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24[00:10:16] <cablebot3> I can't login through tty. It prompts me for a login, but when I enter my username, it just resets and asks for the username again. Can someone help?
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27[00:11:19] <nullbyte> try root if you have password stored somewhere
28[00:11:48] <cablebot3> Anything I enter as the username just resets the screen and asks for the login again.
29[00:12:11] <nullbyte> your keyboard sending return key codes?
30[00:12:18] <nullbyte> is your*
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32[00:13:08] <cablebot3> Yes the keyboard is working. I enter a username, press 'enter', and it's like the tty1 does a Ctrl + L then it just says "Debian GNU/Linux stretch/sid host tty1, user login:
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34[00:13:43] <markybob_> cablebot3: oh. well you're in the wrong place. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
35[00:13:52] <nullbyte> try reboot yet? or is it server with mandatory uptime?
36[00:14:24] <cablebot3> I've rebooted multiple times. the GUI isn't working so I'm relying on tty
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40[00:15:12] <nullbyte> cablebot3: fsck with live os?
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42[00:15:35] <cablebot3> Yeah I
43[00:15:38] <cablebot3> ll try that
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103[00:45:19] <insaneinside> Could someone remind me whey we deal with this PulseAudio BS? It makes my music sound like crap, manipulates the hardware mixer in awful ways, and actually isn't necessary for multiple applications to play sounds simultaneously as some people claim...
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112[00:48:45] <insaneinside> Not a rhetorical question, btw -- quite interested to hear from someone who's had a positive experience with it.
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117[00:51:17] <mtn> insaneinside: pulse works perfectly fine for me. depending on your de, you can remove it if you want to.
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119[00:51:43] <insaneinside> apparently Skype no longer supports plain ALSA (yeah, proprietary MS crap, I know) :(
120[00:52:13] <esotericnonsense> insaneinside: run skype in a VM, sorted
121[00:52:15] <esotericnonsense> :)
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123[00:52:33] <insaneinside> esotericnonsense: good point
124[00:52:40] <esotericnonsense> it can muck around as much as it wants in its' playpen
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126[00:52:48] <r6ku> only problem I've had with pulseaudio is that the flat volumes option is on by default, other than that it works unlike 5 years ago
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130[00:53:46] <insaneinside> well, yeah it *works*, but i notice some pretty bad audio hiccups when playing music
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132[00:54:29] <insaneinside> plus it adjusts the individual channels of my 5.1 audio setup, rather than adjusting the "PCM" or "master" controls.
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136[00:54:59] <mtn> insaneinside: have you looked at pavucontrol?
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138[00:55:19] <insaneinside> yep!
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145[00:56:04] <insaneinside> hm, okay that one uses the "master" control, but messes with my other settings apparently.
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157[00:59:34] <insaneinside> what does PulseAudio get me, besides higher audio latency, support for certain applications, and a one-size-fits-none volume control? Assume I won't be using audio-over-network features.
158[01:00:01] <r6ku> it's being maintained?
159[01:00:07] <insaneinside> and ALSA isn't?
160[01:00:39] <r6ku> well shit, go complain to #pulseaudio then
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162[01:01:25] <zinx> pulseaudio uses alsa...
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167[01:02:10] <andril> hello
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189[01:13:04] <transhuman> hi I am booted inside a live cd (too old to get extract squashfs unfortunately ) I have dd, cpio, cp ,and scp, no rsync available what is the best way to get a duplicate of the running system and skip dynamic directories such as /dev using one of these commands. (I am inside the live cd and I want it to be able to chroot into it when I mount it and run is the objective....thanks in advance
190[01:13:23] <transhuman> if anyone can point me to a doc on a sure way to do this it would be greatly appreciated
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199[01:16:49] <insaneinside> transhuman: cp -a --one-file-system ?
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203[01:18:57] <transhuman> insaneinside, really? will that skip the dynamic files and tmp files?
204[01:19:28] <insaneinside> it won't cross file-system boundaries.
205[01:19:39] <insaneinside> so it depends on what /dev is
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207[01:20:44] <transhuman> I am booted inside a live cd (and trying to get the contents without being able to use squashfs to extract it) I want the image i create to be bootable
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209[01:21:53] <insaneinside> so you want an image of the CD?
210[01:21:55] <transhuman> I could do this so easily with rsync but its not installed in the live cd and its so out of date the sources arn't available
211[01:22:09] <transhuman> mainly of the extracted squashfs
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213[01:22:27] <transhuman> I want to upgrade the live cd
214[01:22:38] <transhuman> so I am going to put it on a hard drive boot it and upgrade it
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218[01:25:08] <insaneinside> cp -a --one-file-system *should* to it, though it will copy the device files if they're part of the squashfs or created directly during boot
219[01:25:26] <insaneinside> How critical is it that those files be excluded?
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221[01:26:01] <transhuman> dont know will it interfere with the boot I can try it and see for sure
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223[01:26:15] <insaneinside> it shouldn't
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225[01:26:23] <transhuman> ok then thanks a lot
226[01:26:33] <insaneinside> especially if you're going to be booting on the same machine
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228[01:27:02] <insaneinside> though bootloader setup might need help, and i'm no expert on that
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230[01:27:21] <sn0wmonster> is there a fork of debian i can run that doesn't use systemd?
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236[01:27:49] <insaneinside> sudo apt-get install sysvinit?
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239[01:28:37] <abrotman> dpkg: tell sn0wmonster about systemd-shim
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243[01:29:39] <sn0wmonster> interesting
244[01:29:44] <transhuman> thanks for the help so far I will see if it works
245[01:29:44] <sn0wmonster> need to do some more reading apparently
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247[01:30:32] <abrotman> sn0wmonster: Additionally, I will say that systemd is becoming very widely adopted. Seems in your best interest to learn it
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249[01:31:07] * insaneinside wishes systemd and Xorg could figure out the whole dynamic input-devices deal.
250[01:31:10] <blubee> hi guys, how do I install a new window manager? I install debian with gnome but I'd like to test another window manager to debug some issues
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252[01:31:31] <abrotman> blubee: so install it, use it
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254[01:31:54] <insaneinside> blubee: choose one from your package manager.
255[01:32:19] <markybob_> blubee: for example: apt-get install task-xfce-desktop
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261[01:33:09] <blubee> abrotman: is there documentation on doing that?
262[01:33:22] <blubee> launching synaptic searching for kde but there's a ton of things
263[01:33:53] <somiaj> !wm
264[01:33:53] <dpkg> A window manager is a special application class which decorates and manages windows for the X server. To list available window managers in your system, run «apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager». Not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. To set your system-wide default window manager, use «update-alternatives --config x-window-manager». For a guide to available window managers, see replaced-url
265[01:34:15] <somiaj> blubee: run that apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager, pick one, install it with apt, it is that easy.
266[01:34:19] <markybob_> blubee: apt-get install task-kde-desktop
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268[01:34:42] <somiaj> blubee: if you are looking for the name of a meta package for a desktop just ask, kde can be installed in the following wasy
269[01:34:45] <somiaj> !kde
270[01:34:45] <dpkg> KDE software is based on the Qt toolkit. See replaced-url
271[01:34:53] <somiaj> !install kde
272[01:34:54] <dpkg> The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue".
273[01:35:06] <somiaj> the task will include a few extra things like probabaly libreoofice
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278[01:35:54] <blubee> !unity
279[01:35:55] <dpkg> Unity is a shell interface for <GNOME>, part of the Ayatana project. <RFP> filed as Debian bug #609278. replaced-url
280[01:36:02] <blubee> !kde
281[01:36:02] <dpkg> KDE software is based on the Qt toolkit. See replaced-url
282[01:36:15] <blubee> somiaj: thanks for that tip
283[01:36:17] <blubee> !install kde
284[01:36:17] <dpkg> The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue".
285[01:36:18] <markybob_> blubee: you can /msg the bot
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288[01:36:40] <somiaj> or just hit page up and read what the bot already spit out the channel. (:
289[01:36:48] <blubee> oh, i was just testing out those commands somiaj told I had no idea they'd show up in chat
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291[01:37:10] <blubee> thanks for letting me know how to go solve this issue
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293[01:37:25] <somiaj> blubee: just commands so I can quickly get a bot to say some info instead of having to type it (and rember it) each time
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304[01:42:48] <salviaD> I am installing debian (netinst) at this very momment. I am at the software selection box. I want to go with LXDE. Can i mark only the LXDE line, and UNmark "Debian Desktop Environmtn" ? SSh server is so I can log to my machine from the network, right? Can I go without "standard system utilities" ? What would be those utilities? Browsers/gimp/and such ?
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309[01:45:12] <abrotman> No,standard is things like grep/more/less tools .. leave that selected
310[01:45:24] <Brigo> salviaD, you can, but you shouldn't. Debian Desktop Environmtn are the packages that all desktops shares.
311[01:45:27] <abrotman> well, prbably not grep .. but you can look at what it installs later and uninstall what you do'nt want
312[01:45:37] <themill> !standard task
313[01:45:37] <dpkg> it has been said that standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
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317[01:46:34] <salviaD> Brigo: Ok, but LXDE Will work without "debian Desktop Environment" right? What is inclueded inside it? Firefox/icewasel/mail ?...
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320[01:47:39] <themill> If you want fine-grained control over what is installed, then skipping the desktop tasks for now and installing the packages you want later on is a better plan
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325[01:48:23] <Brigo> salviaD, really don't know what packages are in that.
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329[01:49:12] <themill> ,depends task-lxde-desktop
330[01:49:13] <judd> Package task-lxde-desktop in jessie/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.31+deb8u1), task-desktop, lightdm, lxde.
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335[01:50:44] <Brigo> salviaD, it only depends in one package: desktop-base
336[01:50:49] <r6ku> you get iceweasel, libreoffice and gimp from recommends at least
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338[01:51:00] <Brigo> desktop-base will install xorg, for example.
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340[01:52:09] <foreverska> What is the most secure freedom browser? Firefox with addons?
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344[01:53:48] <markybob_> foreverska: firefox wasn't even included in Pwn2Own because it was "too easy" to hack
345[01:54:00] <markybob_> foreverska: so probably chromium
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347[01:54:11] <foreverska> Yea I was reading that today, kinda why it's coming up.
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350[01:54:58] <okee> I would like some help in mounting some drives. For reasons unknown, my internal NTFS drive ended up in /media/Windows, but I did not put it there, and it won't let me mount it. replaced-url
351[01:54:58] <okee> Home Directory are not found. And though I can't see the 4 other drives in Debian, I can see everything while in Centos. This is the results of the df command replaced-url
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354[01:56:39] <salviaD> Anyone with mac here? I dont know what to select on the GRUB boot loader dialog. As of now my macbook is using rEFIt (this is how I booted the debian install pen drive). I wiped all the hd (does not have osx anymore) but I leaved the rEFIt partition there.... Dont know where to install GRUB now... I would like to leave rEFIt there in case I may need to install osx on a partition of the hd in the future (btw, this is 2006 macbook white 1,1 gen)
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362[01:58:00] <somiaj> okee: I don't understand your comand, why are you trying to mount it in /media/Windows if it has been put there already?
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367[01:58:32] <Brigo> salviaD, i think there is some info in the Debian wiki. Also i think grub was installed in that rEFIt partition.
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372[01:59:09] <okee> somiaj> Does it need to be mounted at /media/Windows? Also, did Debian Jessie put it there by mistake? mcjnaught indicates that the path should be /media/asd/Windows However others disagreed with his position.
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375[01:59:41] <okee> somiaj> I am able to see the contents of the Windows directory at the location /media/Windows
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382[02:01:34] <somiaj> okee: you can mount things wherever you want. /media/foo is just a standard place to put things from autodetection
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384[02:01:57] <somiaj> okee: you can modify your /etc/fstab if you want it automounted somewwhere, and you should be able to mount it normally, but I don't understand why you are tyring to mount it over the location it is mounted
385[02:02:11] <okee> somiaj> jcmnaught indicates you can't mount other OS. IS there some documentation on this somewhere?
386[02:02:26] <somiaj> okee: if it is currently mounted, 'umount /media/Windows' then to mount it 'mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda5 /new/location'
387[02:02:39] <okee> somiaj> How do you know it is mounted?
388[02:02:43] <somiaj> okee: I don't know what you mean by mount other OS. You can mount any file system that the kernel ran read.
389[02:02:47] <somiaj> okee: because you said it was mounted.
390[02:02:53] <okee> when doing df it shows up as /media/asd/Windows
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392[02:03:16] <somiaj> okee: my internal NTFS drive ended up in /media/Windows is what you said, so I'm assuming it has already been mounted.
393[02:03:19] <okee> somiaj> No, I didn't say it was mounted, I just said I found a director in /media/Windows that was full of the Windows files.
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395[02:03:52] <somiaj> You said exactly what I pasted, which to me tells me it is mounted in /media/Windows, if that is not what you mean don't say it
396[02:03:55] <salviaD> Ok, "no grub" made the HD with debian not recognized by the rEFIt boot menu. So I am back at the pen drive install. Is there any option to only install grub/lilo now, without having to install everything again?
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398[02:04:03] <somiaj> type 'mount' or 'df -h' to see the stats of drives that are currently mounted
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400[02:04:47] <somiaj> salviaD: you should be able to just fix grub. I know on some mac hardware all you need to od is rename/move the grub.efi file from the efi partition and call it BOOT64.efi or something like that.
401[02:05:03] <salviaD> rescue mode?
402[02:05:06] <somiaj> salviaD: but provided the only issue is configuring grub you can do this from any thing you can get to boot the system correctly, the mount/chroot into your install and fix it
403[02:05:09] <somiaj> !fixmbr
404[02:05:10] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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412[02:07:12] <somiaj> okee: but you don't want to just mount the drive somewhere else you want to unmount it first and then mount it where you want it. Also you should check /etc/fstab or use that if you want this to be automounted each boot
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417[02:08:15] <salviaD> I dont know nothing about GRUB/boot.. All I know is there I have the rEFIt menu installed on the HD, my macbook boots to it, and the debian netinst pen drive is recognized by this rEFIt menu. So my question is... What options should I choose in the GRUB install dialog to make is the same as the debian install pen drive? I am ok with the rEFIt menu... I just need the / (root) partition I am installing debian now to be recognized by rEFIt as something the
418[02:08:15] <salviaD> machine cann boot from
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425[02:09:14] <psf> Has someone here changed from Arch to Debian recently? I'm really thinking in make that change and I would like to see people's opinion on that
426[02:09:49] <abrotman> We get a fair number in here, probably bettter to ask specific questions if you have them
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428[02:11:28] <psf> hmm... nothing too specific... just looking for opinions ...
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434[02:12:46] <abrotman> about ... ? :)
435[02:14:08] <psf> if someone has changed Arch to Debian, why and what he/she misses from Arch... stuff like that!
436[02:14:12] <psf> (sorry me English...)
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442[02:16:14] <abrotman> psf: I think most people would say they miss bleeding edge software (unless they're running Debian Unstable)
443[02:16:37] <psf> I see
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447[02:17:11] <psf> That is what I would 'say' too... and of course, AUR.
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491[02:50:14] <relaxed> psf: yeah, run Sid if it's a desktop/workstation
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504[02:57:29] <psf> I see... I downloaded the ISO, I'll install it on a virtual machine to play a little bit
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568[03:42:20] <AlexLikeRock> help
569[03:42:31] <dvs> !ask
570[03:42:31] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
571[03:42:38] <AlexLikeRock> $ mysql -h localhost -u root -p
572[03:42:38] <AlexLikeRock> Enter password:
573[03:42:38] <AlexLikeRock> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (13)
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575[03:42:46] <AlexLikeRock> dvs,
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577[03:42:54] <AlexLikeRock> i got the passwork
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579[03:43:01] <AlexLikeRock> y tri with out passw
580[03:43:13] <AlexLikeRock> y reinstall mysql
581[03:43:22] <AlexLikeRock> i pourge
582[03:43:24] <AlexLikeRock> too
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591[03:46:45] <ays> how do I go about packaging a software for debian? I am a complete beginner to this
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594[03:47:22] <abrotman> dpkg: tell ays about nmg
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601[03:48:57] <ays> abrotman : what is nmg?
602[03:49:30] <abrotman> ays: see what the bot told you
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643[04:08:24] <somiaj> faca: did you start with 6 (squeeze) chance your sources to 8 (jessie) and upgrade. That is not supported and not sure if your system is rcoverable.
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654[04:11:40] <okee> Where do I get the UUID number for the fstab in Debian Jessie?
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659[04:13:33] <psf> okee: did you google it?
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661[04:13:43] <dvs> okee, ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
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663[04:14:31] <karlpinc> okee: blkid is also handy.
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665[04:15:07] <okee> karlpinc> For reasons unknown blkid quit working.
666[04:15:43] <psf> lsblk -f then
667[04:16:09] <faca> somiaj, howto boot in ONLY TEXT fucki... mode in debian 8 ? line "text" in grub (after kernel line) don't work
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671[04:19:42] <sypher> faca: So, you went directly from Debian 6 to Debian 8?
672[04:19:59] <faca> yes
673[04:20:28] <faca> anda when boot, kernel try graphical mode.... never show the prompt....
674[04:20:37] <faca> ctrl alt fx don't work
675[04:20:45] <faca> edit grub and put text in kernel line don't work
676[04:21:09] <faca> I NEED ONLY STUPID CONSOLE !! it is a server no a children OS !!
677[04:21:16] <faca> any idea ?
678[04:21:44] <sypher> faca: You need to read documentation. Quote: "Direct upgrades from Debian releases older than 7 (wheezy) are not supported."
679[04:22:12] <faca> for ??? it is a stupid
680[04:22:23] <sypher> faca: Most likely, you've caused serious and probably irreparable damage to your installation.
681[04:22:33] <faca> pfff
682[04:22:45] <sypher> faca: It's stupid because you went and did something that you shouldn't have, per documentation?
683[04:22:54] <simonlnu> pff all you want, you've likely broken it.
684[04:22:56] <faca> En su lugar, traducir del y por que carajo dejan que apt corra sin problemas entonces ?
685[04:22:56] <faca> and let apt run smoothly then?
686[04:23:28] <sypher> faca: Reinstall on jessie and reconfigure.
687[04:23:33] <simonlnu> can't do anything without consequences. that's childish thinking.
688[04:23:34] <faca> debian is getting more and more commercial and more like an operating system housewives !!!
689[04:23:42] <simonlnu> ...
690[04:23:50] <psf> I didn't understand a shit lol
691[04:23:54] <sypher> faca: That's your opinion. You did something foolish and are now blaming others.
692[04:23:54] <faca> graphics boot and systemd ? pfff it is a very shi...
693[04:24:17] <simonlnu> and you manage a server?
694[04:24:26] <faca> It is not just my opinion, and internet media does not like either.
695[04:24:32] <simonlnu> know your OS first, then complain.
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697[04:24:47] <simonlnu> *plonk*
698[04:24:55] <faca> where it has been seen not display real-time services are starting?, for example 1 ...
699[04:25:00] <sypher> faca: Bienvenido a la administración del sistema, mi pequeño amigo. Aprender a leer la documentación, y la forma de actuar de una manera madura.
700[04:25:05] <sypher> !es
701[04:25:06] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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703[04:26:35] <faca> then, suppose a clean install. As is done from grub to start text from beginning to end to the login mode, the kernel mode not try any video or any other service?
704[04:26:38] <faca> ???
705[04:27:22] <faca> I want a home full text. Text mode to login.
706[04:27:46] <markedsea> Step 1) Obtain an ISO of Debian 8 off of the internet...
707[04:27:55] <faca> yes yes yes
708[04:27:58] <markedsea> Step 2) Reinstall.
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710[04:28:16] <sypher> Step 0) Read documentation.
711[04:28:40] <faca> sypher, that section of the manual? why I not find it.
712[04:29:31] <markedsea> replaced-url
713[04:29:39] <sypher> markedsea: Wrong arch.
714[04:29:42] <markedsea> Ooh.
715[04:29:53] <markedsea> I can't read problems.
716[04:29:56] <sypher> markedsea: Only because that bit me, too. ;)
717[04:30:07] <sypher> replaced-url
718[04:30:19] <sypher> replaced-url
719[04:30:21] <markedsea> Oooh. That would be a better place to start.
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721[04:30:30] <faca> sypher, I have more than 20 servers online debian years, only a few that have not been tinkering with them makes. I never thought I had changed so much. I do not think I should read anything for a stupid installation, recomendas me read the manual that got no idea how I solve what I wonder? It is a simple question. INCIO AS TEST MODE TEXT WITHOUT ANY VIDEO MODE or anything.
722[04:30:55] <sypher> faca: "I do not think I should read anything" That is your problem.
723[04:31:03] <faca> pfff
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725[04:31:17] <faca> your are a dense man
726[04:31:18] <sypher> faca: That is why you have a broken system, and that's why you're a poor administrator. Now, go learn from your betters, and reinstall.
727[04:31:32] <faca> yes yes yes yes
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729[04:31:39] <markedsea> I'm guessing that updates between major numbers only go +1 then, like 6 -> 7, or 7 -> 8?
730[04:31:46] <sypher> markedsea: Correct.
731[04:32:01] <sypher> markedsea: The correct solution would have been to upgrade to 7, resolve any issues, then proceed to 8.
732[04:32:16] <faca> howto boot in text mode !!!! this is a stupid question for you no ? please write for mi..... .text in kernel ? nomodeset ? etc ? any think work...
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734[04:32:49] <sypher> faca: What part of "not supported" are you having trouble understanding? We will not support your ill-conceived upgrade. Reinstall.
735[04:33:17] <faca> ok, i reinstall and after ? howto boot in text mode !!! ???
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737[04:33:34] <sypher> faca: Don't install a GUI/desktop environment during the install!
738[04:33:47] <faca> put text ni grub line ? kernel line... ? systemctl default...
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740[04:33:58] <faca> pfff it is a stupid solution !!!
741[04:34:03] <faca> you are no idea no ?
742[04:34:07] <sn0wmonster> abrotman: I'm not worried about mass adoption of systemd, that means nothing to me. I'm worried about it creating a greater attack surface or allowing for more malicious injection at boot from a nation state.
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744[04:34:19] <sn0wmonster> I just need to read more about it i suppose
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746[04:35:00] <sypher> faca: Enjoy your reinstall. Try not to break it again.
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755[04:36:59] <faca> sypher, reinstall is not an option, it takes hours configuring all services again and more hours making backups of dbs ...
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757[04:37:18] <sypher> faca: A wise man realizes when he does not have a choice.
758[04:37:26] <somiaj> faca: did you upgrade from squeeze (6) to jessie (8) without first upgrading to wheezy (7)?
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760[04:37:30] <sypher> somiaj: Yes.
761[04:37:40] <somiaj> sypher: I'm fairly srue that is the case
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764[04:38:02] <somiaj> faca: debian is not designed to skip releases, you most likely broke your install and it would be better to reinstall and recover than try to fix.
765[04:38:03] <sypher> somiaj: He's been told that he's botched his install and needs to reinstall.
766[04:38:13] <somiaj> sypher: yea I've told him once already too (:
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773[04:42:08] <sypher> faca: I fully understand the pain of a reinstall. That pain can be greatly reduced by reading documentation. Treat this as a learning experience.
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781[04:45:45] <faca> somiaj, therefore apt minimum should check this and warn the user! which he never did.
782[04:46:10] <faca> in 2016 year.....
783[04:46:19] <faca> IA for any stupid electronic device...a
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785[04:46:30] <faca> and apt don't show this question ? pff
786[04:47:09] <sypher> faca: It's not the system's fault that it did what you told it to do, and didn't read the documentation prior. If you want an OS that will hold your hand like a baby, go use WIndows.
787[04:47:24] <nevyn> sypher: not helpful.
788[04:47:32] <faca> pfff you are stupid sorry
789[04:47:43] <sypher> nevyn: Not intended to be. We've given him the information relevant to his problem and his next steps.
790[04:47:57] <somiaj> faca: did you read the release documentation for the upgrade first?
791[04:48:00] <sypher> faca: I'm not the one with the broken server. But good luck.
792[04:48:54] <faca> VGA init... pff... it is a baby os ...
793[04:48:59] <faca> systemd ? redhat shit ?
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795[04:49:05] <faca> and i is a baby ?
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797[04:49:10] <faca> debian = mandrake ? XDDD
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799[04:49:46] <jpleau> I think he is mad.
800[04:50:04] <psf> i couldn't even understand what he said lol
801[04:50:07] <sypher> jpleau: Best case, he'll realize the importance of reading release notes and documentation.
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803[04:50:21] <somiaj> faca: replaced-url
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807[04:51:34] <mykhailyk> he should've installed ubuntu instead initially
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831[05:03:34] <jmcnaught> i just read some of the backscroll, and i don't know if that angry person's system is salvageable or not, but they could have tried removing splash and adding systemd.unit=rescue.target to the kernel command line
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841[05:10:51] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
842[05:10:52] <AlexLikeRock> help
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859[05:18:04] <docmur> I just updated from wheezy to jessie and now when I try to start any KVM's I'm getting: "Unable to connect to libvirt, no connection drive available for qemu:/system
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865[05:19:15] <okee> Is this the correct way to change a volume name for these drives that I can't display replaced-url
866[05:19:26] <okee> I tried running fdisk -l, and nothing would display.
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868[05:22:05] <PryMar56> docmur, qemu:///system
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870[05:23:47] <docmur> If I try under virsh "connect qemu:///system" I get error: no connection driver available for qemu:/system
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873[05:24:39] <jmcnaught> docmur: are you a member of the libvirt group? do you have libvirt-daemon-system installed?
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875[05:25:11] <docmur> well I'm doing this as root right now and I'll check, this all worked before the upgrade
876[05:25:36] <docmur> yes i have libvirt-daemon-system
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878[05:26:35] <jmcnaught> okee: e2label can change labels for ext2, ext3, ext4 filesystems. if you prefer to use a GUI, there's also Disks aka gnome-disk-utility
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883[05:27:30] <blubee> hi guys is it possible to get the extra-cmake-modules-git package on debian?
884[05:27:52] <jmcnaught> docmur: kvm modules loaded?
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888[05:28:20] <jackcom> how can i install wireshark?
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890[05:28:45] <docmur> Oh it might be a SELinux issue! Failed to open file '/etc/selinux/default/contexts/virtual_domain_context': No such file or directory
891[05:28:58] <docmur> Which is odd as I have enforcing turned off
892[05:29:43] <jackcom> i need help
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894[05:29:46] <jackcom> hlp me
895[05:29:49] <jackcom> help me
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898[05:30:43] <jackcom> how can i install wireshark?
899[05:31:02] <jackcom> yum install wireshark?
900[05:31:14] <jmcnaught> jackcom: use "aptitude search <words go here>" to search for packages, "aptitude install <package name goes here>" to install them. refer to Debian primary sources whenever possible like the wiki and manuals on debian.org
901[05:31:16] <AlexLikeRock> Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists!
902[05:31:25] <AlexLikeRock> how to check , (runing)
903[05:31:45] <jackcom> jmcnaught: i don’t know
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905[05:32:58] <jackcom> how can i install wireshark on Debian. help me
906[05:33:58] <jmcnaught> AlexLikeRock: ps -fp $(pgrep mysql)
907[05:34:07] <docmur> Totally was a SELinux issue
908[05:34:16] <docmur> disabled it on boot and it's sound as a pound
909[05:34:24] <blubee> anyone here built any kde applications on debian?
910[05:34:25] <AlexLikeRock> # ps ax | grep mysql
911[05:34:26] <AlexLikeRock> 12120 pts/7 S+ 0:00 man mysql
912[05:34:26] <AlexLikeRock> 18401 pts/3 T 0:00 nano /etc/init.d/mysqld
913[05:34:26] <AlexLikeRock> 31285 pts/4 S+ 0:00 grep mysql
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916[05:34:37] <AlexLikeRock> sorry
917[05:34:44] <AlexLikeRock> jmcnaught, you see it ?
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919[05:34:59] <jml2> jackcom, what makes you think "yum" is a command for apt?
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921[05:35:45] <jackcom> i don’t know
922[05:36:02] <jmcnaught> AlexLikeRock: some of it i guess, not sure if it got cut off.
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924[05:36:05] <jackcom> i see who install program with yum
925[05:36:09] <jml2> jackcom, try again
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927[05:36:37] <jackcom> jml2: how can i install wireshark?
928[05:36:41] <jackcom> :(
929[05:36:42] <AlexLikeRock> jmcnaught, take a look replaced-url
930[05:36:45] <jml2> jackcom, here i am typing with my fingers only
931[05:36:52] <jml2> jackcom, you?
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933[05:37:14] <jmcnaught> jackcom: did you read what i said above about aptitude? "man aptitude" for more information. if you're new to Debian reading the Reference would do you some good, the second chapter is all about using the package manager: replaced-url
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935[05:37:32] <jackcom> thanks jmcnaught ;)
936[05:37:44] <jml2> i even gave him a command to do it. but he's so stubborn.
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938[05:38:08] <jmcnaught> AlexLikeRock: that's not the output of the command i gave you
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943[05:38:54] <AlexLikeRock> jmcnaught, replaced-url
944[05:39:08] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
945[05:39:17] <jackcom> aptitude install wireshark?
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950[05:40:58] <jmcnaught> AlexLikeRock: did you check if /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock exists? what does "apt-cache policy mysql-server" say (or are you using mariadb-server)?
951[05:41:35] <AlexLikeRock> no exist
952[05:41:39] <AlexLikeRock> i delete
953[05:41:45] <AlexLikeRock> create ????
954[05:41:56] <AlexLikeRock> /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
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956[05:42:22] <jmcnaught> AlexLikeRock: tell us the story of what brought you to this point. what happened right before this?
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958[05:43:46] <okee> jmcnaught> Does Debian also like the cdroms/dvdrws to be in media as well? As in /media/asd/ ??
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960[05:45:13] <jml2> okee, gnomevfs handles things into media
961[05:45:34] <jml2> okee, would likely be /media/<username>/volname
962[05:45:55] <AlexLikeRock> jmcnaught, i just wan a start mysql
963[05:46:09] <okee> jm12> What about cdroms? ARe they too in /media/<username>/volume?
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965[05:46:17] <themill> AlexLikeRock: you will have done more than that
966[05:46:19] <AlexLikeRock> i use before , and create tables
967[05:46:47] <AlexLikeRock> the problem begain at UPDATE mysql
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970[05:46:55] <jmcnaught> AlexLikeRock: why did you delete it? i understand you want to start mysql, but you need to tell us more about what's going on, what steps lead you here so we can suggest how to undo them
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973[05:47:39] <AlexLikeRock> take look
974[05:47:44] <AlexLikeRock> i do this replaced-url
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978[05:47:53] <okee> I still have this Floppy Disk entry showing up in the menu, even though I shut it off in the bios.
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980[05:48:25] <AlexLikeRock> and now this replaced-url
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982[05:48:38] <k-man> gah, i hate it how google shows me ubuntu results everytime i search for anything debian
983[05:49:00] <k-man> its like someone at google just put a (debian===ubuntu) in their algorithm or something
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985[05:50:16] <k-man> I'm running into this bug: replaced-url
986[05:50:17] <judd> Bug replaced-url
987[05:50:30] <k-man> it says its fixed, but I guess thats just in testing. how do i get that fix on jessie?
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989[05:50:52] <noooo--> modprobe: FATAL: Module wl not found in directory /lib/modules/4.3.0-1-amd64
990[05:51:18] <noooo--> 07:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01)
991[05:51:30] <noooo--> i followed replaced-url
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993[05:52:25] <jmcnaught> AlexLikeRock: it seems you don't like providing details. what kind of upgrade was it, a major release? what does "apt-cache policy" say for the mysql-server package? i'm going to stop responding if you don't provide more info, or if it's split up on multiple lines. good luck :)
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995[05:54:46] <jmcnaught> noooo--: did you get any errors while following those steps? do you have linux-headers-amd64 installed from backports?
996[05:55:02] <noooo--> all is out of the box
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998[05:55:44] <AlexLikeRock> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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1002[05:56:31] <AlexLikeRock> jmcnaught, replaced-url
1003[05:56:35] <noooo--> apt-get install linux-image-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') broadcom-sta-dkms
1004[05:56:49] <jmcnaught> noooo--: you're using a kernel from backports, you need the corresponding headers package too, or else a package like that will fail to build its kernel module. backports is not out of the box
1005[05:56:52] <noooo--> linux-headers-amd64 is already the newest version (4.4+71).
1006[05:56:52] <noooo--> linux-image-amd64 is already the newest version (4.4+71).
1007[05:56:52] <noooo--> broadcom-sta-dkms is already the newest version (6.30.223.271-2).
1008[05:57:04] <noooo--> im using debian stretch
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1010[05:58:06] <jmcnaught> noooo--: yet your error above is looking for modules in /lib/modules/4.3.0-1-amd64
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1012[05:58:39] <noooo--> alright but i installed debian stretch then followed the tutorial
1013[05:58:40] <noooo--> so now what
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1017[06:00:41] <jml2> do people still use broadcom and expect it to be any good?
1018[06:00:44] <jmcnaught> noooo--: "aptitude search ~nlinux-headers" to look for linux-headers packages available, install the one that matches the kernel you're using. then you'll probably need to reinstall that package that provides wl. you might get better assistance in the stretch channel, #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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1020[06:01:05] <jmcnaught> noooo--: or figure out why you're still booting into 4.3 when you have 4.4 installed
1021[06:01:07] <noooo--> thnx
1022[06:01:19] <AlexLikeRock> jmcnaught, help
1023[06:02:14] <jmcnaught> AlexLikeRock: seems you're on stretch/unstable too. maybe ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, or look for relevant bugs on bugs.debain.org
1024[06:02:19] <themill> AlexLikeRock: you've not actually said what you did.
1025[06:02:23] <AlexLikeRock> stech
1026[06:02:32] <AlexLikeRock> #debian-next no exist
1027[06:02:45] <themill> it's still on irc.oftc.net
1028[06:02:47] <markedsea> On OFTC.
1029[06:03:39] <AlexLikeRock> Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)'
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1038[06:09:08] <AlexLikeRock> themill, i just need start mysql
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1040[06:09:55] <jml2> AlexLikeRock, maybe firewall?
1041[06:10:04] <AlexLikeRock> i dont have
1042[06:10:29] <jml2> AlexLikeRock, maybe mysql is not listening on that unix socket
1043[06:10:33] <themill> AlexLikeRock: you went from a working installation to a broken installation. What changed?
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1045[06:10:52] <AlexLikeRock> jmcnaught, how to test jml2 ?
1046[06:11:04] <AlexLikeRock> version
1047[06:11:09] <jml2> AlexLikeRock, lsof -n |grep mysqld.sock
1048[06:11:18] <AlexLikeRock> themill , on ly version
1049[06:11:24] <themill> jml2: it seems unable to create the socket
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1051[06:11:28] <themill> AlexLikeRock: from what to what?
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1053[06:11:43] <AlexLikeRock> 5.0 to 5.5
1054[06:12:03] <AlexLikeRock> # lsof -n |grep mysqld.sock
1055[06:12:03] <AlexLikeRock> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs
1056[06:12:03] <AlexLikeRock> Output information may be incomplete.
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1058[06:12:21] <themill> AlexLikeRock: no, that's not the versions involved.
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1060[06:12:56] <themill> AlexLikeRock: what's the output of "aptitude versions ~nmysql~i"
1061[06:13:53] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
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1064[06:14:52] <themill> mysql-server-5.6 is not installed properly
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1066[06:15:55] <jml2> AlexLikeRock, so it looks with lsof shows nothing, so there's nothing listening on the unix socket for it, may be 127.0.0.1:3306 though, that you would use -h with mysql
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1070[06:17:52] <AlexLikeRock> removing...
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1074[06:20:10] <AlexLikeRock> reinstaling..
1075[06:22:18] <AlexLikeRock> not confiured
1076[06:22:20] <AlexLikeRock> -.-
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1079[06:24:50] <themill> Any chance you'll show us the full output and all the relevant logs?
1080[06:25:05] <okee> Is there a way to automate the mount process? I feel I am seeing stars, trying to figure out which drive and partition belongs to what.
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1091[06:33:28] <okee> I am headed to sleep. Please memoserv me if you have something profound that I should know about.
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1104[06:38:46] <leahcim> Hi, is this the place to whine about a security bug in APT that hasn't been fixed in half a decade? :P
1105[06:38:59] <nevyn> okee: mount process?
1106[06:39:09] <nevyn> okee: man /etc/fstab ?
1107[06:39:15] <nevyn> or during the install?
1108[06:39:49] <okee> nevyn> The problem I have is that I can't figure out which partitions go with which labels.
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1110[06:39:53] <nevyn> leahcim: that's what the bts is for.
1111[06:40:23] <nevyn> why do you care that's why we have labels.
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1113[06:42:11] <AlexLikeRock> 2016-03-21 22:34:55 6384 [ERROR] Can't start server : Bind on unix socket: Permission denied
1114[06:42:11] <AlexLikeRock> 2016-03-21 22:34:55 6384 [ERROR] Do you already have another mysqld server running on socket: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock ?
1115[06:42:11] <AlexLikeRock> 2016-03-21 22:34:55 6384 [ERROR] Aborting
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1117[06:42:26] <nevyn> okee: so if your /etc/fstab has LABEL=blah / .... why do you want to change it?
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1121[06:43:36] <nevyn> okee: if you have a significant number of 'disks' to manage I strongly reccomend lvm
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1124[06:45:21] <leahcim> nevyn: I'll rephrase, a security bug in APT that's been languishing in the BTS for half a decade :P
1125[06:45:24] <okee> nevyn> I will research it in the morning. Thanks
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1223[07:49:01] <daniel-s> Hey
1224[07:49:13] <daniel-s> In Libreoffice I just printed something to "generic printer".
1225[07:49:17] <daniel-s> What is that?
1226[07:49:26] <daniel-s> I thought it might be a .pdf printer or something.
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1234[07:57:21] <choice> Hello! After some years of using Mint Mate on the desktop, I installed Debian 8. It's too rought around the edges. Is there an easy way to change to Cinnamon?
1235[07:58:09] <somiaj> !cinnamon
1236[07:58:09] <dpkg> Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged since Debian 8 "Jessie", ask me about <install cinnamon>. replaced-url
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1238[07:58:16] <somiaj> !install cinnamon
1239[07:58:16] <dpkg> To install <Cinnamon> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install cinnamon-desktop-environment». To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Cinnamon" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages.
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1241[07:58:40] <somiaj> choice: install the package cinnamon-desktop-environment, then when you are logging in you should be able to select it as your desktop to use
1242[07:58:41] <choice> ok, will try apt-get install cinnamon-desktop-environment
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1246[08:00:23] <choice> I'm a bit confused about how that will interplay with my existing Mate desktop.
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1248[08:00:44] <somiaj> it should work just fine
1249[08:00:48] <choice> For example I installed a thingy to let me edit the main menu. Will that be in Cinnamon then too?
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1253[08:01:15] <somiaj> it depends on how this thingy actually worked, and how they split up the config files will be different
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1255[08:01:45] <choice> Yeah.. so it will not be like a fresh Cinnamon install.
1256[08:01:50] <somiaj> correct
1257[08:02:06] <somiaj> now it will use some of the same apps and have some of hte same configurations, exmpale gtk2 themes will still be set, etc
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1260[08:02:44] <choice> yeah.. so i will not know if the bugs i encounter are due to config or due to debian. hmm...
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1262[08:02:51] <choice> I will try it anyhow.
1263[08:02:59] <choice> Nothing to loose.
1264[08:03:17] <george_> only a little bit of time
1265[08:03:56] <choice> The problems I have are mainly about stuff not exising / not working. So I guess the same will happen under Cinnamon then.
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1271[08:04:53] <choice> Or maybe Cinnamon works completely different. I don't know. I never tried it.
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1292[08:16:59] <Guest45854> Hey I was wondering if someone would here could help me with an issue; I'm using Jessie with the cinnamon DE and when I installed on this system, it ahs me stuck in 'Software rendering mode'
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1298[08:17:59] <Guest45854> I think it's due to me having conflicts with my AMD card- I have an R9 390 but the system information says I have a 290.
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1300[08:18:32] <choice> Ok, Cinnamon installed... rebooting...
1301[08:19:12] <Guest45854> Hmm?
1302[08:19:52] <Guest45854> or is that in response to something else? haha
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1306[08:21:01] <choice> There we have it... Cinnamon!
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1308[08:22:22] <choice> Hmm... so how do I start applications? In Mate, when I want to start firefox, I do: ALT+F1 i f
1309[08:22:39] <choice> ALT+F1 brings up the main menu, i goes to internet and f starts firefox.
1310[08:22:44] <choice> How is the way in Cinnamon?
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1315[08:26:12] <somiaj> choice: this I do not know, maybe look up a cinnamon keybindings in google
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1317[08:26:30] <choice> Yeah, I tried googling. Found nothing convinient.
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1319[08:26:42] <choice> Looks like Cinnamon wants you to use a search bar to start applications.
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1322[08:26:59] <choice> Similar to Ubuntu. That's one of the reasons I don't use Ubuntu.
1323[08:27:01] <somiaj> it says the windows key opens the menu?
1324[08:27:12] <choice> Yes, and then the cursor is in the search bar.
1325[08:27:21] <somiaj> I wouldn't know, I haven't tested it out.
1326[08:27:26] <choice> So whatever you type then goes into the search bar.
1327[08:27:45] <choice> Way too many keystrokes to launch something.
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1334[08:29:26] <Guest45854> choice, you're using cinnamon?
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1337[08:29:37] <choice> Guest45854: Well, I installed it 10minutes ago.
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1339[08:30:22] <Guest45854> go to the start menu, type in keyboard, go there and choose keyboard shortcuts
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1341[08:30:51] <Guest45854> I don't know if there's a custom one or not- on Debian the default is iceweasel
1342[08:31:16] <Guest45854> But I set the custom shortcut to be Ctrl-Alt-F because I'm weird
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1344[08:31:53] <Guest45854> If you have firefox, I believe the command is just 'firefox'
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1346[08:32:12] <Guest45854> and then you just put in the keyboard shortcut you desire. 8)
1347[08:32:48] <Guest45854> I'm using my Mint system as reference though, not sure if it carries over to Jessie- I'm a new Jessie user myself, also using cinnamon
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1349[08:33:51] <choice> Guest45854: Sure, I can start firefox like this in Cinnamon: "<Win-key> f i r e f o x <return>". But prefer Mints "<ALT-F1> i f".
1350[08:34:25] <choice> It's not only shorter, but has more logic. ALT+F1 goes to the main menu. i goes to internet. F starts firefox because its the only application in internet starting with f.
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1356[08:35:25] <roger21> dpkg
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1359[08:36:01] <Guest45854> choice, well what I told you is how to create your own custom keyboard shortcut- you could probably do the same key bind if you want
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1363[08:36:56] <choice> Guest45854: Yeah, but it would not have the same logic. I think I will stay with Debian 8 and Cinnamon for a week to get to know it. And if I still don't like it, I will try the latest Mint Mate.
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1372[08:38:32] <choice> It's strange.. since Gnome 2 I have not seen any improvement in Desktop interfaces. But instead I see regressions all the time.
1373[08:38:39] <simonlnu> ,v mate-desktop
1374[08:38:40] <judd> Package: mate-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-3+deb8u1; sid: 1.12.1-1; stretch: 1.12.1-1
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1377[08:38:58] <choice> simonlnu: I started out with Debian 8 and Mate a week ago. It's too buggy.
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1382[08:39:36] <choice> I already spent hours of fiddling with it and it's still broken.
1383[08:39:38] <jackcom> ifconfig
1384[08:39:38] <jackcom> bash: ifconfig: command not found <—— what’s wrong?
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1387[08:39:47] <simonlnu> i change desktop like i change my shorts. once a day
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1389[08:39:56] <choice> jackcom: apt-get install ifconfig
1390[08:40:02] <jackcom> lol
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1393[08:40:06] <jackcom> thanks choice ;)
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1397[08:40:49] <simonlnu> not really, but i don't stick to just one. and i mix'n'match apps
1398[08:41:22] <jackcom> 3. Can you find the IP address of any of your directly connected routers? <—— choice ?
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1400[08:42:01] <choice> simonlnu: I have a lot of computers. I usually have one where I try an alternative OS and all the others run my favorite OS. ATM the alternative one is Debian 8 (now with Cinnamon) and the others are Mint Mate.
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1411[08:44:34] <p3rror> Hello all
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1415[08:46:24] <jackcom> vim TCPEchoClient4.c
1416[08:46:25] <jackcom> -su: vim: command not found <—— what’s wrong?
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1418[08:46:44] <p3rror> whereis vim
1419[08:46:59] <jackcom> p3rror: how can i do?
1420[08:47:08] <p3rror> run this command :
1421[08:47:13] <p3rror> whereis vim
1422[08:47:39] <jackcom> vim: /usr/bin/vim.tiny /etc/vim /usr/share/vim /usr/share/man/man1/vim.1.gz
1423[08:47:46] <jackcom> yes next? p3rror ?
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1426[08:48:17] <p3rror> ln -s /usr/bin/vim.tiny /usr/bin/vim
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1428[08:48:38] <jackcom> apt-get install vim?
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1430[08:48:50] <jackcom> p3rror: ?
1431[08:48:58] <p3rror> you have a lighweight vim version installed
1432[08:49:16] <jackcom> i want heavy version
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1434[08:49:20] <p3rror> you can run yum install vim
1435[08:49:25] <p3rror> right
1436[08:49:36] <jackcom> yum?
1437[08:49:42] <jackcom> apt-get install vim?
1438[08:49:44] <p3rror> srry
1439[08:49:51] <p3rror> I mean apt-get install vim
1440[08:49:55] <jackcom> oh
1441[08:49:56] <jackcom> thanks
1442[08:49:58] <Rico> p3rror: :)
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1444[08:50:10] <p3rror> Im' on many channels
1445[08:50:17] <jackcom> i can i stall with apge@#DXd install vim?
1446[08:50:18] <Rico> yes, I know that :)
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1449[08:50:31] <p3rror> so rhel debian and ubuntu
1450[08:50:31] <jackcom> i can install with apge@#DXd install vim?
1451[08:50:39] <Rico> I often have the "aptitude: command not found" or "yum command not found" :)
1452[08:50:39] <p3rror> I'm little bit confused
1453[08:50:40] <jackcom> p3rror: ?
1454[08:50:58] <jackcom> aptitude install vim?
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1472[09:05:02] <jackcom> i can’t see file on Desktop? what’s wrong?
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1487[09:10:43] <jackcom> i can’t see file on Desktop? what’s wrong?
1488[09:10:50] <jackcom> :x
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1491[09:11:05] <jackcom> oh Debian is very inconbinient
1492[09:11:16] <jackcom> inconvinient
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1502[09:14:35] <jackcom> help me
1503[09:14:36] <jackcom> plz
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1506[09:15:12] <donoban> jackcom: vim is a terminal program, maybe it doesn't have icon
1507[09:15:17] <donoban> did you install gvim also?
1508[09:15:45] <jackcom> gvim --version
1509[09:15:46] <jackcom> bash: gvim: command not found
1510[09:15:50] <donoban> :)
1511[09:15:58] <donoban> install it
1512[09:16:01] <jackcom> how?
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1514[09:16:09] <donoban> aptitude install gvim
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1516[09:16:12] <donoban> or apt-get install vim
1517[09:16:13] <jackcom> oh
1518[09:16:14] <donoban> or apt-get install gvim
1519[09:16:20] <jackcom> aptitude install gvim
1520[09:16:23] <donoban> yes
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1523[09:17:42] <jackcom> gvim --version
1524[09:17:43] <jackcom> -su: gvim: command not found
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1528[09:18:10] <jackcom> aptitude install gvim
1529[09:18:11] <jackcom> "gvim" is a virtual package provided by:
1530[09:18:12] <jackcom> vim-gtk vim-gnome vim-athena
1531[09:18:13] <jackcom> You must choose one to install.
1532[09:18:14] <jackcom> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed
1533[09:18:15] <jackcom> donoban:
1534[09:18:27] <jackcom> very hard now
1535[09:18:29] <donoban> you should select one
1536[09:18:34] <donoban> use vim-gtk e.g.
1537[09:18:41] <jackcom> ok
1538[09:18:44] <donoban> I don't know the differences
1539[09:18:48] <donoban> maybe you can see some screenshots
1540[09:18:49] <donoban> wait
1541[09:19:26] <jackcom> vim-gnoe is good?
1542[09:19:28] <donoban> replaced-url
1543[09:19:41] <donoban> replaced-url
1544[09:19:58] <donoban> replaced-url
1545[09:20:18] <jackcom> then vim-gtk
1546[09:20:32] <donoban> I think I always used vim-gtk
1547[09:21:23] <jackcom> donoban: i can’t see file too
1548[09:21:34] <jackcom> why i can’t see file :(
1549[09:21:41] <donoban> what you mean?
1550[09:21:42] <donoban> icon?
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1552[09:22:08] <jackcom> TCPEchoClient.c
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1554[09:22:27] <jackcom> i can see it with ‘ls’ but i can’t see it on Desktop
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1560[09:22:45] <jackcom> ls
1561[09:22:46] <jackcom> TCPEchoClient.c
1562[09:22:47] <donoban> could you paste the ouput of pwd?
1563[09:23:06] <b3d0u1n> Is Squeeze backports dead?
1564[09:23:12] <jackcom> pwd
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1566[09:23:27] <donoban> probably you are at /home/your_user_name/
1567[09:23:29] <jackcom> pwd
1568[09:23:30] <jackcom> ——/home/mycom/Desktop
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1570[09:23:45] <donoban> are you using gnome as desktop?
1571[09:23:52] <jackcom> i don’t know
1572[09:24:04] <jackcom> how can i know it?
1573[09:24:09] <donoban> well, do you see the file with a file manager?
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1575[09:24:29] <jackcom> yes
1576[09:24:43] <jackcom> i can see it with File
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1578[09:24:51] <jackcom> Files
1579[09:24:52] <donoban> does it looks this? replaced-url
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1581[09:25:51] <jackcom> it looks like left
1582[09:25:53] <jackcom> one
1583[09:26:15] <donoban> it's gnome
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1585[09:26:24] <donoban> maybe it doesn't use Desktop folder as desktop icons
1586[09:26:25] <jackcom> yeah
1587[09:26:29] <donoban> I don't use it sorry
1588[09:26:36] <donoban> can't help with it
1589[09:26:42] <jackcom> lol
1590[09:26:54] <donoban> is it gvim working?
1591[09:26:59] <jackcom> yes
1592[09:27:04] <jackcom> it works well
1593[09:27:09] <donoban> :)
1594[09:27:24] <jackcom> why i can’t see file on Desktop ;(
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1596[09:27:37] <donoban> probably is not Debian related
1597[09:27:38] <donoban> wait
1598[09:27:46] <jackcom> yeah
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1601[09:28:17] <donoban> maybe this helps jackcom replaced-url
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1603[09:28:33] <donoban> "By default with Gnome 3, desktop icons and the ability to right click on the desktop is disabled. I will show you how to enable it."
1604[09:29:16] <beepbopboop> Hey, I was wondering if anyone knew how to have multiple desktop environments installed? I have cinnamon but would also like to have KDE as an option when booting up
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1606[09:29:37] <beepbopboop> I look up KDE in synaptic but there is soooooo many KDE packages
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1608[09:29:50] <somiaj> beepbopboop: just isntall kde, nothign special should need to be done
1609[09:30:13] <somiaj> beepbopboop: it just takes up the desktop space, you'll want to install all the package from the kde-standard or whatever the desktop pacakge is called
1610[09:30:16] <somiaj> !install kde
1611[09:30:17] <dpkg> The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue".
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1613[09:32:31] <beepbopboop> Hmm
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1615[09:33:11] <beepbopboop> So here's the thing
1616[09:33:46] <beepbopboop> My computer boots and it's stuck in software rendering mode
1617[09:34:08] <beepbopboop> and I think it may be an issue with amd having shit support for it
1618[09:34:28] <beepbopboop> and I don't know where my rambling's going, I've been trying to sovle this shit for like 8 hours straight
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1621[09:35:01] <babilen> dpkg: tell beepbopboop -about install kde
1622[09:35:26] <babilen> beepbopboop: Also provide more information about your GPU if you want us to help you. The output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" would do nicely.
1623[09:35:35] <beepbopboop> I ran that
1624[09:35:39] <beepbopboop> I have a R9 390
1625[09:35:44] <beepbopboop> but it says it's a 290
1626[09:35:53] <beepbopboop> I was in here earlier and I just kinda got ignored
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1628[09:36:07] <beepbopboop> I've been looking through all this driver bullshit
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1630[09:36:28] <beepbopboop> and it says the proprietary drivers doesn't support GNOME
1631[09:36:39] <beepbopboop> so assuming that cinnamon has issues because of that
1632[09:36:59] <beepbopboop> it says to just use the free driver- I checked that and I have those drivers at the latest version.
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1634[09:37:18] <dosya> hellol. i was asking about unable to ping host 2 until i ping myself from it. i found source of problem. arping returns 2 mac addresses.
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1636[09:37:42] <guestqwewq> Hello. How to log "remaining processes"? How to know their names? "systemd-shutdown[1]: Sending SIGTERM to remaining processes..."
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1640[09:39:10] <beepbopboop> babilen ...so I'm trying to see if KDE would solve the problem... lol, don't know if I need standard or one of the others to test that
1641[09:39:17] <beepbopboop> My internet is complete garbage
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1643[09:39:35] <darsie> Hey, my debian imported photos today :).
1644[09:39:39] <babilen> I would be surprised if your desktop environment changes anything about that
1645[09:40:06] <beepbopboop> "This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop, as it does not support the EGL interface."
1646[09:40:14] <beepbopboop> replaced-url
1647[09:40:47] <tlund> How can I list all installed packages that come from a previous version of debian, that no longer exist in the current version?
1648[09:41:07] <jackcom> donoban: thanks i got it for your help ;)
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1650[09:41:29] <donoban> nice
1651[09:41:38] <jackcom> :)
1652[09:41:52] <tlund> if the package version contains "deb7u" or "squeeze", you can see that with dpkg-query -l, but all packets do not have a version like this
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1654[09:43:04] <themill> tlund: after doing an upgrade or just in general without installing?
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1662[09:46:27] <beepbopboop> babilen, what do you think could be the issue if not that?
1663[09:47:34] <babilen> beepbopboop: You are missing hardware rendering for your GPU. If you were to provide the output of the command I mentioned or *some* details about your GPU we might be able to provide pointers on how to resolve it.
1664[09:48:03] <beepbopboop> I just...
1665[09:48:06] <tlund> themill: this box has been upgraded throu at last 3 previous debian versions
1666[09:48:08] <beepbopboop> UGH let me do it again then
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1669[09:48:23] <babilen> As you, for some reason, mentioned replaced-url
1670[09:48:39] <beepbopboop> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Hawaii PRO [Radeon R9 290] [1002:67b1] (rev 80)
1671[09:48:58] <babilen> dpkg: tell beepbopboop -about radeon
1672[09:49:00] <babilen> dpkg: tell beepbopboop -about radeon firmware
1673[09:49:02] <beepbopboop> I actually have a R9 390, but it says that
1674[09:49:31] <babilen> How new is that GPU?
1675[09:49:46] <beepbopboop> I've had this since October
1676[09:49:53] <babilen> dpkg: tell beepbopboop -about radeon firmware
1677[09:50:13] <beepbopboop> If you're talking about the actual release date... I think some time in mid 2015
1678[09:50:21] <babilen> "You already asked me something 2 seconds ago." -- yes, dpkg, humans think fast!
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1682[09:52:09] <tlund> very uggly hack, possibly working: for PKG in $(dpkg-query -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}') ; do echo -ne "$PKG: " ; apt-cache policy $PKG | egrep jessie | head -1 ; done
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1684[09:52:15] <babilen> beepbopboop: In that case you might require a newer kernel and Xorg module. You might even have to install fglrx. I'd start by installing libgl1-mesa-dri and firmware-linux-nonfree and reboot. If that doesn't work I'd upgrade the kernel and try again. Once you've done that you can install fglrx-driver from jessie-backports according to the instructions on replaced-url
1685[09:52:22] <babilen> Jessie.22
1686[09:53:19] <babilen> You'd just use "aptitude -r -t jessie-backports install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-driver" after following replaced-url
1687[09:53:31] <babilen> dpkg: which repo
1688[09:53:31] <dpkg> To see what repository a package may have come from, try replaced-url
1689[09:53:35] <babilen> tlund: ^
1690[09:54:18] <tlund> thanks babilen! i was on the right track at least :)
1691[09:54:33] <babilen> Absolutely
1692[09:54:58] <beepbopboop> Jesus Christ... hahaha
1693[09:55:21] <babilen> Not yet
1694[09:55:48] <beepbopboop> Well thanks a lot for the help, I'm gonna save all this text for later- 8+ hours straight is already giving me a migraine
1695[09:55:58] <babilen> beepbopboop: Sure, all the best!
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1698[09:56:36] <beepbopboop> and sorry for being a bit of a prick, this has just been bothering me so much... haha
1699[09:57:08] <beepbopboop> on top of the other unfortunate drawback of gaming on Linux vs. Windows. :(
1700[09:57:09] <babilen> Just leave it be for now, try the things above and sort it out tomorrow :)
1701[09:57:23] <beepbopboop> Yeah, for sure.
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1709[10:01:39] <fireba11> is there any reasonable way to find out what mainboard works with an old kernel (read: is able to access sata discs)? got an old debian image i'm trying to start that does not acree with current hardware :-D
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1739[10:14:12] <Rico> hello
1740[10:14:22] <Rico> I have problems with xl2tpd on debian jessie
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1742[10:14:31] <Rico> does anybody here use it ?
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1746[10:15:19] <bazhang> whats the actual problem Rico
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1748[10:15:57] <Rico> I still have an "Tunnel auth failed for mismatch" error in logs. Passwords are OK (tested on a centos box)
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1750[10:16:22] <Rico> I don't know where to look for
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1779[10:22:49] <roger21> what would be the way to count the number of each identical lines in a file?
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1784[10:24:37] <Rico> diff between wc -l and cat <file> |uniq|wc -l
1785[10:25:02] <Rico> maybe
1786[10:25:20] <roger21> just found, it's uniq -c
1787[10:25:32] <roger21> (previously sorted)
1788[10:26:07] <themill> tlund: "aptitude search ~o" (/msg dpkg obsolete)
1789[10:26:42] <tlund> ah, thanks themill
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1825[10:44:25] <superlinux> I am in need of help in installing the hpsa driver please. I was able to compile it. I need to know how to install it and run it. thanks.
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1849[10:51:33] <superlinux> I am in need of help in installing the hpsa driver please. I was able to compile it. I need to know how to install it and run it. thanks.
1850[10:52:07] <bazhang> whats the package name superlinux
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1852[10:52:29] <jelly> superlinux: you shouldn't have to build it, it's present in debian 8 kernel.
1853[10:52:36] <superlinux> I downloaded the tarball from the original source
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1855[10:53:02] <superlinux> jelly it should be updated.
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1857[10:53:48] <superlinux> current version in debian is 3.4.4-1
1858[10:53:55] <jelly> superlinux: why? which debian release are you using? did you try the kernel from jessie-backports?
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1860[10:54:14] <rdz> is there a chance to get packages for squeeze?
1861[10:54:36] <rdz> i'm not concerned about security updates, but i would like to install some packages on squeeze machine
1862[10:54:39] <jelly> rdz: squeeze has been archived. /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list
1863[10:54:55] <rdz> jelly
1864[10:55:00] <jelly> rdz!
1865[10:55:01] <rdz> jelly, thanks a lot
1866[10:55:05] <superlinux> debian 8 with backports
1867[10:55:19] <superlinux> the latest debian 8
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1869[10:56:08] <superlinux> the latest published hpsa drive is 3.4.12
1870[10:56:19] <superlinux> so there is much has happened since
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1874[10:57:29] <superlinux> jelly, my mistake. sorry.
1875[10:57:41] <superlinux> i am still on 3.16.x
1876[10:57:48] <superlinux> the kernel version
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1878[10:58:04] <superlinux> I am downloading now the 4.3 kernel
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1882[10:59:45] <unborn> morning guys.. I have some difficulties to mount ntfs partition to my system via terminal.. I can mount usb disk into system can read but cannot delete or write.. can anyone help me with this?
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1891[11:02:22] <fireba11> unborn: sounds like you use the old version of the ntfs-tools, those only allowed read access since they were not completely stable with writing
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1896[11:03:08] <unborn> fireba11: thanks for reply.. how come, I installed netinstall just last night ( also downloaded iso last night )
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1904[11:06:09] <frostschutz> unborn, what command do you use to mount? you need -t ntfs-3g not -t ntfs
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1908[11:07:00] <unborn> frostschutz: mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/1tbdisk - I am logged in as root (in terminal)
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1911[11:07:35] <frostschutz> unborn, ntfs-3g is installed?
1912[11:07:41] <unborn> frostschutz: that gives me mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs-3g'
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1916[11:09:22] <unborn> frostschutz: i think so.. replaced-url
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1920[11:10:20] <frostschutz> unborn, apt-get install ntfs-3g?
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1922[11:10:49] <unborn> oh
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1924[11:11:11] <unborn> frostschutz: do I need to reboot after install is done?
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1926[11:11:25] <unborn> I thought it is installed already
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1935[11:15:16] <unborn> frostschutz: thank you for your help! that did the trick.. I really thought it was installed already meh...stupid I am :)
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1938[11:17:55] <fireba11> :-D
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2016[11:55:22] <Caterpillar> Salve. $ locale -a non mi mostra it_IT.utf8 come posso aggiungerlo?
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2039[12:02:51] <bluenemo> hi guys. I'm using debian 8 and just setup auditd. It currently logs stuff even with no rules configured, for example when sbd logs in via ssh. I thought it would only eval /etc/audit/audit.rules (and rules.d/*) ? I have nothing configured there but -D and -b 320
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2043[12:03:41] <bluenemo> however when I grep -ri for audit in /etc/pam* it does not find anything configured there
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2048[12:04:27] <bluenemo> My goal is to have it just log write and metadata changes to a specific file (and not log anything else, or understand why it does so at least :)
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2059[12:09:20] <ghostinzshell> I have three extensions in Chromium that cannot be disable and always activate themselves during incognito.
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2061[12:09:52] <ghostinzshell> I've attempted to reinstall Chromium several times and these extensions are still present.
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2063[12:10:04] <ghostinzshell> Any possible soutions?
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2066[12:11:15] <ksk> ghostinzshell: did you delete your profile?
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2068[12:11:32] <ghostinzshell> ksk: I've tried deleting ~/.config/chromium
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2072[12:11:52] <rozie> ghostinzshell: there should be delete icon in extension tab
2073[12:12:14] <vyadhaka1> I couldn't find sagemath in the std repos, is there a linux dist with main math software that is maintained,eg - sagemath, scilab, octave, ...
2074[12:12:17] <ghostinzshell> rozie: Nope, disable and delete were greyed out.
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2076[12:12:33] <ghostinzshell> The extensions are Chromium PDF Viewer, Bookmark Manager and CryptoToken Extension
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2084[12:14:31] <rozie> I'd grep -i CryptoToken on the home directory, including hidden dirs
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2094[12:19:19] <ghostinzshell> rozie: Alright, let me try that.
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2110[12:25:04] <ghostinzshell> rozie: As of now, grep hasn't turned in anything that seems useful
2111[12:25:11] <ghostinzshell> rozie: Would a screenshot of my extensions page be helpful?
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2139[12:33:14] <rozie> ghostinzshell: I'm afraid not. I don't use chromium too often
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2179[12:50:04] <Stargazers> Hi! Does any other have issues with Lynx when loading azlyrics.com?
2180[12:50:33] <Stargazers> On some other lynx users it works, but is it broken on Devian?
2181[12:50:35] <Stargazers> *Debian.
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2183[12:50:44] <Stargazers> Can somebody of you test it? I have installed from repositories.
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2185[12:55:19] <ksk> Stargazers: works for me. whats your problem with lynx on that page anyway?
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2187[12:55:33] <Stargazers> ksk: Thanks for testing! A moment, I will paste the error message.
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2189[12:56:04] <Stargazers> "Alert!: Unexpected network read error; connection aborted."
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2194[12:56:27] <Stargazers> Lynx Version 2.8.8dev.12 (22 Feb 2012) <-- My lynx version installed from repositories
2195[12:56:40] <Stargazers> I have debian 7.
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2205[13:01:47] <ravegen> How can i create a user whose role is only to login and shutdown computer?
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2208[13:02:08] <ksk> Stargazers: its an underlying network error, it has nothing to do with lynx, I would say.
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2211[13:02:24] <Stargazers> ksk: Hm... thanks for the idea, gotta check that with wget or similar
2212[13:02:37] <Stargazers> ksk: True dat.
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2214[13:02:47] <ksk> how about "ping azlyrics.com" or "nc azlyrics.com 80 -vf"
2215[13:02:51] <Stargazers> ksk: Not receive data from that URL with wget
2216[13:02:55] <ksk> eh, just -v, no f
2217[13:03:00] <Stargazers> Ping answers.
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2219[13:03:13] <ravegen> How can i create a user whose role is only to login and shutdown computer?
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2222[13:03:26] <Stargazers> Warning: inverse host lookup failed for 5.79.69.118:
2223[13:03:27] <tulphoon> ravegen, why do you need that for?
2224[13:03:53] <Stargazers> ksk: Thanks for the idea! Good to know that I should not spend my time with to search answer from lynx
2225[13:04:04] <Stargazers> ksk: Because the issue is something else :)
2226[13:04:31] <ravegen> Becausr i need that i will be the only one to do setups and configs but at the end of the days, the computer still needs to be shutdown
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2232[13:06:18] <jelly> Stargazers: lynx replaced-url
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2234[13:06:51] <Stargazers> jelly: Ok, thank you very much.
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2236[13:07:14] <Stargazers> ravegen: If it always same time, you can do it as a root in cron automatically?
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2238[13:07:34] <ravegen> Not same time though
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2241[13:08:09] <tulphoon> ravegen, like the person will be able to do stuff, but not as super-user, yes?
2242[13:08:25] <ksk> ravegen: Id suggest using sudo and "command=" syntax in ssh authorized_keys file :)
2243[13:08:38] <ravegen> Do only shutdown but not super usrr
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2251[13:14:14] <ravegen> None?
2252[13:14:44] <Stargazers> Sorry, dunno. Never tried to do that.
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2254[13:16:05] <tulphoon> do you have only CLI?
2255[13:16:11] <tulphoon> or you have Xsession also on your PC
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2265[13:20:27] <ksk> you did not see what I wrote?
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2267[13:22:47] <ravegen> Ksk, i dunno how to that
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2278[13:28:28] <MaBunny> !mission-control-5
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2283[13:30:22] <MaBunny> !at-spi2-registryd
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2289[13:31:26] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, do you need assistance with something?
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2291[13:31:39] <MaBunny> well,nothing for sure
2292[13:32:08] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, the topic has examples for how to msg the bot privately.
2293[13:32:20] <MaBunny> is amd64 iso the x86-64 version iso for debian?
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2296[13:32:37] <TomTomTosch> yes
2297[13:32:41] <MaBunny> ok
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2304[13:36:56] <MaBunny> i had my debian install as a crypted one
2305[13:37:13] <MaBunny> so if some hacker installed some malacious code installed on my system...
2306[13:37:41] <MaBunny> could he install the code on my main drive? by any chance?
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2309[13:38:26] <MaBunny> i hav a ext hard drive too,though its based on the fat32 disk type
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2311[13:38:32] <MaBunny> i mean system
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2313[13:38:52] <MaBunny> so,any one there to answer me??
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2316[13:40:35] <towo`> you know, that your system is encrypted if it is running and you working on it?
2317[13:40:43] <towo`> grr
2318[13:40:50] <towo`> s/encrypted/decrypted
2319[13:41:34] <MaBunny> no,isnt there an option in debian jessie to encrypt your drive,i selected tht one on installation
2320[13:41:50] <towo`> what?
2321[13:42:07] <MaBunny> ???
2322[13:42:30] <towo`> as long you work on the system, the drive is decrypted, otherwise you can not work on the system
2323[13:42:40] <MaBunny> ok
2324[13:42:53] <towo`> it seems you don't understand, for what encryption is made
2325[13:42:57] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, it will not help you against malware or attacks while the system s running.
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2327[13:43:09] <MaBunny> but what about the malicious code thing
2328[13:43:48] <MaBunny> my mouse goes on its own way from here to there,the activity screen pops out of nowhere
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2335[13:46:38] <nkuttler> MaBunny: is that happening right now? or are you asking about security in general?
2336[13:46:51] <TomTomTosch> not sure what an activity screen is, but why do you think that's an attack?
2337[13:46:55] <MaBunny> well,it happens sometimes
2338[13:47:18] <MaBunny> well,the screen called Activities on the left,my bad
2339[13:47:28] <MaBunny> srry,tab
2340[13:47:38] <nkuttler> sounds like something that could pop up randomly..
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2342[13:47:53] <nkuttler> which desktop environment is that?
2343[13:47:55] <MaBunny> yes,it pops up randomly
2344[13:48:00] <MaBunny> gnome
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2352[13:49:12] <TomTomTosch> isn't that a hot corner thingy?
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2354[13:49:19] <MaBunny> ???
2355[13:49:21] <nkuttler> yeah, was just going to say, could be anything
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2357[13:49:30] <nkuttler> MaBunny: but your mouse moves there on it's own
2358[13:49:51] <MaBunny> no,it skirts from here to there on its own
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2360[13:50:05] <nkuttler> MaBunny: disconnect your computer from the network, see if it keeps happening
2361[13:50:17] <MaBunny> and the Activities tab pops up and shows white waves on its own
2362[13:50:24] <nkuttler> i've seen odd behavior with buggy hardware, buggy drivers etc that would lead to random clicks/movements
2363[13:50:49] <MaBunny> idk if its security related but i dont like it
2364[13:50:59] <nkuttler> obviously
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2378[13:59:03] <tulphoon> how can one disable the automatical screen disabling, after some idle time without moving the mouse or touching the keyboard?
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2380[13:59:16] <tulphoon> it's super annoying sometimes, and i haven't come with an idea how to disable it.
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2395[14:06:44] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, have you tried using a different mouse?
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2398[14:07:56] <Iridos> possibly on a different usb port
2399[14:07:58] <MaBunny> no,i dont hav another mouse
2400[14:08:14] <MaBunny> well, i didnt change the usb port too
2401[14:08:23] <Iridos> well, a mouse is like 5 bucks?
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2403[14:09:10] <MaBunny> well,here its Rs300-500
2404[14:09:23] <MaBunny> and my pocket money is Rs1000
2405[14:09:36] <MaBunny> $1=Rs70
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2408[14:10:49] <parsnip> is jessie and/or lenny using systemd?
2409[14:11:31] <TomTomTosch> parsnip, lenny? that's a few years early for systemd :P jessie is the first one with systemd by default.
2410[14:12:29] <parsnip> ah, ok... yeah i'll try jessie, wiki mentioned hibernate is a little trickier to setup on lenny.
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2412[14:13:09] <TomTomTosch> parsnip, lenny hasn't been supported for like three years now.
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2417[14:16:15] <TomTomTosch> parsnip, jessie is a good idea. it's the current debian stable and will have an EOL in mid 2020.
2418[14:17:26] <Iridos> parsnip, the wiki is edited by whoever feels the topic is important to them at the time... so it's often heavily outdated.
2419[14:17:26] <MaBunny> so,4 years?
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2421[14:17:46] <newbsduser> hello, what is specific disadvantage of disabling swap space on a huge system. I have 256G memory on the system. I configure swapiness to 3. but system is swapping sometimes although I have available memory on the system. So I'm thinking turning off swap with swapoff -a, or do you have another suggestion?
2422[14:18:53] <Iridos> newbsduser, we have no swap on our cluster with 128G/256G/512G nodes... half of the small ones are diskless, so there's no choice anyway
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2430[14:21:08] <blubee> hi guys, i am trying to build some kde programs from source but cmake keep reporting cannot find package kde
2431[14:21:08] <Iridos> consequence is, when ram is full, machine doesn't slow down, but oomkiller kills a random process... there's also weird stuff like java likes to reserve 50% of the total memory by default (but of course only actually uses what it needs)... not a problem except if you want to limit users with ulimit
2432[14:21:18] <blubee> i'm pretty sure that I installed kde but I am not sure
2433[14:21:21] <boubou> hey guys
2434[14:21:28] <blubee> what kde files are needed to build kde on debian?
2435[14:21:30] <boubou> Have you ever seen this error ?
2436[14:21:33] <boubou> ./usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lncurses
2437[14:21:33] <boubou> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
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2441[14:22:03] <Strogg> I love how reliably when you're missing a tool, you can just go "apt-get install ${whatever I'm missing}" and it just works. hehe
2442[14:22:06] <Strogg> debian++
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2444[14:22:20] <Iridos> blubee, you are probably missing some -dev package
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2446[14:22:46] <blubee> is there anyway to find out which -dev package that is?
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2448[14:22:56] <Iridos> what are you trying to compile
2449[14:22:59] <blubee> reading this i've pretty much installed all that can be installed: replaced-url
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2452[14:23:52] <blubee> Iridos: this project: replaced-url
2453[14:24:56] <Iridos> blubee, isn't that already packaged as kde-config-tablet ?
2454[14:25:24] <blubee> that's not on debian
2455[14:25:50] <blubee> i've seen only these packages: kde-config-telepathy-accounts kde-config-telepathy-accounts-dbg kde-config-touchpad
2456[14:26:36] <TomTomTosch> blubee, aptitude search kde-config-tablet
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2458[14:27:16] <blubee> TomTomTosch: returns nothing
2459[14:27:39] <TomTomTosch> blubee, which debian version are you using?
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2461[14:28:25] <blubee> Debian testing
2462[14:28:33] <TomTomTosch> !debian-next
2463[14:28:33] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2464[14:28:50] <TomTomTosch> it's not in stretch, but maybe someone there has an idea ^
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2466[14:29:40] <blubee> oh
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2468[14:30:06] <Iridos> judd, versions kde-config-tablet
2469[14:30:07] <judd> Package: kde-config-tablet on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.2.0-1; wheezy: 1.3.6-1; jessie: 2.0-2
2470[14:30:14] <blubee> trying to join debian-next it drops me back here
2471[14:30:25] <TomTomTosch> blubee, read again :P
2472[14:30:40] <Iridos> haha... someone adjusted the debian-next factoid
2473[14:31:07] <zykotick9> Iridos: BUT, it's still not working ;)
2474[14:31:28] <blubee> oh
2475[14:31:31] <blubee> silly ime
2476[14:31:32] <Iridos> blubee, I guess you can get all the dependencies for the source package that is in jessie and that should cover you
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2479[14:31:54] <fred1807> can I install pantheon-files on debian?
2480[14:32:10] <Iridos> zykotick9, I see... silly me, I thought the *not* and then writing again about the error was a bit over the top :)
2481[14:32:11] <blubee> okay i'll try that path instead
2482[14:32:40] <Iridos> actually, I think it's not "invite only" anymore but now just drops you to #debian
2483[14:32:54] <Iridos> hmm maybe not
2484[14:33:22] <MaBunny> is there a command line text editor package tht allows me to place bookmarks???
2485[14:33:51] <MaBunny> i hav tried fte but the bookmarks seem not to stay there after reopening
2486[14:34:27] <Iridos> blubee, also you can either just compile the jessie source-package... or update the code in the package to the current version and adjust stuff
2487[14:34:42] <TomTomTosch> vim has bookmarks. and learing vim is a good idea x)
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2490[14:34:56] <MaBunny> not vim,its difficult
2491[14:35:14] <MaBunny> ive tried nano,but tht too for starters
2492[14:35:22] <phy1729> it's no so hard, start out with vimtutor, and learn as you go
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2494[14:35:26] <spm_draget> I am on wheezy. When I add wheezy-backports, will this repository automatically have a lower priority as my main repository? i.e. regular packages will be always installed from my regular repository?
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2496[14:36:07] <MaBunny> anything besides vim,emacs and nano,guys???ill start on vim after my exams :P
2497[14:36:12] <TomTomTosch> spm_draget, if you want to install from backports you will have to add -t wheezy-backports so, yes x)
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2499[14:36:17] <MaBunny> something tht has menus,like fte
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2502[14:37:41] <spm_draget> TomTomTosch: Thanks
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2522[14:45:00] <MaBunny> anyone has used fte???
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2526[14:46:59] <Iridos> vim has bookmarks??
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2529[14:47:35] <MaBunny> not vim!!!
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2532[14:48:20] <phy1729> Iridos: they're called marks see :help m
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2541[14:51:21] <TomTomTosch> Iridos, vim that is, not vi.
2542[14:52:31] <TomTomTosch> the vi in debian does not have marks me thinks.
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2547[14:53:38] <phy1729> last I looked debian doesn't have real vi, just a vim the pretends to be vi
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2553[14:56:37] <TomTomTosch> oh, me thought it was nvi
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2555[14:57:21] <Iridos> well, obivously vim
2556[14:57:55] <Iridos> heh
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2558[14:58:13] <Iridos> "a vim that pretends to be vi"... but not anymore a bash that pretends to be sh
2559[14:58:59] <bezaban> dash that pretends to be sh?
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2565[15:01:02] <Iridos> dash that pretends to be dashing
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2572[15:04:24] <rdz> hey all. i have mounted an nfs export and the files therein are owned by nobody nogroup. My user can read those files, but replaced-url
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2581[15:06:24] <Iridos> your user shouldn't be able to read them if they're not world-readable
2582[15:06:36] <pflanze> Hello. Does anyone know how I can parse a date string like "Sun Mar 13 19:43:03 2016 CET" from C on Debian?
2583[15:07:20] <pflanze> i.e. convert it to time_t
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2587[15:08:50] <TomTomTosch> using strptime for example.
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2596[15:10:49] <tulphoon> Hey guys. I've just did a clean install of Debian testing.
2597[15:10:55] <fred1807> how to install pantheon-files on debian?
2598[15:11:07] <pflanze> TomTomTosch, well, that's what I thought, too, but strptime does not process the time zone
2599[15:11:11] <tulphoon> And the problem is that i cannot hear sound, installed alsa and pulseaudio, but nothing works.
2600[15:11:34] <darsie> Which terminal can I set to receive serial input and how?
2601[15:11:44] <pflanze> TomTomTosch, as I found out the hard way, and checking the web, and, if a negative answer from #c is a confirmation, that too.
2602[15:11:54] <mtn> tulphoon: for sound: Install and use pavucontrol. Check sound levels and devices in Output and Configuration tabs.
2603[15:11:57] <TomTomTosch> pflanze, tried %Z for timezone?
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2605[15:12:05] <pflanze> TomTomTosch, yes, also %z
2606[15:12:09] <TomTomTosch> pflanze, ah well.
2607[15:12:10] <darsie> I have UXTerm, Xterm and XFCE terminal
2608[15:12:10] <tulphoon> mtn, what packages should i have installed then?
2609[15:12:18] <tulphoon> Like alsa aswell, or only pavucontrol?
2610[15:12:21] <mtn> tulphoon: pavucontrol, as I just said
2611[15:12:27] <tulphoon> and remove pulse and alsa?
2612[15:12:30] <tulphoon> or just add pavu
2613[15:12:36] <mtn> tulphoon: no, never said that
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2615[15:12:41] <tulphoon> oh, okay :)
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2618[15:14:00] <fred1807> how do I install this? replaced-url
2619[15:14:05] <TomTomTosch> pflanze, you could parse the timezone yourself and add to time_t
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2621[15:14:10] <MaBunny> i found the right editor
2622[15:14:22] <TomTomTosch> pflanze, but that would rather suck D:
2623[15:14:32] <pflanze> TomTomTosch, but how do I convert CET to a time zone difference value? I don't want to reinvent the time zone database.
2624[15:14:34] <pflanze> yes
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2628[15:16:02] <Iridos> you could always have /bin/date do it...
2629[15:16:07] <Iridos> which luckily wouldn't suck at all
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2638[15:18:42] <pflanze> Iridos, how would I even do it with /bin/date? I think I went through this in the past to no avail.
2639[15:18:54] <pflanze> It can format, but not parse unusual dates, afaik.
2640[15:18:57] <fred1807> INSTALL says "To get all of the dependencies under a Debian-based distribution, run: sudo apt-get build-dep pantheon-files" But... "E: Unable to find a source package for pantheon-files"
2641[15:19:07] <tulphoon> mtn, the settings which i will set in pavucontrol, will this be set for good?
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2643[15:19:17] <julius> hi
2644[15:19:20] <mtn> tulphoon: yes, they should "stick"
2645[15:19:21] <Iridos> true, but "Sun Mar 13 19:43:03 2016 CET" isn't unusual?
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2648[15:19:26] <tulphoon> mtn, okay, thanks :D
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2651[15:20:27] <julius> is it true that "--stem foo" as parameter for: fakeroot make-kpkg ..... names the files that will be installed foo-x.y.z instead of vmlinuz-x.y.z ?
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2655[15:21:17] <Iridos> at least I don't seem to have problems with date -d 'Sun Mar 13 19:43:03 2016 CET' +%s
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2657[15:23:52] <pflanze> That's a difficult command then. Leave away the -d, what does it then? Sometimes work, sometimes not.
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2660[15:24:15] <darsie> Do I really have to logout of xorg to update my group status?
2661[15:24:20] <Iridos> huh?
2662[15:24:27] <pflanze> Ok so there's one C program that can parse the time zone. Going to need to read the source then.
2663[15:24:30] <darsie> I did addgroup bernhard dialout.
2664[15:24:32] <Iridos> -d display time described by STRING, not 'now'
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2667[15:24:55] <TomTomTosch> hehe man date
2668[15:25:04] <Iridos> darsie, you can make that group your active group with newgrp groupname
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2670[15:25:11] <Iridos> (for that single shell)
2671[15:25:15] <darsie> thx
2672[15:25:19] <Iridos> err, primary, not active
2673[15:25:57] <pflanze> The problem is that the man page doesn't explain it properly.
2674[15:26:15] <TomTomTosch> pflanze, how so?
2675[15:26:24] <Iridos> darsie, that puts you in a new shell... and of course it's only active in the terminal/tab/shell where you ran it
2676[15:26:28] <module000> pflanze: is your end goal to do some time/date math on one or more dates?
2677[15:26:41] <pflanze> LANG=C date 'Tue Mar 22 14:24:27 GMT 2016' -> date: invalid date `Tue Mar 22 14:24:27 GMT 2016'
2678[15:26:41] <pflanze> LANG=C date 032214242016 -> date: cannot set date: Operation not permitted Tue Mar 22 14:24:00 GMT 2016
2679[15:26:42] <darsie> Iridos: I noticed.
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2681[15:27:13] <pflanze> So, -d doesn't change the source, it changes the supported formats and turns off the setting time part.
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2683[15:27:34] <pflanze> module000, just get the unixtime.
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2686[15:28:07] <pflanze> I think I've got all the formatting I need, including time zone, just not the parsing.
2687[15:28:19] <TomTomTosch> pflanze, that string works for me.
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2689[15:28:42] <TomTomTosch> pflanze, ah, wait, i see what you did.
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2693[15:29:27] <TomTomTosch> pflanze, why exactly do you want to use date without any options now?
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2695[15:29:37] <pflanze> I don't.
2696[15:29:45] <pflanze> It's just why I thought it didn't support the format.
2697[15:30:00] <pflanze> Because both the manpage is bogus and the error message misleading.
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2699[15:30:16] <TomTomTosch> well, story of my life.
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2704[15:31:08] <Toaster_Strudel> anyone here have virtual debian boxes with the drag/drop feature working?
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2707[15:31:27] <Iridos> pflanze, the man page seems to document quite clearly that date without option only accepts [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]], while -d or -s accept a date string
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2710[15:31:35] <slavka`> hey all... i am trying to visudo to uncomment includedir /etc/sudoers.d but but getting >> /etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 30 <<<
2711[15:31:46] <Toaster_Strudel> it works with my virtualbox ubuntu VM
2712[15:31:51] <Toaster_Strudel> but not my debian VM
2713[15:31:56] <module000> pflanze: if you just want the data to have the data, i do what you're describing with python and `from dateutil import parse`, it will take about every date format you can throw at it and return a DateTime object(that you can view as an epoch time)
2714[15:31:57] <Iridos> seems pretty clear to me... maybe the man-page isn't bogus and you're just reading it in a bogus way
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2717[15:32:45] <Toaster_Strudel> try man man
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2720[15:33:48] <Iridos> plus, there's a whole "DATE STRING" section
2721[15:34:13] <Iridos> I've seen some crappy man pages in my life, but I don't see how you can blame the man page of "date" in any way
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2727[15:35:43] <pflanze> Iridos, if the date command works in this odd way (what's the reason for 2 different string formats? also, both are "strings", so STRING isn't helping out of that), the man page could mention those modes first.
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2731[15:36:15] <Toaster_Strudel> contrib
2732[15:36:16] <pflanze> i.e. the command has two modes, dependent on options, and I don't mean "now" versus parsing, but printing versus setting.
2733[15:36:32] <pflanze> In addition, it includes two different parsers.
2734[15:37:01] <pflanze> (Really, it's 3 modes, printing from now, printing from parsed string, setting from parsed string)
2735[15:37:16] <module000> in the man page's defense... ` The date string format is more complex than is easily documented here but is fully described in the info documentation.`
2736[15:37:33] <pflanze> Oh well.
2737[15:37:49] <module000> it does seem a bit obtuse though..."hey this format is really complex and neat, so we don't document it here". i dislike having to flip between man/info
2738[15:37:54] <Iridos> pflanze, it does and I already quoted it: date [-u|--utc|--universal] [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]] // date [OPTION]... [+FORMAT]
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2746[15:39:13] <slavka`> hey all... i am trying to visudo to uncomment includedir /etc/sudoers.d but but getting >> /etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 30 <<< ... i have added the pastebin replaced-url
2747[15:39:36] <Iridos> module000, well, that bit is true... but the thing with the fixed format without options and the DATE STRING format for -s and -d seems pretty clear
2748[15:40:18] <Toaster_Strudel> no one here has a debian VM?
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2752[15:40:47] <pflanze> Whatever. I'm not in court with date, I just didn't understand how it worked and it was complex enough to require study of the whole page and perhaps the info doc, or people helping me.
2753[15:41:00] <pflanze> You could say submit a patch, that would make more sense to me personally.
2754[15:41:49] <Iridos> ok... submit a patch
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2756[15:42:22] <pflanze> will see
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2777[15:47:06] <Iridos> fred1807, that launchpad page is just an empty shell... I guess the first step would be to find the source?
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2783[15:49:03] <IntNULL> Hello
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2789[15:50:15] <karlpinc> !tell Toaster_Strudel about anyone
2790[15:50:35] <Iridos> karlpinc, he asked something further up
2791[15:50:42] <IntNULL> I can't ping my router or go to it's website
2792[15:50:57] <karlpinc> My bad then.
2793[15:51:00] <IntNULL> I have had this problem on Arch and Debian, it's getting frustrating =/
2794[15:51:07] <IntNULL> I don't know what's the problem
2795[15:51:29] <rozie> IntNULL: looks like network is down
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2797[15:51:33] <karlpinc> IntNULL: Start with "ping -n". Then use traceroute if that fails.
2798[15:51:52] <IntNULL> I can talk here?
2799[15:51:54] <karlpinc> IntNULL: And yes, see if your interface is up. "ip addr"
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2802[15:52:16] <karlpinc> IntNULL: ?
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2804[15:52:40] <IntNULL> the Internet is working but I can't ping the modem
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2807[15:52:57] <IntNULL> I wrote router oops, I meant modem
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2809[15:53:06] <Toaster_Strudel> That is the question
2810[15:53:17] <rozie> IntNULL: modem usually don't have IP
2811[15:53:19] <Toaster_Strudel> I want to know if your drag/drop is working with vbox
2812[15:53:20] <IntNULL> Irssi is working fine and google
2813[15:53:36] <karlpinc> IntNULL: Maybe it's bridging. Maybe it's not configured to respond to pings.
2814[15:53:50] <TomTomTosch> Toaster_Strudel, you need the guest additions me thinks.
2815[15:53:58] <rozie> anyway, we don't know anything about your network setup. nor on the computer, nor on modem
2816[15:54:09] <IntNULL> You can connect to your modem with an ip or something similar
2817[15:54:13] <Toaster_Strudel> TomTomTosch: gottem
2818[15:54:15] <rozie> it doesn't look like Debian related problem for me
2819[15:54:22] <IntNULL> my modem has a "local" (?) domain
2820[15:54:26] <IntNULL> it works on phone
2821[15:54:32] <IntNULL> tplinkmodem.net
2822[15:54:35] <rozie> IntNULL: no. none of my modems have IP address
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2824[15:54:53] <rozie> and I use 3 of such devices
2825[15:55:04] <rozie> cable one, PPP one and GSM one
2826[15:55:11] <IntNULL> It's a modem router
2827[15:55:17] <IntNULL> If that makes difference
2828[15:55:21] <karlpinc> rozie: It may not be debian specific, but we do help people who are using debian do "stuff". Up to a point anyway.
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2830[15:55:37] <Toaster_Strudel> drag/drop works fine on ubuntu, but not debian. I cant find any good documenation of it working/not working in Debian since the functionality was updated. I'm wondering if anyone can use that feature
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2833[15:56:08] <Toaster_Strudel> No errors, just no function.. It has the no smoking sign
2834[15:56:09] <karlpinc> Toaster_Strudel: You could check the bug tracking system, if you can't get more help here.
2835[15:56:10] <Iridos> Toaster_Strudel, you may just have different DEs inside the VMs
2836[15:56:15] <IntNULL> On device info it says raspberrypi | xx:...:xx | 192.168.1.107 | 16 minutes
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2838[15:56:33] <IntNULL> Hostname | mac adress | ip adress | expires in
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2840[15:56:51] <IntNULL> But I can't ping the raspberry pi either
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2847[15:58:23] <IntNULL> My modems LAN IP Address: 192.168.1.1
2848[15:58:29] <IntNULL> I can't ping that doe
2849[15:58:52] <Iridos> the output of "route -n" might help you
2850[15:59:10] <rozie> karlpinc: I just try to explain that OS isn't the problem
2851[15:59:16] <karlpinc> rozie: Ok.
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2853[15:59:32] <rozie> IntNULL: can you ping this address on any device? or OS?
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2856[15:59:41] <rozie> and you have a router
2857[15:59:56] <taylorbyte> is there a way to get netctl in debian?
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2859[16:00:23] <IntNULL> rozie: I can ping it on my brothers laptop, windows
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2861[16:00:45] <rozie> IntNULL: describe the network. IPs, medium
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2865[16:01:26] <karlpinc> taylorbyte: You can try the <search> factoid. I don't see it in stable. So you'll proably want to use something like <checkinstall>.
2866[16:01:26] <IntNULL> Both are with ethernet cable connected to the modem/router
2867[16:01:32] <karlpinc> !tell taylorbyte about checkinstall
2868[16:01:39] <pflanze> Ok, so coreutils uses its own date parser, it doesn't rely on strptime or other glibc functionality. It contains its *own* time zone database.
2869[16:01:44] <pflanze> Sigh.
2870[16:02:04] <pflanze> Just the state of the C world I guess?
2871[16:02:05] <karlpinc> taylorbyte: Or, tell us your goal, why you want netctl, and we can help you get there.
2872[16:02:07] <IntNULL> if that's what you meant
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2876[16:03:21] <hiya> hi
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2882[16:03:56] <karlpinc> IntNULL: You might want to paste the output of "route -n".
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2884[16:04:00] <karlpinc> !tell IntNULL about paste
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2886[16:04:48] <IntNULL> replaced-url
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2888[16:05:02] <taylorbyte> karlpinc: my problem is i tried setting up a bridge using systemd and when i reboot it seems that "enabling forwarding state" might be taking too long for the bridge to come up and misses out on DHCP
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2894[16:06:33] <zeto28> I have installed testing with debootstrap, chrooted into it from jessie, and started aptitude. there's a package "linux-base" installed which Depends on linux-image-4.4.0-1-amd64 which is not installed. however aptitude's dependency resolver does not complain about unsatisfied dependencies. what is going on here?
2895[16:07:05] <zinx> try apt-get
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2898[16:08:04] <zeto28> running "apt-get check" does nothing
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2900[16:08:14] <karlpinc> taylorbyte: Well, there's #debian-systemd on irc.otfc.net. But I'd expect that someone would be able to help here.
2901[16:08:15] <Iridos> IntNULL, you have no route to 192.168.1.1 ... what's 94.22.64.1 and what's 192.168.2.x
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2903[16:08:42] <IntNULL> I edited something for sometime ago...
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2905[16:08:52] <IntNULL> 94 was my old address I think
2906[16:09:06] <IntNULL> I think 192.168.2 is my new address
2907[16:09:08] <IntNULL> ...
2908[16:09:17] <IntNULL> I noob to these things
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2910[16:09:42] <Iridos> zeto28, why do you think linux-base would depend on linux-image-4.4.0-1-amd64
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2912[16:10:12] <zeto28> Iridos: sorry, brainfart of mine, it was actually the other way around
2913[16:10:14] <karlpinc> IntNULL: Well, you're talking to the internet now. So whatever you do, before making changes make a backup of whatever you're changing so you can get back on the internet if you break something.
2914[16:10:41] <IntNULL> I don't remember what it was but I changed auto lo to something somewhere
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2916[16:10:46] <Iridos> IntNULL, I don't see how you can have an internet connection if 94.22.64.1 doesn't route to the internet in some way
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2919[16:11:07] <IntNULL> /etc/netwokr/interaces
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2921[16:11:10] <IntNULL> it was
2922[16:11:12] <Iridos> you should never change auto lo to anything
2923[16:11:14] <karlpinc> IntNULL: Pasting /etc/network/interfaces is probably called for.
2924[16:11:16] <taylorbyte> cant get DHCP to work on bridge divice created with systemd. heres some dmesg i think is related to the problem: replaced-url
2925[16:11:17] <IntNULL> Ok that's wrong speeled
2926[16:11:22] <IntNULL> what I wrote
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2928[16:12:21] <karlpinc> IntNULL: And paste the output of "ip addr" too.
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2931[16:12:50] <IntNULL> replaced-url
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2935[16:14:03] <the8thbit_> hello
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2937[16:14:10] <the8thbit_> I have found a use for the sl package
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2940[16:14:49] <the8thbit_> if you try to cat a bin file or something and it fucks up your character encoding in your terminal the choo choo will fix it
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2943[16:15:37] <Iridos> the8thbit_, we usually use "reset"
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2945[16:16:07] <the8thbit_> Iridos: I just tried that, but it doesn't make a choo choo
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2947[16:16:42] <Iridos> we ususally use it to fix a terminal after catting a bin file without a choo choo
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2954[16:18:17] <the8thbit_> Iridos: You mean you don't need a choo choo train to haul away the bad encoding and dump off the good one?
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2956[16:20:09] <Iridos> yes. totally sufficient to re-set the slanted terminal straight
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2958[16:21:10] <IntNULL> karlpinc: Are you still here?
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2965[16:23:25] <the8thbit_> Iridos: Oh I see! There's no need to get rid of the whole encoding when you can just level the terminal so all the letters fall back into place! Thanks
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2969[16:23:47] <darkblue_b> hi - how can I find the git clone endpoint for this /srv/git.debian.org/git/pkg-grass/otb.git ?
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2974[16:26:00] <IntNULL> Ok?
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2976[16:26:06] <ailurus> try replaced-url
2977[16:26:57] <darkblue_b> ailurus: that is working - thx
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2987[16:30:23] <Iridos> IntNULL, ask karlpinc said, pasting the content of /etc/network/interfaces would be useful...
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2992[16:30:52] <taylorbyte> will /etc/systemd/network eventually replace /etc/network/interfaces ?
2993[16:30:59] <IntNULL> replaced-url
2994[16:32:02] <Iridos> IntNULL, that's pretty weird. why is the address in a different subnet than the router?
2995[16:32:29] <Iridos> also, is there anything in /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
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2997[16:32:31] <IntNULL> How should I have it?
2998[16:32:35] <Iridos> and where's the entry for "lo"?
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3000[16:33:05] <Iridos> bit hard to say how you should have it, without knowing the network layout...
3001[16:33:06] <IntNULL> nothing in interfaces.d
3002[16:33:20] <IntNULL> What layout?
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3005[16:34:17] <Iridos> e.g. what router(s) there are and what IP address(es) they have
3006[16:34:33] <IntNULL> 1 modem/router
3007[16:34:37] <Iridos> your current route uses something 94.*.*.*
3008[16:35:33] <IntNULL> I can ping 94.22.81.194
3009[16:35:37] <IntNULL> but yeah
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3015[16:37:45] <Iridos> hm, I can ping 94.22.64.1
3016[16:37:57] <Iridos> so it's an external address
3017[16:38:07] <IntNULL> me too
3018[16:38:17] <IntNULL> ...
3019[16:38:23] <IntNULL> what should I do now?
3020[16:38:39] <IntNULL> but it's horrible ping
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3023[16:39:13] <Iridos> but your routing table has that as a gateway... I don't see how that is supposed to work
3024[16:39:26] <Iridos> or how it fits together with what you tell us
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3027[16:40:38] <IntNULL> I have no idea
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3029[16:40:51] <IntNULL> what the hell I'm doing anymore =/
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3036[16:41:59] <sn0wmonster> time to reinstall windows then
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3040[16:42:16] <Iridos> ^^
3041[16:42:30] <Iridos> IntNULL, is that a desktop?
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3043[16:42:41] <IntNULL> Yes it's a desktop computer and a old one
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3045[16:43:00] <Iridos> I also wonder why you're setting up an interfaces file...
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3048[16:43:17] <Iridos> put the interfaces file back to configure "lo" and use network-manager to configure eth0?
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3050[16:43:58] <Iridos> and more so... isn't there a dhcp server to distribute IPs, gateway and dns server IP?
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3054[16:45:45] <Iridos> IntNULL, if you're ircing from that machine... how did you manage to get internet on that machine at all?
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3068[16:49:31] <Iridos> IntN... oh well
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3111[17:03:52] <fred1807> hello, how do I download Debian netinst LXDE, but TESTING/unstable version ?
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3114[17:04:59] <nkuttler> fred1807: do you want to test the installer, or install testing?
3115[17:05:05] <Deepfriedice> I don't think you can.
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3118[17:06:03] <fred1807> I want to install debian LXDE unstable on my computer, so to install some very new stuff via apt-get that is not avaliable on my stable apt-get
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3121[17:06:28] <nkuttler> fred1807: just install stable, and upgrade to unstable
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3125[17:08:39] <fred1807> nkuttler, how do I upgrade to unstable?
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3133[17:10:46] <markybob> !unstable
3134[17:10:46] <dpkg> Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. replaced-url
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3136[17:11:20] <brabo> hi, i upgraded 2 boxes from wheezy, one to jessie and one to stretch. now both have a massive memory leak using an editor which did not have this behaviour on wheezy.. any suggestions to fix this? did something change from jessie on that could cause this?
3137[17:11:29] <markybob> fred1807: keep in mind this channel is for stable. unstable support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (different network)
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3140[17:12:03] <keltim> if you have to ask though, it might not be a good idea to run it ... fred1807
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3142[17:12:25] <fred1807> someone please invite me to debian-next ?
3143[17:12:45] <markybob> fred1807: it's not invite only. you're just trying it on the wrong network. i told you, oftc, not freenode
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3147[17:13:28] <markybob> this is gonna end well :P
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3149[17:13:50] <TomTomTosch> D:
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3151[17:14:39] <TomTomTosch> brabo, which editor is that? and i hope you didn't jump from wheezy to stretch directly.
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3157[17:15:26] <brabo> TomTomTosch: sublime text 2 and 3, and no, i jumped from wheezy to jessie on box #1 and from wheezy to jessie to stretch on box #2
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3159[17:15:51] <brabo> both sublime text 2 and 3 keep as well behaved as ever on my other wheezies
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3161[17:16:15] <brabo> so clearly there is a difference not related to sublime text but to the OS
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3163[17:16:25] <TomTomTosch> that's not a debian package though.
3164[17:16:33] <brabo> so?
3165[17:16:51] <keltim> brabo, you could start with an ldd of the binary to see what it is linked to
3166[17:17:07] <keltim> it should be static, though, right?
3167[17:17:12] <TomTomTosch> third party software can have unexpected bugs. also, did you try getting a new version from their site?
3168[17:17:19] <brabo> keltim: lemme do both on all 3 versions i have now.. sec
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3171[17:18:14] <keltim> no it's dynamically linked, the one I have
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3173[17:18:18] <TomTomTosch> i never had problems with sublime on jessie.
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3177[17:19:27] <TomTomTosch> btw did you install the .deb or used the tarball they offer?
3178[17:20:02] <brabo> keltim: st2 on all 3 has: replaced-url
3179[17:20:07] <brabo> TomTomTosch: tarball
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3182[17:20:34] <TomTomTosch> did you grab a new one after the upgrade?
3183[17:20:46] <brabo> of sublime text 3 i did
3184[17:20:48] <brabo> 2 not iirc
3185[17:20:53] <brabo> and that changed nothing
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3188[17:21:13] <TomTomTosch> hm, no idea. maybe send them a bugreport.
3189[17:21:14] <brabo> i went to 3 because of the issues 2 was having all of a sudden
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3193[17:22:32] <brabo> them? sorry, but form my point of view it is clear something changed in jessie to cause this, and i have checked the bug reports, many versions of st had memory leaks, my build has 0 reports of mem leaks so far.. hence my question here, what changed? perhaps i can throw something away i don't need anyway and have it fixed?
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3197[17:22:44] <awal1> I ended using 'startx' and disabled the DM I have installed and I noticed that now X is run in tty1 instead of tty7 as when using a DM. All fine right?
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3199[17:22:56] <brabo> i will not say st is bug free of course, but you have to admit that this clearly indicates some change in jessie
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3202[17:24:00] <TomTomTosch> sure things change. changes that third party software has to support, not the other way around.
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3204[17:24:42] <frozengeek> hey all, I'm trying to set up a debian (jessie) container on my archlinux host, but I can't get "passwd -R /tmp/mycontainer" to work, I get permission denied even though I run it as root. Any ideas? (ps: it works if i try it on an archlinux container, havn't bothered checking centos yet)
3205[17:24:47] <brabo> yea things change, ack, debian used to be my one and only love
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3208[17:25:55] <brabo> TomTomTosch: can you check which build you are using atm?
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3211[17:26:02] <brabo> might be usefull to try out that one and see
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3216[17:26:41] <awal1> I meant my openbox-session is now executed in tty1 , but if I use a DM (lightdm/wdm) X (openbox-session) is running in tty1. Is that correct?
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3218[17:26:59] <TomTomTosch> i don't use it atm, switched to jetbrains for all of my work.
3219[17:27:08] <awal1> I meant my openbox-session is now executed in tty1 , but if I use a DM (lightdm/wdm) X (openbox-session) is running in tty7. Is that correct?
3220[17:27:12] <TomTomTosch> brabo, it also might be some weird plugin.
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3222[17:27:31] <brabo> TomTomTosch: nope, st 3 without any plugin is the same
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3224[17:27:47] <brabo> so i think that eliminates that possibility..
3225[17:27:56] <TomTomTosch> hm, let me download it quickly.
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3227[17:28:06] <brabo> 3 i grabbed latest tarball
3228[17:28:15] <brabo> 2 probably an older build
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3230[17:28:37] <brabo> and i grabbed 3.. 2 weeks ago or so
3231[17:28:56] <awal1> I dont understand why X runs in tty7 if lightdm is used, and if no DM, X is running in tty1
3232[17:29:42] <module000> awal1: because lightdm is putting it there - whereas `startx` will run wherever you execute it at
3233[17:30:08] <TomTomTosch> brabo, when does it leak?
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3237[17:30:38] <brabo> TomTomTosch: well, running it does not seem to make the proc itself use very much memory
3238[17:30:46] <module000> awal1: if you'd like to change that, look at -display as it is passed to X by lightdm, you can put it on any tty you want
3239[17:30:52] <brabo> after closing it however, 1GB ram seems to be "in use"
3240[17:30:55] <brabo> but it is not
3241[17:30:58] <brabo> but cannot use it
3242[17:31:00] <brabo> :p
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3245[17:31:19] <brabo> to give an idea, after reboot flux + 1 term == 150MB
3246[17:31:22] <brabo> i run st
3247[17:31:30] <brabo> close it again like 1 minute later
3248[17:31:38] <brabo> and then ram usage is at 1150MB
3249[17:31:43] <brabo> which is never ever recycled
3250[17:31:45] <brabo> lest i reboot
3251[17:31:51] <awal1> module000, oh, ok. Thanks. I understand now :)
3252[17:31:59] <markybob> i think you're complaining about cached ram...which is silly
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3254[17:32:20] <brabo> so that in itself seems to me an issue of debian, no matter how malbehaved a binary is, the system should sooner or later recycle the memory no?
3255[17:32:24] <TomTomTosch> yep, check what free says about free cache.
3256[17:32:28] <module000> brabo: no.
3257[17:32:31] <brabo> markybob: `checked with free -m
3258[17:32:35] <brabo> says identical as htop
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3263[17:33:06] <module000> brabo: memory isn't "zeroed out" when you close whatever is using it - all the cache and buffer usage is going to stay in-use until something else needs that memory
3264[17:33:25] <module000> brabo: nothing is acting incorrectly or otherwise out of the ordinary, that's exactly the way you should expect it to behave
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3266[17:33:37] <brabo> module000: okay, so, what i saw is: system start using swap before it reuses said ram
3267[17:34:02] <brabo> said ram is never reused, not after 1 hour, not after 1 day, not even when the system is swapping like hell
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3269[17:34:05] <module000> brabo: depending on what the data your OS wants to cache, it may delirately pick swap over ram, even though that may seem counterintuitive
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3272[17:34:32] <brabo> not reusing 1GB of ram and instead swapping i call more than counterintuitive..
3273[17:34:39] <module000> brabo: look at the priority for your available swap if you want to dig deeper there
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3275[17:35:29] <brabo> so, did something change in caching behaviour in jessie?
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3277[17:36:07] <module000> very unlikely - there is a newer kernel though which means new behaviors, so it's always a good idea to read the changelog to see what has actually changed VS perceived
3278[17:36:12] <brabo> because honestly, i need my system to allow me to reuse that ram, if i close a program i want it gone out of my ram
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3280[17:36:36] <brabo> module000: good idea yeah, perhaps there is a change there
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3282[17:36:49] <brabo> also, just a side note: sublime text is the only thing causing this
3283[17:36:55] <brabo> if i run like iceweasel
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3285[17:37:02] <brabo> every bit of ram is freed after i close it
3286[17:37:10] <brabo> so there is no consistency there :/
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3288[17:37:29] <jmcnaught> brabo: are you sure the sublime process is actually gone?
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3291[17:37:37] <brabo> very very sure
3292[17:37:48] <brabo> unless ps is failing now ;)
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3295[17:38:21] <brabo> but sec, i can look at which pid is has atm and check /proc
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3298[17:39:23] <brabo> jmcnaught: yes, it is gone, /proc no longer has the PID directory
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3300[17:40:06] <module000> brabo: if you really want to go crazy with this, look at the working set for each process, add it up, subtract cache/buffers, and you will see precisely where each byte of RAM is allocated to processes
3301[17:40:30] <jmcnaught> brabo: i don't know. i think it's at the point now where you should show us a paste of the output of free before and after, or check with sublime's support
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3303[17:41:46] <brabo> jmcnaught: i can do the paste, no probs
3304[17:41:49] <brabo> lemme reboot again
3305[17:41:58] <brabo> otherwise i won't get under 1220MB ram used you know ;)
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3307[17:43:33] <brabo> i'll run iceweasel first to demonstrate memory being freed correctly in that case//
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3310[17:45:11] <RoyK> brabo: are you reading "free" output correctly?
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3316[17:46:12] <transhuman_> hi! I am trying to upgrade debian 5 I would like to skip to debian 7 (since sources are available) is that smoothly possible?
3317[17:46:25] <markybob> transhuman_: NO
3318[17:46:26] <Iridos> transhuman_, no
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3320[17:47:02] <transhuman_> ok thanks
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3323[17:47:23] <Iridos> transhuman_, re-installing may be quicker... you could have a look at that factoid, /msg dpkg debian clone
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3327[17:48:16] <transhuman_> thanks Iridos
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3329[17:48:59] <brabo> RoyK: just a moment, my paste is almost complete.. guess free -m output at various moments can help clear up wether i am misinterpreting that ;)
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3333[17:49:50] <transhuman_> question: will that likely capture the essence of a (hard drive copy) of a live cd ?
3334[17:50:11] <Iridos> transhuman_, backing up any user-data or /var/replaced-url
3335[17:50:37] <Iridos> transhuman_, just look what the commands write out, then you'll see what it does?
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3337[17:50:44] <brabo> jmcnaught, RoyK replaced-url
3338[17:50:46] <transhuman_> I am just afraid it might be hard to (locate on the live cd) since I have no idea how it works
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3340[17:50:58] <transhuman_> ok Iridos
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3342[17:51:24] <teclo-> transhuman_: in your case the best solution would be to save your data (/home and many other things) and make a clean install of Debian 8 (or 7 if you really have to)
3343[17:51:32] <transhuman_> thank god for vmware snapshots (multipe tries possible)
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3345[17:51:52] <transhuman_> ok thanks teclo
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3347[17:51:57] <Iridos> transhuman_, if you want regular installs... don't use the live cd, use the installer
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3349[17:52:06] <brabo> also, the amount of ram that is going away is the amount htop reports on st using
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3353[17:52:27] <brabo> *the emount that goes out of cache on the last free -m
3354[17:52:38] <ilCyx86_64> How can I choose whether my system uses Wayland or X?
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3356[17:52:52] <jackcom> i can’t do command of ‘ifconfig’ by user instead of root?
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3358[17:52:59] <transhuman_> no actually I just want to make an upgraded version of the live cd, figure doing it in steps is my best bet at learning how it works
3359[17:53:12] <ilCyx86_64> jackcom: /sbin/ifconfig if you can't use root
3360[17:53:13] <p---11> if lspci shows Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT what version of Intel HD is that? ie: 4400 5000 5500
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3362[17:53:25] <ilCyx86_64> Haswell is 4th gen
3363[17:53:35] <p---11> any way to identify if its 4000 or 4400?
3364[17:53:40] <Iridos> judd, versions weston
3365[17:53:41] <judd> Package: weston on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.0-2+b1; stretch: 1.9.0-3; sid: 1.9.0-3; experimental: 1.9.92-2
3366[17:53:41] <jackcom> ilCyx86_64: then i must use root?
3367[17:53:45] <Iridos> ilCyx86_64, ^^^
3368[17:54:05] <transhuman_> well thanks guys for the pointers
3369[17:54:20] <ilCyx86_64> Iridos: Yes, but if it's already installed, how do I specify which one I want to run?
3370[17:54:43] <ilCyx86_64> jackcom: If you want to change anything, you need root, otherwise just use /sbin/ifconfig
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3373[17:55:12] <markybob> ilCyx86_64: weston-launch from terminal
3374[17:55:30] <jmcnaught> brabo: i would talk to sublime support about this. maybe it's something sublime is launching that doesn't get stopped when sublime exits or something. i don't really know sublime.
3375[17:55:34] <ilCyx86_64> markybob I'm already using Wayland by default (Debian testing) and want to go back
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3378[17:56:12] <p---11> <ilCyx86_64>: any way to identify if its 4000 or 4400?
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3380[17:56:23] <brabo> jmcnaught: can't i tell debian to cut the crap and stop caching shit? because honestly, that would solve my issues
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3383[17:56:54] <ilCyx86_64> p---11: I'm not sure, maybe see if it shows anything in dmesg?
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3389[17:58:01] <p---11> dmesg | grep -iC 3 "video" ?
3390[17:58:29] <jmcnaught> brabo: the second line of the "used" column is how much you have free if buffers+cache are considered free memory, and that doesn't seem to decrease very much. caching is also a feature, it's better the ram is used for something than just sitting around doing nothing. replaced-url
3391[17:58:48] <awal1> Some times I have to run execute some commands, long ones, such as "xset -dpms s off; xscreensaver-command -exit; xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -p /xfce4-power-manager/presentation-mode -T" . I have created a keyboard shortcut for that but I wonder how to execute that without having to write the whole command each time I want to execute it, tab completion doesn't help. Any clue?
3392[17:59:06] <Iridos> ilCyx86_64, how did you switch?
3393[17:59:15] <jackcom> thanks ilCyx86_64
3394[17:59:17] <jackcom> ;)
3395[17:59:31] <awal1> In x terminal emulator , I meant
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3397[17:59:58] <jmcnaught> awal1: put the commands into scripts or aliases
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3399[18:00:37] <brabo> jmcnaught: sure, but in this case the "lost 1GB" (out of 3GB) total is causing my system to go very very heavy into swap way too fast, so that is not practical :)
3400[18:00:56] <awal1> jmcnaught, hm, thats a way right.
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3404[18:01:28] <brabo> jmcnaught: btw, i found 'echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches' which does clear the used cache
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3406[18:01:51] <jmcnaught> brabo: it also looks to me like your memory is not being freed, and i think you should ask sublime about their proprietary static-linked binary to be honest
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3408[18:02:44] <brabo> jmcnaught: i understand your point, but if nothing changed in jessie, why is it not doing this on wheezy? i am atm merely trying to determine what changed, and if i need those changes ;)
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3410[18:03:18] <brabo> i am curious as to the why, especially the wheezy vs jessie diff ;)
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3412[18:03:56] <brabo> i can easily imagine a change being made that st is not using or not using correctly..
3413[18:04:18] <brabo> otoh i would expect my OS to clear that ram, no matter how misbehaved the program causing it in the first place
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3422[18:06:34] <jackcom> why there is no maximize and minize symbol on terminal?
3423[18:06:37] <jmcnaught> brabo: i suspect sublime is launching something that doesn't get cleaned up after it exits, and i would probably try with a new user or moving sublime config. if you want to know the differences between wheezy and jessie there are the release notes and changelogs. anyways good luck.
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3425[18:06:56] <jackcom> very strange on Debian?
3426[18:07:01] <module000> brabo: add up the working memory set for your processes, subtract buffer/cache...start sublime, stop sublime, and repeat
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3428[18:07:18] <module000> that will tell you precisely what is going on, but you can be 99.9999999999999999999999999% sure the issue has nothing to do with debian, and isn't an issue with the OS at all
3429[18:07:23] <brabo> module000: at any given point, the cached memory is NEVER attributed to any proc
3430[18:07:29] <module000> brabo: as it shouldn't be
3431[18:07:30] <brabo> and it seems it is clean
3432[18:07:39] <brabo> as the echo 2 clears it
3433[18:07:51] <sydney_untangle> Hello all, i'm trying to install from the netinstall and when i try to install my choice of desktop enviroments, mattering on what DE/s i chose it either works or fails with "The failing step is :Select and install Software". Could this be a bug?
3434[18:07:56] <jackcom> why there is no maximize and minize symbol on terminal? help me
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3436[18:08:02] <Iridos> ilCyx86_64, on my system, Xorg is started by gdm3
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3438[18:08:24] <module000> brabo: once again...unless you are willing to account for the working memory set for each process before and after your play with ST: you are not going to get your answer here.
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3442[18:09:02] <brabo> module000: so all those free -m outputs do not show it well enough?
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3444[18:09:24] <module000> brabo: no, those aren't even remotely what you should be looking at
3445[18:09:26] <jackcom> why there is no maximize and minize symbol on terminal? help me ilCyx86_64
3446[18:09:28] <jackcom> :(
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3448[18:10:03] <Iridos> awal1, if you only repeat them once or twice (or if you keep needing to change them)... under bash ctrl-R, then type part of it... if you need the exact command often, write a function and put it in ~/.bashrc
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3450[18:10:12] <module000> brabo: see the output of `ps faux`? get the reserved working set number there, ignore the virtual working set. add them *all* up. subtract(in bytes!) your cache/buffer
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3452[18:10:36] <jmcnaught> jackcom: gnome help (the life preserver icon) has videos on how to navigate gnome
3453[18:10:39] <module000> brabo: you can use awk (or just about anything) to automate that as well, doing it by hand would be be ideal
3454[18:10:58] <jackcom> oh thanks jmcnaught ;)
3455[18:11:15] <module000> brabo: or if you wanted, you could ignore `ps`, and just iterate through /proc to get the working set for each process, whichever is easier for you.
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3458[18:13:32] <jackcom> jmcnaught: i can’t find it. :(
3459[18:13:36] <brabo> i can tell something more btw.. if i clear dentries/inodes when sublime is still running, i can recover everything and it is not getting used again.. make a note/. let's see the ps faux
3460[18:13:52] <jmcnaught> jackcom: hit the super/windows key. type help.
3461[18:13:59] <brabo> module000: also, is this basically not what htop and the likes do?
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3463[18:14:46] <jackcom> hit?
3464[18:14:47] <awal1> Iridos, perfect. Ctrl+r and typing a part of the command under bash is what I need. For now I'm satisfied. thanks!!! Later I'll the .bashrc stuff. Thanks
3465[18:14:49] <module000> brabo: no, htop just read the values in proc and display them for you. you are wanting to sum and compare those values, and off the top of my head i don't know of a tool to do that for you
3466[18:14:54] <jackcom> oh
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3472[18:16:11] <Iridos> awal1, it's not hard
3473[18:17:12] <jackcom> thanks jmcnaught
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3475[18:17:14] <jackcom> ;)
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3481[18:18:12] <Iridos> awal1, probably just.. function presenton () { xset -dpms s off; xscreensaver-command -exit; xfconf-query -c xfce4-power-manager -p /xfce4-power-manager/presentation-mode -T }
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3483[18:18:52] <converge> I need to access "virsh" that is not in my system, but in another debian instalation in another disk, is it possible ?
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3487[18:20:19] <awal1> Iridos, not a hardness related. Thats just because I run a few long commands only once or twice daily. so reverse search under bash is fine for now. But thanks for the bashrc tip. I'll look at it later (now at work)
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3497[18:22:04] <brabo> module000: so, i get to 1010252 kiloBytes when added all RSS of ps faux, free -m says 'Mem: 2967 1421 1546 73 459 198' and '-/+ buffers/cache: 763 2203'
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3499[18:22:24] <jmcnaught> converge: ssh to other system, run virsh. or if virsh is installed locally, use a remote URI with the --connect argument. replaced-url
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3502[18:22:42] <froter> Hi. Running Debian 8. If I have a module "somemodule.ko" where should I put it so that it is loaded by the OS at startup? I tried /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc and added "somemodule" to /etc/modules-load.d/modules.conf but it doesnt load it.
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3506[18:22:46] <brabo> but i shoudl probably rerun st again, i cleared the cache it was using..
3507[18:22:53] <module000> brabo: use `free -k` if you'd like to see those in kb also
3508[18:23:11] <argwings> hello, i installed debian yesterday and my usual packages/fonts but i noticed that asian characters are rendered much lighter in chromium. if i angle my laptop screen i can hardly see them.
3509[18:23:18] <converge> jmcnaught: I can't boot the 2nd system where virsh is installed due to hardware incompatibility
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3511[18:23:54] <TomTomTosch> brabo, run watch -n 0.2 free in a terminal and watch if free cache gets returned every time you close sublime_text
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3513[18:24:53] <TomTomTosch> brabo, i don't see any problems running sublime
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3516[18:25:10] <brabo> TomTomTosch i stated my intital question as: it is not being freed after closing sublime
3517[18:25:29] <brabo> and it is not, not 1 minute later, not a day later
3518[18:25:54] <brabo> this is a free -k and count of ps faux after rerunning st: replaced-url
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3520[18:26:02] <jmcnaught> converge: it's not clear to me if you simply need to execute virsh, or if you need to manipulate VMs on this other system. if you're just trying to get those VM/domains, their XML files are in /etc/libvirt/qemu, and their disk images are likely in /var/lib/libvirt/images (unless you defined a different storage pool)
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3525[18:27:06] <converge> jmcnaught: I tought I need "virsh dumpxml" to export the xml
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3527[18:27:17] <jjrabbit543> hello
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3529[18:27:31] <jjrabbit543> are there any advantage of switching to debain from ubuntu?
3530[18:27:58] <jmcnaught> converge: it's what i would do if libvirt was working, but that's where libvirt keeps them, at least for qemu/kvm
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3532[18:28:43] <TomTomTosch> jjrabbit543, depends on how you use your computer and what your value in software.
3533[18:29:00] <module000> jjrabbit543: debian has a more diverse collection of vowels, versus the singular "u" in ubuntu. there are a ton of advantages and disadvantages, that's just one.
3534[18:29:24] <markybob> that may be the best answer i've ever heard
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3537[18:29:48] <jjrabbit543> Modeuse: ;DDD
3538[18:30:02] <jjrabbit543> module000: woops that was meant for you lol
3539[18:30:09] <Modeuse> XDD
3540[18:30:21] <sn0wmonster> the best thing about Ubuntu is Ubuntu Touch. Unfortunately, no one wants to touch Ubuntu.
3541[18:30:22] <markybob> jjrabbit543: debian has older software. it's that way for a reason. stability.
3542[18:30:26] <jjrabbit543> TomTomTosch: is there a server guiless edition?
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3545[18:31:00] <markybob> jjrabbit543: you can install debian without a gui, yes. it's not an edition though.
3546[18:31:00] <TomTomTosch> jjrabbit543, you can decide to not install a gui in the debian-installer.
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3549[18:31:15] <jjrabbit543> cool
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3555[18:31:48] <jjrabbit543> how come ubuntu seems more mainstream?
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3557[18:32:01] <jjrabbit543> if debian was around longer
3558[18:32:06] <markybob> jjrabbit543: the shiny effect. people want "new new new"
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3562[18:32:36] <ulyzze> When I'm extracting an .xz file I get a 107GB size, but only 3GB more are occupied, how is it possible!?
3563[18:32:38] <TomTomTosch> also more marketing?
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3565[18:32:51] <TomTomTosch> s/more/at all
3566[18:33:05] <jjrabbit543> TomTomTosch: i'm guessing because dell was shipping ubuntu but i'm curious why they went with that over other distros
3567[18:33:13] <jjrabbit543> maybe it's the most "user friendly" of the bunch?
3568[18:33:17] <TomTomTosch> marketing?
3569[18:33:21] <greycat> ulyzze: you mean, the "Used" column of df?
3570[18:34:01] <brabo> module000: replaced-url
3571[18:34:07] <ulyzze> greycat: I mean the overview of the disk in nautilus shows 3gb more than before is taken
3572[18:34:30] <TomTomTosch> i think the debian marketing team are three fat dudes that meet in a dunkin' donuts
3573[18:34:35] <ulyzze> but for the extracted file it shows size 107
3574[18:34:39] <greycat> Let's assume you meant df, then.
3575[18:34:42] <jjrabbit543> well ubuntu is based on debian anyway
3576[18:34:50] <markybob> TomTomTosch: but donuts are delicious :P
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3579[18:35:07] <brabo> module000: and i can clear it after mem usage is stable, it gets cleared, and st keeps functioning, and it never goes up again either..
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3581[18:35:08] <greycat> ulyzze: Did your extraction remove the .xz file, or are both the .xz file *and* the extracted file present at the same time?
3582[18:35:09] <markybob> jjrabbit543: only kinda sorta
3583[18:35:10] <jjrabbit543> so ubuntu is the new debian?
3584[18:35:15] <greycat> jjrabbit543: gods, no.
3585[18:35:16] <markybob> jjrabbit543: NO
3586[18:35:18] <jjrabbit543> lol
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3588[18:35:23] <TomTomTosch> ubuntu also has a company behind it, debian does not.
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3590[18:35:49] <ulyzze> greycat: i extracted using tar -x , nothing was deleted
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3594[18:36:07] <greycat> ulyzze: Then it's possible the file is sparse.
3595[18:36:14] <ulyzze> sparse?
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3598[18:36:20] <donoban1> jjrabbit543: it's theorically based on Debian, but they take years for fixing things already fixed on Debian
3599[18:36:24] * greycat isn't sure whether GNU tar handles sparse files, but it might.
3600[18:36:56] <brabo> module000: also, when i clear dentries/inode cache, the cache goes back down, the ram total stays identical
3601[18:36:57] <ulyzze> greycat: i followed instructions, it specified not to use unxz but tar
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3604[18:37:08] <sn0wmonster> Also Debian is Greek for "Awesome" and Ubuntu is Afrikaans for "Ballsack"
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3606[18:37:28] <greycat> ulyzze: is everything working? If so, it's probably just a sparse file, and nothing to worry about.
3607[18:37:39] <jjrabbit543> cool i want to test it out
3608[18:37:56] <ulyzze> ulyzze: sparse file?
3609[18:38:00] <markybob> well that was unnecessary :P
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3612[18:38:27] <ulyzze> how can a file be 107gb without taking space?
3613[18:38:45] <greycat> ulyzze: Create a new file (in C), lseek() to position 1 million, write 1 byte, close the file. This is a sparse file. It's got a "size" of 1 million bytes, but only takes up 1 byte (well, block) on disk.
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3617[18:39:38] <ulyzze> greycat: that's a bug in tar then?
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3619[18:39:47] <greycat> ulyzze: NO! It's a feature.
3620[18:40:02] <ulyzze> i don't see the usefulness of that feature
3621[18:40:07] <markybob> ulyzze: no. ever used a bittorrent client? most give you full allocation or sparse options. that's what's happening
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3623[18:40:24] <greycat> You don't see the usefulness of only taking 1 block of disk space to store a million bytes of mostly-empty data?
3624[18:40:33] <ulyzze> what's the use for sparse alloacation?
3625[18:40:53] <ulyzze> greycat: it was funny for a moemnt
3626[18:41:05] <ulyzze> but i can't copy that file
3627[18:41:07] <ulyzze> it's too big
3628[18:41:15] <ulyzze> and i need to copy it
3629[18:41:32] <greycat> Just extract the file in the directory where it needs to be.
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3633[18:42:05] <ulyzze> greycat: i can't, i get weird error on the target
3634[18:42:30] <Urchin> full allocation lets you read a slightly incomplete file
3635[18:42:33] <greycat> Is the target a file system that does not support sparse files?
3636[18:42:46] <greycat> At some point you have to give us some details.
3637[18:43:39] <ulyzze> greycat: i tried to extract the xz using tar in the target machine but i get xz: (stdin): File format not recognized
3638[18:43:53] <greycat> What is the target machine? What OS? What file system?
3639[18:44:02] <ulyzze> ubuntu, ext4
3640[18:44:19] <greycat> Ask #ubuntu why you cannot extract this .tar.xz file on their operating system.
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3642[18:45:15] * greycat observes a couple options related to sparse files in the man page for tar(1)
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3658[18:53:13] <brabo> so fyi, my workaround is to just clear inodes/dentries cache after starting sublime text, so at least i can be productive again ^^ still interesring to find out what exactly is happening thath makes the kernel not recycle that 1GB chunk of ram..
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3675[19:00:18] <converge> Message from syslogd@debian at Mar 22 15:57:47 ...
3676[19:00:18] <converge> kernel:[ 1519.450536] Dazed and confused, but trying to continue
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3678[19:00:30] <converge> it's copying file using the network, can it corrupt my file ?
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3685[19:03:27] <sp4nky> ulyzze , greycat , Urchin: replaced-url
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3688[19:03:53] <jjrabbit543> anybody here use yum or do you guys all prefer aptitude?
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3692[19:04:50] <greycat> Neither. I use apt-get.
3693[19:04:52] <markybob> jjrabbit543: probably most of us use apt-get
3694[19:05:04] <greycat> Isn't yum a non-debian thing?
3695[19:05:10] <TomTomTosch> yum? red hat much?
3696[19:05:18] <sypher> Yeah. Red Hat/CentOS.
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3698[19:05:40] <sypher> Apparently there's a yum package in the repos.
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3704[19:07:43] <TomTomTosch> hoho i'm going to try this in a vm :3
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3708[19:08:17] <ulyzze> sp4nky: thank you mister spanky
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3715[19:10:33] <Intelchips> Anyone know of any support channel for Ubiquiti Edgerouters that are based on Debian?
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3719[19:11:41] <julius> is there a way to rename the resulting vmlinuz-x.y.z in a kernel build made by make-kpkg?
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3722[19:12:01] <julius> ive done builts for ubuntu and debian and both end up in the same boot dircectory...and overwrite themselves
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3725[19:12:48] <Guest24422> sp4nky : can you help me on installing something ?
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3737[19:15:20] <plof> Hello, can i use another package manager other than dpkg ?
3738[19:15:41] <greycat> The apt family are basically wrappers around dpkg.
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3740[19:16:27] <TomTomTosch> plof, what do you need to install?
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3744[19:17:36] <nadu> hi. anyone knows if there will be an upgradepath for owncloud shipped with debian?
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3752[19:20:36] <fluub> Hellow
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3754[19:20:53] <fluub> is there a way to redirect to usb ports to each other
3755[19:20:56] <fluub> two*
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3757[19:21:20] <fluub> So if plug my smartphone to usb port a and a keyboard to usb port b
3758[19:21:33] <fluub> My smartphone will detect the keyboard
3759[19:21:34] <TomTomTosch> like... a female to female adapter?
3760[19:21:38] <fluub> Exactly
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3763[19:22:01] <fluub> I plan to use my raspberry pi as female to female adapter
3764[19:22:10] <fluub> But I don't know how
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3766[19:22:26] <TomTomTosch> awesome... no idea :D
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3770[19:23:09] <fluub> Arf :/
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3777[19:24:18] <armin> is there a lightweight jenkins alternative? it basically does nothing special for me except executing scripts and displaying their outputs, and i would love to let something like that run on limited hardware.
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3790[19:27:32] <fred1807> hello, how I upgrade my jessie stable sources to sid ?
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3792[19:27:40] <greycat> That's not an upgrade.
3793[19:27:57] <greycat> /msg dpkg sid
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3796[19:28:40] <fred1807> ok.. I want to install packages from sid
3797[19:28:52] <greycat> why?
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3799[19:29:08] <awal1> fred1807, do you really want to upgrad from jessie to unstable? which package you need exactly?
3800[19:29:20] <fred1807> greycat, I want to use plank dock, it is not present on stable
3801[19:29:26] <greycat> Most people can live just fine with stable packages, or possibly the occasional backport.
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3803[19:30:07] <r6ku> fred1807: use docky?
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3809[19:30:51] <awal1> fred1807, you want a headache just because of plank? use docky, tint2 or similar packages
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3813[19:31:48] <greycat> If this package is named "plank", there is also one in stretch. Not that I know anything about this package.
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3819[19:32:36] <awal1> fred1807, I have plank in my sid machine and it's just a task bar , docky and tint2 are more complet and have more features
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3877[19:59:31] <jjrabbit543> anybody know if debian comes with a command line file manager?
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3879[19:59:39] <jjrabbit543> similar to midnight commander?
3880[19:59:55] <mtn> jjrabbit543: install mc :)
3881[19:59:58] <greycat> ,info mc
3882[19:59:59] <judd> Package mc (utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: Midnight Commander - a powerful file manager. Version: 3:4.8.13-3; Size: 493.8k; Installed: 1422k; Homepage: replaced-url
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3887[20:00:42] <greycat> "comes with" is a nebulous concept with Debian. Debian has over 43000 packages (according to its home page), but most of those are not installed by default.
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3892[20:01:52] <froter> Hi. Running Debian 8. If I have a module "somemodule.ko" where should I put it so that it is loaded by the OS at startup? I tried /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc and added "somemodule" to /etc/modules-load.d/modules.conf but it doesnt load it, unless I do it manually "insmod somemodule.ko".
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3895[20:02:42] <jjrabbit543> greycat: i guess i meant if there is a file manager i could find in the main repositories, ones that are "supported" by debian
3896[20:02:51] <greycat> mc is in the main repository and is supported
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3907[20:09:39] <dx486> I am a debian stable user and I need to upgrade linux kernel at lest to 3.17 using backports to solve a hardware issue. I see 4.4 is available with "testing" release. what "package" name should I use with the command: apt-get -t jessie-backports install "package" ?
3908[20:09:52] <greycat> ,kernels
3909[20:09:54] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.5.0-rc7-686-pae (4.5~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.6-1); stretch: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.5-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u3)
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3912[20:10:20] <greycat> The jessie-backports kernel version is 4.3, not 4.4... should satisfy your stated requirements.
3913[20:10:34] <dx486> what is the command, could you please tell me
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3915[20:11:11] <greycat> apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-4.3.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
3916[20:11:16] <greycat> assuming an amd64 box
3917[20:11:20] <dx486> yes, amd64
3918[20:11:25] <dx486> thank you greycat
3919[20:12:00] <dx486> by the way, do you think this is a good idea? upgrading a kernel via backports? I don't want my system to become unstable.
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3921[20:12:17] <greycat> Lots of people do it, so it seems to be fairly well tested.
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3926[20:13:13] <jmcnaught> dx486: if you are using any DKMS packages you'll want to get the linux-headers- that goes with the kernel you install too
3927[20:13:49] <TomTomTosch> dx486, you have added the jessie-backports line to your sources.list?
3928[20:14:14] <dx486> TomTomTosch, yes, already, to use latest Iceweasel
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3933[20:14:55] <TomTomTosch> dx486, the latest iceweasel is now the latest firefox. check mozilla.debian.net
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3936[20:15:52] <sjamaan> I'm trying to install "mutt" on a fresh Jessie minimal install, and for some reason it insists on installing fontconfig and a related tree of X dependencies
3937[20:15:58] <sjamaan> On Wheezy it didn't do that
3938[20:16:03] <dx486> no sorry, not for iceweasel, I added that line to use broadwell graphics
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3940[20:16:20] <sjamaan> How can I find out what is the cause of this dependencies? The flat list at replaced-url
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3944[20:16:57] <dx486> jmcnaught, I don't know if I use any DKMS package or not
3945[20:17:02] <TomTomTosch> me thinks mutt is a default in the debian-installer.
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3948[20:17:35] <sjamaan> TomTomTosch: This is a VPS image I built using the build-openstack-debian-image script
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3950[20:17:44] <sjamaan> It's based on debootstrap
3951[20:17:51] <DammitJim> uh oh
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3953[20:17:56] <Barrett> hello
3954[20:17:57] <sjamaan> Very minimal and I'd like to keep it that way :)
3955[20:18:07] <DammitJim> is it normal that the fingerprint I get from the host is the same as that of another host?
3956[20:18:09] * greycat googles and comes up with debtree
3957[20:18:11] <DammitJim> I don't know how I missed that
3958[20:18:23] <Barrett> anyone know a fix for having no audio under a skylake pc?
3959[20:18:29] <jmcnaught> dx486: "aptitude search ~i~ndkms"
3960[20:18:41] <sjamaan> greycat: Cool, thanks. I did search but couldn't come up with anything like that
3961[20:18:44] <Barrett> I'm using debian testing with kernel 4.4
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3963[20:18:59] <Barrett> and tried any sort of settings clean, pulseaudio and alsa restart
3964[20:19:03] <dx486> thank you jmcnaught
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3968[20:19:20] * greycat tries debtree... gets confusing output... reads the web page again, tries this "dot" thing... gets segmentation fault
3969[20:19:26] <sjamaan> yikes
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3973[20:20:14] <sjamaan> greycat: Did you try debtree foo | dot -Tpng > foo.png ?
3974[20:20:20] <jmcnaught> sjamaan: you can also look at "apt-cache depends mutt" and "apt-cache show mutt". apt-get also has an option "--no-install-recommends"
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3977[20:20:51] <greycat> debtree mutt | dot -Tpng > mutt.png
3978[20:21:01] <greycat> bunch o' lines, then Segmentation fault
3979[20:21:13] <sjamaan> jmcnaught: I already disabled those things using:
3980[20:21:13] <sjamaan> APT::Install-Recommends "0";
3981[20:21:14] <sjamaan> APT::Install-Suggests "0";
3982[20:21:20] <sjamaan> In me /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
3983[20:21:28] <sjamaan> In my* /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
3984[20:21:49] <Barrett> I have only the dummy output FWIW
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3989[20:23:14] <greycat> Ah, it works if I use --no-recommends ... for some value of works.
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3992[20:23:36] <greycat> mutt.png PNG 2936x2593 2936x2593+0+0 8-bit sRGB 769KB 0.000u 0:00.000
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3996[20:24:54] <sjamaan> Interestingly, this graph doesn't seem to show any X stuff!
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3998[20:25:27] <greycat> Is your installation tool doing suggests? Or not? I think aptitude defaults to using suggests....
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4001[20:26:14] <sjamaan> It isn't, unless I messed up my config (see above, I put APT::Install-Recommends "0"; APT::Install-Suggests "0"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/90custom-config
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4012[20:29:00] <greycat> Well in any case, my debtree mutt.png shows fontconfig
4013[20:29:20] <TomTomTosch> maybe some other config lurking behind?
4014[20:29:30] <sjamaan> Looks like some "pinentry" thing defaults to installing the gtk2 version
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4018[20:30:14] <TomTomTosch> if using aptitude try -R and see if it changes.
4019[20:30:14] <superlinux> hi. I have my hp proliant ml350 gen9 server sometimes arrives at grub menu and it boots normally and sometimes is does not. so what what's wrong? and everytime I get error that my write cache has been lost.
4020[20:30:15] <sjamaan> Installing pinentry-curses and then installing mutt fixes the problem
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4025[20:31:26] <superlinux> whenever this happens i have to force reboot the server.
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4035[20:36:10] <sydney_untangle> Hmm, it seems that some repo mirrors will cause a netinstall to fail...
4036[20:36:25] <greycat> !httpredir
4037[20:36:25] <dpkg> To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb replaced-url
4038[20:36:38] <greycat> Gah, where is it...
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4040[20:37:08] <sjamaan> hey that's a cool feature
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4042[20:38:19] <greycat> Craaap. Where is that factoid I made...
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4060[20:45:00] <superlinux> hi. I have my hp proliant ml350 gen9 server sometimes arrives at grub menu and it boots normally and sometimes is does not. so what what's wrong? and everytime I get error that my write cache has been lost.
4061[20:45:04] <superlinux> whenever this happens i have to force reboot the server.
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4068[20:47:06] <haole> I'm not using network manager. I have two interfaces and both of them use DHCP, but the DNS servers from one is overriding the other (I'd prefer for both DNS servers to be used in resolv.conf)
4069[20:47:08] <haole> how do I fix this?
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4073[20:49:04] <superlinux> haole, use google's dns server on 8.8.8.8
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4075[20:49:25] <greycat> haole: do you actually *need* the nameservers from one of the DHCP servers, or can you simply set up resolv.conf yourself?
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4078[20:51:58] <haole> superlinux: can't do, they are intranet DNS servers
4079[20:52:09] <haole> greycat: yes, I need them, otherwise I could hack in dhclient.conf :(
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4081[20:53:15] <dx486> after installing linux-image-4.3.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 using backports to my 8.3 stable, wireless networking becomes unavailable
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4083[20:54:07] <towo`> dx486, maybe because you need firmware from backports too?
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4085[20:54:51] <dx486> towo`, I will check, good idea
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4116[20:58:41] <tulphoon> how can i check the speed of my connection? i feel like my internet is very slow and i just want to know what's happening
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4147[21:00:28] <awal1> tulphoon, try with speedtest-cli
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4152[21:01:49] <tulphoon> my internet feels like it's 1998
4153[21:02:05] <frikinz> apt-get instal flightgear
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4155[21:02:27] <frikinz> wget -O /dev/null replaced-url
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4157[21:02:43] <tulphoon> ummm
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4160[21:03:08] <fred1807> how do I search apt-get for a package if I am not sure about the exact name? Example I want crossftp, but I may be cross-ftp
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4162[21:03:11] <tulphoon> everything works, but port 80 seems to be broken or sth i don't really know.
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4166[21:03:24] <greycat> fred1807: apt-cache search
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4180[21:05:40] <markybob> fred1807: it's not in debian
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4197[21:09:02] <pollox_> is any one working with rsyslog and inotify in jessie? I'm using module(load="imfile" mode="inotify") to force inotify mode as it is describid in the doc here replaced-url
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4200[21:09:33] <pollox_> is inotify by default ?
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4202[21:09:44] <fred1807> I am using docky, can I ditch the anchor/docky icon ?
4203[21:10:10] <axc1298> what is ~/.config/Trolltech.conf? do you all have that file too?
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4207[21:13:03] <greycat> trolltech is the company behind libqt which is used by KDE, right?
4208[21:13:08] <frikinz> axc1298: I have it
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4210[21:14:23] <fred1807> oh the power of linux freedom finally I can feel it
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4215[21:15:31] <axc1298> there does seem to be qt-related stuff in there
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4223[21:17:40] <exedore6> How you do it question time - Installing a webapp, without using the package. /srv/webapp or /var/replaced-url
4224[21:17:43] <exedore6> And why.
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4231[21:20:03] <bin_bash> what?
4232[21:20:28] <bin_bash> try to rephrase more coherently, exedore6
4233[21:20:31] <greycat> It would depend on the application.
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4237[21:20:53] <bin_bash> this isn't #LinuxEssayQuestions
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4239[21:21:03] <bin_bash> "
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4241[21:21:24] <bin_bash> "HOW WOULD YOU INSTALL XYZ WITHOUT ABC AND WHY... AT LEAST 120 WORDS REQUIRED FOR CREDIT" -- exedore6
4242[21:21:55] <exedore6> There are a couple of places in the FHS that might be appropriate to put a self contained web application (say owncloud, or etherpad, or moodle)
4243[21:22:06] <exedore6> /var/replaced-url
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4245[21:22:30] <exedore6> What are the pros and cons of both?
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4251[21:24:09] <theseb> I set up a box to autologin a nonroot user.....how make a program automatically run for that user at boot up?...rc.local won't work since isn't user specific and $HOME/.zlogin won't work since I'm not logging in!?!?! help!
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4254[21:24:48] <frikinz> exedore6: owncloud package (from owncloud.org) as a webapp goes in /var/replaced-url
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4256[21:25:35] <exedore6> theseb: There’s a display manager for this… I think nodm
4257[21:25:36] <bin_bash> var/replaced-url
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4260[21:25:52] <exedore6> frikinz: That’s the way I always used to do it, but then I’m WTF /srv.
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4262[21:25:54] <theseb> exedore6: awesome!
4263[21:26:21] <theseb> exedore6: lemmie guess...nodm is like xdm/gdm/kdm but for terminal no X!!! i love it
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4266[21:26:47] <exedore6> It feels like /var/replaced-url
4267[21:27:08] <exedore6> theseb: I haven’t evaluated it, but I was looking at display managers today and it caught my eye.
4268[21:27:14] <theseb> exedore6: oh wait...that uses x windows
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4270[21:27:26] <exedore6> You want it for a terminal?
4271[21:27:27] <bin_bash> exedore6: replaced-url
4272[21:27:28] <brabo> fyi, what does solve my problems with the 1GB dentry cache never being cleared is setting a different dentry retain priority... sublime never gets to the point of taking up so much..
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4274[21:27:43] <brabo> module000: jmcnaught ^
4275[21:27:55] <fred1807> how do I install this package? replaced-url
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4280[21:28:46] <bin_bash> apt-get install mpv
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4285[21:29:10] <fred1807> bin_bash, I get a command line player.. I am looking for the GUI version
4286[21:29:30] <bin_bash> then thats not the right package
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4288[21:29:45] <frikinz> fred1807: installing sid packages on stable is NOT recommended btw
4289[21:29:56] <exedore6> theseb: I think you can just have getty do it then (no login prompt, just throw you at a shell in the homedir.
4290[21:30:15] <greycat> If you install a sid package on stable, and it brings in its dependencies, you are no longer on stable.
4291[21:30:24] <fred1807> I am okay with that
4292[21:30:32] <r6ku> fred1807: I'm not sure if there is a front end for mpv in stable, the next best thing would be smplayer I guess
4293[21:30:33] <bin_bash> aren't release versions fun
4294[21:30:34] <greycat> At that point you are on an unsupportable Frankendebian.
4295[21:30:51] <markybob> fred1807: right, we don't support that. so you're on your own.
4296[21:30:52] <jmcnaught> fred1807: don't mix unstable and stable. the great thing about Debian stable is everything is extensively tested and bug fixed. Check out replaced-url
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4300[21:31:23] <exedore6> bin_bash: Where do you put it?
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4304[21:31:53] <exedore6> theseb: there is cdm, which seems to be a terminal display manager. Can’t find much about it (aside from the arch wiki)
4305[21:32:00] <bin_bash> exedore6: in the... i mean it depends
4306[21:32:15] <bin_bash> exedore6: on my personal servers i just use /var/replaced-url
4307[21:32:23] <bin_bash> but at work we put everything in /srv
4308[21:32:24] <fred1807> okay, can I build from source then?
4309[21:32:36] <r6ku> fred1807: heh, mpv+youtube-dl is why I'm on unstable myself, so I understand your frustration :p
4310[21:32:55] <markybob> ,checkbackport mpv
4311[21:32:56] <judd> Backporting package mpv in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libass-dev (>= 0.12.1~), libsndio-dev (>= 1.0.1).
4312[21:33:02] <markybob> unsatisfiable.
4313[21:33:11] <bin_bash> it can't get no satisfaction
4314[21:33:26] <bin_bash> stable is for servers anyway
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4316[21:33:45] <markybob> bin_bash: no. i use it on my laptop just fine.
4317[21:33:50] <jmcnaught> bin_bash: i use stable on my desktops, and benefit from the lack of surprises
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4319[21:33:57] <bin_bash> i use arch on my laptops
4320[21:34:03] <a_man> supplies!
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4322[21:34:08] <bin_bash> SOME FRIES
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4342[21:40:27] <fred1807> what is this "composition" docky is asking?
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4396[22:04:34] <julius> hi
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4398[22:04:37] <julius> hi
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4402[22:05:03] <julius> is there a way to make "make-kpkg" create a package that contains not vmlinuz-x.y.z but vmlinuz-debian-x.y.z ?
4403[22:05:38] <fred1807> how do I make brightside start with my debian lxde? I can only find stuff about ubuntu on google
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4412[22:08:32] <itaipu> Hi ! I'm stuck with: replaced-url
4413[22:08:33] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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4430[22:17:16] <rdctrlzr> how can I determine if there is a newer version of a package available to be installed?
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4432[22:17:45] <petemc> rdctrlzr: apt-get update, apt-cache policy packagename
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4436[22:18:59] <rdctrlzr> petemc: thx
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4441[22:21:53] <fred1807> what is the proper way to make someting auto start with session? In my case, brightside hot corners utility
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4446[22:23:18] <user404> guys, apt-get install Nsnake
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4449[22:23:25] <user404> snake game
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4470[22:29:32] <awal1> If dpkg is the main debian package management system, why the existence of apt, aptitude, wajig and so? I dont understand if it's a design question or what
4471[22:29:52] <awal1> why so dpkg is not able/no designed to do what apt, aptitude... does?
4472[22:30:37] <H4ndy> dpkg is only handling the installation side of packages, apt is managning the repository access
4473[22:30:37] <RobinC> dpkg does not do automatic dependency resolution etc, it is a lower level tool invoked bu the apt/aptitute type tools
4474[22:30:38] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, H4ndy
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4476[22:30:59] <fred1807> one tool for each task filosophy?
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4479[22:31:22] <Urchin> yes
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4481[22:31:49] <awal1> yeah I understand what dpkg, apt , a does, but what I don't understand why debian devs haven't made dpkg to be able to do all
4482[22:31:53] <Urchin> well, several for repository access...
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4485[22:32:20] <Urchin> awal1: because modularity is normal with linux
4486[22:32:37] <awal1> Urchin, moduñarity means here?
4487[22:32:49] <awal1> modularity ^
4488[22:32:56] <fred1807> awal1, related replaced-url
4489[22:32:58] <Urchin> you build solutions out of smaller programs
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4491[22:33:16] <awal1> fred1807, ok
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4498[22:34:34] <awal1> ok, so if all that is related with the known unix/linux filosophy (one tool for each task) so ok, I understand
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4500[22:35:12] <awal1> so systemd is totally out of that now :D
4501[22:36:25] <fred1807> ^ this
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4504[22:37:23] <awal1> I still being surprised every time I shutdown my system. systemd speed still confusing me when poweroff/reboot. sometimes I thin that 'systemd' has an invisible hand that press amy power button and doing a hard reset :D
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4507[22:37:37] <awal1> I think ^
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4511[22:39:55] <awal1> like 1 or 2 seconds my machine is off, wow
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4520[22:44:02] <user404> exit
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4527[22:44:48] <bcnu> does debian 8.3 support systemd
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4531[22:45:35] <H4ndy> bcnu: its the default since 8.0 or so
4532[22:46:15] <bcnu> h4ndy...ok thanks for the tip.
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4537[22:47:23] <squarecircle> heyo
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4539[22:47:41] <squarecircle> is there a way to get mencoder without using deb-multimedia.org?
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4541[22:48:00] <squarecircle> building from source is ok too, but not preferred
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4545[22:49:04] <awal1> ,v mencoder
4546[22:49:05] <judd> Package: mencoder on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1; squeeze-backports: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u1; stretch: 2:1.2.1-1; sid: 2:1.2.1-1; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.1.1-dmo4.wheezy1; jessie-multimedia: 3:1.1.1+20150226+svn37375-dmo5; sid-multimedia: 3:1.3.0-dmo2
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4550[22:51:20] <squarecircle> so I use the squeeze-backports?
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4552[22:52:23] <squarecircle> I'm a bit confused: I thought the backports for a release are contained in the next one
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4558[22:54:17] <frikinz> dpkg backport
4559[22:54:17] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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4562[22:54:46] <qman__> you'd only use squeeze-backports if you're running squeeze
4563[22:54:51] <qman__> note that there are other versions in that list
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4570[22:58:27] <squarecircle> but currently I'm running jessie
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4572[22:58:38] <squarecircle> and I'd like to use mencoder
4573[22:58:57] <squarecircle> mplayer is (interestingly) available, why not mencoder?
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4583[23:03:04] <unborn> :)
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4586[23:03:46] <awal1> squarecircle, have a look at replaced-url
4587[23:03:47] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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4610[23:11:55] <jercos> so... Iuse debmirror to make a local mirror of debian armhf for a personal project that requires about 30 devices to update all at once. I originally fiddled with options and found that the most optimal config used --slow-cpu, as without that debmirror chewed on a single CPU core for close to an hour before getting anything done...
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4614[23:12:51] <jercos> that seems to still be the case (I started a trial run without --slow-cpu and it's still running), but now with --slow-cpu I get a pair of "Use of uninitialized value $sha1 in string eq at /usr/bin/debmirror line 1639." followed by no updates... given this is sid I'm pretty sure my mirror is out of date by a fair amount
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4616[23:13:49] <squarecircle> awal1: thx
4617[23:14:19] <jercos> the box doing the mirror is running jessie, everything seems to be up to date, the mirror is restricted to sid/main armhf and --no-source, and is using ftp.us.debian.org as a mirror
4618[23:15:05] <jercos> so then two questions, first is it normal for debmirror without --slow-cpu to take such a long time on a modern CPU?
4619[23:15:26] <jercos> and second, is there an alternative to debmirror that's more suited to creating mirrors on uh... modern hardware?
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4621[23:16:00] <jercos> single-threaded hashing (or whatever it's doing) and single-stream downloading from a single host both seem to produce less-than-desirable results >.>
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4625[23:17:52] <jercos> (and of course if that error is indicative of something that can be fixed trivially, I'd not mind being able to switch back to --slow-cpu as it seemed relatively functional)
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4631[23:19:29] <jercos> replaced-url
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4642[23:27:13] <TomTomTosch> let me check that.
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4650[23:30:32] <brabo> hah, seems my issues would never have been were it not for the default swappiness of 60
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4652[23:30:52] <brabo> TomTomTosch: if you are still interested, i know the whole story now
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4654[23:31:23] <TomTomTosch> brabo, sure i'm interested ;D
4655[23:31:40] <brabo> so, at one hand i was using a very large project directory
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4657[23:31:52] <brabo> which caused 1GB of dentry and ext4 inode cache to be allocated
4658[23:32:02] <brabo> now, if you have only 2GB ram
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4660[23:32:12] <brabo> and with the default swappiness set to 60
4661[23:32:23] <brabo> it will swap before it even attempts to clear any cache
4662[23:32:25] <brabo> ;)
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4664[23:32:31] <brabo> the cache is not an issue
4665[23:32:44] <brabo> and swappiness of 60 is fine for servers
4666[23:32:52] <brabo> not for low on ram laptops though..
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4669[23:33:22] <TomTomTosch> i don't get how swapping keeps you from clearing cache.
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4671[23:33:33] <TomTomTosch> or what swap has to do with cache at all.
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4674[23:33:46] <brabo> TomTomTosch: swappiness of 60 tells kernel to swap before trying to free allocated (not in use!) cache
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4677[23:34:18] <brabo> so you actually have 1GB of only allocated, not in use memory, and your kernel starts swapping instead of freeing that
4678[23:34:44] <TomTomTosch> so everything works for you now?
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4680[23:35:41] <brabo> yes, and it can work fine in different ways, just ahve to tune either swappiness or cache, or both, if it is needed (i.e. if you run into the trouble i ran into)
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4682[23:36:02] <brabo> which was, heavy swap due to 1GB of cache being allocated but not used and not freed
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4684[23:36:11] <TomTomTosch> still sounds weird to me.
4685[23:36:36] <brabo> it is in the kernel manual all this
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4688[23:37:01] <brabo> and on my desktops this probably never was an issue due to more ram
4689[23:37:11] <brabo> so it was likely unrelated to debian versions ;)
4690[23:37:15] <TomTomTosch> do you have a link to that? this is interesting.
4691[23:37:23] <brabo> replaced-url
4692[23:37:34] <brabo> items swappiness and vfs_cache_pressure
4693[23:37:41] <TomTomTosch> thanks
4694[23:38:42] <brabo> so a swappiness of 60 is nice for servers according to the folk i spoke about it
4695[23:38:56] <brabo> for a laptop however, 10 or 20 is way more appropriate
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4697[23:39:38] <brabo> source is #kernelnewbies @ oftc
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4701[23:40:32] <Azrael_-> hi, can anybody in here provide me some guidance with nginx and live streaming (rtmp-module)? i'm struggeling with multiple problems, e.g. 50% of all clients can't connect every time, video is stuttering every few seconds although the data-amount is already very low. i have no clue where to start analyzing/how to analyze it at all.
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4704[23:41:36] <TomTomTosch> brabo, the paste you've shown us had 0 swap though.
4705[23:42:14] <TomTomTosch> this one replaced-url
4706[23:42:41] <brabo> TomTomTosch: yes, that was under non stress conditions
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4708[23:43:03] <brabo> because of the swappiness making kernel swapo before freeing cache, is the only reason i bumped into it
4709[23:43:17] <brabo> now i was examining things without too much stress on the system
4710[23:43:22] <brabo> so now that did not happen
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4713[23:43:38] <TomTomTosch> but your problem still occured.
4714[23:44:01] <brabo> the cache still got allocated
4715[23:44:06] <brabo> but that was never the real issue
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4717[23:44:19] <brabo> it not being freed before swapping was done was the issue
4718[23:44:53] <brabo> but that is just tunable behaviour so..
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4720[23:45:21] <brabo> i thought the cache was the issue, but it is not ^^
4721[23:46:00] <brabo> and the cache you can also make lower in any case by upping vfs_cache_pressure
4722[23:46:04] <brabo> if you like
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4727[23:47:14] <TomTomTosch> ah well. if it works now x)
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4730[23:47:35] <brabo> TomTomTosch: yeppe, it does, and i learned something in the process ;)
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4743[23:54:45] <TomTomTosch> jercos, it works for me. can you show me the options you used?
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4745[23:55:46] <dob1> hi, i have 2 files, I would like to compare them line by line and get all the lines that are in file 1 and NOT in file 2, how can i do this?
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4747[23:56:04] <dob1> lines in every file are sorted and unique
4748[23:56:09] <TomTomTosch> dob1, pick some diff tool.
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4752[23:58:22] <dob1> TomTomTosch, I tried with meld, kdiff3, but the problem is that one of the file is big, so i would like something without a gui, that just give the result
4753[23:58:38] <TomTomTosch> dob1, git has that built in.
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