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10[00:02:01] <pseudonymous> Hi - I'm writing a systemd service file but I'm stuck on one point. I can't find any documentation on how to run my service as a non-root user. I'm effectively looking for a setuid/setegid-style config flag
11[00:02:02] <chrisw> Hi All, I built a machine using the CD installer, copied a bunch of data onto the disk, and the chassis then failed. I moved the disk to a new chassis, but now, on boot, the nic isn’t found. How can I get debian to re-run it’s hardware discovery from the existing disk but in the new chassis?
12[00:02:46] <chrisw> pseudonymous: replaced-url
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14[00:03:46] <jmcnaught> pseudonymous: or see man systemd.exec for the User= and Group= directives
15[00:03:55] <dvs> chrisw, rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
16[00:04:00] <dvs> then reboot
17[00:04:15] <chrisw> jmcnaught: yours is a much better answer :-)
18[00:05:07] <chrisw> pseudonymous / jmcnaught: obligatory systemd video: replaced-url
19[00:05:42] <pseudonymous> jmcnaught, chrisw: thanks :) Seems to work (and I'll be sure to check out the video.. Doing too much system maintenance nowadays to ignore systemd much longer)
20[00:06:02] <chrisw> oh, it’s just a joke video: systemd eats everything :-)
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22[00:06:33] <pseudonymous> chrisw: just realised :P It's true, though.
23[00:07:01] <chrisw> dvs: is there any other hardware re-discovery I should run? the disk was build in a desktop chassis, and is now in a shiny new HP ProLiant Gen 8 microserver...
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27[00:08:04] <dvs> chrisw, no, it's just the previous results are stored in the /etc/udev/rules.d directory.
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29[00:08:37] <jmcnaught> pseudonymous: there's a bit of a learning curve with system unit files, but you gotta admit they're a lot easier than init scripts :)
30[00:09:26] <chrisw> jmcnaught: yeah, not gonna lie, there’s a reason it’s eating everything… nice to have something consistent across Debian and RHEL, all my work machines are RHEL, home I still stick with Debian :-)
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33[00:10:04] <chrisw> dvs: so, even though it’s a different mobo, memory, cpu, etc, provided the architecture is the same (amd64), I should be good by just fixing the newworking?
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37[00:10:57] <pseudonymous> jmcnaught: It's a little back and forth. I *hate* sh syntax with a passion, but systemd, debian packages etc all suffer from (potentially) requiring me to bridge my knowledge of how to accomplish something manually from a terminal to their respective syntaxes. There's something to be said for transferable knowledge (even when wrapped in the icky sh-syntax)
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41[00:11:50] <dvs> chrisw, to get things working again, yes. You may need to change things if you change video card vendors.
42[00:12:12] <chrisw> meh, I only ever get to it through the remote console on the iLO
43[00:12:22] <chrisw> and that’s working fine
44[00:12:30] <chrisw> (it’s a headless serve)
45[00:13:30] <chrisw> I dearly with someone would do a decent out of band management web app.. iLO and iDRAC both suck, although a birdee tells me the next gen iDRAC will be straight HTML5, no java nonsense…
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53[00:20:57] <g00se> Trying to set up OpenVPN with NM, but the Add button in NM applet is greyed out, as is the Import button - how to solve that please?
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55[00:21:41] <cra1g321> g00se , check network-manager-openvpn package is installed
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65[00:24:19] <g00se> cra1g321: Yes it is, but perhaps others are needed too?
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67[00:25:09] <cra1g321> how do you manage your connections ? using the same applet ?
68[00:25:26] <g00se> Since i'm not using Gnome i didn't get the *-gnome ones
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70[00:25:41] <g00se> Same applet, yes
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74[00:27:01] <cra1g321> i haven't used gnome3, it is weird that the Add option is also greyed out for you
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78[00:27:47] <cygnusx1> its greyed out because the applet is already being used in another panel
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81[00:28:28] <g00se> Some docs are mentioning network-manager-pptp and network-manager-strongswan
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85[00:28:56] <cra1g321> you wont need them if you're using a openvpn config
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87[00:30:00] <g00se> network-manager-vpnc might be needed perhaps?
88[00:30:33] <cra1g321> nope
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90[00:31:38] <g00se> Everything still greyed out apart from Close
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92[00:31:45] <cafuego> vpnc is the cisco one afaik
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98[00:32:45] <cra1g321> g00se check the file /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
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100[00:32:58] <cra1g321> check it contains managed=true
101[00:32:59] <g00se> Ah OK. I can prob uninstall that later
102[00:33:36] <g00se> managed=true
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107[00:35:33] <cra1g321> g00se, and you're sure the file /etc/network/interfaces doesnt contain any network connection info ?
108[00:35:50] <cra1g321> like auto eth0 or auto wlan0
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110[00:36:20] <g00se> No. Just loopback
111[00:36:45] <g00se> Confused: package openvpn IS needed on the client too?
112[00:36:51] <cafuego> yes
113[00:37:18] <g00se> Ta. But not any kind of daemon running?
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115[00:37:47] <cra1g321> g00se are you trying to setup openvpn on a server or connect a computer to a openvpn server ?
116[00:37:54] <g00se> The latter
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118[00:38:11] <g00se> Server running on my LAN
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123[00:39:07] <cafuego> g00se: The applet should pull in the openvpn package as dependency though.
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125[00:39:19] <cra1g321> ^ it doesn't
126[00:39:32] <g00se> Well and truly greyed out VPN-wise
127[00:40:10] <cra1g321> have you tried rebooting ? usually doing that will make networkmanager take over managing the connections
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129[00:40:19] <g00se> I did, yes
130[00:40:28] <cra1g321> weird ;/
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135[00:40:41] <g00se> I'll check dmesg
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138[00:41:00] <cra1g321> im on kde, i just install network-manager-openvpn plasma-nm, then check the config file i told you, all works here
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149[00:43:48] <g00se> cra1g321: Did you do any prior client config?
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156[00:46:45] <freq> hello
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160[00:47:07] <g00se> sudo service openvpn status gives NO output ?
161[00:47:09] <freq> replaced-url
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163[00:47:51] <g00se> Again confused: is that daemon also there for client as well as server?
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167[00:48:48] <cra1g321> i was talking about my desktop there. if u mean the ovpn file, i just add: redirect-gateway def1 to it
168[00:49:15] <cra1g321> but that won't help you with your applet issue
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171[00:50:42] <g00se> cra1g321: So do YOU have that daemon running on the client as well?
172[00:51:16] <cra1g321> yes it says active
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175[00:52:06] <g00se> Right
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179[00:53:19] <g00se> "On Debian 7 (wheezy) you must install: sudo apt-get install network-manager-openvpn-gnome"
180[00:54:27] <cra1g321> ah i forgot about that package
181[00:54:44] <g00se> Yep. That's ungreyed it
182[00:55:04] <cra1g321> awesome, looks like you didnt need us ;)
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185[00:55:53] <g00se> Well - not so fat ;)
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187[00:56:02] <g00se> s/fat/fast
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191[00:57:08] <thenewone> Hi guys i just installed fresh installtion of debian8
192[00:57:15] <thenewone> and i couldnt start my wm i3
193[00:57:43] <thenewone> i installed xorg + xserver-xorg-video-intel... and i3 i3status dmenu i3lock
194[00:57:44] <TomTomTosch> using a DM?
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196[00:57:50] <thenewone> after this i create a .xinitrc
197[00:57:53] <TomTomTosch> ah
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199[00:57:57] <thenewone> exec i3 > .xinitrc
200[00:58:02] <thenewone> did i miss something ?
201[00:58:10] <thenewone> when i type startx it give error
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203[00:58:15] <thenewone> don't wanna show my i3
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206[00:59:31] <thenewone> and there is no wifi-menu on debian ?
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215[01:02:20] <thenewone> guys plz 1.5k peoples and no one could answer me ?
216[01:02:27] <thenewone> hello :)
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221[01:04:33] <mkb> you didn't give us any data
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223[01:04:38] <jamesawagner3> What's the error startx gives? What .xinitrc look like?
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225[01:05:29] <thenewone> jamesawagner3, i created .xinitrc
226[01:05:36] <thenewone> and i puted in exec i3-session
227[01:05:44] <thenewone> when itype startx
228[01:05:47] <thenewone> nothing show up
229[01:05:53] <thenewone> like i miss something i didn't install
230[01:06:06] <thenewone> could you give me the pkgs i need to run a wm
231[01:06:09] <mkb> it probably printed loads of text at you. what did it say?
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233[01:06:15] <thenewone> oen s
234[01:06:17] <thenewone> one* s
235[01:06:59] <thenewone> sorry guys
236[01:07:03] <thenewone> it's my fault ;)
237[01:07:13] <thenewone> i should remove the i3-(session)
238[01:07:22] <g00se> cra1g321: is the username in your applet config your usual one or is it something that was configured in the original openvpn setup?
239[01:07:27] <thenewone> just #echo "exec i3" > .xinitrc
240[01:07:34] <thenewone> i did i3-session wish will not work
241[01:07:36] <thenewone> thanks alot :)
242[01:07:45] <jamesawagner3> Good luck!
243[01:07:46] <cra1g321> g00se username ?
244[01:07:57] <thenewone> it's working now
245[01:08:01] <thenewone> another question
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247[01:08:05] <thenewone> i used to use wifi-menu
248[01:08:13] <thenewone> is there any tool like it in debian
249[01:08:22] <thenewone> because i tryed to search fo wifi-menu didn't find any
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251[01:08:30] <g00se> That's my normal one, yes. But it doesn't appear anywhere in original openvpn config
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253[01:08:54] <cra1g321> sorry i dont know what you're talking about
254[01:09:19] <jamesawagner3> If my googlefu is up to snuff, that's part of netctl.
255[01:09:38] <thenewone> jamesawagner3, netctl will do the work ?
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259[01:10:13] <jamesawagner3> That's the thing, netctl looks like an Archism.
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261[01:10:56] <TomTomTosch> if you just want a gui, there is nm-applet for network-manager
262[01:11:07] <jamesawagner3> For CLI stuff, running nmcli is the "standard", or if NetworkManager is not your preference, (it's not mine), WPA-Supplicant and dhclient, with iw/iwconfig.
263[01:11:23] <jamesawagner3> Otherwise, like TomTom said, nm-applet.
264[01:11:33] <TomTomTosch> if you want a ncurses one, then i have no idea.
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266[01:12:04] <thenewone> thanks guys
267[01:12:07] <thenewone> and have a nice day
268[01:12:08] <thenewone> :)
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289[01:22:21] <JordiGH> Hm, how come git isn't getting security patches on Debian?
290[01:22:28] <JordiGH> On stable, I mean.
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293[01:23:08] <cra1g321> JordiGH, replaced-url
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295[01:23:26] <JordiGH> Oh, it *just* came out.
296[01:23:43] <jmcnaught> thenewone is gone now, but nmtui is the ncurses interface to network manager
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332[01:49:07] <bugzc> i started virtualbox on debian jessie to load a live dvd of a linux distro. It failed to boot the live distro. when i tried to shut down the VM, the UI froze, with just the cursor operating. I can still SSH into the box, but it seems unresponsive to keyboard. any suggestions?
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371[02:11:10] <Iliketreesandlea> Hello there. When installing the distro (on a personal laptop) should LVM be used?
372[02:11:30] <Iliketreesandlea> It has one ddive
373[02:11:46] <Iliketreesandlea> s/ddive/drive
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383[02:14:15] <jmcnaught> Iliketreesandlea: I use LVM on my laptops. Often I'll leave some space unallocated in the volume group, so that I can make snapshots later or grow one of the volumes if it needs it
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388[02:15:35] <poffs> is there a duplicate file finding script? i need to search a certain directory (music) and delete duplicates. i need it to compare filenames and checksums.
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390[02:15:45] <Iliketreesandlea> jmc, thanks, that seems like a good idea
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396[02:16:59] <jmcnaught> Iliketreesandlea: actually i also make an encrypted volume, use that as the PV for LVM VG. that way all volumes are encrypted including swap using a single passphrase
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399[02:17:42] <jmcnaught> except /boot which is just a regular partition
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453[02:47:32] <poffs> i got her done with fdupes
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463[02:55:00] <poffs> how do i shut down as non-root through command line?
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465[02:56:09] <cygnusx1> sudo shutdown now
466[02:57:42] <cygnusx1> poffs
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468[02:58:56] <poffs> yeah i mean without sudo
469[02:59:10] <poffs> i can "click" shutdown, as non-root, non-sudo
470[02:59:15] <poffs> but i can't do it by command line
471[02:59:16] <poffs> why?
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473[02:59:48] <cygnusx1> because of the way permissions work
474[03:00:14] <poffs> yeah well how do i fix it? this is ridiculous
475[03:00:44] <cygnusx1> you can add your user to the group %admin with visudo and use the NOPASSWD function
476[03:00:58] <jmcnaught> poffs: press the power button on your computer?
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479[03:01:58] <cygnusx1> also you can add clauses in sudoers to allow a user to run certain commands
480[03:02:12] <cygnusx1> just allow your user to run shutdown
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482[03:02:38] <poffs> cygnusx1, hmm... that may work for me. that's probably sufficient for what I want.
483[03:03:08] <cygnusx1> the sudoers file gives some details on how to do it, but if thats not enough google a tutorial
484[03:03:15] <poffs> cygnusx1, i'm going to wire up a "kill" button that will remotely log onto every system in my house and shut them all down at once lol.
485[03:03:25] <cygnusx1> nice
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536[03:29:23] <jamesawagner3> Session/Display manager shutdowns are handled by PolicyKit, right?
537[03:30:55] <jamesawagner3> I try to avoid looking that closely into X permissions on a regular basis. I've only had a machine that didn't like user shutting down twice, I think, and it cleared after some random percussive maintence.
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561[03:43:53] <hiyo> Hello all I currently have a messed up fstab that is preventing me from booting
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563[03:44:38] <hiyo> I think the problem is in the root mount as it does a fsck, and then hangs, how do I fix it?
564[03:45:30] <RoyK> first: make sure you have a good backup
565[03:45:46] <RoyK> next: boot into single and do fsck -f manually
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568[03:46:25] <RoyK> if something is messed up, try with smartctl -H or -x /dev/sda or whatever its name is to get proper data
569[03:46:43] <hiyo> RoyK: how do I boot into single user mode? I currently am in a rescue session with the install cd
570[03:47:09] <RoyK> that should work
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573[03:47:35] <RoyK> first, as I said, make sure you have a good backup of your data
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576[03:48:50] <RoyK> check the drive with smartctl -H
577[03:48:52] <Ouroboros> i am sure its too late for that :)
578[03:48:52] <hiyo> Okay
579[03:48:56] <RoyK> and -x
580[03:49:19] <RoyK> Ouroboros: heh - some people never learn
581[03:49:22] <hiyo> RoyK: smartctl not found
582[03:49:35] <RoyK> apt-get install smartmontools
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586[03:50:36] <hiyo> The hard drive is working fine, all my data is all there and it is backed up
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589[03:50:45] <Ouroboros> RoyK: true
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591[03:50:50] <Ouroboros> and i am one of them :)
592[03:50:53] <hiyo> I think the problem is within the mounting options
593[03:51:14] <RoyK> well, good luck - I need sleep
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597[03:53:48] <hiyo> Can someone tell me what is the normal mounting options for the root partition
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599[03:54:37] <hiyo> Currently it is errors=remount-ro for mine, which i know it wasn't before
600[03:56:54] <hiyo> Ouroboros: do you know about fstab?
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604[03:59:43] <jmcnaught> hiyo: errors=remount-ro is what i have in fstab for /
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609[04:01:11] <Ouroboros> yeah, i think thats normal
610[04:01:17] <Ouroboros> the question is why it has errors
611[04:01:17] <ghostinzshell> There are 3 extensions (Bookmark Manager, Chromium PDF Viewer, CryptoTokenExtension) in my Chromium installation. Is this normal?
612[04:01:38] <hiyo> This is what happens when i boot up
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614[04:02:01] <hiyo> It says fsck from util-linux 2.25.2
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617[04:03:03] <jmcnaught> hiyo: can you put your journal (or at least the relevant errors) on replaced-url
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619[04:03:40] <hiyo> I can try but I'm currently talking to you on my phone
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621[04:04:06] <hiyo> jmcnaught: how do I get the journal
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623[04:04:47] <jmcnaught> hiyo: journalctl, so your computer doesn't finish booting?
624[04:05:34] <hiyo> No
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627[04:06:22] <hiyo> The last thing it says is "/dev/sda1: clean ##/###### files, ######/##### blocks
628[04:06:28] <hiyo> "
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630[04:06:54] <hiyo> jmcnaught: ^
631[04:07:04] <jmcnaught> that sounds like good news, maybe it's something else? you don't get a text login prompt?
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633[04:07:42] <jmcnaught> hiyo: does the screen go completely black after that message?
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636[04:07:59] <hiyo> jmcnaught: no I don't, the thing was that i edited the fstab in an attempt to mount an external hard drive, but then this happened
637[04:08:19] <hiyo> jmcnaught: I removed my edit but the problem is still here
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640[04:08:35] <ryanzc> how do i run the gopher browser thingy?
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642[04:09:12] <jmcnaught> hiyo: did you change the line for / at all? is this your first reboot in a while, recently done any upgrades?
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646[04:11:05] <hiyo> jmcnaught: well i changed it after i got the error to attempt to fix it, since deleting the other line didn't work. This computer has been rebooted every day this week without problem and have had any recent upgrades
647[04:11:32] <hiyo> jmcnaught: HAVEN'T had any upgrades
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654[04:12:46] <jmcnaught> hiyo: check /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian, there are some instructions for debugging boot problems with a debug-shell
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660[04:14:53] <hiyo> jmcnaught: I can get a rescue shell with the install disk, I just want to know what I need to change in fstab to fix it
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662[04:16:10] <jmcnaught> hiyo: i can't see your fstab to know what may or may not be broken in it. with a debug shell like ^ you may be able to diagnose what is happening during the boot, instead of booting a separate system and mounting a chroot (which is what the rescue mode is doing)
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664[04:18:13] <hiyo> jmcnaught: okay I'll need a couple minutes
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670[04:22:28] <hiyo> jmcnaught: my grub bootloader is set to have a 0 second timeout, how do i edit the boot line to go into the debug shell?
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672[04:23:18] <Ouroboros> pico /boot/grub/menu.lst
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674[04:24:04] <jmcnaught> hiyo: did you previously set it to 0 second timeout?
675[04:24:15] <hiyo> jmcnaught: yes
676[04:24:51] <hiyo> Ouroboros: thanks I'll try that
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681[04:25:39] <jmcnaught> hiyo: are there lots of other customizations you've made to the boot process?
682[04:26:37] <hiyo> jmcnaught: no just that one
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685[04:28:35] <hiyo> jmcnaught: just for a quick test do you mind reading me the full fstab line for your root partition (don't need the uuid)?
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687[04:29:12] <jmcnaught> hiyo: an alternative to the debug-shell you could also try is adding "systemd.unit=rescue.target"
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689[04:29:58] <jmcnaught> hiyo: /dev/mapper/root / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1
690[04:31:05] <hiyo> Ah yes pretty much the same.. Okay will try the debug now
691[04:31:26] <jmcnaught> hiyo: also removing "quiet" from the kernel command line
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694[04:33:28] <hiyo> jmcnaught: I don't have a /boot in this shell
695[04:34:17] <hiyo> jmcnaught: ignore last message
696[04:34:18] <jmcnaught> hiyo: in the installer's rescue mode? is your /boot on its own partition? can you mount it?
697[04:35:31] <hiyo> jmcnaught: I have the boot now can I edit the grub.cfg to set the timeout
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699[04:36:32] <jmcnaught> hiyo: i would estimate that all the seconds you saved by setting the grub timeout to 0 seconds have now been wasted on this task :P
700[04:36:49] <Ouroboros> anyone know of a pre-rolled lockstep-ha type thing?
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703[04:37:57] <Ouroboros> i think there was a vmware one, but it was expensive
704[04:38:39] <hiyo> jmcnaught: lol I thought it was a perfectly fine thing to do, considering this is a home server and all
705[04:39:25] <hiyo> jmcnaught: the file is readonly....
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707[04:39:45] <jmcnaught> hiyo: live and learn i guess. when the computer fails to boot, you're also not able to ssh into it?
708[04:39:55] <Ouroboros> presumably not
709[04:40:20] <hiyo> jmcnaught: yes of course, that's why i had to hook up my monitor and keyboard to it
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711[04:41:09] <jmcnaught> hiyo: chmod +w the file, but remember to make it readonly again later
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721[04:45:36] <hiyo> jmcnaught: okay which line do i edit in the grub bootloader
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724[04:46:24] <sypher> gah. This is not working right...
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727[04:48:05] <baconicsynergy> i believe in you!
728[04:48:10] <jim> jmcnaught: if you're around, I have a kvm question, maybe a few
729[04:48:15] <jmcnaught> hiyo: the linux line. remove the word quiet, add "systemd.unit=rescue.target"
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732[04:49:10] <hiyo> jmcnaught: yeah took me a while to sort this all out, it's booting!! #
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735[04:49:46] <hiyo> jmcnaught: okay I'm in
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737[04:50:11] <jmcnaught> hiyo: in the rescue.target?
738[04:50:29] <jmcnaught> jim: i'm here, for a little bit at least
739[04:50:37] <hiyo> oh I did debug-shell
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741[04:50:59] <hiyo> jmcnaught: will rescue work better
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744[04:51:39] <jmcnaught> hiyo: either way i guess.. the debug-shell should be on tty9
745[04:52:23] <jmcnaught> hiyo: that debug shell is not something you'd want on all the time by the way, just as a one-time thing to figure out your problems.. but you said the system booted this time? is it connected to the network?
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747[04:52:50] <hiyo> jmcnaught: you're correct, what should i do? I can connect it to the network
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751[04:54:44] <jmcnaught> hiyo: check the journal with "journalctl" to look for errors and/or put it on replaced-url
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754[04:56:44] <jmcnaught> or grok /var/log/syslog to try and find errors from the previous boots the old fashioned way
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757[04:57:32] <hiyo> jmcnaught: not sure how relevant this is, but when i went to plug in the Ethernet i realised that the USB cable for the portable hard drive was shoved in their by accident
758[04:57:34] <jim> jmcnaught, thanks for that... so I made a coupla PVs, and a small partition for /boot, and grouped the pvs into a vg... what I'm not quite understanding yet, is how to use them... they're real PVS, and the partition and the vg are real, and I'm not sure how to let the guest use it (btw, the guest is working fine other than that, I can run the installer)
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760[04:58:06] <Ouroboros> so yeah, i am looking for something like vmware vsphere replication/fault tolerance, but, you know, free
761[04:58:07] <jmcnaught> hiyo: heh.. could be at least related to why you couldn't ssh into it
762[04:58:11] <hiyo> jmcnaught: bit it shouldn't be the problem since i removed that line from fstab, correct?
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764[04:58:35] <Ouroboros> hiyo: lol, we have all done that
765[05:00:10] <jim> jmcnaught, so my question is mostly, what are a couple ways to "expose" the vg and the partition to the guest? (and, oops, brb)
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775[05:04:29] <jmcnaught> jim: so libvirt can assemble an LVM vg, but i made mine before hand, and set it up in libvirt as a "logical" pool type. It's lightly documented here: replaced-url
776[05:04:35] <jmcnaught> ... can be left blank)
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778[05:05:14] <hiyo> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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783[05:08:51] <jmcnaught> hiyo: this looks like a bunch of services starting normally. i noticed a regular user login. did you see any errors? is this a journal from a successful boot, or an unsuccesful boot?
784[05:09:22] <hiyo> This is just what i got from the debug shell
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786[05:09:42] <hiyo> I'll reboot into the bad one
787[05:09:57] <jmcnaught> jim: does that make sense? i never tried letting libvirt assemble the VG (partly because i wanted to use lvmcache)
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792[05:10:28] <jmcnaught> hiyo: it is a little strange that it boot properly with the debug-shell enabled
793[05:10:41] <jim> I can't see where the "localhost (QEMU)" connection is
794[05:12:19] <hiyo> jmcnaught: i plugged the external back in to see what would happen
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796[05:13:15] <hiyo> Now the last line says "usb 4-1:device descriptor read/all, error -110"
797[05:13:30] <jmcnaught> jim: in virt-manager, in the main window, under the "name" column. virt-manager can handle more than one hypervisor
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799[05:13:54] <jmcnaught> hiyo: bad disk/enclosure?
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801[05:14:45] <jim> found it
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803[05:15:53] <hiyo> jmcnaught: yes it is a faulty disk, was planning to use it for movies on samba until it fully face it
804[05:15:58] <hiyo> *gave out
805[05:16:12] <hiyo> jmcnaught: I did something else
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807[05:16:37] <hiyo> jmcnaught: I removed the quiet and it booted me in for again
808[05:17:07] <hiyo> jmcnaught: I am starting to think it wouldn't boot without the internet connection...
809[05:17:52] <jmcnaught> hiyo: i don't see how removing quiet would fix anything. maybe it's more like w/o network one of your services takes a long time to time out?
810[05:18:12] <jim> I know the name of the vg, what's its path? or can I browse? also, I'd add the partition as a separate pool?
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813[05:19:31] <jim> oh I see the path, if it's activated, it's goign to be /dev/vg
814[05:20:01] <hiyo> jmcnaught: very odd I'm getting a full bootup once I removed the drive and it's in quiet
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817[05:22:07] <jmcnaught> hiyo: we should blame the drive, or at least the enclosure
818[05:22:24] <hiyo> jmcnaught: sorry I meant once I remove quiet, now it has the same issue when quiet is back
819[05:23:05] <jmcnaught> hiyo: system fails to boot again with quiet, without bad drive?
820[05:23:39] <hiyo> jmcnaught exactly
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823[05:26:09] <jmcnaught> hiyo: it's almost like a cry for attention at this point. also no ssh? maybe give it a few minutes, then reboot with debug-shell or quiet, and use "journalctl -b -1" for the journal from previous boot (as long as persistent journal is configured)
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840[05:39:14] <hiyo> jmcnaught: I followed the instruction to make it persistent but it didn't work
841[05:39:28] <jmcnaught> hiyo: what step failed?
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844[05:40:22] <hiyo> jmcnaught: I don't know, all I know is I'm very exhausted, I probably made a mistake because I'm nodding off
845[05:40:45] <jmcnaught> hiyo: of the two commands involved, the first one "install -d -g systemd-journal /var/log/journal" is the important one, the second just makes the journal files accessible to the adm group
846[05:41:09] <hiyo> jmcnaught: I'm going to sleep, thanks for your help but i have to continue this with some rest to do the job right
847[05:41:34] <jmcnaught> hiyo: /var/log/syslog should have entries from previous boot too, journalctl is just easier to narrow things down with
848[05:41:45] <hiyo> jmcnaught: I did both of the commands
849[05:41:50] <jmcnaught> hiyo: get some rest, you'll fix it tomorrow :)
850[05:41:51] <hiyo> Ok
851[05:42:17] <hiyo> Thank you, good night everyone
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863[05:54:43] <jim> it wants a driver for the disk...
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865[05:55:16] <jmcnaught> what does?
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868[05:55:58] <jim> the installer... apparantly it couldn't autodetect it, so now it's asking me for which driver to use (in a list)
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870[05:56:51] <jmcnaught> jim: oh really? what are some of the options?
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872[05:58:04] <somiaj> jim: what installer are you using (offical or live installer)?
873[05:58:28] <jim> I recognize some old cards, like buslogic and some of the scsi cards, and raid stuff... I wouild assume I'm looking for somethign that lets it use the device mapper
874[05:58:50] <jmcnaught> jim: if you look at the details for the VM (under the view menu in the console window), what are the source path and device type of the virtual disk?
875[06:00:05] <jim> somiaj, a little background... this is a kvm guest, for which I configured some storage pools... probably the "driver" would give me some kind of access to the pools?
876[06:00:38] <jim> somiaj, also this isn't particularly important, I'm mostly goofing around, experimenting
877[06:00:59] <jim> appreciate your response
878[06:01:15] <jmcnaught> jim: for example, my guest's virtual disks have source paths like: /dev/vg/lv, and i use the virtio bus type
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880[06:01:34] <jim> argh, I shut it down :) I'll start it again
881[06:01:52] <jmcnaught> jim: you can check the details while it's shutdown, better that way even
882[06:02:06] <theunixfreak> hi. what do you guys prefer on your desktop? debian stable or testing?
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884[06:02:47] <jim> jmcnaught, I was thinking to shut it down would be my only choice
885[06:02:47] <jmcnaught> theunixfreak: stable means your computer works reliably every day, updates don't bring surprises. testing means you want to help report bugs for the next debian release, sometimes stuff breaks.
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888[06:03:47] <theunixfreak> jmcnaught, but i have found that testing may be your best bet for new hardware. stable usually has some quirks with new laptops
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891[06:05:06] <jmcnaught> theunixfreak: stable also has backports with newer kernel packages. if you need the computer to work reliably, stable excels at this. i use stable on my desktops. if you are adventurous and want to help report bugs, testing can be fun.
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893[06:06:29] <jim> jmcnaught, somiaj (if you want), I have a 10g real partition I made for /boot, I present it to the guest as a "preformatted block device"
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895[06:06:45] <theunixfreak> jmcnaught, my problem was not exactly hardware related. debian jessie rendered some webfonts in unreadable fashion, i tried googling but did not find a good solution. upgrading to testing fixed it
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897[06:07:12] <jim> and I used "lvm volume group" for most of the storage
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899[06:07:27] <jmcnaught> jim: ahh.. i've never tried something like that. i just give guests one (or more) virtual disks which are LVM volumes in my "virtualization" volume group
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901[06:08:10] <jim> meaning you had one pool defined per vol or partition?
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904[06:09:23] <jim> I was thinking if I gave it a vg, I could define the lvs in the installer (of course, that's contingent upon whether the installer could see the vg)
905[06:09:25] <jmcnaught> jim: i have two storage pools in libvirt, the default one (/var/lib/libvirt/images), and another that is an LVM volume group. Each guest gets one logical volume
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910[06:10:07] <jmcnaught> jim: the guest sees that logical volume as a disk, which it can partition however it wants (i also usually use LVM inside the guests)
911[06:11:07] <jmcnaught> jim: even simpler than this is to simply use the default storage pool, with qcow2 image files. The guest doesn't know the difference, it sees the virtual disk as a drive it can partition or whatever
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913[06:11:21] <jim> would you ever present pvs as "whole disks" and have the installer define the vg?
914[06:11:47] <syssi> hello folks! I'm looking for backports of debian squeeze.
915[06:11:48] <jmcnaught> maybe if i had a special reason to
916[06:12:07] <syssi> The mirrors seems to be broken somehow. The package lists are still there but the packages are missing.
917[06:12:08] <jim> what I'm getting, is it's hard (or maybe impossible) to present just a vg
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919[06:12:26] <syssi> Does anybody know a working mirror?
920[06:12:26] <somiaj> syssi: squeeze is no longer supported, and lts support has ended. As such all the packages are moved to archive.debian.org (the archive of releases)
921[06:12:45] <jmcnaught> syssi: your wheezy upgrade is long overdue :)
922[06:12:46] <jim> syssi, you want to install squeeze? that's in the archives still (I think)
923[06:12:48] <somiaj> syssi: squeeze is not on the mirrors (due to no longer supported)
924[06:12:56] <syssi> somiaj: I know but also archive.debian.org is broken.
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926[06:13:26] <jim> do you want to upgrade?
927[06:13:30] <somiaj> syssi: if there is a bug with it, maybe report it to the matainer. I don't use archive.debian.org myself
928[06:13:31] <syssi> Yes... I know about the end of the support. No. :-)
929[06:13:41] <Ouroboros> meh, i am still running etch :)
930[06:13:42] <Shawn> a_man: because they dont work.
931[06:13:45] <syssi> I cannot upgrade. The system is disconnected from the internet .
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934[06:14:05] <syssi> I just want to install a single package which was available at the backports.
935[06:14:08] <jmcnaught> jim: the libvirt storage pool is where/how the hypervisor keeps virtual disks for guests. to me it make more sense to give the guest an LV from the pool. the guest sees that as a disk it can use like normal.
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937[06:14:37] <Shawn> a_man: example, the flake8 in debian doesnt work with python3, so it warns me about syntax that is valid in python3 but not in python2
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939[06:15:15] <somiaj> syssi: it could just be that squeeze-backports is not archived. This just might be an oversite due to squeeze being the first were backports were offically part of the release.
940[06:15:36] <syssi> For example: replaced-url
941[06:15:50] <syssi> The package lists are there but all references are broken (file not found).
942[06:16:06] <somiaj> syssi: oh nevermind, I was looking in the wrong spot
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945[06:16:25] <somiaj> syssi: what actual package are you looking for?
946[06:16:37] <JD6> Hey Guys - Anyone know anything about the debian testing branch and intel-gfx drivers on Skylake - Basically XVIDEO is hosed
947[06:16:57] <syssi> somiaj: opendkim
948[06:17:02] <Shawn> a_man: and you're supposed to update pip before you install anything with it, that means you install distro pip, and use distro pip to install a new pip to another directory. same thing with virtualenv
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950[06:17:23] <jim> somiaj (the "it's not important, I'm just goofing" thing, was to make the point there would be -no- pressure exerted, such as there could have been for a work project, no pressure on me, no pressure on anyone (like yourself) who might step in to help)
951[06:17:34] <somiaj> syssi: replaced-url
952[06:17:59] <syssi> somiaj: yeay!!
953[06:18:13] <somiaj> syssi: it is there, I just had to look for the package directly since the sources are broken
954[06:18:16] <syssi> somaij: thanks a lot. there is the version i'm looking for.
955[06:18:18] <syssi> thanks a lot.
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957[06:18:35] <somiaj> syssi: I'd also suggest reporting this to archive.debian.org that squeeze-backports sources are broken
958[06:18:41] <syssi> I'm happy. Thank you guys!
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960[06:19:17] <somiaj> jim: no problem, I didn't catch it was on a vm. I just know that using the live installer from inside the live enviorment seems to fail on grub alot and if that was the case I would have had a suggestion. But it wasn't.
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962[06:20:24] <jim> somiaj, I'm not using a live, but a netinstall, which does boot in kvm
963[06:20:32] <a_man> Shawn, i think you're pinging the wrong person
964[06:20:39] <Shawn> no way
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966[06:20:48] <jackcom> .
967[06:21:15] <jackcom> i want learn Debian, then what must i do?
968[06:21:27] <Shawn> 09:46 <Shawn> systems $PATH, and just amend it to the $PATH in my IDE
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970[06:21:30] <Shawn> 09:50 <a_man> Shawn, are there packages available for them? why not use the packges?
971[06:21:32] <jim> you could... install it...
972[06:21:51] <Shawn> a_man: am I to assume that was a different a_man?
973[06:21:56] <jim> jackcom, ^^
974[06:22:08] <jackcom> jim: i install it already
975[06:22:16] <jackcom> next?
976[06:22:30] <jackcom> how can i update it?
977[06:22:47] <jim> jackcom, ok, so there are many different facets to a linux such as what you have... what do you want to learn first?
978[06:22:54] <somiaj> jackcom: what version of debian did you install and what do you mean by update it?
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980[06:23:26] <jackcom> how can i know debian version?
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982[06:23:39] <jim> cat /etc/debian_version
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984[06:23:57] <a_man> Shawn, oops, yes, that was me :p
985[06:24:00] <jackcom> 8.3
986[06:24:02] <jim> I think I got the name rigth :)
987[06:24:04] <somiaj> jackcom: most likely it is debian 8 (jessie) which is a stable sytem.
988[06:24:10] <jim> ok, you have the latest stable
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990[06:24:13] <jackcom> thanks
991[06:24:18] <jackcom> yeah
992[06:24:20] <jackcom> next
993[06:24:30] <somiaj> jackcom: okay so you have debian jessie, a stable system and the current release. You won't have to worry about 'updating' your install until the next relase in about a year. As of now just stick with stable
994[06:24:45] <jackcom> oh good news
995[06:24:46] <jackcom> :)
996[06:25:01] <a_man> Shawn, oh joy
997[06:25:05] <somiaj> jackcom: you should probabaly make sure you get security fixes, 'apt-get update' followed by 'apt-get upgrade' will get any security fixes you are missing
998[06:25:36] <jim> yeah, there are things that are later, but since you're beginning, maybe you should stick with the stable variant?
999[06:25:54] <jackcom> i know guy who can do ‘i can look at all the pictures you look at on my screen if it is not https’ with debian.
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1001[06:26:00] <jackcom> oh good somiaj
1002[06:26:06] <somiaj> jackcom: beyond that you should be able to install and remove any packages provided by debian to test things out. If the package exists in debian jessie you should be fine installing it. If you want to install something outside of what debian gives you, I would suggest asking here first because that is one common way people will break their system
1003[06:26:12] <somiaj> !dontbreakdebian
1004[06:26:12] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, dont break debian is replaced-url
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1006[06:26:47] <jackcom> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade <— this is right somiaj ?
1007[06:26:56] <somiaj> jackcom: that is one way to do it.
1008[06:27:09] <a_man> Shawn, thank you
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1010[06:27:27] <somiaj> jackcom: if you would like you can share the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net and we can check you have the internet sources configured correctly. But this is usually done with the installer so it should be fine.
1011[06:27:54] <jackcom> ok thanks
1012[06:28:30] <jackcom> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
1013[06:28:31] <jackcom> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied) <— somiaj
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1016[06:29:22] <somiaj> jackcom: you have to run these commands as root.
1017[06:29:29] <jackcom> how
1018[06:29:31] <jackcom> ?
1019[06:29:34] <jackcom> i have no idea
1020[06:29:38] <somiaj> jackcom: many do this via the sudo command. 'sudo foo'
1021[06:29:39] <jackcom> sudo?
1022[06:29:51] <somiaj> jackcom: the other way is to become root with 'su -', but now you need to know roots password
1023[06:30:16] <jackcom> oo7cat@debian:~$ sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
1024[06:30:16] <jackcom> bash: sudo: command not found
1025[06:30:39] <jackcom> oh :(
1026[06:30:49] <somiaj> jackcom: you will have to install and ocnfigure sudo if you want to use it, that means you have to 'su -' to root and use the root account to run these commands.
1027[06:30:53] <somiaj> if you like I can help you set up sudo
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1029[06:31:24] <jackcom> thanks somiaj i did it
1030[06:31:38] <jim> the thing I usually say to people who want to learn debian (or any linux), is you need to get very familiar with your shell (usually this would be bash) by reading its documentation, trying things out, running bash (or other shell) tutorials, or whatever you mignt do to learn more about it... second thing, is that reading the man pages (which are the reference manual for debian) takes practice, and you should practice reading (maybe you understand
1031[06:31:38] <jim> nothing at first, but it gets better with time)
1032[06:31:42] <jackcom> how can i change root —> user?
1033[06:32:03] <somiaj> jackcom: can you clarify what you mean by change root --> user.
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1035[06:32:14] <jackcom> from root to user
1036[06:32:15] <jmcnaught> jackcom: jim's advice ^^ is solid
1037[06:32:48] <jackcom> needing time
1038[06:32:54] <jim> oh man, and it;s heavy too... argh...
1039[06:33:04] <jackcom> i m in root now
1040[06:33:10] <jackcom> but i want go to user
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1042[06:33:29] <somiaj> jackcom: if you got to root by running 'su -', you can just type 'exit' to get back to your user
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1045[06:34:03] <somiaj> jackcom: once you are root, you can become any user you want with 'su - username'
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1047[06:34:19] <jim> maybe your user is named jack?
1048[06:34:27] <jackcom> somiaj: thanks i did it
1049[06:34:28] <jackcom> :)
1050[06:34:38] <jackcom> on
1051[06:34:40] <jackcom> oh
1052[06:35:16] <jackcom> su - <—— what ‘-‘ means?
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1054[06:35:40] <somiaj> jackcom: it means to use a full login shell (this makes it so the enviomrent is as if you logged in as that user)
1055[06:35:43] <Ouroboros> probably not the right channel, but i will ask again anyway: anyone aware of a something similar to vmware vsphere replication but debian/linux/free ?
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1057[06:36:02] <jackcom> oh thanks :)
1058[06:36:04] <jmcnaught> jackcom: you can also use "su -l" instead of "su -"
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1060[06:36:35] <jackcom> thanks somiaj and jmcnaught
1061[06:36:36] <jackcom> :)
1062[06:36:40] <somiaj> jackcom: without it, you keep part of your old enviorment when becomming the new user. Each ahs its uses, I'm just in the habbit of prefering a full login shell
1063[06:36:54] <somiaj> Ouroboros: what does vsphere do? Have you looked at the features of say libvirt?
1064[06:37:11] <jmcnaught> Ouroboros: if libvirt is not enough, maybe openstack?
1065[06:37:18] <Ouroboros> somiaj: i am talking about the lockstep replicatoin thing, where it mirrors all events between two VMs
1066[06:37:37] <somiaj> Ouroboros: ahh that is out of my experience with vms
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1068[06:40:46] <jim> jackcom, so you want to learn, how bout: what do you want to use your debian for?
1069[06:41:28] <Ouroboros> corosync and xenserver-ha were mentioned to me before, but it seems complex
1070[06:41:45] <Ouroboros> i guess thats why vsphere is like $3k or whatever
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1072[06:42:13] <jmcnaught> Ouroboros: openstack also looks pretty complex, but it is packaged in Debian. Not sure if it has what you're looking for though
1073[06:42:21] <jackcom> i can look at all the pictures you look at on my screen if it is not https <—— someone who use debian said like this
1074[06:42:27] <jackcom> ji
1075[06:42:29] <jackcom> jim:
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1082[06:45:57] <Ouroboros> hm
1083[06:46:44] <Ouroboros> this is also interesting replaced-url
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1085[06:47:13] <jim> jackcom, here are some things that people use debian for... programming (c, c++, even fortran. perl, tcl, python, lisp, maybe hundreds of others)... make web pages, install web servers to show those web pages, email, games, databases, spreadsheets, so much more
1086[06:47:45] <jackcom> oh great jim
1087[06:48:28] <nevyn> jackcom: yeah there's software for that.
1088[06:48:40] <jackcom> yeah
1089[06:48:43] <jim> what I'm wondering now, is is there something specific you want to do or to learn about?
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1091[06:49:27] <nevyn> jackcom: driftnet is a network sniffer for images
1092[06:49:33] <nevyn> it can be fun on wifi
1093[06:49:55] <jackcom> driftnet?
1094[06:50:15] <nevyn> 16:42 < jackcom> i can look at all the pictures you look at on my screen if it is not https <—— someone who use debian said like this
1095[06:50:27] <jackcom> yeah
1096[06:50:38] <jackcom> but how i can install it on Debian?
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1101[06:52:48] <nevyn> apt-get install driftnet..
1102[06:52:58] <jim> there are a lot of programs which are picture viewers, and movie viewers, and programs where you draw
1103[06:52:58] <nevyn> same way you install any packaged software
1104[06:52:59] <jackcom> thanks
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1106[06:53:11] <nevyn> jim: he's after something specific
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1109[06:54:47] <jim> nevyn, yeah, I'm still on the "I want to learn debian" thing
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1116[06:55:42] <jim> maybe that ship has sailed
1117[06:55:55] <Ouroboros> mmhm
1118[06:57:26] <jmcnaught> let us hope that driftnet gets used responsibly
1119[06:57:33] <nevyn> always
1120[06:57:37] <nevyn> or not.
1121[06:58:14] <nevyn> remmebmer kids practice safe web browsing use ssl
1122[06:58:43] <a_man> nevyn, i always carry my 9mm automatic
1123[06:59:20] <a_man> don't need no stinkin' encryption
1124[06:59:48] <nevyn> uh-huh I'm sure it's adequate protection from std's too.
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1126[07:01:09] <nevyn> guns are not a pancea.
1127[07:02:23] <a_man> wadda you have to hide, ey? /me records all your data for future decryption
1128[07:02:58] <simonlnu> ...
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1130[07:03:18] <a_man> that.. is what's done
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1132[07:03:32] <a_man> at least nsa does it
1133[07:03:38] <simonlnu> *plonk*
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1135[07:03:52] <Ouroboros> boy are they going to be disappointed
1136[07:04:03] <Ouroboros> unless they really like amusing cat pics
1137[07:04:04] <a_man> twhs
1138[07:05:02] * simonlnu thinks they'd be bored with hime too, a bunch of gaming videos
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1143[07:09:31] <a_man> Shawn, sorry, i was very confused
1144[07:09:36] * a_man is re-reading what you said
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1146[07:09:50] <Shawn> I was beginning to worry about you
1147[07:09:53] <Shawn> xD
1148[07:10:04] <a_man> Shawn, that is horrible
1149[07:10:13] <Shawn> what
1150[07:10:21] <a_man> the situation you have to go through
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1155[07:11:29] <a_man> it's 02:10. i thought you were responding that i had asked.. in a totally different server
1156[07:11:57] <a_man> ..responding to something
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1158[07:13:25] <a_man> i've got several perl modules to install. might have to just use cpan..
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1160[07:14:31] <Shawn> it's easier on windows because when you install a version of python it has it's own directory tree, and all packages are installed under that. and any software which rely on python and modules will include those versions. debian tries to have one version for all the software that needs it, and that concept keeps the OS from taking up too much space too quickly, but since harddrive space is so cheap now I
1161[07:14:34] <Shawn> think that concept is getting dated
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1163[07:15:08] <jmcnaught> Shawn: can you do what you need to in a virtualenv?
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1165[07:17:37] <jim> jmcnaught, so, I'm pausing with the kvm thing for now... I know what I want to try next...
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1173[07:26:43] <jmcnaught> jim: i would maybe try using the default storage pool with an image file to get a better feel for it
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1179[07:30:11] <jim> jmcnaught, another thing I might try is to give it access to the physical disk
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1181[07:30:32] <a_man> jmcnaught, are you going to setup a reminder in your calendar to update the programs in the venv?
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1183[07:31:03] <a_man> or even remember it exists..
1184[07:31:20] <a_man> ¯\(º_o)/¯
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1189[07:33:45] <jmcnaught> a_man: i always prefer installing with debian packages, but it depends on the use case. if it's just a single python project, maybe using virtualenvwrapper with it isn't so bad. or have puppet or ansible or something keep it up to date for you. but yeah, installing stuff from pip in a venv is not ideal
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1191[07:34:59] <a_man> whatever works for you tm
1192[07:35:09] <a_man> whatever's best for you*
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1203[07:42:46] <suh_dude_> Hi!
1204[07:43:07] <suh_dude_> I'm watching a livestream in Doha, Qatar
1205[07:43:37] <Shawn> still flake8 did not work and I don't want to have to launch my ide from a venv just to get it to lint correctly
1206[07:43:37] <suh_dude_> The livestream is somewhat sensitive I think, given the nature of the country. Which is kind of oppressive, like Saudi.
1207[07:43:53] <suh_dude_> Trying to view the livestream via Tor Browser
1208[07:44:17] <suh_dude_> But something's telling me that someone might be making it harder for Tor Browser users to watch the livestream.
1209[07:44:25] <suh_dude_> Panel Discussion: How to Cover Violent Extremism and Survive
1210[07:44:29] <suh_dude_> That's the session right now
1211[07:44:40] <suh_dude_> How can I know someone might be tampering with my connection?
1212[07:44:51] <suh_dude_> I know this is crazy but kind of makes sense.
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1214[07:45:24] <Shawn> jmcnaught: so my question is should I put the pip installed packages in /usr/local or somewhere outside of my systemwide $PATH and then just ammend it to path when I open certain programs
1215[07:46:21] <jmcnaught> Shawn: personally i wouldn't run pip as root, but you could try it as a member of the staff group. it could cause problems during upgrades in the future. did you try "python3 -m flake8 something.py" ?
1216[07:46:33] <Shawn> I guess it might not even matter because the new flake8 might be backwards compatible
1217[07:46:47] <Shawn> I am already in staff group
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1219[07:47:37] <Shawn> jmcnaught yes evoking it like that doesn't work, but it doesn't work in atom and I'm not quite sure why
1220[07:47:45] <Shawn> Er,
1221[07:47:49] <jmcnaught> suh_dude_: this is pretty off topic for the Debian Support channel
1222[07:47:57] <Shawn> Typo, first doesn't was supposed to be does lol
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1228[07:49:10] <jmcnaught> Shawn: oh, well i don't know Atom at all. I was unable to get python3 support with vim in Debian (because vim can apparently only be compiler with one or the other), i don't know what the situation is with atom
1229[07:49:11] <Shawn> yes evoking it like that *does* work,
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1231[07:50:26] <suh_dude_> jmcnaught: Ok sorry
1232[07:50:30] <Shawn> I was using vim before but I felt like I was fiddling with it more than my own code
1233[07:51:12] <jmcnaught> well if you need python3 vim in jessie doesn't seem to be an option anyways
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1237[07:52:40] <jmcnaught> suh_dude_: as for your question, i don't use tor very often but in my experience it's pretty slow, and the speed fluctuates. if you don't see black helicopters out your window, it's probably just a bandwidth issue
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1241[07:54:22] <jmcnaught> Shawn: there was someone in here a week or two ago who couldn't upgrade from wheezy to jessie, the culprit ended up being python modules in /usr/local, so if you do do that, remember it some how.
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1245[07:56:52] <Shawn> Also it's kinda lame python modules are incompatible with stow
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1247[07:57:20] <jmcnaught> Shawn: what about 'alias flake8="python3 -m flake8" in your .bashrc?
1248[07:57:37] <Shawn> Oh good idea... Trying now
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1250[07:58:34] <suh_dude_> jmcnaught: Lol helis! :p
1251[07:58:39] <suh_dude_> jmcnaught: Thanks!
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1292[08:23:49] <Shawn> jmcnaught: a_man: I figured out a good way to add it to the path for my IDE and nothing else, i'm going to try it this way for a while
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1294[08:24:32] <a_man> workarounds ftw
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1299[08:26:55] <jmcnaught> Shawn: cool. the alias didn't work?
1300[08:27:38] <Shawn> uhm
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1309[08:34:23] <Shawn> wth. getting permission denied pip uninstalling those things
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1311[08:36:40] <Shawn> oh wth i guess parts are owned by root. thats odd could have sworn i didnt sudo it because i never sudo install anything...
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1314[08:38:37] <Shawn> yeah checked my history, didnt
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1316[08:40:21] <Shawn> ugh
1317[08:41:07] <Shawn> replaced-url
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1319[08:41:24] <Shawn> it's trying to remove /usr/bin/pep8
1320[08:41:48] <Shawn> which it didnt put there, :(
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1327[08:46:43] <jackcom> nevyn: anyway driftnet can get image from windows only?
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1329[08:49:25] <Shawn> how can i check if a package is manually installed or auto?
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1337[08:54:51] <Shawn> or why a package was automatically installed
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1340[08:56:57] <alien1it> Hello...ciao a tutti and good sunday. -:)
1341[08:58:10] <Shawn> ah! apt-get install --reinstall doesnt change it from automatically installed to manually installed
1342[08:58:32] <jmcnaught> Shawn: in aptitude search results if there is an "A" in the second column (after the 'i') it was automatically installed. "apt-mark showauto" will list automatically installed packages. "aptitude why package" will try to tell you why a package was installed
1343[08:58:34] <Shawn> i was afraid it would but it doesnt, \o/
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1346[08:59:09] <Shawn> jmcnaught: thansk
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1368[09:13:28] <Shawn> uh i give up
1369[09:13:33] <Shawn> reinstalling, lol
1370[09:13:39] <nevyn> jackcom: no.
1371[09:13:50] <jackcom> :(
1372[09:13:55] <jackcom> what you mean? nevyn ?
1373[09:14:02] <nevyn> jackcom: it incercepts network traffic and decodes images
1374[09:14:15] <jackcom> from all user?
1375[09:14:21] <nevyn> jackcom: it doesn't matter what the target is running if your on the same segment
1376[09:14:33] <jackcom> same network?
1377[09:14:48] <nevyn> so what's the problem you want to solve?
1378[09:15:05] <jackcom> strange, i can get image from windows instead of mac
1379[09:15:11] <jackcom> it is true?
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1384[09:21:06] <Lope> what python package should I install to get basic python functionality? "python no such file or directory." trying to use NVM (node version manager)
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1386[09:21:25] <Ouroboros> have you tried 'python'
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1390[09:24:07] <Lope> thanks :)
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1394[09:24:16] <Lope> gtr
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1410[09:30:58] <Antares^> hello everyone! :D I'm back :D
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1412[09:31:19] <Antares^> I have a small issue here, hope anyone will be willing to help me out...here goes:
1413[09:31:29] <Antares^> I am using Debian Jessie 64-bit, originally installed with xfce4 DE ... I have just installed gnome3 to give it a try and I have noticed that changing the volume in the applet in the panel does not affect the actual volume of the sound.
1414[09:31:55] <Antares^> I am using ALSA
1415[09:32:02] <Antares^> changing the volume with alsamixer works fine
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1417[09:32:43] <Antares^> I have also made keyboard shortcuts so I can use my "keyboard special keys" to change the volume in alsamixer
1418[09:32:59] <Antares^> but i can not find a way to have the panel applet control alsamixer volumes
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1423[09:35:09] <Antares^> anyone?
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1427[09:36:05] <jmcnaught> Antares^: are you using pulseaudio? have you tried adjusting volume with pavucontrol?
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1430[09:36:44] <Antares^> I've said I'm using ALSA .. i don't like the buggy pulseaudio
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1432[09:37:04] <Antares^> cause I was also doing some audio recording and mixing a while ago
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1434[09:37:12] <Antares^> and pulseaudio gave me a lot of problems
1435[09:37:22] <Antares^> so I switched to alsa and got everything sorted out
1436[09:37:53] <Antares^> When I was using xfce4, I could normally control the volumes on alsamixer through the xfce4 volume-applet in the panel
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1439[09:38:17] <Antares^> now with gnome, it seems to control pulseaudio mixer and not alsa (I don't know how to set it to work with alsamixer)
1440[09:38:22] <jmcnaught> pulseaudio works on top of alsa, with pulseaudio you can still adjust volume using alsa
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1442[09:38:47] <suh_dude_> What tool can I use to generate random passwords?
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1444[09:38:58] <suh_dude_> Keepassx?
1445[09:39:13] <Antares^> jmcnaught, yes, but I do not want to install all that pulseaudio crap again ;D
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1447[09:39:23] <jmcnaught> suh_dude_: sure, i use that. there's also a package called apg
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1451[09:39:42] <Antares^> reading on forums on the web it seems there is no other way though...
1452[09:39:58] <jmcnaught> Antares^: i haven't had any problems with pulseaudio in years. in my experience removing pulseaudio causes more problems than it fixes
1453[09:40:05] <Antares^> So I guess i'll have to switch back to xfce4 ... it's a shame...i kind of like the looks of gnome better
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1456[09:40:30] <suh_dude_> jmcnaught: Thanks! You're really great! ;)
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1458[09:41:02] <Antares^> jmcnaught, well in my experience EVERY sound issue I had were gone + issues using multiple audio interfaces working together
1459[09:41:10] <Antares^> once I removed pulse and installed only alsa
1460[09:41:19] <nevyn> 'install alsa'
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1462[09:41:31] <nevyn> is a nonsense please stop saying this.
1463[09:41:35] <Antares^> nevyn, I'm deeply sorry
1464[09:41:39] <Antares^> for not being l33t
1465[09:41:54] <Antares^> I am a rather new debian user...
1466[09:42:05] <Antares^> If I knew these things I wouldn't be asking for help here
1467[09:42:53] <Antares^> And If your smart ass does not want to help, you should just keep those kind of comments to yourself... I did not "install" alsa ... but did install a bunch of tools for managing alsa
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1470[09:43:17] <nevyn> so part of the issue is alsa is like 4 things
1471[09:43:26] <Antares^> nah
1472[09:43:30] <Antares^> alsa is not part of the issue
1473[09:43:31] <nevyn> Kernel drivers (the ones that pulse and everything use)
1474[09:43:32] <Antares^> it's gnome
1475[09:43:44] <Antares^> when using xfce4
1476[09:43:48] <Antares^> everything works flawlessly
1477[09:43:52] <nevyn> an api for applications to make sound
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1479[09:44:25] <Antares^> And i'm kind of frustrated cause I don't really understand how these things actually work
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1481[09:44:36] <nevyn> a set of libraries for doing all sorts of audio conversion.
1482[09:44:58] <Antares^> The problem really is only in the graphical volume control in the top panel of gnome...you know the 2 controls (output/input volume)
1483[09:44:59] <nevyn> the problem is that set of libraries is reasonably static. and can't deal with a number of modern use cases.
1484[09:45:05] <Antares^> I did manage to set keyboard shortcuts
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1486[09:45:12] <Antares^> to change my volume in alsamixer
1487[09:45:15] <nevyn> for me. it was switching to bluetooth headset and back)
1488[09:45:18] <Antares^> and using alsamixer from the terminal works fine
1489[09:45:56] <Antares^> So I do not have any sound issues whatsoever
1490[09:45:58] <nevyn> pulseaudio really does solve that use case far better than tricks with switching .asoundrc files and restarting apps
1491[09:46:05] <Antares^> My sound works perfectly
1492[09:46:38] <nevyn> so what's the problem?
1493[09:47:10] <Antares^> I tend to switch from my PCI 7.1 audio to HDMI cable on my TV ... and did a small script to change some values for device numbers in a file and auto-restart the alsa
1494[09:47:13] <Antares^> works ok
1495[09:47:21] <Antares^> the problem is that I want to be able to control the volume
1496[09:47:24] <Antares^> from the panel also
1497[09:47:34] <Antares^> not just by pressing "special keys" on my keyboard
1498[09:47:39] <Antares^> or by accessing alsamixer everytime
1499[09:47:43] <Antares^> I want to change the volume
1500[09:48:06] <cvr> Antares^: install an application that sits in the tray to control the volume
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1502[09:48:08] <Antares^> But with my mouse
1503[09:48:17] <Antares^> cvr such as?
1504[09:48:30] <suh_dude_> Jesus Christ
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1506[09:48:40] <suh_dude_> It ain't easy to wipe sticks with Disks
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1509[09:48:48] <suh_dude_> Hopefully Gparted will do the trick
1510[09:48:49] <Antares^> Also another question for gnome users...I have noticed a "tray-like-panel" in the bottom left corner of my screen
1511[09:48:58] <Antares^> would this applet sit there
1512[09:49:00] <suh_dude_> Trying to do format sticks into an encrypted ext4 right here
1513[09:49:08] <Antares^> or in the top right corner like the network manager
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1515[09:49:22] <nevyn> Antares^: Index numbers arn't reliable use the cardnames
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1517[09:49:55] <Antares^> nevyn, it's like .... sometimes my HDMI takes card 0 - device 3 ...sometimes card 1 - device 3 ...
1518[09:50:01] <nevyn> right
1519[09:50:06] <Antares^> and the PCI card is 0, device 0
1520[09:50:08] <nevyn> Antares^: don't do that.
1521[09:50:09] <cvr> Antares^: apt-cache search alsa tray returns a few results
1522[09:50:13] <Antares^> or card 1, device 0
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1524[09:50:16] <nevyn> Antares^: use the name
1525[09:50:27] <nevyn> so cat /proc/asound/cards
1526[09:50:30] <Antares^> nevyn, i don't know how to ;D i just edit this file and works ok
1527[09:50:35] <nevyn> the bit inside the [] is the name
1528[09:50:50] <nevyn> you can use it in alsa configuration anywhere you use an index
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1530[09:52:14] <Antares^> hmm
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1532[09:52:23] <Antares^> so actually what's the difference?
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1534[09:52:44] <nevyn> it's not random on reboot
1535[09:52:45] <Antares^> I think the enumeration issue is caused by the TV being ON when booting into the system
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1537[09:52:53] <Antares^> or OFF
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1539[09:52:56] <nevyn> it's not an enum issue
1540[09:52:58] <Antares^> or is it always random?
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1542[09:53:17] <Antares^> don't take me literally please
1543[09:53:17] <Antares^> :D
1544[09:53:19] <nevyn> so yes if the device is there will make the difference
1545[09:53:21] <Antares^> U know what i mean
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1548[09:53:45] <Antares^> So having the TV on or off does make the difference
1549[09:53:52] <Antares^> and the "order" of the devices
1550[09:53:53] <nevyn> but.. also if you have a usb headset or a camera with mic or anything else
1551[09:54:01] <nevyn> using the names is much more resilliant
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1553[09:54:10] <suh_dude_> Hi!
1554[09:54:13] <Antares^> I also have a USB recording card
1555[09:54:23] <Antares^> but it always sits on number 3
1556[09:54:27] <Antares^> card 3
1557[09:54:34] <Antares^> never seen it on 0 or 1
1558[09:54:34] <suh_dude_> Jesus I can't format a stick to an encrypted + ext4 via Disks
1559[09:54:35] <nevyn> magic 'only boot this system with the usb card not plugged in and the tv off' is crazy
1560[09:54:37] <suh_dude_> I get this error
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1562[09:54:43] <nevyn> Antares^: there's reasons
1563[09:54:44] <Antares^> suh_dude_, gparted?
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1565[09:55:04] <Antares^> nevyn, and I do also have a webcam with integrated mic, but rarely use it
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1567[09:55:10] <Antares^> it's not plugged in atm
1568[09:55:25] <nevyn> Antares^: the point is.
1569[09:55:26] <jmcnaught> pulseaudio lets you select output devices, and it's also a dependency of gnome-core
1570[09:55:26] <suh_dude_> replaced-url
1571[09:55:32] <suh_dude_> Help? :(
1572[09:55:43] <nevyn> so that's how I solve this class of problems
1573[09:55:48] <Antares^> jmcnaught, I know, I have used pulseaudio before
1574[09:55:55] <Antares^> and I loved the switching from one card to another
1575[09:55:58] <Antares^> it was easy
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1577[09:56:05] <nevyn> so what was the problem
1578[09:56:11] <Antares^> But when it comes to recording and mixing audio
1579[09:56:15] <Antares^> it's BUGGY
1580[09:56:20] <nevyn> ah
1581[09:56:27] <nevyn> it's not the creature you want for that.
1582[09:56:30] <nevyn> you want jack.
1583[09:56:33] <Antares^> the sound flickers, I hear statics....I had to resolve so many issues
1584[09:56:43] <Antares^> that I just switched to alsa instead
1585[09:56:47] <nevyn> what's the usb card?
1586[09:56:49] <Antares^> giving me NO issues whatsoever
1587[09:57:08] <nevyn> ah. so baby bathwater all gone
1588[09:57:20] <Antares^> It's an m-audio fasttrack
1589[09:57:22] * nevyn has a m-audio fasttrack ultra..
1590[09:57:28] <Antares^> pro
1591[09:57:40] <nevyn> it's a bit old but.. it still does 8ch in/out 96kHz
1592[09:57:48] <Antares^> yeah it's cool
1593[09:57:56] <Antares^> It also has a MIDI-in
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1595[09:58:03] <Antares^> for my REALLY OLDSCHOOL synth
1596[09:58:04] <Antares^> ;D
1597[09:58:15] * nevyn has a couple of synths..
1598[09:58:20] <Antares^> I couldn't believe the synth had a midi output
1599[09:58:27] <nevyn> A shruthi-1 and a k5000s
1600[09:58:34] <Antares^> I used to use my computer keyboard as a midi controller for years
1601[09:58:44] <Antares^> didn't even know the prehistoric synth had midi output :D
1602[09:58:55] <Antares^> It's a Yamaha though...not that bad
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1605[09:59:01] <Antares^> been expensive back in the days
1606[09:59:10] <nevyn> k5000s has a lovely feel...
1607[09:59:19] <Antares^> It also has some sampler tabs
1608[09:59:20] <Antares^> for drums
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1610[09:59:21] <nevyn> so how I do this...
1611[09:59:31] <nevyn> is I always run pulse for desktop audio.
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1614[09:59:42] <suh_dude_> jmcnaught: Can you help me?
1615[09:59:46] <suh_dude_> You saw my last issue?
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1617[10:00:03] <Antares^> nevyn, another problem is that I've installed/uninstalled pulse/alsa/tools/config so many times
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1619[10:00:13] <Antares^> that I'm amazed anything works
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1625[10:00:46] <Antares^> I need to change my HDD anyway so I'll do a new install of the OS and try to set up these things right away
1626[10:01:12] <nevyn> and if I want to do audio stuff I fire up jackd
1627[10:01:20] <nevyn> then cross connect pulse to jack and jack to pulse
1628[10:01:34] <nevyn> (works best if pulse and jack agree on the samplerate)
1629[10:02:14] <jmcnaught> suh_dude_: making an encrypted usb stick in the gnome disks utility? i don't know, it's worked for me in the past but i probably haven't done it since wheezy. if it gives you an error, try a web search and if you can't figure it out, paste the error here (use a paste site if it's more than a couple of lines)
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1631[10:03:55] <nevyn> Antares^: this works for me
1632[10:04:02] <suh_dude_> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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1634[10:04:42] <nevyn> Antares^: my weapon of choice is ardour for mixing/recording
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1637[10:06:05] <Antares^> mine also
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1640[10:06:30] <Antares^> I'm also tried to use LMMS for some time...but it just randomly crashes
1641[10:06:44] <Antares^> which got me almost the point of throwing my computer out of the window
1642[10:06:56] <Antares^> (and I live high up in the building) ;D
1643[10:07:09] <Antares^> I've* (not I'm)
1644[10:07:39] <nevyn> I prefer jack + ardour rather than direct alsa drivers.
1645[10:07:50] <Antares^> I used to do that also
1646[10:07:53] <nevyn> it means you've got a lot more flexibility
1647[10:07:55] <Antares^> before formatting my computer
1648[10:08:01] <Antares^> then I wanted to try a different approach
1649[10:08:07] <Antares^> cause sometimes turning off JACK
1650[10:08:19] <Antares^> gave me some problems with re-enabling the desktop sound
1651[10:08:23] <nevyn> so I don't run jack unless I'm doing 'audio' stuff
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1653[10:08:32] <nevyn> and I always always run pusle
1654[10:08:34] <nevyn> pulse
1655[10:08:46] <Antares^> OK, thanks for your help
1656[10:09:04] <Antares^> and sorry for not choosing the correct words when asking a question ;D
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1659[10:09:14] <jmcnaught> suh_dude_: sorry, it's not clear to me what's going wrong except maybe a problem with the disk. did you try using disks to format it first. i'm getting kinda tired. maybe try to find a guide on using the CLI to do it
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1661[10:09:21] <Antares^> nevyn, btw. Do you have any experience with the new gnome DE?
1662[10:09:43] <Antares^> I really got used to xfce too much
1663[10:09:52] <Antares^> things changed a lot since I was on gnome de
1664[10:09:55] * nevyn has been a kde guy kinda forever...
1665[10:10:07] <Antares^> ;)
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1669[10:10:32] <Antares^> There is a small tray in the bottom left part of my screen
1670[10:10:37] <Antares^> I really want to get rid of that
1671[10:10:37] <Antares^> :D
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1674[10:11:53] <Antares^> I want those icons that appear there (x-chat, VLC) to appear in the top panel alongside the network manager, logout and language bar
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1677[10:12:09] <Antares^> is that possible?
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1682[10:12:59] <nevyn> what happens if you rightclick on it?
1683[10:13:13] <Antares^> Installing gnome-tweak-tool could be a good idea for a start :D
1684[10:13:17] <Antares^> nevyn, nothing
1685[10:13:22] <Antares^> does not respond to right-click
1686[10:13:43] <jmcnaught> Antares^: you'll find that gnome isn't very flexible like that. there are several "gnome-shell-extension-*" packages, and also replaced-url
1687[10:13:45] <nevyn> it sounds like a extra panel?
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1690[10:14:18] <jmcnaught> Antares^: i think what you're talkng about is gnome's message area. does it toggle with super+m ?
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1694[10:15:06] <Antares^> nevyn, yes it's an autohide small panel on the bottom-left corner of the screen
1695[10:15:15] <Antares^> when hovering over it with the mouse it extends out
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1697[10:15:24] <Antares^> showing me "tray" icons
1698[10:15:45] <Antares^> jmcnaught, no it's not that
1699[10:16:20] <jmcnaught> Antares^: are you in wheezy?
1700[10:16:46] <Antares^> not sure ;D jessie is what I installed
1701[10:16:48] <Antares^> a while ago
1702[10:16:55] <Antares^> wait
1703[10:17:00] <Antares^> i'll show you a ss
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1706[10:17:33] <Antares^> replaced-url
1707[10:17:36] <Antares^> here
1708[10:17:43] <Antares^> you can see the bottom-left part of the screen
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1721[10:22:04] <jmcnaught> Antares^: i use gnome, i don't have a thing like that
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1723[10:22:46] <Antares^> I did a new install ...
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1726[10:24:22] <Antares^> and adding extensions through iceweasel does not work :/
1727[10:24:26] <Antares^> grrr
1728[10:24:46] <Antares^> it seems I will just have to go back to good old xfce4
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1731[10:25:25] <jmcnaught> Antares^: there's an iceweasel plugin that handles that, maybe you have it disabled or blocked by an add-on
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1735[10:26:17] <jmcnaught> Antares^: replaced-url
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1739[10:26:56] <tr0n> super? never heard of that key
1740[10:27:21] <jmcnaught> tr0n: windows key.
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1742[10:27:47] <Antares^> jmcnaught, it has asked me to allow the plugin which I have...
1743[10:27:51] <Antares^> still doesn't work
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1746[10:28:22] <Antares^> I can see the sliders (ON/OFF) but switching them makes nothing happen
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1748[10:29:25] <jmcnaught> Antares^: if you turn this on it doesn't give you a modal dialog asking if you want to install it? replaced-url
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1753[10:32:01] <jmcnaught> Antares^: my guess about your systray in the bottom left is possibly an extension enabled in tweak tool, or something else that is autostarting with your X session
1754[10:32:18] <Antares^> yes
1755[10:32:23] <Antares^> but in the tweak tool
1756[10:32:28] <Antares^> there is NO extension showed as installed
1757[10:32:54] <Antares^> I have turned the slider to ON
1758[10:33:06] <Antares^> and it does not open any installation dialog
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1760[10:33:22] <Antares^> maybe I forgot to install some aditional tools?
1761[10:33:30] <Antares^> I just did apt-get install gnome-session
1762[10:33:34] <Antares^> to get the DE
1763[10:33:39] <Antares^> Was that a mistake? :P
1764[10:33:47] <Antares^> should I have added some other stuff also?
1765[10:34:00] <jmcnaught> Antares^: do you have anything listed startup applications in tweak tool, or anything in .xinitrc or .xsession (i don't used these at all, not sure how relevant they are anymore)
1766[10:34:15] <jmcnaught> Antares^: do you have gnome-core installed?
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1768[10:34:37] <jmcnaught> !install gnome
1769[10:34:37] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. replaced-url
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1773[10:35:49] <jmcnaught> Antares^: installing gnome-session is probably not recommended because stuff that people expect to work in gnome is missing
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1775[10:36:03] <jmcnaught> *just gnome-session
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1780[10:36:51] <freesu> hello. why not debian jessie recognize my password while using sudo ?
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1783[10:37:13] <freesu> I've added myusername to sudo group and also changed to sodoers file.
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1785[10:37:25] <freesu> but still, it says sorry, wrong password
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1787[10:37:30] <freesu> I'm sure it's true
1788[10:37:34] <AimHere> You are using *your* password, and not the root password, aren't you?
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1790[10:37:48] <Antares^> jmcnaught, I do not want all those applications that come with gnome also installed
1791[10:37:49] <freesu> AimHere: I'm using root password
1792[10:37:56] <Antares^> I just want the DE and the functionalities
1793[10:37:57] <AimHere> Use your password
1794[10:37:59] <freesu> I did this: replaced-url
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1796[10:38:15] <Antares^> jmcnaught, what do you suggest I install apart from gnome-session ?
1797[10:38:19] <jmcnaught> Antares^: did you see #3 in the factoid above, about gnome-core?
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1799[10:38:30] <freesu> ohhhh AimHere thanks!!
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1801[10:38:42] <AimHere> You're welcome
1802[10:38:43] <Antares^> you mean #4
1803[10:38:46] <Antares^> ?
1804[10:38:54] <Antares^> ohh
1805[10:39:06] <Antares^> Now I see...so should I go ahead and install gnome-core ?
1806[10:39:12] <freesu> umm, what's the name of default dock on debian 8 xfce?
1807[10:39:15] <jmcnaught> Antares^: oh yeah, #4.
1808[10:39:16] <freesu> I want to remove it.
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1810[10:39:58] <Antares^> jmcnaught, OK, gonna install it right a way
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1812[10:40:42] <Antares^> hope my computer does not break
1813[10:40:44] <Antares^> ;DD joke
1814[10:40:49] <jmcnaught> Antares^: i've found the secret to gnome bliss is to accept the defaults and learn to appreciate the choices made for me. i have one or two extensions for monitoring sensors temperature
1815[10:41:02] <jmcnaught> Antares^: gnome-core will install pulseaudio by the way
1816[10:41:02] <Antares^> cool
1817[10:41:07] <Antares^> noooooooooooooooo
1818[10:41:12] <Antares^> ://
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1821[10:41:19] <Antares^> should have told it earlier
1822[10:41:24] <Antares^> I already started the installation
1823[10:41:27] <nevyn> just use pasuspender
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1825[10:41:37] <nevyn> to release the device.
1826[10:41:41] <jmcnaught> Antares^: don't use read the list of packages it will install before saying yes?
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1828[10:41:48] <nevyn> ``
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1832[10:42:07] <Antares^> jmcnaught, no by default if there only 1 thing installing it does not ask you for anything
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1834[10:42:23] <Antares^> shit
1835[10:42:32] <Antares^> now my audio configuration is gonna go to hell
1836[10:42:53] <Antares^> back to pulseaudio issues and nervous breakdowns... yeey
1837[10:42:57] <jmcnaught> Antares^: gnome-core is a meta-package that will pull in other things. if it's going to install pulseaudio, it asked you and you said yes (or you use -y for some reason)
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1839[10:43:13] <Antares^> I did not
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1843[10:43:43] <Antares^> I just typed in apt-get install gnome-core
1844[10:43:49] <Antares^> and it started to install everything
1845[10:43:50] <Antares^> on it's own
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1848[10:44:47] <jmcnaught> Antares^: i would kinda like to see a paste of that
1849[10:45:01] <Antares^> ok it's done... gonna restart my computer now
1850[10:45:15] <Antares^> jmcnaught, If i would do like apt-get install gnome-core gnome-whatever
1851[10:45:19] <Antares^> it would ask me
1852[10:45:23] <Antares^> if I install only 1 thing
1853[10:45:28] <Antares^> it never asks me for confirmation
1854[10:45:42] <Antares^> just installs all what comes with it
1855[10:45:44] <Antares^> automatically
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1857[10:46:04] <Antares^> brb
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1874[10:50:00] <debtest7> How i can find a free subnet with nmap ?
1875[10:50:12] <debtest7> I mean, i would like to assign a random one not took by other machines
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1885[10:52:52] <Antares^> hello, I'm back
1886[10:53:04] <Antares^> The installation of gnome-core uninstalled x-chat ? :/
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1888[10:53:45] <jmcnaught> Antares^: do you have something like 'APT::Get::Assume-Yes "true";' in /etc/apt/apt.conf or a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d ?
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1890[10:54:16] <Antares^> I don't know and I don't care ATM...cause the thing already went through
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1893[10:54:49] <Antares^> guess what...
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1896[10:54:54] <Antares^> my sound does not work anymore
1897[10:54:57] <Antares^> thanks a lot man ;D
1898[10:55:25] <jmcnaught> Antares^: well, if you have configured apt to not prompt when installing packages, stuff like this can happen
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1900[10:55:40] <Antares^> I did no such thing
1901[10:55:44] <Antares^> as configure my APT
1902[10:55:44] <Antares^> ever
1903[10:55:53] <Antares^> it's by default
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1907[10:56:50] <Antares^> OK
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1910[10:56:57] <Antares^> I think I solved the sound issue
1911[10:57:00] <Antares^> let's give it a test
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1916[10:58:29] <Antares^> ok
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1918[10:58:36] <Antares^> Pulseaudio is working ... for now :D
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1920[10:59:05] <Ouroboros> so you finally got the thing that you didnt want in the first place working? congrats, i guess :)
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1922[10:59:18] <Antares^> nah
1923[10:59:31] <Antares^> I had no problems with pulseaudio when it comes to desktop sound
1924[10:59:47] <Antares^> I had issues with it when using audio-recording and mixing software
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1926[11:00:06] <Antares^> and switching from my HDMI TV audio back to my 7.1 surround PCI card
1927[11:00:17] <Antares^> Ouroboros, thanks anyway though ;)
1928[11:00:25] <Antares^> At least I can change the volume from the applet now...
1929[11:00:44] <Antares^> But I am still stuck with that strange looking system tray on the bottom left of my screen
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1931[11:01:50] <jmcnaught> Antares^: if i were you i'd look into why apt-get's not doing the default behaviour of asking confirmation when it needs to install more packages than listed in the command line, but it's your system
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1936[11:02:57] <Antares^> jmcnaught, could you tell me once more where are these settings located?
1937[11:03:02] <Antares^> so I go and take a look
1938[11:03:17] <Antares^> And I think I found a solution to the bottom-left tray panel
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1940[11:03:29] <Antares^> Installing an extension which moves the tray in the top panel
1941[11:03:30] <jmcnaught> Antares^: look in /etc/apt/apt.conf and the files in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
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1943[11:04:22] <Antares^> i don't have a apt.conf file to begin with
1944[11:04:27] <nevyn> Antares^: pulse may need some config tweaks to work well for 7.1
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1946[11:04:56] <jmcnaught> something like 'alias apt-get="apt-get -y"' in your .bashrc or .profile would probably do this too
1947[11:05:00] <Antares^> nevyn, for now it works...untill I start to use my studio gear...it should do fine
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1950[11:06:15] <Antares^> jmcnaught, nop
1951[11:06:19] <Antares^> nothing like that
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1953[11:06:31] <Antares^> checked all the files
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1956[11:06:57] <Antares^> But I am telling you...when I want to install more than 1 thing at once...it DOES ask me
1957[11:07:06] <Antares^> when I install just one thing...no asking, just installing
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1959[11:07:20] <Antares^> when i do upgrade it also asks me
1960[11:07:30] <jmcnaught> Antares^: the default behaviour of apt-get is to ask if it needs to install more than what was specified in the command
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1963[11:08:42] <jmcnaught> Antares^: if you only list one package, and it only installs one package, it will not prompt. if you ask to install 15 packages, and it only needs to install 15, it will not prompt. If some of those packages pull in other dependencies, it is supposed to ask (but you can disable this)
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1968[11:10:34] <jmcnaught> Antares^: so "grep -iR yes /etc/apt" returns nothing?
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1972[11:12:47] <jmcnaught> Antares^: also i have gnome-core installed, and i can install xchat without a problem, so it's not clear to me why installing gnome-core would have removed xchat (again without confirmation, something is not stock here)
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1979[11:16:28] <Antares^> I did not say I cannot install xchat
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1981[11:16:42] <Antares^> I'm saying that installing gnome-core deleted my pre-installed xchat ;D
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1983[11:17:20] <Antares^> jmcnaught, You know...you might be right and it's just that I don't remember pressing "Y" after issuing the command for installing gnome-core
1984[11:17:20] <Antares^> :P
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1986[11:17:52] <Antares^> Now I have installed hexchat which is better imho than xchat
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1988[11:18:07] <Antares^> Although irssi is the best :P
1989[11:18:14] <jmcnaught> Antares^: so like.. next time read what it's going to do before you answer yes and get upset about it
1990[11:18:55] <Antares^> U mean, next time don't go blindly trust anyone giving you advice on the internet? :P
1991[11:19:20] <jmcnaught> Antares^: that too, but software generally prompts for a reason
1992[11:19:29] <Antares^> jmcnaught, I am not that big of a noob...i can fix the majority of problems on my own
1993[11:19:38] <Antares^> so no big deal
1994[11:19:48] <Antares^> about installing pulse and removing xchat
1995[11:19:55] <Antares^> it was just a curiosity
1996[11:20:16] <jmcnaught> Antares^: i'm not suggesting you're a noob, but i think apt-get installing/removing stuff without confirmation is a serious enough issue that it warrants investigating
1997[11:20:32] <Antares^> Well by saying "read before you accept" ;D
1998[11:20:55] <jmcnaught> Antares^: i don't see the word noob in that phrase
1999[11:20:58] <Antares^> But I can't find
2000[11:21:06] <Antares^> the setting anywhere
2001[11:21:49] <jmcnaught> Antares^: anyways, if installing gnome-core removes xchat, then installing xchat would remove gnome-core. it's pretty strange. if you want to figure it out you could look for clues in /var/log/apt, but i'm losing interest
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2003[11:22:04] <Antares^> jmcnaught, "you should rly go to the gym" is the same as saying "you look fat" to me
2004[11:22:05] <Antares^> :D
2005[11:22:30] <Antares^> don't get upset now
2006[11:22:34] <Antares^> I'm just joking around a bit :P
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2008[11:22:45] <Antares^> sensitive guy :P
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2011[11:23:00] <jmcnaught> Antares^: you did kinda spaz about it installing pulseaudio without asking when it turns out you said yes
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2016[11:23:24] <jmcnaught> Antares^: i'm just looking out for the health of your system here
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2020[11:24:52] <random> hi guys I am running deb sid with gnome-shell 3.18.1 and I see a high cpu usage straight after boot (like 30-40%)
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2069[11:45:11] <markybob> TomTomTosch: are you schizophrenic? ;)
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2072[11:46:16] <TomTomTosch> markybob, blame my isp, my client resets the nick when my connection drops D:
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2076[11:49:02] <swing7> qq
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2099[12:03:20] <Antares^> jmcnaught, I'm sorry ;)
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2101[12:04:11] <Antares^> jmcnaught, I didn't say I answerd with "yes"... I said I don't remember if I did or not ;D
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2110[12:06:33] <Antares^> jmcnaught, Cause when u emphasized the fact that I did not answer any question when apt-get install so much, it made me think.... maybe I automatically hit the "y" ... i don't rmb ;D Anyway...I'm sorry about that..it's in the past, let's forget about it ;)
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2121[12:10:38] <jmcnaught> Antares^: don't worry about it
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2127[12:13:40] <Antares^> (still trying to get rid of the annoying tray) ;D
2128[12:15:00] <jmcnaught> Antares^: does it show even when you have that topicons extension (or did you not get that working, can't remember)
2129[12:15:19] <Antares^> getting it now
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2131[12:15:58] <Antares^> good, a dialog has appeared this time
2132[12:16:12] <Antares^> yeeey
2133[12:16:15] <Antares^> it's gone!
2134[12:16:15] <Antares^> :D
2135[12:16:31] <Antares^> and the icons went up to top-right corner
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2138[12:17:35] <jmcnaught> for me they've always been in the bottom right
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2142[12:19:41] <jubo2> I'm having an issue with GNU MediaGoblin installation
2143[12:19:42] <jubo2> replaced-url
2144[12:19:45] <Antares^> :)
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2147[12:21:01] <jubo2> Something called "NPM" wants to fetch som .js from the Internets (the resource is there replaced-url
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2152[12:21:34] <jubo2> But NPM "cannot fetch" it because Holy Atheismo only knows why
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2155[12:22:09] <jubo2> it does look like the error message is lying
2156[12:22:12] <jubo2> to my eyes
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2158[12:22:23] <jubo2> but could be just really weird bona fide bug too
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2163[12:23:38] <jubo2> I was following these instructions replaced-url
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2172[12:26:48] <jmcnaught> jubo2: #mediagoblin might be a better place to ask. it looks to me like you have npm installed in /usr/local.. did you also install node.js from source? You could try removing that and using the debian packages for node.js (as long as it's just using node for compiling stuff or whatever people use it for... the nodejs package in jessie isn't covered by security)
2173[12:27:07] <tlund> version 4.0~bpo8+1 of linux-base just showed up in jessie-backports, pulling in a large amount of backport-packages. does anyone know if this was done on purpose? where can I read more?
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2176[12:28:17] <cisc0> hello
2177[12:29:55] <jubo2> jmcnaught: the node.js is what is there from the diaspora* install
2178[12:30:05] <jubo2> that was the first primary reason for this server
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2181[12:30:25] <jubo2> I check 'aptitude show node.js'
2182[12:30:44] <jmcnaught> jubo2: my guess would be that it's not installed properly or needs to be updated, but i have pretty limited experience with node.js
2183[12:30:46] <cygnusx1> NPM is the the node.js package manager
2184[12:31:03] <cygnusx1> you use it to add packages to node.js
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2186[12:31:12] <cygnusx1> like ruby has gems
2187[12:32:24] <jubo2> aptitude show nodejs says it has been automatically installed
2188[12:32:32] <jmcnaught> jubo2: the debian package is called nodejs, but it's mentioned in the jessie release notes as not covered by the security team. if you installed it from source, you probably should look into upgrading it for the sake of security
2189[12:32:57] <jelly> tlund: I don't see absolutely anything pulled in if I try to install it. replaced-url
2190[12:33:07] <cygnusx1> ive used npm before...to download evilscan(which doesnt work)
2191[12:33:15] <jmcnaught> jubo2: if you have nodejs/npm in /usr/local and aptitude says it's installed, you have two of them. maybe they're conflicting with each other.
2192[12:33:40] <jubo2> I 'which nodejs'
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2194[12:34:08] <jubo2> /usr/bin/nodejs
2195[12:34:39] <jmcnaught> jubo2: "which node" (it's called node upstream, debian renamed it to nodejs because a different package had dibs on node)
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2197[12:35:08] <jmcnaught> jubo2: also just look at the paths in that github issue you linked (which i assume is yours)
2198[12:35:22] <jubo2> jmcnaught: is mine
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2200[12:35:53] <jubo2> 'which node' : /usr/local/bin/node
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2202[12:36:14] <jubo2> so I have 2 node.js implementations is causing the muckus
2203[12:36:27] <tlund> jelly: true, it was not actually dependencies from linux-base, that was just a bad assumption on my part. here is the result of a dist-upgrade on my machine: replaced-url
2204[12:36:35] <jmcnaught> jubo2: maybe not causing this problem, but probably causing problems somewhere
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2207[12:37:11] <jubo2> jmcnaught: do you have recommendations?
2208[12:37:26] <tlund> jelly: lots of packages suddenly getting backport versions
2209[12:37:31] <jelly> tlund: what's the actual command you ran?
2210[12:37:42] <tlund> jelly: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
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2213[12:38:03] <taylorbyte> i have just tested xen-hypervisor-4.6-amd64 ftom testing and it boots. but xen-hypervisor-4.4-amd64 from stable gives me a black screen and locks up, waiting for a PCI-e serial adapter to arrive in the mail to do more troubleshooting, anyone else have any similar problems?
2214[12:38:31] <jelly> tlund: add the output of "apt-cache policy" and, say, "apt-cache policy tmux dmidecode"
2215[12:39:01] <jelly> tlund: at least some look like dependencies, but some definitely do not
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2220[12:40:05] <tlund> jelly: could not comment on previous paste, had to make a new one: replaced-url
2221[12:40:24] <jmcnaught> jubo2: pick which nodejs you want to keep, get rid of the other one. if you keep the /usr/local one, make sure it's up to date. ask in #mediagoblin. maybe install bower? personally i don't like installing stuff from source unless it's contained somehow
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2226[12:41:28] <dirkx_> Hmm - I have a “/dev/mem” that has a fairly open set of permissions: “crw-rw---- 1 user gpio 1, 1 Mar 20 11:28 /dev/mem”; yet the user ‘user’ (or any one a member of ‘gpio’) get a `open("/dev/mem", O_RDWR|O_SYNC) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted)’.
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2229[12:41:59] <dirkx_> Only root seems to be able to acess this device (it is a python script jiggling the GPIO on a Rasberry Pi (jessie).
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2231[12:42:20] <jelly> tlund: that's weird, you shouldn't have a version from jessie-backports as a Candidate
2232[12:42:24] <jubo2> jmcnaught: I see. This server is snapshottable
2233[12:42:40] <tlund> jelly: this is true on more than one machine, just checked others.
2234[12:42:47] <jmcnaught> tlund: it's strange that your jessie-backports is 500, it defaults to 100
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2236[12:43:15] <jelly> tlund: lemme reset my pinning and Default-Release to defaults, see if I can reproduce this
2237[12:43:26] <jubo2> jmcnaught: how do I check which one the diaspora* pod is using
2238[12:43:41] <jubo2> .. of the node.js implementations
2239[12:43:46] <tlund> just checked with "grep -Ri jessie-backports /etc" and it is only in sources.list, no pinning or anything.
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2241[12:43:53] <jmcnaught> jubo2: poke at diaspora
2242[12:44:11] <jubo2> I not the texiest person alive
2243[12:44:29] <jubo2> Just to poke doesn't quite translate..
2244[12:44:36] <tlund> wait. why would it default to 100 instead of 500 without pinning?
2245[12:44:54] <tlund> anything i just add to sources.list gets 500, doesn't it?
2246[12:44:56] <jubo2> I ask in #diaspora
2247[12:45:38] <jmcnaught> tlund: see this is my apt-cache policy: replaced-url
2248[12:46:07] <tlund> jmcnaught: why did it get 100?
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2251[12:46:26] <tlund> my sources.list: replaced-url
2252[12:46:46] <jelly> tlund: grep -H Automatic /var/lib/apt/lists/*jessie-backports*Release*
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2255[12:47:14] <themill> tlund: can you also pastebin your apt.conf, apt.conf.d/* preferences preferences.d/* files?
2256[12:48:29] <themill> (something like «head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/apt.conf{,.d/*} /etc/apt/preferences{,.d/*}»)
2257[12:48:36] <jelly> there wasn't anything obviously wrong or pointing to existence of pinning in policy output
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2263[12:50:10] <jelly> make that "jelly didn't notice anything wrong"
2264[12:50:24] <themill> «500 replaced-url
2265[12:50:28] <jelly> nod
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2268[12:51:46] <jmcnaught> jubo2: sorry i don't know, diaspora is probably something else you installed from source. chances are it uses the one in /usr/local, unless you did something to help it find the debian-renamed nodejs binary.
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2270[12:52:16] <tlund> jelly: only Release-file in /var/lib/apt/lists/ is ftp.no.debian.org_debian_dists_jessie_Release
2271[12:52:29] <themill> tlund: when did you last run apt-get update?
2272[12:52:38] <Dabuti> Hello guys, I've just install Java 1.8 to be able to run graylog2 and I'm having the following error: replaced-url
2273[12:52:46] <Dabuti> does anyone know how to solve it ?
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2278[12:54:22] <tlund> themill: today.
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2281[12:54:59] <tlund> themill: config files: replaced-url
2282[12:54:59] <jubo2> jmcnaught: 'aptitude show node' says "Not installed".. so it's gotta be that in July 2013 I installed /usr/local/bin/node because "single purpose server: just to get a diaspora* pod up"
2283[12:55:28] <jubo2> so how do I best uninstall /usr/local/bin/node ?
2284[12:55:30] <themill> tlund: you should have a Release file (or two) for every entry in your sources.list
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2288[12:56:18] <jmcnaught> jubo2: aptitude isn't going to now about things you installed from source. you should check the documentation that came with the node.js source tarbal. if it hasn't been updated since 2013 it's probably quite insecure
2289[12:56:37] <g00se> Am configuring OpenVPN client with nm applet and importing .ovpn file. After import it fills in very little on the form. All the cert fields are blank. Why so, since they are meant to be embedded in the file?
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2291[12:57:20] <tlund> themill: i fat fingered it some how. two results form the Release-files:
2292[12:57:22] <tlund> /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.no.debian.org_debian_dists_jessie-backports_InRelease:NotAutomatic: yes
2293[12:57:25] <tlund> /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.no.debian.org_debian_dists_jessie-backports_InRelease:ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes
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2296[12:58:09] <jubo2> I'm afraid the instructions I was given in July 2013 are now.. lost.
2297[12:58:28] <jubo2> I didn't blog HowTos back then
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2299[12:58:58] <jubo2> these days I try to make a meaningful post ... so I can check years later on what I did where which led to here
2300[12:59:03] <tlund> jelly/themill: does my sources.list look ok? i wrote it myself, and have it on every system. :) replaced-url
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2302[13:00:29] <jelly> tlund: yes. and you do not have any /etc/apt/preferences{,.d/*
2303[13:00:30] <jelly> ?
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2305[13:01:07] <tlund> jelly: no, nothing in preferences or preferences.d
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2308[13:02:20] <jelly> tlund: just for fun, can you temporarily disable the proxy setting, rerun "apt-get update" and pastebin the output, then also output of "apt-cache policy" again
2309[13:02:55] <tlund> hang on.
2310[13:03:05] <jelly> NotAutomatic: yes is in place so that shouldn't matter but... I don't have better ideas atm
2311[13:03:05] <jmcnaught> jubo2: look around in places you might have downloaded node.js to before compiling it. maybe it has installed some docs in /usr/local/share/doc? if you remove it and diaspora was using it, be prepared for that to break. Maybe "node --version" will tell you a version, and you can look up on the node.js site how to uninstall or upgrade it
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2316[13:04:29] <tlund> jelly: no need to pastebin, its full of 100:eds and dist-upgrade now says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
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2318[13:05:59] <tlund> jelly: as you might imagine, I have not made any changes to the server running apt-cacher-ng :)
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2321[13:06:17] <jelly> shouldn't all be 100s either
2322[13:06:24] <tlund> nono
2323[13:06:28] <tlund> mixed 500/100
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2325[13:06:56] <jelly> tlund: you may not have made changes, but that doesn't mean Debian themselves haven't shuffled things around and possibly confused other software
2326[13:06:57] <tlund> jelly: replaced-url
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2329[13:07:13] <tlund> yes, ofc
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2331[13:07:27] <tlund> this might mean anyone running backports and apt-cacher-ng might be affected by this issue
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2334[13:07:47] <tlund> and if they are doing automatic upgrades, they might just have gotten some 20+ new packages installed from backports
2335[13:07:59] <tlund> (whatever "this issue" is)
2336[13:08:17] <jelly> eyup
2337[13:08:24] * jmcnaught uses apt-cacher-ng and jessie-backports, didn't happen to him.
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2340[13:08:39] <tlund> jmcnaught: interesting / weird. :)
2341[13:08:39] <jelly> tlund: which OS and version of apt-cacher-ng is on that machine?
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2344[13:09:03] <tlund> jelly: all are debian 8.3 with the same config of sources.list and other apt-related things
2345[13:09:17] <jelly> i mean on the proxy itself
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2347[13:09:31] <tlund> apt-cacher-ng:
2348[13:09:31] <tlund> Installed: 0.8.0-3
2349[13:09:31] <tlund> Candidate: 0.9.1-1~bpo8+1
2350[13:09:41] <jelly> lol
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2352[13:09:58] <tlund> the cache machine is using itself as a cache, ofc :)
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2355[13:10:26] <jelly> tlund: it's probably worth reporting as high Severity bug
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2358[13:11:06] <tlund> jelly: on the regular debian bug tracker at replaced-url
2359[13:11:12] <jelly> tho whether the fault will fall on client's apt or in the proxy or on the mirror... you don't know in advance
2360[13:11:20] <jelly> !reportbug
2361[13:11:20] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, replaced-url
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2363[13:11:44] <tlund> why is dpkg suggesting http links for sites that are available over https :(
2364[13:12:00] <jelly> because noone updated the factoid
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2381[13:16:51] <tlund> no webgui for the BTS?!
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2385[13:18:34] <awal1> webgui?
2386[13:18:44] <jelly> tlund: reportbug automatically collects info about the installed package when you run it on the affected system
2387[13:19:07] <jelly> there's a reportbug-ng with a GUI but still not web
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2390[13:19:47] <tlund> i am just used to reporting bugs in the browser, when I can attach files and stuff :)
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2395[13:21:40] <tlund> also, installing that package pulls in stuff from backports :)
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2397[13:23:27] <tlund> (but yes, installing now)
2398[13:23:49] <tlund> this doesn't require the machine i am running it on being able to send email, right?
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2401[13:24:45] <jelly> tlund: it does but the tool tries to send mail directly, or leaves the result report as a file so you can send it from elsewhere
2402[13:25:09] <themill> fwiw I can't reproduce this behaviour using apt-cacher-ng
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2407[13:26:09] <awal1> I never was able to report a bug using 'reportbug' (gtk, text...) I always had to use my account in web browser. all goes fine, the reports seems sent (thats what 'reportbug' says) but something fails because they are never really sent (I dont find them in debian bug site, no matters if I use mutt or exim4; if I send via web browser , yes they are really sent. Any idea on how to debug and see what happens exactly?
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2409[13:26:20] <jelly> presumably because the cruft causing it is already in tlund's cache
2410[13:26:40] <pragomer_1> hi. not a debian question. but dont know where to ask: how can I scan an image in terminal (with parameters and without user interaction) ?
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2412[13:26:56] <awal1> I wonder if firewell is related (?)
2413[13:27:06] <themill> There's no way the cache can influence this behaviour either -- any change to Release would cause signature failures
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2420[13:29:36] <jelly> tlund: if you put the proxy setting back and do apt-get update and apt-cache policy again, does the problem reappear or not?
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2422[13:30:37] <tlund> testing
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2430[13:31:58] <tlund> no, that does indeed seem to fix the issue
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2433[13:33:42] <jelly> tlund: so the immediate cause was some remaining state on the client machine
2434[13:34:11] <jelly> but also, doing an apt-get update over apt-cacher-ng does not fix it
2435[13:35:04] <tlund> apt-get update -o 'Acquire::http::Proxy=""' ; apt-get dist-upgrade
2436[13:35:09] <tlund> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
2437[13:35:57] <tlund> after that, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade is back to normal
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2440[13:36:42] <tlund> (all of my machines run "apt-get update" from cron automatically, to be able to report back how many security updates are available, so all of them had been "infected" by this issue)
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2447[13:37:36] <MaBunny> Guys i hav forgotten my root password
2448[13:37:49] <sn0wmonster> reinstall windows.
2449[13:37:53] <sn0wmonster> (just kidding)
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2452[13:38:02] <MaBunny> Or maybe i misstyped it the previous day
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2454[13:38:18] <MaBunny> How do i enter the grub menu??
2455[13:38:28] <MaBunny> I mean in debian?
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2463[13:40:32] <MaBunny> I had previously changed my root password in the grub menu in another debian-based os
2464[13:40:32] <zykotick9> MaBunny: have you seen "/msg dpkg frp" for how to reset it? I'm not sure how you "enter the grub" menu... I just see it as i boot. Best of luck.
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2468[13:41:36] <MaBunny> I kno,but which option do i select,i clicked on the one with "pae" written on it
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2471[13:42:11] <MaBunny> It asked for my root password,but i want to change my root password
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2474[13:42:38] <MaBunny> Its my first time in debian in changing a root password
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2478[13:44:24] <MaBunny> Is there a tutorial on the net to change passwords in debian?
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2480[13:45:28] <themill> what dpkg said.
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2504[13:54:06] <M4GNV5> so im trying to create a bootable usb drive from my debian 8.3 dvd 1, problem is when i just dd the img over it doesnt work. On windows i can use rufus and select "GTP for UEFI computers" as a partition table and it works fine. Is there a tool that has this functionality for linux? preferably ofc in the jessie package archives?
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2512[13:55:12] <MaBunny> Should it be: mount -o remount,rw /
2513[13:55:26] <tlund> MaBunny: yes.
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2515[13:55:46] <MaBunny> Not mount / -o remount,rw???
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2519[13:56:13] <tlund> options normally go first. both might work. unless you get an error message, you are good to go.
2520[13:56:29] <MaBunny> Ok thnx
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2530[13:58:23] <markybob> M4GNV5: the install guide says just cp image.iso /dev/sdX
2531[13:58:35] <markybob> M4GNV5: keep in mind live doesn't support uefi
2532[13:58:59] <MaBunny> Also,i see a lot of code in this script before hand
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2534[13:59:11] <MaBunny> What about tht??
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2536[13:59:21] <MaBunny> In the grub menu
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2540[14:00:31] <MaBunny> I shouldnt be playing around with tht code,should i??
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2542[14:01:01] <MaBunny> *shouldnt i?
2543[14:02:30] <MaBunny> Guys???any suggestions??
2544[14:02:41] <themill> MaBunny: I'll bet no-one has the slightest clue what you're talking about.
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2546[14:03:09] <M4GNV5> markybob, live? i just have the usual debian install dvd from replaced-url
2547[14:03:36] <themill> M4GNV5: as markybob said, that's all you need
2548[14:03:38] <MaBunny> Well,when i pressed 'e' in the grub menu
2549[14:03:46] <markybob> M4GNV5: no. just cp image.iso /dev/sdX like the debian install guide said
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2553[14:04:08] <MaBunny> I saw some code b4hand in the editor which
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2555[14:04:19] <MaBunny> I think is important
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2559[14:04:46] <MaBunny> So probably i shouldnt be playing woth that code
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2561[14:05:06] <MaBunny> Or else it will mess up my system
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2563[14:05:14] <MaBunny> *with
2564[14:05:18] <TomTomTosch> just do what dpkg said? :3
2565[14:05:45] <tinnotl> HI!
2566[14:05:53] <tinnotl> What's up:)
2567[14:06:07] <g00se> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.1.80 *** How do i check that's in effect? It doesn't appear with iptables -L
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2570[14:06:35] <bazhang> #grub MaBunny
2571[14:06:42] <MaBunny> So,anyways i commented tht code and if it fucks up,only god knos who to swear at
2572[14:06:44] <TomTomTosch> M4GNV5, you can create whatever partition you like, it will be overwritten anyway. the iso contains it all like markybob said.
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2574[14:06:51] <tlund> g00se: iptables -t nat -L
2575[14:06:56] <g00se> Ta
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2578[14:07:36] <themill> MaBunny: what dpkg told you works; I still have no idea what you're talking about.
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2580[14:08:07] <g00se> tlund: is there anything that might stop that in terms of firewalling on the box where that's issued?
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2582[14:08:33] <MaBunny> How do i sav this???
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2584[14:08:36] <tlund> g00se: "yes"
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2588[14:09:10] <markybob> MaBunny: seriously, what's your native tongue?
2589[14:09:23] <MaBunny> The bash code??
2590[14:09:28] <g00se> I mean there's port forwarding (both UDP and TCP) of 1194 to the server yet there's timing out connecting
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2594[14:09:46] <MaBunny> Whats it got to do with my native tongue??
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2596[14:10:22] <markybob> MaBunny: we can't understand you. you're making no sense to anyone. i'm trying to point you to the right channel that speaks your language
2597[14:10:26] <themill> MaBunny: we're not succeeding in communicating with you so we're wondering if there is some better way of helping you.
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2601[14:10:55] <MaBunny> Ok,its bengali
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2605[14:11:12] <MaBunny> As in Bangladesh
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2610[14:11:29] <markybob> shit. i'm not sure there is a channel for that
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2615[14:12:02] <Slown> Hello
2616[14:12:07] <Slown> I need your help
2617[14:12:11] <MaBunny> Yeah,they dont run after computers so much here
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2619[14:12:14] <Slown> I have a problem after an upgrade
2620[14:12:18] <Slown> someone can help me please
2621[14:12:30] <MaBunny> Ok
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2623[14:12:39] <TomTomTosch> something something beatles lyrics.
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2625[14:13:17] <MaBunny> What dpkg said,i will just write it after pressing 'e' in grub menu and
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2627[14:13:37] <MaBunny> Then press F10? Right?
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2641[14:18:13] <TomTomTosch> press f10 to do what? you reboot if you are done.
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2643[14:18:51] <MaBunny> So,i shouldnt press f10?
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2645[14:19:46] <markybob> i don't see anything in what dpkg said about f10
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2650[14:20:30] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: in the instructions from dpkg, only step 1 involves editing the grub command. all of the other steps come after the system has booted. If you entered all of that into the grub command, you should start over
2651[14:20:48] <themill> I assume this is at the end of editing the grub command to tell grub to now boot
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2655[14:21:14] <themill> but this is quite a leap...
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2659[14:22:13] <MaBunny> So ill only add init=/bin.... to the grub menu?ok
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2670[14:27:29] <M4GNV5> markybob, it doesnt work, the tablet doesnt detect the tablet as a bootable device :( (its one of these 32 bit uefi 64 bit cpu tablets)
2671[14:28:07] <markybob> M4GNV5: i know nothing about tablets
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2676[14:29:43] <MaBunny> Guys it doesnt work,im presented at the user-login screen
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2682[14:32:11] <M4GNV5> markybob, hmm any idea what rufus does different? cuz with rufus it worked, sadly i have no windows pc anymore :(
2683[14:32:37] <markybob> M4GNV5: no. rufus usually breaks things
2684[14:32:39] <markybob> !rufus
2685[14:32:39] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
2686[14:33:34] <MaBunny> !win32diskimager
2687[14:33:34] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
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2689[14:34:09] <TomTomTosch> don't think there is a tux32diskimager thoguh :P
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2691[14:34:31] <MaBunny> Guys should i just reinstall my system from scratch???
2692[14:34:50] <M4GNV5> !usb install
2693[14:34:50] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
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2695[14:35:09] <jmcnaught> M4GNV5: MaBunny: the topic has examples of how to talk to dpkg privately
2696[14:35:17] <M4GNV5> !plop
2697[14:35:17] <dpkg> Plop Boot Manager is a boot loader with built-in IDE CD-ROM and USB drivers. This allows booting from CD-ROM and USB on legacy PC systems without BIOS support. Plop Boot Manager is proprietary but free for personal and non-commercial use. replaced-url
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2700[14:36:14] <themill> M4GNV5: what are hardware are you trying to boot?
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2702[14:36:54] <MaBunny> jmcnaught: can you guide me in how to change my root password? Im getting frustrated
2703[14:36:56] <M4GNV5> sry
2704[14:37:11] <M4GNV5> i guess ill try some stuff with partitioning with gparted and manual copying
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2706[14:37:19] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, were you able to boot into the shell?
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2708[14:37:46] <MaBunny> No,thts where im stuck,i cant get into the shell
2709[14:38:34] <MaBunny> I tried putting "init=/bin/sh" in the editor
2710[14:38:41] <MaBunny> Last line
2711[14:39:10] <MaBunny> But it made the computer go to the user-login window
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2715[14:40:00] <TomTomTosch> did you leave the quotes in?
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2717[14:40:20] <MaBunny> No,i removed the quotes
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2721[14:41:43] <MaBunny> The editor ran,on pressing f10, the code already there and the one i put in it
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2723[14:42:00] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: it doesn't go on the last line, it goes on the end of the line that starts with "linux", after the word quiet
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2726[14:42:50] <MaBunny> Ok ill try again
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2734[14:44:32] <MaBunny> Ok i found a line tht says "linux ..... quiet"
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2736[14:44:41] <MaBunny> Is it tht one???
2737[14:45:20] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: yes, at init=/bin/sh to the end of that line
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2742[14:48:06] <MaBunny> It says: "/bin/sh : 0: cant access tty; job control turned off"
2743[14:48:10] <awal1> Exuses, guys, i forgot how to call dpkg for ask which package provides X package
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2747[14:48:52] <MaBunny> So now i just type in the rest??
2748[14:49:00] <markybob> awal1: you mean which file is provided by which package?
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2750[14:49:50] <awal1> markybob: example: which package provides 'xdpyinfo'
2751[14:50:03] <awal1> stuff like that
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2753[14:50:08] <markybob> awal1: apt-file search xdpyinfo
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2755[14:50:31] <jmcnaught> MaBunny: now you do the rest of what dpkg said, one step at a time
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2759[14:51:06] <awal1> markybob, ok, it works, thanks :)
2760[14:51:14] <MaBunny> Yes ive changed it
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2793[15:03:44] <MaBunny> Thnx,jmcnaught,Tomtomtocsh,markybob
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2796[15:04:01] * MaBunny gives a hug to you all
2797[15:04:38] <TomTomTosch> glad you got it working. maybe you should write down your passwords though :P
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2801[15:05:24] <zatamine> Hello :)
2802[15:05:34] <MaBunny> No,i had written it down the prev day when i changed it
2803[15:05:47] <MaBunny> Might hav pressed a wrong key
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2809[15:07:00] <MaBunny> By the way guys,i hav downloaded the c++-annotations package from the Docs section in synaptic
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2811[15:07:35] <MaBunny> How do i open it in the terminal,there seems to be no other program with tht name
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2815[15:08:10] <MaBunny> Or even leaving tht aside,how do i open latex files for proper viewing
2816[15:08:22] <MaBunny> In terminal or gui
2817[15:08:30] <markybob> MaBunny: i told you this yesterday. cat.
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2819[15:08:34] <MaBunny> Any help?
2820[15:08:44] <markybob> MaBunny: they're text files
2821[15:09:07] <dvs> markybob, I think he means formatted output.
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2823[15:09:18] <MaBunny> I tried it,but it gave a endless stream of texts when i typed cat filename
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2827[15:10:03] <MaBunny> Is there a way to open/ cat it and put the resulting text into a .txt file???
2828[15:10:10] <g00se> Is it likely that the client network of a VPN server could have firewalling preventing connections to the server?
2829[15:10:11] <MaBunny> Like pipe
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2831[15:11:00] <MaBunny> cat filename | fname.txt --> like this??
2832[15:11:08] <spectromas> Hi, I'm looking for some general advice. I am thinking of using debian for my desktop, I'm unsure of the branch though. The wiki seems to warn many times to not use testing but stable is not what I want. Do things break in unstable a lot or is it sort of like arch in the sense that it's just bugs that can happen? Or are the testing warnings overstated?
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2834[15:12:03] <hualet_deepin> hi everyone, I'm having trouble subscribing the debian-announce mailing list. Anyone can help me ?
2835[15:12:32] <towo`> MaBunny, cat foo | less
2836[15:12:33] <hualet_deepin> It just returns 'Error: Bad data in e-mail address'
2837[15:12:40] <dvs> spectromas, testing can break almost as much as unstable
2838[15:12:43] <babilen> MaBunny: You can achieve the same by simply copying the file, but "cat foo > bar" is what you're looking for (read up on i/o redirection)
2839[15:12:44] <markybob> spectromas: use stable. jessie.
2840[15:12:58] <MaBunny> Ok thnx
2841[15:13:05] <babilen> No idea what the point of that would be
2842[15:13:11] <babilen> (but as you asked ...)
2843[15:13:35] <MaBunny> I also hav the debian reference package,will catch up on it
2844[15:13:44] <markybob> spectromas: testing breaks things for longer then stable because there's a time limit for packages to be fixed in testing
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2846[15:13:47] <babilen> MaBunny: Are you trying to view the file?
2847[15:14:06] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, there is a txt version provided.
2848[15:14:18] <MaBunny> Where???
2849[15:14:29] <MaBunny> $_$
2850[15:14:32] <spectromas> markybob: yeah I like the idea of the stability of stable but I'm not really keen on the older packages, coming from funtoo and arch
2851[15:14:42] <hualet_deepin> Do the mailing lists need some specific mail address ?
2852[15:14:44] <markybob> spectromas: there is backports
2853[15:14:59] <babilen> hualet_deepin: They don't
2854[15:15:00] <markybob> !tell spectromas about backports
2855[15:15:06] <MaBunny> Where is the text file fellas!
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2857[15:15:32] <hualet_deepin> babilen: then why I can't just subscribe ?
2858[15:15:38] <babilen> hualet_deepin: Are you using comments in your mail address or are you doing something else that might be considered unusual (even though it is according to specs) ?
2859[15:16:12] <markybob> MaBunny: really? replaced-url
2860[15:16:20] <spectromas> thanks markybob, I'll look at that.
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2862[15:16:52] <hualet_deepin> babilen: I just went replaced-url
2863[15:16:57] <hualet_deepin> anything wrong ?
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2865[15:17:35] <hualet_deepin> babilen: OK, I figured it out.
2866[15:17:53] <babilen> What was it?
2867[15:17:57] <hualet_deepin> there's an extra ' '
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2869[15:18:09] <babilen> aye
2870[15:18:26] <hualet_deepin> :(
2871[15:18:37] <hualet_deepin> babilen: thank you anyway :D
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2876[15:19:29] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, if you installed c++-annotations it pulled c++-annotations-txt
2877[15:19:57] <MaBunny> I want the pdf version
2878[15:20:10] <MaBunny> Can i get it from the website?
2879[15:20:19] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, would be for example zless /usr/share/doc/c++-annotations/cplusplus.txt.gz
2880[15:20:30] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, you wanted txt a minute ago
2881[15:20:40] <MaBunny> Yeah
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2883[15:20:51] <markybob> TomTomTosch: this is when we kill ourselves
2884[15:20:54] <MaBunny> Ok ill search in tht directory
2885[15:21:03] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, the pdf is pulled to. will be somewhere in there. just look.
2886[15:21:05] <MaBunny> No ill go with text
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2888[15:21:24] <MaBunny> Ok thnx guys for help
2889[15:22:25] <TomTomTosch> markybob, hakuna matata x)
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2896[15:24:26] <MaBunny> Ok im in /usr/share/doc/c++-annotations-txt/ ; theres a changelog.debian.gz file and changelog.gz file there
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2898[15:24:49] <TomTomTosch> now go back and read again what i wrote.
2899[15:25:07] <MaBunny> Ok its there
2900[15:25:21] <TomTomTosch> \o/
2901[15:26:14] <MaBunny> I copied it to home,will check it now
2902[15:26:30] <MaBunny> Whats the bash command for move
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2904[15:26:43] <TomTomTosch> but as i said, the pdf should be there too. i think it would be a bit nicer to have bookmarks and such for a large book.
2905[15:27:14] <MaBunny> No,i remember i didnt download the pdf version from synaptic
2906[15:27:25] <TomTomTosch> better to cp it then mv.
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2909[15:27:50] <MaBunny> Yeah,i copied it from source
2910[15:27:58] <TomTomTosch> if you installed c++-annotations , as you said, the pdf will be there too.
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2913[15:28:07] <MaBunny> Sio mv is the command?
2914[15:28:13] <TomTomTosch> cpo
2915[15:28:16] <TomTomTosch> * cp
2916[15:28:59] <MaBunny> I copied it from /usr/share/doc/c++.... to /home/tty
2917[15:29:06] <MaBunny> :)
2918[15:29:06] <TomTomTosch> cp is for copy, mv is for move. mv would remove it from its original place. you probably want to copy.
2919[15:29:26] <MaBunny> Yes thts wht i was asking,thnx
2920[15:29:53] <TomTomTosch> you called your user tty? D:
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2922[15:30:31] <TomTomTosch> want to make reading logs extra fun? ;D
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2972[15:56:51] <spectromas> how can I see which version of a particular package would be available when using stable branch with backports? This doesn't give me any results for qbittorrent replaced-url
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2977[15:58:03] <thenewone> Hi guys what pkg should i install to make the fonts look perfect ?
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2982[16:03:11] <balance> hi
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2986[16:04:44] <thenewone> Higuys i have a question again how to make font's looks better and thanks
2987[16:05:19] <r6ku> thenewone: heard you the first time, check your font settings for antialiasing and turn it to full hinting
2988[16:05:57] <thenewone> r6ku: it is
2989[16:06:20] <thenewone> but the fon'ts don't looks great :(
2990[16:06:24] <r6ku> thenewone: then try some other fonts, liberation, droid etc.
2991[16:07:04] <balance> I can ping replaced-url
2992[16:07:08] <thenewone> r6ku: i knowdude this fonts
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2995[16:08:17] <thenewone> balance: balance could get to google.com ?
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2997[16:08:47] <balance> thenewone, yes
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2999[16:09:20] <vervet> balance: don't include prefixes, just getcomposer.org
3000[16:09:22] <thenewone> balance: and google.ch nope ?
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3002[16:10:54] <balance> vervet works - doesn't ping work with https?
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3005[16:11:53] <balance> thenewone, that worked
3006[16:12:22] <thenewone> balance: did you fix your problem ?
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3008[16:12:45] <thenewone> brb
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3011[16:13:14] <balance> thenewone, hmm, no. I want to get composer via vurl but always get Download failed: file_get_contents(replaced-url
3012[16:13:15] <balance> (I can ping getcomposer.org but I can't ping replaced-url
3013[16:13:30] <vervet> balance: different protocols, ping = icmp, and it works at a lower layer (tcp/ip- wise)
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3020[16:15:00] <vervet> balance: php question perhaps but you may want quotes around that
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3022[16:15:27] <balance> vervet hmm since I can't ping https:getcomposer.org I doubt's it's a php problem
3023[16:15:47] <balance> typo in there missing // :p
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3026[16:17:14] <balance> vervet, ty though, ill look into it
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3031[16:18:12] <vervet> balance: can you do $var = file_get_contents("[enter url here]"); echo $var;?
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3033[16:18:32] <vervet> balance: np, may want to ask on the other channel
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3036[16:19:22] <Aebian> whats the best way to copy files to a windows machine who is in the same netwotk as my debian machine?
3037[16:19:30] <Aebian> *network
3038[16:19:44] <thenewone> samba
3039[16:19:56] <thenewone> or scp in secure way
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3041[16:20:43] <thenewone> or external hdd :D ( joking )
3042[16:21:09] <thenewone> Aebian: you can use samba to share the folder you wanna use or scp to copy
3043[16:21:28] <Aebian> scp works with windows?
3044[16:21:46] <calisto> nfs, whi not, its fast and simple!!
3045[16:22:19] <thenewone> Aebian: you can download scpwin to run it on windows and connect to your linux machine and copy what you wanna
3046[16:22:27] <Aebian> well I have about 40GB or more to transfer. And my external HDD is not being recognized :D
3047[16:22:33] <Aebian> ah okay
3048[16:22:34] <teclo-> I'd say samba
3049[16:22:55] <teclo-> to me NFS is well, a problem, and not easy to access NFS from W*ndows
3050[16:23:00] <thenewone> Aebian: but scp copy over ssh wish make it secure
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3053[16:23:37] <Aebian> well its in my home network anyway so besides that it shouldn't be a security problem if its not over SSH :D
3054[16:23:50] <thenewone> Aebian: just telling :)
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3056[16:23:57] <thenewone> some peoples are more paranoid than me :D
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3058[16:24:17] <Aebian> ah
3059[16:24:32] <Aebian> winscp oh yes I remember that
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3062[16:25:55] <calisto> teclo-: if WIndows => Samba really easy, If you like scp install putty on windows, provide ssh and scp utilities
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3076[16:28:53] <da3m0n22> hey all, openvpn doesn't launch daemons with OPTARGS from /etc/default/openvpn, is this known issue? running debian 8.3 with ovpn 2.3.4-5+deb8u1
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3079[16:31:13] <thenewone> da3m0n22: It's working fine
3080[16:31:15] <thenewone> for me
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3084[16:32:42] <da3m0n22> thenewone: systemd or sysvinit ?
3085[16:33:12] <thenewone> da3m0n22: systemd
3086[16:33:14] <thenewone> :)
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3088[16:33:20] <sn0wmonster> This may start a fight, but can someone give me the laymen's explanation of the problem people were having with Systemd?
3089[16:33:28] <calisto> da3m0n22: I dont know if a issue, in general case works fine the daemon, Why you need alter /etc/default/openvpn?
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3091[16:33:34] <sn0wmonster> Does it have the potential to backdoor computers if the NSA so sees fit to?
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3093[16:34:00] <sn0wmonster> Or was it more of just a switch in the way things worked and people didn't want to change easily?
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3095[16:34:15] <thenewone> sn0wmonster: i will move from systemd to openrc
3096[16:34:16] <gchristensen> Hi, in systemd, is there a way to have one service start when another fails?
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3098[16:34:17] <thenewone> :D
3099[16:34:27] <da3m0n22> calisto: custom client-connect and client-disconnect scripts, but neither of arguments put in default/openvpn is shown when I grep "ps aux | grep openvpn", other arguments look like generated from /etc/init.d/openvpn launch script
3100[16:34:42] <da3m0n22> thenewone: thanks for info, i wonder what is the cause in my case
3101[16:35:04] <sn0wmonster> I don't understand that deeply the issue or what systemd even does enough to know why it would be bad, but i figured it had something to do with giving too much freedom and power to a bootloader/startup script?
3102[16:35:22] <sn0wmonster> if that's the case, I want to be aware of the potential risks in case it doesn't fit my threat model to have it
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3104[16:35:34] <sn0wmonster> (should I be asking this in ##linux?)
3105[16:35:43] <gchristensen> sn0wmonster: my impression is people don't like systemd because it is different from the way linux has worked for a long time.
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3108[16:35:57] <thenewone> sn0wmonster: systemd is nice guys
3109[16:36:08] <thenewone> but if nsa get in
3110[16:36:09] <gchristensen> but personally, I believe, it has the potential to increase the auditability and security of a system.
3111[16:36:10] <thenewone> i will change
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3113[16:36:21] <thenewone> it's that simple
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3117[16:37:29] <da3m0n22> calisto: i also wonder where does mesages from "log_progress_msg" calls within etc/init.d/openvpn go, since i cannot find them in openvpn.log or syslog/journalctl -xn
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3119[16:38:30] <calisto> da3m0n22: you dont need talter default/openvpn you can run a personals scripts to your client using the config file of your client
3120[16:38:37] <sn0wmonster> thenewone: that's a nice sentiment, but you wouldn't know if they got in until everyone was screwed 10 years from now
3121[16:39:03] <thenewone> sn0wmonster: agree with you
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3123[16:39:10] <sn0wmonster> my issue is mostly with Ubuntu and how things seem to be shifting towards convenience and not security
3124[16:39:19] <sn0wmonster> linux is useful because of security
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3126[16:39:27] <thenewone> Ubuntu sucks
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3129[16:39:35] <sn0wmonster> That's why I use Debian
3130[16:39:36] <thenewone> i use to say Ubuntu is the same as windows
3131[16:39:48] <thenewone> i just installed Debian i used to use Arch
3132[16:39:58] <donoban> Ubuntu takes years for fix a CVE from 2013... and then do TWO regressions
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3134[16:40:02] <sn0wmonster> but I am too inexperienced to know the major differences between Ubuntu and Debian
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3137[16:40:19] <sn0wmonster> so even Debian is something I haven't learned why i should trust it
3138[16:40:26] <thenewone> sn0wmonster: just stay with Debian you don't have to know what Ubuntu doing
3139[16:40:42] <gchristensen> sn0wmonster: you shouldn't, if you're concerned about nation-state level attacks on your threat model.
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3141[16:40:49] <da3m0n22> calisto: oh i see now, i've overlooked the section in openvpn man, that cmd options can be set from within .conf file, thanks, trying that now
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3143[16:41:02] <sn0wmonster> i am. and that's what concerns me. is *any* linux distro free from that kind of risk?
3144[16:41:19] <sn0wmonster> or is that one of those "it does't matter what distro you use, it matters how you set it up" deals?
3145[16:41:19] <donoban> sn0wmonster: Debian it's slow and solid (but fast on security) and Ubuntu tries to be fast on freatures, fast on hardware support, but slow on security patches
3146[16:41:42] <donoban> also ubuntu tries to be "beatiful" and "easy"
3147[16:41:55] <thenewone> Ubuntu = Unity
3148[16:41:57] <thenewone> wtf
3149[16:42:12] <sn0wmonster> thanks for the much needed crash course guys
3150[16:42:20] <thenewone> lol
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3152[16:42:30] <calisto> da3m0n22: you can run a personal script with the "up" directive ex. up /etc/openvpn/scripts/your_script.sh (chmod +x your_script.sh), and set the log file using
3153[16:42:31] <sn0wmonster> i've tried to add a layer of separation by using Qubes now with Debian
3154[16:42:37] <sn0wmonster> (Qubes + Whonix (debian)
3155[16:42:49] <sn0wmonster> but even that I have to question because Opsec demands it
3156[16:42:49] <thenewone> the most stupid community of linux is ubuntu one belive me guys i get in fight alot with them
3157[16:43:15] <thenewone> they don't understand simple question
3158[16:43:19] <thenewone> questions*
3159[16:43:19] <sn0wmonster> why do you fight with other linux users? we shouldn't be doing that. it should be great that people are brave enough to not use windows.
3160[16:43:36] <thenewone> sn0wmonster: they don't understand simple questions :)
3161[16:43:55] <da3m0n22> calisto: well setting script-security 2, client-connect and client-disconnect in vpn .conf file worked, thanks
3162[16:43:58] <thenewone> or they ask you to do things in the way he love
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3164[16:44:21] <da3m0n22> however i still wonder why OPTARGS are not being propagated into openvpn daemon launch cmd ..
3165[16:44:22] <donoban> sn0wmonster: what do you exactly want/need from Ubuntu?
3166[16:44:30] <markedsea> sn0wmonster, don't Qubes and Whonix fulfill similar purposes, or am I misreading what's on both pages?
3167[16:44:31] <thenewone> he need nothing :)
3168[16:44:32] <sn0wmonster> nothing, i have no interest in ubuntu
3169[16:44:35] <donoban> if you use Qubes you aren't going to use Unity on Ubuntu tempalte
3170[16:44:48] <sn0wmonster> markedsea: yea, Qubes is what Whonix runs inside of
3171[16:44:57] <calisto> da3m0n22: the directive "status" in your config file you can have a log ex. status your_log_file
3172[16:45:32] <sn0wmonster> donoban: i was merely curious as I heard that debian and ubuntu were "brother distros" and forks of each other, so i wanted ot know just how close they were in terms of security
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3174[16:45:44] <markedsea> sn0wmonster, hence the sandboxing of programs on Whonix, just applied one step further with certain traffic requests as well?
3175[16:45:48] <donoban> sn0wmonster: see this replaced-url
3176[16:46:17] <sn0wmonster> markedsea: yea, Qubes is the Xen engine that lets you run the VMs, Whonix is the Apparmor workspace with a workstation and gateway forcing traffic over Tor. Basically Tails on crack.
3177[16:46:24] <donoban> they fixed CVE-2013-7041 on 16/03/16
3178[16:46:31] <da3m0n22> calisto: status is not much helpful when i need to run events on client (dis)connect, but thanks
3179[16:46:39] <donoban> do you know when Debian fixed this CVE?
3180[16:46:46] <sn0wmonster> donoban: same day?
3181[16:47:01] <donoban> LOL
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3184[16:47:10] <thenewone> wow
3185[16:47:12] <thenewone> 3 years
3186[16:47:19] <thenewone> to fix that
3187[16:47:27] <donoban> give me one minute
3188[16:47:44] <calisto> ok da3m0n22, jeje I dont understand you need, by the way, your welcome
3189[16:47:45] <sn0wmonster> it's not that it was 3 years that is appalling, it's that it was already a known bug and fixed before it was reported
3190[16:47:59] <sn0wmonster> almost makes you wonder if there is an anti-security agenda
3191[16:48:23] <sn0wmonster> and UK home office came out and said Ubuntu is super safe didn't they?
3192[16:48:27] <sn0wmonster> so i know I can't trust it
3193[16:48:31] <thenewone> sn0wmonster: they did
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3195[16:48:42] <markedsea> sn0wmonster, oh, neat.
3196[16:49:00] <thenewone> and UK defence or what ever said don't use complicated passwords because it's make life sucks
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3198[16:49:16] <sn0wmonster> markedsea: it's absolutely wonderful, I can spin up a VM of Debian 8, FreeBSD, Windows and Whonix at the same time and they never know about each other or the machine they run on
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3200[16:49:29] <sn0wmonster> I trust Qubes, i just didn't know if I could trust debian 8
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3202[16:49:50] <sn0wmonster> (mainly for things I am not so well versed in like evil maid, potential systemd attack vectors, etc)
3203[16:50:17] <sn0wmonster> before i patch anti-evil maid I wanted to make sure I understand the ramifications of it
3204[16:50:32] <thenewone> sn0wmonster: what distro you used to use before ?
3205[16:50:38] <sn0wmonster> Windows
3206[16:50:41] <sn0wmonster> I am a total newb to linux
3207[16:50:51] <sn0wmonster> Everyhting I know about it I learned in 1 month so far using Tails
3208[16:50:59] <sn0wmonster> (Which is also Debian)
3209[16:51:01] <donoban> sn0wmonster: replaced-url
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3213[16:51:45] <donoban> why Ubuntu taked two years for doing it?
3214[16:51:45] <sn0wmonster> thenewone: @UK defense: password cause cancer!
3215[16:51:52] <thenewone> sn0wmonster: lol
3216[16:52:16] <da3m0n22> cheers
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3218[16:52:19] <Aebian> thenewone: SCP works like a charm thx ^^
3219[16:52:21] <tinnotl> What's up guys!
3220[16:52:25] <sn0wmonster> anyway, great to meet some debian people
3221[16:52:34] <thenewone> Aebian: welcome
3222[16:52:41] <tinnotl> I just switched from elementary to debian+i3wm, I love it.
3223[16:52:42] <sn0wmonster> i was always fascinated by debian's history ever since i learned Nasa used it as their distro
3224[16:52:50] <sn0wmonster> I thought "hey that must be secure"
3225[16:52:53] <thenewone> from Arch to Debian+bspwm :)
3226[16:52:54] <sn0wmonster> (naive I know)
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3228[16:53:14] <Walakea> how can i encrypt whole USB so it stays crossplatform?
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3230[16:53:33] <tinnotl> thenewone: Why did you switched from arch? Thought people love it more then debian.
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3232[16:53:54] <thenewone> tinnotl: to learn some new stuff
3233[16:54:12] <thenewone> tinnotl: Arch will not work on servers and i need to learn distro wish they are working on server lvl
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3235[16:54:29] <thenewone> like centos debian that's why
3236[16:54:31] <tinnotl> thenewone: Nice.:) I love how light-weight it is.
3237[16:54:33] <Aebian> Î use debian as OS and as server OS
3238[16:54:34] <thenewone> Arch for personnal use :)
3239[16:54:52] <thenewone> tinnotl: i could say the best distro i ever used is Arch for personne computer :)
3240[16:55:01] <grawity> Walakea: I guess cryptsetup with tcrypt would be most "crossplatform"
3241[16:55:06] <grawity> Walakea: but there's no good option
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3243[16:55:14] <thenewone> brb
3244[16:55:29] <tinnotl> Do I need to register my nickname somewhere?
3245[16:55:51] <Aebian> on freenode with neckserv but not mandatory
3246[16:55:52] <tinnotl> thenewone: I'm getting frustrated for some reason when I use linux on desktops..
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3248[16:56:06] <Aebian> *nickserv
3249[16:56:16] <tinnotl> Aebian: Thanks
3250[16:56:37] <Aebian> tinnotl: /msg nickserv register <email> or so
3251[16:56:38] <Walakea> my relative uses win and wants to encrypt theirs usb, but some time will probrably be switching to G/L
3252[16:56:46] <sn0wmonster> tinnotl: what's your issue with linux on desktops?
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3265[17:01:12] <tinnotl> sn0wmonster: Idk, I mean, it's not an issue but since I don't use my desktop that much I have no need to install linux and conf it.
3266[17:03:26] <Shawn> Freesu one major problem with that:
3267[17:04:22] <Shawn> If you leave the root password blank when you install Debian it (the debian installer) installs sudo for you and adds your first user to sudo group
3268[17:04:28] <seoner> hi what encryption does debian using by default?
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3270[17:05:14] <tinnotl> Why is that major problem?
3271[17:05:21] <seoner> what encryption does debian uses by default?
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3274[17:05:59] <sn0wmonster> tinnotl: laptop? mobile device?
3275[17:06:16] <tinnotl> sn0wmonster: Yeah, I use laptop all the time.
3276[17:06:31] <sn0wmonster> what OS?
3277[17:06:43] <sn0wmonster> does it have more than 4 GB of RAM?
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3280[17:07:07] <tinnotl> My desktop or laptop?
3281[17:07:14] <sn0wmonster> lappy
3282[17:07:23] <tinnotl> 4gb, debian
3283[17:07:30] <tinnotl> Btw, how do you guys share links here?
3284[17:07:31] <sn0wmonster> lappy 386 for reading your speemails
3285[17:07:32] <tinnotl> Just pasting it?
3286[17:07:36] <sn0wmonster> yep
3287[17:07:46] <tinnotl> seoner: Check this replaced-url
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3289[17:08:57] <Walakea> would it be possible to make usb partition to ntfs, encrypt it in windows and be readable on g/l?
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3291[17:09:35] <sn0wmonster> g/l?
3292[17:09:46] <dvs> GNU Linux?
3293[17:10:01] <jhutchins> Walakea: Depends on what windows encryption you use.
3294[17:10:23] <sn0wmonster> You can use Veracrypt for example, and have veracrypt in linux and windows
3295[17:10:43] <Walakea> i dont see veracrypt in debian repositories
3296[17:11:05] <jhutchins> McAffee, on the other hand, uses something proprietary last I checked, and it's not available in Linux.
3297[17:11:11] <sn0wmonster> doesn't mean you can't install it.
3298[17:11:19] <sn0wmonster> I installed it in Android, Debian and Windows.
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3301[17:12:13] <Walakea> ok, so there is probably no easy and fast way to do that
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3305[17:14:35] <jhutchins> Walakea: replaced-url
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3307[17:14:59] <jhutchins> Walakea: replaced-url
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3309[17:15:17] <jhutchins> Walakea: replaced-url
3310[17:15:57] <jhutchins> Walakea: OS encryption is likely to be available for Windows, Windows based encryption may not be in Linux.
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3313[17:16:55] <Walakea> thanks for the links
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3335[17:25:31] <Shawn> tinnotl: you're taking it out of context. Scroll back see what freesu said
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3339[17:26:40] <Shawn> ...if you want context
3340[17:26:55] <tinnotl> Shawn: Yeah, my bad, I'm sorry.
3341[17:28:01] <Shawn> I shouldn't have replied hws not even here anymore
3342[17:28:05] <Shawn> :/
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3375[17:37:47] <rysiek|pl> hi all
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3377[17:38:03] <rysiek|pl> I have found a bug in logrotate that causes it to segfault
3378[17:38:15] <rysiek|pl> it's related to length of filenames and directories
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3381[17:38:48] <rysiek|pl> I'd love it if somebody could confirm they are experiencing this too -- tested this in docker containers (with wheezy, jessie and testing)
3382[17:38:57] <rysiek|pl> and on bare metal with jessie
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3392[17:41:08] <rysiek|pl> here's the testcase code: replaced-url
3393[17:42:13] <ultito> kernel panic
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3399[17:47:48] <RoyK> ultito: panic?
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3403[17:49:35] <rysiek|pl> ultito: ?
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3407[17:50:39] <HoloIRCUser1> ok
3408[17:51:03] <ultito> read it as "Hello" :-D
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3414[17:52:23] <shmoopie> when will debian live work on efi?
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3435[18:01:02] <rappscallion> hi there. could somebody give me a little help setting up an bluetooth-keyboard? i am quite unfamiliar with bluetooth-stuff. i bought a mouse and a keyboard, the mouse worked perfektly from the beginning, the keyboard did not. i cant open gnome-bluetooth, and blueman-manager won't let me do anything. Id be happy with any solution that lets me use my keyboard.
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3451[18:07:50] <spectromas> I know this is probably a often asked question but I am confused about which iso I need to download for stable non free
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3454[18:08:26] <spectromas> and for net install
3455[18:08:47] <spectromas> debian-live-8.3.0-amd64-standard+nonfree.iso ?
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3457[18:09:27] <TomTomTosch> spectromas, do you want the non-free firmware in the installer or do you just want to access the non-free repo after installation?
3458[18:10:07] <spectromas> I want it for the installer TomTomTosch, and obviously to be able to use the non free firmware after the istall
3459[18:10:14] <TomTomTosch> spectromas, if you need the firmware for installation it's here > replaced-url
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3465[18:11:26] <spectromas> TomTomTosch: this is what is confusing me, I grabbed firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso from there and when I boot in to it it tells me it needs the firmware to be loaded from somewhere
3466[18:12:07] <spectromas> got that from current/
3467[18:12:12] <TomTomTosch> spectromas, maybe the one you need is just not included.
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3469[18:13:29] <TomTomTosch> spectromas, but you can try grabbing the firmware from packages.debian.org and installing it during or after installation.
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3471[18:14:30] <spectromas> ok TomTomTosch, I'll give that a try, seems the simplest solution for the moment. Thanks
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3475[18:15:24] <TomTomTosch> spectromas, this may help if you want it during installation. replaced-url
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3482[18:17:19] <hihou> Hello when a new version of debian is released all the content of /testing (symlink) is copied to the a new directory of the next release ?
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3487[18:19:56] * TomTomTosch thinks that's correct
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3530[18:38:55] <raspdeb2> is there such a thing as a multi interface torrent client or something like it?
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3535[18:40:34] <hihou> Hello when a new version of Debian is released all the content of /testing (symlink) is copied to the a new directory of the next release ?
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3537[18:41:20] <jhutchins> hihou: What's your actual question?
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3545[18:45:04] <ryouma> that sounded like one
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3549[18:46:20] <hihou> I want to know if the content of /testing is duplicated to a new directory when a new version is released ?
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3567[18:51:30] <jhutchins> hihou: Why? Why does the filestructure matter to you? What are you really trying to do?
3568[18:51:46] <hihou> I just want to know
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3610[19:08:36] <Fran242> Somebody knows why GFtp is not yet in Debian repos?
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3621[19:12:10] <TomTomTosch> Fran242, replaced-url
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3623[19:12:48] <Fran242> thx, <TomTomTosch>
3624[19:12:58] <TomTomTosch> Fran242, it was removed from testing 2014-10-31, jessie got frozen on the 5th of nov 2014
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3633[19:18:31] <Fran242> Does it means that it will not be in stable repos never more, TomTomTosch ?
3634[19:18:50] <TomTomTosch> Fran242, maybe for the next release.
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3636[19:19:18] <Fran242> Ok, I understand, thanks TomTomTosch
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3649[19:24:25] <Walakea> i have debian jessie 8.3 on a laptop, sometimes (once a month) my HDD gets 8 °C hotter than it should, also it looks like it has to do with using swap
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3652[19:24:54] <Walakea> i dont need to use swap, i have 8 GB of RAM and have never been above 2 GB
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3654[19:25:51] <Walakea> how do i return content of swap to RAM to see if it has to do with it?
3655[19:26:13] <TomTomTosch> you can use free to see if it uses swap at all.
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3657[19:27:13] <Walakea> it does thats why i said that
3658[19:27:33] <Walakea> 156 KB
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3665[19:29:16] <Fran242> Why do you think it's about swap, Walakea?
3666[19:29:42] <TomTomTosch> you can change swappiness if you feel like it. but it doesn't sound like an issue.
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3668[19:30:27] <Walakea> i already set swapiness to 10
3669[19:30:40] <Walakea> i would like to see if it helps
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3671[19:30:48] <Walakea> sudo swapoff -a?
3672[19:31:11] <Walakea> because my system basically never swaps
3673[19:31:36] <Walakea> now it swapped and the HDD is hotter
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3685[19:34:49] <Walakea> something is causing higher energy consumtion
3686[19:34:55] <Walakea> *consumptio
3687[19:34:58] <Walakea> n
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3692[19:35:29] <mtn> Walakea: the temp on my computer goes up and down all the time depending on what I am doing at the time. that is normal
3693[19:35:50] <Walakea> /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -novtswitch -background none -noreset -verbose 3 -auth /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-Debian-gdm-pRx5yP/database -seat
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3696[19:36:15] <Walakea> the thing is i am doing the same for weeks
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3699[19:36:53] <mtn> Walakea: you can use several tools to see what is using the processor. system monitor is an easy one to use
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3701[19:37:56] <mailto> mailto:secrgb@123.142.159.217.sta.estpak.ee
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3704[19:38:09] <jelly> mailto: are you a bot?
3705[19:38:20] <Fran242> By! Adeu!
3706[19:38:25] <Fran242> quit
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3709[19:38:36] <secrgb> mailto has to be a bot
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3711[19:38:50] <markedsea> Isn't it a protocol? :x
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3717[19:39:10] <TomTomTosch> now you've scared it.
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3719[19:39:14] <jelly> good.
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3723[19:39:56] <evin> hi
3724[19:40:03] <jelly> evin: are you not a bot, now?
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3726[19:40:29] <secrgb> i wonder
3727[19:40:59] <jelly> well... -evin- VERSION HexChat 2.10.2 / Linux 4.3.0-kali1-686-pae [i686/3.01GHz/SMP]
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3732[19:42:07] <evin> ophcrack v3.6.0
3733[19:42:09] <jelly> evin: what is your favorite color?
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3735[19:43:48] <jelly> evin: if you're not a bot, /msg jelly the answer to the question above
3736[19:43:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
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3738[19:43:59] *** jelly sets mode: +b *!*@212.175.142.140
3739[19:44:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o jelly
3740[19:44:12] <STMelon> o_0
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3742[19:44:40] <markedsea> It's purple! Please don't ban me.
3743[19:44:49] <jelly> you pass.
3744[19:44:52] <secrgb> i like green!
3745[19:44:53] <secrgb> :P
3746[19:45:04] <secrgb> and orange at time
3747[19:45:06] <secrgb> s
3748[19:45:13] <jelly> (blue would have been a similar instaban)
3749[19:45:25] <mtn> blue. wait, no, green. ahhh!
3750[19:45:36] <dontknow> wtf
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3752[19:45:54] <markedsea> Blue, no, yellow!
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3754[19:46:11] <Druid> what are you people talking about?
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3756[19:46:29] <jmcnaught> Druid: Debian just got colour support
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3761[19:47:07] <dontknow> Druid, jelly banned someone because he has no favorite color
3762[19:47:09] <Druid> jmcnaught: elaborate please
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3767[19:47:42] <jmcnaught> Druid: i'm joking, but i was also off-topic
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3769[19:48:07] <jelly> dontknow: that wasn't the reason, that was just a crude test
3770[19:48:19] <TomTomTosch> jmcnaught, that's a paddlin'
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3772[19:48:42] <Druid> 00:14 <markedsea> It's purple! Please don't ban me.
3773[19:48:43] <jelly> /j #debian-offtopic for further color discussion
3774[19:49:08] <Druid> weechat colored markedsea as purple
3775[19:49:19] <Druid> i was so confused
3776[19:49:24] <Druid> sorry jelly
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3778[19:49:55] <markedsea> Question, though. Would this be an appropriate place for GSoC related questions, or would they be better suited for the mentors/channels listed?
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3782[19:51:33] <sn0wmonster> What's GSoC?
3783[19:52:17] <TomTomTosch> asking questions about asking questions? that's a paddlin' too.
3784[19:52:28] <jelly> markedsea: you probably want to find your mentor somewhere on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org)
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3788[19:55:37] <jelly> markedsea: #debian-soc seems relevant
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3799[19:58:11] <jelly> sn0wmonster: replaced-url
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3813[20:04:04] <sn0wmonster> TomTomTosch, was that too meta? :D
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3815[20:04:08] <sn0wmonster> jelly: thanks!
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3853[20:23:05] <Walakea> what does the tracker do?
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3856[20:23:38] <firespeaker> libcurl4-gnutls-dev : Depends: libcurl3-gnutls (= 7.47.0-1) but 7.38.0-4 is to be installed
3857[20:23:40] <firespeaker> this seems wrong
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3859[20:23:59] <firespeaker> why would the dev package depend on an earlier version of the library
3860[20:24:05] <firespeaker> (this is unstable)
3861[20:24:06] <TomTomTosch> Walakea, probably track things. which tracker are you talking about? the debian security-tracker?
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3863[20:24:14] * firespeaker awaits lecture on using unstable
3864[20:25:42] <Walakea> /usr/lib/tracker/(various trackers)
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3868[20:27:57] <r6ku> Walakea: replaced-url
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3872[20:29:28] * sn0wmonster clears throat
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3874[20:29:39] <sn0wmonster> firespeaker, using unstable may be unstable
3875[20:29:50] <sn0wmonster> this concludes today's lecture.
3876[20:30:19] <firespeaker> thanks sn0wmonster
3877[20:30:23] <TomTomTosch> no it doesn't.
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3879[20:30:31] <TomTomTosch> !tell firespeaker about frankendebian
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3882[20:30:56] <firespeaker> TomTomTosch: hm, could be because of that
3883[20:31:04] <TomTomTosch> you are not using unstable, you are mixing stable with unstable.
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3885[20:31:11] <sn0wmonster> Oh god
3886[20:31:16] <sn0wmonster> That's.... awesome
3887[20:31:17] <sn0wmonster> teach it to talk
3888[20:31:21] <firespeaker> nope
3889[20:31:22] <firespeaker> it's
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3891[20:31:24] <firespeaker> replaced-url
3892[20:31:41] <sn0wmonster> "I am Debian wheejess"
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3894[20:31:49] <firespeaker> libcurl4-gnutls-dev
3895[20:31:49] <firespeaker> dep: libcurl3-gnutls (= 7.47.0-1)
3896[20:31:51] <TomTomTosch> sn0wmonster, what?
3897[20:32:01] <r6ku> firespeaker: testing/unstable support is at #debian-next on OFTC
3898[20:32:06] <firespeaker> TomTomTosch: this isn't related to mixing stuff
3899[20:32:10] <Shawn> debian jeezy
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3901[20:32:36] <firespeaker> thanks r6ku
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3903[20:32:58] <TomTomTosch> firespeaker, "but 7.38.0-4 is to be installed" that is not in sid.
3904[20:33:19] <jelly> !bat
3905[20:33:19] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3906[20:33:26] <firespeaker> TomTomTosch: ah, interesting
3907[20:33:30] <jelly> firespeaker: ^^ can you provide all of that info
3908[20:33:48] <radagalf> Hey guys. I installed the OS with full encryption, but for some reason when I boot, all I get is the boot menu and diagnostics. The boot menu just has network booth on it an an ATA. Selecting either results in nothing. I've tried booting from USB, but it seems impossible to do so
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3910[20:34:29] <jeezy> debian shawn
3911[20:35:12] <jeezy> re: <Shawn> debian jeezy
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3914[20:35:31] <Shawn> jeezy: i was making a portmanteau of wheezy and jessie
3915[20:35:45] <sn0wmonster> and a good one at that
3916[20:35:49] <radagalf> I'm just unsure as to what I can do and am desperate at this point
3917[20:36:11] <firespeaker> jelly: sure replaced-url
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3919[20:36:17] <jelly> radagalf: do you get the grub boot menu, or the bios/uefi boot menu?
3920[20:36:36] <jeezy> Shawn: nice
3921[20:36:46] * jeezy likes it
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3923[20:37:02] <laly> ciao!
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3925[20:37:08] <jelly> firespeaker: that looks like a mint installation
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3927[20:37:35] <firespeaker> jelly: I'm using a few mint packages
3928[20:37:36] <laly> lista!
3929[20:37:37] <jelly> firespeaker: mixed with debian unstable (sid)
3930[20:37:44] <radagalf> jelly I don't seem to get grub coming up at all. I think I made a mistake while partitioning that I didn't make /boot efi compatible
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3932[20:37:49] <firespeaker> jelly: it's a sid installation with some mint packages
3933[20:38:01] <jelly> firespeaker: okay, but that's completely unsupportable, you're on your own there
3934[20:38:03] <markedsea> jelly, thanks for pointing me in the right direction about soc.
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3937[20:38:16] <jhutchins> Walakea: If your system never swaps then swapping is unlikely to be causing heating.
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3939[20:38:28] <jhutchins> Caught in the scrollbuffer again.
3940[20:38:34] <firespeaker> jelly: I'm just asking if libcurl4-gnutls-dev depending on libcurl3-gnutls makes sense. it's listed as a thing in sid
3941[20:38:46] <jelly> firespeaker: it does.
3942[20:38:51] <firespeaker> okay, thanks
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3945[20:39:55] <jelly> ,v libnm0
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3947[20:40:20] <TomTomTosch> she's been gone for a few hours.
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3950[20:40:41] <radagalf> jelly: I'm not entirely sure if that is the case though. I'm worried that I'm going to be locked out for good. I know the encryption password too, I just can't seem to boot from USB or grub
3951[20:40:43] <jelly> TomTomTosch: poke me if that happens again
3952[20:40:54] <TomTomTosch> okayo
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3956[20:41:55] <jelly> ,v libnm0
3957[20:41:59] <judd> Package: libnm0 on amd64 -- sid: 1.1.91-3; stretch: 1.1.91-3
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3961[20:43:08] <julius> hi
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3967[20:45:11] <julius> ive got a lenovo t560 here, theres brightness up on the F5 key and down on F6. but just pressing F5 actiates this functions, so i cant press F5 in firefox to reload a page. the screen brightness should be changeable with Fn+F5
3968[20:45:16] <julius> where can i change that?
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3970[20:45:59] <radagalf> I know it's not a problem with the usb as I have tested it on 3 other machines
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3972[20:46:41] <jmcnaught> julius: ctrl+r also reloads pages, but i would check your BIOS for an option about the function keys
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3974[20:47:07] <jelly> julius: presumably Fn-F5 gets you to the function key F5, like on apple keyboards
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3982[20:48:48] <ultito> beer?
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3989[20:50:12] <jmcnaught> julius: on my thinkpad it's an option in the BIOS called fn key lock or something
3990[20:51:23] <gabrieldias> hi, im comming from arch and ive installed the minimun deb install, so, the debian installer dont give me the opt to install web how should i solve?
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3992[20:51:51] <gabrieldias> i cant install networkmngr with apt too
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3995[20:53:40] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: if you make a pastebin (not on pastebin.com) of the command you used and complete output someone will be able to help you
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3999[20:54:43] <gabrieldias> no no, ive just installed, how can i install some internet feature like dhcpcd or kind of ?
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4001[20:55:09] <gabrieldias> because the deb installer didnt give me the option
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4005[20:56:21] <julius> ah, bios. good idea
4006[20:56:31] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: oh i see, the installer didn't connect to the internet and leave your system configured for network access? in that case check the instructions here replaced-url
4007[20:56:32] <julius> lets reboot
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4012[20:57:31] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: did the installer ask you about missing firmwares?
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4014[20:58:06] <gabrieldias> jmcnaught: the system connected to the net properly, my problem is install the net features in the hard disk
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4016[20:59:03] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: if you cannot provide a paste can you describe the errors you get. can you ping anything? what's in your /etc/network/interfaces file?
4017[20:59:15] <gabrieldias> in the handbook they select the packages from a list with web, but in mine there isnt
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4021[20:59:39] <julius> jmcnaught, you were right. f1-f12 as primary functions keys = enabled does the trick
4022[20:59:46] <gabrieldias> jmcnaught: no, i cant because there isnt any error
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4025[21:00:04] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: no error for what? i can't see your screen
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4029[21:01:00] <gabrieldias> jmcnaught: look, my system is installed and working but without any net system, like networkmanager or dhcpcd
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4032[21:01:36] <gabrieldias> jmcnaught: my deb installer didnt give me the option to set these packages
4033[21:01:41] <TomTomTosch> the installer does not have a web task, only web server.
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4037[21:02:07] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: so you cannot for example, ping google.com?
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4040[21:02:34] <gabrieldias> i can ping, but i cant connect network
4041[21:02:47] <gabrieldias> understood?
4042[21:02:55] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: no, that sounds like magic.
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4045[21:03:14] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: which desktop/window manager do you want to use?
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4048[21:04:03] <gabrieldias> i ve install a deb system properly with the minimal disk, any
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4051[21:04:36] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: "apt-get install network-manager" to get network manager (you may also want network-manager-gnome for the nm-applet). note that in debian networkmanager ignores interface defined in /etc/network/interfaces (by default)
4052[21:04:47] <gabrieldias> ok
4053[21:05:03] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: if you can ping google, you must be connected to the internet.
4054[21:05:29] <gabrieldias> apt-get install networkmanager doesnt exist in the debian netboot
4055[21:05:44] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: you forgot the hyphen
4056[21:05:59] <jmcnaught> or dash, i guess that's not really a hyphen
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4058[21:06:17] <gabrieldias> no
4059[21:06:26] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: wait, are you still in the installer?
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4061[21:06:48] <gabrieldias> in the system i cant use network, omg
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4064[21:07:41] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: provide more details please. did you finish the install and boot into the new system? is it able to ping and therefore connected to the internet? what error messages do you get for the commands i suggest? what does netboot have to do with this?
4065[21:07:48] <gabrieldias> my problem is just install the networkmanager or something like this, how should i do this
4066[21:07:50] <jtornero> Good morning. Several problems in jessie mounting cdroms, specially audio. Automount creates strange directory into /media /(with user name)
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4068[21:08:12] <gabrieldias> im using the minimum debian installer
4069[21:08:17] <TomTomTosch> gabrieldias, he told you how to do it. if you don't give propper feedback we can't help you.
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4073[21:08:53] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: and you are still in the installer, you haven't finished installing yet?
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4076[21:09:54] <TomTomTosch> gabrieldias, you can ping, but you don't have internet. you are in the system but still using the debian installer. it makes no sense to me.
4077[21:09:56] <gabrieldias> ive already installed, but how i cant connect to network, im trying to chroot
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4081[21:10:52] <gabrieldias> im in the net installer now
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4084[21:11:14] <gabrieldias> my network is ok
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4086[21:11:35] <gabrieldias> so im going to reinstall, but i cant install networkmanager
4087[21:11:39] <TomTomTosch> then finish installing, everything you need to connect will be there. there is no web task in the debian installer.
4088[21:12:10] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: you don't really pick individualy packages while in the installer. it lets you pick a few broad tasks like "gnome desktop" or "web server". after the installation you can pick individual packages to install
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4090[21:12:37] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: i recommend you read replaced-url
4091[21:13:17] <gabrieldias> jmcnaught: its the point, my deb install inst showing this list of group packages only the core
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4093[21:13:28] <jtornero> has anyone experienced such problems?
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4097[21:14:24] <frikinz> jtornero: yes, media are mounted under /media/user/ . how is that a problem?
4098[21:14:46] <gabrieldias> jmcnaught: i ve already read this guide but it isnt telling anything about
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4100[21:15:16] <jtornero> at first, some problems installing packages. Cdrom drive is not recognized by apt (looks into /media/cdrom)
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4103[21:15:35] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: you're at the task selection screen? the options there are what are available in the installer. just select standard tools if you want a minimal system
4104[21:15:40] <jtornero> But I'm not able to read audio cd's. **sometimes**
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4107[21:16:04] <jtornero> That's why it's strange for me (also the /media/user issue is new for me)
4108[21:16:05] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: and install network manager after you reboot into the new system. or install a desktop environment to make things easier
4109[21:16:48] <gabrieldias> jmcnaught: impossible, i just cant get internet
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4111[21:16:52] <hexnewbie> jtornero: Audio CDs wouldn't be mounted at all, unless some fancy kernel driver got included and I missed it.
4112[21:17:30] <jmcnaught> jtornero: i no longer have a cdrom drive, but mounting audio CDs sounds like a desktop environment feature, like something KDE would do
4113[21:17:32] <gabrieldias> in my "task selection" i only have the standard tools
4114[21:18:15] <jtornero> hexnewbie: I used to enjoy them when I was wheezied. No way to rip them as well, K3B or whatever can't find them
4115[21:18:15] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: good. and does it fail to download packages or something?
4116[21:18:42] <gabrieldias> it installs but without internet
4117[21:19:14] <hexnewbie> jtornero: What are the permissions of /dev/sr0?
4118[21:19:24] <jtornero> hexnewbie: by the way, I'm using lxde
4119[21:19:25] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: so select a desktop to install at the tasksel screen. if you install a minimal system, it's kinda expected you'll be able to deal with that
4120[21:19:26] <hexnewbie> jtornero: In particular, getfacl /dev/sr0; id
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4124[21:20:20] <gabrieldias> i cant select any desktop, because my task list only have standard tools to select!!!!!
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4128[21:20:51] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: which installer ISO image did you use?
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4130[21:21:13] <gabrieldias> the minimum with 180mb
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4132[21:21:27] <TomTomTosch> gabrieldias, please provide the link you used.
4133[21:21:28] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: what is the file name please?
4134[21:21:34] <jtornero> hexnewbie: owner root, group cdrom, user::rw- user:portpel rw- group::rw- mask::rw. other::--- uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
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4137[21:22:18] <gabrieldias> replaced-url
4138[21:22:29] <hexnewbie> jtornero: Well, if portpel is your user, you have permissions to access the CD-ROM, yet id tells me you're root.
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4140[21:22:48] <TomTomTosch> gabrieldias, how did you create the bootable medium?
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4142[21:22:56] <gabrieldias> usb pendrive
4143[21:22:57] <hexnewbie> jtornero: If you're portpel, the CD ripping tools and k3b should work, unless the CD is scratched beyond repair
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4146[21:23:12] <TomTomTosch> gabrieldias, how did you write the iso to the usb?
4147[21:23:23] <gabrieldias> dd if=path of=/dev/sdb
4148[21:23:23] <jtornero> No, the cd's are really fresh (just unboxed)
4149[21:23:45] <hexnewbie> jtornero: What does the dmesg say?
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4152[21:24:21] <jtornero> dmesg|grep cdrom just says [ 1.789787] cdrom: Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
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4155[21:24:52] <hexnewbie> jtornero: You're looking for errors on sr0 when the disk failed to be read.
4156[21:25:00] <hexnewbie> jtornero: I mean, at the bottom of the output
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4158[21:25:21] <jtornero> and wait.... dmesg|grep CDROM throws many sr0:CDROM(ioctl) error, command : Read TOC/PMA/ATIP
4159[21:25:22] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: it sounds like you may have skipped a step or two in the installer, or it failed. use the <go back> button (the TAB key can get you there), and return to the network configuration part of the installer. do that part again. or maybe you did not select/configure a mirror for APT to download from.
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4161[21:25:58] <hexnewbie> jtornero: Also, it's possible that the *drive* is dying.
4162[21:26:12] <gabrieldias> i ve installed 2 times
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4166[21:26:36] <jtornero> yesss... but it mounts data cdrom. And this very afternoon I've ripped two of them.
4167[21:26:56] <gabrieldias> and my apt is configuring beatifully
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4172[21:27:50] <hexnewbie> jtornero: Also, is this actually a CD-ROM drive without DVD or Bluray in it?
4173[21:28:09] <jmcnaught> gabrieldias: well unfortunately i've not be able to understand your problem
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4175[21:28:21] <jtornero> it's a DVD drive
4176[21:28:21] <jtornero> But...
4177[21:28:36] <jtornero> I'm begginign to think that maybe is some sort of protection
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4179[21:28:47] <jtornero> because... this is a 5 cdrom drive collection
4180[21:28:53] * STMelon pokes jelly
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4182[21:29:27] <jtornero> and don't tell me why... but I'm able to rip disks 1,3 and five but not 2 or 4!!!!!
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4185[21:30:01] <hexnewbie> jtornero: Bing the error message. Also, are you sure disk 2 or 4 are Audio CDs? They may be something else
4186[21:30:32] <dimitry7> hey guys, here are my sources list entries and im getting the error bellow: replaced-url
4187[21:30:34] <jtornero> oh yes, absolutely sure
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4192[21:31:03] <jmcnaught> dimitry7: your paste is broken for me
4193[21:31:12] <jtornero> and in fact I'm ripping cd 5 right now
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4196[21:32:18] <dimitry7> jmcnaught, sorry, here's a new one: replaced-url
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4199[21:32:52] <hexnewbie> jtornero: Don't know then. I would retry those disks though, in case the drive is temporarily failing for some reason.
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4202[21:33:27] <TomTomTosch> dimitry7, tried using the same mirror for both?
4203[21:33:29] <jtornero> Yes, I can't see any other way... very strange this.
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4206[21:34:28] <jmcnaught> dimitry7: i think even squeeze-lts is only available on the archive.d.o at this point. also your wheezy upgrade is almost 3 years overdue
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4208[21:34:36] <dimitry7> TomTomTosch, yes, I tried using this: deb replaced-url
4209[21:34:39] <dimitry7> and the error is: E: Release file expired, ignoring replaced-url
4210[21:35:19] <TomTomTosch> ah, yes. noticed that earlier. -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false for the update
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4213[21:35:51] <dimitry7> ohh
4214[21:35:58] <dimitry7> let me try that one
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4218[21:36:58] <TomTomTosch> i guess they did not consider eol when they implemented this :3
4219[21:36:59] <jmcnaught> dimitry7: you know that unless you haven't done updates in several months there's probably not going to be anything new in squeeze-lts right?
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4222[21:37:35] <dimitry7> jmcnaught, yeah, what's archived is the only thing I'll have, but I still want to apply the last updates.
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4226[21:38:12] <dimitry7> jmcnaught, and yes I haven't upgraded cos they use here some firebird stuff, so I cant for now
4227[21:38:17] <jmcnaught> dimitry7: to prepare for your upgrade to wheezy? getting the last few squeeze-lts updates probably isn't necessary to to that
4228[21:38:37] <dimitry7> oh okay
4229[21:38:46] <dimitry7> I didn't when I upgraded the other servers
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4233[21:39:45] <jtornero> hexnewbie: Well, after the annoyance of *even* cd's problems, I've been looking around and it looks like warner classics are fond of anticopy systems. Maybe it's that kind of issue
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4236[21:40:30] <hexnewbie> jtornero: Do the disks play on a different computer, or on a stereo?
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4239[21:40:49] <hexnewbie> jtornero: It's not impossible that the disk was damaged during pressing somehow
4240[21:40:56] <asarch> Does any know where could I get the last official release of Google Chrome for x86?
4241[21:41:01] <dimitry7> TomTomTosch, in which file should I put: -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false ?
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4244[21:41:41] <TomTomTosch> dimitry7, as an argument to apt-get <here> update
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4246[21:41:57] <dimitry7> oh great!
4247[21:42:12] <tulphoon> How can i use jessie packages on testing?
4248[21:42:18] <jtornero> hexnewbie: I've to check the cd's in a stereo, of course. But just even number cd's failing...
4249[21:42:18] <TomTomTosch> dimitry7, there is a Valid-Until line in the release file. it expired.
4250[21:42:28] <dimitry7> yup
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4252[21:42:59] <tulphoon> Do i have to compile them from source, or rather just do something with repos?
4253[21:43:10] <dimitry7> TomTomTosch, thank you man! it worked, I have squeeze and squeeze-lts now :D
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4255[21:43:22] <jamesawagner3> So I was typing that stuff at 16:00, and somebody downstairs unplugged the router like a minute later. That was fun.
4256[21:43:28] <dimitry7> jmcnaught, thank you to you to jmcnaught !
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4259[21:43:50] <TomTomTosch> dimitry7, great. well.. not great. upgrade to wheezy and possibly to jessie afterwards :P
4260[21:44:02] <tulphoon> How can i use jessie packages on testing?
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4263[21:45:20] <dimitry7> TomTomTosch, yes, I'm pushing my DBAs for that, thanks :)
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4272[21:52:32] <nullbyte> jamesawagner3: typing what?
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4278[21:56:15] <mumble> hi, I just installed debian but I feel totally lost. I have the firmware .deb I need for my wifi but I can't figure out how to install it
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4280[21:57:10] <mumble> I have non free enabled in my sources list but synaptic doesn't see anything for b43
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4283[21:58:30] <jmcnaught> mumble: are you following these instructions? replaced-url
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4287[21:59:43] <mumble> Ah ok, let me start those again, thanks jmcnaught
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4335[22:29:21] <gapi> 04:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
4336[22:29:21] <gapi> 04:02.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! Game Port (rev 07)
4337[22:29:27] <gapi> and no sound
4338[22:29:44] <gapi> mixer is not muted
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4342[22:30:02] <gapi> it show dummy device
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4344[22:30:52] <gapi> any other info ask
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4346[22:31:37] <gapi> and yes Linux mate 4.4.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.4.6-1 (2016-03-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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4350[22:31:57] <gapi> stretch dist
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4353[22:32:10] <markybob> gapi: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
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4355[22:32:40] <gapi> ok thx
4356[22:32:49] <gapi> will ask there
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4412[23:08:58] <lalolilulexxx> any chan forwheezy ppc specific
4413[23:09:04] <lalolilulexxx> ?
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4416[23:10:44] <TomTomTosch> lalolilulexxx, #debianppc on irc.debian.org. not specific for wheezy though.
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4420[23:12:20] <lalolilulexxx> TomTomTosch thanx no ssl pprt 6667 pk
4421[23:12:47] <lalolilulexxx> ok?
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4425[23:13:51] <Walakea> is there a way to synchronize usb with some files on hdd in a way that only the changes would be written to usb to avoid pointless rewriting?
4426[23:14:01] <lalolilulexxx> works
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4428[23:14:35] <Walakea> is that answer for me?
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4430[23:14:41] <TomTomTosch> no
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4435[23:17:23] <jmcnaught> Walakea: you're looking for rsync. you might also be interested in git-annex.
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4439[23:18:25] <Walakea> thanks
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4475[23:34:49] <lalolilulexxx> about 10 users on debianppc :) ok, have old Lucent/Agere wlan card, support only WEP and WPA, no WPA2, get dmesg errors saying manual roaming not supported when trying to connect WEP net. same net wor…
4476[23:34:50] <lalolilulexxx> …ked during install, despite supposedly missing fw. what to do, does NM need to specify channel?
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4484[23:40:00] <simonlnu> get the firmware if you can, it'll help. the system will load it when the kernel module loads.
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4486[23:40:46] <James_T> ha, the archiving of squeeze is a mess
4487[23:40:49] <James_T> the history!
4488[23:41:07] <markybob> lalolilulexxx: the is an installer with firmware included so you do nothing. replaced-url
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4491[23:41:46] <TomTomTosch> he's not one of us, he's on ppc :P
4492[23:41:54] <markybob> oh dear
4493[23:42:06] <markybob> lalolilulexxx: don't listen to me
4494[23:42:46] <raspebs> how can I route traffic ssh traffic over wlan0 but route everthing else over eth0 -> tun0 ? Having hard time know what to search for
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4497[23:43:40] <simonlnu> lalolilulexxx: the URL is almost correct ;). just get the "powerpc" stuff :)
4498[23:43:47] <TomTomTosch> James_T, problems updating? the release file has expired for squeeze-lts
4499[23:44:09] <James_T> not updating per-se
4500[23:44:26] <James_T> the valid-until line was removed from everything except lts and backports
4501[23:44:34] <James_T> damn legacy clients
4502[23:44:41] <James_T> "but mah uptimes!"
4503[23:44:57] <TomTomTosch> but mah security risks?
4504[23:45:05] <simonlnu> TomTomTosch++
4505[23:45:16] <James_T> TomTomTosch: we tell them that, don't worry.
4506[23:45:58] <trimosier> raspebs, if you know that the traffic will be on port 22, you can use iptables rules
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4513[23:48:07] <simonlnu> lalolilulexxx: there's #debianppc on this network too
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4519[23:49:00] <lalolilulexxx> nice to hear of unofficial dists. me on powerpc arch, anyway, and (supposedly) right non free fw installed, only that it worked once without it. What is "manual roaming" when it comes to wlan?
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4523[23:49:39] <simonlnu> don't need it
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4537[23:52:41] <raspebs> trimosier: Hi do you mean like iptables -A INPUT -i wlan0 -s 192.168.1.0/24 -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT,iptables -A FORWARD --in-interface wlan0 -j ACCEPT
4538[23:52:54] <raspebs> and then iptables --table nat -A POSTROUTING --out-interface eth0 -j MASQUERADE
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4541[23:54:46] <lalolilulexxx> simonlu don't need it - me? how I turn it of, in NetworkManager i.e. ?
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4547[23:58:33] <lalolilulexxx> simonlinu me? don't need? manual roaming? how turn off then?
4548[23:59:00] <lalolilulexxx> using NetworkManager
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