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5[00:03:02] <lenswipe> BinBasher, replaced-url
6[00:03:20] <lenswipe> looks good actually
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10[00:03:54] <Geefe> How do I activate 3D acceleration on boot (grub) ? I get error msg from Gnome "Oh No. Something went wrong." ...
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16[00:05:11] <lenswipe> BinBasher, /boot is 10GB
17[00:05:15] <lenswipe> is that reasonable?
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19[00:05:47] <lenswipe> i mean...I have a 250GB SSD in there...but if theres something generating a shit load of files and clogging the disk up then i should probably address the problem rather than throw more disk space at it
20[00:05:58] <mtn> Geefe: probably a video driver problem. what video card do you have?
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22[00:06:24] <Geefe> mtn: Intel Celeron N3050 (its a cloudbook)
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26[00:07:03] <mtn> Geefe: does that card support hardware accelleration?
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28[00:07:30] <Geefe> mtn: yes, i think so...
29[00:07:57] <mtn> Geefe: in a terminal: lspci -nn | grep -i vga what does it give you?
30[00:08:23] <Geefe> mtn: i tried a specific live-cd OS to run ... but it always gives me "Oh No. Something..." also in VirtualBox on the same machine; until i activated 3D acceleration on the machine and then it booted
31[00:08:43] <mtn> Geefe: right, in vbox it does not use your real video card
32[00:09:06] <Geefe> mtn: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:22b1] (rev 21)
33[00:09:08] <cafuego> lenswipe: No, a 10 GB /boot is not reasonable.
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35[00:10:14] <TomTomTosch> lenswipe, mine is taking up 32mb right now. what files are taking up so much space?
36[00:10:55] <cafuego> lenswipe: /boot should contain one or more kernels, one or more associated initrd images and a handful of grub files.
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38[00:11:33] <mtn> Geefe: that card might need a newer kernel and intel driver to do 3d, not sure. I see quite a few problem reports doing a search
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43[00:13:24] <mtn> Geefe: here is a bug report. suggests a newer kernel. replaced-url
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47[00:14:43] <Geefe> mtn: i just wanted to try tails os on the machine ... but it gives me "Oh No. Something went wrong." after greeter.
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51[00:15:51] <mtn> Geefe: hmm, well this is debian support, not tail support
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53[00:16:37] <ceso> Hi, is someone here?
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55[00:16:44] <Geefe> mtn: I suspected missing 3d acceleration, because after reproducing the same error on virtualbox; it solved after clicking 3d acceleration in virtualbox settings
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57[00:17:06] <mtn> Geefe: yes, I think that is the problem
58[00:17:18] <somiaj> you could also use a non-gnome desktop if you dont need 3D acceleration in the vm
59[00:17:51] <Geefe> mtn: that's right; but i cant get inside this tails channel and there aint nobody replying on freenode tails channel
60[00:17:52] <jmcnaught> Geefe: you could also try Debian and see if it works properly there, or go to #tails on irc.oftc.net for Tails support
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64[00:19:09] <Geefe> mtn: is there not some sort of grub boot option i can set? to enable "fallback" or failsafe drivers? O.o`
65[00:19:22] <mtn> Geefe: no, not a grub problem
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67[00:19:48] <mtn> Geefe: and the tails channel is not on freenode, as was mentioned
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79[00:24:43] <lenswipe> cafuego, TomTomTosch I ran sudo apt-get autoclean and that freed up about a gig of synaptic packages
80[00:25:02] <lenswipe> still sitting around 9 gigs though
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84[00:25:24] <TomTomTosch> are you talking about /boot or / now?
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86[00:25:39] <cafuego> lenswipe: You didn't answer the question about what is in /boot though
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90[00:28:45] <lenswipe> cafuego, oh - i didn't see it, sorry
91[00:28:45] <lenswipe> sec
92[00:29:26] <lenswipe> config-3.16.0-4-amd64, initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64, vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64, grub, System.map-3.16.0-4-amd64
93[00:29:44] <cafuego> and that's 10G?
94[00:30:03] <cafuego> It is your rootfs 10G and /boot is not its own partition?
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96[00:30:58] <lenswipe> sec...lemme
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99[00:31:42] <lenswipe> replaced-url
100[00:32:06] <cafuego> paste the output of 'df -h'
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103[00:32:36] <lenswipe> does the location matter?
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105[00:32:54] <cafuego> Offhand I'd say you have a single 10GB / partition and 490GB of unpartioned space
106[00:33:05] <lenswipe> replaced-url
107[00:33:13] <lenswipe> yes i do
108[00:33:18] <cafuego> 10G for your entire sytem is a bit tight
109[00:33:27] <lenswipe> its not the entire system
110[00:33:37] <lenswipe> /home has a RAID1 array all to itself
111[00:33:58] <cafuego> home is just data; / is the entire system
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113[00:34:07] <lenswipe> oh so / is set to 10GB?
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115[00:34:20] <cafuego> Yep, and you don't have a separate /boot
116[00:34:20] <lenswipe> i thought it was just /boot that was 10GB
117[00:34:24] <lenswipe> oh...damn
118[00:34:27] <lenswipe> replaced-url
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121[00:34:41] <cafuego> 'du -sh /boot'
122[00:34:55] <lenswipe> ah yeah
123[00:34:57] <lenswipe> 32MB
124[00:34:58] <lenswipe> ...derp
125[00:35:07] <cafuego> herp.
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133[00:36:39] <lenswipe> is there a way to extend that partition?
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135[00:36:47] <lenswipe> without powering the system down that is
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137[00:37:02] <cafuego> I don't think so
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142[00:37:33] <lenswipe> so id need to power the system down, run gparted and expand /
143[00:37:46] <cafuego> Yep
144[00:37:49] <lenswipe> aha
145[00:37:58] <lenswipe> what's a reasonable size to give it?
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148[00:38:11] <lenswipe> should i just stretch it across the entire SSD?
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152[00:38:26] <TomTomTosch> depends on how much you want to install, doesn't it?
153[00:38:32] <lenswipe> guess so
154[00:38:45] <lenswipe> :/
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156[00:38:53] <lenswipe> oh well, thanks guys :)
157[00:38:56] <lenswipe> later
158[00:39:00] <cafuego> lenswipe: I usually create a 250MB /boot and lvm everything else, including /, so I can resize as needed)
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160[00:39:30] <TomTomTosch> or use btrfs :3
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163[00:40:29] <jelly-home> cafuego: but you probably don't let the installer's guided partitioning use 100% of the free space for /home as it is wont to.
164[00:40:50] <jmcnaught> there is this page that gives an idea of space needed, but of course lenswipe is gone: replaced-url
165[00:41:56] <TomTomTosch> i'll read it if it makes you feel better :P
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172[00:42:57] <cafuego> jelly-home: No, home goes on a different pv on raid :-)
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184[00:47:48] <TomTomTosch> hm, kde always felt bigger than gnome but apparently it's not.
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198[00:51:39] <ceso> Hi, someone is here? I have a issue with debian running on a macbook air (exactly, suspend at lid close) (sorry for the english, isn't my mother tongue)
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200[00:52:21] <ceso> I am trying somethings, but nothing works, the only thing i can do is hibernate when lid close
201[00:52:26] <mtn> ceso: lots of people are here. explain your problem
202[00:52:36] <grawity> does manual suspend work?
203[00:52:47] <ceso> but, suspend not works, also if i run echo mem > /sys/power/state
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205[00:53:10] <ceso> the output is either, the resource is busy or suspend and resume inmediatly
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212[00:54:29] <well_laid_lawn> using systemd ?
213[00:54:30] <TomTomTosch> ceso, may i ask which macbook air that is?
214[00:54:52] <ceso> yes, early 2015 (MacBookAir7,2)
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217[00:55:09] <ceso> MacBookAir7,2 is the output of dmidecode -s system-product-name
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223[00:57:59] <ceso> not work either acpi or systemd, with systemd only works hibernate
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233[01:01:26] <ceso> TomTomTosch: If i run dmesg, there is some errores about suspend
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237[01:02:02] <ceso> [ 634.259465] PM: Device 0000:00:14.0 failed to suspend async: error -16
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241[01:02:46] <jelly-home> ceso: try the stupid thing and upgrade the kernel to whatever's available in jessie-backports
242[01:03:05] <jelly-home> !bpo kernel
243[01:03:06] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
244[01:03:26] <jelly-home> !jessie backports
245[01:03:26] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
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248[01:03:56] <ceso> jelly-home: mmm, maybe a bug? the mac is running sid
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252[01:04:54] <jelly-home> ceso: sid always has bugs, you're supposed to deal with them.
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254[01:05:06] <ceso> yes, i know
255[01:05:10] <jelly-home> !debian-next
256[01:05:11] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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265[01:06:27] <ceso> but, even is stable
266[01:06:29] <ceso> against other distros
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270[01:07:17] <ceso> oh, something is i runing i3
271[01:07:21] <ceso> debian sid + i3
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279[01:08:50] <darkling> I'm trying to set up a service. This service has what looks like a perfectly good ordinary initscript. However, when I try to start it with that initscript, all I get is "[....] Starting fuseki (via systemctl): fuseki.serviceFailed to start fuseki.service: Unit fuseki.service failed to load: No such file or directory."
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281[01:09:22] <TomTomTosch> hmm, the wiki doesn't even have a profile for the macbook air 7. but i guess status for sleep/suspend gets a sad face x)
282[01:09:23] <darkling> How do I get this thing simply to run the initscript properly?
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289[01:11:50] <ceso> TomTomTosch: the last mba in the wiki, is 2014, and there suspend and hibernate is ok
290[01:12:32] <ceso> but, wifi has a x) face, however in mba 2015 works without issues
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292[01:12:54] <ceso> please, if i wrote something strange, tall me
293[01:13:06] <ceso> im still learning english
294[01:13:07] <ceso> :P
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296[01:13:30] <TomTomTosch> we all are.
297[01:13:39] <dvs> I ain't
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309[01:21:18] <ceso> suspend works out of the box even in lenny (kernel 2.6.26), haha I upgrade some package, because an acpi package was in the list, im going to reboot and test again
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318[01:26:43] <phorce1_home> themill: wins half a cookie. I had indeed accidentally used the wrong install image (i386) while trying to take my machine from wheezy-i386 to jessie-amd64. But, 2 reinstalls later it is still too many steps for using the dselect --set-selections method. I'd probably have to go wheezyi386 --> wheezy-amd64 then upgrade wheezy-->jessie. So, clean install and a slow, MANUAL, reinstall of packeges turns o
319[01:26:49] <phorce1_home> ut to be the way to go.
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324[01:29:48] * phorce1_home will probably have to reinstall again because he stupidly copied /usr/local over from the old install --- with all of the i386 stuff that no longer works
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327[01:30:57] <themill> !win me
328[01:30:57] <dpkg> Congratulations, themill! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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332[01:31:35] <themill> phorce1_home: you can filter the selections output to remove the i386-specific packages. You can probably filter all lib* packages too
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346[01:36:12] <phorce1_home> themill: I just got my nvidia dual screen back where I want it though. LOL! (Plus I discovered the reason I had this motherboard in the "backup" pile. No sound. I wondered why there was a Soundblaster lying in the same box. I really need to label used stuff better.
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348[01:36:17] <phorce1_home> )
349[01:36:51] <simonlnu> lenny?
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355[01:39:29] <phorce1_home> TomTomTosch: y'all'd've learned English quicker if it weren't such an ... interesting ... language.
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359[01:41:58] <ceso> last try, not works haha
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395[01:58:58] <ceso> TomTomTosch: maybe this helps replaced-url
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439[02:16:29] <superstraw> \part
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453[02:23:04] <N3X15_> Okay, continuation of last night: SATA hard drives, motherboard, and RAID card moved to new server chassis. OS and files are all present and /boot part has boot flag and grub2 installed, yet despite the OS recognizing the disk and it being in the boot list, it fails to find the OS.
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456[02:24:15] <N3X15> I also did a fresh reinstall of grub2 using the liveCD about an hour ago, still no dice
457[02:24:55] <N3X15> This is an older motherboard, so EFI/UEFI is not the problem.
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491[02:39:47] <zacwalls> Hey I am trying to install debian 8 jessie from a USB device. I am using the netinstall iso. And when I get to the config for internet hardware, I get an error saying the installer cant find some firmware package. I wrote down the name. It was, iwlwifi-3160-9 and iwlwifi-3160-8
492[02:39:58] <zacwalls> What can I do to fix this?
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495[02:40:38] <markybob> zacwalls: use the firmare iso that has it included. cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/
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499[02:41:53] <zacwalls> markybob, Thanks. I'll give it a shot...
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538[02:57:13] <fuan> starting debian in Virtualbox, during boot i get this message: A start job is running for LSB ; raise network interface
539[02:57:19] <fuan> and it hangs for a while
540[02:57:46] <fuan> after boot finished, i run ifconfig and got no connection. I do "ifdown eth0" and "ifup eth0" and the connection is up
541[02:58:30] <somiaj> fuan: static ip or dhcp?
542[02:58:56] <fuan> dhcp
543[02:59:11] <fuan> the first boot after installation.
544[02:59:23] <fuan> well: the first few boots ...
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551[03:01:52] <awal1> fuan, no network manager/wicd installed there?
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554[03:02:48] <fuan> nope
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557[03:03:09] <awal1> I get that message if I connect manually via interfaces
558[03:03:57] <awal1> installing wicd, networkmanager... should solve that
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560[03:04:15] <fuan> uh, well, i don't need a network manager
561[03:04:29] <fuan> this should work.
562[03:05:25] <somiaj> fuan: are you using a virtual network or a bridge. It could be that the dhcp server is not correctly responding during the bootup phase and dhclient just times out. You can swithc to dhcpcd for something that will keep trying or try to track down why the dhcp response isn't getting back in time during the boot
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566[03:06:04] <fuan> i use the "bridged" interface
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568[03:06:18] <awal1> fuan, oh, excuses. I have missed your first post; I thought you were running debian in real hardware.
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570[03:06:55] <fuan> somiaj: to use dhcpd i replace dhcp with dhcpd in the file interaces?
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572[03:07:18] <somiaj> fuan: no you install the package dhcpcd (and maybe remove dhclient)
573[03:07:26] <somiaj> fuan: it is an alternative dhcp client
574[03:07:28] <fuan> ah. ok
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576[03:07:47] <fuan> so it is rather a problem of Virtualbox?
577[03:07:51] <somiaj> but it runs as a daemon so it will keep trying in the background as opposed to dhclient will time out
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581[03:08:16] <somiaj> something with the network being ready when dhclient requests an ip
582[03:08:21] <somiaj> a static ip may be worth it too
583[03:08:54] <fuan> Yeah, i could try that.
584[03:09:01] <fuan> s/try/do
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587[03:09:44] <kingkong> hi. i received email on root like this. what should i do ? W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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591[03:10:35] <dvs> ask Christian?
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597[03:12:53] <somiaj> kingkong: we don't support deb-multimedia here so you will have to see why their wheezy sources no longer work.
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599[03:13:06] <somiaj> some here even suggest not using deb-multimedia sources
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601[03:14:21] <kingkong> their wheezy source not works anymore? all users getting same error or only me?
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603[03:14:41] <somiaj> kingkong: ask them, we don't support deb-multimedia here
604[03:15:22] <kingkong> do you know whats their irc channel if exists?
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606[03:15:35] <somiaj> !deb-multimedia
607[03:15:35] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
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609[03:15:56] <somiaj> kingkong: I'd start at their webpage for info
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615[03:19:41] <cmdbbq> I can't figure out how to make permanent the change enacted by "synclient TapButton1=1" in Debian 8
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618[03:20:57] <kingkong> thanks
619[03:21:27] <kingkong> and another email comes on root everyday as like this
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623[03:21:49] <kingkong> /etc/cron.daily/logrotate:
624[03:21:49] <kingkong> initctl: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
625[03:22:00] <somiaj> kingkong: you must have unattened-upgrades installed. You can go remove the deb-multimedia.org sources to fix it.
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627[03:22:12] <kingkong> im on debian wheezy. why i get this
628[03:22:17] <somiaj> kingkong: oh that? Are you running debian why do you have ubuntu/upstart
629[03:22:31] <somiaj> well if you are mixing repos, have you added any repos for ubuntu, if so you may be building a frakendebian
630[03:22:56] <kingkong> i dont know. last month it started to email me this. before i hadnt such email on root
631[03:23:52] * dvs calls franken
632[03:24:16] <somiaj> well Im' unsure what sort of stuff you have installed on your machine. But it is hard for us to support installs once one starts mixing repos.
633[03:24:35] <somiaj> look at 'apt-cache policy' if you have ubuntu, or other strange tird-party soruces there you could have a mess
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641[03:27:49] <kingkong> somiaj: replaced-url
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647[03:29:16] <kingkong> i dont see ubuntu in it
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652[03:30:40] <dvs> kingkong, but there's several duplicate sources.
653[03:30:48] <kingkong> and i received same error on dist-upgrade replaced-url
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658[03:32:51] <kingkong> thats my sources list replaced-url
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661[03:33:38] <dvs> yup, frankendebian
662[03:33:42] <kingkong> which one is dublicate?
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665[03:34:09] <dvs> 1 and 2 are "the same"
666[03:34:36] <dvs> and 8 makes it a frankendebian
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669[03:35:05] <kingkong> i created my sources list by help of this channel. maybe 2 years ago :)
670[03:35:11] <jmcnaught> line 8 is a deb-src, it's fine
671[03:35:15] <dvs> oh wait, my bad, it's a deb-src
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674[03:35:48] <jmcnaught> using all those third party repos though, that can break upgrades on a system
675[03:35:56] <kingkong> if i removed 1st line the problem will be solved?
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677[03:36:20] <dvs> kingkong, the release notes says to disable 3rd party repos on upgrades.
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679[03:36:40] <jmcnaught> kingkong: the original problem you have is with deb-multimedia, so remove that at least.
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682[03:37:09] <jmcnaught> kingkong: also i noticed you have pinned sysinit in your apt-cache policy output
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684[03:37:11] <kingkong> which lines are 3rd party repos? multimedia line?
685[03:37:44] <jmcnaught> kingkong: lines 5, 6, 7, are not Debian repos
686[03:37:45] <kingkong> i dont even remember why i added it. maybe it was for radio server
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690[03:38:24] <jmcnaught> you *can* use third party repos in Debian, it's just that they have the potential to break your system. sometimes the break happens later during an upgrade, not right away.
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697[03:39:32] <jmcnaught> so it's always better to try and do what you need with the 40000+ packages that Debian provides
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699[03:39:48] <dvs> not enough!
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702[03:40:36] <kingkong> how can i know which source list line effects which things on my system ?
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704[03:41:40] <kingkong> to remove deb-multimedia will cause any error or problem on my webserver, mail or radio server?
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708[03:43:10] <kingkong> jmcnaught: whats sysinit doing exactly ? its not related to debian ?
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712[03:43:44] <kingkong> i hadnt such emails before a month ago
713[03:44:29] <jmcnaught> kingkong: i meant lines 264-265 in replaced-url
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716[03:46:21] <jmcnaught> kingkong: i don't know of a whay to ask apt to show all of the packages that come from a specific repo. some commands that might help are "apt-cache policy $package". Also if you remove a repo, you can search for obsolete packages (that cannot be downloaded anymore) with "aptitude search ~o"
717[03:46:23] <kingkong> no i dont remember it. i installed pip, clamav, spamassassin on last month. maybe they did it?
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719[03:46:46] <jmcnaught> kingkong: do you mean the emails you get about deb-multimedia?
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733[03:49:50] <kingkong> yes. i meant generally. i hadnt any error or warning email on root mail before a month ago. it started to send me daily on each cron
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736[03:50:37] <kingkong> i installed pip, amavis, clamav, spamassasin a month ago
737[03:50:42] <awal1> Usually I check apt changelogs/news durring upgrades but sometimes i have no time. How to make apt skip showing changelogs/news temporally without editing apt files? An apt argument/option , I mean; I dont find it in man
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740[03:51:31] <kingkong> my system is frankendebian now?
741[03:51:33] <jmcnaught> kingkong: the email you quotes about 40 minutes ago was saying that it could not resolve deb-multimedia.org, did you get pip, clamav etc from there?
742[03:51:54] <jmcnaught> kingkong: make a paste of any emails you're having trouble understanding i guess
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744[03:54:36] <kingkong> i dont think so. where can i learn it to be sure how i got them? i was following a step by step guide.
745[03:54:42] <kingkong> Cron test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )
746[03:54:50] <kingkong> its email title
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749[03:56:08] <kingkong> /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: initctl: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused initctl: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
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752[03:56:54] <kingkong> i dont use ubuntu. but it gives error so. :)
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755[03:57:06] <jmcnaught> kingkong: check /etc/cron.daily/logrotate to see what it's doing. i don't know why it would be trying to talk to upstart.. maybe you tried using upstart at one point, and when you switched back to sysvinit you also pinned it?
756[03:57:12] <somiaj> kingkong: dpkg -l | grep upstart (do you have upstart installed)?
757[03:57:22] <somiaj> note upstart is in debian, but is ubuntus creation
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760[03:59:21] <kingkong> if i did it, i didnt do it on purpose. so i dont know if i did or not.
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766[04:00:24] <kingkong> ii upstart 1.6.1-1 amd64 event-based init daemon
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769[04:01:37] <awal1> kingkong, the output of "ps --pid 1 -f" ?
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776[04:03:05] <kingkong> its crondaily file content replaced-url
777[04:03:57] <kingkong> root 1 0 0 2015 ? 00:00:02 init
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779[04:04:20] <Mikaze> Hello. How do you find the program name to run when you install a package like gnupg-agent, and you run `man gnupg-agent` thinking something will be there, but nothing is?
780[04:04:28] <kingkong> its ps --pid 1 -f output ^
781[04:04:49] <jmcnaught> kingkong: that looks pretty normal. maybe you have a file like /etc/logrotate.d/upstart ?
782[04:05:23] <jmcnaught> Mikaze: "dpkg -L gnupg-agent | grep bin"
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786[04:06:22] <awal1> seems that something is missing in your init, kingkong, output of "stat /sbin/init" ?
787[04:06:40] <Mikaze> jmcnaught: Didn't think dpkg -l gave that much info.
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789[04:06:55] * Mikaze tries it...
790[04:06:56] <jmcnaught> Mikaze: -L not -l
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796[04:07:35] <Mikaze> jmcnaught: Sorry. Blind and can't hear caps. <laughs> Oops.
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798[04:07:51] <Mikaze> Thanks.
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806[04:11:54] <kingkong> jmcnaught: yes i have that upstart file
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808[04:12:08] <kingkong> replaced-url
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810[04:13:09] <kingkong> its output of ls for daily cron dir and logrotate. and stat /sbin/init
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814[04:14:33] <jmcnaught> kingkong: so /sbin/init is not a symlink, so you can see which package provides this file with "dpkg -S /sbin/init"
815[04:16:06] <jmcnaught> kingkong: then i guess you need to figure out why/how upstart got installed. you could run "apt-get --simulate remove upstart" to see a simulation of what would happen if it gets removed (which other packages get removed)
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817[04:16:53] <kingkong> thats /etc/logrotate.d/upstart containing replaced-url
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820[04:19:15] <kingkong> dpkg -S /sbin/init
821[04:19:16] <kingkong> upstart: /sbin/init
822[04:19:16] <dpkg> You Fool! /sbin/init is installed!
823[04:19:28] <kingkong> its output
824[04:19:32] <kingkong> :)
825[04:19:53] <jmcnaught> kingkong: so you're using upstart instead of the default (for wheezy) sysvinit
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835[04:23:21] <kingkong> yes replaced-url
836[04:23:38] <kingkong> libclamav6
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838[04:24:31] <jmcnaught> kingkong: hmm.. i bet libclamav6 is listed because some other package that depended on it is no longer installed
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843[04:25:21] <kingkong> how can i find it
844[04:25:51] <jmcnaught> kingkong: i would be careful about removing upstart without knowing how to make sure that sysvinit replaces it. i'm willing to bet that sysvinit being pinned on your system is related to upstart, perhaps you followed some instructions without fully understanding them, and now don't remember?
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846[04:26:04] <jmcnaught> !pastebinit
847[04:26:04] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
848[04:26:11] <kingkong> so, clamav installed upstart on my system ?
849[04:26:20] <jmcnaught> kingkong: ^ this is easier for everyone than screenshots
850[04:26:41] <kingkong> kk
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852[04:28:08] <jmcnaught> kingkong: no, i think something else installed libclamav6, and it's no longer installed so libclamav6 isn't needed anymore. probably the newer clamav that came through wheezy-updates
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855[04:28:32] <jmcnaught> kingkong: upstart and clamav are probably not related
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857[04:28:48] <kingkong> i was following that guide replaced-url
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862[04:30:02] <opdop> hi
863[04:30:10] <Yukiteru> hii
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865[04:30:43] <opdop> does someone know why libapache2-mod-spamhaus is not available in Debian Jessie or testing?
866[04:30:48] <Yukiteru> i have a problem with usb mount, in gui mode using thunar i can't copy files or folders from other ubication
867[04:31:00] <jmcnaught> kingkong: you could try something like "zgrep upstart /var/log/apt" to try and find which log file mentions installing upstart, and use zless to read the file and check the date it was installed for some clues
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869[04:31:11] <Yukiteru> but i can create files or folder directly over usb
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872[04:31:38] <opdop> Yukiteru: try as root
873[04:31:40] <Yukiteru> sound crazy yeahh, but it's true and the issues repeat over jessie and stretch
874[04:32:07] <Yukiteru> opdop, thanks but copy files EVER using root isn't a solution
875[04:32:29] <jmcnaught> opdop: usually because there are unfixed bugs in the package. You could look at replaced-url
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878[04:34:44] <jmcnaught> kingkong: i'm not sure how to replace upstart with sysvinit, if that's what you want to do. it might be as simple as removing the upstart package if sysvinit is also installed, but you need to make sure that /sbin/init still exists before you reboot. Not knowing why you installed upstart in the first place isn't very helpful. I didn't read the ispmail guide you linked to, but you gotta be careful following tutorials
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880[04:34:52] <opdop> jmcnaught: do you mean just bugs in the .deb pkg, not in mod-spamhaus itself, right?
881[04:34:59] <awal1> I would like try 'qingy' but a systemd unit is missing (qingy.service). Anyone has been able to run 'qingy' instead of 'getty' successfully with systemd?
882[04:35:19] <kingkong> jmcnaught: i did zgrep upstart /var/log/apt but there's no any output.
883[04:35:38] <jmcnaught> kingkong: tutorials are good for getting an overview of stuff that's involved, but it's still important to be familiar with each piece of software you're using
884[04:35:55] <jmcnaught> kingkong: maybe you installed upstart so long ago that the logs are gone now
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886[04:36:36] <jmcnaught> opdop: i didn't check the bugs, but i noticed there was one RC bug (box in top-right). RC bugs can get stuff blocked/removed from testing
887[04:36:41] <awal1> ubuntu follows debian, so upstart will became obsolete soon...
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892[04:37:07] <opdop> jmcnaught: but what about the stable Jessie?
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894[04:37:41] <jmcnaught> opdop: check the bug?
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897[04:37:48] <opdop> it's a little crazy don't have it available and be stuck with Debian 7 and Apache 2.2.x
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899[04:38:06] <opdop> well, unless you compile everything...
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901[04:38:13] <jmcnaught> opdop: testing at some point gets frozen, becomes stable. if something is blocked/removed from testing because of unfixed bugs it doesn't make it into stable
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904[04:39:26] <jmcnaught> opdop: is that module compatible with apache 2.4? if it is you might be able to backport it
905[04:39:48] <jmcnaught> judd: checkbackport libapache2-mod-spamhaus
906[04:39:50] <judd> Backporting package libapache2-mod-spamhaus in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual.
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908[04:40:16] <kingkong> jmcnaught: if i reinstall clamav it will remove libclamav6 ?
909[04:40:18] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell opdop about ssb
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912[04:41:10] <awal1> every time I run "find . | grep something (no matters what)" I get in the output "find: «./.config/gsmartcontrol»: access denied". Any clue?
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914[04:41:45] <jmcnaught> kingkong: if you run "apt-get autoremove" it will remove libclamav6. That message means it got installed as a dependency by some other package. That some other package is no longer installed, so libclamav6 isn't needed anymore.
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916[04:42:09] <opdop> If I have to play around with backports, src, etc, I prefer to compile it then...
917[04:42:23] <opdop> It's like less operations to do
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920[04:42:53] <opdop> btw thanks to link me that bug page
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922[04:43:43] <jmcnaught> opdop: it's your call. ssb is a pretty easy process to follow and you get an easily removable .deb file out of the deal. You can compile it on another jessie system or a chroot, then copy the .deb to install
923[04:44:01] <jmcnaught> opdop: it could be that the module simply is too old to work with apache 2.4
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926[04:44:52] <opdop> jmcnaught: do you have some alternative module to suggest (for the same purpose)?
927[04:45:55] <kingkong> jmcnaught: so "apt-get autoremove clamav" will remove libclamav6 and my all clamav conf too ?
928[04:46:34] <jmcnaught> opdop: i don't, but sometimes i'll check packages.debian.org for the "similar packages" on the right side-bar
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931[04:47:28] <jmcnaught> kingkong: replaced-url
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933[04:48:12] <opdop> I took a look right now at Ubuntu...apache 2.4.x and mod-spamhaus 0.7.x available
934[04:48:43] <pugfantus> kingkong: it won't get rid of your configs unless you purge as well
935[04:48:46] <opdop> so it seems the module is not too old to work with apache 2.4.x
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937[04:49:09] <jmcnaught> opdop: well i didn't read the bug that was mentioned on the package tracker, but it probably has some reasons. it could simply be that the Debian maintainer for that package simply hasn't been working on it
938[04:49:58] <jmcnaught> kingkong: why are you trying to remove clamav by the way?
939[04:50:02] <kingkong> i dont understand. shouldnt i give name what to remove. i will autoremove upstart? or clamav ? btw i will install clamav back if i uninstall it.
940[04:50:23] <jmcnaught> kingkong: read the apt-get man page section on autoremove
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942[04:53:04] <pugfantus> kingkong: autoremove is a catch all, anything it deems not needed any more by other packages, will be removed, and it will only remove what it says it'll remove
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944[04:53:40] <pugfantus> opdop: I read it, they dropped it on the floor
945[04:54:29] <opdop> pugfantus: ouch, help it to get up :D
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948[04:55:20] <kingkong> ok. if it doesnt remove my config, i can auto remove clam av to get rid of unused things as libclamav6
949[04:56:05] <pugfantus> kingkong: from the screen shot posted above, it will only uninstall libclamav6, not clamav
950[04:56:17] <jmcnaught> kingkong: you don't need to remove clamav. Try "apt-get --simulate autoremove" to see what would happen
951[04:56:27] <pugfantus> that too =)
952[04:56:30] <jmcnaught> ^ you do't need to be root to run apt-get --simulate by the way
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959[04:59:11] <cwood> Good evening. Is there already a library or application in Debian which already calculates solar time for a location? My google-fu is failing me.
960[04:59:46] <kingkong> yes it shows only libclamav6
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963[05:01:55] <jmcnaught> cwood: i did 'apt-cache search "solar time"' and it listed "sunclock - fancy clock showing time and geographical data", not sure if it's what you want
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966[05:03:01] <kingkong> ok i did autoremove and libclamav6 gone.
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969[05:04:26] <kingkong> i dont need upstart anymore ? can i remove it safely ?
970[05:04:44] <cwood> I'm not sure, it shows a picture so far. I will have to see if I can get it to give me text. So far I can get a map showing daylight.
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972[05:05:41] <jmcnaught> kingkong: i don't know how safe it is. after removing it you'll definitely want to make sure sysvinit is installed, /sbin/init exists at a minimum. Without an init your system cannot boot
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974[05:06:30] <kingkong> i dont have sysvinit installed right now already ?
975[05:06:35] <jmcnaught> kingkong: definitely worth doing a little research on. the upstart and sysvinit directories in /usr/share/doc would be one place to check
976[05:06:56] <jmcnaught> kingkong: you can check if it is installed
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982[05:08:23] <kingkong> apt-get check sysvinit ?
983[05:08:26] <pugfantus> cwood: hmmm... replaced-url
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985[05:08:51] <jmcnaught> kingkong: does anyone else admin this system with you? If you don't remember how/why upstart got installed and sysvinit got pinned, i strongly recommend you start making notes when you change things on the server, or use an issue tracking system or wiki
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988[05:09:00] <cwood> That looks promising.
989[05:09:13] <pugfantus> Yeah, looks like CRAN is like CPAN for R
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991[05:09:27] <jmcnaught> kingkong: "apt-cache policy sysvinit" or "dpkg -l | grep sysvinit"
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993[05:10:53] <cwood> Okay, I'm going to read up on this. Thank you for the pointer!
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995[05:11:30] <pugfantus> np
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999[05:12:41] <kingkong> jmcnaught: nobody else than me. i didnt install upstart myself. can you give me a guide for making issue tracking system and wiki please. it will not my all changes ?
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1006[05:15:05] <jmcnaught> kingkong: there are a lot of options and it will depend on what you prefer. for issue tracking i use redmine. my favourite wiki is moinmoin. neither will automatically track changes you make, they're systems you can use to document your infrastructure and/or keep track of things
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1010[05:15:32] <buu> Ok
1011[05:15:45] <jmcnaught> kingkong: one thing that does sort of keep track automatically is etckeeper which keeps /etc in a git or hg repo, but only keeps track of /etc
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1013[05:16:03] <buu> Why would dd if=/dev/ssd1 of=/dev/ssd2; go at only 22MB/s ?!
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1017[05:18:49] <kingkong> i will try redmine and moinmoin then later.
1018[05:18:58] <jmcnaught> buu: Big SSD wants you to buy a second ssd. Ever since their lobby gained power in Congress the SSD manufacturers have been acting with impunity.
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1020[05:19:56] <jmcnaught> kingkong: those are just two examples there are plenty others, lots of them in Debian. If it's just use, a notebook or directory of text files would be better than nothing
1021[05:20:37] <jmcnaught> buu: maybe it's because it's reading and writing to the same device simulteaneously?
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1023[05:23:10] <buu> jmcnaught: Two different ssds
1024[05:23:17] <buu> actually once is a nvme
1025[05:23:26] <buu> does linux just not utilize nvme?
1026[05:23:27] <kingkong> replaced-url
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1028[05:23:50] <kingkong> i do not have sysvinit ?
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1031[05:24:45] <buu> hope not
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1036[05:27:24] <jmcnaught> kingkong: it seems you do not, but you have it pinned which is why you cannot install it. check in /etc/apt/preferences and preferences.d and remove the pin
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1038[05:28:52] <okee> Can someone remind me how to change the real time in xfce? I am now on daylight savings time, and my computer doesn't automatically update. I am running Debian Wheezy.
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1045[05:30:49] <jmcnaught> okee: what do you have in /etc/timezone? is it correct?
1046[05:31:03] <buu> okee: ntpdate and friends usually manages it
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1048[05:32:31] <okee> jmcnaught> Los Angeles
1049[05:32:42] <jmcnaught> okee: if your timezone is set correctly your system should handle DST automatically
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1054[05:33:15] <okee> jmcnaught> Apparently it isn't set correctly, since it isn't updating automatically. What should I do? Also, It has been awhile, so please refresh me about ntpdate.
1055[05:33:40] <theamdman_> hwclock --set
1056[05:33:42] <theamdman_> ?
1057[05:33:43] <jmcnaught> okee: "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata"
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1060[05:35:46] <kingkong> jmcnaught: i dont have /etc/apt/preferences but i have /etc/apt/preferences.d/parallels including this in file replaced-url
1061[05:35:50] <okee> jmcnaught> Is that command correct? Is there a space between dpkg and -reconfigure?
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1063[05:36:04] <svetlana> No space.
1064[05:36:05] <okee> jmcnaught> I am getting a conflict error.
1065[05:36:10] <svetlana> Pastebin.
1066[05:36:19] <jmcnaught> okee: make a paste of it on replaced-url
1067[05:36:51] <jmcnaught> kingkong: what is parallels? did you install virtuozzo or something?
1068[05:37:23] <kingkong> i dont know. :)
1069[05:37:25] <jmcnaught> kingkong: from the evidence it seems that someone was pretty serious about having upstart on this system
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1072[05:37:58] <jmcnaught> kingkong: exhibit 1) upstart is installed. exhibit 2) sysvinit is pinned -1 (never install)
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1074[05:39:04] <kingkong> hi svetlana :)
1075[05:39:27] <svetlana> Hi kingkong :)
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1077[05:39:31] <okee> jmcnaught> replaced-url
1078[05:39:35] <kingkong> jmcnaught: its done by me? or its someone else?
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1080[05:39:46] <jmcnaught> kingkong: so.. there was probably a reason. we don't know what the reason is.
1081[05:40:06] <jmcnaught> kingkong: it was somebody with root access to the server. maybe a script you ran?
1082[05:40:34] <jmcnaught> okee: run it as root
1083[05:40:53] <kingkong> probably i did it while doing somethings with tutorials
1084[05:41:16] <kingkong> but indirectly
1085[05:42:19] <jmcnaught> kingkong: see maybe you have some daemon that is configured to be supervised in some special way by upstart, if you remove upstart then maybe that stops working. "parallels" makes me thing virtuozzo, but i don't know what you did
1086[05:42:22] <okee> jmcnaught> It ran as root, but didn't update Los Angeles. Interestingly Universal Time is showing correction as an option, but Los Angeles is not updating. How do I manually override this? And why is LA behind?
1087[05:42:50] <jmcnaught> okee: can you show the output in a paste, i don't follow your summary.
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1089[05:43:05] <kingkong> jmcnaught: we can remove pin and install sysvinit, remove upstart and see which things will send me errors?
1090[05:43:12] <jmcnaught> okee: is UTC incorrect? does this computer dual-boot with Windows?
1091[05:43:28] <kingkong> or we cant have boths? sysvinit and upstart together?
1092[05:43:33] <jmcnaught> kingkong: it's your server. are you taking notes? ;)
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1095[05:43:54] <okee> jmcnaught> It does dual boot with windows.
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1098[05:44:00] <jmcnaught> kingkong: you can only have one /sbin/init, but maybe upstart and sysvinit can coexist
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1100[05:44:11] <jmcnaught> !windows utc
1101[05:44:11] <dpkg> Setting the BIOS clock to <UTC> is a little more difficult if you dual-boot with legacy operating systems that think that local time is a good choice. Windows can be instructed to handle a BIOS clock in UTC too: replaced-url
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1104[05:44:37] <jmcnaught> okee: ^^ (with linux the BIOS/hardware clock should be set to UTC)
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1107[05:45:42] <okee> jmcnaught> How do i change the clock to UTC?
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1110[05:48:29] <kingkong> jmcnaught: i dont take notes. i didnt use virtuozzo. maybe my vps provider using it
1111[05:49:41] <jmcnaught> okee: with hwclock i guess, you'll have to read the man page. Also that superuser.com link ^^ for the changes you need to make in Windows
1112[05:50:20] <okee> jmcnaught> Hmm. Can't do it in ntp.conf ??
1113[05:50:55] <jmcnaught> kingkong: if you don't take notes how are you going to remember what you did during this session? If you're using some "debian" template provided by your ISP and they put that file there, you should open a ticket with them
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1116[05:52:33] <lichenx1> Does anyone know the correct way to solve this error?
1117[05:52:41] <lichenx1> libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals foundlibGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
1118[05:52:55] <lichenx1> I'm on x64 using nvidia drivers
1119[05:53:27] <jmcnaught> okee: actually i just install ntp and forget about it
1120[05:53:57] <kingkong> jmcnaught: yes its vps and debian templete provided by my vps provider. i will ask my vps provider to find it then
1121[05:54:11] <okee> jmcnaught> ntp is already installed, and not picking up the changes for daylight savings time.
1122[05:54:45] <kingkong> but i hadnt that error mails on root till last month
1123[05:54:48] <somiaj> lichenx1: how did you install the nvidia drivers and what program is giving you that error?
1124[05:55:13] <lichenx1> installed via synaptic not by .run
1125[05:55:22] <lichenx1> secondlife game
1126[05:56:33] <somiaj> lichenx1: could it be you need the 32bit libs installed for this game?
1127[05:56:53] <okee>
1128[05:57:10] <lichenx1> yes but I've tried everything that i've found
1129[05:57:16] <lichenx1> nothing seems to be working
1130[05:57:41] <lichenx1> sudo apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk ia32-libs-kde ia32-libs-sdl
1131[05:57:51] <lichenx1> says run this but doesn't work in jessie
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1134[05:58:48] <kingkong> jmcnaught: my system frankendebian now?
1135[05:58:57] <somiaj> !multiarch
1136[05:58:58] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
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1138[05:59:19] <somiaj> lichenx1: that is out dated info, in debian use multiarch, follow the instructionst he bot sent, then install the libfoo:i386 for the libaries you need
1139[05:59:54] <somiaj> lichenx1: again I'm unsure if this is the issue or not, just checking if it is a 32bit game or not
1140[05:59:59] <jmcnaught> okee: does it say LOCAL or UTC in /etc/adjtime ?
1141[06:00:37] <okee> jmcnaught> it says LOCAL
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1144[06:01:23] <jmcnaught> kingkong: if your ISP put that file there, it might have started out kinda broken. don't try to upgrade this VPS to jessie without checking with the ISP if it is possible
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1147[06:03:39] <lichenx1> somiaj, thanks I'll keep trying
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1149[06:04:42] <jmcnaught> okee: to set your hardware clock to UTC you'd need to change LOCAL to UTC, then probably do something like "hwclock --systohc --utc" (but you should definitely read the hwclock man page about those options)
1150[06:05:13] <jmcnaught> okee: you'll also need to configure Windows to use UTC, do "/msg dpkg windows utc" if you need the link again
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1153[06:05:31] <kingkong> i was thinking to upgrade to jessie from wheezy. :)
1154[06:05:35] <okee> jmcnaught> I never use windows anymore.
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1156[06:06:01] <jmcnaught> kingkong: on a VPS like that ask the ISP if it is supported first
1157[06:06:55] <jmcnaught> kingkong: if they say no, prepare for the migration
1158[06:06:55] <kingkong> vps debian wheezy templetes can not be upgraded?
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1161[06:07:14] <jmcnaught> kingkong: not if they're broken by the ISP with junk like pinning sysvinit to -1
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1163[06:07:34] <jmcnaught> *maybe not
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1166[06:08:58] <jmcnaught> sometimes an openvz/virtuozzo VPS will be using a kernel too old for newer glibc too
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1169[06:10:06] <kingkong> i have openvz which i rarely use. maybe 2-3 times used in last 2-3 years. :)
1170[06:10:26] <kingkong> but i dont know that virtuozzo
1171[06:10:36] <kingkong> i never used it
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1174[06:12:04] <kingkong> my system not frankendebian now?
1175[06:12:48] <kingkong> i must remove 1st and 7th lines from source list? replaced-url
1176[06:14:16] <jmcnaught> kingkong: line 1 duplicates line 2. lines 6,7 are third-party repos you would need to research whether you need them, whether they're safe to use
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1180[06:16:11] <MurcieLee> I've read the document about 'CreatePackageFromPPA(replaced-url
1181[06:16:59] <kingkong> how can i find if i have airtime installed right now? i remember before i installed it but maybe uninstalled later. dont remember
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1184[06:17:42] <kingkong> i remember that sourcefabric repo came from airtime installation
1185[06:17:43] <somiaj> kingkong: dpkg -l will list all installed packages so will aptitiude ~i
1186[06:17:57] <somiaj> removing the repos won't remove the packages you may have installed from them
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1189[06:18:19] <jmcnaught> MurcieLee: packages installed with "dpkg -i" that also do not exist in APT repos will not get updated by apt-get. If the package does exist in APT, it will get upgraded if the version in APT ever has a higher version than the one manually installed
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1192[06:18:53] <jmcnaught> MurcieLee: so most likely if you want to update the package you follow those steps in your link again to redo the process
1193[06:19:45] <jmcnaught> kingkong: this is the third time tonight you've been told how to check if something is installed, take some notes :P
1194[06:21:07] <MurcieLee> jmcnaught: Then what 'deb-src [URL]' makes difference? does it only provide source code for packages and not about upgrade?
1195[06:21:29] <jmcnaught> MurcieLee: deb-src lines only provide source packages
1196[06:21:51] <jmcnaught> MurcieLee: and you definitely don't want to add a "deb" line for a Ubuntu PPA
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1198[06:22:05] <jmcnaught> Ubuntu and Debian are not binary compatible
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1202[06:24:26] <MurcieLee> jmcnaught: Thank a lot. One mor question. I've read about what you told not to add 'deb' for Ubuntu PPA and I understand it. How do you install packages which not in debian repo but in ubuntu ppa? I'm currently using Debian Sid for 2years now, but sometimes I find packages such as 'moka' themes, icons...
1203[06:26:33] <jmcnaught> MurcieLee: that link you used is one of the better ways. you can also install stuff manually on Debian to /usr/local or just to one user's ~, but that also involves manual maintenance and stuff in /usr/local can interfere with upgrades
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1205[06:26:53] <kingkong> i did aptitude -i and a window appeared which i dont understand. how to quit from it? replaced-url
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1210[06:28:19] <jmcnaught> kingkong: Ctrl+T to get the menu, then Q
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1212[06:28:43] <kingkong> jmcnaught: ok i will use dpkg -l after now. :)
1213[06:28:55] <jmcnaught> kingkong: the command recommended to you was "aptitude ~i" not -i. It will be a long list, you can pipe it to grep
1214[06:30:12] <kingkong> i dont use znc 0.206-2 but using znc 1.7.x now. i dont know why it shows me znc 0.206-2 on the list
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1217[06:31:39] <jmcnaught> kingkong: paste "apt-cache policy znc"
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1219[06:33:41] <kingkong> i did aptitude ~i first but it said me unknown command ~i
1220[06:33:55] <kingkong> and gave me aptitude help
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1222[06:34:16] <jmcnaught> kingkong: heh sorry "aptitude search ~i"
1223[06:34:44] <jmcnaught> kingkong: replaced-url
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1225[06:35:35] <jml2> !version
1226[06:35:35] <dpkg> Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian suite>.
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1228[06:36:22] <jmcnaught> jml2: the topic has examples of how to query the bot privately
1229[06:36:25] <MarvelDigital> installed the most recent version of Debian...Thank you all those involved...i really like it...
1230[06:37:18] <kingkong> about znc replaced-url
1231[06:38:18] <jmcnaught> kingkong: that means znc was not installed with a package, but some other way instead. commands which, whereis, locate will help you find znc
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1234[06:39:03] <swift110-phone> Hey
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1237[06:39:26] <jmcnaught> kingkong: fairly recently jugding from znc --version
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1242[06:40:49] <Hermaeus-mora> alot of people in here
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1245[06:44:57] <kingkong> but why i have znc 0.206-2 on this screenshot ? i installed latest nightly of znc. i have still old version files? replaced-url
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1250[06:46:02] <kingkong> i dont have airtime. i see that sourcefabric repo not needed too
1251[06:46:30] <jmcnaught> kingkong: apt only manages and knows stuff from apt repos. if you install something from source, apt doesn't know about it
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1255[06:48:16] <Hermaeus-mora> pencilandpaper: there you are hiding
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1263[06:50:05] <MurcieLee> jmcnaught: Are you using debian wheezy?
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1266[06:50:33] <jmcnaught> MurcieLee: no, why?
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1268[06:50:42] <kingkong> i should manually remove znc 0.206-2 from my system?
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1270[06:51:03] <MurcieLee> jmcnaught: Oh Sorry. msg was for kingkong
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1274[06:51:26] <jmcnaught> MurcieLee: where do you see that znc 0.206-2 is installed?
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1276[06:51:53] <MurcieLee> kingkong: On debian wheezy repos, znc's version is 0.206-2 on replaced-url
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1282[06:53:37] <MurcieLee> I think it is possible be installed znc-extra, znc-python 0.206-2 from debian wheezy repos
1283[06:53:58] <jmcnaught> heh sorry i did it too. kingkong: where do you see that znc 0.206-2 is installed?
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1286[06:55:35] <MurcieLee> kingkong: check and paste 'apt-cache policy znc' as jmcnaught said.
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1289[06:56:45] <kingkong> i pasted it
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1293[06:57:10] <MurcieLee> kingkong: what version does it shows your?
1294[06:57:41] <kingkong> about znc replaced-url
1295[06:57:56] <jmcnaught> kingkong: replaced-url
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1297[06:58:13] <jmcnaught> the Candidate is the version that would get installed if you install it
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1299[06:58:39] <kingkong> so i dont have old version
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1301[06:59:01] <kingkong> my new source list replaced-url
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1303[06:59:04] <jmcnaught> kingkong: you would really benefit from reading replaced-url
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1306[06:59:51] <kingkong> i readed that page before. :)
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1314[07:02:55] <kingkong> dont forget to take notes. :)
1315[07:03:10] <jmcnaught> kingkong: that's the spirit!
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1317[07:05:27] <kingkong> MurcieLee: yes im on debian wheezy
1318[07:05:32] <jmcnaught> kingkong: what i do is sorta like this. i don't log into my servers directly, everything is installed/configured by ansible-playbook. I keep my playbook in a Git repository, it contains something like scripts that install and set up all my server software. I test my Ansible playbooks extensively before I deploy them to production, and can easily review history by reviewing the git log and previous commits
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1320[07:06:07] <jmcnaught> kingkong: it might sound like a lot, but it's way less work and stress in the long run than doing everything by hand.
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1322[07:06:41] <kingkong> after edited sorces list, immediately takes effect or i should reload somethings ?
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1326[07:07:36] <jmcnaught> kingkong: since you're running a mail server on the internet, it's also important that you learn the basics of operating your server. it would be a really good idea to read the debian reference, and the documentation for all the server software you're using
1327[07:07:48] <jmcnaught> kingkong: after change sources.list you need to run "apt-get update"
1328[07:07:52] <MurcieLee> kingkong: you should 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
1329[07:08:12] <MurcieLee> but I think your source.list is bit broken.
1330[07:08:46] <MurcieLee> not sure. why did you set sid to your deb-src?
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1332[07:08:59] <jmcnaught> dist-upgrade is usually not necessary. on a server it's better to do "apt-get upgrade" because that will never remove any packages. if it says that packages were held back, you can investigate using dist-upgrade
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1335[07:10:08] <MurcieLee> jmcnaught: Does 'dist-upgrade' removes packages?
1336[07:10:32] * zykotick9 notes "apt upgrade" won't remove anything, and should upgrade almost everything
1337[07:10:45] <somiaj> MurcieLee: dist-upgrade will add/remove packages inorder to solve dependencies. Upgrade will not install any packages in which adding/removing packages is needed to meet the dependencies
1338[07:10:49] <awal1> Murciele, under testing/unstable yes
1339[07:11:30] <awal1> but under s'stable' upgrade or dist-upgrade/full-upgrade does same thing
1340[07:11:36] <MurcieLee> oh, didn't know that.
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1342[07:12:14] <awal1> no new packages are introduced into stable , usually security/stability fixes
1343[07:12:16] <themill> well, there are updates in stable that will require the installation of new packages too -- either via "apt ugprade", "apt-get dist-upgrade" or "aptitude full-upgrade"
1344[07:12:27] <kingkong> jmcnaught: i first time heard ansible playbook. its hard to learn and use?
1345[07:13:01] <awal1> I forgot to say 'almost' :P
1346[07:13:12] <themill> (They are incredibly rare, but they do happen; we'll probably have one in the next few weeks with iceweasel→firefox)
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1350[07:14:06] <somiaj> also running the backports kernel will need dist-upgrade when the next kernel drops into backports
1351[07:14:08] <jmcnaught> kingkong: pretty easy to get started with, there are other options too like puppet, chef, saltstack. worth checking out.
1352[07:15:52] <kingkong> jmcnaught: but on internet i readed before that its better to use dist-upgrade instead of upgrade. i dont see any difference yet while using both
1353[07:16:23] <awal1> kingkong, so you have sid packages in your old stable?
1354[07:17:18] <jmcnaught> kingkong: there was just a discussion about it in here over the last 10 minutes
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1356[07:17:31] <themill> ('oldstable' also in the sense that "it used to be stable")
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1359[07:20:42] <kingkong> jmcnaught: ok i will try to learn playbook and similar. can i use connect it from android device?
1360[07:21:10] <jmcnaught> kingkong: i doubt it
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1362[07:21:28] <kingkong> MurcieLee: before i needed that sid for something which i dont remember now why. :)
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1364[07:22:45] <kingkong> awal1: it was stable when i added sid source for something
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1368[07:23:52] <somiaj> kingkong: you could have artifcats floating around from all this stuff you have done. Id suggest thinking about maybe moving to a jessie vps to start with a clean base.
1369[07:26:02] <kingkong> sorry my irc app frozen and had to restart. can you repeat your last message which you sent after my latest one please
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1371[07:26:13] <somiaj> kingkong: you could have artifcats floating around from all this stuff you have done. Id suggest thinking about maybe moving to a jessie vps to start with a clean base.
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1373[07:28:22] <jmcnaught> kingkong: ^ is a very good suggestion. maybe also test your setup on a spare computer or virtual machine first too, so you don't have to experiment on the VPS
1374[07:28:30] <kingkong> i will upgrade to jessie but not with clean base. i will not have time to do everything again from zero
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1378[07:30:05] <kingkong> i dont have computer. using tablet pc
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1381[07:31:11] <kingkong> jmcnaught: my current setup ? or next system setup ?
1382[07:32:05] <kingkong> jessie is much different than wheezy ?
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1388[07:34:51] <jmcnaught> kingkong: replaced-url
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1394[07:40:33] <kingkong> can i simulate my current wheezy upgrade to jessie or above ?
1395[07:41:03] <Lope> On Raspbian Jessie the way to define a static IP is no longer inside /etc/network/interfaces. Now you define a DHCP static IP (seems like an oxymoron to me) inside dhcpcd.conf. Seems absolutely insane. Is this a Debian change, or Raspbian specific?
1396[07:41:38] <Lope> It's like defining your dog inside cat.conf.
1397[07:41:49] <jmcnaught> kingkong: by duplicating your system on a test/staging server, and testing it
1398[07:42:21] <themill> Lope: /e/n/interfaces is still the way to define static IPs in jessie and I doubt raspbian changes that. You could as #raspbian about that.
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1401[07:43:01] <Lope> Worse. It's like defining weekend-activities inside weekends.conf.
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1403[07:43:27] <Lope> i mean weekday-activities inside weekends.conf.
1404[07:43:42] <kingkong> jmcnaught: but the test server shouldnt have the same specs like my current one ?
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1406[07:44:21] <Lope> themill: replaced-url
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1408[07:44:29] <Lope> There's a lot of info about it online now.
1409[07:45:37] <themill> There's a lot of crap on the internet, yes.
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1411[07:49:26] <kingkong> where can i find this channel's logs?
1412[07:49:45] <themill> kingkong: /topic
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1417[07:52:26] <OsakaFoo> What's the deal with the Debian wiki, seems to have old info and part made, covering all versions of Debian, is there some method to the madness?
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1419[07:52:56] <Lope> themill: Many people saying it. Not just one. Gentoo also describes how to set a static IP with dhcpcd: replaced-url
1420[07:53:02] <themill> OsakaFoo: it's a wiki; it relies on volunteers like you to update it.
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1422[07:53:45] <themill> Lope: I'm not saying that you can't make dhcp leases permanent allocations if you wanted.
1423[07:53:52] <OsakaFoo> themill: how do you gain access, is there an overlord who decides the rules?
1424[07:54:03] <themill> OsakaFoo: create an account
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1426[07:56:57] <Lope> themill: This problem I had with dhcpcd interfering with my static IP assignment... would it also happen on debian? replaced-url
1427[07:56:57] <OsakaFoo> Was worried you'd say that.. There goes the rest of my day :)
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1429[07:58:09] <themill> Lope: why are you using dhcp if you want a static IP? Anyway #raspbian is the place to ask about configuring raspbian. #debian doesn't have a clue what you're talking about...
1430[07:58:17] <jmcnaught> Lope: when in doubt about stuff you read on the internet, you can consult your local documentatio. "man interfaces" if you don't believe that /e/n/i is no longer how to configure static IP. If Raspbian is different, it's because derivatives are not the same as Debian. For Raspbian support go to #raspbian
1431[07:58:43] <Lope> themill: I'm not using DHCP. DHCP imposed itself on me when I asked for a static IP inside /e/n/interfaces
1432[07:58:50] <themill> no.
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1773[08:20:40] <MurcieLee> replaced-url
1774[08:20:41] <MurcieLee> this link says that I should edit debian/control but I'm not sure which file it is talking about. Any ideas?
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1778[08:21:23] <themill> MurcieLee: quite literally 'debian/control'
1779[08:21:41] <themill> MurcieLee: what are you trying to achieve?
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1781[08:22:12] <MurcieLee> themill: I'm following on replaced-url
1782[08:22:56] <MurcieLee> but when I 'apt-get source --build' error occurs and it says I should use dh_python2 instead
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1784[08:23:44] <themill> ah... you probably want to work with the PPA maintainer to fix up the packages then.
1785[08:23:45] <MurcieLee> Where does 'debian/control' exists?
1786[08:24:10] <themill> You'll need to download the source package to edit it and then build it.
1787[08:24:33] <themill> !package recompile
1788[08:24:33] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
1789[08:24:55] <themill> You'll probably need to learn some more about packaging though. /msg dpkg nmg
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1793[08:26:25] <MurcieLee> are 'debian/control', 'debian/rules' file?
1794[08:26:38] <themill> yes
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1797[08:27:00] <MurcieLee> where are those file extsts? path...
1798[08:27:06] <themill> in the source package
1799[08:27:10] <themill> that *is* the path
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1803[08:28:06] <MurcieLee> OK. I found it!
1804[08:28:08] <MurcieLee> Thank you
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1806[08:28:47] <MurcieLee> I thought it is located on something like /etc/apt/blah...
1807[08:29:37] <themill> no, a source package can be located anywhere on your filesystem where you want to work
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1862[08:50:37] <hfzehg> ,v gnome-shell-extensions-openweather
1863[08:50:38] <judd> No package named 'gnome-shell-extensions-openweather' was found in amd64.
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1877[08:55:11] <hfzehg> any idea when gnome-shell-extension-weather will be updated in stable? gnome depends on it so wouldn't I have to backport gnome entirely in order to upgrade it?
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1892[08:59:01] <N3X15> Just found a rogue program running on my dedi after receiving a bandwidth overload warning from my host
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1894[08:59:22] <N3X15> Anyone familiar with anything that runs as /tmp/is that infects Jenkins instances?
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1910[09:06:57] <simonlnu> sounds like a rootkit... :/
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1913[09:07:20] <N3X15> Well, it's a pretty crappy one, since it only had privileges to get to Jenkins
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1915[09:08:28] <nkuttler> N3X15: try askin in #jenkins?
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1917[09:08:50] <N3X15> I'll give that a shot, thanks
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1988[09:36:36] <timotheusbooth> hey everyone im new to debian, and the package management is kind of confusing.. where is the package for NFS? theres nfs-common which says it comes from nfs-utils but no nfs-utils?
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1993[09:38:20] <XeonSquared> timotheusbooth: nfs-common is the one you want to mount NFS
1994[09:38:51] <timotheusbooth> so does nfs-common have a nfs server and client?
1995[09:39:38] <XeonSquared> nfs server is nfs-kernel-server I do believe
1996[09:40:47] <timotheusbooth> no nfs-kernel-server here. i searched nfs too but couldnt find anything.. will have a look on the web now that my browsers downloaded
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1998[09:41:49] <XeonSquared> sitting in front of an arch box rn so lemme ssh in
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2000[09:42:18] <XeonSquared> $ apt-cache search nfs server
2001[09:42:21] <XeonSquared> ...
2002[09:42:23] <XeonSquared> nfs-kernel-server - support for NFS kernel server
2003[09:42:24] <XeonSquared> ...
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2007[09:48:52] <timotheusbooth> nope nothing here.. maybe i need some different repos? idk debian is confusing lol
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2010[09:52:30] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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2023[10:02:38] <ghostinzshell> How should I go about installing grsec for Debian Jessie (stable)?
2024[10:02:46] <ghostinzshell> Would I have to build it manually?
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2029[10:04:28] <mika--1> Morning
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2032[10:05:49] <mika--1> i use now peppermintos it is ubuntu base with lxde, before i use ubuntu and before that redhat and suse. i use linux now for 15 years
2033[10:06:12] <mika--1> what i hate the most is reinstall everytime when there is a new version
2034[10:06:27] <mika--1> now i am looking for a rolling distro
2035[10:06:31] <mika--1> anyone a idea
2036[10:06:33] <mika--1> ?
2037[10:06:49] <TheQuestionmark> Sid.
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2039[10:07:12] <mika--1> debian sid is rolling?
2040[10:07:26] <TheQuestionmark> Pretty much.
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2042[10:08:04] <TheQuestionmark> Testing's semi rolling too.
2043[10:08:05] <mika--1> ok i go look for that.. so it can be installed for years,
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2047[10:08:32] <mika--1> i was look for arch but i can not use with it
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2049[10:08:52] <jonbryan> use what with it?
2050[10:08:54] <mika--1> but sid is the same idea as arch ?
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2056[10:09:47] <mika--1> jonbryan: i can not get use with it, it feels strange when you use ubuntu base for 10 years
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2060[10:10:25] <TheQuestionmark> It's still Debian so it is sort of different but if you mean teh packages... yup
2061[10:10:26] <mika--1> arch is to much diff with ubuntu/debian
2062[10:11:04] <mika--1> i give debian a look, with lxde,
2063[10:11:22] <mika--1> arch is bedian ?
2064[10:11:27] <mika--1> debian
2065[10:11:36] <mika--1> i was think ubuntu was close to debian
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2067[10:12:25] <jonbryan> arch is not debian
2068[10:12:35] <jonbryan> if you're used to ubuntu, you will have no problems with debian
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2071[10:14:12] <mika--1> jonbryan: thx then i go look at debian sid
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2090[10:16:41] <Iridos> mika--1, what is the idea with arch?
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2095[10:17:45] <ghostinzshell> Are there any Linux images with grsec enabled for Debian Jessie (stable)?
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2103[10:19:33] <Iridos> no. There is a linux-patch-grsecurity2 package with instructions on how to apply, though
2104[10:19:45] <ghostinzshell> Oh, okay.
2105[10:19:47] <Iridos> dpkg, grsec
2106[10:19:48] <dpkg> grsecurity is a patch set to enhance Linux kernel security: provides an ACL system, auditing capabilities and institutes measures to prevent common system exploits. Packaged for Debian as linux-patch-grsecurity2, read /usr/share/doc/linux-patch-grsecurity2/README.Debian to apply. replaced-url
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2108[10:20:31] <ghostinzshell> Iridos: Would you happen to know the future status of Grsec for Debian? They've discontinued supplying stable builds to the public iirc.
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2111[10:21:01] <Iridos> judd, versions linux-patch-grsecurity2
2112[10:21:03] <judd> Package: linux-patch-grsecurity2 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.1.14+2.6.32.13-201005151340-1; wheezy: 2.9.1+3.2.21-201206221855-1; jessie: 3.0+3.14.22-201410250026-1; sid: 3.0+3.14.22-201410250026-1; stretch: 3.0+3.14.22-201410250026-1
2113[10:21:24] <ghostinzshell> Huh, they're all from 2014.
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2115[10:22:57] <Iridos> well, jessie is from begin of 2015... half a year of freeze.. sounds about right
2116[10:22:57] <themill> ,v linux-image-4.3.0-1-grsec-amd64
2117[10:22:59] <judd> Package: linux-image-4.3.0-1-grsec-amd64 on amd64 -- sid: 4.3.5-1+grsec201602070910+1
2118[10:23:03] <Iridos> oh, there is?
2119[10:23:12] <Iridos> but only in sid
2120[10:23:24] <themill> (not in jessie, but you should be able to drag a kernel around)
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2123[10:24:01] <themill> If you're happy enough to try breaking things with grsec, you should be happy enough breaking things by trying a kernel from sid
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2125[10:24:08] <Iridos> heh
2126[10:24:11] <jonbryan> lol
2127[10:24:36] <rozie> non-grsec kernel version from sid installs clearly on jessie and works OK (at least for me)
2128[10:24:40] <Iridos> yeah, sorry. I'm on jessie myself, so I don't see stuff in sid
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2133[10:26:39] <chele> ,v apt
2134[10:26:40] <judd> Package: apt on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 0.8.10.3+squeeze7; wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.2; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.9.8.3; sid: 1.2.6; stretch: 1.2.6
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2160[10:36:57] <jelly-home> ,v publicsuffix
2161[10:36:58] <judd> Package: publicsuffix on amd64 -- jessie: 20140902-1; sid: 20160130-1; stretch: 20160130-1
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2166[10:38:19] <jelly-home> that... probably ought to be in volatile.
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2168[10:38:56] <themill> make it so!
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2171[10:39:35] <jelly-home> LookingForSponsor
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2174[10:40:44] <themill> Raise it with the RT and if they ack it, you'll get a sponsor PDQ
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2179[10:43:51] <Iridos> you're speaking in acronyms, not to say riddles
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2181[10:44:14] <Iridos> dpkg, pdq
2182[10:44:14] <dpkg> well, pdq is an AWESOME printing system for unixlike operating systems, see replaced-url
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2184[10:44:31] <Iridos> yeah, makes sense
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2187[10:45:23] <jelly-home> !rt
2188[10:45:23] <dpkg> The PREEMPT_RT (linux-rt) realtime patch set allows for nearly all of the Linux kernel to be preempted, which may help achieve better low-latency behavior in some environments. Since August 2011, the Debian Kernel Team produce binary packages including this patch set, for the amd64 (linux-image-rt-amd64 metapackage) and i386 (linux-image-rt-686-pae metapackage) architectures. replaced-url
2189[10:45:35] <lesta> like they say in negeria......They come they go
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2191[10:45:47] <lesta> sorry, wrong channel
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2193[10:46:54] <brunus> Hi all
2194[10:47:33] <jonbryan> lmao where is negeria
2195[10:47:36] <jonbryan> brunus: good morning
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2197[10:47:50] <plasmoduck> Hey guys whats wrong with the shadows on everything and how do I fix it please? replaced-url
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2199[10:48:13] <brunus> since this morning my mouse's cursor disappear when hovering Gnome dash, top bar or tray. Debian Testing. Anyone had this prob also ?
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2201[10:48:36] <jonbryan> plasmoduck: looks normal to me, what's wrong with them?
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2203[10:48:55] <plasmoduck> brunus, Debian Testing isn't supported here, irc.oftc.net #debian-next
2204[10:49:09] <brunus> ho thanks plasmoduck and sorry
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2207[10:49:34] <plasmoduck> jonbryan, the shadows are squared and not smoothed and blended.
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2211[10:51:17] <jonbryan> they used to be normal?
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2225[10:57:25] <afx237> Does anyone know where the Debian policy is written that determines which scenarios stable packages get upgrades? I'm having trouble finding it. I'm talking about the upgrades that happen during the lifetime of a single stable major release. (i.e. nothing to do with testing etc) e.g. This is Ubuntu's version of what I'm looking for: replaced-url
2226[10:57:36] <plasmoduck> jelly-home, oops forgot I was on testing on this box.
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2269[11:23:44] <joff> guys
2270[11:23:55] <joff> how can I calculate a product in bash?
2271[11:24:11] <rozie> what is a product?
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2274[11:24:21] <rozie> (example pls)
2275[11:24:24] <joff> like say I want to calculate a product of k/2 from k=0,...,73
2276[11:25:21] <rozie> echo $[2*3]
2277[11:25:30] <rozie> or bc
2278[11:25:54] <joff> the point is that I dont want to type in by hand
2279[11:26:11] <Ymarg> moin
2280[11:26:13] <rozie> both can be used in scripts
2281[11:26:17] <joff> 1/2 * 2/2 * 3/2 * ... * 73/2
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2284[11:28:01] <jelly-home> joff: product of 0/2 * 1/2 * ... 73/2 is 0, don't have to calculate it!
2285[11:28:14] <joff> ... *WITHOUT* the zero
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2287[11:28:58] <jelly-home> joff: also, bash doesn't deal with large numbers well
2288[11:29:00] <MrHyde_> joff: for i in {0..73}; do echo "$i*2" |bc ; done
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2290[11:29:42] <joff> wtf I have python here
2291[11:29:42] <joff> lol
2292[11:29:51] <joff> what am I doing
2293[11:30:01] <pfote> hehe
2294[11:30:11] <pfote> ipython ftw!
2295[11:30:23] <jelly-home> at least that one has bignum.
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2298[11:30:37] <joff> I_DONT_CARE about bignums
2299[11:30:49] <joff> I am happy with double precision
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2314[11:36:51] <deepy> Is there any application that returns the specified exit code?
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2316[11:37:00] <Iridos> joff, bash isn't really much suitable for calculations. This is really a question for #bash. And what they would answer is with bashfaq 022: replaced-url
2317[11:37:02] <mika--1> is there no 686 architectuur for debian sid ?
2318[11:37:52] <Iridos> joff, so the bash answer is: bash doesn't do that, use a program. The debian answer is to install apcalc
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2321[11:39:00] <mika--1> hmm sid dont have security updates ?
2322[11:39:04] <mika--1> Please note that security updates for unstable distribution are not managed by the security team. Hence, unstable does not get security updates in a timely manner. For more information please see the
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2327[11:40:24] <Iridos> it does get security updates via the normal mechanism of new versions in... there is just no dedicated security team/effort
2328[11:41:06] <mika--1> ok so no worry about that ?
2329[11:41:47] <Iridos> well... it depends on the maintainer, if he uploads a new version with fixes?
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2333[11:42:41] <Iridos> and so you cannot really rely on it for every package?
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2335[11:43:16] <Iridos> deepy, every program?
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2339[11:43:47] <deepy> Iridos: more like, I want to give it a specific code to return
2340[11:44:32] <Iridos> /bin/true and //bin/false?
2341[11:44:43] <mika--1> Iridos: but use stable gives me reinstall every 6 months ?
2342[11:44:47] <mika--1> like ubuntu
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2344[11:45:02] <Iridos> mika--1, no
2345[11:45:35] <mika--1> rename sourcelist and dist-upgrade works ?
2346[11:45:40] <Iridos> there are no reinstalls needed whatsoever if one doesn't want to... and new stable releases come out every 2-3 years
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2348[11:45:55] <mika--1> becasue in ubuntu it give problems a few years back
2349[11:46:39] <mika--1> i go read more and look what i gona do
2350[11:46:47] <Iridos> usually a little more than that... but upgrades can be pretty smoothly, supposing one doesn't mix non-debian packages in and maybe waits a little until the new stable is released
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2352[11:47:26] <Iridos> at least my last wheezy->jessie was decidedly unexciting
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2354[11:50:03] <mika--1> So what is smart, i use links now for 15 years, start with suse and redhat to test, the come to ubuntu and stay for 5 years i think. nog i user peppermintos for a few years and love it but hate the install every time
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2357[11:50:44] <mika--1> when i look around i still like lxde and cinnamon
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2360[11:51:04] <mika--1> so debian stable fits me also then ?
2361[11:51:17] <Iridos> dunno... I used redheat like... 1998... then suse until maybe 2000/2001... then switched to debian and saw no reason to change since then
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2363[11:51:44] <mika--1> and you use stable ?
2364[11:51:57] <Iridos> debian stable is perfect to get work done on a system without having to fix any new-software bugs in between releases
2365[11:52:12] <mika--1> with what desktop ? gnome kde ?
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2367[11:52:23] <Iridos> if you think you need the very newest version of every software, debian stable is not for you
2368[11:52:45] <Iridos> right now? lxde... that seems to work reasonably ok
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2378[11:56:05] <Iridos> between releases, no new versions of packages go into debian-stable, only bugfixes
2379[11:56:22] <Iridos> and of those mostly security bugfixes
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2387[11:59:17] <Iridos> newer versions of *some* packages is provided via volatile (now debian-updates, I think) or backports... or one can (sometimes pretty easily) backport from testing or unstable
2388[11:59:29] <vasundhar_> Hi All, What modifies resolv.conf ? it seems to refresh everytime I restart , and it has ovh specific DNS in the nameserver directive
2389[11:59:49] <vasundhar_> I don’t see any mention of ifcfg-eth0 or likes in network scripts
2390[12:00:07] <Brigo> vasundhar_, are you using dynamic ip?
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2393[12:00:22] <Iridos> vasundhar_, unfortunately... possibly all kinds of things. dh_client would be one
2394[12:00:28] <Iridos> well
2395[12:00:32] <Iridos> !next
2396[12:00:32] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2401[12:03:18] <evil_shibe> i installed debian testing - why it's slower than stable?
2402[12:04:09] <DrOwl> Hi All, im running xfce on 8.3, on a laptop And i keep getting notifications from the power manager saying "your battey is fully charged", like every 30 seconds, how do i stop that?
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2407[12:05:10] <plasmoduck> Hey guys whats wrong with the shadows on everything and how do I fix it please? replaced-url
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2415[12:07:15] <evil_shibe> plasmoduck: try rm -rf /
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2418[12:08:33] <plasmoduck> evil_shibe, um, no.
2419[12:08:52] <evil_shibe> why
2420[12:09:19] <plasmoduck> I won't fall for your trollish trickery.
2421[12:09:38] <evil_shibe> \:(
2422[12:09:39] <evil_shibe> :(
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2425[12:10:01] <evil_shibe> what is big differences between debian testing and ubuntu?
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2430[12:13:07] <ewew> plasmoduck Which distribution are you using ? debian or ubuntu ?
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2444[12:18:45] <evil_shibe> i have question to all users: you like cannonical?
2445[12:19:02] <evil_shibe> i think it's a company for earn cash from free debian project
2446[12:19:08] <evil_shibe> *who want earn
2447[12:19:10] <karlpinc> evil_shibe: That's for #debian-offtopic
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2449[12:19:38] <evil_shibe> i need all #debian-NAMES channel list
2450[12:19:41] <mika--1> Iridos: ok understand, i wil a steble system what i can use for everyday and i hate to reinstall because linux keep working
2451[12:19:42] <evil_shibe> where i can find it?
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2453[12:20:05] <karlpinc> evil_shibe: At debian.org
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2463[12:23:21] <evil_shibe> henryk1: you here?
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2475[12:26:44] <mika--1> Iridos: use lvm partitions ?
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2478[12:27:03] <mika--1> or is that only for raid
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2482[12:28:32] <mika--1> normal i use lvm not
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2509[12:37:40] <vasundhar> @Brigo No It is static IP from OVH part of the plan
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2513[12:38:19] <vasundhar> Brigo: ^
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2531[12:42:25] <Brigo> vasundhar, OVH?
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2533[12:43:32] <vasundhar> OVH is the cloud provider
2534[12:43:42] <vasundhar> replaced-url
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2538[12:44:23] <armin> hi. is there a usable jabber client for KDE? could be gtk2/gtk3 too as long as it isn't pidgin, but qt would be prefered. OTR support is a must, desktop notifications too. any recommendation would be welcome.
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2542[12:45:01] <vasundhar> armin: any reason why not pidgin ?
2543[12:45:04] <Brigo> vasundhar, are you using any kind of dns helper like dnsmasq? It should be a service.
2544[12:45:07] <jelly-home> armin: I'm running pidgin in kde, what functionality are you missing
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2546[12:45:31] <vasundhar> Brigo: I am not using DNSMasq ,
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2549[12:45:59] <vasundhar> but what I feel is as long as the dnsresolution can be handled by external DNS provider like OpenDNS we don’t need caching
2550[12:46:36] <Brigo> i just trying to guess what is writing that file.
2551[12:46:48] <vasundhar> That is what making me ultra curious
2552[12:47:00] <paolo43> 03/10/16 Microsoft has just blackmailed linux twice in a single week
2553[12:47:07] <vasundhar> Because I give OpenVPN directives in /etc/openvpn/server.conf
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2556[12:47:30] <vasundhar> and this rogue IP is coming from I Dont know where in Name Server
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2562[12:49:39] <vasundhar> when I did whois it ended up cdns.ovh.com
2563[12:50:33] <avis> does anyone know if the font in elementary os stable (not sure which one it is) is installable on debian jessie ?
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2566[12:50:58] <jelly-home> avis: ask them which one it is
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2569[12:52:36] <armin> jelly-home: i just don't like it much.
2570[12:53:01] <armin> jelly-home: i always end up migrating all my accounts to bitlbee because pidgin annoys me, but i would love to find a decent graphical client.
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2576[12:54:52] <TomTomTosch> armin, telepathy does that.
2577[12:56:02] <TomTomTosch> ah, otr might be a problem with the one in jessie. let me check.
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2587[12:59:50] <TomTomTosch> nvm. needs 0.9 for that and it's not in jessie.
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2592[13:00:36] <jelly-home> TomTomTosch: telepathy in kde4 on jessie works like shit for me, completely unusable even for basic functionality
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2599[13:02:59] <TomTomTosch> jelly-home, really? i have only seen coworker use it, i've always liked pidgin.
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2604[13:04:32] <jelly-home> I couldn't get it to connect to 2-3 accounts that used to Just Work in pidgin
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2610[13:06:53] <julius> hi
2611[13:06:55] <jelly-home> it failed with all of: lync (pidgin-sipe); xmpp while google supported it; skype (pidgin-skype)
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2613[13:07:01] <julius> where do i get the .deb for this: replaced-url
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2617[13:07:38] <jelly-home> dpkg, tell julius about non-free sources
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2622[13:08:07] <julius> its a network driver...no cable here
2623[13:08:16] <julius> wasnt it possible to download those?
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2627[13:08:32] <julius> i mean with another pc from that page
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2629[13:09:22] <TomTomTosch> julius, you have the download links on the right.
2630[13:09:40] <jelly-home> julius: sure, click on "all" link near the botton
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2632[13:10:20] <jelly-home> TomTomTosch: is there a download link for the binary .deb on the right now? I don't see it
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2634[13:12:12] <TomTomTosch> oops. listen to jelly. i'm telling lies.
2635[13:12:25] <julius> yeah i already downloaded a .tar.gz by accident...but there should be a .deb?
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2638[13:12:38] <TomTomTosch> julius, what jelly-home said.
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2641[13:13:05] <julius> ah
2642[13:13:11] <julius> yeah, thats a good webpage desin
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2657[13:18:31] <TomTomTosch> i think it's pretty clear, i'm just a derp.
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2680[13:29:30] <MrDetonia> Hi, what package provides ffmpeg in Jessie?
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2687[13:30:17] <TomTomTosch> MrDetonia, ffmpeg in jessie-backports
2688[13:30:21] <themill> MrDetonia: what are you actually looking for?
2689[13:30:33] <MrDetonia> TomTomTosch: Thanks will try
2690[13:30:41] <MrDetonia> themill: looking for the ffmpeg binary to stream with
2691[13:30:46] <themill> (ffmpeg means different things to different people)
2692[13:31:23] <themill> avconv or avplay are in libav-tools or there are ffmpeg packages as TomTomTosch said
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2730[13:41:38] <TomTomTosch> yep, avconv is recommended, but there are often people here who insist on ffmpeg.
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2733[13:42:13] <ychaouche> hello #debian
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2735[13:42:58] <ychaouche> I would like to disable two sites in httpd, one is served on port 80 and the other on port 8081. Here's what I tried and got errors : replaced-url
2736[13:43:03] <ychaouche> the errors are mentioned in the pastebin.
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2739[13:43:41] <ychaouche> a2dissite is debian-specific so no support on #httpd
2740[13:43:45] <l3archos> hey all. I have downloaded a file "foo" from the internet with iceweasel. "foo" is a bash/init.d script and when I open this file within Iceweasel from the "Downloaded" section it is opened with GEDIT and I see syntax highlighting. I can also open my Nemo filebrowser and browse to the temporary folder where this file resides. When I double-click on it I get syntax highlighting, too. But --> when I copy this file to another location /some/where ther
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2742[13:44:31] <l3archos> I'm puzzled because in both instances I am using GEDIT and open the file. I have ensured with "xprop" when I click onto the window. It's GEDIT running. Why don't I have syntax highlighting ?
2743[13:45:05] <ychaouche> extension ?
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2745[13:45:22] <ychaouche> syntax highliting relies on file extensions most of the times.
2746[13:45:30] <themill> ychaouche: can you pastebin the output of "find /etc/apache2/sites-* -ls" for us?
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2748[13:46:02] <l3archos> ychaouche: it's the same file name.
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2751[13:46:55] <ychaouche> Sorry I might have missed something from you earelir message, it gets truncated at "when I copy this file to another location /some/where ther"
2752[13:47:00] <l3archos> ychaouche: I have moved the file from iceweasel download directory to ~/mydir
2753[13:47:02] <ychaouche> and then I didn't get the rest
2754[13:47:16] <l3archos> ...when I copy this file to another location /some/where there is no syntax highlighting
2755[13:47:26] <ychaouche> themill: replaced-url
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2759[13:48:03] <themill> ychaouche: a2*site works on files in sites-available and works on filenames. You don't have to use a2ensite (you clearly didn't), but if you don't use a2ensite, don't try to use a2dissite.
2760[13:48:18] <maddawg2> yay for internets
2761[13:48:26] <l3archos> ychaouche: oh I have found out something --> the location is a smb:// where I copied/moved to. I gues THAT IS the reason why syntax highlighting is not displayed on smb locations?? Is that something I can enable though ?
2762[13:48:48] <maddawg2> without the internet none of us would be here right now... YIP YIP HURRAY!!
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2770[13:51:36] <l3archos> the smb share is mounted throuhg gvfs to be more precise with "gigolo"
2771[13:52:27] <scardinal> Trying to install Jessie on a blade I get "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext4 in SCSI1 partition #1 (sda) at / failed". I can see it partitions and formats the drive but the mount fails. Using xfs / btrfs it works. Why can it be that ext4 fails ?
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2776[13:54:28] <armin> TomTomTosch: awesome. thank you.
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2779[13:58:17] <Iridos> scardinal, maybe there are any messages in dmesg-output... maybe you can switch to a virtual console with a shell ...
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2790[14:03:08] <scardinal> Iridos: Okay in dmesg I get sda: unknown partition table and ext4 unknown symbols. Does that help? I cannot understand why the partition table should be unknown. Haven't it just created it ?
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2795[14:07:17] <CustosL1men> hi
2796[14:07:35] <CustosL1men> is there something like scl (from rhel) for debian (and possibly friends) ?
2797[14:07:58] <CustosL1men> replaced-url
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2806[14:12:16] <DHex> Debian linux is just like OS setup but no packages?
2807[14:12:27] <DHex> Hellol!! 1647 people
2808[14:12:31] <DHex> @all
2809[14:12:48] <hiya> DHex, it has got all the packages
2810[14:12:53] <hiya> what are you looking for?
2811[14:13:00] <DHex> I think I want to install arch lol
2812[14:13:07] <DHex> But why debian?
2813[14:13:12] <B[]rG> debian master race :P
2814[14:13:13] <B[]rG> :D
2815[14:13:13] <DHex> I mean I want to try deep in linux
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2817[14:13:19] <DHex> Don't hate e
2818[14:13:19] <DHex> me
2819[14:13:22] <DHex> For asking it here
2820[14:13:36] <B[]rG> try gentoo :D
2821[14:13:57] <bogus-> linux from scratch still is a thing right?
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2823[14:13:58] <DHex> What's gentoo?
2824[14:14:03] <DHex> Why not?
2825[14:14:09] <themill> wrong channel?
2826[14:14:09] <DHex> I don't want something fancy
2827[14:14:14] <DHex> Maybe
2828[14:14:19] <DHex> My bad (?)
2829[14:14:38] <jonbryan> do a debian netinst, go deep
2830[14:14:51] <B[]rG> jup
2831[14:15:01] <evolinux> DHex.. You're a bit everywhere and not specific. Can you be more specific "deep in linux".
2832[14:15:03] <B[]rG> netinsta debian + xfce
2833[14:15:15] <DHex> I want to learn about linux
2834[14:15:35] <themill> !debian handbook
2835[14:15:35] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
2836[14:15:42] <DHex> What do you like in debian that's not in other stuff?
2837[14:15:49] <B[]rG> you can go "deep linux" with ubuntu
2838[14:15:57] <evolinux> DHex.. Do you know the difference between linux and a linux distro?
2839[14:15:59] <DHex> Ubuntu is like all ready
2840[14:16:05] <DHex> linux is a kernel
2841[14:16:11] <jonbryan> ^, you don't need to use lfs or gentoo to learn linux, or "go deep"
2842[14:16:52] <evolinux> jonbryan.. that's what I thought as well. Don't know what results he's expecting.
2843[14:16:58] <bogus-> lfs forces you to learn stuff ;)
2844[14:17:09] <bogus-> a standard debian/ubuntu install not so much
2845[14:17:25] <DHex> Me neither
2846[14:17:27] <DHex> I don't know
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2849[14:17:31] <themill> maybe this should relocate to ##linux?
2850[14:17:43] <DHex> come to linux?
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2853[14:19:26] <evolinux> DHex.. What is it that you want to do with Debian Linux? If you want more information regarding linux, then probably it's better to join the channel #linux.
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2863[14:26:15] <ychaouche> l3archos: seems unlikely
2864[14:26:36] <ychaouche> themill: yep, I think they used ispconfig to create the websites and to manage them.
2865[14:26:57] <themill> lovely
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2867[14:27:15] <ychaouche> themill: I think i'll just comment out the sections then as I don't want to mess with the filenames, othewiste other sysadmins can't get anything done.
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2885[14:35:28] <livcd> why the heck is mdadm masked on my jessie ?
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2890[14:36:05] <thomax> hi, i have a problem with nvidia-legacy-340xx with 4.40-1 amd64 kernel. the nvidia kernel module didn't seem to get build/installed.
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2892[14:36:37] <thomax> i can't find any good relevant hint
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2894[14:36:53] <towo^work> thomax, and which version of nvidia-legacy-340xx you use?
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2898[14:38:48] <thomax> towo^work: hi, thanks for asking. here is my dpkg | grep: replaced-url
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2900[14:39:12] <towo^work> thomax, use paste.debian.net
2901[14:39:25] <ychaouche> themill: do you think it's safe to just unlink the symbolic links, manually ?
2902[14:39:25] <towo^work> i can't use pastebin.ca
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2904[14:40:14] <themill> ychaouche: sure. apache will be happy with that
2905[14:40:21] <thomax> replaced-url
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2914[14:42:21] <thomax> towo^work: thats what i got installed when i install the suggested package (nvidia-detect) nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver
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2917[14:42:59] <towo^work> thomax, dkms status (as root) is saying what?
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2919[14:43:43] <thomax> towo^work: dkms.conf not found
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2922[14:44:37] <Kakurady> How do I get in touch with the zh-cn l10n group? There's a mistake in translation in Ubuntu's libapt-pkg that came from Debian.
2923[14:44:55] <towo^work> thomax, apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-legacy-340xx-kernel-dkms
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2925[14:45:28] <bahubali> I can't find znc.conf, where will be normally?
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2932[14:46:51] <thomax> towo^work: Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the
2933[14:46:53] <thomax> kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed.
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2935[14:47:34] <towo^work> apt-get install linux-headers-($uname -r)
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2938[14:48:00] <towo^work> but better you install the metapackage for the headers
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2943[14:50:51] <thomax> towo^work: thank you so much. shouldn't it be a dependency??
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2957[14:58:18] <karlpinc> Kakurady: I'd file a bug report against the package. bugs.debian.org
2958[14:58:36] <karlpinc> !tell Kakurady about reportbug
2959[14:59:17] <karlpinc> Kakurady: Alternately, packages.debian.org should have a contact address.
2960[14:59:32] <Kakurady> karlpinc: report-bug isn't going to be useful because I'm running Ubuntu, not debian.
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2962[15:00:16] <Kakurady> Source package apt is maintained by APT development team. replaced-url
2963[15:01:05] <karlpinc> Kakurady: You don't have to file a bug report with reportbug. You can also use email. replaced-url
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2965[15:01:58] <Kakurady> Should I report the bug to Ubuntu instead?
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2968[15:03:18] <karlpinc> Kakurady: I'd guess that since you want the language people, a bug report against that specific package would be best. I can't say about reporting to Ubuntu, just what's best. If it's coming from debian I suppose reporting upstream to us is the absolute best approach. But that's my thought.
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2971[15:04:02] <Kakurady> It's coming from Debian, so... thanks.
2972[15:04:04] <Kakurady> :)
2973[15:04:06] <karlpinc> Kakurady: I don't know you want the source package, you really want the specific language package.
2974[15:04:20] <karlpinc> That will be sure to reach the right people.
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2978[15:05:04] <karlpinc> Kakurady: There's probably a "best way" that I'm not sending you to. But the package people will know who to send the report on to.
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2986[15:09:41] <leprd> ahh it's a wonderful day
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2988[15:12:14] <jonbryan> it's rainy here
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2991[15:13:15] <Walakea> how can i massively convert svg files to svgz at best through commang line?
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2996[15:16:07] <towo^work> Walakea, with the cli interface of inkscape
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2998[15:16:45] <Walakea> i looked at the man page but did not find a mention about svgz
2999[15:16:58] <Walakea> many others but not svgz
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3001[15:17:37] <towo^work> btw, svgz is only a zipped svg afaik
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3003[15:18:01] <Walakea> i know
3004[15:18:50] <Walakea> so i just need to gzip them and rename them to svgz
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3006[15:19:27] <colo-work> is there a web-based URL shortener service available in Debian?
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3050[15:30:33] <Cloudwalker42> Do someone know how I can register an user account on irc.freenode.org.. Its only possible for me to write in some channels of this server. I want to chat on the topic httpd but can't regarding this
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3053[15:31:43] <jonbryan> you need to register your nick with nickserv
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3058[15:32:11] <jonbryan> Cloudwalker42: ./msg nickserv help
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3062[15:33:56] <karlpinc> Cloudwalker42: If you need more help ask on #freenode. If nothing else they will know _exactly_ where to send you.
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3089[15:44:29] <necronian> Does anyone know why lxc-dev is available in every version of debian except jessie?
3090[15:45:10] <necronian> It's just really odd.
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3092[15:45:39] <mtn> necronian: replaced-url
3093[15:46:24] <necronian> mtn: and what does that tell me exactly?
3094[15:46:44] <mtn> necronian: exactly what you asked. why it is not in jessie
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3099[15:48:21] <necronian> mtn: maybe you want to get a bit more specific? because I'm not obviously not seeing what you are.
3100[15:48:46] <mtn> necronian: open the site. put the package name in the search field. click. read.
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3104[15:49:11] <necronian> mtn: I did so and see nothing relevant
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3110[15:53:25] <mtn> necronian: you are right. I don't see it either, unless the problems section is relevant
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3123[15:57:19] <Cloudwalker42> re
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3125[15:58:07] <necronian> mtn: Well thanks for all the unhelpful hostility anyway.
3126[15:58:19] <mtn> snort
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3133[16:01:25] <mi11k1> anybody use vnstat? Im having trouble with it not updating.
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3139[16:02:38] <mika--1> netinsall from debian8 done .. now see if i like it
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3188[16:17:30] <Iridos> necronian, well, to be fair, this *is* the page (or one of them) that leads to the information ... or should do so.
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3192[16:17:58] <dionysus69> please I am hit this error while trying to install passenger and nginx-extras. here is the jourtnalctl -xn output replaced-url
3193[16:18:41] <Iridos> judd, versions lxc
3194[16:18:42] <judd> Package: lxc on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.2-1; squeeze-security-lts: 0.7.2-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 0.8.0~rc1-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.8.0~rc1-8+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2; jessie: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2; stretch: 1:1.1.5-1; sid: 1:1.1.5-1
3195[16:18:52] <Iridos> judd, versions lxc-dev
3196[16:18:53] <judd> Package: lxc-dev on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 0.8.0~rc1-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.8.0~rc1-8+deb7u2; sid: 1:1.1.5-1; stretch: 1:1.1.5-1
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3199[16:19:19] <thurstylark> dionysus69: replaced-url
3200[16:19:50] <dionysus69> thurstylark:
3201[16:19:50] <dionysus69> nginx: [emerg] open() "/etc/nginx/nginx.conf" failed (2: No such file or directory)
3202[16:19:50] <dionysus69> nginx: configuration file /etc/nginx/nginx.conf test failed
3203[16:19:55] <Iridos> necronian, hmm. look at replaced-url
3204[16:20:02] <necronian> Iridos: To be fair, I already looked before I asked. If you don't have anything helpful to contribute you could just say nothing at all or maybe politely say have you tried checking X
3205[16:20:16] <r0ck_> hello ppl! lots of love
3206[16:20:20] <thurstylark> dionysus69: does that file indeed not exist?
3207[16:20:40] <r0ck_> is there a way to make debian connect to the internet earlier that anyone logons, but also have on logon wireless connection?
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3209[16:20:45] <Iridos> necronian, apparently the lxc-dev was removed and re-added for purely packaging-techincal reasons of splitting out libraries
3210[16:20:45] <dionysus69> nope I deleted etc/nginx dir hoped it would get recreated once I would reinstall
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3213[16:21:07] <thurstylark> dionysus69: then there's your problem
3214[16:21:16] <Iridos> necronian, no doubt, saying nothing is one of the many options available to anyone
3215[16:21:32] <dionysus69> so ? :D how do I deal with it ? :S but I hit the problem before that too but I guess different one
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3218[16:22:31] <Iridos> there seems to be no bug report associated with the dropping of lxc-dev, though
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3221[16:22:49] <Iridos> so it really *is* hard to find
3222[16:22:55] <dionysus69> thurstylark: ok I found my error. I apt-get removed with purge flag and now it worked :) thanks for hints!
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3227[16:25:05] <Iridos> so seems it was dropped Aug 2014 and added back in Aug 2015
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3235[16:26:51] <Iridos> and Jessie was released Apr 2015... and frozen since Nov 2014
3236[16:26:54] <necronian> Iridos: It's not a huge deal but it was just odd. I have no idea what: Dropping lxc-dev, according to ftp-master this is not acceptable anymore without having split out library package. actually means though.
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3244[16:28:18] <mika--1> Iridos: you use also Lxde
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3246[16:28:50] <mika--1> why do i have a menu normal from lxde and 1 from debian
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3249[16:29:49] <Iridos> seems there is a policy that you have to put libraries into a separate package libXXX if you want to offer a development package XXX-dev as you can see, this happened: replaced-url
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3251[16:30:17] <Iridos> mika--1, I pretty much don't use menus
3252[16:30:36] <mika--1> i see also games are installed..
3253[16:30:43] <mika--1> i wish have it minimal ..
3254[16:30:50] <mika--1> that is why i did a netinstall
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3259[16:32:09] <mika--1> Iridos: ok understand, but you have that also ?
3260[16:32:28] <Iridos> mika--1, netinstall just means you start out installing a minimal system until reboot. After that everything you selected is installed from mirrors
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3262[16:33:06] <Iridos> mika--1, not sure what you mean... I have a "debian" section in the menu created by the lower-left button
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3264[16:33:50] <mika--1> yes i mean that
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3266[16:34:31] <Iridos> necronian, so basically it was about the interpretation of replaced-url
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3271[16:36:31] <necronian> Iridos: Yea, it seems like I got caught up in a little bit of bookkeeping. Still seems odd to not just leave it as is and fix it for the next release cycle. Thanks for the help.
3272[16:36:34] <mika--1> Iridos: i wish only firefox and codecs to internet, and the rest is easy to install after
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3274[16:36:54] <Iridos> necronian, you can just get the one from backports, though?
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3278[16:39:23] <necronian> Iridos: I just need python2-lxc for ansible so I'm probably just going to make a quick package for it.
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3305[16:46:44] <Nettuno81> hellp shinnya
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3308[16:47:42] <ghormoon> is there anything in apt to rollback operation? I've purged package with way too much packages depending on it ... :)
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3315[16:49:19] <somiaj> ghormoon: not really, but apt does keep logs. Just reinstall the packages again
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3317[16:49:34] <somiaj> ghormoon: note with purges you will have lost all the config files and may have to recreate them
3318[16:49:49] <ghormoon> I've reinstalled some, but now it says it wants to autoremove like 100 packages and I don't know what it misses :(
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3321[16:50:48] <ghormoon> log says apt-get purge package1 package2\nInstall: a lot of packages. that's strange
3322[16:51:23] <somiaj> ghormoon: if you have a large meta package (like say gnome) and then remove one of the things inside that large metapackage that you don't need problem is it must remove the metapackage
3323[16:51:50] <ghormoon> I need to track down which metapackages got removed
3324[16:52:00] <ghormoon> but maybe I'll manage to parse out the logs
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3326[16:52:03] <somiaj> ghormoon: since the meta package is what was holding everything in, things are no longer being held in due to automatic installs. If they are still int he state that apt says it wants to autoremove them. Just pick the ones you think are the most important and change the flag from auto to manual
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3329[16:52:29] <somiaj> ghormoon: lots of times they get revmoved when you remove one of their depends. Problem is not the package you removed, but the fact there is no manual package holding the other packges in anymore
3330[16:52:42] <somiaj> just change the flags of the main ones to manual and they won't want to be autoremoved anymore
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3335[16:53:54] <ghormoon> dunno which are the main, there are too many :) I've xargs'd them to install
3336[16:54:03] <mika--1> Iridos: i see i can also do a expert install, maybe then is it porsble to make a choice
3337[16:54:19] <Pseudo> i just want to ask abt a terminal ...as can i only install yakuake terminal without using konsole
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3339[16:54:28] <ghormoon> I'll have to reinstall sometime anyway :)
3340[16:54:50] <somiaj> ghormoon: look at the actual packages. usually libs should be auto, the rest should be manual if you want them
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3343[16:55:07] <somiaj> sometimes there are various level of meta packages, in the gnome instance, if the large gnomepackage is to much for you, the gnome-core metapackage should be better
3344[16:55:09] <Pseudo> am using xfce DE..i have got to apt-get remove --purge konsole but it do remove both yakuake and konsole
3345[16:55:10] <Iridos> mika--1, there is no need for that. just don't choose the desktop task while installing... mind that that means you will not have any graphical interface after install
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3347[16:55:33] <ghormoon> i was trying to replace gnutls for new. that was ad idea :)
3348[16:55:34] <ghormoon> *bad
3349[16:55:53] <Pseudo> my question is how can i use only yakuake termianl while discard the konsole terminal?
3350[16:56:28] <mika--1> Iridos: and then install lxde with apt-get ?
3351[16:56:38] <mika--1> after a reboot i mean
3352[16:56:41] <Pseudo> am i be able in anyway to install yakuake with apt-get
3353[16:56:50] <Iridos> ghormoon, show some command and its output... you may also try using aptitude instead of apt-get... aptitude will show a solution to a certain problem and then you have the possibility to refuse that solution and it will search for another one
3354[16:56:54] <Pseudo> without konsole
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3358[16:57:39] <Iridos> mika--1, for example... there are some factoids on that in our bot... e.g. /msg dpkg install lxde and /msg dpkg install x
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3361[16:58:03] <ghormoon> Iridos: those were 414 packages of what 212 were libs
3362[16:58:25] <ghormoon> just xargs apt-get install -y for quick fix, at least I have a reason to reinstall :)
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3373[17:00:26] <Iridos> /o\
3374[17:00:51] <streulma> :-)
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3381[17:02:04] <mika--1> /msg dpkg install x
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3383[17:02:36] <nickgaw> Hi, On the debian developer pages it says they use something called porterbox for developing for more then one type of machine type but I can not find any information on this type of cross machine setup does anyone know anything about this?
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3385[17:02:52] <mika--1> thx Iridosgona try
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3392[17:06:43] <sharp15> how do i change to/from a UTC hardware clock? it is currently set with local and i would like to set it to UTC.
3393[17:07:11] <somiaj> nickgaw: maybe #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net can point you to some good docs. I haven't heard of porterbox myself
3394[17:07:20] <somiaj> !utc
3395[17:07:20] <dpkg> Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (replaced-url
3396[17:07:34] <somiaj> sharp15: just modify /etc/adjtime (either UTC or LOCAL)
3397[17:07:42] <sharp15> somiaj: thank you.
3398[17:07:44] <somiaj> sharp15: after that you'll have to run ntp or manually change your clock
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3401[17:07:57] <somiaj> or if you have ntpd running just let it slowly adjust the time
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3445[17:23:52] <ghormoon> what is correct way to replace two packages with one (conflic, likely it was merged into one) without having to uninstall the previous two first?
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3447[17:24:11] <rabid_kujo> .
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3462[17:26:47] <rabid_kujo> Hello, i need some help about internals of apt. When i installed package from .deb file, #dpkg -i collectd.deb, it's installed to /opt/collectd, when i do #apt-get remove collectd it's removes /opt fully, nothong interesting in strace what'si need to do?
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3464[17:27:58] <nkuttler> rabid_kujo: that's not a debian package
3465[17:28:16] <nkuttler> anyway, not sure what you want to know either..
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3467[17:28:17] <grawity> wait
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3469[17:28:20] <grawity> what exactly is the problem here
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3492[17:36:18] <rabid_kujo> nkuttler, grawity problem is: root@ymir:~# dpkg -c collectd-0.5.5-monserver-mccme.deb
3493[17:36:18] <rabid_kujo> drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2015-10-16 14:07 ./
3494[17:36:18] <rabid_kujo> drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2015-10-16 14:08 ./opt/
3495[17:36:18] <rabid_kujo> drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2015-10-16 14:18 ./opt/collectd/
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3498[17:36:54] <rabid_kujo> and when do: apt-get remove collectd, /opt removes from rootfs
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3500[17:37:20] <nkuttler> rabid_kujo: like i said, not a debian package. talk to the people who distribute it
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3506[17:39:21] <rabid_kujo> nkuttler, sorry, i'm destributor, what's wrong with it,it's haves ls /opt/collectd/DEBIAN/control
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3508[17:39:38] <nkuttler> !tell rabid_kujo about mentors
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3527[17:44:22] <rabid_kujo> nkuttler, thank you)
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3532[17:45:19] <AlexLikeRock> hi guys
3533[17:45:25] <AlexLikeRock> good aftermoon
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3540[17:47:35] <Iridos> rabid_kujo, mind that that's on irc.oftc.net, not here on freenode... and mainly concerns packaging for the debian repos
3541[17:48:05] <rabid_kujo> Iridos, thank you
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3565[17:55:34] <Ephexeve> Hi all, I have created my first .deb package for diff-so-fancy (a better git diff), I wonder what are the steps I should take so Debian could accept my package and add to their repository. I am not yet a Debian developer, and I 've been reading the docs, but I am a bit lost of what action should I take first.
3566[17:55:44] <crayon> my date and time keep changing
3567[17:55:51] <crayon> automatically by itself
3568[17:56:12] <crayon> the hours change in a matter of minutes
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3582[18:00:07] <teaearlgraycold> Hey I'm getting an error from apt-get update for a URL, but the URL giving me an error isn't in /etc/apt/sources.list
3583[18:00:38] <teaearlgraycold> It's upset that there's no i386 binary (I'm on amd64)
3584[18:00:47] <teaearlgraycold> So I'd like to tell it to forget about i386
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3590[18:03:35] <teaearlgraycold> nvm I found it in sources.list.d
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3606[18:08:49] <dimitry7> Hello
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3697[18:47:20] <markybob> bansky: what?
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3705[18:50:37] <markybob> TomTomTosch: that's better :P
3706[18:50:39] <TomTomTosch> markybob, nvm. had to make a bad joke.
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3739[19:06:10] <crayon> my time keeps updating by +1 hr every few minutes, why?
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3742[19:06:45] <dedgecumbe> crayon: did you read the news ?
3743[19:06:52] <dedgecumbe> crayon: time has sped up
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3745[19:07:38] <crayon> anyways
3746[19:07:40] <crayon> anyone else?
3747[19:09:30] <thurstylark> crayon: What's the output of `sudo timedatectl` ?
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3750[19:10:12] <crayon> local, incorrect, systime
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3752[19:10:35] <thurstylark> crayon: paste the full output please.
3753[19:11:01] <crayon> timedatectl
3754[19:11:01] <crayon> Local time: Tue 2016-03-15 11:09:51 UTC
3755[19:11:01] <crayon> Universal time: Tue 2016-03-15 11:09:51 UTC RTC time: Tue 2016-03-15 11:09:51 Time zone: Europe/London (UTC, +0000) Network time on: yes NTP synchronized: no RTC in local TZ: no
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3758[19:11:16] <thurstylark> crayon: ...to a past service preferably.
3759[19:11:23] <crayon> my fault
3760[19:11:25] <thurstylark> s/past/paste
3761[19:11:46] <crayon> replaced-url
3762[19:11:48] <TomTomTosch> is that one of those dev boards?
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3764[19:12:25] <thurstylark> crayon: is UTC the correct timezone for you?
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3766[19:12:43] <crayon> yes
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3780[19:14:17] <crayon> ie. we started this convo @ 11:09, now it is 14:12
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3793[19:16:33] <thurstylark> crayon: try systemctl restart systemd-timesyncd
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3795[19:17:07] <crayon> done, no dice
3796[19:17:12] <crayon> just updated to 19:16
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3803[19:19:24] <thurstylark> something else must be changing the hw clock.
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3807[19:19:38] <AlexLikeRock> try by bios
3808[19:19:52] <AlexLikeRock> or sync by terminal
3809[19:19:55] <crayon> its a vm
3810[19:20:22] <thurstylark> crayon: What's the time situation on the host, then?
3811[19:20:29] <jmcnaught> crayon: does it say UTC or LOCAL in /etc/adjtime ?
3812[19:20:33] <crayon> proper UTC time
3813[19:20:45] <crayon> UTC
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3815[19:21:01] <thurstylark> Which hypervisor?
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3817[19:21:09] <crayon> just a parallels VM
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3820[19:22:24] <thurstylark> crayon: Have you tried this suggestion: replaced-url
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3824[19:23:17] <crayon> yup. interestingly, when i set it to sync its just fine but ive had it set indepedently of the host in the past and it was fine then too
3825[19:23:34] <thurstylark> also, this states your exact symptoms, but with a windows guest... replaced-url
3826[19:23:43] <crayon> saw this too
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3828[19:23:56] <crayon> tried this but no dice
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3835[19:26:24] <buu> Ok seriously
3836[19:26:29] <thurstylark> crayon: Looks like an upstream issue, unfortunately: replaced-url
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3838[19:26:37] <buu> What is this bug with copying from ssd to nvme?
3839[19:26:45] <buu> This is insane
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3842[19:27:12] <crayon> thats from 2015
3843[19:27:26] <crayon> it seemed to be working fine ~3 days ago
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3845[19:27:39] <crayon> nothing has changed apart from a apt-get upgrade in those 3 days
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3849[19:29:26] <buu> 272810624000 bytes (273 GB) copied, 35487.9 s, 7.7 MB/s
3850[19:29:32] <buu> What on earth could cause this bug?
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3859[19:33:25] <buu> The individual drives seem to be working reasonably well
3860[19:33:40] <buu> But copying between them kills performance completely?
3861[19:33:47] <buu> Is this a bug with writing directly to a block device?
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3866[19:36:24] <AlexLikeRock> how can i control this , by terminal
3867[19:36:25] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
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3870[19:37:34] <buu> alsamixer?
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3873[19:37:50] <socomm> What is this?
3874[19:38:17] <thurstylark> AlexLikeRock: see man amixer
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3881[19:40:15] <AlexLikeRock> tanks
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3885[19:41:13] <AlexLikeRock> buu, alsa mixer only control GENERAL VOLUME
3886[19:41:17] <AlexLikeRock> tanks thunderrd
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3892[19:43:39] <grawity> press f6
3893[19:43:41] <Iridos> buu, maybe you get lots of dmesg errors when copying that could shed a light on it?
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3903[19:48:27] <AlexLikeRock> yes , you are rigth grawity
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3906[19:48:49] <AlexLikeRock> alsamixer, work fine too
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3917[19:50:20] <RippyDippy> hey guys. Im used to arch. Is there a comperable makepkg command?
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3925[19:53:05] <buu> Iridos: Nope, dmesg is completely clean
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3927[19:53:17] <buu> It starts off at a reasonable speed then over time drops down to freaking 7mbs
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3931[19:53:46] <buu> That's so far below anything but like maybe sd flash drives it has to be some kind of bug
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3934[19:54:21] <buu> The two disks aren't mounted, one is on a pci-e card the other is a sata cable
3935[19:54:54] <Iridos> so no file systems in between
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3937[19:55:56] <buu> Nope
3938[19:56:08] <buu> Just straight dd if=dev/sda of=dev/sdb
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3940[19:56:18] <buu> Or in this case, dev/nvme0n1
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3944[19:59:24] <Iridos> well, happy kernel hacking
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3952[20:02:46] <seprob> Hi. I'm trying to make a cluster with other node with Proxmox. I added another alias to "/etc/hosts" but when I'm doing ping it doesn't resolve the name. I got few lines like "Internal_network_IP Subdomain Alias". Internal network is some bridge. I added exatcly the same name but it doesn't work. Any ideas?
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3958[20:04:40] <Iridos> as proxmox isn't something in debian... I don't see why you think asking this here is a good idea
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3978[20:12:49] <tmp1> hello
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3987[20:15:43] <tmp1> how do you deal with 'Oh no! something has gone wrong, system can't recover...", I just installed debian 8.3 gnome image and i can't get to the log in screen,
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3989[20:16:18] <teraflops> tmp1: what gpu?
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3992[20:17:39] <tmp1> Intel
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3998[20:18:55] <teraflops> tmp1: fresh install? also, what session manager are you using?
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4003[20:21:27] <tmp1> yes fresh install, i took it out.. currently on ubuntu 14.04, gdm
4004[20:21:29] <karlpinc> Iridos, seprob: We do help people to run "stuff" on debian. Not _just_ "stuff in the debian repos". Debian is supposed to be all-purpose.
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4007[20:22:18] <teraflops> tmp1: you said youre using ubuntu?
4008[20:22:38] <tmp1> yes right now
4009[20:22:41] <awal1> tmp1, that error message you get with gnome is very known but to find out why/for which reason that error is displayed
4010[20:22:57] <awal1> google it and you get hundreds of topics about it
4011[20:23:13] <teraflops> tmp1: but your issue is with debian or with ubuntu?
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4016[20:24:27] <glaucom> hi all
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4019[20:24:30] <glaucom> i need information
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4021[20:24:51] <Iridos> karlpinc, I know that... but that's a complex software that has, as far as I can tell, nothing whatsoever to do with debian... you may also note that I didn't say it's offtopic here, but that it's a bit of a weird idea to ask here
4022[20:25:06] <seprob> Iridos, I'm not asking about Proxmox. I'm asking about resolving names in Debian.
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4024[20:25:09] <glaucom> how to look for something on.
4025[20:25:09] <glaucom> how to look for something on.
4026[20:25:12] <tmp1> with debian, i only installed ubuntu because i couldnt do anything else after seeing dmesg then the error...the only thing i could do was press the power button...
4027[20:25:33] <glaucom> I need to configure a server with more than one internet entry. when a falling, it uses the other.
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4034[20:27:13] <teraflops> glaucom: what's an *internet entry* for you?
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4036[20:27:17] <AmonX> Is there a way to prevent a user with sudo from accessing another users home directory or prevent access to a specific file?
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4040[20:28:12] <glaucom> I will have two modem router. entering the server. When missing it takes the Internet another.
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4046[20:29:32] <awal1> tmp1, hard reset pressing power button isn't recommended, next time try with reisub (if it works)
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4049[20:30:52] <nkuttler> AmonX: well, see man 5 sudoers.. and only allow safe commands..
4050[20:31:09] <nkuttler> AmonX: also acl i guess
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4052[20:32:02] <Iridos> well, I doubt it's a simple resolve-hostname question. but as to what there is no doubt is that it's time to go home. so.. good luck
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4057[20:32:53] <jmcnaught> Iridos: seprob: karlpinc: proxmox is a derivative distro that isn't supported here. dpkg has a proxmox factoid about it
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4068[20:34:34] <tmp1> hello/help
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4074[20:35:19] <tmp1> do i just type reisub on the keyboard?
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4079[20:36:39] <frostschutz> tmp1, while holding alt-sysrq
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4086[20:38:38] <tmp1> frostschutz: which button is sysrq?
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4092[20:39:41] <babilen> Typically PrtScr
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4094[20:40:32] <tmp1> babilen: lol :) thank you ...haven't noticed it until now :)
4095[20:40:59] <Iridos> jmcnaught, interesting. I somehow failed to read that out of their webpage. It seemed like a kvm/lxc frontend/glue
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4101[20:45:00] <frostschutz> tmp1, F13
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4104[20:45:07] <awal1> tmp1, you will need two hands for ejecute that
4105[20:45:23] <awal1> :)
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4107[20:45:25] <jmcnaught> Iridos: they get derivative bonus points for using ftp.debian.org in their sources.list instead of a mirror
4108[20:45:36] <tmp1> :) hehe
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4111[20:47:24] <Iridos> jmcnaught, I'm getting my doubts at what really is a derivative and what's really a stock-debian with a layer of paint... seems a lot of rapbian people use stock debian repos + raspian kernel as well, if I heard that correctly
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4122[20:51:29] <jmcnaught> Iridos: if you look at the Packages file in their repo they have quite a few of their own versions of things like grub, kernel, devmapper etc that I think it's safe to say #debian isn't going to know all the differences and refer folks to Proxmox support.
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4139[20:54:53] <jhutchins> That's the real problem, unless we know the derivitive system ourselves we don't know what's been changed, and whether changes might be related to a problem.
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4145[20:55:39] <zinx> and more often than not, the problem is in the changes.
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4162[20:58:59] <K0D3R> I changed my ip address (fixed ip address) but some programs keep trying to bind to the old ip address, anyone has any idea about this problem?
4163[20:59:02] <TomTomTosch> i think he was doing those steps in debian though. their install on debian guide does the entries in /etc/hosts first and adds the proxmox repo after. he said he was on debian.
4164[20:59:32] <antena-cli> I installed baobab and now, when I connect an USB stick, it opens baobab instead of Nautilus. xdg-open /directory opens baobab too. Why this is happening and how to fix that?
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4175[21:02:45] <crayon> hm
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4177[21:03:08] <crayon> looks like i was able to fix the time issue by setting parallels to sync and then using dpkg-reconfigure tzdata to set to universal
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4218[21:12:18] <okee> Would someone be able to help me set up my clock? I have modified /etc/adjtime, and changed it from LOCAL to UTC, but I am still an hour behind. Dual boot is setup on this computer, even though I don't use windows.
4219[21:12:52] <jhart> Hi, I've just installed Debian on a laptop after several years away and can't reliably switch virtual consoles with CTRL+ALT+F#. I'm starting X with startx and it displays on tty1, but switching away sometimes gives me a black screen, but sometimes works. Any idea what's up?
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4225[21:14:48] <nkuttler> jhart: sounds like buggy graphics drivers.. which ones do you use?
4226[21:14:56] <AlexLikeRock> okee, replaced-url
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4230[21:15:27] <nkuttler> !tell okee about set time
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4233[21:16:30] <okee> AlexLikeRock> I already nave ntpdate installed. I suspect the dual boot might be causing issues. It has been awhile since I had to deal with this, and I don't recall what I did last time.
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4235[21:16:50] <antena-cli> This is how I'm set: replaced-url
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4241[21:18:51] <jhart> nkuttler: i915 (Intel)
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4251[21:22:07] <dedgecumbe> jhart: try 'chvt'
4252[21:22:13] <dedgecumbe> see if the behaviour is identical
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4255[21:23:01] <okee> AlexLikeRock> Looks like ntpdate wasn't installed, and I did get it installed with aptitude. However, I am having trouble getting it to synchronize. The commands referenced in the article you posted are showing up as "not found".n awhile since I had to deal with this, and I don't recall what I did last time.
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4258[21:23:31] <fuan> is there a similar tool like sysv-rc-conf for systemd?
4259[21:23:43] <AlexLikeRock> hwclock --adjust (el ajuste se guarda en /etc/adjtime)
4260[21:23:44] <AlexLikeRock> hwclock --systohc
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4267[21:25:06] <antena-cli> Problem solved. I removed org.gnome.baobab.desktop from the inode/directory= line in /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
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4281[21:31:44] <seoner> hi apt-listchanges: Mailing root: apt-listchanges: news for <- what is this about?
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4283[21:32:33] <simonlnu> root is getting email from apt-listchanges, both changelogs and NEWS.Debian files from the about to be installed packages.
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4288[21:33:57] <seoner> simonlnu: why?
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4290[21:34:30] <jhutchins> okee: Make sure your locale is set properly for the right DST config.
4291[21:34:35] <seoner> why apt-listchanges? why in this update/upgrade?
4292[21:34:55] <simonlnu> you installed it/got installed?
4293[21:35:08] <antena-cli> exit
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4297[21:35:25] <seoner> simonlnu: i did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and get this message
4298[21:35:26] <Somelauw> Where am I supposed to declare environment variables? Some say bashrc but then it only works for shell. .profile is never run for me (I use lightdm). .xsessionrc seems fine, but for me wildcards in .xsessionrc don't expand.
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4300[21:35:35] <simonlnu> yes
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4303[21:36:14] <seoner> simonlnu: how do i read the message?
4304[21:36:19] <okee> jhutchins> Local is Los Angeles. I checked it last night, but i don't recall how I got in there.
4305[21:36:40] <simonlnu> check your email
4306[21:36:51] <simonlnu> i did mention email...
4307[21:37:26] <seoner> simonlnu: is there no other way?
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4312[21:38:21] <simonlnu> it's email... open your client and read your local mail. you can reconfigure it for next time. dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges
4313[21:38:41] <simonlnu> only takes effect next time.you could also remove it....
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4315[21:39:41] <seoner> simonlnu: i am not using any email right now. so what do i do?
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4317[21:40:16] <simonlnu> yes you are.
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4321[21:40:39] <mrjive> hi, I have a hw problem with my notebook and I have the nedd to boot with another notebook using my OS from a usb disk. I've done it several times years ago, but now when i try it, I only get a black screen with blinking cursor.
4322[21:41:10] <seoner> simon: do you know how to open the email from terminal?
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4325[21:41:24] <simonlnu> i use mail or mutt
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4327[21:42:02] <seoner> simonlnu: /Mail does not exist. Create it? ([yes]/no):
4328[21:42:22] <simonlnu> up to you
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4332[21:42:37] <seoner> simonlnu: i say i dont use it
4333[21:43:15] <seoner> simonlnu: whats up to you?
4334[21:43:43] <simonlnu> *blink* whatdo you mean?
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4336[21:44:05] <seoner> simonlnu: you say, its up to you? what do you mean?
4337[21:44:25] <simonlnu> your choice
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4340[21:44:33] <seoner> simonlnu: choice of what?
4341[21:45:07] <simonlnu> are you being obtuse on purpose?
4342[21:45:20] <Somelauw> seoner: what do you want to do?
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4344[21:45:55] <seoner> simonlnu: you say, your choice. can you explain what you mean with that? the reason why you say it?
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4347[21:46:23] <jmcnaught> seoner: pasted a prompt that asks a yes/no question, you were told the choice was up to you
4348[21:46:28] <seoner> Somelauw: read some emails
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4350[21:47:03] <seoner> jmcnaught: ok. would it be nessacary to do it?
4351[21:47:05] <okee> Can someone help me update my time manually with the ntpdate command? I did sudo ntpdate -k 0.debian.pool.ntp.org, but receive an error that no servers can be used, exiting.
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4355[21:47:36] <seoner> what is exim4?
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4360[21:49:07] <sefru> If I have undestood correctly, it has something to do with mail servers.
4361[21:49:22] <jhutchins> okee: Try just pool.ntp.org
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4363[21:49:29] <simonlnu> don't need the -k arg okee
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4365[21:49:38] <Somelauw> typing 'mail' doesn't prompt me to create /Mail
4366[21:49:44] <jmcnaught> seoner: it is the default mail transport agent installed by Debian. What I usually do to get root@ emails is make an alias in /etc/aliases to forward emails for root to somewhere else. I use Postfix instead of exim4 though
4367[21:49:58] <jhutchins> Somelauw: The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: replaced-url
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4369[21:50:27] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: Works for exim as well, but may require a command to load new aliases.
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4371[21:50:41] <jmcnaught> jhutchins: yeah, postfix does too
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4374[21:50:56] <jhutchins> newaliases works on most systems.
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4376[21:51:03] <simonlnu> yep
4377[21:51:07] <Somelauw> jhutchins: is that about where to declare my environment variables?
4378[21:51:20] <Somelauw> because every webpage says something different
4379[21:51:23] <simonlnu> maybe not courier-mta but maybe even that
4380[21:51:24] <seoner> jmcnaught: ok. would it be nesaccary to create if /Mail does not exist? or can you run without it?
4381[21:51:38] <simonlnu> Somelauw: no
4382[21:52:10] <simonlnu> those are mail aliases, not shell shortcuts called aliases
4383[21:52:36] <okee> simonlnu> I get an error message indicating the ntp socket is in use. How do I get around that?
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4385[21:52:46] <jhutchins> seoner: Different mail programs use different folders to store mail. You might figure out what you've got running.
4386[21:52:49] <simonlnu> stop ntpd then run it
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4388[21:52:58] <simonlnu> then start ntpd again
4389[21:53:03] <jmcnaught> seoner: i suggest you read about mutt if you want to know why it asks whether to make a ~/Mail directory
4390[21:53:21] <simonlnu> man mutt ;) (it's long)
4391[21:53:24] <Somelauw> simonlnu: wrong nick?
4392[21:53:42] <simonlnu> Somelauw: no
4393[21:53:43] <jhutchins> seoner: some use ~/mail, ~/.Mail, or ~/Mail
4394[21:54:17] <jhutchins> THe program that usually responds to the "mail" command is mailx.
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4396[21:54:35] <jhutchins> There is also alpine, which I find easier to configure than mutt.
4397[21:54:43] <okee> nkuttler> What is the argument for date --set? I should be able to manually set the clock with ntp, without rebooting, but I haven't figured it out.
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4399[21:54:51] <jhutchins> mailx is a bit old-fashioned unixy.
4400[21:55:00] <simonlnu> heh yeah
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4403[21:55:33] <jhutchins> okee: Look at the format that date prints out by default, use a similar format. See also man date (also man <other commands you don't know>.
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4405[21:56:05] <Vladimirski> Any ideas how to show the root device from grub?
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4414[21:57:50] <fuan> is there a similar tool like sysv-rc-conf for systemd?
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4420[22:00:02] <jhutchins> Vladimirski: What do you mean by show the root device? From the grub prompt?
4421[22:00:22] <jhutchins> fuan: Yes, there are several tools for configuring it.
4422[22:00:27] <jhutchins> !systemd
4423[22:00:27] <dpkg> systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". replaced-url
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4431[22:02:40] <Somelauw> for me, mail is bsd-mailx
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4434[22:03:22] <simonlnu> very similar
4435[22:03:31] <Vladimirski> jhutchins: yes from the grub prompt, for some reason the root device cannot be loaded so I have to indicate it from grub
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4438[22:03:53] <jhutchins> Somelauw: Yeah, the naming isn't consistent, but it's the same software.
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4442[22:05:00] <fuan> thanks, jhutchins, but what is the tool similar to sysv-rc-conf
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4446[22:05:22] <Somelauw> I don't really use mail
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4449[22:05:36] <fuan> so i can list: which services are running in which runlevel. And even better: enable or disable them via click
4450[22:05:41] <grawity> heirloom-mailx does seem to have a lot of development activity
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4459[22:07:25] <Jorja> Hello
4460[22:07:26] <Jorja> Does anyone know how to use FedEx Airbill? I was told to that I need to send an item back using FedEx(that is what the package they sent is from) but I am not sure if I can just drop it in a FedEx box or if I need to take it to a FedEx Loction
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4462[22:07:33] <jhutchins> fuan: I don't know off the top of my head, I know the tools exist, I have to look them up when I need them.
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4464[22:08:04] <markybob> Jorja: i do know that's insanely offtopic
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4469[22:08:35] <TomTomTosch> markybob, well, to be fair, he was turned down in #d-o first D:
4470[22:08:42] <jhutchins> Jorja: Not a #debian question, but if you have a complete shipping label (like a return label from the people who shipped it) you can use the drop box.
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4472[22:08:57] <Jorja> thank you
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4474[22:09:09] <jhutchins> fuan: mint has some good documentation on the tools.
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4478[22:09:55] <mika--1> what is the best way to get firefox and thunderbird ?
4479[22:10:03] <teraflops> fuan: in systemd there are states and targets vs the runlevels youre talking about.
4480[22:10:10] <jhutchins> ... or maybe that's arch...
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4482[22:10:23] <jhutchins> fuan: replaced-url
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4484[22:11:13] <fuan> jhutchins: thanks. But i am looking for something like sysv-rc-conf, not for the commands
4485[22:11:41] <jhutchins> fuan: You mean a GUI?
4486[22:12:04] <simonlnu> there's a GUI app for that
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4488[22:12:21] <fuan> jhutchins: not really a gui, it is ng
4489[22:12:28] <markybob> mika--1: in jessie?
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4491[22:12:33] <fuan> gui would be fine too, i guess
4492[22:12:40] <jhutchins> fuan: I haven't heard of anything so far.
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4494[22:12:55] <mika--1> markybob: yes
4495[22:13:02] <teraflops> fuan: youre wrong if youre thinking that way
4496[22:13:04] <markybob> mika--1: iceweasel and icedove. sid actually has firefox now.
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4498[22:13:20] <fuan> teraflops: huh?
4499[22:13:33] <mika--1> markybob: but sid is not stable
4500[22:13:47] <markybob> mika--1: that's why i said iceweasel and icedove
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4505[22:14:29] <mika--1> markybob: firefox is the most want
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4507[22:14:37] <mika--1> wanted
4508[22:14:45] <markybob> mika--1: so download the tarball and run it
4509[22:15:10] <teraflops> fuan: I already told you, your question has no sense since there are no runleves in systemd. there are targets. go read a bit is easy to understand
4510[22:15:17] <mika--1> there is no apt-get ? to keep update
4511[22:15:24] <markybob> mika--1: no
4512[22:15:42] <mika--1> ok markybob
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4514[22:15:45] <simonlnu> local install you just check "about firefox"
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4518[22:16:02] <TomTomTosch> the mozilla.debian.net repo does have firefox now, doesn't it?
4519[22:16:05] <fuan> teraflops: looks more as if you wouldn't understand me.
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4521[22:16:07] <jhutchins> ,v firefox
4522[22:16:08] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 45.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 45.0-1; experimental: 46.0~b1-1
4523[22:16:10] <r6ku> TomTomTosch: yes, yes it does
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4525[22:16:24] <markybob> TomTomTosch: huh. didn't know that
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4527[22:16:31] <simonlnu> backport from sid
4528[22:16:33] <teraflops> fuan: ...or you are not able to explain yourself
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4531[22:16:50] <jhutchins> mika--1: Not that it matters, iceweasel is firefox.
4532[22:16:57] <mika--1> simonlnu: no idea how to
4533[22:16:58] <fuan> what is so hard about: is there a similar tool like sysv-rc-conf ?
4534[22:17:02] <markybob> this whole firefox thing pisses me off :P
4535[22:17:05] <teraflops> fuan: no
4536[22:17:11] <mika--1> sorry
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4538[22:17:17] <jhutchins> fuan: Not everybody uses sysv-rc-conf - there are several alternatives.
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4540[22:17:26] <simonlnu> mika--1: it's called a menu, check the help menu
4541[22:17:35] <TomTomTosch> markybob, people losing their minds over branding. beats me :D
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4544[22:18:03] <fuan> jhutchins: i know.
4545[22:18:09] <jhutchins> Clearly there is some sort of resolution to the branding issue.
4546[22:18:11] <KingSUS> Sup bitches? It's Chad Warden here
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4549[22:18:31] <teraflops> fuan: what do you want to do? do you want a service being loaded after graphical target? before networking?
4550[22:18:37] <simonlnu> as if we care
4551[22:18:38] <KingSUS> Who wants lick my asshole?
4552[22:18:42] <jhutchins> fuan: So not everybody knows what "like sysv-rc-conf" means.
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4554[22:18:47] <simonlnu> !ops KingSUS
4555[22:18:47] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: simonlnu complains about: KingSUS
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4560[22:19:41] <fuan> teraflops: well, like already said, i would mainly want a a tool which lists all services which are going to get started (and, if possible, enable and disable them via click)
4561[22:19:46] <simonlnu> thank you somiaj
4562[22:20:12] <simonlnu> (it's sunday all over again :P)
4563[22:20:20] <jhutchins> fuan: Again, I have not heard of anybody making that so far, systemd is new and fluid. The tools I pointed you to are what I know of.
4564[22:20:30] <teraflops> fuan: then use systemctl
4565[22:20:35] <fuan> got that. thanks
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4567[22:21:14] <simonlnu> systemd takes some getting used to, but it's comprehensible
4568[22:21:37] <jhutchins> The problem with a menu style sytem is that you can only do what's built into the menu, if someone adds new features the menu has to be rebuilt.
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4570[22:21:46] <simonlnu> yeah
4571[22:21:57] <jhutchins> systemd is still moving too fast for that to be practical.
4572[22:22:05] <teraflops> fuan: it also has tab-completion so if you do systemctl disable ^tab it will list all the units already enabled.
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4575[22:22:51] <fuan> teraflops: that sound fine for what i need. thanks.
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4577[22:23:09] <simonlnu> the gui app relies on systemd itself for the info, and just a bunch of checkboxes, etc. so it's flexible.
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4580[22:23:50] <jhutchins> simonlnu: Is there a gui app?
4581[22:23:52] <fuan> lemme quickly run the command, so i can remember it via history ..
4582[22:23:54] <simonlnu> systemadm it's called, IIRC
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4584[22:24:12] <simonlnu> it changed name a while ago
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4586[22:24:28] <simonlnu> works with polkit
4587[22:24:47] <jhutchins> simonlnu: Part of gnome?
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4590[22:26:01] <jhutchins> ,v systemadm
4591[22:26:02] <judd> No package named 'systemadm' was found in amd64.
4592[22:26:24] <jhutchins> They got that from system.adm in Windows no doubt.
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4594[22:27:11] <jhutchins> Doesn't look particularly stable.
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4601[22:29:26] <simonlnu> iirc just gtk
4602[22:30:06] <simonlnu> ,v systemd-gui
4603[22:30:07] <judd> Package: systemd-gui on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; jessie: 1:3-2; stretch: 1:3-4; sid: 1:3-4
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4605[22:30:27] <simonlnu> systemadm is the old name, heh
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4608[22:30:57] <simonlnu> jhutchins: what i thought when i first saw it too
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4610[22:31:22] <simonlnu> ,v systemd-ui
4611[22:31:23] <judd> Package: systemd-ui on amd64 -- jessie: 3-2; sid: 3-4; stretch: 3-4
4612[22:31:45] <simonlnu> -gui is transitional
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4619[22:33:24] <simonlnu> they didn't change the binary's name, it's still systemadm
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4633[22:37:34] <Somelauw> Where am I supposed to declare environment variables? Some say bashrc but then it only works for shell. .profile is never run for me (I use lightdm). .xsessionrc seems fine, but for me wildcards in .xsessionrc don't expand.
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4642[22:40:43] <Brigo> Somelauw, /etc/environment ?
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4646[22:42:12] <Brigo> Somelauw, you can check the second answer here: replaced-url
4647[22:42:45] <Somelauw> Brigo: maybe, but I only want it for local user
4648[22:43:01] <teraflops> Somelauw: for lightdm use ~/.xprofile
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4650[22:43:26] <teraflops> Somelauw: lightdm soures that file
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4653[22:43:41] <teraflops> Sources*
4654[22:43:47] <buu_> So
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4656[22:44:11] <Somelauw> teraflops: I have xsession symlinked xprofile. What does lightdm source it with, under what shell is the file run, because wildcards are not working for me.
4657[22:44:18] <buu_> Anyone know what kind of kernel(?) bug I could be tickling to make transfer from a ssd block device to a nvme block device hilariously super slow?
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4659[22:44:48] <buu_> Is there some kind of random magic that makes reading/writing actual block devices grind to a halt?
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4661[22:45:20] <buu_> Or should I have just used windows for better driver support for the clone?
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4665[22:45:37] <teraflops> Heh that symlink looks gross
4666[22:45:45] <jhutchins> buu_: Yeah, you do that. Better driver support. Uh-huh.
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4669[22:46:16] <teraflops> Somelauw: what are you trying to set?
4670[22:46:16] <jhutchins> buu_: Check your logs for errors.
4671[22:46:20] <buu_> There are none
4672[22:46:24] <buu_> Cleanest logs in the entire world
4673[22:46:34] <jhutchins> buu_: dmesg? syslog?
4674[22:46:37] <buu_> Yep
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4676[22:46:45] <Somelauw> oh,I don't have xprofile symlinked to xsession
4677[22:46:46] <buu_> Maybe the kernel is confused and thinks its a ACHI device and isn't?
4678[22:46:49] <jhutchins> buu_: Do you have smartmond installed and enabled?
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4680[22:46:54] <buu_> *AHCI
4681[22:46:59] <buu_> jhutchins: I do not
4682[22:47:00] <jhutchins> buu_: What hypervisor?
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4685[22:47:51] <Somelauw> teraflops: export PATH=~/bin/*/:$PATH
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4688[22:48:21] <buu_> jhutchins: It's not running under a hypervisor
4689[22:48:28] <Somelauw> teraflops: but at least in .xsessionrc it doesn't expand *
4690[22:48:30] <buu_> Just a plain debian jessie install
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4696[22:49:49] <jaggzt> what's the proper way to get testing/unstable repos added, for jessie, so I can use the later nvidia drivers and cuda dev toolkit?
4697[22:49:54] <buu_> Watching it in iostat was a little weird, it would 'start' at like 1500KB/s then spike up to 10-20k then fall back down over the course of about 3-4 seconds
4698[22:50:17] <buu_> jaggzt: Upgrade to testing?
4699[22:50:31] <jaggzt> buu_, hmmm.. should I?
4700[22:50:40] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: do not add testing/unstable repos to a stable system, it breaks (or simply upgrades to testing/unstable)
4701[22:50:42] <buu_> Probably
4702[22:50:47] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: did you check backports?
4703[22:51:08] <buu_> jaggzt: Generally debian stable and 'latest nvidia/cuda' is not the same type of use case
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4705[22:51:42] <jaggzt> I have backports in, but there are some dependency issues.. I'm not sure what to do about it: replaced-url
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4707[22:52:08] <jaggzt> I currently am using nvidia's own self-installer, not the debian repo packages
4708[22:52:26] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: gross
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4710[22:52:37] <buu_> jaggzt: Just upgrade to unstable
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4712[22:52:43] <buu_> There's little reason not to
4713[22:52:43] <jaggzt> jmcnaught, well, there were no debian packages for the version I needed at the time
4714[22:52:47] <jaggzt> okay
4715[22:52:51] <jaggzt> !dpkg unstable?
4716[22:52:51] <dpkg> Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. replaced-url
4717[22:53:00] <jaggzt> shoot.. sorry I should have directed that to myself. not sure how to do that
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4719[22:53:08] <buu_> jaggzt: /msg dpkg unstable
4720[22:53:15] <jaggzt> tx
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4723[22:53:49] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: using unstable has its own issues, it frequently breaks or has bugs that you'll need to know how to fix. definitely research it a little more
4724[22:54:18] <buu_> This is true but someone installing the latest nvidia linux drivers is probably not looking for 300day uptimes
4725[22:54:23] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: the proper way to install nvidia drivers is listed here: replaced-url
4726[22:55:00] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: also note that using the nvidia installer from their website can cause problems, and usually needs to be redone every time your kernel is updated
4727[22:55:35] <TomTomTosch> buu_, still wouldn't recommend unstable.
4728[22:55:41] * jmcnaught is not a big fan of telling people "just upgrade to unstable, it's simple/easy"
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4732[22:57:09] * buu_ shrugs
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4734[22:57:34] <buu_> Honestly in like 5+ years of running unstable I've never had it blow up my system, so I might be biased
4735[22:57:39] <buu_> Besides, it's a learning experience.
4736[22:57:48] <jaggzt> yeah it's mostly just the nvidia that I need right now.. I'll try backports .. need to get rid of the nvidia installed stuff I think (and my .run seems to be gone)
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4741[22:58:02] <jaggzt> I'm actually trying to get OpenCL dev files installed (to do gpu coding)
4742[22:58:20] <jhutchins> buu_: Not having had a problem doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist, just that you don't know much about it.
4743[22:58:25] <buu_> obviously
4744[22:58:30] <jaggzt> buu_, indeed, when something breaks, you guys sure end up learning me a lot :)
4745[22:58:39] <buu_> So I let the dd command run overnight and now it's like 50% done and projected time is another 7+ hours
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4747[22:58:54] <jaggzt> what are you dd'ing?
4748[22:58:55] <buu_> But there might be a faster way to do it but that would mean I lose all the time I spent
4749[22:58:56] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: there is a nvidia-installer-cleanup package that might help you clean up after it
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4751[22:59:04] <buu_> jaggzt: two ssds
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4753[22:59:20] <jaggzt> ahh.. nvidia-uninstall .. nice
4754[22:59:21] <buu_> So if the faster way doesn't work I'm out like 10 hours
4755[22:59:37] <jaggzt> yeah, faster would be doing it with the fs instead of dd
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4757[22:59:43] <buu_> why?
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4759[22:59:44] <teraflops> Somelauw: Does that export work if you run directly from the command line?
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4762[22:59:49] <jhutchins> buu_: Did you mention how much data is involved?
4763[22:59:51] <jaggzt> because.. are your sdd's full?
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4765[22:59:56] <buu_> jaggzt: 512gb disks
4766[23:00:02] <buu_> er, jhutchins ^
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4768[23:00:06] <jaggzt> but how much free space?
4769[23:00:13] <buu_> Dunno, some
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4771[23:00:24] <buu_> The sizes involved are so small that it shouldn't make a difference =[
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4773[23:00:36] <jaggzt> k.. fs copying would be faster only if there's a significant amount of freespace -- which the dd would all be uselessly copying
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4776[23:00:46] <jhutchins> buu_: That's a half-terrabyte, not inconsiderable.
4777[23:00:51] <jaggzt> no matter.. I sometimes just use dd for the simplicity
4778[23:00:57] <Somelauw> teraflops: I simplified it before pasting it here, but yes in principle my line works when run in bash or zsh.
4779[23:00:59] <jhutchins> buu_: I've seen formatting drives that size take a very long time.
4780[23:01:03] <buu_> jhutchins: Yeah, it's about 20 minutes at real speeds
4781[23:01:08] <jhutchins> buu_: Did you specify block sizes?
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4783[23:01:16] <buu_> jhutchins: Yeah, I tried a bunch of different ones
4784[23:01:18] <jaggzt> buu_, you know you can send a signal to dd to get it to output its status?
4785[23:01:22] <buu_> I know
4786[23:01:24] <jaggzt> k
4787[23:01:26] <buu_> That's how I know it's 50% done
4788[23:01:30] <jaggzt> gotcha
4789[23:01:34] <buu_> Well, was 4 hours ago
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4791[23:01:48] <jhutchins> buu_: I would think smartmond would be a good idea going forward.
4792[23:02:07] <buu_> I'll give it a shot
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4794[23:02:18] <buu_> The thing is though, that invidividually both disks worked as expected
4795[23:02:19] <jaggzt> okay.. I wonder if I should nvidia-uninstall before trying to install the packages here
4796[23:02:26] <buu_> It's only when I go from A to B at the same time
4797[23:03:02] <buu_> And I saw the same issue on two different mobos
4798[23:03:15] <teraflops> Somelauw: well since I do not know what you exactly export i have no idea
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4800[23:03:51] <buu_> iostat said I had 25% iowait 75% free
4801[23:04:12] <buu_> Which makes sense since it's only a 4core box I think
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4806[23:05:09] <jaggzt> jmcnaught, any ideas on whether I should run the uninstall or just install the nvidia packages?
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4809[23:05:22] <jaggzt> jmcnaught, also, should I shut down X before doing any of that? :)
4810[23:05:45] <simonlnu> uninstall first, i'd say, start with 'clean' system
4811[23:05:56] <jaggzt> <-- always amazed that things keep running in X even after doing a dist-upgrade
4812[23:06:09] <simonlnu> unix, man ;)
4813[23:06:10] <jaggzt> (staying at the current version, but updating everything, that is)
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4815[23:06:28] <jaggzt> also, I noticed an "unattended upgrades" thing going on when I rebooted a couple weeks ago..
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4819[23:07:12] <jaggzt> okay.. well.. I hope I come back up, and that my cuda works in blender after this
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4823[23:08:10] <simonlnu> the nvidia stuff works really well
4824[23:08:21] <buu_> We'll miss you
4825[23:08:24] <jaggzt> yeah it's been pretty clean for me..
4826[23:08:27] <simonlnu> the debian stuff
4827[23:08:34] <nadu> hi
4828[23:08:37] <jaggzt> they put a lot of effort into it. I feel pretty good about nvidia
4829[23:08:42] <simonlnu> yeah
4830[23:08:42] <nadu> is there a security repo for backports?
4831[23:08:45] <jaggzt> okay.. uninstalled.. and I'm still in X :)
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4835[23:09:04] <simonlnu> the drivers aren't unloaded
4836[23:09:17] <jaggzt> I feel like there's one of those whatchamacallit holes under the foundation of my X right now
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4838[23:09:31] <simonlnu> missing file, yup
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4840[23:09:46] <simonlnu> you're about to fill it in again
4841[23:09:56] <jaggzt> should I reboot before installing nvidia drivers? (X will try to come up automatically when I boot)
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4844[23:10:04] <jaggzt> or just go right to the packages
4845[23:10:11] <simonlnu> if it's your main video, yes
4846[23:10:16] <jaggzt> yeah it's my main
4847[23:10:22] <simonlnu> oh, no, don't bother. only after
4848[23:10:22] <jaggzt> but I don't have a replacement in yet
4849[23:10:24] <jaggzt> okay
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4854[23:11:01] <simonlnu> !backports
4855[23:11:02] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
4856[23:11:03] <jaggzt> (I *thought* I had the cuda toolkit installed.. and I might have.. but I don't have any CL headers in my system.. so perhaps that's a new feature which I'm hoping to get installed now)
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4858[23:11:12] <jaggzt> (ie. OpenCL support.. not just CUDA dev)
4859[23:11:19] <simonlnu> *nods*
4860[23:11:40] <jaggzt> I have a remote server running wheezy .. I've procrastinated on updating that because it's a live system :/
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4862[23:12:22] <dartleader> I want to have all my music stored on one computer, and be able to access and play it with other computers on my network - will pulseaudio work for this? Or what would you guys recommend?
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4864[23:12:33] <jaggzt> and I have little time to get across town to fix it if I can't access it... (although isp could set me up with the kvm thing or whatever it's called)
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4866[23:12:49] <jaggzt> dartleader, possibly just file sharing?
4867[23:13:05] <simonlnu> i have a remote console to my server. milan is a little far ;)
4868[23:13:08] <jaggzt> but if you need it as a media center thing.. there's stuff for that too.. never dealt with it
4869[23:13:35] <dartleader> jaggzt, I'd rather just have it all on one comp instead of transferring all the files
4870[23:13:46] <jaggzt> thank you guys for holding my hand through the nvidia thing.. being a lone admin can be pretty fatiguing .. with all the other stuff one (me) must actually focus on nowadays
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4873[23:14:29] <jaggzt> dartleader, well.. no you just have the filesystem shared.. (samba/cifs or whatever it's called)
4874[23:14:47] <dartleader> jaggzt, ohhhhh, I'll look into that
4875[23:14:47] <simonlnu> dlna stuff
4876[23:14:48] <jaggzt> then they can access the folders of media files and just play them or whatever
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4878[23:15:20] <jaggzt> yeah.. dlna .. then you can have it as a media center instead of just sharing files
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4883[23:16:16] <jaggzt> dartleader, replaced-url
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4889[23:17:47] <jaggzt> okay.. reboot
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4891[23:18:10] <nadu> sorry, I'm just a bit confused. I installed letsencrypt from backports which also installed for example python-bpr in version 1.8.0-4~bpo8+1. However there is pythen-bpr 0.8.2-1 available from jessie main
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4901[23:19:50] <nadu> so python-bpr 1.8.0-4~bpo8+1 is newer than 0.8.2-1 from jessie main?
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4905[23:20:37] <jaggzt> re
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4907[23:21:33] <simonlnu> nadu: yes, it's backported, the bpo says it
4908[23:21:37] <simonlnu> hi jaggzt
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4915[23:23:57] <jaggzt> well.. nothing seems to be wrong :)
4916[23:24:14] <jaggzt> blender still has CUDA support.. yay..
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4918[23:24:22] <jaggzt> and I have my CL header files in..
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4921[23:26:00] <AntimatterCarp> "1.2. Experimental PowerPlay supports brings high performance to the amdgpu driver" Aww yeah
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4923[23:26:37] <AntimatterCarp> replaced-url
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4931[23:30:06] <TomTomTosch> nadu, the packages in backports are newer but less tested. security updates depend on the maintainer.
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4933[23:30:56] <Somelauw> teraflops: export PATH=~/bin:~/bin/*/:~/.local/bin:~/.gem/ruby/*/bin:$PATH
4934[23:31:24] <TomTomTosch> nadu, debian stable does not get new features after release. that
4935[23:32:06] <TomTomTosch> - that's why new stuff like letsencrypt can only be found in backports.
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4939[23:33:21] <happygilmoregent> can someone help me find/install libglib2.0:i386
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4944[23:34:20] <happygilmoregent> or find cli-common:i386
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4949[23:35:52] <happygilmoregent> Depends: cli-common:i386 (>= 0.5.6) but it is not installable
4950[23:35:52] <teraflops> Somelauw: youre using dash right?
4951[23:35:53] <happygilmoregent> Depends: libmono-corlib4.5-cil:i386 (>= 3.2.8) but it is not installable
4952[23:35:55] <happygilmoregent> Depends: libmono-system4.0-cil:i386 (>= 3.2.8) but it is not installable
4953[23:35:57] <happygilmoregent> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
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4959[23:36:55] <pugfantus> happygilmoregent: did you added the 386 arch to your system?
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4961[23:37:20] <happygilmoregent> yes
4962[23:37:37] <teraflops> Somelauw: tried $HOME instead of ~ and using "" ?
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4964[23:38:19] <pugfantus> happygilmoregent: libglib2.0-0 should be your package
4965[23:38:30] <happygilmoregent> "/var/lib/dpkg/arch has amd64(root) i386"
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4970[23:39:27] <pugfantus> happygilmoregent: did you apt-get update after you --add-arch?
4971[23:39:32] <happygilmoregent> yess
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4975[23:39:56] <happygilmoregent> whenever I run steam I get missing libraries and searching online for debian it says glib2.0 will fix
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4977[23:40:33] <teraflops> Somelauw: the issue seems to me related to expanding ~ and not related to the file where you do the export thing. I also believe the right file is ~/.bash_profile
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4996[23:47:57] <okee> I am attempting to update the sources.list file, but receive an error indicating readonly option is set add to ! override. Both myself and groups has rwx privileges.
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5000[23:49:10] <zinx> okee: is the filesystem writable?
5001[23:49:26] <okee> zinx> I don't know.
5002[23:49:55] <okee> zinx> I checked the file with ls -l and it says it is writable.
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