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0 [00:00:00] <dob1> TomTomTosch, i have to put them in a repository?
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3 [00:02:00] <TomTomTosch> dob1, no, but you have to tell git. 'git diff --no-index <path> <path>'
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30 [00:13:24] <thenewone> Hi guys if i wanna change the 3.16 kernel wish one is recommended ?
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33 [00:13:52] <TomTomTosch> the one in jessie-backports, which is 4.3
34 [00:13:57] <markybob> thenewone: i suppose the one in jessie-backports
35 [00:14:10] <TomTomTosch> first :P
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37 [00:14:19] <markybob> TomTomTosch: cell phone! :P
38 [00:14:39] <TomTomTosch> excuses, excuses!
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44 [00:18:19] <jackcom> how can i install python?
45 [00:19:05] <TomTomTosch> python is installed. it's not an option in debian.
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47 [00:19:38] <TomTomTosch> type 'python --version'
48 [00:19:39] <jackcom> oh
49 [00:19:41] <dob1> TomTomTosch, i was not able with git, but i used the comm command, for example comm -23 file1 file2
50 [00:19:56] <jackcom> thanks TomTomTosch ;)
51 [00:20:03] <thenewone> markybob: thanks
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53 [00:20:14] <markybob> TomTomTosch: haha, i win
54 [00:20:21] <jackcom> TomTomTosch: anyway there is no python3 ?
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60 [00:21:17] <TomTomTosch> jackcom, if it's not installed, apt-get install python3
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62 [00:21:35] <jackcom> python3 --version
63 [00:21:35] <jackcom> Python 3.4.2
64 [00:21:42] <jackcom> thanks TomTomTosch ;)
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66 [00:22:25] <TomTomTosch> markybob, heh. customers favorite i guess x(
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74 [00:24:42] <thenewone> guys who tested debian8-3 with 4.4 kernel ?
75 [00:24:56] <TomTomTosch> nobody? :3
76 [00:25:02] <thenewone> lol
77 [00:25:05] <thenewone> :D
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79 [00:25:32] <TomTomTosch> i mean, you can try building it yourself, but you are on your own then ;D
80 [00:25:38] <thenewone> i know
81 [00:25:44] <thenewone> iwill do it in vm before i test it on real
82 [00:25:54] <TomTomTosch> that's a good idea.
83 [00:26:08] <thenewone> i just get it now
84 [00:26:15] <thenewone> debian for servers not for laptops :)
85 [00:26:30] <TomTomTosch> just don't install it from stretch or sid.
86 [00:26:32] <thenewone> but it's ok learning new stuff don't hurt :)
87 [00:26:42] <thenewone> yep
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97 [00:32:20] <markybob> thenewone: why? i have it on my laptop right now. just fine.
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109 [00:37:20] <thenewone> markybob: i know it's fine but i need to use to it :)
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140 [00:53:12] <thenewone> ok guys take care :)
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143 [00:54:07] <insaneinside> Does linux-image-4.4 not include the snd-emu10k1 driver? My SB Audigy no longer works on upgrade from linux-image-4.3.
144 [00:54:18] <insaneinside> i.e., the driver no longer exists.
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146 [00:56:00] <markybob> insaneinside: it's bug #814855
147 [00:56:01] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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151 [00:57:25] <insaneinside> ....! wontfix?! Seriously?
152 [00:57:35] <insaneinside> These sound cards are very, very common.
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155 [00:58:01] <TomTomTosch> and testing/unstable are not stable x)
156 [00:58:17] <insaneinside> good point.
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165 [01:02:41] <TomTomTosch> seems like someone got it working by building it themselves.
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169 [01:03:14] <insaneinside> yeah, but i'm lazy and building kernels was fun back in high school, not so much now
170 [01:03:21] <insaneinside> I guess I'll just keep using 4.3 for now. Damn it, why can't technology just be magic? (Rhetorical question!)
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191 [01:10:38] <terabit> Hi, I wanted to know why debian uses HTTPS/TLS for iso and other install time downloads .
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193 [01:11:02] <TomTomTosch> meh. i'm on 3.16 and pretty happy.
194 [01:11:18] <phogg> terabit: is there a reason not to use https?
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197 [01:11:35] <terabit> I personally thing it's great , someone is telling me they won't let their project use TLS because openbsd or w/e doesn't use it
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199 [01:12:01] <abrotman> that's goofy ..
200 [01:13:20] <terabit> having trouble being taken seriously so I was hoping maybe you have a mailing list discussion or something documented I can show the said person to prove I'm not being a paranoid jerk by insisting they use TLS :P
201 [01:14:05] <jackcom> how can i install virtualenv? ;(
202 [01:14:43] <themill> terabit: which downloads are you talking about?
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204 [01:16:37] <terabit> replaced-url
205 [01:16:40] <terabit> basically all of them
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208 [01:16:56] <themill> I think you mean none of them
209 [01:17:02] <terabit> including torrent and direct iso downloas have https links
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211 [01:18:07] <themill> images and packages are verified by gpg signatures not by https
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213 [01:18:44] <jackcom> how can i install virtualenv?
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215 [01:18:50] <abrotman> I thought some of the mirrors supported https now ?
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217 [01:19:16] <TomTomTosch> jackcom, apt-get install python-virtualenv ?
218 [01:19:24] <themill> or even just apt install virtualenv
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223 [01:19:40] <jackcom> oh thanks TomTomTosch ;)
224 [01:19:56] <themill> abrotman: a few and the links are not there on that page
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226 [01:20:28] <abrotman> gotcha
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228 [01:21:22] <TomTomTosch> jackcom, but care, virtualenv is for python3, python-virtualenv is the python2 version.
229 [01:22:01] <jackcom> lol
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231 [01:22:37] <jackcom> apt-get install virtualenv for python3 ? TomTomTosch ?
232 [01:23:02] <TomTomTosch> jackcom, yes.
233 [01:23:17] <jackcom> thanks ;)
234 [01:23:19] <terabit> themill: I know GPG is used to manually verify downloads, but https links exist to ISO's and .torrent's
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236 [01:23:40] <TomTomTosch> really? where did they hide it?
237 [01:23:54] <themill> terabit: which link there is an https link to an iso?
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244 [01:26:30] <TomTomTosch> terabit, https would only add overhead without added security.
245 [01:26:41] <TomTomTosch> in this case at least.
246 [01:27:13] <terabit> even for people that won't do GPG verification?
247 [01:27:32] <terabit> themill: someone linked me a debian page for an example of a distro that uses https in ##crypto
248 [01:27:45] <terabit> looking up what that url was ...
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251 [01:28:07] <TomTomTosch> the frontpage does, but not the downloads.
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253 [01:29:24] <themill> cdimage.debian.org doesn't even listen on :443.
254 [01:29:38] <terabit> seems you're right
255 [01:29:47] <terabit> w/e
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258 [01:30:34] <themill> where it makes sense, material is delivered via https; there are https mirrors around too, but you'd still be verifying the resources by gpg.
259 [01:30:40] <markybob> terabit: what's the real question? what is your project that you were talking about?
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262 [01:31:09] <terabit> markybob: already asked it, and I got my answer :P
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265 [01:31:23] <terabit> themill: that clears it up,thanks.
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267 [01:32:06] <TomTomTosch> heh, i guess he just wanted to prove someone wrong x)
268 [01:32:14] <markybob> i guess
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308 [01:53:51] <mo1991reg> anyone know what it takes to get a linked in connect to debian users group?
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310 [01:54:20] <mo1991reg> I've had a pending for some time :(
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329 [02:02:40] <TomTomTosch> would be nice to have bit more automated procedures for checking the integrity though.
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333 [02:04:41] <themill> therein lies the problem -- would you trust a few hundred lines of baroque shell code that you downloaded from some random site?
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344 [02:08:21] <TomTomTosch> "even for people that won't do GPG verification?" has a point though. i guess a lot of people don't x(
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350 [02:10:19] <pasadinhas> Hey everyone. I'm having trouble with my Debian. Long story short: I'm running 8.3 on my laptop and using it as a server. I don't want it to suspend so I masked suspend.target. systemd-logind is using high CPU and the log says:
351 [02:10:20] <pasadinhas> Mar 23 01:03:57 DEBIAN systemd-logind[647]: Suspending...
352 [02:10:21] <pasadinhas> Mar 23 01:03:57 DEBIAN systemd-logind[647]: Failed to execute operation: Unit suspend.target is masked.
353 [02:10:40] <pasadinhas> it's doing that every second, so that's where the cpu usage is coming, I guess
354 [02:10:41] <pasadinhas> any tips?
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366 [02:20:28] <TheSin> how do I cross compile something that requires avahi when each arch conflicts with each other?
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375 [02:25:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> pasadinhas, why did you do that anyway... why would a system suspend if it's not told to
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380 [02:26:08] <pasadinhas> CutMeOwnThroat maybe the laptop "auto-suspends"... don't know. all I know is that it's having this weird behaviour
381 [02:26:18] <cmtptr> is there something I can configure to change where the /vmlinuz and /initrd.img symlinks are created?
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383 [02:26:29] <cmtptr> it would be more useful to me if they lived in /boot
384 [02:26:34] <pasadinhas> it's trying to suspend 3 or more times a second
385 [02:26:53] <somiaj> cmtptr: if you are using grub you shouldn't need those symlinks
386 [02:27:00] <cmtptr> I'm not using grub
387 [02:27:07] <somiaj> cmtptr: are you using lilo?
388 [02:27:10] <cmtptr> no
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392 [02:28:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> pasadinhas, it doesn't auto suspend... well, mine doesn't... so I wonder why you did the masking
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394 [02:28:07] <somiaj> cmtptr: well whatever you are using to boot, if you point it directly at the actual kernel/initrd, and you can point it at symlinks if you want, but unsure about scripts that change them on kernel upgrades
395 [02:28:30] <cmtptr> I'm aware of how to use my bootloader
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397 [02:28:42] <cmtptr> this doesn't answer my question
398 [02:28:47] <jmcnaught> pasadinhas: the lid is closed on the laptop I guess? Set HandleLidSwitch=ignore in /etc/systemd/logind.conf
399 [02:28:49] <pasadinhas> CutMeOwnThroat I ran the command in the Debian wiki. Here: replaced-url
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404 [02:29:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, but why
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406 [02:29:52] <jmcnaught> pasadinhas: then you can also unmask suspend.target so that you can use it if you ever need to. i also use an old laptop as a homeserver
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408 [02:30:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> I could understand doing the lid thing
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410 [02:30:34] <pasadinhas> jmcnaught that's actually a possibility. Unfurtunatly I just f#ck€d things up because it suspended now... And I'm not in the same city as the laptop atm. just great
411 [02:30:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> but ... well, fixing a problem that didn't exist?
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416 [02:31:10] <pasadinhas> But yeah, that's probably the problem!
417 [02:31:12] <pasadinhas> thank yo
418 [02:31:15] <pasadinhas> *you
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441 [02:41:24] <pasadinhas> jmcnaught it worked, thanks :)
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444 [02:42:15] <jmcnaught> pasadinhas: you're welcome
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447 [02:43:24] <foreverska> I have issues with DPI across dissimilar models under openbox. is there a WM or DE that gets it right?
448 [02:43:36] <foreverska> *monitors
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537 [03:54:12] <julius> hi
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540 [03:54:39] <julius> got a apt-get running, i did do: ctrl+z and bg, but im still getting output to the ssh console. can i disconnect safely?
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545 [03:59:12] <TomTomTosch> not without closing that session.
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547 [04:00:14] <ilCyx86_64> julius: If you want to keep something running even after its parent tty is killed, prefix the command with `nohup`
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556 [04:04:28] <markybob> julius: this is why people made 'screen'
557 [04:05:00] <markybob> julius: just ctrl+a d
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577 [04:14:14] <lq> replaced-url
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592 [04:20:47] <hanasaki> how do I check bluetooth from the cmd line?
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595 [04:21:46] <somiaj> hanasaki: look at the bluez package, can't really say much more than that. It may have cli tools
596 [04:21:49] <somiaj> !bluetooth
597 [04:21:49] <dpkg> Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (replaced-url
598 [04:22:12] <hanasaki> didn't get far w/ that... syslog has
599 [04:22:21] <hanasaki> Bluetooth: hci0 command 0x0c03 tx timeout
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604 [04:26:41] <TomTomTosch> no device in range that would answer?
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610 [04:28:48] <hanasaki> no
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628 [04:39:43] <TomTomTosch> somiaj, that factoid seems a bit outdated. bluez-utils is not in jessie.
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633 [04:42:01] <somiaj> TomTomTosch: ahh, I woudln't know what to update it to. I just know bluez is/was the tools for bluetooth in debian/linux
634 [04:42:11] <somiaj> or at least the common one I always seem to see people using
635 [04:42:16] <markybob> it is. just bluez now
636 [04:42:32] <TomTomTosch> jep, or bluetooth. it's the same.
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659 [04:51:23] <TomTomTosch> scanning would be 'hcitool scan' as user
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661 [04:51:48] <TomTomTosch> hanasaki, you did this? ^
662 [04:53:26] <TomTomTosch> hanasaki, if so, can you tell me what lsusb or lspci says about your device?
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673 [05:06:09] <RoyK> TomTomTosch: those things happen ;)
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702 [05:25:43] <ryouma> is this significant? "Warning: nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing the local hostname might make it unresolveable. Please install nss-myhostname!"
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720 [05:38:12] <jmcnaught> ryouma: on my jessie system it's installed, it looks like because gnome-control-center recommends it. does your /etc/nsswitch.conf use it? it's after files on the hosts line here. Where did you see the warning? Whatever warned you obviously thinks it's important.
721 [05:38:12] <transhuman_> anyone able to explain what this means, or more to the point is there an easy fix ? replaced-url
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732 [05:41:57] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: i'm not a Xen user, but is that a custom init script? it sounds like it is missing the LSB headers that tell your /sbin/init what this script's dependencies are
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734 [05:42:22] <transhuman_> what does an LSB header look like so I can add it
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736 [05:42:50] <tipo> can i run a normal debian image on a raspberry pi 2?
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739 [05:45:21] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: there is an example one at /etc/init.d/skeleton, you could also look at replaced-url
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745 [05:48:41] <transhuman_> jmcnaught, one last question should I proceed with upgrade and fix afterwards, or is this a show stopper
746 [05:50:37] <jmcnaught> transhuman_: i don't know what this script is, and i'm not familiar with this error. i suspect that it's not the native Xen way of autostarting domUs.
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749 [05:51:59] <transhuman_> it starts domU's but my concern is that I will do irreperable damage to the integrity of the install if I proceed that I cant fix afterward. (NO VM's are on it that need to be started, just dont want to cause a package break during middle of upgrade)
750 [05:52:05] <TheSin> tipo, kinda, you need the firmware from the rpi foundation, but otherwise you can run the armhf dist
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754 [05:55:15] <transhuman_> heck I just took a san snapshot before accepting the warning, see what happens, can undo if i have to
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832 [07:05:32] <cheapie> A -686 kernel won't run on a 586, will it?
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835 [07:08:04] <ksx4system> cheapie, most likely it won't run (but check anyway)
836 [07:09:29] <cheapie> OK, I'll try that.
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840 [07:10:33] <cheapie> It's currently installing (this'll take a while).
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852 [07:18:03] <cheapie> Still unpacking that kernel...
853 [07:18:06] <Hijiri> Does the build (in stretch) of mpv have samba support disabled?
854 [07:18:37] <Hijiri> actually I already know that it does, at least it looks like it does
855 [07:18:49] <Hijiri> but why was it configured that way? Less build deps?
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858 [07:20:59] <Hijiri> mplayer2 supports it, it looks like
859 [07:23:29] <Hijiri> also where can I go to request that it be compiled with samba support?
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900 [07:53:19] <superlinux> hi. I have my hp proliant ml350 gen9 server sometimes arrives at grub menu and it boots normally and sometimes is does not and hangs just before the menu shows up. so what what's wrong? and everytime I get error that my write cache has been lost.
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914 [07:59:15] <lesta> superlinux: what os?
915 [07:59:46] <superlinux> latest debian jessie 8 with backports too
916 [08:00:03] <superlinux> lesta, .
917 [08:00:10] <lesta> superlinux: did you apply all the HP patch/updates?
918 [08:00:14] <superlinux> yes
919 [08:00:16] <superlinux> i did
920 [08:00:20] <lesta> BIOS?
921 [08:00:21] <superlinux> all of them
922 [08:00:25] <superlinux> even BIOS
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924 [08:00:35] <superlinux> i boot from lagacy bios
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927 [08:01:12] <superlinux> even SPP updates are applied
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929 [08:01:34] <superlinux> and the repositories of debian are added too
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933 [08:02:16] <superlinux> and I always lose my write cache because of it getting error number 1793
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938 [08:03:03] <superlinux> lesta, .
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959 [08:09:42] <lesta> superlinux: power and data cables ok?
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961 [08:10:44] <superlinux> lesta the server boots just fine . but I have to restart the machine a number of times to reach the grub boot menu
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976 [08:17:02] <jmcnaught> superlinux: the computer has a hardware RAID card? it sounds more like a problem with a RAID card than GRUB
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978 [08:17:41] <superlinux> jmcnaught, yes it does have RAID card HP smart array P440ar
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983 [08:20:07] <superlinux> I going to contact HP soon. I have just downloaded the AHS Logs from iLo
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986 [08:22:38] <superlinux> but i was wondering whether it's a GRUB or RAID
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1002 [08:36:43] <innerand> When building/installing an upstream Kernel, should I prefer one near the Debian version (3.16 -> 3.18) or rather a newer one (4.4)?
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1005 [08:37:44] <innerand> (aim is to have rt-patches in debian jessie)
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1072 [09:10:59] <MCMic> Hello
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1076 [09:11:29] <MCMic> I’m trying to understand why installing cutegram removes ffmpeg. Is there no way of having both installed?
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1078 [09:11:40] <MCMic> (debian jessie)
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1093 [09:16:09] <superlinux> MCMic, do you need other then raising the volume of the video and compressing it?
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1096 [09:17:08] <MCMic> superlinux: What?
1097 [09:17:36] <superlinux> brb
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1099 [09:20:14] <Amun_Ra> that's not an official debian package
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1102 [09:20:46] <MCMic> Oh, maybe
1103 [09:21:29] <Amun_Ra> ,v cutegram
1104 [09:21:30] <judd> No package named 'cutegram' was found in amd64.
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1107 [09:22:04] <MCMic> Amun_Ra: Oh you’re right, I took the ubuntu package from their website, that explains why it causes problems ^^
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1109 [09:22:15] <MCMic> Did not remember this
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1111 [09:22:35] <MCMic> It seems it depends of libav-tools which conflict with ffmpeg
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1116 [09:25:11] <Amun_Ra> perhaps ubuntu's libav-tools does not conflict with ffmpeg but I'm too lazy to check that out ;>
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1129 [09:33:36] <jelly> MCMic: which debian release are you using? There's ffmpeg and libav-tools in jessie-backports
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1133 [09:34:58] <MCMic> jelly: I’m using jessie
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1135 [09:35:20] <jelly> !jessie-backports
1136 [09:35:21] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
1137 [09:35:55] <MCMic> jelly: but they are conflicting no?
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1139 [09:36:58] <jelly> MCMic: I think not.
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1141 [09:37:44] <jelly> judd: depends libavtools --release jessie-backports
1142 [09:37:45] <judd> No package named 'libavtools' was found in jessie-backports/amd64.
1143 [09:37:49] <jelly> judd: depends libav-tools --release jessie-backports
1144 [09:37:50] <judd> Package libav-tools in jessie-backports/amd64 -- depends: ffmpeg.
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1146 [09:38:06] <jelly> MCMic: they can't both Depend and Conflict at the same time
1147 [09:38:15] <MCMic> judd: depends libav-tools --release jessie
1148 [09:38:17] <judd> Package libav-tools in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libavcodec56 (>= 6:11~beta1) | libavcodec-extra-56 (>= 6:11.4), libavdevice55 (>= 6:11~beta1), libavfilter5 (>= 6:11~beta1), libavformat56 (>= 6:11~beta1), libavresample2 (>= 6:11~beta1), libavutil54 (>= 6:11~beta1), libc6 (>= 2.14), libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.11), libswscale3 (>= 6:11~beta1), libvdpau1 (>= 0.2), libx11-6,dpkg (>= 1.15.7.2~).
1149 [09:38:24] <MCMic> hum
1150 [09:38:35] <MCMic> ok I’ll try the backports version
1151 [09:39:42] <MCMic> judd: Thanks a lot, it worked :-)
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1153 [09:40:55] <simonlnu> judd is a bot
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1158 [09:41:49] <jelly> and it appreciates the gratitude nevertheless!
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1203 [10:05:58] <rtur> Hello guys. I get this error replaced-url
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1207 [10:07:05] <jelly> rtur: is your machine an openvz vps?
1208 [10:07:11] <rtur> jelly, yes
1209 [10:07:41] <jelly> apparently something broke the custom init system (upstart) used for your vps image
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1214 [10:08:13] <jelly> rtur: a reboot may help, or the machine might not be able to boot properly at all. Tread carefully.
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1216 [10:08:42] <rtur> jelly, Thank you, I'll open a ticket with my provider then.
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1225 [10:11:56] <Cloudwalker42> hello
1226 [10:12:03] <Jimmymaniac> Hi. Quick question: Just noticed that a software raid array is syncronizing but nothing is showing on syslog. Neither /proc/mdstat nor mdadm --detail are telling me which hard disk caused the event. How can i find out?
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1232 [10:15:00] <Cloudwalker42> I performed a dist upgrade on one of my systems to debian Jessie from wheezy. The upgrade went well but some of my php scripts in a subdirectory of my website aren't interpreted by the browser and are ust displayed as source code in the browser.
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1234 [10:15:24] <Cloudwalker42> interpreted by the apache web server*
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1268 [10:37:59] <si_kabayan> Is debdelta server down?
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1271 [10:38:40] <si_kabayan> I think it's already a week I get the `Delta is not present:` message ...
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1284 [10:43:16] <donoban> can I download a packages with his dependencies with apt-get?
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1289 [10:45:22] <jelly> donoban: that's how "apt-get install' works by default
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1291 [10:45:56] <donoban> but I don't want install them jelly, sorry I didn't explain well
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1294 [10:46:18] <donoban> I want to download them for do then an offline install
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1296 [10:47:15] <donoban> I tried, apt-get download <pacakge> it doesn't download dependencies
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1298 [10:47:30] <donoban> and also apt-get install -d <package> , I'm not sure what was wrong
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1301 [10:48:50] <jelly> donoban: apt-get -d install will only download what's needed _on the current machine_
1302 [10:49:01] <jelly> you probably want something like apt-zip
1303 [10:49:05] <jelly> !apt-zip
1304 [10:49:05] <dpkg> Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. replaced-url
1305 [10:49:17] <jelly> or some of the alternatives.
1306 [10:49:25] <donoban> ty jelly I'm gonna read man
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1313 [10:53:31] <donoban> uhm, jelly apt-zip is only on whezzy
1314 [10:53:53] <donoban> last update on Feb 2008 :\
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1321 [10:59:26] <MrDetonia> Does anyone know when Linux 4.5 will merge into Testing?
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1323 [10:59:35] <MrDetonia> as the default kernel, I mean
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1335 [11:03:35] <beepbopboop> babilen, hey I fixed the issue with the video drivers!
1336 [11:03:42] <beepbopboop> Now I just need to get my audio to work... haha
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1344 [11:08:46] <babilen> beepbopboop: Cool, what did you end up doing?
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1347 [11:09:28] <babilen> Did the opensource drivers work for you or did you have to install fglrx from backports?
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1350 [11:09:39] <beepbopboop> I just had to install non-free drivers
1351 [11:09:53] <babilen> Did you grab the ones from backports as suggested?
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1354 [11:10:52] <beepbopboop> replaced-url
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1357 [11:11:09] <beepbopboop> I just followed the part after installation
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1360 [11:11:48] <beepbopboop> What's stupid is that I was looking at that page constantly... and the answer was right there. Derp
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1362 [11:13:01] <babilen> Ah, so installing the firmware and libgl1-mesa-dri solved it. I had hoped that it would, which is why I suggested to try that first. Typically the AMD drivers in Xorg/Kernel are quite good.
1363 [11:13:13] <babilen> Wonderful :)
1364 [11:13:19] <beepbopboop> Yeah, haha
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1368 [11:15:42] <beepbopboop> Anyone know of a good way to troubleshoot sound issues? My system isn't making any sounds despite volume levels
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1370 [11:16:00] <tlatelolco> Hello! I need to prevent access to any shell or login (but SSH), so I need to disable the Ctrl-Alt-F... ttys. How to, please?
1371 [11:16:14] <sn0wmonster> Is it Debian inside of Qubes or something special like that beepbopboop?
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1374 [11:16:38] <beepbopboop> sn0wmonster, I'm just running Debian Jessie with the cinnamon DE
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1377 [11:16:58] <Walex> tlatelolco: PAM.
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1380 [11:17:23] <Slimmy> Hello folks. I remember in an Ubuntu distro back in the day hearing drums when logging in. Is there a way to have a log in sound in debian stable?
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1382 [11:18:06] <rozie> !alsa
1383 [11:18:07] <dpkg> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <default alsa>, <alsa firmware>. replaced-url
1384 [11:18:07] <beepbopboop> Slimmy, yeah just go to sound settings I believe- I don't know if the system configuration stuff is the same in other DEs or not though
1385 [11:18:20] <rozie> beepbopboop: take a look at above help
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1387 [11:18:53] <Slimmy> I have sound. I just want to know how to have a welcome sound
1388 [11:19:08] <babilen> dpkg: tell beepbopboop about alsa checklist
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1391 [11:19:32] <babilen> beepbopboop: You also want to install pavucontrol and adjust volume levels and output sinks there.
1392 [11:19:39] <babilen> (for pulseaudio)
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1394 [11:20:24] <tlatelolco> Walex, I just need to prevent people from escaping the X session, because the PC is an internet kiosk for anyone. No Ctrl-Alt-F.. could be possible
1395 [11:20:31] <beepbopboop> babilen, yeah, I read somewhere about getting pavucontrol to adjust volume levels, hmm
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1397 [11:21:11] <beepbopboop> Also, how do I add myself to the 'audio' group? or at least check?
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1399 [11:21:51] <babilen> beepbopboop: Start with the alsa checklist, run "alsamixer" and make sure all channels are unmuted ("m" unmutes/mutes). Then run "speaker-test -t wav" which should play audio on all channels. Once you are done with that you want to check the configuration in pavucontrol. The output of "aplay -L" might also be of interest.
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1404 [11:22:37] <babilen> Also read how "aplay -L" correlates to device selection in the speaker-test manpage
1405 [11:23:27] <babilen> Well, also make sure your AMP is turned on and the speakers connected (or similar steps for other hardware)
1406 [11:23:30] <Beeblebrox-BSD> Hello. What is the method to replace one package with another? Typical example is to use mariadb instead of mysql without deleting the packages depending on mysql in the process.
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1409 [11:23:52] <babilen> Beeblebrox-BSD: You can just install mariadb-server
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1411 [11:24:23] <babilen> The packages are designed in such a way to allow for that without problems
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1413 [11:25:01] <beepbopboop> Alright, everything's unmuted in alsamixer, speakertest doesn't give any audio, everything's fine in pavucontrol
1414 [11:25:02] <babilen> Beeblebrox-BSD: Or are you interested in ways in which you can get your own packages to behave like that?
1415 [11:25:20] <Beeblebrox-BSD> babilen: no, not own packages
1416 [11:25:35] <Beeblebrox-BSD> but if just install, the client wont be conistent
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1418 [11:26:03] <Beeblebrox-BSD> system will be using mysql-client rather than mariadb-client
1419 [11:26:27] <babilen> beepbopboop: Check "aplay -L" -- it might be that some pesky little bugger is the default device. Also make sure the correct output sink is selected in pavucontrol. For me it helps sometimes to simply run "alsactl init" and I haven't quite understood why.
1420 [11:26:48] <babilen> Beeblebrox-BSD: You can also install mariadb-client
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1422 [11:27:05] <babilen> (but mysql-client can speak to mariadb-server)
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1424 [11:27:56] <beepbopboop> alsactl init just says, command not found
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1427 [11:28:04] <Beeblebrox-BSD> babilen: But how are the apps depending on mysql-client supposed to know which client to use?
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1430 [11:28:37] <Beeblebrox-BSD> Also, yes the client talks to MDB, but the proper client is healthier for error minimization
1431 [11:28:50] <beepbopboop> and I don't know what to do with this list for aplay -L
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1433 [11:29:10] <Beeblebrox-BSD> AFAIK MDB-client and My-client are both named the same
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1435 [11:31:37] <babilen> beepbopboop: You don't have alsa-utils installed then
1436 [11:32:11] <beepbopboop> I just checked, it says I have it
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1438 [11:32:47] <babilen> beepbopboop: It is /usr/sbin/alsactl and you run it as root (I guess that you don't have /usr/sbin in your PATH)
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1440 [11:34:04] <beepbopboop> Hmm, I'm not seeing an alsactl
1441 [11:34:55] <beepbopboop> Oh wait, nevermind
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1443 [11:35:51] <babilen> Beeblebrox-BSD: You just have one or the other installed
1444 [11:36:00] <babilen> (which is ensured by the package dependencies)
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1446 [11:36:22] <beepbopboop> how do I 'run' alsactl?
1447 [11:36:23] <sn0wmonster> ALSACTL: Order your groceries from Linux
1448 [11:36:32] <babilen> beepbopboop: Do you use sudo?
1449 [11:36:48] <babilen> sn0wmonster: Pardon?
1450 [11:36:52] <beepbopboop> just sudo alsactl when in /usr/sbin?
1451 [11:37:07] <sn0wmonster> Alsa= Walmart's name in the UK
1452 [11:37:25] <babilen> beepbopboop: "sudo /usr/sbin/alsactl" would definitely work, depending on your sudo path configuration "sudo alsactl" would work also.
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1455 [11:37:55] <babilen> But then you want "alsactl init", so make that ... "sudo /usr/sbin/alsactl init" or "sudo alsactl init" respectively
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1459 [11:38:21] <beepbopboop> Ahh, okay
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1461 [11:39:42] <beepbopboop> Hmm, so what do with this information?
1462 [11:39:51] <babilen> With what?
1463 [11:39:55] <beepbopboop> Found hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC1150" "HDA:10ec0900,1458a182,00100001" "0x1458" "0xa182"
1464 [11:39:55] <beepbopboop> Hardware is initialized using a generic method
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1466 [11:40:10] <babilen> beepbopboop: You simply run it. If it did not start playing for you the "magic" did not work.
1467 [11:40:20] <babilen> Are you currently playing music/sound ?
1468 [11:40:25] <beepbopboop> No
1469 [11:40:29] <babilen> Well ..
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1472 [11:41:43] <beepbopboop> Testing the sounds afterward just gives the same silent result
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1474 [11:42:12] <babilen> And as said earlier: The output of "aplay -L" might be of interest. Also that of "cat /proc/asound/cards" -- my guess would be that the "wrong" device is the default. It's not hard to switch it, but you should be able to play on the correct device with alsactl or select it in the pavuctl configuration (you said that the latter is fine though)
1475 [11:42:19] <rozie> beepbopboop: did you check alsa-checklist
1476 [11:42:25] <rozie> !alsa-checklist
1477 [11:42:25] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
1478 [11:42:49] <babilen> rozie: I send that to beepbopboop quite some time ago, so I would very much hope that it has been checked, yeah
1479 [11:43:07] <beepbopboop> babilen, well the settings looked all fine- no actual sound though.
1480 [11:43:17] <rozie> babilen: OK, sorry, didn't read backlog
1481 [11:43:41] <babilen> beepbopboop: We need data (such as the output of the aforementioned commands or screenshots of the pavuvtl dialogue)
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1484 [11:44:30] <beepbopboop> Hmm
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1487 [11:45:05] <beepbopboop> Like... how do I check the first thing on the check list about being in an audio group?
1488 [11:45:35] <Iridos> "groups"?
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1490 [11:46:22] <Iridos> we also need a new checklist that includes pulseaudio stuff :-/
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1492 [11:46:40] <rozie> beepbopboop: grep audio /etc/group
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1495 [11:47:40] <rozie> if you user isn't there, then, sudo adduser <username> audio
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1497 [11:47:52] <beepbopboop> Okay well it shows that I'm in the audio group there, tested alsamixer- that appears to be fine
1498 [11:48:33] <rozie> did you reboot after adding user to audio group?
1499 [11:48:44] <beepbopboop> It said I was already in the group
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1501 [11:49:24] <themill> allegedly, in these days of polkit brokering, the audio group isn't needed any more
1502 [11:49:38] * themill has never experimented to verify
1503 [11:49:50] <rozie> beepbopboop: my trust is limited. especially that my audio works ;-)
1504 [11:50:05] <beepbopboop> Damn, hmm...
1505 [11:50:35] <rozie> just reboot and we all will be sure and happy
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1510 [11:51:06] <beepbopboop> Alright I'll reboot- I doubt it'll do anything because I haven't really even done anything, lol
1511 [11:51:07] <beepbopboop> I'll brb
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1513 [11:52:21] <gattler> Hi, I want to trigger an udev rule when an usb device is unplugged, so I did: "ACTION=="remove", ENV{DEVTYPE}=="usb_device", RUN+="/usr/local/bin/usb_remove.sh""
1514 [11:52:34] <gattler> But this rule is never triggred
1515 [11:52:37] <gattler> any suggestions?
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1519 [11:55:23] <stallmanoia> I like debian but the problem is its text on Xwindows is too hard on the eyes
1520 [11:55:43] <nebg> hello everyone i'm trying to compile kicad on a debian machine... but i have a compilation problem... i really can't understand... can somebody here help me understand which is the problem ? the log of make is here replaced-url
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1522 [11:56:20] <nebg> i can't understand the compilation error
1523 [11:56:29] <Beeblebrox-BSD> babilen: What you are suggesting is useless to me, because there are meta-backages depending on mysql that I have installed through added apt resources. If I directly install MDB, these meta-packages get removed along with mysql.
1524 [11:56:31] <beepbopboop> Well, audio still isn't working
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1526 [11:58:14] <beepbopboop> how do I "purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist." ?
1527 [11:58:35] <fbq3523> stallmanoia: xterm -fa monospace -fs 16 &
1528 [11:58:41] <beepbopboop> That's like the last thing on this list, if I can't fix this... bah, haha
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1531 [11:59:30] <wpostma> nebg: looks like Boost is unhappy. Some overloaded templated variadic C++ bullshit is broken. I really wish C++ code had not been allowed into the kernel. Now it's got Boost::Disease
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1533 [11:59:46] <babilen> Beeblebrox-BSD: Those packages should depend on virtual-mysql-client -- which packages are that?
1534 [11:59:57] <babilen> Beeblebrox-BSD: What is the *actual* problem you are trying to solve?
1535 [12:00:25] <babilen> (or depend on mariadb or mysql client)
1536 [12:00:51] <Beeblebrox-BSD> babilen: As I said, replace mysql with MDB-10 on the system. Its not possible however, due to additional apt resources I have pulled in.
1537 [12:01:05] <themill> Beeblebrox-BSD: real output in a pastebin would help
1538 [12:01:06] <themill> dpkg: tell Beeblebrox-BSD about bat
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1541 [12:01:21] <Beeblebrox-BSD> The apt repo is Kali, so all kali meta-ports will be deleted if I just install MDB
1542 [12:01:42] <themill> Beeblebrox-BSD: well the debian packages don't have this problem and this is why we don't support things other than debian here
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1544 [12:01:54] <Beeblebrox-BSD> K.
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1547 [12:03:15] <MadHatter42> hi
1548 [12:03:33] <MadHatter42> anyone had any luck with the HP dataprotector agent in debian
1549 [12:03:37] <MadHatter42> installing it
1550 [12:03:38] <MadHatter42> ?
1551 [12:04:04] <Beeblebrox-BSD> Coming from FreeBSD, I was hoping there would be something similar on Deb, like "pkg -o old-pkg new-pkg". Thanks anyway.
1552 [12:04:22] <themill> Beeblebrox-BSD: it is in debian.
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1554 [12:04:58] <Beeblebrox-BSD> themill: where exactly please?
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1559 [12:05:40] <themill> Beeblebrox-BSD: what you were told right at the beginning. Please stick to #kali-linux as #debian has nothing to offer for things that aren't debian.
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1577 [12:14:32] <Iridos> MadHatter42, although there are ~1700 people in here it would be mayhem and more like 10-15 are active... chances for someone using a specific large-scale solution aren't too big. ask specific questions to problems you encounter showing as much of the relevant output/errors, that has a much higher chance for an answer
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1600 [12:25:04] <stallmanoia> I have 4GB RAM, should I use 32bit or 64bit Debian?
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1603 [12:26:11] <kmq> stallmanoia: if your cpu supports it and you do not have special requirements for 32bit, use 64bit
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1606 [12:29:11] <stallmanoia> thanks
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1621 [12:40:51] <kmq> hi, I'm trying to mount an encrypted btrfs raid from within the initrd for boot, but it fails to mount with:
1622 [12:40:54] <kmq> mounting /dev/mapper/sda2_crypt on /mnt failed: Invalid argument
1623 [12:41:27] <Rico> i guess you have an invalid argument
1624 [12:41:28] <Rico> :)
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1626 [12:41:44] <kmq> when I mount from within the installation liveCD everything is working fine, so I am assuming I am missing something in the initrd
1627 [12:41:51] <kmq> this is the disk layout: replaced-url
1628 [12:42:17] <kmq> Rico: I'm trying to figure out what the invalid argument is
1629 [12:42:40] <kmq> you don't happen to know some btrfs internals to give me a hint ? ;-)
1630 [12:42:46] <Rico> can't help, sorry, not a debian expert
1631 [12:43:05] <kmq> I have the btrfs kernel module loaded, and I'm not getting any output in dmesg
1632 [12:44:12] <kmq> and "btrfs device scan" doesn't help or depending on invocation shows the same error
1633 [12:44:32] <kmq> any pointers as to what else could be required would be greatly appreciated
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1636 [12:45:02] <gfcamilo> t
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1640 [12:46:05] <kmq> this is on debian jessie, btw
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1646 [12:47:07] <kmq> or maybe an idea of which argument the "invalid argument" refers to
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1648 [12:47:52] <cerealkiller> Hello guys, I have a problem. I think i fiddled with the .Xauthority file, and now I am in a login loop
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1650 [12:49:56] <jelly> cerealkiller: you're allowed to delete ~user/.Xauthority if the user is not logged in.
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1652 [12:50:11] <grawity> don't forget to look for any lockfiles with a similar name
1653 [12:50:14] <cerealkiller> jelly: Should I delete it and then reboot? it also has a backup file
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1655 [12:50:33] <grawity> yeah, nuke the backups, nuke .Xauthority-c, nuke .Xauthority-l
1656 [12:51:03] <cerealkiller> Ok I'll try it now and come back :) thanks
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1663 [12:53:16] <jelly> no need to reboot tho.
1664 [12:53:39] <grawity> does avoid some odd cases though
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1668 [12:54:31] <beepbopboop> Err... okay so I was fixing my audio drivers
1669 [12:54:52] <beepbopboop> Reading the Debian wiki, the audio may not be working because I'm using the realtek chipset, so I got those drivers
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1671 [12:55:13] <beepbopboop> but when re-booting after everything, I noticed an error in my bash_history
1672 [12:55:33] <beepbopboop> "./configure --with-cards=had-intel"
1673 [12:55:59] <beepbopboop> it's supposed to be hda-intel... would there be any errors to re-doing it like normal?
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1675 [12:57:09] <cerealkiller> Well no results so far
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1678 [12:57:52] <beepbopboop> Gah, goddammit- probably fucked my audio drivers even worse
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1698 [13:06:38] <tipo> is there a way to get the systemd shutdown in jessie to be significantly more verbose?
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1700 [13:06:58] <DammitJim> I have an application that creates log files every day
1701 [13:07:10] <DammitJim> can I use logrotate to compress them and delete them?
1702 [13:07:32] <DammitJim> does it matter what the files are called?
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1704 [13:08:50] <MadHatter42> DammitJim, just set up a normal logrotate
1705 [13:08:56] <MadHatter42> it should work fine
1706 [13:09:01] <DammitJim> neato... then I must be doing something wrong
1707 [13:09:18] <DammitJim> now, logrotate will not compress a bunch of log files into one file, right?
1708 [13:09:18] <MadHatter42> pastebin your logrotate thing
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1711 [13:09:39] <DammitJim> thanks MadHatter42, let me get it
1712 [13:09:47] <MadHatter42> afak it will create individual compressed files
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1714 [13:10:11] <DammitJim> oh ok, then I need to use a different job to do that
1715 [13:10:20] <MadHatter42> nope
1716 [13:10:25] <MadHatter42> you should just a *
1717 [13:10:27] <DammitJim> and maybe then I can have logrotate delete them after a certain amount of time
1718 [13:10:30] <MadHatter42> in your logrotate file
1719 [13:10:46] <DammitJim> MadHatter42, let me give you an example
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1721 [13:11:00] <MadHatter42> you already should have examples on the logrotate folder
1722 [13:11:57] <msl09> my fonts are not displaying right
1723 [13:11:59] <msl09> replaced-url
1724 [13:12:08] <msl09> is there a way to fix it?
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1734 [13:19:48] <DammitJim> sorry, had to talk to someone, MadHatter42
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1736 [13:20:07] <DammitJim> I was going to say examples of the files I need to package up in 1 file
1737 [13:20:15] <DammitJim> that step I think I'm going to have to script
1738 [13:20:25] <cerealkiller> Hey guys, I'm stuck in a login loop
1739 [13:20:37] <cerealkiller> I tried deleting the .Xauthority file but still nothing
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1743 [13:22:17] <MadHatter42> cerealkiller, locally or via ssh ?
1744 [13:22:26] <MadHatter42> start the daemon in debug mode
1745 [13:22:35] <MadHatter42> and also the client in debug mode
1746 [13:22:38] <MadHatter42> and check what happens
1747 [13:22:47] <MadHatter42> it should be either -V or D
1748 [13:22:52] <cerealkiller> MadHatter42: locally, I'm a newbie, could you tell me how do i do that?
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1750 [13:24:27] <MadHatter42> cerealkiller, is the machine near you ?
1751 [13:24:37] <MadHatter42> or its a host somewhere
1752 [13:24:46] <MadHatter42> "near you" as in "do you have kvm access"
1753 [13:24:48] <MadHatter42> ?
1754 [13:25:08] <cerealkiller> MadHatter42: I'm typing from it right now
1755 [13:25:10] <jelly> cerealkiller: can you create a fresh user, and see if that one can log in to a GUI session without issues?
1756 [13:25:29] <MadHatter42> cerealkiller, what do the logs say ?
1757 [13:25:40] <MadHatter42> i thought it was a server
1758 [13:26:31] <cerealkiller> How do I check? I am using the terminal on another tty in order to talk to you right now
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1760 [13:27:02] <cerealkiller> No, it's not a server it's my laptop I use daily, but I fiddled with it yesterday to install xmonad, that might have messed something up
1761 [13:27:21] <jelly> cerealkiller: create a new user, switch back to graphical login screen (typically on 7th virtual console, so Alt-F7 or Ctrl-Alt-F7), try to log in
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1764 [13:28:15] <cerealkiller> Ok i'll try
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1775 [13:36:47] <cerealkiller> jelly: I created a new user, tried to login with that one and the same loop occured
1776 [13:38:13] <jelly> cerealkiller: that's interesting. You'll have to look at their ~user/.xsession-errors and at X server log /var/log/Xorg.0.log for clues
1777 [13:38:43] <cerealkiller> jelly: Will take a look at it but probably can't paste it into a pastebin because i'm using the terminal right now
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1786 [13:43:06] <cerealkiller> jelly: Could you please take a look at this? : replaced-url
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1788 [13:43:18] <jim> this is really weird... I have a message that says syslog stopped on may 15th...
1789 [13:43:24] <cerealkiller> I'm using gnome, but as I said i was fiddling with xmonad yesterday
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1792 [13:46:37] <jelly> cerealkiller: is that the old user or the fresh user?
1793 [13:46:52] <cerealkiller> jelly: the old one
1794 [13:47:34] <jelly> cerealkiller: what about the new one?
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1796 [13:48:02] <cerealkiller> jelly: I forgot to check the log on that one
1797 [13:48:18] <jelly> !pastebinit
1798 [13:48:18] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
1799 [13:49:28] <cerealkiller> jelly: that's very interesting, can i pipe the log to pastebinit?
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1804 [13:51:17] <cerealkiller> jelly: This is awkward , i created a new user but it doesn't have a home folder, shouldn't that create automatically?
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1810 [13:53:43] <jelly> cerealkiller: yes. What did you use, adduser command or something else?
1811 [13:54:43] <jelly> if you used useradd, -m option has to be specified
1812 [13:54:52] <tipo> "somebody probably slapped a "quiet" onto the kernel command line in debian" <<<---- Trying to make systemd, more verbios, what does this mean?
1813 [13:54:56] <cerealkiller> jelly: yes, adduser, also pastebinit returns only : replaced-url
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1816 [13:55:27] <justatemp123> hey there
1817 [13:55:50] <justatemp123> is there any quick and dirty way to get the current audio sample send to the master card?
1818 [13:56:28] <justatemp123> like, ultimately i want a 0-100% value of the current true volume
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1820 [13:56:42] <justatemp123> or can you point me to a more relevant channel
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1822 [13:57:08] <cerealkiller> jelly: I'll make a new user with the -m option and try logging in with that and then i'll pastebin the output of the log
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1837 [14:01:24] <cerealkill3r> jelly, I managed to login with this new user that has a home directory created, what should i do now?
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1842 [14:02:53] <jelly> cerealkill3r: okay, so that means the cause in something in your normal user's home, and not some global setting
1843 [14:03:09] <cerealkill3r> jelly, Correct
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1846 [14:03:25] <jelly> cerealkill3r: I'd check stuff in ~/.xinit* and ~/.xsession*
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1853 [14:04:47] <cerealkill3r> jelly, you mean .xsessionrc ?
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1855 [14:05:05] <jelly> cerealkill3r: I don't remember the exact filenames
1856 [14:05:09] <cerealkill3r> Ok
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1858 [14:05:51] <cerealkill3r> jelly, As i said i'm pretty much a newbie, what should i look for? the content of them?
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1861 [14:06:32] <cerealkill3r> It shouldn't be a permission problem as i've chowned my whole home directory to my user
1862 [14:07:03] <jelly> cerealkill3r: check which ones mention the missing commands that appear in your log, and move them away (temporarily)
1863 [14:07:14] <tipo> jelly, i have a bug to report. Debian Jessie initiates the kernel with a "quiet" flag on boot. makes things not show up when they hang on startup/shutdown
1864 [14:07:34] <jelly> !reportbug
1865 [14:07:34] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, replaced-url
1866 [14:08:10] <jelly> tipo: ^^ please read that, this channel doesn't have an easier interface to report bugs.
1867 [14:08:54] <tipo> how do i properly edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg? I can't find the kernel initiating details in /etc/grub.d/* or /etc/default/grub
1868 [14:09:09] <jelly> tipo: /etc/default/grub, then run update-grub
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1872 [14:09:48] <themill> "quiet" is probably the right default though; be silent unless there is an error is, after all, the unix principle, and it's not like it is difficult to change this if you need to
1873 [14:09:50] <tipo> jelly, that file only has 5 uncommented lines
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1875 [14:10:03] <jelly> tipo: do any of them mention "quiet"?
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1877 [14:10:12] <tipo> jelly, no they do not
1878 [14:10:23] <tipo> jelly, wait, yes one does lol
1879 [14:12:16] <tipo> themill, it is glorious now. I disabled quiet. this is glorious.
1880 [14:12:33] <tipo> themill, it brings tears to my eyes
1881 [14:13:14] <Kyoshiro> I upgraded a server to jessie and now it does not bring up the eth links at boot
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1884 [14:13:33] <Kyoshiro> when I enable debug-shell and run ip link set up eth0 / eth1 network comes up
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1887 [14:13:51] <Kyoshiro> before that it's in NO_CARRIER mode
1888 [14:14:37] <Kyoshiro> (but IP is defined and routes too)
1889 [14:14:43] <jelly> tipo: I've removed that so long ago I don't have a machine where to check default settings
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1891 [14:15:03] <tipo> jelly, fair enough!
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1893 [14:15:29] <cerealkill3r> jelly, Should I check those files from my user? I can't use this one because it's not in the sudoers file
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1895 [14:16:50] <cerealkill3r> I have no idea what can cause my login loop on a specific user
1896 [14:16:51] <jelly> tipo: but have a free hint: 1) default settings don't have to be valid for every deployment 2) they CAN be changed and 3) unless you've done an exhaustive poll don't assume what's best for your enviroment is necessarily best for the whole of debian. You'll need lots of very good arguments to convince a maintainer to change a default
1897 [14:17:09] <TheQuestionmark> You know what'd be awesome? To have KDE5.x in Stable.
1898 [14:17:47] <themill> TheQuestionmark: you don't want plasma 5 from 1½ years ago.
1899 [14:18:09] <jelly> cerealkill3r: um, you should check them on the user that fails, not sure what you mean
1900 [14:18:18] <TheQuestionmark> Nah~ but I'd like to give 5.5 or 5.6 without going live or using VMs.
1901 [14:19:10] <cerealkill3r> jelly, I meant logged in with the user that fails, from the console, not from the test one ( the one i created for making sure it works and it's not a global thing)
1902 [14:19:56] <jelly> cerealkill3r: yeah, either root or the very same user.
1903 [14:20:26] <cerealkill3r> ok
1904 [14:21:40] * tipo nods at jelly and points to trusted X being forwarded by default x forwarding in ssh
1905 [14:21:55] <cerealkill3r> jelly, xsession tries to run xmonad (which is no longer installed)
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1908 [14:22:12] <jelly> cerealkill3r: tell it not to?
1909 [14:22:33] <jelly> tipo: sorry?
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1911 [14:23:01] <cerealkill3r> I'll reboot and see if that changed anything
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1915 [14:24:12] <tipo> jelly, ssh is run as -Y by default
1916 [14:24:33] <tipo> jelly, so if you enable X forwarding, you are unknowingly also enabling -Y
1917 [14:24:35] <sela> Debian name comes from the word moron?
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1919 [14:24:50] <sela> Moron in russia -DebiL
1920 [14:25:07] <sela> DEBIL
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1923 [14:26:06] <Cerealkill3r> jelly, It worked!, now there's just one little thing ,the theme is all messed up and my settings are scrambled
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1927 [14:27:57] <Cerealkill3r> jelly, Thank you very much ! :)
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1935 [14:29:52] <sela> #Ubuntu
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1948 [14:34:04] <Azrael_-> hi
1949 [14:34:17] <Lightgaming> hi how are you guys?
1950 [14:34:27] <Azrael_-> starting from what number should i be concerned regarding the load?
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1965 [14:39:34] <kmq> Azrael_-: this is good explaination replaced-url
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2015 [15:00:46] <goldkatze> Hi :-)
2016 [15:01:14] <goldkatze> Did anyone manage to get PDF preview in Dolphin fixed in current Testing?
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2018 [15:01:53] <markybob> goldkatze: wrong place. testing is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
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2024 [15:03:45] <goldkatze> Oh -- right, I'm sorry :-)
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2034 [15:06:55] <jelle> how would I define the version number for a debian git based package?
2035 [15:07:21] <jelle> such as if I wanted to to package systemd-git
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2041 [15:07:51] <jim> the commit hash is probably too long
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2062 [15:09:26] <jim> does the original tarball (one of the files in there) have some sort of version?
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2082 [15:09:53] <Iridos> jelle, the official policy on versions is here: replaced-url
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2091 [15:10:31] <jelle> Iridos: hmmmmm thanks
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2096 [15:10:49] <jelle> jim: they do have a version, but I want to add it to a repo
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2098 [15:11:03] <jelle> jim: so update nighlty for example
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2112 [15:11:55] <Iridos> jelle, wouldn't check-out-time be a reasonable version (four-digit year first, followed by a two-digit numeric month, followed by a two-digit numeric date)
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2125 [15:12:34] <Iridos> and maybe hours.minutes
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2137 [15:13:01] <jim> the changes you make and the diffs you apply, you would explain those in the change log... and include the commit hash in the change log too
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2176 [15:15:14] <jelle> Iridos: ok and I just append that with a tilde or - ? For example if the base is 2.2.0 I just add 2.2.0~date.month
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2194 [15:16:38] <Iridos> jelle, oh, I thought you have no versoion
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2199 [15:16:58] <Iridos> jelle, there's more on the format if you follow the link to 5.6.12
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2208 [15:17:36] <jim> I'd consider 2.2.0-yyyy-mm-dd or 2.2.0-yyyymmdd
2209 [15:17:39] <Iridos> but yeah, seems . + - : ~ should all work
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2265 [15:21:11] <jim> just recognize that when you change the version number. you can be influencing the dependency tree
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2282 [15:25:48] <mirazi_heket> is it possible to mount samba share with destination PC user as GID and UID?
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2289 [15:28:07] <RoyK> mirazi_heket: iirc there's a uid=,gid= thing in the options
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2291 [15:28:25] <jelly> mirazi_heket: if you read mount.cifs, there's a nounix mount option to disable unix extensions (proper unix uid and gid management), and then you can use uid= and gid= mount options as well
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2293 [15:28:36] <mirazi_heket> RoyK: already used that
2294 [15:28:36] <jelly> mount.cifs manual*
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2296 [15:28:56] <cubsfan22> hello
2297 [15:29:19] <mirazi_heket> jelly: No manual entry for mount.cifs
2298 [15:29:36] <jelly> mirazi_heket: which debian release are you using?
2299 [15:30:03] <RoyK> mirazi_heket: cifs-utils installed?
2300 [15:30:14] <cubsfan22> on my slackware kde desktop when i put mouse arrow on top of screen the entire screen moves up and vice versa for each direction how can i get my desktop stationary again the cat soon was playing on it
2301 [15:30:36] <Iridos> can I use dpkg or judd to check for itps?
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2304 [15:31:04] <jelly> cubsfan22: try asking ##linux channel or some support venue for Slackware. To get help in this channel you need to run Debian
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2306 [15:31:24] <cubsfan22> oh my mistake
2307 [15:31:29] <DammitJim> man, I'm still looking at stuff
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2309 [15:31:32] <DammitJim> for logrotate
2310 [15:31:36] <cubsfan22> this pos auto connections
2311 [15:31:40] <jelly> np
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2314 [15:31:59] <DammitJim> I have found that I can rename a log with logrotate to add the date
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2316 [15:32:11] <DammitJim> but can it be compressed after 7 days and deleted after a month?
2317 [15:32:27] <menace> Hi, can i breakup/stop an apt/apt-get update with APT::Update:: Pre-Invoke?
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2321 [15:34:11] <menace> so apt does not try to reach via http the servers?
2322 [15:34:26] <themill> Iridos: /msg judd wnpp foo
2323 [15:34:27] <jelly> DammitJim: I think you can only delaycompress for a single rotation (ie. one day if it rotates daily)
2324 [15:34:54] <DammitJim> jelly, but if I have it set to weekly?
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2327 [15:35:05] <DammitJim> will it compress everything older than 7 days?
2328 [15:35:06] <jelly> DammitJim: then sure
2329 [15:35:12] <Iridos> ah yes, thanks
2330 [15:35:25] <DammitJim> and I won't need to do a delaycompress, right?
2331 [15:35:25] <themill> np
2332 [15:35:43] <DammitJim> I'm asking 'cause I don't want to loose a week before I can see any results :)
2333 [15:35:48] <themill> Iridos: it's doing string matching against bug titles so as long as they follow the defined conventions, it will work
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2335 [15:36:04] <jelly> DammitJim: it won't compress older already existing logs, just the one whose turn it is to get compressed
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2337 [15:36:21] <DammitJim> oh?
2338 [15:36:25] <Iridos> themill, it did :)
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2343 [15:38:01] <jelly> DammitJim: assuming you have options: weekly, dateext, compress, delaycompress, and you have current log and 3 older uncompressed ones with correct names
2344 [15:38:22] <DammitJim> well, let me pastebin this
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2346 [15:38:52] <DammitJim> what do we use here? debpaste?
2347 [15:39:11] <jelly> DammitJim: next time logrotate wants to rotate, it will only compress the last -YYYYMMDD one, then rename the current one to -YYYYMMDD, then create the new one.
2348 [15:39:20] <jelly> (or the app will create it)
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2351 [15:39:52] <jelly> paste.debian.net, but really any pastebin is ok except ad-heavy pastebin.com
2352 [15:39:57] <DammitJim> replaced-url
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2356 [15:40:24] <Iridos> of course, it revealed one of those many sad stories, where someone filed an ITP (in 2011!), then lost interest... then he's removed as owner 2 years later, then there were license probems in the dependencies and some technical problems, then it was forgotten again and it was 2016
2357 [15:40:29] <Iridos> meh.
2358 [15:40:36] <mirazi_heket> debian 8.1
2359 [15:40:38] <jelly> DammitJim: you really don't want to /opt/ApmBOS/dash89_2/app/logs/admin.log.*
2360 [15:40:47] <jelly> DammitJim: use /opt/ApmBOS/dash89_2/app/logs/admin.log
2361 [15:40:48] <DammitJim> oh
2362 [15:40:57] <mirazi_heket> cifs-utils not installed since of many dependencies conflict (its heavily used server so i wont touch that)
2363 [15:41:08] <DammitJim> jelly, log4j does part of the log rotation :(
2364 [15:41:17] <DammitJim> and log4j seems to be a piece of crap from what I can tell
2365 [15:41:18] <mirazi_heket> anyway, case seems to be solved for now
2366 [15:41:24] <mirazi_heket> thanks anyway
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2368 [15:41:30] <jelly> DammitJim: then you shouldn't use logrotate at all.
2369 [15:41:39] <DammitJim> custom script?
2370 [15:41:55] <DammitJim> ok, I just ran logrotate for that configuration and it compressed everything *sigh*
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2372 [15:41:58] <DammitJim> it didn't leave a week
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2375 [15:42:17] <jelly> DammitJim: just have two cron jobs, one to find /opt/ApmBOS/dash89_2/app/logs/admin.log.????-??-?? -mtime +7 -print0 | xargs -0 gzip
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2377 [15:42:37] <DammitJim> ugh... that's what I already had
2378 [15:42:41] <jelly> DammitJim: the other to delete olds. find /opt/ApmBOS/dash89_2/app/logs/admin.log.????-??-?? -mtime +30 -delete
2379 [15:42:45] <DammitJim> I wanted to use something more built-in
2380 [15:42:51] <DammitJim> so, I guess I was doing it right before
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2383 [15:43:06] <jelly> sorry. find /opt/ApmBOS/dash89_2/app/logs/admin.log.* -mtime +30 -delete
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2385 [15:43:17] <DammitJim> I just hate that the dev did one part, but then I have to do the rest and he can't just take care of it all or I can use a built-in feature of linux
2386 [15:43:31] <DammitJim> thanks jelly!
2387 [15:43:34] <DammitJim> sorry for venting
2388 [15:43:39] <jelly> DammitJim: since log4j already does rotation, logrotate can't do its main thing
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2390 [15:44:32] <jelly> DammitJim: hey, I've seen much worse from java apps. daily rotation and sane file names is comparatively nice.
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2393 [15:44:46] <DammitJim> lol
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2395 [15:45:17] <jelly> the devs... they don't know better, and usually noone told them either
2396 [15:45:18] <Iridos> "let us rotate every 23 hours"?
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2398 [15:46:08] <jim> how can I find out if I have and/or am running grsec? also, how is it configured?
2399 [15:46:09] <jelly> Iridos: someone stole an hour from Chri^H^H^H^HEaster!
2400 [15:46:16] <jelly> Day.
2401 [15:46:37] <jelly> jim: if you didn't install it yourself, you don't
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2403 [15:47:06] <DammitJim> alright, back to my nice shell script, then
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2405 [15:47:22] <DammitJim> btw, jelly, I should just put that find script in cron, right?
2406 [15:47:35] <jim> what's a package name I could try? (I don't think I installed it, and, this installation has lasted me about 15 years or more)
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2408 [15:47:39] <jelly> DammitJim: yes. At least you can run it as the app user not root.
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2410 [15:47:57] <jelly> jim: there's only a VERY fresh one in sid.
2411 [15:48:23] <jim> no way did I install anything from sid, especially a binary
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2414 [15:48:50] <jim> I'm presently running jessie (at 8.3)
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2416 [15:49:10] <jelly> jim: then you definitely don't have grsec.
2417 [15:49:31] <jelly> uname -a usually has clues you have such a patched kernel
2418 [15:49:33] <jim> so grsec is only in sid right now?
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2420 [15:50:05] <jelly> jim: yes. Grsecurity upstream recommends everyone building their own kernel anyway.
2421 [15:50:31] <jim> my uname -a is "Linux orie 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4 (2016-02-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux"
2422 [15:50:49] <jelly> that's a standard jessie distro kernel
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2424 [15:50:58] <jim> yep\
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2427 [15:51:13] <jim> haven't built my own kernel in awhile
2428 [15:51:25] <jelly> ,v linux-image-grsec-amd64 --arch amd64
2429 [15:51:26] <judd> Package: linux-image-grsec-amd64 on amd64 -- sid: 7
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2431 [15:51:34] <jelly> lol, "7"
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2447 [15:55:32] <cavr> Hi, one packaging question. I want to build a specific driver in kernel backports. However the Makefile has no DESTDIR and the installation will create stuff at /lib/modules/<kernel name>/updates/. One solution is to use checkinstall and create a deb, but is there another way like: building a deb and setting its rules to manage a make install with no DESTDIR?
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2465 [16:02:14] <jelly> jim: there are multiple tutorial styles for rolling your own, personally I like replaced-url
2466 [16:03:42] <jelly> jim: things WILL break. parts of libqt4 make KDE4 on jessie unusable under such a kernel, for example. No modern browser with JIT VM for javascript will work, etc.
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2490 [16:13:35] <Cerealkill3r> Hey guys, quick question, doesn't debian support kde 5 yet?
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2493 [16:14:22] <ksk> Cerealkill3r: replaced-url
2494 [16:14:25] <awal1> In sid, yes
2495 [16:15:03] <Cerealkill3r> Oh I see, I wanted to change my environment and thought i should give KDE a try, what do you guys think/use?
2496 [16:15:09] <Iridos> if a quick question is only a quick question if that implies a quick answer, we cannot say more now
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2500 [16:15:42] <rysiek|pl> Cerealkill3r: you can try Tanglu
2501 [16:15:52] <rysiek|pl> Cerealkill3r: it's debian-based, and supports KDE5
2502 [16:15:54] <awal1> Cerealkill3r, almost all kde 5 stuff are in sid yet, and maybe in testing. for stable, tehy will be available for next stable release (stretch)
2503 [16:16:02] * rysiek|pl is playing with it a bit
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2505 [16:16:41] <Iridos> I don't know why people care about desktops so much... they're just the thing you fill with terminals until you cannot see the background
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2507 [16:16:47] <Darcidride> Hi, can someone help me ? Im a little afraid about a mysql dump, i want to do a mysqldump "online" and not "offline", is it possible without problem/corruption issues ?
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2509 [16:17:27] <Iridos> Darcidride, I thought that's the whole point about making a dump instead of just backing up the files
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2513 [16:18:30] <ksk> Darcidride: tables should be consistent, but if you dump more then one db and want to have a stable state of all that dbs you would have to use some magic like lvm-snapshots or stop your app.
2514 [16:18:36] <Darcidride> well i didn't know that, i was thinkind the mysqldump is the only tool to do mysql database backup =)
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2516 [16:18:41] <Darcidride> thinking*
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2518 [16:19:18] <awal1> I want to copy my hidden directories & files in my ~/ to a new directory (non hidden) excluding non hidden ones (music, documents, downloads...). How?
2519 [16:19:21] <Darcidride> ksk, ubnfortunaly, it's not my installation, and the filesystem isn't on LVM (that's weird i know)
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2521 [16:20:03] <awal1> I know how to do a backup but not how to exclude non hidden durring the process. looking for a nice command
2522 [16:20:07] <Iridos> right... I guess if you have dependencies between multiple databases/tables, that can be out of sync, because of course it takes time
2523 [16:20:08] <ksk> the dumps will "work" anyay, its just like db1 ist from lets say 16:20 and db2 ist from 16:25 and so on - so there is not a real consistent state for "all dbs" - if thats no issue for you just go ahead and use basic mysqldump
2524 [16:20:09] <g00se> I'm connecting with Chrome via Tor. Is it normal that the network config is grayed out? I want to check that it IS using the proxy
2525 [16:20:27] <Iridos> but actual corruption as in half-written entries, I cannot imagine
2526 [16:21:09] <ksk> g00se: iirc chrome uses the "desktops" network settings nowadays - but I dont really know what it does if your running linux ( never had a linux desktop..)
2527 [16:21:18] <Iridos> awal1, why do you want to do that?
2528 [16:21:36] <awal1> Iridos, my mom asked me for that :D
2529 [16:21:42] <SerajewelKS> is there a upnp server in debian that can manipulate ip6tables in addition to iptables?
2530 [16:21:43] <Iridos> errr...
2531 [16:21:57] <Iridos> awal1, that doesn't make sense!
2532 [16:22:02] <SerajewelKS> my policy is to only allow internet ingress traffic to be forwarded for established connections
2533 [16:22:04] <ksk> awal1: you can alter bash globbing feature - probably in a way to only glob for hidden files - go ask #bash :)
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2535 [16:22:09] <awal1> man, I have a lot of stuff configured, so I wont repeat the process next time I install/reinstal debian
2536 [16:22:18] <Darcidride> Ok, thank you for your answers
2537 [16:22:22] <SerajewelKS> but i'd like to allow upnp clients to open up holes in the ipv6 firewall in addition to the ipv4 one
2538 [16:22:39] <SerajewelKS> currently i'm using linux-igd which seems to lack ipv6 support
2539 [16:22:41] <Iridos> awal1, what's the point of having non-hidden copies in a sub-directory
2540 [16:22:42] <g00se> chrom --proxy-server=socks://localhost:9050 --incognito replaced-url
2541 [16:23:24] <Iridos> awal1, it's easy enough to do, but I don't see any scenario in which that would make sense
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2545 [16:25:04] <zykotick9> g00se: i'd _guess_ using chrome over tor wouldn't be something the tor-people would recommend... a browser that tracks you, on tor a network attempting to anonymize you... ymmv
2546 [16:25:09] <awal1> Iridos, I run some WM's and many cli packages well configured at my way. ofcourse I can just copy the config files, but I thought it may be interesting know how to copy them via cli and exlude others non hidden
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2548 [16:25:46] <Iridos> awal1, didn't you also want to remove the leading dot from them?
2549 [16:25:48] <awal1> ksk, ok, I'll investigate that
2550 [16:26:21] <awal1> Iridos, what you mean by that?
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2552 [16:26:35] <awal1> you mean remove the dot before/after copying?
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2554 [16:26:47] <Iridos> awal1, just copying them to a sub-directory is trivial: mkdir dotfiles; cp -a .[^.]* dotfiles;
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2558 [16:27:15] <Iridos> awal1, I thought you wanted in effect something like cp .weechat dotfiles/weechat
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2560 [16:28:18] <g00se> zykotick9: You're probably right. In this case, it's just for a bit of extra transport security
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2562 [16:28:58] <cavr> While building a deb package, what can one do if the Makefile has no DESTDIR support?
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2564 [16:29:34] <awal1> Iridos, can you be more explicit about ".[^.]* dotfiles" what means, i meant
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2566 [16:29:49] <awal1> .[^.]* dotfiles
2567 [16:30:01] <cavr> is there a fake environment like fakeroot where one can do a make install without writing in the system?
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2569 [16:30:03] <Iridos> awal1, dotfiles is the directory you copy to, that's why there is a mkdir before that
2570 [16:30:07] <awal1> .[^.]* almost
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2572 [16:30:31] <awal1> yeah, I understand that , but .[^.]* ?
2573 [16:30:42] <Iridos> that's globbing :)
2574 [16:30:47] <awal1> heheh
2575 [16:31:12] <awal1> ok. I'll try all that in my VT
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2577 [16:31:21] <awal1> VM ^
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2580 [16:31:46] <hypermist> that moment no apt-* commands work
2581 [16:31:52] <hypermist> yet you have deb replaced-url
2582 [16:31:52] <hypermist> deb replaced-url
2583 [16:31:52] <hypermist> ~
2584 [16:31:52] <hypermist> ~
2585 [16:31:52] <hypermist> in your .list
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2589 [16:32:01] <hypermist> whoops
2590 [16:32:07] <hypermist> didn't know that was gunna double line
2591 [16:32:30] <tydel> that moment no apt-* commands work and you realize you're on a CentOS box
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2593 [16:32:58] <Iridos> awal1, man bash, then enter (that searches for "Pattern matching" at the beginning of the line): /^ *Pattern Matching
2594 [16:33:10] <hypermist> tydel, its debian
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2596 [16:33:21] <hypermist> but none of my apt-get commands work they say not a command or package not found
2597 [16:33:30] <hypermist> yet my sources are in the sources.list files
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2599 [16:33:40] <Iridos> awal1, you should already know *, [] is explained there, als what [^...] means
2600 [16:34:36] <Iridos> awal1, in short: this would be .* (., then any characters), but that would match .. which you don't want
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2604 [16:35:06] <awal1> Iridos, ok, ok. I'll lokk at that closely. thanks
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2606 [16:35:41] <tydel> hypermist: check your path? type: which apt-get
2607 [16:35:58] <awal1> every time I check man bash or man xterm I have a headache. so too extensive the man and I'm just lost :D
2608 [16:36:00] <hypermist> ./usr/bin/apt-get
2609 [16:36:37] <tydel> what does it actually say when you run it?
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2612 [16:37:16] <hypermist> it gives the output of the command uses tydel
2613 [16:37:52] <tydel> yet you say: "they say not a command or package not found"
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2620 [16:39:48] <hypermist> tydel, yea because apt-update doesnt work nor does installing a package with it
2621 [16:40:01] <hypermist> going apt-get install node goes package not found for npm nano all
2622 [16:40:01] <hypermist> xD
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2625 [16:40:31] <jelly> ,v node
2626 [16:40:32] <judd> Package: node on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.3.2-7.1; jessie: 0.3.2-7.4; wheezy: 0.3.2-7.4
2627 [16:40:58] <hypermist> well im using debian 7 x86_64
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2629 [16:41:00] <hypermist> so
2630 [16:41:04] <jelly> hypermist: pastebin the output of "apt-get update; apt-get install node"
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2632 [16:41:12] <jelly> ,v node --arch amd64
2633 [16:41:13] <judd> Package: node on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.3.2-7.1; jessie: 0.3.2-7.4; wheezy: 0.3.2-7.4
2634 [16:41:17] <jelly> same thing
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2636 [16:41:30] <hypermist> hah im a derp for the apt-get update
2637 [16:41:40] <hypermist> i was doing that command wrong first of all
2638 [16:41:40] <hypermist> :D
2639 [16:41:57] <jmcnaught> hypermist: do you want node the ham radio software, or node.js? read the package descriptions first
2640 [16:42:02] <hypermist> well it works now that i did the right commands jmcnaught >_.
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2642 [16:42:18] <hypermist> im a derp sometimes
2643 [16:42:19] <jelly> jmcnaught: he mentioned npm so...
2644 [16:42:54] <jelly> "node" is probably the wrong thing to install :-)
2645 [16:43:05] <hypermist> i needed node and npm :p
2646 [16:43:09] <jelly> hypermist: apt-cache show node
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2648 [16:43:19] <jmcnaught> jelly: that's why i asked
2649 [16:43:21] <hypermist> its alright now jelly its fixed
2650 [16:43:25] <hypermist> Im a derp i mucked up commands..
2651 [16:43:26] <jelly> hypermist: look carefully at the description
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2654 [16:44:45] <jelly> ,v nodejs
2655 [16:44:46] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; stretch: 4.3.1~dfsg-3; sid: 4.4.0~dfsg-1; experimental: 5.8.0~dfsg-1
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2659 [16:47:16] <jelly> hypermist: then look at the description of the package named like ^^
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2662 [16:47:56] <hypermist> jelly, nah its the fact that i was typing apt-update
2663 [16:47:59] <hypermist> and not apt-get UPDATE
2664 [16:48:00] <hypermist> >->
2665 [16:48:06] <hypermist> meaning it didn't get to pull package info
2666 [16:48:10] <hypermist> then i could use apt-get install npm xD
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2670 [16:49:37] <jmcnaught> hypermist: i guess if you install npm it will pull in nodejs. the point trying to be made above is that the package "node" in Debian is amateur radio software.
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2673 [16:50:46] <jelly> ,v npm --arch amd64
2674 [16:50:47] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- stretch: 1.4.21+ds-2; jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
2675 [16:51:02] <jelly> it's not going to pull anything from Debian for wheezy anyway
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2677 [16:51:15] <g00se> \quit
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2688 [16:52:43] <kion> how can you change your OS from stable to test?
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2697 [16:54:31] <somiaj> kion: why do you want to do that? If you have to ask the answer should be you probabaly dont' want to run testing.
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2707 [16:56:24] <sypher> kion: You don't want to run testing. Period. There is almost never a good reason to do so.
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2709 [16:56:35] <sypher> kion: What problem are you running into that's making you consider it?
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2711 [16:57:45] <somiaj> there are good reasons to run testing, such as you want to test debian and submit good bug reports when bugs are found. Though it is usually required you understand how debian works before you go and run testing
2712 [16:58:25] <kion> somiaj, sypher, Not really considering, just wanted to learn how the package manager works.....
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2715 [16:59:39] <kion> sypher, I have stable with some programs backported so I am actually in love with my system the way it is... it is just that I have seen people saying they run testing and so forth, and wanted to learn how to make the change
2716 [16:59:54] <sypher> kion: Do it in a VM. :)
2717 [16:59:55] <kion> sypher, but I am not going to do it, at least on my production computer
2718 [17:00:02] <sypher> kion: Ah, okay. Fair enough.
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2720 [17:00:57] <somiaj> kion: testing doesn't run that differently than stable, you just need to change your sources.list to point to stretch and not jessie.
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2723 [17:01:35] <somiaj> kion: the hard part is ensuring the upgrading of the packages goes smoothly and until the freeze and release notes there isn't much documentation on what sort of known issues one should be aware of.
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2725 [17:01:42] <jmcnaught> kion: reading the upgrade instructions in the jessie release notes gives a pretty good idea of what's involved with upgrading to a new major release if you want a detailed overview (some details will be specific to the wheezy->jessie upgrade though)
2726 [17:01:47] <somiaj> kion: so the more packages you have installed, the more likely you are to experience an upgrade bug.
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2728 [17:02:05] <kion> somiaj, Got It ! thanks that is what I suspected but wanted to learn
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2730 [17:02:56] <kion> jmcnaught, where can I read those upgrade instructions or release notes?
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2738 [17:04:10] <Ulrar> Hi, there is no way to get ssh on the rescue mode of the CD ?
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2740 [17:04:22] <jelly> !jessie release notes
2741 [17:04:22] <dpkg> Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at replaced-url
2742 [17:04:33] <jelly> kion: ^^
2743 [17:04:38] <Ulrar> I recreated the partitions and now I need to import the backup from the backup server, but doesn't look like there is an ssh daemon on the rescue CD
2744 [17:04:39] <kion> thanks guys!
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2747 [17:05:33] <jelly> Ulrar: if you're using the live cd image, you can install openssh-server if it's not there already
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2749 [17:06:23] <Ulrar> Doesn't look like there is apt-get
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2752 [17:06:39] <Ulrar> There is apt-install, don't know what that is, but it doesn't output much
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2754 [17:06:49] <jelly> hum, which image did you boot?
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2762 [17:08:08] <Ulrar> jessie netinst
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2765 [17:08:15] <Ulrar> the x86_64 version
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2767 [17:08:35] <jelly> Ulrar: also what kind of hardware do you have? I like grml.org live cd for recovery purposes, but 2014.03 version boots more reliably than the latest
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2770 [17:09:00] <Ulrar> jelly: A proxmox VM :)
2771 [17:09:06] <Ulrar> so KVM
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2774 [17:09:28] <jelly> netinst doesn't really have a useful environment for anything else than installing, or mounting an existing system to fix it
2775 [17:09:28] <Ulrar> Yeah, guess I'll download another recovery, but I was surprised the debian
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2779 [17:09:38] <jelly> it's the installer image.
2780 [17:09:48] <Ulrar> Having SSH in rescue mode wouldn't feel out of place, I think
2781 [17:09:51] <jelly> debian also has a separate live image.
2782 [17:10:03] <Ulrar> Yeah, I'll use system rescue I guess
2783 [17:10:07] <jelly> right
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2791 [17:14:31] <SerajewelKS> i have a bridge containing eth3 and a tun (VPN) interface. for some reason, my ip6tables rule '-A INPUT -i br0 -j ACCEPT' is NOT matching incoming traffic on the tun interface, but it IS matching incoming traffic on the eth3 interface
2792 [17:14:32] <Ghostbird> s/spamd-debian/debian-spamd/
2793 [17:14:38] <SerajewelKS> i see log messages that input from the tun interface is denied
2794 [17:14:45] <SerajewelKS> why wouldn't it be coming "in" on br0?
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2796 [17:14:59] <SerajewelKS> note that iptables doesn't show this behavior for traffic coming in over the tun interface, only ip6tables
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2798 [17:16:02] <SerajewelKS> oh hmm, the tun interface has a link-local address
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2800 [17:16:16] <SerajewelKS> is that normal behavior for an interface that is part of a bridge?
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2807 [17:17:17] <kion> SerajewelKS, when you put the -A on your rule, it appends it at the end of your rules, maybe there is another rule appearing first that may be denying the access to those packets
2808 [17:17:26] <SerajewelKS> kion: there is not
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2810 [17:17:58] <SerajewelKS> the first two rules are -i lo -j ACCEPT and -i br0 -j ACCEPT
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2812 [17:18:09] <SerajewelKS> it seems the problem is that the tun interface has acquired its own link-local address !?
2813 [17:18:13] <SerajewelKS> even though it's part of a bridge
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2816 [17:18:43] <module000> SerajewelKS: openvpn TUN interface?
2817 [17:18:49] <SerajewelKS> module000: tinc
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2819 [17:19:02] <SerajewelKS> the physical interface in the bridge (eth3) doesn't have a link-local address
2820 [17:19:13] <module000> SerajewelKS: set your FD on the bridge to 0, down/up the member interfaces, and try again
2821 [17:19:27] <module000> if ip6tables gives you anymore inconsistency, dump ipv6 from all 3 interfaces(eth/tun/br) and try again
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2827 [17:20:13] <module000> SerajewelKS: it's possible the program creating your TUN interface is assigning the address before enslaving it to the bridge as well
2828 [17:20:17] <SerajewelKS> module000: # brctl setfd br0 0 --> set forward delay failed: Numerical result out of range
2829 [17:20:21] <kion> SerajewelKS, If there are no other interfaces, maybe you can refer to it as "not eth0 and not lo" to have the match you are looking for, this is not elegant solution but might work
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2831 [17:20:43] <module000> SerajewelKS: that's odd, you could tell it 1, but 0 is valid
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2833 [17:20:56] <SerajewelKS> module000: 1 fails with the same message
2834 [17:21:09] <SerajewelKS> 2 is the lowest value i can use, apparently
2835 [17:21:15] <module000> SerajewelKS: something else is wrong, that's very unusual
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2837 [17:21:37] <SerajewelKS> module000: stock debian kernel 3.16.0-4-686 :/
2838 [17:21:47] <module000> SerajewelKS: try setting the FD with the bridge interface down. worst case...unjoin the interfaces from the bridge, kill the bridge, create the bridge, set the FD, enslave the interfaces
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2841 [17:22:26] <SerajewelKS> module000: FWIW i get the same message when using "bridge_fd 0" in interfaces, which (IIRC) should be set before enslaving interfaces?
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2843 [17:22:49] <module000> SerajewelKS: i've always set them before i add interfaces, but i'm unsure if that is required or not
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2852 [17:25:51] <SerajewelKS> module000: tried it with all interfaces removed and the bridge down, setfd 0 still fails
2853 [17:26:25] <module000> SerajewelKS: i'm running out of ideas, my only completely unknown is with tinc(i've never used it), but it seems sane enough from reading, nothing jumps out that could be causing this
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2859 [17:27:50] <SerajewelKS> module000: apparently setfd 0 works if i delbr;addbr first
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2862 [17:28:08] <SerajewelKS> anyway i'm not sure how the fd explains the enslaved interface having a separate link-local ipv6 address
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2865 [17:28:28] <module000> SerajewelKS: that part is strange, it shouldn't automatically get an address unless you do that deliberately in your conf
2866 [17:28:53] <module000> SerajewelKS: from tinc docs... there is an option "Forwarding = kernel", you have that option? that's the only one i can find that would screw this up...it would bypass the bridge
2867 [17:28:54] <SerajewelKS> module000: i mean br0 gets a link-local address even though i never assign it one
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2870 [17:29:34] <SerajewelKS> module000: my up script for the tinc interface is "brctl addif br0 $INTERFACE && ip link set dev $INTERFACE up"
2871 [17:29:39] <module000> SerajewelKS: if the link-local address is causing a problem, you could also try just removing it and seeing if there is any change. ie `ip addr del foo.bar.baz/fum dev br0`
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2879 [17:30:53] <module000> SerajewelKS: this is the "Forwarding" option from the tinc docs I saw that stood out. Not sure if you have this enabled or not, but the description makes it sound dubious
2880 [17:30:56] <module000> SerajewelKS: replaced-url
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2883 [17:31:22] <SerajewelKS> module000: when i remove the link-local address, the input denial log messages do go away
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2886 [17:31:35] <module000> SerajewelKS: well that's a good sign :) at least a change is effected
2887 [17:31:42] <SerajewelKS> interestingly, the source address that is being logged is the link-local address on that interface
2888 [17:31:57] <SerajewelKS> so the kernel is rejecting a broadcast packet that it sent to itself?
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2890 [17:32:02] * SerajewelKS scratches his head
2891 [17:32:11] <module000> it's definitely not the norm that i was expecting
2892 [17:32:18] <SerajewelKS> OTOH we do need '-A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT'
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2894 [17:32:26] <SerajewelKS> so i guess that's consistent at least
2895 [17:32:36] <SerajewelKS> still i didn't think that a machine would receive its own broadcasts
2896 [17:32:39] <cavr> While building a deb package, what can one do if the Makefile has no DESTDIR support? Is there a fake environment like fakeroot where one can do a make install without overwriting system files? (changing the Makefile in this case is no solution, too complex)
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2898 [17:32:53] <jmcnaught> For something installed to /usr/local, should I configure logs to go in /var/local/log or would /var/log/local be a better place?
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2904 [17:33:41] <SerajewelKS> module000: i don't specify the forwarding option in tinc.conf, so i guess the default of internal is used
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2907 [17:34:03] <SerajewelKS> i wonder if this is a quirk of tun/tap, that a tun interface magically gets a link-local address when it is created
2908 [17:34:04] <module000> SerajewelKS: ok, was a shot in the dark
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2912 [17:34:17] <SerajewelKS> i mean physical interfaces do, right?
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2914 [17:34:31] <SerajewelKS> it seems the difference is that when you add a physical interface to a bridge, the link-local address is removed automatically?
2915 [17:34:38] <module000> SerajewelKS: yea they do, i was just looking at my tun interfaces to be sure - no link local addy's
2916 [17:34:51] <module000> i have some that are bridged, some that aren't also
2917 [17:34:54] <SerajewelKS> is there a userland utility to create/delete tun interfaces?
2918 [17:34:59] <SerajewelKS> so i can test?
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2921 [17:35:29] <module000> sure, it's `tunctl`
2922 [17:35:57] <SerajewelKS> guess i need to install it
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2925 [17:37:15] <AvatarA> "ip tunnel"?
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2927 [17:37:33] <TomTomTosch> jmcnaught, i put all my logs in /var/log/ i think i would forget if i put them somewhere else x)
2928 [17:37:37] <SerajewelKS> module000: maybe i'm obtuse, but i can't see how to create tun devices with tunctl, only tap
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2930 [17:38:02] <grawity> ip tuntal add dev foo mode tun
2931 [17:38:04] <grawity> ip tuntap*
2932 [17:38:18] <SerajewelKS> grawity: neat. thanks.
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2935 [17:38:57] <SerajewelKS> yeah it doesn't have a link-local address
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2937 [17:38:59] <SerajewelKS> tinc must be adding it
2938 [17:39:18] <grawity> it does when you bring it up
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2940 [17:39:22] <julius> if xv video output isnt working, is "mesa" a candidate to update? looks more like its for 3d
2941 [17:39:34] <jmcnaught> TomTomTosch: thanks. i'm just trying to make sure my local logs don't conflict with logs from packages
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2943 [17:39:50] <julius> jmcnaught, put them in a different dir...
2944 [17:39:58] <SerajewelKS> grawity: shouldn't adding the interface to a bridge then remove the link-local address?
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2946 [17:40:41] <jelly> julius: it depends. can you get opengl output working instead?
2947 [17:40:49] <jelly> julius: which video app?
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2949 [17:41:05] <jmcnaught> julius: i think i'm going to put them in /var/local/log because this seems consistent with /usr vs /usr/local to me
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2951 [17:41:14] <julius> mplayer on a i5-6200u (skylake)
2952 [17:41:23] <jelly> julius: jessie?
2953 [17:41:28] <julius> jmcnaught, sure...~ is a optin too
2954 [17:41:30] <julius> yes
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2956 [17:41:31] <julius> 8.3
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2960 [17:41:54] <jelly> julius: you probably need everything from jessie-backports, the kernel, mesa, and video-intel
2961 [17:42:05] <julius> i got the rest, mesa too?
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2963 [17:42:17] <jelly> by "mesa" I mean libgl1-mesa-dri
2964 [17:42:26] <julius> yes, there are many packages...pk
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2966 [17:43:08] <SerajewelKS> module000 / grawity: interesting, i put some logging lines in my up script. first i "brctl addif" then i bring the interface up. it acquires a link-local address immediately after being brought up.
2967 [17:43:13] <jelly> julius: but definitely make sure you have the right xserver-xorg-video-intel
2968 [17:43:17] <jelly> ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel
2969 [17:43:18] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917+git20160307-2; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20160307-2
2970 [17:43:20] <SerajewelKS> even though it is in a bridge
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2972 [17:43:39] <TomTomTosch> jmcnaught, i don't think it would conflict. but making sure doesn't hurt i guess.
2973 [17:43:49] <julius> yes, its the newest jelly
2974 [17:43:50] <SerajewelKS> if i reverse the order of those statements (bring it up and then put it in the bridge) it still retains its link-local address
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2976 [17:44:05] <SerajewelKS> i'm very confused why this same issue doesn't occur with my physical interface also in the bridge
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2978 [17:44:33] <SerajewelKS> i can fix it by adding "ip addr flush dev $INTERFACE" at the end of my up script. i'm just confused why this is necessary in the first place.
2979 [17:44:35] <cisc0> hello :)
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2984 [17:46:22] <jmcnaught> TomTomTosch: this is me installing redmine from source because the packaged version isn't compatible with a plugin i need to use, however i'm having second thoughts about installing stuff from bundler after reading about the left-pad npm crap happening right now. anyways thanks for the feedback :)
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2994 [17:49:57] <Iridos> +
2995 [17:50:00] <Iridos> +
2996 [17:50:04] <Iridos> wtf
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3000 [17:52:19] <julius> jelly, now mplayer fullscreen does not put the video in fullscreen (which it didnt before either) but the space between the video playing and the rest of the screen is blue ;)
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3004 [17:53:49] <jelly> julius: use mpv, mplayer is rather outdated and buggy
3005 [17:54:21] <julius> ok
3006 [17:54:31] <jelly> there're some syntax changes but not too many
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3009 [17:55:02] <jelly> "please don't use -ss, we think --start is so much nicer"
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3019 [17:56:48] <jonathan_x> If you are copying to a host that is CPU limited, and SCP is doing 7 MB/s because of that, and rsync is doing about 14 MB/s because of that, what would you recommend? The network can handle at least 22MB/s.
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3026 [17:57:58] <jonathan_x> Actually the transfer goes up to 60MB/s to a Windows host from that same limited server.
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3032 [17:59:38] <jonathan_x> I tested nc (netcat) but it appears as though it also did about 14MB/s and it was pretty hard to use without some superior script.
3033 [17:59:42] <epsilon> is encryption of the transfer required?
3034 [17:59:46] <jonathan_x> no
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3036 [18:00:28] <epsilon> then pick any file transfer ethod... FTP, rsync, Samba, NFS etc
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3038 [18:00:35] <theseb> Help! How make a program start after log in WITHOUT a gui desktop or X
3039 [18:00:38] <theseb> Windows....I have a little text based linux box and I've tried adding
3040 [18:00:42] <theseb> "cat /etc/fstab" to $HOME/.zprofile, $HOME/.zprofile and $HOME/.zshrc but when I
3041 [18:00:44] <theseb> log into to terminal I STILL don't see the /etc/fstab contents barfs to the
3042 [18:00:47] <theseb> screen. WHY?
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3044 [18:01:48] <epsilon> is your default shell zsh?
3045 [18:01:57] <grawity> maybe you are using bash
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3047 [18:02:13] <theseb> grawity: hmmm...
3048 [18:02:16] <epsilon> if bash, try that with .bashrc (default of debian)
3049 [18:02:22] <grawity> .bash_profile rather
3050 [18:02:30] <epsilon> ack
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3054 [18:03:06] <theseb> oh crap...you're right....I did env and it says SHELL=/bin/bash
3055 [18:03:12] <epsilon> but good question, what's the fastest way to determinate current shell?
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3057 [18:03:13] <theseb> let me try what you said...
3058 [18:03:15] <grawity> ps $$
3059 [18:03:39] <epsilon> wow
3060 [18:03:52] <epsilon> that was fast answer...
3061 [18:04:00] <grawity> you asked for fast
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3063 [18:04:23] <theseb> epsilon, grawity: you guys are brilliant.....it worked! thanks!
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3067 [18:07:32] <epsilon> grawity: google doesn't help, what's $$ stands for?
3068 [18:07:50] <grawity> shell variable for the shell's own PID
3069 [18:07:56] <grawity> `man bash`
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3073 [18:10:53] <jonathan_x> epsilon: ftp now does about 27 MB/s write to the server but I now notice that the Windows host (samba) also writes at about 30 MB/s so that should be the same. Apparently writing to it is slower than reading.
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3076 [18:11:18] <epsilon> and encryption is slowing down probably
3077 [18:11:54] <jonathan_x> epsilon: so I now have 7 MB/s scp, 14 MB/s rsync without ssh, actually rsync wasn't doing encryption
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3081 [18:12:24] <jonathan_x> encryption would definitely slow it down.
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3084 [18:12:45] <epsilon> if the write/read speed differs, it's probably spindle disk, and also high level RAID such as 5 or 6 may also slow down at write
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3087 [18:13:55] <laidback_01> wait, wait, rsync totally depends on SSH. you can't use rsync without inherently using SSH, can you?
3088 [18:14:00] <laidback_01> ... going to google that.
3089 [18:14:07] <grawity> of course you can use rsync without ssh
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3091 [18:14:13] <jonathan_x> you have to use rsync:// as the protocol prefix.
3092 [18:14:28] <jonathan_x> otherwise it will default to SSH ( and I get errors on this thing ).
3093 [18:14:43] <epsilon> uhm... no AFAIK?
3094 [18:14:58] <grawity> a) you can have it talk to a remote rsync over e.g. oldschool rsh, b) it has a dedicated daemon mode for anonymous rsync over raw tcp
3095 [18:14:59] <laidback_01> oh, right you can change the remote shell
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3097 [18:15:02] <laidback_01> with -- rsh
3098 [18:15:19] <grawity> I'm guessing jonathan_x meant direct TCP
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3102 [18:15:57] <laidback_01> if you are worried if it's drive speed or not, try using a ram drive.
3103 [18:16:12] <jonathan_x> I use just rsync -aPh file rsync://user@host:share/ and on the remote host there is no ssh daemon visible in top, only rsyncd.
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3105 [18:16:33] <epsilon> I know of using ssh/rsync: rsync ... -e 'ssh <options>' <remote path> <local path>
3106 [18:16:35] <laidback_01> if you share out your ram drive (freeware for windows and it's easy to do in linux), then you can determine if it's cpu/protocol bound or if it's drive IO that's at the heart of the issue.
3107 [18:17:12] <laidback_01> jonathan_x, that method is using ssh as the remote shell by default
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3109 [18:18:30] <jonathan_x> doesn't have enough ram for that, but it doesn't matter, 30 MB/s writes is enough, ftp also does 53 MB/s reads so it is a slight bit slower than samba, but almost the same.
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3113 [18:18:50] <jonathan_x> laidback_01: if you say so, I just think it directly connects to rsync daemon, but maybe you are right.
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3116 [18:20:16] <laidback_01> jonathan_x, well, I certainly hope it does, been using rsync/scp for a while now with default settings. if those aren't using ssh by default, wow will I be embarrassed
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3119 [18:21:32] <jonathan_x> If you use rsync:// it will connect to a daemon directly without using a remote shell (port 873) and the paths on the remote server in this case turn into module names.
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3130 [18:24:05] <jonathan_x> My nas has it configured by default that the shares are all the same for all access methods, so whether you use rsync://, or ftp, or samba, you get the same shares visible (modules).
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3135 [18:24:47] <jonathan_x> using scp however you have access to the full path and not just the modules, so what is /backup in rsync://, is /store/backup for scp, for instance (because that is the full path to it)
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3144 [18:26:19] <jonathan_x> I couldn't or can't get it working with SSH though (over rsync) so I've always had to open a VPN to that thing before I could rsync to it because the rsync port is not exposed (but ssh was at port 80).
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3149 [18:27:20] <TheReverend403> Hey, does anyone know how to actually, completely disable systemd-modules-load.service
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3152 [18:27:54] <TheReverend403> It's a bit useless on a static kernel
3153 [18:28:29] <jonathan_x> even now whatever I do I get "sending incremental file list / ERROR: module is read only" when I use without the rsync:// prefix.
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3162 [18:30:19] <laidback_01> jonathan_x, well, all I can do is look at it with tcpdump, and I can't tell one bit of difference between using ssh and rsync. as far as how it looks in the tcpdump that is.
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3164 [18:30:43] <laidback_01> granted, I'm *not* using an intentional daemon, but I think you don't need to to get away from ssh.
3165 [18:30:54] <laidback_01> going to try and sort out how to do this without ssh crypto
3166 [18:31:52] <laidback_01> Oh... difference is in the amount of 'colons' used
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3168 [18:32:00] <laidback_01> using two :: indicates using a daemon
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3170 [18:32:06] <laidback_01> using one : indicates using remote shell
3171 [18:32:19] <laidback_01> okay, I've been uing the remote shell method forever.
3172 [18:32:26] <jonathan_x> grawity said you can use rsh
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3174 [18:32:53] <jonathan_x> but it's either that or the daemon, if you use a shell it fill fire up the program, not the daemon.
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3176 [18:33:02] <jonathan_x> will*
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3178 [18:33:05] <laidback_01> yeah, you can spec like rsync -avz --rsh=rsh source/ user@server:source/
3179 [18:33:19] <jelly> noone uses rsh any more
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3182 [18:34:04] <jonathan_x> you could if you had troubles with ssh and there was no daemon available, so that's a no go.
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3184 [18:34:15] <laidback_01> no, I know. I use rsync as such: rsync -avzpog yEd/ jax@server:~/test/ and it's using ssh as the shell. so that's how I've always been using it, and it's reasonably safe.
3185 [18:34:46] <jonathan_x> yeah that's no problem, it just doesn't work for me with this thing. Besides, it would use encryption and throw down the transfer speed too.
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3188 [18:35:02] <laidback_01> apparently, if I setup a server on the remote host I can use it with two :: and I'd be talking to the daemon directly.
3189 [18:35:03] <jelly> you need plaintext, create an /etc/rsyncd.conf and a secrets file and bring the service up
3190 [18:35:06] <laidback_01> never have wanted a server.
3191 [18:35:32] <laidback_01> never have wanted an *rsync* server
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3195 [18:36:02] <jonathan_x> Like I said, I already have that, but you may not be able to determine that about the server if it's not your server, etc. etc.
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3197 [18:36:51] <laidback_01> yeah, sorry. I just became concerned - based on things you were saying - that I was using non-encrypted connections all the while believing that I was. so had to validate through testing.
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3204 [18:38:16] <jonathan_x> I meant jelly. But in any case, nice for you to find out then, I was able to test that there is no problem in my wiring now as well.
3205 [18:38:47] <jonathan_x> I had a wall socket and some of those say that they only support 100mbit and not 1 gigabit, but I still get 60MB/s down so that's good.
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3207 [18:41:34] <jonathan_x> but even between two fast systems scp is limited to 15MB/s, well in any case thanks for the help.
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3210 [18:41:54] <grawity> what about sftp, then
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3214 [18:43:13] <jonathan_x> 6 mb/s download from the slow server to the debian box.
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3217 [18:44:48] <jonathan_x> so that's like 10x slower than ftp ;-) :).
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3229 [18:48:25] <Walakea> should i install debian jessie with btrfs?
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3232 [18:48:56] <cisc0> Walakea: with GNU/Linux impossible is nothing :D
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3234 [18:49:27] <jelly> Walakea: if you have to ask, the answer is probably "no"
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3245 [18:53:08] <Walakea> will i be able to restore partition image on a partition which will host the running OS?
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3249 [18:53:38] <teraflops> jonathan_x: if you find sftp/ssh slow there are a set of hi perf patches for ssh here: replaced-url
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3251 [18:54:15] <Urchin> Walakea: no
3252 [18:54:26] <lordarkmemo> there is a better alternative that ssh forwarding to bypass firewall?
3253 [18:54:26] <Urchin> wait, wrong question
3254 [18:54:48] <teraflops> jonathan_x: I do it on debian servers, via apt-get the source package and some quilt magic
3255 [18:54:57] <lordarkmemo> right now im bypassing my company firewall using ssh -D
3256 [18:55:27] <lordarkmemo> but i dont know if is the best way
3257 [18:55:33] <jonathan_x> lordarkmemo: you mean tunnelling right.
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3259 [18:55:42] <Walakea> so how does windows do it?
3260 [18:55:48] <lordarkmemo> yes
3261 [18:56:04] <teraflops> lordarkmemo: use openvpn?
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3263 [18:56:35] <lordarkmemo> not yet.
3264 [18:56:44] <jonathan_x> lordarkmemo: I myself have had to tunnel ssh over port 80, and forward 1194 so that I could get VPN, after that no more issues (in that sense).
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3267 [18:57:17] <jonathan_x> teraflops: thanks, I was strangely already aware of that (was reading a web page that referenced it).
3268 [18:57:18] <teraflops> you can do e.g openvpn over udp port 53
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3270 [18:57:46] <jonathan_x> that's dns right
3271 [18:58:13] <teraflops> jonathan_x: i can share my experience on using that set of patches: it just fucking fly :P
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3273 [18:58:24] <jonathan_x> :)
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3275 [18:58:59] <jonathan_x> teraflops: but that means you need it on both systems right. The NAS is an arm thing with a rather difficulty in doing anything ;-).
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3277 [18:59:07] <teraflops> jonathan_x: yeah
3278 [18:59:13] <lordarkmemo> jonathan im confuse with vpn. I dont get the same that ssh?
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3280 [18:59:38] <jonathan_x> lordarkmemo: if you can use VPN directly on port 53 as suggested (that may be open to you)
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3282 [18:59:46] <teraflops> jonathan_x: you need it on both sides
3283 [18:59:52] <jonathan_x> lordarkmemo: or after an ssh tunnel
3284 [19:00:06] <jonathan_x> lordarkmemo: the VPN will forward your traffic onto the internet and then you have full access.
3285 [19:00:33] <teraflops> jonathan_x: what os/distro does the nas run?
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3289 [19:01:07] <jonathan_x> teraflops: that's ... I don't know what it is based on. It is the Synology DiskStation.
3290 [19:01:09] <lordarkmemo> jonathan im tunneling with ssh to my router at home. So i already have access to internet. What is the purpose of vpn so?
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3292 [19:01:19] <teraflops> jonathan_x: ah hmm
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3298 [19:02:29] <jonathan_x> lordarkmemo: you get access to all ports on your lan (I think)(
3299 [19:02:33] <teraflops> jonathan_x: well I do it in debian jessie arm thingies too, but im not familiar with that sinology thing
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3301 [19:03:21] <teraflops> lordarkmemo: you asked a better way/alternative
3302 [19:03:26] <teraflops> for a+
3303 [19:03:50] <teraflops> if ssh works for you is ok then
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3306 [19:05:00] <jonathan_x> lordarkmemo: I don't know if all hosts on my lan are accessible in the VPN but typically they would be (I think).
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3309 [19:06:14] <jonathan_x> lordarkmemo: I have a remote VPS that is on the same VPN. It mounts NFS shares using that VPN. From the server, I can just ping it at 10.8.0.25.
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3311 [19:06:45] <teraflops> jonathan_x: you can achieve that e.g doing the vpn in bridged mode
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3314 [19:07:14] <lordarkmemo> jonathan_x: Ok. That VPN is with an online provider?
3315 [19:07:26] <lordarkmemo> jonathan_x: sorry VPS
3316 [19:07:31] <jonathan_x> yeah
3317 [19:08:31] <teraflops> nvm the other way around i do in bridged mode for accessing my lan via vpn
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3321 [19:09:38] <Walakea> what is the way to restore running OS to previous version? i have enough space for snapshots
3322 [19:09:46] <jonathan_x> that means it forwards a route to your lan right.
3323 [19:10:09] <teraflops> Walakea: many. btrfs snapshots, lvm ...
3324 [19:10:48] <jonathan_x> Walakea: you mean as of now, with an image you already have right?
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3327 [19:11:07] <Walakea> in future
3328 [19:11:22] <Walakea> i will have to reinstall my debian either way
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3330 [19:11:33] <Walakea> put /home to separate partition
3331 [19:11:44] <Walakea> change filesystem to btrfs
3332 [19:11:45] <jonathan_x> btrfs is probably most widely supported. Myself I have tried using LVM thin snapshots, but LVM thin is not as widely supported.
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3335 [19:12:05] <risg> Can the arduino software be used without distributing its files across the Debian filesystem? (similar to windows XIP for for non-admin use) ?
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3337 [19:12:52] <owlr> yes
3338 [19:13:00] <jonathan_x> Walakea: I haven't even tried restoring in that way, I only used it for real backup images.
3339 [19:13:11] <owlr> risg, i usually unpack it to the dir i want and use as a user
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3341 [19:13:30] <jonathan_x> Walakea: LVM thin can create thin snapshots like windows volume shadow copies.
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3345 [19:13:55] <jmcnaught> LVM also does non-thin snapshots, which have existed for longer than the thin stuff
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3347 [19:14:13] <risg> owlr: which file do you execute?
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3349 [19:14:36] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: do they work the same?
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3351 [19:14:40] <Walakea> looks like i should know more about this stuff than i do now
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3353 [19:14:53] <jmcnaught> jonathan_x: similar, but different implementations
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3356 [19:15:10] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: so they are the same space efficient right.
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3362 [19:15:41] <risg> owlr: sorry, wouldn't have thought that the executable for the arduino IDE is called arduino...
3363 [19:15:48] <owlr> risg, ./arduino
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3367 [19:16:42] <aryklein> I don't understand debian and journalctl. There isn't the direcotry /var/log/journal, and it seems it keeps using /var/log/syslog (text file). Why??
3368 [19:16:53] <jmcnaught> jonathan_x: actually there's a fair amount of differences, like not needing a thin pool, needing to specify a size for the snapshot. non-thin snapshots only record the differences though.
3369 [19:16:59] <Walakea> i just upgraded linux kernel to backport version and Gnome to testing version, looks like it wasnt the best idea
3370 [19:17:06] <aryklein> by default journald write in a binary file
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3372 [19:17:08] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: alright I get it, you just have to create a volume in advance, that is large enough to hold the changes you expect to happen, over the lifetime of the snapshot.
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3377 [19:18:32] <jmcnaught> Walakea: did you add testing/stretch repos to your stable/jessie install? definitely not a good idea.
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3380 [19:18:37] <teraflops> aryklein: because it says so in the related config file: /etc/systemd/journald.conf
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3385 [19:18:54] <Walakea> yes
3386 [19:19:02] <Walakea> i only upgraded some parts tho
3387 [19:19:03] <transhuman__> any way to get around this error update-initramfs is disabled since running on a live CD? I am remastering a live cd on the hard drive
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3389 [19:19:17] <jmcnaught> aryklein: check /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian for how to enable persistent journal
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3392 [19:19:40] <transhuman__> I know there should be some content in the /usr/sbin/update-initramfs script on a normal install
3393 [19:19:46] <markybob> Walakea: that's probably worse then upgrading the whole thing. anyway, per /topic you should go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing help
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3396 [19:19:54] <Walakea> i have my files backed up, but now that i have to reinstall it i want to do everything i wanted before
3397 [19:19:59] <aryklein> jmcnaught: which statement? My config is all commented
3398 [19:20:02] <transhuman__> should I figure out what is supposed to be in it and put it back temporarily
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3402 [19:20:24] <jmcnaught> Walakea: you only *wanted* to upgrade some parts, but now you have a frankendebian hybrid of stable and testing. either upgrade all the way to testing, or reinstall jessie and learn from the mistake :)
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3404 [19:21:03] <jonathan_x> he/she just wants a way to be able to revert more quickly in the future, like snaphots typically allow, right?
3405 [19:21:17] <Walakea> i will probably want to have one partition for debian stable, one for one potentional OS, one for /home and one for snapshots
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3407 [19:21:40] <jmcnaught> aryklein: it seems that Debian decided the best default for journald is to keep everything in memory/tmpfs, and also use syslog.
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3409 [19:22:05] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: how would you typically turn a snapshot into a full volume and use that instead of the one you used before?
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3411 [19:22:28] <jmcnaught> Walakea: note that user config files in ~/.config might not be happy about alternating between different versions
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3413 [19:22:52] <aryklein> jmcnaught: ahh yes, You're right. Thank for the info
3414 [19:23:21] <jmcnaught> jonathan_x: i think what you would typically do is make a snapshot, do some changes, and then revert the snapshot if things don't work out (which merges the snapshot volume back into the origin and removes the snapshot)
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3418 [19:24:00] <Walakea> ok
3419 [19:24:21] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: so there is a revert action that will turn the original volume into the snapshot's state.
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3423 [19:25:34] <Walakea> what about the GUI program Back in time?
3424 [19:25:48] <ryouma> i installed p7zip-rar, but apt-file search is not finding anything in it. it says p7zip-full is modified, is all.
3425 [19:25:49] <jmcnaught> jonathan_x: yes, "lvconvert --merge"
3426 [19:26:11] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: thanks, I found it too, lvconvert --merge /dev/vg0/snap0, easy as that :).
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3435 [19:27:23] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: you do need to unmount the existing volume, so in the end like most things you need to do it off a rescue disk or something.
3436 [19:27:29] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: if this is your rootfs.
3437 [19:27:46] <aryklein> jmcnaught: replaced-url
3438 [19:27:52] <aryklein> jmcnaught: thanks!"
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3440 [19:28:36] <jmcnaught> jonathan_x: yes, and it's pretty slow too. and LVM snapshotted volume are also fairly slow in my experience. thin shapshots seem to be an improvement, but i couldn't get libvirt to use them (which is what i wanted them for)
3441 [19:29:21] <jmcnaught> aryklein: personally i find persistent journal to be pretty useful
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3444 [19:30:15] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: My only issue has been like 3-fold. 1. not every operating system contains thin-tools (package) in its installer, so you have to add it during the install if you want it for root fs.
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3446 [19:30:26] <aryklein> jmcnaught: me too
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3448 [19:30:48] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: 2. grub2 doesn't read LVM thin
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3452 [19:31:28] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: 3. this means you cannot boot from lvm thin, you can have it as root, but then grub-probe will not be able to update your grub conf
3453 [19:31:35] <teraflops> jonathan_x: I switched to btrfs + subvolumes time ago and is fine here. you can boot directly from a snapshot, among other things like btrfs send | btrfs receive, etc
3454 [19:31:36] <aryklein> jmcnaught: anyway it is kept in /var/log/syslog (I think it is for compatibility propose)
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3456 [19:31:57] <jmcnaught> jonathan_x: where i've found LVM thin useful is with LXC containers
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3458 [19:32:29] <jonathan_x> teraflops: that's nice to know, btrfs is much better supported.
3459 [19:32:34] * jmcnaught looks forward to having the courage to use btrfs outside of a sandbox one day.
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3464 [19:34:02] <teraflops> jmcnaught: i did time ago (i mean in debian servers) firts i did checked a couple of months in quemu
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3466 [19:34:17] <jonathan_x> jmcnaught: right. That's really the benefit if you have a lot of free space but not if you have to divide it over every volume just to have some free space there.
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3468 [19:34:58] <teraflops> hmm excuse my typos
3469 [19:35:26] <jonathan_x> I guess btrfs has that too but I don't like it ;-).
3470 [19:35:43] <jonathan_x> In btrfs it is basically default right.
3471 [19:36:05] <jonathan_x> In LVM it would work fine if only the boot environment supported it and the installers.
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3475 [19:36:57] <jonathan_x> Some opensuse guy who worked on grub told me someone would just have to add it,.... yeah ;-) :p.
3476 [19:37:00] <teraflops> btrfs + subvols running example here replaced-url
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3483 [19:39:31] <jonathan_x> I was trying to craft some LVM (thin) snapshotting and backup tool the other day, but I had to stop it. I wanted to automate creating the snapshot and then tarring it in some incremental fashion but that's a lot of work to get it working (incremental tar is not really that great).
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3486 [19:42:08] <jonathan_x> Like, the first thing I did is create a tool that could compare two tar increments (like origin and first) to list the change because that functionality is not there.
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3488 [19:42:54] <jonathan_x> Incremental tars contain a "dump" of the modifications and you can compare the dumps.
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3490 [19:42:59] <teraflops> jonathan_x: opensuse has a nice tool for that
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3492 [19:43:38] <teraflops> hmm snapper i think
3493 [19:43:50] <jonathan_x> I have heard it mention yeah.
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3496 [19:45:26] <jonathan_x> But those are on-disk snapshots, unless you go sending them to remote systems with btrfs, you will still have to have real backups somewhere ;-).
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3498 [19:45:54] <teraflops> well, I know is on archlinux repos and I remember a git repo too
3499 [19:46:55] <jonathan_x> My Focus is mostly on Kubuntu/Ubuntu/Debian, don't know why I was using OpenSUSE really.
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3504 [19:47:50] <jonathan_x> But Windows tools have these amazing capabilities, as long as you don't need to change anything or work outside of what it can do
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3507 [19:48:07] <jonathan_x> Or the freaking boot environment won't work on your PC and your whole image is worthless :p.
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3511 [19:49:22] <jonathan_x> There are several tools that can create incremental/differential encrypted shadow volume copy snapshots and revert them using a boot environment.
3512 [19:50:06] <jonathan_x> The environment didn't work on my PC even though I had the same chipset/cpu as the developers on their dev machines.
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3515 [19:51:32] <jonathan_x> Those tools also seem to be dropping support for their linux boot environments or those environments are very limited compared to the windows one.
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3519 [19:52:50] <jonathan_x> Comparing the dumps using bash loops proved to be extremely slow though.
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3665 [20:02:26] <jonathan_x> opensuse uses btrfs as the default root, and xfs as the default home, from what I still know.
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3805 [20:22:07] <sharp15> Brigo: both wireless and wired. i think. testing now. wireless definitely and either way the machine is on a lan.
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3810 [20:23:00] <sharp15> Brigo: usually its fine for a few commands and then i see delays of 30sec plus. (about then i get bored and close the terminal)
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3833 [20:25:52] <sharp15> and it figures the one day i ask for help ... i can't replicate the problem.
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3855 [20:31:47] <sharp15> and now its causing problems. keystrokes are noticeably delayed. i can finish sentences and they wont show up for a while.
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3860 [20:32:39] <Brigo> sharp15, try debug mode. Of course you are not using wifi keyboard, don't you? :)
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3864 [20:33:25] <sharp15> Brigo: only wired keyboards here.
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3866 [20:34:02] <sharp15> Brigo: with the systemd switch i'm not even sure how to do that.
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3868 [20:34:19] <Brigo> sharp15, i would check the network thoroughtly.
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3870 [20:35:10] <Brigo> sharp15, i guess systemctl cat ssh.service will give you hints enought :)
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3873 [20:36:33] <ryouma> jmcnaught: my hosts line just says "files dns". does your /etc/nsswitch.conf say differently?
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3875 [20:37:38] <jmcnaught> ryouma: "hosts: files myhostname mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns" is what mine says (on a jessie desktop)
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3878 [20:38:11] <Brigo> mine: replaced-url
3879 [20:38:26] <ryouma> i have no nss-myhostname in my repos. i have libnss-myhostname.
3880 [20:38:58] <ryouma> installed it. now it says "hosts: files myhostname dns"
3881 [20:39:11] <ryouma> maybe that's good enough :)
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3883 [20:39:37] <ryouma> mine is a minimal jessie desktop
3884 [20:39:39] <ryouma> -ish
3885 [20:39:45] <ryouma> (minimalish, that is; no de)
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3900 [20:46:34] <RICC> Hi. It is possible to control electricity(current) in jack audio? I need cut off the flow of current...
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3907 [20:49:26] <zinx> RICC: no.. your sound card/amp would be responsible for that
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3909 [20:50:59] <RICC> And if I turn off the card in alsa? it will be working?
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3912 [20:51:46] <RICC> zinx: And if I turn off the card in alsa? it will be working?
3913 [20:52:00] <zinx> i doubt you can turn it off
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3917 [20:52:31] <zinx> you can choose to not load the driver, but it will still be powered
3918 [20:52:49] <zinx> it probably takes a few mW at most when it's not in use, though.
3919 [20:54:33] <H4ndy> well he never said WHY he wants to do that
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3921 [20:55:25] <cheapie> Whenever I unplug my headphones, the sound output switches to the S/PDIF out (which isn't necessarily a problem), but it does not switch back when I plug the headphones in. Is there a way to change this?
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3925 [20:56:50] <sharp15> Brigo: did you mean sshd in debug?
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3929 [20:58:03] <RICC> zinx: ok thx.
3930 [20:58:15] <cheapie> I should add that I am able to change it back to "Analog Stereo Output" with pavucontrol, at which point the sound works, but the same problem occurs next time I unplug/replug the headphones.
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3933 [20:59:16] <zinx> cheapie: you can see if there are any flags listed w/ amixer, it's kinda annoying to use though.
3934 [20:59:34] <zinx> cheapie: i think there's a way to get alsamixer to show all the controls as well, but i forget
3935 [20:59:52] * cheapie opens up alsamixer and looks for anything related
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3943 [21:02:09] <cheapie> zinx: The only thing that seemed related was "Auto-Mute Mode", but disabling that had no effect.
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3945 [21:02:26] <zinx> cheapie: :(
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3947 [21:03:22] <cheapie> I might just cut apart a cable (so that it's just a plug, no cable), and plug that into the speaker jack in back.
3948 [21:03:35] <zinx> heh
3949 [21:04:04] <zinx> depending on how it detects, you may need a resistor. a lot of them just use a switch, though
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3953 [21:04:49] <cheapie> ...and I can't seem to find any spare cables. Go figure.
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3977 [21:10:27] <jercos> more than 24 hours later debmirror is not finished with the first CPU-intensive step, I've hit control-C...
3978 [21:10:48] <jercos> the line in question is /usr/bin/debmirror -a armhf --no-source -s main -h $server -d sid -r $inpath --progress $outpath
3979 [21:11:08] <zinx> cheapie: monoprice? :P
3980 [21:11:22] <jercos> server, inpath, and outpath are set earlier respectively to ftp.us.debian.org /debian and /var/replaced-url
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3982 [21:11:32] <cheapie> zinx: It's not a big enough deal for me to bother buying stuff for it.
3983 [21:11:40] <zinx> cheapie: not even for <$1?
3984 [21:11:41] <jercos> I suspect if I add --slow-cpu back in and simply wipe my existing mirror the result would be success...
3985 [21:11:57] <jercos> however that's notably distasteful >.>
3986 [21:12:11] <cheapie> zinx: I don't think so.
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3988 [21:12:35] <zinx> cheapie: well, try amixer, it has some options to list controls that are normally hidden in alsamixer
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3990 [21:13:13] <cheapie> zinx: Which package provides that? I don't appear to have it.
3991 [21:13:25] <zinx> dpkg -S amixer
3992 [21:13:25] <dpkg> You Fool! amixer is installed!
3993 [21:13:29] <zinx> >_<
3994 [21:13:39] <zinx> i was hoping it would search for you :P
3995 [21:13:59] <sharp15> Brigo: thanks.
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3997 [21:14:05] <cheapie> ...huh, now somehow it's working.
3998 [21:14:06] <zinx> cheapie: i don't know off-hand, and i'm not currently in Debian/Linux
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4003 [21:15:16] <cheapie> "amixer -c 0 controls" shows nothing that looks related.
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4015 [21:22:39] <fred1807> hello, I am installing debian on an old hp laptop, the chipset is senprom 3400, it seems it does suppoert 64bit (not sure); Question is, if I want a ultra fast web experience, and dont care for 64bit only sutff, can I go with i386 ?
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4017 [21:22:57] <cheapie> fred1807: i386 will work.
4018 [21:22:58] <r6ku> fred1807: how much ram does the machine have?
4019 [21:23:02] <fred1807> 512
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4021 [21:23:25] <r6ku> fred1807: go 32-bit lxde/xfce
4022 [21:23:38] <cheapie> Assuming you meant "Sempron" by "senprom", that's likely 64-bit (amd64) capable, but yes, 32-bit (i386) is fine too.
4023 [21:23:38] <jim> jelly, about grsec and rolling my own kernel... I was just trying to find out whether grsec was already in my kernel, and since you say grsec can't start from userland, it has to be built into the kernel, and the debian folks don't put it into "normal" kernels, I would assume the answer is no, I don't have grsec... that's good to know
4024 [21:23:54] <fred1807> going with i386 lxde... see ya
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4026 [21:24:17] <jercos> apparently there's an easy answer to my problem... jessie's debmirror can't handle sid.
4027 [21:24:47] <jercos> it grabs dists/sid/main/binary-armhf/Packages.diff/Index and then sits there forever consuming 100% CPU
4028 [21:24:49] <jim> fred1807, probably good to specify the unit... 512... k? m? g? -t-??
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4056 [21:30:42] <transhuman__> question, is there a way to get the output of apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade into a log file as well as on the screen during its execution
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4061 [21:31:45] <jhutchins> transhuman__: Have you looked in /var/log/
4062 [21:31:50] * jercos debootstraps sid to find out if debmirror 1:2.22 handles mirroring sid better than 1:2.16
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4064 [21:32:06] <jmcnaught> transhuman__: the release notes upgrade instructions recommend using script
4065 [21:32:10] <transhuman__> oh, it outputs it there , sorry didnt eve think it might actually do that
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4067 [21:32:38] <transhuman__> ok i will look at the release notes script thanks
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4100 [21:43:16] <rhizome> nothing i like better than playing "which file manager will this app call up?"
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4105 [21:44:11] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I just upgraded a Web server to Jessie. It was using apache2-mpm-worker and php5-fpm but I can't get PHP to work after the upgrade
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4107 [21:44:47] <H4ndy> use nginx ;)
4108 [21:44:54] <Pegasus_RPG> I've moved the config file to the right place but I'm getting messages like these when trying to use the sites: You don't have permission to access /fcgi-bin/php5-fpm/page.php
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4111 [21:45:17] <H4ndy> Pegasus_RPG: well check permissions?
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4113 [21:45:31] <aerth> php or apache is probably trying under the wrong user
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4115 [21:45:40] <Pegasus_RPG> H4ndy: that file doesn't exist. It's an alias to a socket in php5-fpm.conf
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4118 [21:46:10] <Pegasus_RPG> I mean the part of the path '/fcgi-bin/php5-fpm' is the socket
4119 [21:46:23] <Pegasus_RPG> the rest is the path in the site's documentroot
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4122 [21:47:33] <Pegasus_RPG> Anyway, my questions are: 1) How do I use Apache2.4 multi-threaded since there's just the one package now? 2) Do I still heed the warning on the libmodapache2-php5 package taht it's not thread-safe?
4123 [21:48:03] <Pegasus_RPG> Can I just use php5-cgi and be fine?
4124 [21:48:37] <aerth> H4ndy, nginx is so cool
4125 [21:48:56] * Pegasus_RPG is not interested in learning a new Web engine config right now, thankyouverymuch
4126 [21:49:07] <H4ndy> isnt there always a separate package for apache that contains php?
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4130 [21:49:18] <H4ndy> I havent used apache in years, sorry
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4133 [21:49:46] <Pegasus_RPG> H4ndy: yes. php5-cgi apparently but also libapache2-mod-php5
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4136 [21:50:11] <jim> Pegasus_RPG, is there a readme or (esp.) a changelog for the newer apache package? if you read it, is it saying interesting things about how you can use php or multithreading?
4137 [21:50:15] <aerth> is apache running under the same user it was before? replaced-url
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4139 [21:50:26] <jmcnaught> Pegasus_RPG: in Apache 2.4 the MPMs are modules just like any other
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4149 [21:51:36] <Pegasus_RPG> aerth: yes. jim: yes but no mention of those other than a config name deprecation
4150 [21:51:44] <Tom01> Without a Monitor connected, Debian hangs. What can I do to make it boot without a Monitor?
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4152 [21:52:18] <Pegasus_RPG> jmcnaught: okay, so then do I need the warning " Please note that this package ONLY works with Apache's prefork MPM, as it is not compiled thread-safe. " on libapache2-mod-php5 ?
4153 [21:52:25] <Pegasus_RPG> s/need/heed/
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4156 [21:53:35] <jmcnaught> Pegasus_RPG: if you were already using php-fpm and mpm-worker, i'd stick with that and not revert to mod_php (which is still not threadsafe and does require prefork)
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4159 [21:54:20] <Pegasus_RPG> jmcnaught: okay, that's what I'm trying to do. (Though phppgadmin now doesn't include php5-fpm as a valid dependency)
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4165 [21:55:24] <jmcnaught> Pegasus_RPG: it probably depends on php5 or libapache-mod-php5. install the php5 meta package
4166 [21:55:45] <Pegasus_RPG> php5-cgi actually
4167 [21:56:34] <jmcnaught> Pegasus_RPG: sorry i'm a little distracted, but yeah you got it :)
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4169 [21:56:45] <Pegasus_RPG> screw it, I'll just try to get php5-cgi working
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4172 [21:57:17] <ulster> ahh it's a wonderful day
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4175 [21:59:12] <Pegasus_RPG> jmcnaught: got that working, thank you
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4197 [22:06:07] <karlpinc> Tom01: How do you know it's debian?
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4201 [22:06:43] <Tom01> Because I have installed it.
4202 [22:06:46] <Sandlayth> Hello world
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4204 [22:07:13] <Sandlayth> I want to create a debian docker image
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4208 [22:07:37] <Sandlayth> but i don't know wich file download in replaced-url
4209 [22:07:48] <Sandlayth> replaced-url
4210 [22:07:54] <Sandlayth> actually
4211 [22:08:31] <Sandlayth> replaced-url
4212 [22:08:37] <Sandlayth> i suppose
4213 [22:08:42] <karlpinc> Tom01: Yes, but how do you know that it's debian that's preventing it from booting? There's also the bios/uefi.
4214 [22:09:17] <Sandlayth> Should i dl
4215 [22:09:34] <Sandlayth> one .xz from contrib, main and not-free ?
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4221 [22:12:05] <aerth> Sandlayth, you know there is a " FROM debian:jessie " already?
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4223 [22:12:34] <Sandlayth> aerth: yep, but i use docker on an arm server
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4226 [22:13:06] <Sandlayth> and i would like to use my image, in order to update it as long as i can
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4229 [22:14:02] <aerth> something like replaced-url
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4232 [22:14:33] <Sandlayth> Actually
4233 [22:14:38] <Sandlayth> I wanted to follow replaced-url
4234 [22:15:02] <Sandlayth> but i didn't find rootfs.tar.xz
4235 [22:15:18] <Sandlayth> so yeah, something like replaced-url
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4243 [22:18:35] <TunaLobster> I noticed that after typing in my username that is a lengthy pause before the password prompt when I am sshing in. It didn't use to do this. Oh and I don't have internet access from the command line after bridging wlan and eth
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4245 [22:19:16] <aerth> i looked i am stumped as well Sandlayth
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4249 [22:19:46] <aerth> TunaLobster, try ssh -v to see where its hanging up
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4252 [22:20:52] <TunaLobster> Version? Or verbose?
4253 [22:20:57] <aerth> verbose
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4258 [22:23:06] <TunaLobster> aerth: I'm using putty to sign into my box. Not sure how to do that.
4259 [22:24:01] <aerth> oh i am not sure if that exists
4260 [22:24:38] <TunaLobster> Found the full SSH packet logging option.
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4262 [22:25:31] <Slimmy> hello guys. I downloaded debian stable netinst and used unetbootin to get it in my usb. But it tells me abt missing cd rom. Why do i get such an error?
4263 [22:26:19] <Slimmy> like "No common CD-ROM drive was detected"
4264 [22:26:25] <axc1298> Slimmy: which operating system did you use to create the usb? there must be a better option than unetbootin
4265 [22:26:47] <Slimmy> axc1298: debian testing
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4267 [22:27:06] <Slimmy> axc1298: like what option? dd or such?
4268 [22:27:36] <axc1298> Slimmy: use dd or cp to create it. like this: dd if=filename.iso of=/dev/sdX
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4271 [22:27:49] <Slimmy> axc1298: on it.
4272 [22:28:01] <Slimmy> axc1298: on root?
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4274 [22:28:05] <axc1298> but replace X with the right letter
4275 [22:28:05] <Slimmy> as root*
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4277 [22:28:23] <jhutchins> Slimmy: Yes, as root or with sudo.
4278 [22:28:34] <jhutchins> Slimmy: We're not sure why, but unetbootin often fails that way.
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4280 [22:29:02] <markybob2> !unetbootin
4281 [22:29:03] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
4282 [22:29:03] <Slimmy> jhutchins: What is it that unetbootin does differently?
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4286 [22:29:15] <Slimmy> ooooh
4287 [22:29:19] <Slimmy> alright thank you
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4294 [22:31:02] <TunaLobster> Holly cow! PowerShell has ssh!
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4298 [22:32:28] <Slimmy> now i get missing firmware files: rtl_nic/rt18168g-2.fw I'm going to google this a bit and brb
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4301 [22:33:20] <Slimmy> Should I risk installing without this?
4302 [22:33:33] <markybob2> Slimmy: debian does have an installer with firmware included to make it really easy. replaced-url
4303 [22:35:05] <Slimmy> markybob2: you made it easy for me. Thank you. I'm just booting this normally right?
4304 [22:35:18] <Slimmy> markybob2: dd and boot into it
4305 [22:35:22] <markybob2> Slimmy: yes. make sure no secure boot is set in the bios
4306 [22:35:41] <markybob2> Slimmy: install guide says cp image.iso /dev/sdX but dd does the same thing. that's okay.
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4308 [22:36:25] <Slimmy> markybob2: Alright. My usb is empty and dding
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4311 [22:37:04] <markybob2> Slimmy: remember to sync after
4312 [22:37:25] <Slimmy> markybob2: um what?
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4314 [22:37:36] <markybob2> Slimmy: just type sync after it's done with dd
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4317 [22:38:06] <Slimmy> markybob2: alright alright
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4341 [22:48:14] <Slimmy> markybob2: That worked sweet. but I have to confess I forgot to sync cuz i did it in a hurry since my laptop is dying
4342 [22:48:31] <Slimmy> markybob2: anyways, I'm grateful
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4381 [23:01:55] <Walakea> i currently have two kernels how can i remove one of them?
4382 [23:02:12] <DocMAX> anyone using midnight commander?
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4417 [23:16:44] <miko__> Hi. I'm hanging in initrd and have a shell. Of course I want to mount the rootfs: `mount -t ext4 /dev/sda1 /`. This fails with the message "mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on / failed: Invalid argument".
4418 [23:16:54] <miko__> ext4 is in /proc/filesystems
4419 [23:17:15] <miko__> and /dev/sda1 exists, of course
4420 [23:17:35] <miko__> I wonder want argument is invalid and why
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4426 [23:19:25] <miko__> and /dev/sda1 is a block device, as listed with ls -ls
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4432 [23:21:24] <jmcnaught> miko__: is / already mounted? (check the output of "mount"). if so, you need to remount it as rw with "mount -o remount,rw /"
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4439 [23:23:36] <miko__> And the internet sucks, too. Yes, / is mounted as rootfs. But mounting it in a unmounted directory does not work either
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4441 [23:23:53] <miko__> and remount does not work either.
4442 [23:24:02] <miko__> This error message is just so ambious
4443 [23:24:03] <polysics> hello! I am having a weird situation where all commands in an /etc/init.d script work from the console, but the script actually does nothing - and it does not look like there's any logs anywhere
4444 [23:24:17] <polysics> I am at loss for where to start looking, so any pointer is appreciated
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4447 [23:25:10] <polysics> it just prints "[ ok ] Starting freeswitch (via systemctl): freeswitch.service."
4448 [23:25:10] <jmcnaught> miko__: what happened before you rebooted? were you doing a major release upgrade, installing a new kernel?
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4452 [23:26:05] <jmcnaught> polysics: does "systemctl status freeswitch" tell you anything?
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4455 [23:26:26] <miko__> I just did a fsck. The Filesystem is broken bejond belive. A bad super block, and the rest is broken, too. Nothing to save, i guess
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4460 [23:27:44] <polysics> jmcnaught: apparently "service freeswitch start" works. Do I "just" have something broken with the init setup here?
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4464 [23:28:32] <miko__> jmcnaught, bye, thanks
4465 [23:28:49] <jmcnaught> polysics: i don't know. i don't think freeswitch is a Debian package. does it actually provide an init script, or is it a systemd service unit?
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4467 [23:29:15] <jmcnaught> miko__: good luck :) i'd try mounting/chrooting into it from a rescue/live cd
4468 [23:29:32] <polysics> I installed it from source so the init script that is packaged in does not actually work (docs say so)
4469 [23:29:51] <polysics> I created an /etc/init.d script off this: replaced-url
4470 [23:30:07] <polysics> and it does indeed work, but only when started using `service`
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4475 [23:32:10] <dokma> Is there any way to fake my IP to test postfix IP rejection rules?
4476 [23:32:23] <dokma> With telnet perhaps?
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4480 [23:35:16] <grawity> dokma: XCLIENT
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4484 [23:37:02] <dokma> grawity: thanks a bunch
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