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189[00:53:28] <cheapie> What happens if I select "Debian desktop environment" but none of the sub-choices (GNOME, KDE, etc.) in the installer?
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226[00:59:01] <markybob> cheapie: the default happens. gnome
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580[01:54:54] <rootd00d> VLC won't fullscreen. i'm losing my shit over here. *sigh*
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584[01:57:30] <jmcnaught> rootd00d: what happens instead of fullscreen? how are you trying? what desktop/window manager are you using?
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588[01:58:05] <rootd00d> jmcnaught: xfce. 4 virtual desktops. it looks like the video is tucked into the upper left quadrant of the window.
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593[01:58:51] <rootd00d> jmcnaught: the window will maximize. the video plays. it will scale too, if the window is smaller than the resultant "fullscreen" size.
594[01:59:09] <jmcnaught> rootd00d: does the same thing happen for a different user, or if you move your ~/.config/vlc somewhere else temporarily?
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600[02:00:49] <rootd00d> jmcnaught: yep!
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603[02:01:46] <jmcnaught> rootd00d: then it is probably a local configuration change you made for your user. possibly the video output
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605[02:02:09] <rootd00d> jmcnaught: oh i meant, it's exactly the same. :)
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609[02:02:54] <jmcnaught> rootd00d: oh, well it could still be that if it's picking a bad one automatically. If you go to Tools > Preferences > Video, does the output drop-down say automatic?
610[02:03:03] <markybob> jmcnaught: is this testing? vlc has been broken for me in testing for a couple of weeks
611[02:03:12] <markybob> rootd00d: ^
612[02:03:13] <rootd00d> markybob: sid
613[02:03:39] <markybob> rootd00d: okay, then yeah. that's expected. also it's not supported here per /topic. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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616[02:03:49] <rootd00d> jmcnaught: well, setting "Automatic" won't work for a bunch of x264 stuff apparently, because the VDAPU stuff won't work on this intel graphics chipset.
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619[02:04:17] <jmcnaught> rootd00d: *shrug* stuff just works for me in stable, but yeah you should ask in #debian-next on OFTC
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621[02:04:36] <rootd00d> jmcnaught: ah, k. well thank you very much!
622[02:04:57] <markybob> yeah you're welcome.
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625[02:05:20] <rootd00d> that has a brush of sarcasm to it.
626[02:05:26] <jmcnaught> rootd00d: cheers, if i have more troubleshooting ideas i'll tell you there
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655[02:18:07] <SpaceAce> weird... when I do apt-get update i get "Segmentation fault (core dumped)
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657[02:18:07] <SpaceAce> "
658[02:18:10] <SpaceAce> anyone ever seen this?
659[02:18:27] <karlpinc> SpaceAce: Bad ram?
660[02:18:32] <markybob> SpaceAce: not on jessie
661[02:18:57] <markybob> bam ram is a good idea
662[02:19:00] <SpaceAce> this is actually a ubuntu machine
663[02:19:06] <SpaceAce> it's my media centre
664[02:19:08] <markybob> bad*
665[02:19:08] <markybob> SpaceAce: then ask #ubuntu
666[02:19:16] <markybob> SpaceAce: that's offtopic here
667[02:19:30] <SpaceAce> sorry markybob. i forgot briefly that i'd switched over for it
668[02:19:32] <karlpinc> SpaceAce: Because we might break your ubuntu.
669[02:19:36] <SpaceAce> right.
670[02:19:38] <SpaceAce> thanks anyway
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676[02:22:19] <Fox682> anyone have any experience setting up a box as a basic router?
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685[02:24:04] <markybob> Fox682: i'm sure an awful lot of us do. you should probably go to #netfilter for iptables help and #networking for generic
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690[02:25:14] <Fox682> I have a fairly noob question, I'm sure it's simple
691[02:25:33] <Fox682> debian uses the /etc/network/interfaces file for setting up the interfaces right?
692[02:25:45] <awal1> hm
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695[02:26:05] <Fox682> I've got the DHCP server working, but it only works after the network interface is up
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698[02:26:34] <abrotman> Fox682: that's one way, yes
699[02:26:40] <Fox682> it fails on startup, but when I manually if eth1 an ip and mask, then restart the service, it hands out ip's like normal
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701[02:26:58] <Fox682> wow... *manually give eth1*
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710[02:27:33] <Fox682> so I goto interfaces and try to assign eth1 an ip and mask that worked in the test, save reboot, fails...
711[02:27:49] <abrotman> can you put this in paste.debian.net?
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713[02:28:14] <Fox682> hmm... it's a vbox with no internet access lol
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718[02:29:14] <Fox682> i'll put it in manually
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723[02:31:06] <Fox682> wait.. it's got 2 interfaces, let me see if I can get it online
724[02:31:45] <Fox682> yeah got it, is there an easy way to output to pastebin direcly from console?
725[02:32:03] <markybob> !pastebinit
726[02:32:42] <markybob> damn bot's taking a nap. yeah, install that then pipe to it
727[02:32:54] <Fox682> oh ok
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731[02:34:06] <Fox682> I'm so glad I got wifi back, my DD-WRT box was getting dusty lol
732[02:34:18] <abrotman> dselect: pastebinit
733[02:34:18] <dselect> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
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736[02:35:23] <Fox682> going to have to install that on my main deb image, that's really useful
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738[02:36:55] <awal1> dselect, another bot? never heard about it :P
739[02:36:55] <dselect> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, awal1
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741[02:37:13] <markybob> awal1: yes
742[02:37:22] <awal1> nice
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745[02:37:34] <abrotman> the dpkg stand-in
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749[02:38:09] <awal1> ok, ok
750[02:38:13] <Fox682> I forgot how crappy the internet is out here, this may take an age. I'll get it eventually lol
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752[02:38:26] <zykotick9> Fox682: <alternative to pastebinit> if you have netcat installed, you might, then "foo_command | nc termbin.com 9999" works.
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755[02:40:16] <Fox682> it's getting the packages that's a pain
756[02:40:41] <abrotman> dselect: pastewithoutx
757[02:40:41] <dselect> Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to replaced-url
758[02:40:41] <Fox682> for some unknown reason vbox doesn't like my internet access and is slow and nearly unreliable...
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760[02:41:18] <Fox682> I literally have to run a ping in the background to plow a path for it to work better...it's odd...
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778[02:47:34] <Fox682> ok, here's what I got replaced-url
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780[02:48:14] <abrotman> Fox682: you need an "allow-hotplug eth1" above the declaration
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782[02:48:48] <Fox682> ah
783[02:48:49] <Fox682> ok
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796[02:53:05] <floppy> replaced-url
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804[02:55:01] <Fox682> yeah, no thanks. been there done that
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806[02:56:14] <Fox682> yay! it works
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808[02:56:32] <Fox682> now to get it to route them dern packets lol
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811[02:58:21] <RoyK> Fox682: NAT-ing?
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816[02:59:53] <Fox682> I'm thinking about that, guess I'm not really sure...
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822[03:01:15] <Fox682> I've got a Vbox setup to be the router between the real world (bridged interface) into the VBox internal network running my nodes
823[03:01:38] <RoyK> Fox682: with an rfc1918 address on the inside, NAT will be your thing
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825[03:01:53] <Fox682> i'm a bit fuzzy on the rfcs
826[03:02:08] <RoyK> replaced-url
827[03:02:31] <Fox682> yeah got a 10.0
828[03:02:38] <RoyK> non-routable
829[03:03:09] <Fox682> well i'm already on a 192 >.<
830[03:03:14] <RoyK> so setup nat
831[03:03:33] <RoyK> replaced-url
832[03:03:36] <Fox682> right, I got what you mean, sorry it's late for me
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837[03:04:06] <RoyK> it's not hard
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841[03:04:35] <Fox682> iptables?
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846[03:05:42] <RoyK> Fox682: or some custom ufw rules
847[03:05:47] <RoyK> which is iptables
848[03:05:52] <RoyK> so yes
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851[03:06:15] <Fox682> lol ok, yeah I don't have ufw on the box, I've already got the interfaces configured at leats
852[03:06:27] <Fox682> so I'll find an iptables method
853[03:06:53] <RoyK> it's a oneliner
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863[03:09:20] <abrotman> dpkg: hi
864[03:09:21] <dpkg> que tal
865[03:09:23] <abrotman> !foo
866[03:09:23] <dpkg> methinks foo is the probably first <metasyntactic variable>, it's a placeholder for some other term. See replaced-url
867[03:09:29] <markybob> oh yay
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869[03:10:25] <Fox682> RoyK, I see a 2 liner, do you have a pointer on the one-liner?
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874[03:11:20] <RoyK> Fox682: iptables -o eth1 -s 10.0.0.0/24 -j MASQURADE # or something like that
875[03:11:57] <Fox682> I found this: replaced-url
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878[03:12:44] <RoyK> second rule shouldn't be needed
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881[03:13:17] <RoyK> depending on your firewall setup, of course
882[03:13:22] <markybob> plus it hurts our heads
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884[03:13:42] <Fox682> now you've got me curious, why isn't the second line needed?
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886[03:13:58] <RoyK> replaced-url
887[03:15:05] <Fox682> oh, it's under the Masquerading part
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890[03:16:03] <Fox682> i'll give it a shot
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904[03:21:45] <Fox682> wait, is this going to be persistent after reboot if I just put in the iptables entry?
905[03:21:58] <cafuego> nope
906[03:22:00] <markybob> Fox682: no
907[03:22:06] <Fox682> well dang it
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911[03:22:12] <Fox682> I need to be able to reboot this thing
912[03:22:37] <cafuego> You can add iptables-save and iptables-restore commands via the up an down stanzas on the interface.
913[03:22:52] <markybob> !iptables-persistent
914[03:22:52] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, iptables-persistent is a utility to load an <iptables> rule file; see replaced-url
915[03:23:15] <markybob> so you have options
916[03:23:20] <abrotman> remember when netmasq made it easy?
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918[03:23:40] <abrotman> ipmasq
919[03:23:45] <Fox682> yay, it works i'm routable :D but I need that persistence lol
920[03:24:54] <Fox682> i'll try the iptables persistent
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926[03:27:28] <Fox682> that was too easy... it asked me to save the current table setup for reboot... I'ma reboot it and see lol
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947[03:34:21] <Fox682> well that's great my node isn't getting an IP now..
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967[03:39:39] <cheapie> Well, I got KMS working with my Radeon HD 7790 using the "radeon" driver, but any attempt to start X fails with "modeset(0): Failed to initialize glamor at ScreenInit time" followed by "AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0". Any ideas?
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992[03:44:49] <Vaur> hello, I'm trying to go from stable to testing, but I'm encoutering an issue during the dist-upgrade
993[03:45:00] <Vaur> the error is this: E: Internal Error, Could not early remove sysvinit-utils:amd64 (2)
994[03:45:35] <markybob> Vaur: testing isn't supported here per /testing. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
995[03:45:47] <Vaur> ok
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997[03:46:12] <jmcnaught> cheapie: that's with no xorg.conf?
998[03:46:23] <cheapie> jmcnaught: It is.
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1001[03:46:57] <cheapie> jmcnaught: Attempting to use an xorg.conf to force it to EXA fails, as it doesn't support that as far as I can tell.
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1007[03:49:37] <jmcnaught> cheapie: did you try with a newer/older kernel?
1008[03:50:00] <cheapie> jmcnaught: 4.4 hangs during boot, and this is on 4.3. I can try 3.16.
1009[03:50:07] * cheapie tries that
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1012[03:51:43] <Fox682> oh , hahaha, freaking forwarding wasn't persistent... jebus...
1013[03:51:45] <cheapie> Same problem with 3.16 - identical error messages even.
1014[03:51:58] <jmcnaught> cheapie: at least it's consistent
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1016[03:52:27] <Ram_> Hello
1017[03:52:28] <cheapie> jmcnaught: I'd prefer consistently working over consistently broken :P
1018[03:52:48] <Fox682> omg... you'd think setting forwarding would be persistent.
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1021[03:53:17] <Ram_> I am trying to compile a new kernel; I get this error even after disabling CONFIG_X509_CERT
1022[03:53:31] <Ram_> No rule to make target 'y', needed by 'certs/signing_key.x509'. Stop.
1023[03:53:34] <markybob> Fox682: no you wouldn't
1024[03:54:00] <markybob> Fox682: you know iptables works in memory and doesn't actually store anything on disk
1025[03:54:20] <Fox682> if i did then I wouldn't be suprised
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1027[03:54:39] <Fox682> is there a way to make it persistent over reboots lol
1028[03:54:53] <markybob> i already told you how
1029[03:54:57] <dvs> ,v iptables-persistent
1030[03:54:58] <judd> Package: iptables-persistent on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.0.20100801; wheezy: 0.5.7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.5.7+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.3+deb8u1; stretch: 1.0.4; sid: 1.0.4
1031[03:55:04] <markybob> i told him that
1032[03:55:10] <dvs> O_O
1033[03:55:43] <Fox682> you did, it saves the iptables but it didn't have an effect on the forwarding
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1036[03:55:59] <cheapie> Well, I'll ask again in an hour or so.
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1040[03:56:23] <jmcnaught> Fox682: do you mean /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ?
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1042[03:56:56] <Fox682> yeah, unless... hang on... I think iptables-persistent service isn't working, let me see if i can confirm
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1047[03:57:39] <jmcnaught> Fox682: you can spare some confusion by using more words :) Also this page might be helpful for you: replaced-url
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1063[03:59:54] <Fox682> it looks like iptables-persistent isn't running on startup I try "service iptables-persistent start" and get nothing
1064[04:00:03] <Fox682> "no such file or directory"
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1070[04:01:45] <jmcnaught> Fox682: are you on Jessie? Read the "/msg dpkg iptables-persistent" again
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1073[04:02:05] <dvs> Fox682, /usr/share/doc/iptables-persistent/README
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1077[04:02:29] <Fox682> yeah I'm on jessie, I'll read the readme and get the dpkg
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1082[04:03:47] <jmcnaught> Fox682: i prefer to use iptables-restore with a script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/
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1087[04:05:27] <Fox682> ah, so it's called netfilter persistent and yes it's running
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1090[04:06:27] <n-iCe> guys, which is the lightweightest DE debian can run in the live cd iso
1091[04:06:36] <n-iCe> mate xfce or lxde?
1092[04:06:46] <n-iCe> or maybe cinammon?
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1096[04:07:42] <markybob> n-iCe: definitely not cinammon. xfce vs lxde is tough. i use xfce.
1097[04:07:59] <n-iCe> more stable right?
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1101[04:08:30] <markybob> n-iCe: in my opinion it's the best lightweight
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1103[04:08:38] <n-iCe> awsome, downloading it.
1104[04:08:39] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: we have a special on right now where you could try three for the price of one :)
1105[04:08:40] <n-iCe> awesome
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1107[04:08:46] <n-iCe> Long time since I don't use Debian.
1108[04:08:55] <n-iCe> jmcnaught: what do you mean¡
1109[04:08:59] <AlexLikeRock> Debían ir better
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1111[04:09:26] <AlexLikeRock> Try MATE n-Ce
1112[04:09:33] <n-iCe> mate?
1113[04:09:42] <markybob> that's not lightweight at all
1114[04:09:50] <n-iCe> Yeah I want something lightweight
1115[04:09:53] <markybob> it's terrible if that's what you want
1116[04:09:58] <n-iCe> I'm downloading xfce
1117[04:10:14] <n-iCe> is ok to download live? I mean, does it include an installer right?
1118[04:10:21] <AlexLikeRock> MATE its Gnome2
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1121[04:10:38] <markybob> n-iCe: yeah that's fine. unless you need uefi or firmware.
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1127[04:12:00] <n-iCe> good 8.3 is stable?
1128[04:12:07] <markybob> n-iCe: yes.
1129[04:12:18] <dvs> of course!
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1132[04:13:12] <n-iCe> what about testing?
1133[04:13:22] <dvs> of course NOT!
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1135[04:13:28] <n-iCe> jeeze? does anyone use it? worth it? or go with stable
1136[04:13:29] <n-iCe> better
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1138[04:13:36] <markybob> n-iCe: that's not supported here per /topic
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1142[04:13:58] <n-iCe> wow tht's new
1143[04:14:05] <n-iCe> so let's go stable then :)
1144[04:14:11] <n-iCe> thakns markybob
1145[04:14:14] <markybob> yes stable :)
1146[04:14:24] <n-iCe> markybob: what tips do you have after install Debian
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1150[04:15:15] <markybob> n-iCe: debian wiki is pretty good. also archlinux has great docs that almost always works.
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1153[04:16:11] <n-iCe> how was the name to move debian to a usb flash to make it boot?
1154[04:16:15] <n-iCe> forgot
1155[04:16:48] <n-iCe> was not dd
1156[04:17:01] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: if you already have linux, you can use "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX"
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1162[04:17:38] <n-iCe> really? that's new
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1164[04:17:46] <jmcnaught> n-iCe: also once you have it installed, my advice is stick to the packages in the Debian official repos as much as possible. the more you stray, the more complexity you introduce
1165[04:17:49] <markybob> n-iCe: sort of
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1167[04:17:57] <dvs> and sync!!!
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1169[04:18:09] <markybob> n-iCe: yes, you better sync
1170[04:18:16] <n-iCe> hehe ok
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1172[04:18:27] <n-iCe> 7 minutes remains till the download finishes
1173[04:18:34] <n-iCe> so let's just wait, thank you guys.
1174[04:18:46] <dvs> hurry up!!!!
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1191[04:24:42] <MarvelDigital> so i wnated to install jessie. I downloaded the iso from the website and loaded it on the usbkey. I rebooted with the USBkey inside the computer, but it just hangs with a blink "_".. it's been 15 minutes, should it be this long or do i have a faulty copy or something else?
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1194[04:25:15] <markybob> MarvelDigital: you're probably using uefi, right?
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1197[04:26:03] <MarvelDigital> markybob, oh...probably...i didn't check... i guess that would be the problem?
1198[04:26:10] <markybob> MarvelDigital: yes that sucks. live doesn't support it. and none support secure boot.
1199[04:26:47] <markybob> MarvelDigital: so check your settings
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1201[04:27:24] <MarvelDigital> markybob, thanks. i'll try legacy and see if that does anything.
1202[04:28:13] <abrotman> how did you prepare the USB drive?
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1213[04:32:24] <markybob> MarvelDigital: abrotman's question is really relavent and important
1214[04:32:39] <MarvelDigital> abrotman, new partition set to MSDos, ext4 and then just copied the iso from the website as stated
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1216[04:33:16] <MarvelDigital> then debian-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso file from the debian official website.
1217[04:33:33] <abrotman> website?
1218[04:33:35] <abrotman> copied?
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1220[04:34:07] <abrotman> MarvelDigital: how did you "copy" it?
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1225[04:35:33] <dedgecumbe> MarvelDigital: 'new partition' is not required, you must block copy the image directly on to the usb drive from the first sector onwards
1226[04:35:44] <dedgecumbe> the partition set up is included within the image
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1237[04:38:36] <abrotman> almost like I'm not asking questions ..
1238[04:38:51] <dvs> did someone hear something?
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1241[04:39:12] <n-iCe> ok
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1244[04:41:11] <cheapie> jmcnaught (as well as whoever else was trying to help me earlier): It's working now! (finally)
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1246[04:41:22] <cheapie> The magic command was "apt-get remove glx-diversions".
1247[04:41:43] <cheapie> KMS, OpenGL, etc. is all working great now.
1248[04:41:49] <MarvelDigital> abrotman, yes...i just drag and dropped it... maybe i read the instructions wrong? i'll try to find the page again...
1249[04:42:11] <n-iCe> what can I use besides cp to move the debian iso into a flash usb memory and make it boot?
1250[04:42:14] <MarvelDigital> dedgecumbe, so i shouldn't have formated the USB?
1251[04:42:18] <n-iCe> I mean, what If I'm not in Linux.
1252[04:42:24] <dvs> MarvelDigital, drag and drop onto a USB drive? That's almost certainly wrong.
1253[04:42:49] <dvs> n-iCe, win32diskimager
1254[04:42:51] <dedgecumbe> MarvelDigital: anything you do prior to block copying it onto the drive is immaterial
1255[04:43:00] <n-iCe> dvs: dd does work?
1256[04:43:08] <dedgecumbe> n-iCe: sure
1257[04:43:08] <qmr> can someone poke the bot so he gives me the needful re etch release key?
1258[04:43:11] <abrotman> MarvelDigital: are you doing this from Windows or linux?
1259[04:43:11] <dvs> n-iCe, oh, that works too
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1261[04:43:19] <abrotman> qmr: the what?
1262[04:43:26] <n-iCe> dedgecumbe: dvs what about cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb; sync
1263[04:43:28] <n-iCe> still working?
1264[04:43:37] <qmr> for some reason my packages can't be authenticated
1265[04:43:41] <dvs> n-iCe, I've never used that method.
1266[04:44:06] <abrotman> qmr: you'll want to read the instrucdtions at archive.debian.org, but you're probably SoL. And not really sure why you're using Etch
1267[04:44:15] <qmr> is it ded?
1268[04:44:21] <abrotman> qmr: see /topic
1269[04:44:38] <dedgecumbe> n-iCe: sure, that works. they're all equivalent.
1270[04:45:00] <qmr> yikes, no security updates eh
1271[04:45:00] <MarvelDigital> abrotman, from linux.
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1273[04:45:07] <n-iCe> dedgecumbe: bash: /dev/sdb: Permission denied
1274[04:45:13] <dedgecumbe> n-iCe: need to be root user
1275[04:45:17] <abrotman> MarvelDigital: right, no, you don't need to format it, and you copy the ISO to the device, not hte partition
1276[04:45:19] <qmr> have to upgrade or rebuild this tomorrow. I'm confused though, why are packages left in the repo not signed?
1277[04:45:44] <n-iCe> dedgecumbe: I did sudo before
1278[04:45:53] <abrotman> qmr: see archive.debian.org
1279[04:45:59] <dedgecumbe> n-iCe: the redirection happens in the user context and not the root one
1280[04:46:14] <dedgecumbe> n-iCe: cat debian.iso | sudo tee /dev/sdb
1281[04:46:29] <n-iCe> ok
1282[04:46:31] <abrotman> or just don't use sudo .. jeez
1283[04:46:32] <n-iCe> thanks
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1285[04:46:47] <dedgecumbe> err and redirect tee to /dev/null
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1288[04:46:51] <dedgecumbe> or your terminal will fill with turd
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1292[04:48:32] <qmr> abrotman: erm. sorry. not sure where I came up with etch. this is squeeze
1293[04:48:54] <MarvelDigital> abrotman, thanks i'll give that a whirl...
1294[04:49:14] <abrotman> qmr: squeeze is under LTS I guess .. not sure about the key
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1296[04:49:57] <abrotman> qmr: maybe try #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net
1297[04:50:13] <qmr> replaced-url
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1299[04:50:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1300[04:50:29] <abrotman> no, probably not .. ask the LTS channel
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1307[04:52:43] <MarvelDigital> markybob, abrotman, dedgecumbe thank you for your time... it's not beautifully made. i'm so happy...
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1315[04:56:19] <Len> guys for sid I don't need updates & security repos, right?
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1325[05:00:44] <wqe> Len: correct
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1330[05:03:43] <Len> wqe: thanks
1331[05:04:03] <MarvelDigital> the usb key has the files but the PC isn't booting into the installer...i have it set on legacy with secure boot off..i can read the files when i plug it into linux, boot, casper, dists, isolinux, pool, presseed, MD5SUMS...
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1333[05:04:27] <dedgecumbe> MarvelDigital: how did you copy it this time
1334[05:05:18] <AlexLikeRock> GNU
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1336[05:05:34] <AlexLikeRock> GNU = OS
1337[05:05:48] <AlexLikeRock> Linux = Kernel
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1339[05:06:24] <wqe> AlexLikeRock: what if he isn't running GNU
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1345[05:09:54] <AlexLikeRock> Do you have glib6?
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1347[05:10:08] <AlexLikeRock> Wqe
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1349[05:10:45] <AlexLikeRock> (Answer = yes)
1350[05:11:34] <AlexLikeRock> So... You are Running GNU !
1351[05:11:38] <AlexLikeRock> ;-)
1352[05:11:41] <wqe> I never said I wasn't
1353[05:12:11] <sypher> wqe: Do you have something topically relevant to discuss?
1354[05:12:22] <AlexLikeRock> Yes
1355[05:12:56] <AlexLikeRock> SystemD are'nt freedoom!
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1359[05:14:24] <AlexLikeRock> SystemD only make problems
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1362[05:15:06] <AlexLikeRock> Quake Debian
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1402[05:29:43] <MarvelDigital> dedgecumbe, i copied it using cp to the /dev/sdb1 followed by sync
1403[05:30:15] <dedgecumbe> MarvelDigital: you want /dev/sdb
1404[05:30:21] <dedgecumbe> MarvelDigital: /dev/sdb1 is the first partition on /dev/sdb
1405[05:31:21] <dedgecumbe> MarvelDigital: the reason it won't work is because the bootloader needs to be on the first sector of the usb drive (file descriptor /dev/sdb); if you copy it to /dev/sdb1, that's a point that's arbitrarily further on through the disk; your bios has no idea that the bootloader resides there
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1407[05:32:06] <dedgecumbe> sometimes it feels absurd to me that one character can make all of the difference, but such is life
1408[05:32:21] <dedgecumbe> these machines are rather exacting
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1411[05:33:29] <MarvelDigital> dedgecumbe, thanks i'm such an idiot. hopefully this will now work. thanks again
1412[05:33:57] <dedgecumbe> MarvelDigital: just human, don't worry, in time you'll become cybernetic
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1439[05:47:43] <wqe> if anybody knows how to get the thinkpad t420 and other lenovo thinkpad mic mute button to work, get at me.
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1444[05:48:49] <dedgecumbe> MarvelDigital: any luck?
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1568[06:31:51] <ironpill_> hi all, what's the difference between debian (jessie, wheezy) and openWRT for running on a x86 machine that is used as a router?
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1574[06:33:18] <iateadonut> i have to connect through a VPN (through vpnc) to get to a server. I'm wondering if there's a way to connect only in a terminal through the VPN while all my other traffic route normally?
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1579[06:33:52] <MarvelDigital> dedgecumbe, thanks a lot. it works...now to figure out how i'm gonna partition my hard drive tonight... haha
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1587[06:37:02] <jmcnaught> MarvelDigital: the guided partitioning usually does a pretty good job, and you can go back in the installer and tweak it. You should consider using LVM for future flexibility. There's also an appendix of the installer manual that discusses partition sizes
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1685[07:00:48] <MarvelDigital> jmcnaught, thanks i'll look into that...
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1889[08:08:06] <hanshenrik_> i have made a windows xp VM with kvm.. 2x cpu cores and its a clean install, literally nothing except virtio drivers installed on it. its up and running, taskmanager reports 0% cpu usage...
1890[08:08:32] <hanshenrik_> but qemu-system-x86_64 binary is using ~210% cpu (100% of 2x cores and then som)
1891[08:08:37] <hanshenrik_> -- according to htop
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1894[08:09:04] <hanshenrik_> any idea why?
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1897[08:10:06] <__marco> Hope you don't mind the question, but can I use sbuild in Debian to build Ubuntu packages?
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1899[08:10:44] <__marco> I need to build both, Ubuntu and Debian packages of a program of mine
1900[08:10:45] <somiaj> __marco: does sbuild automate creating a ubuntu chroot to build the package in?
1901[08:11:19] <somiaj> __marco: deboostrap can create ubuntu chroots and you can build in there. debian has a program called pbuilder with automates the creating of these chroots and building process. Unsure if it works with ubuntu mirrors or not.
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1907[08:14:53] <__marco> somiaj: I don't know, this is why I ask. I am learning sbuild (and it is not really easy to approach). I would like to build the packages for both dists using only one technique
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1909[08:15:57] <somiaj> __marco: sbuild is in debian and uses chroots. I personally just manually create the chroots so I'm unsure on how the automated tools work.
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1912[08:16:14] <__marco> I see
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1914[08:16:47] <somiaj> but yes, the tool should work for both, just have to configure it to use differnt chroots
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1924[08:20:23] <__marco> somiaj: you pointed me to the right way. from sbuild-createchroot(1), sbuild uses debootstrap. The supported dists are in /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts
1925[08:21:01] <__marco> I would think that it supports Ubuntu too
1926[08:21:20] <somiaj> __marco: chroots make nice clean build enviroments. And you can most likely run the chroots for ubuntu on debian or visa versa
1927[08:21:37] <somiaj> as long as you are building you'll be fine. Testing gui packages may be a different story
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1941[08:26:17] <__marco> I think you are right. I'll be happy if I can easily automate the build process.
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1945[08:27:18] <__marco> Ideally I want to build packages for debian stable/testing/unstable and ubuntu precise/trusty/xenial and ideally both i386 and amd64
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1947[08:27:44] <__marco> this for 2 programs...
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1949[08:27:56] <somiaj> you'll need a chroot for each target.
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1958[08:30:29] <__marco> how can I delete a schroot? Do I only have to remove the relative file in /etc/schroot/chroot.d/
1959[08:30:31] <__marco> ?
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1961[08:31:04] <__marco> and the file pointed by "file="?
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1970[08:34:15] <Mikaze> Anyone know what happened to /etc/inittab in Jessie?
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1974[08:36:31] <__marco> mine is there
1975[08:36:49] <__marco> (upgraded from previous stable)
1976[08:36:50] <Mikaze> Oh, friggin great.
1977[08:37:30] <Mikaze> I'm wondering if my 8 year-old drive just lost it.
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1979[08:38:19] <Mikaze> Now I'm scared to reboot.
1980[08:38:46] <dax> my stretch install doesn't have it
1981[08:38:51] <dax> i suspect systemd doesn't use it
1982[08:38:52] <__marco> but apt-file don't report it
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1986[08:39:33] <Mikaze> Hmmm. Wonder how Ctrl-Alt-Del is handled now.
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1992[08:42:00] <Mikaze> Too many damned things being changed around.
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1994[08:43:12] <somiaj> Mikaze: systemd controls the consoles, what are you wanting to setup?
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1997[08:43:45] <Mikaze> I was only wondering where inittab disappeared to.
1998[08:44:47] <somiaj> system now controls all this via its unit files
1999[08:45:16] <Mikaze> I keep expecting someone to come along, pat me on the head and tell me to go play and leave the OS to "us."
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2005[08:47:20] <Mikaze> systemd, huh? Thanks. Least now I know where to look.
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2007[08:47:27] <Mikaze> Keep well...
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2036[08:58:12] <pragomer_1> whats best way to try kde 5.x under debian? changing to unstable? using backports? other ways?
2037[08:58:34] <somiaj> most likely it won't be backported, so you would have to upgrade to testing to use it
2038[08:58:53] <somiaj> whcih of course can be bugs and other issues.
2039[08:59:10] <r6ku> pragomer_1: there were problems with kde5 in unstable the last time I tried it, how about trying another live distro?
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2044[09:00:56] <pragomer_1> yes.. I am searching for a distro where kde5 is "nearly" stable.. kubuntu is cruel (about stability with kde5)... suse and manjaro arent my distris of choice.. running fedora23 kde at the moment.. but I come from deb-package system.. so I would like to have alook if debian would be a choice
2045[09:01:28] <pragomer_1> fedora23 kde is ok.. likely stable
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2049[09:02:33] <pragomer_1> ahm.. theres no debian-kde5-live-iso, right?
2050[09:03:17] <r6ku> pragomer_1: not yet, maybe once debian 9 comes out :p
2051[09:03:29] <somiaj> afiak there aren't live images for testing at the moment.
2052[09:03:52] <somiaj> in debian you'll have to wait for debian 9 or play around with testing. But that can be a wild ride
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2056[09:04:48] <pragomer_1> ok. but thanks for the help-and-hints
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2106[09:21:29] <Alien1it> Ciao a tutti.
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2228[09:51:02] <emesa> Hi, I want to add an logical ip address using the ip command, How can tell to ip command that this ip address is an secondary ip?
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2248[10:00:16] <jback> emesa: ifconfig eth0:n?
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2250[10:00:23] <jback> or w/e interface it is
2251[10:00:47] <chele> emesa by default every address after the first one is secondary already as long as its on the same subnet.
2252[10:04:11] <emesa> chele: the problem is that, I want to add the secondary in the first place and after add the global ip, but thanks anyway, I found the way to archive what I'm doing
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2258[10:06:58] <chele> I see the same outcome either way.
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2261[10:08:14] <atralheaven> Hello, I have debian installed, now I want to install windows in another partition, I know I will lose the linux bootloader and won't be able to boot to linux, how can I fix it?
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2264[10:09:48] <MyWay> I think from a live cd
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2266[10:10:07] <Mathisen> atralheaven, live cd .. chroot into system and re-run grub-install
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2268[10:10:30] <atralheaven> Mathisen: what is chrooting?
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2271[10:11:57] <Mathisen> atralheaven, simple answer you change active system so to say from live cd to the one you have on hd..
2272[10:12:10] <Mathisen> google to get better info
2273[10:12:17] <Mathisen> my answer is not the best :)
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2280[10:13:59] <jback> also, how would chrooting work if you are not able to *boot* your debian anymore
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2286[10:16:42] <Mathisen> jback, thats why you boot from live cd first :) then mount the system from hd
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2288[10:16:50] <jback> ah yep
2289[10:16:50] <jback> :)
2290[10:16:58] <jback> seems solid
2291[10:17:11] <jback> want to modify grub as well to allow booting through to windows again
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2308[10:25:26] <atralheaven> Mathisen: like ssh, but into a not booted system in this case, right?
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2310[10:27:45] <Mathisen> atralheaven, yes
2311[10:27:58] <Mathisen> thats way better then my answer :)
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2320[10:29:17] <dagerik> resize2fs /dev/vda1 has been running for 15 mins.
2321[10:29:21] <dagerik> should I be worried
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2338[10:36:22] <locrian9> Urxvt color question: When you look at a directory that has drwxrwxrwx (777 properties), the text is highlighted when you do an 'ls' command. How do you change that color from my current cyan into another color? I know it's probably a matter of setting something in .Xresources, but I couldn't find the answer through search engine.
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2375[10:49:57] <lss9> how are passwords in /etc/shadow encrypted / hashed?
2376[10:49:59] <lss9> in jessie
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2378[10:50:15] <dagerik> lss9: sha1
2379[10:50:17] <dagerik> i think
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2384[10:53:14] <dagerik> lss9: in /etc/shadow the password string has leading $ and some number.
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2386[10:53:22] <dagerik> the dollar specifies the hash method.
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2389[10:53:29] <dagerik> jessie uses sha512
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2391[10:54:11] <dagerik> additionally there is salt. also the password is hashed many times over to increase password checking time
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2393[10:54:38] <lss9> guess it's pkdf2? how many rounds, do you know?
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2397[10:57:15] <dagerik> lss9: I think 5000 is default
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2449[11:18:58] <elmcrest> hey everyone. I need to repair a broken raid, and first of all one of the partially failed drives seems to still do the "boot job", so I assume the boot sector works while the drive itself doesn't anymore. I kind of validated this with plugging off the drives while trying to replace those with new ones. long story short, how can I validate the boot sector
2450[11:18:58] <elmcrest> and then copy it to other drives?
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2453[11:19:44] <elmcrest> I think it would be convenient to have the boot sector on all drives, right? ... any help would be really nice :)
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2455[11:20:03] <msn> elmcrest: which raid level?
2456[11:20:17] <elmcrest> raid 10 with mdadm
2457[11:20:26] <elmcrest> it was setup from the debian installer fyi
2458[11:20:33] <elmcrest> s/from/with
2459[11:20:45] <msn> boot sector would be on the disk you isntalled it on
2460[11:20:48] <msn> genearllly sda
2461[11:21:08] <__marco> do you know if I can convert a schroot dir to a tarball?
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2465[11:22:03] <elmcrest> msn: seems correct, I can see boot is sda with fdisk -l
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2468[11:22:18] <elmcrest> msn: hmm no maybe I'm wrong
2469[11:22:38] <msn> check on sdb too
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2471[11:22:50] <msn> the boot partition would be on 2 disks
2472[11:22:57] <msn> but the boot sector on 1
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2474[11:23:18] <elmcrest> msn can you give me a hint how to check this?
2475[11:23:26] <msn> fdisk -l will show
2476[11:23:33] <elmcrest> hmm ok
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2478[11:23:38] <msn> also how many disks do you think have failed?
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2481[11:23:54] <msn> if 2 have FAILED for sure its gone
2482[11:24:09] <msn> 1 disk ofcourse you can replace anytime
2483[11:24:31] <msn> if 2 have failed on the same side of raid 1 then you can replace
2484[11:24:38] <elmcrest> 1 drive failed totally, another partial
2485[11:24:52] <elmcrest> yeah
2486[11:24:56] <msn> well replace the totally failed drive
2487[11:25:04] <msn> and stop all usage of the raid
2488[11:25:08] <msn> and see if it rebuilds
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2490[11:25:15] <msn> if it does just replace parital then
2491[11:25:37] <elmcrest> /proc/mdstat shows me that two drives are missing
2492[11:25:42] <msn> mmm
2493[11:25:43] <elmcrest> I replaced one out of 2
2494[11:25:44] <msn> which 2?
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2496[11:25:56] <elmcrest> [_U_U] if that helps :)
2497[11:26:02] <msn> yes
2498[11:26:04] <msn> replaceable
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2500[11:26:10] <msn> replace both and wait and watch
2501[11:26:11] <msn> :)
2502[11:26:13] <elmcrest> yeah, it's also still running
2503[11:26:29] <msn> [__UU] or [UU__] that's bad
2504[11:26:32] <elmcrest> yeah, but I can't replace the second (which probably is sda) because there is the boot sector :)
2505[11:26:43] <msn> grub-install /dev/sda
2506[11:26:44] <elmcrest> sda is also failed regarding to mdadm
2507[11:26:57] <msn> grub-install /dev/sdb
2508[11:27:06] <elmcrest> ok could I grub-install /dev/sd[abcd] ?
2509[11:27:13] <msn> not all 4
2510[11:27:18] <msn> but first 2 for sure
2511[11:27:21] <elmcrest> ok
2512[11:27:27] <msn> both disks with boot partitions
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2515[11:27:41] <elmcrest> ah, hold on, it's GPT based ... no difference?
2516[11:27:46] <msn> nope
2517[11:27:50] <elmcrest> ok
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2520[11:28:07] <elmcrest> grub-install command not found ... weird
2521[11:28:08] <msn> if it doesnt' work try changing boot order for disks in bios
2522[11:28:17] <msn> grub2-install
2523[11:28:17] <elmcrest> I'm in a recovery mode btw
2524[11:28:26] <elmcrest> ok cool
2525[11:28:29] <msn> in recovery mode ah
2526[11:28:38] <msn> you might wanna let mdadm finish then
2527[11:28:45] <msn> you are good replace both disks
2528[11:28:47] <elmcrest> nope no grub2-install too ...
2529[11:28:52] <msn> let the raid rebuild finish
2530[11:29:11] <msn> once both raid is built mount the md device on /target
2531[11:29:17] <elmcrest> grub-mkimage?
2532[11:29:19] <msn> chroot /target and then grub-install
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2534[11:29:34] <elmcrest> so hot plugging the drives?
2535[11:29:37] <msn> nope
2536[11:29:48] <msn> just keep working ni recovery until eveyrthing is done
2537[11:30:03] <msn> just let it finish building this disk first
2538[11:30:09] <elmcrest> yeah besides that I can't boot into recovery if I replace the failed drive
2539[11:30:09] <msn> then do the enxt one in another receoveyr
2540[11:30:16] <msn> you can
2541[11:30:18] <elmcrest> ah ok
2542[11:30:21] <msn> PXE/debian disk
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2545[11:30:37] <msn> anything can be used tos tart recovery
2546[11:30:49] <msn> even a CD based distro is recovery
2547[11:31:00] <msn> or USB based
2548[11:31:07] <elmcrest> yeah ok sure
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2550[11:31:29] <msn> ALso
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2552[11:31:53] <msn> if one disk is built good then you can still do a mount /dev/md<x> /target
2553[11:31:56] <msn> chroot /target
2554[11:32:03] <msn> and grub2-install /dev/sdb
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2560[11:33:09] <elmcrest> does mdadm setup the drive for me according to what is needed? ... like partitioning and LVM?
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2562[11:33:31] <elmcrest> ah no, doesn't
2563[11:33:40] <hojgaard> Hi. I am wondering if it is possible to set nofile soft and hard limits to more than 65536 for a specific user, or does it have to be globally higher before i can set it for one specific user?
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2565[11:34:14] <msn> elmcrest: mdadm is just tool you do iwth it how you like
2566[11:34:37] <msn> hojgaard: <user> nofile soft 100000
2567[11:34:40] <msn> and same for hard
2568[11:34:57] <hojgaard> ok, and what is the upper limit?
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2570[11:35:06] <msn> same thing with hard
2571[11:35:21] <msn> but i think you would still need kernel max_files parameter to be higher then that
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2575[11:35:38] <elmcrest> msn: ok thx so far
2576[11:36:03] <hojgaard> msn ok, thanks
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2628[11:59:30] <hanshuber> Hi! Whats the difference between "squeeze/updates" and "squeeze-updates" in this context: "deb replaced-url
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2633[12:01:41] <hanshuber> Anyone?
2634[12:02:02] <AlwaysHi-> Wouldnt know is its just same but different way to write?
2635[12:02:07] <hanshuber> (I just lost connection and maybe haven't seen if someone answered above)
2636[12:02:15] <hanshuber> AlwaysHi-: I don't know
2637[12:02:18] <AlwaysHi-> no1 said anything
2638[12:02:30] <AlwaysHi-> i would assume theres nothing different
2639[12:02:44] <AlwaysHi-> its defining the same shit
2640[12:03:01] <hanshuber> AlwaysHi-: What did no1 say? Can't see it anymore because lost connectin before
2641[12:03:15] <AlwaysHi-> i mean no one said anything
2642[12:03:22] <AlwaysHi-> hanshuber> Hi! Whats the difference between "squeeze/updates" and "squeeze-updates" in this context: "deb replaced-url
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2650[12:03:49] <hanshuber> ok thanks
2651[12:04:21] <ghormoon> hi, can i somehow make xfreerdp more verbose? I can't find out why it doesn't share /drive:name,/some/path
2652[12:04:30] <hanshuber> Yeah so probably it defines the "same shit"
2653[12:04:31] <hanshuber> :)
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2708[12:27:13] <lorenzo> hi, is there a specific channel for emdebian?
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2718[12:29:47] <gnugr> lorenzo: #debian-emdedded on irc.oftc.net
2719[12:29:55] <lorenzo> thank you
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2753[12:43:52] <nilekada> is it possible to have Debian encrypt only a partition, not the whole disk?
2754[12:43:58] <nilekada> During installation
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2758[12:44:50] <markybob> nilekada: yes it does give you that choice
2759[12:45:24] <jim> along same lines... is it possible to encrypt partitions separately, so they each have a different pass phrase?
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2761[12:45:52] <markybob> yes
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2763[12:46:23] <jim> thanks, just curious
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2766[12:47:37] <nilekada> markybob: how do you do it?
2767[12:48:05] <markybob> nilekada: just do manual partitioing and select encryption
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2771[12:48:24] <nilekada> For example, you want to partition the largest free space using LVM on LUKS
2772[12:48:51] <markybob> nilekada: you have to go to manual partitioning
2773[12:49:13] <nilekada> markybob: thanks
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2780[12:51:04] <__marco> I am trying to maintain a repository with few debs, but it is very hard
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2786[12:51:51] <__marco> First, I want both the i386 and amd64 architectures, but the orig file is the same
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2790[12:52:39] <__marco> reprepro report an error because in the second build, the checksum of the orig changes
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2792[12:53:25] <__marco> how to handle both architectures and source?
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2796[12:54:12] <__marco> what I do now, is building a first *binary* package for an architecture and than the *binary and source* package for the second one. Is this approach right?
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2798[12:54:43] <Auroraaa> Hi
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2802[12:56:00] <__marco> Second question, I would like to maintain more dists (stable, oldstable, testing and unstable). The builded packaged has the same name for all the dists and this don't like to reprepro too.
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2804[12:56:25] <__marco> xxx.deb is already registered with different checksums
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2808[12:57:35] <__marco> What I did before, is building only one binary for all the dists. Now that I try to build a different package for every dist, I get this error
2809[12:57:46] <__marco> Again, how can I handle this?
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2811[12:58:52] <jelly> __marco: you should make packages built for different suites use different versions
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2819[13:01:37] <__marco> jelly: yes, I thought that, but I fell it an hack
2820[13:01:52] <__marco> s/fell/feel/
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2825[13:02:44] <jelly> __marco: it's not a hack, it's the only way to make sure the package is upgraded when the whole OS gets a release upgrade
2826[13:03:11] <jelly> this is how official backports work, for example
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2828[13:04:02] <__marco> I did think it. Thanks
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2835[13:05:19] <__marco> what do you think about source packages? Is it good, how I build them?
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2844[13:06:51] <jelly> __marco: no idea about that, sorry. You may want to ask in #debian-mentors on the irc.oftc.net irc network
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2849[13:07:53] <jim> in debian, source pkgs come as (usually) 3 files, the original tarball, a diff that would be applied when the tarball is extracted, and a file with some metadata, and yes, -mentors can show you how they're built
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2852[13:10:00] <pawiecki> Hello! :) I have clean installation of Debian 8. I installed sudo and added my local user 'pawiecki' to sudo group: useradd pawiecki sudo. Then after relogin I added another user via sudo, but i can not change his password, with 'sudo passwd newuser'. I think I should change sudo config for 'pawiecki' but what should I change?
2853[13:10:09] <__marco> jim: the problem is the file orig.tar.gz. I don't have the exacly error message, but it is like the one that I reported
2854[13:10:26] <__marco> jim: "... is already registered with different checksums"
2855[13:10:43] <__marco> but I will ask there. thanks for your attention
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2862[13:14:33] <__marco> I cannot join #debian-mentors, invite only channel
2863[13:14:48] <markybob> __marco: wrong network. oftc
2864[13:14:52] <__marco> oh
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2868[13:16:48] <jelly> pawiecki: it's "adduser pawiecki sudo" not "useradd pawiecki sudo"
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2871[13:17:15] <jelly> pawiecki: I don't know what your command does.
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2875[13:18:54] <msg31> Hello. I'm trying to find a Debian 8.0 cd.
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2877[13:19:14] <msg31> I need an older version to test a few things with a patch I'm developing
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2887[13:20:28] <jelly> dpkg, tell msg31 about cd archive
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2891[13:22:35] <msg31> jelly, cheers, thanks!
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2910[13:30:17] <pawiecki> jelly: you are right. I was using instructions from replaced-url
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2933[13:34:53] <sir123> hello
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2939[13:35:28] <jelly> pawiecki: okay. Which debian release are you using?
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2943[13:35:51] <jelly> pawiecki: does output of "id -a" confirm you added the group correctly?
2944[13:36:03] <sir123> how can I set up a local repository of my own built packages? TIA
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2958[13:37:15] <j4son> sir123: i would look at using something like aptly
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2967[13:37:58] <menace> Hi, is there a mechanism to test if the debian server are available before an apt-get update is run? is there any hook?
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2969[13:38:00] <pawiecki> jelly: it's 8, up to date. But i think it's my fault. In the mean time i have deleted new user and added him again with 'sudo adduser newuser' and it showed information about adding new group, adding him to new group and then asked me to input new password. It's confusing, that there's (bad) useradd, and (good) adduser.
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2977[13:41:22] <nkuttler> menace: available?
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2979[13:41:42] <nkuttler> menace: what are you trying to do?
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2983[13:42:32] <menace> i have a debian box here, where i don't know whether i have access, because sometimes the internet is shut off.. or firewalls have changed
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2985[13:43:39] <nkuttler> menace: access to what?
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2988[13:44:26] <menace> to the server which contains the debian repositories which are in my sources.list/sources.list.d* files
2989[13:44:32] <ttl-> hi, i'm trying to switch from stable to testing but i'm hitting a problem: E: Internal Error, Could not early remove sysvinit-utils:amd64 (2)
2990[13:44:44] <nkuttler> menace: are you running something like apt-cron and want to make sure the network is up, or ... ?
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2993[13:45:17] <menace> something like that, yes. i have only access to the internet, if a certain RemoteAccessPoint is available.
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2995[13:45:34] <ttl-> E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package sysvinit-utils:amd64 due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop.
2996[13:45:36] <menace> i thought of first pinging the servers, but i thought, there is some inherent mechanism in apt.
2997[13:45:51] <ttl-> is there a safe way around this ?
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3000[13:45:56] <nkuttler> menace: yeah, not sure if there is another way
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3003[13:46:12] <nkuttler> !tell ttl- about debian-next
3004[13:46:25] <ttl-> nkuttler: thanks
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3019[13:50:24] <ttl-> nkuttler: in the first place a was trying to install xserver-xorg-video-intel from testing with same result, my screen is tearing all the time and turning TearFree on makes the driver crash all of the time
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3034[13:54:40] <nkuttler> ttl-: testing support is not on topic here
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3042[13:55:34] <c0fe_machine> this isn't for support
3043[13:55:39] <c0fe_machine> of any kind
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3049[13:57:00] <ttl-> nkuttler: yes, sorry...
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3065[14:02:10] <TxGVNN> hi everyone, i can't exec ls-create without root
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3068[14:02:47] <TxGVNN> i use jessie with systemd
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3070[14:03:58] <TxGVNN> when i run lxc-create -n test1 -t debian
3071[14:04:11] <TxGVNN> it report:
3072[14:04:22] <TxGVNN> lxc-create 1457612097.177 ERROR lxc_container - Failed to chown container dir lxc-create 1457612097.177 ERROR lxc_create_ui - Error creating container test1
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3086[14:07:14] <babilen> TxGVNN: Do you have uidmap installed?
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3088[14:07:34] <TxGVNN> i have installed it
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3091[14:07:58] <TxGVNN> i have installed follow replaced-url
3092[14:08:22] <TxGVNN> and when i run lxc-checkconfig
3093[14:08:26] <TxGVNN> it's ok
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3096[14:08:36] <babilen> That doesn't mention uidmap, does it?
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3100[14:09:21] <TxGVNN> yep sir
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3102[14:09:56] <TxGVNN> but i have config it at .config/lxc/default.conf
3103[14:10:16] <TxGVNN> lxc.id_map = u 0 100000 65536
3104[14:10:21] <TxGVNN> lxc.id_map = g 0 100000 65536
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3125[14:17:27] <sp4nky> hello, is it safe to switch from jessie to wheezy on debian 8?
3126[14:18:06] <colo-work> I'm not sure what you are talking about, but the answer to the question you should be asking instead is probably "no".
3127[14:18:15] <colo-work> you can't downgrade releases
3128[14:18:49] <sp4nky> colo-work thank you :(
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3134[14:20:00] <teraflops> sp4nky: you cannot. If youre bored and wanted to try it, that nonsense is unsupported here
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3137[14:21:18] <petn-randall> sp4nky: Why do you want to downgrade?
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3170[14:33:16] <maddawg2> hey all... I'm looking to start using debian... been a long time ubuntu user, and mainly had a couple questions regarding setting up debian... first is there a Debian Server and a Debian Desktop build (as there is with ubuntu)
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3172[14:33:40] <babilen> There isn't
3173[14:33:49] <maddawg2> so are all debian released CLI only?
3174[14:33:53] <AxForest> nope
3175[14:33:56] <maddawg2> cuz that's what i want
3176[14:33:58] <maddawg2> oh
3177[14:34:08] <babilen> No, not at all. You can install a variety of desktop environments during installation
3178[14:34:13] <maddawg2> oh ok
3179[14:34:26] <babilen> Just don't install the "Desktop" task if you *do not* want that :)
3180[14:34:30] <AxForest> y or u can load without gui or with xfce already included
3181[14:34:39] <TomTomTosch> maddawg2, in the installer you can decide to simply not install a DE.
3182[14:34:54] <rozie> but you can install everything later
3183[14:34:55] <maddawg2> which brings me my next question... i notice on the debian site there's a number of ISO (DVD) named debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
3184[14:35:02] <maddawg2> all the way up to debian-8.3.0-amd64-DVD-3.iso
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3187[14:35:06] <babilen> Pick the expert installation if you want to be asked all the pesky and detailed questions
3188[14:35:06] <sypher> maddawg2: You only need the first one.
3189[14:35:07] <rozie> maddawg2: choose netiso if you have good connection
3190[14:35:10] <maddawg2> do i need all 3 or just the first one?
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3192[14:35:22] <sypher> maddawg2: Or, as rozie said, the net installer.
3193[14:35:22] <AxForest> what kind of connection u got?
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3196[14:35:34] <maddawg2> rozile i have a gigabit up and down... is that good enough for a netinstall ;-P
3197[14:35:39] <AxForest> y
3198[14:35:43] <AxForest> use it
3199[14:35:49] <rozie> i might be enough ;)
3200[14:36:00] <AxForest> i would love to have gbit >.<
3201[14:36:01] <maddawg2> lol just got it
3202[14:36:02] <rozie> especially if you have copper, not wifi
3203[14:36:06] <maddawg2> fiber
3204[14:36:06] <babilen> maddawg2: You wouldn't even need that if you have a working internet connection. The entirety of the CD/DVD/BD sets include *all* packages in Debian. The installer on the first disk is capable of installing Debian just fine and the different images simply include a different set of packages
3205[14:36:17] <maddawg2> tho to my desktop its cat6
3206[14:36:19] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
3207[14:36:19] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
3208[14:36:22] <rozie> babilen: not true. security ;)
3209[14:36:24] <themill> (the netinst can complete without even having a working network connection)
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3211[14:36:57] <babilen> rozie: I don't quite follow
3212[14:36:57] <maddawg2> ok so the netintsall is part of the ISO?
3213[14:37:04] <maddawg2> i dont need a seperate image for that?
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3215[14:37:11] <AxForest> seperate iso
3216[14:37:17] <maddawg2> oh
3217[14:37:24] <babilen> maddawg2: What do you refer to by "netinstall" exactly here?
3218[14:37:26] <AxForest> 64bit?
3219[14:37:34] <rozie> babilen: if you install from DVDs, this system will be out of date
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3222[14:37:40] <rozie> no security patches
3223[14:37:44] <maddawg2> gotcha
3224[14:37:54] <maddawg2> i'm gonna try the netinstall
3225[14:37:57] <maddawg2> i'm doing it to a vm
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3227[14:38:03] <maddawg2> so i gotta figure that out first lol
3228[14:38:09] <babilen> In the context of Debian it denotes a specific image that is meant to be used for installing Debian when you have a working internet connection (even though you can use that for a minimal install without)
3229[14:38:14] <rozie> netiso is good for VMs
3230[14:38:15] <AxForest> replaced-url
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3235[14:39:07] <maddawg2> yep found it just downloading now
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3237[14:39:24] <babilen> rozie: That depends on how close to a point release you'll be .. but still, the CD1/DVD1/... images still include everything you need for installing Debian in that specific flavour. I never claimed that the packages on it are always up-to-date.
3238[14:39:40] <rozie> maddawg2: if you use hypervisor that support cloud-init, official cloud images would be better
3239[14:39:45] <maddawg2> i'm trying to set up a ocs inventory server in debian... i originally tried with ubuntu but the directions weren't quite working
3240[14:39:55] <babilen> maddawg2: I'd download the netinstall with firmware (linked earlier) from replaced-url
3241[14:39:56] <maddawg2> ubuntu changed alot since they were written so they dont implement things the same
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3243[14:40:23] <maddawg2> so now i'm gonna try using the debian guide
3244[14:40:28] <maddawg2> which might be more up to date
3245[14:40:40] <babilen> maddawg2: Once you are done with the installation do not forget to install intel-microcode or amd64-microcode for Intel or AMD CPUs respectively.
3246[14:40:57] <maddawg2> well it'll be a vm on an intel
3247[14:41:01] <maddawg2> 64-bit
3248[14:41:02] <babilen> ah
3249[14:41:13] <rozie> no need for microcode then
3250[14:41:17] <babilen> nope
3251[14:41:18] <maddawg2> yea
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3253[14:41:39] <rozie> maddawg2: which virtualisation/hypervisor?
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3256[14:41:57] <rozie> kvm works like a charm
3257[14:42:09] <maddawg2> rozie for testing purposes i'm just using vmware workstation... when in production tho my boss wants me to use the hyper-v server he has
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3259[14:42:21] <maddawg2> but i'd like to use vmware esxi :-(
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3263[14:42:37] <maddawg2> he sucks on MS titties
3264[14:42:50] <sypher> maddawg2: ESXi is no more capable than Hyper-V, honestly. But that's off-topic.
3265[14:43:07] <sypher> maddawg2: When you deploy to Hyper-V, you have to use a Gen 1 VM unless you want to dig in with powershell to disable secure boot.
3266[14:43:07] <maddawg2> yea i just dont like the layout of hyper-v
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3268[14:43:38] <sypher> maddawg2: I'm sure your boss will let you pony up the money for ESXi if you feel that strongly about it. ;)
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3270[14:43:47] <maddawg2> i already have it
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3272[14:44:03] <maddawg2> we were on ESXi then they acquired us and made us switch
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3274[14:44:08] <maddawg2> to what they used
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3276[14:44:11] <maddawg2> which was hyper-v
3277[14:44:24] <sypher> maddawg2: Makes sense. Anyway, there's that caveat to Debian on Hyper-V.
3278[14:44:34] <maddawg2> good to know
3279[14:44:43] <mirazi_heket> is there any equivalent for admuncher for debian?
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3281[14:46:01] <terxx> Hi, short question, is there a good deduplication solution around for debian?
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3283[14:46:33] <maddawg2> so what version of debian is considered "Debian Squeeze"
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3285[14:46:53] <darxmurf> terxx: ? what do you mean with "deduplication"
3286[14:46:56] <elmcrest> can someone give me a hint about this "/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible!."?
3287[14:47:24] <dx486> maddawg2, replaced-url
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3289[14:47:44] <darxmurf> elmcrest: when you use EFI+GPT you need a first partition (around 100mb) to store some files
3290[14:47:45] <terxx> block level deduplication if possible
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3292[14:47:58] <darxmurf> so, data replication ?
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3297[14:49:11] <terxx> darxmurf: no the opposite
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3299[14:49:25] <terxx> like lessfs
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3302[14:50:10] <Dabuti> Hello guys I have a noob question: I have Debian 8.2 installed and I need openjdk8 but it is not in my repositories
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3305[14:50:16] <Dabuti> what should I do ?
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3307[14:50:23] <darxmurf> terxx: ah sorry, can't help you on this
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3309[14:51:25] <Dabuti> Should I add a new source for it ?
3310[14:51:30] <terxx> Ok thanks any way
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3313[14:52:48] <elmcrest> darxmurf: It's an AMI BIOS, no EFI
3314[14:53:09] <elmcrest> darxmurf: debian squeeze to have this menioned
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3324[14:55:49] <Dabuti> Hello guys I have a noob question: I have Debian 8.2
3325[14:55:49] <Dabuti> installed and I need openjdk8 but it is not in my
3326[14:55:49] <Dabuti> repositories
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3328[14:56:08] <zamba> hi! during installation i didn't have network connectivity.. now after installation i do.. how can i re-run the steps about setting up debian archive mirror and that stuff?
3329[14:56:29] <dagerik> zamba: dpkg-reconfigure something...
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3332[14:56:38] <zamba> dagerik: hehe, well.. what? :)
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3338[14:57:31] <abrotman> Dabuti: apt-cache search openjdk .. any available?
3339[14:57:51] <Dabuti> yes only until 7
3340[14:57:56] <Dabuti> I need to install 8
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3344[14:58:07] <dionysus69> how do I create an alias for ssh connection? I dont want to be forced to remember some horrible username@ipaddress
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3347[14:58:29] <mtn> zamba: replaced-url
3348[14:58:30] <dagerik> dionysus69: ~/.ssh/config
3349[14:58:33] <zykotick9> zamba: you might be able to just edit your sources.list file see "/msg dpkg sources.list" for the required three entries
3350[14:58:40] <abrotman> dionysus69: it's only in backports
3351[14:58:45] <abrotman> jeez, wrong person
3352[14:58:50] <abrotman> Dabuti: it's only in backports
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3355[14:58:55] <abrotman> dpkg: tell Dabuti about jessie backports
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3357[14:59:08] <dionysus69> abrotman: I have backport sourced, what do I do ?
3358[14:59:14] <Dabuti> how do I enable that backport ?
3359[14:59:16] <abrotman> dionysus69: that wasn't for you
3360[14:59:18] <dionysus69> dagerik: what about config. that dir nor file exists
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3362[14:59:24] <dx486> dpkg: tell dx486 about jessie backports
3363[14:59:32] <dx486> :) did not work
3364[14:59:32] <Amun_Ra> replaced-url
3365[14:59:49] <dx486> oh, worked
3366[15:00:39] <abrotman> dpkg: tell dx486 about selftell
3367[15:00:58] <Dabuti> Ok found the backports
3368[15:00:59] <Dabuti> thanks
3369[15:01:10] <dx486> thanks, abrotman
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3383[15:04:49] <ntwari> how can i find out where a package installed to?
3384[15:04:58] <ntwari> what folders it wrote to
3385[15:05:26] <blind> dpkg -L packagename
3386[15:05:26] <dpkg> No packages found matching packagename
3387[15:05:30] <blind> sorry bot
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3390[15:06:02] <maddawg2> that's my package's name
3391[15:06:08] <maddawg2> suprised it couldnt find it
3392[15:06:21] <ntwari> blind: thanks
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3424[15:21:28] <maddawg2> this gigabit connection aint fast enough
3425[15:21:36] <maddawg2> over 1 hour to install debian from net
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3450[15:27:44] <thurstylark> How far will the kernel be updated under Jessie?
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3452[15:28:09] <karlpinc> thurstylark: It won't, execpt for security fixes. backports will continue to have newer kernels, very likely.
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3454[15:28:27] <maddawg2> after i upload my kernel into jessie it'll be the latest
3455[15:28:32] <maddawg2> lol
3456[15:28:37] <thurstylark> karlpinc: Ahh, how far will backports go?
3457[15:29:00] <karlpinc> thurstylark: Dunno. It's a volunteer effort. Somebody always wants a newer kernel....
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3459[15:30:18] <thurstylark> karlpinc: Like me :P My sound card isn't supported in the latest kernel in backports so I'm itching to upgrade when possible.
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3469[15:33:06] <karlpinc> thurstylark: You can watch the kernels in unstable and testing. Often they'll soon show up in backports. However, sometimes there's kernel changes that are backwards incompatible and the backported kernel pipeline just stops.
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3473[15:33:48] <karlpinc> thurstylark: In that case there's the debian kernel handbook. You can probably take just the module for your sound card and recompile it into an older kernel. Or possibly anyway. I've not tried it.
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3479[15:35:44] <elmcrest> anyone here who can help me with getting grub fixed? ... background is a broken raid10 with lvm on squeeze. I research since some hours without any success. at least meanwhile I have parted and gdisk installed :)
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3481[15:36:25] <rysiek|pl> hi all
3482[15:36:27] <elmcrest> the problem is that the system now boots from a broken HDD which I can't replace because then the system doesn't boot anymore
3483[15:36:35] <rysiek|pl> here's a funky question for you:
3484[15:36:43] <rysiek|pl> I have hosts A and B
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3489[15:37:05] <rysiek|pl> opn host A I have a user whose key is added to authorized_keys for user@B
3490[15:37:14] <elmcrest> it seems I'm even too stupid to find the current working boot partition ... neither fdisk, gdisk or parted shows anything useful
3491[15:37:17] <rysiek|pl> however, this key is added with an explicit command
3492[15:37:53] <rysiek|pl> so ssh user@B (executed on host A as user) results in connection, logging-in via the key, and execution of the command immediately after
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3494[15:38:14] <rysiek|pl> question is: is there a way only to test the connection and log-in phases *without* actually executing the command?
3495[15:38:23] <karlpinc> elmcrest: So, your MBR is on a disk you want to replace? That's the problem?
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3497[15:38:36] <karlpinc> elmcrest: Or is it uefi?
3498[15:38:41] <rysiek|pl> something like "connect-and-disconnect-immediately-on-successful-login"
3499[15:39:00] <elmcrest> karlpinc: I can't even verify the MBR ... disks had been formatted with GPT, though boot partition should be MBR anyways, right?
3500[15:39:02] <thurstylark> rysiek|pl: how is the command configured?
3501[15:39:15] <karlpinc> rysiek|pl: I don't suppose you could temporarly replace the command with "/bin/echo hello" or something?
3502[15:39:15] <elmcrest> karlpinc: no, it's an AMI BIOS mainboard, no EFI
3503[15:39:15] <rysiek|pl> thurstylark: it's just added to authorized_keys, something like
3504[15:39:29] <karlpinc> elmcrest: Right.
3505[15:39:31] <rysiek|pl> command="/usr/bin/echo 'this is the command'" THE_KEY
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3507[15:40:08] <karlpinc> elmcrest: MBR is outside of the partition space, in that it's not partition content but shows up in the partition data structure itself.
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3510[15:40:55] <rysiek|pl> thurstylark: and we have no control over what's in authorized_keys; we can neither change the command, nor can we modify the command itself on host B (e.g. modifying /usr/bin/echo binary)
3511[15:40:56] <elmcrest> karlpinc: fdisk -l should print this, right?
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3513[15:41:24] <karlpinc> elmcrest: Mmm. No Don't think so.
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3515[15:41:52] <rysiek|pl> thurstylark: basically, I need a way of testing connection and public key login, without executing the command (the command is actually a backup script)
3516[15:41:59] <elmcrest> karlpinc: ok, how could I verify the MBR?
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3518[15:42:04] <karlpinc> elmcrest: You just put the mbr somewhere and tell the bios where it is. So, to boot off another disk you put a new mbr somewhere and tell the bios to boot from it.
3519[15:42:05] <thurstylark> rysiek|pl: what happens when you do `ssh user@B ls -la` ?
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3521[15:42:24] <grawity> in BIOS, the *bootcode* has to be in the MBR, but partitions themselves can be either MBR or GPT, as long as your bootloader is smart enough
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3523[15:42:31] <karlpinc> elmcrest: (The bios usually allows a series of fallbacks.)
3524[15:42:34] <elmcrest> karlpinc: sounds easy :)
3525[15:42:51] <TomTomTosch> fdisk -l does show the boot flag, which should prob be a hint.
3526[15:42:58] <karlpinc> rysiek|pl: Interesting.
3527[15:43:06] <elmcrest> TomTomTosch: yeah but doesn't ...
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3529[15:43:21] <elmcrest> fdisk -l -> replaced-url
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3532[15:43:26] <grawity> rysiek|pl: you could try -N
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3534[15:43:40] <rysiek|pl> a sec, setting up a test rig
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3536[15:43:47] <karlpinc> elmcrest: If you really want to know there's ways to poke at it, but you don't really want to know. You really just want to boot from an mbr elsewhere.
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3538[15:44:19] <grawity> sshd can only override the command when the client requests a session channel, but it can't force the client to actually request one
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3540[15:44:20] <Online_> So I'm going to set up a proxy server so I won't hit the package mirrors more than necessary and reap the LAN speedup benefit. So far I found apt-cacher, apt-proxy and approx. Guess Squid or other general http proxies would work too. Does anyone here have experiences to share?
3541[15:44:23] <elmcrest> karlpinc: yeah ok, I'm fine with that and you're right, I just want to boot :)
3542[15:44:31] <rysiek|pl> thurstylark: the command happens. that's the whole point of authorized_keys with a command in front of the key :)
3543[15:44:39] <rysiek|pl> grawity: testing, a sec
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3545[15:44:49] <thurstylark> gotcha.
3546[15:45:28] <rysiek|pl> grawity: yeah, it doesn't seem to execute the command I think
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3548[15:45:35] <rysiek|pl> grawity: but it just hangs there
3549[15:45:35] <grawity> with -N the client will idle without opening a command channel (useful for pure-port-forwarding things for example)
3550[15:45:38] <grawity> so hmm
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3552[15:45:43] <rysiek|pl> yeha
3553[15:45:45] <rysiek|pl> *yeah
3554[15:45:56] <karlpinc> Online_: I use apt-cacher. I once heard that apt-cacher-ng is better....
3555[15:45:57] <rysiek|pl> I guess I could run this and then kill it after a second or so
3556[15:46:09] <rysiek|pl> grawity: but I thought there's a nicer solutions
3557[15:46:11] <karlpinc> rysiek|pl: Use it in combination with -vvv or whatever to watch it's progress.
3558[15:46:19] <rysiek|pl> karlpinc: yeah
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3560[15:46:25] <rysiek|pl> lemme check one thing
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3562[15:46:44] <livcd> i have an issue starting mdadm. It says that mdadm.service is masked
3563[15:46:46] <livcd> on Jessie
3564[15:46:56] <grawity> rysiek|pl: mux=~/.ssh/control.$$; if ssh -fNS $mux $host; then echo "okay"; else echo "fail"; fi; ssh -S $mux -O exit || true;
3565[15:47:15] <rysiek|pl> whoa
3566[15:47:22] <rysiek|pl> ok, let me wrap my head around this one
3567[15:47:25] <grawity> er, make that a -fNMS
3568[15:47:31] <karlpinc> Online_: You do not want just a proxy. You likely want something that caches locally to disk.
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3571[15:48:07] <rozie> Online_: use apt-cacher-ng
3572[15:48:17] <rozie> used apt-proxy, then apt-cacher
3573[15:48:25] <rozie> now I'm happy with apt-cacher-ng
3574[15:48:27] <Online_> karlpinc: Will add apt-cacher-ng to my list. Sorry, should have specified -caching- proxy.
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3577[15:48:41] <rysiek|pl> grawity: this makes sense, will test it in a sec
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3581[15:49:22] <grawity> in fact, maybe you could reuse the $mux for the real thing, instead of immediately closing it
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3584[15:49:38] <karlpinc> Online_: rozie's recommendation sounds good to me.
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3587[15:50:09] <rysiek|pl> grawity: nah, the check and the actual command execution happen completely separately, different times of day, etc
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3590[15:50:37] <grawity> okay
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3593[15:51:17] <karlpinc> grawity: Very clever. I like it.
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3596[15:51:39] <grawity> your other option would be to write a tool using paramiko or libssh that only auths and exits
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3599[15:52:02] <Online_> karlpinc and rozie: Thanks for input, will go with apt-cacher-ng and replace it if it for some reason don't work out.
3600[15:52:07] <rysiek|pl> the less requirements the better
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3602[15:52:18] <rysiek|pl> sp the mux thing looks genuinely good
3603[15:52:21] <rysiek|pl> *so
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3606[15:53:21] <Mathisen_> why cant i install kismet ? it is in repo right ??
3607[15:53:25] <Mathisen_> replaced-url
3608[15:53:31] <Mathisen_> but apt dont find it
3609[15:53:46] <elmcrest> ok that's weird I can't find anything with a boot flag set but the system boots ...
3610[15:53:48] <rysiek|pl> grawity: hummm
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3612[15:54:06] <rysiek|pl> grawity: ssh -S $mux -O exit <- this part doesn't seem to work, just dumps out the usage for ssh
3613[15:54:12] <grawity> ah yes
3614[15:54:12] <JyZyXEL> whats a good thing to append to a package name when you create your own version of it?
3615[15:54:17] <grawity> you need to give it a dummy hostname
3616[15:54:19] <karlpinc> !tell Mathisen_about errors
3617[15:54:28] <rysiek|pl> ah
3618[15:54:42] <grawity> well maybe the real hostname, it won't use it with -O but it still insists on one
3619[15:54:49] <rysiek|pl> hah
3620[15:54:51] <rysiek|pl> ssh -S $mux -O exit asdffg
3621[15:54:51] <rysiek|pl> Exit request sent.
3622[15:54:52] <rysiek|pl> indeed
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3624[15:55:03] <rysiek|pl> this is some funky stuff right there
3625[15:55:06] <rysiek|pl> thanks a lot!
3626[15:55:08] <Mathisen_> anyone ? when doing apt-cache search kismet i find nothing
3627[15:55:24] <rozie> Mathisen_: sure you searched contrib/non-free? it's present in Jessie
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3629[15:55:28] <zykotick9> Mathisen_: what release are you using? jessie?
3630[15:55:43] <rysiek|pl> Mathisen_: replaced-url
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3633[15:55:52] <Mathisen_> yes i have contrib main non-free and using jessie
3634[15:56:09] <rysiek|pl> Mathisen_: replaced-url
3635[15:56:15] <TomTomTosch> Mathisen_, kismet in in main. what debian version do you have?
3636[15:56:20] <rysiek|pl> Mathisen_: do an apt-get update first?
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3640[15:56:27] <karlpinc> JyZyXEL: Very good question. IIRC there's something on wiki.debian.org regarding self-backporting that might answer it.
3641[15:56:34] <Mathisen_> i have done update also
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3646[15:57:21] <TomTomTosch> Mathisen_, best just paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net
3647[15:57:25] * rysiek|pl now thought that there's also the timeout command
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3649[15:57:31] <zykotick9> Mathisen_: when you installed debian, did you have internet? if not, your sources.list might be incomplete.
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3654[15:57:57] <rysiek|pl> TomTomTosch: actually, cat /etc/apt/sources.list* ;)
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3658[15:58:59] <karlpinc> JyZyXEL: In the past I think I've just used "bpo", on the theory that if somebody else puts the exact same version into backports then I don't really care, and if they put something newer in then I'll be able to install it. Whether this makes real sense or not I can't say.
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3660[15:59:10] <Mathisen_> i will double check everythig
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3662[15:59:30] <maddawg2> netinstall failed :-\
3663[15:59:33] <maddawg2> hmmmmmmmm
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3665[16:00:09] <TomTomTosch> rysiek|pl, i don't care how.
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3670[16:01:42] <rysiek|pl> TomTomTosch: seems to me there might be something in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ that's not in /etc/apt/sources.list, but hey, that's just me
3671[16:01:50] <JyZyXEL> karlpinc: im adding my own features as well, so ill need to go with a unique name
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3679[16:04:09] <maddawg2> ok debian is sucking now
3680[16:04:19] <maddawg2> downloaded the netinstall tried to install and it keeps failing
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3682[16:04:32] <TomTomTosch> maddawg2, how so?
3683[16:04:53] <maddawg2> well i select the software to isntall and click continue
3684[16:04:59] <maddawg2> and it starts to install
3685[16:05:03] <maddawg2> starts to retrieve stuff
3686[16:05:10] <maddawg2> then comes back and says an installation step failed
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3689[16:05:23] <nkuttler> maddawg2: are you using the stable installer?
3690[16:05:32] <TomTomTosch> did you install the base system earlier?
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3693[16:05:59] <maddawg2> replaced-url
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3695[16:06:04] <maddawg2> clicking on AMD64
3696[16:06:13] <maddawg2> TomTom yes
3697[16:06:16] <maddawg2> i beleive so
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3699[16:06:29] <TomTomTosch> if you did and changed the partitioning, then the installer will skip the base install and the next step will fail.
3700[16:06:30] <nkuttler> so what's the error?
3701[16:06:51] <maddawg2> nkuttler: says an installation setup failed i could skip it or try again
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3703[16:07:05] <livcd> how can i find out why mdadm has been masked on Jessie ?
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3706[16:07:23] <nkuttler> maddawg2: i think there's a log on vt1
3707[16:07:26] <nkuttler> maddawg2: ctrl-alt-f1
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3709[16:08:04] <maddawg2> i'm at the software selection... i've selected Debian Desktop environemtn (with KDE) and standard system utilities
3710[16:08:12] <maddawg2> and then i click continue
3711[16:08:23] <maddawg2> goes for some time then says "An installation step failed"
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3716[16:08:35] <TomTomTosch> maddawg2, did you install the base system before?
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3718[16:08:43] <maddawg2> yes
3719[16:09:00] <maddawg2> i beleive so... as that's the step before the current step i'm on
3720[16:09:06] <maddawg2> i couldnt have got here had i not
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3728[16:12:14] <maddawg2> nkuttler doesnt do anything
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3730[16:12:26] <maddawg2> the ctrl+alt+f1
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3732[16:12:42] <karlpinc> nkuttler: hold control, hold alt, press f1.
3733[16:12:53] <maddawg2> no way
3734[16:12:57] <maddawg2> is that how you do it
3735[16:12:59] <maddawg2> sighj
3736[16:13:12] <karlpinc> maddawg2: Then try f2 or f3 or f4. They are all interesting.
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3739[16:13:32] <maddawg2> f2 brought me to a busybox shell
3740[16:13:43] <TomTomTosch> error msgs go to left alt + f4
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3744[16:14:09] <maddawg2> ok
3745[16:14:12] <maddawg2> got something
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3748[16:14:29] <maddawg2> in target: tasksel: apt-get failed (100)
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3751[16:14:51] <TomTomTosch> that's all?
3752[16:14:58] <maddawg2> un able to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try fix missing
3753[16:15:15] <maddawg2> looks like the mirror i sleected maybe
3754[16:15:58] <maddawg2> faled to fetch replaced-url
3755[16:17:04] <ToHellWithGA> maddawg2: that's because those guys are a bunch of hacks
3756[16:17:07] <ToHellWithGA> MIT. pshaw!
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3758[16:17:26] <maddawg2> i chose it cuz they are 3 doors down
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3760[16:18:21] <ToHellWithGA> maddawg2: replaced-url
3761[16:18:58] <rysiek|pl> grawity: I am guessing the mux file can be any unique temporary file, it doesn't have to reside in ~/.ssh/ right?
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3764[16:19:08] <theamdman_> Why not just go with the default US repo?
3765[16:19:09] <grawity> it can reside anywhere a Unix socket can reside
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3767[16:19:31] <rysiek|pl> right
3768[16:19:31] <maddawg2> theamdman_, cuz i thought it'd be quicker to go to MIT seeing we're on the same network lol
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3775[16:20:51] <theamdman_> nah man, it's the server with the least load is the fastest, connections for most servers now a days are the same, provided you don't have real crap net
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3806[16:30:10] <BoBeR182> Hello, I am looking on migrating servers
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3809[16:30:19] <BoBeR182> I have a digital ocean debian jessie node
3810[16:30:31] <BoBeR182> and want to move to OVH debian 8 jessie
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3812[16:30:38] <BoBeR182> How do I move my email server
3813[16:30:55] <BoBeR182> iredmail over with the most data preserved and least setup needed after
3814[16:31:01] <ToHellWithGA> theamdman_: have you tried the httpredir voodoo?
3815[16:31:06] <BoBeR182> also I have to move my letsencrypt keys
3816[16:31:40] <smilenname> hello
3817[16:31:42] <smilenname> how can compiling iceweasel?
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3834[16:34:41] <TomTomTosch> smilenname, why would you want to compile iceweasel?
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3839[16:35:57] <smilenname> i want compiling iceweasel with gtk3 toolkit
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3846[16:38:36] <TomTomTosch> dpkg, tell smilenname about deb-src
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3852[16:39:32] <teraflops> Gtk3 why? Because black theme? Is broken in many web sites....
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3856[16:40:50] <ayoo> ayy
3857[16:40:56] <thurstylark> ...oo
3858[16:41:06] <theamdman_> ToHellWithGA woah thats cool. nice.
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3862[16:41:35] <ayoo> question; trying to get dotdeb on raspbian, but it ain't working
3863[16:41:40] <ayoo> is it supposed to work on raspbian?
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3866[16:42:08] <RoyK> ayoo: raspbian != debian
3867[16:42:17] <TomTomTosch> ayoo, you should ask #raspbian
3868[16:42:19] <thurstylark> ayoo: probably a question best asked in #raspbian.
3869[16:42:21] <ayoo> oh
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3871[16:42:33] <ayoo> sorry for the inconvience
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3874[16:42:44] <theamdman_> no problem, we're here to help
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3876[16:42:50] <smilenname> is not good idea gtk3? for black themes
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3884[16:46:17] <theamdman_> What DE do y
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3886[16:46:25] <theamdman_> all run?
3887[16:46:46] <theamdman_> haha oops -- What DE do y'all run?
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3978[17:13:41] <livcd> why is the mdadm on jessie masked in systemd ?
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3982[17:14:07] <Brigo> livcd, is it installed in your system?
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3989[17:15:02] <livcd> Brigo: yes
3990[17:15:24] <dionysus69> should I install git or git-core package?
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3992[17:15:31] <Brigo> livcd, then i am clueless. It shouldn't.
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3998[17:16:23] <jelly> livcd: probably because there's native systemd support instead
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4000[17:17:05] <livcd> oh is there ? how can i check ? how can i tell ?
4001[17:17:22] <TomTomTosch> dionysus69, it's the same. git-core is deprecated.
4002[17:17:27] <jelly> livcd: dpkg -L mdadm |grep systemd ... which one of the services is masked? Which ones are active?
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4013[17:20:58] <livcd> mdadm.service
4014[17:21:00] <livcd> jelly: ^
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4018[17:22:10] <dionysus69> thanks TomTomTosch
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4023[17:23:07] <Che-Anarc> Is there an easy way to do to disable ipv6 when doing `apt-get` ? - I tried: `apt-get -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true update` for example but it still tries to use ipv6
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4027[17:23:45] <Dagger> Che-Anarc: is apt-get giving you v6 addresses in its error messages? if so, that usually means your v4 is broken
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4031[17:24:22] <livcd> jelly: only mdmonitor service is enabled
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4035[17:25:09] <Dagger> (which is something you can test with `wget <mirror that apt-get is trying>`, it'll print the IPs in the order that apt-get tries, try to connect to them and print all error messages, rather than just the last error)
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4043[17:26:48] <Che-Anarc> Dagger, thanks you were correct indeed it was just a bad apt server
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4045[17:26:59] <jelly> livcd: if your md arrays have been brought up successfully at boot, that's probably all that needs to be running
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4058[17:30:05] <livcd> jelly: so that thing can run only if the server has md arrays correct ?
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4076[17:36:36] <rysiek|pl> grawity: verified, tested, works like a charm
4077[17:36:42] <rysiek|pl> grawity: much obliged!
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4084[17:37:46] <rysiek|pl> grawity: also verified that the command indeed is not being run at all, which was something I had to be absolutely sure of
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4088[17:39:07] <Deele> how do I move contents of directory to another directory, replacing everything that has the same relative filename/path, just like drag and drop move in file explorer?
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4090[17:39:45] <Deele> I just found solution in stackexchange `cp -al source/* dest/ && rm -r source/*` - is it good? how to create an alias out from it for later use?
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4108[17:43:43] <karlpinc> Deele: Why not just use mv?
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4113[17:44:49] <karlpinc> rysiek|pl: You need to do this more than once? (Just curious.)
4114[17:45:09] <rysiek|pl> karlpinc: I am putting this in a BATS test set
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4118[17:45:30] <karlpinc> rysiek|pl: Nice you got an elegant answer then.
4119[17:45:30] <Deele> karlpinc, I was reading that you could stop with mv it in the middle and you'd have a half-moved tree and probably a mess
4120[17:45:30] <rysiek|pl> karlpinc: and yes, this will be run once per host
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4122[17:45:56] <rysiek|pl> karlpinc: if you don't know BATS yet: replaced-url
4123[17:45:59] <rysiek|pl> lifesaver
4124[17:46:21] <karlpinc> Deele: If you stop anything in the middle you have a mess. But you can always restart/do over what you're doing.
4125[17:46:28] <rysiek|pl> karlpinc: yes, indeed, I was kind of beating around the bush for a couple of months (it was not high on my priority list)
4126[17:46:36] <rysiek|pl> karlpinc: but I finally had to solve this one
4127[17:46:50] <rysiek|pl> karlpinc: so a proper Right Way kind of answer is very much appreciated
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4169[18:02:19] <thurstylark> I just compiled a custom kernel based on the debian handbook, but I'm getting an error when I install it with dpkg: replaced-url
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4185[18:05:37] <thurstylark> Is this actually a fatal error? I did try to install the linux-image before installing the linux-headers package by mistake (since it's my first time trying it), But this output came after installing the headers package.
4186[18:05:58] <Brigo> thurstylark, it looks like it isn't fatal.
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4189[18:06:27] <Brigo> it fail to rename modules.dep or modules.dep.tmp from 4.3 kernel.
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4191[18:06:53] <Brigo> but it installed the 4.5 kernel anyway.
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4194[18:07:25] <Brigo> you can try to reinstall the 4.3 kernel package again and see if there is some error.
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4202[18:09:23] <thurstylark> Brigo: Just tried reinstalling the 4.3 kernel and apt-get just skipped it because it's already installed
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4204[18:09:47] <thurstylark> oh, --reinstall
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4208[18:10:47] <thurstylark> Brigo: Reinstalling the kernel went smoothly with no errors.
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4219[18:14:10] <thurstylark> Brigo: Ahh, it's a problem with a dkms module: replaced-url
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4258[18:30:47] <lerner> how do I change the mac address for wlan0 so my xubuntu remembers it, and I dont have to suco macchange every time I log in?
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4264[18:31:31] <somiaj> lerner: you should ask in xubuntu's support channels/mailing lists
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4292[18:37:47] <Mitzelflick> anyone do split tunneling with vpnc to a cisco ipsec vpn?
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4309[18:43:35] <grawity> Deele: rsync -asHAX --remove-source-files src/ dest/
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4321[18:46:01] <jhutchins> Mitzelflick: Yes.
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4325[18:46:45] <jhutchins> I thought dkms was deprecated.
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4330[18:48:54] <Mitzelflick> Is it easiest to use gnome and the gui vpn client?
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4332[18:49:25] <Mitzelflick> I have vpnc command line working but all my local machines become unavailable
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4335[18:49:43] <Mitzelflick> replaced-url
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4337[18:49:58] <Mitzelflick> This solution shows gnome gui tool I guessing you need gnome for?
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4343[18:51:38] <jhutchins> Mitzelflick: The issue is that the Cisco client/server is able to take complete control of the configuration, not requiring or in some cases even allowing the user to split-tunnel.
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4345[18:52:03] <jhutchins> Mitzelflick: Windows/Anyconnect users are pretty much locked down to the configuration set by the Cisco admin.
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4348[18:52:28] <Mitzelflick> ok
4349[18:52:40] <Mitzelflick> I am trying to use a debian83 laptop
4350[18:52:52] <Mitzelflick> to hit the vpn and still be able to hit local vmware vms
4351[18:52:56] <Mitzelflick> as well as the remote stuff
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4354[18:53:17] <jhutchins> Mitzelflick: In linux, we can create batch files that set the routing table, and that will override the config. I can be a real pain to clean up after a session though.
4355[18:53:17] <Mitzelflick> it worked on windows, I guess because long ago set that way
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4358[18:53:38] <Mitzelflick> maybe i made a mistake trying to use linux laptop
4359[18:53:50] <Mitzelflick> maybe I should go back to win7
4360[18:54:00] <jhutchins> Mitzelflick: I've found that the Linux GUI applets are inconsistent in how they set VPN up and what options they allow.
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4362[18:54:10] <Mitzelflick> I have vpnc conged to get me to be able to see remote machines, but then local not work
4363[18:54:14] <Mitzelflick> hmm
4364[18:54:22] <Mitzelflick> I will give gnome a whirl
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4366[18:54:27] <Mitzelflick> I even hate gnome I love iceWM
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4372[18:55:07] <dionysus69> :( Dependency is not satisfiable: libgcrypt11 (>= 1.4.5)
4373[18:55:12] <jhutchins> Mitzelflick: I would recommend just using openconnect from the command line. There is an optional config file, but you probably want to create a shell script or alias.
4374[18:55:21] <somiaj> dionysus69: what version of debian are you running and what package needs that dependency?
4375[18:55:24] <somiaj> ,v libgcrypt11
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4377[18:55:25] <judd> Package: libgcrypt11 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 1.4.5-2+squeeze3; wheezy: 1.5.0-5+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.5.0-5+deb7u4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.5.0-5+deb7u4
4378[18:55:36] <TomTomTosch> Mitzelflick, you don't need to use gnome to use the tools that come with gnome :P
4379[18:55:47] <dionysus69> I am trying to install upwork messaging app and I have debian 8
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4382[18:56:07] <jhutchins> Mitzelflick: There's some option like --passs-on-stdin, you use that and do echo -n "password" | openconnect [options]
4383[18:56:08] <dionysus69> I already installed all libcrypt packages on apt, including dev version of licbcrypt20
4384[18:56:11] <somiaj> dionysus69: where did you get this app package from? Was the package built for debian?
4385[18:56:19] <dionysus69> yes its for debian
4386[18:56:21] <somiaj> dionysus69: -dev versions just mean headers to compile software.
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4388[18:56:32] <dionysus69> somiaj: replaced-url
4389[18:56:33] <somiaj> dionysus69: where did you get the pakage?
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4393[18:57:08] <somiaj> well debian jessie clearly has a greater version of that libary. and when I use that link it wants me to logon, so that won't help me know more about the package
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4395[18:57:38] <somiaj> we really don't support third party pacakges here. Make sure the package you get is built for debian 8 [not ubuntu or some other based on debian flavor] and see what their documentation says about isntalling it in debian 8
4396[18:58:15] <dionysus69> hmm it says debian based, it may be made for ubuntu more than debian actually you are right
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4398[18:58:36] <dionysus69> I remember I had this problem before and I also remember I resolved it somehow but I dont remember how :D
4399[18:58:37] <jhutchins> ,v libcrypt11
4400[18:58:38] <judd> No package named 'libcrypt11' was found in amd64.
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4403[18:59:00] <somiaj> jhutchins: the error was libgcrypt11
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4405[18:59:14] <jhutchins> dionysus69: That's the kind of error you get when you install things from outside the debian repos.
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4407[18:59:18] <jhutchins> ,v libgcrypt11
4408[18:59:19] <judd> Package: libgcrypt11 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 1.4.5-2+squeeze3; wheezy: 1.5.0-5+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.5.0-5+deb7u4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.5.0-5+deb7u4
4409[18:59:22] <somiaj> oh I see, libgcrypt11 was removed from jessie.
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4412[18:59:50] <dionysus69> well how does one include this app in debian repos :D sounds like a lots of work
4413[19:00:30] <somiaj> dionysus69: is this an opensource app? If the app is not provided in the debian repos, you can usually just build it yourself so you know it works on your system
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4415[19:00:57] <dionysus69> dunno it might not be open sourced
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4417[19:01:42] <somiaj> dionysus69: debian jessie has transitioned from libgcrypt11 to libgcrypt20, so that is why that package is no longer available.
4418[19:02:08] <somiaj> dionysus69: I'm unsure if they would be compadable. But to install that software in jessie you'll need a package built against the versions availble in jessie
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4425[19:04:54] <dionysus69> hmm ok I ll google some more around
4426[19:05:00] <dionysus69> I ll post if I achieve anything
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4428[19:05:28] <born2late> hi
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4431[19:06:16] <born2late> what can be done if a package is not updated for almost a year ?
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4434[19:06:40] <born2late> despite upstream changes ofc
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4437[19:07:19] <TomTomTosch> born2late, stable only gets security updates. you can check backports though.
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4439[19:07:31] <jhutchins> born2late: You can find or hire someone to take over maintenance of the Debian package.
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4449[19:09:09] <DammitJim> weird... I"m trying a VM for Stretch alpha5 and I can't go beyond the Select and Install software step
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4453[19:10:44] <debug0x1> DammitJim: Virtualbox?
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4455[19:11:10] <somiaj> DammitJim: are you specificlly wanting to test the installer or just trying to install stretch?
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4458[19:11:33] <TomTomTosch> DammitJim, you would usually install stable and upgrade to testing. stretch support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net though.
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4462[19:12:02] <DammitJim> somiaj, installing stretch on v Vbox VM
4463[19:12:11] <DammitJim> TomTomTosch, you are right, I need to go ask there
4464[19:12:20] <somiaj> DammitJim: then you should as TomTomTosch suggested, install a minimial stable isntall. upgrade to stretch, then install the rest of your software.
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4469[19:12:56] <somiaj> note I belive there is an upgrade bug in stretch right now that requires you include some forcing options with apt.
4470[19:13:05] <DammitJim> somiaj, thanks
4471[19:13:10] <DammitJim> I'm not testing the upgrade
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4473[19:13:18] <DammitJim> I want to test other things
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4477[19:14:30] <somiaj> !testing installer
4478[19:14:30] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. replaced-url
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4480[19:14:56] <DammitJim> oh, I never knew!
4481[19:14:57] <DammitJim> thanks
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4484[19:15:07] <DammitJim> is there a good document on how to "upgrade" from jessie?
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4486[19:15:33] <somiaj> !jessie->stretch
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4488[19:16:00] <DammitJim> ?
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4490[19:16:20] <TomTomTosch> DammitJim, otherwise always the wiki :P replaced-url
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4492[19:16:30] <somiaj> !stable->testing
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4494[19:16:42] <TomTomTosch> bot on a smoking break :P
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4496[19:16:47] <somiaj> seems like it
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4499[19:17:02] <somiaj> though he responded to me ni /msg
4500[19:17:04] <DammitJim> hopefully the e-cig doesn't explode on his mouth
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4503[19:17:44] <somiaj> DammitJim: /msg dpkg stable->testing
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4505[19:18:18] <markybob> DammitJim: or dselect_ if dpkg doesn't respond
4506[19:18:36] <DammitJim> /msg dpkg stable->testing
4507[19:18:40] <jhutchins> Nobody's created squeeze->stretch yet.
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4546[19:31:49] <nils_> is there a way to disable auto starting of services when using apt-get install? I think in the old days all you had to do was create a script in /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d that exited with 101, but I don't think that'll work with systemd?
4547[19:33:04] <somiaj> nils_: if you happen to know the name of the service file that would be used, you can put a service file that does noting in /etc/systemd/system/
4548[19:33:12] <somiaj> nils_: systemd will use that over the one installed by the package.
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4550[19:33:30] <jcowgill> nils_, policy-rc.d should still work with systemd
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4553[19:34:00] <somiaj> woudln't it only work for packages that are using sysvinit compadability and not ones that provided their own unit file?
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4558[19:35:22] <jcowgill> packages are supposed to use invoke-rc.d to start services after installation
4559[19:35:42] <jcowgill> that program should handle both init systems
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4561[19:35:59] <jcowgill> and it checks policy-rc.d before starting anything
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4563[19:36:24] <somiaj> good to know. I am a still bit fuzzy on how much compadability there is
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4571[19:39:57] <nils_> I really think this should be easier ;)
4572[19:40:07] <nils_> thank you both
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4576[19:40:57] <somiaj> I'd have to turn on my laptop to see what scripts I use in jessie.
4577[19:41:35] <nils_> I have to do this in an ansible deployment, which of course can cause other problems when the playbook aborts somewhere...
4578[19:42:16] <jcowgill> actually, just looking at the sources, it doesn't use invoke-rc.d like I thought - but it does still check policy-rc.d before starting anything
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4583[19:45:38] <Mitzelflick> gnome wont laod lol
4584[19:45:46] <Mitzelflick> gives blue screen no mennu or icon
4585[19:45:53] <Mitzelflick> ah my vpn dreams are dying
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4588[19:46:09] <emesa> How can I install pacemaker in debian 8?
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4590[19:47:05] <nils_> emesa, afaik it's still work in progress, not really supported at the moment
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4592[19:47:26] <nils_> emesa, replaced-url
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4597[19:48:39] <Mitzelflick> how do I get rid of gnome?
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4600[19:49:03] <Mitzelflick> aptitude purge -y gnome did not seem to remove much, while installing gnome was like WOA NELLLY
4601[19:49:25] <Brigo> Mitzelflick, try aptitute autoremove then.
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4607[19:51:10] <infinity3> a
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4614[19:54:01] <markybob> Mitzelflick: yeah, that won't do it. you need to remove core things like libbonobo2-0 and gnome-session
4615[19:54:13] <Mitzelflick> :(
4616[19:54:23] <Mitzelflick> so there is no reversing what I have done?
4617[19:54:34] <Mitzelflick> ok
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4619[19:54:39] <Mitzelflick> lets try this tak
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4621[19:54:46] <Mitzelflick> how do I get gnome actually working?
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4623[19:54:49] <Mitzelflick> nice i7 laptop
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4627[19:54:56] <Mitzelflick> i did patitude install -y gnome
4628[19:55:00] <Mitzelflick> and exited x
4629[19:55:10] <Mitzelflick> startx complains about script channel nouveau
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4631[19:55:16] <markybob> how did we go from removing gnome to fixing it within 30 seconds? :P
4632[19:55:19] <Mitzelflick> so I went back to exec icewm
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4634[19:55:38] <Mitzelflick> I am want to get a vpn working on my work laptop which I reformatted to debian83
4635[19:56:06] <Mitzelflick> I have it working with vpnc
4636[19:56:17] <Mitzelflick> but local boxes become unroutable when I connect
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4641[19:56:57] <markybob> so now we're fixing vpnc
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4644[19:57:38] <markybob> Mitzelflick: you might have Schizophrenia
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4711[20:20:59] <erAbuelo> buenas
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4740[20:34:32] <emesa> How can I stop the watchdog of Linux server
4741[20:34:35] <Mitzelflick> lol
4742[20:34:37] <Mitzelflick> no
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4744[20:35:04] <emesa> I was using heartbeat with watchdog setting and after I stopped heartbeat, the server continue to reboot
4745[20:35:07] <Mitzelflick> I'm just annoyed at how pain it is to connect to vpn and still be able to have local network work.
4746[20:35:22] <Mitzelflick> no clear doc
4747[20:35:24] <Mitzelflick> just chaos
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4749[20:35:59] <Mitzelflick> gnome not only didnt work, but also wont uninstall
4750[20:36:16] <Mitzelflick> so either I press forward, with gnome, which is only tutorial I can find to make split network work
4751[20:36:24] <Mitzelflick> or just remove gnome and deal with on off vpn
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4753[20:36:37] <Mitzelflick> of course debian wotn let me easily remove gnome
4754[20:36:43] <Mitzelflick> it install slike 100 thing
4755[20:36:46] <Mitzelflick> but wont remove them
4756[20:36:47] <Mitzelflick> wtf
4757[20:37:19] <TomTomTosch> Mitzelflick, debian doesn't let you?
4758[20:37:25] <AimHere> gnome is one of those meta packages that brings in 100 other packages
4759[20:37:42] <TomTomTosch> which you are able to remove....
4760[20:37:46] <AimHere> Removing the gnome package on it's own doesn't necessarily remove the 100 dependencies
4761[20:38:06] <markybob> TomTomTosch: i already told him how to do this...
4762[20:38:16] <AimHere> And if your package manager doesn't automatically do it for you *cough*apt-get*cough* it might be a nuisance toremove them
4763[20:38:46] <greycat> If I wanted to accomplish something network-ish, and I found a tutorial that started out with "log in to GNOME and click..." I would immediately close that tab and find a different tutorial.
4764[20:39:15] <greycat> !remove gnome
4765[20:39:15] <dpkg> To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
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4774[20:42:41] <TomTomTosch> there is also apt-get autoremove which will probably do nicely.
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4815[21:00:10] <Mitzelflick> oow aptitude pure -y ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2 working nicely!
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4817[21:01:37] <jmcnaught> Mitzelflick: removing stuff with "-y" can be dangerous, it's better to let it ask for confirmation
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4821[21:03:35] <TomTomTosch> that worked with gnome 3?
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4831[21:07:59] <TomTomTosch> ah, i guess it does.
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4833[21:09:28] <erAbuelo> ta lueg
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4850[21:17:44] <AlexLikeRock> erAbuelo
4851[21:17:46] <AlexLikeRock> Como andas viejo?
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4854[21:18:34] <markybob> !es
4855[21:18:34] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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4859[21:19:29] <TomTomTosch> damn, installed the wrong locale again.
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4943[21:51:45] <AlexLikeRock> Do not fuck with me markybob
4944[21:52:06] <AlexLikeRock> I now this channel its un english
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4946[21:52:55] <Mitzelflick> oh ok
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4956[21:54:47] <teraflops> Btw /ingresar/ is used wrongly in the factoid. An irc channel is not a hospital...
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4972[22:03:06] <Mitzelflick> i A policykit-1-gnome what does this mean in aptitude?
4973[22:03:10] <Mitzelflick> i A
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4980[22:04:24] <r6ku> Mitzelflick: it means that the package was automatically installed, manually installed packages aren't marked with the 'A'
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4982[22:05:03] <Mitzelflick> hm
4983[22:05:18] <Mitzelflick> I may be the most sane man alive.
4984[22:05:23] <Mitzelflick> I have excellent judgement.
4985[22:05:32] <Mitzelflick> outstanding insight and vision
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