gebbione: look at the description of whichever php interpreter package you're using, it's probably already there
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2799 [17:27:42] <gebbione> jelly: it suggests to recompile php with the option enabled or install a package that also installs apache library but i dont need that. Basically there is not packaged solution from the install page for what i need :.
2800 [17:27:45] <gebbione> :/
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2811 [17:30:15] <jelly> gebbione: which php package are you using?
2812 [17:30:50] <jelly> gebbione: what suggests to recompile? which debian release are you on?
2813 [17:31:24] <gebbione> i need mbstring, on debian it is available in libapache2-mod-php5 but i dont need all the apache stuff in there
2814 [17:31:56] <jelly> gebbione: it's also available in all the other builds of php interpreter.
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2817 [17:32:00] <gebbione> i am on Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l
2818 [17:32:09] <jelly> gebbione: take a look: apt-cache show php5-cli
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2820 [17:32:24] <jelly> gebbione: read the description
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2827 [17:33:44] <jelly> same thing with any of php5-cgi php5-cli php5-fpm libphp5-embed libapache2-mod-php5
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2832 [17:34:41] <gebbione> jelly: i dont see it in the description
2833 [17:34:46] <gebbione> where do you see mbstring
2834 [17:35:18] <markybob> gebbione: he told you. "the following extensions are built in"
2835 [17:35:29] <markybob> gebbione: it includes mbstring in php5-cli
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2841 [17:36:58] <jelly> gebbione: apt-cache show php5-cli | grep --color mbstring
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2843 [17:37:40] <gebbione> jelly: on my machine it returns nothing with apt-cache show php5-cli | grep mbstring
2844 [17:38:41] <jelly> gebbione: hm, maybe you're looking at a non-English locale with an incorrect Description
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2846 [17:38:52] <jelly> gebbione: LC_ALL=C apt-cache show php5-cli
2847 [17:39:01] <jelly> gebbione: pastebin the output of that
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2857 [17:41:37] <gebbione> jelly: replaced-url
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2859 [17:42:23] <gebbione> BRB
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2862 [17:42:50] <jelly> gebbione: interesting, for some reason you don't get the long description. Anyhow, install and try it.
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2886 [17:45:40] <jelly> gebbione: php5 -r 'echo mb_detect_encoding("ćevapčići")."\n";'
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2888 [17:47:52] <bmomjian> It seems I have to boot from cdrom, and once the mkfs is done and the data restored, I have to chroot to the new partition and run update-grub, grub-install, and grub-install --recheck. Kind of tricky.
2889 [17:48:22] <gebbione> jelly: this returns `no` -> `php -r ' if( function_exists("mb_check_encoding") ){echo "yes";}else{echo "no";};'`
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2891 [17:48:36] <gebbione> :/
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2893 [17:48:51] <jelly> gebbione: php5
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2895 [17:49:14] <jelly> gebbione: what does this say? dpkg -S $(readlink -g $(which php))
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2898 [17:49:54] <jelly> gebbione: maybe you have a leftover custom php binary somewhere
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2901 [17:50:18] <jelly> gebbione: sorry, dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which php))
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2905 [17:50:37] <gebbione> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/local/bin/php
2906 [17:50:44] <jelly> BINGO
2907 [17:50:49] <gebbione> this is weird :/
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2909 [17:50:59] <gebbione> but if i run php5 it finds mbstring
2910 [17:51:13] <gebbione> wtf :/
2911 [17:51:22] <jelly> stuff in /usr/local is not part of any official pacakge
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2914 [17:52:19] <gebbione> jelly: :/ that was really helpful though i am unsure on what i ll do
2915 [17:52:41] <gebbione> i m using a container from the official php docker hub and it is based on debian
2916 [17:52:48] <jelly> gebbione: get rid of /usr/local/bin/php or use /usr/bin/php5 explicitely
2917 [17:52:50] <gebbione> i think i should install php5 manually
2918 [17:53:06] <markybob> that's what got you in this mess
2919 [17:53:08] <jelly> gebbione: that container is not debian, ask whoever made it
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2922 [17:53:26] <jelly> !based on debian
2923 [17:53:26] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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2929 [17:54:59] <gebbione> jelly: the distro looks like a totally debian container - replaced-url
2930 [17:55:43] <jelly> bmomjian: after editing fstab, possibly /boot/grub/device.map, and making sure other stuff related to your disks/block devices is updated as well (mdadm.conf if you use md raid)
2931 [17:56:22] <jelly> gebbione: except it wasn't created by debian developers and people in here have no idea what ELSE was put in it
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2933 [17:56:48] <jelly> that extra stuff creates a lot of issues
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2948 [18:01:10] <bmomjian> It seems recovery mode on the installation disk will do all this for me, replaced-url
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2960 [18:05:52] <bmomjian> Interestingly, device map is the device ssn, not the file system ssn, so no need to update that: (hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-INTEL_SSDSA2CW160G3_CVPR13520CW1160DGN
2961 [18:06:05] <bmomjian> sorry, I mean not the file system uuid.
2962 [18:06:26] <bmomjian> not sure if the recovery cd mode is better than manually doing this.
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2969 [18:07:08] <jelly> it's supposed to be the device, telling grub userspace in linux what firmware thinks is the first disk
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2978 [18:07:59] <npo> anyone here familiar with qemu and could help me out?
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2981 [18:08:02] <bmomjian> ah, makes sense. I am only doing mkfs so that doesn't change.
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2997 [18:13:47] <terabit> greets
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2999 [18:14:01] <terabit> having trouble locating the package for mkisofs in debian
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3007 [18:18:04] <bmomjian> I will do the manual chroot process, but if that fails on boot, will use the recovery mode to fix it.
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3048 [18:25:01] <mezo> is there a way in chrome to disable tab switching by mouse scrolling?
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3051 [18:25:56] <wodim> hello, why does phpmyadmin now depend on php 7 ?
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3054 [18:27:28] <unborn> okay got it :)
3055 [18:27:46] <ChrisH> unborn: read windows?
3056 [18:27:52] <ChrisH> unborn: real windows?
3057 [18:28:58] <unborn> chrisc: nah.. I need to copy from router hdd which is small samba server to my linux virutalmin server which runs samba as well but I wanted to do it via server from my laptop.. im in anyway :)
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3061 [18:29:38] <ChrisH> unborn: OK. I am having issues against Win10 and wanted someone to verify it.
3062 [18:30:22] <unborn> what issues?
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3064 [18:30:49] <TomTomTosch> wodim, it doesn't. in jessie it's php5, in testing either work.
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3067 [18:31:20] <wodim> TomTomTosch: I have testing, with php5 installed, and it's pulling php7. What's wrong?
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3072 [18:31:50] <TheIdea> is there a better ;pg watcher than swatch?
3073 [18:31:53] <wodim> "apt-cache depends phpmyadmin" shows a clear dependency on php7.0 unless I can't read it well.
3074 [18:31:54] <TheIdea> log
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3080 [18:33:17] <unborn> ChrisH: what issues? you cannot connect?
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3083 [18:33:50] <TomTomTosch> wodim, look up what you are missing. there is a bunch to select. replaced-url
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3089 [18:35:24] <TomTomTosch> wodim, the channel for testing/unstable is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net though.
3090 [18:35:43] <TheIdea> is there a good chat for setting up a server?
3091 [18:36:10] <wodim> TomTomTosch: is it possible to know why is it choosing to pull php7? i.e. what php5 package am I missing instead of having to check them one by one
3092 [18:36:15] <blind> What kind of server?
3093 [18:36:41] <johnkeates> what kind of setup?
3094 [18:36:56] <johnkeates> what kind of chat?
3095 [18:37:33] <TheIdea> debian vps
3096 [18:37:45] <TheIdea> jsut need some help with a bit of hardening
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3098 [18:37:49] <johnkeates> don't get a VPS if you don't know how to set it up
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3101 [18:37:58] <TheIdea> like I need an alternative for swatch
3102 [18:38:02] <johnkeates> servers are not set-and-forget, they require maintenance
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3104 [18:38:09] <TheIdea> I know
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3106 [18:38:11] <TheIdea> Im learning
3107 [18:38:15] <johnkeates> okay :)
3108 [18:38:15] <TheIdea> its a cheap vps
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3110 [18:38:40] <ChrisH> unborn: I can connect, but commands like ls,du fail: /usr/bin/smbclient "\\\\SYSTEM\\SHARE" -U username -E -W workgroup ; fail with "cli_list: Error: unable to parse name from info level 260" Win7 works.
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3112 [18:39:08] <TheIdea> just looking for a place where I can get some tips
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3114 [18:39:51] <markybob> TheIdea: #debian-offtopic maybe if it's just generic stuff and not debian problems
3115 [18:40:12] <unborn> ChrisH: shall we try via terminal? does the share have user name and password? what is the path to the share?
3116 [18:40:17] <unborn> I mean shared folder
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3121 [18:41:48] <TomTomTosch> wodim, hm, not sure.
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3123 [18:42:17] <WallabyJenkins> “johnkeates: don't get a VPS if you don't know how to set it up” You gotta learn and start somehwere though. It’s a catch 22. He’ll never learn if he doesn’t set one up but if he doesn’t know you're telling him he shouldnt set it up.
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3125 [18:42:35] <johnkeates> This is true, but not everybody wants to learn
3126 [18:42:38] <johnkeates> but he does
3127 [18:42:44] <TheIdea> well i not 100% n00b
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3129 [18:43:00] <WallabyJenkins> if you get hacked you’ll learn a lesson, just dont be sensitive info on that server
3130 [18:43:01] <TheIdea> I've set some up in virtualbox sever times
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3132 [18:43:08] <johnkeates> well
3133 [18:43:09] <TheIdea> but I'm not good at hardening
3134 [18:43:10] <ChrisH> unborn: I can reproduce it against Win10 (fails) and Win7 (working). I was looking for someone else running win10 to confirm its a generic issue. eg. pwd command provides the correct (expected) path. Meanwhile I found one link, with a hint win10 has a new SMB Version which fails and had some hints on regestry magic to go back to previous SMB versions.
3135 [18:43:18] <WallabyJenkins> ive had my first VPS hacked tons of times, it had a WP site on it too, now it hasnt been touched in about a year, I think its failry secure, I learned A LOT
3136 [18:43:22] <Billsey> The Idea, What host platform are you using?
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3139 [18:43:38] <WallabyJenkins> ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS keep everything up to date, I learned that one the hard way with 1 year out of date OS
3140 [18:43:40] <johnkeates> TheIdea: make sure you only install what you need, only enable what needs to be reachable and firewall everything else off. Run nothing as root and restrict access to files and you'll do fine
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3143 [18:43:58] <johnkeates> TheIdea: also set up something like nagios or cacti so you know what is up
3144 [18:44:04] <WallabyJenkins> yes that too, Hide access to the root, if a hacker gets your root its game over, they are limited only by imagination
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3147 [18:44:20] <johnkeates> it doesn't need to be 100% reliable but having some stats gives you insight in what happens when
3148 [18:44:20] <TomTomTosch> wodim, apt-cache depends should show all the alternatives with | though.
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3151 [18:44:30] <TheIdea> they'll need to get my private key to get root
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3153 [18:44:37] <johnkeates> don't enable root via SSH
3154 [18:44:44] <johnkeates> only login as a normal user via SSH and use sudo
3155 [18:44:48] <johnkeates> disable root password
3156 [18:44:56] <johnkeates> use ssh keys to login to your normal account
3157 [18:44:58] <unborn_> sorry ChrisH I had to reboot
3158 [18:44:59] <johnkeates> never login as root
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3160 [18:45:13] <ChrisH> unborn: I can reproduce it against Win10 (fails) and Win7 (working). I was looking for someone else running win10 to confirm its a generic issue. eg. pwd command provides the correct (expected) path. Meanwhile I found one link, with a hint win10 has a new SMB Version which fails and had some hints on regestry magic to go back to previous SMB versions.
3161 [18:45:13] <WallabyJenkins> I personally just VPN and ssh on localhost hehe
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3165 [18:45:16] <WallabyJenkins> just my preference
3166 [18:45:25] <WallabyJenkins> + it gives the added bonus of encrypting all your traffic
3167 [18:45:29] <johnkeates> how do you ssh into the vpn server ;-)
3168 [18:45:31] <wodim> TomTomTosch: I am pretty positive I've checked all packages, or almost
3169 [18:45:43] <WallabyJenkins> johnkeates: VPN connects to the local network, then I SSH into 192.168.1.XXX
3170 [18:45:53] <johnkeates> well, yes, until it stops working
3171 [18:45:57] <WallabyJenkins> it can stop working?
3172 [18:45:58] <johnkeates> and then you needs to ssh in anyway
3173 [18:46:01] <johnkeates> well yes
3174 [18:46:04] <johnkeates> it can crash
3175 [18:46:08] <WallabyJenkins> Watchdog
3176 [18:46:13] <WallabyJenkins> itll restart itself
3177 [18:46:14] <johnkeates> it can reboot and not come up due to bad config
3178 [18:46:20] <WallabyJenkins> that Ill give you
3179 [18:46:27] <WallabyJenkins> I didnt think about that
3180 [18:46:38] <TomTomTosch> wodim, what does it try to pull?
3181 [18:46:39] <johnkeates> but regarding VPN: I use it that way too
3182 [18:46:49] <WallabyJenkins> he says after shutting me down lol
3183 [18:46:52] <johnkeates> it's just that you also want to have at least one point with SSH access
3184 [18:46:55] <wodim> TomTomTosch: php-cli php-common php-gettext php-pear php-phpseclib php-tcpdf php-xml php7.0-cli php7.0-common php7.0-json php7.0-opcache php7.0-readline php7.0-xml phpmyadmin
3185 [18:46:57] <johnkeates> yes ;-)
3186 [18:47:05] <WallabyJenkins> i don’t deny ssh externally completely heh, always gotta be prepared for emergencies, I agree
3187 [18:47:06] <johnkeates> never rely on one single thing
3188 [18:47:11] <johnkeates> yeah
3189 [18:47:18] <johnkeates> as long as it's not telnet :p
3190 [18:47:24] <WallabyJenkins> oh boy, thats all I use!
3191 [18:47:28] <johnkeates> :D
3192 [18:47:28] <TheIdea> I log into the server via encrypted vpn and ssh with rsa
3193 [18:47:37] <wodim> telnet over ssl should be enough
3194 [18:47:40] <johnkeates> I usually have vpn + a ssh jump box for when VPN fails
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3197 [18:47:43] <TheIdea> so I seen no point in not using root
3198 [18:47:47] <TheIdea> -n
3199 [18:47:54] <WallabyJenkins> root should be set aside
3200 [18:47:56] <WallabyJenkins> rarely accessed
3201 [18:47:57] <WallabyJenkins> never seen
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3203 [18:48:09] <WallabyJenkins> as far as anyone trying to penetrate your system is concerned it shouldnt exist
3204 [18:48:20] <WallabyJenkins> because the moment a hacker finds ANY WAY AT ALL to access your root, it’s over.
3205 [18:48:21] <johnkeates> TheIdea: root is no use over a normal account, when you need to access something use sudo and otherwise you shouldn't need it
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3207 [18:48:31] <TheIdea> I thought the only reason not to use root was vecause of bots guessing simple passwords
3208 [18:48:36] <TheIdea> because
3209 [18:48:37] <johnkeates> nope
3210 [18:48:51] <johnkeates> also, if you configure everything correctly but accidentally start something as root because you were logged in as root, that'd be bad
3211 [18:48:54] <WallabyJenkins> ssh isnt the only way to break into root, I’ve been using metaspoloitable and there are other vulnerabilities that if you aren’t careful can be used just as easily
3212 [18:48:56] <johnkeates> also starting malware as root is bad
3213 [18:49:09] <johnkeates> also, removing something as root is bad as nothing can protect you from yourself as you have all the power
3214 [18:49:19] <johnkeates> just forget about root
3215 [18:49:20] <johnkeates> hide it
3216 [18:49:30] <TheIdea> good to know thx
3217 [18:49:40] <TheIdea> I'll stop using root then
3218 [18:49:42] <johnkeates> buy a shock collar that shocks you every time you think about root
3219 [18:49:53] <johnkeates> :p
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3221 [18:53:04] <TheIdea> I'll fix up the root access now then brb
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3224 [18:53:06] <TomTomTosch> wodim, can you paste the output of 'dpkg -l php5-cli php5-common php5-json' to paste.debian.net please?
3225 [18:53:06] <TheIdea> does nagios work in termial?
3226 [18:53:06] <wodim> TomTomTosch: replaced-url
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3228 [18:53:37] <TheIdea> oh lol it's a web gui
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3231 [18:54:29] <ChrisH> TheIdea: what do you mean by: "does nagios work in termial"? You can check your monitoring script from terminal, but you want to have the visual overview and see the performance data from a web browser
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3234 [18:55:01] <TheIdea> this guy: replaced-url
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3240 [18:56:21] <TomTomTosch> wodim, hm, weird. i have no idea x(
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3243 [18:56:45] <wodim> TomTomTosch: ha. That makes two of us!
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3256 [19:03:32] <TheIdea> is using unattended-upgrades a good idea for hardening?
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3294 [19:16:41] <TheIdea> is using sudo su secure?
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3297 [19:16:53] <TheIdea> or should I not do that?
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3302 [19:19:38] <babilen> TheIdea: You could use "sudo -i" as alternative. I wouldn't consider sudo to be insecure unless you configured it passwordless and grant access to untrusted parties.
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3312 [19:23:49] <TheIdea> I've set up a new user and blocked root access
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3315 [19:24:09] <TheIdea> I ahte writing sudo all the time though XD
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3317 [19:24:23] <medfly> Hello!
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3319 [19:24:36] <TheIdea> hi
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3336 [19:29:48] <babilen> TheIdea: Sure, then run "sudo -i" and work as root.
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3386 [19:49:07] <wewlad> su>sudo
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3393 [19:51:18] <riku1> replaced-url
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3414 [20:00:12] <TheIdea> does anyone know a good way to backup a vps server via ssh?
3415 [20:00:22] <greycat> rsync
3416 [20:00:38] <medfly> +1
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3418 [20:01:06] <TheIdea> thx Ill check it out
3419 [20:01:14] <TheIdea> I just found this: replaced-url
3420 [20:01:40] <greycat> That looks horrible.
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3424 [20:02:32] <TheIdea> y
3425 [20:02:49] <greycat> Did you mean "yes"? I'm glad you agree.
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3428 [20:03:14] <greycat> If you meant "Why", well... it violates, like, every rule we have for scripts in #bash. And it uses FTP. And it fails to use rsync.
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3430 [20:04:14] <grawity> also "upload the backup from your VPS to the public web space"
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3432 [20:04:26] <medfly> haha 'and it fails to use rsync'
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3434 [20:04:32] <grawity> I mean, yes, it doesn't upload to public_html/, but that still sounds horrible regardless
3435 [20:04:38] <GNU\colossus> watch me as I monetize the shit out of this free script.
3436 [20:04:44] <GNU\colossus> "show HN:" incoming
3437 [20:04:54] <GNU\colossus> just needs a thin javascript wrapper around it, and it's ready to fly
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3439 [20:05:05] <medfly> TheIdea: you need to have better search terms if you ended up there
3440 [20:05:20] <markybob> or just listen to everyone saying rsync
3441 [20:05:32] * medfly says rsync a few more times.
3442 [20:05:59] <riku1> anyone have any ideas about my problem?
3443 [20:06:18] <medfly> Don't remove xorg. It's pretty cool to use.
3444 [20:06:23] <medfly> :))
3445 [20:06:34] <riku1> I'm not trying to remove it
3446 [20:06:54] <riku1> apt says those packages are no longer needed
3447 [20:06:54] <apt> riku1: okay
3448 [20:06:57] <medfly> Basing my knowledge of other package managers, you have installed xorg as a dependency to something else, so it is marked not manually installed, and because you removed this something else, autoremove suggests removing xorg, too
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3450 [20:07:02] <TheIdea> y I'm already reading up on resync
3451 [20:07:04] <medfly> 'all things with no manually installed dependencies'.
3452 [20:07:25] <TheIdea> I want to backup on my client pc
3453 [20:07:29] <medfly> Manually install it, it will stop suggesting this.
3454 [20:07:32] <markybob> TheIdea: you need to type your words out
3455 [20:07:46] <TheIdea> y + yes
3456 [20:07:56] <TheIdea> thats standard terminal y
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3458 [20:08:33] <TheIdea> Never seen anyone use y for why
3459 [20:08:37] <markybob> TheIdea: not in every language it isn't
3460 [20:08:45] <riku1> half of these xorg packages I actually don't need
3461 [20:08:47] <markybob> TheIdea: happens all the time
3462 [20:08:54] <TheIdea> good to know
3463 [20:09:09] <TheIdea> first time I ever had problems with it XD
3464 [20:09:25] <riku1> I'm never going to need drivers for ati and especially not cirrus
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3468 [20:10:53] <riku1> cirrus hasn't made graphics since 1996
3469 [20:11:09] <riku1> why I have drivers for it I have no idea
3470 [20:11:15] <medfly> riku1: It is often installed with Xorg regardless of whether you need those drivers.
3471 [20:11:23] <GNU\colossus> riku1, probably for qemu :)
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3473 [20:11:33] <riku1> I don't have qemu
3474 [20:11:35] <medfly> They are not heavy.
3475 [20:11:44] <GNU\colossus> well, the host that your distro is running on might just be it
3476 [20:11:50] <GNU\colossus> (qemu)
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3478 [20:12:09] <riku1> since when is Debian running on qemu?
3479 [20:12:28] <medfly> Qemu runs on everything.
3480 [20:12:28] <riku1> I'm running baremetal on a laptop
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3483 [20:12:35] <riku1> I am the host
3484 [20:12:41] <medfly> riku1: things are optimized for 'convenience'.
3485 [20:12:53] <pduersteler> How would one only get lines from an access log that is between four minutes? The format is e.g: 30/Mar/2016:18:18:00, and I'm trying to "grep" 2016:18:18\|19\|20\|21: .. how would I write that correctly?
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3487 [20:13:19] <medfly> riku1: the benefit from not adding all the drivers is fairly minimal, so only the people who need an extremely minimal install bother.
3488 [20:13:47] <riku1> I installed a targetted initrd...
3489 [20:13:57] <medfly> riku1: the benefit is that I can install my OS on one machine and then it will work for all other machines. plus it is harder to support such usage
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3491 [20:14:20] <zykotick9> riku1: note, it is possbile to install xorg without those addition drivers replaced-url
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3495 [20:14:59] <riku1> I'm fairly certain I want to have the synaptics, mouse, and intel ones
3496 [20:15:00] <TheIdea> Is it possible to make a backup image file and send it via ssh or ftp?
3497 [20:15:06] <RippyDippy> I know there are a few ways, but what's the most recommended way to copy one machine onto another?
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3500 [20:15:28] <TheIdea> if my server gets hacked I could just install that image file
3501 [20:15:30] <medfly> RippyDippy: have you tried a script using ftp
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3503 [20:15:37] <hanshenrik_> quick, say a random package between 1-100MB
3504 [20:15:40] <greycat> TheIdea: Yes, it's *possible*, but it's way more work (and wasted bandwidth) than just rsync-ing the files.
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3506 [20:15:59] <hanshenrik_> rsync
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3508 [20:16:19] <TheIdea> what about system files that are in use?
3509 [20:16:26] <zinx> TheIdea: this isn't windows
3510 [20:16:31] <TheIdea> k
3511 [20:16:49] <RippyDippy> medfly: I have not, care to elaborate?
3512 [20:16:52] <zinx> but, i don't think i'd trust rsync if the server was hacked myself. or anything else on it for that matter.
3513 [20:16:53] <medfly> RippyDippy: :)
3514 [20:16:58] <riku1> just backup user/server files and config files
3515 [20:17:07] <hanshenrik_> on the ext4 system, it took 4.7 seconds to install, with the btrfs system with compress=lzo , it took 16.4 seconds.. sigh
3516 [20:17:18] <riku1> if the entire OS fails, just reimage the VPS and reinstall your packages
3517 [20:17:23] <TheIdea> so recreating the server and then applying the backed up files is better?
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3519 [20:17:38] <TheIdea> well that is so much work
3520 [20:17:51] <riku1> doing it the right way is like that
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3522 [20:18:11] <medfly> This is why people invented filesystem snapshots, but GPL, yadda yadda
3523 [20:18:12] <TheIdea> I thought about making an iso before I go public with the server
3524 [20:18:27] <TheIdea> so i don't have to reinstall and config 100%
3525 [20:18:37] <riku1> what are you hosting that makes you think everyone will try to hack you?
3526 [20:18:39] <medfly> It is good to have a script to create your install.
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3528 [20:19:03] <TheIdea> I'm learning server hardening
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3531 [20:19:31] <markybob> TheIdea: then stop mentioning ftp
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3535 [20:19:37] <riku1> just use a nonstandard SSH port and fail2ban
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3537 [20:19:47] <medfly> Isn't fail2ban only for IPv4.
3538 [20:19:49] <TheIdea> already done
3539 [20:19:53] * medfly trashtalks
3540 [20:19:53] <riku1> that should stop 99.9999999% of bruteforce attacks
3541 [20:20:10] <TheIdea> ok
3542 [20:20:15] <TheIdea> good to know
3543 [20:20:17] <riku1> unless you're some major corporation nobody actually wants to hack you anyway
3544 [20:20:29] <riku1> other than for botnets
3545 [20:20:34] <medfly> Update your wordpress
3546 [20:20:36] <TheIdea> and what if I start to work there?
3547 [20:20:47] <medfly> :-P
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3549 [20:21:17] <riku1> first step to security is avoid ftp and wordpress
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3551 [20:21:23] <TheIdea> still need to learn to harden that 00.0000001%
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3553 [20:21:42] <riku1> what are you running? nuclear fission?
3554 [20:21:43] <TheIdea> good
3555 [20:21:50] <riku1> no system is 100% secure
3556 [20:22:02] <medfly> Recovery is not security
3557 [20:22:07] <riku1> ^
3558 [20:22:16] <TheIdea> recovery is damage control
3559 [20:22:19] <TheIdea> true
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3561 [20:22:33] <riku1> that's like saying abortion is a contraceptive
3562 [20:23:25] <riku1> once you get infected the damage is already done regardless of whether you restore a backup or not
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3564 [20:23:48] <TheIdea> I'll still need the backups tho
3565 [20:23:55] <riku1> a script could send thousands of spam emails and get you in trouble with your host
3566 [20:24:02] <riku1> also, rsync
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3568 [20:24:11] <TheIdea> yes I know and Ill use it
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3570 [20:24:46] <TheIdea> so I can just resync 100% of the files?
3571 [20:24:52] <TheIdea> that would be neat
3572 [20:24:57] <markybob> rsync. not resync.
3573 [20:25:00] <greycat> You can, yes. For backups, not for recovery.
3574 [20:25:01] <TheIdea> sry
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3576 [20:25:15] <greycat> For recovery, you need to understand which files are safe to overwrite, and which are not.
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3578 [20:25:23] <TheIdea> oh ok
3579 [20:25:34] <TheIdea> is there a good read for that?
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3581 [20:26:21] <markybob> TheIdea: man rsync. basically rsync -a /backupinfo remoteuser@remote_ip:/remotepath
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3584 [20:27:18] <TheIdea> I meant on which files are safe to overwrite
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3586 [20:28:36] <markybob> TheIdea: depends on how you're compromised. no one can say until they investigate
3587 [20:28:47] <TheIdea> oh ok
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3589 [20:29:11] <TheIdea> I thought greycat meant system files
3590 [20:29:18] <TheIdea> so he meant infected files
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3592 [20:29:28] <markybob> generally you shouldn't copy system files such as /usr/bin/
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3595 [20:29:33] <greycat> I meant "how to restore a backup", really.
3596 [20:29:33] <markybob> that's useless
3597 [20:29:42] <TheIdea> true if I just put infected files back that would solve nothing
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3599 [20:30:29] <TheIdea> Not even to create a customized standard installation?
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3601 [20:30:45] <greycat> That's just not a thing Unix people ever do.
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3604 [20:31:10] <TheIdea> well I got accustomed doing so with windows
3605 [20:31:12] <greycat> Installing the base OS takes, like, 20 minutes. Then you restore your backup (/etc and /home), then you restore the non-default packages, and voila.
3606 [20:31:26] <markybob> TheIdea: you need to get rid of those windows ideas
3607 [20:31:30] <TheIdea> yes
3608 [20:31:42] <TheIdea> Ill memo that
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3614 [20:32:47] <TheIdea> thx for all the help
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3620 [20:34:36] <TheIdea> is swatch good or are there better alternatives?
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3674 [20:52:27] <Linkandzelda> just tried to install debian in virtualbox and it failed. it failed at "select and install software". any ideas?
3675 [20:52:46] <Fox682> do you have PAE/NX enabled for the CPU?
3676 [20:53:07] <Linkandzelda> i dont
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3679 [20:54:09] <Linkandzelda> shall i enable it Fox682?
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3681 [20:55:25] <Fox682> yes, try it with that
3682 [20:55:31] <Fox682> I've had issues with it being off on some distros
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3684 [20:55:56] <Fox682> it can't hurt, it just enables some virtualization extensions for VBox
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3686 [20:56:46] <Linkandzelda> ok i enabled it, gonna try again
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3693 [20:59:00] <hanshenrik__> Fox682, doubt debian was 1 of them
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3695 [20:59:26] <hanshenrik__> Linkandzelda, define "failed"
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3697 [21:00:05] <Fox682> hanshenrik__: maybe, my memory might be fuzzy, but it doesn't hurt. We'll know in a bit!
3698 [21:00:06] <Linkandzelda> hanshenrik__: it just failed, nothing else i can say and it gave no useful information
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3700 [21:00:33] <Linkandzelda> im at the same step now
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3702 [21:00:40] <Linkandzelda> it asks to select a network mirror
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3704 [21:01:02] <Linkandzelda> ok seems its working now
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3707 [21:01:12] <Linkandzelda> Fox682: either that was it or its magic
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3710 [21:01:42] <Fox682> ^^^ ;-)
3711 [21:01:42] <Linkandzelda> nope, it failed again
3712 [21:01:50] <Fox682> s***
3713 [21:01:57] <Linkandzelda> i spoke too soon
3714 [21:02:10] <Linkandzelda> ive selected 3 different network mirrors now
3715 [21:02:13] <Fox682> did you check the md5 or sha-256 sums to make sure you got all the bits?
3716 [21:02:14] <markybob> Linkandzelda: how? just saying it can't access the network?
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3720 [21:03:10] <Linkandzelda> markybob: it says this: An installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: Select and install software
3721 [21:03:14] <Fox682> I've had this problem before, but I don't remember what I did to fix it... and I've not had that problem since... but that was months ago.
3722 [21:03:15] <Linkandzelda> thats the full "error"
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3724 [21:03:22] <markybob> Linkandzelda: laptop? wifi?
3725 [21:03:29] <Linkandzelda> markybob: virtual box
3726 [21:03:31] <markybob> oh, virtualbox. nm
3727 [21:03:44] <Linkandzelda> this is testing stretch alpha 5
3728 [21:03:54] <markybob> Linkandzelda: well don't do that
3729 [21:03:57] <greycat> Ah! Then we can just redirect 'em.
3730 [21:03:58] <markybob> Linkandzelda: use the stable installer then upgrade
3731 [21:04:18] <greycat> If you're testing the testing installer, you should be talking to OFTC #debian-next (not on this network).
3732 [21:04:19] <Linkandzelda> oh, i just read that it recommended to use alpha 5 installer on the download page
3733 [21:04:19] <markybob> Linkandzelda: the testing installer isn't meant to install testing. it's meant to test the installer only
3734 [21:04:30] <markybob> Linkandzelda: no
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3736 [21:04:40] <Linkandzelda> i see, thats a fail on my part hehe
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3739 [21:05:21] <Linkandzelda> can you point me to the download page i should get it from?
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3743 [21:05:55] <markybob> Linkandzelda: replaced-url
3744 [21:06:14] <Fox682> I'm running a VM of that one right now lol
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3748 [21:07:04] <Linkandzelda> thanks
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3750 [21:07:23] <hanshenrik__> isnt 8.3.0 the last stable now?
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3753 [21:07:39] <markybob> hanshenrik__: latest stable, yes
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3756 [21:08:16] <Linkandzelda> markybob: so how do i run "testing" version
3757 [21:08:33] <greycat> Linkandzelda: upgrade from stable to testing after the installation
3758 [21:08:34] <markybob> Linkandzelda: after that you change your sources.list and dist-upgrade. then you won't be supported here anymore
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3760 [21:08:45] <Linkandzelda> i see
3761 [21:08:46] <markybob> Linkandzelda: you'll need to go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for support
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3764 [21:08:55] <Linkandzelda> im new to debian, this is my first time
3765 [21:09:09] <greycat> Why do you want to run testing?
3766 [21:09:15] <jmcnaught> Linkandzelda: if you're new to debian start with the stable release
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3769 [21:09:41] <Linkandzelda> someone suggested i tried out debian testing, switching from arch
3770 [21:09:54] <medfly> I was installing debian/i386 on my amd64 machine, and had trouble creating ext4 filesystem, is this to be expected?
3771 [21:09:55] <Linkandzelda> guess i will just try stable then
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3773 [21:09:56] <markybob> Linkandzelda: starting out with testing is stupid advice
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3775 [21:10:27] <Fox682> not really markybob, if you're used to a rolling distro and fixing and tweaking stuff, it's not a bad place to be.
3776 [21:10:44] <markybob> Fox682: yes it is. you don't know how to fix debian problems yet
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3779 [21:11:08] <Linkandzelda> thats the same with arch basically, arch users are testers
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3781 [21:11:19] <Fox682> exactly Linkandzelda
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3786 [21:11:41] <markybob> Linkandzelda: same person who told you to use the alpha 5 installer, i assume?
3787 [21:11:47] <markybob> Linkandzelda: worked out well
3788 [21:12:00] <Linkandzelda> markybob: actually they didnt tell me how to install, that was my fail
3789 [21:12:22] <medfly> alpha? :)
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3792 [21:13:13] <Linkandzelda> i like this text based installer in stable better anyway
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3853 [21:35:17] <Fox682> Any luck so far Linkandzelda?
3854 [21:35:17] <jhutchins> Mouse keeps going into something like power save mode after ten seconds or so. Have to click a button to wake it up.
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3856 [21:35:45] <jhutchins> I don't know if this is an issue with the USB Bus, mouse hardware, or driver.
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3859 [21:36:10] <jhutchins> I need to find another mouse, but the keyboard was acting strangely too.
3860 [21:36:14] <Fox682> sudden issue?
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3862 [21:36:27] <jhutchins> Fox682: Yeah, within the last few days.
3863 [21:36:54] <Fox682> any major system changes recently?
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3866 [21:37:06] <jhutchins> Just regular updates (Jessie).
3867 [21:37:42] <Linkandzelda> Fox682: yea it installed
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3869 [21:38:54] <Linkandzelda> now i tried to install i3 and its not letting me, saying i have broken packages
3870 [21:38:54] <Fox682> Yay!
3871 [21:38:59] <Fox682> areplaced-url
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3873 [21:40:17] <Fox682> apt-get check?
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3875 [21:41:19] <greycat> How does one get broken packages 1 minute after an install?
3876 [21:41:27] <markybob> testing i assume
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3879 [21:42:01] <Linkandzelda> markybob: its still stable
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3881 [21:42:08] <Fox682> talent, it takes talent.
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3883 [21:42:16] <Fox682> I've done that with arch lol
3884 [21:42:25] <Linkandzelda> replaced-url
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3886 [21:42:31] <Linkandzelda> i followed these instructions only
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3888 [21:42:36] <Linkandzelda> that was the first thing i did
3889 [21:42:37] <markybob> !dontbreakdebian
3890 [21:42:38] <dpkg> i guess dont break debian is replaced-url
3891 [21:42:43] <greycat> ,v i3
3892 [21:42:44] <judd> Package: i3 on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.e-bf1-2; squeeze-backports: 4.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.2-2; wheezy-backports: 4.8-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.8-2; jessie-backports: 4.11-1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.12-1; stretch: 4.12-1
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3895 [21:43:02] <greycat> apt-get install i3 was too hard?
3896 [21:43:25] <medfly> Why does this not work?
3897 [21:43:29] <medfly> $ git clone --depth=1 replaced-url
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3899 [21:44:19] <medfly> How old is that git server version, that's not good :(
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3902 [21:44:43] <jmcnaught> heh... replaced-url
3903 [21:44:52] <markybob> yeah
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3905 [21:45:02] <markybob> Linkandzelda: see why we told you to stick to stable?
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3909 [21:45:39] <Linkandzelda> well i wanted the latest version of i3 thats all
3910 [21:45:42] <Fox682> if everyone stuck to stable there wouldn't be anyone left to run testing, except the devs, and that would be boring.
3911 [21:45:53] <markybob> Linkandzelda: debian doesn't work like that
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3916 [21:46:35] <greycat> If you want a newer version of i3 than what is in stable, use the jessie-backports version. It's shown up above.
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3918 [21:47:02] <markybob> Linkandzelda: replaced-url
3919 [21:47:10] <greycat> I don't know what features i3 version 4.11 has over version 4.8, but it sounds small-ish.
3920 [21:47:11] <markybob> Linkandzelda: but at this point you probably need a reinstall
3921 [21:47:25] <Linkandzelda> heh
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3926 [21:48:06] <Linkandzelda> greycat: 4.8 was released in june 2014, so its pretty old
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3928 [21:48:36] <greycat> That's not old. I've got things in my fridge older than that.
3929 [21:48:43] <Linkandzelda> haha
3930 [21:48:51] <Linkandzelda> its old when you run arch
3931 [21:48:54] <greycat> !jessie freeze
3932 [21:48:55] <dpkg> Remember, remember, the fifth of November, gunpowder treason and plot! Debian 8.0 "Jessie" was frozen on 2014-11-05; no new versions of packages will enter this release and a period of intense bug fixing has begun. See replaced-url
3933 [21:49:00] <phy1729> Are you sure Debian is the distro for you?
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3937 [21:49:23] <Linkandzelda> phy1729: im just trying stuff out, but im thinking maybe its not
3938 [21:49:30] <markybob> Linkandzelda: this is how debian goes. couple of years old. stable. secure.
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3940 [21:50:05] <medfly> Couple of years old and secure in the same sentence
3941 [21:50:06] * medfly sighs
3942 [21:50:22] <greycat> That is not a contradiction.
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3945 [21:50:47] <medfly> Not every security problem has a CVE. Not everything can be backported.
3946 [21:50:51] <brontosaurusrex> Linkandzelda: anything particulary usefull in uber-latest i3? (just curious)
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3949 [21:51:12] <medfly> Pulseaudio dependency. lol.
3950 [21:51:14] <greycat> When the only way to fix a security bug is to up-version, Debian will reluctantly do that. This has happened a few times with bind.
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3952 [21:51:19] <medfly> Gotta have a pulseaudio dependency in your WM.
3953 [21:51:24] <Linkandzelda> brontosaurusrex: well i run 4.12 and im sure that going back to 4.8 something is bound to be different
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3955 [21:51:33] <greycat> But for the other 99% of packages, the bug is fixed with a small patch.
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3958 [21:52:03] <greycat> Linkandzelda: jessie-backports has 4.11
3959 [21:52:23] <Linkandzelda> yea i saw that, and i guess i can try that
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3962 [21:52:58] <greycat> Firefox is another special case that doesn't follow the rules of stability.
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3964 [21:54:00] <Aorious> Hi, I get the following message upon shutdown, 'systemd_shutdown[1]: failed to finalize DM devices, ignoring'. How can I correct this?
3965 [21:54:02] <medfly> This is biased because almost all the programs I use are either very small or suffer from this.
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3967 [21:54:52] <thurstylark> medfly: are you serious about pulseaudio? why the poop does i3 have anything to do with audio?
3968 [21:55:01] <thurstylark> (says the i3 user on arch :P)
3969 [21:55:17] <medfly> Well, I heard from a third party
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3971 [21:55:38] <exedore6> thurstylark: Could you build from source without the dependency
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3974 [21:56:17] <thurstylark> exedore6: didn't have to.
3975 [21:56:28] <thurstylark> arch has binary packages for it.
3976 [21:56:35] <exedore6> thurstylark: To eliminate the pulseaudio dependency?
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3979 [21:56:52] <medfly> ack I may have misspoken
3980 [21:56:54] <umbSublime> I built i3 4.10 from scratch on deb7, let me tell you it took a while (only done as a poc for a collegue arguing it wasnt doable)
3981 [21:57:10] <medfly> disregard
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3984 [21:58:32] <medfly> this is why it's not good to just say something you heard from someone :-)
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3987 [21:59:18] <brontosaurusrex> If i was into tilers i'd just go with dwm (which is easily compilable)
3988 [21:59:29] <medfly> i3status has a pulseaudio dependency
3989 [21:59:31] * medfly uses dwm
3990 [21:59:35] <medfly> not i3 itself
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3994 [22:01:39] <exedore6> medfly: You sure? Packages says libasound.
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3997 [22:02:14] <exedore6> And (while I haven’t looked at the package, I imagine there’s the option to ‘configure —without-sound’
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4000 [22:02:35] <medfly> replaced-url
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4006 [22:03:33] * thurstylark uses i3status as well...
4007 [22:03:43] <thurstylark> oh, libpulse.
4008 [22:03:48] <medfly> ack
4009 [22:03:50] <exedore6> Now I see.
4010 [22:03:51] <thurstylark> yeah, I have that
4011 [22:03:54] <medfly> pull requesting desires intensify...
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4015 [22:04:26] <thurstylark> just so that it can get pulse info, but that doesn't pull the entirety of pulse on arch.
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4051 [22:12:03] <kasd11> hey, i installed a fresh 64bit debian on a pc. now when booting all i see is the screen where i can choose the OS i want to boot (there is win7 on it as well), afterwards the screen stays black
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4053 [22:12:09] <Fox682> anyone having luck with installing asterisk from the repos?
4054 [22:12:36] <Fox682> guess I could just do it on a vm, lol
4055 [22:12:37] <kasd11> sysrq keys work for forcing a reboot while changing to another tty does not, i tried ctrl-alt-fX
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4059 [22:13:39] <markybob> kasd11: secure boot enabled?
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4062 [22:14:18] <ksk> secure boot disables acces to a TTY? :D
4063 [22:14:34] <greycat> sounds more like a video driver thing to me
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4066 [22:15:01] <thurstylark> I was gonna say... Secure boot would deny grub from loading...
4067 [22:15:08] <markybob> that's what happened to me when i was stupid and didn't check one of my installs first that had secure boot enabled
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4073 [22:17:03] <kasd11> no idea what secure boot is
4074 [22:17:17] <kasd11> the graphical installer worked fine from usb
4075 [22:17:26] <markybob> kasd11: live?
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4082 [22:18:31] <kasd11> i used replaced-url
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4085 [22:18:53] <markybob> how'd you do graphical with netinst?
4086 [22:19:04] <kasd11> it let me choose that at the beginning
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4089 [22:19:22] <kasd11> looked like a wrapper of the cli installer interface ;)
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4107 [22:27:36] <Walakea> as Hawlett-Packard is so generous Debian supporter, does it offer any laptops that can run Debian without any hardware issues?
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4111 [22:28:29] <kasd11> ill ask again tomorrow :)
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4129 [22:34:26] <brontosaurusrex> Walakea: Never had problems with debian on hp workstations/desktops if that helps you and they do offer some Ubuntu preloaded notebooks (or they did at least)
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4136 [22:35:37] <Walakea> i would like to try some of thosedistros that use linux-libre
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4139 [22:36:19] <Walakea> and even if you have a computer that has Ubuntu preinstalled, doesnt mean the drivers are free software
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4141 [22:36:54] <Walakea> but i think you cant get better than a laptop with Ubuntu preinstalled
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4143 [22:37:18] <ksk> Are there prefered debian ways to put a service into a namespace and apply a cgroup to it? Is this the way its done anyway? Im new to cgroups and namespaces and would like to poke around.
4144 [22:37:26] <TomTomTosch> you can try what you like, i just don't see what benefit those distros have over debian.
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4147 [22:38:08] <Walakea> Guix SD looks cool
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4149 [22:39:04] <Walakea> i agree that Debian is superior to them while remaining free software only if i want to
4150 [22:39:37] <ksk> mhm, just read systemd can do that. surprise!
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4329 [23:57:49] <jhutchins> Something very strange with the USB bus I think. Regular old mouse goes to sleep in about five seconds - LED goes out, it doesn't track, cursor may disappear. Recovers on click (even unconfigured extra buttons).
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4331 [23:58:14] <jhutchins> Plugging a known good mouse in, the mouse is not recognized. (Gotta double check dmesg on that.)
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4334 [23:59:36] <jhutchins> Anyway, new mouse does not respond.
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