• 0[00:00:01] <GJdan> maybe I can kill the process, remove the snapshot then dpkg-reconfigure the linux/grub package that did this?
• 1[00:00:25] <vegenaise> Delf, replaced-url
• 2[00:00:53] <zykotick9> Delf: fyi, an easy way to get pastes without installing anything is to use replaced-url
• 3[00:01:31] <teraflops> You'll need to install netcat
• 4[00:01:48] <zykotick9> teraflops: pretty sure that's part of base (i could be wrong?!?!)
• 5[00:01:57] <vegenaise> musca, replaced-url
• 6[00:02:03] <teraflops> Hmm idk
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• 12[00:03:47] <Delf> zykotick9: Thank you
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• 15[00:04:24] <musca> vegenaise: yes,exactly. Do you see the "root root"? And theese directories are the mountpoints of your removable media?
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• 17[00:05:05] <Delf> vegenaise: Did you add line 12 in fstab yourself?
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• 24[00:06:19] <zykotick9> teraflops: looks like you _might_ be right, "aptitude why netcat" tells me it's cups/foomatic-db-engine that pulled in nc on my box
• 25[00:06:21] <vegenaise> musca, no, they're old mountpoints to an additional hd and permanent sd card. the issue with those were, upon reboot the os would assign the same hd/sd card an ammended address, and deluge would stop working due to the different drive path. hence my fstab changes
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• 28[00:07:09] <bmomjian> Can upgrading my SSL server key invalidate client SSH keys that were generated on the clients and stored in .ssh/authorized_keys?
• 29[00:07:14] <vegenaise> Delf, yes. that's one of the two lines i added. line 12 and 13 are what i changed.
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• 32[00:07:52] <bmomjian> because that's what seems to have just happened, which surprises me.
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• 39[00:08:40] <bmomjian> Where would I look in the logs for details on an SSH key rejection?
• 40[00:08:44] <Delf> vegenaise: Does it work?
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• 46[00:10:21] <Iridos> vegenaise, did the DE automounting stop after you added this to fstab or did you add it to fstab because the automounting stopped working
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• 48[00:10:42] <Iridos> bmomjian, on the server?
• 49[00:11:08] <vegenaise> Delf, well, yea. the fstab changes made it so the 2nd hd and sd card which i never remove always mount to the same folders in home. my issue relates to plugging usb and not automounting. then having to fdisk -l, and mount/umount, etc.
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• 51[00:11:57] <bmomjian> I generated the keys on different laptops but ssh'ing into the server now fails with "server key refused". The authorized_keys is on the server ,yes.
• 52[00:12:20] <vegenaise> Iridos, i don't recall, as i have ignored it for some months. i added it to fstab because my permanent drives were getting a new drive path every reboot. this caused many issues with torrenting and the like.
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• 55[00:13:33] <Iridos> vegenaise, which is the drive that is supposed to automount anyway
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• 58[00:13:41] <Delf> vegenaise: It's better to use uuid instead
• 59[00:14:58] <teraflops> Or labels
• 60[00:15:01] <axc1298> anyone know if kde's new project neon will benefit debian too, or just ubuntu?
• 61[00:15:08] <vegenaise> Iridos, well, i'd prefer all my usb ports to do it. i know one of them is /dev/sdd. i could find out the others.
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• 65[00:16:15] <vegenaise> Delf, that's what i was told on reddit when i asked for help setting up the fstab. but i was also told that uuid would be for drives that i remove, and so this approach shouldn't be an issue cause they're permanent?
• 66[00:16:37] <zykotick9> Delf: personally, i found labels easier to manage then UUIDs... but ymmv vegenaise
• 67[00:16:45] <Iridos> I meant... are all the ones we see in fstab permanent ones or does it already contain tries to fix this
• 68[00:17:02] <Iridos> oh well, nevermind... different approach
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• 70[00:18:15] <Delf> zykotick9: Yes, labels is good, and even if you connect the drives in different ports, it would make no difference.
• 71[00:18:35] <Iridos> it's time for me go home...
• 72[00:18:40] <zykotick9> Delf: both labels and UUIDs are constant, unlike /dev/sdX
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• 74[00:19:29] <Delf> zykotick9: Yes. But labels may not be as unique as UUIDs
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• 77[00:20:04] <zykotick9> Delf: well yes, if the user labels two partitions the same... expect issues ;)
• 78[00:20:12] <teraflops> Heh
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• 80[00:21:20] <Delf> vegenaise: lsblk | pastebinit
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• 83[00:21:59] <vegenaise> Delf, well it sounds like labels/uuid is what i want. would it be sufficient to put the same thing in fstab as i have on lines 12/13, except changing out dev/sdX for the uuid? to put it another way, leave those two entries, but copy them and ammend them with the uuid for the usb drives i intend to use?
• 84[00:22:06] * zykotick9 notes the debian installer lacks the ability to label a swap partition during install :(
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• 86[00:22:42] <bmomjian> So what would cause all of my /root/.ssh/authorized_keys to return "server key refused". They are all ssh-rsa keys.
• 87[00:23:04] <Delf> vegenaise: I don't know if that'll solve your problem but I would begin there.
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• 90[00:23:42] <vegenaise> Delf, replaced-url
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• 93[00:24:35] <Delf> vegenaise: You can use blkid to get the UUID's for the corresponding partitions
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• 98[00:25:45] <Iridos> vegenaise, as you said thunar, I guess this is xfce... to at least partly answer the original question... the mechanism the DE mounts usb disks is a bit complex and often not so very transparent. there are policikit and dbus things involved... one intermediate step is often the udisks command (there now is also udiskctl in udisks2) ... you could try mounting and umounting with udisk... if you get permission errors for that, that may be the cause that
• 99[00:25:45] <Iridos> your "normal" automount fails.
• 100[00:25:59] <Iridos> laters and gn
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• 102[00:26:43] <vegenaise> Iridos, thanks! i'll look into that
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• 104[00:27:39] <vegenaise> Delf, good to know. i'll give that a shot in fstab and see how it goes. thanks very much for your help :)
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• 109[00:28:10] <Delf> vegenaise: You should know, I joined this channel to get help, not give. I'm a noob myself! :P
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• 133[00:32:17] <vegenaise> Delf, lol. well at least you know how to type this character: "|". i see it often among terminal commands and it's proven difficult to enter when i'm typing in and no copypasting. one last bit of help with that?
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• 139[00:35:17] <icarus> hello all
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• 143[00:35:37] <Delf> vegenaise: One last bit of help with what?
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• 146[00:36:13] <icarus> hello all ***
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• 148[00:36:42] <vegenaise> delf, typing this character: "|"
• 149[00:36:43] <icarus> is there any other place that stock debian will report usb devices plugged in via scsi other than /var/log/messages in proc?
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• 151[00:36:56] <Delf> vegenaise: It depends on which layout you have on the keyboard
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• 154[00:37:14] <icarus> ive been trying to find a nice place in /proc to watch for attached devices so i can script some interaction but find/grep dont seem to turn up anything
• 155[00:37:34] <Delf> vegenaise: If you have us layout, it's shift and the button between backspace and enter
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• 158[00:38:02] <icarus> for example: ubuntu has a /proc/scsi/usb-storage location that reports devices
• 159[00:38:13] <vegenaise> Delf, yup. you're right. many thanks!
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• 168[00:45:43] <bmomjian> Fixed, found the message in /var/log/auth.log, found "bad ownership or modes for directory /root". Somehow my /root directory got group write permission. I was adjusting things and must have done it; works now. :-)
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• 179[00:49:50] <zykotick9> bmomjian: nice!
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• 190[00:52:36] <pablitosw> ok
• 191[00:52:36] <saul> i want to make a command run at boot, not by root but by a regular user
• 192[00:52:51] <saul> i understand there's some way to do is in crontab with @reboot but i cant find it in the man page
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• 197[00:54:17] <themill> saul: which manpage? (it's in crontab(5))
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• 201[00:55:15] <pablitosw> I am using postfix as an mta I fix the sasl and now I am stuck when I put web sites domain in my destination. it will give me tgat they can't find my user in the table
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• 204[00:55:42] <pablitosw> when I remove mydomain it gives me relay access denied
• 205[00:55:55] <pablitosw> any tips
• 206[00:55:58] <saul> themill: i found it on the web
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• 208[00:56:10] <saul> looks like "@reboot user command"
• 209[00:56:20] <saul> or if you are editing your own crontab with crontab -e, just @reboot command
• 210[00:56:25] <saul> gonna test itout crossing fingers
• 211[00:56:41] <saul> (it's a tunnel i need to run in order to access without moving a bunch of crap)
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• 244[01:14:03] <andril> hello
• 245[01:14:16] <musca> hallo andril
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• 248[01:15:50] <yareckon> hello, I am trying to set a gpg key as MY key on a new computer and am having no luck
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• 250[01:16:00] <yareckon> anyone know what they are doing?
• 251[01:16:15] <yareckon> I have exported, imported private and public
• 252[01:16:22] <yareckon> set trust of private key to ultimate
• 253[01:16:45] <yareckon> missing that magic incantation that will make it all work
• 254[01:17:11] <yareckon> seahorse uses the term "Personal" key in the interface
• 255[01:17:28] <yareckon> and I can't see the imported key when I set that filter
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• 257[01:19:13] <jessie> yareckon: So, if you have the private key added and have set the trust to ultimate then you should be able to use that key.
• 258[01:19:22] <yareckon> hmm
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• 260[01:19:32] <jessie> But you have to make sure that whatever user ID you're using is added to that key as well, i.e. the email that you're trying to send emails as.
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• 263[01:21:55] <yareckon> ok, if there is no other step on the gpg side, I may just be missing the link to seahorse / enigmail
• 264[01:22:05] <yareckon> which don't see the key as my personal one
• 265[01:22:22] <jessie> Is the email you have in your email client added to the private key?
• 266[01:22:24] <yareckon> will try direct file encryption / decryption ans see
• 267[01:22:37] <jessie> gpg --list-secret-keys
• 268[01:22:44] <jessie> See if your email is listed when you do that.
• 269[01:22:52] <yareckon> yeah it is
• 270[01:23:12] <yareckon> gimme a second to try to test on a text file
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• 272[01:24:06] <yareckon> ok, so the problem is not gpg
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• 284[01:29:51] <yareckon> ok, will wade through the wizards on enigmail
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• 287[01:30:33] <yareckon> LOL
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• 290[01:31:20] <yareckon> went through 45 minutes of setting up my work keys on my home machine in oder to decrypt email from colleage that consisted of a single smiley
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• 294[01:31:42] <yareckon> pretty secret which smiley it was tho
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• 309[01:34:39] <yareckon> OK, thanks for the hand holding jessie
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• 311[01:34:54] <yareckon> you don't change your nick every release do ya?
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• 316[01:36:00] <yareckon> nope
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• 318[01:36:29] <yareckon> night everyone
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• 338[01:46:24] <Circuitsoft> Hello - I have a few lxc VMs running, and running on, Jessie.
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• 341[01:46:52] <Circuitsoft> On one of them, aptitude is reading ~120M/s when "Loading package lists" and takes about 10 seconds to go every percentage point.
• 342[01:47:09] <Circuitsoft> I've never seen aptitude take more than a few seconds to load the list before, but this has been going several minutes.
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• 373[02:03:19] <Circuitsoft> So, apt-get is also horrendously slow, and when I strace it, I just see it calling brk() every second or so.
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• 376[02:05:34] <ToBeFree> Circuitsoft, does "apt-get clean" help somehow?
• 377[02:06:01] <Circuitsoft> No.
• 378[02:06:17] <Circuitsoft> So, after a reboot (of the container) it's fast again.
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• 380[02:06:29] <Circuitsoft> I think it was an issue with how libvirt-lxc limits memory usage.
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• 425[02:30:49] <paludo> Guys, why is that "xdg-settings set default-web-browser google-chrome.desktop" returns: "xdg-settings: unknown desktop environment"? I'm running Mate
• 426[02:32:13] <somiaj> paludo: It really says enviornment? Have you created the google-chrome.desktop file and put it in the proper location?
• 427[02:32:35] <somiaj> xdg-settings I didn't think was dependent the actual enviorment.
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• 429[02:33:10] <somiaj> paludo: if the google-chrome.desktop file is created and put in a proper location, maybe paste its contents.
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• 435[02:37:17] <paludo> somiaj: here replaced-url
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• 443[02:39:27] <gparted> hey im having a problem. i was playing a game on wine. then i quit. now my pc constantly reads from the hdd like once every other second. it only does this with my user account. i can login as root and it doesnt happen. how can i fix this?
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• 446[02:40:17] <gparted> i checked logs and i cant see anything to indicate what is doing it. nor in top or task manager
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• 449[02:43:22] <gparted> i guess i will just delete the user account and its home dir and make a new user...
• 450[02:43:39] <bmomjian> Can someone help me figure out why my local fonts are not being found? I had a working setup but just upgraded from Debian Squeeze to Jessie and now am getting "font not found" errors.
• 451[02:44:06] <somiaj> gparted: check ps fax, top, to see what processes are running, is the wine process still running (sometimes it doesn't stop nicely)
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• 456[02:45:49] <somiaj> paludo: looks like you stole that .desktop file from ubuntu, I see things like 'TargetEnviorment=Unity' in there
• 457[02:46:12] <somiaj> paludo: maybe grab the chromium.desktop file form a debian package and modify it to run google-chrome instead.
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• 461[02:46:58] <paludo> somiaj: I did not, executing xdg-settings get default-web-browser gives the same error
• 462[02:47:12] <somiaj> paludo: nevermind, that is the .desktop package that comes with the google-chrome package, just checked
• 463[02:47:47] <somiaj> paludo: hmm, okay, wonder what is wrong with your xdg setup, as it works fine here and I'm not even running a desktop.
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• 466[02:49:19] <paludo> somiaj: take a look at my xdg-settings script, replaced-url
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• 468[02:50:34] <paludo> somiaj: doesn't look strange that it only tests for kde, gnome and xfce?
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• 470[02:51:26] <somiaj> paludo: what does echo $DE return?
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• 472[02:52:34] <somiaj> paludo: DE=generic xdg-desktop (then run that command)
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• 474[02:52:46] <somiaj> paludo: though don't know why it works on my system, I don't have DE defined.
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• 479[02:54:13] <somiaj> paludo: okay, I see what is happening, it detectes you are running mate, but for some reason doesn't consider that a valid desktop. It might be because gnome2 (which mate was forked) doesn't support xdg-open
• 480[02:54:18] <paludo> somiaj: DE is define through that detectDE function, which looks for ${XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP}, which in my case is MATE, but the function doesn't consider that case, look at lines 385
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• 482[02:55:04] <somiaj> I just read on some form that you could set it that way, but looks like the script will ignore any setting
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• 484[02:55:11] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Errr. I hate fonts. How do you know? Where do the errors show up? I have these installed replaced-url
• 485[02:55:55] <paludo> somiaj: shouldn't I be using xdg at all then...
• 486[02:56:34] <somiaj> paludo: I'm unsure, I don't know what mate would use for its default browser. Though I thought other applications could be using xdg-open so it seems strange that it is desktop dependent.
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• 488[02:56:49] <somiaj> paludo: but I'm just a simple window manager user who configures everythign by hand, I don't use any of these tools.
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• 492[02:57:26] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Without knowing anything at all, I see that "fc-cache" is supposed to rebuild something font-y.
• 493[02:57:56] <bmomjian> Oh, Karl, I wanted to reply to your email today; things are much better now. Thanks so much.
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• 495[02:58:04] <bmomjian> fonts are very confusing
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• 498[02:58:30] <paludo> somiaj: ok, but where is the file configuration for default applications? I always used xdg for that kind of stuff
• 499[02:58:51] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Once upon a time I installed the "libre" fonts in lieu of the MS fonts and stopped thinking about it. (Gotta go for a bit...)
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• 501[02:59:18] <paludo> somiaj: what seems odd to me is the fact that the script simple doesn't consider MATE in the case statement
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• 503[02:59:29] <gparted> ok that fixed it
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• 505[02:59:40] <gparted> any idea what might have caused that to happen?
• 506[02:59:53] <bmomjian> What is odd is that it worked in Squeeze, and I have my entire font local directory still unchanged.
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• 509[03:00:05] <bmomjian> creating that was a bear, but it is there now
• 510[03:00:08] <somiaj> paludo: replaced-url
• 511[03:00:12] <bmomjian> for some reason latex isn't seeing it.
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• 513[03:00:37] <somiaj> paludo: seems that it dosen't know how to properly set the browser for mate and suggests you use mime-types instead.
• 514[03:00:40] <bmomjian> so I think my first step is to get a tiny tex file to test.
• 515[03:00:45] <gparted> im just glad i didnt end up having to re-install debian
• 516[03:00:50] <bmomjian> I am using Lyx but that is too complex
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• 528[03:03:32] <paludo> somiaj: i did export XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=GNOME and after that seems to work fine
• 529[03:03:59] <somiaj> paludo: yea, this seems to be a bug. That setting is designed to actually control your desktop more than set a mime type or how it opens browsers.
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• 532[03:04:23] <paludo> somiaj: any guide on how to use mime types?
• 533[03:04:46] <somiaj> paludo: If you look at the xdg-open script it seems to only fall back on that if other things are set. xdg-mime default google-chrome.desktop x-scheme-handler/http
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• 536[03:06:47] <paludo> somiaj: yeah, that works
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• 538[03:07:00] <somiaj> might want to set that for x-scheme-handler/https as well
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• 540[03:07:27] <somiaj> paludo: so it seems the script is erroing out in a non-intuitive way, saying that it cannot set this inside your desktop
• 541[03:07:46] <somiaj> at least that is what the bugs seem to say, and it is a bug that gets classified as minored and seemed to be mostly ignored by upstream
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• 543[03:08:11] <paludo> somiaj: where the default file is locate? I mean with all the mime defaults
• 544[03:08:30] <somiaj> paludo: I don't know, I use xdg tools so rarely I have to relearn how to use them each time
• 545[03:08:43] <paludo> somiaj: i agree that is minored, but it's a bug anyway
• 546[03:08:55] <somiaj> I try to avoid all of this integration, as I find it as tools I do not need. (:
• 547[03:08:59] <paludo> somiaj: what do you use?
• 548[03:09:12] <paludo> somiaj: do write it by hand?
• 549[03:09:15] <somiaj> paludo: yea you can find it in the bts around so it seems to be a bug that is known
• 550[03:09:28] <somiaj> paludo: I use fvwm, which requires I write all my syntax by hand for my desktop setup
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• 553[03:10:30] <paludo> somiaj: I see, what are the benefits?
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• 558[03:13:15] <pioto> hi. is it possible to bypass adding a non-root user during the debian install process? the goal is for me to basically immediately link things up to LDAP after install, so i'd rather avoid making and then immediatly deleting a "throwaway" user if possible
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• 561[03:13:39] <markybob> pioto: don't enter a password when it asks for root password
• 562[03:13:55] <pioto> markybob: you've got it backwards from what i want
• 563[03:13:57] <markybob> pioto: oh. i misread
• 564[03:14:00] <somiaj> paludo: I like how my desktop looks and interacts. I also don't like stuff running in the background like automounters and various integration stuff. Why I switched to linux in the first place, to get a efficent only run what I want machine.
• 565[03:14:15] <markybob> pioto: anyway, yes. hit cancel
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• 568[03:14:52] <pioto> markybob: ... i just see "Go Back" (which takes me to the root password question again) or "Continue" (which doesn't work if you just leave the fields blank)
• 569[03:15:12] <pioto> so i guess the answer is probably "no", and i'd have to work out a feature request instead
• 570[03:15:37] <pioto> but maybe there's some trickery with a preseed file or something?
• 571[03:15:51] <markybob> pioto: you can actually go back enough to get to the menu. when you do that you skip to the next step
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• 573[03:16:17] <pioto> markybob: ahha! so that does still exist! thanks
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• 577[03:16:28] <paludo> somiaj: That's cool, but looks like a lot of work... so I found the file here mimeapps.list
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• 579[03:18:01] <somiaj> paludo: well I haven't changed my desktop setup drastically since 2006-7, (:
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• 584[03:19:12] <paludo> somiaj: that might be wise, considering your setup
• 585[03:19:58] <somiaj> paludo: old, dont' like change. Is the mime-info not in xml files. I have always used the xdg-mime tools when I needed to modify it. Mostly for wine apps.
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• 590[03:24:52] <paludo> somiaj: wait a second, I don't know what I'm doing
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• 594[03:25:38] <bmomjian> So the error I get is: Font shape `OT1/1145/m/n' undefined. The latex docs is at replaced-url
• 595[03:25:40] <dvs> qotd!
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• 601[03:27:36] <somiaj> bmomjian: do you have the livetex full or extras packages installed?
• 602[03:28:37] <bmomjian> Uh, how do I check?
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• 604[03:28:57] <somiaj> bmomjian: dpkg -l | grep texlive
• 605[03:29:54] <bmomjian> Output is here: replaced-url
• 606[03:29:58] <bmomjian> Looks like a lot.
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• 608[03:30:55] <somiaj> bmomjian: yea looks like you have it. You can try to instal 'texlive-full' to ensure you have everything, if not debian may not provide the font your asking for
• 609[03:31:12] <paludo> somiaj: tkx man, great help, apparently I have some setup to do
• 610[03:32:03] <somiaj> bmomjian: there is a #latex or ##latex channel for more help, but if you have texlive-full installed that should pull in the major packages provided by debian
• 611[03:32:16] <gparted> anyone have an idea of what would cause my user account to make the hdd do a read every other second? it was very annoying and i couldnt find the source of it in top or in task manager. i'm using debian 8 with xfce
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• 613[03:33:12] <somiaj> gparted: there is iotop
• 614[03:33:26] <bmomjian> so at least I have a small latex doc that fails. The output is: replaced-url
• 615[03:33:39] <gparted> i removed the user and then deleted its home dir and then re-added it and it went away
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• 617[03:33:58] <gparted> but i would like to know why that happened
• 618[03:34:04] <gparted> so i can avoid it in the future
• 619[03:34:18] <bmomjian> yes, I tried #latex
• 620[03:34:19] <somiaj> gparted: probabaly some setting/app automatically running when you login, unless you tracked it down hard to say forsure.
• 621[03:34:25] <gparted> ah
• 622[03:34:29] <gparted> ok
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• 624[03:35:10] <somiaj> bmomjian: that font shape you are requesting is not availbe int he debian packages. I don't know enough about latex fonts to know what the issue could be
• 625[03:35:13] <gparted> im guessing that the game i was using had malware it installed
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• 628[03:35:55] <bmomjian> yes, it is a local one.
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• 631[03:36:13] <somiaj> bmomjian: #latex or ##latex may better assit you, this is beyond my latex knowledge
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• 633[03:36:22] <bmomjian> understood
• 634[03:37:25] <gparted> also when i suspend my session my bottom taskbar gets a flicker in it when i restore the session. the only thing that makes it go away is a reboot....do i need a patch or something?
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• 646[03:40:38] <abrotman> Hi, when will Stretch release?!?!
• 647[03:40:53] <gparted> whats stretch?
• 648[03:41:02] <gparted> the next debian release?
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• 650[03:41:35] <markybob> abrotman: i assume i just had a stroke
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• 653[03:43:03] <dvs> abrotman, when it's ready!
• 654[03:43:11] <jpalmer> abrotman: did you take two seconds to look at the site? replaced-url
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• 660[03:44:10] <markybob> jpalmer: he's an op. he knows. probably just drunk and having fun :P
• 661[03:45:04] <bmomjian> I will try asking again in the morning, my time.
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• 668[03:47:21] <abrotman> markybob: more like I just read my list news :)
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• 670[03:47:59] <abrotman> Ugh, we need to redo !wwsr
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• 672[03:48:03] <markybob> abrotman: oh. well i'm drunk and having fun ;)
• 673[03:48:14] <dvs> abrotman, what's wrong with squeeze?
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• 678[03:49:38] <abrotman> dvs: the factoid had already been deleted
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• 681[03:49:48] <cafuego> terrible, terrible troll
• 682[03:49:56] <shibly> I ran: update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
• 683[03:50:07] <shibly> But it seems, it didn't update the flash plugin
• 684[03:50:11] <gparted> thats not a command
• 685[03:50:24] <gparted> its apt update
• 686[03:50:28] <abrotman> shibly: when is the last time you ran that
• 687[03:50:33] <abrotman> gparted: it is a command
• 688[03:50:37] <gparted> lol
• 689[03:50:43] <gparted> ok i'll shut up
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• 691[03:50:51] <somiaj> gparted: what video card and drivers are you using? Is it just the taskbar, if you just restart your desktop is it enough, or is the flicker an issue with the graphics drivers?
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• 695[03:51:17] <abrotman> shibly: that plugin isn't updated as often as one would hope
• 696[03:51:34] <somiaj> shibly: what does --status say? Also somtiems it takes a while for the script to update to the newest version, it checks the matainers webpage first.
• 697[03:52:01] <gparted> Graphics: Card Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4225/4250]
• 698[03:52:01] <gparted> Display Server X.Org 1.16.4 drivers ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
• 699[03:52:01] <gparted> Resolution 1366x768@60.03hz
• 700[03:52:01] <gparted> GLX Renderer Gallium 0.4 on AMD RS880 GLX Version 3.0 Mesa 10.3.2
• 701[03:52:02] *** gparted was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
• 702[03:52:04] <somiaj> shibly: fwiw, pepperflash plugin has a wrapper to install it in iceweasel for a nwer flash.
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• 705[03:52:17] <gparted> oops
• 706[03:52:20] <abrotman> if your IW supports that
• 707[03:52:24] <gparted> its an amd radeon
• 708[03:52:41] <gparted> Card Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4225/4250]
• 709[03:52:43] <somiaj> gparted: have you installe dthe non-free firmware (linux-firmware-nonfree)?
• 710[03:52:52] <gparted> yes
• 711[03:52:55] <somiaj> gparted: even though the radeon drivers is free, it works better with non-free firmware.
• 712[03:53:01] <gparted> oh
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• 714[03:53:22] <gparted> the kernel when i booted up kept saying i needed the driver so i installed it
• 715[03:53:40] <shibly> abrotman: somiaj Oh, it's updated now.
• 716[03:53:48] <gparted> i have the non-free driver
• 717[03:54:00] <gparted> er firmware
• 718[03:54:16] <gparted> and the problem is only cosmetic
• 719[03:54:16] <shibly> somiaj: Flash Player version installed on this system : 11.2.202.569
• 720[03:54:25] <gparted> but its seizure inducingly annoying
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• 723[03:54:41] <gparted> it only happens when i resume from a suspend
• 724[03:54:51] <gparted> and if i reboot it goes away
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• 726[03:55:07] <somiaj> shibly: yea, that is old and outdated, but adobe is still providing some security. Use the pepperflash wrapper if you want a newer version
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• 728[03:55:28] <markybob> shibly: yes, use pepperflash
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• 731[03:56:26] <shibly> somiaj: But here: replaced-url
• 732[03:56:39] <somiaj> gparted: some drivers, cards, don't like to be supsended/resumed. You could probabaly reload the driver, but you'd still have to restart x.
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• 734[03:56:52] <somiaj> shibly: for linux, go look at the version for say windows.
• 735[03:56:59] <gparted> ok. well i'll just deal with it for now then
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• 737[03:57:16] <somiaj> shibly: That version will work. It just hasn't had anything expect security fixes from adobe for many years.
• 738[03:57:22] <gparted> it doesnt do that on my other pc but that one has an nvidia card so that makes sense
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• 741[03:58:13] <gparted> thx for the input somiaj
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• 743[03:58:39] <somiaj> gparted: you can try to track it down, and there are ways to modify what happens during the supsend/resume. But graphics driver modules can't be reloaded without stoping xorg.
• 744[03:58:44] <somiaj> (at least as far as I know)
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• 746[03:59:06] <shibly> somiaj: What's the command to install pepperflash? What's the version of pepperflash? I'm using firefox.
• 747[03:59:09] <gparted> yea i kinda figured that this would be the case. i had similar issues when i was running linux mint
• 748[03:59:32] <gparted> you can always hope though...
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• 751[04:00:15] <somiaj> shibly: install this package from conrtib: browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
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• 753[04:00:31] <shibly> replaced-url
• 754[04:00:47] <shibly> apt install or aptitude install?
• 755[04:01:04] <shibly> Is that a mistake in documentation?
• 756[04:01:12] <gparted> thats a matter of preference
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• 758[04:01:18] <gparted> aptitude has a gui
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• 761[04:01:43] <gparted> both install packages with dpkg
• 762[04:02:10] <shibly> gparted: Is apt the gui for aptitude ?
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• 765[04:02:28] <gparted> no
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• 767[04:02:32] <gparted> the other way around
• 768[04:02:39] <gparted> aptitude is the gui for apt
• 769[04:02:46] <somiaj> shibly: there is now a command called apt which is taking apt-get, apt-cache and stiking it under a single binary. So it is not a typo, just not many have started using apt as their default tool
• 770[04:02:48] <gparted> apt is the cli interface
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• 772[04:02:54] <somiaj> aptitude can also be used on the command line
• 773[04:03:01] <gparted> oh
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• 776[04:03:28] <somiaj> apt and aptitude have a fair difference of logic, than can be noticable under more complex package situations
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• 778[04:03:54] <shibly> I don't use chromium, so why would i install pepperflash?
• 779[04:03:56] <somiaj> apt traditional was a set of multiple tools, but now has a single binary (which I'm unsure on how much is a rewrite an dhow much is just merging the tools into a single binary)
• 780[04:03:57] <apt> I think you lost me on that one, somiaj
• 781[04:03:57] <shibly> somiaj: ^
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• 783[04:04:02] <gparted> i use synaptic usually but if im feeling lazy i just use apt-get
• 784[04:04:07] <somiaj> shibly: the package I gave you is a wrapper so it will work in iceweasel
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• 786[04:04:32] <shibly> somiaj: I use firefox, not iceweasel
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• 788[04:04:56] <somiaj> shibly: or firefox, same difference. It is an NAPI wrapper so will work with any NAPI browser (which is most browsers except chormium)
• 789[04:05:07] <gparted> how can i switch to firefox from iceweasel. when i try apt-get install firefox it says its already installed
• 790[04:05:10] <somiaj> shibly: firefox/icewasel are the same thing.
• 791[04:05:18] <gparted> nm
• 792[04:05:22] <somiaj> gparted: there is very little reason to switch as the branding is the only difference.
• 793[04:05:36] <gparted> ok. it was just confusing
• 794[04:05:46] <gparted> im used to having firefox on linux
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• 796[04:05:51] <somiaj> gparted: though it may be of note that debian provides the ESR release of firefox, not the rolling release. use mozilla.debian.net to get a backport of the rolling releates built for debian.
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• 798[04:06:02] <gparted> oh thx
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• 800[04:06:19] <gparted> if its the same thing i guess there is no reason to switch
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• 802[04:06:26] <somiaj> gparted: iceweasel = firefox minus copyrighted logos. Though the difference some see is the ESR version gets longer support and updates less often.
• 803[04:06:46] <somiaj> but mozilla.debian.net provides newer versions of icewealse backported for jessie
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• 806[04:07:58] <gparted> so when i run upgrade it will get the latest version?
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• 808[04:08:33] <gparted> or do i need to add mozilla.debian.net as a provider?
• 809[04:09:10] <somiaj> gparted: go to mozilla.debian.net and read teh isntructions to add the repo.
• 810[04:09:16] <gparted> ok
• 811[04:09:29] <somiaj> gparted: since it is jessie-backports I think you have to manually install it, but once installed it should stay upgraded when you run apt-get ugprade
• 812[04:09:42] <gparted> ok no problem
• 813[04:09:43] <somiaj> [i.e. jessie-backports will not be installed unless you explicity tell apt to install them]
• 814[04:10:27] <gparted> how do i get iceweasel to play videos?
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• 817[04:10:35] <gparted> youtube doesnt work
• 818[04:10:44] <gparted> it says it needs a plugin
• 819[04:11:02] <gparted> but it doesnt tell me which one it wants
• 820[04:11:29] <somiaj> gparted: youtube should do html5 for most videos and work. But many palces use flash and you will have to get a flash plugin
• 821[04:11:41] <gparted> kk
• 822[04:11:55] <somiaj> gparted: there is gnash as a free alternative to the adobe flash (though I suggest using pepper-flash (its googles version of adboes flash), but this is non-free.
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• 825[04:12:39] <gparted> im installing the "youtube flashplayer plugin"
• 826[04:13:04] <somiaj> what does that mean? I do not recogize what package would be called that.
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• 828[04:13:23] <somiaj> might just be downloading it locally.
• 829[04:13:24] <gparted> its under 'addons" in iceweasel
• 830[04:13:35] <gparted> its an iceweasel addon
• 831[04:13:49] <somiaj> yea just downgloading it to $HOME. I install it on my system with packages from contrib
• 832[04:14:03] <gparted> ah
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• 835[04:14:36] <gparted> yea i had videos working before by installing some binary codec package, but i wanted to avoid that this time around
• 836[04:15:16] <gparted> ok that worked
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• 841[04:17:57] <gparted> one last question. is there a workaround for the error where my ps/2 touchpad keeps going out? currently i am having to run sudo modprobe -r psmouse && sudo modprobe psmouse
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• 843[04:18:13] <|Grommet|> hello everyone, I just upgraded my machine from squeeze to wheezy which went relatively well. Some packages, however, have been "held back". When trying to install them I seem to be missing librtmp0 which has "no installable candidate"
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• 845[04:19:22] <|Grommet|> the "held back" packages are; ap,t apt-utils, curl, iproute, libcurl3, libxapian22, rsyslog, and udev
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• 855[04:26:26] <somiaj> ,v librtmp0
• 856[04:26:28] <judd> Package: librtmp0 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.3-2; wheezy: 2.4+20111222.git4e06e21-1
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• 858[04:27:14] <CuteMeOwnThroat> you're pretty late to go from sqzeeze->wheezy... regular wheezy security support ends in 2 months :P (but there seems to be again an lts)
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• 860[04:27:59] <CuteMeOwnThroat> Grommet, and this is after you ran apt-get dist-upgrade?
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• 862[04:28:13] <Grommet> yeah
• 863[04:28:44] <Grommet> I was hoping to jump up once more but I guess I'm kinda stuck hehe
• 864[04:29:06] <CuteMeOwnThroat> what is librtmp0 anyway
• 865[04:29:12] <Grommet> I don't even know
• 866[04:29:34] <Grommet> this whole thing started when I wanted to install Node.js
• 867[04:30:11] <CuteMeOwnThroat> toolkit for RTMP streams (shared library)
• 868[04:30:12] <Grommet> now there are a lot of things that I can't install
• 869[04:30:24] <Grommet> I don't know if I am missing sources or what
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• 871[04:30:48] <CuteMeOwnThroat> most likely too many sources
• 872[04:30:58] <Grommet> too many?
• 873[04:31:00] <dvs> Grommet, pastebin it and someone might know
• 874[04:31:01] <Grommet> that may be!
• 875[04:31:24] <CuteMeOwnThroat> dammit, I hate the output of apt-cache policy
• 876[04:31:42] <somiaj> Grommet: did you read the release guide before upgrading. Why do you have to many sources, you should remove all except offial debian sources for upgrades
• 877[04:32:18] <CuteMeOwnThroat> Grommet, well, can you pastebin the output of apt-cache policy?
• 878[04:32:24] <Grommet> well at first I had siz but I kept getting 404s so I added some more
• 879[04:32:31] <Grommet> ok
• 880[04:33:15] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and apt never ever depended on a toolkit for rtmp streams... and udev did so even less
• 881[04:33:43] <CuteMeOwnThroat> same goes for rsyslog
• 882[04:34:22] <CuteMeOwnThroat> dpkg, squeeze->wheezy
• 883[04:34:22] <dpkg> Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>.
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• 885[04:34:56] <CuteMeOwnThroat> dpkg, squeeze->wheezy failures
• 886[04:34:56] <dpkg> Try: (a) upgrade in 2 steps: apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade (b) apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0 (c) add squeeze back into sources.list; apt-get update; try again. (d) apt-get install apt; try again (e) apt-get install badpackage; try again (f) apt-get remove badpackage; apt-get install badpackage; try again (g) dpkg -r --force-depends badpackage; apt-get -f install; try again.
• 887[04:35:28] <CuteMeOwnThroat> wtf
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• 889[04:36:04] <Grommet> replaced-url
• 890[04:36:30] <Grommet> I didn't get anyerrors when I did the dist upgrade
• 891[04:36:48] <Grommet> it was afterwards when I wanted to install weechat that I had a lot of 404s
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• 893[04:37:07] <dvs> Grommet, uk and us and none?!?
• 894[04:37:26] <Grommet> what
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• 897[04:38:33] <dvs> ftp.us.debian.org ftp.uk.debian.org and ftp.debian.org
• 898[04:38:41] <Grommet> yeah
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• 900[04:38:47] <dvs> ...
• 901[04:38:56] <gparted> i just found out what was causing the problem with my hard disk reading every other second. i had the applet in xfce for sensors set to refresh every second 0.o
• 902[04:38:59] <Grommet> ok taking off the UK ones
• 903[04:39:10] <dvs> Grommet, you only need one of those
• 904[04:39:34] <CuteMeOwnThroat> seems you forgot to add some japanese and indian servers there
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• 906[04:39:40] <dvs> heh
• 907[04:39:50] * dvs prefers sweden
• 908[04:40:06] <Grommet> replaced-url
• 909[04:40:16] <CuteMeOwnThroat> bah, just because you like it when the servers are blond and have blue eyes :P
• 910[04:40:19] <Grommet> where do I find the javpanese ones
• 911[04:40:30] <Grommet> oh jp instead of uk?
• 912[04:40:45] <CuteMeOwnThroat> judd, versions badpackage
• 913[04:40:46] <judd> No package named 'badpackage' was found in amd64.
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• 915[04:40:50] <CuteMeOwnThroat> Grommet, I was kidding
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• 917[04:41:08] <Grommet> ok good, I didn't do it yet :)
• 918[04:41:17] <dvs> Grommet, according to the release notes, you use only use the official debian repos when upgrading.
• 919[04:41:21] <CuteMeOwnThroat> they should all be the same, but might be a bit de-synchronized
• 920[04:41:37] <Grommet> there were only 6 when I upgraded. I think I got them from the site you quoted
• 921[04:41:41] <dvs> dvs, and only one of them at any one time.
• 922[04:41:54] <Grommet> I added a bunch afterwards because a lot of packages have "no installable source"
• 923[04:42:02] <Grommet> which was including gcc
• 924[04:42:11] <Grommet> but instead there was a gcc-doc
• 925[04:42:23] <Grommet> which I thought was documents but then, after installing it I had make
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• 927[04:43:07] <markybob> Grommet: that's easy. you only have wheezy updates...you don't have the main one
• 928[04:43:24] <markybob> Grommet: deb replaced-url
• 929[04:43:34] <Grommet> ok, thank you
• 930[04:43:57] <Grommet> I did have that one, second from last
• 931[04:44:00] <dvs> yet another line to add....
• 932[04:44:05] <Grommet> haha
• 933[04:44:11] <CuteMeOwnThroat> not true... the .uk one has wheezy main
• 934[04:44:15] <markybob> Grommet: no, second from last is non-free. not main.
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• 936[04:44:29] <Grommet> ohhh I got ya
• 937[04:44:32] <CuteMeOwnThroat> but that one lacs contrib non-free
• 938[04:44:37] <CuteMeOwnThroat> lacks*
• 939[04:44:37] <markybob> CuteMeOwnThroat: that's deb-src
• 940[04:44:41] <dvs> Grommet, clean up that file before upgrading.
• 941[04:44:52] <CuteMeOwnThroat> oh, you are right
• 942[04:45:08] <markybob> i try
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• 946[04:45:49] <CuteMeOwnThroat> it's 4:45 in the morning and I have to work at 9, what am I doing here anyway with eyes that don't stay open...
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• 949[04:46:36] <Grommet> you guys are cool
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• 951[04:46:41] <Grommet> my stuff is back!
• 952[04:46:45] <Grommet> I can weechat!
• 953[04:47:42] <markybob> Grommet: you sources are very worng, though. you also don't have security for main
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• 955[04:47:56] <markybob> Grommet: just updates
• 956[04:48:04] <markybob> wrong*
• 957[04:48:47] <Grommet> is there a list?
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• 959[04:49:05] <Grommet> I found this site that generated sources for me
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• 962[04:49:07] <CuteMeOwnThroat> dpkg, wheezy sources.list
• 963[04:49:07] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 964[04:49:09] <dvs> !tell Grommet about wheezy sources.list
• 965[04:49:11] <Grommet> but yeah some 404
• 966[04:49:17] <markybob> Grommet: that ^
• 967[04:49:24] <Grommet> thanks again!
• 968[04:49:26] <CuteMeOwnThroat> heh
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• 971[04:49:49] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I heard some people have problems with httpredir, though
• 972[04:50:00] <Grommet> hmm
• 973[04:50:11] <markybob> i've heard. haven't seen it myself
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• 975[04:50:26] <markybob> i trust greycat though and he's had problems
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• 977[04:50:30] <CuteMeOwnThroat> you also already have contrib non-free as well, so that should stay in
• 978[04:50:34] <CuteMeOwnThroat> yeah
• 979[04:50:54] <CuteMeOwnThroat> havent seen it myself either... but then, I never tried to use it :)
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• 981[04:52:08] <CuteMeOwnThroat> are you in the uk? or in the us?
• 982[04:52:21] <dvs> or both? ;-)
• 983[04:52:27] <CuteMeOwnThroat> or japan!
• 984[04:52:38] <Grommet> I dunno where the server actually is
• 985[04:52:47] <Grommet> I have always assumed it was in the us
• 986[04:53:03] <Grommet> I won it in a pkemon game like 3 yrs ago :)
• 987[04:53:06] <somiaj> it really depends on the mirror, it isn't as relable in my experience to the old round robbin addresses, but works fairly well, but I have had it give me a bad mirror (with a really terrible host name at that, wish I rember the host name)
• 988[04:53:09] <Grommet> pokemon
• 989[04:54:01] <Grommet> I wish I never upgraded it, the irc server never crashes
• 990[04:54:04] <Grommet> ah well
• 991[04:54:24] <dvs> Grommet, If you didnt, you wouldnt get any security updates.
• 992[04:54:27] <CuteMeOwnThroat> well, run traceroute servername ... or geoip servername from your home system...
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• 994[04:54:39] <Grommet> k hold up I will let ya know
• 995[04:55:16] <markybob> Grommet: and techincally your system isn't even supported here
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• 997[04:56:05] <Grommet> it isn't?
• 998[04:56:24] <Grommet> it is in new yourk I think
• 999[04:56:37] <markybob> Grommet: not with your mate sources in there
• 1000[04:56:42] <dvs> Grommet, he means where abouts are you?
• 1001[04:56:51] <Grommet> I am in the us :)
• 1002[04:56:55] <dvs> ok
• 1003[04:56:56] <markybob> !tell Grommet about dontbreakdebian
• 1004[04:57:02] <Grommet> lol
• 1005[04:57:05] <Grommet> :(
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• 1007[04:57:54] <Grommet> well now it has 3 lines and a lot of stuff is happening
• 1008[04:57:59] <Grommet> that is probably good haha
• 1009[04:58:05] <CuteMeOwnThroat> depends
• 1010[04:58:16] <CuteMeOwnThroat> didn't you check what it says it will do?
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• 1012[04:58:40] <Grommet> uh oh
• 1013[04:58:50] <markybob> Grommet: with a third party mate thing in there it could really break a lot of things
• 1014[04:59:03] <CuteMeOwnThroat> ok for me: sleep now. byebye
• 1015[04:59:53] <Grommet> nite
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• 1017[05:00:40] <dvs> Grommet, "a lot of stuff" after running what?
• 1018[05:00:51] <Grommet> just update
• 1019[05:00:57] <dvs> ah
• 1020[05:01:01] <Grommet> everything is fine I rebooted and all my stuff is ok
• 1021[05:01:26] <dvs> Grommet, update doesn't change packages. upgrade starts to.
• 1022[05:01:45] <Grommet> yeah I am making a snapshot before that
• 1023[05:01:55] <Grommet> I have a snapshot from yesterday too just in case
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• 1025[05:02:11] <Grommet> ls
• 1026[05:02:14] <Grommet> oops
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• 1030[05:04:21] <Grommet> things are much better, I am installing apt-transport-https which was not available before
• 1031[05:04:48] <dvs> Grommet, Why are you installing new packages in the middle of an upgrade?
• 1032[05:05:12] <Grommet> because they got broken
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• 1034[05:05:24] <Grommet> and I have to make everything right first
• 1035[05:05:27] <Grommet> or nope?
• 1036[05:05:39] <dvs> after the upgrade is complete.
• 1037[05:05:43] <Grommet> kk
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• 1043[05:09:50] <Grommet> ah nopw much unpacking
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• 1045[05:12:06] <Grommet> that was fast
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• 1047[05:12:12] <Grommet> one package has been kept back
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• 1049[05:12:20] <Grommet> db4.8-util
• 1050[05:12:27] <dvs> Grommet, Thats when you do dist-upgrade
• 1051[05:12:43] <Grommet> I did, at first there were 8 held back
• 1052[05:12:50] <Grommet> like mount and such
• 1053[05:12:56] <Grommet> then I dist-upgrade
• 1054[05:13:00] <Grommet> and one is left
• 1055[05:13:12] <dvs> ,v db4.8-util
• 1056[05:13:13] <judd> Package: db4.8-util on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.8.30-2; wheezy: 4.8.30-12
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• 1058[05:14:43] <Grommet> I fixed it with just regular apt-get install
• 1059[05:14:47] <Grommet> and then it did it
• 1060[05:15:04] <dvs> Welcome to wheezy!
• 1061[05:15:18] <Grommet> YES!
• 1062[05:15:24] <Grommet> well assuming survive reboot :)
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• 1064[05:15:52] <markybob> Grommet: just remember you're no longer supported here
• 1065[05:15:58] <Grommet> really?
• 1066[05:16:03] <dvs> until squeeze
• 1067[05:16:03] <Grommet> I feel supported a lot
• 1068[05:16:05] <markybob> Grommet: third party mate. really.
• 1069[05:16:14] <dvs> oh yea,, that
• 1070[05:16:19] <Grommet> I'm a third party?
• 1071[05:16:23] <dvs> mate is
• 1072[05:16:28] <markybob> Grommet: your sources.list said so
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• 1074[05:16:43] <Grommet> oh but I took that list and only put in the 3
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• 1076[05:16:58] <markybob> Grommet: damage done.
• 1077[05:17:02] <markybob> !frankendebian
• 1078[05:17:02] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 1079[05:17:12] <Grommet> lol
• 1080[05:17:23] <Grommet> well thank you for where I am now :)
• 1081[05:17:28] <markybob> i didn't think i was being funny
• 1082[05:17:48] <dvs> !pal markybob
• 1083[05:17:49] * dpkg points at markybob and laughs hysterically
• 1084[05:18:18] <Grommet> it lives :)
• 1085[05:19:29] <Grommet> root@redfang:~# cat /etc/debian_version
• 1086[05:19:29] <Grommet> 7.9
• 1087[05:19:31] <Grommet> !
• 1088[05:19:50] <dvs> That sounds right
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• 1102[05:27:24] <Grommet> omg the script working
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• 1129[05:28:24] <Grommet> thanks guys :)
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• 1239[05:58:47] <austeregrim> anyone up that can help me think of things to check on an old server now running debian to make it run better?
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• 1247[06:03:55] <TomTomTosch> austeregrim, upgrade it, check what services you don't need, check if any large files have piled up. find / -type f -size +500M 2> /dev/null
• 1248[06:04:14] <austeregrim> TomTomTosch, brand new install
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• 1250[06:04:43] <TomTomTosch> ah, got it. thought it was an old install.
• 1251[06:04:54] <austeregrim> put virtualbox on to load a vm... it's running like crap. Xeon Dual Core, 3ghz, 16gb ram
• 1252[06:05:03] <austeregrim> with hyper threading
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• 1254[06:05:17] <austeregrim> and virtualization in cpu
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• 1256[06:06:07] <austeregrim> I'm going to reboot it tomorrow and get in the bios and see if theres something I need to change... but didn't know if anyone here might have a suggestion, bios or os wise to make it run better.
• 1257[06:06:15] <j4son> hyper threading is probably a performance hit, but not by much. although "running like crap" is subjective
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• 1259[06:07:23] <TomTomTosch> you should also check if acceleration in enabled in vbox.
• 1260[06:07:27] <austeregrim> the vm I was running on my laptop first, has a debian install using observium to monitor hardwares, %10 cpu on the laptop i7 2 core ht...
• 1261[06:08:03] <austeregrim> put it on the server and the cpu utilization (in the vm) went from 10% to 60% on snmp runs
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• 1264[06:08:55] <austeregrim> similar speed processors, same number of available cores to the vm... huge hit on performance.
• 1265[06:08:58] <somiaj> austeregrim: you can check dmesg and it might tell you when the virtualbox module is loaded that you have hardware virtualiztuion turned off, which is ddefault in lots of bios.
• 1266[06:09:50] <austeregrim> I believe virtualization support is on, there's some options that wouldn't be availble in virtualbox if it wasnt.
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• 1270[06:11:46] <austeregrim> I tried watching htop, but I couldn't see anything really sticking out at me... I'm considering the disk i/o may be slow.
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• 1272[06:12:19] <somiaj> well check dmesg if you want to make sure. Are you ruinging a desktop in the vm, I missed the guest os
• 1273[06:12:22] <austeregrim> it's a raid backplane, but just in a single disk setup, for testing.
• 1274[06:12:37] <austeregrim> guest os is a debian non-desktop
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• 1276[06:12:56] <austeregrim> host os is debian with a xfce desktop
• 1277[06:13:40] <austeregrim> latest updates as of tuesday(?)
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• 1280[06:14:29] <j4son> `vmstat 5` and identify the bottleneck
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• 1283[06:16:41] <austeregrim> I don't think anything ever goes to swap. is there anything in particular in vmstat to look at to identify bottlenecks?
• 1284[06:16:41] <j4son> not clear what you are running in the VM either, 'snmp runs' is that polling or?
• 1285[06:16:57] <austeregrim> yes polling like 7 devices.
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• 1287[06:17:16] <austeregrim> running observium, which includes apache, and mysql, and rrdtools
• 1288[06:17:19] <j4son> vmstat will give you things like swap in/out, i/o wait, context switching, sys vs. user cpu load, etc
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• 1290[06:17:23] <j4son> valuable data
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• 1293[06:17:47] <j4son> ahh so the VM is the polling host, got it
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• 1297[06:18:04] <austeregrim> yes the vm is polling the host, and other devices too
• 1298[06:18:35] <austeregrim> and itself
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• 1303[06:18:46] <j4son> makes sense
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• 1306[06:19:11] <austeregrim> just looking for ideas, nothing I can confirm right this minute either
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• 1312[06:19:59] <j4son> hard to tell without more data... is it a issue of things being slow or a concern over CPU load numbers?
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• 1318[06:20:48] <austeregrim> slow response tends to happen when the cpu load hits high, but also the cpu load is higher than when it was on the laptop with a better cpu, but similar specs (speed and core count)
• 1319[06:21:04] <austeregrim> of course, the laptop had better cpu cache
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• 1324[06:21:46] <austeregrim> and probably faster disk access?
• 1325[06:22:24] <j4son> would be surprised if observium would max out i/o, but i have never actually run it before heh
• 1326[06:22:24] <austeregrim> debating building a raid and seeing if disk i/o is increased with that, and if it resolves the issues.
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• 1329[06:23:37] <austeregrim> they recommend using a ramdisk for caching rrd graphs, which I've tried, didn't help "much"
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• 1331[06:24:34] <austeregrim> much being a 5-10% increase in my subjective usability performance.
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• 1333[06:26:02] <austeregrim> oh well, I'll see if vmstat points out anything
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• 1338[06:28:35] <austeregrim> i'll probably be putting the guest os on a better vm host in a few weeks anyway... but I wanted to see if I could put this old hardware to use
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• 1350[06:33:10] <Gr1> Hi everyone
• 1351[06:33:25] <Gr1> I am seeing an error in apt/aptitude when trying to install puppet.
• 1352[06:33:46] <Gr1> The error is the same as this one in the bug replaced-url
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• 1363[06:37:44] <austeregrim> grl, replaced-url
• 1364[06:38:00] <austeregrim> Gr1, ^
• 1365[06:38:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1527
• 1366[06:38:22] <austeregrim> just a cursory glance of the issue though.
• 1367[06:38:26] <Gr1> Let me check that austeregrim
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• 1373[06:43:09] <Gr1> Looks like it is not the same error austeregrim. It is a gpg bypass in the askubuntu site, whereas mine is W: Failed to fetch, No Hash entry in Release file error.
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• 1377[06:44:16] <Gr1> Couldn't bypass that error with that :-(
• 1378[06:44:17] <austeregrim> Gr1, understood, but it may bypass the hash check... it might not... like i said, just a cursory glance
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• 1385[06:48:55] <TomTomTosch> Gr1, post your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net please.
• 1386[06:49:21] <Gr1> Sure TomTomTosch.
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• 1388[06:49:29] <TomTomTosch> Gr1, did you try to install it from the debian repo?
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• 1390[06:49:50] <Gr1> Puppet gives their own repo.
• 1391[06:50:34] <TomTomTosch> Gr1, ah, then i can not help you. they will have to fix that. puppet is in the official debian repo. you sould use that.
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• 1393[06:51:08] <enoch85> hey guys, anyone that are good with ngs shares? It seems like my share is gone even if it's setup to be shared in /etc/exports
• 1394[06:51:09] <Gr1> TomTomTosch: Oh I see. So it is an issue at puppet repo side, and not with my server
• 1395[06:51:21] <enoch85> this is the line: /var/log/nfs-share 192.168.1.201(ro,async,no_root_squash,no_wdelay,no_subtree_check)
• 1396[06:51:33] <TomTomTosch> Gr1, i think so, yes.
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• 1398[06:51:39] <enoch85> but nothing shows up on the client machine
• 1399[06:51:41] <Gr1> I was going for their repo, because I was looking to install version 4.x, which is not yet available on debian official repo yet
• 1400[06:51:48] <Gr1> Thanks a lot TomTomTosch
• 1401[06:52:01] <cafuego> Gr1: You can grab the .deb manually though and instal it, to bypass this issue.
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• 1403[06:52:26] <cafuego> Gr1: Not that that's something you'd want to do for all puppet-managed machines ;-)
• 1404[06:52:36] <austeregrim> can't apt ignore the release file issue though?
• 1405[06:52:37] <Gr1> cafuego: Ah for now, I will have to do it like that then :D
• 1406[06:53:25] <austeregrim> it's just checking for signatures.
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• 1408[06:53:51] <cafuego> it's just checking that IF there's malware, the malware got signed too ;-)
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• 1411[06:54:49] <austeregrim> Gr1, replaced-url
• 1412[06:54:58] <austeregrim> the second answer may help on it too
• 1413[06:55:16] <austeregrim> but I don't think it will
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• 1416[06:55:52] <Gr1> I am not sure, but I will give it a try by moving it to a diff location
• 1417[06:56:14] <cafuego> austeregrim: The error isn't a hash mismatch, I think the problem is the hash algorithm isn't strong enough for the newer apt in jessie.
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• 1419[06:56:35] <austeregrim> ahh
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• 1421[06:56:53] <austeregrim> so why can't gr1 force apt to ignore the hash and continue on
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• 1423[06:57:43] <austeregrim> or force apt to accept the "insecure" hash
• 1424[06:57:59] <cafuego> --allow-unauthenticated ?
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• 1427[06:58:11] <austeregrim> that was the first suggestion
• 1428[06:58:13] <Gr1> I was wondering the same. --allow-unauthenticated didn't work for this error
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• 1430[06:58:46] <TomTomTosch> this is about the md5 hash not the gpg key.
• 1431[06:58:54] <cafuego> yes
• 1432[06:59:01] <cafuego> It expect apt really wants sha hashes.
• 1433[06:59:10] <TomTomTosch> don't think you can bypass that. would be stupid if you could.
• 1434[06:59:12] <austeregrim> of the release file
• 1435[06:59:29] <austeregrim> the hash of the gpg key file
• 1436[06:59:34] <cafuego> TomTomTosch: I think the idea is to tell apt that an md5 hash is fine IF it matches.
• 1437[06:59:34] <austeregrim> right?
• 1438[06:59:48] <cafuego> hash of the package,a s listed in the release file.
• 1439[07:00:04] <TomTomTosch> but if the repo is not for your debian version you should not try to install it anyway.
• 1440[07:00:22] <cafuego> It is
• 1441[07:00:34] <cafuego> The problem is that the puppetlabs repo only uses md5 hashes
• 1442[07:01:24] <cafuego> No idea how to override that; a simple download && dpkg -i will work around it though.
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• 1446[07:03:27] <Gr1> cafuego: You said puppetlabs repo only uses md5 hashes. What are the other ones used?
• 1447[07:03:34] <Gr1> out of curiosity
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• 1451[07:06:22] <austeregrim> gr1, sha1 and sha256
• 1452[07:06:40] <austeregrim> md5, sha1, and sha256 are in debian's stable release file
• 1453[07:06:54] <cafuego> md5 is pretty much considered broken
• 1454[07:07:14] <Gr1> Oh
• 1455[07:07:22] <austeregrim> md5 alone
• 1456[07:07:31] <Gr1> That's a new knowledge to me, Thanks :)
• 1457[07:07:48] <cafuego> I don't know anyone at puppetlabs anymore, so I think maybe you should file an issue on their bugtracker, so they can fix their repo.
• 1458[07:08:03] <Gr1> I will do that.
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• 1461[07:10:01] <Gr1> cafuego: austeregrim: TomTomTosch: Thanks a lot friends :)
• 1462[07:10:16] <austeregrim> would a --force do the update?
• 1463[07:10:22] <austeregrim> just out of curiosity
• 1464[07:10:38] <Gr1> Nope. That's the first thing I did :D
• 1465[07:10:41] <austeregrim> just reading the man
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• 1467[07:11:06] <Gr1> apt-get --force-yes update
• 1468[07:11:10] <Gr1> didn't work
• 1469[07:11:22] <austeregrim> seems like it would accept "potentially dangerous" options like a insecure release file
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• 1473[07:12:12] <Gr1> It allows downgrades of packages, and hence considered dangerous, as per their man.
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• 1476[07:14:46] <austeregrim> freplaced-url
• 1477[07:15:21] <austeregrim> replaced-url
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• 1481[07:16:59] <austeregrim> gr1, what are you on? jessie?
• 1482[07:17:42] <Gr1> I have both jessie and stretch.
• 1483[07:18:12] <austeregrim> stretch is "testing" right?
• 1484[07:18:21] <Gr1> Yep
• 1485[07:18:24] <Gr1> stretch is testing
• 1486[07:18:26] <TomTomTosch> Gr1, i hope not on the same machine.
• 1487[07:18:33] <Gr1> Nope :D
• 1488[07:19:08] <austeregrim> are you using their apt.puppetlabs.com as the source?
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• 1497[07:24:16] <austeregrim> Gr1, replaced-url
• 1498[07:24:31] <austeregrim> check the last line of that
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• 1502[07:26:52] <austeregrim> oh well, I'm going to bed.
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• 1511[07:29:34] <Gr1> Checking austeregrim.
• 1512[07:29:36] <Gr1> Thanks
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• 1601[08:23:48] <pidgin> hello I have made of start page my default page on iceweasel but I still get cookies from google
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• 1757[09:41:50] <bazhang> hi
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• 1765[09:46:44] <jokus> Hi, would it be right to ask here about a debian(squeeze) vm not booting up ?
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• 1895[10:33:02] <scatterp-> hi can someone give me some advice I have a server thats not physically under my control and I need to run some sensitive stuff on it I want to do something like turn off logging create an encrypted volume (file in /home) chroot to the encrypted volume do everything there .. unmount is this possible/safe ?
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• 1904[10:35:39] <l3archos> hey all. I am running Debian Jessie up-to-date and my issue is that the SPEAKER slider in ALSA MIXER is set to minimum (=OFF). Every time I reboot I have to start ALSA MIXER and raise this slider else I do not have sound. How can I save this setting? The issue occured after I upgraded to latest Debian Jessie
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• 1906[10:36:10] <l3archos> it's HDA INTEL PCH
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• 1915[10:40:07] <kais58> I'm seeing this when I try to run apt-get update replaced-url
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• 1921[10:42:06] <poffs> it takes about 30 seconds for the route command to display the routes. is something broken?
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• 1923[10:42:41] <koollman> poffs: probably dns
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• 1925[10:42:44] <poffs> i'm having issues getting dnscrypt to work... it appears to have connected to the server, and I have no firewall events, yet I can't resolve anything
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• 1927[10:43:01] <koollman> poffs: is 'route -n' fast ?
• 1928[10:43:02] <poffs> koollman, ah, that makes sense, since i can't resolve anything
• 1929[10:43:15] <poffs> koollman, yeah. alright. dns
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• 1943[10:46:27] <afx237> i just started getting warnings on one of my servers that the SSH known_hosts key has changed. anyone know if any recent debian updates could have done that?
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• 1980[10:57:40] <Cloudwalker42> Hello :)
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• 1984[10:59:14] <Cloudwalker42> someone here ? :)
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• 1996[11:02:45] <Cloudwalker42> Hello
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• 2000[11:03:55] <SPF> !ask
• 2001[11:03:55] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2008[11:05:27] <Cloudwalker42> !ask
• 2009[11:05:27] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2013[11:06:18] <l3archos> hey all. I am running Debian Jessie up-to-date and my issue is that the SPEAKER slider in ALSA MIXER is set to minimum (=OFF). Every time I reboot I have to start ALSA MIXER and raise this slider else I do not have sound. How can I save this setting? The issue occured after I upgraded to latest Debian Jessie
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• 2030[11:11:38] <Cloudwalker42> Hey @all, can someone please post a current sources.list of a debian 6 server. After the EOL of it I got errors during runinng and apt-get update. Im not sure how to modifiy the sources.list that the 404 error disappear
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• 2033[11:13:56] <Cloudwalker42> Do someone else has the problems updatting a debian 6 server ?
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• 2036[11:14:48] <Cloudwalker42> !help
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• 2043[11:18:10] <humbot> have you seen this: replaced-url
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• 2045[11:19:12] <humbot> if you still have difficulties post your sources.list and your sources.list.d/*.list to a pastebin and hopefully someone will look
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• 2051[11:22:20] <humbot> i believe you need to change those files and do a dist-upgrade, the debian6 repositories have been moved Cloudwalker42 ^^^
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• 2054[11:23:02] <Cloudwalker42> Thx Humbot
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• 2057[11:23:27] <Cloudwalker42> im a bit confused how many users are in this channel and how many of themr really chat
• 2058[11:23:36] <Cloudwalker42> im new in thr irc/linux world ^^
• 2059[11:24:07] <humbot> some are bots and some are asleep, connected through vps or such
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• 2061[11:24:30] <Cloudwalker42> A dist-upgrade is a big think for me because i administrate several systems with an huge software enviroment
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• 2063[11:24:46] <rory> Cloudwalker42: Most of them are disconnected, idle or whaever
• 2064[11:24:52] <Cloudwalker42> This isnt that easy for me.
• 2065[11:24:59] <rory> Cloudwalker42: A lot of people don't join channels as-and-when, they just stay in them 24/7
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• 2067[11:25:18] <Cloudwalker42> damn they are like zombies :D
• 2068[11:25:39] <humbot> there is another #debian on the oftc irc network too,
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• 2070[11:26:07] <Cloudwalker42> and this #debian is more visited by active users @humbot ?
• 2071[11:26:27] <humbot> i assume it depends on time zone
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• 2073[11:26:39] <r6ku> it does
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• 2075[11:26:51] <Cloudwalker42> CET btw :/
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• 2079[11:28:04] <dcpc007> Hi, i migrate a subversion + apache + web_dav from old Centos to Debian 7 but a big problem with external access (502 bad gateway)
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• 2082[11:28:43] <dcpc007> i already find a solution like RequestHeader edit Destination ^https: http early but always same error from external link
• 2083[11:28:48] <dcpc007> internal is all OK
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• 2085[11:29:46] <dcpc007> does anyone know that configs ? (and apache config different in Debian when we come from Centos :-( )
• 2086[11:29:50] <Cloudwalker42> Can someone please check my sources.list and sources.list.d on pastebin. replaced-url
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• 2089[11:30:32] <rozie> Cloudwalker42: squeeze may not be supported yet.
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• 2091[11:30:50] <rozie> so it can not be on mirrors. at least not on all
• 2092[11:30:57] <rozie> try archive.debian.org
• 2093[11:31:18] <r6ku> squeeze got EOL'd just recently
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• 2095[11:31:45] <rozie> Cloudwalker42: upgrade at least to wheezy ASAP
• 2096[11:31:46] <Cloudwalker42> thx ... yeah i know .. but i dont figured out what must be changed on the sources list or the sources.list.d
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• 2100[11:32:24] <Cloudwalker42> a dist-upgrade isnt that easy on the regarding system
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• 2118[11:40:22] <Cloudwalker42> @rozie i replaced 'replaced-url
• 2119[11:41:09] <Cloudwalker42> @rozie thank you very much :) !!! You're the best!
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• 2124[11:43:00] <Cloudwalker42> :)
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• 2139[11:48:12] <meldron> hey guys, anybody knows the best way to install intel-linux-graphics-installer on debian jessie so I can use the xeon on dice gpu?
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• 2145[11:50:20] <rozie> Cloudwalker42: it's not a solution. it's just workaround. squeeze is NOT updated. not even most critical security bugs
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• 2157[11:55:12] <r6ku> meldron: so your igpu wasn't supported out of the box? did you try using the intel driver in debian backports?
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• 2166[11:59:22] <meldron> r6ku: no i did not, can you give me some details on how to get it?
• 2167[11:59:49] <r6ku> meldron: replaced-url
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• 2178[12:05:23] <r6ku> meldron: iirc you might need a newer kernel from backports too, not sure though
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• 2180[12:06:00] <bumbar_> is there a way to rotate uploaded files (using scp for example); suppose there's file.txt on target machine, and i'd upload another file with same name, then i want the original file to be moved to something like file.txt.1
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• 2182[12:06:24] <meldron> r6ku: thanks, so just to make myself clear i'm looking for lspci output something lik this : 'Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller'
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• 2184[12:06:38] <Cloudwalker42> @rozie yeah .. I will send a mail to our customers to inform that ... i also think that a dist-upgrade will be necessary
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• 2211[12:16:08] <utrack> epsilon: via JBOD, right? It won't add any overhead?
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• 2231[12:25:24] <sly01> hi guys
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• 2233[12:25:49] <sly01> Anyone tried to install teamviewer 11 64bit on debian jessie 8
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• 2241[12:28:59] <epsilon> utrack: depends on your controller, but usually there is always an option to run single disk, like physical disk -> logical disk -> JBOD/RAID...
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• 2243[12:31:53] <sly01> anyone ?
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• 2256[12:42:23] <rory> sly01: Why not ask your next question (your real question) and find out?
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• 2258[12:43:13] <aborrero> is there any way to configure a workstation to query different DNS servers depending on the domain of the query?
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• 2261[12:44:57] <mous> hello i have question about systemd in the current debian before systemd when i restarted a service it reported status if it restarted or failed but for some reason its not doing it now is there some config i need to change or i should make alias to handle this?
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• 2270[12:51:25] <Iridos> aborrero, it's the job of the dns server to forward these, right?
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• 2273[12:52:18] <aborrero> Iridos: you would address the issue in a DNS server using some forwarding policy, right?
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• 2277[12:53:02] <Iridos> yes, guess so. I luckily didn't have much to do with bind9
• 2278[12:53:37] <Iridos> but as far as I know there's no easy configuration way to do it on a machine, except setting up a dns server that does it...
• 2279[12:53:50] <Iridos> of course everything could be done with LD_PRELOAD or other hacks
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• 2283[12:54:45] <Iridos> mous, it prints an error for me: systemctl start xxx --> Job for xxx failed. See 'systemctl status xxx' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
• 2284[12:54:46] <aborrero> I see, thanks Iridos
• 2285[12:55:10] <Iridos> hmm
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• 2289[12:55:48] <Iridos> aborrero, but have a look at man nsswitch.conf - if there's a place to do it, then probably there
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• 2291[12:56:20] <aborrero> ok thanks
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• 2293[12:56:35] <Iridos> (but I doubt it, because dns server are configured in resolv.conf, not there, so I don't see how that could work)
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• 2298[12:58:29] <malademental> Hi everybody, I compiled debian's kernel with make deb-pkg but did it on a folder that had the wrong permissions (due to a lack of space I had to do it on an NTFS filesystem - shame on me)
• 2299[12:58:38] <Iridos> aborrero, well, also a bit man resolv.conf ... there are options one can set, but none do anything the like.
• 2300[12:59:10] <malademental> my question is : how to make then command "make deb-pkg" resume after the error and not begin by cleaning and re-compiling everything that was already compiled (error happens in "INSTALL" step)
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• 2305[13:00:28] <mous> Iridos, even when its OK?
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• 2310[13:04:02] <mous> because when i start a service and it fails it does not print anything
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• 2312[13:04:18] <aborrero> thanks Iridos
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• 2349[13:20:49] <poffs> ssh tcp forwarding issue..... "bind: Cannot assign requested address"
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• 2356[13:23:47] <fnstudio> hi, do you happen to have a `CryptoToken Component Extension` installed in your Chromium?
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• 2385[13:32:56] <plasmoduck> Hey guys I setup my VPN using network-manager, when I connect to it and go to 'whatismyip.com' in my web browser it isn't going through the VPN, shows me normal IP?
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• 2391[13:34:25] <grawity> it depends on the VPN
• 2392[13:34:35] <grawity> corporate VPNs often only push routes for their own network, not for everything
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• 2394[13:35:36] <plasmoduck> It's one called VyprVPN replaced-url
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• 2398[13:36:37] <plasmoduck> I was using it in Windows with it's proprietary app and it worked fine system wide, then I just configured it in Debian using this guide replaced-url
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• 2440[13:50:39] <DebbyTest4> Hello :)
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• 2443[13:51:51] <DebbyTest4> I want to setup a local dns in this way: by default it don't resolve and block all domains, but i have a big list of exception that are resolved by an external dns
• 2444[13:52:10] <DebbyTest4> Is something i can achieve with bind or i have to look for other piece of software ?
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• 2453[13:54:56] <teraflops> bumbar_: you can do that e.g with unbound
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• 2455[13:56:18] <teraflops> DebbyTest4: also with a custom host file as you pointed above, kinda handcrafted ab-block site
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• 2458[13:56:56] <DebbyTest4> teraflops: yeah, is something that i want to achieve, an hardware adblock/tracking/stuff :p
• 2459[13:57:12] <DebbyTest4> teraflops: there are some guides already created out of there? :)
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• 2464[13:58:59] <teraflops> DebbyTest4: hmm i guess so, lemme check
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• 2466[13:59:14] <teraflops> I did time ago
• 2467[13:59:50] <DebbyTest4> teraflops: i would like an approach like, block all, keep only the main trusted websites i need and also ipblock all the countries i don't need, basically for my daily work i need just few european servers, i can block the rest of the internet.
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• 2470[14:00:36] <p0g0> DebbyTest4: look for a "whitelist" add-on.
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• 2472[14:00:46] <teraflops> DebbyTest4: you want to block by countries, you better do that via iptables
• 2473[14:00:53] <DebbyTest4> teraflops: i would like do it both
• 2474[14:01:01] <DebbyTest4> teraflops: first a layer of iptables for country block
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• 2480[14:01:51] <DebbyTest4> teraflops: then also put in nullroute the domains outside a certain list, because dns is effective only if i connect from my side, the ip block is useful for incoming connections also
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• 2482[14:02:23] <teraflops> DebbyTest4: with unbound: replaced-url
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• 2492[14:02:57] <teraflops> DebbyTest4: search there for "Blocking" youll see the example
• 2493[14:03:22] <DebbyTest4> teraflops: thank you very much man :)
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• 2495[14:03:33] <teraflops> DebbyTest4: np
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• 2502[14:05:29] <Iridos> how do you export variables you set in crontab properly? Is that supposed to happen automatically just by setting them?
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• 2509[14:07:02] <Iridos> oh, it's the ssh failing, not the internal auth
• 2510[14:07:21] <teraflops> hmm, * * * * VAR=whatever /usr/bin/foo whatever?
• 2511[14:07:23] <teraflops> ah
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• 2513[14:07:45] <Iridos> nono, you can just do VAR=whatever in the preamble of crontab
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• 2515[14:08:03] <Iridos> but it's all a bit weird, because crontab does it and not a shell
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• 2517[14:08:33] <Iridos> so var=xyz works, but var=$HOME/bla sets var to be $HOME/bla and doesn't substitute
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• 2524[14:09:13] <Iridos> but on the other hand var=~/bla works, apparently because the whole thing is sent through a shell later where ~ is expande (but $HOME is not)
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• 2526[14:10:18] <teraflops> bash/ash related? idk
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• 2531[14:11:51] <plasmoduck> Hey guys I how do I fix this? I get it everytime I try and install something replaced-url
• 2532[14:11:52] <teraflops> sh*
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• 2541[14:15:57] <dagb> What is the appropriate way to determine the current kernel version of Debian 7? Prior to installation...
• 2542[14:16:53] <dagb> I see wheezy-backports has a 3.16 version, while plain wheezy has 3.2+46
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• 2544[14:18:17] <TomTomTosch> dagb, if you have a clean install you will have the 3.2 kernel.
• 2545[14:18:36] <dagb> Are there any catches to installing from -backports?
• 2546[14:18:41] <dagb> TomTomTosch: thanks
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• 2551[14:19:26] <TomTomTosch> both kernels will probably work just fine.
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• 2559[14:21:28] <TomTomTosch> dagb, it's just that debian gets no new features after release, so newer kernels don't get forced through updates but are optional with backports.
• 2560[14:21:50] <dagb> TomTomTosch: Is there a straightforward method to find out what version of a specific driver is present in a given kernel image? Download the source tarball and browse the source?
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• 2566[14:23:53] <plasmoduck> Hey guys I how do I fix this? I get it everytime I try and install something replaced-url
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• 2574[14:25:46] <themill> plasmoduck: whatever vyprvpn is (it is not in debian), it ships a broken maintainer script. It looks like a package designed for ubuntu not debian.
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• 2577[14:27:21] <plasmoduck> How do I remove it?
• 2578[14:27:24] <plasmoduck> and fix apt
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• 2584[14:28:29] <bex3727> dagb: you could use replaced-url
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• 2595[14:30:51] <dagb> bex3727: thank you. that was a useful suggestion.
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• 2598[14:31:39] <dagb> to what extent will the debian kernel maintainers backport drivers from later kernels?
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• 2602[14:32:36] <themill> plasmoduck: well if you think the package is likely to work, try editing the postinst; otherwise, remove the package.
• 2603[14:32:44] <humbot> ,xsnow
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• 2605[14:33:57] <humbot> it's only available for amd64 :(
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• 2608[14:34:08] <humbot> ,v xsnow
• 2609[14:34:09] <judd> Package: xsnow on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 1:1.42-9; sid/non-free: 1:1.42-9; wheezy/non-free: 1:1.42-9; stretch/non-free: 1:1.42-9
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• 2622[14:37:39] <themill> humbot: non-free software is often only available for a limited set of architectures
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• 2629[14:39:42] <TomTomTosch> dagb, i don't think firmware is being backported, only security patches. you will have all the details in the package docs though. there is a changelog.Debian.gz file i every /usr/share/doc/<package> where you can see what has been done.
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• 2631[14:40:13] <TomTomTosch> s/i/in
• 2632[14:41:11] <dagb> not firmware. kernel driver version
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• 2636[14:41:42] <dagb> TomTomTosch: but thanks. I'll see if I can download the source with git
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• 2640[14:45:12] <TomTomTosch> yes, you will be able to see that in /usr/share/doc/linux-image-x/changelog.Debian.gz but as i said, i doubt they added anything since release.
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• 2647[14:49:01] <Iridos> dagb, only security/bugfixes are backported into the kernel in stable, no features. You can use a newer kernel from the backports archive if you need them.
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• 2658[14:52:52] <antena-cli> Where can I find those options or equivalent in Debian 8.3.0? replaced-url
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• 2660[14:53:10] <antena-cli> I'm using Cinnamon.
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• 2676[14:58:02] <Iridos> antena-cli, gnu/linux isn't windows. if you have an actual problem, please describe the problem.
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• 2683[15:02:28] <Iridos> to give a literal answer, which you will not find useful: -a
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• 2691[15:03:54] <Iridos> !next
• 2692[15:03:55] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 2705[15:08:58] <maxorator> okay, so got a black screen in a virtual machine, shut it down, now all I have is tty1-tty6, ctrl+alt+f7 does absolutely nothing, "ps aux | grep x" indicates no x server is running
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• 2715[15:12:23] <maxorator> all I had done earlier was apt-get upgrade, on testing release channel
• 2716[15:12:28] <jdavila> how i know if* a user have the permission to log in?
• 2717[15:13:37] <TomTomTosch> !debian-next
• 2718[15:13:37] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2720[15:13:49] <TomTomTosch> maxorator you will get better help there ^
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• 2724[15:14:32] <markybob> damn. i missed my main job :(
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• 2737[15:17:09] <TomTomTosch> tehehe replaced ya, old man :P
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• 2752[15:20:57] <TomTomTosch> jdavila, you want to know if a user account is locked? passwd -S <user>
• 2753[15:21:16] <jdavila> Yes TomTomTosch
• 2754[15:21:26] <jdavila> lent me see
• 2755[15:22:04] <jdavila> How i undo passwd -l <userr>?
• 2756[15:22:06] <par> Hi. is there a way to reinstall machine remotely without using any of typical ipmi tools to mount remote images? Some kind of net installer which would activate on reboot automatically.
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• 2758[15:22:36] <TomTomTosch> jdavila -u to unlock. just read man passwd.
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• 2761[15:22:55] <jdavila> thank you TomTomTosch
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• 2763[15:23:17] <TomTomTosch> jdavila, no problemo.
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• 2788[15:35:34] <Ange7> hey all
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• 2790[15:36:01] <Ange7> i have inverted my trackpad, need to click to right to make a left click, click to the left to make right a click and need to click to move cursor
• 2791[15:36:14] <Ange7> Someone know to set by default ?
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• 2796[15:37:23] <blind> Ange7: What graphical environment are you using?
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• 2800[15:38:20] <hazz> hello debian, i would like to contribute, how do i go about doing so??
• 2801[15:38:33] <hazz> i have subscribed to news and devel-announce, what's the next step?
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• 2805[15:39:59] <Ange7> blind: gnoem
• 2806[15:40:01] <Ange7> gnome
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• 2809[15:40:27] <nkuttler> hazz: read the bug reports for packages you use and see if you can send patches?
• 2810[15:41:01] <markybob> hazz: you can do a lot of things. edit the wiki. become a developer and make packages. donate money
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• 2818[15:42:55] <Ange7> Ok found: FN + F7 disabled trackpad
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• 2823[15:43:26] <markybob> hazz: basically read replaced-url
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• 2830[15:46:02] <hazz> markybob: yes i've read /devel/join and /devel
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• 2832[15:47:23] <TomTomTosch> your best bet is probably to do some work and find a sponsor.
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• 2836[15:48:28] <hazz> markybob: i'm just left confused is all. i'm not a maintainer or developer (for debian).
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• 2840[15:49:25] <hazz> consider me absolutely new here (but not to programming or software development)
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• 2842[15:49:39] <hazz> and i'm looking for where to start today
• 2843[15:49:47] <jelly-home> ,v initramfs-tools
• 2844[15:49:48] <judd> Package: initramfs-tools on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.98.8; squeeze-backports: 0.109.1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.109.1; wheezy-backports: 0.115~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.120; jessie-proposed-updates: 0.120+deb8u1; sid: 0.123; stretch: 0.123
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• 2847[15:50:04] <markybob> !tell hazz about mentors
• 2848[15:50:33] <hazz> what about mentors?
• 2849[15:50:40] <hazz> should i ask on debian-mentors?
• 2850[15:50:46] <markybob> hazz: the bot should've /msg'd you something
• 2851[15:50:49] <markybob> yes
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• 2853[15:51:02] <markybob> hazz: note it's not on freenode
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• 2855[15:51:52] <hazz> there is a debian-mentors on freenode, i'm on it now
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• 2857[15:52:18] <julius> hi
• 2858[15:52:26] <TomTomTosch> hazz, go one line back :P
• 2859[15:52:38] <TomTomTosch> hazz, the debian administrator's handbook has a nice bit about this in their first or second chapter.
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• 2867[15:55:49] <hazz> tomtom: well how do i do some work and find a sponsor?
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• 2869[15:56:19] <hazz> say i wanted to work on bugfixes?
• 2870[15:56:38] <markybob> hazz: then you don't need one. just file bug reports with patches
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• 2874[15:56:58] <hazz> markybob: how do i do that?
• 2875[15:57:12] <markybob> !reportbug
• 2876[15:57:12] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, replaced-url
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• 2880[15:57:33] <hazz> good place to start?
• 2881[15:57:34] <hazz> replaced-url
• 2882[15:57:35] <hazz> ?
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• 2884[15:57:42] <markybob> hazz: yes
• 2885[15:57:42] <twoten> I'm installing webmin on Jessie and it's stuck with a catch 22 dependency circle with apt-show-versions. How can I get these 2 to install?
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• 2891[16:00:43] <hazz> markybob: ok i will check that out
• 2892[16:00:48] <hazz> thanks
• 2893[16:00:51] <hazz> markybob:
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• 2895[16:01:26] <hazz> also,
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• 2901[16:04:08] <bumbar_> how can i make ssh-agent "persistent" (every time i login i have to start it manually)?
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• 2904[16:05:45] <markybob> bumbar_: i suppose you could add it to ~/.bashrc
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• 2906[16:05:59] <TomTomTosch> but... why...
• 2907[16:06:05] <markybob> i have no idea
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• 2910[16:07:33] <bumbar_> i've set up a user, using ssh keys, for backup automation, and since key has a passphrase, it asks for it everytime
• 2911[16:08:27] <markybob> no that makes no sense
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• 2913[16:08:37] <bumbar_> let me try again: i have a user, which will connect to a remote machine (using ssh key, and this key has a passphrase), to send backups
• 2914[16:08:43] <babilen> Who will enter the passphrase?
• 2915[16:09:00] <TomTomTosch> bumbar_, you can put your ssh key in authorized_keys so you don't need to enter the passphrase on connect.
• 2916[16:09:11] <bumbar_> i did, but it keeps asking
• 2917[16:09:20] <babilen> TomTomTosch: Sure you do, you have to unlock the key
• 2918[16:09:29] <markybob> why are you using a password with a key?
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• 2920[16:09:44] * babilen changes that to "a key with a passphrase"
• 2921[16:09:45] <blind> The key has its passphrase
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• 2923[16:09:48] <bumbar_> no, the key is passphrase locked
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• 2926[16:10:10] <markybob> why
• 2927[16:10:11] <babilen> bumbar_: So, you login .. add the key to your ssh-agent and you are done
• 2928[16:10:17] <babilen> You have to enter the passphrase
• 2929[16:10:27] <babilen> If you don't want that then don't use a passphrase
• 2930[16:10:37] <bumbar_> and how will i automate this? wake up at 3 in the night to enter the passphrase?
• 2931[16:10:54] <markybob> bumbar_: you fail to answer why
• 2932[16:11:10] <TomTomTosch> babilen, you are right, i meant a password :3
• 2933[16:11:35] <babilen> bumbar_: No, you unlock the key *once*, add it to ssh-agent with "ssh-add" and then you don't have to enter the passphrase when you connect
• 2934[16:11:36] <bumbar_> markybob, so i can run it as cron job
• 2935[16:11:42] <markybob> this is a silly endeavor
• 2936[16:11:49] <markybob> bumbar_: just use a key. no password
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• 2939[16:12:27] <babilen> It's not about the password, but the passphrase of the key
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• 2942[16:13:10] <babilen> bumbar_: Are you using "ssh-add" ?
• 2943[16:13:13] <TomTomTosch> generate one without a passphrase like markybob said.
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• 2950[16:14:32] <bumbar_> babilen, i did, but i have to do it every time i login as that user
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• 2954[16:15:42] <bumbar_> i ran ssh-add, says it couldn't connect to agent, then i do "eval $(ssh-agent); ssh-add" enter passphrase, ssh to remote machine, close connection, exit user, su user and when i try to ssh it asks for passphrase again
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• 2956[16:15:54] <babilen> bumbar_: Yes, that is the nature of it. You have to enter that passphrase before you can use the key. If you don't want that then, as noted earlier, use a key without a passphrase.
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• 2963[16:18:05] <babilen> bumbar_: You can use the key as long as ssh-agent keeps on running. If you logout and ssh-agent is being stopped by that then ssh-agent can no longer work.
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• 2967[16:18:49] <babilen> It's like closing a bar, throwing out all customers and the baarkeeper and then asking them why he doesn't serve you another G&T
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• 2969[16:20:24] <Cloudwalker42> I need some help regarding the EOL of the LTS from Debian Squeeze. In my company is a server which serves as our internal debian repository. This server mirror the whole Debian-Archive incl. unstable releases and and and. .. I need to confugre that machine that it maps to archive.debian.de insteed of ftp.debian.de but i don't know where to do this?! Can someone help me please.. its also possible if n
• 2970[16:20:30] <Cloudwalker42> eeded that I provide an xport out of the installed packages or someting like that. I don't have a idea how this server works.
• 2971[16:20:34] <Cloudwalker42> thanks very much
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• 2973[16:20:49] <Cloudwalker42> in advance
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• 2977[16:21:47] <babilen> Cloudwalker42: You do have debmirror running?
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• 2979[16:22:42] <karlpinc> The good news is I figured out an easier way to get the system to fsck at boot. Use tune2fs -C to set the mount count > the maximimal mount count (which is visible by "tune2fs -l". This is much easier (and safer if you need a fsck) than, say, frobbing /etc/default/grub and adding fsck.mode=force.
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• 2981[16:22:49] <T4ng10r> hi
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• 2984[16:23:06] <T4ng10r> debian, testing with iceweasel v. 44.0.2
• 2985[16:23:13] <babilen> karlpinc: You can "touch /forcefsck"
• 2986[16:23:24] <T4ng10r> how can I downgrade iceweasel to ie. 43.0.0?
• 2987[16:23:40] <babilen> karlpinc: Or run "shutdown -F ...."
• 2988[16:23:43] <markybob> T4ng10r: testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, not here
• 2989[16:23:44] <T4ng10r> when apt-cache showpkg iceweasel shows only 44.0.2 version available?
• 2990[16:24:00] <markybob> TomTomTosch: got it this time :P
• 2991[16:24:04] <karlpinc> The bad news is that I couldn't get fsck.mode=force to check my root fs! I edited the kernel command line at boot in grub. Added "fsck.mode=force". the only thing that got fscked is /boot. not /. Is there anything I did wrong here?
• 2992[16:24:18] <karlpinc> babilen: Those methods don't work with systemd, AFIK.
• 2993[16:24:19] <dontknow> T4ng10r, look at /var/cache/apt/archives and install it from there
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• 2996[16:24:34] <babilen> karlpinc: Oh noooo!
• 2997[16:24:49] <karlpinc> babilen: Oh yes. (!)
• 2998[16:24:53] <babilen> fuckers
• 2999[16:25:03] <babilen> What was it replaced with?
• 3000[16:25:09] <karlpinc> babilen: Unstoppable fuckers, it seems.
• 3001[16:25:19] <babilen> But doesn't systemd still run /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh ?
• 3002[16:25:22] <Cloudwalker42> babilen: im not shure how can i figure it out
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• 3004[16:25:40] <babilen> Cloudwalker42: That's okay .. Do you have access to the server in question?
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• 3006[16:25:56] <Sick> anyone know how I can install Teamspeak 3 client in Debian stretch? Tried to google.... but came up empty.
• 3007[16:26:02] <karlpinc> babilen: "man systemd-fsck-root.service". You have to frob the kernel command line. In other words, there is no replacment.
• 3008[16:26:08] <T4ng10r> I cleared cached some time ago - find . -name '*iceweasel*' shows nothing
• 3009[16:26:26] <karlpinc> babilen: fsck.mode=force
• 3010[16:26:26] <Cloudwalker42> babilen: yes yes i have access via ssh
• 3011[16:26:26] <babilen> karlpinc: That's quite sad .. sorry for leading you astray
• 3012[16:26:27] <markybob> T4ng10r: already told you it's not supported here per /topic
• 3013[16:26:48] <T4ng10r> ok
• 3014[16:26:52] <karlpinc> babilen: Who'd have thought?
• 3015[16:27:12] <jelly-home> karlpinc: except #811425
• 3016[16:27:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 3017[16:27:23] <karlpinc> !tell Sick about debian-next
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• 3020[16:28:27] <jelly-home> the fixed package is in jessie-proposed-updates now
• 3021[16:28:54] <karlpinc> jelly-home: Thanks. It's good to know it's on somebody's radar.
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• 3024[16:29:28] <babilen> Cloudwalker42: Okay, could you check all users crontabs for mentions of "mirror"? A way to do that would be to run "grep -r mirror /var/spool/cron/crontabs/" and "grep -r mirror /etc/cron*"
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• 3027[16:30:13] <karlpinc> jelly-home: (I still like the tune2fs -C approach better than frobbing the kernel command line. Although I suppose it's not so bad if done from the grub prompt. Even so, messing with the kernel command line is harder to tell somebody how to do here.)
• 3028[16:30:20] <jelly-home> I wish there was backwards compatibility for FSCKFIX=yes in /etc/default/rcS but a boot param is good enough
• 3029[16:30:29] <babilen> Cloudwalker42: You should also check the physical location of the mirror on disk. Maybe there is some indication as to which tool is being used to set it up.
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• 3031[16:30:45] <jelly-home> FSCKFIX has been there for more than a decade
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• 3033[16:32:30] <karlpinc> jelly-home: SYSV has been there longer than that! ;-) (I don't mind change, but all the regressions suck.)
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• 3035[16:33:16] <Cloudwalker42> babilen: hmm nothing found ... maybe i can show you a list of all applications which are installed ?
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• 3037[16:33:29] <ledoktre2> greetings y'all. A quick question. I have a few systems where I'm using bind9 packages and doing local resolution, with dns forwarders setup for other resoultion. If someone has a DSL conection and it goes out for a little bit, forwarding requests obviously wont work when down, but when it comes back on, it still doesnt work. Anyone heard of this before
• 3038[16:33:30] <karlpinc> (Somebody here the other day wanted to run something at rcS time. I couldn't answer....)
• 3039[16:33:45] <babilen> Cloudwalker42: Check for anything with "mirror" in its name
• 3040[16:33:56] <jelly-home> karlpinc: it's only after 8.2 that I consider jessie w/ systemd good enough to be installed even on servers
• 3041[16:34:02] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: Probably negative ttl.
• 3042[16:35:09] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: There's a knob you can turn.
• 3043[16:35:23] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: local resolution works fine regardless - are you talking some default setting etc? Obviously cant control the TTL for domains not authorative for
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• 3046[16:35:28] <ledoktre2> A knob eh?
• 3047[16:35:32] <ledoktre2> lol
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• 3051[16:35:39] <karlpinc> jelly-home: Which is so odd, considering how long systemd's been around.
• 3052[16:35:53] <Cloudwalker42> babilen: there is a package called "mini-dinstall" not found under the grepping of "mirror" but under the grepping of "repo.."
• 3053[16:36:15] <babilen> Cloudwalker42: That would be it
• 3054[16:36:16] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: Negative ttl is a ttl on negative lookups. In other words, it remembers it can't find it and does not try again for a while.
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• 3057[16:36:47] <jelly-home> karlpinc: it's probably not been around debian nearly as long as it should have been
• 3058[16:37:10] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: would what your suggesting be for individual domains or all? What Im talking about is all
• 3059[16:37:12] <Cloudwalker42> babilen: thx very much i just search the config files and i am going to inform u if there are further problems.
• 3060[16:37:23] <karlpinc> jelly-home: It's been in fedora and RH forever. Why haven't they solved these issues?
• 3061[16:37:25] <jelly-home> each shiny new component still needs integration and bugs for dozens-hundreds of corner cases
• 3062[16:37:35] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: All.
• 3063[16:38:07] <karlpinc> jelly-home: Surely RH people want to fsck on reboot occasionally.
• 3064[16:38:10] <jelly-home> karlpinc: they probably have, but they're not debian and have different infrastructure and workflow and best practices
• 3065[16:38:36] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: sounds like its worth checking out ;-) googling (feel free to chime in with a bone)
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• 3067[16:38:57] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: Or are you saying that it simply does not do any dns, at all, after dsl comes back up?
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• 3070[16:39:15] <babilen> Cloudwalker42: replaced-url
• 3071[16:39:16] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: Read the bind9 manual. That'd be my apparoch.
• 3072[16:39:20] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: it does local, just wont forward any more requests until you powercycle bind9
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• 3074[16:40:05] <babilen> Cloudwalker42: You can't however use that for mirroring .. you might want to go through the list here: replaced-url
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• 3076[16:40:34] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: Not even something that nobody looks at? How long was the dsl down?
• 3077[16:40:54] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: maybe an hour
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• 3079[16:41:10] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: whatever they try to bring up, wont resolve.
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• 3081[16:41:41] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: dealing with one this morning. I could have sworn I found a resolution before but its been a w hile and I cant find my notes on it
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• 3084[16:42:00] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: Relying on "them" for accuracy is not always called for. If they try to call up some domain they've never heard of, does it come up?
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• 3086[16:42:02] <Cloudwalker42> babilen: thx thx :) very helpfull
• 3087[16:42:22] <ledoktre2> I am ssh'd into the server. I can try one myself.
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• 3089[16:43:06] <babilen> Cloudwalker42: We use debmirror here, but there are obviously other approaches. You'd basically have to remove squeeze from the "normal" configuration and add another, comparable, one for it with archive.debian.org -- I'd also host it at a different location (say "archive" rather than "debian" or "mirror" ..)
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• 3091[16:43:39] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: Have a result?
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• 3095[16:43:53] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: It seems to have come back on its own.
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• 3098[16:44:32] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: Consistent with negative ttl.
• 3099[16:44:37] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: I know that sounds odd. before I jumped on here and googled etc it would not resolve google.com (my first one I try usually). Now when testing what you said, it and the others I tried work
• 3100[16:44:38] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: After how long?
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• 3104[16:45:27] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: Ive been on it for about 30 min or so. I dont know how long its been out. I got on it when they called.
• 3105[16:45:30] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: If somebody else tried google.com while it was down, it'll remember and not try again. Until the negative ttl runs out. See about reducing the negative ttl time.
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• 3107[16:45:45] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: I will. thanks.
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• 3114[16:49:45] <khanley6> Hi there, I have a quick question regarding the broadcom wl driver. I currently have the driver installed (v248) through apt but it's filling my syslog with errors. The new version (v271) is supposed to fix that but I'm unsure about installing it. Is it possible to build the .ko, rmmod the old driver, drop the new .ko in /lib/modules/3.13.0-67-generic/updates/dkms/ where the current module is located and then insmod..?
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• 3117[16:50:09] <Naaab> hi, when i try to apt-get install, process get stuck at Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.0.2-5), and as result , /usr/bin/mandb: zcat < /usr/share/man/man1/zgrep.1.gz: Killed . the zgrep.1.gz is 8gb . is this normal size? any ideas how can i solve this? tks
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• 3121[16:51:05] <noid-> khanley6: is there a package version for v271? if not you will need to remove/purge the v248 driver and compile the v271 one.
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• 3128[16:52:02] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: I was actually incorrect. :-/. I had a second server open (one I thought I had implemented the "fix", trying to find it in config). I was pinging on the wrong box. This one still is down. Tried half dozen domains, no go.
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• 3134[16:54:19] <khanley6> noid: I have come across replaced-url
• 3135[16:54:29] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: a few lines whne trying to ping from /var/log/syslog : server named[7260]: error (network unreachable) resolving './NS/IN': 2001:503:c27::2:30#53
• 3136[16:54:31] <khanley6> noid: Thanks for the reply by the way
• 3137[16:54:35] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: It's got a forwarder, right? Does dig say the forwarder is responding?
• 3138[16:54:41] <twoten> Hi, I'm installing webmin and it failed - apt-show-versions is required but is not being installed. Okay so I install apt-show-versions and it fails because of webmin. How can I get these 2 jokers out of my apt-get queue so I can start again?
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• 3140[16:55:11] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: forwarders yes.
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• 3143[16:55:35] <ambs_> hi.
• 3144[16:55:39] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: ("ping -n" is your friend in these cases, with an IP. In case the network is broken.)
• 3145[16:55:39] <Pwnna> if a debian package's postinst script exit 1, what will be the state of the package after that?
• 3146[16:55:41] <ambs_> how can i install sdl on debian?
• 3147[16:55:41] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: It seems this box does not have dig on it.
• 3148[16:55:43] <Pwnna> will it still be installed?
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• 3151[16:55:54] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: Try "getent hosts"
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• 3156[16:56:27] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: Er, that won't work.
• 3157[16:56:32] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: nslookup?
• 3158[16:56:50] <ambs_> and how can i tell whether it is installed?
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• 3161[16:57:24] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: `ping -n 8.8.8.8` works fine
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• 3165[16:57:34] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: dont have nslookup on there either it seems
• 3166[16:57:43] <karlpinc> ambs_: What is sdl? Try looking at replaced-url
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• 3168[16:58:05] <ambs_> karlpinc: its a graphics library needed to run QEMU
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• 3170[16:58:08] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: A little hard to diagnose then. I guess you can assume that 8.8.8.8 is responding....
• 3171[16:58:10] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: I will just mod the nameserver quick to outside, install it, and be back. brb
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• 3175[16:58:38] <karlpinc> ambs_: Use apt-file to find then package and then "aptitude show foo" to see if it's installed?
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• 3178[16:58:44] <karlpinc> !tell ambs_ about search
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• 3182[16:59:14] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: You could alter /etc/resolv.conf to use 8.8.8.8 directly.
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• 3185[16:59:39] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: thats what I did. Crap. It just updated bind, so it cycled. My guess is it'll be working now
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• 3187[17:00:26] <johnfg> hi guys
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• 3189[17:00:39] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: yup - its working now. so what do you think might cause bind to quit trying to forward until you restart bind9?
• 3190[17:01:01] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: only happens or triggered when internet goes down (maintenance or whatever)
• 3191[17:01:10] <crystalraven> hello everybody, if i install chromium browser from the repo in debian does it upgrade with the sysem upgrader when a new chromium browser version is released?
• 3192[17:01:12] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: I was hoping to find out. ;-)
• 3193[17:01:25] <karlpinc> !tell crystalraven about stable
• 3194[17:01:28] <johnfg> I did a dist-upgrade to get the latest kernel. But it has a repeated error of: Error! Could not locate dkms.conf file. File: does not exist.
• 3195[17:01:32] <mtn> crystalraven: yes
• 3196[17:01:56] <karlpinc> crystalraven: Or no, depending on what you mean.
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• 3198[17:02:03] <johnfg> I don't remember needing to create that before.
• 3199[17:02:14] <mtn> chromium stays up to date in stable
• 3200[17:02:22] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: yea just talked to customer. just started working. :-( think the logs could indicate anything ?
• 3201[17:02:49] <karlpinc> !tell crystalraven about new code
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• 3203[17:02:59] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: Always a good idea to check.
• 3204[17:03:14] <johnfg> It's probably used for openafs, and I do have: /usr/src/openafs-1.6.9/dkms.conf.
• 3205[17:03:18] <johnfg> Any thoughts?
• 3206[17:03:19] <karlpinc> mtn: Oh ok. Thanks.
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• 3209[17:03:59] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: I'm curious, the dsl modem lock up and need power cycling, or was the network just down?
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• 3211[17:04:39] <ledoktre2> just down. Ive seen this happen at different locations. some of them cable even.
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• 3213[17:05:39] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: I get a lot of dsl modem lockups that are fixed by powercycle. You too or are the problems different where you are?
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• 3217[17:06:03] <crystalraven> mtn thanks good. i better run chromium than chrome, even tho its the same browser...
• 3218[17:06:38] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: Maybe bind has some resource limit that's stressed by the forwaer going down?
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• 3220[17:07:10] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: Yeah sometimes they need a power cycle. But typically not that often. Here is one line that started around 6am in the logs : validating @0x7fa5703bcbe0: com SOA: got insecure response; parent indicates it should be se cure
• 3221[17:07:40] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: I can see lots of lines like this for different domains.
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• 3226[17:08:48] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: Interesting. Could plausably be related. Especially if the ntework outage was partial and it can lookup but then can't verify the result. (I forget how that works.)
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• 3230[17:10:36] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: also seeing `No valid RSIG` and `No valid DS` lines
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• 3235[17:11:08] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: I am seeing lines for ipv6 too, almost like it switched over to ipv6 (which we dont have setup at all)
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• 3240[17:13:19] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: One thing to try is setting it so it never does AAAA lookups then. Although that probably won't matter, it does follow the principle of "fix the problems you know you can first and then deal with the rest".
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• 3245[17:14:01] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: I'm thinking you could simulate the problem in the "off hours" with a temporary firewall rule that blocks outbound.
• 3246[17:14:23] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: outbound dns.
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• 3249[17:14:51] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: You are probably quite right... I should do that. As for today, I assume if I just do -4 in the /etc/default/bind file it should limit to ipv4 correct?
• 3250[17:15:11] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: Sounds plausable. :-) It's not in my brain.
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• 3252[17:15:43] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: That might just limit it to listening on ipv4, but it could still respond to ipv6 lookup requests, or make them.
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• 3254[17:15:56] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: You'd have to read the instructions. :)
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• 3257[17:17:06] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: If you're going to debug. I'd leave everything alone and be sure you can reproduce the problem, then start making changes.
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• 3259[17:17:29] <ledoktre2> karlpinc: fair enough. I'll simulate one of these nights coming up. Thanks for the ideas.
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• 3264[17:18:44] <narhen> Is this the right place to ask about debian installation issues? more specifically grub
• 3265[17:19:02] <karlpinc> ledoktre2: There have bind bind vulnerabilties, so it's possible that upgrading fixed the problem. One had to do with remote denial of service. This really wishful thinking, it's probably some other issue.
• 3266[17:19:08] <r6ku> narhen: of course
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• 3282[17:22:58] <Aquarina> anyone aware of a bug in evolution meking it fail when connecting to gmail?
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• 3286[17:23:33] <Aquarina> this happens if I leave it opened for about 5 minutes
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• 3289[17:24:12] <Aquarina> I frequently have to do: evolution --force-shutdown to close it and reopen it again
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• 3296[17:25:45] <narhen> Ok so, I'm a bit lost. I never had any issues installing debian in the past, but I have this time. I'm trying to install debian in EFI mode, and everything goes like normal until the install grub step. which is where it fails
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• 3298[17:26:26] <narhen> without any error messages what so ever. is this a known problem; if so, is there a fix?
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• 3302[17:27:56] <narhen> I'm installing it on a Dell Precision M5510
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• 3308[17:29:19] <karlpinc> narhen: No clue. Try turning off "secure boot" in uefi. Or turning on "bios emulation". There's some factoid around here about uefi but I can't find it. Maybe there's a wiki.debian.org page?
• 3309[17:29:31] <karlpinc> narhen: Really, just throwing out ideas here.
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• 3315[17:31:24] <karlpinc> narhen: Does sound like something somebody here would know the answer to. If you don't get a response now try here again later.
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• 3321[17:31:49] <narhen> karlpinc, I'll try your uefi settings. thanks
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• 3326[17:32:07] <narhen> I found this; replaced-url
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• 3336[17:39:23] <narhen> so, secure boot was already disabled
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• 3346[17:42:37] <melt> Anyone able to install AMD Proprietary drivers on Jessie or Stretch MSG ME for MONEY
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• 3355[17:43:30] <wewlad_> hello debs, I've made some routing changes (hairpin nat), but for some reason it also affected ssh
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• 3357[17:43:43] <wewlad_> I can't connect to my debian server over ssh
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• 3359[17:44:00] <socomm> What does ssh -vvv give you?
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• 3362[17:44:32] <socomm> Are you forwarding your ssh port through NAT?
• 3363[17:44:34] <wewlad_> like a quick man page
• 3364[17:44:37] <wewlad_> no
• 3365[17:44:44] <wewlad_> ssh is direct connection
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• 3367[17:44:54] <socomm> Ummm, okay.
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• 3369[17:45:32] <wewlad_> is there any access log?
• 3370[17:45:36] <wewlad_> I get access denied
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• 3378[17:46:54] <wewlad_> ah, nvm
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• 3380[17:47:03] <socomm> wewlad_: /var/log/auth.log
• 3381[17:47:11] <wewlad_> I forgot I enabled firewall on client machine:/
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• 3405[17:53:50] <LordShadowWing> What's the Best virtualization platform for virtualizing a Windows 7 System? I do not have the Contrib/non-free repos enabled.
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• 3408[17:56:39] <jelly-home> LordShadowWing: can you enable them?
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• 3410[17:57:42] <LordShadowWing> jelly-home, I would rather not, out of principle
• 3411[17:57:57] <jelly-home> but you don't mind running windows.
• 3412[17:57:59] <jelly-home> okay.
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• 3425[18:03:17] <jelly-home> LordShadowWing: I guess you'll be looking at a kvm wrapper, then, so virt-manager and virt-viewer
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• 3427[18:04:12] <LordShadowWing> jelly-home, Thanks, I couldn't remember what it was called
• 3428[18:05:00] <jelly-home> from a friendliness PoV I'd rather still use virtualbox even if it Suggests: non-free iso additions, which you don't have to use or install
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• 3430[18:05:20] <jelly-home> so, pick your meaning of "best"
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• 3432[18:06:12] <jelly-home> software in contrib is still DFSG-compliant
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• 3452[18:12:04] <poffs> how do I use the "ssh -o Tunnel yes"
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• 3455[18:12:54] <poffs> got it; use ""
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• 3470[18:17:21] <poffs> can someone give me a quick breakdown on how to use the ssh tunnel option?
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• 3472[18:17:28] <poffs> i don't have control of the remote server
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• 3476[18:17:52] <poffs> i also need to figure out how to create a tun device that is suitable
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• 3479[18:18:33] <rastapopoulis> hey ppl
• 3480[18:18:34] <socomm> poffs: There is an #openssh channel on this network, m8.
• 3481[18:18:42] <poffs> socomm, ok
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• 3484[18:20:13] <rastapopoulis> I'm trying to flash the bios by following this article replaced-url
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• 3486[18:21:10] <zykotick9> rastapopoulis: ahhh, are you copying to a fat filesystem? that might explain the ownership error...
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• 3488[18:21:21] <rastapopoulis> yes
• 3489[18:21:41] <markybob> rastapopoulis: he's right. fat doesn't do linux permissions
• 3490[18:22:10] <LordShadowWing> jelly-home, Just enabled the Contrib and nonfree repos
• 3491[18:22:29] <LordShadowWing> Virtualbox is so much easier to deal with
• 3492[18:22:34] <rastapopoulis> should i ignore the error coz when i go to the freedos-new dir i see the file is already copies
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• 3494[18:22:42] <rastapopoulis> copied*
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• 3498[18:22:55] <karlpinc> rastapopoulis: yes
• 3499[18:23:04] <rastapopoulis> thanks
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• 3506[18:26:09] <LordShadowWing> rastapopoulis, Why are you running freedos?
• 3507[18:26:34] <rastapopoulis> I installed debian on my old machine which was not used for past three years
• 3508[18:26:40] <markybob> LordShadowWing: he has to
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• 3510[18:26:54] <rastapopoulis> and it seems that there was a bios update in that period when the machine was in an un-used state
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• 3513[18:27:54] <LordShadowWing> rebooting
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• 3546[18:39:12] <jelly-home> LordShadowWing: technically you don't need non-free, unless you really want the guest extensions
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• 3562[18:43:37] <zykotick9> jelly-home: virtualbox isn't in main anymore, it was moved to non-free...
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• 3565[18:44:38] <c0fe_machine> does debian support ZFS filesystem yet?
• 3566[18:44:42] <blind> virtualbox looks to be in contrib
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• 3568[18:44:56] <zykotick9> blind: ahh, thanks for the correction
• 3569[18:45:20] <socomm> c0fe_machine: Why wouldn't it?
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• 3572[18:45:41] <c0fe_machine> socomm: no idea
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• 3574[18:45:46] * zykotick9 doesn't have either contrib/non-free enabled, so "apt-cache search virtualbox" doesn't show anything relevant...
• 3575[18:45:55] <jelly-home> c0fe_machine: if you want zfsonlinux you still need to get it from ZoL people
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• 3579[18:46:18] <jelly-home> and zykotick9 also doesn't read backlog?
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• 3581[18:46:20] <jhg> hi
• 3582[18:46:26] <hiya> how to check in terminal if correct keyboard is set?
• 3583[18:46:29] <hiya> how to change it?
• 3584[18:46:31] <zykotick9> jelly-home: also true :(
• 3585[18:46:36] <jhg> hey does tor encrypt your data at all end points?
• 3586[18:46:39] <jhg> tor browser
• 3587[18:46:47] <socomm> jhg: #tor?
• 3588[18:46:55] <jhg> there is no tor channel
• 3589[18:46:55] <jelly-home> hiya: changing it, read /msg dpkg keymap
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• 3591[18:47:15] <socomm> jhg: I was just there, it redirects you to diff network.
• 3592[18:47:30] <jelly-home> !tor
• 3593[18:47:30] <dpkg> The Onion Router (Tor) is a low-latency anonymous communication system. Packaged for Debian, only enables the onion proxy by default. For use on OFTC, ask me about <oftc tor>. Tor is not allowed on freenode's #debian (replaced-url
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• 3595[18:47:38] <jelly-home> ^^ the channel is on OFTC
• 3596[18:47:43] <markybob> jhg: replaced-url
• 3597[18:47:55] <socomm> I'm guessing #debian is catch-all channel.
• 3598[18:48:16] <socomm> "There is no channel for $x_technology?! I'll just join #debian!!!"
• 3599[18:48:16] <sheppyh> Hi, sorry for asking such a noob question, but I have Debian 8 Jessie fresh install, I'd like to backport the 4.3 kernel onto my jessie installation and also QEMU 2.5. I understand this is possible, but I don't understand how you can just apt-get a whole kernel
• 3600[18:48:20] <jelly-home> something like that, but only for people running debian
• 3601[18:48:21] <blind> "I'm running a variant of debian so #debian will answer my questions" >_>
• 3602[18:48:46] <jelly-home> sheppyh: read /msg dpkg bdo kernel
• 3603[18:48:46] <markybob> sheppyh: backports.debian.org/Instructions/
• 3604[18:49:04] <sheppyh> I assume apt-get linux-image-4.3 or something similar would install the kernel but I thouhgt kernels needed compiling and stuff
• 3605[18:49:18] <sheppyh> okay thanks I was looking for some material, I couldn't find specific though, ta
• 3606[18:49:19] <jelly-home> sheppyh: they do. Someone's already done it.
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• 3608[18:49:36] <jelly-home> that's what binary-based distros are for!
• 3609[18:49:38] <sheppyh> ah right so when I install any package from apt it's pre-compiled i guess?!
• 3610[18:49:43] <jelly-home> correct
• 3611[18:49:59] <blind> well.. except -dkms packages (right?)
• 3612[18:50:05] <sheppyh> okay i see.. so it just replaces the kernel binaries with the 4.3 versions when I install a backpport kernel
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• 3614[18:50:09] <jelly-home> !confuse blind
• 3615[18:50:10] <dpkg> No, who was my gouda today, blind? Pants of the Democracy of Tibet with extra crabpaste.
• 3616[18:50:23] * blind 's head explodes
• 3617[18:50:23] <jelly-home> sheppyh: it doesn't replace. You get an additional kernel.
• 3618[18:50:24] <markybob> sheppyh: no. it adds on. you keep your old one.
• 3619[18:50:28] <sheppyh> how does it do that whilst the OS is in use though, it seems mad in my head, almost like upgrading from Windows 7 to 8 but without even reboot
• 3620[18:50:30] <socomm> sheppyh: Kernels do need compiling. The beauty of Debian is that someone else will compile it for you.
• 3621[18:50:31] <sheppyh> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
• 3622[18:50:34] <_0x5eb_> hi, I installed a Debian 8 via debootstrap and I find that I can't ping (icmp open socket: Operation not permitted) which I would expect since /bin/ping is not setuid root but then I notice that on a native Debian 8 install, it is not setuid root as well but works, how is it working?
• 3623[18:50:53] <jelly-home> sheppyh: the kernel component is actually pretty isolated from everything else (the "userspace")
• 3624[18:51:02] <sheppyh> so with two kernels, how do I switch to the right one (or should I start reading now :P)
• 3625[18:51:23] <markybob> sheppyh: yeah you should read. grub on boot will ask which one you want to boot
• 3626[18:51:24] <jelly-home> there's a menu at boot time to choose the kernel
• 3627[18:51:31] <sheppyh> amazing
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• 3629[18:51:40] <socomm> sheppyh: When you boot Grub will let you choose the kernel.
• 3630[18:51:44] <sheppyh> okay, I just wanted to understand those bits before I started, will read and give it a go :)
• 3631[18:51:53] <sheppyh> thanks all
• 3632[18:51:57] <markybob> sheppyh: why?
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• 3635[18:52:11] <sheppyh> why what?
• 3636[18:52:12] <markybob> sheppyh: why do you want to do this?
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• 3638[18:52:15] <sheppyh> ohh
• 3639[18:52:20] <jelly-home> markybob: because understanding is important!
• 3640[18:52:30] <markybob> sigh
• 3641[18:52:49] <sheppyh> My home PC is a hypervisor with 2 x GPU - one for Linux VM and one for Windows VM
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• 3644[18:53:00] <sheppyh> I was running VMware because I am VCP and the lab was good to learn
• 3645[18:53:16] <sheppyh> now I'm fed up with propietry software so I am trying KVM/QEMU
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• 3647[18:53:32] <jelly-home> shiny
• 3648[18:53:38] <jelly-home> ,v qemu
• 3649[18:53:39] <judd> Package: qemu on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze4; squeeze-security: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze4; squeeze-security-lts: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze5; squeeze-backports: 1.1.2+dfsg-6a+deb7u7~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.1.2+dfsg-6a+deb7u8; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.1.2+dfsg-6a+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 1.1.2+dfsg-6a+deb7u12; jessie: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u4; wheezy-backports:
• 3650[18:53:40] <judd> 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u5a~bpo70+1; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u5a; jessie-security: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u5a; jessie-backports: 1:2.5+dfsg-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:2.5+dfsg-5; sid: 1:2.5+dfsg-5
• 3651[18:53:43] <sheppyh> i want 4.3 kernel for better ACS support
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• 3653[18:53:55] <Iridos> sheppyh, you have to reboot after you install the kernel to actually run it.
• 3654[18:54:01] <sheppyh> I understand 4.2 and greater has the quirks for the intel 9 series chipset
• 3655[18:54:11] <jelly-home> well there's kernel 4.3 AND qemu 2.5 in jessie-backports
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• 3657[18:54:18] <sheppyh> exactly
• 3658[18:54:34] <sheppyh> rather than install Arch linux I'd rather have stable debian with selected backports as needed
• 3659[18:54:42] <sheppyh> keeps the rest of the OS nice
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• 3672[19:00:26] <plasmoduck> How do I make my internet traffic go over tun0
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• 3675[19:00:41] <plasmoduck> Want to make it go through VPN
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• 3716[19:14:29] <sypher> plasmoduck: That doesn't give a lot of information. We don't know how your VPN is configured, or network topology on either end.
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• 3721[19:16:22] <hiya> jelly-home, / is 7 and z is y and y is z ?? what is going on
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• 3723[19:17:32] <TomTomTosch> hiya, change your keyboard layout or buy a keyboard that fits that layout :P
• 3724[19:17:37] <LordShadowWing> hiya, Odd Algebra?
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• 3728[19:18:48] <markybob> hiya: replaced-url
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• 3733[19:20:10] <sheppyh> one question - surely installing the 4.3 backport kernel on jessie would cause incompatability between other jessie packages?
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• 3735[19:20:42] <markybob> sheppyh: no
• 3736[19:20:56] <sheppyh> oh I can see now jessie-backports, squeeze-backports and wheezy-backports, does this ensure compatability?
• 3737[19:21:06] <markybob> sheppyh: correct
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• 3741[19:23:51] <sheppyh> so for example, someone has an app, when they release each version they test it on jessie, squeeze and wheezy, and upload to the backports the version for each release?
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• 3743[19:24:00] <sheppyh> sorry I find the backports stuff really confusing
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• 3745[19:24:50] <TomTomTosch> sheppyh, debian devs upload there, not just anybody. and it gets tested.
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• 3748[19:25:58] <TomTomTosch> sheppyh, debian has their own maintainers for packages.
• 3749[19:26:13] <sheppyh> so the version of qemu on jessie-backports will be the latest version which is tested to work on jessie
• 3750[19:26:22] <sheppyh> likewise for wheezy and squeeze
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• 3756[19:26:56] <sheppyh> i.e. the version of qemu on jessie-bakports will be a higher version than on wheezy-backports
• 3757[19:27:07] <TomTomTosch> it will prob be the version from testing. or a version that was on testing at some point.
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• 3759[19:27:49] <sheppyh> okay thanks
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• 3765[19:30:27] <TomTomTosch> sheppyh, you should probably read the debian faq. it has lots of valuable info if you are new to debian.
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• 3769[19:32:39] <sheppyh> its being new to open source software, release cycles, development phases, not neccesarily debian
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• 3773[19:33:03] <sheppyh> I've had it with propietry software, big change for me :)
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• 3775[19:33:20] <TomTomTosch> still applies.
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• 3777[19:33:34] <sheppyh> not really
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• 3781[19:33:51] <sheppyh> With propietry - I install what is released and nothing more
• 3782[19:34:14] <TomTomTosch> my advice i mean.
• 3783[19:34:15] <sheppyh> mostly because I/the organisation have paid to use it, and therefor need it working
• 3784[19:34:24] <sheppyh> ohh sorry
• 3785[19:34:35] <sheppyh> I will do then, I read dont't break debian, that was really useful
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• 3787[19:35:04] <TomTomTosch> ah yes, that's a good thing ;D
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• 3789[19:35:47] <sheppyh> wow great FAQ too, some other questions I wanted answering are in there
• 3790[19:35:50] <sypher> I wish more people read that.
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• 3795[19:36:32] <sheppyh> my hypervisor setup has been offline for 4 days now, I keep finding new things to read and it stops me actually doing ;)
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• 3797[19:36:52] <sheppyh> but its good reading so, saves me time doing, failing and not understanding why
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• 3801[19:38:37] <mdasilva_> i <3 debian
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• 3803[19:39:17] <sypher> I use both Debian and RHEL/CentOS. The former for personal systems, the latter at work.
• 3804[19:39:24] <sypher> I enjoy both. They certainly have their strengths.
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• 3813[19:42:01] <NoImNotNineVolt> what happened to cifs-utils in squeeze?
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• 3815[19:42:10] <NoImNotNineVolt> replaced-url
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• 3825[19:46:05] <markybob> , cifs-utils
• 3826[19:46:08] <markybob> ,v cifs-utils
• 3827[19:46:09] <judd> Package: cifs-utils on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2:5.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:5.5-1; stretch: 2:6.4-1; jessie: 2:6.4-1; sid: 2:6.4-1
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• 3830[19:48:05] <NoImNotNineVolt> i sure would love that squeeze package.
• 3831[19:48:09] <TomTomTosch> it's in the archive. squeeze support ended a few days ago.
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• 3833[19:48:32] <NoImNotNineVolt> i'm googling and googling and can't find 'the archive' :P
• 3834[19:48:54] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
• 3835[19:48:55] <NoImNotNineVolt> really hoping to not have to build from src.
• 3836[19:48:56] <NoImNotNineVolt> thanks!
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• 3841[19:51:18] <NoImNotNineVolt> ,v libtalloc2
• 3842[19:51:19] <judd> Package: libtalloc2 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.0.1-1; wheezy: 2.0.7+git20120207-1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.1.1-2; stretch: 2.1.5-1; sid: 2.1.5-2
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• 3844[19:51:54] <sheppyh> mdasilva_, me too, "The entire system, or any individual component of it, can be upgraded in place without reformatting, without losing custom configuration files, and (in most cases) without rebooting the system", isn't that just wonderful
• 3845[19:52:03] * NoImNotNineVolt sees no libtalloc2 under replaced-url
• 3846[19:52:17] <NoImNotNineVolt> any advice?
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• 3849[19:54:27] <NoImNotNineVolt> (libtalloc2 is a dependency of cifs-utils)
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• 3852[19:55:50] <TomTomTosch> NoImNotNineVolt, you should probably just point your sources.list to the archive and let apt do the searching.
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• 3854[19:57:16] <TomTomTosch> NoImNotNineVolt, also, is there a reason you want to keep using squeeze?
• 3855[19:57:36] <NoImNotNineVolt> i don't. at all. but it's not my server.
• 3856[19:57:44] <jhutchins> TomTomTosch: systemd is a pretty good reason.
• 3857[19:58:20] <NoImNotNineVolt> i <3 systemd, so, i disagree with that opinion :P
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• 3859[19:58:54] <markybob> it's not even a valid opinion. wheezy isn't default systemd
• 3860[19:58:57] <jhutchins> NoImNotNineVolt: It's nice when it works.
• 3861[19:59:22] <NoImNotNineVolt> as a developer, i have no insight into when it does or doesn't work.
• 3862[19:59:33] <NoImNotNineVolt> i only have insight into the sysvinit scripts that i no longer have to write.
• 3863[19:59:45] <NoImNotNineVolt> and for that, i almost hate pulseaudio less.
• 3864[19:59:49] <NoImNotNineVolt> almost.
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• 3866[20:00:04] <TomTomTosch> NoImNotNineVolt, tell the people who own the server that it's stupid to run squeeze.
• 3867[20:00:10] <NoImNotNineVolt> oh they know that.
• 3868[20:00:16] <NoImNotNineVolt> it's not on the internet.
• 3869[20:00:26] <sypher> jhutchins: I manage about 800 servers, half of which run RHEL7 - a systemd-based distro. I have yet to encounter a systemd-related issue.
• 3870[20:00:35] <sypher> jhutchins: So, no. systemd is not a good reason
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• 3872[20:00:51] <NoImNotNineVolt> sypher: anecdotal.
• 3873[20:01:05] <NoImNotNineVolt> you both have differing opinions. neither one is objectively "correct".
• 3874[20:01:24] <TomTomTosch> and neither of them are on topic :3
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• 3877[20:01:39] <mdasilva_> systemd is great, too bad the wheezy->jessie upgrade requires a reboot
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• 3879[20:02:04] <markybob> no jhutchins was objectively wrong. you don't even have to have it in jessie. so no reason not to upgrade
• 3880[20:02:17] <Amun_Ra> reboot is a small price
• 3881[20:02:17] <sypher> NoImNotNineVolt: Everyone's experiences are anecdotal. Writing them off by calling them anecdotal doesn't make sense.
• 3882[20:02:31] <mdasilva_> itd be nice not to reboot :P
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• 3884[20:02:53] <TomTomTosch> you have to restart all the services anyway...
• 3885[20:02:59] <NoImNotNineVolt> sypher: it makes sense if you're the kind of person that dismisses subjectivity.
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• 3888[20:03:15] <mdasilva_> i should stick to immutable server priciniples and just terminate the thing
• 3889[20:03:35] <NoImNotNineVolt> but, thanks for the tip about archive!
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• 3891[20:03:45] <DrJosephGoebbels> Anyone know why a filesystem that "df" reports as having 4+ gb of space available would be reporting "out of space"? See replaced-url
• 3892[20:03:51] <sypher> NoImNotNineVolt: Dismissing subjectivity wholesale doesn't make sense, either. So, have fun with that theory. Too bad it's a bad theory.
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• 3894[20:04:26] <zykotick9> DrJosephGoebbels: check "df -i" output
• 3895[20:04:28] <Amun_Ra> this is a matter of trust (and possibility of cherry picking)
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• 3900[20:05:15] <DrJosephGoebbels> ah
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• 3902[20:05:17] <DrJosephGoebbels> yes all inodes in use.
• 3903[20:05:24] <DrJosephGoebbels> /dev/sda3 525312 525312 0 100% /mnt/disk2
• 3904[20:05:33] <happygilmoregent> how do I update lxde menus?
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• 3908[20:07:10] * NoImNotNineVolt shrugs
• 3909[20:07:18] <NoImNotNineVolt> thanks again.
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• 3915[20:08:32] <happygilmoregent> anyone short of a google search
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• 3930[20:14:11] <sheppyh> Okay another question. Jessie is the current version, packages are tested in stretch and then moved to stable - correct? In that case, what defines the time for a new release of debian, if all the packages within it are constantly updated. Is it a kernel update?
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• 3933[20:14:47] <towo`> no
• 3934[20:14:53] <zykotick9> happygilmoregent: lxde seems to have an irc channel on oftc replaced-url
• 3935[20:14:58] <happygilmoregent> ok thanks
• 3936[20:14:59] <jhutchins> sypher: you not having encountered errors doesn't mean they're not out there.
• 3937[20:15:00] <towo`> jessie does not get any package from testing
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• 3940[20:15:50] <jhutchins> sypher: I've seen problems with legacy services (that still install to init) not being able to restart, with the time service, and with systems that hang on shutdown.
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• 3942[20:16:30] <sheppyh> so Jessie is frozen. I.e. running apt-get update and apt-get upgrade will NEVER give me a new version of a package - correct?
• 3943[20:16:43] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: the term "stable" for Debian releases means that the versions don't change, only bug and security fixes are backported. This is the reason for the backports repo, so you can selectively install newer versions of some packages
• 3944[20:16:44] <markybob> sheppyh: it'll give you security updates
• 3945[20:16:44] <sheppyh> apart from security updates
• 3946[20:16:47] <sheppyh> ok :)
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• 3949[20:17:23] <jmcnaught> the idea is that "apt-get upgrade" will not change the behaviour of the system
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• 3951[20:17:51] <sheppyh> just make it more secure
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• 3954[20:18:18] <markybob> sheppyh: sheppyh as far as stretch becoming stable you're probably looking at mid next year
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• 3956[20:18:51] <sheppyh> gotya. all this stuff makes so much sense now
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• 3961[20:20:28] <sypher> jhutchins: I never said they aren't. I am saying that systemd is not this crazyhorrible thing that people subjectively/emotionally make it out to be.
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• 3965[20:22:44] <SirCmpwn> debian/changelog is the source for the package version?
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• 3970[20:23:56] <Xc3ls10r> Mode Xc3ls10r +Q
• 3971[20:24:15] <Xc3ls10r> ups, sorry
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• 3993[20:32:48] <jcowgill> SirCmpwm: it's the source of the _source_ package version
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• 3995[20:33:01] <DebianTest4> question
• 3996[20:33:23] <DebianTest4> dhcp3-server is gone ?
• 3997[20:33:34] <DebianTest4> i have to use isc one now?
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• 4001[20:34:40] <markybob> DebianTest4: it's gone in jessie. that was ISC actually :P
• 4002[20:34:48] <mentor> DebianTest4, I thought dhcp3-server was the ISC version
• 4003[20:34:50] <DebianTest4> markybob: ah is the same config ?
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• 4005[20:34:55] <markybob> yes
• 4006[20:34:59] <DebianTest4> markybob: thanks man ;)
• 4007[20:35:15] <DebianTest4> mentor: thanks u too
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• 4015[20:40:36] <SirCmpwn> jcowgill: so that's distinct from the upstream version?
• 4016[20:40:42] <hotwings> hi. how do you clean, recompile, and install only the kernel media drivers (/usr/src/linux/drivers/media dir)?
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• 4037[20:46:38] <jcowgill> yes the upstream version is the part of the version before the -
• 4038[20:46:49] <SirCmpwn> and what's the source of that number?
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• 4043[20:47:49] <jcowgill> it doesn't come from anywhere automatically, the maintainer writes it in
• 4044[20:48:00] <SirCmpwn> writes it into what place, the changelog file?
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• 4046[20:48:04] <jcowgill> yes
• 4047[20:48:12] <sheppyh> I added the non-free/contrib repos to my sources.list to get the radeon firmware, would it be best practice to remove that source now I have done so, or would that cause me any issues? Same question for backport sources - what repository does apt-get default to if I don't specify with -t and I have both main/backports added?
• 4048[20:48:19] <SirCmpwn> and then the debian packaging tools read it from the changelog file and that goes into the package metadata
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• 4053[20:48:56] <jcowgill> yes the version gets extracted from the changelog when the package is built
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• 4056[20:49:14] <markybob> sheppyh: you should probably keep it if case they get security updates
• 4057[20:49:18] <SirCmpwn> can the tooling be instructed to use another source for that number?
• 4058[20:49:26] <sheppyh> good point
• 4059[20:49:53] <SirCmpwn> I want to get a version number with code rather than humans writing it into the changelog file. Would I have to just generate a changelog file?
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• 4062[20:50:38] <jcowgill> generating a changelog entry is probably the best way
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• 4064[20:50:54] <SirCmpwn> thanks for the info
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• 4081[20:58:25] <sheppyh> aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 < answer to my question 2 hours ago. Can't believe it's that simple to install a whole kernel
• 4082[20:58:33] <mentor> SirCmpwn, Use dch
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• 4085[20:59:51] <Roland-> anyone ever used infiniband? :P
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• 4108[21:09:06] <cybrNaut> If i boot linux Mint, no problems with the command "gst-launch-1.0 videotestsrc ! v4l2sink device=/dev/video0". But if I boot debian and do the same, problems
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• 4110[21:09:15] <cybrNaut> on debian, I had to "modprobe v4l2loopback" (fair enough)
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• 4113[21:09:25] <cybrNaut> but when I run the same pipeline, it breaks with "ERROR: from element /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstVideoTestSrc:videotestsrc0: Internal data flow error."
• 4114[21:09:35] <cybrNaut> is anything special needed to make v4l2loopback work on debian?
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• 4141[21:19:31] <c0fe_machine> is openvpn client available for debian jessie?
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• 4143[21:20:57] <Tom01> Why not?
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• 4145[21:21:43] <jercos> c0fe_machine: the access client, or the openvpn software in general?
• 4146[21:21:45] <greycat> ,v openvpn
• 4147[21:21:46] <judd> Package: openvpn on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.1.3-2+squeeze2; squeeze-security-lts: 2.1.3-2+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 2.2.1-3~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 2.2.1-8+deb7u3; wheezy: 2.2.1-8+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 2.3.2-7~bpo70+2; jessie: 2.3.4-5+deb8u1; stretch: 2.3.10-1; sid: 2.3.10-1
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• 4150[21:22:30] <jercos> c0fe_machine: replaced-url
• 4151[21:23:27] <c0fe_machine> jercos: openvpn client
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• 4157[21:25:46] <ku678j> hi. it seems that firefox 38.6.1 will be the last esr version of the 38 series. What happens to iceweasel if firefox esr moves to version 45?
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• 4161[21:26:48] <sheppyh> someone said earlier I wouldn't be upgrading my kernel, I'd be installing it alongside and would have to choose which kernel to load at GRUB on boot - I don't have this choice and uname gives 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-amd64. Also when I ran aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 it said that that package would be upgraded, not installed. Did I do something wrong?
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• 4167[21:27:39] <ku678j> sheppyh, jessie keeps afaik only one kernel version
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• 4172[21:28:04] <sheppyh> okay makes sense thanks
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• 4174[21:28:25] <greycat> sheppyh: what files do you have in /boot?
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• 4179[21:29:13] <sheppyh> mixture
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• 4181[21:29:17] <c0fe_machine> i keep getting an error saying lzo isn't found
• 4182[21:29:25] <jercos> c0fe_machine: that doesn't clarify my question at all. are you connecting to an openvpn access server?
• 4183[21:29:28] <greycat> Well, the ones beginning with vmlinuz are kernels.
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• 4185[21:29:43] <sheppyh> vmlinuz-4.3.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 and vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64
• 4186[21:29:51] <greycat> So, you have those two kernels avaiable.
• 4187[21:30:20] <sheppyh> that vmlinuz file IS the compiled kernel?
• 4188[21:30:38] <sheppyh> I guess the aptitude must have reconfigured GRUB to default boot to 4.3
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• 4190[21:31:11] <greycat> Grub always updates to the "largest" kernel version you have installed, unless you go out of your way to default it to a smaller/older/different version.
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• 4192[21:31:20] <c0fe_machine> jercos: i solved it. nevermind. this is why i hate compiling on linux. there are almost always issues cause someone who developed the program was being lazy
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• 4196[21:32:19] <sheppyh> i see thx
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• 4203[21:36:08] <jhutchins> c0fe_machine: Which, really, is no different on any platform.
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• 4205[21:36:46] <c0fe_machine> jhutchins: well i have never had to compile a program on windows that wasn't mine
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• 4207[21:37:49] <jhutchins> sheppyh: IIRC vmlinuz is the compressed kernel (pretty standard these days).
• 4208[21:38:06] <greycat> Compiling on linux is usually an order of magnitude easier than on any other platform, because most software gets the most testing on Linux.
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• 4210[21:38:38] <greycat> Although in a few cases, Mac OS X may give it a good run.
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• 4215[21:39:35] <c0fe_machine> greycat: depends in which language actually. but the point is, openvpn has a .exe for windows where as for Linux well you have to compile
• 4216[21:39:39] <c0fe_machine> that's annoying
• 4217[21:39:58] <greycat> Why can't you just install the openvpn package?
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• 4221[21:40:55] <jcowgill> ku678j: this situation has already happened, jessie was released with firefox 31 and 38 was pushed as a security update
• 4222[21:41:09] <jcowgill> i imagine the same will happen when 45 is released
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• 4224[21:41:50] <sheppyh> c0fe_machine, I felt like you, for years, until I read "Don't break Debian", now I love Debian
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• 4226[21:42:11] <ku678j> jcowgill, good to know. Thanks for the info.
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• 4228[21:42:24] <c0fe_machine> sheppyh: but this isn't just with debian
• 4229[21:42:27] <c0fe_machine> it is with linux in general
• 4230[21:42:36] <greycat> There isn't a "linux in general".
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• 4233[21:42:55] <sheppyh> it is just with debian because of it's package management/repository and stability
• 4234[21:43:15] <sheppyh> although other distributions use the repositories like ubuntu
• 4235[21:43:45] <sheppyh> I haven't run make for a long time now, and everything is much better :)
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• 4237[21:44:01] <c0fe_machine> greycat: openvpn has precompiled for windows and source for linux
• 4238[21:44:02] <c0fe_machine> now what
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• 4240[21:44:18] <greycat> c0fe_machine: CLOSE their web site, and apt-get install openvpn
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• 4243[21:45:30] <sheppyh> c0fe_machine, this is my point, you write apt-get install openvpn ... everything is done and the service is started
• 4244[21:45:38] <sheppyh> you need to read: replaced-url
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• 4247[21:46:45] <greycat> Compiling upstream software has its time and place, but you've not demonstrated that this is either.
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• 4252[21:48:45] <phre4k> can I upgrade Debian 7 to 8 or will that fuck my system up completely due to the change to systemd? I have no custom init.d scripts but two and I already have service files ready for them.
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• 4255[21:48:53] <phre4k> oh wait, it's Debian 6 lol :D
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• 4257[21:49:03] <phre4k> so 6 → 7 → 8 possible?
• 4258[21:49:05] <greycat> You have to do it in two steps: 6->7 and then 7->8
• 4259[21:49:12] <phre4k> ^ yeah, ty :)
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• 4261[21:49:34] <phre4k> 7 → 8 really concerns me though. Does it work in more than 80% of test cases?
• 4262[21:49:51] <lichenx1> so glad I finally settled on debian
• 4263[21:49:53] <phre4k> 80% is enough for me, it's the weekend and I can drive into the office if needed
• 4264[21:49:54] <greycat> The biggest mess with 7->8 is apache 2.2 -> 2.4.
• 4265[21:50:04] <phre4k> lichenx1: congratulations and welcome :)
• 4266[21:50:13] <phre4k> greycat: I use nginx, so yay? :D
• 4267[21:50:19] <greycat> yay indeed
• 4268[21:50:36] <phre4k> I honestly don't know why people are using Apache, it's just so damn hard to configure
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• 4270[21:50:47] <lichenx1> phre4k, what's your set up like?
• 4271[21:50:53] <greycat> Mostly it's market inertia.
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• 4273[21:51:08] <phre4k> ah wait, I use Sernet's Samba repositories. Since Debian 8 has the "current" Samba anyway, can I just remove the sources.list entry and all will be fine?
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• 4276[21:52:02] <jmcnaught> phre4k: you might want to read replaced-url
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• 4279[21:52:35] <phre4k> lichenx1: at home I use Arch Linux on my Desktop and Alpine Linux on the server, the latter of which runs a few Debian LXC containers and the former running Debian as VM for test purposes. At work I usually use Debian as server and Xubuntu as desktop, however I recently started switching my clients from Xubuntu to Debian because Ubuntu has some really weird flaws by design...
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• 4281[21:52:43] <phre4k> jmcnaught: thank you :)
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• 4285[21:54:07] <lichenx1> nice
• 4286[21:54:15] <lichenx1> I like arch but the install messes me up
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• 4288[21:54:29] <phre4k> lichenx1: it's pretty easy if you've done it 1 or 2 times
• 4289[21:54:36] <phre4k> and you learn a lot
• 4290[21:54:39] <lichenx1> debian i'm most familiar with, been using linux on / off for awhile but I'm not as afraid anymore
• 4291[21:54:54] <phre4k> that sounds great :)
• 4292[21:55:22] <lichenx1> win10 was nice at first but the forced upgrades / reboots ...forced me to switch
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• 4294[21:55:50] <lichenx1> and I went deb because stable, now I just need to stop tweaking / installing so I don't break it
• 4295[21:55:55] <phre4k> btw, I'm really in love with a Linux game lately: replaced-url
• 4296[21:56:20] <lichenx1> def checking that out, I used to play rct all the time!
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• 4298[21:56:34] <phre4k> it's in Alpha, but the developers listen to feedback and incorporate it in only a few weeks after you voiced your desire if possible.
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• 4300[21:57:09] <lichenx1> where's the dl
• 4301[21:57:16] <lichenx1> I have to buy the alpha?
• 4302[21:57:38] <lichenx1> ahh yea I see that
• 4303[21:57:46] <phre4k> lichenx1: although many people seem to think Btrfs isn't stable yet, the 4.0 Kernel brought it a huge step forward and I'd definitely recommend using it. You can then make snapshots of the root file system with Snapper and tinker all you like. If something breaks, you can roll back to a previous snapshot, even from within a Live CD when the main system should stop working.
• 4304[21:57:46] <lichenx1> i'm that broke at the moment :(
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• 4307[21:58:14] <phre4k> lichenx1: PM me your eMail, I'll upload a ZIP onto my server and give it to you. It doesn't have DRM ;)
• 4308[21:58:30] <phre4k> but only if you promise to buy it if you enjoy it some day.
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• 4311[21:59:06] <greycat> Offering to pirate warez for other people should be in /msg or ... in any case, not in #debian.
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• 4316[22:00:16] <phre4k> greycat: it's not Warez, it doesn't have DRM and it's semi-ok to share it. At least in my country it's perfectly fine.
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• 4326[22:02:20] <sypher> phre4k: Welcome to Not Your Country. It's not fine here.
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• 4331[22:03:58] <jim> phre4k, there's probably 2 sides to this... one, if you can make a fan of the person who then buys it, you've then created a customer for them... on the other hand, it's here and now circumventing payment, so that's what the problem is
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• 4339[22:05:50] <jim> I personally don't have a problem with your intent, since you're not trying to rip off artists
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• 4343[22:07:22] <lichenx1> is there a ubuntu software center equivalent on debian?
• 4344[22:07:37] <lichenx1> synaptic?
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• 4359[22:10:47] <phre4k> jim: I'll ask the devs then.
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• 4361[22:11:07] <jhutchins> lichenx1: I don't think synaptic is installed by default, but afik that's what ubuntu uses for it's "Software Center".
• 4362[22:11:14] <phre4k> lichenx1: yeah, synaptic seems fine. There's a Gnome software center too
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• 4364[22:11:29] <phre4k> I'd use the CLI tools honestly... apt and aptitude are both gread
• 4365[22:11:31] <phre4k> *great
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• 4371[22:12:43] <jorb> i am just wanting to gripe about PXE booting stuff.. where can i spew out text to see if anyone else has an opinion
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• 4373[22:13:08] <jhutchins> jorb: This wouldn't be the right place.
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• 4376[22:13:26] <jhutchins> jorb: If you have a specific question about it we might be able to help, but general rants go elsewhere.
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• 4378[22:13:42] <MRme> Hi
• 4379[22:14:01] <jorb> jhutchins: good point, not debian related questions though, more general network troubleshooting
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• 4382[22:14:48] <MRme> After today's 4.3 Kernel update via Jessie Backports my ethernet connection is having problems connecting.... Any idea on how to fix it?
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• 4461[22:41:30] <mutante> just reinstalled a server, i want to tell the users the new host key fingerprint, so they can trust it when connecting the first time. i use ssh-keygen -l -f on the server, and say, for my ECDSA key the fingerprint has this format: 256 92:23:e4:23:19.. as i'm used to it. but when i connect the client gets it in this format: ECDSA key fingerprint is SHA256:Fpre6wuDIcRq0.. that used to be different. How do i compare them the right way
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• 4463[22:42:56] <sypher> mutante: That's a client-side matter, really. Their SSH client is rendering key fingerprints in a new base64 format.
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• 4465[22:43:33] <sheppyh> anyone got experience with this: replaced-url
• 4466[22:43:41] <sypher> mutante: Either you'll have to convert your fingerprint to that format and present both, or they'll have to convert that to a hex format.
• 4467[22:44:10] <mutante> superkulak: oh, thank you. i knew it was something new at least :)
• 4468[22:44:20] <mutante> sypher: eh, sorry, that was for you &
• 4469[22:44:22] <greycat> On jessie, ssh-keygen -l -F hostname appears to show both formats, one after the other.
• 4470[22:44:24] <sypher> sypher: No big. :)
• 4471[22:44:36] <sheppyh> and is it possible to edit the debian wiki?
• 4472[22:44:38] <sypher> greycat: sweet, thank you.
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• 4475[22:45:02] <sypher> greycat: Just tested that, and it doesn't seem to do that.
• 4476[22:45:21] <greycat> Really? I see:
• 4477[22:45:22] <greycat> 256 4c:8a:29:9b:7b:63:32:6f:64:e5:f9:58:89:02:36:ac |1|BhVZzDgCPrlito7hY7IJa2bFerk=|DLBzfAPonni88oMZm+OeeA1F23Y= (ECDSA)
• 4478[22:45:34] <sypher> greycat: Actually, you're right. But it doesn't seem to do that for all hosts.
• 4479[22:46:03] <mutante> hmm, i dont see that yet and it's jessie
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• 4481[22:46:32] <greycat> mutante: the *client* is jessie, right?
• 4482[22:47:40] <sheppyh> " We need to use the VFIO driver for all pass-through devices so that the guest can manage them completely. At this point you should make sure the driver for the guest card is not loaded (eg: radeon, nouveau, …), you should blacklist them and reboot if necessary" - does anyone know how I blacklist these cards in debian, theres very little about this on the net for debian specifically :(
• 4483[22:47:41] <mutante> oh, you are right, the client is stretch
• 4484[22:47:50] <mutante> well, one of them
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• 4498[22:52:33] <karlpinc> sheppyh: Sure, it's a wiki. But you need a login.
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• 4500[22:53:03] <karlpinc> !tell sheppyh about blacklist
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• 4521[23:01:05] <mutante> i'm telling the clients to do ssh -o FingerprintHash=md5 hostname for now
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• 4523[23:01:39] <mutante> i also found this monster to do the new format on older server, but meh " awk '{print $2}' ssh_host_rsa_key.pub | base64 -d | sha256sum -b | awk '{print $1}' | xxd -r -p | base64 "
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• 4533[23:06:06] <karlpinc> greycat: You seem to be interested in factoid tweaking. FYI Just made <bad advice>.
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• 4539[23:08:19] <markybob> that's silly. "don't follow advice from strangers but my advice telling you not to is sound"
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• 4546[23:10:17] <markybob> "in an open irc channel made up of complete strangers"
• 4547[23:10:29] <jhutchins> markybob: The point is not to follow it blindly. If you don't understand how a command is supposed to accomplish your goal, you should probably check the manpage and see what it's doing.
• 4548[23:10:35] <karlpinc> markybob: Ok then make a better sentence.
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• 4550[23:11:07] <karlpinc> markybob: Adding "blindly" might be good....
• 4551[23:11:20] <markybob> "don't be stupid" sums it up. we have enough things. dontbreakdebian, etc. no need for this.
• 4552[23:11:34] <jhutchins> markybob: Hopfully if someone posts bad advice here someone else will spot it and speak up - but we're not all watching 100% of the posts.
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• 4555[23:12:15] <jhutchins> markybob: We get plenty of conversations here with people blindly following commands with no idea where they're going.
• 4556[23:12:55] <markybob> jhutchins: and if you're not around to show them that factoid they'll do it. pointless
• 4557[23:13:17] <karlpinc> Ok. added "blindly".
• 4558[23:13:35] <karlpinc> markybob: We don't want them to do it _again_.
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• 4580[23:22:17] <sheppyh> thx karlpinc, I didn't read it as blacklist the DRIVER as other blogs talk about blacklisting/blocking actual GPUs, makes sense now
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• 4582[23:22:32] <sheppyh> so blacklist xorg-driver-radeon or whatever it's called
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• 4584[23:22:54] <karlpinc> sheppyh: Wasn't me. The factoid knows all. I just know the factoid exists. :-)
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• 4587[23:23:37] <sheppyh> ah, yes that's the useful thing about this channel though is you guys know what topics the factoid has ;)
• 4588[23:24:16] <sheppyh> is there a way I can ask it for a list of factoids?
• 4589[23:24:21] <sheppyh> or facts
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• 4592[23:25:33] <jhutchins> !bots
• 4593[23:25:33] <dpkg> We have lots of bots around to help out with different things. dpkg (<dpkgbot>) and <judd> are the main two for factoids and package information; dselect (<dselectbot>) fills in for dpkg. There's also debhelper (flooding, moderating), apt, ... Most bots are also in #debian-bots if you can't use /msg to talk to them. Be nice to the bots though; they have feelings, bleed oil and let out the <magic smoke> when angry.
• 4594[23:26:22] <jhutchins> sheppyh: I believe there's a web page where you can brows the databases, but I'm not sure where.
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• 4597[23:27:36] <sheppyh> <sheppyh> what can you tell me ... <dpkg> This!
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• 4599[23:27:43] <markybob> sheppyh: there are many thousands on factoids...you'd be insane to try to read it. but here replaced-url
• 4600[23:27:48] <sheppyh> that's all he says haha
• 4601[23:28:20] <sheppyh> thanks marky at least I can ctrl + f before I ask in here ;)
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• 4603[23:30:52] <jhutchins> !search dpkg
• 4604[23:30:52] <dpkg> You can search my database on the web at replaced-url
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• 4606[23:31:09] <markybob> yeah i just linked him to that
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• 4617[23:37:24] <ZTman> How can I detect if a display is connected to the HDMI port during boot. /dev ???
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• 4619[23:39:19] <sheppyh> got the blacklist sorted, any ideas on the best time to load vfio-pci module or is initramfs the place to do it? I've heard reports of "it not being loaded in time" although I wonder if blacklisting the whole radeon driver removes that requirement
• 4620[23:39:39] <jhutchins> ZTman: The easiest way is to look at the plug. WHat are you really trying to do?
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• 4623[23:40:25] <ZTman> Boot the computer. if HDMI connected, Then use change xorg.conf. If not, then remove it. That simple.
• 4624[23:41:14] <ZTman> look at the plug?
• 4625[23:41:28] <sheppyh> sarcasm but I lol'd :(
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• 4628[23:42:05] <ZTman> Hotswap won't work. So, need it at boot. At best, hotswap would cause a reboot of the desktop manager. Nope, not gonna do it.
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• 4635[23:44:40] <teraflops> ZTman: may I ask why do you need a xorg.conf when using hdmi?
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• 4638[23:45:10] <ZTman> teraflops: yes. have the xorg.conf. No xorg.conf when without.
• 4639[23:45:29] <teraflops> ZTman: no, that's not the answer
• 4640[23:45:37] <ZTman> Force the user to reboot computer to swap the settings.
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• 4642[23:45:44] <teraflops> ZTman: you already said that
• 4643[23:45:56] <teraflops> ZTman: the real reason behind that
• 4644[23:46:05] <ZTman> without xorg.conf HDMI does not work!
• 4645[23:46:41] <teraflops> ZTman: use xrandr in .xprofile or .xinitrc, isn't that enough
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• 4649[23:47:20] <ZTman> Honestly, it doesn't matter how it is working. I just need to be able to detect if HDMI is connected during boot.
• 4650[23:47:39] <teraflops> if [[]]; then else fi
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• 4652[23:47:50] <axc1298> can anyone point me to a good resource on how to get debian configured to use a vpn service
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• 4655[23:48:23] <ZTman> teraflops: and just HOW is that supposer to work? Because xorg.conf has ... xrandr doesn't work unless x is already load. if x is loaded, then xorg.conf either was or was NOT there. FAIL!
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• 4657[23:48:36] <teraflops> ZTman: ^
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• 4659[23:49:24] <markybob> axc1298: they vary so wildy that no. you'll have to read their docs
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• 4662[23:50:43] <ZTman> Okay, I guess I'll look at WHAT xinitrc is.
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• 4665[23:52:29] <ZTman> I still have extreme doubts. xrandr doesn't work unless X is loaded. If X is loaded, the xorg.conf has already been loaded, Then I can't choose to either include or exclude it.
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• 4677[23:59:54] <ZTman> I'm still here. If you come up with anything.
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