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59[00:15:27] <Maws2> Any tips on getting high resolution working with intel integrated graphics (2560x1600), only get option of 1920x1200 as max.........
60[00:15:34] <Maws2> (skylake)
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73[00:19:44] <Eduard_Munteanu> Maws2, do you have a suitable display? What connector are you using?
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79[00:21:00] <Maws2> Eduard_Munteanu, on HDMI right now, on a 30" which have max 2560x1600
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83[00:21:44] <Eduard_Munteanu> Sounds alright.
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86[00:22:27] <Eduard_Munteanu> Maws, note that not all cards can actually drive such a resolution
87[00:22:29] <r6ku> Maws: get a newer kernel and intel driver from backports replaced-url
88[00:22:49] <Maws> xrandr says max 1920x1200 for some reason and I'm stuck on it
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91[00:23:43] <Maws> what's the name of the driver ? tried to install xserver-xorg-video-intel
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93[00:24:02] <r6ku> yeah, that's the one
94[00:24:09] <Maws> and I'm on a clean debian testing install so should be latest kernel ?
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98[00:24:47] <markybob> Maws: no. clean install doesn't have backports
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100[00:24:52] <Gargamel64> hi, I have a weird problem with eclipse. the program is loaded, but can't display (and edit) php files. i get exceptions of "Could not open the editor: The editor class could not be instantiated. This usually indicates a missing no-arg constructor or that the editor's class name was mistyped in plugin.xml."
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104[00:26:41] <Maws> markybob, yea, but I'm on "debian testing" shouldn't that be the same as using backports ?
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106[00:27:07] <markybob> Maws: no. and testing isn't supported here per /topic. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
107[00:27:13] <themill> Maws: it's helpful if you let people know that up front
108[00:27:33] <themill> markybob: s/isn't supported here/is better supported elsewhere/
109[00:28:10] <markybob> themill: then fix the topic
110[00:28:18] <Maws> themill: I did state it earlier on at least......
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112[00:28:19] <themill> there's nothing wrong with the topic
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114[00:28:45] <themill> Maws: sorry, I missed that
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116[00:29:16] <Maws> themill, no worries, I'l check in debian-next
117[00:29:17] <themill> Maws: there seems to be a move to go away from the intel driver and use the built-in modesetting driver
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120[00:30:12] <Maws> themill, any way to tell what driver is actually loaded on this system btw?
121[00:30:22] <themill> Xorg.0.log
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124[00:31:50] <Maws> themill, hmmm, any tips on where that log is located?
125[00:31:57] <themill> /var/log
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129[00:32:56] <Maws> hmm, no xorg log there, so starting to think I might have to do some xorg config somehow.......
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131[00:33:31] <Numan> good luck with that
132[00:33:44] <themill> Maws: in stretch it might be ~/.local/share/xorg
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135[00:34:14] <Maws> themill, thnx it was :)
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139[00:35:24] <stacks88> some files may or may not have gotten accidentally removed on my system over the network (long story), so if i reboot it may not come back up or it might be fine. but is there any way to check ? like i know theres debsums command, i ran that and everything seemed fine. but any other way to verify the "system integrity" so to speak, before i reboot ?
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164[00:44:14] <Maws> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER Maws vrrcqghqnign
165[00:44:34] <themill> Maws: New UNIX password:
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167[00:44:48] <Maws> hehe, naaa, cut/paste :)
168[00:45:15] <themill> All I saw here was ******** but you might want to change that
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185[00:49:56] <Maws> themill, already done ;)
186[00:50:00] <Maws> but thnx
187[00:50:02] <Maws> lol
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234[01:02:47] <Bray90820> I am getting this error on ubuntu
235[01:02:48] <Bray90820> Unable to create new logical volume with no extents mount: special device /dev/server/data-snap does not exist
236[01:03:00] <Bray90820> Prob better to ask in ubuntu but i thought would try here
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243[01:04:59] <sypher> Bray90820: It is better to ask in Ubuntu. We don't support Ubuntu here.
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245[01:05:15] <Bray90820> Alright
246[01:05:17] <Bray90820> Thanks
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272[01:15:01] <lux_> yo
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288[01:22:45] <Arthur_Den> hello, I am using Debian 7 on a VPS and would like to know how I can set networking as a requirement for init.d scripts. Currently there's '# Required-Start: $remote_fs $syslog', do I just add '$network' or so?
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312[01:33:26] <flp___> hi, I have a process that uses 100% of my 4cpu cores. I'd like to have some of that cpu time back and I want it to idle so my laptop fans stays silent. How could I do it?
313[01:34:31] <Sir_Designer> have you tried to "nice" it?
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322[01:38:40] <flp___> It's a rendering process and its already running. I think I got it to work by `echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/online`
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325[01:39:00] <flp___> oh I forgot theres renice
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331[01:41:36] <ryouma> not finding anything definitive online. is this error meaningful? "systemd-hostnamed[8584]: Warning: nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing the local hostname might make it unresolveable. Please install nss-myhostname!"
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335[01:44:03] <jim> I'm a little clueless here... I have a machine that has a video. [8086:0412], and judd doesn't say which driver to use... can someone find it or tell me how to find it?
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342[01:45:29] <jim> it's got debian jessie on it, not quite finished configuring its net, but I can ssh to it from a machine on the same eth
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346[01:47:20] <markybob> jim: i think that's optimus
347[01:47:36] <markybob> jim: i could be wrong
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361[01:50:04] <jim> it's an asus z97k mobo with a core i5-4590 cpu
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375[01:59:27] <jim> markybob, anyway thanks for the response... now that I have the machine in my hands, I have time to figure it out
376[01:59:42] <jim> so no pressure, and again thanks
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378[02:01:28] <jim> right now trying to figure out how to get its net configured properly... the last progress I made, was to be able to ping the gw
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382[02:04:26] <jim> I think I see the routing problem
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388[02:05:59] <tharkun> Good $DATE I tried dpkg-reconfigure locales and it fails to swit to iso8859-1 this is a fresh install Is there anyting I need to do or that I am missing?
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393[02:07:09] <Finetundra> ok so I need help and I need it bad
394[02:07:25] <Finetundra> I've managed to revoke all non root permissions
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404[02:11:19] <tharkun> Finetundra: Define revoke all non root permissions.
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406[02:11:50] <Finetundra> tharkun: so nonroot users can't do anything except login and home directories are unreachable
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412[02:13:01] <tharkun> chown and chmod are your friends.
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414[02:13:17] <Finetundra> tharkun: that doesn't tell me anything
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419[02:14:48] <tharkun> you need to fix the permissions chmod is the way to do it from console as root. man chmod and man chown
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438[02:23:57] <ZodoTurtle> Anyone here able to help with static key openvpn setup?
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440[02:25:17] <ZodoTurtle> If I setup 2 of these. Do I need to use 2 ports?
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454[02:31:59] <Eduard_Munteanu> ZodoTurtle, I think so, unless you intend to use the same key
455[02:32:33] <Finetundra> tharkun: you're gonna have to give me more to go on
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457[02:32:46] <ZodoTurtle> I would use the same key, but one of those machines is going to the other side of the world. Hmm.
458[02:32:50] <sypher> ZodoTurtle: static key should only be used with a point to point. In fact, I think you can't do anything else.
459[02:33:03] <Finetundra> tharkun: I don't have enough of an idea of what I'm doing
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461[02:33:11] <ZodoTurtle> sypher: And can I do 2 point to point connections?
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463[02:33:12] <sypher> ZodoTurtle: So, if you want multiple clients connecting, you should configure a proper RSA key setup.
464[02:33:30] <sypher> Finetundra: What did you do to break it originally?
465[02:33:35] <Eduard_Munteanu> ZodoTurtle, in that case I think you can set up a multi-client server
466[02:33:51] <Eduard_Munteanu> But a proper PKI is always better.
467[02:34:16] <ZodoTurtle> Yeah, also requires a LOT more work. UGH.
468[02:34:31] <Finetundra> sypher: I was fiddling with permissions and I accidently made a change that started to lock out standard users
469[02:34:33] <sypher> ZodoTurtle: Only a few extra steps.
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472[02:34:42] <sypher> Finetundra: And what change was that?
473[02:34:50] <Eduard_Munteanu> ZodoTurtle, it's quite simple with easyrsa (the scripts OpenVPN recommend)
474[02:35:02] <sypher> For a multi-client server, you require having a PKI setup rather than shared-key only.
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476[02:35:26] <Finetundra> sypher: It was access permissions
477[02:35:38] <tharkun> Finetundra: adduser someone
478[02:35:42] <sypher> Finetundra: You seem to misunderstand the question. What exact change did you make?
479[02:35:55] <tharkun> look at how permissions wwhere assigned and act accordingly
480[02:36:00] <Finetundra> sypher: I don't remember the exact field I changed
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485[02:37:06] <sypher> Finetundra: Then it's going to be difficult for us to help you fix the problem.
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487[02:37:20] <Finetundra> sypher: yeah, I know
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492[02:39:07] <ZodoTurtle> So much for quick install.
493[02:39:47] <sypher> ZodoTurtle: Multi-client VPNs aren't a simple business.
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495[02:40:12] <Eduard_Munteanu> ZodoTurtle, replaced-url
496[02:40:28] <Eduard_Munteanu> ZodoTurtle, those scripts are already there on Debian (if not, install easyrsa)
497[02:40:43] <ZodoTurtle> yeah, whatever. Not like I want to setup some massive business of 10 to 10000 clients. Just 2 or 3.
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501[02:41:25] <sypher> ZodoTurtle: Dude, cut the attitude. The system doesn't care if its 2 clients or 1,000. Anything beyond 1 requires the same configuration.
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504[02:42:23] <Eduard_Munteanu> Really now, it's just 4 commands or so to set up a CA, server cert and 2 client certs.
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507[02:43:33] <Eduard_Munteanu> . vars; ./build-ca; ./build-dh; ./build-key-server; ./build-key; ./build-key
508[02:43:56] <Eduard_Munteanu> ZodoTurtle, does the above look terribly complex to you?
509[02:43:58] <ZodoTurtle> It is more commands than that when you consider you have to distribute all the files into the proper locations. They don't magically put themselves in place.
510[02:44:13] <ecom> I'm having problems getting a stable wifi connection with network manager. Usually my speeds are 15 mbps and now it is <10 kbps. It takes a very long time to even load google. I restarted my router and all my other devices have the normal speed of 15 mbps.
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512[02:44:21] <ZodoTurtle> but, I'll shut up.
513[02:44:55] <sypher> Eduard_Munteanu: When he wants something GUI-easy handed to him, yeah, it probably looks complex.
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524[02:48:56] <tharkun> Where can I get a list of the packages a base install has?
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526[02:49:18] <Eduard_Munteanu> ZodoTurtle, if you're not using some form of configuration management, you probably should, by the way.
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528[02:49:39] <Finetundra> alright, lets resolve this one
529[02:49:40] <Finetundra> sudo: /usr/bin/sudo must be owned by uid 0 and have the setuid bit set
530[02:49:46] <Finetundra> can I get help with that?
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534[02:50:39] <Finetundra> I do have something logged as root right now so
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540[02:51:50] <Eduard_Munteanu> Finetundra, chown root:root /usr/bin/sudo; chmod u+s /usr/bin/sudo
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547[02:53:23] <Eduard_Munteanu> Finetundra, actually make that chmod 1755 /usr/bin/sudo to be sure
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552[02:54:37] <Finetundra> Eduard_Munteanu: now I have this
553[02:54:41] <Finetundra> sudo: error in /etc/sudo.conf, line 0 while loading plugin `sudoers_policy'
554[02:54:42] <Finetundra> sudo: /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so must be owned by uid 0
555[02:54:44] <Finetundra> sudo: fatal error, unable to load plugins
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559[02:55:25] <markybob> Finetundra: you seemed to have fucked things up in amazing ways. reinstall and use backups
560[02:56:02] <Finetundra> ya know, that was somthing I was trying to avoid
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562[02:56:25] <Finetundra> But if you see no other option than I can go through with it
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564[02:56:58] <markybob> Finetundra: yes. that's my opinion.
565[02:57:15] * Finetundra sighs
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567[02:57:36] <Finetundra> First time around it was the disk failing and now this
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571[02:58:19] <markybob> Finetundra: next time keep a log of everything you do. without knowing exactly what you did makes helping you difficult
572[02:58:20] <dvs> But how did it "get to this"?
573[02:58:33] <markybob> dvs: he doesn't remember what he did
574[02:58:55] <dvs> chmod -R 777 ?
575[02:59:10] <Finetundra> dvs: what does that do?
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578[02:59:36] <dvs> Finetundra, turns on all permissions for a file
579[02:59:49] <markybob> and sub files
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582[02:59:59] <Finetundra> will that restore everything?
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585[03:00:14] <dvs> Finetundra, no that's a really bad thing to do.
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589[03:01:07] <Finetundra> dvs: well, if I can get everything working then I can set the proper permissions
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591[03:01:29] <Finetundra> so seing as I doubt this is getting any less fucked I'm gonna try that command
592[03:01:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> I wouldn't.
593[03:01:47] <somiaj> umm I wouldn't.
594[03:01:47] <Finetundra> Eduard_Munteanu: why?
595[03:01:50] <dvs> Finetundra, setting the proper permissions whould be very difficult for all files.
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601[03:02:14] <Eduard_Munteanu> It might even break stuff that checks for proper permissions.
602[03:02:23] <tharkun> like openssh
603[03:02:28] <Eduard_Munteanu> Aside from potential security issues.
604[03:02:30] <Eduard_Munteanu> Yeah.
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609[03:04:01] <tharkun> Finetundra: you actually fubared your system. Damn that is hard to do.
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611[03:04:22] <dvs> really?
612[03:04:33] * dvs doesn't think it's hard to foober a system
613[03:05:13] <tharkun> dvs: I dare you do that on your machine ;P
614[03:05:25] <dvs> ha!
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616[03:05:33] <dvs> Sure, I have backups!
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618[03:06:01] <Finetundra> tharkun: I don't know how I should take that
619[03:06:14] <Hermaeus-mora> yea stuff happens Finetundra
620[03:06:41] <Hermaeus-mora> it seams like debian needs nicer support people
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622[03:06:55] <tharkun> Finetundra: as a live lesson and laugh about it. That is the nice thing about this. We get to break our toys and then we get to fix them.
623[03:07:07] <markybob> Hermaeus-mora: we're just telling him the truth that it's fucked and we don't know where to begin to help
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625[03:07:27] <Finetundra> markybob, tharkun I do appreciate that you guys tried
626[03:08:08] <Finetundra> well, time to grab what's left from a live system
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633[03:10:11] <Hermaeus-mora> Finetundra: well looks like you need to reinstall sadly
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664[03:23:37] <sigdk> kcachegrind : Depends: kde-runtime (> 4:4.10) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
665[03:23:41] <sigdk> some help with this ?
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667[03:24:01] <dvs> ,v kde-runtime
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669[03:24:01] <judd> Package: kde-runtime on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-2; jessie: 4:4.14.2-2; sid: 4:15.08.3-1+b1; stretch: 4:15.08.3-1+b1; experimental: 4:15.12.1-1
670[03:24:57] <KINgGh0sT> I cannot get PulseAudio to recognise my Analog Audio Connection it only seems to find SPDif and HDMI.
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673[03:25:55] <sigdk> dvs, ?
674[03:26:13] <dvs> sigdk, you're not running wheezy or jessie
675[03:26:40] <sigdk> dvs, I don't know what I'm running...
676[03:26:56] <dvs> sigdk, then I cannot help
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678[03:27:36] <sigdk> I'm running jessie
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682[03:28:25] <sigdk> dvs, I'm running jessie
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688[03:29:00] <dvs> sigdk, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
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690[03:29:33] <sigdk> dvs, replaced-url
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693[03:30:18] <kiril> hello
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695[03:30:51] <kiril> could you tell me what is needed to run kde (plazma 5.5) ?
696[03:31:02] <kiril> is it available in debian testing?
697[03:31:03] <markybob> kiril: on jessie?
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701[03:31:52] <dvs> sigdk, "apt-cache policy kde-runtime" should tell you what's available.
702[03:32:09] <markybob> kiril: anyway no.
703[03:32:14] <kiril> i saw that on jessie is..DebianJessie contains the KDE Platform and Applications 4.14.0 and KDE Workspaces (Plasma) 4.11.13
704[03:32:35] <kiril> so no way..
705[03:32:41] <markybob> kiril: debian sid has 4.4 something. no
706[03:32:47] <markybob> 5.4*
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708[03:33:00] <kiril> 5.4 what?
709[03:33:15] <sigdk> dvs, replaced-url
710[03:33:24] <markybob> i thought we were talking about plasma
711[03:33:32] <sigdk> so can I install this ?
712[03:34:18] <dvs> sigdk, you should be able to
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716[03:35:04] <sigdk> dvs, well, I get the same: kde-runtime : Depends: phonon but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages....
717[03:35:31] <dvs> sigdk, That's why. You need to fix the broken packages.
718[03:35:43] <dvs> and they're held
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720[03:36:43] <sigdk> dvs, and how do I fix the dependences ?
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726[03:38:42] <dvs> sigdk, take the hold off of the broken packages.
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732[03:40:03] <sigdk> dvs, dude... it's obvious there are some dependencies broken. It was in my first paste... you don't help me approach the problem
733[03:40:06] <sigdk> anyway, thanks
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735[03:40:45] <dvs> sigdk, the dependencies are broken because you have held the packages that are broken.
736[03:42:10] <sigdk> dvs, thanks
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780[04:09:27] <Finetundra> does anyone have a link to instrustions for installing a netgear wna1100 wireless card?
781[04:10:55] <abrotman> !wna1100
782[04:10:55] <dpkg> The Netgear WNA1100 "Wireless-N 150 USB Adapter" is an 802.11n device (USB ID 0846:9030). It contains an Atheros AR9271 chipset; for device support on Debian systems, ask me about <ath9k_htc>. Not to be confused with the <wna1000>.
783[04:11:06] <abrotman> Finetundra: /msg dpkg ath0k_htc
784[04:11:10] <abrotman> Finetundra: /msg dpkg ath9k_htc
785[04:11:15] <abrotman> damn typos
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798[04:22:44] <Finetundra> abrotman: thanks
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806[04:33:04] <Finetundra> and could someone also give me the command for setting the default xsession? I think it's something like sudo update --alternatives something like that
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809[04:34:14] <ecom> I was here earlier with a wifi issue, and I found the root cause of my problem, but I'm not sure what to do. Running nm-connection-editor shows "Wired connection 1" being connected at the same time as my wifi network. I'm not connected to ethernet, so maybe that is why my wifi has been so unstable. How do I make network manager stop reading that I have an ethernet cable plugged in when i actually don't?
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811[04:35:59] <Finetundra> please disregard my previous question
812[04:36:23] <ZodoTurtle> openvpn help?
813[04:37:01] <ZodoTurtle> I can start the conenction using openvpn client.conf. How do I get it to run as a service?
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815[04:37:28] <ZodoTurtle> service openvpn restart doesn't appear to work.
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829[04:40:48] <jmcnaught> !openvpn enable
830[04:40:48] <dpkg> From Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, to have an OpenVPN VPN connection started at boot time, "systemctl enable openvpn@myvpn.service".
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832[04:41:11] <jmcnaught> ZodoTurtle: see ^^ and also check /usr/share/doc/openvpn/README.Debian.gz
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842[04:45:55] <KANTOR> Can someone find out what I press to get into the BIOS of the MSI Cubi?
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846[04:48:49] <abrotman> google can?
847[04:49:22] <KANTOR> abrotman: NO it can't. Where's the link?
848[04:49:30] <ZodoTurtle> jmcnaught: okay. so, now how do I know if there connected, and where they are connected?
849[04:49:55] <ZodoTurtle> Who do I find their ip's? better would be to define their IP's
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853[04:50:52] <jmcnaught> ZodoTurtle: i'm not really an openvpn expert, but first i would try "systemctl status openvpn@myvpn.service"
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857[04:52:32] <KANTOR> abrotman: You couldn't find it either.
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860[04:53:29] <abrotman> KANTOR: I didn't try, it's not related to Debian
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862[04:54:43] <KANTOR> abrotman: We're all running Debian in here. That's a given. I just wanted to know how to get into my BIOS.
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865[04:56:11] <RoyK> KANTOR: that's not related to the OS
866[04:56:13] <ZodoTurtle> nevermind. I can find them assigned at the server.
867[04:57:12] <jmcnaught> KANTOR: check the manufacturer's website for a user manual is what i would do. This is a Debian specific tech support channel though, so this question would have been better asked in ##hardware or some other channel
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877[05:01:44] <KANTOR> Just read the manual.
878[05:01:47] <KANTOR> It doesn't say.
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880[05:02:14] <KANTOR> Why wouldn't they put the key somewhere clear?
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896[05:15:56] <sypher> KANTOR: How does this relate to Debian, at all?
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909[05:24:56] <ZodoTurtle> Okay. so, it is now 2.5 hours later and FINALLY, I have that really easy about 5 commands working. some hundret commands later?
910[05:25:02] <ZodoTurtle> *hundred.
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916[05:30:30] <ZodoTurtle> so, Not that you will remember. but, when I complain that somthing will be hard. It comes from experience. I know, that I know what I'm doing and can tell when something is not going to be so easy and simple.
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928[05:37:00] <factor1> Was trying to search for a method to hold a package that is borken so I can instll other stuff. What was the command to do this, the package is Google Chrome.
929[05:37:05] <factor1> broken^
930[05:37:24] <RoyK> bork!
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932[05:38:20] <factor1> So I dont have to remove the package before installing a new random package on deiban.
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935[05:38:49] <RoyK> factor1: apt-get install -f
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937[05:38:53] <RoyK> should sort things out
938[05:39:00] <factor1> that only removed the package.
939[05:39:15] <factor1> I want to make the package transparent to apt-get
940[05:39:33] <RoyK> apt-get purge?
941[05:40:16] <jmcnaught> factor1: if you have a third party repo that is causing problems like this, it's probably best to just remove it. in this case can you use chromium?
942[05:40:43] <factor1> Open pilot also is causing the problem .
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944[05:40:53] <factor1> I need to hold two packages.
945[05:41:12] <factor1> Im installing the bluethooth stuff so I can access my quad copter via bluethooth.
946[05:41:14] <themill> "hold" is not the right word.
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948[05:41:30] <factor1> But cant install the bluethooth stuff becasue of broken package.s
949[05:41:32] <themill> If you have broken dependencies, they must be fixed
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952[05:41:48] <factor1> Ive held packages before and it works fine.
953[05:41:51] <jmcnaught> factor1: removing the package and then reinstalling it won't lose any user data/config, that would be stored in /home. If you won't remove the 3rd party repos now, you should at least remove them next time you do a major release upgrade (like to stretch for example)
954[05:42:10] <factor1> Just a pain to do so.
955[05:42:13] <themill> this has nothing to do with "hold"
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1001[06:09:09] <poffs> how is debian planning to deal with the issue of US government demanding repository signing keys, so that they can push selected malicious updates to certain users/IP ranges?
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1003[06:09:22] <poffs> i just listened to obama's speech, so that's why i'm asking
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1007[06:12:47] <well_laid_lawn> if you're worried just run off a live cd
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1029[06:20:27] <shibly> If i correct the time on windows, I can't get the top right clock at the correct time on debian, why?
1030[06:20:38] <shibly> How can i get correct time permanently?
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1032[06:20:58] <shibly> Why does time change?
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1036[06:21:50] <cast> why does time change, well that's a bit of a big question
1037[06:22:37] <cast> how does your debian clock lose time? is it when the computer is off? is it after booting into windows and back again? How much time do you lose?
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1039[06:23:28] <themill> shibly: is it just always out by a certain number of hours?
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1041[06:24:36] <shibly> If i come from windows, time changes
1042[06:24:43] <shibly> Time advanced 6 hours
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1046[06:25:36] <themill> shibly: what's the output of "date --utc; date" on your machine?
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1048[06:26:10] <shibly> Sat Mar 12 05:25:06 UTC 2016
1049[06:26:48] <shibly> I have changed the time from top right clock settings
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1051[06:27:00] <themill> there should be two lines of output
1052[06:27:45] <themill> anyway, the issue is most likely that windows doesn't expect the hardware clock to be in UTC while linux does.
1053[06:27:46] <themill> !utc
1054[06:27:46] <dpkg> Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (replaced-url
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1058[06:29:09] <shibly> I will not mess with utc, i will change the time manually from top right clock settings
1059[06:29:13] <shibly> Thank anyway
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1061[06:29:36] <shibly> I don't understand UTC time
1062[06:29:43] <shibly> I understand the local time only
1063[06:29:53] <dedgecumbe> shibly: come to the UK
1064[06:30:01] <dedgecumbe> it is UTC here at the moment
1065[06:30:03] <dedgecumbe> :D
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1069[06:31:27] <somiaj> shibly: then follow the factoid and let debian know your hardware clock is using local time.
1070[06:31:52] <shibly> Is UTC time same to all country?
1071[06:32:06] <shibly> replaced-url
1072[06:32:15] <shibly> What do you see here: replaced-url
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1074[06:32:35] <cunpetst> what is the command to list all of the cd drives
1075[06:32:39] <cunpetst> and hard drives
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1077[06:32:58] <cunpetst> I know lsusb lists all usb drives
1078[06:33:14] <cunpetst> but I don't know which command lists all of the hdd and cd drives
1079[06:33:23] <somiaj> shibly: UTC time is not effected by time zones. Debian by default uses this time and then when it displays time shifts it by your timezone location. You have to change this behavior if you want to use local time.
1080[06:33:24] <themill> cunpetst: lshw is handy
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1082[06:33:49] <themill> shibly: you never did provide the output of "date --utc; date"
1083[06:34:02] <cunpetst> thanks
1084[06:34:13] <cunpetst> what about accessing a cd drive?
1085[06:34:40] <shibly> replaced-url
1086[06:34:43] <somiaj> cunpetst: usually if there is a cd in it you can tell debian to mount it as any file system.
1087[06:35:03] <somiaj> shibly: we will see the same time, as UTC is not effected by location.
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1089[06:35:25] <shibly> somiaj: Can you mention the time you are seeing currently there?
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1091[06:35:40] <themill> shibly: it is the same as you.
1092[06:35:43] <somiaj> shibly: the same one you are seing a bit past 5:30 am
1093[06:36:01] <somiaj> shibly: you don't seem to be listening to the advise you are being given.
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1095[06:36:22] <shibly> I'm seeing 5:36 AM there
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1098[06:37:20] <themill> that would be what "the same" means, yes.
1099[06:37:21] <shibly> dedgecumbe: Are you from UK?
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1104[06:38:18] <shibly> somiaj: Why did i see 6 minutes faster than you?
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1107[06:38:38] <themill> shibly: you don't.
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1109[06:39:27] <shibly> themill: replaced-url
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1112[06:40:25] <themill> shibly: I've run out of ways of explaining this. It's the same. For everyone.
1113[06:40:37] <shibly> Ok
1114[06:40:50] <shibly> But what are you seeing there?
1115[06:41:22] <themill> Is there some other language you'd rather seek help in? We don't seem to be doing very well at helping you.
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1119[06:43:22] <shibly> bash: lshw: command not found , why?
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1121[06:43:28] <somiaj> shibly: you didn't. UTC time is not dependent on location
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1123[06:44:26] <somiaj> shibly: but this is not the issue nor your question. You have a choice, tell debian to use UTC time or LOCAL time for your hardware clock. In both cases if you have your timezone correct, debian will display the correct local time [though if as mentioned you dual boot with windows your hardware clock may not agree with the debian setting]
1124[06:44:34] <somiaj> shibly: install the package lshw then
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1126[06:45:40] <themill> shibly: you never showed us the output of "date".
1127[06:46:16] <shibly> themill: date shows my local time, i don't want to reveal this here
1128[06:46:34] <themill> Good luck
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1133[06:48:00] <dedgecumbe_> the hacks
1134[06:48:06] <dedgecumbe_> CTCP reply from shibly: TIME Sat Mar 12 11:47:49 2016
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1137[06:49:11] <themill> Yeah, well, I already had it localised to that approximate longitude... I just hoped to have the right TZ designator there.
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1197[07:31:40] <austeregrim> lol
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1225[08:04:30] <MaBunny> is there an irc chan for Crossfire Game?
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1228[08:08:12] <MaBunny> guys?
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1259[08:35:55] <bluefive> HELLO.
1260[08:35:57] <bluefive> Is my CPU going to run hotter if I have enabled home folder ecryptfs encryption?
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1265[08:38:51] <AngeFede> bluefive, of course
1266[08:39:16] <AngeFede> encrypting needs the CPU working to encrypt-decrypt datas or any file
1267[08:39:37] <bluefive> But is it significant if the CPU has AES-NI?
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1318[09:10:08] <zj> help
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1370[09:40:12] <dfcnvt> I took a screenshot by using a hotkey: (Shift + Print Scr) I selected the area and it automatically took a screenshot and saved the file directly to the home directory. Yet, I don't see the window with an option for 'Copy to Clipboard'...How do I fix this?
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1374[09:41:00] <dfcnvt> I'm on Debian 8 with a desktop environment Cinnamon.
1375[09:41:14] <dfcnvt> Could Cinnamon be the problem and only gnome can do the job?
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1395[09:50:23] <hurdos> Hello
1396[09:50:41] <dfcnvt> Hello...
1397[09:50:48] <hurdos> Does someone build php7 deb package?
1398[09:51:01] <dfcnvt> I think everyone's sleeping since we may be mostly in United State.
1399[09:51:07] <hurdos> How to disable extra exts?
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1402[09:51:59] <dfcnvt> hurdos: Just a wild guess. I think you can hand-select which php you would like to install.
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1405[09:52:10] <hurdos> it happens :)
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1409[09:53:15] <dfcnvt> Let me see if I can help. I'll research a bit and get back to you.
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1412[09:53:38] <hurdos> I need rebuild php7 with ZTS but I got error related something with apache ext :(
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1419[09:55:28] <dfcnvt> Look like the answer is 'no' when it comes to disabling the extension in php. replaced-url
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1421[09:56:03] <dfcnvt> Huh, okay. Maybe you need to add?
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1427[09:57:05] <dfcnvt> hurdos: Try.... sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5
1428[09:57:16] <dfcnvt> But that's php5 and not php7... :\
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1431[09:57:27] <zamuro> Just a wild guess... Is there even a apache-php7 module?
1432[09:57:29] <hurdos> yep
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1434[09:57:52] <zamuro> Oh, nice.
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1436[09:58:08] <zamuro> Well... at least for php people.
1437[09:58:24] <hurdos> zamuro: nope, I said "yep" on prev msg :)
1438[09:58:27] <dfcnvt> Yea, I think you'll have a higher chance of getting answers from #php
1439[09:58:47] <TomTomTosch> hurdos, are you on stretch or sid?
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1442[09:59:30] <TomTomTosch> and i disagree that we are mostly american :P
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1444[09:59:45] <hurdos> I'm on deb8 but I added dotdeb repo that provides php7 package
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1449[10:01:54] <TomTomTosch> then try contacting them. this is a third-party issue. may have better luck asking them directly.
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1455[10:03:01] <zamuro> hurdos: Oh! Well, that's unfortunate then.
1456[10:03:11] <hurdos> Is it possible change build rules to disable building of apache ext? There is debian/rules replaced-url
1457[10:03:27] <zamuro> Of course, there's gotta be people actively working on that.
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1460[10:04:42] <zamuro> hurdos: Yup. debian/rules has the options for ./configure, so you might just as well not enabling the module.
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1468[10:05:48] <hurdos> I guess it is section with "apache2_config"
1469[10:06:13] <hurdos> but I do not understand how to turn off it :)
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1471[10:07:13] <zamuro> My guess is COMMON_CONFIG
1472[10:07:44] <hurdos> I did not see something of apache in common_config
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1475[10:08:08] <zamuro> Yeah, I just saw it. There is an apache_config.
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1477[10:08:30] <zamuro> So if you delete all that, you might get rid of it.
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1481[10:08:54] <zamuro> Of course, you need to rebuild the package.
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1483[10:09:08] <hurdos> yep, I will try
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1494[10:12:11] <cynthia__> I want to ask, is there a difference between EFI and /boot? i'm having trouble configuring the partition, trying to install Jessie on a fresh hard drive
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1500[10:15:07] <dfcnvt> cynthia__: Just recently, I've installed debian two days ago. If I remember, you simply pick the hard drive then there would be an options for partition, I think it would be recommended to have all in one. After the change, you should select the single branch of your selected hard drive.
1501[10:15:29] <dfcnvt> note, I don't know much about EFI & /boot in what you were referring to.
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1504[10:16:50] <cynthia__> dfcnvt: you didn't manually change any of the sizes yourself? I have a 3TB hard drive and i'm trying to partition it effectively and efficiently... i want to have 1TB for home though i have 10GB for /, 8GB for swap and the rest is kinda up in the air... /usr, /var, etc, ...not sure
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1506[10:20:00] <dfcnvt> I see. Sometime I don't know what's best amount or optimization for each partition. Mine was 120 GB for the whole main Debian system. Any personal file was saved to my external drive, 1 TB.
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1508[10:21:20] <dfcnvt> I'll leave it to people here helping you out. Good luck.
1509[10:21:39] <cynthia__> thanks dfcnvt
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1517[10:24:26] <rysiek|pl> well, the mdadm-based RAID1 partition resize isn't going well
1518[10:24:59] <rysiek|pl> sed s/resize/shrink/
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1523[10:26:49] <rysiek|pl> I have shrunk the filesystem on /dev/md2 with resize2fs, then shrunk the array size with mdadm --grow (to a size a bit larger than new filesystem size), then removed one of the two partitions that are parts if the array with mdadm --fail
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1525[10:27:50] <rysiek|pl> then shrunk (actually, deleted, added new with smaller size) the partition on the physical drive with fdisk (to a size yet a bit larger than the current array size)
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1527[10:28:22] <rysiek|pl> and tried adding it back to the array with mdadm -a /dev/md2 /dev/sda3
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1529[10:28:35] <rysiek|pl> mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda3: Device or resource busy
1530[10:29:30] <rysiek|pl> which is rather unsurprising, I guess, since two other partitions on the sane drive are parts of different arrays (md0, md1), and I git "Re-reading the partition table failed.: Device or resource busy" when changing partitions with fdisk on /dev/sda3
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1532[10:30:11] <rysiek|pl> the question now is: what to do about that. reboot and hope? remove all partitions from all arrays, reload the kernel partition table, and recreate the arrays?
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1539[10:31:31] <zamuro> rysiek|pl: The safest bet is to actually drop the partition table and start over. But you might not want to do that.
1540[10:31:44] <rysiek|pl> zamuro: not really, no
1541[10:31:50] <rysiek|pl> well, I do have backups
1542[10:32:05] <rysiek|pl> and I am doing this on the testing server to prep for the same stuff in production
1543[10:32:38] <rysiek|pl> so what I want to have is a surefire way to shrink an mdadm-managed partition-based RAID1 array without losing data
1544[10:33:26] <rysiek|pl> zamuro: this is what I was doing: replaced-url
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1546[10:33:47] <zamuro> Wouldn't that bring a misconfiguration of the array? Since partitions are actually set up into the array and not into the physical drive.
1547[10:33:58] <rysiek|pl> ?
1548[10:34:32] <rysiek|pl> the arrays are partition-based. as in, md2 is made up of /dev/sda3 and /dev/sdb3
1549[10:34:51] <zamuro> Oh, I see.
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1553[10:35:13] <rysiek|pl> zamuro: so, my options are I guess:
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1558[10:36:08] <rysiek|pl> 1. mdadm /dev/md2 --remove /dev/sda3; mdadm /dev/md2 --stop; mdadm /dev/md0 --stop; mdadm /dev/md1 --stop; reload the partition table; start md2; add sda3 to it and see what happens
1559[10:36:12] <rysiek|pl> 2. reboot and hope
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1562[10:37:13] <zamuro> If deleting the partition table altogether is not an option, that's the safest bet.
1563[10:37:25] <rysiek|pl> 1. or 2.? ;)
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1566[10:37:31] <zamuro> But, if you do have backups, that wouldn't be a problem.
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1568[10:37:42] <zamuro> The first one.
1569[10:37:46] <rysiek|pl> aha
1570[10:37:50] <rysiek|pl> okay, let's see :)
1571[10:38:06] <zamuro> rebooting and crossing fingers usually don't pay off
1572[10:38:11] <rysiek|pl> zamuro: true
1573[10:38:14] <zamuro> LOL
1574[10:38:39] <rysiek|pl> zamuro: I am also guessing step 4. instead of:
1575[10:38:40] <rysiek|pl> mdadm /dev/md2 --fail /dev/sda3
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1577[10:38:42] <rysiek|pl> should be
1578[10:39:07] <rysiek|pl> mdadm /dev/md2 --fail /dev/sda3 --remove /dev/sda3
1579[10:39:36] <zamuro> First adding, then removing?
1580[10:40:18] <rysiek|pl> no no
1581[10:40:28] <rysiek|pl> actually removing, not just failing the drive in the array
1582[10:40:42] <zamuro> Oh, got it.
1583[10:40:59] <rysiek|pl> also, "mdadm --stop /dev/md0; mdadm --stop /dev/md1" should be there somewhere before doing anything with md2 and partitions on /dev/sda
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1587[10:41:28] <rysiek|pl> okay, here goes nothing
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1594[10:44:32] <rysiek|pl> oook, recovery started on md2
1595[10:44:37] <rysiek|pl> let's see how that goes
1596[10:45:07] <rysiek|pl> ~3h to go
1597[10:45:13] <zamuro> hahahah
1598[10:45:15] <rysiek|pl> 1.7TiB :)
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1602[10:45:56] <rysiek|pl> maybe I should say "fsck it" and just use the backups; the resize2fs shrink thing took ~20h on this bad boy
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1615[10:55:07] <jim> I'm now trying to get my sound working... it's on an asus z97k motherboard, it reports its pciid to be [8086:0412], and judd says that's snd-hda-intel, which I modprobed... I only get a s/pdif, any help here?
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1685[11:31:19] <ledufakademy> hi
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1697[11:36:28] <Malinux> anyone knows how to boot an efi-shell? Motherboard: GA-F2A78M-D3H
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1699[11:37:02] <Malinux> I have tried to boot a fat32-formatet usb-stick with a /efi/boot foler containtg the shell64x.efi file
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1701[11:39:02] <Malinux> :s/shell64x.efi/shellx64.efi/
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1737[12:01:19] <atralheaven> hello, I restored grub after installing windows and now I can boot to debian, but I don't have windows listed on bootloader!
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1747[12:07:21] <bertrik> atralheaven: I have a similar problem, but I can still boot windows by selecting a boot option in the bios
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1782[12:23:31] <cool06> hi all
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1784[12:23:50] <cool06> in my machine apt-get update git stucked and its very slow
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1971[13:53:01] <rszibele> Hello everyone. How can I contribute to the Debian Wiki? I'd like to add some hardware info to replaced-url
1972[13:53:23] <themill> Create an account and go for it
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1978[13:56:01] <rszibele> Oh, you have to create an account... always thought it was publicly editable.
1979[13:56:07] <rszibele> Thanks.
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1992[13:59:00] <rgr> It is publicly editable. but you need to create an account obviously so it can be tracked as to who changed what.
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2006[14:04:10] <fearnothing> hi folks, having a permissions issue
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2009[14:04:23] <fearnothing> I've set up a service account which owns a bunch of directories
2010[14:04:40] <fearnothing> but it's unable to read from a file in one of the subdirectories
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2012[14:05:03] <fearnothing> even though it has rw-rw---- permissions all the way down
2013[14:05:38] <fearnothing> what might be the problem?
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2015[14:05:52] <fearnothing> root@spaceball-1:/home/presidentskroob# sudo -u sneezed cat /usr/local/sneezed/CA/private/sneezed.crt
2016[14:05:52] <fearnothing> cat: /usr/local/sneezed/CA/private/sneezed.crt: Permission denied
2017[14:06:20] <fearnothing> root@spaceball-1:/home/presidentskroob# ls -lah /usr/local/sneezed/CA/private/sneezed.crt
2018[14:06:20] <fearnothing> -rw-rw---- 1 sneezed sneezed 1.3K Jun 27 2015 /usr/local/sneezed/CA/private/sneezed.crt
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2079[14:38:57] <dutchfish> rszibele, replaced-url
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2081[14:39:40] <dutchfish> rszibele, and replaced-url
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2094[14:44:35] <rszibele> dutchfish: Thanks, I'll check that out.
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2115[14:51:47] <hurdos> I got the error replaced-url
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2130[15:00:10] <aphorise> Is there any shell level utility such as screen or tmux where I'd be able to give the same key strokes to 2 or more seperate terminal areas?
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2134[15:00:47] <rgr> hurdos: did you correctly configure before trying to make? I dont know that particular package's build reqs though. Out of curiosity why are you compiling it?
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2137[15:01:51] <hurdos> rgr: I built pure deb pkg before change configuration
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2140[15:03:06] <hurdos> I added a few lines in debian/rules: --enable-maintainer-zts --enable-pthreads
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2155[15:08:46] <Walakea> how stable should debian testing be?
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2160[15:10:08] <hurdos> I used custom deb repo to fetch php7 pkg
2161[15:10:20] <abrotman> Walakea: Depends what you're using, and the wind speed in Topeka
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2165[15:12:37] <Walakea> this reminds me i should probably take my home folder to a separate partition
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2175[15:16:36] <rgr> Walakea : I use it for development. Never a bother (these days). In days gone by BSOD was common enough when the nvidia drivers etc might have changed the way they install. But generally it's pretty rock.... more stable than Ubuntu at any rate ;)
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2194[15:20:46] <Walakea> whose open-source drivers are generally better, AMD or Nvidia?
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2196[15:21:38] <abrotman> AMD
2197[15:21:59] <Plush-Teddy> Windows fanboys would say nVidia :P
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2200[15:22:44] <Walakea> i dont care much about performance
2201[15:23:08] <Walakea> i want it to work without having to use the proprietary crap
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2203[15:23:43] <r6ku> intel then? you can't use the radeon driver without the non-free firmware blob
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2207[15:24:29] <happygilmoregent> why can't steam just be 64bit
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2209[15:25:08] <abrotman> Walakea: then yes, Intel, but they don't make discrete cards anymore
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2216[15:26:39] <Walakea> what about the nvidia nouveau?
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2220[15:28:05] <abrotman> depends on your card
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2222[15:28:40] <Walakea> sadly i have 940 M
2223[15:28:54] <abrotman> whatever that is
2224[15:29:03] <Walakea> which probably means i will have to wait a while
2225[15:29:13] <Walakea> nvidia
2226[15:29:18] <Walakea> also intel
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2247[15:34:35] <r6ku> intel's new skylake cpus require non-free firmware too, I really don't like how hardware manufacturers have us by the balls, maybe in the future we will be able to make our own hardware :p
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2256[15:37:53] <Walakea> is it true, that G/L is getting better hardware support than before?
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2264[15:42:38] <Plush-Teddy> I'm glad that I built my new PC with AMD only
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2296[15:58:07] <asding> hi guys I dunno why some time ago I installed xserver-xorg-video-intel and I started having problem with the miniDP of my notebook. Can I just remove it now? Should I reconfigure xserver to use the "builtin modesetting"?
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2335[16:23:41] <Devastator> good evening, I was doing a dist-upgrade from wheezy to jessie and for some reason my screen is locked after sometime idle but there is no password box for unlock, screen just blinks when I move mouse pointer
2336[16:24:07] <Devastator> I can see the clock at the top and my username at the top of the screen
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2342[16:25:37] <Devastator> I think it's risk to reboot in this case, right?
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2489[16:38:42] <asding> hi guys I dunno why some time ago I installed xserver-xorg-video-intel and I started having problem with the miniDP of my notebook. I tried to uninstall it and then I was not able to login anymore (inserting pwd in the gdm3 login was not letting me in)
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2495[16:40:13] <mtn> asding: do you have an intel video card/chip?
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2497[16:41:19] <asding> mtn, yes, intel i5 and HD4400
2498[16:41:38] <mtn> asding: so, a hybrid video laptop?
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2500[16:41:54] <asding> mtn, nope, just the integrated
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2503[16:42:22] <mtn> asding: anyway, you obviously need the intel driver installed
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2507[16:42:48] <asding> mtn, do you suggest installing the one from intel? I mean not from the repo
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2509[16:42:58] <mtn> asding: no
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2515[16:43:43] <asding> mtn, so I should stick with the xserver-xorg-video-intel?
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2517[16:43:53] <mtn> asding: yes
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2527[16:46:50] <miesco> Hi my crontab isn't working. None of my scripts are running and I am getting no emails. root is running 'cron -f'. What is the first step to fixing this?
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2530[16:47:36] <karlpinc`> miesco: Look in the logs.
2531[16:47:42] <teraflops> Look at te logs.
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2533[16:47:45] <teraflops> Heh
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2541[16:49:59] <miesco> Okay its running. I guess 'notify-send' is just not working. Maybe it doesn't know what DISPLAY
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2548[16:50:52] <asding> mtn, ok, I tried to plug the monitor via dp now and it worked but then when detaching it I see just a black login screen on my laptop and everything is freezed. So I need to do a hard shutdown...
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2552[16:51:57] <karlpinc> miesco: Cron does not have much of an environment. "man 5 crontab"
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2562[16:54:23] <miesco> karlpinc: Okay I got it working. I just set `DISPLAY=:0` in my crontab
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2567[16:56:27] <asding> mtn, how can I collect some logs to see what's going on?
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2570[16:57:04] <mtn> asding: the logs are in /var/log
2571[16:57:05] <asding> same problem also when waking up from suspend
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2573[16:57:36] <mtn> asding: with intel you might want to try a newer kernel from backports, too
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2576[16:58:54] <asding> currently on 4.3.0-1
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2740[17:13:24] <migmolrod> hi guys. i have a question about default shell
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2747[17:13:41] <migmolrod> i'm currently trying to follow this guide replaced-url
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2771[17:16:17] <migmolrod> and it states to add the contrib and non-free repositories to sources.list. does this have security implications? just licenses?
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2773[17:16:41] <markybob> migmolrod: no. just licenses.
2774[17:16:49] <migmolrod> ok. thanks.
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2783[17:18:41] <migmolrod> i see, one of the reasons they say is to install libapache2_mod_fastcgi. and there is a 'free' version called libapache2_mod_fcgid. any experiences with them? some people say fastcgi is faster than fcgid. others say the contrary.... quite confusing
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2785[17:18:49] <lichenx1> does anyone know why after a reboot virtualbox doesn't work until I run "/sbin/rcvboxdrv setup" ?
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2787[17:19:04] <lichenx1> is there a way to make this permanent?
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2794[17:20:51] <karlpinc> migmolrod: Is it really going to matter is the real question. Do you have the traffic volume that makes you care? If you do, you're probably better off going to nginx anyway.
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2797[17:22:47] <migmolrod> it's not the traffic, but the vps i'm going to use is quite basic in terms of resouces for now (maybe if my main project goes well, i can go for a bigger one). i would prefer apache2 just for the .htaccess support. afaik, there is no equivalent to that in nginx, right?
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2799[17:23:26] <karlpinc> lichenx1: Adding something to rc.local is the easy kludge. Better would be to make a systemd system unit file. But both of those may well be the wrong way. The right way is to figure out why you need to do that in the first place.
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2802[17:24:26] <lichenx1> the command does this "Trying to register the VirtualBox kernel modules using DKMS "
2803[17:25:06] <rszibele> Is anyone able to make anything out of these boot messages: replaced-url
2804[17:25:24] <lichenx1> every time I run the command it solves the issue and I can run virtualbox, but I've never had this problem
2805[17:26:01] <rszibele> The card works just fine on Windows 7 and 10.
2806[17:26:10] <rszibele> So it's not defect.
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2809[17:27:49] <karlpinc> migmolrod: .htaccess sucks the wockus. There's no good reason to use them. What are you really trying to accomplish?
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2811[17:28:35] <migmolrod> using symfony2, a php framework that has already its own .htaccess
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2813[17:28:43] <migmolrod> in pretty much every project
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2825[17:32:45] <karlpinc> migmolrod: I can't say much then. I pretty much agree with replaced-url
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2831[17:36:41] <migmolrod> well, tons of things happened since 2012 in php world. i have to agree with quite some points of the article but others are just deprecated or inexistent/avoidable when using mature and well developed frameworks like symfony2.
2832[17:36:43] <migmolrod> plus i'm very comfortable with the language. keeping good practices also help a lot.
2833[17:36:45] <karlpinc> rszibele: What kernel are you running.
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2836[17:37:16] <karlpinc> migmolrod: It's not that good code can't be written in php, agreed.
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2839[17:38:55] <rszibele> karlpinc: Linux debian 4.4.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.4.4-2 (2016-03-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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2843[17:40:18] <karlpinc> migmolrod: I do have to disagree about mature frameworks and putting up with things. An counter example is pylons/pyramid. Started in September, 2005. And has been without clunkyness since. It's a matter of having been designed instead of "just grown". But this is off topic. We can take it to #debian-offtopic. (But can't say whether I'll really chat.)
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2846[17:41:18] <karlpinc> rszibele: That looks like sid. Perhaps you need support on #debian-next on irc.debian.org.
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2852[17:42:30] <rszibele> karlpinc: Thanks, I'll ask over there as well.
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2857[17:44:22] <migmolrod> yep. with mature i meant frameworks that are heavily focused on enterprise levels. i wasn't saying mature = lot of time. i was more like mature = built under solid principles and on the shoulders of giants
2858[17:44:39] <migmolrod> but agree its kinda offtopic :D
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2880[17:51:07] <Devastator> ,kernels
2881[17:51:08] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.5.0-rc7-686-pae (4.5~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.4.0-1-686 (4.4.4-2); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.5-1); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.5-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u3)
2882[17:51:18] <asding> Hi guys when I unplug my dp monitor I get this message on my notebook monitor "drm:intel_dp_start_link_train [i915]: ERROR failed to enable link training" then "failed to start channel equalization". Then there is no X... any clue? Is this related to the driver in use? I am using xserver-xorg-driver-intel
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2888[17:53:36] <ecom> I'm getting the error "
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2892[17:54:31] <somiaj> asding: what desktop do you use? What are you using to configure the second monintor?
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2896[17:55:08] <ecom> I'm getting the error "modprobe: bad line 1: 1 tokens found, 2 needed" on boot. What does it mean?
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2904[17:58:31] <asding> somiaj, I don't get it. Just gnome shell settings manager
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2907[17:59:12] <somiaj> asding: just wondering, as there are lots of different tools out there. If you go intot he settings and disable the monintor before you unplug it do you have the same issue?
2908[17:59:23] <somiaj> i.e. wondering if the issue is with some tool when it detects the monintor being unplugged
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2913[18:01:46] <asding> somiaj, ok I will try now (and then reboot)
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2932[18:06:20] <asding> somiaj, ok, I can play with the settings and no problem, just when I physically unplug the dp cable I get that message and a freeze. So I have to manually switch the system off
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2934[18:07:03] <somiaj> asding: after you manually turn it off, and unplug it, the same?
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2936[18:07:16] <somiaj> so the issue is with the autodetecting of it being unplugged while still being running.
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2941[18:08:42] <asding> somiaj, yeah, the same, I tried to switch it off from the settings and then remove the cable -> same results. tty console and the 2 lines of errors.
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2943[18:09:03] <asding> somiaj, I tell you that I've always used this setup without any problem for the last 3 years
2944[18:09:12] <asding> somiaj, just a week ago it all started
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2949[18:10:29] <asding> somiaj, and I think all this started after I installed "firmware-linux-nonfree".
2950[18:10:43] <somiaj> asding: what version of debian do you run, what video card?
2951[18:10:47] <somiaj> what video driver in x?
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2956[18:12:08] <asding> stretch, HD4400 integrated, driver=i915
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2960[18:13:21] <somiaj> Youc ould remove the firwmare package if you think that is the issue, but I don't think the intel driver uses any non-free firmware
2961[18:13:33] <somiaj> it could also be a kernel upgrade or another issue that arrose due to stretch is a moving target
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2963[18:14:16] <boubou> hey guys
2964[18:14:17] <boubou> I setupped the dns on Godaddy to resolve hide.my.ip.upsidehosting.com
2965[18:14:29] <boubou> how can I set reverse-dns ? `(
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2970[18:15:12] <asding> somiaj, tried also with other two older kernels, same story
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2972[18:15:31] <somiaj> asding: has the intel driver been updated recentally?
2973[18:15:38] <abrotman> boubou: a) not really a Debian questoin b) do you own your netblock?
2974[18:15:43] <somiaj> boubou: unless you have control of the ip you may not be able to setup revese dns?
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2978[18:16:28] <boubou> I agree, its not a debian question but you look very nice here
2979[18:16:38] <boubou> so I guesed to ask here
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2981[18:16:59] <boubou> yes, I have control on this ip
2982[18:17:15] <boubou> ohhhh, you just put on a light
2983[18:17:17] <boubou> :)
2984[18:17:27] <abrotman> boubou: you probably want #dns
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2986[18:18:17] <boubou> :)
2987[18:18:33] <ArchDuke> Getting 'WARNING **: Configuring 'pkgsel' failed with error code 100' trying to install debian stretch off a usb flashdrive
2988[18:18:36] <asding> somiaj, replaced-url
2989[18:19:17] <ecom> I get "iwconfig command not found" when running 'iwconfig'. I have the latest version of wireless-tools and I'm on the netdev group. How do I fix this?
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2992[18:19:48] <ecom> nevermind, you just run it in root
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2995[18:21:08] <somiaj> ecom: lots of system stuff is just not available in the users path.
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3017[18:29:42] <marjinal1st> Is there any file for MAKEFLAGS variable to be set default, in Jessie 8.3?
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3030[18:32:22] <asding> somiaj, should I try uninstalling something?
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3034[18:34:10] <kotten> marjinal1st you could set it in your .bashrc
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3038[18:35:42] <frikinz> .profile rather
3039[18:35:44] <kotten> marjinal1st I hope I am nog lying to you it could .profile but I am 99.999% sure that .bashrc is there and that de f.e. there you have HISTSIZE=1000
3040[18:35:45] <kotten> ok
3041[18:35:50] <kotten> so...
3042[18:35:52] <kotten> this is the...
3043[18:35:54] <marjinal1st> kotten: I know I can set as env variable. I'm asking that, is there file (in etc folder) that has the default value for that env variable?
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3045[18:36:05] <kotten> 0.001....
3046[18:36:33] <kotten> marjinal1st /etc/profile ?
3047[18:36:44] <clbk> /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie
3048[18:36:50] <clbk> i'm sorry
3049[18:37:11] <kotten> marjinal1st aha
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3051[18:37:22] <kotten> for that specific variable
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3053[18:37:50] <kotten> marjinal1st not that I know of.. I think that tends to be set by the program you are building
3054[18:37:55] <somiaj> asding: I'm unsure. That can be a problem with running testing is dealing with bugs that arise. I would work on tracking down the issue and seeing if there are any bugreports on it
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3059[18:38:41] <somiaj> man bash if you want to know the difference between when to use .profile vs .bashrc (or just source one from the other so they are both read in all cases)
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3061[18:38:59] <marjinal1st> kotten: I've seen that variable in Arch build systems default configuration file, so that I just wondered if Debian has default for it. Thanks anyway ;)
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3065[18:39:46] <somiaj> marjinal1st: afiak the build varaibles are set int he debian/ directory of the source. Though I'm unsure of any default place to set them.
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3075[18:42:02] <boubou> ./etc/ssh/sshd_config: line 71: Bad configuration option: ServerAliveInterval
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3079[18:42:11] <boubou> huuu ?
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3085[18:43:07] <somiaj> boubou: man sshd_config and put the correct option in the file. That option doesn't exist
3086[18:43:07] <TomTomTosch> boubou, do you want us tu guess? :P
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3089[18:43:27] <boubou> no no, I just found it
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3092[18:43:31] <boubou> sorry for distrubing
3093[18:43:45] <boubou> I thought I can add it in /etc/ssh/sshd
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3095[18:43:52] <boubou> I thought I can add it in /etc/ssh/sshd_config*
3096[18:43:53] <TomTomTosch> ah well. somiaj is good at guessing anyway :P
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3098[18:44:17] <boubou> somiaj guess well YES
3099[18:44:18] <boubou> ;)
3100[18:44:29] * boubou poke somiaj!
3101[18:44:32] <boubou> :)
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3103[18:45:17] <boubou> can I join #debian-next ?
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3105[18:45:34] <zykotick9> boubou: #debian-next is on OFTC, not freenote...
3106[18:45:50] <boubou> ohhhh
3107[18:46:04] <boubou> there is a chan on freenode but its invite only
3108[18:46:05] <boubou> :(
3109[18:46:13] <TomTomTosch> nope.
3110[18:46:33] <boubou> [12:45:01] #debian-next unable to join channel (invite only)
3111[18:46:51] <clbk> hello everyone, while trying to upgrade to testing i've and error about the sysvinit-utils package. Seems it is releated to the sysv->systemd transition. any suggestions or link? I've gooled about without any significant result
3112[18:46:59] <abrotman> boubou: what does the topic say?
3113[18:47:04] <abrotman> (in here)
3114[18:47:09] <boubou> yes
3115[18:47:15] <boubou> I saw that
3116[18:47:20] <boubou> M. :(
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3118[18:47:48] <boubou> it also says you are op here
3119[18:47:49] <boubou> ;)
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3121[18:47:50] <boubou> abrotman!~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman
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3123[18:48:13] <TomTomTosch> i don't think that comes as a suprise to him...
3124[18:48:34] <boubou> tto me yes
3125[18:48:36] <boubou> :P
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3127[18:48:47] <abrotman> brilliant ..
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3143[18:57:54] <marlinc> What is the channel for package maintainers?
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3145[18:58:50] <TomTomTosch> marlinc, #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
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3158[19:06:05] <Devastator> I remember there was a factoid about creating a debian kernel package from kernel source, does anybody remember the name of it?
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3164[19:11:25] <TomTomTosch> Devastator, or you can just look into the kernel handbook. it's rather concise. replaced-url
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3168[19:13:09] <Devastator> TomTomTosch right, does make oldconfig get my current config in /boot?
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3174[19:16:04] <TomTomTosch> Devastator, no, i think you need to copy that to ./.config first, but better ask an adult, i'm not sure.
3175[19:16:15] <Devastator> TomTomTosch thanks
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3206[19:28:36] <no_gravity> The menus in Libre Office open super slow on my machine. Is there a way to debug why?
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3223[19:35:43] <cheetahw26> what's the best way to troubleshoot a system crash? like when the box is completely unresponsive, to even sysrq keys...
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3225[19:36:12] <cheetahw26> I read ubuntu has linux-crashdump, but couldn't find that in packages
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3235[19:38:40] <dontknow> can i make natilus to open particular directory when it opens?
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3285[19:56:57] <frikinz> replaced-url
3286[19:57:04] <frikinz> dontknow: ^
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3294[19:59:38] <dontknow> thanks frikinz
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3297[20:01:17] <r0ck_> hey ppl! love you! and debian!
3298[20:01:47] * r0ck_ having troubles with mate-screenshot -a function if debian mate environment doing are capture with keyboard shortcuts
3299[20:02:00] <r0ck_> anyone had this issue? is there any solution?
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3302[20:03:29] <ompaul> r0ck_: you might want to say to people what version of mate you are using on whatever version of debian and before you do say that make sure you have dist-upgraded to the latest
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3304[20:03:57] <ompaul> that is not to change version number but make sure you have the lastest packages
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3315[20:09:03] <r0ck_> I have jessie with 1.8.1 mate
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3317[20:09:21] <ompaul> how did you install mate?
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3319[20:09:44] <r0ck_> apt-get install mate-core
3320[20:09:47] <r0ck_> and stuff
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3322[20:10:04] <ompaul> ,v mate
3323[20:10:05] <judd> No package named 'mate' was found in amd64.
3324[20:10:10] <ompaul> ,v mate-core
3325[20:10:11] <judd> Package: mate-core on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.0+7~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.0+9; stretch: 1.12.0+1; sid: 1.12.0+1
3326[20:10:34] <ompaul> hmm you sure about that version number
3327[20:10:42] <ompaul> we don't seem to have that in jessie
3328[20:11:00] <ompaul> I'm on sid so I can't replicate your problem
3329[20:11:04] <r6ku> try task-mate-desktop or mate-desktop-environment
3330[20:11:17] <ompaul> it will give you more parts
3331[20:11:28] <r0ck_> replaced-url
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3335[20:12:25] <TomTomTosch> r0ck_, important is what dpkg -l mate-core shows.
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3338[20:13:19] <ompaul> TomTomTosch: version number not debian
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3342[20:14:38] <r0ck_> replaced-url
3343[20:14:44] <r0ck_> output of dpkg -l mate-core
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3346[20:15:01] <TomTomTosch> looks fine.
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3349[20:15:33] <sol> hello :)
3350[20:15:52] <ompaul> r0ck_: that wasn't what you reported earlier :-)
3351[20:15:57] <sol> I've been struggling with my soundcard on and off for weeks now, and have just been getting by with no audio
3352[20:16:08] <TomTomTosch> ompaul, it doesn't matter what the gui shows.
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3354[20:16:19] <sol> I've tried googling everything I could think of and have been up and down every forum thread trying to get it to work
3355[20:16:28] <TomTomTosch> r0ck_, what exactly are your troubles?
3356[20:16:28] <sol> I'm wondering if someone could nudge me along a little
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3358[20:16:45] <ompaul> TomTomTosch: ah not a mate user - installed it while waiting and saw the screenshot user
3359[20:16:46] <sol> I've got a Xonar DGX (CMI8788) which is supposed to be supported by the alsa version I'm using (1.0.24)
3360[20:16:49] <ompaul> TomTomTosch: ah not a mate user - installed it while waiting and saw the screenshot use
3361[20:16:55] <r0ck_> trouble is that i cannot take area screenshots
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3363[20:17:01] <r0ck_> with mate-screenshot -a option
3364[20:17:05] <r0ck_> from keyboard shortcuts
3365[20:17:15] <r0ck_> its just takes print screen of the whole screen
3366[20:17:16] <sol> I'm using debian wheezy / 3.2.65
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3368[20:17:49] <sol> my sound card comes up in lspci, and lshw -C sound says 'UNCLAIMED' for it
3369[20:17:59] <sol> I have mod_oxygen loaded, which is supposed to be the driver that supports it
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3373[20:19:26] <r0ck_> anyway, I love debian, but some packages are really old ;) like this mate is from april 2014
3374[20:19:40] <TomTomTosch> r0ck_, does it work from a terminal?
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3376[20:19:48] <r0ck_> yea it works
3377[20:19:50] <r0ck_> from terminal
3378[20:19:56] <r0ck_> from terminal its all ok
3379[20:20:13] <TomTomTosch> r0ck_, that's to be expected from debian stable. it does not want to have the newest anything.
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3385[20:21:18] <r0ck_> TomTomTosch: what debian I can have with a never packages?
3386[20:21:21] <r0ck_> its like test?
3387[20:21:23] <r0ck_> or?
3388[20:21:32] <towa> r0ck_: if you want new go testing
3389[20:21:58] <towa> Its still pretty stable
3390[20:22:07] <TomTomTosch> r0ck_, i wouldn't use debian if you want cutting edge. but maybe you will like testing.
3391[20:22:22] <r0ck_> how can I switch to testing
3392[20:22:30] <r0ck_> by keeping everything like it is?
3393[20:22:39] <r0ck_> I mean, can I upgrade, but still have my settings?
3394[20:22:49] <r0ck_> or I have to install from scratch?
3395[20:22:49] <towa> basically just change /etc/sources.list
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3397[20:22:57] <TomTomTosch> r0ck_, still interested in fixing your problem?
3398[20:23:02] <r0ck_> TomTomTosch: sure
3399[20:23:24] <r0ck_> but I am also curious about testing
3400[20:23:31] <TomTomTosch> r0ck_ i would try creating a bash script as a wrapper.
3401[20:23:41] <r0ck_> didnt work
3402[20:23:47] <r0ck_> I found that solution on internet
3403[20:23:50] <r0ck_> but thats not working
3404[20:23:58] <TomTomTosch> with sleep 1 ?
3405[20:24:01] <r0ck_> yea
3406[20:24:03] <TomTomTosch> mh
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3410[20:24:36] <Maws> I know debian-testing isn't supported here, but would anyone know how to get libssl.so.1.0.0 onto testing ? (I'v been in debian-next to check)......
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3412[20:25:01] <r0ck_> replaced-url
3413[20:25:14] <r0ck_> should I change jessie to testing in /etc/apt/sources.list
3414[20:25:14] <sol> I guess I'll remove debian and install something newer
3415[20:25:15] <r0ck_> ?
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3417[20:25:22] <sol> I'm out of ideas
3418[20:26:00] <r6ku> sol: upgrade to jessie?
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3420[20:26:28] <sol> r6ku; I'd rather have bleeding edge at this point. What I have should already support this card.
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3422[20:26:30] <towa> r0ck_: yes thats all you need to do beside apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
3423[20:26:43] <ompaul> r6ku: that's backward
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3425[20:27:37] <r6ku> what? :S
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3428[20:27:58] <frikinz> dpkg: stable->testing
3429[20:27:58] <dpkg> First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like jessie-updates and backports, and change jessie to stretch. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
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3431[20:28:25] <r6ku> I thought wheezy was already oldstable at this point...
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3435[20:29:14] <jmcnaught> r0ck_: yeah before you upgrade to testing you sohuld understand it's not just for newer releases, it's for testing and finding bugs. sometimes stuff is broken, and updates often change things. if you don't like fixing your computer every time you update, consider sticking with stable
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3437[20:30:02] <r0ck_> I want to try that
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3439[20:30:19] <towa> its not like testing breaks on every update
3440[20:30:26] <ompaul> r0ck_: if you try and it fails what is your get oout of jail method?
3441[20:30:35] <frikinz> there are OS that are more broken than debian testing or unstable even :)
3442[20:30:49] <r0ck_> ompaul: dont know yet, I will reinstall the system again
3443[20:30:55] <r0ck_> I have everything on owncloud
3444[20:30:57] <r0ck_> anyway
3445[20:30:57] <r0ck_> ;)
3446[20:30:59] <ompaul> r0ck_: bad plan
3447[20:31:09] <r0ck_> I will try to make my /home folder on owncloud
3448[20:31:14] <r0ck_> what do you think about that?
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3450[20:31:35] <ompaul> better plan to try other desktops while your one is getting fixed - but also be away apt-get install mate-* might solve your other issue
3451[20:31:47] <ompaul> s/away/aware
3452[20:31:56] <ompaul> wow my typing is really poor this evening
3453[20:32:26] <jmcnaught> or try testing on a spare computer or VM for a bit to get a feel for it
3454[20:32:34] <frikinz> /home in a php/mysql mix. yeah greaaat idea
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3456[20:32:49] <r0ck_> frikinz: what would you suggest?
3457[20:33:01] <r0ck_> I dont want my files on my computer only anymore
3458[20:33:10] <r0ck_> I want my files on cloud, backuped and synched
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3462[20:33:54] <TomTomTosch> how you do your backups is your problem alone. it's fine. i would encrypt it first though.
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3466[20:34:35] <jmcnaught> r0ck_: keeping your files backed up on owncloud isn't a terrible idea, having that be the only place you keep them would be
3467[20:34:45] <frikinz> r0ck_: typical is to use NFS for this
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3471[20:36:33] <frikinz> there would also be luks on mdadm with a remote member on dropbox
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3474[20:36:51] <r0ck_> dropbox is too expensive
3475[20:37:01] <r0ck_> I do not know wheter my hosting provides nfs
3476[20:37:01] <wqe> so when is iceweasel going to be removed from debian?
3477[20:37:06] <r0ck_> as this is not dedicated server
3478[20:37:24] <TomTomTosch> wqe, with the next stable probably.
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3480[20:37:44] <TomTomTosch> but i think there will be a transition package.
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3482[20:38:09] <r0ck_> TomTomTosch: which is most developed debian desktop-environment?
3483[20:38:10] <r6ku> r0ck_: why not just have local backups? get an external hdd or something and sync your data to that
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3485[20:38:25] <r0ck_> I dont like connecting stuff to my pc ;))
3486[20:38:27] <r0ck_> only wifi
3487[20:38:28] <wqe> TomTomTosch: I'm already on firefox thru the mozilla repo. I used to keep iceweasel updated to release but that is no longer available so my iceweasel is at 44.0.2
3488[20:38:37] <TomTomTosch> r0ck_, don't ask me, i'm using i3wm :P
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3491[20:39:10] <r0ck_> might be anyone else knows what is the most developed and most updated desktop-environment on mate?
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3493[20:39:14] <r0ck_> on debian*
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3495[20:39:27] <r0ck_> I use debian on 8 pcs in my office ;) and its would be good to have the best
3496[20:39:33] <TomTomTosch> kde probably. and gnome is fine too.
3497[20:39:38] <frikinz> I use KDE
3498[20:39:58] <jmcnaught> r0ck_: i would have said gnome since it's the default. gnome and kde are the most developed in general
3499[20:40:56] <jmcnaught> r0ck_: if these computers are for work then you probably don't want them on stretch/testing. not every update breaks something, but you don't want it to happen with the quarterly report is due
3500[20:41:11] <r0ck_> should i try apt-get install gnome-desktop-enviroment for all gnome stuff?
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3503[20:41:50] <frikinz> replaced-url
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3508[20:43:12] <r0ck_> okay ppl I am going gnome
3509[20:43:17] <r0ck_> lets see ;)
3510[20:43:19] <r0ck_> thanks
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3512[20:43:40] <TomTomTosch> r0ck_, think about what r0ck_ said though. it's no joke.
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3514[20:43:52] <TomTomTosch> r0ck_, think about what jmcnaught said though. it's no joke.
3515[20:44:03] * TomTomTosch slaps himself
3516[20:44:20] <r0ck_> ;)
3517[20:44:28] <r0ck_> I didnt go strech/testing
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3519[20:44:33] <r0ck_> just will try gnome
3520[20:44:42] <TomTomTosch> :)
3521[20:44:57] <n4dir> define "the best"
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3524[20:46:16] <TomTomTosch> n4dir, "of the most excellent or desirable type or quality"
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3527[20:47:22] <n4dir> that doesn't help much. the next question is what someone considers to be excellent
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3531[20:47:56] <Finetundra> Alright guys, I need to upgrade to jessie, what's the best way to do that?
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3534[20:48:07] <n4dir> iirc both, gnome and kde, will install lots of app lots of users will never need.
3535[20:48:13] <markybob> !wheezy->jessie
3536[20:48:33] <mintux1> im trying to make .deb package but i would like to know how make /etc/<package name>/config file
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3539[20:49:36] <abrotman> dpkg: tell Finetundra about wheezy-jessie
3540[20:49:58] <jmcnaught> Finetundra: there are upgrade instructions in the release notes. it's pretty simple. there's some stuff you might want to check before doing the upgrade to prevent problems, and also issues to be aware of in jessie: replaced-url
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3555[20:53:58] <Finetundra> jmcnaught: is there a quick and short guide?
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3558[20:55:40] <jmcnaught> Finetundra: the wheezy->jessie factoid that the bot sent you is the quick/short guide, but spending a few minutes reading the release notes for a major OS upgrade is usually better than spending a couple of hours fixing a preventable documented problem
3559[20:56:06] <Finetundra> I didn't get a messege from dpkg
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3563[20:56:45] <jmcnaught> Finetundra: do /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie
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3569[20:58:08] <Finetundra> so basically change the lines in sources .list to say jessie instead of wheezy?
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3571[20:58:33] <Finetundra> then run apt-get dist-upgrade
3572[20:58:47] <jmcnaught> Finetundra: that's the core idea, you might be missing some steps. check the instructions again :)
3573[20:58:48] <n4dir> i usually start with a "apt-get upgrade"
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3575[20:58:58] <Finetundra> right, right
3576[20:58:58] <n4dir> and as the second step the dist-upgrade
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3579[20:59:32] <anoncf> hi
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3592[21:03:04] <r0ck_> replaced-url
3593[21:03:06] <r0ck_> guys
3594[21:03:13] <r0ck_> I tryed to install gnome
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3596[21:03:23] <r0ck_> and then it wanted to install iceweasel and icedowe
3597[21:03:32] <r0ck_> which I removed and had ubuntuzilla package
3598[21:03:42] <r0ck_> and now I cant either uninstall gnome or launch
3599[21:03:50] <karlpinc> r0ck_: Is this debian?
3600[21:04:06] <r0ck_> or remove thunderbird-mozilla-build
3601[21:04:08] <r0ck_> yes it is
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3603[21:04:27] <karlpinc> r0ck_: Then you may have bigger problems.
3604[21:04:34] <karlpinc> !tell r0ck_ about don't break debian
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3607[21:05:25] <jmcnaught> r0ck_: if you've added ubuntu repositories to your sources.list you probably have a broken system. the two are not compatible with each other
3608[21:05:37] <r0ck_> replaced-url
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3610[21:05:55] <r0ck_> yea, but debian has an very old thunderbird and very shitty evolution
3611[21:06:03] <r0ck_> there is no normal BUSINESS email client except thunderbird
3612[21:06:08] <abrotman> r0ck_: that doesn't mean you sohuld mix versions of Debian
3613[21:06:19] <abrotman> ofLinux I mean
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3617[21:06:45] <TomTomTosch> n4dir, then you are doing it wrong. me thinks that break things.
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3619[21:07:15] <abrotman> r0ck_: which version of Debian are you trying to break?
3620[21:07:23] <n4dir> well. TomTomTosch not sure who says this is wrong. I did this for 7 years, and it didn't break anything
3621[21:07:30] <frikinz> so gnome-core depends on iceweasel...
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3623[21:07:43] <markybob> n4dir: everyone says it's wrong and it does break things
3624[21:07:45] <ompaul> abrotman: they'll say wheezy but they showed an intermediate version of mate
3625[21:08:11] <ompaul> between testing and jessie sorry
3626[21:08:14] <ompaul> abrotman: ^^
3627[21:08:17] <jmcnaught> TomTomTosch: what breaks things? doing "apt-get upgrade" before "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
3628[21:08:18] <ompaul> got the version wrong
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3630[21:08:27] <TomTomTosch> jmcnaught, yep.
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3634[21:08:45] <jmcnaught> TomTomTosch: it's in the release notes for jessie to do it that way.
3635[21:08:50] <n4dir> markybob: for sure not everyone says it.
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3637[21:09:07] <ompaul> TomTomTosch: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade should work but you should have your system up to date before you start :)
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3639[21:09:35] <n4dir> replaced-url
3640[21:09:56] <n4dir> shesh ...
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3643[21:10:25] <jmcnaught> ^^ yeah.. this is also a recommended step for other releases not just jessie
3644[21:10:55] <ompaul> n4dir: the only requirement is that you step from version 5-6-7-8 and so on
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3646[21:10:59] <ompaul> you don't skip
3647[21:11:10] <n4dir> i didn't say that. did i?
3648[21:11:11] <r0ck_> replaced-url
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3650[21:11:18] <n4dir> well, at least i didn't mean it.
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3652[21:11:29] <r0ck_> I cannot either remove thunderbird-mozilla-build either install iceweasel icedowe
3653[21:11:29] <ompaul> no I'm just making an observation
3654[21:11:35] <n4dir> ah, ok. thanks.
3655[21:11:37] <jmcnaught> r0ck_: maybe you could use a text based paste site like replaced-url
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3657[21:12:23] <n4dir> r0ck_: you can do apt-get install pastebinit , for more comfort when pasting ...
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3659[21:13:17] <r0ck_> replaced-url
3660[21:13:19] <ompaul> r0ck_: as jmcnaught said and we can get the output for the following please - it will give us a good feeling for what's where apt-cache policy
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3663[21:13:45] <frikinz> r0ck_: you installed firefox from ubuntu?
3664[21:13:59] <r0ck_> I cannot install or uninstall anything
3665[21:14:01] <r0ck_> yes
3666[21:14:02] <r0ck_> I did
3667[21:14:07] <abrotman> that was a bad idea
3668[21:14:13] <r0ck_> instlal firefox from ubuntu and it worked well
3669[21:14:19] <r0ck_> untill I tryed to install gnome now
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3671[21:14:42] <abrotman> r0ck_: pastebin "apt-cache policy"
3672[21:14:57] <r0ck_> I cannot install pastebin - I cant install or remove any package now
3673[21:15:02] <abrotman> you just did pastebin
3674[21:15:04] <abrotman> use paste.debian.net
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3676[21:15:39] <n4dir> sorry, my fault (but next time, as soon you got a working system ... )
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3678[21:15:44] <ompaul> abrotman:
3679[21:15:47] <ompaul> woops
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3684[21:16:26] <TomTomTosch> ah, fair enough, i've been proven wrong. just had it in mind that it can create conflicts.
3685[21:16:34] <ompaul> abrotman: I was wrong in my idea went to hit backspace and hit enter :-/
3686[21:17:07] <ompaul> r0ck_: how is the paste of apt-cache policy coming along?
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3691[21:18:13] <jmcnaught> TomTomTosch: all it does is upgrades all the packages that can be upgraded without removing/installing other packages first. It also splits the upgrade into a couple of chunks, giving more of an opportunity to intervene if there's a problem
3692[21:18:19] <r0ck_> replaced-url
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3694[21:18:49] <abrotman> jesus, no wonder
3695[21:18:57] <TomTomTosch> jmcnaught, noted :)
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3700[21:19:55] <r0ck_> so I am stuck with that?
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3703[21:20:00] <r0ck_> or there is some workaround?
3704[21:20:01] <n4dir> pretty sure i heard this once, might well be one of the distros which resulted from sidux (aptosid and such).
3705[21:20:11] <abrotman> huh?
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3709[21:20:40] <abrotman> r0ck_: you'll have tocomment out the lines that aren't related toJessie, and try again, it'll probably remove the packages from ubuntuzilla
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3712[21:21:34] <ompaul> n4dir: I can'e see a context for your comment
3713[21:21:44] * ompaul is now cofuzzled
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3715[21:21:51] <ompaul> or even confuzzled
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3721[21:22:40] <n4dir> ompaul: the context was the info that running apt-get upgrade before dist-upgrade would break the system.
3722[21:22:59] <n4dir> sorry for the confusion
3723[21:23:37] <ompaul> n4dir: ah, the only thing you might want to do in that context is not be in X
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3726[21:23:59] <ompaul> n4dir: you might want to be on the cli in a console in case it breaks some X related thing
3727[21:24:16] <krion> i always do dist-upgrade
3728[21:24:18] <ompaul> so the other suggestion is also to be logged out of x
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3730[21:24:24] <krion> i don't get why upgrade is used
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3732[21:24:34] <abrotman> or as someone had happen earlier, your screensaver locks, and hasn't fully upgraded so isn't offering a password prompt
3733[21:24:34] <ompaul> it hurt me once in the last three years
3734[21:24:42] <abrotman> krion: depends on your circumstances
3735[21:24:46] <krion> well
3736[21:25:06] <ompaul> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and as long as list-bugs is in place you might just be happy
3737[21:25:07] <n4dir> ompaul: i don't remember any release upgrade ever went wrong ... but yeah, sure, you are right.
3738[21:25:21] <krion> from what i've seen dist-upgrade install some bugfixing along with security
3739[21:25:23] <ompaul> n4dir: I'm on sid and have been for ... years
3740[21:25:26] <krion> and bugfixing is good
3741[21:25:37] <n4dir> ompaul: me too.
3742[21:25:42] <ompaul> not for everyone
3743[21:25:55] <krion> i disagree, but alright
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3745[21:26:50] <r0ck_> abrotman: but I cannot remove or add any packages
3746[21:26:54] <r0ck_> apt-get doesnt let me do that
3747[21:27:04] <r0ck_> it says there is dependency iceweasel not instlaled
3748[21:27:07] <r0ck_> installed*
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3750[21:27:16] <frikinz> so do what is says
3751[21:27:18] <ompaul> r0ck_: comment out the bad stuff, and then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
3752[21:27:27] <frikinz> apt-get -f install
3753[21:27:28] <r0ck_> from which file?
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3755[21:27:36] <r0ck_> apt-get -f install also doesnt work
3756[21:27:37] <abrotman> r0ck_: you need to comment out hte non-Debian sources in /etc/apt/sources.list
3757[21:27:42] <abrotman> and then run apt-get update
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3759[21:27:57] <ompaul> r0ck_: what abrotman said
3760[21:28:24] <r0ck_> replaced-url
3761[21:28:33] <r0ck_> there is noting unrelated to jessie
3762[21:28:40] <r0ck_> in /etc/apt/sources.list
3763[21:28:41] <abrotman> also in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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3766[21:30:08] <r0ck_> replaced-url
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3769[21:30:17] <r0ck_> I removed ubuntuzilla.list from that dir
3770[21:30:19] <ompaul> abrotman: we need the bot to be programmable with "set dontbreakquizfor $user
3771[21:30:20] <r0ck_> but thats not helping
3772[21:30:21] <ompaul> "
3773[21:30:27] <abrotman> r0ck_: all of them, not just the ubuntuzilla one
3774[21:30:31] <ompaul> r0ck_: all of them
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3776[21:30:50] <abrotman> and you didn't run apt-get update
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3779[21:31:29] <ompaul> mute set if they get less than 90%
3780[21:31:38] <r0ck_> not working
3781[21:31:41] <r0ck_> the same result
3782[21:31:51] <abrotman> show us
3783[21:31:53] <ompaul> r0ck_: apt-cache policy please
3784[21:31:54] <r0ck_> I have removed every file from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ dir
3785[21:32:06] <ompaul> r0ck_: just give us that paste
3786[21:32:24] <r0ck_> ttp://paste.debian.net/414633/
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3788[21:32:28] <TomTomTosch> r0ck_, did you apt-get update first?
3789[21:32:35] <r0ck_> replaced-url
3790[21:32:36] <r0ck_> yes
3791[21:32:48] <r0ck_> its everything after apt-get update
3792[21:32:53] <r0ck_> apt-get update goes well
3793[21:32:58] <r0ck_> without any errors
3794[21:33:04] <TomTomTosch> you might want to remove the firefox-mozilla-build
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3796[21:33:10] <abrotman> r0ck_: can we see theoutput of 'apt-get update' ?
3797[21:33:13] <ompaul> r0ck_: what is the apt-cache policy command outout?
3798[21:33:16] <ompaul> output
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3801[21:34:33] <r0ck_> replaced-url
3802[21:34:36] <ompaul> TomTomTosch: with the list file missing that's not going to work right now, there is a way to do it but lets leave that until we see what the box can do itself
3803[21:34:36] <r0ck_> complete
3804[21:34:39] <r0ck_> apt-get policy
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3806[21:35:16] <abrotman> r0ck_: aptitude -f install
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3809[21:35:51] <ompaul> r0ck_: what was after pinned packages?
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3814[21:37:01] <r0ck_> same output
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3817[21:37:19] <abrotman> what output? of what?
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3820[21:37:53] <r0ck_> replaced-url
3821[21:38:06] <r0ck_> aptitude -f install gives same errors
3822[21:38:12] <abrotman> r0ck_: full output, thanks
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3826[21:38:52] <ompaul> abrotman: dpkg -r some faulty bits?
3827[21:39:03] <abrotman> no idea, he's not showing us everything
3828[21:39:18] <ompaul> I'm prempting :-)
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3830[21:39:26] <r0ck_> replaced-url
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3832[21:40:11] <abrotman> r0ck_: dpkg -P firefox-mozilla-build
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3834[21:41:01] <r0ck_> replaced-url
3835[21:41:26] <r0ck_> ttp://paste.debian.net/414641/
3836[21:41:27] <r0ck_> sorry
3837[21:41:30] <r0ck_> replaced-url
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3840[21:42:05] <ompaul> remove iw first?
3841[21:42:06] <abrotman> r0ck_: aptitude purge firefox-mozilla-build
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3843[21:42:47] <r0ck_> it now removes gnome
3844[21:42:48] <r0ck_> but thanks
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3847[21:42:59] <abrotman> r0ck_: one problem at a time
3848[21:43:05] <ompaul> you can reinstall gnome shortly
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3850[21:43:22] <r0ck_> yes
3851[21:43:23] <r0ck_> thanks
3852[21:43:25] <r0ck_> ;))
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3854[21:43:34] <r0ck_> the shit was about to hit the fan ;)))
3855[21:43:37] <abrotman> r0ck_: everything back to usable?
3856[21:43:48] <abrotman> r0ck_: Debian and ubuntu are not hte same, dont mix them
3857[21:43:49] <ompaul> r0ck_: that link to don't break debian was written for this kind of thing please read it
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3863[21:48:33] <r0ck_> thats worked well
3864[21:48:36] <r0ck_> I am now in gnome
3865[21:48:36] <r0ck_> ;)
3866[21:48:56] <r0ck_> by the way
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3868[21:49:02] <r0ck_> what do you think about geary email client?
3869[21:49:04] <ompaul> r0ck_: please read that link
3870[21:49:34] <r0ck_> ompaul: I have read the main thing there, but I do not like to be limited only to stable packages of debian
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3873[21:50:07] <ompaul> r0ck_: well as you saw you can kill your ability to keep the box safe and updateable by breaking the box
3874[21:50:21] <ompaul> it won't always be that easy to survive
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3880[21:53:06] <fuan> debian backports is the option
3881[21:53:13] <autrilla> What's up with this? E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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3883[21:53:45] <abrotman> autrilla: run apt-get update ?
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3886[21:53:52] <abrotman> or that mirror is messed
3887[21:53:55] <autrilla> abrotman: done it
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3891[21:54:50] <abrotman> autrilla: seems like maybe the mirror is out of date .. you can inspect manually
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3898[21:56:16] <d626865e70> Question: apt-get reports iptables is installed, which iptables comes back empty handed. Where does iptables normally reside in the filesystem.
3899[21:56:46] <markybob> d626865e70: /sbin/iptables
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3904[21:58:12] <d626865e70> thanks much, is it standard practice to add a link in a dir in my path to the binary or to add sbin to my path?
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3907[21:59:19] <frikinz> its supposed to be in your root's path already
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3909[21:59:41] <autrilla> People I know are also reporting broken mirrors
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3911[21:59:57] <autrilla> In fact, linux-libc-dev is apparently failing on all mirrors
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3914[22:01:06] <ompaul> ,v linux-libc-dev
3915[22:01:07] <judd> Package: linux-libc-dev on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32-48squeeze6; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-48squeeze6; squeeze-security-lts: 2.6.32-48squeeze20; wheezy: 3.2.68-1+deb7u3; squeeze-backports: 3.2.68-1+deb7u6~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 3.2.73-2+deb7u3; wheezy-proposed-updates: 3.2.78-1; jessie: 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u2; wheezy-backports: 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie-security:
3916[22:01:08] <judd> 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4; jessie-proposed-updates: 3.16.7-ckt25-1; jessie-backports: 4.3.5-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.3.5-1; sid: 4.4.4-2; experimental: 4.5~rc7-1~exp1
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3918[22:01:33] <ompaul> autrilla: did you apt-get update first
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3920[22:01:37] <autrilla> ompaul: again, yes
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3922[22:01:46] <ompaul> ahh
3923[22:01:49] <jmcnaught> d626865e70: /sbin should already be in your path if you are root. also there's a "whereis" command
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3932[22:05:38] <frikinz> autrilla: the repo you showed is indeed broken. the package file references a non existing deb8u3 file
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3937[22:07:06] <frikinz> autrilla: no I misread
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3940[22:07:19] <frikinz> Filename: pool/updates/main/l/linux/linux-libc-dev_3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u4_amd64.deb
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3950[22:09:57] <frikinz> autrilla: try this wget -qO - replaced-url
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3962[22:13:56] <r0ck_> yea
3963[22:14:00] <r0ck_> gnome looks nice
3964[22:14:08] <r0ck_> but it has some big font problems ;))
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3971[22:16:08] <ompaul> r0ck_: apt-cache font
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3973[22:16:15] <ompaul> r0ck_: apt-cache search font
3974[22:16:18] <ompaul> sorry -
3975[22:16:31] <abrotman> how did you install gnome?
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3977[22:16:38] <r0ck_> apt-get install gnome
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3982[22:17:26] <r0ck_> replaced-url
3983[22:17:27] <TyrfingMjolnir> Anyone awake?
3984[22:17:39] <TyrfingMjolnir> I'm doing this replaced-url
3985[22:17:49] <TyrfingMjolnir> It all works quite OK until syslinux
3986[22:18:01] <TyrfingMjolnir> # cp /usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0 /var/lib/tftpboot
3987[22:18:07] <TyrfingMjolnir> No such file or directory
3988[22:18:28] <ompaul> r0ck_: apt-cache search gnome-
3989[22:18:36] <TyrfingMjolnir> When I look inside the folder /usr/lib/syslinux/ there are a bunch of efi files
3990[22:19:07] <ompaul> r0ck_: you look at that and decide what you want to install
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3992[22:19:18] <ompaul> !dontbreakdebian
3993[22:19:18] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, dont break debian is replaced-url
3994[22:19:27] <jmcnaught> r0ck_: there's a gnome tweak tool aka advanced settings that lets you configure fonts
3995[22:19:37] <r0ck_> yea, I am using it right now
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3997[22:19:44] <r0ck_> still, have to adapt to this
3998[22:19:49] <r0ck_> but looks really beautiful
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4001[22:20:31] <ompaul> r0ck_: you can choose many fonts, and you can also look at all the available possible things that are core to gnome with that last command
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4003[22:20:51] <ompaul> beyond core
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4007[22:21:44] <r0ck_> I installed everything with package dnime
4008[22:21:48] <r0ck_> gnome, sorry ;)
4009[22:21:59] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I install netboot from isos?
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4016[22:23:51] <ompaul> TyrfingMjolnir: provide a network connection
4017[22:24:27] <TyrfingMjolnir> ?
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4019[22:25:11] <ompaul> you throw the cd in the cd/dvd player hook the box up to the internet and away you go
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4034[22:31:23] <TomTomTosch> TyrfingMjolnir, you want to install debian using network booting?
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4039[22:33:10] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
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4041[22:33:17] <ompaul> TomTomTosch: actually in ##networking the setyup is anything but trivial
4042[22:33:57] <fluxtendu> hello, with systemd, could I still use something like "/etc/udev/rules.d/81-vpn-firewall.rules " to launch a script each time VPN status change?
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4044[22:34:20] <ompaul> are there still i386 disks?
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4058[22:38:49] <KakuRoze> How to update from Debian Version 3.4.2 to newest?
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4060[22:39:12] <abrotman> You're not running 3.4.2
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4063[22:39:47] <KakuRoze> System -> Details -> Overview says 3.4.2
4064[22:40:03] <Akuw> hi, i can't use my mail address because everytime i enable it i get lot of spam mails from that own address and my hosting provider block my account
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4066[22:40:43] <abrotman> KakuRoze: that's not your Debian version
4067[22:41:06] <abrotman> KakuRoze: what's in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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4069[22:42:05] <KakuRoze> wheezy
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4073[22:43:05] <KakuRoze> or, full line: deb replaced-url
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4075[22:43:26] <mvx87> i had mounted 3 other servers via sshfs onto my machine temporarily like this: sshfs root@server1.domain.com:/ /mnt/server1.domain.com, sshfs root@server2.domain.com:/ /mnt/server2.domain.com etc - so i was removing certain files from the servers like rm -rf /mnt/server*.domain.com/home/files/[dir] and long story short i accidentally typed rm -rf /mnt/server*.domain.com/ but i quickly ctrl+c'd
4076[22:43:26] <mvx87> so only a second went by. i ran debsums command on all 3 servers and every package came back ok and no files were missing from any system packages.. the only thing i found (from my own manual searching/checking) was that on server1.domain.com /lost+found was missing so i recreated that.. ive got a backup of all 3 servers, but i went ahead and rebooted server1.domain.com and it came back up with
4077[22:43:26] <mvx87> no issues. i know it was foolish of me to even mount it as root or do any of this, and it wont happen again but: my question is, should i just be satisfied ? or should i reinstall the box. the command only ran for like a split second.. and it was over sshfs / wan / internet so it seems like nothing much had the chacne to actually be removed.. i mean if the system came back up from a reboot then
4078[22:43:26] <mvx87> it should be fine right? or what would you do
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4083[22:44:24] <mvx87> my question / situation : replaced-url
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4093[22:47:22] <TyrfingMjolnir> TomTomTosch: Ideally I would like to have debian, and architect linux installer images both hosted on a debian box
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4097[22:48:21] <jmcnaught> mvx87: unfortunately it's really hard for anyone here to know what actually got deleted.
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4101[22:49:38] <TomTomTosch> fsck could help. it would recreate lost+found if it's missing and fill it (possibly)
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4104[22:50:19] <frikinz> reminds me when I did a bind mount of / and did an rm -rf * . it actually deletes alphabetically :) So I rebuilt /bin /boot and /etc ..
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4113[22:53:05] <mvx87> jmcnaught: no i get that, but if debsums reported that all the packages are OK and no files are missing from installed packages, and i rebooted the system and it came back up.. what would you do ? be satisfied or, still be paranoid and reinstall the OS anyway
4114[22:53:20] <frikinz> mvx87: debsums -a ?
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4116[22:54:10] <mvx87> frikinz: everything came back fine, the only FAILED i got were on config files that i modified in the past
4117[22:54:33] <KakuRoze> Um..... I just ran apt-get upgrade and now when I login, debian throws a "Oh no! something went wrong" in my face and logs out
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4119[22:54:47] <mvx87> TomTomTosch: the only thing i noticed was /lost+found missing on server1 so i recreated it mklost+found and i rebooted the server and it came back up
4120[22:54:58] <mvx87> TomTomTosch: so im just wondering if i should still be paranoid or just be satisfied
4121[22:55:01] <ikonia> mvx87: are you running debian or ubuntu
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4126[22:55:38] <TomTomTosch> TyrfingMjolnir, well, the link i sent you does that. you'd have to setup the dhcp server that points to a tftp server that provides the boot image. it's a lot of work not sure you want to do that.
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4156[23:08:40] <kas> hi guys, I am trying to install libvirt-bin but its not available anymore. Its replaced by libvirt-daemon I guess?
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4160[23:09:49] <markybob> ,v libvirt-bin
4161[23:09:50] <judd> Package: libvirt-bin on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 0.8.3-5+squeeze5; squeeze: 0.8.3-5+squeeze5; squeeze-backports: 0.9.12-11~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.2.9-9~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.2.9-9+deb8u1
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4163[23:10:44] <kas> ?
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4166[23:11:20] <kas> I have stretch/sid and apt does not find libvirt-bin
4167[23:11:32] <markybob> kas i don't know why judd didn't list sid. it's there. replaced-url
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4169[23:12:15] <markybob> kas: and testing/sid isn't supported here per /topic. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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4171[23:12:52] <kas> markybob: ok, but why doesnt my debian find it?
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4185[23:16:14] <TomTomTosch> judd doesn't show it because it's not amd64.
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4187[23:16:37] <abrotman> chagne arch
4188[23:16:51] <abrotman> judd: versions libvirt-bin --arch i386
4189[23:16:52] <judd> Package: libvirt-bin on i386 -- squeeze-security: 0.8.3-5+squeeze5; squeeze: 0.8.3-5+squeeze5; squeeze-backports: 0.9.12-11~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.2.9-9~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.2.9-9+deb8u1
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4195[23:18:16] <TomTomTosch> i can only see unofficial ports listed for the one in sid.
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4197[23:19:47] <kas> ok
4198[23:20:25] <TomTomTosch> and i don't think the sparc64 one will help you much :P
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4202[23:21:45] <kas> TomTomTosch: nope, can I fix this?
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4204[23:22:31] <TomTomTosch> don't know, i only run debian stable.
4205[23:23:32] <Devastator> where can I find dpkg-gencontrol? I was building the kernel with make deb-pkg and it failed to find dpkg-gencontrol, is there a list of dependencies I need to install before make deb-pkg?
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4210[23:24:01] <jmcnaught> kas: on jessie libvirt-bin is a transitional package that depends on libvirt-daemon-system. It could be that the transitional package was removed in stretch. For problems that are new in testing you'll get better support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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4215[23:25:03] <kas> ok I'll try
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4217[23:26:17] <leafwiz__> Hello, where can I file a constructive complaint against Debian using systemd ?
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4219[23:26:41] <cra1g321> a guy named trump handles those complaints
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4229[23:33:10] <jmcnaught> leafwiz__: are you aware that you don't have to use systemd in Debian? There probably isn't a place for complaints considering it was already extensively discussed and a decision was made
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4235[23:35:07] <TomTomTosch> i'm still puzzled by how often this topic comes up.
4236[23:35:38] <jmcnaught> especially with how awesome systemd is
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4238[23:36:03] <r6ku> got any links to those discussions? I still don't know what the uproar was about
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4241[23:37:19] <jmcnaught> r6ku: replaced-url
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4243[23:38:15] <ezri> and replaced-url
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4245[23:38:31] <r6ku> cheers
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4251[23:40:15] <leafwiz__> jmcnaught: Cool, but it is still on my default. I really do not like systemd due to a range of topics. See -> replaced-url
4252[23:40:25] <dav1d> Hey, I have Debian Jessie installed and need to update java from 7 to 8, I found this page: replaced-url
4253[23:40:47] <cra1g321> dav1d 8 is in the backports
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4255[23:40:56] <dav1d> cra1g321: thanks
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4264[23:45:24] <jmcnaught> leafwiz__: fair enough, there is a way to install sysvinit at install time: replaced-url
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4266[23:45:49] <Durbinator> Hi guys, is there a cinnamon specific channel?
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4269[23:46:21] <dav1d> `sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install "openjdk-8" ` should work, right? - It doesn't find the package, apt-get update shows the backports mirror ...
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4271[23:46:59] <cra1g321> dav1d you might just need openjdk-8-jre
4272[23:47:01] <jmcnaught> leafwiz__: heh.. your anti-systemd blog doesn't display content without javascript which offends me as a veteran something something :P
4273[23:47:09] <frikinz> oho replaced-url
4274[23:47:11] <somiaj> dav1d: think you have to specific -jre or -jdk, try 'apt-cache search openjdk-8' and see what you find
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4276[23:47:19] <Durbinator> i'm trying to change the lock screen on jessie running cinnamon. I can disable the lock screen in cinnamon but what would I replace it with?
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4278[23:47:43] <leafwiz__> jmcnaught: yeah.. Some irony there.
4279[23:47:45] <dav1d> cra1g321, somiaj: that's it ... I was only looking through the uploaded list .. not the actual names .. Thanks!
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4286[23:50:14] <TomTomTosch> Durbinator, whatever you like. i use xscreensaver on everything because i like the fancy animations.
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4288[23:51:00] <Durbinator> yeah, i'm trying to get xscreensaver to kick in (substrate specifically) on a key combination, or after a timeout
4289[23:51:10] <Durbinator> actually, i think i might be able to sort that out
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4291[23:51:48] <TomTomTosch> flying toasters ftw.
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4298[23:53:49] <Durbinator> TomTomTosch: thats a classic, but i prefer substrate :)
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4309[23:55:03] <Durbinator> i can disable the ctrl+alt+l lock on cinnamon using gsettings, but any idea how I'd bind it to xscreensaver. I suspect the shortcut is still owned by cinnamon just without an action attached
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4317[23:56:10] <dav1d> ok, restarted the server (was due anyways), set the preference to java 8 and it is working, thanks again!
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4323[23:57:01] <streulma> can I upgrade testing to sid ?
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4328[23:57:47] <markybob> streulma: if you want. it's not supported here per /topic. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
4329[23:57:56] <Durbinator> i suppose what I'm trying to find out is what is actually launched on ctrl+alt+l and how to point that to xscreensaver
4330[23:58:05] <streulma> I must have an invite for debian-next
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4334[23:58:22] <markybob> streulma: no, you're just on the wrong network. not freenode. oftc
4335[23:58:42] <jmcnaught> streulma: when you get to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (not freenode) there are some links in the topic you'll want to read, but yes it can be done
4336[23:59:05] <streulma> ah ok, I tried freenode, thanks
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