• 0[00:00:02] <jackweb> Hello. I have already installed Debian stable. Is it possible to install gcc>5 on Jessie? I have only tried to add repository from stretch in order to install gcc-5, but it wanted to upgrade too many other packages - I did not allow. Is there any way to have quite recent compiler on stable?
• 1[00:00:31] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, it works!
• 2[00:01:28] <jmcnaught> jackweb: mixing stable and testing/stretch breaks your system, or upgrades it to stretch. probably your best bet is to use gcc5 in a stretch chroot or container
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• 6[00:02:50] <iSlayWyverns> Debian is a stable branch or rolling release?
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• 12[00:03:49] <jmcnaught> iSlayWyverns: Debian Stable (currently Jessie) is a stable branch. There are the development branches testing and unstable, but they're primarily for developing the next release
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• 17[00:04:39] <iSlayWyverns> jmcnaught, a stable release is every... ?
• 18[00:04:48] <jackweb> jmcnaught, thanks for the answer. I'll read about Linux containers
• 19[00:05:17] <jmcnaught> iSlayWyverns: on average every two years. there is also a backports repository with select newer packages for the stable release
• 20[00:05:40] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, thanks :D
• 21[00:05:50] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: you're welcome :)
• 22[00:06:06] <jackweb> jmcnaught, you mean: replaced-url
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• 24[00:06:17] <vl420> jmcnaught, how can i list the web browsers that backports repository has?
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• 27[00:06:44] <jmcnaught> jackweb: consider checking out schroot, you can configure it so unprivileged users can start the chroot, and it can use your /home etc
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• 29[00:08:26] <jmcnaught> vl420: replaced-url
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• 32[00:09:59] <jmcnaught> jackweb: LXC is one way you can have an isolated stretch installed on your system, but it might be more tricky to integrate with wherever you keep your source. presumably you want to use an editor/IDE in jessie to write stuff
• 33[00:10:07] <markybob> vl420: you should probably look at replaced-url
• 34[00:10:34] <vl420> jmcnaught, what percentage of packages on jessie are not covered by the security team?
• 35[00:10:55] <jackweb> jmcnaught, ok. so i'll try with schroot and debootstrap
• 36[00:11:03] <jmcnaught> vl420: replaced-url
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• 42[00:12:35] <jmcnaught> vl420: honestly i think your best option is to use iceweasel/firefox with only a handful of add-ons like noscript and requestpolicy (both available as packages in debian). avoid using adblockplus, it can slow things down quite a bit
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• 44[00:15:34] <ElTimo> jmcnaught, ublock origin is quite light.
• 45[00:15:43] <ElTimo> Substantially moreso than ABP.
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• 62[00:20:33] <vl420> jmcnaught, thanks
• 63[00:21:15] <jackweb> jmcnaught, THANKS for the help with schroot :) it's amazing!
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• 73[00:27:35] <jmcnaught> vl420: jackweb: cheers :)
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• 81[00:33:06] <ElTimo> vl420, Which drivers are you using?
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• 83[00:33:19] <ElTimo> You'll probably have some trouble getting 3D acceleration on something that old.
• 84[00:33:43] <vl420> ElTimo, the ones that are installed by default on jessie
• 85[00:33:55] <ElTimo> So nouveau, then. One sec.
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• 89[00:35:18] <g00se> Using a vpn then stopping it is leaving me with borked DNS. How can i reset it so that names on my LAN are resolved properly? Am using NetworkManager
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• 117[00:46:49] <vl420> ElTimo, are you there?
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• 120[00:47:34] <ElTimo> Sorry vl420, I'm at work, but yeah.
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• 127[00:50:10] <ElTimo> You could try installing NVidia's proprietary drivers, but I don't know if they go back that far.
• 128[00:50:22] <ElTimo> OH! That's right, they do. There's legacy drivers in the repos. One sec.
• 129[00:51:36] <TomTomTosch> ye, even the legacy drivers don't go that far back.
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• 138[00:54:08] <bluefive> Hello.
• 139[00:54:20] <bluefive> Can you quickly help me determine if I have my home dir encrypted using ecryptfs?
• 140[00:54:32] <bluefive> Anything I can type in the command line to tell me?
• 141[00:54:39] <vl420> ElTimo, TomTomTosch : thanks
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• 143[00:54:49] <ElTimo> TomTomTosch, That's what I was afraid of. The GeForce 4000 series is barely recognizable as a GPU compared to what we have today.
• 144[00:55:02] <ElTimo> It's got like...one shader. And it was a big deal.
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• 186[01:19:16] <job1> can someone point me to a list of debian offial repos
• 187[01:19:39] <job1> sorry official
• 188[01:19:46] <TomTomTosch> job1, point >> replaced-url
• 189[01:19:57] <job1> thanks
• 190[01:20:24] <socomm> job1: Check your /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 197[01:25:27] <movic> hi guys
• 198[01:25:54] <movic> i have problem with debian on raspberrypi, anyone here who can help?
• 199[01:27:09] <TomTomTosch> debian on rpi or raspbian?
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• 201[01:27:40] <movic> raspbian
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• 203[01:28:25] <TomTomTosch> movic, then you will have better luck asking #raspbian
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• 205[01:29:07] <de-facto> how does a child program of sshd (e.g. bash) determine its terminal dimensions (rows, cols)?
• 206[01:29:35] <zinx> terminfo / termcap
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• 208[01:30:15] <de-facto> how does that work? does it send something over the wire to the other end of the ssh connection where the rendering terminal sits?
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• 211[01:31:50] <de-facto> im interessted in resizing
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• 251[01:51:52] <phorce1> So, what's the oldest kernel a Debian LiveCD has been created for? I have an old K6 with 32MB of RAM that I need to copy files off of and I can't find my IDE-->USB adapter cable to yank the drive out and do it that way. And I haven't found a USB stick it will accept without drivers (it has no ethernet).
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• 276[02:04:12] <NyanCat> HI all, I'm trying to access the Wiki and it won't work
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• 278[02:04:23] <NyanCat> It's just telling me that I don't have permission to read it
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• 299[02:15:17] <jmcnaught> NyanCat: still having wiki trouble? it's working for me
• 300[02:15:31] <NyanCat> Yes I am
• 301[02:15:44] <NyanCat> "Forbidden <p>You are not allowed to access this!</p>"
• 302[02:16:00] <jmcnaught> NyanCat: you're going here? replaced-url
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• 304[02:16:28] <NyanCat> replaced-url
• 305[02:16:30] <NyanCat> @ jmcnaught
• 306[02:17:18] <NyanCat> when i visited debian.org i was redirected to some image
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• 309[02:17:43] <NyanCat> oh whoops, that would be because i went to debiam
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• 311[02:17:48] <NyanCat> but thats the right URL
• 312[02:18:20] <xbytemx> hi I have a grep question, I want to grep all coincidence of "172\.16" but ignore all "172\.16\.70\.254" and show -A 2 -B 2
• 313[02:18:46] <jmcnaught> NyanCat: are you behind some sort of corporate/free-wifi firewall? i suppose you could ask in #debian-replaced-url
• 314[02:19:00] <NyanCat> My IP will say Amanah
• 315[02:19:05] <NyanCat> most likely
• 316[02:19:07] <RoyK> xbytemx: perhaps use awk or perl or something instead
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• 320[02:20:05] <RoyK> xbytemx: or just blah | grep '172\.16' | grep -v '172\.16\.70\.254'
• 321[02:20:10] <NyanCat> jmcnaught: the short answer is yes
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• 324[02:20:40] <jmcnaught> NyanCat: i don't know what Amanah is, but the problem is probably at your end if it works for me
• 325[02:20:51] <RoyK> xbytemx: use awk
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• 327[02:21:14] <xbytemx> RoyK: I will search how to do it on awk, thanks
• 328[02:21:58] <jmcnaught> RoyK: hey i noticed one of your long response yesterday seemed truncated and figured i should mention it because it used to happen to me and nobody said anything for a long time
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• 333[02:23:37] <RoyK> jmcnaught: no idea
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• 343[02:26:14] <ericandrewlewis> hi, i'm looking to install debian as a dual boot on my mac via a usb stick. the MANIFEST file lists a lot of image options…
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• 345[02:26:26] <ericandrewlewis> which should I use?
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• 347[02:27:50] <jmcnaught> ericandrewlewis: use the netinst installer image. do not use a live image if you want UEFI support to work
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• 352[02:28:50] <ericandrewlewis> I don't see a netinst in this list — replaced-url
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• 354[02:29:30] <ericandrewlewis> perhaps netboot installer?
• 355[02:29:37] <jmcnaught> ericandrewlewis: replaced-url
• 356[02:29:49] <markybob> ericandrewlewis: i'd use the firmware installer. replaced-url
• 357[02:30:19] <jmcnaught> ericandrewlewis: it's also recommend to check the install manual: replaced-url
• 358[02:32:00] <ericandrewlewis> markybob: what's the difference between the firmare installer and the netboot installer?
• 359[02:32:36] <markybob> ericandrewlewis: the firmware installer comes with firmware images in it so you don't have to deal with pesky wifi and such. makes it easier.
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• 362[02:33:34] <jmcnaught> ericandrewlewis: that netboot iso is for booting with PXE over a network, and it doesn't have UEFI support. the firmware iso that markybob recommended is a good suggestion
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• 369[02:36:21] <ghostboy33> im getting file -s /dev/sdb
• 370[02:36:21] <ghostboy33> /dev/sdb: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'WIN_7_ULT_SP1_EN-US_MARCH_X64' (bootable)
• 371[02:36:39] <ghostboy33> my laptop is unable to find it when im trying to boot from USB
• 372[02:37:13] <ghostboy33> I copied the .iso with dd directly onto /dev/sdb
• 373[02:37:18] <jmcnaught> ghostboy33: maybe you meant to join #windows ?
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• 377[02:38:37] <jmcnaught> ghostboy33: that trick works with Debian images because they are specially prepared hybrid images. To make a bootable Windows USB stick you'd be better off asking a Windows channel
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• 380[02:39:07] <Slimmy> hey guys. How can I get the add-apt-repository command?
• 381[02:39:41] <markybob> Slimmy: software-properties-common
• 382[02:40:04] <Slimmy> thank you markybob
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• 385[02:40:16] <phorce1> ghostboy33: unetbootin on your Debian box *might* work to create the bootable Win CD but I've had it fail as often as work ... using the same image every time.
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• 402[02:54:46] <NyanCat> jmcnaught: So it looks like the VPN is to blame
• 403[02:54:52] <NyanCat> but... that's kind of stupid
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• 405[02:55:06] <NyanCat> Do they literally go "oh, it looks like a proxy IP" and block it?
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• 409[02:56:17] <jmcnaught> NyanCat: i don't know, but it's possible they were getting a lot of abuse or vandalism from that IP range.
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• 668[05:55:02] <Antares> Где Комета?
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• 688[06:12:24] <simonlnu> !ru
• 689[06:12:25] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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• 710[06:32:31] <flaf_> Hi ;). If I reboot a Debian Jessie in the recovery mode, the filesystem / is mounted rw, not read-only (ro). Is it normal? How can I have a _ro_ recovery boot?
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• 778[07:17:48] <askb> hi anyone know the differences between grub2 menuentry for the "debian friendly" and ubuntu way, esp when setting the root=UUID
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• 802[07:46:20] <jim> Antares is known to ##linux as a russian spammer
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• 804[07:46:59] <Antares> vk.com international site
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• 806[07:47:50] <jim> as you can see, he has no qualms in advertising his site
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• 813[07:54:34] <k0nsl> lol.
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• 818[07:56:14] <k0nsl> to be fair I posted a link in here just a few minutes ago, but I thought it would be a somewhat okay practice as it relates to the subject.
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• 820[07:56:42] <k0nsl> (being about a Debian mirror and all)
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• 822[07:57:44] <askb> hi anyone know the differences between grub2 menuentry for the "debian friendly" and ubuntu way, esp when setting the root=UUID
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• 878[08:26:06] <cerealkiller> hey guys, I messed up my synaptics.conf file in X11/xorg.conf.d , if I delete it will it create a new one? since it has a parse error and my DE wont start
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• 884[08:34:15] <cauliflower> Hi!
• 885[08:34:26] <cauliflower> What's the equivalent of ipconfig/all in Debian?
• 886[08:34:37] <markedsea> ip address?
• 887[08:34:42] <scardinal> ifconfig -a
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• 889[08:36:22] <cauliflower> Ain't there
• 890[08:36:27] <cauliflower> Ain't in the repo too
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• 893[08:37:07] <cauliflower> ifconfig isn't in my system, neither is it in the repo
• 894[08:37:21] <jelly> cauliflower: "ip a", then
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• 896[08:37:39] <sypher> cauliflower: That's because its been deprecated for years.
• 897[08:37:42] <cauliflower> Ah
• 898[08:37:45] <cauliflower> Ok
• 899[08:37:56] <cauliflower> Sorry new to these Free Software things
• 900[08:38:13] <jelly> cauliflower: as for ifconfig, perhaps you just don't have /sbin in PATH (it's not in the default user PATH)
• 901[08:38:14] <sypher> cauliflower: Check out the "ip" and "ss" commands.
• 902[08:38:16] <askb> Hey anyone will to help with ^^^
• 903[08:38:34] <ramix> cauliflower: sudo ifconfig
• 904[08:38:36] <scardinal> cauliflower: It's in the net-tools package... but you can also just use ip ad
• 905[08:39:10] <sypher> scardinal: s/can also just/should
• 906[08:39:14] <askb> I am trying to understand the differences between grub2 menuentry for a "debian friendly" and ubuntu way, esp when setting the root=UUID, I guess root=* is set only once in debian, not sure why its being set twice in ubuntu?
• 907[08:39:15] <cauliflower> Thanks!
• 908[08:39:21] <askb> can any one help please
• 909[08:39:40] <scardinal> sypher: guess that depends on your preference
• 910[08:39:48] <cauliflower> Which one is my IP here? replaced-url
• 911[08:39:51] <cauliflower> And my MAC?
• 912[08:39:55] <sypher> scardinal: No, it doesn't. One is maintained, the other is not.
• 913[08:40:31] <scardinal> sypher: so? Whatever gets the job done. It works now that's what I need.
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• 916[08:41:27] <jelly> askb: there are relevant tunables in /etc/default/grub, too; debian adds root=uuidstuff to every entry by default, too, I think. (can't confirm because I always disable that and use lvm LV path instead)
• 917[08:41:30] <sypher> scardinal: Fine, then you can use tools that should have gone away in 2009. That's on you. Here, we direct people to use the correct toolsets, not "what works."
• 918[08:41:35] <cauliflower> Ah it's inet
• 919[08:42:03] <scardinal> sypher: Thank you.
• 920[08:42:17] <jelly> cauliflower: the stuff following link/ether is MAC of that interface
• 921[08:42:22] <sypher> And the correct toolset for 2016 is the iproute2 toolset.
• 922[08:42:33] <scardinal> sypher: yes.. in your opinion..
• 923[08:42:53] <sypher> scardinal: No, in the net-tools maintainers opinion seven years ago. replaced-url
• 924[08:43:11] <sypher> scardinal: So, there's that. Move on.
• 925[08:43:34] <scardinal> sypher: why don't you take a chill pill..
• 926[08:44:12] <sypher> cauliflower: It helps to understand "layers" when reading the output. Link = L2 address = MAC. inet = L3 address = IP.
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• 928[08:44:15] <askb> jelly, hi, is this same in ubuntu, coz my understanding it "root=" is set twice in the list, of the menuentry in ubuntu, but not in the case of debian. I am trying to figure out why
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• 932[08:44:52] <cauliflower> jelly: Oh ok thanks! scardinal too!
• 933[08:44:57] <askb> since, ubuntu is deb based why this difference
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• 936[08:47:52] <jelly> askb: you'll have to ask them
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• 938[08:48:20] <askb> jelly, :)
• 939[08:48:29] <cauliflower> sypher: Sorry for asking but could you tell me what the equivalent of ipconfig/renew is?
• 940[08:48:36] <sypher> askb: Likely because Ubuntu uses a different init system than Debian. upstart vs systemd. It's possible that upstart uses different parameters when passed from boot. But that's highly offtopic. :P
• 941[08:48:49] <sypher> cauliflower: To renew a DHCP lease, you mean?
• 942[08:48:57] <jelly> init system doesn't have a lot to do with creating grub.cfg
• 943[08:48:59] <cauliflower> Probably
• 944[08:49:12] <cauliflower> Yeah I think so replaced-url
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• 946[08:49:17] <sypher> jelly: Just theorizing on why they'd be different.
• 947[08:50:22] <sypher> cauliflower: There are a number of ways to do it in Debian. One way that I know of is to bring down the interface and bring it back up. ifdown eth0/ifup eth0.
• 948[08:50:39] <sypher> cauliflower: To do it without bringing down the interface, you could use dhclient -r eth0/dhclient eth0.
• 949[08:50:43] <askb> jelly, sypher - this is happening with deb - jessie
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• 952[08:51:12] <jelly> askb: what is?
• 953[08:51:21] <askb> sypher, jelly - are there any pointer you would provide where to start while looking at the diffirence
• 954[08:51:26] <cauliflower> I don't have dhclient installed nor in my repos.
• 955[08:51:47] <flaf_> Hello, if I reboot a Debian Jessie in the recovery mode, the filesystem / is mounted rw, not read-only (ro)? Is it normal? How can I have a _ro_ recovery boot?
• 956[08:51:49] <sypher> cauliflower: You probably do, but the PATH for it isn't exposed to normal users. sudo first.
• 957[08:52:00] <sypher> sudo dhclient ...
• 958[08:52:33] <cauliflower> Hmm
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• 960[08:52:39] <sypher> cauliflower: Assuming you have sudo installed, of course. Otherwise, "su".
• 961[08:52:41] <askb> jelly, oh sorry - i meant the diff in debian 8/jessie, and any suggestion you could shed on where to look if I need to dig into the souce ...
• 962[08:52:53] <askb> unfortunatly, not very family with source
• 963[08:53:20] <jelly> askb: diff between what and what? Pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg and point out what you think is incorrect?
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• 965[08:54:06] <cauliflower> sypher: Then I should run ip a again to check to see if my ip is different now right?
• 966[08:54:19] <meseira> hi all
• 967[08:54:26] <jelly> askb: you probably want to look at what update-grub / grub-mkconfig commands do, and their config under /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/
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• 969[08:54:42] <cauliflower> My ip did not change
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• 971[08:54:53] <cauliflower> I'm looking at the wlan interface
• 972[08:55:05] <meseira> I have a Brother printer (DCP7040) that I can not make work in Jessie
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• 975[08:56:19] <meseira> according to the infos given by Brother's website, what i did in previous version of Debian, was to install ia32-libs to make theirplugin work
• 976[08:56:44] <sypher> cauliflower: It probably won't. The lease is likely still active on the other end, so it'll just give you the same IP, depending on what you entered.
• 977[08:57:15] <meseira> s/plugin/driver/
• 978[08:57:20] <cauliflower> What if I just use the first command? Which requires bringing down stuff and getting it back up again?
• 979[08:57:24] <meseira> ia32-libs desappeared for multi-arch and I can not make the Brother driver work
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• 983[08:58:37] <askb> jelly, sure its here for ubuntu replaced-url
• 984[08:58:38] <meseira> I have properly added i386 architecture and libc6:i386 is installed (and also lib32stdc++6)
• 985[08:58:41] <askb> would you could share info from /etc/default/grub and the first menuentry in grub.cfg
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• 987[08:59:10] <meseira> in a nutshell, is there someone here who has a working Brother printer in Debian Jessie?
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• 991[09:01:38] <jelly> askb: I see only one root= parameter in the linux lines.
• 992[09:01:40] <cerealkill3r> Hey guys, i messed up my synaptics.conf and now my laptop wont boot into a DE , when I run startx it says k have a parse error in synaptica
• 993[09:01:50] <cerealkill3r> *synaptics
• 994[09:02:44] <askb> jelly, you mean in the debian menuentry ?
• 995[09:03:14] <jelly> askb: in your paste.
• 996[09:03:18] <askb> jelly, could you please update the pastebin with what you see?
• 997[09:03:50] <jelly> meseira: no, but you probably want to find the binaries used for the driver, run "ldd /path/to/said/binary" then figure out what it's missing and install the relevant :i386 packages
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• 999[09:04:10] <jelly> askb: I don't see anything wrong there. What fails to work for you?
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• 1001[09:05:25] <cauliflower> sypher: Followed this but my IP is still the same: replaced-url
• 1002[09:05:41] <jelly> askb: do you have a dual boot system, or what? Where's your own debian installation?
• 1003[09:05:58] <sypher> cauliflower: It likely well will be.
• 1004[09:06:16] <askb> ok, noting fails, but some provisioning issue we have which work with ubuntu but fails on deb and I am trying to figure it out sadly with limited info
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• 1006[09:06:29] <sypher> cauliflower: You will continue to have the same IP until the IP address lease (DHCP lease) at your ISP expires.
• 1007[09:06:35] <cauliflower> Ah
• 1008[09:06:36] <cauliflower> lol
• 1009[09:06:44] * cauliflower wonder when that will be
• 1010[09:06:56] <sypher> cauliflower: Or, if you're getting an IP from your router, when the lease in your router expires.
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• 1012[09:07:07] <sypher> cauliflower: Anywhere from minutes to over a week, depending on the ISP/router configuration.
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• 1014[09:07:40] <askb> I dont have access to my deb8 atm, if you dont mind sharing or point to a link which has the correct info
• 1015[09:07:46] <askb> jelly, ^^
• 1016[09:07:59] <sypher> cauliflower: Further complicating the matter is that your client will, typically, renew the lease halfway to expiry, so the lease will continue to exist until the device is offline for long enough for the lease to expire.
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• 1018[09:08:21] <cauliflower> sypher: Ah
• 1019[09:10:13] <cauliflower> sypher: ipconfig/renew gives you a new IP right?
• 1020[09:10:24] <sypher> cauliflower: ... No. For the reason I stated above.
• 1021[09:10:37] <sypher> cauliflower: If there is an active lease, you'll just get the same IP right back, because it's associated to you already.
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• 1023[09:10:52] <cauliflower> Ah
• 1024[09:11:03] <cauliflower> If it expires, you get a new one
• 1025[09:11:13] <sypher> cauliflower: Correct. But if it hasn't expired yet, you'll get the same one back.
• 1026[09:11:16] <cauliflower> So ipconfig/renew is something you could use to hopefully get a new IP right?
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• 1028[09:11:49] <sypher> cauliflower: Yes, but it very rarely results in a new IP, because lease.
• 1029[09:11:56] <cauliflower> Ah
• 1030[09:12:00] <cauliflower> Got it
• 1031[09:13:01] <jelly> askb: I don't have a default setup so it's not really relevant.
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• 1034[09:14:20] <cluelessperson> Why is debian's file structure so annoying and spread out?
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• 1036[09:14:44] <cluelessperson> /usr/local/share What does that mean? /var/ ? /var/lib ? /etc/ ?
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• 1040[09:16:31] <ramix> /etc/ is a configuration dedicated directory
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• 1042[09:16:38] <askb> jelly, oh you mean you dont have deb8 atm ...
• 1043[09:16:57] <cluelessperson> ramix, Why not have a root configuration directory?
• 1044[09:17:04] <cluelessperson> ramix, /config
• 1045[09:17:18] <sypher> cluelessperson: That's what /etc/ is.
• 1046[09:17:28] <cluelessperson> sypher, What's etc stand for?
• 1047[09:17:40] <jelly> !fhs
• 1048[09:17:40] <dpkg> Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See replaced-url
• 1049[09:17:46] <jelly> cluelessperson: ^^ read those
• 1050[09:18:03] <sypher> cluelessperson: Also, Google is your friend. The internet has this documented and explained ad nauseam.
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• 1054[09:19:24] <jelly> askb: I mean my own crazy grub config is not something I'd show you and make you wrongly think it's the norm
• 1055[09:19:58] <sypher> askb: Hold on, I've got a Debian 8 VM somewhere on my vSphere cluster that I haven't dinked with.
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• 1058[09:20:14] <askb> jelly, not your systems ... i from the wiki for a spare test setup, sorry, I was not clear
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• 1061[09:21:20] <jelly> askb: I have no idea what you mean. What's your native language?
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• 1066[09:22:13] <sypher> askb: Which file are you looking for exactly.
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• 1068[09:22:24] <askb> jelly, not from your pc, I through you could direct me to wiki page quickly or from a spare test setup/vm, sorry, I was not clear, yes my first language is not english, please bear with me
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• 1071[09:23:05] <askb> sypher, '/etc/default/grub' and possibly the grub menuentry of debian8
• 1072[09:24:00] <sypher> askb: /etc/default/grub: replaced-url
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• 1074[09:24:10] <sypher> askb: /boot/grub/grub.cfg: replaced-url
• 1075[09:24:57] <askb> sypher, both link are blocked, can you please put it on a paste bin ?
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• 1077[09:25:32] <sypher> askb: Why would they be blocked? Accessing from work or something?
• 1078[09:26:02] <askb> no ideas :(
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• 1080[09:26:39] <jelly> askb: can you access paste.debian.net
• 1081[09:26:46] <askb> sypher, please ignore its working through the vpn now
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• 1086[09:28:24] <askb> jelly, yup i can
• 1087[09:28:40] <askb> sorry guys its still not working, my bad
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• 1089[09:29:26] <meseira> jelly: thanks for the advice but I don't see what dep could be missing... For the several binaries that come with Brother's driver, I get linux-gate.so.1, libc.so.6 and /lib/ld-linux.so.2
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• 1091[09:29:49] <meseira> I think that all of them are satisfied...
• 1092[09:30:29] <meseira> One more dep is libbrcomplpr2.so but symbolic link for it is properly set by the Brother's package
• 1093[09:30:51] <jelly> meseira: does the driver come in a package? Are you sure you looked at all the ELF binary files it contains?
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• 1096[09:31:34] <jelly> meseira: what about that libbrcomplpr2.so itself?
• 1097[09:32:07] <meseira> jelly: yes, the driver come in two packages (LPR+cupswrapper). All the binaries listed with 'dpkg -L' have been checked
• 1098[09:32:50] <meseira> # ls -l /usr/lib32/libbrcomplpr2.so
• 1099[09:32:51] <meseira> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Mar 25 21:53 /usr/lib32/libbrcomplpr2.so -> /usr/lib/libbrcomplpr2.so
• 1100[09:33:14] <meseira> # ls -l /usr/lib/libbrcomplpr2.so
• 1101[09:33:14] <meseira> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 53606 Jan 25 2008 /usr/lib/libbrcomplpr2.so
• 1102[09:33:35] <jelly> meseira: and "ldd /usr/lib/libbrcomplpr2.so" says everything is present?
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• 1104[09:34:13] <meseira> # ldd /usr/lib/libbrcomplpr2.so
• 1105[09:34:13] <meseira> linux-gate.so.1 (0xf7780000)
• 1106[09:34:13] <meseira> libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xf75bd000)
• 1107[09:34:13] <meseira> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf7783000)
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• 1109[09:34:14] <jelly> 2008, oh my
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• 1112[09:34:47] <meseira> jelly: arf, banned... but back
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• 1118[09:35:31] <meseira> jelly: so, yes, everything seems to be here for libbrcomplpr2.so (it comes with Brother's LPR package)
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• 1120[09:36:24] <jelly> they should probably get on with the times... lpr and a custom wrapper to make cups work?
• 1121[09:37:04] <jelly> and binaries from 2008, something was bound to break sooner or later
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• 1123[09:37:26] <meseira> jelly: I know, that is a shame to provide such a thing in 2016
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• 1126[09:37:49] <meseira> jelly: but this is the Brother's way and it is not open source
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• 1128[09:38:16] <jelly> maybe you can connect the thing to a 32bit debian 7 or 6 installation and share the printer via cups
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• 1131[09:39:29] <meseira> jelly: this is what I plan but prefer to avoid... I don't want to throw this printer and my print server is already in use
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• 1133[09:39:46] <meseira> for other printer (and it is amd64 Debian Jessie)
• 1134[09:40:30] <meseira> jelly: but if this driver continue to break my balls, I think about moving everything to x86 Debian
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• 1149[09:51:10] <cauliflower> Hi!
• 1150[09:51:23] <cauliflower> I have a homework to make a CD toolkit to make my computer run efficiently
• 1151[09:51:59] <cauliflower> It requires software such as firewall, antivirus, spyware checker, file shredder and duplicate file finder.
• 1152[09:52:18] <cauliflower> I already have bleachbit, duff and wireshark
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• 1154[09:54:30] <cauliflower> I believe they belong to duplicate file finder and file shredder.
• 1155[09:54:44] <cauliflower> So I'm missing firewall, antivirus and spyware checker
• 1156[09:54:50] <cauliflower> Oh, I forgot clamav :D
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• 1158[09:54:55] <cauliflower> Ok I already have antivirus
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• 1194[10:13:39] <sypher> cauliflower: Do you know what Wireshark does, and how to use it?
• 1195[10:14:00] <sypher> cauliflower: Because I can tell you don't. :P
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• 1199[10:15:49] <Aussie_matt> hi all, can someone point me to the iso/image I need on my local mirror please? I need the image talked about on this page replaced-url
• 1200[10:17:24] <markybob> Aussie_matt: replaced-url
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• 1206[10:19:19] <Aussie_matt> markybob: I'll see if i can find that on my mirror
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• 1209[10:19:38] <MaBunny> Hey guys
• 1210[10:19:58] <MaBunny> Does the swap space hav to be bootable??
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• 1212[10:20:34] <MaBunny> And how do i manually make a partition swap?
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• 1214[10:20:51] <MaBunny> By naming it /swap???
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• 1219[10:22:39] <MaBunny> Im installing jessie on my pendrive
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• 1225[10:24:19] <MaBunny> Guys???
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• 1227[10:25:25] <MaBunny> Is anybody out there?
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• 1230[10:26:58] <MaBunny> markybob: you there bro??
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• 1234[10:28:36] <MaBunny> Pls help me guys
• 1235[10:28:40] <jelly> [circkets]
• 1236[10:28:55] <jelly> MaBunny: what fails to work?
• 1237[10:29:17] <MaBunny> No,im reinstalling my jessie
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• 1239[10:29:43] <MaBunny> I want to kno what to name my swap space n
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• 1241[10:30:03] <jelly> MaBunny: you don't name it at all
• 1242[10:30:15] <MaBunny> Ifvto set its flag as bootable
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• 1244[10:30:27] <MaBunny> *if to
• 1245[10:30:38] <jelly> no need to do that, either
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• 1247[10:30:49] <MaBunny> So any name will do??
• 1248[10:31:17] <jelly> MaBunny: you don't need a name. Are you in the installer right now?
• 1249[10:31:29] <MaBunny> Ok so what is the command to make swap
• 1250[10:31:31] <MaBunny> Yes
• 1251[10:31:40] <jelly> are you using guided partitioning?
• 1252[10:31:51] <MaBunny> No manual
• 1253[10:31:51] <clbk> hello everybody. I have a question about firefox. I've read that debian repacks an unbranded firefox calling it 'iceweasel'. That's ok. I'm running testing and I've found a package called 'firefox-esr'. What's the meaning of this package?
• 1254[10:31:58] <MaBunny> I did it b4
• 1255[10:33:11] <MaBunny> Should i do guided one??
• 1256[10:33:33] <MaBunny> And does it say anything of swap space??
• 1257[10:33:55] <Scuttle> anyone know how I can get the debian installer to ask for a hosname during preseeding? Right now it pulls host name from dhcp-server
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• 1263[10:38:07] <Scuttle> clbk: Debian is renaming iceweasel back to firefox
• 1264[10:38:14] <hailhydra> ok round 2
• 1265[10:38:55] <hailhydra> So I installed Debian last night for the first time in years. I still don't have sound. Can someone help?
• 1266[10:39:16] <MaBunny> Done!!
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• 1268[10:39:23] <clbk> Scuttle, oh! I haven't noticed it yet. Where can I find more informations about that?
• 1269[10:39:29] <jelly> MaBunny: figured it out?
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• 1271[10:40:19] <Scuttle> clbk: replaced-url
• 1272[10:40:20] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1273[10:40:22] <MaBunny> Yes
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• 1275[10:40:46] <MaBunny> jelly: what is the size of the boot loader??
• 1276[10:41:05] <clbk> Scuttle, thanks a lot and have a nice day
• 1277[10:41:10] <clbk> goodbye
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• 1279[10:41:18] <MaBunny> I want to hav a separate boot loader partition
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• 1281[10:41:52] <mms_> how do I clean up some old kernels like wheezy since know I have jessie installed
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• 1283[10:42:04] <hailhydra> autoclean
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• 1285[10:42:27] <mms_> I have quite a few entries in grub
• 1286[10:42:36] <MaBunny> Or is it ok to hav the root and the bootloader on the same partition??
• 1287[10:43:11] <hailhydra> why do some people put their bootloader on a separate partition? What is the benifit?
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• 1289[10:43:18] <MaBunny> Idk
• 1290[10:44:00] <MaBunny> Well,it might not corrupt the boot loader if its read only
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• 1292[10:44:19] <MaBunny> And if no one formats it
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• 1298[10:45:08] <MaBunny> Ok leave it
• 1299[10:45:27] <digdilem> hailhydra, largely for legacy reasons. when hard drives were small it made sense to have separate partitions for everything
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• 1301[10:45:51] <jelly> MaBunny: most of the boot loader is outside partitions, a small bit in MBR and a larger part in the unallocated space between the MBR and the first partition.
• 1302[10:45:55] <hailhydra> ok this is weird. I have video playback on Youtube now but all videos play with no sound and at like 3x speed, chromium and FF
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• 1304[10:47:32] <jelly> hailhydra: maybe they meant a separate /boot partition. This enables use of older, less capable boot managers and gives you more options for recovery.
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• 1307[10:48:04] <karlpinc> hailhydra: And you can't encrypt the stuff needed for boot....
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• 1312[10:49:26] <hailhydra> Can someone help me with my sound issue? I have alsa and pulseaudio installed.
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• 1315[10:51:31] <hailhydra> when I log in as root I'm not in the audio group.
• 1316[10:51:39] <hailhydra> Do I need to add root to audio group?
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• 1320[10:53:03] <hailhydra> If I run speaker-test in root I get this error replaced-url
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• 1326[10:57:32] <dutchfish> hailhydra, well, you normally don't run as root, a normal user needs to be member of the audio group. You could try that, but there are more things you need to do, basically braking some other things.
• 1327[10:57:50] <hailhydra> normal user is in audio group
• 1328[10:58:28] <hailhydra> looks like newer intel boards have a kernel conflict with Realtek ALC887
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• 1330[10:58:41] <hailhydra> weird cause this machine works fine in Ubuntu
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• 1333[10:59:12] <hailhydra> I'm reading that I need alsa-daily
• 1334[10:59:18] <dutchfish> hailhydra, look at dmesg output, is the sound card detected properly?
• 1335[11:00:08] <dutchfish> hailhydra, also lspci
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• 1337[11:00:52] <dutchfish> hailhydra, what debian are you running?
• 1338[11:01:08] <darsie> cat /etc/debian_version
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• 1340[11:01:18] <dutchfish> hailhydra, cat /etc/debian_version
• 1341[11:01:25] <hailhydra> 8.3
• 1342[11:01:26] <dutchfish> :)
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• 1344[11:01:36] <hailhydra> what am I looking for in dmesg ?
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• 1346[11:02:10] <dutchfish> hailhydra, errors on your card and if not what your system 'thinks' your audio card is.
• 1347[11:02:12] <hailhydra> its like 843 lines long
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• 1350[11:02:55] <dutchfish> hailhydra, lspci | grep Audio
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• 1353[11:03:25] <hailhydra> 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Device a170 (rev 31)
• 1354[11:03:31] <hailhydra> 03:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GK104 HDMI Audio Controller (rev a1)
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• 1357[11:03:39] <hailhydra> two entires
• 1358[11:04:12] <dutchfish> hailhydra, ok, does the first one match up with your hardware?
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• 1360[11:04:49] <hailhydra> I think. Its an Asus board with Intel chipset
• 1361[11:04:57] <dutchfish> hailhydra, if so, you probably need to roll your own driver
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• 1366[11:05:20] <hailhydra> ASUS H170
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• 1368[11:05:28] <hailhydra> it worked just fine in ubuntu
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• 1372[11:06:15] <hailhydra> But I screwed up Ubuntu by trying to remove Zeitgeist so I decided to give Debian a go
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• 1374[11:07:06] <dutchfish> hailhydra, oh, a sec
• 1375[11:07:29] <dutchfish> hailhydra, can you pastebin (not in here) the output of `pacmd list-cards`
• 1376[11:08:12] <hailhydra> Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/1000/pulse): Permission denied
• 1377[11:08:19] <hailhydra> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
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• 1388[11:11:39] <hailhydra> lspci -vv says Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
• 1389[11:11:41] <dutchfish> hailhydra, what i gues is happening that the nvidia audi is mesing up the kernel (prolly by a lack of driver), either blacklist that or find a blob for your nvidia card (no idea how to solve that, i dont use nvidia) the intel card should then work, at least in jessie or higher, my best bet is stretch atm. Ask other for the nvidia part.
• 1390[11:12:16] <dutchfish> yes
• 1391[11:13:00] <dutchfish> hailhydra, but pulse audio cant start because of the embedded audio in that other card
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• 1393[11:13:27] <hailhydra> I think its from my graphics cards HDMI ports
• 1394[11:13:33] <dutchfish> yes
• 1395[11:13:54] <dutchfish> hailhydra, either try to blacklist that one or install the nvdia blob
• 1396[11:14:03] <hailhydra> maybe I should get a binary from nvidia
• 1397[11:14:20] <dutchfish> hailhydra, i believe thats integrated in the cards driver software
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• 1399[11:15:10] <hailhydra> there are tons of solutions for Ubuntu but I don't see one for Debian
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• 1402[11:15:38] <dutchfish> hailhydra, try blacklisting it, that shouldnt be hard, just to test if the intel one is then functional over pulse audio.
• 1403[11:15:52] <hailhydra> how do I do that?
• 1404[11:16:00] <dutchfish> hailhydra, well, i just told you, how
• 1405[11:16:11] <dutchfish> !blacklist
• 1406[11:16:11] <dpkg> To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. replaced-url
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• 1412[11:18:44] <hailhydra> how do I get the module name? I don't get it
• 1413[11:19:10] <teraflops> Lsmod?
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• 1415[11:19:15] <dutchfish> hailhydra, either by the logs, or by looking what is loaded
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• 1417[11:21:34] <dutchfish> hailhydra, you could start here to get the basics and the links in it replaced-url
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• 1419[11:22:22] <hailhydra> there is Nvidia 48 and drm 3 nvidia
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• 1422[11:22:48] <dutchfish> hailhydra, i dont know much about nvidia, you could ask others
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• 1427[11:24:46] <hailhydra> is this how Debian alwasy is? I mean I've done Arch and I've done Gentoo. I don't have a desire to fiddle with Linux all day. I just need vim and python. And I thought we were far enough in Linux where we don't have these problems anymore.
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• 1430[11:26:07] <tulphoon> hailhydra, you want to blacklist the default driver?
• 1431[11:26:08] <rudi_s> hailhydra: Well, if you use Debian stable, you won't have to fiddle with it once it starts working ;-)
• 1432[11:26:20] <tulphoon> like GPU one
• 1433[11:26:32] <hailhydra> I thought I was on stable?
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• 1436[11:27:21] <hailhydra> It looks like Ubuntu had problems with Intel skylake back in October but when I installed everything worked out of the box for me.
• 1437[11:27:25] <tulphoon> you have to set it up, when you do you have no morep roblems :)
• 1438[11:27:41] <tulphoon> unless you change anythin
• 1439[11:27:47] <mintux> when i use tar it returns error tar: .htaccess: Cannot stat: No such file or directory how can i tell it skip if doesn't find this file?
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• 1442[11:28:43] <teraflops> hailhydra: have you done arch and gentoo and you don't know how to list loaded modules or blacklist a single module?
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• 1446[11:29:04] <hailhydra> Honestly I switched to Debian becuase I was having nothing but problems with nodejs on Ubuntu and heard npm works better on debian. I didn't know I was gonna have to spend 2 days to get sound working
• 1447[11:29:06] <teraflops> Holly cow...
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• 1449[11:29:38] <hailhydra> teraflops: I write python and JS all day. My linux admin skills are next to nothing.
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• 1451[11:29:45] <ewew> are you sure you dont have it muted ?
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• 1453[11:30:00] <hailhydra> I'm not sure to be honest
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• 1456[11:30:22] <hailhydra> alsamixer says 100% on master channel but i has MM at the bottom
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• 1458[11:30:30] <hailhydra> *it has
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• 1460[11:31:07] <teraflops> hailhydra: not meant to offend you. It's just weird
• 1461[11:31:31] <hailhydra> oh no offense I'll take any help or critisism I can
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• 1465[11:31:54] <tulphoon> hailhydra, you have it muted then
• 1466[11:32:00] <teraflops> Press.space to unmuting things in alsamixer
• 1467[11:32:02] <tugrik> hailhydra: that means that channel is muted - press the space bar
• 1468[11:32:19] <teraflops> Or it was m....
• 1469[11:32:28] <teraflops> I don't remember
• 1470[11:32:37] <teraflops> Ah space
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• 1472[11:34:29] <hailhydra> strange now Youtube videos won't play again
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• 1474[11:34:44] <hailhydra> let me try Firefox
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• 1476[11:35:17] <mintux> any idea?
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• 1479[11:36:03] <hailhydra> okay we are getting somewhere
• 1480[11:36:03] <mintux> tar: .htaccess: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
• 1481[11:36:03] <mintux> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
• 1482[11:36:05] <Aussie_matt> does anyone know if there is a uefi 32 bit live image?
• 1483[11:36:34] <hailhydra> firefox videos play video but still no sound
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• 1499[11:39:58] <hailhydra> Can someone tell me whats the difference between Ubuntu and Debian?
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• 1501[11:40:10] <darsie> Ubuntu is based on debian.
• 1502[11:40:29] <bazhang> lots of web tutorials on that hailhydra
• 1503[11:40:57] <hailhydra> Is there more hardware supported by Ubuntu or Debian?
• 1504[11:41:33] <darsie> debian is more complete and a good choice for servers, while Ubuntu is more targeted as desktop OS, IMO.
• 1505[11:41:35] <bazhang> mintux, what version of debian
• 1506[11:41:46] <r6ku> ubuntu is debian for the masses
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• 1509[11:42:39] <hailhydra> r6ku: what is the debain for developers? I want that one.
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• 1511[11:43:22] <darsie> There is no debian for developers. But if you want to develop debian you can look into debian testing or unstable.
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• 1518[11:43:59] <darsie> If you want to develop on debian install whatever programming language you want.
• 1519[11:44:01] <polyzen> hailhydra, all these questions are easily answered by your search engine :p
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• 1521[11:44:05] <hailhydra> No I already contribute to too many projects
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• 1523[11:44:11] <mintux> bazhang: 6
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• 1525[11:44:25] <bazhang> mintux, why so old
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• 1528[11:45:01] <bazhang> mintux, what are you trying to do with tar
• 1529[11:45:06] <hailhydra> polyzen: is this not a channel for debian discussion?
• 1530[11:45:17] <mintux> bazhang: its on server i need to tar some folder some folder has .htaccess some not so it's on script i need to skip if doesn't find .htaccesss
• 1531[11:45:28] <bazhang> hailhydra, thats the debian offtopic channel
• 1532[11:45:34] <bazhang> hailhydra, here is support
• 1533[11:45:45] <hailhydra> okay gotcha
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• 1535[11:46:17] <bazhang> where'd you get that script mintux
• 1536[11:46:30] <mintux> i wrote it
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• 1544[11:47:48] <bazhang> mintux, is this some sort of backup script or what
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• 1553[11:49:07] <mintux> bazhang: yes
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• 1555[11:49:55] <bazhang> mintux, is there a reason you are not just using the tools in debian instead of that script
• 1556[11:50:36] <bazhang> mintux, you want to backup from where to where
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• 1569[11:54:24] <hailhydra> how do I mount a usb thrumb drive?
• 1570[11:54:44] <bazhang> permanently?
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• 1574[11:55:40] <hailhydra> just so I can dd a ubuntu image to it
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• 1584[11:59:30] <teraflops> hailhydra: if you want to dd an image to it the drive has to be unmounted
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• 1597[12:02:42] <hailhydra> teraflops so how do I unmount it?
• 1598[12:02:52] <r6ku> hailhydra: did you try to get a newer kernel from debian backports?
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• 1600[12:03:33] <hailhydra> r6ku: no how do I do that? And is that gonna fix my sound and video issues?
• 1601[12:03:40] <teraflops> hailhydra: lsblk tell you where is mounted and whatbthe device is. Just unmount it with the umount command
• 1602[12:03:50] <teraflops> Tells*
• 1603[12:03:56] <r6ku> hailhydra: newer versions of the linux kernel have better hardware support, it might
• 1604[12:04:07] <hailhydra> how do you guys remember all this stuff?
• 1605[12:04:17] <r6ku> we have good documentation
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• 1607[12:04:42] <r6ku> hailhydra: replaced-url
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• 1609[12:05:23] <hailhydra> this desktop is like 80% done I'd hate to give up on it but 2 days of trying to fix sound is just costing me money
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• 1616[12:06:22] <hailhydra> r6ku: what am I looking for in backports?
• 1617[12:07:25] <r6ku> !bdo kernel
• 1618[12:07:25] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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• 1627[12:08:41] <hailhydra> looks like I have backports main contrib and non-free already
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• 1631[12:10:55] <hailhydra> why are the newer kernels in "backports" shouldn't it be in "newports" ? just sayin'
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• 1634[12:11:25] <r6ku> it gets backported from the debian testing/sid
• 1635[12:12:11] <r6ku> wrangled my words there, they software in backports is from the development branches of debian
• 1636[12:12:32] <r6ku> damnit, I need a spellchecker -.-
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• 1638[12:13:25] <r6ku> hailhydra: anyway the latest backported kernel is 4.3, get that and reboot to see if it fixes the audio problems
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• 1643[12:14:45] <hailhydra> I tried sudo aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-4.3.0.0.bpo.1-amd64
• 1644[12:14:51] <hailhydra> and it didn't give me anything
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• 1646[12:15:28] <r6ku> did you remember to update your sources?
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• 1648[12:16:23] <jelly> hailhydra: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64" and "apt-cache policy"
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• 1654[12:19:22] <hailhydra> jelly: replaced-url
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• 1673[12:27:09] <hailhydra> jelly: well? is there a newer kernel for me to use?
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• 1675[12:28:19] <r6ku> looks like it, the bpo kernel does show up in the version table
• 1676[12:28:40] <hailhydra> how do I get it?
• 1677[12:28:58] <jelly> hailhydra: something like: aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64
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• 1679[12:29:28] <towo`> it would be a good idea to install the headers from backports too
• 1680[12:29:51] <jelly> only if they need non-free drivers built
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• 1682[12:30:30] <r6ku> I think he had some nvidia stuff too?
• 1683[12:31:02] <hailhydra> does Stallman use Linux?
• 1684[12:31:18] <r6ku> hailhydra: did you manage to install the kernel?
• 1685[12:31:23] <towo`> not only non-free has out of tree drivers
• 1686[12:31:37] <hailhydra> it finished and says Current status: 53 updates [-1].
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• 1688[12:31:54] <hailhydra> so I'm guessing apt-get update
• 1689[12:31:58] <hailhydra> and then reboot?
• 1690[12:32:03] <jelly> sounds like your system is unpatched, too
• 1691[12:32:16] <hailhydra> jelly: what does that mean?
• 1692[12:32:30] <jelly> hailhydra: it means 53 packages have patches
• 1693[12:32:39] <jelly> pending
• 1694[12:32:47] <hailhydra> so how do I patch them?
• 1695[12:32:56] <hailhydra> I've never heard of a patch. is this just a debian thing?
• 1696[12:33:19] <han-solo> telnet india.colorado.edu 13
• 1697[12:33:19] <jelly> security fixes. updates. call them whatever you want.
• 1698[12:33:22] <han-solo> so cool!
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• 1700[12:33:31] <r6ku> upgrades*
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• 1702[12:34:08] <hailhydra> so just apt-get upgrade right?
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• 1704[12:34:24] <jelly> hailhydra: "apt-get update" merely refreshes apt's knowledge of what's available in the repositories. You need to upgrade or dist-upgrade.
• 1705[12:34:42] <r6ku> hailhydra: since you asked about stallman... replaced-url
• 1706[12:34:46] <hailhydra> I ran upgrade and it didn't do anyting
• 1707[12:35:13] <hailhydra> k rebooting
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• 1709[12:35:22] <Arkadietz> hello guys,
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• 1711[12:35:45] <Arkadietz> is there any tool i can test fastest dns server for me
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• 1718[12:37:52] <hailhydra> oh man this is terrible
• 1719[12:37:57] <hailhydra> mouse doesnt work
• 1720[12:38:00] <hailhydra> one monitor
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• 1723[12:38:09] <hailhydra> 1024 resolution
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• 1726[12:39:08] <r6ku> ugh really?
• 1727[12:39:09] <hailhydra> If I wasn't in i3wm I wouldn;t be able to do anything and tell you guys how this new kernel sucks
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• 1730[12:40:02] <user_12342> Allah is doing
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• 1732[12:40:17] <user_12342> sun is not doing Allah is doing
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• 1734[12:40:27] <hailhydra> well guys I appreciate all the help. But I just don't feel like Debian has newer hardware supported and I need to go back to Ubuntu until the next stable Debian release
• 1735[12:40:37] <user_12342> moon is not doing Allah is doing
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• 1737[12:40:49] <han-solo> somebody!
• 1738[12:40:50] <r6ku> hailhydra: I agree, get your work environment up with ubuntu
• 1739[12:40:50] <user_12342> stars are not doing Allah is doing
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• 1741[12:41:06] <user_12342> planets are not doing Allah is doing
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• 1744[12:41:34] <hailhydra> thanks a lot. I really wanted to get away from Ubuntu but Intel skylake is a pretty new chipset.
• 1745[12:41:48] <hailhydra> I'll be back
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• 1747[12:41:58] <r6ku> hailhydra: sorry we couldn't be more helpful
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• 1783[13:03:16] <Arkadietz> anyone ??
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• 1858[13:31:44] <wh0ami> how can i define log name of a screen? im running: " screen -LAmdS test ./file " and this writes to screenlog.0 but i want to change to something like the date or if not possible, how can i do to let screen log everything inside it to file?
• 1859[13:32:37] <han-solo> you can use script i guess
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• 1861[13:32:54] <han-solo> man script
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• 1864[13:33:26] <SuD> hi, in Gimp i'm trying to open an image from a web using "Open Location", and I always get "No such file or directory"
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• 1866[13:33:58] * SuD using recently installed debian stable 64 bits, looks like a problem with gvfs
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• 1868[13:35:32] <hexnewbie> SuD: I've found "Open location..." to be pretty unrealiable. Copying the image in the browser and pressing Ctrl+Shift+V in Gimp often works better.
• 1869[13:35:48] <SuD> except for animated GIFs
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• 1871[13:36:31] <hexnewbie> Well, yeah, then saving to disk is often the only option, sadly
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• 1873[13:37:07] <SuD> i'm playing with the package source, trying wget or curl backends instead of gvfs to see...
• 1874[13:37:25] <SuD> the thing is that when i was on debian 32 bit (last month) this bug didn't happen
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• 1881[13:39:29] <Arkadietz> is there any tool i can test fastest dns server for me?
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• 1915[13:53:58] <Aussie_matt> can anyone point me to a 32bit efi live iso? does it exist? or am I out of luck?
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• 1921[13:57:11] <SuD> Arkadietz: maybe this code works (you still need a DNS list file) replaced-url
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• 1923[13:57:26] <XeonSquared> Aussie_matt: I couldn't find one for any distro
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• 1925[13:57:36] <XeonSquared> Lemme guess, cheap Windows 8 or 10 tablet?
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• 1929[13:58:57] <Aussie_matt> XeonSquared: haha, yes. I did a quick google, some people have had luck so I grabbed one.... I want a live distro so I can dd the original drive before I go installing. the debian dvd install boots, but I don't want to install with out dd'ing the drive
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• 1933[13:59:24] <XeonSquared> Aussie_matt: press ctrl-alt-f2 to get a terminal
• 1934[13:59:27] <XeonSquared> or rather a tty
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• 1936[13:59:31] <XeonSquared> dd using that
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• 1938[13:59:39] <Aussie_matt> oh wow.. let me try!
• 1939[13:59:54] <XeonSquared> actually the ctrl is optional if you're doing a GUI-less installk
• 1940[13:59:57] <XeonSquared> install*
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• 1942[14:00:34] <Arkadietz> missing dnslist.txt
• 1943[14:00:35] <Arkadietz> ;)
• 1944[14:01:24] <Aussie_matt> XeonSquared: so I'm at the install 'landing' page, with the different install types, but ctrl alt f2 isn't working :(
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• 1949[14:01:47] <XeonSquared> Aussie_matt: go for the text-only install
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• 1953[14:02:13] <Aussie_matt> XeonSquared: so 'start' 64bit install?
• 1954[14:02:18] <XeonSquared> I guess?
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• 1956[14:02:46] <XeonSquared> just as long as you don't write to the disk or do partitioning it should be fine
• 1957[14:03:05] <XeonSquared> once it asks for language and/or network config it should work
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• 1960[14:03:41] <Aussie_matt> ah yes.... of course...let's see
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• 1963[14:04:25] <XeonSquared> so you found an iso with a 32-bit EFI loader?
• 1964[14:04:28] <XeonSquared> even an installer one?
• 1965[14:04:32] <XeonSquared> I may require this
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• 1967[14:04:35] <XeonSquared> for research purposes
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• 1969[14:05:20] <Aussie_matt> XeonSquared: replaced-url
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• 1971[14:05:43] <z-zmh> :p
• 1972[14:05:52] <XeonSquared> deep magics
• 1973[14:05:54] <XeonSquared> thank you, good sir
• 1974[14:06:06] <Aussie_matt> XeonSquared: as per replaced-url
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• 1978[14:07:22] <XeonSquared> I might need to test this later
• 1979[14:07:26] <XeonSquared> wonderful
• 1980[14:07:30] <XeonSquared> wait
• 1981[14:07:31] <XeonSquared> Asus
• 1982[14:07:34] * XeonSquared goes to check his
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• 1995[14:10:28] <Aussie_matt> XeonSquared: well the good news is I have a terminal, and in /bin is dd! so I just need to mount a usb disk and then dd the harddrive over. I can't see mounting a usb drive being a problem can you?
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• 1999[14:10:49] <XeonSquared> should be easy enough
• 2000[14:11:19] <Aussie_matt> XeonSquared: I've been faffing about for the last 3 or 4 hours! you're a life saver!
• 2001[14:11:19] <XeonSquared> okay this box is 32-bit processor, 32-bit UEFI
• 2002[14:11:30] <XeonSquared> Aussie_matt: Happy to help :D
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• 2005[14:12:00] <Aussie_matt> that dvd should work for that I think
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• 2007[14:12:35] <Aussie_matt> mines 32 bit uefi, 64 bit processor...but you can run a 32 bit install...the 32bit efi is the tricky bit!
• 2008[14:12:51] <XeonSquared> I've got rEFInd on it
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• 2011[14:13:31] <lowin> Hello. I'm trying to install fglrx on my system, but the radeon module does not get blacklisted and loads every time I reboot my system. I checked /etc/modprobe.d/ and it is indeed listed as blacklist there, is there something I can do about this?
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• 2014[14:14:26] <towo`> lowin, and fglrx you have installed how?
• 2015[14:14:39] <lowin> apt-get
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• 2017[14:15:01] <lowin> I followed the wiki instruction on debian website
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• 2021[14:15:21] <towo`> have you rebuilt your initrd after installing?
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• 2024[14:15:47] <lowin> Yes, and it includes the radeon module in the initramfs
• 2025[14:15:52] <lowin> not sure why
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• 2031[14:17:34] <lowin> The following modules linked to radeon are also loaded btw, maybe they can give a clue: i2c_algo_bit drm_kms_helper ttm drm i2c_core
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• 2039[14:19:38] <Aussie_matt> XeonSquared: haven't heard of refind, interesting... so what device do you have?
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• 2042[14:21:20] <towo`> lowin, try to start your system with modprobe.blacklist=radeon as kernel parameter
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• 2045[14:22:41] <lowin> towo`, Alright, I'll try that and get back to you in a few minutes. thanks
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• 2052[14:25:51] <Aussie_matt> XeonSquared: I'm off to bed thanks for your help: I'll have a go at dd'ing when my heads fresh. thank you for your help!!!!!!!!!!!1 awesome
• 2053[14:25:59] <XeonSquared> Asus VivoTab TF810C
• 2054[14:26:01] <XeonSquared> Good luck, man
• 2055[14:26:07] <XeonSquared> have fun with it
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• 2057[14:26:47] <hiya> useradd username -Ml -s /bin/false <-- Can we beat this for auth of ovpn user using PAM?
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• 2066[14:28:21] <Aussie_matt> XeonSquared: good luck with the vivo!
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• 2100[14:38:09] <ProprietaryDevic> Cannot get both Steam and non-free nvidia drivers working on Debian 8 - system fails loading before login screen.
• 2101[14:38:24] <towo`> and?
• 2102[14:38:31] <towo`> is that a riddle for us?
• 2103[14:38:46] <lowin> towo`, So I tried modprobe.blacklist=radeon and it didn't help. But i removed the radeon line in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and it didn't get included in initramfs so now kernel is forced to work with fglrx
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• 2106[14:39:28] <lowin> Now everything works but my concern is that I will definitely forget to add that line back when I want to go back to radeon :s
• 2107[14:39:30] <ProprietaryDevic> What are thr rules? the guidelines aren't coming up. Sorry for requesting help in the wrong format
• 2108[14:40:33] <ProprietaryDevic> Nevermind, I'm dumb.
• 2109[14:40:33] <towo`> lowin, in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules shoild not be radeon, if so, then it was yourself
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• 2111[14:40:55] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, "system fails loading before login screen." is saying zero
• 2112[14:41:11] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, and no one knows your hardware and how you have installed things
• 2113[14:41:14] <lowin> towo`, oh.. maybe it was me.. then it's all good I guess. thanks for help
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• 2115[14:42:25] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: Alright, I'm new. The other support chat I've been on had strict rules on being brief and stating your problem, not asking for help.
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• 2123[14:46:06] <ProprietaryDevic> Fresh install Debian 8 (GNOME3). Cannot get non-free drivers for nvidia GTX 660 and Steam working. "Oh no something went wrong" message screen before login screen. Installing nvidia-driver does not work. Installing the using kernel modules works, Steam breaks the driver.
• 2124[14:46:14] <ProprietaryDevic> Better?
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• 2126[14:46:42] <towo`> no, not better
• 2127[14:47:13] <towo`> paste the output of dpkg -l | grep nvidia and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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• 2130[14:48:05] <ProprietaryDevic> Is there a package I can install to upload terminal output to paste.debian.org?
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• 2132[14:48:21] <towo`> pastebinit#
• 2133[14:48:24] <towo`> grr
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• 2135[14:48:25] <towo`> pastebinit
• 2136[14:49:08] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, after installing, you can do dpkg -l | grep nvidia | pastebinit and pastebinit < /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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• 2142[14:51:19] <ProprietaryDevic> Cheers. I get that a lot of people don't do their research before asking for help, I'm trying, just a lot to learn that comes through practice
• 2143[14:52:49] <ProprietaryDevic> I have to disconnect from this PC to connect the one in question to ethernet, brb
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• 2150[14:54:56] <ProprietaryDevic> Well apparently my neighbour's wifi is in range
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• 2169[14:58:29] <Freed-Millionair> Earn Money with your shit ! Now is possible 5 dollars per hours
• 2170[14:58:29] <Freed-Millionair> Visit this website = replaced-url
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• 2189[15:05:53] <ProprietaryDevic> Fresh Debian 8 install - GNOME. GTX 660. nvidia-driver fails install. nvidia site installer works, but Steam attempts reconfigure which fails. dpkg -l | grep nvidia: paste.debian.net/418857, /var/log/Xorg.0.log: paste.debian.net/418858
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• 2192[15:06:16] <ProprietaryDevic> dpkg -l | grep nvidia: replaced-url
• 2193[15:06:16] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep nvidia: replaced-url
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• 2196[15:06:51] <ProprietaryDevic> I wasn't searching it..
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• 2201[15:08:37] <TomTomTosch> you used the installer from the nvidia site?
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• 2203[15:09:10] <ProprietaryDevic> TomTomTosch: After nvidia-driver didn't work, yes.
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• 2207[15:10:13] <TomTomTosch> that's often a bad idea and might break things in the long run.
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• 2209[15:10:36] <ProprietaryDevic> Yes. I'm happy to try and get nvidia-driver working
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• 2215[15:13:39] <teraflops> ProprietaryDevic: yeah bad idea.
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• 2219[15:14:33] <ProprietaryDevic> teraflops: Okay, I'll do a fresh install (if necessary) and try figure out what nvidia-driver doesn't work
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• 2221[15:15:16] <teraflops> Fresh install sounds overkill. Did you look at the debian wiki
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• 2223[15:16:03] <TomTomTosch> i think the nvidia drivvers have a remove script somewhere.
• 2224[15:16:05] <ProprietaryDevic> teraflops: It doesn't take too long and I don't know enough to fix the current install. Yes, I followed the instructions on replaced-url
• 2225[15:16:15] <teraflops> Sorry I cannot give you the url right now It's easy to find though
• 2226[15:16:44] <teraflops> ProprietaryDevic: ah. Well it's up to you
• 2227[15:16:55] <TomTomTosch> ProprietaryDevic, you can do that. we will help you then to debug your problem.
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• 2229[15:17:38] <ProprietaryDevic> teraflops: TomTomTosch Okay, thanks. That's probably preferred, it's nice to know my system isn't likely to break any kernel update
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• 2244[15:23:39] <korhojoa> how do i get that to stop happening?
• 2245[15:23:46] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, you haven't created a xorg.conf for using the nvidia-driver
• 2246[15:24:28] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, and maybe 340.96 does not support your card, so maybe in backports is a newer version of nvidia-driver
• 2247[15:24:50] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: nvidia-detect and nvidia's site seem to say it's supported
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• 2251[15:25:29] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, then do mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
• 2252[15:25:57] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, and check with dkms status if the nvidia-module was build for your running kernel
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• 2255[15:26:15] <r6ku> yup, gtx 660 is supported by 340.65
• 2256[15:26:19] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: Oh sorry, I forgot to tag you, I'm currently doing a fresh install and using nvidia-driver instead of nvidia's install script
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• 2262[15:28:17] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, doesn't matter, you need that x-config snipped
• 2263[15:29:31] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: Do I do that after installing nvidia-driver?
• 2264[15:29:50] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, from your paste, you have installed the driver
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• 2268[15:30:04] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, so do it
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• 2270[15:30:20] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: I'm doing a fresh install, it's just rebooting into a fresh Debian 8
• 2271[15:31:19] <transhuman_> hi is there any command besides an actual full install that gives more output than "apt-get install <pkg> --simulate"
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• 2289[15:44:09] <Samouy> Hello, I am looking for people who have a Dell XPS 13 with Debian stable/testing/unstable installed on it
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• 2300[15:48:47] <karlpinc> !tell Samouy about anyone
• 2301[15:48:54] <ProprietaryDevic> teraflops: TomTomTosch: towo`: Fresh install complete, I installed nvidia-driver by following replaced-url
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• 2304[15:49:36] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, have you done the mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf?
• 2305[15:49:40] <teraflops> ProprietaryDevic: hmm are you using gdm3?
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• 2308[15:49:51] <ProprietaryDevic> teraflops: Yes
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• 2310[15:50:06] <teraflops> ProprietaryDevic: give a try to.lightdm
• 2311[15:50:09] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: I asked if I should do that after my fresh install and you didn't reply, I'll do it now
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• 2318[15:53:11] <Arkadietz> is there any tool i can test fastest dns server for me? i mean to determine my dns because i don't knew it. By default is set google public dns server.
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• 2324[15:55:35] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: Done, do I need to stop and restart gdm, or reboot?
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• 2326[15:56:22] <ProprietaryDevic> teraflops: Sorry for the delay, I'm getting towo's advice for now, probably shouldn't do two things at once.
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• 2329[15:56:36] <teraflops> ProprietaryDevic: np
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• 2331[15:57:43] <Kobaz> what's the best way to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy
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• 2338[15:58:39] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, you can restart gdm or reboot
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• 2348[16:00:30] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: rebooted, getting nothing but a blinking line on tty7
• 2349[16:00:55] <towo`> blinking line on tty indicates a not properly installed driver
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• 2351[16:01:19] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, have you checked, that the kernelmodule was build?
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• 2354[16:01:41] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log what's going wrong
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• 2362[16:03:22] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: "Failed to initialise the NVIDIA kernel module. Please see the system's kernel log...
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• 2365[16:03:41] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, i dold you earlyer, check dkms status
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• 2367[16:04:01] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, you propably have not installed the kernel-headers
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• 2371[16:04:41] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: It doesn't mention that on replaced-url
• 2372[16:05:14] <towo`> what?
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• 2374[16:05:17] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: I installed the "nvidia-driver" package from backports by the way
• 2375[16:05:27] <towo`> you allways need the headers for building kernel-module
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• 2377[16:05:43] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, so again, what does dkms status say?
• 2378[16:06:43] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: nvidia-current, 352.79: added
• 2379[16:07:01] <gridl0ck> ProprietaryDevic, did you check this first? lspci |grep VGA ; lspci |grep 3D
• 2380[16:07:02] <towo`> so you miss the kernel-header
• 2381[16:07:13] <towo`> install them, reboot and be happy
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• 2384[16:07:27] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: Package "kernel-header"?
• 2385[16:07:37] <towo`> boah
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• 2388[16:08:11] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, apt-get install linux-headers-amd64
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• 2390[16:08:28] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: That seems familiar, thanks
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• 2392[16:09:13] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: Already the newest version, set to manually installed.
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• 2398[16:09:54] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: "linux-headers-amd64 is already the newest version.", "linux-headers-amd64 set to manually installed."
• 2399[16:10:00] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, paste the complete output of dkms status
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• 2402[16:10:44] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: That was it
• 2403[16:11:00] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, uname -a sayes what?
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• 2405[16:12:49] <ProprietaryDevic> Linux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4 (2016-02-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 2408[16:13:13] <ProprietaryDevic> pastebinit is giving blank url suffixes for uname
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• 2414[16:15:37] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, dpkg -l | grep -i linux | egrep -i "image|headers" | pastebinit
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• 2417[16:16:39] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: replaced-url
• 2418[16:17:03] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, this will never work!
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• 2421[16:17:16] <towo`> you have the headers from backports but the kernel from stable
• 2422[16:17:33] <towo`> headers and image have to fit the same version
• 2423[16:17:45] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: That sounds like a problem
• 2424[16:18:20] <towo`> not realy, because the module should be builded for the 4.3 kernel
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• 2430[16:19:34] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, you can test that with dkms build -m nvidia-current -v 352.79 -k 4.3.5-1~bpo8+1
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• 2433[16:19:51] <hanshenrik> can you please stop redirecting me to the norwegian debian site every 24 hours or so? its so damn annoying :p
• 2434[16:20:03] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, but you need even the kernel from backports to run your system
• 2435[16:20:13] <transhuman_> ok, so I have written a script to semi automate install of packages...works great...now I would like to fully automate by parsing output of apt-get install doing a test run and branching choices accordingly ...I found the easy way to do that is with pdc status and grep. I don't find any such package dpkg-guery -s doesnt show any such package...anyone know if its been removed, is there a replacement?
• 2436[16:20:30] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: So should I just give up on using stable?..
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• 2439[16:21:07] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, what?
• 2440[16:21:12] <towo`> who has sayed that?
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• 2444[16:22:08] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: Sorry, I'm just lost.
• 2445[16:22:18] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, you have to decide yourself what kernel you want to run, if 3.16.x, you need the headers for that kernel, if 4.3.x, you need that kernel installed
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• 2447[16:22:42] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: Can I get the nvidia proprietary drivers on 3.16.x?
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• 2449[16:23:05] <towo`> why not? apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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• 2451[16:23:26] <towo`> or do apt -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64
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• 2453[16:23:31] <towo`> it's your choice
• 2454[16:23:41] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: So what did I do wrong?
• 2455[16:24:00] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, can you think a little?
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• 2458[16:24:02] <r6ku> the hell? doesn't the driver install all the headers and stuff by itself? what happened here?
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• 2460[16:24:37] <r6ku> I'm pretty sure stable has nvidia drivers for gtx 660
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• 2462[16:24:40] <towo`> no it does not
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• 2464[16:24:48] <r6ku> yes it does
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• 2466[16:25:08] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: I'm trying. As far as I can tell I was prompted to install backport nvidia driver, but not headers. I don't even know where the 4.3 headers came from
• 2467[16:25:10] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, and for you, install the kernel for your installed headers, or install the headers for your running kernek
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• 2469[16:26:07] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, and you should check, why the module was not builded against the 4.3 headers
• 2470[16:26:16] <towo`> without kernel-module, no x
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• 2474[16:27:05] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: Sorry? I don't understand the wording
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• 2476[16:27:16] <tulphoon> Can someone explain to me what are jessie-backports?
• 2477[16:27:18] <towo`> then no one can help you
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• 2479[16:27:32] <tulphoon> I mean a repo.
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• 2482[16:27:44] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, if you can't handle your system with backports, don't use the backports
• 2483[16:27:51] <ksx4system> tulphoon, newer packages recompiled for stable distro (like, stuff backported from sid to jessie)
• 2484[16:28:03] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, as r6ku is telling you, the driver in stable supports your card
• 2485[16:28:07] <tulphoon> ksx4system: is it safe to use those?
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• 2487[16:28:13] <tulphoon> are they stable?
• 2488[16:28:19] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: I want to understand how to do that
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• 2490[16:28:38] <ksx4system> tulphoon, imho it is :)
• 2491[16:28:54] <tulphoon> i just have to add repos to sources.list?
• 2492[16:29:00] <ProprietaryDevic> r6ku: Sorry, you didn't tag me at all and I haven't seen any of your messages
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• 2494[16:29:13] <ksx4system> tulphoon, exactly (as described on backports website)
• 2495[16:29:16] <ProprietaryDevic> r6ku: "<r6ku> I'm pretty sure stable has nvidia drivers for gtx 660" Are you referring to the free drivers?
• 2496[16:29:21] <tulphoon> okay :)
• 2497[16:29:23] <tulphoon> thanks for sure
• 2498[16:29:38] <tulphoon> ProprietaryDevic, you have gtx 660?
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• 2502[16:29:57] <r6ku> ProprietaryDevic: I'm referring to the proprietary nvidia drivers
• 2503[16:29:58] <ProprietaryDevic> tulphoon: Yes
• 2504[16:30:12] <tulphoon> I have the same.
• 2505[16:30:16] <ksx4system> tulphoon, stable + backports is *MUCH* safer solution than testing/sid
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• 2507[16:30:27] <tulphoon> ksx4system, on my normal build i have testing
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• 2509[16:30:42] <tulphoon> but on this oldie i will use stable so it won't break
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• 2512[16:31:27] <ksx4system> tulphoon, all right then :)
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• 2515[16:31:39] <ericandrewlewis> I tried to install Debian last night as a dual boot on my mac. I used the firmware netinst image. The installer could not find my ethernet card. Any thoughts?
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• 2521[16:32:48] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: Okay, I removed 4.3 headers and installed 3.16 ones and it appears to be working
• 2522[16:33:04] <Triski> ericandrewlewis, is it the internal or a external ethernet card?
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• 2526[16:34:00] <ericandrewlewis> Well, I should say, my macbook doesn't have an ethernet port. I assume it should have found wifi built-in on the computer as a network interface?
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• 2529[16:35:04] <Triski> ericandrewlewis, the built-in wifi does not works, needs broadcom drivers, apt-get install broadcom-sta-dkms
• 2530[16:35:37] <Triski> if you have a external ethernet, it needs to be plugged in when rebooting due to hotplug limitations with its driver
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• 2533[16:36:29] <ProprietaryDevic> r6ku: So if it's in stable, why does it say to use backports here? replaced-url
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• 2535[16:36:38] <ericandrewlewis> So I would need to get some external ethernet to install debian on a macbook?
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• 2538[16:37:25] <r6ku> ProprietaryDevic: replaced-url
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• 2540[16:37:52] <tulphoon> ericandrewlewis, if you have a second computer
• 2541[16:37:55] <Triski> ericandrewlewis, i am not a mac user so i cannot tell for sure. Maybe this guide for a Macbook Pro 13 from 2013 will help you replaced-url
• 2542[16:38:02] <tulphoon> and some USB Stick Port
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• 2544[16:38:06] <tulphoon> run the netinst
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• 2546[16:38:10] <tulphoon> without internet connection
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• 2548[16:38:27] <tulphoon> then just install the needed wi-fi firmware through .deb files and dpkg
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• 2550[16:38:41] <tulphoon> and you are good to go
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• 2552[16:38:52] <ProprietaryDevic> r6ku: Isn't that an older driver?
• 2553[16:39:02] <r6ku> ProprietaryDevic: it's the driver in stable
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• 2557[16:39:48] <ProprietaryDevic> r6ku: So I'd get better performance out of backports. What disadvantages does that come with?
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• 2565[16:40:39] <r6ku> ProprietaryDevic: install whichever driver you want, the one in stable works
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• 2568[16:41:07] <tulphoon> but follow the guide, seriously.
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• 2572[16:41:24] <ProprietaryDevic> r6ku: I've got this one working I think, how do I check it's not running nouveua
• 2573[16:41:30] <ProprietaryDevic> ? *
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• 2578[16:42:24] <tulphoon> ProprietaryDevic, try running nvidia-settings
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• 2581[16:42:43] <tulphoon> if the GUI window appears, and you can see things inside, you're running on nvidia card
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• 2588[16:45:00] <ProprietaryDevic> r6ku: Yeah I got it working.
• 2589[16:45:41] <ProprietaryDevic> tulphoon: Yup, 352.79 working
• 2590[16:45:46] <ProprietaryDevic> Now for Steam.
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• 2592[16:45:58] <ProprietaryDevic> It likes to try reconfigure nvidia driver
• 2593[16:46:19] <tulphoon> ProprietaryDevic, i must warn you, that every setting you will save in there won't work unfortunately with system boot
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• 2596[16:47:20] <ProprietaryDevic> tulphoon: Good to know. Luckily I have a fairly simple setup and all my Linux games are modern titles that don't require forcing AA and AF
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• 2598[16:47:50] <akk> I have a package held (aptitude hold) because I build the package from source (with a patch). Is there a way to find out whether the repo has a newer version, so I know I need to fetch and build new source?
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• 2600[16:47:56] <akk> I can't figure out how to google for that.
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• 2603[16:48:09] <tulphoon> ProprietaryDevic, although if you really need it you can just manually open it every boot time.
• 2604[16:48:20] <tulphoon> like set it once, then just open it when you need those applied, cuz it will apply those
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• 2606[16:48:21] <ProprietaryDevic> Yeah
• 2607[16:48:28] <ProprietaryDevic> Ah okay
• 2608[16:48:46] <tulphoon> The settings save, but don't initialize once system boots.
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• 2610[16:49:01] <tulphoon> There should be a pretty easy quickfix tho.
• 2611[16:49:19] <tulphoon> But you would need to play a little bit with google.
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• 2618[16:50:47] <ProprietaryDevic> tulphoon: towo`: TomTomTosch: r6ku: Well I know my next GPU won't be nvidia.
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• 2621[16:51:19] <tulphoon> ProprietaryDevic, afaik nvidia cards are better on Linux than AMD ones.
• 2622[16:51:19] <ProprietaryDevic> tulphoon: But I deleted google from iceweazel. How does I internet.
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• 2624[16:51:39] <ProprietaryDevic> tulphoon: Performance wise, but I'd rather use free drivers at the cost of performance
• 2625[16:51:51] <tulphoon> DuckDuckGo
• 2626[16:51:55] <tulphoon> for alternative
• 2627[16:51:57] <tulphoon> of Google
• 2628[16:51:59] <ProprietaryDevic> tulphoon: Yeah ddg master rance
• 2629[16:52:02] <ProprietaryDevic> *race
• 2630[16:52:09] <ProprietaryDevic> No idea where rance came from
• 2631[16:52:15] <tulphoon> rance?
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• 2633[16:52:49] <ProprietaryDevic> Muscle memory decided after 'ra' to do 'nce'
• 2634[16:52:59] <ProprietaryDevic> Horray, system survived a reboot without breaking
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• 2637[16:53:11] <ProprietaryDevic> Not sure where from, but I know it was intentional.
• 2638[16:53:12] <tulphoon> oh, okay. realised just now
• 2639[16:53:18] <tulphoon> Good for you.
• 2640[16:53:26] <ProprietaryDevic> (y)
• 2641[16:53:39] <ProprietaryDevic> (Y)
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• 2673[17:03:46] <ichthys> Do you guys recommend running selinux on Debian?
• 2674[17:04:03] <ichthys> i always gett bashed at work for running Debian (Instead of RHEL/CentOS)
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• 2684[17:05:30] <cink0> hi, i'm using debian gnu/linux testing amd64 and i'm trying KDE Plasma Desktop 5.4 (latest version) with wayland. I use SDDM 0.13 as display manager. Do you think it works?
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• 2689[17:06:15] <markybob> cink0: try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic for testing support
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• 2691[17:06:30] <cink0> ok markybob thanks
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• 2694[17:07:21] <donald> hello
• 2695[17:08:27] <donald> I want to download the pakage virtualbox-ose. I have done apt-get install virtualbox-ose
• 2696[17:08:27] <donald> Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
• 2697[17:08:27] <donald> Construction de l'arbre des dépendances
• 2698[17:08:27] <donald> Lecture des informations d'état... Fait
• 2699[17:08:27] <donald> Package virtualbox-ose is not available, but is referred to by another package.
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• 2707[17:09:31] <gionnico> dondelelcaro, since version 4.0 the name suffix OSE became obsolete. All non-GPL parts are now packed in an additonal extension pack available from Oracle.
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• 2713[17:11:56] <ProprietaryDevic> Attempting to install Steam following replaced-url
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• 2717[17:12:45] <ProprietaryDevic> I believe it's attempting to remove amd64 versions and replace with i386 since that's what Steam requires, but I
• 2718[17:13:00] <ProprietaryDevic> *I'm a little worried this will break my system again
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• 2723[17:13:56] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, why you again install that from backports?
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• 2725[17:14:26] <markybob> ProprietaryDevic: that's the problem. steam doesn't work with backports nvidia
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• 2727[17:14:43] <ProprietaryDevic> markybob: Oh. Crap. Lovely
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• 2729[17:15:39] <ProprietaryDevic> So, uh, safely admitting defeat and installing non-free nvidia driver from stable?
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• 2732[17:16:05] <markybob> it was working before
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• 2746[17:19:33] <ProprietaryDevic> markybob: What do you mean?
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• 2750[17:20:00] <stratum> I really don't like the new NetworkManager in -testing
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• 2753[17:20:30] <markybob> ProprietaryDevic: pretty sure i saw towo` and someone else getting you working with stable not backports
• 2754[17:20:55] <ProprietaryDevic> markybob: I wanted backports, I figured it out
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• 2756[17:21:10] <ProprietaryDevic> markybob: And now I want steam and apparentally I make bad decisions
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• 2768[17:23:25] <stratum> it makes spoofing your MAC a PITA
• 2769[17:23:29] <tulphoon> :(
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• 2772[17:23:39] <stratum> anyone come across a way to make it revert to the old behavior?
• 2773[17:23:43] <ichthys> why would you spoof a MAC
• 2774[17:23:50] <tulphoon> I've installed pulse and alsa. And it doesn't work.
• 2775[17:23:57] <stratum> eh, why would I want to spoof my MAC?
• 2776[17:24:07] <ichthys> aye
• 2777[17:24:12] <tulphoon> ichthys, so the receiver of the packets thinks it's from the trusted source
• 2778[17:24:18] <tulphoon> and accepts those
• 2779[17:24:40] <stratum> maybe because I'm not comfortable broadcasting one of my laptops UUIDs several hundrer feet in every direction
• 2780[17:24:49] <stratum> no
• 2781[17:24:58] <ProprietaryDevic> How to remove backport nvidia non-free drivers and install stable drivers?
• 2782[17:25:12] <tulphoon> ProprietaryDevic, what's the problem with backports tho?
• 2783[17:25:16] <stratum> not to spoof other equipments MAC, just to use random ones
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• 2785[17:25:43] <ProprietaryDevic> tulphoon: Accoridng to markybob they aren't compatible with steam
• 2786[17:25:58] <tulphoon> stratum: oh, okay.
• 2787[17:26:03] <stratum> businesses track you using your WNIC MAC, people can see if you are home, etc, etc
• 2788[17:26:05] <markybob> tulphoon: ProprietaryDevic: depends conflict. replaced-url
• 2789[17:26:07] <grawity> good thing NM has had MAC-spoofing features for years then
• 2790[17:26:12] <grawity> recently added more
• 2791[17:26:16] <ProprietaryDevic> tulphoon: After this which I said: "Attempting to install Steam following replaced-url
• 2792[17:26:26] <ProprietaryDevic> Oh, you posted it
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• 2795[17:27:03] <grawity> stratum: try setting 802-11-wireless.cloned-mac-address or 802-11-wireless.mac-address-randomization for that matter
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• 2799[17:27:18] <teraflops> stratum: spoof a mac is so easy. It works with networkmanager if youre getting errors share them instead whining. You can also write a trivial systemd unit for spoofing the mac address with macchanger
• 2800[17:27:24] <stratum> grawity: making a connection file, specifying a spoofed MAC and then connecting is a whole lot more of a PITA than using macchiato/macchanger
• 2801[17:27:34] <grawity> stratum: making a what
• 2802[17:27:51] <stratum> eh, new NM overrides what macchanger has done before connecting
• 2803[17:27:56] <tulphoon> ProprietaryDevic, well you have to install the stable version then i suppose.
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• 2810[17:28:23] <ProprietaryDevic> tulphoon: Yeah, so just apt-get remove nvidia-driver, apt-get install nvidia-driver-dkms?
• 2811[17:28:28] <armin> hi, i have a headless raspberry pi 2 running debian jessie which i use as an MPD host. i recently moved from alsa to pulseaudio because that fixes a problem i had with click sounds on track changes. however, i've been using the equalizer of alsa prior and was able to use it nicely within alsamixer. is there something for pulseaudio i can use within a terminal, like-wise?
• 2812[17:28:41] <ichthys> Anyone here run SElinux on Debian?
• 2813[17:28:45] <stratum> grawity, there is no way of spoofing your MAC before the first connection to any given network
• 2814[17:28:48] <tulphoon> Should work, if not, hit me up.
• 2815[17:28:49] <stratum> with the new NM
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• 2817[17:29:04] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, no!
• 2818[17:29:07] <ProprietaryDevic> tulphoon: nvidia-kernel-dkms
• 2819[17:29:17] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, dpkg -l | grep nvidia
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• 2821[17:29:37] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: Uh oh
• 2822[17:29:46] <stratum> you will either have to connect, disconnect, change the system-connections file to use a spoofed mac and reconnect or manually craft a system-connections beforehand
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• 2825[17:30:30] <stratum> grawity, tell me, how does the new NM not override MACs set by macchanger?
• 2826[17:30:34] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: replaced-url
• 2827[17:31:25] <tulphoon> ProprietaryDevic, wait what's your arch?
• 2828[17:31:28] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: remove all that and install stable?
• 2829[17:31:33] <tulphoon> amd64 or i386?
• 2830[17:31:34] <towo`> why?
• 2831[17:31:55] <stratum> grawity, <grawity> stratum: try setting 802-11-wireless.cloned-mac-address or 802-11-wireless.mac-address-randomization for that matter
• 2832[17:31:56] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, apt -t jessie-backports install lingl1-nvidia-glx:i386
• 2833[17:32:05] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: multi-arch
• 2834[17:32:10] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, and?
• 2835[17:32:20] <stratum> grawity, can that be set globally? or will I have to do that for every network/connection?
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• 2838[17:32:27] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, do apt -t jessie-backports install lingl1-nvidia-glx:i386
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• 2840[17:32:33] <towo`> where is the problem?
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• 2842[17:32:50] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: I didn't say there was one
• 2843[17:33:23] <towo`> and the command is apt -t jessie-backports install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386
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• 2845[17:33:30] <cmdr> Hi, anyone know what's up with the ftp.nrc.ca apt mirror?
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• 2847[17:34:39] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: Yeah I got that, it's already installed apparentally
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• 2849[17:34:55] <stratum> grawity, those settings are per-connection, it would seem
• 2850[17:35:42] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, you paste was saying, it was not installed
• 2851[17:36:06] <stratum> grawity, so now we will have to do ten commands in nmcli/manually craft a connection file before connecting to a new network, plus no way to do this in GUI
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• 2853[17:36:26] <stratum> hurrah for regression in functionality
• 2854[17:36:54] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: I think I had non-backports installed, so I've just removed that and installed backports
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• 2856[17:37:31] <jmcnaught> stratum: if you don't like stuff changing, use stable.
• 2857[17:37:50] <stratum> jmcnaught, yes, but for how long will that last? :P
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• 2859[17:37:58] <towo`> ProprietaryDevic, i don't get, what is your exact problem at the moment
• 2860[17:38:02] <stratum> until debian 9. new networkmanager
• 2861[17:38:42] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: It was that steam couldn't install because I had installed libg1 from jessie rather than jessie-backports. I think I fixed that, now I am trying to install steam again
• 2862[17:39:02] <jmcnaught> stratum: presuming that the debian developers don't fix whatever issue you're having or provide a workaround
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• 2867[17:39:47] <ProprietaryDevic> towo`: It's running and updating, so far so good, although I've got this far before
• 2868[17:39:48] <stratum> well, a workaround is what I am looking for. one that does not include crafting connections/connection files for first connect
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• 2874[17:40:21] <ProprietaryDevic> What happens to the chat logs after they disappear up top?
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• 2877[17:42:39] <bezaban> ProprietaryDevic: depends on your irc client config, some will log to file, but usually it will just be lost unless you've specified otherwise
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• 2880[17:43:14] <ProprietaryDevic> bezaban: So webchat.freenode.net with everything default?
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• 2882[17:43:36] <Triski> depends on the software you use to chat,
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• 2884[17:44:07] <teraflops> stratum: I don use testing, but i do use archlinux and creating e.g /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/pre-up.d/macpoof.sh as said here replaced-url
• 2885[17:44:09] <Triski> some let you define buffer lenght and what to do with the buffer (either discard it or log to a file)
• 2886[17:44:11] <bezaban> ProprietaryDevic: gone
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• 2889[17:44:31] <ProprietaryDevic> bezaban: RIP. I should be able to remember enough to write down how I got everything working
• 2890[17:44:32] <teraflops> don't*
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• 2892[17:45:16] <stratum> teraflops, i will look into that
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• 2896[17:46:55] <ProprietaryDevic> teraflops: TomTomTosch: towo`: tulphoon: Alright things seem to be working, thanks heaps for your help, I've learned a lot about backports and following basic advice
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• 2900[17:47:32] <teraflops> ProprietaryDevic: glad it ended working. cheers
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• 2902[17:48:24] <grawity> stratum: oh, so macchanger was a gui app then? I had no idea.
• 2903[17:48:25] <ProprietaryDevic> Oh the things you achieve at 3 am
• 2904[17:48:35] <ProprietaryDevic> Have a great Easter everyone
• 2905[17:48:39] <ProprietaryDevic> Night.
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• 2907[17:49:30] <stratum> grawity, come in with the sarcasm. you know what i mean
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• 2913[17:50:05] <stratum> grawity, there is no way to change/randomize/etc your MAC before the first connection with new NM GUI
• 2914[17:50:10] <stratum> is what i meant
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• 2918[17:50:29] <teraflops> actually there is a macchanger-gtk ...
• 2919[17:50:40] <stratum> after having connected once, there is a connection/connection file which can be edited to spoof ones mac
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• 2921[17:50:54] <stratum> but that is a PITA compared to just using macchanger
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• 2924[17:51:40] <stratum> so what I am looking for is a way to make NM revert the old behavior of not frakking with us
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• 2927[17:51:53] <teraflops> stratum: tried what I suggested?
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• 2931[17:52:24] <stratum> teraflops, im ginning up a vm to test
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• 2933[17:52:37] <miesco> Is it bad to use cpan to install perl modules?
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• 2936[17:53:25] <grawity> stratum: put the setting in NetworkManager.conf under [connection]
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• 2941[17:55:05] <stratum> grawity, from what I can see that setting belongs in connection files, not in networkmanager.conf
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• 2943[17:55:38] <stratum> grawity, source?
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• 2951[17:59:01] <grawity> stratum: replaced-url
• 2952[17:59:13] <grawity> the manual page.
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• 2956[17:59:50] <teraflops> grawity: hmm what font family is that?
• 2957[17:59:54] <no_gravity> Strange, it looks like the alt key on my debian machine is not working any more. At least ALT+F1 does not bring up the main menu. How can I check whats up?
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• 2959[18:00:04] <grawity> it's Monaco ._.
• 2960[18:00:11] <teraflops> hmm
• 2961[18:00:20] <grawity> no_gravity: in which desktop environment?
• 2962[18:00:24] <grawity> and does Alt+F2 work
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• 2964[18:00:27] <no_gravity> grawity: mate
• 2965[18:00:37] <stratum> grawity, oooh
• 2966[18:00:41] <no_gravity> grawity: ALT+F2 does nothing
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• 2969[18:01:06] <stratum> grawity, can dhcp-send-hostname=false be set globally too in the same way?
• 2970[18:01:06] <ironpillow> hi all urgent help. can't access files after upgrade using webdav: Handshake alert: unrecognized_name. This is on a mac. I know this debian, you guys are my only hope
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• 2972[18:01:13] <moldy> hi
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• 2975[18:01:47] <moldy> i am trying to get wifi to work on a thinkpad t410. after (re)booting, rfkill reports it as hard-blocked. any idea what to do?
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• 2978[18:02:27] <ironpillow> anyone?
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• 2980[18:03:05] <jmcnaught> moldy: did wifi work before? what kind of card is it?
• 2981[18:03:26] <grawity> ironpillow: what server software are you connecting to?
• 2982[18:03:31] <moldy> jmcnaught: i got the thinkpad just today, so there is no before :)
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• 2984[18:03:36] <grawity> the server is saying it doesn't recognize the hostname you're trying to use
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• 2986[18:03:41] <ironpillow> grawity: I using synology
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• 2990[18:04:21] <jmcnaught> moldy: "lspci -nn | grep -i net" and then if you don't recognize it, tell us the PCI ID part that looks like [1234:abcd]
• 2991[18:04:28] <grawity> ironpillow: what name is on its HTTPS certificate?
• 2992[18:04:29] <stratum> grawity, Added an option to enable use of random MAC addresses for Wi-Fi access
• 2993[18:04:30] <stratum> point scanning (defaults to disabled). Controlled with
• 2994[18:04:30] <stratum> 'wifi.mac-address-randomization' property (MAC_ADDRESS_RANDOMIZATION key in
• 2995[18:04:30] <stratum> ifcfg files).
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• 2998[18:04:40] <stratum> oops, sorry
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• 3001[18:05:02] <ironpillow> grawity: name of the server
• 3002[18:05:07] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: is Debian involved anywhere in this equation?
• 3003[18:05:10] <stratum> grawity, that implies this is for randomizing MAC for probes, not for connecting
• 3004[18:05:27] <moldy> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 3007[18:05:37] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: sorry no. i know against policy. but I couldn't get help anywhere.
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• 3009[18:06:12] <jmcnaught> ironpillow: then be patient in an appropriate channel. Please don't clutter up our Debian channel with off-topic support requests.
• 3010[18:06:27] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: ok. got it.
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• 3012[18:06:36] <ironpillow> grawity: thanks.
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• 3014[18:07:23] <miesco> dh-make-perl started, I chose the wrong option though so hit ctrl-c. Now when I run the same command (dh-make-perl --build --cpan replaced-url
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• 3016[18:07:37] <jmcnaught> moldy: i asked for the output of lspci -nn
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• 3018[18:07:59] <moldy> jmcnaught: ah, i missed that, sorry
• 3019[18:08:06] <jmcnaught> moldy: anyways.. it's probably iwlwifi. do you have the firmware-iwlwifi package installed?
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• 3021[18:08:11] <moldy> jmcnaught: yep
• 3022[18:08:19] <teraflops> ironpillow: are you using a selfsigned certificate?
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• 3024[18:08:39] <moldy> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 3025[18:09:00] <jmcnaught> teraflops: if we support non Debian users here they just keep coming, also it's off topic
• 3026[18:09:30] <teraflops> jmcnaught: ^
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• 3028[18:09:42] <ironpillow> jmcnaught: I am really sorry about this. won't happen again.
• 3029[18:09:54] <moldy> jmcnaught: heh, i just found the hardware switch on the side that enables the wifi :p
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• 3031[18:10:02] <teraflops> moldy: lel
• 3032[18:10:05] <NyanCat> that'd do it
• 3033[18:10:22] <moldy> replaced-url
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• 3046[18:15:32] <Walakea> are there any free software replacements for the non free wifi drivers?
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• 3048[18:16:06] <towo`> if there is no working open firmware for your device, then no
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• 3053[18:17:42] <grawity> for which drivers exactly
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• 3059[18:19:32] <jmcnaught> Walakea: i think some of the Atheros cards (but not all) have completely free drivers that don't require non-free firmwares
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• 3065[18:20:29] <Walakea> asus webpage states that for windows there are 4 different driver
• 3066[18:20:29] <tulphoon> Hey guys. I have a little problem in here. I've installed Alsa and Pulseaudio on my system but it doesn't seem to work properly...
• 3067[18:20:31] <Walakea> *s
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• 3076[18:22:43] <Walakea> realtek, qualcomm, broadcom and ralink
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• 3078[18:23:07] <tulphoon> Well. If you need firmware you can use either realtek or ralink.
• 3079[18:23:09] <tulphoon> But they're not free.
• 3080[18:23:15] <tulphoon> But they still do work :)
• 3081[18:23:20] <Walakea> although when i was installing debian it told me that it requires one part of the firmware-ralink
• 3082[18:23:34] <tulphoon> Then install firmware-ralink
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• 3085[18:24:07] <Walakea> i installed it but on startup it says that it couldnt load the driver or something
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• 3089[18:24:28] <tulphoon> On install or in system itself?
• 3090[18:25:13] <Walakea> on system startup
• 3091[18:25:22] <tulphoon> Are you on the same machine right now?
• 3092[18:25:26] <tulphoon> And on the same startup?
• 3093[18:25:40] <tulphoon> Or do you have access to the machine right now?
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• 3095[18:26:16] <Walakea> let me tell you, i got my wifi to work when i downloaded something from internet (driver for my card)
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• 3100[18:26:31] <Walakea> i will be reinstalling debian in future and id rather do it via packages
• 3101[18:26:50] <Walakea> i am on the machine right now
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• 3103[18:27:03] <tulphoon> But you don't get the problems now, like the warnings?
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• 3105[18:27:17] <Walakea> on startup?
• 3106[18:27:21] <tulphoon> Ye.
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• 3109[18:27:32] <Walakea> no
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• 3111[18:27:50] <Walakea> i statred getting them when i installed the package
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• 3114[18:28:02] <Walakea> so yes
• 3115[18:28:13] <tulphoon> So you do still get them?
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• 3117[18:28:19] <tulphoon> Because i'm slightly confused now.
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• 3119[18:29:10] <Walakea> when i installed the drivers from that tarball i foung on internet then not; i started getting them after i installed package firmware-ralink
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• 3121[18:29:24] <Walakea> sorry, cant see keyboard
• 3122[18:29:27] <tulphoon> Okay, sure.
• 3123[18:29:48] <Walakea> because i wanted to try the backported kernel
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• 3125[18:30:03] <tulphoon> Walakea, well. I cannot do much if i don't see the error messages on my own eyes.
• 3126[18:30:07] <Walakea> i downloaded that and there the tarball drivers dont work
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• 3133[18:32:15] <Walakea> i have the syslog
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• 3137[18:32:28] <tulphoon> Paste it on paste.debian.net and let me see it.
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• 3142[18:33:54] <Walakea> replaced-url
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• 3147[18:34:39] <Walakea> someone told me about reloading a module
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• 3150[18:35:57] <tulphoon> What version are you using, stable?
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• 3152[18:36:36] <Walakea> frankendebian
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• 3154[18:36:44] <tulphoon> What do you mean?
• 3155[18:36:56] <Walakea> howerver in future i will be using stable
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• 3157[18:37:27] <Walakea> i was using stable but then partially downloaded testing packages
• 3158[18:37:33] <tulphoon> okay, so i know what's the problem
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• 3160[18:37:40] <tulphoon> you need to install firmware-realtek
• 3161[18:37:42] <tulphoon> for it to work
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• 3164[18:37:52] <tulphoon> r8169 is a realtek driver
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• 3167[18:39:08] <Walakea> and i after i download it i guess i will have to do something more, or not?
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• 3170[18:39:40] <tulphoon> probably not
• 3171[18:39:48] <Arkadietz> Hello,
• 3172[18:39:54] <tulphoon> hi
• 3173[18:39:58] <towo`> reload the module
• 3174[18:40:02] <Walakea> i will see when i will be reinstalling it then
• 3175[18:40:02] <towo`> or reboot
• 3176[18:40:11] <Arkadietz> any ideas how to determine which is the best dns server for my server?
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• 3178[18:40:21] <Walakea> and thanks
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• 3180[18:40:25] <Arkadietz> i mean is there any tool except namebench or whatever?
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• 3184[18:41:11] <Walakea> so if i have to do this it probably means that i wont be able to use wifi with linux-libre
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• 3186[18:41:49] <towo`> yes
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• 3192[18:43:43] <Walakea> cool
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• 3195[18:44:21] <sda13> Hi guys; Are there any major issues in debian testing right now?
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• 3200[18:45:24] <towo`> there are always issues in testing
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• 3202[18:45:33] <towo`> otherwise it would be stable
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• 3207[18:46:40] <Walakea> which disk flags are safe to set when i am using laptop HDD?
• 3208[18:46:44] <Walakea> like noatime
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• 3211[18:47:09] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
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• 3214[18:47:34] <Walakea> also my system consumes about 30 % more power
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• 3216[18:47:49] <Walakea> i dont have pure testing
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• 3218[18:48:54] <sda13> Thanks for that link Tom
• 3219[18:49:29] <TomTomTosch> but that does not include usability problems, only if packages are installable.
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• 3268[19:07:32] <Walakea> does full RAM consume the same power as empty?
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• 3279[19:13:08] <SPF> Walakea: you might want to ask this in #hardware
• 3280[19:13:10] <gionnico> Walakea, yes, it does. It will consume a little bit more power when writing, through.
• 3281[19:14:02] <sypher> This isn't really on-topic.
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• 3287[19:17:40] <Walakea> sorry
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• 3328[19:31:50] <zxd> what could cause wireless mouse to turn off automatically after a few seconds
• 3329[19:32:04] <zxd> If i turn it off and back on it works for a few more seconds then off it goes again
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• 3332[19:33:06] <Triski> zxd, seems energy saving related
• 3333[19:33:37] <Triski> zxd, if you click any button does it powers on again?
• 3334[19:33:48] <zxd> Triski, no
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• 3336[19:33:57] <zxd> Are there any log messages I can search for
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• 3340[19:34:39] <Triski> try on dmesg
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• 3345[19:35:14] <zxd> was not an MTP device
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• 3450[20:16:50] <jmcnaught> Net-Centric: if you talk about your problem, someone will probably try and help. You don't need an invitation to ask questions :) Also there's #linux-raid i think
• 3451[20:17:01] <Net-Centric> Lost power during an mdadm initialize of 40Tb's raid level 5. Tried re-running mdadm --create but getting resource busy messages about sdb1. Ran mdadm --detail but message back is that /dev/md0 does not exist. Is this OS re-install time ?
• 3452[20:17:27] <Net-Centric> jmcnaught: TY
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• 3461[20:19:46] <Net-Centric> jmcnaught: just joined #linux-raid - it's ghostly quiet in there :-)
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• 3465[20:20:53] <jmcnaught> Net-Centric: it's quiet here too. it's a long weekend. i doubt you need to reinstall
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• 3467[20:21:50] <bluefive> Any idea why when I mute BEEP in Alsamixer I lose some of the annoying background hiss?
• 3468[20:21:57] <bluefive> It's still there but unmuting BEEP makes it more obnoxious.\
• 3469[20:22:00] <bluefive> How could that be?
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• 3472[20:23:17] <Net-Centric> jmcnaught: Cannot get the OS to release sdb1 - tried deleting and creating a new one with fdisk. Then ran partprobe (as SU). No luck.
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• 3477[20:25:54] <bamb> how can i install "gcc version 4.7.2 (Debian 4.7.2-5)" on debian?
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• 3479[20:26:58] <TomTomTosch> bamb, what debian version are you using?
• 3480[20:27:22] <bamb> 8.3
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• 3482[20:28:02] <TomTomTosch> bamb, 8.3 has gcc 4.9. sure you don't want to use that? :3
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• 3485[20:28:18] <bamb> yea its a specific build environemnt im trying to replicate
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• 3487[20:28:46] <bamb> im getting erros, althought it build on another machine. im thinking its the compiler version possibly
• 3488[20:28:54] <TomTomTosch> you could debootstrap wheezy and schroot.
• 3489[20:29:10] <bamb> can i just install the package?
• 3490[20:29:19] <bamb> i dunno how to install a specific version
• 3491[20:29:20] <TomTomTosch> not without breaking things.
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• 3495[20:29:54] <Walakea> jmcnaught: from what i am reading the LVM looks cool
• 3496[20:30:00] <bamb> in general, how would i install a specific version of a package?
• 3497[20:30:44] <TomTomTosch> bamb, in general you would install what's in the stable repos or use jessie-backports.
• 3498[20:31:17] <jmcnaught> Walakea: i hate to say i told you so, but i told you so :P there's a lot of nifty stuff you can do with it. I use lvmcache to add SSD caching to a volume on a slow HDD.
• 3499[20:31:35] <fanderal> bamb: wheezy has 4.7.2-1... if not using wheezy, install it in a VM and build there
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• 3501[20:32:03] <bamb> 8.3 is not wheezy?
• 3502[20:32:09] <bamb> which version is 8.3?
• 3503[20:32:14] <TomTomTosch> jessie
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• 3505[20:32:35] <bamb> how could i get jessie-backports?
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• 3507[20:32:43] <Walakea> still i dont think i would be able to manage it
• 3508[20:33:05] <Walakea> (page 15)
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• 3510[20:33:08] <TomTomTosch> bamb, jessie-backports will not help you with gcc 4.7
• 3511[20:33:12] <bamb> ehh
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• 3517[20:37:34] <bluefive> Could it be that my HARDWARE ITSELF would make white noise when I have headphones plugged in?
• 3518[20:37:36] <jhutchins> bamb: Backports are the other direction.
• 3519[20:37:38] <bluefive> Or is that a software issue?
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• 3523[20:37:47] <jhutchins> bamb: Wheezy in a VM or chroot.
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• 3527[20:38:25] <jhutchins> bamb: Or on a partition and dual boot it.
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• 3532[20:39:49] <jhutchins> bluefive: Yes, it could be hardware.
• 3533[20:40:04] <bluefive> jhutchins, How to tell?
• 3534[20:40:16] <jhutchins> bluefive: Built in sound?
• 3535[20:40:27] <jhutchins> bluefive: Or is it a card?
• 3536[20:40:32] <karlpinc> bamb: Or a VM, but that's harder-ish to setup.
• 3537[20:41:13] <bluefive> Inside I see a little silver thing that looks like a USB jack.
• 3538[20:41:18] <bluefive> That's where the headphones plug in.
• 3539[20:41:24] <bluefive> It's a mini PC so everything is integrated.
• 3540[20:41:35] <bluefive> But the headphones go right into the sound component. There's no routing.
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• 3542[20:41:49] <bluefive> It's a Realtek ALC 283.
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• 3545[20:43:17] <bluefive> I want the clearest audio possible.
• 3546[20:43:20] <bluefive> No white noise if possible.
• 3547[20:43:25] <bluefive> Let me tell you something interesting.
• 3548[20:43:40] <bluefive> I went into Alsamixer and I UNMUTED the BEEP level associated with my card.
• 3549[20:43:47] <jhutchins> bluefive: You can try a live iso with a different kernel, see if a different driver helps, but it's likely to be picking up internal noise. The "Beep" channel is routed from the internal speaker circuit.
• 3550[20:43:50] <bluefive> That made the white noise more obnoxious even if the BEEP was set to 0.
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• 3552[20:43:56] <bluefive> Muting it turned off some extra noise.
• 3553[20:44:05] <jhutchins> bluefive: Tightly integrated systems like that are less careful about shielding.
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• 3555[20:44:28] <TomTomTosch> ye, sounds like a hardware issue. badly isolated sound channel.
• 3556[20:44:39] <bluefive> TomTomTosch, What makes it sound like that?
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• 3558[20:44:48] <TomTomTosch> is it a new device?
• 3559[20:44:51] <bluefive> Yes.
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• 3561[20:45:28] <bluefive> I'm plugging the headphones into the sound component directly. And inside it's not as crowded as you might think. The sound component, the little silver cube, isn't next to any interfering hardware like the WI-FI card.
• 3562[20:45:33] <bluefive> That's on the other side of the unit.
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• 3565[20:46:07] <bluefive> There is a fan inside. Potentially the sound component could be picking up fan noise?
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• 3570[20:46:48] <bluefive> TomTomTosch, I asked what made you think it's hardware.
• 3571[20:46:50] <bluefive> And then said:
• 3572[20:46:57] <bluefive> I'm plugging the headphones into the sound component directly. And inside it's not as crowded as you might think. The sound component, the little silver cube, isn't next to any interfering hardware like the WI-FI card.
• 3573[20:47:02] <bluefive> That's on the other side of the unit.
• 3574[20:47:06] <bluefive> There is a fan inside. Potentially the sound component could be picking up fan noise?
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• 3578[20:48:23] <jhutchins> bluefive: Fan probably wouldn't be white noise.
• 3579[20:48:31] <TomTomTosch> want me to guess? no idea :D
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• 3581[20:48:48] <TomTomTosch> is it a new device?
• 3582[20:48:54] <bluefive> Yees
• 3583[20:49:15] <bluefive> It goes away when I MUTE the output volume.
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• 3585[20:49:31] <bluefive> And it doesn't go louder when I turn the volume louder. It's one level whenever the output volume isn't muted.
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• 3588[20:49:39] <zinx> bluefive: try muting line-in / cd/aux / mic
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• 3590[20:50:00] <bluefive> Input is muted when I go into sound preferences.
• 3591[20:50:08] <bluefive> I don't see a mic to mute when I go into Alsamixer.
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• 3593[20:50:36] <bluefive> Built in Audio
• 3594[20:50:43] <TomTomTosch> maybe some broken opamp or some manufacturing error on the pcb. test it with a live iso like suggested above.
• 3595[20:50:44] <bluefive> ASnalog stereo output
• 3596[20:50:48] <bluefive> 1 input, 1 output
• 3597[20:50:51] <bluefive> that's how I have it set.
• 3598[20:51:13] <bluefive> TomTomTosch, This is the second unit I've tried so it's not likely defective.
• 3599[20:51:36] <jhutchins> bluefive: Pretty likely it's just a bad design.
• 3600[20:52:07] <bluefive> jhutchins, 51 reviews on Amazon and not one mentions any white noise in the headphone jack.
• 3601[20:52:32] <jhutchins> bluefive: How many of the reviews were using the unit for audio?
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• 3603[20:52:48] <bluefive> It's a little PC. Who doesn't listen to audio on their PC?
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• 3605[20:53:48] <bluefive> I do believe the design is quite good. If you went inside you'd see. It's quite impressive.
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• 3607[20:54:03] <bluefive> The casing is basically a metal cage.
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• 3609[20:54:28] <bluefive> This is the MSI Cubi by the way. Some of these units sell for over $1500.
• 3610[20:54:43] <bluefive> I do believe the quality is outstanding.
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• 3613[20:55:12] <bluefive> MSI really wanted to get it right to compete against and surpass Intel.
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• 3615[20:55:57] <jhutchins> bluefive: I would selectively mute various input/output channels. You may have an open capture channel that isn't connected but is active in the mixer.
• 3616[20:55:58] <bluefive> Superb engineering. Like I say the sound component is in a space of the little cube almost all to itself.
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• 3618[20:56:22] <bluefive> jhutchins, How shall I do that?
• 3619[20:56:31] <TomTomTosch> i'm not buying one if that's what you want :P
• 3620[20:56:38] <npo> is there a way to reverse the behavior of function keys on a laptop, so that pressing the F* key will press F*, but holding FN and pressing F* will perform the special function of that key ? (like airplane mode or volume up, etc)
• 3621[20:56:58] <bluefive> Which program do you suggest I use?
• 3622[20:56:59] <npo> if i want to press F7, i have to hold fn to do it, but i'd rather not
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• 3625[20:59:24] <bluefive> What is PCM?
• 3626[20:59:25] <markybob> npo: usually there's a setting in bios for multimedia keys
• 3627[20:59:43] <npo> markybob: ah ok great, thank you
• 3628[21:00:21] <jhutchins> bluefive: In the mixer. Check ALL of the options, one by one.
• 3629[21:00:31] <bluefive> jhutchins, In Alsamixer?
• 3630[21:00:37] <jhutchins> bluefive: And again, a live ISO with a different kernel for a different driver.
• 3631[21:00:38] <bluefive> There really aren't many options.
• 3632[21:00:43] <jhutchins> bluefive: Whatever mixer you use.
• 3633[21:00:44] <bluefive> Oh.
• 3634[21:00:50] <bluefive> That's a good idea.
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• 3636[21:01:13] <bluefive> In GNOME ALSA Mixer I see only 3 options
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• 3638[21:01:17] <bluefive> Master, PCM, and Beep
• 3639[21:01:22] <jhutchins> bluefive: I've had some surprising results from just some random option being on or off.
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• 3641[21:01:26] <jhutchins> bluefive: Try alsamixer.
• 3642[21:01:36] <jhutchins> bluefive: Gnome specializes in limiting your options.
• 3643[21:02:03] <bluefive> In alsamixer I have SPIF 1 and 2 and SPIF all muted
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• 3646[21:02:18] <jhutchins> bluefive: Check your capture options.
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• 3648[21:02:26] <bluefive> When I type F4 for capture
• 3649[21:02:29] <bluefive> nothing happens. Why is that?
• 3650[21:02:39] <jhutchins> bluefive: Darned if I know.
• 3651[21:03:19] <bluefive> PCM should be left at 100?
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• 3653[21:03:31] <movic> Hi guys, anyone here can help me with forwarding internet connection from one device to another?
• 3654[21:03:32] <bluefive> I can only view Playback or ALL
• 3655[21:03:39] <bluefive> probably because the hardware doesn't support capture.
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• 3658[21:04:14] <markybob> movic: replaced-url
• 3659[21:04:27] <movic> i have only terminal :PPP sorry
• 3660[21:04:48] <karlpinc> !tell movic about ip forwarding
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• 3662[21:05:04] <karlpinc> movic: Do you want to forward or also NAT?
• 3663[21:05:08] <bluefive> Going to try a live ISO.
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• 3665[21:05:37] <jhutchins> movic: What kind of connectivity?
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• 3667[21:06:03] <jhutchins> movic: More details needed to answer.
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• 3669[21:06:34] <movic> karlpinc: thanks man, i have raspberrypi with rapsbian and everything is setup, i have usb modem and wifi that creates wifi network
• 3670[21:06:43] <movic> im connected to wifi but there is no internet connection
• 3671[21:07:00] <movic> when i ssh into rpi, rpi has internet connection
• 3672[21:07:13] <movic> but its not forwarding internet to wifi
• 3673[21:07:13] <movic> :/
• 3674[21:07:17] <movic> id dont know why
• 3675[21:07:33] <movic> i setup ipv4 forwarding nat iptables
• 3676[21:07:41] <movic> and i dont know here i made a mistake
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• 3678[21:07:56] <jhutchins> movic: So you want the pi to act as a wireless router?
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• 3680[21:08:03] <movic> now im connected to rpi via ssh and im able to use terminal and irssi
• 3681[21:08:05] <movic> ;)
• 3682[21:08:08] <jhutchins> movic: Ah: replaced-url
• 3683[21:08:17] <karlpinc> movic: I'm afraid we don't know raspbian. Anything we say might break your system. Better ask the raspbian people.
• 3684[21:08:37] <movic> i know but i think its typica also in debian
• 3685[21:08:41] <movic> sorry
• 3686[21:08:48] <movic> but lot of raspbian peps are not so advanced
• 3687[21:08:49] <movic> :/
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• 3690[21:09:06] <jhutchins> movic: See guide above for forwarding, you will also need to set up the wifi on the pi as an AP instead of a client.
• 3691[21:09:10] <karlpinc> movic: Well, you can run debian on a rpi. :)
• 3692[21:09:20] <movic> i made this process a lot of time but transfering internet from eth to wifi or wifi to eth
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• 3694[21:09:41] <jhutchins> movic: I used to build soho routers out of old PCs.
• 3695[21:09:45] <TomasCZ> Yo, we were messaging the other day :)
• 3696[21:09:53] <movic> jhutchins: its done, im connected to wifi which was created by rpi.
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• 3698[21:10:11] <jhutchins> movic: Probably just need to tweak the forwarding then.
• 3699[21:10:35] <movic> jhutchins: yes problably thats the problem but i cant figure it out :/
• 3700[21:10:50] <Walakea> which disk flags can i set in order to minimize disk writes?
• 3701[21:10:51] <jhutchins> movic: See link above - that's the best guide I've seen.
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• 3704[21:11:05] <jhutchins> Walakea: Tuning an SSD?
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• 3707[21:11:23] <Walakea> no, but i would like to know
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• 3710[21:11:49] <bluefive> The white noise
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• 3712[21:11:53] <Walakea> i mean generally for a single user laptop
• 3713[21:11:57] <bluefive> is actually quite faint
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• 3715[21:12:09] <movic> i dont know if there is a difference betwen configuring forawrd from eth0 to wlan0 and forward from eth1 (usb modem created this eth1) to wlan0
• 3716[21:12:13] <bluefive> It's obviously there but it's not very loud. It's basically as subtle as it can be while still being there.
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• 3718[21:12:21] <bluefive> Does that sound like a hardware issue?
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• 3720[21:12:57] <karlpinc> bluefive: Perhaps the AC power lines are routed too close to something? Or there's other electromagnetic crosstalk.
• 3721[21:13:20] <karlpinc> bluefive: (Just guessing. I've no clue.)
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• 3723[21:13:43] <bluefive> It's not bad but it's definitely there.
• 3724[21:13:47] <movic> jhutchins: ok, ill check this guide, brb i need to connect usb modem directly to laptop
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• 3726[21:13:52] <movic> jhutchins: thanks for help, brb
• 3727[21:13:54] <bluefive> I notice a relaxing difference when I mute the volume and kill it entirely.
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• 3738[21:16:35] <bluefive> The white noise becomes much less obnoxious when I don't play anything for 10 minutes or so.
• 3739[21:16:40] <bluefive> It comes back stronger when I play something and then sticks around.\
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• 3742[21:17:33] <bluefive> It's gone down already. So about 10 seconds after I play something it goes down to very low levels.
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• 3744[21:17:39] <bluefive> It's playing things that causes it to become a little irritating.
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• 3751[21:18:14] <karlpinc> bluefive: It's not the fan?
• 3752[21:18:18] <bluefive> No.
• 3753[21:18:31] <bluefive> The moment I play something the very subtle white noise becomes more obnoxious.
• 3754[21:18:43] <bluefive> Then if I stop playing something and wait 15 seconds or so it will go down.
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• 3756[21:19:13] <bluefive> If I could keep the white noise at the level it's at when I don't play anything then that would be fine.
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• 3758[21:19:21] <bluefive> pLaying audio is causing it to act up.
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• 3760[21:19:53] <karlpinc> bluefive: If you take it out into the cold does it behave the same way? I'm wondering if it could be heat related.
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• 3762[21:20:18] <bluefive> How could heat be the culprit?
• 3763[21:20:46] <bluefive> My home is only 65F by the way. And the unit has the issue if I've left it alone all night and use it in the morning.
• 3764[21:20:55] <karlpinc> bluefive: Heat is noise.
• 3765[21:21:18] <bluefive> I'm going to run a live ISO of elementary OS
• 3766[21:21:21] <bluefive> to see if it's there.
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• 3768[21:21:43] <bluefive> By the way
• 3769[21:22:05] <bluefive> I made some ISOs using Startup Disk that work generally OK except that I get some errors when I boot with them.
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• 3771[21:22:11] <ewew> activity of particles increases with raising temperature.
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• 3773[21:22:19] <bluefive> The disks I bought from OS DISC don't give me any such errors.
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• 3775[21:23:08] <bluefive> ewew, Maybe, but when I say the white noise intensifies when I play, I mean immediately
• 3776[21:23:12] <bluefive> not after 2 minutes or so.
• 3777[21:23:33] <ewew> did you try to mute external input sources <
• 3778[21:23:35] <ewew> ?
• 3779[21:23:46] <bluefive> I did mute Input in the Sound Preferences.
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• 3795[21:31:59] <pr0m_> hi, i'd like to use more recent versions of software on debian - i read the wiki - but practically, could anyone compare in terms of stability the testing and stable channels of debian to the rolling releases, like for example ubuntu?
• 3796[21:32:49] <dvs> pr0m_, ubuntu is like unstable. the end.
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• 3798[21:33:17] <jhutchins> pr0m_: Is there a specific feature you need on a particular package?
• 3799[21:33:35] <jhutchins> pr0m_: Or are you just insecure that other people will have bigger version numbers than you do?
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• 3802[21:34:39] <pr0m_> jhutchins, actually i am trying to move from windows 10 to linux at least at home, but all the software i use have newer versions, so running the stable release would not follow my work
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• 3807[21:35:59] <ewew> pr0m_ Debians primary goal is to have stable and secure system and offcource without nonfree stuff as much is possible.
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• 3809[21:36:12] <ewew> *offcourse.
• 3810[21:36:37] <markybob> pr0m_: what software?
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• 3812[21:37:44] <pr0m_> markybob , well i tried on vm the backported but there were many missing, like more specialized software, qgis, gmt, gcc is at 4.x, etc
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• 3814[21:39:13] <pr0m_> ewew i like that debian wants to stay free and open source plus it's a serious distro not one that will dissapear but desktop is a bit different than server at least when you collaborate with others that won't have the same os
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• 3816[21:40:57] <ewew> well. You still can use upstream sources, but note that you will not have any security support. debian testing and unstable does not have security support.
• 3817[21:41:59] <pr0m_> are upstream sources different than the standard channels ? you mean use some part?
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• 3819[21:42:51] <jmcnaught> pr0m_: the reason i use Debian Stable on my laptop is because it's reliable and I don't have to worry that an update will break something or make me update config files. There's also replaced-url
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• 3825[21:45:12] <pr0m_> jmcnaught do things break very often? i mean is it something like once in six months or more often?
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• 3831[21:47:15] <jmcnaught> pr0m_: it depends on what you consider broken i guess.. it's important to remember that testing/unstable aren't rolling releases intended for end-users, they're primarily for developers and testers working to prepare the next stable release
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• 3833[21:48:47] <jmcnaught> pr0m_: if you're new to linux and debian in particular, starting with testing/unstable isn't recommended. unless maybe what you want to use Debian for is learning how it all fits together and contributing bug reports
• 3834[21:49:31] <jmcnaught> pr0m_: if you want Debian so you can use your computer, that's what the stable release is for
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• 3838[21:51:46] <pr0m_> jmcnaught this contradicts the previous answer to my question that ubuntu is like debian unstable, unless ubuntu also breaks that often
• 3839[21:51:56] <sine0> im trying to start a daemon and it says it cant write pid file, is this a perms issue
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• 3843[21:53:22] <jmcnaught> pr0m_: there are some ubuntu refugees here that don't have a very high opinion of it
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• 3868[22:02:04] <TheWarden> Hello
• 3869[22:02:38] <TheWarden> Since the switch has gone from Iceweasel to Firefox, I installed Firefox from the backports. However how can I remove iceweasel?
• 3870[22:02:55] <cra1g321> apt-get remove iceweasel
• 3871[22:03:10] <TheWarden> I attempted to do so but apt-get states gnome-core will also be removed. I need gnome-core to use gnome.
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• 3873[22:03:52] <cra1g321> then it looks like a gnome metapackage is depending on iceweasel
• 3874[22:03:57] <towo`> no, you don't nedd gnome-core
• 3875[22:04:13] <towo`> it's only a metapackage
• 3876[22:04:19] <TheWarden> ahh what? That's how I installed gnome in the first place.
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• 3879[22:04:41] <cra1g321> paste us into paste.debian.net what it shows when you try to remove iceweasel
• 3880[22:04:44] <TheWarden> mmm okay I'll try. I guess I could just re-install gnome-core if necessary.
• 3881[22:04:49] <TheWarden> okay
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• 3883[22:05:30] <TheWarden> eek this will take more then just gnome-core... pasting the results
• 3884[22:05:35] <towo`> as long as gnome-core depends on iceweasel, you can't reinstall it without installing iceweasel
• 3885[22:05:41] <dontknow> TheWarden, i guess installing gnome-core will also install iceweasel
• 3886[22:05:53] <towo`> but again, let it go, you gnome will run
• 3887[22:06:05] <cra1g321> why didnt you just keep using iceweasel ? it's not like its suddenly going ot be unsupported
• 3888[22:06:13] <cra1g321> to*
• 3889[22:06:36] <dontknow> cra1g321, it is latest in backports
• 3890[22:06:57] <TheWarden> okay here it is replaced-url
• 3891[22:07:04] <TheWarden> dontknow: oh great
• 3892[22:07:30] <TheWarden> towo`: yeah but why have something on the system that I don't use anymore or want?
• 3893[22:07:46] <Nimms> TheWarden, you can try this: replaced-url
• 3894[22:07:46] <TheWarden> cra1g321: Iceweasel is no more plus its outdated.
• 3895[22:08:06] <dontknow> TheWarden, it means apt-get autoremove will remove those packages
• 3896[22:08:07] <cra1g321> from what you said, i thought you were using iceweasel from jessie repo
• 3897[22:08:25] <towo`> TheWarden, because autoremove is stupid
• 3898[22:08:33] <TheWarden> cra1g321: oh sorry no
• 3899[22:08:55] <TheWarden> towo`: not autoremoves fault but more of the fault of how the required dependencies are. That is stupid.
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• 3901[22:09:33] <TheWarden> Nimms: Oh okay, thanks I'll take a look. 2011, dated article. I hope it still applies today.
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• 3903[22:10:12] <cra1g321> personally i'd just set firefox as default browser and let iceweasel be, messing with metapackages will likely end in tears
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• 3905[22:11:09] <TheWarden> cra1g321: yeah that seems so.
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• 3907[22:11:55] <TheWarden> Or, learn how to install gnome and desired packages without using gnome-core meta package so there is less reliance. I thought gnome-core was it that kept me at minimal install and allowed more control of what I want.
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• 3909[22:12:21] <cra1g321> there is a few gnome metapackages
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• 3911[22:12:28] <TomTomTosch> it's not stable? iceweasel is a transitional package on stretch and sid anyway.
• 3912[22:12:30] <cra1g321> there should be one that gives yo uthe desktop environment only
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• 3916[22:14:56] <TheWarden> TomTomTosch: nothing to do with stability but more of the fact that Iceweasel is no more and Firefox is it now.
• 3917[22:15:06] <TheWarden> cra1g321: yeah haven't found it I guess :-).
• 3918[22:15:20] <TomTomTosch> TheWarden, stable means debian 8.
• 3919[22:15:33] <TheWarden> interesting aptitude appears to allow me to remove iceweasel if I don't accept the first solution and go with the second.
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• 3921[22:15:50] <cra1g321> "iceweasel is no more" iceweasel is still in jessie repos, it wont go away anytime soon
• 3922[22:15:56] <TheWarden> TomTomTosch: well okay, but Iceweasel shounldn't be used anymore as its no longer going to be updated.
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• 3925[22:16:31] <TomTomTosch> TheWarden, the question was if you use debian 8.
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• 3927[22:16:57] <TheWarden> TomTomTosch: oh yes, sorry.
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• 3932[22:18:00] <cra1g321> TheWarden, seems gnome-core is the minimal metapackage, that is rather interesting that it is set to depend on firefox :/
• 3933[22:18:03] <TheWarden> well okay, I guess sticking with what I have is all I can do unless I figured out how to install gnome without gnome-core. I'll have to look into this more later. Thanks guys.
• 3934[22:18:13] <fwuffykat> hi - I'm installing debian right now and I get the error "Failed to determine the codename for the release." when trying to "install the system"
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• 3936[22:18:23] <fwuffykat> any help?
• 3937[22:18:28] <cra1g321> gnome-core is the core modules of gnome, so you will need it
• 3938[22:18:28] <M4GNV5> uhhhhm should i be worried that sensors says my cpu runs at ~90°C? replaced-url
• 3939[22:18:30] <TheWarden> cra1g321: oh really... dang but I'm sure I could install gnome with different packages so I pick and choose no?
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• 3941[22:18:55] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat: which install iso image are you using?
• 3942[22:19:11] <cra1g321> not unless you want to pick and choose between 30+ packages and know every single one that is needed
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• 3944[22:19:17] <fwuffykat> I am using live cd i836
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• 3946[22:19:29] <TomTomTosch> TheWarden, iceweasel in stable will still be supported. so it does not matter if you use iceweasel or stable firefox.
• 3947[22:19:49] <fwuffykat> this one ---> replaced-url
• 3948[22:19:53] <cra1g321> if you have no need to use a newer firefox just stick with iceweasel imo
• 3949[22:20:04] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat: the live cds can install, but they're not very good at it. use an installer image like the one linked to on debian.org front page
• 3950[22:20:14] <TheWarden> I think gnome-shell is it and then whatever else one wants.
• 3951[22:20:15] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat: also recommended to check the install manual
• 3952[22:20:34] <Nimms> TheWarden, `apt-get install gnome-core --no-recommends` maybe?
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• 3954[22:20:46] <TheWarden> TomTomTosch: Well not according to what I've read about it and according to mozilla.debian.net
• 3955[22:20:48] <fwuffykat> really? I just spent an hour with this process....surely I don't have to abandon this?
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• 3957[22:21:00] <fwuffykat> jmcnaught: ^
• 3958[22:21:14] <cra1g321> Nimms, iceweasel is set as a dep not a recommend
• 3959[22:21:19] <cra1g321> replaced-url
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• 3961[22:21:24] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat: if you had checked the instructions first you wouldn't have wasted this time :P
• 3962[22:21:40] <Nimms> cra1g321, whoops, got it.
• 3963[22:21:45] <TheWarden> The end of the Iceweasel Age, replaced-url
• 3964[22:21:50] <TomTomTosch> TheWarden, the backports iceweasel is gone.
• 3965[22:22:33] <TheWarden> TomTomTosch: oh yeah, true. Granted different view point I have. I argue for a browser especially it should be current and updated regularly for security reasons.
• 3966[22:22:45] <TheWarden> TomTomTosch: so backports is the best solution. Granted a lot don't know that.
• 3967[22:23:02] <cra1g321> iceweasel is still supported and based on ESR version of firefox
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• 3969[22:23:19] <cra1g321> one could argue its more secure than newer firefox
• 3970[22:23:26] <TheWarden> cra1g321: this is interesting... I'll look into this more. Love to have more of a minimal install.
• 3971[22:23:28] <TomTomTosch> TheWarden, security is not the issue. usability is. replaced-url
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• 3973[22:23:38] <fwuffykat> can you give me a link to which version of Debian I should download if not the live version?
• 3974[22:23:46] <TheWarden> cra1g321: yeah I suppose but I'm not convinced.
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• 3977[22:24:18] <dvs> fwuffykat, the one that just says "current"
• 3978[22:24:30] <TheWarden> TomTomTosch: oh well not sure what people are having problems with usability wise. Security should come first. Heck I've used the latest version of the browser for more then 5 years without an issue.
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• 3980[22:24:45] <TheWarden> TomTomTosch: but okay... not arguing just saying.
• 3981[22:25:30] <TomTomTosch> TheWarden, what i tried to say is, that all security fixes for iceweasel get backported so it's just as secure. don't twist my words ;D
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• 3983[22:25:48] <markybob> fwuffykat: are you sure you need 32-bit? not 64-bit? and is it a laptop?
• 3984[22:26:15] <TheWarden> TomTomTosch: not trying to.
• 3985[22:26:17] <fwuffykat> yes, i need 32 bit and it is a laptop
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• 3987[22:26:42] <markybob> fwuffykat: replaced-url
• 3988[22:26:59] <fwuffykat> is there a torrent alternative link?
• 3989[22:27:15] <TomTomTosch> TheWarden, "Security should come first." it does. usability is the problem with the stable iceweasel version. i use the backports firefox too.
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• 3991[22:27:41] <TheWarden> TomTomTosch: ok
• 3992[22:27:44] <markybob> fwuffykat: replaced-url
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• 3995[22:29:36] <fwuffykat> why is the live cd less reliable than the install cd's when performing a full installation?
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• 4004[22:31:59] <Micky> I am trying to build a kernel and I keep getting "Failed to create a ./debian directory: at /usr/bin/make-kpkg line 996"
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• 4006[22:32:13] <Micky> Anyone know why?
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• 4009[22:32:35] <markybob> !make-kpkg
• 4010[22:32:36] <dpkg> make-kpkg is no longer the recommended method for building kernel packages. See <kernel handbook> for current instructions. It can be used to make a debian package for a custom kernel. See man make-kpkg, <kp mantra>. NOTE it does not automatically create header packages, needed for module-assistant and dkms.
• 4011[22:32:49] <markybob> Micky: you need to use the right methods. read the guide
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• 4019[22:34:06] <Micky> dpkg: You are referring to this replaced-url
• 4020[22:34:06] <dpkg> I resemble that remark!
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• 4022[22:34:37] <markybob> Micky: dpkg is a bot i called. and yes.
• 4023[22:35:15] <Micky> markybob: Oops, thats embarrassing. Thanks
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• 4037[22:44:20] <M4GNV5> ok so my pc freezed like 1h ago, after hard resetting it said cpu temperature too high while booting so i googled some stuff on measuring cpu temp. sensors tells me that my cpu is running at 93°C (thats pretty high right), even though my fan is running low (not much noise). Now i wanted to see if i can manually run the fans on 100% but it looks like debian doesnt recognize it (no fan rpm value given by sensors but like everyone has them on
• 4038[22:44:21] <M4GNV5> the help forums)? Im on a Samsung RF511, here are some outputs: replaced-url
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• 4044[22:45:02] <M4GNV5> btw if you need more info feel free to ask ;)
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• 4059[22:53:26] <jmcnaught> M4GNV5: do you know what is making the CPU so hot? I have thermald installed on my laptop, it scales the CPU down when the temperature gets too high, might help you. Figuring out what is using so much CPU would be good too
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• 4062[22:54:17] <CharlieWONG> what
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• 4070[22:56:54] <holms> what ip range should be to allow iptables to connect from this kind of ip: 10.128.18.153 netmask: 255.255.0.0?
• 4071[22:57:01] <holms> 10.0.0.0/24 doesn't work
• 4072[22:57:12] <dvs> 10.0.0.0/16
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• 4074[22:57:31] <holms> dvs: well tried this one also doesn't work, but 10.0.0.0/8 works..
• 4075[22:57:44] <holms> and i'm confused :} would be nice to read about this, don't know what to google in her
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• 4081[22:58:03] <Nimms> 10.128.0.0/16
• 4082[22:58:06] <Nimms> No?
• 4083[22:58:10] <holms> will try now
• 4084[22:58:18] * dvs smacks himself
• 4085[22:58:31] * RoyK helps
• 4086[22:58:37] <dvs> ha
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• 4088[22:59:31] <holms> Nimms: well 10.128.0.0/16 works 10.0.0.0/16 doesn't
• 4089[22:59:48] <RoyK> which is rather logical
• 4090[23:00:01] <holms> thanks :) RoyK yeah when you understand subnetting.. me don't
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• 4092[23:00:25] <M4GNV5> jmcnaught, well im not running anything (replaced-url
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• 4095[23:01:17] <RoyK> holms: with 255.255.0.0, you have 4 x 8 bits, so /16 just means the first 16 bits are matched, so, 10.128.0.0/16 means anything that matches 10.128.something
• 4096[23:01:42] <holms> RoyK: 10.0.0.0/8 also works why :)
• 4097[23:02:03] <RoyK> because /8 means "only match the first 8 bits", meaning "10"
• 4098[23:02:09] <holms> oh
• 4099[23:02:42] <holms> gratefull
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• 4101[23:02:59] <holms> RoyK: any link for theory if it's not hard please :)?
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• 4104[23:03:20] <joshjh> M4GVN is your machine air cooled?. Did you look at CPU heatsink?
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• 4112[23:05:16] <RoyK> holms: replaced-url
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• 4115[23:05:45] <holms> RoyK: thanks. i've had coursera course about internet history. i just don't recall that ranges would be there..
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• 4117[23:06:12] <RoyK> holms: that video looked ok
• 4118[23:06:31] <holms> sometimes i wish i'd finish university :D although in my country 80% of courses are crap..
• 4119[23:06:53] <holms> but would know networking at least =/
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• 4123[23:08:24] <Nimms> holms, there are some networking courses at Microsoft Virtual Academy.
• 4124[23:08:36] <Nimms> Just kidding. =D
• 4125[23:08:40] <holms> evil name in channel mentioned :D
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• 4128[23:09:14] <holms> not opensource knowledge :DD
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• 4140[23:12:12] <RippyDippy> Hey guys, what exactly does the bashrc 'expand_aliases' do?
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• 4153[23:15:13] <RippyDippy> Nevermind, got it.
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• 4181[23:28:57] <CharlieWONG> hbbjvvh
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• 4184[23:29:06] <dvs> vf ggjf
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• 4186[23:29:18] <simonlnu> blah blah hkh
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• 4194[23:33:03] <Utils> Has anyone installed PHP7 from Dotdeb that can spare a few moments to help me? Not sure the best place to ask.
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• 4196[23:34:19] <hanshenrik> i have
• 4197[23:34:29] <Brigo> Utils, it is not supported here ...
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• 4225[23:42:43] <CryptoManiac> I ran "cat /dev/zero > zero.dat ; sync ; sleep 1 ; sync ; rm zero.dat" on a debian virtual instance running on Hyper-V. I got the advice from a forum as I was trying to compact the .vhd file. Unfortunately the Hyper-V host ran out of space during the procedure and the os starting showing segfaults. Tried to reboot and now the system stays in initramfs.
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• 4245[23:48:48] <CryptoManiac> I ran "cat /dev/zero > zero.dat ; sync ; sleep 1 ; sync ; rm zero.dat" on a debian virtual instance running on Hyper-V. I got the advice from a forum as I was trying to compact the .vhd file. Unfortunately the Hyper-V host ran out of space during the procedure and the os starting showing segfaults. Tried to reboot and now the system stays in initramfs.
• 4246[23:48:59] <CryptoManiac> replaced-url
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• 4250[23:49:32] <Triski> CryptoManiac, is there free space?
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• 4252[23:50:23] <CryptoManiac> yes
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• 4254[23:50:54] <Triski> checked dmesg for any info?
• 4255[23:51:04] <CryptoManiac> replaced-url
• 4256[23:51:09] <CryptoManiac> not yet
• 4257[23:51:24] <CryptoManiac> i think the partition is damaged and needs to be repaired
• 4258[23:51:35] <CryptoManiac> is there a way I can do that from initramfs?
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• 4260[23:52:00] <Triski> seems like udev could not map the device, so no root partition is mounted
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• 4265[23:52:59] <ewew> it may depend on the fact if its possible to mount root and the relevant tool is available in this state.
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• 4267[23:53:31] <CryptoManiac> The funny thing is that it is looking for files in /root which is the home dir of the root user
• 4268[23:53:40] <markybob> main problem is you ran it as root so the reserved root space got eaten up and not protected
• 4269[23:53:44] <CryptoManiac> could this be because i ran the command while I was in root?
• 4270[23:53:57] <markybob> boot with a live cd, mount /, then rm the file
• 4271[23:54:33] <Triski> do you have any hyper-v snapshot you can roll back
• 4272[23:54:33] <CryptoManiac> which file will I have to rm?
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• 4274[23:54:51] <CryptoManiac> Unfortunately not. :-(
• 4275[23:54:59] <markybob> zero.dat. i don't believe it got removed.
• 4276[23:55:27] <Triski> sometimes the file is not removed until you sync your filesystem
• 4277[23:55:59] <CryptoManiac> so there's still some hope for me
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• 4279[23:56:08] <Triski> try the above, use a bootable rescue to access the root partition and clean and fsck it
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• 4281[23:56:14] <markybob> CryptoManiac: yeah i think you'll be fine if you follow what i said. hopefully :P
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• 4283[23:56:38] <CryptoManiac> Thank you markybob and Triski: Will hold thumbs and try. :-)
• 4284[23:56:41] <CryptoManiac> Happy easter by the way
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• 4286[23:57:07] <Triski> happy easter CryptoManiac!
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