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4[00:02:37] <awal1> I see some process's / services running as root in the background that 'top' shows, like 'migration', 'ksoftirqd', 'rcu_bh'...but I have no idea about what they are/what they are doing. How to check what those process are, what they are doing , which package is running/launching them?
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11[00:06:22] <awal1> Probably one can get more info by PID?
12[00:06:37] <lalolilulexxx> awali man, or man -k, or man -K followed by <space> process name
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24[00:10:09] <lalolilulexxx> awali man is always good to learn, try man man to begin, man ps.. ps -el shoud give you the paths to the commands behind the processes. PID are just a number processes get
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30[00:12:29] <lalolilulexxx> awali but when you like to know which PACKAGE a processes command is from, start synaptic and do a search in package contents.
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33[00:12:58] <awal1> lalolilulexxx, man -k works for some process, only for some
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39[00:13:45] <awal1> lalolilulexxx, ehm, I thought there is another way for investigate more efficiently then using man/synaptic and so
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45[00:18:28] <trimosier> @raspebs replaced-url
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54[00:21:26] <lalolilulexxx> Rephrase: Manual Roaming - what is?, in wlan context?
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66[00:24:47] <incal> Is there a Linux CLI gnuplot-ish program to do maps? For example, one puts in a file that one wants a black and white PNG not bigger than some size, showing the Pacific Ocean including Hawaii and Easter Island?
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97[00:38:30] <trimosier> you can actually use plotting tools with raster data to create maps replaced-url
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154[01:15:00] <transhuman> HI I am running jessie, and am trying to use squashfs getting SQUASHFS error Major/Minor mismatch, older squashfs 3.1 filesystems are unsupported how do i get around this problem, do I need to make my build system an older version of debian?
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164[01:20:36] <thenewone> Hi guys
165[01:20:44] <thenewone> Any good wiki about install qmeu on debian ?
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167[01:21:02] <thenewone> i don't wanna install the GUI
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169[01:21:22] <bazhang> ,v qemu
170[01:21:24] <judd> Package: qemu on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze4; squeeze: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze4; squeeze-security-lts: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze5; squeeze-backports: 1.1.2+dfsg-6a+deb7u7~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.1.2+dfsg-6a+deb7u8; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.1.2+dfsg-6a+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 1.1.2+dfsg-6a+deb7u12; jessie: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u4; wheezy-backports:
171[01:21:25] <judd> 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u5a~bpo70+1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u5a; jessie-security: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u5a; jessie-backports: 1:2.5+dfsg-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:2.5+dfsg-5; sid: 1:2.5+dfsg-5
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173[01:21:47] <bazhang> thenewone, the debian wiki is superb
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176[01:22:21] <thenewone> bazhang: i found this but i couldnt find the wiki for pkg only
177[01:22:33] <thenewone> replaced-url
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179[01:23:10] <thenewone> this is show how to make it work not what you need to install
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181[01:24:00] <ilCyx86_64> Hey, so I run Debian testing on my Lenovo laptop (Skylake) and haven't had any issues. Since my latest reboot, the mouse does not work in gdm. However, it works at the gnome login screen. It appears I am running in a Wayland session. I tried setting WaylandEnable to false, but that causes the mouse to not even work on the login screen. Any ideas?
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192[01:28:54] <transhuman> anyone? from what I can find it seems I cant extract this image file (I am remastering an older live cd...bringing it into the 21st century) do I need to start up a vm and extract it and then migrate it to the build system or something?
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196[01:32:28] <transhuman> if thats the case what is the newest debian that will extract a squashfs from debian 5 ?
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198[01:32:52] <nullbyte> can't you dd the disc?
199[01:33:20] <transhuman> the disk has a squasfs. file on it that contains the main image
200[01:33:52] <transhuman> filesystem.squashfs
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203[01:34:15] <nullbyte> so you want to extract the files to make an .iso?
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206[01:34:25] <ilCyx86_64> Any ideas on my mouse issue?
207[01:34:44] <transhuman> I want to extract the files so i can mount it chroot into it upgrade it and create a new iso from it ...hopefully
208[01:34:47] <thenewone> sorry no idea
209[01:34:50] <nullbyte> just reconnected. so i have no idea what you mouse issue is.
210[01:35:05] <nullbyte> your*
211[01:35:28] <thenewone> testing qemu :)
212[01:35:34] <nullbyte> transhuman: is there an iso mirror up for your livecd?
213[01:36:00] <transhuman> yes, replaced-url
214[01:36:36] <ilCyx86_64> nullbyte: Hold on while I retype, since I can't use the mouse to copy and paste...
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216[01:37:23] <thenewone> thanks guys
217[01:37:26] <thenewone> working perfect
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219[01:37:48] <nullbyte> ilCyx86_64: ok. no mouse usage at all? that's tough.
220[01:37:52] <ilCyx86_64> So I run Debian testing on my Lenovo laptop (Skylake chipset) and haven't had any issues. Since my last reboot, the mouse does not work at all in gdm; however, it works fine on the login screen. I am running a wayland session, but if I disable it with WaylandEnable=false in gdm's settings, the mouse doesn't work at all. Any idea?
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222[01:39:00] <nullbyte> what do you want to use instead? x11?
223[01:39:18] <ilCyx86_64> Whatever lets the mouse work again, so yes.
224[01:39:29] <grawity> huh? the login screen *is* also gdm
225[01:39:45] <ilCyx86_64> I've seen similar issues online, so I'm not crazy.
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227[01:40:16] <ilCyx86_64> Apparently, the login screen is somewhat separate.
228[01:40:37] <nullbyte> can you switch to tty mode and utilize root/sudo to replace the video driver?
229[01:41:12] <nullbyte> if you do it right now you won't be able to continue this chat.
230[01:41:21] <grawity> it is still gdm and in fact runs the same gnome-shell in wayland mode
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233[01:42:12] <ilCyx86_64> I have terminals open, yes. But I already have the xorg intel drivers installed, how do I switch to them?
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235[01:42:58] <nullbyte> is you mouse hardware detected?
236[01:43:04] <nullbyte> your*
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238[01:44:06] <ilCyx86_64> If I run xinput, it doesn't look like it. Same with lspci
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241[01:44:34] <nullbyte> grawity: it is gdm. but why would the mouse functionality break after logging in?
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243[01:44:59] <nullbyte> what type of mouse?
244[01:45:06] <ilCyx86_64> Built-in touchpad
245[01:45:06] <nullbyte> wireless/wired
246[01:45:31] <nullbyte> do you have a usb mouse to use in the meanwhile?
247[01:46:30] <ilCyx86_64> No, I'm out and I left it at home.
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252[01:47:05] <nullbyte> are you able to irc on another device or something?
253[01:47:22] <nicholas1> Yo, I keep getting a static pop after audio finishes playing (ie end of a notification, youtube video), anyone know how to fix?
254[01:47:29] <ilCyx86_64> Yeah
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258[01:47:48] <nullbyte> nicholas1: you need to give more info than that or you might as well look it up
259[01:48:09] <nicholas1> I'm using alsa without pulse, and am using my integrated sound card
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261[01:48:24] <nullbyte> ilCyx86_64: i ask because in order to switch the display managers, you have to be in tty mode(aka no display manager)
262[01:48:50] <nullbyte> does that pop heard at any other time?
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264[01:48:54] <nicholas1> wait display managers/
265[01:48:58] <nullbyte> is*
266[01:49:13] <nicholas1> The pop only happens when an audio clip finishes playing of its own accord
267[01:49:26] <ilCyx86_64> nullbyte: I'm now tester123 on mobile
268[01:49:27] <nullbyte> how about via vlc or something?
269[01:49:46] <cmhobbs> will debian run on a macbook 4,1?
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271[01:50:08] <nullbyte> cmhobbs: yes and there are online tutorials
272[01:50:36] <cmhobbs> nullbyte: thanks
273[01:50:51] <nicholas1> Sorry trying to work out how to get an mp3 file that's not a virus
274[01:50:52] <nullbyte> tester123: whoops. do you have sudo/root? do you know how to get into tty mode?
275[01:51:04] <tester123> Yes and yes
276[01:51:26] <cmhobbs> wish i could use libre or coreboot with it, too :(
277[01:51:32] <cmhobbs> rescued it from the dumpster
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279[01:52:30] <nullbyte> tester123: i will look up switching between video drivers right now(if you want you can join). i've done it by removing nvidia drivers and replacing it with the foss version. haven't messed with x11 tho
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282[01:53:27] <guyn> bonsoir
283[01:53:29] <nullbyte> tester123: actually, can you try lspci in tty mode?
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285[01:53:57] <guyn> je voudrais remplacer un processus par un autre (faute de frappe)
286[01:54:42] <nicholas1> Funnily enough VLC didn't make the noise, Imma try chromium
287[01:54:52] <bazhang> guyn, en anglais ici
288[01:55:24] <guyn> sorry
289[01:55:30] <tester123> Actually, I think it shows up in under lsusb as "Syntek", not only in the tty
290[01:55:39] <nicholas1> Didn't happen in chromium, I think it's just Firefox
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292[01:56:12] <guyn> what stop a pid ?
293[01:56:28] <guyn> how stop a pid ?
294[01:56:50] <nullbyte> nicholas1: perhaps you can check other sites on firefox?
295[01:57:21] <tester123> nullbyte: see above
296[01:57:34] <nullbyte> tester123: do the specs match roughly?
297[01:57:37] <bazhang> guyn, whats the service/process
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299[01:58:21] <tester123> nullbyte: actually that might be the webcam
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302[01:58:33] <nullbyte> guyn: pkill [pid]
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306[01:59:37] <nullbyte> tester123: hmm are there any other devices that could interfere?
307[01:59:50] <tester123> Shouldn't be anything
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311[02:00:19] <nullbyte> before the reboot were you running wayland?
312[02:00:20] <guyn> bazhang i have create device /dev/lircd by "lircd -d /dev/input/event6 -H dev/input" but the event is 15
313[02:00:48] <tester123> nullbyte: if I was, I wasn't aware
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315[02:01:40] <nullbyte> i have an almost guaranteed solution, but it is tedious and should probably be a last resort.
316[02:01:52] <guyn> bazhang command "lircd -d /dev/input/event15 -H dev/input" no good...
317[02:01:55] <tester123> Rebooting into Windows to see what the vendor is
318[02:02:05] <nullbyte> so you dual boot?
319[02:02:52] <tester123> Yes
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324[02:04:14] <nullbyte> vendor?
325[02:04:24] <tester123> nullbyte: synaptics
326[02:04:45] <guyn> ok with kill...
327[02:05:09] <nullbyte> that's actually funny considering the gui package manager for debian is synaptic
328[02:05:37] <nullbyte> ok so do you see the port the touchmad connects to the motherboard?
329[02:05:44] <nullbyte> touchpad*
330[02:06:17] <nullbyte> guyn: i don't see the issue you want to kill a pid. just do sudo kill [pid]
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334[02:07:59] <tester123> nullbyte not sure
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337[02:09:07] <nullbyte> tester123: i haven't use windows in a while but there's a device manager or something, right? also what version of windows?
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342[02:09:43] <ilCyx86_64> nullbyte: it's win10, but I don't think device manager is helpful enough to show that level of detail
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345[02:11:05] <nullbyte> is the touchpad recognized as a usb device?
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352[02:12:59] <tester123> nullbyte: on my friend's laptop, it seems to appear under lsusb, but my windows says PS/2 port
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354[02:14:01] <nullbyte> does trackpad work for win10?
355[02:14:09] <tester123> Yep,
356[02:14:20] <tester123> And the login screen for gnome
357[02:14:49] <nullbyte> brb
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359[02:15:57] <nullbyte> back
360[02:16:54] <nullbyte> did you change any system config before reboot to touchpad not working?
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362[02:17:59] <tester123> No, but there were plenty of updates over several weeks of uptime
363[02:18:48] <cisc0> replaced-url
364[02:19:03] <nullbyte> do you have a livecd/liveusb?
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366[02:19:37] <tester123> Yes
367[02:19:46] <nullbyte> linux?
368[02:19:50] <tester123> Yes
369[02:20:06] <transhuman> nullbyte, I am installing debian 7 now hopefully its new enough to work with and old enough to be compatible with debian 5 squashfs
370[02:20:16] <nullbyte> boot and see if touchpad works
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372[02:21:14] <tester123> I'll try it, but I know it will work
373[02:21:42] <nullbyte> ok then check check all hardware by lshw
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375[02:22:12] <nullbyte> it should give you the touchpad specs and connection to motherboard
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380[02:25:00] <k-man> one of my debian servers keeps getting an ipv6 nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf which doesn't work for me. my network used to have ipv6 when i was with my old ISP, but my current isp doesn't offer it onfortunately
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382[02:26:02] <k-man> last time I booted the server, it had the correct ip in resolv.conf, then at some point it seems to have changed to the ipv6 ip address
383[02:26:12] <k-man> not sure where to look to fix it
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385[02:26:49] <tester123> nullbyte one sec
386[02:27:08] <nullbyte> transhuman: have you tried unsquashfs?
387[02:27:18] <nullbyte> cisc0: :D
388[02:27:22] <tinnotl> What do you guys do firstly after clean install of debian?
389[02:27:41] <k-man> apt-get install wajig
390[02:27:41] <tinnotl> Should I write shell script to do all my install things like firefox, vlc and stuff?
391[02:28:01] <k-man> depends on how often you need to re-install that stuff i guess
392[02:28:04] <nullbyte> tinnotl: manage sudo priviledges and hardening the system. then again most of it is scripts i wrote to automate it
393[02:28:13] <abrotman> pretty short shell script ..
394[02:28:23] <dvs> tinnotl, why do you have to write a script to install stuff?
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396[02:28:31] <k-man> apt-get install and-stuff
397[02:29:01] <k-man> i think his question is "i like to install a lot of stuff after a clean install, how can I automate that process somewhat?"
398[02:29:02] <nullbyte> dvs: you could manually do it. just a lot of typing/clicking in synaptic
399[02:29:03] <tinnotl> dvs: Idk, so you don't do it manually everytime you install new os.
400[02:29:22] <abrotman> keep a package list, not a "script" ?
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403[02:29:32] <k-man> s/his/the op's
404[02:29:33] <nullbyte> k-man: then scripts are great
405[02:29:34] <abrotman> dpkg: tell tinnotl about aptitude clone
406[02:29:42] <tester123> nullbyte: so I have the touchpad info from dmesg
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408[02:29:57] <dvs> tinnotl, once it's installed, I usually don't have to worry about installing things again.
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410[02:30:13] <k-man> tinnotl, you could write a little script and put it on github, then after re-installing, you could just fetch it off github with curl, and run it
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412[02:30:56] <nullbyte> tester123: is the livecd same os as main install?
413[02:31:22] <tester123> Debian 8.2 vs debian testing/stretch
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415[02:32:00] <tinnotl> k-man: Yep, that's what I thought as well.
416[02:32:08] <abrotman> making it way too complicated
417[02:32:40] <awal1> How to make/allow 'wdm' poweroff the machine?
418[02:32:59] <nullbyte> abrotman: same difference. you can make a script install a list of packages and auto resolve dependencies
419[02:33:10] <nullbyte> tester123: thinking a bit on it
420[02:33:27] <awal1> Wdm is able to suspend/reboot but not poweroff
421[02:33:54] <awal1> but the option is there
422[02:33:59] <abrotman> nullbyte: disagree
423[02:34:15] <nullbyte> abrotman: elaborate please
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426[02:34:41] <k-man> what is wdm?
427[02:34:49] <abrotman> There's already a mechanism to repeatedly install the same packages .. no need to write a script to do that
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431[02:35:42] <nullbyte> tester123: tester123_ same?
432[02:35:44] <k-man> abrotman, is this the clone mechanism you are talking about? replaced-url
433[02:35:50] <tester123_> Yes
434[02:36:13] <tester123_> Lost Conn on first nick
435[02:36:19] <abrotman> k-man: The bot said what it said .
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439[02:37:24] <k-man> ok, yep, i agree with abrotman
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442[02:38:09] <nullbyte> tester123_: is the same port available on the testing install?
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444[02:38:27] <nullbyte> port as in motherboard ps/2
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448[02:41:04] <nullbyte> abrotman: are those not scripts? am i missing something?
449[02:41:23] <netsin> setup SElinux :D
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452[02:44:20] <tinnotl> Anyways, thanks for the answers guys. Gtg, laterz.:)
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454[02:44:47] <MurciLee> Hi All. What happen to the Debian's Iceweseal and Firefox ESR? When I installed Debian Sid to my Laptop a year ago, there was iceweasel installed by default, but today I installed Debian Testing on my second laptop and upgraded it to sid, iceweasel become firefox-esr.
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456[02:45:16] <markybob> MurciLee: yep. policies changed. now it's firefox.
457[02:45:32] <netsin> will no longer be named iceweasel yeah
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460[02:45:56] <tester123_> nullbyte: dmesg looks very different. It shows "ideapad extra buttons" in the input 7 slot where the livecd showed synaptics
461[02:45:59] <MurciLee> markybob: wow! That's nice. The icon is much better
462[02:47:02] <nullbyte> tester123_: does anything match synaptics? the ports shouldn't rearrange on different oses
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465[02:47:38] <dvs> it was always firefox!!!! ;-)
466[02:47:44] <tester123_> No, nothing resembling any component of it
467[02:47:48] <nullbyte> just rebranded
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469[02:48:13] <nullbyte> does the "ideapad..." match in other aspects?
470[02:48:44] <tester123_> No
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474[02:50:00] <markybob> tester123_: saying "no" doesn't make it true.
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480[02:51:06] <nullbyte> tester123_: it shouldn't be the display manager causing this.
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483[02:51:20] <MurciLee> How about thunderbird? is there thunderbird esr too?
484[02:51:34] <markybob> MurciLee: not yet
485[02:51:35] <ilCyx86_64> nullbyte: But why does it work just fine at the login screen?
486[02:51:43] <dvs> MurciLee, thunderbird is no longer handled by Mozilla
487[02:51:46] <nullbyte> i'm actually shocked you can navigate around with ony keyboard
488[02:52:13] <nullbyte> replaced-url
489[02:52:20] <MurciLee> dvs: I still upgrading my thunderbird by ubuntuzilla
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492[02:52:53] <MurciLee> And there's thunderbird page on mozilla.org as well
493[02:52:55] <ilCyx86_64> nullbyte: Keyboard shortcuts and terminals FTW. Also Vimium in the browser.
494[02:53:30] <nullbyte> tester123_: at that point, control is with root account from init if i recall correctly
495[02:53:37] <nullbyte> or it's with nobody
496[02:53:48] <ilCyx86_64> Yeah, so it's when perms drop to my user
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499[02:54:29] <nullbyte> i think so. does sudo dmesg produce same results?
500[02:55:28] <ilCyx86_64> That's what I was already doing. It's hilarious; mouse doesn't work, hit the lock button and it works just fine until I enter my password again.
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503[02:56:29] <nullbyte> ok
504[02:59:23] <nullbyte> are there other users? maybe it's your environment variables?
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506[02:59:44] <nullbyte> if you can login to another user or just make a temp one
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509[03:00:14] <de-facto> can i somehow reset my python packages? where does python store all its black magic when caching and installing stuff outside the normal debian packages?
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511[03:01:31] <markybob> de-facto: what you do outside of debian packages isnt supported. ask #python
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517[03:04:38] <nullbyte> tester123_: results?
518[03:04:45] <okee> How can I stop the boot during bootup, so that I can study what I am seeing on my screen? There has been some progress with respect to getting external drives viewable. I deleted a windows directory created earlier in /dev, and that seemed to bring up the menu. However, the contents of the external drives is still not viewable.
519[03:04:59] <de-facto> markybob i did not do anything outside debian packages, python may have though hence my question
520[03:05:32] <nullbyte> okee: have you tried mounting it?
521[03:05:34] <ilCyx86_64> nullbyte: New user still doesn't work
522[03:06:06] <nullbyte> ilCyx86_64: ok so it's just privilege dropping for all users
523[03:06:26] <okee> nullbyte> Mounting what?
524[03:06:41] <nullbyte> okee: the external drives
525[03:07:05] <okee> nullbyte> The external drives are already mounted, but there is some type of internal conflict going on.
526[03:07:54] <nullbyte> okee: why can't you read from it then? mount as ro and as long as drivers are fine, it should work. assuming /dev is intact
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528[03:08:21] <ilCyx86_64> Yep
529[03:08:27] <nullbyte> ilCyx86_64: are there any mice in your proximity?
530[03:08:38] <ilCyx86_64> Sadly, no. But I don't think that would help.
531[03:08:51] <okee> nullbyte> Problem after upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie, and was likely exacerbated by advice given in this channel about which directory to mount the foreign drives.
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534[03:10:03] <nullbyte> ilCyx86_64: it could just be your trackpad. i'll need a bit of pondering to get through
535[03:10:20] <ilCyx86_64> It's definitely just the trackpad/gnome
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537[03:10:37] <nullbyte> okee: where did you mount the drives?
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540[03:11:52] <nullbyte> have you tried touchpad detection in settings/the equivalent of such?
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548[03:14:26] <ilCyx86_64> nullbyte: Yes
549[03:14:44] <ilCyx86_64> It's clear that it's not allowing it to work at all when I'm logged in
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557[03:15:56] <Windows98> replaced-url
558[03:16:12] <nullbyte> ilCyx86_64: have you found others with solutions?
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560[03:16:56] <ilCyx86_64> I found similar issues where it didn't work after login, and I think one solution was to disable wayland. Which didn't seem to work for me
561[03:17:13] <nullbyte> is wayland still disabled?
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563[03:17:41] <ilCyx86_64> No
564[03:17:53] <ilCyx86_64> I enabled it again
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566[03:18:17] <nullbyte> ok so far back to where you were.
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569[03:19:35] <nullbyte> sorry. can't think of anything on the spot except for drastic measures.
570[03:19:44] <ilCyx86_64> What drastic measures are you thinking of
571[03:19:45] <ilCyx86_64> ?
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573[03:20:27] <somiaj> Is this an issue with droping permissions not allowing access to the mouse?
574[03:20:38] <nullbyte> yes
575[03:20:47] <nullbyte> trackpad that is
576[03:21:00] <ilCyx86_64> And yes, I've added myself to the "input" group
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578[03:21:39] <somiaj> as a temp fix, just chmod/chown the actual device to give the user permissions, as a more permanate fix you can configure udev. I have the issue with my mouse and normal start x, I just chmod it each time I boot cause I'm to lazy to automate it
579[03:22:36] <ilCyx86_64> somiaj: What is the device name?
580[03:22:36] <nullbyte> somiaj: but if you chmod it no one else would be able to use it
581[03:22:43] <ilCyx86_64> That's fine for me
582[03:23:03] <nullbyte> /dev/.... sry not helpful i know
583[03:23:13] <ilCyx86_64> I mean I have a mouse0
584[03:23:58] <ilCyx86_64> Once you chmod it, it should just work?
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587[03:24:47] <nullbyte> then you would have ownership so yes?
588[03:25:42] <ryouma> is ddc/ci fully supported on linux for intel?
589[03:26:08] <nullbyte> ddc? ic?
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591[03:26:20] <tester123_> nullbyte nope doesn't work
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593[03:27:01] <nullbyte> tester123_: i'll lookup the dev codes for trackpads but mouse sounds intuitive
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597[03:28:40] <okee> nullbyte> I am not sure why I can't read from them. Something got messed up during the upgrade. A friend is calling me, and wants me to go visit for 1-2 hrs, so I won't be back for awhile.
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599[03:29:05] <tester123_> Nullbyte thanks for your help
600[03:29:27] <nullbyte> tester123_: it works? and you're welcome
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602[03:29:54] <nullbyte> okee: leaving now? if so, mount them to /mnt or something from a livecd/liveusb
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604[03:31:09] <okee> nullbyte> By default Debian put things in /media/username Tried placing them in /mtn and they wouldn't even show up in the menu. So i am not convinced that is the right place to put them. I need to go; back later.
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606[03:31:51] <nullbyte> tester123_: useful link if issue is not resolved replaced-url
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609[03:34:25] <somiaj> nullbyte: dpeneds on what it is set, on my machine the device is root.root 600 so I change it to 660 and just change the group so my user can activaite it.
610[03:34:42] <somiaj> ilCyx86_64: unsure, check the logs to see what device is actually being ordered. Check to see your user has correct permissions.
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613[03:36:57] <nullbyte> somiaj: ok what group does the device have at default?
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617[03:38:17] <somiaj> nullbyte: root.root and no one but root has permissions. But I got it to work here, I think it is because I still have /dev/psaux for an old mouse configured. I'm just trying to say check the device and permissions, it maybe that only root has access.
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619[03:38:57] <somiaj> but I did get errors in my Xorg.0.conf file telling me which device it could not access, I would only do this if the issue is permissions on the device (and it isn't configured for some group already)
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621[03:39:46] <nullbyte> somiaj: affirmative
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624[03:40:45] <ryouma> nullbyte: ddc/ci is the monitor control protocol
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814[04:53:48] <greenguy> I need some help on how to register a nick on IRC, I'm trying to get in #linux. I did the: /msg nickserv register and /msg nickserv group but it wont work. :(
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817[04:54:34] <somiaj> greenguy: you should ask in #freenode and have you read /msg nickserv help?
818[04:54:36] <nullbyte> /msg nickserv register [password] [email]
819[04:54:49] <kanotix> /msg nickserv help register
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821[04:56:03] <SynxSynxSynx> Hey all, I"m having difficulty mounting an NFS share created by freenas. I"m getting access denied. Set up a syslog server and not seeing any connection attempts. I followed this tutorial, replaced-url
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824[04:56:27] <SynxSynxSynx> I have other devices using the share, I've confirmed hostname resolution as well
825[04:56:52] <SynxSynxSynx> No security, no firewall between host and nfs share
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923[05:36:19] <hanasaki> using jessie : sees my phone on bluetooth however immediately disconnects . can someone help? what should I look for in the logs to give you the info you need to help?
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937[05:43:43] <Waxhead> I am concerned my favorite package is not getting the love it deserves (codeblocks). An update is available at the programs main website that fixes plenty of bugs, yet it has not been pulled into unstable yet. How can I get some momentum on this package? e.g. flag it as "unmaintained" (if that really is the case)
938[05:45:13] <nullbyte> it has been available since when?
939[05:45:22] <nullbyte> the update that is
940[05:45:49] <Waxhead> Since January - but there has been nightlies that fixes a lot of bugs in the "stable" version which is basically useless
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942[05:46:25] <Waxhead> There is a conflict with some GUI libraries that makes codeblocks crash randomly all the time.
943[05:46:35] <TomTomTosch> sid is at the current stable release of codeblocks. i don't think that will change until they release a new stable.
944[05:47:00] <TomTomTosch> so go poke the codeblocks devs :P
945[05:47:01] <nullbyte> it's really up to the package maintainers to push an update
946[05:47:11] <Waxhead> TomTomTosch: replaced-url
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949[05:47:39] <Waxhead> nullbyte: what if the package maintainer seems to have lost interest? how should I proceed then?
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961[05:49:40] <nullbyte> if so, you have to reach out to whoever manages the sid repos and take over. however, this would require you having a valid claim to the IP.
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963[05:50:03] <pbase> iceweasel on latest jessie is having a memory leak on any javascript intensive site. Is anyone else too having the same symptoms on it?
964[05:50:06] <nullbyte> take over as the package maintainer*
965[05:50:06] <Waxhead> (the latest "stable" is in fact from 2013 and while that may not be significant in the debian world, it is a problem when the package is unstable e.g. crashes randomly.... I admit I have not filed a bug against that)
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967[05:50:29] <mrrhq> pbase: I've already "upgraded" to Firefox. :p
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969[05:50:32] <suh_dude_> Hi!
970[05:50:40] <suh_dude_> How can I set up wireless printing with an HP printer?
971[05:50:40] <mrrhq> Hello.
972[05:50:42] <Waxhead> nullbyte: I don't think I am package maintainer material :)
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974[05:51:10] <mrrhq> suh_dude_: Most likely. depends on the printer and if it has supported hplip drivers.
975[05:51:20] <pbase> mrrhq: hopefully the package maintainer too does that..
976[05:51:40] <mrrhq> I've also been lazy setting up my printer..
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979[05:52:09] <nullbyte> Waxhead: you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. you could just install from source.
980[05:52:10] <pbase> trying chromium now
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983[05:53:03] <Waxhead> nullbyte: or just grab the debian packages from the codeblocks main website ... :) .... however it would be nice to get those in the debian repos
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985[05:53:46] <nullbyte> Waxhead: that too. didn't know they packaged nightlies
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988[05:54:16] <Waxhead> nullbyte: they do , and they package the latest stable which in my view is much more important.... not to mention delicious :)
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991[05:54:32] <mrrhq> Nightlies that use shared libraries can be a pain on stable though, may not work.
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993[05:54:45] <mrrhq> By that I mean nightlies of anything.
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995[05:55:44] <pbase> chromium works fine. problem with the current jessie iceweasel package. it is not stable!
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997[05:55:45] <nullbyte> i personally use stable for stability. sid is too upstream for me
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999[05:56:38] <mrrhq> pbase: How about Firefox? It's now in the repos. You can try out firefox or firefox-esr.
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1005[05:57:45] <mrrhq> Iceweasel is gone from Sid now, so next Debian release I'd expect the same.
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1008[05:59:17] <pbase> not in the jessie repo. still iceweasel
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1014[06:01:14] <somiaj> pbase: it will be firefox
1015[06:01:39] <mrrhq> pbase: Ah, alright. You can try out instructions on mozilla.debian.net. :)
1016[06:01:39] <somiaj> pbase: security has stoped backporting fixes for browsers (they often to hapen) and is now using the esr release of firefox (part of the reason debian has been allowed to use the logo again)
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1018[06:02:36] <somiaj> note the current iceweasel was firefox-esr, but firefox-esr has just recentally updated to a new version which is part of why the change back to firefox is happening
1019[06:03:17] <pbase> what does esr stand for
1020[06:03:24] <somiaj> extensed repease
1021[06:03:31] <somiaj> arg, extended release
1022[06:03:36] <mrrhq> Firefox for me has been going well so far, the only problem I've noticed is that now Shumway isn't working, even though it was working in Iceweasel. It's very odd.
1023[06:03:41] <somiaj> replaced-url
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1025[06:03:59] <mrrhq> I don't view that many Flashes anyway.
1026[06:04:16] <somiaj> mrrhq: there was a jump in version from 38 (the old esr or iceweasel) to 45 (the new esr), that could explain some differences.
1027[06:04:27] <somiaj> the branding shouldn't have effected differences, but the base version being used could have
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1029[06:05:23] <somiaj> note the change to 45 still maybe be a bit in stable, as the current esr seems to have 1 more month of support by the link above.
1030[06:06:25] <mrrhq> somiaj: Could be, but I ever tired reinstalling Shumway, and barely even any Flashes that use to work have worked now. Maybe they're overhauling it a lot. I'd like to see more results of people testing it out on both stable and Sid.
1031[06:07:00] <mrrhq> Nevermind what I said about reinstalling, I did update it.
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1038[06:08:56] <somiaj> mrrhq: I don't know what Shumway is, but if you want a less otudated flash-plugin, there is a wrapper for pepper flash for napi (firefox)
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1043[06:10:39] <mrrhq> NPAPI is dying off anyway. Not too sure how long it will be.
1044[06:10:59] <somiaj> is firefox switching over to PAPI too?
1045[06:11:05] <somiaj> or its own new api?
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1047[06:12:19] <mrrhq> replaced-url
1048[06:12:22] <mrrhq> web platform work to make those use cases possible.
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1054[06:12:44] <mrrhq> I guess that's the status Quo at Mozilla now.
1055[06:12:49] <somiaj> sounds like they just want to get rid of plugins
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1058[06:13:27] <wqe> we're better off without them :-)
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1065[06:13:33] <mrrhq> Will Chrome/Chromium follow? I kinda wanted plugins to stay, so I could also use Libreoffice in the browser, lol.
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1069[06:14:05] <mrrhq> They were talking about making collaborative editing too or something.
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1071[06:14:24] <somiaj> I think it would be nice to not need them, but there are still a few places that need to be dealt with before it can become fully realized in my opinoin.
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1073[06:14:52] <somiaj> but we drift, I was just pointing out there are some ways to get things in the current status
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1077[06:15:39] <mrrhq> The biggest issue holding NPAPI back is joing to be Java Web Services.
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1079[06:16:02] <mrrhq> Some Websites still use Flash/Java, even for banking.
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1083[06:16:32] <somiaj> only reason I have iceweasel installed is for java
1084[06:17:18] <nullbyte> it is disabled in iceweasel for me
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1090[06:19:45] <somiaj> nullbyte: java? You need to install the plugin as a seperate package.
1091[06:19:57] <somiaj> though I use it so rarely I don't know about the current state.
1092[06:20:12] <nullbyte> i know i just don't use flash nor java
1093[06:20:22] <somiaj> then don't need to worry about it. (:
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1096[06:23:14] <mrrhq> Honestly, I think I only use Flash for Newgrounds and XXX, I don't know what games I'd play in Java nowadays. Most of those types games I could even play on Android.
1097[06:24:36] <nullbyte> mrrhq: newgrounds = game website? XXX needs flash?
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1100[06:25:09] <TomTomTosch> even newgrounds moved away from flash mostly. anymations are converted and many games are in engines like unity and don't need flash.
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1103[06:28:22] <nullbyte> TomTomTosch: unity is required to be installed to use unity
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1105[06:28:32] <mrrhq> TomTomTosch: Oh really? I knew they were going to HTML5. But would be intresting to know how they convert them.
1106[06:28:43] <nullbyte> and it requires NPAPI support
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1110[06:30:29] <TomTomTosch> pretty sure they don't for some time now.
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1114[06:32:11] <TomTomTosch> it's WebGL since Unity 5 says a quick google.
1115[06:33:40] <nullbyte> ok
1116[06:34:10] <dez> im trying to install i2p but i cant get the key ( replaced-url
1117[06:34:17] <dez> i cant use the paste either
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1121[06:39:12] <nullbyte> dez: are you unable to retrieve the key or is the key not trusted?
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1124[06:41:18] <dez> gpg: can't open `i2p-debian-repo.key.asc': No such file or directory
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1126[06:42:30] <mrrhq> dez: You need to download it from your browser and save it. :p
1127[06:42:55] <dez> and then?
1128[06:43:04] <dez> save it where?
1129[06:43:25] <nullbyte> save it anwehre then you add the key
1130[06:43:33] <nullbyte> anywhere*
1131[06:43:39] <mrrhq> Save it in the same directory you're running the apt-key add command
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1136[06:45:15] <nullbyte> mrrhq: polluting your home directory isn't a good idea(if your shell defaults to ~)
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1146[06:50:00] <mrrhq> I know, I have a downloads directory. It's XDG standard, yo.
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1148[06:50:42] <hiya> I want a general advice, if I am going to host Debian Jessie server for someone, which would serve as ovpn server, Should I do FDE on all those VMs? just to protect server.key | server.crt | ta.key | dh4k.pem | server.conf | and other configuration leaks in case provider tries to fetch all the files? Would FDE even stop provider? Is FDE generally advised at all on VPS?
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1197[07:27:11] <jonathanpoon> hi everyone, I'm using gnome and I'm trying to add an application to my main menu. However, when I select the icon, the application does not launch. The program launches when I run it through the terminal
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1200[07:27:30] <jonathanpoon> is there a log that keeps track of what may be going wrong?
1201[07:28:39] <nullbyte> you can edit the command for the application icon
1202[07:28:52] <nullbyte> change it to the one that works in the shell
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1206[07:29:38] <jonathanpoon> nullbyte, didn't work
1207[07:30:08] <nullbyte> try changing it to gedit or something see if that works
1208[07:30:12] <donoban> jonathanpoon: are you using full path? /usr/bin/xxx?
1209[07:30:16] <donoban> maybe it helps
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1214[07:30:43] <donoban> if you dont know what is the full path, try whereis <command> in a terminal
1215[07:32:01] <jonathanpoon> tried it both ways
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1217[07:32:02] <jonathanpoon> doesn't work
1218[07:32:22] <jonathanpoon> very confusing...is there a log where I find out what gnome would complain?
1219[07:32:55] <donoban> I don't use gnome sorry, could you check how is a working icon? maybe there is something different
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1224[07:35:42] <bugzc_> I seem to be having a lot of bad luck with my debian install today. Hibernation wasn't working from X, and I noticed uswsusp wasn't installed. Installed, rebooted, now it is stuck at 'Scanning for Btrfs filesystems' and won't finish booting.
1225[07:35:46] <bugzc_> Any suggestions?
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1227[07:37:01] <bugzc_> Also won't boot in recovery mode.
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1240[07:43:56] <nullFam> try livecd/liveusb and fsck
1241[07:45:08] <bugzc> booted with an alternative older kernel entry in grub, ran 'apt-get purge uswsusp' and it magically started to work
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1247[07:47:49] <zeorin> I'm trying to install packages from a PPA into my sources, but one of the packages just isn't found by apt. It's there in the PPA, and on Ubuntu I can install that package. But on Debian I cannot, even after adding the PPA and updating sources.
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1250[07:48:05] <zeorin> The package is called 'freetype' and I'm running Debian Stretch
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1252[07:48:43] <zeorin> The PPA I'm working with is replaced-url
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1255[07:49:09] <zeorin> Interesting is that the 'freetype' package isn't in the default Stretch repos either.
1256[07:49:42] <koris> does anyone here know how to disable the journal in ext4 during install?
1257[07:49:59] <zeorin> Or am I misunderstanding how packages are listed on Launchpad
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1260[07:50:35] <donoban> zeorin: ubuntu's PPA's are not builded with Debian on mind, it's normal that it fails
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1262[07:51:38] <donoban> also if you are using Stretch maybe you could get help on #debian-next (on OFTC)
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1265[07:52:05] <zeorin> donoban: I know. I take full responsibility for anything going wrong...
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1267[07:52:31] <zeorin> But I'm just confused that apt can't find this package... I've installed lotsa stuff from Ubuntu PPAs on Debian before..
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1269[07:52:32] <cuchufli> Is there a correct way to enable tap-to-click for a synaptics touchpad in debian? I'm using KDE and my tap settings are not "sticking," something is overwriting my previously saved settings.
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1271[07:53:26] <zeorin> Is is possible that what's listed as a 'package' on launchpad isn't really a package in the apt sense?
1272[07:55:53] <donoban> listed as 'package' dependencies?
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1274[07:56:19] <AvatarA> koris, there's an option to drop to shell in the installer
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1279[08:00:37] <koris> yeah, but how do I disable the journal from the shell?
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1281[08:01:14] <zeorin> donoban: OK, so I confused source packages with binary packages.
1282[08:02:30] <donoban> did you found what you need?
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1284[08:03:07] <AvatarA> koris, gtg, search on google, ext4 disable journal
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1286[08:03:45] <koris> well thank you for attempting
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1292[08:04:08] <AvatarA> you can create ext4 manually, without journaling
1293[08:04:19] <AvatarA> or modify existing ones
1294[08:04:22] <AvatarA> then resume install
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1335[08:23:51] <zeorin> donoban: yes I sorted it out, thanks
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1340[08:26:22] <donoban> nice, take care of using 3º party software on Debian zeorin. Something as innocent like a font could be a security risk. e.g. Debian Security disabled graphite from iceweasel today.
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1395[08:49:40] <darsie> I wish I could import photos from my phone and card reader again.
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1450[09:17:36] <Aebian> whats the best tool to copy the content of a file into the clipboard using the comand line and no GUI?
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1455[09:20:32] <gcbirzan> Aebian: look into xclip
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1458[09:21:02] <ghostinzshell> I noticed there are three perpetual extensions in my Chromium instance (Bookmark Manager, CryptoTokenExtension & Chromium PDF viewer). Has this been the default for awhile?
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1460[09:21:23] <ghostinzshell> I cannot disable these extension, nor can I prevent them from running in Incognito mode.
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1463[09:21:51] <Aebian> gcbirzan: ah yes I just found that, thanks
1464[09:23:02] <Aebian> gcbirzan: Error: Can't open display: (null) I can't use it because it somehow needs x11 or similiar I think
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1473[09:28:32] <topi`> on which channel are the devs for jessie on arm64 architecture?
1474[09:28:43] <topi`> some packages seem to be incomplete
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1521[10:00:06] <nullbyte> ghostinzshell: you can just manually delete the extension files
1522[10:00:34] <ghostinzshell> nullbyte: The chromium directory inside my home directory?
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1524[10:01:04] <nullbyte> it should be there
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1527[10:01:41] <nullbyte> i only speak from experience with chrome on windows, but i doubt chromium devs changed it from the chrome branch
1528[10:01:41] <ghostinzshell> I've actually tried nuking the chromium directories in both .config and .local/share
1529[10:01:55] <ghostinzshell> Then I uninstalled and reinstalled Chromium, it's still there.
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1531[10:02:13] <nullbyte> rootkits anywhere?
1532[10:02:21] <nullbyte> just throwing it out there
1533[10:02:28] <ghostinzshell> That's what I've thought.
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1535[10:03:26] <ghostinzshell> I've tried scanning my home directory with ClamAV, nothing so far.
1536[10:03:34] <nullbyte> can you find the extensions directory under the user profile directory or something?
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1541[10:04:48] <ghostinzshell> Nothing much going on inside my .config/chromium directory
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1545[10:05:12] <ghostinzshell> I only got extension data for uBlock Origin.
1546[10:05:51] <nullbyte> only one extension listed? ok
1547[10:06:00] <nullbyte> have you checked /usr/local and /usr/share?
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1549[10:06:24] <nullbyte> screenshot of the extension page in chromium would be much appreciated
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1551[10:06:45] <ghostinzshell> nullbyte: Sure, I'll put it on imgur. Give me a second
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1553[10:07:02] <dionysus69> do you recommend mailutils over dovecot?
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1557[10:07:53] <ghostinzshell> nullbyte: replaced-url
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1562[10:09:19] <nullbyte> do the details provide extension ids?
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1564[10:09:46] <nullbyte> ghostinzshell: ^
1565[10:09:53] <ghostinzshell> nullbyte: I can get another screenshot with developer mode. it'll list the ids.
1566[10:10:10] <nullbyte> ok
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1570[10:12:32] <ghostinzshell> nullbyte: replaced-url
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1575[10:13:56] <nullbyte> i've seen the crypto one(or one like it) before on a corporate computer(windows)
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1577[10:14:36] <nullbyte> all of the extensions are hidden somewhere. have you checked the install location of chromium?
1578[10:14:51] <ghostinzshell> Hmm, hold on.
1579[10:15:21] <ghostinzshell> nullbyte: /usr/share doesn't yield much, just two files.
1580[10:15:33] <ghostinzshell> master_preferences and initial_bookmarks.html
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1582[10:16:07] <nullbyte> those should be safe.
1583[10:17:07] <RobinC> well thats an awsome start to a morning, sever power cycled over the weekend and come in to find slapd is seg faulting. So all auth is failing on all services \o/
1584[10:17:11] <ghostinzshell> Just did a locate on my computer. Nothing stands out to me.
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1589[10:18:45] <nullbyte> the extension names seem legitimate but i highly doubt they are. i looked up the crypto one and it seems to be a virus
1590[10:19:03] <ghostinzshell> nullbyte: Yea, that's why I'm asking around.
1591[10:19:23] <ghostinzshell> I'm running Debian Sid. If I did get infected with something, it's certainly a first among many.
1592[10:19:38] <nullbyte> run a locate on cryptotoken and from some parent dir resources
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1594[10:19:49] <nullbyte> dir name "resources"
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1598[10:22:00] <nullbyte> after that ls ~/.config/chromium/Default/Extensions
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1600[10:23:36] <nullbyte> have to leave approx. 30-40 minutes
1601[10:23:44] <ghostinzshell> nullbyte: Ran a "locate resources | grep chromium"
1602[10:23:49] <ghostinzshell> Nothing interesting.
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1604[10:24:22] <bittin> Is there any easy way to delete/update the Squeeze stuff in sources.lst ?
1605[10:24:27] <ghostinzshell> nullbyte: Only got the extension folder for uBlock Origin in .config/chromium/Default/Extensions
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1628[10:34:35] <bittin> yarre_: E: Release file for replaced-url
1629[10:34:49] <bittin> E: Release file for replaced-url
1630[10:34:57] <bittin> just delete från sources.lst ?
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1644[10:39:58] <ghostinzshell> What backup program is recommended? BorgBackup in Sid seems to be screwing up extracting archives.
1645[10:40:05] <bittin> fixed :)
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1674[10:56:34] <Iridos> ghostinzshell, as you're talking about sid, I guess the recommended thing is to write a bug-report with all the relevant information, and ideally with a an analysis what goes wrong or better yet, a fix
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1677[10:57:30] <ghostinzshell> Iridos: I've no idea of any fixes, I'll try digging around a bit more, maybe even reformatting. Just in case I am actually infected with a rootkit.
1678[10:57:34] <Iridos> and being in sid, it seems you get to be the first... replaced-url
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1682[10:59:11] <ghostinzshell> Iridos: Oh, you're refering to BorgBackup. My mistake, I thought you were referring to another issue I'm having with Chromium.
1683[10:59:44] <Iridos> ah no. not awake enough to scroll back that far yet
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1693[11:02:34] <AlwaysHigh> whats a secure method for transfering files between debian servers via commandline?
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1695[11:02:45] <AlwaysHigh> something that supports rsa keys
1696[11:02:49] <AlwaysHigh> would be good
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1698[11:03:06] <teclo-> scp
1699[11:03:21] <teclo-> scp will use the same keys and protocols than ssh
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1702[11:03:41] <AlwaysHigh> only one i know is rsync
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1705[11:04:04] <AlwaysHigh> but scp > rsync
1706[11:04:05] <AlwaysHigh> ?
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1710[11:04:51] <ksk> scp is more like for single files, rsync to compare remote and local diretories
1711[11:05:01] <AlwaysHigh> coolies
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1713[11:05:12] <AlwaysHigh> does scp support directorys too?
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1726[11:08:06] <jelly> AlwaysHigh: rsync over ssh uses the same security mechasnisms as scp or sftp do. scp is a quick hack, doesn't deal well with symlinks so if you're used to rsync keep doing that
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1728[11:08:37] <txdv> rsync is the better tool
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1730[11:08:40] <txdv> scp is the faster
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1733[11:08:58] <txdv> i mean easier configuration/default settings
1734[11:09:04] <txdv> not in the sense that it works faster
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1740[11:10:26] <jelly> however, sometimes you don't have rsync on both ends and that's a requirement
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1744[11:11:36] <AlwaysHigh> na i will
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1748[11:15:26] <rafalcpp> libsystem0:i386 is broken because it conflicts with libsystem0 - what is this?
1749[11:15:31] <rafalcpp> on debian stable
1750[11:15:40] <rafalcpp> on debian stable 86_64 to be exact
1751[11:16:04] <jelly> rafalcpp: what are you trying to do?
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1753[11:16:33] <rafalcpp> jelly: nothing, just noticed that this package is in broken state
1754[11:16:34] <jelly> that happens with packages that are not multiarch compliant yet
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1757[11:16:45] <jelly> if you don't need it, remove it
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1760[11:17:22] <rafalcpp> oh ok. I recall now, installed some :i386 to support a precompiled binary program.
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1763[11:19:09] <RoyK> rafalcpp: iirc you just need ia32-libs
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1789[11:28:42] <Iridos> what's libsystem0
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1792[11:29:13] <Iridos> was that supposed to be libsystemd0?
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1834[11:48:56] <ksk> Iridos: "apt-cache show libsystemd0"
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1837[11:50:12] <Iridos> ksk, scroll back up further :)
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1849[11:58:47] <kisser> hey.
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1855[11:59:35] <kisser> am trying to remove a compiled
1856[11:59:39] <kisser> TCL 8.3.4
1857[12:00:01] <kisser> i deleted al files and i serached for all files and its still using tcl 8.3.4
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1859[12:00:35] <kisser> anyone knows place where tcl library are putten
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1867[12:02:38] <kisser> found it :P
1868[12:02:40] <kisser> /usr/local/lib/tclConfig.sh
1869[12:02:45] <kisser> the bitch was hidding there.
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1888[12:11:46] <casper_> Hi, E: Release file expired, ignoring replaced-url
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1914[12:24:30] <jelly> casper_: there's lots of manual work moving stuff to archive.debian.org, but it usually gets fixed in a couple days-weeks
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1928[12:31:16] <casper_> jelly, Thanks. That's good news. Still can't believe squeeze LTS ended
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1931[12:32:57] <jelly> it's been 5+ years since squeeze was released
1932[12:33:51] <marduk> if i change the resolv.conf by command line, the network-manager write on it and i lose my file or my configuration will become the default?
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1934[12:34:27] <marduk> someone know that?
1935[12:34:54] <kisser> too bad.
1936[12:35:03] <kisser> we should move on
1937[12:35:06] <jelly> marduk: it will get overridden sooner or later. You need to edit your n-m setup or change how your dhcp client works
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1939[12:35:11] <jelly> !override dns
1940[12:35:11] <dpkg> To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
1941[12:35:19] <jelly> marduk: ^^
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1944[12:36:38] <marduk> thanks
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1946[12:39:40] <jelly> marduk: I have no idea if n-m uses that dhcp client (there's more than one) but it's worth a try
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1955[12:42:23] <RobinC> so what i've learnt from todays disasterous update is my ldap backup is inadaquate
1956[12:43:00] * jelly slaps RobinC with a cat
1957[12:43:16] <RobinC> no slaping i've had enough of slapd today ;-)
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1961[12:45:38] <cavr> hi, some help needed in installation of Jessie through USB (live version)
1962[12:45:41] <RobinC> looks like there is a particular edge case from oldstable->stable where slapd can choke on a library issue and bork the upgrade. A power fail during upgrade continuted to the issue. And due to bad timing by ldap backup ldiff was 0 bytes as slapcat was also segfaulting and overwrote the backup which got rsycned to backup servers with no versioning ;-/
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1966[12:47:03] <cavr> I have a uefi laptop. I know the live versions have no efi support so I followed replaced-url
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1969[12:48:11] <cavr> the problem is up ahead, after partitioning, when doing the "intall base system" an error appears: "debootstrap error, failed to determine the codename for the release"
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1974[12:48:44] <halt> Hi guys, I try to package up some of my code I used dpkg-statoverride to set the permissions but I just find out that it's not recursive, is there any good recommended way to handle it ? or should I just run chown -R in the postinst ?
1975[12:48:46] <jelly> RobinC: at least you now know to fix the backup procedure!
1976[12:48:59] <cavr> I've tried some stuff (mount as cdrom like replaced-url
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1979[12:49:56] <cavr> my idea is to repeat what the installer is doing through command line (like in old Gentoo installations)
1980[12:49:58] <jelly> halt: you probably shouldn't have to chown -R packaged files
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1982[12:50:05] <cavr> is there a guide or something to do that?
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1985[12:50:42] <jelly> halt: if it's a quick hack noone else will use, then sure, put it in postinst / configure
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1988[12:52:56] <halt> jelly: the file by default own by root I need it to be owned by replaced-url
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1992[12:53:59] <halt> not only the folder but all the files in the folder
1993[12:54:28] <halt> ( it's the static content of an webapp btw )
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1998[12:57:18] <jelly> halt: do not ship files that are going to be modified in your package. Create it from a template in postinst if you need to.
1999[12:57:25] <bezaban> ;)
2000[12:57:28] <bezaban> mt.
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2007[13:00:23] <halt> jelly: in general I agree with the principal, but that's not an option now
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2009[13:02:51] <themill> halt: is for a package you want to uploaded to Debian?
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2011[13:03:41] <halt> themill: no no not at all, it's an internal repo
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2016[13:04:13] <ghostinzshell> Been trying out Borg and Attic backup in Debian Sid, both have problems extracting backups.
2017[13:04:14] <themill> ok, that sort of thing is entirely unacceptable in a debian package for very good reason.
2018[13:04:24] <ghostinzshell> Anybody experiencing similar issues?
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2045[13:15:06] <jelly> halt: one approach packages in debian take is: splitting immutable parts to eg. /usr/share/package and then construct a whole tree in eg. /var/lib/package putting changeable files in place, and symlinking the fixed ones. There are others.
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2049[13:15:46] <jelly> halt: if you have to hack something up rather than do it The Debian Way, you might as well chown and be done with it
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2079[13:26:00] <halt> thanks I think I use the hack around for now, it's only an issue if the debug mode is on so I can live with it, but I will keep in mind that I should not it..
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2087[13:31:40] <snt> Now, wneh Google stopped to release 32-bit Chrome for Linux, what to use instead on 32-bit system?
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2092[13:33:49] <towo`> snt, chromium? firefox? midori? whatever is in debian?
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2101[13:37:37] <snt> i like how Flash was integrated in Chrome - there were no problems. are there any other bowsers with such level on integration?
2102[13:37:49] <snt> *of integratoin
2103[13:38:49] <themill> flash wasn't integrated with chrome at all
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2130[13:52:46] <cavr> hi, some help needed in installation of Jessie through USB (live version). when doing the base system installation (after partitioning) an error appears: "debootstrap error, failed to determine the codename for the release"
2131[13:52:59] <cavr> any idea on what may be causing this
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2144[13:59:39] <slax0r> cavr: copy paste that message to google, first link: replaced-url
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2151[14:02:02] <cavr> slax0r: I've already saw and done what is said in the debian forum
2152[14:02:08] <cavr> it's somehting else
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2156[14:02:54] <slax0r> then you might also want to state what you've already tried ;)
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2159[14:04:05] <themill> cavr: so how are you copying the image to the usb stick and precisely which image are you using?
2160[14:04:16] <cavr> ok, 1st: I created the USB partition, mounted the debian live iso as loop and copied the stuff over to the USB
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2162[14:04:42] <themill> ugh
2163[14:04:43] <cavr> as the USB is fat32, I then have to recopy some of the soft links
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2166[14:04:48] <cavr> with their targets
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2169[14:05:17] <cavr> with that I can boot the live cd (debian-live-8.3.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso) but
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2171[14:05:30] <cavr> that error appears (debootstrap error)
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2176[14:06:54] <cavr> If I dd the iso to the usb, I have problems because: i) as I have a UEFI system, I cannot boot it, ii) I cannot copy stuff to the iso-written USB as it is read-only
2177[14:07:21] <jmcnaught> cavr: that's not the right way to do it. try using an installer image, the live images aren't the best for installation. please refer to the install manual for how to prepare the USB stick (hint, you copy the entire image): replaced-url
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2180[14:07:40] <cavr> by the way, to have the debian-live boot with UEFI, I have used instructions at replaced-url
2181[14:07:43] <cavr> ok
2182[14:07:45] <cavr> I'll try
2183[14:07:46] <themill> cavr: if you're wanting to install debian, please use the installer which supports uefi
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2186[14:08:12] <cavr> jmcnaught & thmill: fine, I'll do that
2187[14:08:34] <tipo> if i update iceweasel while iceweasel is open, what happens? does it update alright and then just implement the updated binary on the next restart?
2188[14:09:02] <tipo> or do worlds collide?
2189[14:09:09] <cavr> however, I was tempted to do a "manual" install
2190[14:09:33] <cavr> instead of using an installer, to reproduce the steps in command line
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2192[14:09:37] <themill> tipo: the update will install fine on disk but running sessions won't update.
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2195[14:09:51] <tipo> themill, perfect.
2196[14:09:55] <cavr> (like when installing gentoo)
2197[14:10:19] <cavr> is there any instructions or some way to "reverse enginner" the debian installer?
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2200[14:10:34] <themill> tipo: my experience has been that such updates are likely to cause a running iceweasel to crash some time afterwards
2201[14:10:53] <tipo> themill, thanks for that info, too
2202[14:11:05] <Iridos> really? I never noticed that
2203[14:11:10] <themill> not that iceweasel isn't capable of doing that on its own
2204[14:11:23] <Iridos> more than usual, that is :P
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2211[14:15:40] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
2212[14:15:54] <ychaouche> if I add a user with useradd then I can't set nor change its password, right ?
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2214[14:17:08] <ychaouche> here's what I tried : #useradd username; #su username; #passwd. passwd asks for current password, if I just hit enter (blank) then it says passwd: Authentication token manipulation error
2215[14:17:25] <jmcnaught> ychaouche: "passwd <username>" as root. also i find adduser easier than useradd.
2216[14:18:10] <ychaouche> jmcnaught: thanks
2217[14:18:19] <ychaouche> jmcnaught: IIRC adduser is interactive ?
2218[14:18:45] <themill> it doesn't have to be
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2221[14:19:35] <ychaouche> ok
2222[14:19:35] <ravenx> i'm on stretch right now, would anything break if i tracked testing instead?
2223[14:19:39] <ravenx> or are they the same atm?
2224[14:19:44] <ravenx> until stretch turns into stable?
2225[14:20:30] <themill> you probably don't want to be running "testing" immediately following the release.
2226[14:20:41] <ravenx> correct
2227[14:20:46] <ravenx> but right now, if i went from stretch -> testing
2228[14:20:49] <ravenx> it's essentially the same right?
2229[14:20:57] <jelly> so it seems saner to keep doing the stretch
2230[14:21:04] <ravenx> ah, but i'm not aiming for stable
2231[14:21:23] <jelly> ravenx: switch to stretch+1 codename some time after the release
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2234[14:21:41] <ravenx> so after teh release keep it as stretch+1
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2236[14:21:43] <Ecco> Hey!
2237[14:21:44] <ravenx> what about now though?
2238[14:21:46] <themill> ravenx: Well if you don't want to be running testing immediately following the release, you don't want "testing" in your sources.list, you want stretch.
2239[14:21:55] <Ecco> I just got a VPS with a stock Debian install
2240[14:21:58] <ravenx> i see..
2241[14:22:00] <Ecco> it's missing the "standard" tasksel
2242[14:22:11] <Ecco> How can I install it? Running "tasksel" doesn't show the "standard" task
2243[14:22:22] <ravenx> themill: but in general, like right now, before the release....changeing from stretch to testing is the same?
2244[14:22:32] <jelly> ravenx: right now it doesn't matter, avoiding a nasty surprise at some point in the future is probably a good idea tho
2245[14:22:41] <themill> ravenx: yes, but you've just established that you don't want to do that.
2246[14:22:58] <ravenx> jelly: gotcha.
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2248[14:23:04] <ravenx> this is mainly for a personal laptop that i screw around with
2249[14:23:08] <ravenx> so nothing production/critical.
2250[14:23:10] <themill> Ecco: aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant
2251[14:23:15] <Ecco> thanks themill
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2287[14:42:17] <wewlad> hello debs, have any of you tried Debian GNU/kFreeBSD?
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2303[14:48:14] <fred1807> what is the lightest for old computers? lxde?
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2315[14:53:31] <xinkill> @fred1807: you can also try xfce
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2318[14:54:06] <fred1807> xinkill: who wins the seed/memory test?
2319[14:54:27] <thebwt> Does debian packaging have macros similar to RPM? I am making a .install file to manifest files to be installed from the build root, but this particular program uses a version number in it's folder structure. is there an equivilent to {%version} or do I need to update the install file every time?
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2321[14:55:22] <xinkill> fred1807. xfce
2322[14:55:31] <g00se> \quit
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2324[14:55:37] <fred1807> thx
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2422[15:37:04] <Delf> Should I not install nvidia drivers from their site? The one in backports is too old to support vulkan.
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2426[15:39:31] <wewlad> hello debs, have any of you tried Debian GNU/kFreeBSD?
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2429[15:41:19] <Brigo> Delf, you can try nvidia drivers from their site, but we do not support it here.
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2431[15:41:42] <jmcnaught> Delf: if you use the nvidia drivers from their site, be prepared for it to break every time there's a kernel update
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2434[15:42:09] <Delf> Holy hell…
2435[15:42:32] <Delf> I'd have to hold the kernel, assuming this kernel even works with their drivers
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2438[15:43:21] <jmcnaught> if you're patient the newer drivers will probably eventually be packaged
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2457[15:48:45] <jelly> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
2458[15:48:46] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.125-1; wheezy-proposed-updates/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 352.79-5; sid/non-free: 352.79-5; experimental/non-
2459[15:48:47] <judd> free: 355.11-2
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2465[15:50:36] <Atomic_0RgB6> join
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2474[15:54:53] <meta-x> Can someone please quick-check lines 2138-2144 on replaced-url
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2478[15:55:26] <meta-x> I'm trying to compile and build a .deb package of an old version of Python (2.6.9)
2479[15:55:33] <joy4u> why my #debian-replaced-url
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2483[15:55:55] <meta-x> But the build fails.
2484[15:56:14] <mtn> joy4u: are you on the correct server?
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2489[15:56:36] <joy4u> yeah
2490[15:56:49] <mtn> joy4u: so you are looking on oftc.net or where?
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2493[15:57:43] <mtn> joy4u: I see 56 people logged in
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2499[15:59:42] <jelly> joy4u: you seem to be logged in to OFTC, but you're not present in #debian-replaced-url
2500[15:59:44] <joy4u> mtn: sorry my mistake
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2502[16:00:07] <joy4u> i am in irc.freenode.net
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2512[16:04:01] <Chris___> Hi
2513[16:04:41] <jim> hi
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2549[16:17:25] <Yuken> So, I'd like to grab the oldest possible Debian version that will run Java 1.6. Any ideas where I would go to and find that?
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2566[16:22:35] <DammitJim> so, my hard disk is full, but I can't tell what is filling it up
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2569[16:22:54] <DammitJim> using du -sh * | sort -h tells me some information but it only adds up to half of the size of my drive!
2570[16:23:01] <DammitJim> how else can I figure out what is going on?
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2572[16:24:02] <babilen> DammitJim: How do you know that it is full?
2573[16:24:23] <DammitJim> mutt was telling me there was no space when trying to delete an email
2574[16:24:30] <DammitJim> but also, df -h was saying 100%
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2580[16:28:30] <babilen> You might want to use an application such as baobab or ncdu to find where your space is being consumed
2581[16:28:36] <babilen> DammitJim: ^
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2587[16:31:05] <transhuman> hi, I am trying to use the debian 5 cd to extract a squashfs so that I can upgrade it and take it into the 21st century. Small problem (I have had to install debian 5 because later versions wont support the same squashfs format for the extraction (problem is all that remains is the debian-5010-amd64-DVD-1.iso and debian-update-5.0.10-amd64-DVD-1.iso files (however it appears to be looking for a differently named disk ...H
2588[16:31:05] <transhuman> ow do I tell it the name of the most current install ISO rather than the "Official amd64 DVD Binary? Where do I get this "CD Name" from?
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2593[16:33:08] <DammitJim> thanks babilen
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2613[16:42:50] <transhuman> never mind figured it out sudo apt-cdrom --no-act add
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2667[17:05:49] <edakiri> What was the major commercial graphical word processing application for unixes before StarOffice ?
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2676[17:08:30] <babilen> edakiri: emacs
2677[17:08:59] <edakiri> I'm thinking of one which was not only a text editor. It was expensive.
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2679[17:09:08] <edakiri> I saw it on Solaris.
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2684[17:10:13] <babilen> replaced-url
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2717[17:22:19] <Rico> hi
2718[17:22:35] <Rico> what's the equivalent of "systemctl edit <service>" on debian jessie ?
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2720[17:22:41] <Harm133> Hey guys, I have an disk, pulled from a windows 7 machine. It is a NTFS filesystem. When I try to mount it it gives the error : Recursive partition. I've used testdisk to rewrite the partition table and then I can mount it perfectly fine, however, when I reboot, I can't mount the disk again. Getting the same error. Any ideas ?
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2738[17:27:30] <Strogg> 'lo 'lo
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2747[17:29:06] <Harm133> Hey guys, I have an disk, pulled from a windows 7 machine. It is a NTFS filesystem. When I try to mount it it gives the error : Recursive partition. I've used testdisk to rewrite the partition table and then I can mount it perfectly fine, however, when I reboot, I can't mount the disk again. Getting the same error. Any ideas ?
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2750[17:29:27] <Strogg> I've got a debian box that's generally being sluggish recently. bugzilla is slow, apt-get dist-upgrade is slow, logging in is slower than normal. tab completion is slow.. I've got lots of free memory, no load, no dns problems I can see. any ideas where I should be looking?
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2752[17:29:44] <Strogg> it's mostly a recent issue... wasn't like this before
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2754[17:30:14] <Strogg> nothing weird in ps axu output, nothing using up a lot of cpu time.. lots of free memory
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2758[17:30:39] <Harm133> what kind of box ? virtual ?
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2760[17:31:03] <Strogg> nah.. it's real hardware.. 8 cores, 8G memory... virtually no load
2761[17:31:34] <Strogg> Intel Xeon 2.8GHz
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2763[17:32:01] <Harm133> is it an important box ?
2764[17:32:10] <mtn> Strogg: what is the video driver?
2765[17:32:36] <Strogg> Harm133: important enough that I'm debugging why it's slow and not writing code.. hehe
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2767[17:32:58] <markybob> Strogg: first thing i'd do is back it up. degraded performance when nothing else is looking funky could mean the drive is going to see jesus
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2769[17:33:03] <Strogg> mtn: it's console only.. it's a headless server. X not installed
2770[17:33:09] <mtn> Strogg: ah, ok
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2773[17:33:17] <mtn> Strogg: what markybob said ;)
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2776[17:33:53] <Strogg> that's sort of what I was thinking.. so I started looking at the raid array.. mdadm doesn't report anything fishy.... trying hdparam now
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2778[17:34:21] <Strogg> mdadm --misc --detail /dev/md0 is what I want to be using, right?
2779[17:34:29] * Strogg isn't much of a raid expert
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2793[17:40:08] <Strogg> hrmmm smartctl -H also reports PASSED for both drives in the array
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2796[17:40:44] <markybob> smart is also pretty stupid. i've had a drive with smart alerts for 6 months and it's fine.
2797[17:41:47] <Harm133> alerts != error
2798[17:42:01] <jelly> dpkg, flw74 is <reply><markybob> smart is also pretty stupid. i've had a drive with smart alerts for 6 months and it's fine.
2799[17:42:02] <dpkg> jelly: okay
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2801[17:42:30] <jelly> thank you for contributing to the famous-last-words database, markybob
2802[17:42:38] <Harm133> :')
2803[17:42:48] <Strogg> hehe
2804[17:42:57] <jelly> !flw0
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2806[17:42:58] <markybob> jelly: hey i have backups :) it can die. i don't really care
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2810[17:44:18] <markybob> i've also has drives die with no smart warning at all. i just don't seen how useful it is in pratice
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2813[17:44:53] <jelly> it catches some issues, by no means all or even a majority
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2816[17:45:37] <jelly> tracking attributes over time probably more useful as indicator than waiting for a reported issue
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2837[17:50:42] <aZz7eCh> hi guys
2838[17:51:17] <wewlad> hello debs, have any of you tried Debian GNU/kFreeBSD?
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3052[19:12:07] <WooShell> quick Q.. does the amd64 netinst iso /only/ run on 64bit machines, or does it also include the older 32bit arch stuff?
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3060[19:13:35] <H4ndy> WooShell: afaik you need amd64 compatible architecture to run it
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3062[19:13:52] <H4ndy> WooShell: it will run 32bit software tho
3063[19:14:03] <markybob> WooShell: are you talking about multiarch? replaced-url
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3065[19:14:19] <jmcnaught> WooShell: there is a multi-arch installer that works for 32-bit and 64-bit, this the one linked to from replaced-url
3066[19:14:21] <WooShell> thx.. then i need to burn another disc.. got a 32bit-only machine here
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3068[19:14:38] <WooShell> oh.. thanks, even better
3069[19:14:56] <H4ndy> well on that hardware pure i386 is probably the better choice
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3087[19:19:06] <Strogg> arg. well.. my slow server has somehow fixed itself.
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3089[19:19:20] <Strogg> somehow, it seems going into my bios and looking around, somehow corrected the problem
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3093[19:20:44] <TomTomTosch> !next
3094[19:20:45] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
3095[19:21:10] <Strogg> hehe
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3138[19:38:16] <okee> How do you get the path to the drives if they are unmounted?
3139[19:38:31] <psf> lsblk I thing
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3141[19:38:45] <psf> *think
3142[19:39:09] <Ceser> Where i buy light-theme-gnome from fedora in debian
3143[19:39:52] <psf> of course, If I understood correctly what you've said.
3144[19:40:04] <Ceser> replaced-url
3145[19:40:09] <Ceser> This theme for gnome
3146[19:40:24] <Ceser> Where i can download this theme for debian?
3147[19:40:27] <okee> psf> How do I determine which drives in lsblk are affiliated with drive names that show up by default in the home directory?
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3156[19:44:02] <bertro> What are the services in jessie that could be safely stopped from rc? And how should that be done? (through update-rc.d?)
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3159[19:44:38] <psf> okee, "drive names that show up by default in the home directory?" I believe it's more about a DE then anything else. Sorry, can't help with that since I don't use a DE, just WM without any kind of automounting. Or maybe you could clarify it more, sending a pic or the output of lsblk ... :)
3160[19:44:57] <psf> Although some one here may has understood it more than me.. :D
3161[19:44:58] <TomTomTosch> okee, with df you can see what partition is mounted where
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3163[19:45:36] <TomTomTosch> no, i'm with psf as far as understanding that sentence goes ;D
3164[19:45:51] <psf> :D
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3179[19:51:24] <psf> I'm four years without using Debian :D I'm downloading the ISO right now... ArchLinux is kinda giving me some headaches
3180[19:51:56] <bertro> psf: what kind of headaches? what for?
3181[19:52:04] <psf> systemd
3182[19:52:34] <greycat> Current Debian also uses systemd by default.
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3184[19:52:51] <psf> hmm
3185[19:52:51] <psf> :S
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3192[19:54:02] <psf> especially this bug: replaced-url
3193[19:54:26] <psf> complement the link above: replaced-url
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3200[19:57:04] <frikinz> I have this annoying 90s timeout for smb shares when shutting down
3201[19:57:26] <psf> it's freaking horrible
3202[19:57:45] <psf> I edited the "/etc/systemd.conf" and set the Default Timout to 30 seconds
3203[19:57:56] <psf> of course, on Arch.
3204[19:57:56] <frikinz> After reading your link, I've put 10s :)
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3207[19:58:12] <psf> haha
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3212[19:59:27] <frikinz> On my side, it could be a typical network gets shutdown before unmount of smb share. I'm not that good yet with systemd to see this in logs though
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3219[20:00:09] <psf> I believe that link provide a systemd's command to show what is "hanging"
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3222[20:00:49] <frikinz> psf yes, I see it. let me see
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3239[20:06:51] <Azazael> I'm not getting sound when using banshee and rhytmbox.. when using firefox I do, anyone know what could be wrong?
3240[20:06:55] <Azazael> I have kde
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3249[20:09:37] <teraflops> Both banshee and rythmbox use gstreamer?
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3253[20:09:54] <Azazael> I think so
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3257[20:10:47] <Azazael> but gstreamer ... mp3 and what not are all installed
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3260[20:11:05] <teraflops> Do you have all the gstreamer packages they require installed?
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3262[20:11:10] <okee> okee
3263[20:11:28] <Azazael> I will double check
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3266[20:12:17] <teraflops> Azazael: perhaps some optional deps?
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3286[20:18:06] <Azazael> hmm maybe my problem is with gstreamer
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3297[20:20:59] <jmcnaught> Azazael: my guess would be that most things are talking to pulseaudio, but one thing is not (perhaps flash in firefox)
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3299[20:21:18] <disc0very> hi all
3300[20:21:31] <disc0very> i would like to upgrade my debian squeeze to latest release, Jessie
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3302[20:21:57] <greycat> Have to do it in steps: squeeze -> wheezy, then wheezy -> jessie
3303[20:21:59] <TomTomTosch> disc0very, that's a good idea. you would have to upgrade to wheezy first though.
3304[20:22:15] <disc0very> so, i just need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
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3306[20:22:29] <nkuttler> disc0very: check the release notes for each wheezy and jessie before doing the upgrades
3307[20:22:30] <greycat> disc0very: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy
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3311[20:22:45] <disc0very> edit the repository records, where i have "squeeze" i edit with "wheezy"
3312[20:22:53] <disc0very> then i do apt-get update and dist-upgrade
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3314[20:23:09] <TomTomTosch> disc0very, do you have important services running?
3315[20:23:13] <Azazael> teraflops: well doing sudo "apt-get install gstreamer1.0-plugins-*" fixed it, thanks for making me double check
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3317[20:23:14] <disc0very> not many
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3319[20:23:28] <disc0very> apache, webmin, proftpd
3320[20:23:35] <disc0very> fail2ban
3321[20:23:35] <teraflops> Azazael: np
3322[20:23:39] <disc0very> and mysql
3323[20:23:43] <disc0very> very small server this is
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3325[20:24:05] <TomTomTosch> disc0very, read the release notes. apache might be a problem with wheezy->jessie
3326[20:24:12] <disc0very> oh, why
3327[20:24:17] <disc0very> i will have a look
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3330[20:24:54] <disc0very> /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy, this is what i was thinking to do, ok
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3334[20:26:29] <RobinC> The apache thing in a lot of cases is just ensuring all config files in /etc/apache/sites-enabled etc end in .conf and ensuring the Options have + or - on them not blank, and may be a access rule tweak. Thats all i've needed to change anyway
3335[20:26:54] <disc0very> i've backuped up the /etc/ directory
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3342[20:28:52] <disc0very> so it is best to do squeeze -> wheezy -> jessie right ?
3343[20:29:06] <greycat> It is required.
3344[20:29:22] <disc0very> ok
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3347[20:29:32] <disc0very> what about this
3348[20:29:33] <disc0very> OpenSSH server defaults to "PermitRootLogin without-password"
3349[20:29:42] <disc0very> when upgrading to jessie
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3351[20:30:09] <greycat> only affects you if you were in the habit of doing a direct password-auth root ssh login previously
3352[20:30:14] <disc0very> the update will allow root access without password ?
3353[20:30:19] <RobinC> with a ssh key
3354[20:30:25] <greycat> "without password" means "with a key"
3355[20:30:30] <disc0very> oh ok
3356[20:30:41] <RobinC> idealy you will only log in to a non-root account via a key then su/sudo to root
3357[20:30:46] <disc0very> no, i always run sshd requiring a password
3358[20:30:56] <disc0very> and i login as root
3359[20:31:02] <greycat> Then it will affect you.
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3362[20:32:11] <disc0very> is it safe or is better to debconf-set-selections this to false ?
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3367[20:33:04] <disc0very> will i be able to login with ssh after the upgrade ?
3368[20:33:17] <greycat> As a non-root user, sure.
3369[20:33:35] <greycat> Or if you change the sshd_config back to what you had before, and restart ssh, then you can continue logging in as root via password.
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3373[20:34:04] <disc0very> i prefer to do it prior to the upgrade with debconf-set-selections
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3376[20:34:47] <sbeex> hello guy. I freshly installed debian on my server and it seems port 25 is in use. Could someone tell me what process is using it ? I would like to disable it because I need it on a docker container
3377[20:34:59] <sbeex> thank you in advance
3378[20:34:59] <greycat> lsof -i :25
3379[20:35:04] <disc0very> sbeex, netstat -anop or lsof -i :25
3380[20:35:17] <sbeex> Debian-exim4
3381[20:35:38] <sbeex> ok :D thank you very much guys haha you are really fast
3382[20:35:44] <greycat> That's the username, but yeah, sounds like you did the command correctly.
3383[20:36:05] <sbeex> is it a usefull service ? or I can remove it ?
3384[20:36:17] <greycat> It's the default Debian MTA (mail server).
3385[20:36:22] <sbeex> (I want to install a mail server for my domain)
3386[20:36:28] <sbeex> oh ok
3387[20:36:38] <sbeex> so you answered ;) thank you
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3389[20:36:47] <greycat> Which mail server are you trying to install? As a debian package, or from source?
3390[20:37:04] <disc0very> sbeex, if you are new to MTA and mail systems, you may want to check "iRedMail"
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3396[20:38:56] <sbeex> disc0very I will use poste.io (a docker tool to manage almost all for my mails it seems but will note that in case of ;) )
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3398[20:39:26] <okee> I have attempted to mount some drives in Debian Jessie, but continue to get errors replaced-url
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3400[20:39:33] <exedore6> How would one go about tracking down ‘why’ a particular package is default in debian? i’m sure there’s a reason - IO’m curious the process
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3402[20:39:39] <disc0very> sbeex, poste.io is free solution ?
3403[20:39:40] <greycat> Sounds like it's not a package, then. If you want to install an MTA that isn't packaged, you need to install a placeholder .deb file to tell Debian that you have a non-packaged MTA, and to leave you alone.
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3405[20:39:51] <greycat> You can build such a placeholder .deb file using equivs.
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3415[20:42:43] <sbeex> disc0very yes there is a free offer
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3417[20:43:47] <cheapie> Is there a way to tell what's automounting every single drive I connect, or at least a general way to make it stop?
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3427[20:44:53] <exedore6> poste.io is a bundle of qmail, dovecot, roundcube, spamassassin, and clamav
3428[20:45:20] <exedore6> Free for personal u se only.
3429[20:45:20] <greycat> Well, you'll definitely want the mta-local stub from equivs there.
3430[20:45:35] <greycat> And good luck.
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3463[20:53:09] <cheapie> Never mind, looks like udisks2 was what was getting in the way. Getting rid of that made it stop doing that.
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3467[20:53:40] <incal> anyonoe knows where to find data for GMT (Generic Mapping Tools) maps?
3468[20:54:09] <okee> Would anyone know why I am getting an fd0 error when no floppy exist on my computer? I used to have a floppy, but removed it, after I started getting ERDY Errors in the syslog. replaced-url
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3471[20:55:06] <okee> The floppy cable is still connected. Would that cause the error? i am still having trouble reading foreign drives and OS, and not sure how to correctly mount them. I lost access to all of them when upgrading from Wheezy to jessie. However, everything works when viewing it through Centos 6.7
3472[20:55:25] <cheapie> okee: Is it disabled in your BIOS/firmware setup?
3473[20:55:48] <okee> cheapie> I don't know. Didn't know I needed to disable it in the bios.
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3476[20:55:59] <markybob> okee: you told you to yesterday
3477[20:56:05] <markybob> we*
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3481[20:56:51] <okee> markybob> I was busy yesterday, and got called away. I will go into the bios and deactivate the floppy.
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3488[20:59:18] <cheapie> Huh, seems that disabling the udisksd broke gnome-disks, but I think I can live with that....
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3491[20:59:36] <cheapie> gnome-disks is not exactly a high-quality piele of software anyway.
3492[20:59:39] <cheapie> piece*
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3494[20:59:59] <greycat> piece-pile
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3502[21:02:07] <randomdoude> Trying to run a 32bit binary on Debian 8.2 x86_64 so "cannot execute binary file: Exec format error". Do I need to install something to "enable" multi arch?
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3504[21:02:34] <markybob> randomdoude: yes. replaced-url
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3506[21:03:14] <randomdoude> Ive done that. dpkg --add-architecture i386 and installed deps. Same issue.
3507[21:03:18] <irc-ape> burn all jews in oven
3508[21:03:23] <irc-ape> death to infidels
3509[21:03:26] <irc-ape> allahu akhbar
3510[21:03:33] <irc-ape> burn all jews in gas oven
3511[21:03:36] <markybob> randomdoude: you didn't read the bottom
3512[21:03:42] <irc-ape> sieg heil
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3518[21:04:11] <randomdoude> markybob, bottom?
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3521[21:04:31] <markybob> randomdoude: you should have at least apt-get install libstdc++6:i386 libgcc1:i386 zlib1g:i386 libncurses5:i386
3522[21:04:43] <randomdoude> And I do.
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3530[21:06:44] <randomdoude> This is on a VPS btw. Do you think it could be some restriction the SP has on the Debian image they install?
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3536[21:09:15] <greycat> randomdoude: ldd it
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3541[21:09:31] <randomdoude> not a dynamic executable
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3544[21:10:01] <greycat> are you sure it's even for a compatible architecture at all? what does file say it is?
3545[21:10:45] <randomdoude> should be. uname returns x86_64 GNU/Linux and the file is just SteamCMD
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3547[21:11:03] <greycat> Run the file command on it and be sure.
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3550[21:11:33] <randomdoude> ELF 32-bit LSB executable
3551[21:11:49] <markybob> greycat: you followed replaced-url
3552[21:11:56] <markybob> oops
3553[21:11:58] <markybob> randomdoude:
3554[21:12:00] <greycat> Nope. I know nothing about steam.
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3557[21:12:38] <markybob> me either
3558[21:12:45] <greycat> randomdoude: does it go on to say "Intel 80386"? And not something like ARM....
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3560[21:12:48] <randomdoude> markybob, its the SteamCMD not the "regular" Steam
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3563[21:13:08] <randomdoude> Intel 80386 yes. No ARM.
3564[21:13:44] <greycat> well, if you have the i386 arch added (to an amd64 installation), and the *basic* libc6:i386 installed at minimum, then a statically linked i386 program should work
3565[21:13:54] <greycat> I think.
3566[21:14:20] <randomdoude> Guess Ill open a ticket.
3567[21:14:40] <markybob> against what?
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3572[21:15:32] <randomdoude> Just asking what the issue could be.
3573[21:16:08] <TomTomTosch> did you install lib32gcc1 ?
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3575[21:16:22] <randomdoude> yes
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3578[21:17:19] <rattking> have you tried running ldd on the bin to see if any libs are missing?
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3581[21:18:00] <greycat> I asked him that, and he wrote 16:09 randomdoude> not a dynamic executable
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3584[21:18:30] <rattking> awesome.. I should read better :)
3585[21:18:32] <salviaD> I am about to install debian on an old macbook. I already have installed rEFInder, now my macbook boots to this GUI where I can select what do I want to boot. I am lost on what should I download and record to the pen drive... Debian live cd?
3586[21:19:06] <Delta706> greycat: what do you think of the site replaced-url
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3588[21:19:27] <markybob> salviaD: your mac uses uefi? then no. live doesn't support it.
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3591[21:20:33] <disc0very> after upgrade to wheezy my apache2 + php is working bad
3592[21:20:45] <markybob> salviaD: it's an intel 64bit, right? not ppc?
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3598[21:20:48] <disc0very> actually the main virtualhost on the server doesnt load up php pages
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3600[21:21:06] <salviaD_> markybob: replaced-url
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3603[21:21:33] <markybob> salviaD: replaced-url
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3605[21:22:05] <Delta706> disc0very: have you considered #apache
3606[21:22:17] <markybob> it's #httpd
3607[21:22:35] <salviaD_> markybob: and how to I record this to the pen drive, from osx command line? dd .iso /disk ??
3608[21:22:54] <greycat> salviaD_: cp filename.iso /dev/sdX
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3614[21:23:09] <greycat> or... whatever the OS X equivalent of /dev/sdX is
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3617[21:23:32] <salviaD> greycat: cp? no.. Will my boot manager read a .iso file?
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3619[21:24:05] <markybob> salviaD: in linux cp with hybrid images does the same as dd. dd will work if that's not how it works on macs. i've never had a mac
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3624[21:24:37] <greycat> either way you're just opening a device file and writing bytes to it
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3626[21:24:44] <salviaD> markybob: this macbook is intel core duo, should I go on with the amd64 ?
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3630[21:24:50] <markybob> salviaD: yes
3631[21:25:11] <salviaD> markybob: it is 32 bit only...
3632[21:25:26] <salviaD> no 64 bit support on 2006 macbook
3633[21:25:31] <markybob> core duo is 32 bit? seriously? huh
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3636[21:26:03] <markybob> salviaD: this then replaced-url
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3638[21:26:19] <markybob> i seriously don't think that's 32-bit
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3640[21:26:48] <greycat> replaced-url
3641[21:26:49] <markybob> greycat: am i being retarded?
3642[21:27:11] <greycat> No, I was surprised as well.
3643[21:27:14] <TomTomTosch> intel core 2 is the 64 bit successor of intel core x)
3644[21:27:17] <markybob> okay then
3645[21:27:37] <jhutchins> core duo != core 2 duo
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3659[21:33:05] <transhuman> hi is there a quick way to search to see if a mirror is available somewhere still for debian 5 ?
3660[21:33:07] <salviaD> ok houston, we are online. My goal is a very light debian (lxfce) shuold I choose Graphical install ?
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3663[21:33:25] <salviaD> Graphical Expert Install?
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3665[21:33:47] <greycat> transhuman: /msg dpkg archive
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3669[21:34:27] <kyaw> Hello
3670[21:34:31] <goonieb> Hello, I want to report a bug regarding gnome system-admin, which package should I select
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3672[21:34:37] <dontknow> salviaD, doesn't matter. i always choose text install
3673[21:34:38] <goonieb> please
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3677[21:35:08] <kyaw> I want to report systemd problem
3678[21:35:13] <markybob> goonieb: system-gnome-tools
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3680[21:35:17] <dontknow> salviaD, what matters is what you installed on system
3681[21:35:25] <goonieb> thank you markybob
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3683[21:35:39] <salviaD> dontknow: So I will be able to choose the GUI interface in the future?
3684[21:36:46] <dontknow> you can choose desktop manager when installing
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3687[21:37:04] <greycat> you can also install desktop stuff later; it doesn't *have* to be done during the initial setup
3688[21:37:15] <dontknow> but you want light install. so you should install from command line
3689[21:37:49] <salviaD> great!
3690[21:38:21] <salviaD> my days attached to outdated OS apple forces my machine are gone
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3692[21:38:52] <transhuman> ok thanks for that, maybe a better approach is to explain the problem I am having, it finds the cd image for debian 5 to install from without a hitch and installs (however using it as an apt source isn't possible because it incorrectly identifies the cdrom and using apt-cdrom add to add the cdrom finds it but still cant use it as a source
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3694[21:39:41] <transhuman> it initially identifys it but what I think is happening it is miss identifying the label found or the path it adds to it
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3696[21:39:58] <TomTomTosch> salviaD, the installer will give you LXDE and Xfce to choose.
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3701[21:41:35] <transhuman> what brought me to this point in the first place is I am trying to extract a squashfs built with v5 and newer debians cant seem to extract it (wanted to upgrade the squashfs on a live cd)
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3718[21:49:38] <thenewone> Hi guys what is the default firewall debian use ?
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3720[21:50:24] <SerajewelKS> thenewone: debian does not configure a firewall by default
3721[21:50:59] <thenewone> ok
3722[21:51:01] <thenewone> thanks
3723[21:51:10] <thenewone> SerajewelKS: do you recommand any of them ?
3724[21:51:56] <SerajewelKS> i hand-build iptables configurations. so from your perspective, i guess that means "no."
3725[21:52:07] <somiaj> thenewone: you shouldn't need one as debian won't be installing services listening on outside interfaces unless you install one. and in that case you most likely want the port open.
3726[21:52:31] <thenewone> i get it :)
3727[21:52:34] <SerajewelKS> somiaj: my experience is that the default package set includes services
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3729[21:52:46] <nullbyte> firewalls are useful to redirect packets if you don't want to use iptables
3730[21:52:58] <somiaj> thenewone: but in the case you have services running that you only want certain networks/etc to be able to connect to iptables gives you a fully customize a file wall
3731[21:53:12] <thenewone> that's what i need
3732[21:53:21] <somiaj> SerajewelKS: are you calling gnome the default package set and what services are listeining on public ports (not just localhost or a unix socket)
3733[21:53:27] <thenewone> runing docker and i need redirections ......and stuff
3734[21:53:39] <SerajewelKS> thenewone: note that most "linux firewalls" are actually just a layer on top of iptables; an attempt to make iptables more user-friendly.
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3736[21:53:49] <somiaj> thenewone: there are a few front ends to iptables, but it is probabaly worth just learning to configure iptables directly.
3737[21:53:54] <thenewone> SerajewelKS: yep
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3739[21:54:03] <thenewone> thanks guys :)
3740[21:54:06] <thenewone> somiaj: thanks
3741[21:54:19] <SerajewelKS> somiaj: gnome is not one of the core packages, no
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3743[21:54:35] <dontknow> i use ufw and block all incoming
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3745[21:54:41] <somiaj> SerajewelKS: I'm just courious what services you have found listening on an open port you consider 'default'
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3750[21:56:23] <SerajewelKS> somiaj: give me a few moments and i'll let you know
3751[21:56:55] <somiaj> SerajewelKS: no problem, just courious. On my systems only ssh is listening on a public port as a basic install, but I select ssh server as an additional thing to install.
3752[21:57:13] <qman__> Right, there are none by default
3753[21:57:13] <somiaj> though I usually start with minimial installs then install other services afterwards
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3756[21:57:33] <qman__> And many even default to local only when you install them, too
3757[21:57:40] <thenewone> i think i have problem here with iptables
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3759[21:57:52] <SerajewelKS> that's not been my experience. maybe that changed in the last few releases.
3760[21:57:57] <somiaj> thenewone: care to give some more details?
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3762[21:58:03] <thenewone> i will one s
3763[21:58:09] <qman__> That's been the case for as long as I can remembr
3764[21:58:30] <somiaj> SerajewelKS: well 'default' can be vague, that is why I asked if you were consider it as part of a full desktop or some other tasksel package base that is pulling in services.
3765[21:58:31] <thenewone> when i did this systemctl enable iptables.service it give this error,Failed to execute operation: No such file or directory
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3767[21:58:51] <SerajewelKS> thenewone: iptables is not a service, it is part of the kernel
3768[21:58:54] <somiaj> thenewone: iptables isn't a service, it is a command line program that can configure the firewall.
3769[21:59:00] <thenewone> lol
3770[21:59:06] <SerajewelKS> it's always running
3771[21:59:09] <fx9> hi, how would I go about installing flash now that adobe has killed off linux support?
3772[21:59:15] <thenewone> ok let me test it :)
3773[21:59:20] <somiaj> thenewone: it also includes some iptables-save and iptables-restore that can be used to bring up/down paticular configurations, but you'll have to set this up yoruself to happen at boot.
3774[21:59:39] <somiaj> fx9: what webbrowswer?
3775[21:59:41] <dontknow> fx9, it gets security support
3776[21:59:48] <fx9> somiaj, iceweasel
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3778[22:00:01] <somiaj> and really adobe has stoped linux support years ago, though I'm unsure how long security support will last
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3780[22:00:39] <somiaj> fx9: afiak adobe is still fixing security holes found in the linux flash version just not producing new versions. If you want a newer version of flash, there is a pepperflash wrapper plugin for firefox (napi) in the contrib repo
3781[22:01:00] <somiaj> fx9: browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash this package will give access to the flash plugin produced by google.
3782[22:01:06] <fx9> somiaj, is there a howto on installing the pepperflash?
3783[22:01:19] <fx9> ah
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3787[22:01:54] <awal1> its in backports
3788[22:01:55] <dontknow> fx9, you need flash so desperately?
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3790[22:02:11] <fx9> dontknow, there are some sites that use it
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3792[22:02:24] <awal1> the wrapper one I meant
3793[22:02:31] <fx9> i'm not a fan since html5 is now the norm but they don't all follow convention
3794[22:02:51] <somiaj> the wrapper should install the actuall plugin I would imangine
3795[22:03:08] <fx9> somiaj, apt-get install browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
3796[22:03:10] <fx9> correct?
3797[22:03:12] <dontknow> fx9, you know there are html5 supporting pr0n sites. just saying
3798[22:03:28] <qman__> It would be kind of pointless if it didn't
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3800[22:03:52] <qman__> But I've seen stranger
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3802[22:04:16] <awal1> fx9, all what you need is explained here replaced-url
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3805[22:05:01] <somiaj> fx9: as per awal1 suggestion seems you have to get it in jessie-backports
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3808[22:05:28] <fx9> somiaj, no wonder, ok time to enable backports
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3810[22:06:35] <awal1> ,v browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
3811[22:06:36] <judd> Package: browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.3.4-1~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.3.4-3; stretch/contrib: 0.3.4-3
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3818[22:08:18] <bin_bash> hi im trying to view the wiki and i'm getting 403:Forbidden
3819[22:08:24] <bin_bash> replaced-url
3820[22:08:45] <greycat> works for me
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3824[22:09:46] <awal1> replaced-url
3825[22:09:47] <bin_bash> replaced-url
3826[22:09:47] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3827[22:09:51] <bin_bash> greycat: replaced-url
3828[22:09:55] <fx9> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "pepperflashplugin-nonfree"
3829[22:10:05] <fx9> hmm, strange backports enabledd
3830[22:10:08] <awal1> replaced-url
3831[22:10:09] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3832[22:10:16] <greycat> bin_bash: looks like something on your side.
3833[22:10:28] <greycat> The visible <p> is especially amusing.
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3836[22:10:42] <bin_bash> well it's coming from the server....
3837[22:10:45] <fx9> wow flash is completely broken
3838[22:11:05] <greycat> bin_bash: how do you know that?
3839[22:11:29] <bin_bash> because 403:forbidden is a server-side message
3840[22:11:30] <greycat> Looks more like a local "transparent" proxy to me.
3841[22:11:36] <bin_bash> and when I curl the site it's forbidden as well
3842[22:11:41] <bin_bash> HTTP/1.1 403 FORBIDDEN
3843[22:12:12] <greycat> Well, either you're specifically blocked by that wiki when nobody else is, or you have some sort of proxy on your network that's interfering.
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3845[22:12:37] <bin_bash> i'm not using any open proxy
3846[22:12:39] <greycat> And you can't just conclude "it came from wiki.debian.org" by the number.
3847[22:12:55] <dontknow> bin_bash, your theme hurts eyes
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3849[22:13:11] <bin_bash> replaced-url
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3854[22:13:50] <RobinC> bin_bash, are you connecting by http or https as that wiki supports https and that should be slightly more difficuly for a transparent proxy to mess with, or is that the problem? https is blocked?
3855[22:14:11] <bin_bash> neither http nor https work
3856[22:14:17] <bin_bash> both return 403:forbidden
3857[22:14:18] <greycat> 17:08 bin_bash> replaced-url
3858[22:14:45] <awal1> fx9, you can ue flashplugin-nonfree while pepper bug is being solved, or look to another free alternative (gnash, lightspark...) if you really need flash
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3861[22:14:59] <awal1> for iceweasel, I mean
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3865[22:17:20] <awal1> man update-flashplugin-nonfree for more info
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3872[22:18:29] <bin_bash> well since i cant view that, i have a brand new dedi with debian 7.9 installed and i have no /etc/network/interfaces file
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3874[22:18:36] <bin_bash> is there anothe rlocation?
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3877[22:20:04] <MyWay> hi, why even if I set my gateway, I get 0.0.0.0 (route -n output)? 192.168.51.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 br3
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3879[22:20:50] <dontknow> what a pro question. i don't know
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3881[22:20:57] <SerajewelKS> somiaj, qman__: after a fresh install, the following ports are bound listening to the wildcard address: tcp4:58590,111 tcp6:111,44758 udp4:52692,68,38472,601,111 udp6:46456,601,30301,111
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3884[22:22:31] <dontknow> MyWay, does it mean it listens all ports?
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3887[22:23:13] <dontknow> maybe stupid question
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3917[22:37:57] <SalviaD> So I was inatalling debian via netinst and at the select and install software box I acidentally pressed enter, without choosing my GUI or anything else... It is installing the default stuff now. I wonder, what are the default stuff?
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3919[22:38:14] <markybob> SalviaD: gnome
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3921[22:38:34] <markybob> which i fucking hate but you might like
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3925[22:39:15] <SalviaD> It is clean to uinstall gnome and install other? Or better start the debian install from scratch?
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3927[22:39:37] <markybob> SalviaD: i'd probably just restart. removing gnome can be a bitch
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3932[22:40:23] <markybob> you can try (though it's not been updated for gnome3 so i don't know if it works)
3933[22:40:26] <markybob> !remove gnome
3934[22:40:26] <dpkg> To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
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3936[22:40:34] <SalviaD> I may be wrong but I guess there was no GUI selected, could this be the case?
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3939[22:40:56] <markybob> SalviaD: if you didn't have desktop checked, yes
3940[22:41:04] <markybob> SalviaD: gnome is just the default desktop
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3942[22:41:12] <jhutchins> SalviaD: No need to remove gnome. You can have all the DEs you want installed together.
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3946[22:41:34] <markybob> sure you can. not sure why you'd want to
3947[22:41:45] <SalviaD> Minimalist mind here
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3959[22:43:37] <jeddi> Point being you can have > 1. It's sometimes useful to have >1 if you want to experiment with other DE's, and/or want a fallback if your preferred fails to run properly after an upgrade. (for example)
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3961[22:43:57] <markybob> eh. that's what VM's are for
3962[22:44:20] <jeddi> you may also have a computer that is used by more than one person, and they have different preferences.
3963[22:44:28] <jeddi> VM's are useful for lots of things, to be sure.
3964[22:44:36] <markybob> that's a good point if that's the case
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3968[22:46:40] <fx9> awal1, thanks I've gotten the backports pepperflash to work
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3971[22:47:27] <jeddi> And at the risk of sounding condescending (not my intent) if you're fairly new to the platform, such that you've managed to install an OS without a DE (and that wasn't your intent) then having a backup DE available on your machine may be advantageous down the track. : )
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3980[22:52:42] <SerajewelKS> i'd just be careful with unintentional interactions between DEs
3981[22:53:10] <SerajewelKS> i've found that if i install KDE alongside gnome, the settings sections in the gnome and KDE menus wind up polluted with settings programs for the other DE
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3984[22:54:19] <jeddi> At no point would I suggest anyone ever install gnome on one of their machines. ; )
3985[22:54:23] <SerajewelKS> it's nice that you can, for example, run KDE programs within gnome
3986[22:54:34] <SerajewelKS> but sometimes they try to integrate with each other just a bit too much, to the point where it becomes confusing
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3994[22:56:53] <okee> How do i fix the following error: "Can't find ntfs-3g signature? This error shows up at bootup.
3995[22:57:35] <cra1g321> okee, maybe to do with fstab
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3999[22:58:23] <jeddi> okee: do you have ntfs-3g package installed?
4000[22:58:24] <jeddi> encrypted partition? what's the provenance of the ntfs partition you're trying to mount?
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4002[22:58:39] <okee> jeddi> Yes, ntfs-3g is installed.
4003[22:58:52] <jeddi> okee: oh - is it one of those hilarious dynamic drives?
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4006[23:00:00] <tuxy> When I try to stop and start networking service, I get this error: replaced-url
4007[23:00:12] <tuxy> is ifup deprecated?
4008[23:00:41] <tuxy> I'm on debian sid, but #debian-next is invite-only
4009[23:00:52] <blind> it's on OFTC
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4011[23:01:23] <tuxy> oh...that;s not freenode?
4012[23:01:41] <blind> nah, irc.oftc.net
4013[23:02:01] <andrzej_> hi
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4015[23:02:30] <awal1> I have had kde, gnome, cinnamon, lxde, mate , openbox, fluxbox and more WM's and all works fine; all well integrated.
4016[23:02:34] <andrzej_> pinguyOS is based on debian ?
4017[23:02:48] <awal1> But I ended removing them all, keeping just xfce+openbox :P
4018[23:03:02] <bin_bash> openbox ftw
4019[23:03:06] <blind> andrzej_: not sure, but even if it is, it still would not be supported in #debian
4020[23:03:17] <blind> I always went back to fluxbox <3
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4023[23:03:53] <a_man> !war window managers
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4025[23:04:44] <blind> heh. no war. ....yet
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4027[23:05:05] <awal1> openbox+tint2 (latest versions with all it's new features, almost a complete panel) +obsession , one doesn't need more :)
4028[23:05:18] <andrzej_> tnx blind
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4030[23:05:54] <tjcarter> I use xfce 4.12 for accessibility features.
4031[23:06:01] <blind> andrzej_: it looks like they have an IRC.. I'm not sure where it is but they have a webchat on their website.
4032[23:06:04] <tjcarter> _really_ wish it was in stable.
4033[23:06:13] <blind> oh it's here on freenode.
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4054[23:12:06] <gnu-cu> hi #debian :) must I use 64-bit distro or 32-bit with this processor replaced-url
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4063[23:14:02] <axc1298> gnu-cu: i'm guessing 32 bit
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4071[23:17:01] <RobinC> its got 64 bit instructions however its got 2GB max ram so apart from edge cases 32bit will be better
4072[23:17:41] <TomTomTosch> it's intel 64, which is not exactly amd64 but the amd64 should work.
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4080[23:19:06] <gnu-cu> thank for all
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4083[23:19:47] <gnu-cu> I generally use 64-bit distro but sometimes I try 32-bit.
4084[23:20:34] <gnu-cu> I think 32-bit has better performance on my netbook and I want to understand it :)
4085[23:20:52] <transhuman> on a debian install cd where does the "cdrom name come from" in order to add using apt-cdrom -r ---seems the lenny cd is named improperly
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4089[23:21:54] <okee> jeddi> I have no idea what the problem is. You can view the error message here --> replaced-url
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4095[23:22:28] <TomTomTosch> transhuman, i don't think bugs for oldoldoldstable have a high priority.
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4097[23:22:56] <transhuman> not reporting a bug trying to get around a bug in order to bring a live cd into the 21st century
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4132[23:37:37] <okee> jmcnaught> Are you sure that the correct path is /media/asd as opposed to just /media? The reason that i ask is that I found /media/windows, where the Windows director was full of data. This might explain why the drives were not showing up in the Home Directory. The windows directory is partitioned, so if Windows doesn't show, then nothing else will show. I tried using the ntfs-3g auto-configuration tool, but to no avail.
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4149[23:47:30] <axc1298> anyone know how i can change my dns servers to custom servers? changes i make to resolv.conf get overwritten every time i connect to a network
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4155[23:49:24] <mtn> axc1298: are you using network manager?
4156[23:50:23] <axc1298> mtn: no, i installed debian with lxde and it looks like it came with wicd
4157[23:50:48] <axc1298> dns changes in the wicd settings seem to have no effect on resolv.conf
4158[23:50:49] <mtn> axc1298: hmm, not sure about wicd, but it probably overwrites that file. set your dns in wicd
4159[23:51:39] <axc1298> mtn: how could i remove wicd and replace it with network manager? last time i tried that i ended up without any wifi lol
4160[23:52:16] <mtn> axc1298: when you install network manager, it should ask you which one you want to use, if I remember correctly
4161[23:52:56] <mtn> axc1298: you may need to change network applets in lxde
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4170[23:55:44] <Jojan> [Image]
4171[23:55:51] <axc1298> mtn: i'll try that
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4175[23:57:20] <axc1298> any idea what the applet package name would be? it's probably same for the gtk desktops
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4177[23:57:49] <axc1298> i tried apt-cache search network-manager
4178[23:58:02] <mtn> axc1298: something to do with network manager. you may have to install it, too.
4179[23:58:19] <mtn> axc1298: usually right click the panel gives you options to install applets
4180[23:58:32] <r6ku> lxde recommends network-manager-gnome
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4182[23:59:17] <axc1298> thanks
4183[23:59:25] <axc1298> i'll install network-manager and network-manager gnome
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