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• 11[00:03:39] <dArK_IcE> a
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• 21[00:07:49] <fearnothing> how would one give java permission to listen on a privileged port?
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• 23[00:09:24] <bazhang> privileged
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• 25[00:09:32] <bazhang> to do what exactly
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• 27[00:10:13] <rattking> I have seem some folks listen on a high port and use iptables to nat to a low port.. not great but it worked
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• 34[00:12:09] <fearnothing> bazhang - using logstash to process syslog
• 35[00:12:25] <fearnothing> think I've found part of the answer
• 36[00:12:39] <fearnothing> setcap cap_net_bind_service=+ep /path/to/java
• 37[00:12:49] <fearnothing> now I just need to figure out where java has been installed
• 38[00:13:10] <bazhang> thought you wanted to use a java torrent client or the like
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• 40[00:13:44] <fearnothing> nooooope
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• 43[00:16:01] <kline> when using jessie with networkmanager, on connecting to a wireless network, networkmanager correctly fills my resolv.conf, but some time later, it's being emptied, causing all my dns queries to fail. does anyone know where i should start to diagnose, or if there is a common pairing of packages that think they both own resolv.conf? replaced-url
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• 46[00:16:21] <fearnothing> ok that's the one
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• 48[00:16:31] <ThisIsGoodNow> heyo
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• 50[00:16:46] <ThisIsGoodNow> I'm using debian oldstable and it crashed on me
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• 52[00:16:58] <ThisIsGoodNow> It's not stable.
• 53[00:17:00] <ThisIsGoodNow> Nor old.
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• 56[00:17:11] <bluefive> Does TOR use AES?
• 57[00:17:25] <ThisIsGoodNow> bluefive, TOR in #debian? lol
• 58[00:17:45] <ThisIsGoodNow> Debian is a generic distro. AES isn't much value to them.
• 59[00:18:02] <TomTomTosch> not sure what you are on about...
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• 61[00:18:23] <ThisIsGoodNow> TomTomTosch, I meant how truecrypt, now defunct, doesnt get erased from apt
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• 63[00:18:48] <ThisIsGoodNow> last i heard you dont erase undeveloped apps from apt, or do you?
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• 66[00:19:29] <ThisIsGoodNow> that's why I like opensource. Yaourt all the way!
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• 74[00:22:04] <bazhang> ThisIsGoodNow, does debian have a chat channel
• 75[00:22:08] <bluefive> ThisIsGoodNow, Do you think a 3805U without AES instructions will perform AES encryption slower than an N3150 with AES instructions?
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• 78[00:24:07] <TomTomTosch> bluefive, it's rsa.
• 79[00:24:37] <ThisIsGoodNow> TomTomTosch, Exactly.
• 80[00:24:40] <ThisIsGoodNow> So no AES.
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• 82[00:25:14] <bluefive> TomTomTosch: Since AES instructions are on many CPUs, isn't RSA way slower than AES?
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• 89[00:26:54] <ThisIsGoodNow> what happened with glibc?
• 90[00:27:11] <TomTomTosch> bluefive, rsa is more expensive, yes.
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• 92[00:27:31] <ThisIsGoodNow> TomTomTosch, RSA is owned by EMC
• 93[00:27:37] <ThisIsGoodNow> which is gonna be owned by Dell soon.
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• 96[00:27:49] <bluefive> TomTomTosch: Expensive? You mean that in a technical way? It requires more computing power?
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• 98[00:28:05] <ThisIsGoodNow> bluefive, as in they invest a lot in backdoors
• 99[00:28:15] <ThisIsGoodNow> none exist, but they want some.
• 100[00:28:30] <ThisIsGoodNow> I'd assume so since EMC owns RSA
• 101[00:28:34] <TomTomTosch> bluefive, but they work very differently. i guess public key encryption was a better choice.
• 102[00:28:39] <TomTomTosch> bluefive, yes.
• 103[00:28:39] <bluefive> But AES instructions are on many Intel chips, so I'm presuming AES is much faster than RSA.
• 104[00:28:49] <ThisIsGoodNow> bluefive, whut
• 105[00:29:30] <bluefive> "Advanced Encryption Standard Instruction Set (or the Intel Advanced Encryption Standard New Instructions; AES-NI) is an extension to the x86 instruction set architecture for microprocessors from Intel and AMD proposed by Intel in March 2008.[1] The purpose of the instruction set is to improve the speed of applications performing encryption and decryption using the Advanced Encryption Standard (AES)." replaced-url
• 106[00:29:45] <bluefive> In AES-NI Performance Analyzed, Patrick Schmid and Achim Roos found, "... impressive results from a handful of applications already optimized to take advantage of Intel's AES-NI capability".[24] A performance analysis using the Crypto++ security library showed an increase in throughput from approximately 28.0 cycles per byte to 3.5 cycles per byte with AES/GCM versus a Pentium 4 with no acceleration.[25][26]
• 107[00:30:21] <bluefive> That's huge acceleration. 28 vs 3.5.
• 108[00:30:28] <ThisIsGoodNow> bluefive, dont paste here
• 109[00:30:32] <bluefive> So why wouldn't TOR and other things take advantage of AES vs RSA?
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• 113[00:30:48] <ThisIsGoodNow> bluefive, TOR is backed by US go
• 114[00:30:51] <ThisIsGoodNow> funding
• 115[00:30:59] <bluefive> You
• 116[00:31:03] <bluefive> are saying TOR is backdoored?
• 117[00:31:12] <TomTomTosch> bluefive, maybe you should move to #debian-offtopic. this doesn't really belong here.
• 118[00:31:17] <ThisIsGoodNow> bluefive, im saying US gov donated to TOR. Nothing else.
• 119[00:31:35] <bluefive> I moved to OFFTOPIC.\
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• 131[00:34:54] <dimitry7> hey guys, my resolv.conf gets its nameserver from dhcp everytime the machine boots up
• 132[00:35:01] <dimitry7> i want it to be statick to 8.8.8.8
• 133[00:35:03] <dimitry7> how can i do it? thanks
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• 135[00:35:56] <ThisIsGoodNow> dimitry7, gentoo
• 136[00:35:57] <ThisIsGoodNow> XD
• 137[00:36:01] <dimitry7> haha no
• 138[00:36:04] <dimitry7> debian 8
• 139[00:36:32] <dimitry7> what's gentoo? oh the worst distro ever
• 140[00:36:33] <dimitry7> haha
• 141[00:36:33] <ThisIsGoodNow> i meant switch to gentoo
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• 143[00:36:37] <ThisIsGoodNow> hahaha
• 144[00:36:37] <dimitry7> hahaha
• 145[00:36:40] <dimitry7> no way!
• 146[00:36:45] <ThisIsGoodNow> What?
• 147[00:36:47] <ThisIsGoodNow> come on
• 148[00:36:48] <dimitry7> hahaha
• 149[00:36:51] <ThisIsGoodNow> haha
• 150[00:36:54] <dimitry7> give me a good reason
• 151[00:36:54] <ThisIsGoodNow> Gentoo wins.
• 152[00:37:00] <LambdaComplex> >calling gentoo the worst distro ever
• 153[00:37:02] <LambdaComplex> lol
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• 155[00:37:04] <TomTomTosch> stop spamming please.
• 156[00:37:09] <ThisIsGoodNow> Gentoo's endorsed by FSF iirc
• 157[00:37:15] <markybob> ThisIsGoodNow: stop
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• 160[00:37:34] <ThisIsGoodNow> markybob, FSf makes you pissed off? How about OSI?
• 161[00:37:47] <dimitry7> anyone my question?
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• 163[00:38:00] <LambdaComplex> ThisIsGoodNow: gentoo isn't fsf-approved
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• 165[00:38:13] <dimitry7> i haven't sleep in 49.5 hours this is the only thing I need to go to bed
• 166[00:38:33] <bazhang> ThisIsGoodNow, whats the offtopic channel for debian
• 167[00:38:36] <ThisIsGoodNow> LambdaComplex, but trisequel is
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• 170[00:39:03] <dimitry7> bazhang, debian question? my resolv.conf gets its nameserver from dhcp everytime the machine boots up, i want it to be static to 8.8.8.8. How can I do it?
• 171[00:39:04] <LambdaComplex> tfw ThisIsGoodNow is a horrible troll
• 172[00:39:20] <ThisIsGoodNow> LambdaComplex, trisiquel is endorsed by FSF. Look it up.
• 173[00:39:31] <ThisIsGoodNow> Also go to #debian-offtopic.
• 174[00:39:32] <dax> take the offtopic stuff to the offtopic channel
• 175[00:39:37] <ZitZ> dimitry7: i think you must have some sort of network manager installed that's doing that.
• 176[00:39:58] <bazhang> dimitry7, using networkmanager?
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• 178[00:40:04] <dimitry7> ZitZ, nope
• 179[00:40:10] <bazhang> ,v networkmanager
• 180[00:40:11] <judd> No package named 'networkmanager' was found in amd64.
• 181[00:40:16] <bazhang> augh
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• 186[00:41:05] <dimitry7> this is an AMI in AWS
• 187[00:41:07] <dimitry7> with debian 8
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• 189[00:41:21] <dimitry7> see my packages: replaced-url
• 190[00:41:31] <dimitry7> those only include the word network
• 191[00:41:51] <ZitZ> dimitry7: and when you change it it changes back on restart? What happens if you do /etc/init.d/networking restart.
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• 194[00:42:35] <dimitry7> I can't do that
• 195[00:42:41] <dimitry7> this server is in the cloud and on production
• 196[00:42:50] <dimitry7> if something goes wrong I'll be in trouble
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• 198[00:43:13] <ZitZ> dmitry7: if that's the case, just set it and forget for now, and debug it on a test system
• 199[00:43:27] <bazhang> hard to solve with such strictures
• 200[00:43:39] <ZitZ> if it's production whatever is changing it shouldn't be running very often
• 201[00:43:57] <dimitry7> nop
• 202[00:44:01] <dimitry7> it's the dhcp client
• 203[00:44:08] <dimitry7> that's the only thing
• 204[00:44:09] <eqyiel> what can I do about this? setting shlib_directory=no doesn't seem to do anything: fatal: instance /etc/postfix, shlib_directory=/usr/lib/postfix conflicts with instance /etc/postfix, daemon_dire
• 205[00:44:10] <eqyiel> ctory=/usr/lib/postfix
• 206[00:44:30] <dimitry7> eqyiel, go to #postfix !
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• 209[00:44:45] <dimitry7> eqyiel, tas re wey
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• 211[00:44:48] <eqyiel> dimitry7: that .. would be a good idea!
• 212[00:45:01] <dimitry7> eqyiel, correle ezequiel
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• 215[00:46:18] <dimitry7> ZitZ, what about: # chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
• 216[00:46:18] <dimitry7>
• 217[00:46:19] <dimitry7> ??
• 218[00:46:21] <ThisIsGoodNow> dimitry7, English pls.
• 219[00:46:41] <dimitry7> ThisIsGoodNow, that's ancient English.
• 220[00:47:20] <ThisIsGoodNow> dimitry7, Thy shalln't pass.
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• 222[00:47:28] <ThisIsGoodNow> They shalln't beseech gold.
• 223[00:47:48] <dimitry7> ThisIsGoodNow, stop spamming please.
• 224[00:47:58] <ThisIsGoodNow> dimitry7, Gentoo.
• 225[00:48:03] <ZitZ> dmitry7: do you use the package isc-dhcp-client?
• 226[00:48:18] <dimitry7> ZitZ, yup
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• 228[00:48:30] <dimitry7> ZitZ, ii isc-dhcp-client 4.3.1-6+deb8u2 amd64 DHCP client for automatically obtaining an IP address
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• 233[00:50:35] <ZitZ> dmitry7: i think there is a line or two you need to uncomment in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
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• 236[00:50:51] <ZitZ> or you can install a package called resolvconf
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• 238[00:51:00] <ZitZ> the later i have no experience with
• 239[00:51:25] <dimitry7> ZitZ, ok this is my file: replaced-url
• 240[00:52:28] <ZitZ> dmitry7: the line prepend domain-name-servers
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• 243[00:52:57] <dimitry7> domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name,
• 244[00:53:10] <dimitry7> ZitZ, the whole line?
• 245[00:53:30] <ZitZ> yes, uncomment it and change it's value to say 8.8.8.8
• 246[00:53:44] <ZitZ> i'd test this first of course
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• 248[00:53:59] <dimitry7> ZitZ, great, I'll do some test on a copy of this instance (server) and let you know :)
• 249[00:54:01] <dimitry7> thank you man!!
• 250[00:54:05] <ZitZ> no problem
• 251[00:54:08] <dimitry7> :)
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• 274[01:02:10] <ZitZ> can someone recommend a channel for vpn networking problems, openvpn is rather dead?
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• 276[01:02:54] <ThisIsGoodNow> ZitZ, I'd recommend using PrivateInterntAccess. Everybody says they;'re good
• 277[01:03:00] <ThisIsGoodNow> most of them anyways
• 278[01:03:22] <ZitZ> ThisIsGoodNow: I mean for diagnosing problems with my own vpn server. :)
• 279[01:03:49] <ThisIsGoodNow> ZitZ, OpenVPN?
• 280[01:03:52] <ZitZ> i do use PIA for other things though ;), and yes, they are amazing
• 281[01:04:00] <ThisIsGoodNow> i guess so
• 282[01:04:07] <ZitZ> ThisIsGoodNow: Yeah, the #openvpn channel is dead
• 283[01:04:11] <ZitZ> :(
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• 286[01:04:22] <ThisIsGoodNow> ZitZ, i meant which software u se
• 287[01:04:26] <ThisIsGoodNow> use
• 288[01:04:35] <ZitZ> ah, yes, it is openvpn
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• 291[01:05:43] <ThisIsGoodNow> ZitZ, well in that case
• 292[01:05:50] <ThisIsGoodNow> #openvpn maybe?
• 293[01:05:52] <ThisIsGoodNow> ##openvpn?
• 294[01:05:55] <ThisIsGoodNow> ##vpn?
• 295[01:05:56] <ThisIsGoodNow> #vpn?
• 296[01:06:01] <ThisIsGoodNow> idk
• 297[01:06:05] <ThisIsGoodNow> try one of those
• 298[01:06:05] <ZitZ> yeah, #openvpn is dead, i asked there
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• 300[01:06:09] <ThisIsGoodNow> zitz
• 301[01:06:14] <ThisIsGoodNow> #vpn
• 302[01:06:16] <ZitZ> i'll see if htere is a #vpn or #networking
• 303[01:06:33] <DebTest4> ZitZ: hello :)
• 304[01:06:40] <DebTest4> ZitZ: i wonder about vpn...
• 305[01:06:56] <DebTest4> ZitZ: let's say i subscribe a pia account, how much bandwidth they have ?
• 306[01:07:01] <ZitZ> there is a #networking and a #vpn, #vpn is rather small
• 307[01:07:16] <DebTest4> ZitZ: i can fill my 300 - 500 Mbit/s line ?
• 308[01:07:19] <ZitZ> DebTest4: they don't limit your bandwidth total or speed that i know of
• 309[01:07:21] <dimitry7> ZitZ, good man it worked!!
• 310[01:07:23] <dimitry7> thank you!!!
• 311[01:07:31] <ThisIsGoodNow> ZitZ, #vpn is deaad, try ##vpn
• 312[01:07:41] <ZitZ> dimitry7: super! i'm glad it worked out
• 313[01:08:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1615
• 314[01:08:24] <ZitZ> DebTest4: As for whether or not it will fill your line, i can't answer
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• 319[01:08:51] <ZitZ> but, obviously it's going to be slower than a bare-metal connection
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• 324[01:09:04] <DebTest4> ZitZ: i see, because i saw time ago some tests done by people where they rarely even touch 15-20 Mbit/s
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• 327[01:09:32] <DebTest4> most of them even 7-8 Mbit/s
• 328[01:09:37] <ThisIsGoodNow> bluefive, stop it.
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• 330[01:09:49] <facu_> hi everyone
• 331[01:10:10] <ThisIsGoodNow> facu_, yo
• 332[01:10:12] <ThisIsGoodNow> whats up
• 333[01:10:14] <ThisIsGoodNow> whats going on
• 334[01:10:17] <ThisIsGoodNow> why you here for
• 335[01:10:21] <facu_> nothing just chill
• 336[01:10:28] <ThisIsGoodNow> facu_, #gentoo?
• 337[01:10:33] <facu_> i 've got linux questions
• 338[01:10:39] *** Quits: adrian (~adrian@replaced-ip) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
• 339[01:10:45] <facu_> like is anyone using a minimal debian install?
• 340[01:10:55] <ThisIsGoodNow> facu_, As in gentoo?
• 341[01:11:02] <ZitZ> DebTest: I'd say 8 Mbit/s is probably doable on a close server on a good day
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• 344[01:11:30] <jmcnaught> !ot
• 345[01:11:30] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 347[01:12:05] <bazhang> ThisIsGoodNow, why are you always mentioning gentoo here
• 348[01:12:05] <facu_> mmm i better go to debian-offtopic
• 349[01:12:13] <facu_> thanks anyway !! :D
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• 351[01:12:34] <ThisIsGoodNow> bazhang, inside joke
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• 353[01:12:58] <bazhang> ThisIsGoodNow, its not a good thing to joke in a support channel
• 354[01:13:14] <DebTest4> I have a question
• 355[01:13:20] <ThisIsGoodNow> bazhang, #gentoo-chat welcomes you.
• 356[01:13:29] <DebTest4> I'm trying to setup a dns server for my network able to block lot of ads related domains
• 357[01:13:44] <bazhang> ThisIsGoodNow, lets call the ops here to get their view on your support
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• 359[01:14:07] <DebTest4> i have a big list of domains and i'm trying to create a list in order to tell my dns server unbound to point to 127.0.0.1
• 360[01:14:15] <ThisIsGoodNow> DebTest4, SQL list?
• 361[01:14:24] <DebTest4> ThisIsGoodNow: no, from file
• 362[01:14:38] <DebTest4> ThisIsGoodNow: dns server is called unbound is an alternative to bind
• 363[01:14:50] <ZitZ> DebTest4: you can do this in a host file
• 364[01:15:09] <DebTest4> ZitZ: no because this linux box have to act as dns for all the machines connected to my net
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• 367[01:15:53] <ThisIsGoodNow> DebTest4, use hosts file
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• 369[01:15:55] <ZitZ> DebTest4: doesn't it work if you put the hosts file on that linux box that is acting as the dns?
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• 372[01:16:18] <ZitZ> that's what i do on my openwrt router
• 373[01:16:27] <DebTest4> ZitZ: hm? but the machines are interrogating the dns ^^
• 374[01:16:33] <DebTest4> i mean
• 375[01:16:35] <ThisIsGoodNow> DebTest4 /%systemrot%/windows/system32/drivers/etc/hosts
• 376[01:16:38] <ThisIsGoodNow> XD
• 377[01:16:45] <DebTest4> ThisIsGoodNow: nope man
• 378[01:16:54] <DebTest4> ThisIsGoodNow: i'm not going to edit the hosts of each machine connected
• 379[01:16:54] <ThisIsGoodNow> DebTest4, XD
• 380[01:17:02] <ThisIsGoodNow> XD
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• 382[01:17:14] <DebTest4> ZitZ: replaced-url
• 383[01:17:21] <ThisIsGoodNow> then just do apt-get unbound DebTest4
• 384[01:17:37] <DebTest4> is what i'm doing, i have already it setup
• 385[01:17:38] <ZitZ> DebTest4: the client machines will use that gateway as it's primary dns
• 386[01:17:45] <DebTest4> but i have a problem with its config
• 387[01:17:59] <ZitZ> wait, i'm guessing it's not the same machine doing the dhcp though...
• 388[01:17:59] <DebTest4> seemingly if i load too much domains he says it have errors
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• 390[01:18:14] <ThisIsGoodNow> DebTest4, if you have unbound
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• 392[01:18:20] <ThisIsGoodNow> try apt-get bound
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• 394[01:18:29] <ThisIsGoodNow> i know its older version
• 395[01:18:30] <DebTest4> ...
• 396[01:18:32] <ThisIsGoodNow> but see if it works
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• 398[01:18:43] <bazhang> thats not a valid support answer
• 399[01:19:05] <fearnothing> hi, need a bit of help troubleshooting a port forward
• 400[01:19:09] <ZitZ> i know nothing about unbound
• 401[01:19:33] <bazhang> its not real so ignore whatever he says ZitZ
• 402[01:19:46] <catbeard> unbound is awesome
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• 404[01:19:51] <ThisIsGoodNow> catbeard, agreed.
• 405[01:19:58] <catbeard> handles ridiculous dns traffic
• 406[01:20:10] <fearnothing> I have the following in my before.rules in ufw:
• 407[01:20:13] <fearnothing> 10 *nat
• 408[01:20:13] <fearnothing> 11 :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0]
• 409[01:20:13] <fearnothing> 12 -A PREROUTING -p udp --dport 514 -j REDIRECT --to-port 5140
• 410[01:20:13] <fearnothing> 13 COMMIT
• 411[01:20:13] *** fearnothing was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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• 413[01:20:24] <fearnothing> oh srsly? 4 lines is a flood?
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• 415[01:20:35] <catbeard> no 2+ lines is a pastebin
• 416[01:20:43] <fearnothing> eh fine
• 417[01:20:47] <ZitZ> DebTest4: i think the router may need to know about the dns server as it's primary dns, then it will push it to all the dhcp clients. Or every client is going to have to be manually set with this machine as it's primary dns.
• 418[01:20:58] <ZitZ> there shouldn't be any limit to how much you can put in a host file
• 419[01:20:59] <fearnothing> replaced-url
• 420[01:21:07] <fearnothing> so that's in my before.rules
• 421[01:21:19] <DebTest4> ZitZ: my error is something like this: look replaced-url
• 422[01:21:24] <fearnothing> as I understand it, that should send anything arriving on port 514 to port 5140
• 423[01:21:29] <ThisIsGoodNow> fearnothing, yeah?
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• 425[01:21:31] <ThisIsGoodNow> idk
• 426[01:21:33] <fearnothing> and I have something set up to listen on port 5140
• 427[01:21:40] <catbeard> syslogd?
• 428[01:21:45] <fearnothing> catbeard - logstash
• 429[01:21:51] <catbeard> fair enough
• 430[01:21:59] <fearnothing> but logstash isn't getting anything
• 431[01:22:35] <fearnothing> capturing -i lo port 5140 sees zero packets
• 432[01:22:40] <ThisIsGoodNow> fearnothing, you running logstash alone?
• 433[01:22:45] <fearnothing> no, ELK
• 434[01:22:55] <Akuw> i am getting a Delivery mail fail in my mail box
• 435[01:23:01] <Akuw> but i don't send any mail
• 436[01:23:11] <Akuw> i got many mails like that
• 437[01:23:24] <qman__> It's called backscatter
• 438[01:23:29] <fearnothing> capturing -i eth0 port 514 sees plenty of packets but they're not getting forwarded
• 439[01:23:30] <catbeard> -j DNAT –to x.x.x.x:5140
• 440[01:23:44] <catbeard> try that on your prerouting
• 441[01:23:52] <qman__> It happens when other people don't drop forged mail "from" you
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• 444[01:24:10] <catbeard> make sure you also have ip_forward=1
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• 446[01:24:28] <qman__> The way to fix it is to use SPF and DKIM and such to authenticate your legitimate mail
• 447[01:24:38] <ThisIsGoodNow> qman__, PGP.
• 448[01:24:40] <ThisIsGoodNow> As well.
• 449[01:24:54] <qman__> That way others can easily tell what's fake and ignore it
• 450[01:24:57] <fearnothing> catbeard - where is ip_forward=1 set?
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• 452[01:25:04] <catbeard> sysctl -a | grep ip_forward
• 453[01:25:12] <ZitZ> DebTest4: that link 404s
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• 456[01:25:41] <DebTest4> ZitZ: ?
• 457[01:25:44] <fearnothing> net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0
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• 459[01:25:53] <DebTest4> the question was So, does Unbound has local zone limit and what is it amount?
• 460[01:25:55] <catbeard> sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
• 461[01:26:04] <catbeard> then add to /etc/sysctl.conf to make permanent
• 462[01:26:29] <ThisIsGoodNow> catbeard, but what if it changes on reboot?
• 463[01:26:43] <catbeard> it won't if it's in sysctl
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• 465[01:27:20] <fearnothing> ok, done
• 466[01:27:47] <fearnothing> still nothing on 5140
• 467[01:27:54] <catbeard> you capturing on your elk box?
• 468[01:27:58] <fearnothing> yes
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• 470[01:28:23] <catbeard> are the logs coming from the machine with the fw or from another machine behind it
• 471[01:28:39] <fearnothing> another machine on same subnet
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• 474[01:28:51] <fearnothing> this is a local fw only
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• 476[01:29:11] <catbeard> ufw policy forward allow
• 477[01:29:23] <Akuw> ThisIsGoodNow: do you have any site to read about how to do it?
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• 479[01:29:43] <catbeard> ufw policy routed allow
• 480[01:29:55] <catbeard> then try
• 481[01:29:58] <fearnothing> er, that's not valid syntax
• 482[01:30:04] <catbeard> might be accept
• 483[01:30:15] <catbeard> since it's ipt
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• 485[01:30:56] <catbeard> ops
• 486[01:30:58] <catbeard> it's
• 487[01:31:14] <catbeard> ufw default forward allow
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• 489[01:31:20] <catbeard> ufw default routed allow
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• 492[01:32:04] <fearnothing> still not working syntax =/
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• 494[01:32:31] <fearnothing> default is one of the keywords listed but the arguments must be wrong
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• 498[01:33:29] <catbeard> ah hmm i'm thinking of ubuntu not debian
• 499[01:33:39] <catbeard> ufw default allow
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• 505[01:35:37] <fearnothing> there's apparently a problem with before.rules still
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• 507[01:35:44] <fearnothing> this line: -A PREROUTING -p udp --dport 514 -j DNAT -to 5140
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• 510[01:36:44] <fearnothing> ah, it needed to be --to-port
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• 512[01:37:15] <fearnothing> still not getting anything on port 5140 though
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• 518[01:37:42] <fearnothing> really appreciate your time though catbeard
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• 522[01:38:12] <catbeard> i was gonna say ip.ip.ip.ip:5140
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• 524[01:38:16] <catbeard> but yeah that works too
• 525[01:38:24] <catbeard> np
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• 537[01:39:56] <Akuw> ?
• 538[01:40:17] <fearnothing> catbeard - so, I meant thanks that you are helping, but I'm still not getting packets...
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• 542[01:40:44] <catbeard> ah
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• 545[01:41:34] <fearnothing> I've tried it as --to-port 5140 and -to 127.0.0.1:5140
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• 551[01:42:32] <fearnothing> those are the ones that load successfully but neither of them actually forwards the packets
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• 557[01:43:33] <catbeard> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE
• 558[01:43:35] <catbeard> ?
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• 564[01:45:51] <fearnothing> what's that supposed to do?
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• 618[02:09:07] <jaggzt> why would installing Python3.5 from source, into /var/opt/ or whatever, affect any other debian packages?
• 619[02:09:27] <jaggzt> I have a program I'm compiling (blender) which requires 3.5, but jessie's at 3.4
• 620[02:09:47] <jaggzt> here are their instructions on installing python: replaced-url
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• 622[02:10:26] <dvs> jaggzt, because some packages use python for configuration.
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• 624[02:10:56] <jaggzt> but are they going to look in /opt/py35/ ?
• 625[02:11:28] <jaggzt> or is this "make install" possibly going to change some reference files in /etc/ or whereever (wherever?? that word looks wrong to me right now)
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• 631[02:17:32] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: does the "make install" output say it's changed anything in /etc? It seems like a lot of effort to go through considing the Blender in jessie and jessie-backports doesn't look that old
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• 633[02:17:59] <jaggzt> I have not run this
• 634[02:18:10] <jaggzt> jmcnaught, this is a dev version of blender (git)
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• 636[02:18:35] <jaggzt> within the past month py <=3.4 are likely to fail
• 637[02:18:44] <jaggzt> I'm told
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• 639[02:19:24] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: and the versions of blender available as Debian packages are missing critical features that are disrupting your workflow?
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• 645[02:22:46] <jmcnaught> jaggzt: if you read the Makefile in question, it will show you what would be done. You'll want to make sure that Python 3.5 doesn't end up in anyone's $PATH. Maybe check out GNU Stow as a way of organizing compiled from source stuff (if you absolutely must)
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• 754[03:16:07] <jaggzt> jmcnaught, yeah -- some new features are very valuable to my work
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• 757[03:16:43] <jaggzt> and also I do some development for the blender project :)
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• 778[03:25:11] <austeregrim> I wish I had enabled timestamps on this chat..
• 779[03:25:21] <austeregrim> jaggzt, you still trying to compile blender?
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• 781[03:25:53] <dvs> austeregrim, his last message was 20 mins ago
• 782[03:26:09] <austeregrim> maybe he's still around.
• 783[03:26:15] <austeregrim> but thanks dvs
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• 786[03:27:04] <dvs> np problemo
• 787[03:27:21] <jaggzt> austeregrim, yeah.. although had to work on other things today.. will get back to that soon
• 788[03:28:25] <awal1> How I can have access to the whole dpkg bot database for offline use?
• 789[03:28:28] <austeregrim> I was just trying to figure out why you're compiling, they generally give a pre-compiled binary.. but it I thought I saw you're trying to get it from the git repo.
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• 795[03:30:53] <jaggzt> even without installing -- ie. when some of these features I need are in a release, they're gong to have incompatibilities with py34 I think
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• 797[03:31:08] <jaggzt> austeregrim,
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• 804[03:32:18] <austeregrim> jaggzt, you can just do make, without install... and try running the binary created
• 805[03:32:39] <austeregrim> make-install just copies stuff to relavent locations....
• 806[03:32:44] <jaggzt> well blender's make install does a lot of other setup too, by the way
• 807[03:32:46] <austeregrim> for the most part
• 808[03:33:20] <jaggzt> it'd still need py35
• 809[03:33:52] <jaggzt> well, I'm "installing" to build dir in my blender development folder in my own user account
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• 813[03:35:25] <austeregrim> my first suggestion, if you're that leery about installing... is partion your hard drive real quick (if you have the space)... install a new debian, with the testing software you need.
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• 815[03:35:48] <jaggzt> it looks like it's exclusively in the destination prefix, by the way
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• 822[03:37:40] <austeregrim> but maybe a blender dev channel would be better off for this
• 823[03:38:06] <austeregrim> also I'm no good with compiling and etc.
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• 868[04:05:30] <jaggzt> yeah I'm there already (for years)
• 869[04:05:46] <jaggzt> python does a nice job confining itself to the given --prefix
• 870[04:06:17] <jaggzt> and blender's cmake configuration finds it there automatically
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• 970[04:51:55] <themill> jaggzt: those instructions used to also tell you to do some other things that were horrid. I worked with the blender developers yesterday to fix tem
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• 972[04:52:14] <jaggzt> themill, ohh.. nice :)
• 973[04:52:17] <jaggzt> themill, thanks :)
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• 992[05:06:28] <mms_> hi on debian seems on dist-upgrade to jessie I am facing X related problem.
• 993[05:06:32] <mms_> my vga graphics card from lspci shows Intel Corporation Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
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• 995[05:06:43] <mms_> here id /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old - jessie blank screen - replaced-url
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• 1002[05:11:33] <jmcnaught> mms_: the first log from jessie seems kinda short
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• 1004[05:13:35] <mms_> jmcnaught: well I think thats all I had but let me check again
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• 1006[05:13:50] <mms_> I did couple of times after that not sure if I have broken one
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• 1008[05:14:39] <jmcnaught> mms_: Xorg.0.log is always the most recent one
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• 1023[05:20:55] <mms_> jmcnaught: but will it be what is wheezy boot ?
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• 1027[05:21:17] <mms_> jmcnaught: I have wheezy booting fine and issue is with jessie boot
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• 1029[05:21:33] <mms_> so I provided what I thought are two los for them
• 1030[05:21:38] <mms_> s/los/logs
• 1031[05:21:59] <mms_> jmcnaught: can you tell me if there is some diagnostic that I can do to get you correct logs
• 1032[05:23:27] <mms_> let me provide all logs that I have may then you can figure out which one is relevant ?
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• 1034[05:24:06] <mms_> jmcnaught: ?
• 1035[05:24:19] <jmcnaught> mms_: can you just try jessie again and then provide the new Xorg.0.log ?
• 1036[05:24:35] <mms_> well but I am unable to login into jessie
• 1037[05:25:07] <mms_> after failed boot I will boot into wheezy again and then should it be in which file ?
• 1038[05:25:13] <mms_> or shall give you lastest two files ?
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• 1040[05:25:25] <mms_> so one will be jessie and one will be wheezy
• 1041[05:25:31] <mms_> that is what I actually provided you earlier
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• 1044[05:26:43] <mms_> you still would prefer reboot ?
• 1045[05:27:12] <mms_> ctrl+alt+F1,2..9 they also did not work in jessie boot
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• 1050[05:27:55] <mms_> apparently wheezy build is also using some updated UI I can see after dist-upgrade and using old grub boot
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• 1055[05:29:17] <jmcnaught> mms_: use "ls -l" on the files to provide the correct one based on the time. if you can't remember, boot jessie now and note the time, provide the paste in wheezy when you come back (those are two separate partitions right?)
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• 1057[05:29:36] <mms_> no same partitions
• 1058[05:29:46] <mms_> based on ls -l I provided files earlier
• 1059[05:29:53] <mms_> let me repeat that aain
• 1060[05:29:55] <mms_> again
• 1061[05:29:59] <mms_> I will clear the Xorg files
• 1062[05:30:00] <jmcnaught> mms_: how do you have both jessie and wheezy installed on the same partition?
• 1063[05:30:02] <mms_> log file I mean
• 1064[05:30:06] <mms_> then there should be just two
• 1065[05:30:07] <mms_> :-)
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• 1067[05:30:21] <mms_> jmcnaught: I did dist-upgrade
• 1068[05:30:36] <mms_> I do not know about if they need to be on different partition
• 1069[05:30:46] <mms_> old grub entry works which was wheezy
• 1070[05:30:51] <mms_> new grub entry does not work
• 1071[05:31:11] <mms_> thats how I refer to them as wheezy and jessie ? any thing wrong ?
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• 1074[05:32:44] <mms_> jmcnaught: any doubts ?
• 1075[05:33:19] <mms_> should I go ahead and do as discussed ? clear xorg log file and boot into jessie and then wheezy.
• 1076[05:33:35] <mms_> what ever files then in logs will share
• 1077[05:33:39] <jmcnaught> mms_: hold on a sec
• 1078[05:33:42] <mms_> ok
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• 1081[05:33:59] <jmcnaught> mms_: or do you have a different computer you can use for IRC?
• 1082[05:34:14] <mms_> this netbook after dist-upgrade is making some tweet sound when you type here in chat. how to disable that sound ?
• 1083[05:34:21] <mms_> I can use
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• 1086[05:34:32] <mms_> I have one more laptop
• 1087[05:34:39] <mms_> windows one
• 1088[05:34:41] <jmcnaught> mms_: if you did dist-upgrade, you upgraded the OS from wheezy to jessie (if done correctly). the grub boot option is probably just the old kernel from wheezy
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• 1090[05:35:07] <mms_> jmcnaught: it shows new line items after upgrade I guess
• 1091[05:36:49] <jmcnaught> mms_: well having a more complete /var/log/Xorg.0.log while using the new kernel would be helpful. it might be more convenient if you're on IRC with a different device, but also more difficult to share pastes
• 1092[05:37:22] <jmcnaught> mms_: i suspect that you were using proprietary video drivers that did not get compiled properly for the new kernel.
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• 1117[05:53:18] <mms_> jmcnaught: got disc
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• 1119[05:54:48] <jmcnaught> mms_: welcome back, i don't know what that means
• 1120[05:55:11] <mms_> jmcnaught: I meant I got disconnected
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• 1122[05:55:15] <mms_> :-)
• 1123[05:56:40] <mms_> jmcnaught: tell me any thoughts ?
• 1124[05:57:14] <jmcnaught> mms_: i suspect that you were using proprietary video drivers that did not get compiled properly for the new kernel.
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• 1126[05:57:57] <mms_> I also thought that but did not know how to pass that to grub boot command line
• 1127[05:58:14] <mms_> if you see old paste of mine I also provided vga line
• 1128[05:58:19] <mms_> from lspci
• 1129[05:58:48] <mms_> you need lshw for display ?
• 1130[05:59:16] <jmcnaught> mms_: oh wait you're using intel gpu so you wouldn't have proprietary drivers. any progress on getting a more complete Xorg.0.log from the new kernel?
• 1131[05:59:35] <mms_> no I have not rebooted you told to wait.
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• 1133[06:00:08] <mms_> tell me how to disabled this tweet when you direct message to me
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• 1135[06:00:31] <mms_> ok I did miessage notification off
• 1136[06:00:40] <mms_> hope it will avoid this loud tweet
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• 1138[06:01:15] <jmcnaught> mms_: i don't know what IRC client you're using, but it probably has preferences you could look at
• 1139[06:01:22] <mms_> no it did not stop tweet
• 1140[06:01:36] <mms_> its from iceweasel chatzilla
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• 1142[06:01:44] <tr0n> use irssi
• 1143[06:02:11] <jmcnaught> mms_: i use irssi. if you like guis there are lots of options. i think hexchat is popular
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• 1146[06:03:34] <Sarckz> I use hexchat, it is p good
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• 1148[06:05:34] <jhutchins> irssi in screen over ssh
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• 1150[06:06:52] <mms_> do they work from within iceweasel like chatzilla ?
• 1151[06:07:05] <tr0n> no, command line
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• 1153[06:07:32] <mms_> ok thats another things for me to learn for now let me get the X issue
• 1154[06:07:45] <mms_> jmcnaught: ?
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• 1158[06:09:06] <jmcnaught> mms_: we'd still need to see a complete /var/log/Xorg.0.log from when it fails to start. Reboot, note the time, check "ls -l /var/log/Xorg*" to find the correct log
• 1159[06:09:18] <mms_> ok
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• 1175[06:17:51] <mms_> jmcnaught: well see only one Xorg fie
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• 1177[06:18:13] <mms_> jmcnaught: apparently hung boot for 3.10 did not generate file ?
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• 1180[06:18:55] <jmcnaught> mms_: maybe it doesn't get far enough in the boot to start X? Is it a 3.10 kernel?
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• 1188[06:21:00] <bitch_ass> Hi
• 1189[06:21:11] <bitch_ass> Is it just me or Liferea isn't working anymore
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• 1192[06:21:30] <bitch_ass> I mean, Liferea does not show up when called via gui
• 1193[06:21:37] <mms_> jmcnaught: yes I would guess its 3.10
• 1194[06:21:37] <mms_> old one is 3.2
• 1195[06:21:38] <bitch_ass> Have to call it from terminal?
• 1196[06:21:40] <bitch_ass> :-/
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• 1198[06:22:12] <bitch_ass> For whatever it's worth, I'm running 1.10.12
• 1199[06:22:37] <markybob> mms_ how? jessie has 3.16
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• 1201[06:23:00] <mms_> markybob: I think its 3.16.10 ?
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• 1203[06:23:20] <markybob> so not 3.10. and we still can't get a log.
• 1204[06:23:22] <mms_> should I check some grub file to give you exact details
• 1205[06:23:35] <mms_> markybob: please tell what file to check so I can tell you exactly
• 1206[06:24:03] <jmcnaught> mms_: can you do the steps to enable persistent logging in /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian ? then you'll be able to query logs for the previous boot "journalctl -b -1"
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• 1208[06:24:31] <mms_> ok let me read
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• 1213[06:26:44] <mms_> jmcnaught: setfacl command says operation not supported
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• 1216[06:28:00] <jmcnaught> mms_: what kind of filesystem is it?
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• 1218[06:29:43] <mms_> jmcnaught: ext3
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• 1222[06:31:08] <jmcnaught> mms_: okay, well you should still be able to read the journal as root if the setfacl command failed. it was trying to allow members of the "adm" group access
• 1223[06:31:23] <mms_> ok so now do what ?
• 1224[06:31:28] <mms_> shall reboot ?
• 1225[06:31:41] <mms_> and go into failure boot and then come back in here
• 1226[06:31:46] <jmcnaught> mms_: yeah
• 1227[06:32:14] <mms_> ok trying
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• 1230[06:32:58] <jmcnaught> i guess maybe i should have gotten mms_ to check that journald was available before rebooting. rebooting sucks
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• 1235[06:36:48] <anes> dear Friends , I I need some advise regarding lintian please
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• 1249[06:40:23] <mms_> markybob: its 3.16.0.4-686-pae
• 1250[06:40:45] <mms_> jmcnaught: I am rebooted and now checking journalctl -b -1 output
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• 1253[06:42:41] <jmcnaught> mms_: you can narrow it down and put the contents in a file with "journalctl --boot=-1 --unit=gdm > journalctl.txt " (or replace gdm with the xdm that you use)
• 1254[06:43:40] <jmcnaught> mms_: actually this is probably simpler: journalctl --boot=-1 /usr/bin/Xorg
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• 1264[06:47:06] <mms_> jmcnaught: I will send journalctl -b -1 > out1.txt and also journalctl -b -1 /usr/bin/Xorg > out2.txt ?
• 1265[06:47:31] <mms_> in first command I see some red lines like also related to wifi
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• 1268[06:47:42] <mms_> so both might be helpful ?
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• 1270[06:47:45] <jmcnaught> !pastebinit
• 1271[06:47:45] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
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• 1273[06:47:57] <mms_> ya I know pastebinit
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• 1278[06:48:23] <mms_> then I will do pastebinit i out1.txt
• 1279[06:48:27] <mms_> and upload it
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• 1281[06:48:28] <mms_> ya ?
• 1282[06:48:51] <jmcnaught> mms_: okay. the second one is closer to Xorg.0.log, the first one is everything
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• 1289[06:49:34] <mms_> jmcnaught: I tried second one it shows nothing
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• 1291[06:49:52] <jmcnaught> mms_: okay
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• 1294[06:50:05] <mms_> jmcnaught: so let me send just out1.txt
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• 1296[06:50:29] <jmcnaught> mms_: don't let me stop you :P
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• 1300[06:50:33] <mms_> I see quite few red lines in out1.txt so not sure if you will be able to see them in pastebi
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• 1303[06:50:40] <mms_> is there was format I need to use ?
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• 1307[06:51:13] <mms_> jmcnaught: sure you giving me needed push !
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• 1309[06:51:33] <mms_> jmcnaught: any format for pastebinit for this file output ?
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• 1315[06:52:10] <mms_> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 1316[06:52:33] <bitch_ass> I don't seem to have an option to choose what happens what laptop lid is closed.
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• 1322[06:54:32] <jmcnaught> mms_: heh did you disable line numbers? "journalctl | pastebinit" doesn't do that for me
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• 1325[06:57:24] <mms_> jmcnaught: I did journalctal -b -1 > out1.txt and then I did pastebinit -i out1.txt
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• 1327[06:57:57] <mms_> you suggest I just do journalctl | pastebinit ?
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• 1329[06:58:05] <jmcnaught> mms_: the line that says "drm:i9xx_set_fifo_underrun_reporting" and onwards looks interesting
• 1330[06:58:32] <jmcnaught> mms_: yes with a pipe you can do it in one step and not have to create a file
• 1331[06:58:35] <mms_> it that related to display i915 ?
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• 1333[06:58:50] <mms_> let me send that output then
• 1334[06:59:00] <mms_> it will be easier to refer
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• 1337[07:00:28] <mms_> jmcnaught: journalctl | pastebinit did not provide proper link
• 1338[07:00:59] <jmcnaught> mms_: this is the kernel part of the video driver
• 1339[07:01:26] <mms_> ok
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• 1341[07:02:04] <mms_> replaced-url
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• 1343[07:02:41] <mms_> I did journatctl -b -1 | pastebinit
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• 1345[07:02:51] <mms_> seems its similar w/o line no.
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• 1347[07:03:18] <jmcnaught> mms_: oh well, still no line numbers. you don't have to use pastebinit if you want line numbers, but that section i pointed out is what you need to research
• 1348[07:03:24] <ZitZ> is libc6 patched in stretch? the version is still 2.21-9
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• 1354[07:05:00] <mms_> ok let me check
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• 1368[07:07:42] <mms_> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 1369[07:07:48] <mms_> found this and reading
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• 1373[07:09:02] <jmcnaught> mms_: what does it look like when you start with the new kernel? does X display anything at all? do you get a virtual console, login prompt, anything?
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• 1379[07:10:54] <jmcnaught> mms_: i don't see anything about shutting down in your paste. how are you rebooting?
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• 1381[07:11:55] <mms_> jmcnaught: nothing of X I see some console lines I guess then its all blank and cannot login to virtual console tried CTRL+ALT+F1...12 and also ctrl+alt+BACKSPACE thinking if it does some thing...I type reboot....and at times I did from menu
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• 1383[07:12:21] <jmcnaught> mms_: the people in that bug seemed to have working systems, just concern about a scary warning in their logs, so it could be a red herring
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• 1385[07:12:47] <mms_> jmcnaught: when I reboot it does say some error like as if its sudden shutdown and on boot in X it does some kernel bug diagnostic being send
• 1386[07:12:55] <ZitZ> nevermind, they fixed it super fast that there's been a whole nother release since the patch
• 1387[07:13:01] <mms_> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 1388[07:13:14] <mms_> jmcnaught: not sure but its reopned
• 1389[07:13:48] <mms_> my machine is hp mini 1030 NR netbook
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• 1391[07:14:55] <jmcnaught> mms_: mageia is a different distro. i meant how do you reboot the frozen system? are you yanking the power?
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• 1394[07:15:13] <mms_> jmcnaught: yes hard reboot...hold power key for 10 sec
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• 1396[07:15:31] <jmcnaught> mms_: i don't understand why your journalctl paste doesn't have anything after starting portmap.
• 1397[07:15:39] <mms_> jmcnaught: and then its will be power off and then start again with power key
• 1398[07:16:32] <mms_> jmcnaught: well I do not know either :-(
• 1399[07:17:12] <mms_> jmcnaught: is it because of -b -1 ?
• 1400[07:17:37] <jmcnaught> mms_: how long do you wait? if you run "journalctl -b -1" and go to the very end, are there more lines after the last line in the paste?
• 1401[07:18:11] <mms_> jmcnaught: it returns if I redirect to file else its interactive...its immediate...does not take long
• 1402[07:18:28] <jmcnaught> mms_: --boot=-1 "or -b -1 for short" tells journalctl which boot you'd like to look at. "--boot=0" is for the current boot
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• 1404[07:18:50] <mms_> jmcnaught: ok thanks
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• 1409[07:19:24] <mms_> jmcnaught: let me rerun without redirect and see what the end line is
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• 1413[07:19:54] <mms_> jmcnaught: endline is same portmap related
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• 1416[07:20:43] <mms_> jmcnaught: my wifi indicator is reddish in hung boot so I get feeling its due to wifi ? when wifi connects it becomes blue instead...
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• 1424[07:24:24] <jmcnaught> mms_: can't tell you the line number, but search replaced-url
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• 1426[07:24:49] <jmcnaught> mms_: can you paste "apt-cache policy firmware-b43-installer" ?
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• 1428[07:24:59] <mms_> ok
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• 1431[07:25:29] <mms_> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 1432[07:26:27] <jmcnaught> mms_: hmmm.. that might not be the one you need. look at replaced-url
• 1433[07:26:29] <darxmurf> hi all
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• 1436[07:27:00] <jmcnaught> mms_: it looks like you have firmwares for the wifi, but maybe they're older ones that you need to update for the jessie kernel
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• 1438[07:27:20] <darxmurf> mms_: honestly I did fight a lot with those Broadcom sh*t wifi cards...
• 1439[07:27:30] <darxmurf> you better change it for an intel
• 1440[07:27:51] <mms_> jmcnaught: so now what ? I think I used sky2 wifi driver
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• 1442[07:28:05] <darxmurf> if you can manage to install a driver, you will probably have random disconnect
• 1443[07:28:12] <jmcnaught> mms_: i don't know what that is, was it in Debian?
• 1444[07:28:26] <darxmurf> impossible to join some networks for unknown obscures reasons
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• 1446[07:29:07] <mms_> jmcnaught: I do not know I read in those logs that sky2 is there and I think in past some one had asked to choose that or intall that I do not recollect
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• 1448[07:29:28] <darxmurf> broadcom are good for ETH server interfaces but definitely forget wireless :X
• 1449[07:29:37] <mms_> darxmurf: you right I get those wifi disconnect intermittently and I have to turn off wifi and then turnon and it will work
• 1450[07:29:52] <darxmurf> can you change your wifi module ?
• 1451[07:29:58] <mms_> darxmurf: I think I also do not get good spped
• 1452[07:30:08] <darxmurf> they are bad for everything
• 1453[07:30:11] <darxmurf> even under windows
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• 1455[07:30:34] <mms_> darxmurf: if you tell I can try I do know much...I should be able to get to working state / current state on trying things out..
• 1456[07:30:43] <darxmurf> seriously, for less than 40$ you will change it for an intel one
• 1457[07:30:49] <mms_> s/do know/do not know/
• 1458[07:30:50] <darxmurf> no more problem
• 1459[07:31:08] <mms_> darxmurf: you mean I should buy new external wifi adapter ?
• 1460[07:31:13] <darxmurf> non
• 1461[07:31:14] <jmcnaught> mms_: sky2 is your ethernet module. b43 is your broadcom wireless
• 1462[07:31:22] <darxmurf> no
• 1463[07:31:27] <darxmurf> is it a laptop ?
• 1464[07:31:32] <mms_> jmcnaught: ok got it its netbook
• 1465[07:31:42] <darxmurf> which model ?
• 1466[07:31:49] <mms_> jmcnaught: you right then in past sky2 must be for eth
• 1467[07:32:03] <mms_> darxmurf: HP mini 1030 NR
• 1468[07:32:24] <mms_> there was some line related to 5G in logs
• 1469[07:32:28] <darxmurf> ha ! I had my issues with an HP mini too :D
• 1470[07:32:51] <darxmurf> I traveled one year with it, and I tried during one year to solve this issue...
• 1471[07:32:59] <darxmurf> to finally change the adapter :D
• 1472[07:33:20] <mms_> line 664
• 1473[07:33:49] <mms_> darxmurf: some how its workable in old kernel so I better make it work with new one too
• 1474[07:34:12] <mms_> jmcnaught: there is warning like 5 GHz
• 1475[07:34:26] <darxmurf> as you want :)
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• 1477[07:35:02] <darxmurf> if your laptop is out of waranty, just open it, replace the wifi module with an intel one and enjoy
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• 1479[07:35:17] <darxmurf> you just need to buy a half size module
• 1480[07:35:29] <mms_> darxmurf: its out of warranty but I do not know well how to replace parts like wifi
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• 1482[07:35:51] <mms_> darxmurf: if you know on ebay what to buy suggest please
• 1483[07:36:04] <darxmurf> I'll check
• 1484[07:36:14] <jmcnaught> mms_: Did you look at replaced-url
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• 1486[07:36:29] <darxmurf> have a look on youtube you can find some videos of guys opening this laptop
• 1487[07:36:40] <darxmurf> you need some tools and a bit of time
• 1488[07:36:48] <mms_> jmcnaught: I do not know where it came from. I did not look at that wifi recently and do not recollect either.
• 1489[07:37:53] <mms_> jmcnaught: must be at time I would have installed it but I am not sure
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• 1492[07:38:41] <mms_> jmcnaught: can we upgrade it and keep the old one so we can revert ?
• 1493[07:38:51] <mms_> jmcnaught: is that you thinking can fix ?
• 1494[07:39:33] <jmcnaught> mms_: it could be a problem, or the firmware-b43-installer package might just download the exact same files, i don't know
• 1495[07:39:48] <jmcnaught> mms_: what does "locate ucode15.fw" say?
• 1496[07:40:25] <mms_> jmcnaught: /lib/firmware/b43/ucode15.fw
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• 1498[07:40:42] <darxmurf> mms_: you need something like this replaced-url
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• 1503[07:41:51] <darxmurf> I had a "business hp mini" a this time and had to take this 5150 card due to BIOS restrictions
• 1504[07:42:02] <darxmurf> on your side I don't think they check anything on boot
• 1505[07:42:07] <jmcnaught> mms_: if you want you can copy the files in /lib/firmware/b43/ somewhere safe, then verify that your system has everything the wiki page recommends installed and up to date
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• 1507[07:42:30] <darxmurf> you can try with a 9$ card
• 1508[07:43:28] <mms_> darxmurf: will they work with HP mini 1030NR I have
• 1509[07:43:39] <mms_> I see from china for that
• 1510[07:43:53] <mms_> ok
• 1511[07:43:58] <mms_> jmcnaught: ok
• 1512[07:43:58] <darxmurf> replaced-url
• 1513[07:44:17] <darxmurf> in the worst case you will waste 9$ :D
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• 1516[07:44:26] <darxmurf> but important, half size !
• 1517[07:44:51] <jonbryan> anyone running debian on the c720 chromebook?
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• 1520[07:45:11] <darxmurf> Broadcom sucks for wireless, try to avoid it next time you buy a computer :D
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• 1522[07:45:32] <darxmurf> I tried all different kernels, drivers, tuning and all
• 1523[07:45:38] <darxmurf> tried also under windows
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• 1525[07:46:15] <choice> Hello! On my Debian 7 laptop, chrome says it does not get updated anymore because only Debian 8 is supported.
• 1526[07:46:20] <choice> How would you guys go about it?
• 1527[07:46:34] <choice> Is there an easy command to go from Debian 7 to Debian 8?
• 1528[07:46:43] <mms_> jmcnaught: not clear on what exact driver I need to install
• 1529[07:47:05] <mms_> jmcnaught: I see quite few there
• 1530[07:47:18] <mms_> darxmurf: I see replaced-url
• 1531[07:47:43] <jmcnaught> choice: check the release notes, there is a section on upgrading from wheezy to jessie. it's pretty simple, and most of it is done by a couple of apt-get commands
• 1532[07:48:23] <mms_> jmcnaught: release in /usr/share/doc ?
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• 1534[07:48:43] <choice> jmcnaught: sounds complicated. if its not just something like "apt-get install dist-upgrade" or so then maybe i just install a new Debian 8 copy from scratch?
• 1535[07:49:08] <jmcnaught> choice: it's much easier to upgrade than to reinstall from scratch
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• 1538[07:49:36] <choice> jmcnaught: well, from scratch means i download the iso, put it on the stick, reboot and hit enter a couple of times i guess.
• 1539[07:49:37] <mms_> jmcnaught: where are release notes ?
• 1540[07:49:48] <jmcnaught> choice: and it's not that complicated, for most people it is basically "apt-get dist-upgrade" (after a regular upgrade first).
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• 1543[07:50:07] <choice> jmcnaught: ok, let my try "apt-get dist-upgrade"...
• 1544[07:50:13] <jmcnaught> choice: but if you do stuff like third party repos, you'd want to check the instructions first to make sure you do it properly
• 1545[07:50:35] <mms_> replaced-url
• 1546[07:50:38] <jmcnaught> choice: or maybe it breaks because of something you didn't read the warning for, and then you have to fix it
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• 1548[07:51:11] <choice> jmcnaught: maybe. i will do this now: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade
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• 1550[07:51:49] <jmcnaught> choice: good luck.
• 1551[07:51:55] <choice> jmcnaught: thanks!
• 1552[07:52:05] <awal1> I have a lot of songs and I would like rename them all at once. song111 » song1, song222 » song2, song333 » song3, song444 » song4, song555 » song5 .... Any gui/cli application which can do that?
• 1553[07:52:13] <awal1> preferably cli
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• 1557[07:53:20] <jmcnaught> awal1: rename
• 1558[07:53:41] <mkb> you could write it in shell in 30 seconds if you know how
• 1559[07:53:52] <mkb> and if you don't and yet prefer cli, you would do well to learn shell sometime
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• 1561[07:55:23] <choice> jmcnaught: apt-get dist-upgrade did not do much. it just updated ice-dove and two packages.
• 1562[07:55:24] <mms_> jmcnaught: ok got confused about release notes message you meant for choice and I thought for me
• 1563[07:56:00] <jmcnaught> choice: ask the bot about wheezy->jessie, it says how in the topic
• 1564[07:56:11] <jmcnaught> choice: or follow the instructions in the release notes
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• 1567[07:57:05] <choice> hmm...
• 1568[07:57:09] <choice> so this is how i understand it:
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• 1571[07:57:13] <choice> 1) vim /etc/apt/sources.list
• 1572[07:57:20] <awal1> jmcnaught, oh, excuse my mistake, I meant edit audio medatata tags , not just renaming
• 1573[07:57:25] <choice> 2) change all occurances of "jessy" to weezy
• 1574[07:57:32] <choice> 3) apt-get dist-upgrade
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• 1576[07:57:35] <choice> is that right?
• 1577[07:57:56] <awal1> something like exfalso, easytag a
• 1578[07:58:08] <jmcnaught> awal1: oh i think there are tools for that too, search for them in apt
• 1579[07:58:24] <choice> meanwhile i am so 100% sure this will fail and i will end up installing from scratch anyhow...
• 1580[07:58:31] <jmcnaught> choice: no, you're missing some steps and the distros are wrong
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• 1582[07:58:45] <choice> jmcnaught: ok, then fuck it. going to install from scratch.
• 1583[07:58:51] <awal1> jmcnaught, did that yet and tried a lot of them but they all edit and re-tag songs one by one
• 1584[07:58:58] <jmcnaught> choice: Debian upgrades to major releases really well, the release notes aren't even that long
• 1585[07:59:23] <choice> how do you get a gnome 2 like interface when installing debian 8?
• 1586[07:59:29] <jmcnaught> choice: it will take you a few minutes to get through them and check a few things to make sure the upgrade will go well
• 1587[07:59:36] <choice> i remember it was quite a fight after i installed debian 7.
• 1588[08:00:00] <jmcnaught> choice: then why do you want to go through the hassle of setting everything up from scratch again?
• 1589[08:00:18] <choice> jmcnaught: because i there seems to be no easy way to update.
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• 1591[08:00:40] <jmcnaught> choice: if there's any part of those instructions that you don't get, ask about it in here
• 1592[08:00:56] <awal1> chice, gnome have 'gnome-shell' mode and 'classic mode'. classic mode is gtk3 too as the shell but with gnome2 interface look
• 1593[08:01:00] <choice> jmcnaught: if one has to read this: replaced-url
• 1594[08:01:03] <awal1> choice, ^
• 1595[08:01:10] <choice> jmcnaught: then its surely not an easy thing
• 1596[08:01:17] <mkb> choice, you know you're supposed to read the release notes before installing period right?
• 1597[08:01:34] <choice> mkb: you mean this trillion page thing? replaced-url
• 1598[08:01:39] <jmcnaught> choice: there is an easy way to upgrade. read the topic for how to message the bot about it.
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• 1600[08:02:26] <mkb> I'll admit to not reading it too, but you are _supposed_ to read the documentation
• 1601[08:02:32] <choice> jmcnaught: the bot links to this: replaced-url
• 1602[08:02:49] <choice> jmcnaught: thats laughable. no regular user ever has read this and none ever will.
• 1603[08:03:00] <infinity3> i've read about 10 different ways to upgrade
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• 1605[08:03:43] <choice> Even the headlines are hillarious. "Inform users in advance", "Prepare for downtime on services", "Debug shell during boot using initrd"...
• 1606[08:03:54] <infinity3> heh.
• 1607[08:03:59] <jmcnaught> choice: *shrug* the bot also told you the easy way. and i don't see how reinstalling from scratch every time is easier or quicker than skimming some release notes and knowing what to look out for in a major OS upgrade
• 1608[08:04:20] <infinity3> just rup apt-get dist-upgrade. works 99% of the time. that 1% is enough
• 1609[08:04:32] <choice> infinity3: i just did that. nothing happened.
• 1610[08:04:41] <infinity3> did you run apt-get update first
• 1611[08:04:52] <choice> infinity3: yes
• 1612[08:04:55] <infinity3> then you're doing it wrong :)
• 1613[08:04:57] <mkb> did you edit sources.list first?
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• 1615[08:05:05] <choice> mkb: no
• 1616[08:05:18] <choice> mkb: i wanted to. but then jmcnaught told me im a loser and dont get it.
• 1617[08:05:32] <infinity3> choice: you have to update sources.list first
• 1618[08:05:43] <infinity3> apt needs a place to know about the packages
• 1619[08:05:54] <jmcnaught> choice: i'm sorry you feel that way. next time read the instructions first.
• 1620[08:06:03] <choice> infinity3: ok, so i will change all occurances of "weezy" to "jessy" then apt-update && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
• 1621[08:06:11] <infinity3> ya
• 1622[08:06:21] <infinity3> dont' forget spelling
• 1623[08:06:40] <choice> lets see....
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• 1625[08:07:40] <infinity3> i'm guessing that long upgrading guide says to search for dpkg-dist and dpkg-old and fix them
• 1626[08:07:48] <infinity3> after you're doing upgrading.
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• 1628[08:08:02] <choice> running the update now
• 1629[08:08:16] <choice> my feeling says: chances this will go wrong are 99%
• 1630[08:08:20] <infinity3> but if you're super noob, you probably won't know the difference.
• 1631[08:09:02] <infinity3> probably not... i can only thinnk of a few times it went sideways and it wasn't horible to recover.
• 1632[08:09:47] <infinity3> but hey, if it doesn't work, at least i can say ...you should of RTFM'ed .
• 1633[08:09:48] <infinity3> hah
• 1634[08:09:51] <choice> it will probably just blow up and you will tell me that its because during the preparation of users for shell debug using systemd i was not preparing a safe environment for initrd or something.
• 1635[08:10:15] <choice> and that its clearly stated on line 734844 of that trillion page document.
• 1636[08:10:32] <infinity3> no ...section XIV.3.a.1
• 1637[08:10:50] <infinity3> where you agree to give your first born to Ian
• 1638[08:11:47] <choice> it says there is an error regarding some source from dl.google.com
• 1639[08:11:54] <choice> but i cannot see that in the sources.list
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• 1641[08:11:56] <choice> what is it?
• 1642[08:12:05] <choice> probably something google chrome put somewhere.
• 1643[08:12:06] <dax> it's probably in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* somewhere
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• 1646[08:12:21] <choice> dax: should i find the line and nuke it?
• 1647[08:12:41] <dax> no idea, I've never used Chrome on Debian so I dunno how it's set up
• 1648[08:12:42] <infinity3> comment it out and fix it later.
• 1649[08:12:43] <choice> what will happen then? will chrome stay on the system without updates?
• 1650[08:13:05] <choice> i tried "apt-get purge chrome" but that seems to be the wrong name
• 1651[08:13:19] <choice> also tried google-chrome and chrome-browser.
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• 1653[08:13:33] <infinity3> look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for a file to comment a line out
• 1654[08:13:44] <choice> infinity3: wouldnt it be cleaner to uninstall it?
• 1655[08:13:44] <infinity3> then run update again and run again.
• 1656[08:13:51] <infinity3> it will uninstall if it needs to
• 1657[08:13:57] <choice> infinity3: but then i have to "fix later" something. i hate that.
• 1658[08:14:16] <mkb> it's google-chrome-stable if you want to uninstall it
• 1659[08:14:18] <infinity3> choice: when i run upgrades, i always have a cheat-sheet running of what needs fixing when i'm done.
• 1660[08:14:24] <choice> mkb: ah!
• 1661[08:14:39] <mkb> some forum google indexes says they don't build it for jessie anymore
• 1662[08:14:42] <infinity3> #1 on your list is check google chrome.
• 1663[08:14:57] <mkb> though I wonder why they couldn't put that on their own web site...
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• 1665[08:15:28] <choice> mkb: thats the whole reason im doing the dist-upgrade
• 1666[08:15:44] <infinity3> for chrome ?
• 1667[08:15:48] <choice> infinity3: yes
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• 1669[08:16:06] <infinity3> wtf? i guess. i don't have a linux GUI so i wouldn't know about that stuff
• 1670[08:16:10] <mkb> well according to replaced-url
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• 1672[08:16:32] <infinity3> chrome is snobby f-ing SOB program
• 1673[08:16:45] <mkb> I'd run a more portable web browser
• 1674[08:16:49] <infinity3> damn security natzi's ...starting to hate them
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• 1677[08:17:03] <choice> all other browsers i tried failed on some websites i use.
• 1678[08:17:12] <daica> hi people. if i set permission of a folder with chown or chmod, how do i set it back to the way it was before
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• 1681[08:17:31] <infinity3> daica: get the permissions of the file before you chown/chmod
• 1682[08:17:32] <r6ku> choice: tried chromium?
• 1683[08:17:35] <mkb> daica, do you know what it was before?
• 1684[08:17:43] <daica> yes
• 1685[08:17:48] <daica> i know
• 1686[08:17:49] <infinity3> daica: then set the permissions
• 1687[08:17:59] <daica> oh
• 1688[08:18:09] <choice> r6ku: yes, but the chromium on debian 7 is too old for my purposes. doesnt support ` syntax.
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• 1690[08:18:25] <daica> how do i get permission :)
• 1691[08:18:26] <choice> r6ku: will try if it works on debian 8.
• 1692[08:18:33] <infinity3> daica: the way you do it, is first you record them before you change the perms. once you change the perms, you'll know what to change them back to.
• 1693[08:18:38] <infinity3> ^^ I'm amazing i know
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• 1695[08:18:49] <mkb> I might regret asking, but what is the ` syntax?
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• 1697[08:19:06] <infinity3> mkb: you will.
• 1698[08:19:12] <choice> apt-get dist-upgrade is running...
• 1699[08:19:15] <infinity3> daica: sudo
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• 1702[08:19:42] <infinity3> daica: though if you ask choice, he'll tell you to run "apt-get dist-update"
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• 1704[08:19:56] <infinity3> so who knows. check the calendar for the command maybe
• 1705[08:20:03] <choice> infinity3: why would i?
• 1706[08:20:06] <daica> i got it
• 1707[08:20:07] <infinity3> or should i say tero cards.
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• 1709[08:20:10] <daica> thanks :)
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• 1711[08:20:21] <infinity3> choice: you're all about apt-get dist-upgrade.
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• 1713[08:20:33] <choice> infinity3: are you drunk?
• 1714[08:20:39] <infinity3> you'd dist-ugrade your mom if you could :)
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• 1716[08:20:51] <choice> infinity3: i take that as a yes...
• 1717[08:21:15] <infinity3> ask me another
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• 1719[08:21:51] <infinity3> the secret to all UNIX questions is: rm -rf /
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• 1722[08:22:04] <infinity3> no. don't
• 1723[08:22:07] <infinity3> STOP!
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• 1726[08:22:48] <infinity3> too late.
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• 1732[08:23:16] <slax0r> dude...that's not cool
• 1733[08:23:43] <infinity3> slax0r: the secret?
• 1734[08:23:45] <jmcnaught> infinity3: please don't do that even as a joke. people who don't know anything come here trusting the channel
• 1735[08:23:51] <slax0r> ignasio: yes
• 1736[08:23:59] <slax0r> because of what jmcnaught said
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• 1738[08:24:24] <infinity3> jmcnaught: it's not initiation ?
• 1739[08:24:57] <choice> jmcnaught: yes, we do. then we get told to read documents intended for billion dollar datacenters in the pre internet area and all trust is lost.
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• 1741[08:25:22] <jmcnaught> infinity3: no, it's not cool or funny in this context
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• 1746[08:26:19] <slax0r> choice: trust is not related with supporting laziness
• 1747[08:26:21] <jmcnaught> choice: i didn't say you had to do all the parts that you didn't think were relevant to you. i recommended checking to see if there was anything that might cause a problem
• 1748[08:26:28] <slax0r> the material is out there, we just point you to it
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• 1750[08:26:33] <slax0r> and _you_ do the work
• 1751[08:26:36] <r6ku> ^
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• 1753[08:26:40] <choice> jmcnaught: the first rule of user support is: users don't read.
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• 1756[08:27:03] <slax0r> this isn't user support, and specially not *paid* user support
• 1757[08:27:18] <slax0r> people who answer here, do so on their own free time, out of their own good will
• 1758[08:27:44] <choice> slax0r: i appreciate it. and thats why i try to help you guys understand humans.
• 1759[08:27:48] <jonbryan> lets keep it real, the only time I'll point someone to documentation is if I can't remember or don't know
• 1760[08:27:53] <jonbryan> if I know I'll tell you
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• 1771[08:31:38] <jmcnaught> or if there's a few more steps involved than a couple of quick commands. upgrading between releases in debian is easy, but it's not exactly trivial. also being prepared for potential problems is usually quicker/easier than fixing them mid-upgrade
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• 1773[08:32:00] <slax0r> choice: then let me help you understand how annoying people are, who expect everything to be served to them on a silver platter, _you_ get paid for _your_ work, do not expect me to do it for you
• 1774[08:32:19] <choice> slax0r: i do not expect anything.
• 1775[08:32:44] <jmcnaught> so personally, i don't like to mislead people that upgrading is as easy as !wheezy->jessie, because there could be issues and they are documented
• 1776[08:33:06] <choice> slax0r: you help me understand computers. i thought it would be fair if i in return help you understand humans.
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• 1778[08:33:39] <choice> and since i - as a human - was pointed to a document no human every has read and no human ever will read, i thought it might be helpful to bring that up.
• 1779[08:33:49] * themill suspects the metadiscussion is going around in circles
• 1780[08:33:51] <choice> didnt expect it to result in a fight or something.
• 1781[08:34:08] <Ozymandias117> Ooh, what document? Now I want to read it!
• 1782[08:34:09] <slax0r> so, we who read it, are not human? are we super-human?
• 1783[08:34:19] <slax0r> Ozymandias117: how to be a douche :P
• 1784[08:34:25] <mkb> I'll point out that I read (skimmed at least) the entire chapter on upgrading while you were complaining about it
• 1785[08:34:45] <themill> !mkb++
• 1786[08:35:16] <choice> slax0r: its fine to me if you consider yourself a super-human. some people might say "computer enthusiast". if they are diplomatic.
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• 1788[08:35:47] <slax0r> lost interess in this...work, later
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• 1792[08:36:11] <choice> you can't leave now. SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET!
• 1793[08:36:40] <slax0r> well then, someone else will have to correct them ;)
• 1794[08:38:12] <JyZyXEL> i just can not make NFS to work reliably on debian stable
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• 1796[08:38:25] <JyZyXEL> when you shut down a server, the client just explodes
• 1797[08:38:35] <JyZyXEL> there is no way around that that i can figure out
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• 1801[08:40:08] <JyZyXEL> perhaps sshfs is superior?
• 1802[08:40:22] <choice> JyZyXEL: what are you trying to achieve?
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• 1806[08:40:43] <JyZyXEL> robust reliable way to access a remote filesystem
• 1807[08:40:47] <choice> JyZyXEL: if you want to mount a drive on a remote machine, yes sshfs is super stable for this.
• 1808[08:41:26] <JyZyXEL> oh im glad to hear that
• 1809[08:41:28] <choice> sshfs <remote_ip>:/ /mnt/myfunkyremotemachine
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• 1811[08:41:32] <JyZyXEL> NFS has given me nothing but problems on debian
• 1812[08:41:33] <choice> ^ thats all you need
• 1813[08:41:47] <choice> sshfs <remote_ip>:/ /mnt/myfunkyremotemachine/
• 1814[08:41:56] <choice> ^ guess you also need the trailing slash at the end.
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• 1816[08:42:22] <JyZyXEL> thats only for temporary usage
• 1817[08:42:22] <choice> sometimes adding the "allow_other" parameter is useful:
• 1818[08:42:31] <choice> sshfs -o allow_other <remote_ip>:/ /mnt/myfunkyremotemachine/
• 1819[08:43:08] <JyZyXEL> for permanent solutions you would use it either via autofs or fstab
• 1820[08:43:27] <choice> probably. i never did that. i prefer scripts if i want to automate stuff.
• 1821[08:44:23] <choice> to use other means to automate things then scripts always seemed like a mistake to me.
• 1822[08:45:01] <JyZyXEL> that's already how we are doing things in debian
• 1823[08:45:15] <choice> you talked about fstab
• 1824[08:45:30] <choice> i never understood why it exists.
• 1825[08:45:39] <JyZyXEL> ...
• 1826[08:45:53] <choice> why not have all configuration of the machine as a set of scripts.
• 1827[08:45:59] <choice> seems more logical to me.
• 1828[08:46:09] <themill> choice: I think that's enough now, you're not really helping at all
• 1829[08:46:29] <choice> themill: i think different.
• 1830[08:46:30] <austin_laptop> is there anything special I need to do to get debian to boot on UEFI hardware? I've got the 8.3.0 amd64 netinst iso, which I put on a usb (using Fedora 23's disk image writer), but machine won't boot from that usb key
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• 1832[08:46:44] <austin_laptop> a burned dvd also failed
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• 1842[08:51:29] <austin_laptop> oops, it's the arm64 iso, that might be a problem :)
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• 1859[08:55:15] <awal1> austin_laptop, for uefi use amd64, it have full support since wheezy, or i386 too , since jessie. other archs have no support for uefi
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• 1865[08:56:38] <austin_laptop> awal1, this particular machine had issues when I tried it with wheezy (using amd64), while fedora 22 worked at the time. I see in the release notes that more fixes were added in Jessie. I'm downloading the testing amd64 iso now to retry (double checked it's amd64 not arm64 this time)
• 1866[08:57:23] <awal1> austin_laptop, secure boot disabled ?
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• 1869[08:59:04] <huwenfeng> Hi all, Is there anything/Filesystem/distributedFS that could just show a mount point/dir in the linux system, and whatever I put in that dir, the file is synced to other Node automatically? I just want to make the backup automatically.
• 1870[08:59:12] <huwenfeng> and I could see how many node to sync to , and how is the sync status/progress from cli or a simple web interface. Any clue about this kind of product? In Linux environment.
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• 1875[09:02:29] <austin_laptop> awal1, yes
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• 1877[09:03:31] <austin_laptop> I suspect the hardware is finicky, as tails works in UEFI as well on that hardware. Like I said, I haven't tried debian in a while there, so it's probably fixed now. The issue I was seeing was with the wrong arch
• 1878[09:03:39] <austin_laptop> new usb is formatting now, so should see soon
• 1879[09:03:40] <jmcnaught> austin_laptop: instead of using the fedora disk image writer, can you use "cp" ?
• 1880[09:04:30] <jmcnaught> austin_laptop: some of these image writers break debian isos which are specially prepared to work with "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" (where sdX is the real one)
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• 1882[09:05:18] <jmcnaught> austin_laptop: there's a chapter with more details in the install manual: replaced-url
• 1883[09:05:22] <austin_laptop> jmcnaught, I just retried with fedora 23 (and testing iso) which booted up :). Installing now
• 1884[09:05:39] <austin_laptop> very happy to have a working debian uefi
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• 1921[09:29:32] <zwarag> Any Idea why booting takes so long? DMESG Dump here: replaced-url
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• 1925[09:30:52] <somiaj> zwarag: you can edit /etc/default/grub, remove quiet from GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=, run update-grub and reboot, this way you can see all the processes that are loaded at boot. Sometimes gives a better idea what is taking so long
• 1926[09:30:58] <somiaj> I think systemd has a boot anaylize script too
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• 1928[09:31:21] <zwarag> Okey, I'll try that
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• 1930[09:31:43] <towo^work> systemd-analyze blame
• 1931[09:31:45] <somiaj> you can also check the systemd-analyze
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• 1936[09:33:28] <zwarag> Well, systemd-analyze blame shows a list where the longest entry is docker with 500ms
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• 1938[09:33:54] <zwarag> uhh, but without blame, I see that the "userspace" took over 3 minutes to load
• 1939[09:33:55] <choiceless> Ok, so apt-get dist-upgrade finished and now after rebooting I end up in a terminal. No more X. Nothing.
• 1940[09:34:07] <choiceless> Is this it? Wipe and install from scratch?
• 1941[09:34:25] <somiaj> choiceless: what did you dist-upgrade to from? What version of debian do you run
• 1942[09:34:34] <somiaj> choiceless: if it boots into a console, you should be able to recover/fix it
• 1943[09:34:38] <choiceless> somiaj: it was debian 7, now it is debian 8
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• 1945[09:34:58] <somiaj> choiceless: what graphics drivers were you using for x?
• 1946[09:35:51] <choiceless> somiaj: i have no idea
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• 1949[09:36:13] <somiaj> well if it boots into a termainl you are probabaly fine, just got to track down the issue and fix your xorg/display manager
• 1950[09:36:23] <choiceless> somiaj: ah yeah, easy :)
• 1951[09:37:23] <choiceless> so which button do i press?
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• 1953[09:37:52] <choiceless> which command do i type?
• 1954[09:37:58] <choiceless> which magic spell should i cast?
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• 1959[09:38:55] <somiaj> choiceless: start looking at /etc/X11/Xorg.0.conf, and see what errors you can find
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• 1961[09:39:38] <choiceless> there is no such file
• 1962[09:39:50] <towo^work> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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• 1964[09:40:27] <choiceless> towo^work: last line says "server terminated successfully. (0). Closing log file"
• 1965[09:40:42] <towo^work> paste the whole file on a pastebin
• 1966[09:40:53] <choiceless> towo^work: how?
• 1967[09:41:09] <towo^work> apt install pastebinit && pastebinit < /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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• 1969[09:41:47] <choiceless> my mother told me to not paste stuff i dont understand to the internet
• 1970[09:41:55] <choiceless> anything i should look for in that file?
• 1971[09:41:56] <somiaj> arg, its tired, yea /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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• 1974[09:42:39] <choiceless> somiaj: /etc/X11/ exists, but no xorg.conf
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• 1977[09:43:06] <towo^work> choiceless, what is your problem with paste that logfile
• 1978[09:43:07] <somiaj> choiceless: what about any flies in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
• 1979[09:43:19] <towo^work> choiceless, if you wnat to get help, do it
• 1980[09:43:21] <choiceless> towo^work: i dont know. maybe it contains unique identifiers or something.
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• 1982[09:43:53] <choiceless> somiaj: there is no xorg.conf.d/
• 1983[09:44:25] <somiaj> choiceless: what happens if you run 'startx' as your main user (don't run this as root)
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• 1985[09:45:28] <choiceless> somiaj: screen blinks. then it gets back to the terminal. prints a bunch of chinese backwards. last line is "xinit: server error"
• 1986[09:45:54] <choiceless> one funny line says "xinit: giving up"
• 1987[09:46:10] <somiaj> choiceless: okay, look at the Xorg.0.log file, unless I see some error messages I can't guess what of the many things the problem is
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• 1990[09:46:55] <choiceless> somiaj: should i look for the first error or for the last?
• 1991[09:47:23] <choiceless> funny, i have been using debian since 2002 and this is my first dist-upgrade.
• 1992[09:47:40] <choiceless> everybody always told me "naah, dist upgrades go smoothly" :)
• 1993[09:47:45] <somiaj> they are sometimes related, you will get far better help if you just paste your log file
• 1994[09:48:00] <somiaj> for the most part they do. I have a machine with sid on it that was installed in 2006
• 1995[09:48:03] <choiceless> somiaj: my mom does not allow me to paste stuff to the internet.
• 1996[09:48:16] <choiceless> unless i clearly understand what it is.
• 1997[09:48:34] <somiaj> choiceless: then you are on your own, we cannot help you much more with out seeing that log file
• 1998[09:48:43] <choiceless> ok
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• 2000[09:48:50] <choiceless> will install from scratch.
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• 2002[09:49:24] <somiaj> seeing errors really (in their full form) really lets us figure out what the problem is to give decent advise.
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• 2004[09:50:46] <choiceless> looks like the machine has no internet either
• 2005[09:51:50] <choiceless> "apt-get install pastebinit" spits out a huge wall of text
• 2006[09:52:12] <choiceless> "ping debian.org" says "unknown host debian"
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• 2008[09:52:42] <somiaj> choiceless: try ping 8.8.8.8
• 2009[09:52:42] <TomTomTo1> no ethernet connection handy?
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• 2016[09:54:00] <choiceless> somiaj: that does something strange... it hangs for a while and then spits out "From .... Destination Host Unreachable". But ... is not 8.8.8.8
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• 2018[09:54:08] <choiceless> TomTomTosch: you mean a cable?
• 2019[09:54:20] <TomTomTosch> choiceless, yes.
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• 2021[09:54:46] <choiceless> TomTomTosch: i dont think so. maybe somewhere on the attic. i dont know.
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• 2026[09:57:07] <choiceless> hmm.. that might also bite me in the ass when i try to install from scratch.
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• 2028[09:57:51] <choiceless> i remember getting internet connection was some kind of major drama when i installed debian 7.
• 2029[09:57:53] <somiaj> choiceless: What is your network card? wireless?
• 2030[09:58:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1596
• 2031[09:58:04] <somiaj> choiceless: just use the unoffical firmware installer
• 2032[09:58:06] <choiceless> somiaj: yes
• 2033[09:58:07] <somiaj> !firmware iamges
• 2034[09:58:16] <somiaj> !firmware images
• 2035[09:58:16] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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• 2039[09:59:11] <choiceless> somiaj: ok, bookmarked
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• 2041[09:59:39] <choiceless> somiaj: what means "unofficial"?
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• 2044[09:59:53] <somiaj> choiceless: it just means it contains soft