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• 64[00:22:11] <tharkun> I'm having some isues mounting a 1TB hdd on Debian 8.3 as a regular user it is using ntfs-3g but I'm kind of lost since I can easily mount a 750GB volumen.
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• 71[00:25:12] <nkuttler> tharkun: well what's the error
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• 80[00:28:35] <tharkun> rror opening '/dev/sdb1': Permission denied
• 81[00:28:35] <tharkun> Failed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Permission denied
• 82[00:28:35] <tharkun> Please check '/dev/sdb1' and the ntfs-3g binary permissions,
• 83[00:28:35] <tharkun> and the mounting user ID. More explanation is provided at
• 84[00:28:35] <tharkun> replaced-url
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• 89[00:28:49] <tharkun> how many lines passed?
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• 95[00:29:45] <r6ku> !paste
• 96[00:29:45] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 97[00:29:55] <tharkun> r6ku: :)
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• 114[00:34:12] <tharkun> Also If I wanted an external 1TB hdd what would be my fs of choice?
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• 117[00:35:04] <EvergreenTree> I am installing debian jessie on my laptop, and I have encountered an issue with wireless firmware
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• 120[00:35:26] <EvergreenTree> The installer asks me to download the missing firmware to a usb stick, and insert it so it can automatically detect whati t needs to install
• 121[00:35:45] <EvergreenTree> So I follow the instructions at replaced-url
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• 123[00:36:10] <EvergreenTree> and when I insert the prepared usb stick and press the "yes" button (load missing firmware from removable media)
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• 125[00:36:22] <EvergreenTree> it hangs a second, and goes back to the same dialog box
• 126[00:36:23] <tharkun> !enter
• 127[00:36:23] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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• 131[00:36:43] <EvergreenTree> Sorry, I didn't want to trigger the flood bot
• 132[00:37:00] <markybob> EvergreenTree: it's much easier to use the installer with firmware built-in. you do nothing and it just works. replaced-url
• 133[00:37:08] <r6ku> ^
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• 135[00:37:47] <EvergreenTree> I'll try that
• 136[00:37:54] <tharkun> EvergreenTree: Make sure you have the appropiate files on your usb, it should be as smooth as the other options.
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• 141[00:38:30] <EvergreenTree> I do, I checked and it needs the broadcom 43 firmware, which is on the usb stick.
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• 143[00:39:00] <markybob> EvergreenTree: the iso i linked you to has that already.
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• 145[00:39:18] <EvergreenTree> I realize that, I was just answering tharkun.
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• 148[00:40:59] <EvergreenTree> Thanks for helping! I'll let you know if the image with the included firmware works for me.
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• 157[00:43:26] <awal1> teraflops, googled xmonad/xmobar of course but I still looking...I'm interested on 'dzen2' too (I have it installed but never used it). Can you share your dzen2 config file? (paste.debian.net)
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• 160[00:44:14] <EvergreenTree> markybob: the netinstall image also asks me for the missing firmware
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• 162[00:44:55] <markybob> EvergreenTree: did you seriously just download it and forget to cp it to the device or something? it's included
• 163[00:45:11] <EvergreenTree> I'll check
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• 166[00:46:45] <EvergreenTree> Yeah, it is the net install image
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• 169[00:47:25] <markybob> i can't even
• 170[00:47:29] <EvergreenTree> I can even find the package for the b43 firmware on the flash drive, it just isn't seeming to recognize it's there
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• 173[00:48:45] <EvergreenTree> If it helps at all (it probably won't) the laptop is a Dell Latitude E6400
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• 175[00:50:28] <tharkun> EvergreenTree: If you are using the regular installer over an ethernet cable you can wait to finish installing the OS and then set up the wifi card.
• 176[00:50:37] <tharkun> Sorry got a phonecall earlier.
• 177[00:50:52] <teraflops> awal1: hmm a bunch of files calling files, the dzen2 part is replaced-url
• 178[00:50:59] <EvergreenTree> I don't have access to connect to the router directly
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• 180[00:51:39] <EvergreenTree> At least, I don't at this moment. I might wait until I can access it to install the appropriate wireless packages
• 181[00:51:48] <EvergreenTree> Still, it is rather annoying
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• 184[00:52:23] <EvergreenTree> I'll try it over ethernet when I can and ask here if anything goes wrong
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• 186[00:52:33] <EvergreenTree> Thanks for your help though
• 187[00:52:37] <tharkun> gl
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• 196[00:56:29] <awal1> teraflops, ok, I'll look at that link
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• 298[01:46:39] <lala> Hello there.
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• 300[01:47:18] <lala> If I wanted to get the latest version of GNOME running on my Debian-based distro, would I simply do "sudo tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install"?
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• 308[01:48:46] <markybob> lala: we don't support debian-based. you'd have to ask them
• 309[01:49:17] <markybob> !based on debian
• 310[01:49:17] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 312[01:50:01] <lala> Oh.
• 313[01:50:13] <lala> markybob: Okay.
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• 445[03:00:28] <salviaD> (wheezy) at wich runlevel I may be able to run a audio player on boot?
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• 454[03:05:16] <James_T> is the archive for squeeze ready yet. seems to only have the squeeze repo
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• 458[03:06:43] <bmomjian> Thanks everyone for the Jessie/Wheezy/Apache upgrade help yesterday, especially Karl Pinc. FYI, I got my new certificate today with the right intermediate certs installed and my SSL rating is now A-: replaced-url
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• 480[03:14:26] <markybob> bmomjian: you still have problems. forward secrecy, OCSP stapling and the signature algorithm is sha1withrsa. should be sha256withrsa. big difference on that last one
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• 496[03:17:02] <bmomjian> Karl nicely sent me an email today explaining what I need to change, thanks.
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• 519[03:21:38] <faultline> bmomjian: You should also check out Lets Encrypt, rather than paying someone for a cert.
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• 522[03:22:03] <abrotman> There are other ways to get free certs, but nothing wrong with paying for one
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• 524[03:22:10] <markybob> especially if they do sha1withrsa. that's silly
• 525[03:22:37] <abrotman> and the constant cert changes
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• 532[03:23:33] <faultline> There's no need to pay for one. The underlying security doesn't somehow change because you forked out money. Plus, the renewals are handled by the utility.
• 533[03:23:44] <markybob> abrotman: you can make a cronjob to automate it with letsencrypt if that's what you mean
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• 628[03:25:21] <faultline> bmomjian: Ahh, the big reason why you're getting a warning is that you don't have serverside cipher preferences enabled.
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• 635[03:25:36] <faultline> bmomjian: At least, that's one of the reasons.
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• 646[03:26:32] <faultline> bmomjian: You should use it.
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• 656[03:29:20] <neoncortex> hey, there is a way to force a wireless card out of hard blocked state?
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• 659[03:30:01] <faultline> neoncortex: Tried rfkill?
• 660[03:30:20] <neoncortex> faultline: yeah
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• 662[03:30:52] <faultline> neoncortex: That's about the only thing I know of.
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• 666[03:31:40] <neoncortex> faultline: tried many things, i already searched the notebook 30 times or more searching for some hidden button xD
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• 668[03:33:08] <markybob> neoncortex: isn't it always fn+f2?
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• 671[03:33:41] <neoncortex> no, in those one is a separated button
• 672[03:33:55] <bmomjian> sorry, back, yes, I will get on the cipher thing once I get everything else upgraded working 100%.
• 673[03:34:55] <neoncortex> sounds like those craps that only work with windows
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• 709[03:56:59] <simonlnu> neoncortex: try unloading the kernel module, and reinserting it
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• 712[03:57:37] <neoncortex> simonlnu: already tried
• 713[03:57:47] <simonlnu> and still stuck?
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• 715[03:58:00] <neoncortex> simonlnu: yeah =(
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• 717[03:58:15] <simonlnu> darn
• 718[03:58:16] * simonlnu has a physical switch
• 719[03:58:45] <simonlnu> how you managing your connections? NM?
• 720[03:59:00] <neoncortex> simonlnu: yeah, nm
• 721[03:59:17] <simonlnu> maybe give wpa_supplicant a kick to the butt
• 722[03:59:25] <simonlnu> (i.e., restart it)
• 723[03:59:31] <neoncortex> they say "device disabled in hardware" in a free traduction from pt to eng
• 724[03:59:46] <neoncortex> or translation .. =D
• 725[03:59:50] <simonlnu> have rfkill installed?
• 726[03:59:54] <neoncortex> yeah
• 727[04:00:10] <simonlnu> i imagine you poked it
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• 729[04:00:34] <neoncortex> what do you mean with poked?
• 730[04:00:58] <simonlnu> rfkill unblock [id]
• 731[04:01:07] <neoncortex> yes
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• 733[04:01:30] <simonlnu> :/
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• 736[04:01:53] <neoncortex> i can unblock the software block with the button of the notebook, but they still stay hardware blocked
• 737[04:02:01] <simonlnu> your syslog say anything about why it's in that state?
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• 739[04:02:43] <simonlnu> (it's verbise enough as it is...)
• 740[04:02:48] <simonlnu> verbose*
• 741[04:02:54] <simonlnu> verbise?
• 742[04:03:03] <neoncortex> simonlnu: in reality, i not searched syslog, but dmesg says nothing [ will look syslog ]
• 743[04:03:05] * simonlnu giggles
• 744[04:03:19] <neoncortex> hah
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• 747[04:04:03] <simonlnu> i'm trying to avoid having you reboot the thing
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• 749[04:05:15] <simonlnu> me when the driver is acting funny, i stop nm, wpa_supplicant, unload various drivers, then unload iwlwifi, then i reinsert it,and start the other stuff up after.
• 750[04:05:18] <neoncortex> simonlnu: i tried it many times, tried to unload the module, reboot, load the module, tried to unload other modules and blacklisted some, reseted the bios to default settings and still .. blocked
• 751[04:05:56] <simonlnu> a crappy netbook i had would sometimes get a block like that, but i could always unblock it by flipping the switch a coupla times
• 752[04:06:05] <neoncortex> i even tried to kill rfkill, but it mess with the system xD
• 753[04:06:14] <simonlnu> yeah
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• 755[04:07:04] <simonlnu> full power down. reboot to another os if you have one. otherwise completely depower it, and yes remove the battery.
• 756[04:07:27] <simonlnu> let it sit for a minute. then install battery
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• 758[04:07:55] <neoncortex> yeah, i'll try that later
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• 761[04:08:18] <sheppyh> hey, running debian on unraid with an R7 260X GPU on passthrough, to my amazement it installs and boots perfectly and the performance is pretty darn good! I do have a warning in dmesg about the non-free firmware however. So I install the non-free firmware and now gnome doesnt load - looks like the OpenGL issue. I expect if I run the fix for that it will work however - it makes me ask, how does the VM boot and run so well without the firmware or a driver
• 762[04:08:18] <sheppyh> installed, or does the OS install detect the radeon GPU and then install the xorg driver? Just wondering how it works
• 763[04:08:25] <simonlnu> these things sometimes need a "kick in the you know what"
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• 766[04:09:09] <neoncortex> simonlnu: sure, thanks =D
• 767[04:09:14] * simonlnu asks what's an unraid
• 768[04:09:38] <sheppyh> unraid - kvm/qemu
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• 770[04:09:44] <simonlnu> oh, ok
• 771[04:09:51] <simonlnu> ty
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• 773[04:10:13] <simonlnu> good luck neoncortex
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• 775[04:11:08] <sheppyh> the reason I think im confused that it works is because previously I've always run the OS install with TWO GPUs attached - either VMware's VGA console, or the VNC adapter you can add in unRaid - I guess my question is:
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• 777[04:11:28] <sheppyh> does the OS install process detect and then install appropriate drivers for the installed GPU
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• 781[04:12:42] <simonlnu> one could think so, yes
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• 784[04:14:48] <sheppyh> I did a dpgk-query -l and loads of drivers are listed actually, incl VMware and ATI, no nVidia though (not that its relevant to me just interesting)
• 785[04:15:52] <sheppyh> so I guess the problems I always had was with having two GPUs
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• 791[04:20:26] <neoncortex> simonlnu: NetworkManager[498]: <info> rfkill2: found WiFi radio killswitch (at /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.1/usb2/2-1/2-1:1.0/ieee80211/phy2/rfkill2) (driver rtl8187)
• 792[04:20:33] <neoncortex> that is what i found in syslog
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• 804[04:22:37] <sheppyh> argh ffs it doesn't work
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• 810[04:22:45] <sewer> Hey all. I'm wondering about SELinux on Debian Jessie. I understand there is no SELinux policy in the main repositories due to some RC bugs that couldn't be patched in time. It doesn't even look like there's a policy in backports. Has anyone gotten SELinux up and running for Jessie? if so, how?
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• 814[04:23:03] <sheppyh> every night I am up till 4am working on this cr4p and it does my head in but i fkin love it. fu debian
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• 818[04:23:39] <faultline> sewer: I think there's an article on debian.org about doing it, but the list of caveats is pretty lengthy.
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• 824[04:24:13] <markybob> sewer: yeah it's not very well supported. at all. i wouldn't touch it.
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• 829[04:24:30] <sewer> faultline: i was afraid of that. My goal here is just to mess around with SELinux and it's not for anything urgent or for production so i'll probably just skip it for now
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• 832[04:24:42] <sewer> if I really want to get into it i'll run a fedora vm and call it a day
• 833[04:24:42] <neoncortex> i tried many times selinux, but aways end with some part of the system blocked and don't know how to write the rule for it properly, it is somekind black magic
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• 836[04:25:18] <sewer> it looked so simple here: replaced-url
• 837[04:25:22] <sewer> got my hopes up lol
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• 840[04:25:27] <markybob> sewer: it's not
• 841[04:25:53] <sewer> I see that now. Ah well, thanks for letting me know
• 842[04:26:08] <neoncortex> heh =D
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• 845[04:26:22] <neoncortex> it's not simple as it sounds
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• 1041[04:26:51] <faultline> sewer: Fedora/CentOS/RHEL were built around it. Debian wasn't.
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• 1089[04:27:58] <sheppyh> Okay so bottom line, using opensource drivers as documented here: replaced-url
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• 1102[04:29:27] <markybob> sheppyh: non free drivers for graphics makes up maybe 30% of the support in here. they fucking suck
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• 1114[04:31:44] <sheppyh> I know :(
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• 1119[04:34:16] <neoncortex> later
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• 1126[04:35:43] <jmcnaught> sheppyh: there's a newer firmware-linux-nonfree in backports, not sure if it includes an updated radeon firmware though. If you post some logs (/var/log/Xorg.0.log for example) someone might be able to help you.
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• 1131[04:36:29] <sheppyh> alright will get on it tomorrow
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• 1133[04:36:52] <sheppyh> also I wonder if the BIOS has something to do with it
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• 1242[05:26:57] <derp_commander> Ok, I'm having an issue where a package I need isn't in backports
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• 1244[05:27:28] <derp_commander> I can get it from another repository, but that depends on libjpeg8, which Debian removed...
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• 1246[05:27:39] <markybob> derp_commander: which package?
• 1247[05:27:45] <markybob> !tell derp_commander about dontbreakdebian
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• 1249[05:28:40] <derp_commander> markybob: believe me, I'm trying not to :-)
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• 1254[05:29:06] <markybob> derp_commander: i'm still curious about what package
• 1255[05:29:22] <markybob> ,checkbackport libjpeg8
• 1256[05:29:23] <judd> Backporting package libjpeg8 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
• 1257[05:29:34] <markybob> derp_commander: so libjpeg8 is fixed. what's next ?
• 1258[05:29:48] <derp_commander> ???
• 1259[05:30:05] <derp_commander> one minute
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• 1261[05:30:15] <markybob> derp_commander: you can get libjpeg8 on jessie no problem
• 1262[05:30:45] <derp_commander> markybob: is it a source-only package>
• 1263[05:30:47] <derp_commander> *?
• 1264[05:31:02] <markybob> !tell derp_commander about ssb
• 1265[05:31:27] <TomTomTosch> has me on the edge of my seat...
• 1266[05:31:43] <markybob> derp_commander: so what's the actual package? what are you trying?
• 1267[05:31:45] <jmcnaught> derp_commander: if you tell us the package you're trying to install someone might have a solution for you. this is more of a tech support kind of place than a moral support one
• 1268[05:32:12] <derp_commander> jcara: PhantomJS
• 1269[05:32:22] <derp_commander> moral support, lol
• 1270[05:33:06] <markybob> derp_commander: okay yeah. that should be doable. just do ssb of libjpeg8 and then you should be able to build that
• 1271[05:34:26] <derp_commander> markybob: I think I just remembered what might be the problem
• 1272[05:34:36] <markybob> derp_commander: i just told you the problem
• 1273[05:34:37] <markybob> wtf
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• 1275[05:34:43] <derp_commander> no, it was something else
• 1276[05:34:48] <markybob> TomTomTosch: help me
• 1277[05:35:03] <TomTomTosch> the website has a static build. no need to do anything. fin.
• 1278[05:35:23] <derp_commander> no, I forgot this machine is on the Kali repos, not the main debian ones. but they're both jessie
• 1279[05:35:29] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
• 1280[05:35:43] <markybob> derp_commander: great. another not supported distro asking #debian for help
• 1281[05:36:02] <markybob> fucking shit
• 1282[05:36:05] <derp_commander> markybob: but I just added the main debian repos, and I still don't see a "libjpeg8" package
• 1283[05:36:16] <derp_commander> and yes, I did apt-get update
• 1284[05:36:24] <jmcnaught> derp_commander: Kali isn't supported here. Use the Kali support channel/forums
• 1285[05:36:25] <markybob> derp_commander: that's because it's not in there. that's not what i said
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• 1287[05:37:01] <derp_commander> markybob: I added the backport repo too
• 1288[05:37:07] <TomTomTosch> derp_commander, install the thing from their website, it has no dependencies besides fontconfig.
• 1289[05:37:08] <markybob> derp_commander: also not what i said
• 1290[05:37:47] <TomTomTosch> they offer a binary that has all libs statically linked.
• 1291[05:38:33] <TomTomTosch> we gave you two valid options now. pick one.
• 1292[05:38:46] <markybob> three, actually :P
• 1293[05:39:19] <TomTomTosch> *we gave you three valid options now. pick one.
• 1294[05:39:31] <derp_commander> markybob: I hate installing anything outside the PM :-(
• 1295[05:40:27] <ChmEarl> !ssb
• 1296[05:40:27] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 1298[05:40:46] <markybob> i already told him that. but that's nonsense since he's not using debian. stop
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• 1302[05:41:09] <markybob> it will fuck him up
• 1303[05:41:32] <jmcnaught> derp_commander: sometimes installing a binary tarball is better than adding a third-party repo that will mess up your future upgrades. PhantomJS isn't even in Debian Stable, and you're not using Debian. If you want correct advice, get it from the correct channel.
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• 1307[05:42:11] <TomTomTosch> ^ markybob gave up on his shitty internet connection and is now connected over telegraph :P
• 1308[05:42:13] <derp_commander> jmcnaught: that channel is deader than the cow who's muscles I just ate
• 1309[05:42:26] <suprn0va> lol
• 1310[05:42:33] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell derp_commander about based on debian
• 1311[05:42:45] <markybob> TomTomTosch: it's not my fucking fault all i have is a cell phone :/
• 1312[05:42:46] <jmcnaught> derp_commander: that's one of the downsides to using a smaller distro
• 1313[05:43:12] <derp_commander> "is clueless or n\nt"?
• 1314[05:43:17] <derp_commander> is that a typo?
• 1315[05:43:24] <markybob> TomTomTosch: i live in the woods. i wish you could see. literally no homes. just trees.
• 1316[05:44:03] <derp_commander> markybob: but can you see the forest for the trees? :-P
• 1317[05:44:55] <markybob> yep. smoke time.
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• 1322[05:47:29] <derp_commander> !based on debian
• 1323[05:47:30] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 1324[05:47:48] <derp_commander> huh, no typo
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• 1327[05:48:19] <jmcnaught> derp_commander: the topic has examples of how to query the bot privately
• 1328[05:48:45] <derp_commander> jmcnaught: no, but I wanted to see if the same thing happened when invoked publicly
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• 1332[05:50:50] <derp_commander> dpkg: tell derp_commander about based on debian
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• 1334[05:51:14] <derp_commander> huh, must have been some freaky one-off thing
• 1335[05:51:41] <derp_commander> nm
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• 1345[05:55:58] <derp_commander> you know what would be neat? if logging into SASL with a valid nick pass automatically ghosted any leftover ghosts
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• 1381[06:16:32] <jim> is there icecat in debian?
• 1382[06:16:42] <markybob> jim: no
• 1383[06:17:14] <jim> hmm
• 1384[06:17:26] <TomTomTosch> jim, you like the cat logo more? :P
• 1385[06:18:51] <jim> I
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• 1387[06:19:02] <jim> err I have a limited ram situation
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• 1390[06:20:10] <mms_> google chrome 32bit deb download ?
• 1391[06:20:31] <markybob> jim: why would icecat be better at that than debian's iceweasel?
• 1392[06:20:35] <TomTomTosch> mms_, no.
• 1393[06:21:10] <mms_> TomTomTosch: how to make 64bit work on it then ?
• 1394[06:21:26] <mms_> no backward compatibility ?
• 1395[06:21:33] <markybob> mms_: apt-get install chromium
• 1396[06:21:38] <somiaj> !multiarch
• 1397[06:21:38] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
• 1398[06:21:43] <TomTomTosch> mms_, you use chromium. is there a reason you want the third party one?
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• 1400[06:21:50] <jim> markybob, not sure... and that would be the comparison too... right now, 512mb ram, so I have to be careful or the oom come get me
• 1401[06:21:50] <somiaj> though I would just use the 64bit binaries and not install 32bit ones using 32bit libs
• 1402[06:21:57] <derp_commander> I use the fox :-P
• 1403[06:22:12] <mms_> markybob: I went to google drive and docs and it shows alert on top that unsupported browser
• 1404[06:22:13] <markybob> jim: i think they would be identical on the ram front
• 1405[06:22:41] <markybob> mms_: chromium has driv/docs/alerts...
• 1406[06:22:45] <mms_> TomTomTosch: I already installed chromium and using it but drive/docs complain that unsupported browser though it works
• 1407[06:22:48] <jim> hmm, then I might as well wait till the replacement machine is ready
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• 1409[06:23:13] <markybob> mms_: pastebin apt-cache policy chromium
• 1410[06:23:16] <mms_> markybob: what ? when I open google document it shows that alert on top
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• 1412[06:23:33] <somiaj> jim: You might be okay on many pages if you don't start opening up a lot of tabs.
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• 1415[06:25:47] <mms_> for command line pastebin what to install ?
• 1416[06:25:52] <TomTomTosch> mms_, google does provide a 64 .deb . it's still not a good idea to use that.
• 1417[06:26:17] <markybob> mms_: paste.debian.net
• 1418[06:26:18] <TomTomTosch> 64 bit that is.
• 1419[06:26:22] <STMelon> afk abit
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• 1421[06:26:35] <mms_> TomTomTosch: my query was if I install google deb 64 bit will it install and work ?
• 1422[06:27:05] <TomTomTosch> mms_, can't tell, it's third party. you should ask google support.
• 1423[06:27:07] <mms_> markybob: manually I know to copy paste there but I was wondering if there was some command line utility
• 1424[06:27:20] <markybob> !pastebinit
• 1425[06:27:20] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b replaced-url
• 1426[06:27:26] <mms_> TomTomTosch: in general 64bit will it install and work fine on 32 bit os ?
• 1427[06:27:34] <markybob> mms_: no
• 1428[06:27:53] <markybob> mms_: wow. no. i didn't realize you had a 32-bit OS. you're done
• 1429[06:27:55] <mms_> oh what is pastebinit then
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• 1433[06:28:57] <SoCo_cpp> hi all. How can I get a service to wait for USB devices before starting. I'm using Debian GNU/Linux 7 BeagleBoard Debian Image 2015-03-01. I've tried setting my runlevel start links to a high number like , /etc/rc[2,3,4,5].d/S90bla. It starts on boot, but before the USB's are ready.
• 1434[06:29:11] <TomTomTosch> mms_, just interested, what processor do you have?
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• 1436[06:29:40] <mms_> TomTomTosch: how to find ?
• 1437[06:29:51] <markybob> mms_: cat /proc/cpuinfo
• 1438[06:29:58] <SoCo_cpp> are lowest runlevel link scripts ran last maybe, instead of first?
• 1439[06:30:19] <jim> somiaj, yes, that's true. the funny thing is, pastebin.com oom-kills my browser almost every time
• 1440[06:30:45] <somiaj> jim: yea I avoid that site.
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• 1442[06:31:29] <jim> I'm temporarily a little crippled with the reduced ram/machine... but that won't last
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• 1444[06:31:48] <mms_> model name : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz
• 1445[06:31:59] <markybob> mms_: yeah that's 32 only
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• 1454[06:33:07] <TomTomTosch> mms_, but as i said, chrome is third party. they say it runs on debian, but who knows.
• 1455[06:33:29] <SoCo_cpp> I guess I'll just modify the init.d script to wait, I thought there was a USB dependency thing for services thouhg..
• 1456[06:33:50] <TomTomTosch> mms_, it could delete your cat pictures and try to frame you for murder as far as we know.
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• 1459[06:34:10] <mms_> markybob: replaced-url
• 1460[06:34:13] <alphazulu> hi. i want to install debian as dual boot on a system with uefi bios gpt partition types. last time i tried to install grub to the linux partition only and setup windows boot manager to be able to choose, however i could never get the linux partition to boot and eventually just reinstalled and had grub install to the MBR of the drive. now I'm about to setup Debain again dual boot on another system
• 1461[06:34:13] <alphazulu> and want to get this right
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• 1463[06:34:48] <mms_> TomTomTosch: I trust google !
• 1464[06:34:49] <markybob> mms_: yes. that's old and 32-bit. i can see why a site would tell you it's not supported
• 1465[06:35:20] <markybob> mms_: my company website doesn't support that
• 1466[06:35:25] <mms_> pastebinit is command line tool I could get your chromium output
• 1467[06:35:46] <mms_> well now that we have chromium deb details how to upgrade ?
• 1468[06:35:48] <derp_commander> mms_: really? you do?
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• 1470[06:36:10] <mms_> derp_commander: you do not rely on android ?
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• 1472[06:36:36] <markybob> mms_: on wheezy? you don't
• 1473[06:36:37] <derp_commander> mms_: no
• 1474[06:36:48] <mms_> derp_commander: google search ?
• 1475[06:36:54] <markybob> mms_: i'm pretty sure not even google's official chrome deb would work. it'd break
• 1476[06:37:16] <mms_> markybob: then do I need to upgrade from wheezy ?
• 1477[06:37:20] <derp_commander> mms_: I trust it only marginally more than the alternatives
• 1478[06:37:41] <markybob> mms_: you should probably always be running stable unless you have a reason not to
• 1479[06:37:46] <mms_> derp_commander: world today uses google search as secondary brain
• 1480[06:38:09] <mms_> markybob: well I can continue for now its just alert I get but things work
• 1481[06:38:14] <derp_commander> mms_: I as a rule don't trust anything powerful
• 1482[06:38:16] <mms_> I thought if I could easily avoid it
• 1483[06:38:39] <markybob> mms_: why aren't you running stable?
• 1484[06:38:47] <mms_> derp_commander: your choices but mass public do not have time to fight all that
• 1485[06:38:55] <mms_> markybob: I am running stable
• 1486[06:39:03] <markybob> mms_: wheezy is not stable
• 1487[06:39:10] <markybob> mms_: that's oldstable
• 1488[06:39:15] <mms_> markybob: I must have done dist upgrade
• 1489[06:39:16] <derp_commander> when I have to, I divide my personal info among several big companies so none of them has too much info on its own
• 1490[06:39:35] <TomTomTosch> mms_ what version number does lsb-release -a tell?
• 1491[06:39:56] <TomTomTosch> mms_ lsb_release -a that is.
• 1492[06:39:56] <markybob> mms_: i'm sure you have. you didn't change /etc/apt/sources.list and do the upgrade process properly
• 1493[06:40:12] <mms_> 7.9
• 1494[06:40:17] <markybob> mms_: that's not stable
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• 1496[06:40:27] <markybob> mms_: oldstable like i said
• 1497[06:40:36] <markybob> !tell mms_ about wheezy->jessie
• 1498[06:40:40] <mms_> I must have edited sources.list to download some packages reading some instructions
• 1499[06:41:27] <markybob> mms_: next time ask here first
• 1500[06:41:30] <mms_> so now should I do that wheezy -> jessie in sources.list and do dist-upgrade ?
• 1501[06:41:36] <markybob> mms_: yes
• 1502[06:41:49] <mms_> ok and it will fix chromium issue ?
• 1503[06:41:58] <markybob> mms_: probably
• 1504[06:42:00] <mms_> I mean what would I gain from it ?
• 1505[06:42:08] <mms_> ok just that I will be running stable version
• 1506[06:42:16] <mms_> I am not sure why I choose wheezy
• 1507[06:42:29] <markybob> mms_: i don't know either why you did
• 1508[06:42:33] <mms_> may be my netbook hpmini 1030NR might have needed some thing
• 1509[06:42:38] <TomTomTosch> chromium will jump from 37 to 48.
• 1510[06:42:59] <mms_> If I now revert or downgrade I might loose some thing ?
• 1511[06:43:03] <mms_> some thing might stop working
• 1512[06:43:11] <markybob> mms_: there is no downgrade
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• 1514[06:43:15] <markybob> !downgrade
• 1515[06:43:15] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
• 1516[06:43:56] <mms_> ok let me do that now hope all goes well else I will have to have hard time
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• 1518[06:44:18] <markybob> mms_: make sure you reboot after
• 1519[06:44:37] <TomTomTosch> do a backup first so you will not have a hard time.
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• 1521[06:45:09] <mms_> I updated sources.list now doing apt-get update, upgrade and then dist-upgrade
• 1522[06:45:14] <mms_> I hope thats all good
• 1523[06:45:20] <markybob> mms_: no
• 1524[06:45:23] <markybob> mms_: stop
• 1525[06:45:27] <mms_> oh
• 1526[06:45:37] <mms_> I did just apt-get update
• 1527[06:45:41] <markybob> mms_: don't upgrade. don't do that. only dist-upgrade
• 1528[06:45:44] <mms_> should I stop there /
• 1529[06:45:45] <markybob> mms_: don't
• 1530[06:45:46] <mms_> ok
• 1531[06:45:56] <mms_> I already did update
• 1532[06:45:58] <markybob> mms_: the bot told you what to do man
• 1533[06:46:04] <markybob> jesus
• 1534[06:46:06] <mms_> should I now do dist-upgrade
• 1535[06:46:15] <mms_> ok update is already done
• 1536[06:46:29] <markybob> yes.
• 1537[06:46:30] <mms_> should I proceed with dist-upgrade ?
• 1538[06:46:33] <mms_> ok doing
• 1539[06:46:53] <markybob> mms_: please tell me you didn't do upgrade though
• 1540[06:47:04] <mms_> I have not
• 1541[06:47:09] <markybob> okay
• 1542[06:49:34] <derp_commander> mms_: wait, you still have a netbook?
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• 1544[06:51:25] <markybob> mms_: don't listen to whatever derp_commander says
• 1545[06:52:10] <markybob> mms_: he doesn't use debian
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• 1548[06:52:52] <mms_> markybob: replaced-url
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• 1550[06:53:00] <mms_> I got some error like this in update
• 1551[06:53:18] <mms_> I hope its no issue and I can proceed with dist-upgrade
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• 1553[06:53:52] <markybob> mms_: yeah. chrome/chromium doesn't support 32-bit anymore. kinda sucks
• 1554[06:54:02] <mms_> ok I will proceed then
• 1555[06:54:10] <TomTomTosch> mms_, that's third party, not debian. you should remove that from your sources.list.
• 1556[06:54:17] <mms_> ok let me do that
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• 1558[06:54:58] <mms_> I do not know its not in sources.list
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• 1560[06:55:24] <mms_> replaced-url
• 1561[06:55:28] <mms_> thats my sources.list
• 1562[06:55:32] <TomTomTosch> mms_, then somewhere in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
• 1563[06:55:49] <mms_> ok not sure how / when I edited any thing tehre
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• 1565[06:56:48] <mms_> TomTomTosch: correct I commented there
• 1566[06:56:58] <Ozymandias117> mms_, When you ran their .deb file. It adds itself to your sources.
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• 1568[06:57:53] <TomTomTosch> that's why you don't add third-party stuff. it does things you your system.
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• 1576[07:00:23] <mms_> Ozymandias117: thanks
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• 1578[07:00:31] <mms_> TomTomTosch: ok thats learning
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• 1584[07:02:21] <Ozymandias117> Speaking of, I know you can do like deb [ arch=amd64 ] in sources, but is it possible to instead just say like "remove this architecture from APT::Architectures for this repository" rather than replace the full list?
• 1585[07:03:08] <TomTomTosch> he has a 32 bit system.
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• 1587[07:03:16] <Ozymandias117> I'm asking for myself :P
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• 1613[07:24:48] <babilen> Ozymandias117: No, but then: How many architectures do you have configured?
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• 1629[07:37:31] <Ozymandias117> babilen, Only the two, just curious.
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• 1638[07:41:37] <babilen> Ozymandias117: So far I've ever encountered whitelisting which somehow makes sense as you would only have a small number of architectures anyway
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• 1640[07:42:29] <monsune> when you mount a VM's .raw disk image via /dev/loop0 is it ok to copy/move data to/from it while VM is running?
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• 1644[07:43:41] <ar> monsune: No. Doing that is asking for trouble and data/filesystem corruption'
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• 1646[07:44:12] <monsune> that's what i thought :/
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• 1648[07:44:31] <cafuego> you can probably read-only mount it and copy data off.
• 1649[07:44:56] <cafuego> Or you could install nfsd on the vm and just mount it externally
• 1650[07:44:59] <monsune> well it says rw in mount table but still not sure
• 1651[07:45:28] <ar> cafuego: no, you can't really
• 1652[07:45:31] <ar> not reliably
• 1653[07:45:46] <monsune> so this is more like emergency and not a way to use such mounted fs
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• 1656[07:46:31] <ar> monsune: no. that's not something that you should be doing ever.
• 1657[07:47:03] <ar> monsune: doing that in an emergency is just asking for more trouble
• 1658[07:47:23] <monsune> ar what if i need to copy data off a .raw while VM is gone
• 1659[07:47:38] <monsune> this seems ok to just copy and not write to that image
• 1660[07:47:47] <cafuego> monsune: that's different
• 1661[07:48:01] <ar> monsune: when the vm is turned off, that's ok
• 1662[07:48:03] <cafuego> monsune: you should really only have it mouned read-write in *ONE* place
• 1663[07:48:14] <cafuego> monsune: So if the VM is off, it doesn't have it mounted.
• 1664[07:48:16] <monsune> oh so that's the whole point
• 1665[07:48:34] <monsune> never use it when VM is running but when it's off - i could mount and r/w to it
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• 1667[07:48:49] <cafuego> monsune: Otherwise, two kernels write different data to it without knowing about eachother.
• 1668[07:48:54] <monsune> right
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• 1670[07:49:13] <cafuego> monsune: That emand they can overwrite each others data and definitely overwrite each oters metadata.
• 1671[07:49:23] <monsune> indeed
• 1672[07:49:27] <cafuego> which = filesystem corruption
• 1673[07:50:00] <monsune> but would it be ok to access it by 2 kernels while one of them is read-only access?
• 1674[07:50:09] <monsune> i just thought i could backup some stuff more easily that way
• 1675[07:50:25] <monsune> no writing at all
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• 1677[07:50:36] <cafuego> that *should* be ok, but may depend on what you're trying to copy. It is much better to make the FS available as mount
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• 1679[07:51:17] <cafuego> or backup via (local) network using rsync
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• 1681[07:52:11] <monsune> ok i will learn this rule and not try to force "dualing"
• 1682[07:52:15] <claymore> hello people
• 1683[07:52:31] <monsune> thank you very much cafuego and ar
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• 1692[07:58:17] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
• 1693[07:58:22] <alphazulu> ok well i'm running the d-i now to set up the dual boot. when it gets to quesiton about where to install grub i'm not sure what to say
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• 1695[07:58:51] <ychaouche> I want to install set heirloom-mail as an alternative to mailx how do I do that ? (I mean using the debian altenrnatives system)
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• 1697[07:59:18] <ychaouche> here's what I tried : replaced-url
• 1698[07:59:37] <somiaj> alphazulu: most likely you want to put it in the mbr of your main disk you are booting from
• 1699[07:59:40] <alphazulu> !tell ychaouche about alternatives
• 1700[08:00:07] <somiaj> alphazulu: then you will want to install os-prober to find your other os and grub will allow you to boot form it (note efi boot or gpt partition tables may be slightly different)
• 1701[08:00:17] <alphazulu> somiaj: yes i did that once before and it worked. this time around i was hoping to keep the Windows MBR and just add an option for Debian
• 1702[08:00:58] <alphazulu> somiaj: will there be any issue with the fact that Windows is UEFI?
• 1703[08:01:11] <alphazulu> grub can handle that?
• 1704[08:01:17] <somiaj> alphazulu: is windows using legacy boot or efi?
• 1705[08:01:25] <alphazulu> efi
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• 1708[08:01:59] <somiaj> alphazulu: make sure you boot into efi mode, then grub-efi will be used and grub will just be another option in your efi parititon (provided you have a big enough efi partition) then y ou can use your bios/efi to choose which one to boot.
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• 1710[08:02:19] <somiaj> alphazulu: are you using an offical debian installer or a debian live image?
• 1711[08:03:05] <alphazulu> somiaj: you mean when i boot to the installer media? to boot to the installer media i went through the windows option not through a bios choice of boot device
• 1712[08:03:16] <alphazulu> somiaj: debian installer
• 1713[08:03:38] <somiaj> correct, you will want to boot the debian installer using efi mode to correctly install grub-efi
• 1714[08:03:50] <somiaj> then you can just but both boot options in the efi partition
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• 1717[08:04:25] <alphazulu> somiaj: i think that's what happened. in windows i went into PC Settings - Recovery - Advanced boot and there was an option there for Boot Menu. I think that was all EFI
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• 1720[08:05:08] <alphazulu> s/think/hope/
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• 1723[08:06:07] <somiaj> the installer supports both efi and legacy boot, so make sure you boot into efi. In that case Im' unsure if it asks where you want to install grub or just puts it on the efi partition (or gives you efi partitions to choose from)
• 1724[08:06:10] <alphazulu> well, we'll see what happens when it gets to the grub setup. will there be a different option at that point?
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• 1726[08:06:33] <alphazulu> ok thanks i'll just see how it goes
• 1727[08:06:37] <somiaj> it will probabaly list all efi partitions (which might see the one on the usb drive as well as the one on your system)
• 1728[08:06:47] <somiaj> but its been a while, I don't install debian that often
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• 1734[08:10:25] <babilen> alphazulu: We can't help you while configuring the Windows boot manager though. If you decide to use the Debian one you should know that the grub meny will be configured in such a way that you can also boot Windows from it provided that you have os-prober installed.
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• 1737[08:12:24] <alphazulu> babilen: thank. i'm aware of that. i know how to set up the windows boot manager with an app called EacyBCD
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• 1740[08:12:38] <alphazulu> sorry EasyBCD
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• 1745[08:13:15] <babilen> aye
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• 1762[08:19:49] <alphazulu> well i went through everything, installed grub to mbr of the disk, rebooted and... it just booted into Windows normally as before :/
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• 1764[08:21:39] <alphazulu> now when i go to PC Settings -> Recovery - Advanced Startup -> Boot menu I see two options: Windows Boot Manager and ATA HDD0
• 1765[08:22:18] <alphazulu> selecting ATA HDD0 gets me the Grub boot menu where I again have a choice between Debian and Windows
• 1766[08:22:33] <alphazulu> its kind of loopy
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• 1769[08:23:06] <alphazulu> but it works :-)
• 1770[08:23:41] <alphazulu> i miss the old days although EFI boot is a lot better security-wise
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• 1778[08:28:18] <ar> alphazulu: in theory yes, but most efi implementations are bug ridden and rarely if ever updated
• 1779[08:29:20] <alphazulu> ar: so really not that much better for security? interesting.
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• 1789[08:31:30] <ar> alphazulu: secureboot would be useful, but you have no control over the keystore on most efi implementations and grub is actively opposed to implementing support for it (they see it as a drm mechanism)
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• 1796[08:37:10] <alphazulu> what's you're guys' favorite x-based console font? i'm finding oxygen mono to be a bit blocky
• 1797[08:37:55] <somiaj> I just use the default with xterm, works fine for me
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• 1799[08:38:23] <venkat_330> Is it possible to install LIBSSL 0.9.8 in jessie
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• 1804[08:38:50] <alphazulu> somiaj: wow you don't use a tabbed console?
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• 1808[08:39:26] <StigAtle> I use terminator, works great.
• 1809[08:39:48] <StigAtle> ah, fonts, well, I use the default one that comes with terminator then.
• 1810[08:39:52] <Kang0> Which are good app to use Linux debian on android? Without rotting
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• 1814[08:41:15] <babilen> alphazulu: DejaVu Sans Mono obviously -- But seriously, this is a question you can only answer yourself and googling for "programming font" or "console font" should yield a plethora of results and opinions. In the end, pick one you like!
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• 1824[08:46:57] <azswa> Hi, using VirtualBox and have two virtual machines running. Trying to export display from debian machine to centos machine, however I am getting message E233: cannot open displaye852.
• 1825[08:47:08] <azswa> Following this guide replaced-url
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• 1829[08:48:27] <alphazulu> DejaVu Sans Mono - yes! looks good!
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• 1833[08:50:27] <somiaj> alphazulu: with screen why do you need tabs? (:
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• 1835[08:52:16] <alphazulu> somiaj: point well taken
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• 1837[08:53:20] <TomasCZ> somiaj, agreed
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• 1845[08:59:48] <JyZyXEL> replaced-url
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• 1879[09:11:32] <ChrisH_> JyZyXEL: What is above those lines? I would have expected a few more relevant line before
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• 1882[09:11:56] <SparFux> Hi all. I remember in the FAQ I read the question wether to use Debian sid aka unstable as a server OS and the answer was sth like: "Are you crazy? No!" But on a desktop if willing to deal with broken packages it is written was ok. How come? I mean, even a desktop can be hacked.
• 1883[09:12:36] <JyZyXEL> ChrisH_: nothing but the usual CRON stuff
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• 1886[09:13:21] <Ticho_> SparFux: it's not about "being hacked", but about having broken packages and untested stuff
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• 1905[09:15:36] <ChrisH_> JyZyXEL: replaced-url
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• 1911[09:17:43] <SparFux> Ticho: Like, wanting to prevent server and thus service failure? I read security updates don't neccessarily come to Debian sid. So I thought that would be an issue?
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• 1913[09:19:02] <Ticho> I think a more serious issue would be that a server (usually running headless in a remote location) is usually harder to fix than a desktop (usually running under the table right next to your feet)
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• 1921[09:21:06] <JyZyXEL> ChrisH: so i don't have enough "free" memory
• 1922[09:23:20] <SparFux> Ticho: Ok, that would mean it would even be ok to run Debian sid on a laptop / desktop / backup machine with direct access and install several server packages like httpd and so on onto it?
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• 1925[09:24:17] <Ticho> sure, if you're willing to maintain it
• 1926[09:24:26] <JyZyXEL> oh yeah, my "free" memory keeps constantly hitting very low numbers
• 1927[09:24:26] <SparFux> I mean, my wish is for recent software versions. And it's not the biggest problem if packages are broken, as my machines don't run 24/7 and I can directly access them. Service failure is no big trouble neither.
• 1928[09:24:32] <Ticho> it's your hardware and your time after all, if you want to run sid, nobody is going to stop you
• 1929[09:25:14] <SparFux> Ticho: Ok, but I don't want to do really dangerous or senseless things. But ok, thanks for the advice. I think Debian sid is most suitable for me.
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• 1938[09:30:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> SparFux, the point is that sid can break every day. For any machine where being out of production for a day or two until you have fixed a mess is not an option, sid (and also testing) are not the right choice.
• 1939[09:31:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> SparFux, also, if you're not willing/able to fix bugs and put the time in necessary to do so, sid (and to a lesser extent testing) is not a good choice
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• 1941[09:32:17] <SparFux> I am willing to fix bugs. Not being able to access my laptop / desktop wouldn't be the greatest catastrophe. Only security issues would be bad, for example the ransomware would be a catastrophe!
• 1942[09:32:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> every bug, including bugs that render the machine unbootable, will first come into sid. If nobody reports it for something like 2 weeks and it doesn't depend on packages only in sid, it automatically migrates to testing
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• 1946[09:33:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, everything has security issues... like openssl for 20 years
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• 1949[09:34:43] <SparFux> CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, that's true. Not every security issue can be prevented. But at least it's not like Debian sid has no security policy and nobody cares about its security.
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• 1952[09:35:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, the security team for stable is there because someone has to backport bugfixes to the version in stable
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• 1954[09:35:58] <SparFux> CutMeOwnThroat: Using Debian sid, as a last resort for recovering form breakage, I could even install a different OS on a second machine and put the Debian harddrive into it to access data.
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• 1956[09:36:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> sid doesn't have/need that. security bugs in sid are supposed to be fixed in the same way, that all other bugs in sid get fixed when discovered
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• 1958[09:36:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, sid security
• 1959[09:36:11] <dpkg> There is no security support for unstable (sid) at all. Uploads of new packages that fix security vulnerabilities are handled in the same way as any other new version -- this means it's up to the maintainer to do a new upload and you (perhaps) to reconfigure services to cope with the new version. This is one of the reasons unstable is not suitable for day-to-day use in many situations. Also ask me about <moving target>.
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• 1962[09:37:15] <SparFux> CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, that was the thing I read. It might be the maintainer doesn't upload fixes in sid.
• 1963[09:37:40] <CutMeOwnThroat> true
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• 1967[09:38:25] <SparFux> On the other hand, if you run a very strict policy and don't open the system for many services and users, it should be ok. Furthermore it's a good thing to follow security forums.
• 1968[09:38:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> but if the thing seems important enough to enough people, probably some other developer would jump in and make a non-maintainer upload.
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• 1971[09:40:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> so I would think very high-profile bugs would get fixed even if the maintainer isn't available.
• 1972[09:41:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> dunno, I run stable
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• 1974[09:41:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> but bug management seems to be a mess... I ran debsecan in a nightly cronjob for a while
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• 1977[09:42:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> and gave up because there are just *so* many bugs that either don't affect me at all, don't really affect me much, because this is a one-person desktop, or are generally of no high inpact
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• 1979[09:43:24] <SparFux> Yes, it's a one person desktop here, too.
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• 1982[09:43:49] <SparFux> bug management in stable is a mess you mean?
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• 1986[09:44:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> no, bug management as such
• 1987[09:44:14] <SparFux> Ah, ok.
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• 1990[09:45:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> just install debsecan, run it, read a few of the CVEs and then estimate how long it would take to go through the whole list and to judge what is important and what is not
• 1991[09:45:21] <SparFux> Yes, well. But I think if you have one person machines, a good thing is to stay up to date at least to some extend and have proper backups resistant to any impact, like using a polling style.
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• 1996[09:46:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> dunno, there are things like tripwire since the late 80ies
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• 1998[09:47:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> I guess that might make it quite difficult for someone
• 1999[09:47:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> but it's again effort
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• 2002[09:48:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> I guess if you once worked throught the whole list of debsecan and whitelist stuff you have taken care of, it may become useful and feasible
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• 2004[09:49:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> but that's at least 2 days doing nothing else, maybe a week
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• 2007[09:49:21] <SparFux> Sounds like it's for full-time-job admins for systems really really important to run 24/7.
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• 2012[09:49:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, but I think not so much for security reasons
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• 2014[09:50:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> in the end, successful attacks don't seem to happen so much
• 2015[09:50:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> all you have to do is to be a less-easy target than hundreds of others :P
• 2016[09:51:20] <kedare> Did something changed with the debian squeeze official repositories ?
• 2017[09:51:37] <kedare> Looks like the "squeeze" folders from "dists" is not there anymore
• 2018[09:51:42] <kedare> (On many mirrors)
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• 2021[09:52:05] <kedare> So I get this kind of errors when doing "apt-get update": W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 2022[09:52:11] <SparFux> I think this is going to change. There is a huge motivation for hackers to spread ransomware as it's a really good way to earn tons of bitcions.
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• 2025[09:52:46] <SparFux> Thus the effort to write malicious software will grow rapidly from now on.
• 2026[09:52:57] <TomTomTosch> kedare, squeeze LTS ended 29th feb 2016.
• 2027[09:53:08] <kedare> Oh
• 2028[09:53:24] <TomTomTosch> kedare, time to upgrade :P
• 2029[09:53:28] <kedare> So, no more repository ?
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• 2031[09:53:56] <kedare> TomTomTosch: It's for one-shot Docker container to generate packages for this target distribution, we don't have much debian 6 in production anymore
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• 2035[09:54:57] <kedare> The repository is not anymore available on the official mirrors if I understand right ?
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• 2042[09:58:36] <TomTomTosch> kedare, squeeze is now in the archives. in the official mirrors i don't see se squeeze directory. only the update ones, but i don't think any new ones are coming.
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• 2044[09:58:46] <kedare> Ok
• 2045[09:58:51] <kedare> I will try to use the archives so
• 2046[09:58:53] <kedare> Thank you :)
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• 2073[10:10:54] <ghormoon> hi, if process hangs in D+ state, so it can't be even kill -9ed, will it kill it if I reboot or not?
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• 2081[10:14:58] <babilen> ghormoon: It definitely will, yeah
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• 2085[10:15:20] <ghormoon> I'm just not sure. I don't have physicall access to reset the box if it doesn't
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• 2097[10:23:25] <Huck777> hi, I need help please with my monit script. I want to monit rtorrent and if it crashes (which it does a few times a week) to restart. According to the monit webinterface it can't connect on the port of rtorrent (5000) but I know it's running because I can use rutorrent (the webinterface which connects on this port). This is the monit script replaced-url
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• 2104[10:28:18] <p4trix> So I want to move/install a folder into /usr/local which has "bin", "include" and "share" directories. How can I be sure to not overwrite existing stuff and braking the system?
• 2105[10:28:36] <p4trix> breaking*
• 2106[10:30:00] <humbobble> use --interactive
• 2107[10:30:22] <p4trix> Ah, nice, thank you
• 2108[10:31:04] <humbobble> i usually alias -i to be default for root, cos mistakes happen
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• 2110[10:31:27] <p4trix> exactly
• 2111[10:31:41] <humbobble> Huck777, i don't know monit but in your script it says port 5001
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• 2115[10:33:11] <Huck777> humbobble: sry, I ment 5001
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• 2117[10:33:43] <humbobble> ok
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• 2122[10:38:48] <humbobble> is there some reason you still use init? probably systemd has some way to restart services
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• 2160[10:57:20] <donnoc_> hello my friends. Is it possible that Debian wheezy has no openvpn in apt-get?
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• 2169[10:59:12] <cra1g321> replaced-url
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• 2180[11:01:23] <TomTomTosch> donnoc_, you are doing something wrong :P
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• 2188[11:03:14] <dionysus69> do I install watchman as sudo?
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• 2195[11:05:36] <password4> is it possible for me to install a different desktop enviroment ? cinnamon on stable is not working for me
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• 2199[11:05:45] <melindo> I'm having a problem with a pam module, pam_mkhomedir.so. Even if it's configured correctly, and I checked a dozen times, the pam.d/common-session file is completely ignored. Any ideea?
• 2200[11:06:05] <TomTomTosch> password4, sure, pick one and install.
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• 2203[11:06:58] <password4> ah cool , think i'll try xfce next
• 2204[11:07:09] <TomTomTosch> dionysus69, if you mean make install, you probably should not do that at all.
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• 2207[11:07:29] <dionysus69> TomTomTosch: why?
• 2208[11:07:32] <dionysus69> what do you mean
• 2209[11:07:35] <password4> replaced-url
• 2210[11:07:53] <password4> lets hope xfce does not do the same
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• 2215[11:09:05] <TomTomTosch> dionysus69, one minute.
• 2216[11:09:26] <donnoc_> TomTomTosch: hmm ... do you have an other solution, why apt-get dosn't show me openvpn?
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• 2218[11:10:02] <TomTomTosch> donnoc_, post your /etc/apt/sources.list to replaced-url
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• 2226[11:12:03] <donnoc_> TomTomTosch: oh, looks like there are in comment replaced-url
• 2227[11:12:08] <donnoc_> hahahahahhaa xD
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• 2233[11:12:55] <TomTomTosch> donnoc_, no.
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• 2236[11:13:05] <TomTomTosch> !tell donnoc_ about sources.list
• 2237[11:13:09] <donnoc_> TomTomTosch: no?
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• 2240[11:13:55] <TomTomTosch> donnoc_ read what the bot told you, fix your sources.list, do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and you will be able to see openvpn.
• 2241[11:14:19] <TomTomTosch> donnoc_, but don't confuse your debian version or you will break your system.
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• 2249[11:15:36] <donnoc_> TomTomTosch: but then I don't understand you "no". because My list looks quite the same. Only difference is the comment
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• 2251[11:15:51] <donnoc_> TomTomTosch: And the third line is missing
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• 2254[11:16:37] <TomTomTosch> donnoc_, that's not what you linked me.
• 2255[11:16:43] <password4> i switched , and now I'm unable to switch to 1920x1080 res
• 2256[11:17:19] <TomTomTosch> donnoc_, don't know that mirror and your updates line is missing. read again what the bot wrote.
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• 2258[11:18:02] <donnoc_> TomTomTosch: I got what you mean, my url is different
• 2259[11:18:29] <password4> nvm , managed to switch
• 2260[11:18:32] <TomTomTosch> donnoc_, and the update line is missing.
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• 2266[11:19:34] <donnoc_> TomTomTosch: but there is wheezy/updates
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• 2283[11:25:27] <donnoc_> TomTomTosch: Thank you, it woks great
• 2284[11:25:32] <TomTomTosch> donnoc_, read what the bot told you.
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• 2286[11:26:17] <donnoc_> TomTomTosch: are you making fun of me?
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• 2291[11:28:02] <TomTomTosch> donnoc_, i made it pretty clear that your updates line is missing.
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• 2293[11:29:13] <donnoc_> TomTomTosch: and I told you "Thank you, it works great"
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• 2299[11:30:09] <password4> and i said nothing!
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• 2301[11:31:37] <TomTomTosch> dionysus69, it would be a good idea to check what the install script does first.
• 2302[11:31:40] <nidhoegger> hi, i have messed up my fstab a bit. I added an encrypted device. now on boot systemd keeps hanging while trying to mount it, which it cant. Can i interrupt this bootstep? i am not even able to boot into recovery bevause of this
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• 2309[11:33:48] <nidhoegger> no one?
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• 2313[11:35:04] <nidhoegger> guess that means reinstall
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• 2317[11:35:58] <nidhoegger> i know why i avoid systemd like hell -.-
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• 2319[11:36:02] <nidhoegger> crappy bullshit
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• 2340[11:47:45] <marlinc> Is there something like dh_make but for non source code package? In this case its simply a package containing a set of shell scripts
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• 2345[11:50:41] <Ghostbird> Hey guys, I need a newer version of samba due to this bug: replaced-url
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• 2353[11:53:43] <TomTomTosch> Ghostbird, i would like to know which version dpkg -l samba tells you.
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• 2355[11:54:04] <TomTomTosch> Ghostbird, you are on jessie?
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• 2357[11:54:26] <Ghostbird> Yeah, that's why I mentioned jessie-backports.
• 2358[11:54:32] <Ghostbird> Samba version is 4.1.xxx
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• 2360[11:54:52] <Ghostbird> ii samba 2:4.1.17+dfs i386
• 2361[11:55:54] <TomTomTosch> checkbackport samba --fromrelease stretch
• 2362[11:56:03] <TomTomTosch> ,checkbackport samba --fromrelease stretch
• 2363[11:56:04] <judd> Backporting package samba in stretch→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libldb-dev (>= 2:1.1.24~), libtalloc-dev (>= 2.1.3~), libtdb-dev (>= 1.3.7~), libtevent-dev (>= 0.9.25~), python-ldb (>= 2:1.1.24~), python-ldb-dev (>= 2:1.1.24~), python-talloc-dev (>= 2.1.3~), python-tdb (>= 1.3.7~).
• 2364[11:56:24] <TomTomTosch> Ghostbird ^ you will not be able to backport that.
• 2365[11:56:55] <Ghostbird> No, that's why I was wondering whether I should just go stretch, or whether there was a different, more stable, option that I didn't know about.
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• 2370[11:59:11] <tako> i open root terminal and go preferences after i change the theme i click the Use dark theme variant after my system break
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• 2372[11:59:18] <tako> i try this two times
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• 2374[12:01:08] <jordila> replaced-url
• 2375[12:01:27] <jordila> Time will tell...
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• 2407[12:11:05] <hit_> Hi, every time I boot my computer, the ip routes is wrong, it shows 2 default vias: first on eth0 and the second one on wlan0. The one in eth0 is wrong so I need to remove it manually every time to access the internet. Whats the best way to remove it forever so it doesnt appear there again?
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• 2411[12:12:03] <ewew> do you have simutaineous connection via ethernet and wifi ?
• 2412[12:12:13] <hit_> nop only wifi
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• 2415[12:12:50] <ewew> check /etc/network/interfaces.
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• 2420[12:14:03] <hit_> ouch, yep there is a eth connection there
• 2421[12:14:05] <hit_> thanks
• 2422[12:14:24] <ewew> np
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• 2426[12:16:58] <mms_> TomTomTosch: dist-upgrade can I stop and resume later ?
• 2427[12:17:13] <mms_> that is more than GB download and I need to leave now
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• 2429[12:17:46] <mms_> dist-upgrade can I stop and resume later ? its more than GB download and taking long and I need to leave now
• 2430[12:18:03] <mms_> its currently still dong Get:....
• 2431[12:18:10] <mms_> does not look like it started installig
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• 2456[12:31:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> I just realized why gnome-terminals suck... I used to be able to pick out the one terminal window out of 50 or so in which I had a vim open on a file with wmctrl by following the parent-processes
• 2457[12:31:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> now I can find bash and then gnome-termial-server owning 50 bashs :(
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• 2473[12:35:18] <rgr> can someone help me get my new usb audio card working please. dmesg shows it's detected, alsamixer shows it , I select it in alsamixer but still no audio out. Im using it because the onboard audio got frazzled. q1 : should I have pulseaudio or not? But alsamixer and pavucontrol show the usb card as registered btw.
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• 2503[12:49:17] <sheppyh> rgr, try turning the volume up
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• 2513[12:51:27] <password4> coincidentally i have sound issues too
• 2514[12:51:45] <password4> which i just noticed
• 2515[12:51:47] <sheppyh> i have graphics issues so we could start a band
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• 2517[12:52:06] <password4> i have those too
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• 2519[12:53:38] * sheppyh is jealous
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• 2524[12:56:02] <password4> and financial
• 2525[12:56:05] <password4> and emotional
• 2526[12:56:26] <password4> if we start a band based on issues i would actually be first for a change
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• 2536[13:03:46] <rgr> the volume is up...
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• 2546[13:07:00] <teraflops> Assumimg the usb card is detected correctly and you're using pulseaudio. Did you check the output is set to the correct sink (aka your usb card)?
• 2547[13:07:02] <colo-work> I just dist-upgraded a box from wheezy to jessie. it has its / on RAID1, with an appropriate mdadm.conf in place. booting up fails, and I get dropped into a rescue shell, with no md arrays assembled - running `mdadm --assemble --scan` in there an existing the shell resumes the boot process.
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• 2549[13:07:34] <colo-work> I told `dpkg-reconfigure mdadm` that I require these arrays to boot, yet, afaict, mdadm isn't being executed in the initrd. what am I doing wrong?
• 2550[13:07:43] <colo-work> (it used to work on wheezy, btw)
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• 2558[13:11:43] <rgr> teraflops: yes pavucontrol shows output to usb
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• 2560[13:13:07] <teraflops> Tried alsamixer. Press F6. And unmuting if mutted?
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• 2564[13:15:50] <Brigo> colo-work, do you have a separate /usr?
• 2565[13:15:50] <teraflops> Also sometimes you have to set the output of a stream manually. What are you using to play the media?
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• 2567[13:16:31] <colo-work> Brigo, no
• 2568[13:17:00] <Brigo> colo-work, you already did dpkg-reconfigure mdadm, right?
• 2569[13:17:08] <colo-work> Brigo, yes.
• 2570[13:17:13] <rgr> teraflops: yup
• 2571[13:17:22] <colo-work> ha. interesting.
• 2572[13:17:23] <Brigo> did you run update-initramfs -u -a after dpkg-reconfigure mdadm?
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• 2576[13:17:35] <colo-work> I added "rootdelay=10" to the linux boot options, and now it seems to work.
• 2577[13:17:35] <rgr> I wonder if I have some crap old sound config lying around thats fubarring it.
• 2578[13:18:01] <colo-work> so it seems to be a simple race condition :/
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• 2581[13:18:46] <Brigo> colo-work, good guess :)
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• 2583[13:19:07] <Brigo> rgr, you can try this: replaced-url
• 2584[13:19:09] <colo-work> Brigo, thanks for your input though :) much appreciated!
• 2585[13:19:15] <Brigo> colo-work, np :)
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• 2591[13:21:17] <teraflops> rgr: you have a custom ~/.asoundrc ?
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• 2598[13:23:45] <rgr> deleted it and then created a new default with card set to 2. Interestingly vlc played sound BUT my youtube still doesn't in the browser.
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• 2608[13:25:15] <Brigo> rgr, maybe it needs to be reloaded.
• 2609[13:25:28] <rgr> no.
• 2610[13:25:53] <rgr> so vlc sees the card and plays it. everything else (browser based) do not indicating some other config somewhere.
• 2611[13:26:02] <rgr> at least I know the card works though
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• 2614[13:26:49] <MrCrypt0> Hi. I have a short question: I installed debian 8 today with following config: /dev/sda1 -> boot, unencrypted, rest of sda1 encrypted, then lvm on it with a root and a swap logical volume. 3 other HDDs were added to a raid with mdadm (raid5) and then /dev/md0 was encrypted using luks, adding a normal Passphrase and also a keyfile. The keyfile is put on the root partition (which is encrypted) and i added /dev/md0 to the crypttab (raid
• 2615[13:26:49] <MrCrypt0> UUID=<uuid> /path/to/key luks). But that does not seem to work, systemd hangs for about 1,5minutes at boot after the passphrase for the lvm has been entered and seems to be unable to decrypt and map the raid
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• 2619[13:26:57] <MrCrypt0> someone has informations?
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• 2626[13:28:22] <Brigo> MrCrypt0, If that is a short question what is for you a long questiong? :D
• 2627[13:28:36] <MrCrypt0> hehe
• 2628[13:28:44] <MrCrypt0> you dont want to know :)
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• 2633[13:29:29] <Brigo> MrCrypt0, i think you are right :)
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• 2638[13:29:51] <Brigo> MrCrypt0, sadly i don't use encryption so i can't help you.
• 2639[13:29:55] <MrCrypt0> :(
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• 2644[13:32:07] <Amun_Ra> MrCrypt0: could you show your crypttab?
• 2645[13:32:31] <teraflops> r00t-err0r: you do not need ~/.asoundrc since youre running pulseadio
• 2646[13:32:32] <MrCrypt0> of course, one moment please
• 2647[13:32:38] <teraflops> ups
• 2648[13:32:53] <teraflops> late
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• 2650[13:33:36] <MrCrypt0> raid_data UUID=1198a7aa-2b38-4faf-ae01-ec41a910e3e0 /root/.keystorage/raid.key luks
• 2651[13:33:49] <MrCrypt0> this is the according entry for the rais
• 2652[13:33:52] <MrCrypt0> raid
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• 2656[13:34:34] <Amun_Ra> MrCrypt0: and that uid points to md0?
• 2657[13:34:38] <Amun_Ra> uuid*
• 2658[13:34:42] <MrCrypt0> yes
• 2659[13:34:49] <MrCrypt0> found out using blkid
• 2660[13:35:03] <Amun_Ra> MrCrypt0: point somewhere lsblk and ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
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• 2662[13:35:07] <Amun_Ra> MrCrypt0: paste*
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• 2666[13:35:55] <Amun_Ra> MrCrypt0: and, can you create luks partition using key file manually in shell?
• 2667[13:36:07] <MrCrypt0> yes
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• 2670[13:36:33] <MrCrypt0> cryptsetup -c <cipher> -s <keysize> -h <hash> luksFormat <device>
• 2671[13:36:39] <MrCrypt0> and then add a key using luksAddKey
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• 2677[13:37:40] <Amun_Ra> MrCrypt0: well you could add key file in one step (by placing key file after <device>)
• 2678[13:37:50] <MrCrypt0> Amun_Ra, somehow the LS command wont list me my /dev/md0 :/
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• 2681[13:38:14] <MrCrypt0> Amun_Ra, for security reasons i want a passphrase and a keyfile in case the keyfile is lost
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• 2683[13:38:28] <Amun_Ra> MrCrypt0: ah, ok
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• 2685[13:38:51] <Amun_Ra> MrCrypt0: paste.debian.net your lsblk
• 2686[13:38:52] <MrCrypt0> somehow md0 does not exist anymore o_O
• 2687[13:39:20] <Amun_Ra> so the problem is not with cryptsetup
• 2688[13:39:24] <MrCrypt0> my raid does not get detected anymore
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• 2691[13:39:53] <Amun_Ra> MrCrypt0: check /proc/mdstat and /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
• 2692[13:39:57] <MrCrypt0> done that
• 2693[13:40:13] <MrCrypt0> ARRAY /dev/md0 metadata=1.2 spares=1 name=databueck01:0 UUID=1198a7aa-2b38-4faf-ae01-ec41a910e3e0
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• 2695[13:40:38] <MrCrypt0> but proc mdstat does not show me anything
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• 2698[13:41:41] <Amun_Ra> MrCrypt0: mdadm --assemble --scan
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• 2700[13:42:15] <MrCrypt0> nope, nothingh
• 2701[13:42:20] <MrCrypt0> i guess ill recreated the array
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• 2703[13:43:06] <Amun_Ra> that would be the fastest option if the array is empty
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• 2705[13:47:05] <MrCrypt0> it is
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• 2708[13:47:14] <MrCrypt0> but it wont get recognized after reboot again o_O
• 2709[13:47:29] <MrCrypt0> the configuration is definitively correct
• 2710[13:47:31] <MrCrypt0> o_O
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• 2712[13:48:25] <MrCrypt0> scan wont find it either
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• 2720[13:51:54] <Amun_Ra> uhm
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• 2723[13:53:43] <Amun_Ra> MrCrypt0: do those partition retain the same name after reboot?
• 2724[13:53:50] <MrCrypt0> yes
• 2725[13:53:54] <colo-work> on Jessie, how can I _actually_ change lxc's base dir for new containers? replaced-url
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• 2727[13:54:35] <colo-work> (and replaced-url
• 2728[13:54:41] <Amun_Ra> colo-work: as a quick fix, you can symlink /var/lib/lxc anywhere you like
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• 2730[13:55:13] <colo-work> I'm aware of that, but I refuse to believe that's how it's meant to be done ;)
• 2731[13:55:22] <Amun_Ra> colo-work: lxc.lxcpath in /etc/lxc/lxc.conf?
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• 2733[13:55:48] <Amun_Ra> MrCrypt0: is there something in logs?
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• 2735[13:56:17] <colo-work> found it. Amun_Ra, yes, that's it. it is actually documented in lxc.system.conf(5)
• 2736[13:56:28] <Amun_Ra> cool
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• 2739[13:57:10] <MrCrypt0> nope
• 2740[13:57:13] <MrCrypt0> nothing of interest :(
• 2741[13:57:22] <MrCrypt0> i zeroed the superblocks now and tried again
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• 2743[13:57:29] <MrCrypt0> also made sure raid5 is loaded with the initramfs
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• 2746[13:58:14] <MrCrypt0> aahhhhh, now the raid is detected upon boot
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• 2764[14:07:34] <MrCrypt0> okay
• 2765[14:07:40] <MrCrypt0> managed to do it now, superblock was corrupted
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• 2819[14:36:38] <wewlad> hello debs, I've finally bought an external IP, I'd like to expose the webserver running on my debian to the internets, how would I do that by a hostname?
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• 2823[14:37:10] <wewlad> I mean, my Debian machine is in LAN, the router is the one who has the external IP
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• 2825[14:37:37] <wewlad> but I guess it should be fine, it would just affect the length of FQDN of the debian machine, isn't it?
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• 2863[14:52:28] <SanchoPensa> hey, guys! how do i open ed2k:// links please?
• 2864[14:52:39] <wewlad> using edonkey
• 2865[14:53:15] <SanchoPensa> hehe, i had feared, that somebody would say that...
• 2866[14:53:18] <wewlad> SanchoPensa: aMule
• 2867[14:53:22] <markybob> SanchoPensa: by that he means apt-get install amule
• 2868[14:53:41] <SanchoPensa> is that somehow compatible with vuze, do you happen to know?
• 2869[14:53:51] <markybob> SanchoPensa: it's not
• 2870[14:53:54] <SanchoPensa> like with a plugin or whatever?
• 2871[14:53:58] <markybob> SanchoPensa: no
• 2872[14:54:02] <wewlad> hey markybob
• 2873[14:54:18] <SanchoPensa> i see...
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• 2875[14:54:25] <SanchoPensa> thanks for the info, guys!
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• 2881[14:55:39] <wewlad> how to configure fqdn?
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• 2883[14:55:51] <wewlad> hostname --fqdn spits out my hostname
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• 2886[14:56:30] <markybob> wewlad: that's not how it works. you have to pay for a domain name. that's what fqdn means.
• 2887[14:56:47] <noid-> he probably means in his computer
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• 2889[14:56:53] <noid-> your hostname lives inside /etc/hostname
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• 2892[14:56:57] <wewlad> markybob: isn't paying for an external IP enough?
• 2893[14:57:06] <noid-> no
• 2894[14:57:10] <markybob> wewlad: then you either install and configure bind9 or pay someone like dreamhost to have your dns info
• 2895[14:57:13] <markybob> wewlad: no
• 2896[14:57:24] <noid-> in order to get a fqdn, like markybob said, you ned to pay for the domain
• 2897[14:57:24] <wewlad> oh, okay
• 2898[14:57:26] <noid-> *need
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• 2903[14:58:49] <wewlad> thank you guys, I just thought I'd be accessible by some really long FQDN like myPC.myLAN.myISP-subnet.….net
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• 2905[14:59:27] <noid-> well you could fool your computer to think the external IP has a fqdn ;)
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• 2907[14:59:41] <wewlad> I need to fool the internets :)
• 2908[14:59:45] <noid-> ah ;)
• 2909[14:59:53] <noid-> then domain name is what you want.
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• 2911[15:00:08] <noid-> and for that, you need to payz... they're not that expensive
• 2912[15:00:09] <noid-> hehe
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• 2914[15:01:07] <markybob> wewlad: and don't take offense, but you should probably buy someone who will do dns for you. like dreamhost. because bind9 isn't that easy
• 2915[15:01:27] <markybob> well it is if you know what you're doing
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• 2917[15:01:35] <noid-> =]
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• 2922[15:03:36] <karlpinc> noid-: The thing I'd do is read the DNS concept rfc. After that configuring dns is straightforward.
• 2923[15:03:58] <wewlad> markybob: I do have a paid domain name (it's just occupied with the old site for now), I'm configuring a new site to replace the old one, I configure it locally on a debian VM, but since I sometimes get into problems I need to expose my site to the internet to demonstrate the problem, so it's all just temporary. I guess I'll just configure my local website be bound to my external IP then + configure a hairpin nat
• 2924[15:04:10] <noid-> karlpinc: it's wewlad who needs it hehe.
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• 2926[15:04:30] <noid-> wewlad: use a subdomain
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• 2928[15:04:47] <noid-> and point it to your IP
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• 2931[15:05:46] <wewlad> noid-: that's problematic, since I don't have control over old site's server...
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• 2933[15:06:30] <noid-> wewlad: I see. I thought it was your paid domain. you should have access to that at least?
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• 2936[15:07:00] <markybob> wewlad: if you have access to your paid domain you should have access to change dns info
• 2937[15:07:10] <noid-> exactly
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• 2939[15:07:20] <markybob> noid-: i'm kind of wondering if we're being asked to hack/take over a site
• 2940[15:07:27] <karlpinc> Maybe not. DNS registration is indepdent of webserver host serving.
• 2941[15:07:38] <noid-> lol I kno right
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• 2944[15:07:46] <wewlad> markybob: no :)
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• 2947[15:08:41] <wewlad> I mean, I probably do have the access to the domain, but not the hosting, and I guess I need to reconfigure the hosting too
• 2948[15:09:16] <markybob> wewlad: either way it's not debian related. you need to talk to those people and figure it out.
• 2949[15:09:43] <noid-> I agree with markybob.
• 2950[15:09:57] <karlpinc> wewlad: FWIW, nsd + unbound is probably simpler than bind. (Unfortunately it does not do split-horizon dns, which is something I need.)
• 2951[15:10:48] <wewlad> true, thank you, I just came here thinking that every machine that has an external IP must have a FQDN accessible by internets (irregardless of the FQDN length)
• 2952[15:11:28] <wewlad> turns out I was wrong so it has nothing to do with debian, I'll have to use IP binding for now + hairpin nat
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• 2969[15:21:44] <z4sk4> hi all
• 2970[15:21:55] <z4sk4> where is the route and package of the debian installer?
• 2971[15:22:17] <z4sk4> i would like modify it but i dont know the name, in ubuntu for example is the ubiquity
• 2972[15:22:28] <noid-> d-i ?
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• 2978[15:24:30] <z4sk4> noid-: i havent got this package
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• 2981[15:24:34] <noid-> replaced-url
• 2982[15:24:42] <noid-> is that what you are looking for z4sk4 ?
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• 2985[15:25:07] <z4sk4> noid-: yeah!
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• 2989[15:26:02] <z4sk4> noid-: what is the package name? how can i exceute it?
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• 2993[15:26:14] <z4sk4> i need know the name :S
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• 2999[15:27:58] <Rubas> Hello people, someone on my server deleted a whole folder the 24th of February, is it somehow possible to recover it in any way?
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• 3004[15:29:00] <noid-> z4sk4: that depends on what you're trying to achieve. if you want to customize the installer, you should take a look at preseeding. if you want to build a custom iso, you should take a look at: replaced-url
• 3005[15:29:14] <Ghostbird> Rubas: Unless you've got a backup, normally it isn't.
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• 3009[15:30:04] <Ghostbird> Rubas: It's already been a week, and it's a server, so I don't give it much chance, but you could try something like this: replaced-url
• 3010[15:30:09] <markybob> z4sk4: what do you mean by execute?
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• 3013[15:31:08] <z4sk4> noid-: i can do the custum iso, but with a bad installer and strange (remastersys), and i wanna do with the installer of debian
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• 3015[15:31:15] <teraflops> noid-: The more you let the machine powered on the less chances you have
• 3016[15:31:31] <noid-> teraflops: what?
• 3017[15:31:32] <Rubas> Thank you Ghostbird for your advice, I'll look into it and see what I can do. :)
• 3018[15:31:39] <teraflops> noid-: that
• 3019[15:31:55] <noid-> teraflops: less chances I have for what?
• 3020[15:31:58] <z4sk4> markybob: i try execute debian-installer and i cant an d tell me "ERROR: kexec is not a valid plugin"
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• 3022[15:32:13] <teraflops> I.mean the data is still there until the system rewrite again with new data
• 3023[15:32:26] <markybob> z4sk4: i think there's a language problem. what's your native tongue?
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• 3025[15:32:35] <noid-> teraflops: ah I see. but that's Rubas not me hehe
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• 3027[15:32:41] <z4sk4> markybob: spanish :S
• 3028[15:32:45] <markybob> !es
• 3029[15:32:45] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
• 3030[15:32:48] <teraflops> noid-: heh
• 3031[15:32:50] <z4sk4> ty
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• 3034[15:33:54] <teraflops> noid-: ah right meh
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• 3036[15:34:12] <noid-> :D
• 3037[15:34:19] <wewlad> just a quick update: turns out I do even have an unused domain name, I just can't figure how to bind it to my external IP address, the web interface at domain registrar asks me to write in at least 2 DNSes - since I don't have any DNSes, can I just use google's 8888 and 8844?
• 3038[15:35:28] <wewlad> or am I supposed to run dns servers on my router?
• 3039[15:35:57] <noid-> !dns
• 3040[15:35:57] <markybob> wewlad: no, you can't
• 3041[15:36:16] <markybob> wewlad: you need to have a dns server. either your own or someone you pay to point it to your machine
• 3042[15:36:29] <teraflops> wewlad: you create an A dns record. In whatver dns interface your domain is hosted
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• 3045[15:37:35] <noid-> he still needs a DNS server
• 3046[15:37:39] <wewlad> I could set up a dns server on my router, but what's the point if it has the external IP that I am supposed to bind to the webserver...
• 3047[15:37:44] <wewlad> yeah, I guess you are right
• 3048[15:37:46] <noid-> doesn't the domain provider have DNS servers?
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• 3050[15:37:55] <noid-> they should.
• 3051[15:38:10] <markybob> wewlad: a dns server is what tells the internet where your server is
• 3052[15:38:15] <teraflops> noid-: well you can transfer it to dns.he.net noip etc etc
• 3053[15:38:18] <markybob> yes, they should
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• 3055[15:38:30] <markybob> i told him that before
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• 3062[15:40:01] <wewlad> yes, they do have, just didn't notice it
• 3063[15:40:05] <wewlad> so I can use their dnses
• 3064[15:40:06] <wewlad> yay
• 3065[15:40:10] <noid-> teraflops: true.
• 3066[15:40:41] <noid-> wewlad: yes. and then, just create an A record pointing to your external IP.
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• 3068[15:41:10] <noid-> wewlad: if by chance, you have a dynamic IP (from your ISP) I suggest you get a dynamic dns service like noip, so it keeps track of your external IP.
• 3069[15:41:15] <wewlad> noid-: as soon as I find a way to do that :-/
• 3070[15:41:39] <wewlad> noid-: hopefully I have a static IP (why would I pay for a dynamic one?)
• 3071[15:41:57] <wewlad> anyways, thank you guys all
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• 3073[15:42:00] <noid-> wewlad: well... ISPs give you dynamic IPs hehe unless you pay extra for a static.
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• 3077[15:42:57] <teraflops> Ehhh you pay for the opposite!
• 3078[15:42:59] <teraflops> Heh
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• 3084[15:47:23] <Ghostbird> I got a free FQDN and a free static IP with my broadband internet.
• 3085[15:47:37] <wewlad> noid-: ISPs give me static but local IP unless I pay extra for an external IP, but I dunno if it's static or not
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• 3087[15:47:53] <wewlad> Ghostbird: country and $/mo?
• 3088[15:47:57] <bmomjian> What version of Samba is on Jessie? 3.6.6?
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• 3091[15:48:27] <Ghostbird> Netherlands, costs about €35,--/mnd but that's including VoIP.
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• 3093[15:48:32] <TomTomTosch> bmomjian, 4.1.17
• 3094[15:48:34] <bmomjian> This says 4.1.17 but I have 3.6.6 for some odd reason
• 3095[15:48:41] <bmomjian> ok, so something is wrong in my system
• 3096[15:49:03] <TomTomTosch> bmomjian, you are on wheezy then, not jessie.
• 3097[15:49:13] <bmomjian> smbd says 3.6.6.
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• 3099[15:49:27] <TomTomTosch> bmomjian, 3.6.6 is the version wheezy has.
• 3100[15:49:46] <bmomjian> no, lsb_release -a says Jessie
• 3101[15:49:54] <Pseudo> amm having a problem to aptitude update when installing a package from cdrom after i do dpkg --archirecture 1386 the result turn to the package for i385 is not found am using amd64 how do i fix ir
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• 3103[15:50:08] <wewlad> 35 euro month? woah, I pay just around 4,5$ for a 100mbit/100mbit unlim traffic with an external IP
• 3104[15:50:12] <bmomjian> I somehow had samba backports on Squeeze and it seems to have remainded after the upgrade. :-(
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• 3107[15:50:53] <wewlad> Ghostbird: ^
• 3108[15:51:02] <bmomjian> hold
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• 3111[15:51:53] <bmomjian> I might be OK, I see 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u1 shown in dpkg.list.1, but log.smbd shows 3.6.6. Is that normal?
• 3112[15:52:19] <TomTomTosch> bmomjian, what das dpkg -l samba say?
• 3113[15:52:30] <bmomjian> smbd version 3.6.6 started.
• 3114[15:52:51] <bmomjian> shows 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8
• 3115[15:53:02] <noid-> apt-cache show samba|grep Version
• 3116[15:53:02] <noid-> Version: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u1
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• 3118[15:53:21] <bmomjian> shows 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u1
• 3119[15:53:36] <noid-> smbd is the dameon for server message block
• 3120[15:53:45] <noid-> smbd != samba
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• 3123[15:53:52] <bmomjian> Oh, wow, OK, thanks
• 3124[15:54:07] <bmomjian> I know I had a backports problem and was told the upgrade would fix it, and it seems to have. Thanks
• 3125[15:54:15] <noid-> np
• 3126[15:55:17] <bmomjian> has anyone gotten apt-get --simulate to work? This is marked as done but I don't see it working: replaced-url
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• 3129[15:55:44] <bmomjian> Actually the emails says it is not fixed. :-(
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• 3134[15:59:31] <rerere> i have some problem with permissions, i can't copy files like i am not root user
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• 3158[16:11:09] <koracain> so if i want just a single package out of unstable how would i go about doing that?
• 3159[16:12:06] <blind> !ssb
• 3160[16:12:06] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 3161[16:12:16] <koracain> to be more specific i want to use the linux-grsec kernel out of unstable whilst the rest of my packages(excluding dependancies) follow testing
• 3162[16:12:22] <somiaj> koracain: compile it yourself.
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• 3164[16:12:31] <somiaj> koracain: is that kernel not backported? What is the package name?
• 3165[16:12:40] <koracain> tiny vps
• 3166[16:12:46] <koracain> linux-grsec
• 3167[16:13:05] * koracain never uses debian, havn't checked for a backport
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• 3170[16:13:19] <somiaj> koracain: oh this is in testing, you can probabaly just install the sid kernel package manually, I would expect the depends are satsifiable in testing
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• 3172[16:13:28] <somiaj> koracain: that advise is more for stable users which is what we usually assume people are running
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• 3174[16:14:01] <somiaj> advise for testing can be a bit different, since at least now in the development testing/unstable aren't too far apart.
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• 3176[16:15:31] <awal1> Guys, trying to find how to list all recommends installed in my system via cli, only installed recommends, not the non-installed, but I dont get it. Any suggestion (sophisticated/complex apt/aptitude/dpkg command)?
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• 3180[16:17:38] <somiaj> awal1: This may not be a straight forward task, because a package recomended by one package may actuall be dependened on by another package, so should your list say it is a recomends or not.
• 3181[16:17:49] <somiaj> awal1: are you doing this to try to remove recommends from your system?
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• 3185[16:19:47] <awal1> somiaj, yeah; trying to remove non-needed recommends. I'm almost a novice. When I started using debian I wasn't looking at recommends and now that I know a bit more about debian, I take care about recommends/suggests. so I want free space removing recommends
• 3186[16:20:35] <somiaj> !recommends
• 3187[16:20:52] <somiaj> awal1: removing recommended packages can reduce functionality and most likely should be insatlled.
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• 3194[16:22:59] <awal1> somiaj, right, thats what I learned somewhere but if I was able to list them all then check if needed for functionality, it will be great
• 3195[16:23:04] <somiaj> !apt recommends
• 3196[16:23:04] <dpkg> Packages required in all but unusual cases (that is, "breakable" dependencies) are called "recommended" packages. By not installing these packages, you miss the standard functionality they provide. To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. See <why recommends>.
• 3197[16:23:09] <somiaj> !why recommends
• 3198[16:23:09] <dpkg> From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, apt-get and aptitude both install "Recommended" packages by default. From <policy> section 7.2, Recommends, "declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." You're not that unusual, trust us. By not installing "recommended" packages you will be missing functionality.
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• 3203[16:25:42] <awal1> ok
• 3204[16:25:46] <somiaj> awal1: I would just let them stay installed, usually disk space isn't that big of a deal if you aren't using the functionality. As for searching for them, you may be able to piece together some aptitude search flags, but as I mentioned previousally, realize that a package may be a 'recommended' by one package, but be a 'depends' by another so you will have to then elimate packages that fall into that case.
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• 3209[16:26:46] <awal1> somiaj, yeah, ok, that's the deal...
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• 3211[16:27:09] <somiaj> awal1: I use to avoid them, and I do think there are some packages that dont' follow policy, i.e. they recommend a package when it should be suggested, in this case this should be a bug. I just gave up caring as it had too much micromanagement
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• 3215[16:29:23] <jelly-home> that's one opinionated factoid
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• 3217[16:29:56] <awal1> somiaj, ok, so l think I give up :( Next time I install debian / reinstall I'll take care about all that
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• 3220[16:30:34] <jelly-home> dpkg, why recommends =~ s/You're not that unusual, trust us. //
• 3221[16:30:35] <dpkg> jelly-home: OK
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• 3224[16:32:29] <awal1> I run xfce/openbox, but I see that gnome settings daemon, yelp are installed
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• 3226[16:33:01] <awal1> I purged them, I no remember why they were installed
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• 3230[16:33:55] <somiaj> awal1: lots of gtk apps will require some gnome libs (such as gnome settings) to have full functionality, as their settings are stored in the gnome-settings database.
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• 3232[16:34:09] <somiaj> and xfce uses a good number of gtk apps
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• 3236[16:35:46] <awal1> somiaj, right, that's what I deduced when I used aptitude why for those packages
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• 3240[16:36:47] <bfw> init is now systemd's predecessor, you are now all living in the stone ages, i suggest you update.
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• 3243[16:38:23] <jelly-home> bfw: hi! This is a tech support channel for Debian distro, do you have a question?
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• 3245[16:38:44] <awal1> somiaj, ok, thanks for your attention.
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• 3248[16:39:13] <bfw> do you think you need to update your systems process manager to systemd?
• 3249[16:39:26] <bfw> init.d is obsolete
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• 3252[16:41:30] <bfw> im very sorry i needed techical support for this question for your sakes
• 3253[16:41:32] <jelly-home> bfw: that's not a tech support question. Is there anything we can help you with regarding your Debian installation?
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• 3255[16:42:46] <jelly-home> bfw: which Debian release do you have installed? Read replaced-url
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• 3258[16:44:00] <bfw> ok im pissed bye.
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• 3274[16:50:35] <LrodMC> Hello? I need help with my debian grub. It won't boot
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• 3278[16:53:33] <hiya> replaced-url
• 3279[16:53:44] <hiya> says Does your browser unblock 3rd parties that promise to honor Do Not Track? = No
• 3280[16:53:53] <hiya> even if DND is on in Iceweasel
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• 3284[16:57:29] <awal1> hiya, what is explained about chrome/chromium in the following link (first paragraph) is appliable to iceweasel too replaced-url
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• 3296[16:59:35] <awal1> "When turned on, a request will be sent to a website to not have your browsing data collected or tracked. However, what happens to your data depends on how a website responds to the request."
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• 3299[17:00:38] <hiya> awal1, ok
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• 3314[17:06:24] <awal1> hiya, it's well explained here replaced-url
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• 3316[17:07:00] <mavhq> seems like they want your adblocked to disable itself if DNT is on for the site
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• 3328[17:09:16] <ToHellWithGA> is the an order of precedence for ~/.[profile,bash_profile,bashrc]?
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• 3331[17:09:38] <hiya> awal1, eff test shows us too unique, it is like we are nearly identified why so?
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• 3334[17:10:13] <ToHellWithGA> i need to add a couple aliases and add a folder to my $PATH but i'm unsure in which file i should do that to ensure it's present on all local, ssh, and screen terminals upon startup
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• 3336[17:10:41] <awal1> hiya, if you want a bit more "privacy", "security" and have a control over your browsing stuff, you may want install iceweasel extensions like 'xul-ext-adblock-plus & xul-ext-noscript" and similar addons. "apt-cache/aptitude search xul-ext"
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• 3339[17:11:31] <Brigo> ToHellWithGA, /etc/profile is you are using bash.
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• 3341[17:11:56] <ToHellWithGA> Brigo: what about ~/.profile?
• 3342[17:11:58] <jelly-home> ToHellWithGA: you'll want to read the INVOCATION section of the bash manual if that's your login shell.
• 3343[17:12:07] <hiya> awal1, So you have these? Are you still uniquely identified by their test?
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• 3345[17:12:15] <jelly-home> and then you're probably going to be even more confused
• 3346[17:12:31] <ToHellWithGA> i'd think editing /etc/profile would be a very heavy-handed solution for user-specific aliases
• 3347[17:12:46] <jelly-home> ToHellWithGA: which login shell is your user using?
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• 3349[17:12:56] <Brigo> ToHellWithGA, then ~/.bashrc
• 3350[17:13:07] <ToHellWithGA> jelly-home: if i echo $SHELL it says /bin/bash
• 3351[17:13:32] <ToHellWithGA> should i just source my profile into my bashrc?
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• 3354[17:13:57] <jelly-home> ToHellWithGA: so it's bash. Read that bit in the manual, then be confused and end up putting stuff in ~/.bash_profile because that works
• 3355[17:14:01] <ToHellWithGA> the bashrc is completely full of crap from day one courtesy of debian
• 3356[17:14:27] <ToHellWithGA> oh, profile. not rc
• 3357[17:14:29] <ToHellWithGA> gotcha
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• 3359[17:14:56] <blind> ToHellWithGA: replaced-url
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• 3361[17:15:34] <ToHellWithGA> holy shit he's everywhere
• 3362[17:15:43] <awal1> hiya, I'm not a paranoid user, sorry
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• 3364[17:16:01] <ToHellWithGA> thanks blind and jelly-home and Brigo
• 3365[17:16:16] <Brigo> ToHellWithGA, yw.
• 3366[17:16:18] <hiya> awal1, I am not paranoid, just saying how could it say we are 1 out of a million that visit their site? can you please check it? I need to report their error
• 3367[17:16:39] <teraflops> Afaik the order is /etc/profile, ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, ~/.profile for interactive login shells
• 3368[17:16:46] <awal1> hiya, check what?
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• 3386[17:22:10] <awal1> hiya, if this is what you want to know "Yes! You have strong protection against Web tracking, though your software isn’t checking for Do Not Track policies."...
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• 3392[17:25:21] <awal1> "Is your browser blocking tracking ads? ✓ yes, Is your browser blocking invisible trackers? ✓ yes, Is your browser accepting Do Not Track commitments? ✗ no, Does your browser protect from fingerprinting? ✗ no". hiya, I'm off on this topic. privacy on the web is complex. I dont even know if my Internet provider spy me right now....
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• 3398[17:26:22] <c0fe_machine> does debian have signed UEFI kernel?
• 3399[17:26:37] <c0fe_machine> I have a machine built by Lenovo that won't boot if UEFI is enabled
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• 3401[17:27:33] <towo`> uefi does not need signet kernel
• 3402[17:27:34] <zykotick9> c0fe_machine: note, the Live-Debian images do NOT support UEFI...
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• 3404[17:27:56] <towo`> only secure boot would need a signed bootloader
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• 3411[17:29:22] <c0fe_machine> i am not using live debian just installing it but after install i keep getting bootable device not found error
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• 3417[17:30:24] <awal1> c0fe_machine, I believe that Debian will "never" provid a signed kernel in the suse, redhat, ubuntu... way. disable 'secure boot' feature if your machine allows and you should not have troubles
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• 3425[17:31:17] <awal1> if you are trying to dual boot with windows8+, that's an other story...
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• 3429[17:31:28] <c0fe_machine> no dual boot and already have disabled it
• 3430[17:31:37] <towo`> windows 8+ does not need secure boot to work
• 3431[17:31:55] <towo`> and again, a signed kernel is never needed, only a signed bootloader
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• 3433[17:32:28] <c0fe_machine> odd not sure what could be causing this
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• 3437[17:33:05] <bfw> i dont believe our debian systems are completely reliant on systemd.
• 3438[17:33:17] <bfw> "believe"
• 3439[17:33:19] <awal1> c0fe_machine, not 100% sure, but I think that only standard amd64 and i386 images have support for uefi
• 3440[17:33:33] <awal1> not live ones
• 3441[17:33:44] <awal1> so try amd64/i386 cd images
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• 3445[17:34:11] <c0fe_machine> awal1: that's what i am using
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• 3448[17:34:22] <somiaj> bfw: what do you mean by that? Debian jessie uses sytemed but not all packages have unit files, they use the systemd init.d comadability mode.
• 3449[17:34:52] <bfw> systemd and init.d need to be integrated.
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• 3452[17:35:01] <bfw> converge.
• 3453[17:35:07] <awal1> c0fe_machine, I used amd64 and I had no troubles here
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• 3455[17:35:15] <Brigo> bfw, they are integrated, systemd is init.d compatible.
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• 3461[17:37:08] <teraflops> bfw: you can stop using debian if systemd scares you, I mean no one forces yo to use debian
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• 3463[17:37:17] <bfw> there shouldnt be any compatibility issues with systemd and init.d, init.d must be denounced and systemd the only process/systems manager
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• 3466[17:37:21] <teraflops> you*
• 3467[17:37:26] <awal1> c0fe_machine, I suggest you set your uefi (your bios) to defaults again, reboot it and disable secure boot. then try reinstalling and see
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• 3470[17:38:36] <bfw> they musnt be two of the same any longer.
• 3471[17:38:53] <c0fe_machine> awal1: yeah i will check into that
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• 3473[17:39:01] <awal1> c0fe_machine, some machines needs to "power off" a few seconds after each bios changes
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• 3475[17:39:23] <ToHellWithGA> teraflops: does that mean that if /etc/profile exists the other three files will never be read?
• 3476[17:39:29] <towo`> i don't see the benefit for using uefi, if the machine only runs linux
• 3477[17:39:50] <c0fe_machine> hopefully they will add UEFI support
• 3478[17:39:53] <c0fe_machine> as well as secure boot
• 3479[17:40:07] <towo`> debian has uefi support
• 3480[17:40:08] <bfw> i find init.d and systemd existing on the same system to be extremely baffling.
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• 3483[17:40:48] <bfw> can i have an explanation for this in detail?
• 3484[17:40:59] <awal1> c0fe_machine, since wheezy, amd64 image have full support for uefi machines; since jessie, amd64 and i386
• 3485[17:41:12] <noid-> bfw: this channel is not for debating systemd vs init.d
• 3486[17:41:24] <teraflops> ToHellWithGA: nope that means the precedence, if exists it reads all those files, but in order
• 3487[17:41:51] <bfw> i am not merely debating, i was once told systemd and init.d were the same thing
• 3488[17:41:52] <somiaj> bfw: this channel is for support, check the mailing lists and various other formus. There has been lots of discussion of systemd in debian and its curret state in jessie.
• 3489[17:42:20] <bfw> please support my frustration.
• 3490[17:42:29] <abrotman> dpkg: tell bfw about systemd-shim
• 3491[17:42:33] <somiaj> bfw: well you were told wrong. They provide some of the same functionality in that they are both init systems, but sysvinit, systemd, upstart are all different init methods.
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• 3495[17:44:21] <teraflops> bfw: I cannot support your frustration but i can give you a warm hug :P
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• 3498[17:45:06] <bfw> that is incredibly consoling teraflops, i may have to troll this chat room now
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• 3500[17:45:21] <noid-> you already are trolling it x)
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• 3502[17:45:25] <noid-> so you should troll more I guess?
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• 3504[17:45:55] <somiaj> bfw: replaced-url
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• 3507[17:46:10] <teraflops> heh bfw please be kind, if i offended you I apologize, but stay ontopic please
• 3508[17:46:25] <bfw> i cannot enter a chatroom, hunkle on my keyboard and not be considered a troll
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• 3510[17:46:39] * bfw pretends to hug teraflops
• 3511[17:46:56] <bfw> i thank you for the link
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• 3519[17:48:35] <Sigfrid> Anybody needs free hosting to make a personal site or something similar?
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• 3521[17:49:02] <noid-> Sigfrid: why? are you offering ? :D is it a trap?
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• 3525[17:49:57] <bfw> use an offshore vps, much cheaper
• 3526[17:50:10] <bfw> then host your website.
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• 3529[17:51:13] <somiaj> please stay on topic.
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• 3531[17:51:40] <bfw> is it on topic if the vps runs off debian?
• 3532[17:51:57] <noid-> only if you have issues with it =)
• 3533[17:52:03] <noid-> no?
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• 3537[17:52:52] <Pseudo> hi there
• 3538[17:53:48] <Pseudo> how do i set dpkg –add-architecture to 64 back when i had earlier to search package of running a command dpkg –add-architecture i386
• 3539[17:54:05] <markybob> Pseudo: you still have it. it didn't go away
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• 3543[17:54:57] <Pseudo> its return a package for i386 not found when looking for a amd64 package from he cdrom 64 version
• 3544[17:55:03] <somiaj> Pseudo: man dpkg, you can list, add and remove architectures. But you really only need to do this once, and this only adds additional arches.
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• 3546[17:55:14] <Pseudo> as i execute aptitude update
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• 3548[17:55:48] <markybob> Pseudo: if you really want you can dpkg --remove-architecture i386 but it's silly
• 3549[17:55:50] <Pseudo> but i can execute update to look a pacakage from the cdrom its says amd64 not found
• 3550[17:55:52] <somiaj> Pseudo: your cd may not have i386 sources. Any reason you are not just using the itnernet soruces.
• 3551[17:55:59] <Pseudo> *i cant
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• 3553[17:56:17] <markybob> Pseudo: oh. i see. did you apt-get update after adding it?
• 3554[17:56:30] <Sigfrid> noid-, no, is not a trap... I have a great reseller plan and a lot of free resources... just that.
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• 3556[17:56:49] <markybob> Sigfrid: stop it. this isn't a channel for advertising
• 3557[17:56:55] <noid-> Sigfrid: I see. but this not the channel for advertising
• 3558[17:56:59] <Pseudo> ic somiaj but earlier am using to cdrom to get a package but after i add to execute dpkg –add-architecture i386 i can get a pacakage from cdrom
• 3559[17:57:00] <noid-> :(
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• 3561[17:57:23] <Pseudo> markybob: yup i finally found it after aptitude update
• 3562[17:57:23] <Sigfrid> markybob, this is not an advertising...
• 3563[17:57:44] <Pseudo> when i change the sourcelist to add some package via cdrom
• 3564[17:57:45] <markybob> Sigfrid: you're off topic. stop.
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• 3566[17:58:00] <somiaj> Pseudo: correct, the cdrom will not have i386 packages. YOu will have to modify your sources.list
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• 3568[17:58:40] <Pseudo> i know i can still get those package online but issit that i am unable to get the package from offline sources example the cdrom back
• 3569[17:58:45] <Sigfrid> okay. sorry.
• 3570[17:59:09] <somiaj> Pseudo: personally I would remove the cdrom sources. But if you really want them you can use an put an [arch=amd64] on your cdrom sources so it won't look for i386 packages from those sources.
• 3571[17:59:17] <Pseudo> as earlier am using a cdrom offline method to add package
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• 3573[17:59:30] <Pseudo> ok thank somiaj
• 3574[17:59:35] <somiaj> Pseudo: you just have to tell your sources.list to only look for amd64 packages form that source (since default is to look for all arches)
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• 3576[18:00:10] <somiaj> Pseudo: though I'm unsure of anythign special to do with cdrom sources, I don't use them so unsure how they update.
• 3577[18:00:20] <Pseudo> i think am earlier use the same sourcelists before and after to execute dpkg –add-architecture i386
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• 3581[18:01:15] <Pseudo> i mean i only add one line as deb file:///media/repo_1/ jessie main contrib
• 3582[18:01:43] <Pseudo> to get a package from offline i add those line in the sourcelist
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• 3584[18:01:55] <Pseudo> and i uncomment the rest
• 3585[18:02:09] <Pseudo> after that i execute aptitude update
• 3586[18:02:43] <Pseudo> *and i comment the rest sourcelist
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• 3588[18:03:14] <Pseudo> ok thanks somiaj maybe i need to put [arch=amd64] on sourcelist
• 3589[18:03:16] <Pseudo> thank
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• 3593[18:06:01] <ToHellWithGA> teraflops: how would screen factor into that arrangement? when i ssh my ~/.profile is evaulated, but when i start a new screen it is not
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• 3596[18:07:05] <ToHellWithGA> just in case it matters, i added aliases and additions to $PATH in my ~/.profile after first starting screen
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• 3601[18:07:58] <ToHellWithGA> screen is pretty much where the magic happens for me on this headless machine, so having the aliases and $PATH additions working in each screen is pretty important to me.
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• 3606[18:09:20] <teraflops> ToHellWithGA: you mean screen never sources ~/.profile?
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• 3609[18:10:49] <teraflops> source it in screenrc or use ~/.bash_{rc,profile}
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• 3620[18:14:21] <Teddy-B> Good Day, I have a fresh install of Debian 8.3.0, I am trying to set up a 3 Monitor display, the system auto-installed the generic ATI Drivers, two of the 3 monitors come up in clone mode, though LXDE only sees the 1 under monitors, the 3rd monitor doesn't come up at all. I know the hardware supports 3 simultaneous monitors as Knoppix is able to run all 3 screens the way I want this system to. arander only shows the 1 monitor as well.
• 3621[18:14:21] <Teddy-B> xrander -q shows 1 monitor and gives the "Failed to get size of gamma for output default" I have been fighting this issue previous to this OS Reload. so I figured I would come in and ask about this issue before trying to "fix" it
• 3622[18:14:35] <ToHellWithGA> teraflops: i found the following .screenrc gem to make it work without manually sourcing [various profiles]: shell -$SHELL
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• 3625[18:15:42] <teraflops> ah, I just use tmux this days
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• 3636[18:18:10] <julius> hi
• 3637[18:18:57] <julius> i would like to experiment with ISDN, my cards driver is of course not supported any longer. what problems can i expect installing a 6.0.3 debian just for ISDN?
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• 3642[18:19:24] <julius> leaving the ISDN part out, will a 6.0.3 install work at all?
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• 3648[18:21:47] <karlpinc> julius: You can probably expect to get cracked, since there's no security support. (Why would the isdn driver no longer be supported in debian?)
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• 3651[18:21:56] <Teddy-B> my lspci outputs: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cape Verde PRO [Radeon HD 7750 / R7 250E] [1002:683f]
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• 3654[18:22:34] <karlpinc> , pciid 1002:683f
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• 3656[18:22:35] <judd> [1002:683f] is 'Cape Verde PRO [Radeon HD 7750/8740 / R7 250E]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in jessie. See also replaced-url
• 3657[18:22:58] <julius> karlpinc, product is old, driver was supported by the company
• 3658[18:23:19] <karlpinc> julius: Is there no foss driver?
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• 3660[18:23:29] <ToHellWithGA> egads. i think i just realized that screen is by an emacs guy.
• 3661[18:23:30] <julius> karlpinc, let me check again
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• 3663[18:23:33] <karlpinc> julius: (Could be one by now, possibly)
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• 3665[18:23:50] <markybob> i didn't know phone companies still offered isdn. that's amazing.
• 3666[18:23:55] <ToHellWithGA> the C-x C-x C-x commands feel like emacs
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• 3668[18:24:36] <julius> markybob, yeah it is
• 3669[18:24:41] <karlpinc> ToHellWithGA: I'd say not. It's hard to use emacs with screen. You need to reassign the "screen character" to ctrl-^.
• 3670[18:25:21] <ToHellWithGA> karlpinc: so it's by an anti-emacs guy, just using similar keystrokes?
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• 3673[18:25:34] <Teddy-B> Taking a look at that link Judd, thank you
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• 3676[18:25:54] <karlpinc> Teddy-B: judd is a bot.
• 3677[18:26:14] <karlpinc> !tell Teddy-B about judd
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• 3680[18:26:52] <Teddy-B> Thanks Karl, I haven't been around for a bit
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• 3683[18:27:17] <karlpinc> Teddy-B: Probably the thing to look at is the radeon module. It'd be in some package with 'radeon' in the name, most likely.
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• 3690[18:29:05] <julius> no, no open source driver
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• 3692[18:29:45] <julius> just realized that debian 6.0.3 does not know the onboard network card. i can install another one, but what about 6.0.3 and a i3? will that work at all?
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• 3696[18:30:29] <Langley> Hi, it seems like Debian 8 can't figure out my dual monitor setup, it only lists "Unknown display" and are cloning the output. Running Gnome with AMD card. What can I do?
• 3697[18:30:30] <finetundra2234> why would I sometimes loose ability to connect to ssh from an external connection?
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• 3702[18:31:12] <Teddy-B> hehe Langley, welcome to my world. troubleshooting a similar issue at the moment
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• 3708[18:32:57] <Langley> Seems like xrandr can't even see the different outputs
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• 3710[18:33:14] <Langley> "Failed to get size of gamma for output default"
• 3711[18:33:16] <julius> finetundra2234, is one end dialup?
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• 3713[18:33:53] <Bushman> ave
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• 3716[18:34:00] <julius> finetundra2234, could be a zillion of reasons to be honest, dns resolving problems and so on. note some information about your setup down in a pastebin and give us a link
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• 3718[18:34:57] <Teddy-B> What is your graphics card Langley? $ lspci -nn | grep VGA
• 3719[18:35:06] <finetundra2234> julius: I use an IP when connecting so DNS ought to be out of the picture
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• 3721[18:35:14] <rory> What is this weird character at the end of the lines? replaced-url
• 3722[18:35:14] <finetundra2234> julius: and no part is dialup
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• 3731[18:38:04] <Bushman> i'm curently using jessie but i need a package(s) in version that is not currently available for stable... What are my options before/instead upgrading to testing?
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• 3734[18:38:35] <julius> finetundra2234, good
• 3735[18:38:48] <finetundra2234> julius: what other information do you need?
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• 3738[18:38:55] <julius> still there might be pcs/switches/routers in between
• 3739[18:39:22] <julius> draw a simple picture how your network is build, like: mypc -> router -> internet -> other router -> lan
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• 3741[18:39:57] <Langley> Teddy-B, AMD 7770
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• 3743[18:40:43] <karlpinc> finetundra2234: DNS might still be in the picture. Something, I think it's at the server end, can be configured to check reverse dns. Once this was the default. Upstream ssh has changed this default, sometime in the last couple of years....
• 3744[18:41:13] <finetundra2234> karlpinc: so I need to check?
• 3745[18:41:13] <karlpinc> finetundra2234: You need to look at the server logs. and/or use "ssh -vvv" (Or just -vv).
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• 3749[18:41:39] <finetundra2234> julius: from the client to the host or host to client?
• 3750[18:41:39] <Langley> Oops, disconnected
• 3751[18:41:42] <karlpinc> finetundra2234: Also, are you sure it's not a network issue? What does ping and traceroute say when you're having trouble?
• 3752[18:41:59] <karlpinc> Langley: We need the pciid
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• 3754[18:42:04] <finetundra2234> karlpinc: I'm positive it's not. I can connect over RDP just fine
• 3755[18:42:24] <karlpinc> Bushman: replaced-url
• 3756[18:42:52] <karlpinc> Bushman: There is also the <ssb> and <checkinstall> and <stow> factoids.
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• 3758[18:43:17] <Langley> karlpinc, Which would that be?
• 3759[18:43:33] <Langley> 1002:683d ?
• 3760[18:43:37] <karlpinc> finetundra2234: What do the server logs say? Do they see your connection attempts?
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• 3762[18:43:48] <karlpinc> , pciid 1002:683d
• 3763[18:43:50] <judd> [1002:683d] is 'Cape Verde XT [Radeon HD 7770/8760 / R7 250X]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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• 3765[18:44:06] <Bushman> karlpinc: not sure what you mean by ssb/checkinstall/stow
• 3766[18:44:13] <finetundra2234> karlpinc: where would I find the logs for SSH?
• 3767[18:44:17] <karlpinc> !tell Bushman about ssb
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• 3769[18:44:25] <karlpinc> !tell Bushman about msg the bot
• 3770[18:44:59] <karlpinc> finetundra2234: Which end is debian, the client or the server?
• 3771[18:45:08] <finetundra2234> karlpinc: the server
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• 3774[18:45:54] <Bushman> karlpinc: ok, thanks for now. i'll read up and see what will i come up with
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• 3776[18:46:03] <karlpinc> finetundra2234: /var/log/syslog has _everything_. You probably want /var/log/secure, or maybe /var/log/daemon. grep is your friend.
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• 3780[18:46:35] <karlpinc> finetundra2234: (Well /var/log/syslog does not have sensitive stuff....)
• 3781[18:46:58] <karlpinc> finetundra2234: "tail -f /var/log/...." can also be helpful.
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• 3786[18:47:32] <Teddy-B> Langly, I'm working on a Radeon HD 7750 At the Moment, I'll let you know if I sort it out. gonna test reboot the system in a few
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• 3788[18:47:52] <Langley> Okay... I have no idea what is wrong
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• 3791[18:48:08] <karlpinc> Langley: Is xserver-xorg-video-radeon installed?
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• 3794[18:48:43] <Langley> Yes
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• 3797[18:49:10] <karlpinc> Langley: (But I don't really know anything about video, especially multi-head stuff. I fake it with xdmx and a xserver.)
• 3798[18:49:23] <Teddy-B> I'm guessing the issue for both of us is the firmware-linux-nonfree package. I'll report back in a few if that helped
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• 3805[18:53:00] <julius> finetundra2234, ah RDP works. than forget my request
• 3806[18:53:30] <finetundra2234> karlpinc: the only thing I can gather is that the system is really upset about the current state of the RAID
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• 3810[18:55:24] <Teddy-B> okay Langly, this appears to have worked...
• 3811[18:55:24] <Teddy-B> I installed the linux-headers linux-source (you will have to get each of these for the kernel you have installed) build-essential and firmware-linux-nonfree
• 3812[18:55:24] <Teddy-B> The first 3 may not be neccissary, but I find sytems tend to want them to be present...
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• 3814[18:55:37] <Teddy-B> but the firmware-linux-nonfree should be the package you are missing
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• 3816[18:55:45] <finetundra2234> I'll have to come back to this later. julius, karlpinc thanks for your help
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• 3820[18:57:56] <julius> thats two boxes of beer for you
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• 3830[18:59:09] <Langley> Why is it so complicated to install that firmware-linux-nonfree ...
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• 3837[19:02:47] <Langley> Can someone give me a guide for dummies. I tried adding non-free to source.list but it still can't find that package
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• 3840[19:03:23] <nkuttler> Langley: forgot to apt-get update?
• 3841[19:03:30] <Langley> No
• 3842[19:03:37] <nkuttler> ,v firmware-linux-nonfree
• 3843[19:03:38] <judd> Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20160110-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1
• 3844[19:03:50] <nkuttler> Langley: paste.debian.net your sources.list
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• 3846[19:04:03] <Teddy-B> what does your sources.list say langly
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• 3848[19:05:25] <Langley> I finally got it, by using Synaptic
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• 3851[19:05:48] <noid-> hmm... doesn't synaptic run apt-get update when opening ? :P
• 3852[19:06:01] <babilen> Using synaptic should never be necessary
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• 3854[19:07:09] <Langley> Everything seems better now. So is every other distro including a non-free driver for Radeon, or something?
• 3855[19:07:28] <markybob> Langley: most of them
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• 3857[19:08:00] <Bushman> karlpinc: it seems that there is no backport for python-pyqt5 and it's dependencies. What are my other options before atempting to upgrade to testing?
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• 3860[19:08:11] <level7> hi all
• 3861[19:08:27] <blind> dpkg: tell Bushman about ssb
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• 3864[19:08:37] <level7> I am taking a look to desktops.. hum... gnome is not for me, mate looks more "usable"
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• 3866[19:08:48] <Langley> I think there should be more info about it, or something... very confusing. Anyways, thanks
• 3867[19:08:50] <level7> so I was wondering what you are using
• 3868[19:09:06] <markybob> ssb won't work for python-pyqt5
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• 3870[19:09:39] <ToHellWithGA> level7: gnome-flashback isn't bad if you're used to old gnome
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• 3872[19:09:58] <ToHellWithGA> it's a session option you can choose at login
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• 3876[19:11:26] <level7> right now I am on mate
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• 3881[19:12:34] <ToHellWithGA> give her my regards
• 3882[19:13:01] <ToHellWithGA> the flashback option is a non-fork way to get gnome2 behavior on gnome3
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• 3887[19:16:21] <Langley> Why can't I find the steam package now... even though I have non-free
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• 3891[19:17:10] <markybob> ,v steam
• 3892[19:17:11] <judd> No package named 'steam' was found in amd64.
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• 3895[19:17:36] <noid-> i belieave steam
• 3896[19:17:38] <greycat> ,v steam i386
• 3897[19:17:39] <judd> Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.51-1; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.51-1
• 3898[19:17:39] <noid-> is a 386 app
• 3899[19:17:39] <towo`> steam:i386
• 3900[19:17:41] <Langley> I wonder if I manually installed it, on this laptop...
• 3901[19:17:49] <noid-> replaced-url
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• 3904[19:18:23] <Langley> Shouldn't it still find it?
• 3905[19:18:37] <markybob> Langley: if you have multiarch
• 3906[19:18:48] <greycat> You have to add the i386 arch (multiarch support) and then install the package steam:i386
• 3907[19:18:54] <markybob> Langley: replaced-url
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• 3909[19:19:02] <noid-> only if you add i386 sources
• 3910[19:19:14] <greycat> You do not have to add an "i386 source" as such.
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• 3912[19:19:28] <noid-> well no
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• 3914[19:19:33] <noid-> but you haev to tell dpkg to add i386
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• 3927[19:25:21] <_jamesl> how to gain root without /bin or /etc? I still have sudo but it can't work without /etc/passwd and I cannot log in again as /bin/login is gone. /sbin is all there still, as is /usr.
• 3928[19:25:29] <_jamesl> Debian Jessie.
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• 3931[19:25:56] <greycat> If you deleted /bin and /etc just reinstall the whole OS already.
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• 3933[19:26:09] <noid-> _jamesl: you should reinstall.
• 3934[19:26:10] <Toba> yeah you fucked up very hard. new system install time
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• 3938[19:27:22] <_jamesl> I have backups but I'm just wondering if it's possible. Someone did it once but they had a root terminal open when it happened (this was in UNIX before sudo, so he had to have one open to delete /.)
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• 3941[19:27:57] <Toba> that's a very different situation
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• 3945[19:28:22] <noid-> why would you delete /* ?
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• 3949[19:28:28] <_jamesl> Toba: are you saying it's impossible to get root without /bin or /etc
• 3950[19:28:33] <greycat> Commercial Unix probably had a shell in /sbin and so on that he was able to use. Debian doesn't.
• 3951[19:28:50] <greycat> You can't get a root shell if you've deleted every shell.
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• 3955[19:29:17] <sewer> _jamesl: there is a big differece between research unix and linux
• 3956[19:29:24] <_jamesl> ah, okay.
• 3957[19:29:25] <sewer> hell not even different linux distros work the same
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• 3966[19:31:10] <macboy_> hi, howto use chroot ? all documentation is wrong !!! chroot /tmp/newroot .... fucki,,,, can?t find fuck.... bash !!! grrr, cp bash to another dir and failed, etc etc etc etc
• 3967[19:31:16] <macboy_> please help
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• 3969[19:31:24] <macboy_> 3hs only for this stupid stupid think..
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• 3971[19:31:34] <greycat> You have to have a full basic OS installation in the chroot target directory.
• 3972[19:31:55] <greycat> Usually you'd use something like debootstrap to create your OS-in-a-chroot.
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• 3975[19:31:59] <macboy_> yes, cp -a / /tmp/newroot
• 3976[19:32:43] <greycat> I doubt cp -a is clever enough to update the ld.so caches and so on. Just use debootstrap.
• 3977[19:33:26] <macboy_> greycat, debootstrap ? howto ?
• 3978[19:33:34] <greycat> !debootstrap
• 3979[19:33:34] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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• 3981[19:34:50] <macboy_> greycat, i need change to /tmp/newroot, please please, show me howto use chroot to change this.
• 3982[19:34:53] <macboy_> and sorry for my english
• 3983[19:35:15] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 3985[19:35:22] <finetundra2234> karlpinc: so what do I need to be looking for in the log?
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• 3993[19:37:53] <macboy_> greycat, ok ok, and if not network ???
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• 3995[19:38:09] <macboy_> howto use chroot if not network have ??
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• 3999[19:39:28] <greycat> I ... guess you would use your installation CD/DVD as the package source for debootstrap. I have no idea how you would do that. Or WHY.
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• 4001[19:39:41] <greycat> This sounds completely insane.
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• 4006[19:40:11] <towo`> the whole 'problem' sounds totaly insane
• 4007[19:40:23] <greycat> Yes, I didn't mean to limit the scope.
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• 4011[19:40:51] <macboy_> ok you say, all people for use stupid chroot NEED DVD OR INTERNET ? and all chroot documentacion is wrong no ?
• 4012[19:40:52] <macboy_> grr
• 4013[19:41:26] <towo`> if you use chrot for what is expected, it works
• 4014[19:41:29] <macboy_> Some time ago I used chroot unused deboostrap
• 4015[19:41:34] <towo`> and even the documentation is right
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• 4017[19:41:57] <macboy_> towo`, man chroot nerver say "only if you use deboostrap"
• 4018[19:41:59] <macboy_> in never line
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• 4020[19:42:07] <towo`> and i don't get, what you want to do
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• 4022[19:42:27] <towo`> no one has syed, chroot needs debootstrap
• 4023[19:42:28] <macboy_> the problem is lib ?
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• 4025[19:42:41] <towo`> chroot needs a mountet linux-os
• 4026[19:43:09] <macboy_> chroot don't work with out deboostrap ? ok man, merge this stupid command!!!! chroot-all for example i don?t now
• 4027[19:43:19] <macboy_> thanks anyway
• 4028[19:43:23] <towo`> or a full os installation in a given directory
• 4029[19:43:23] <karlpinc> finetundra2234: Start by looking to see if you're talking to the server when you think you're talking to the server. After that, there should be some indication as to why the connection was refused. Or use ssh -vvv on the client side to see what's happening from the other side.
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• 4034[19:43:44] <macboy_> towo`, i use cp -a / /tmp/newroot
• 4035[19:43:55] <macboy_> towo`, i have a full / in destinity
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• 4039[19:44:11] <towo`> macboy_, but with wrong permisions
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• 4046[19:45:02] <towo`> and since /tmp residens in / you would get a copy loop
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• 4050[19:46:21] <karlpinc> towo`: cp will deal with that by just not copying a directory into itself. On the other hand, trying to copy all of, say, /dev/zero, is, er, not useful.
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• 4054[19:46:55] <towo`> karlpinc, the whole doing of macboy_ is not usefull
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• 4059[19:48:28] <greycat> deboostrap is simply the EASIEST way to create a usable OS installation in a subdir. I never said it was the only way.
• 4060[19:48:34] <julius> how do you tell dkms to bake a module for a specific kernel? dkms install -k 4.4.0-1-amd64 -m fcpci -v 4.4.0 this did not work, in the logfile i can see that it still wants to buy for the host system (3.16.x) and not for the chroot?
• 4061[19:48:38] <greycat> You want to use the easy way. So stop making it hard.
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• 4063[19:49:25] <iio7> I am trying to play a MKV file using mplayer2, but I am getting no sound (TrueHD format): replaced-url
• 4064[19:49:32] <finetundra2234> karlpinc: I need to go again back later
• 4065[19:49:48] <iio7> I have also tried the version from debian multimedia, but it's the same problem. What am I missing?
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• 4072[19:52:03] <julius> iio7, its not mplayer...your sound system is the problem
• 4073[19:52:12] <julius> iio7, somehow mplayer cant access it
• 4074[19:52:25] <julius> but ive got no clue how to fix that
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• 4077[19:53:00] <julius> iio7, mplayer -v file.mkv will tell you if it got problems opening devices in /dev
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• 4079[19:54:39] <iio7> The sound system is fine, the mkv has several sound tracks in different languages, if I choose another it works fine. It's only the TrueHD part, I believe a codec is missing.
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• 4083[19:55:35] <glassresistor> im upgrading with aptitude and its removing some packages im not familiar with replaced-url
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• 4086[19:56:37] <Bushman> blind: i'm not sure what does it mean in <ssb> topic to "2) enable debian backports". Do i need to do something extra on top of adding a repo?
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• 4097[20:00:03] <macboy_> towo`, the real problem is hard disk have a "/boot" crash... in this case, i think , chroot anda install (apt) all boot files...
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• 4104[20:02:06] <towo`> macboy_, use a live linux
• 4105[20:02:34] <towo`> i ask myself how you have startet that linux, if /boot is crashed
• 4106[20:02:51] <macboy_> towo`, yes, i use systemrescuecd
• 4107[20:03:09] <towo`> and what's the problem then?
• 4108[20:03:12] <macboy_> towo`, and , i try use chroot to after chroot install kernel package
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• 4112[20:03:24] <towo`> mount your system, chroot in it and do, whatever you want
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• 4114[20:03:41] <greycat> Why is he trying to create a SECOND system...?
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• 4116[20:03:51] <noid-> I have no clue
• 4117[20:03:51] <towo`> no one knows
• 4118[20:04:03] <towo`> seems like clueless
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• 4120[20:04:46] <markybob> Bushman: i told you ssb wouldn't work for what you want
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• 4125[20:05:44] <Lokie> hello what should I do when I try to use reportbug to report a bug with libc6
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• 4127[20:05:54] <Lokie> and reportbug crashes? :P
• 4128[20:06:14] <greycat> Lokie: replaced-url
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• 4135[20:08:01] <Bushman> markybob: sorry, i must have missed it...
• 4136[20:08:08] <Bushman> when did you told me that?
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• 4140[20:09:13] <markybob> 12:08 < markybob> ssb won't work for python-pyqt5
• 4141[20:09:28] <markybob> so an hour ago
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• 4153[20:13:38] <Bushman> markybob: i see... missed it cause no highlight. sorry.
• 4154[20:14:35] <Bushman> markybob: so what are my options to get newer version of python-pyqt5 on my jessie?
• 4155[20:14:50] <markybob> Bushman: you have none on jessie
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• 4157[20:15:44] <Bushman> what is the barier here? there already is pyqt5 for jessie... just not up to date enough.
• 4158[20:15:48] <greycat> "build upstream tarball" is always an option
• 4159[20:16:01] <markybob> greycat: the deps won't fit
• 4160[20:16:12] <greycat> I didn't say "into a .deb"
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• 4162[20:16:34] <greycat> When Debian's dependencies get in your WAY instead of helping you, just treat it like a commercial Unix box and compile things directly.
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• 4173[20:20:32] <markybob> greycat: i just checked. the build deps from source won't work on jessie
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• 4176[20:20:52] <Bushman> :(
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• 4178[20:21:09] <sorta> where do python3-pip and python3-virtualenv install executables to?
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• 4181[20:21:16] <Bushman> so my only option is to upgrade to testing then?
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• 4184[20:21:52] <markybob> Bushman: if you *really* need it on debian...yes. but it's not supported here per /topic. you'll need to go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 4187[20:22:24] <Huck777> hi, I need help please with my monit script. I want to monit rtorrent and if it crashes (which it does a few times a week) to restart. According to the monit webinterface it can't connect on the port of rtorrent (5001) but I know it's running because I can use rutorrent (the webinterface which connects on this port). This is the monit script replaced-url
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• 4189[20:23:04] <markybob> Huck777: hrm :P /displeased
• 4190[20:23:13] <greycat> Huck777: why are you using this complex thing? Just write a shell loop. while true; do rtorrent; done
• 4191[20:23:21] <greycat> Run that in screen or tmux, and voila. Done.
• 4192[20:23:42] <PacoSmithereens> So, just returned to Debian after about 6 years of running Windows. Really pleasantly surprised at how everything just worked. I have one very minor issue. In KDE, at least, the Iceweasel app icon is completely hosed: replaced-url
• 4193[20:23:43] <Huck777> greycat: rtorrent is running in a screen with pid
• 4194[20:24:00] <greycat> Huck777: have screen invoke that shell loop instead of simply invoking rtorrent
• 4195[20:25:03] <greycat> You may also need to rm -rf the rtorrent lock file in between.
• 4196[20:25:09] <greycat> err, not -r. just -f.
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• 4199[20:26:32] <PacoSmithereens> Scratch that; found an already-reported bug.
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• 4226[20:36:20] <donald> hello
• 4227[20:36:25] <Guest76516> I'm trying to track down the severity / fix to this report back from fdisk. Never seen it before. Any assistance appreciated..replaced-url
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• 4229[20:37:22] <donald> I abandoned to install all the missing firmwars because it was too hard and now read that: su
• 4230[20:37:22] <donald> bash: su : commande introuvable
• 4231[20:37:23] <DelphiWorld> hello
• 4232[20:37:32] <DelphiWorld> how do i verify my ssh key fingerprint?
• 4233[20:37:37] <donald> how to list all the missings firmwares?
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• 4235[20:38:06] <greycat> firmware problems should not break simple shell commands like su
• 4236[20:38:22] <donald> so what?
• 4237[20:38:29] <greycat> So, you've done something else to break su.
• 4238[20:38:34] <markybob> donald: so we want to see your sources.list
• 4239[20:38:39] <donald> no
• 4240[20:38:42] <donald> it is mine
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• 4242[20:38:52] <markybob> donald: then we can't help you
• 4243[20:39:18] <DelphiWorld> nothing should be secret in sources.list
• 4244[20:39:23] <greycat> If he managed to break simple shell commands, he probably can't be helped anyway, due to libc6 being completely fucked, or who knows what.
• 4245[20:39:28] <donald> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
• 4246[20:39:28] <donald> bash: cat : commande introuvable
• 4247[20:39:42] <markybob> donald: then you're fucked
• 4248[20:40:00] <DelphiWorld> donald: essaye sh
• 4249[20:40:03] <markybob> donald: reinstall
• 4250[20:40:04] <donald> qu'estce- que c'dest (xhat is it)?
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• 4253[20:40:10] <DelphiWorld> essaye SH.
• 4254[20:40:18] <markybob> is this french?
• 4255[20:40:24] <abrotman> english here
• 4256[20:40:25] <markybob> !fe
• 4257[20:40:26] <dpkg> Fe is Ferrum, or Iron, atomic number 26, 55.847amu. FE is dondelelcaro-speak for For Example, ie 'eg.'. FE can also mean Functional Entity or possibly Form End. front-end
• 4258[20:40:29] <abrotman> !fr
• 4259[20:40:29] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
• 4260[20:40:30] <greycat> hahaha
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• 4262[20:40:32] <donald> sh
• 4263[20:40:32] <donald> bash: sh : commande introuvable
• 4264[20:40:34] <DelphiWorld> yes its fr
• 4265[20:40:45] <markybob> heh
• 4266[20:40:45] <abrotman> go to #debian-fr if you want to speak french
• 4267[20:40:45] <donald> no importance.
• 4268[20:40:49] <donald> I reinstall.
• 4269[20:40:57] <abrotman> that seems extreme
• 4270[20:41:00] <markybob> donald: it's a big importance. you're making no sense
• 4271[20:41:09] <DelphiWorld> so guys
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• 4273[20:41:18] <DelphiWorld> my ssh client is losing ssh key in cache
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• 4276[20:41:27] <DelphiWorld> i want to verify the integrity
• 4277[20:42:00] <DelphiWorld> rsa2 fingerprint
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• 4285[20:43:38] <donald> nice
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• 4289[20:44:22] <donald> how to save some softwares in a hard disk before reinstall my system?
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• 4293[20:44:55] <greycat> With a system that can't even run "sh"? Probably by booting a rescue CD.
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• 4298[20:45:06] <markybob> i wouldn't try
• 4299[20:45:07] <donald> yes true!
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• 4302[20:45:18] <markybob> it's fucked. you can't trust it
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• 4304[20:45:35] <donald> I have stopped a system update of a bootable medium
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• 4313[20:47:14] <donald> how to save some softwares in a hard disk before reinstall my system?
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• 4321[20:48:51] <frikinz> softwares? in which form?
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• 4325[20:49:44] <frikinz> or software *list* ?
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• 4327[20:50:15] <teraflops> donald: you *usually* save the configs.
• 4328[20:50:56] <donald> how to save the list AND the config?
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• 4338[20:52:19] <frikinz> dpkg --get-selections for the list
• 4339[20:52:19] * dpkg selects frikinz's ultra-s3kr3t collection
• 4340[20:52:30] <frikinz> dpkg --get-selections for the list
• 4341[20:52:30] * dpkg selects frikinz's pr0n collection
• 4342[20:52:38] <greycat> I doubt he can run any commands in the broken system.
• 4343[20:53:58] <greycat> Just make copies of /etc and /home on some backup medium (disk, USB key) and DO NOT blindly overwrite the new post-reinstall /etc. Just use the old /etc as a REFERENCE to hand modify things if needed.
• 4344[20:54:23] * abrotman guesses this will be lost in translation ...
• 4345[20:55:05] <frikinz> also debsums -ce
• 4346[20:55:16] <frikinz> abrotman: indeed :)
• 4347[20:55:32] <abrotman> or save off /var/lib/dpkg/status and use it to figure out what you had installed
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• 4349[20:56:30] <greycat> Sure, copying that won't hurt, but I wouldn't use it to figure out what's missing. I'd just use the new system naturally, and when I *try* to do something and find that it's missing, then install it.
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• 4352[20:57:29] <LordShadowWing> What's a Good utility to Convert a Large amount of media from Non-free Formats to Free Formats?
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• 4354[20:57:35] <jmd> After upgrading to Jessie my NAT no longer works. Is there something different about how it should be configured?
• 4355[20:57:41] <frikinz> there still not a script to parse status file? I did this like 10y ago: replaced-url
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• 4357[20:58:21] <greycat> It's a human-readable file. Not like it needs much parsing.
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• 4359[20:58:50] <greycat> My 'ds' perl script that reads dpkg status still works.
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• 4362[20:59:48] <frikinz> perl <3 where is that script?
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• 4364[21:00:15] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 4384[21:08:29] <julius> how do you tell dkms to bake a module for a specific kernel? dkms install -k 4.4.0-1-amd64 -m fcpci -v 4.4.0 this did not work, in the logfile i can see that it still wants to buy for the host system (3.16.x) and not for the chroot?
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• 4387[21:09:54] <SirCmpwn> I'm running a debian container inside of systemd-nspawn
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• 4389[21:10:19] <towo`> julius, i don't get it, what has dkms to do with chroot?
• 4390[21:10:19] <SirCmpwn> I started it with `systemd-nspawn -nbD debian/` and enabled/started systemd-networkd within the container to configure the host0 interface
• 4391[21:10:43] <SirCmpwn> I added a rule to /etc/systemd/network/ to give it a static IP, but it's still using DHCP
• 4392[21:10:46] <SirCmpwn> help?
• 4393[21:11:05] <SirCmpwn> replaced-url
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• 4403[21:14:57] <markybob> julius: i told you before. not supported here
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• 4408[21:17:23] <Walakea> is there a way i can have stable Debian with Testing Gnome DE?
• 4409[21:17:42] <Walakea> wont the dependencies turn my whole system into testing?
• 4410[21:17:49] <julius> markybob, is dkms not for debian?
• 4411[21:17:54] <markybob> Walakea: no
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• 4413[21:18:01] <markybob> Walakea: that's not a debian kernel
• 4414[21:18:02] <towo`> julius, sure it is
• 4415[21:18:04] <Walakea> which no?
• 4416[21:18:06] <julius> towo`, dkms guesses the kernel version from the running one
• 4417[21:18:10] <markybob> julius: that's not a debian kernel
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• 4419[21:18:12] <towo`> julius, but there is no fcpci in debian
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• 4424[21:18:35] <julius> markybob, its not a kernel at all at the moment
• 4425[21:18:39] <markybob> Walakea: to the testing gnome DE in stable
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• 4427[21:19:00] <julius> towo`, true, its pretty old. but i would like to add it to a "default" kernel
• 4428[21:19:01] <towo`> julius, and again, where is the relation in dkms and chroot?
• 4429[21:19:09] <julius> towo`, dkms guesses the kernel version from the running one
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• 4432[21:19:24] <towo`> dkms is using, what you give to dkms
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• 4434[21:19:57] <Walakea> next time i can have gnome stable and newer version is only when Debian releases new stable version?
• 4435[21:20:02] <julius> towo`, in my case it guesses wrong. i already tried -k like this: dkms install -k 4.4.0-1-amd64 -m fcpci -v 4.4.0 but in the make.log you can see how dkms searches for 3.16 - the running kernel version
• 4436[21:20:04] <towo`> julius, and i do not see a fcpci-dkms in version 4.4.0
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• 4438[21:20:21] <julius> towo`, replaced-url
• 4439[21:20:24] <mtn> Walakea: correct
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• 4443[21:20:57] <markybob> Walakea: right
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• 4445[21:21:16] <julius> towo`, i was just wondering why dkms wont accept the other kernel version
• 4446[21:21:18] <markybob> julius: are you using ubuntu?
• 4447[21:21:21] <julius> no
• 4448[21:21:22] <julius> jessie
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• 4450[21:21:29] <markybob> with 4.4? okay
• 4451[21:21:35] <towo`> julius, it accept other kernel versions
• 4452[21:21:39] <julius> markybob, you really have to read the questions
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• 4455[21:22:09] <julius> im running 3.16 - the 4.4 is for ONE experimental system
• 4456[21:22:10] <greycat> The questions often lie, so it's understandable that he is asking for confirmation of an EXTREME non-default kernel version.
• 4457[21:22:24] <julius> i see
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• 4464[21:23:42] <julius> if i understand the process of compiling for the 4.4 i might also go back to more stabler versions, but i already got a sid in a chroot so why not
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• 4469[21:25:43] <markybob> julius: sid isn't supported here per /topic
• 4470[21:25:46] <Roland-> hi, does anyone know the difference between broadcom 57710 and 57711 ?
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• 4474[21:26:28] <towo`> Roland-, the vendor maybe?
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• 4480[21:27:33] <Roland-> same vendor
• 4481[21:27:53] <towo`> i mean, the vendor knows
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• 4487[21:28:18] <Roland-> alright, though somebody has some experience
• 4488[21:28:29] <Roland-> not too much in docs
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• 4495[21:32:32] <julius> markybob, its not a sid question
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• 4497[21:32:38] <julius> its about dkms
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• 4570[21:55:32] <PacoSmithereens> I am a little confused by some conflicting information I'm seeing online (a lot of docs may be old or out of date) - replaced-url
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• 4576[21:56:50] <zykotick9> PacoSmithereens: nouveau can do 3d with some cards! fyi, i'm not sure debian has the proprietary driver anymore...
• 4577[21:57:16] <PacoSmithereens> It does still have the proprietary one.
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• 4579[21:57:30] <PacoSmithereens> I was just curious. I have a GTX-460. That is old. And slow. I should probably replace it. But in any case..
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• 4583[21:58:20] <cdb23ax> can someone help me my debian xen system does not show the right graphic output. the system boots normal until it says mce: Unable to init device /dev/mcelog (rc: -16)
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• 4585[21:58:42] <zykotick9> PacoSmithereens: are you sure? replaced-url
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• 4587[21:58:43] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 4589[21:58:45] <cdb23ax> then it says Loading, please wait and i can wait 1 hour or 1 day it does not matter
• 4590[21:59:02] <cdb23ax> then i tried to enter username and password blind
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• 4592[21:59:32] <cdb23ax> then i issued init 0 command and the system shuts down so it is doing something but it just shows me the wrong graphic output
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• 4598[22:01:43] <PacoSmithereens> xserver-xorg-video-nvidia - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver <- is still in the repos, for Testing, anyway
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• 4603[22:05:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> PacoSmithereens, xorg driver != kernel module?
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• 4605[22:05:37] <PacoSmithereens> Guess I'm not sure why you'd package one but not the other, but okay
• 4606[22:06:10] <towo`> nvidia-kernel-dkms is still in the repo
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• 4608[22:06:24] <towo`> and the bugreport is about precompiled kernel-module
• 4609[22:06:30] <towo`> they are gone
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• 4611[22:07:15] <zykotick9> towo`: thanks...
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• 4616[22:08:29] <PacoSmithereens> What is the difference between the precompiled kernel module, and the X modules, when you're actually running X? I am confused I guess, what video facilities each provides that the other doesn't.
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• 4618[22:09:36] <towo`> PacoSmithereens, the question does not make many sense
• 4619[22:09:53] <towo`> PacoSmithereens, nvidia has 2 parts, the kernel module and the ddx
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• 4622[22:10:29] <towo`> and precompiled kernel modules was removed from the repo
• 4623[22:10:40] <towo`> so the user has to compile the module itself
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• 4627[22:10:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> hm, now I am confused
• 4628[22:10:56] <PacoSmithereens> And the other nvidia stuff in the repo is used by the compiled module, should I choose to compile it?
• 4629[22:11:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> so nvidia does give out the source for those modules?
• 4630[22:11:10] <towo`> no
• 4631[22:11:20] <towo`> only the source to compile the wrapper
• 4632[22:11:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> how can dkms then compile them?
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• 4634[22:11:35] <CutMeOwnThroat> what wrapper
• 4635[22:11:50] <towo`> read the source-package
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• 4637[22:12:12] <towo`> i don't se the problem of this discussion
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• 4639[22:12:39] <towo`> nvidia-driver can be installed as it was ever able
• 4640[22:12:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> read which package description
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• 4643[22:13:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> nvidia-kernel-source?
• 4644[22:13:21] <towo`> nvidia-graphics-driver
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• 4650[22:13:50] <towo`> there you find the dkms module part and you can understand, how it works
• 4651[22:14:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions nvidia-graphics-driver
• 4652[22:14:02] <judd> No package named 'nvidia-graphics-driver' was found in amd64.
• 4653[22:14:17] <towo`> it's the source-package
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• 4656[22:14:47] <greycat> towo`: you're not helping *me*, at least, understand a single thing you're talking about. Can you give us an actual command to run, or a URL to read, or something?
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• 4658[22:14:52] <towo`> and the name is nvidia-graphics-drivers
• 4659[22:15:01] <greycat> N: Unable to locate package nvidia-graphics-drivers
• 4660[22:15:01] <PacoSmithereens> I guess this is my confusion: In Windows, I download an Nvidia installer, and it installs a bunch of stuff, and Nvidia drivers are installed. In Linux, there are currently 79 packages referencing "nvidia" in some way. Some of these have license problem. I want to play a game with full 3D acceleration; I'm just unsure what the removal of some of these packages means to me in terms of wanting to say, play a game, and whether
• 4661[22:15:01] <PacoSmithereens> or not this is all beside the point because nouveau provides the 3D acceleration and so on (I last use Linux about 6 years ago, when if you didn't have the nvidia driver installed and working in X, you'd get really slow frame rates.)
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• 4663[22:15:37] <towo`> PacoSmithereens, apt install nvidia-driver
• 4664[22:15:42] <towo`> where is the problem?
• 4665[22:15:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> how are you supposed to read that
• 4666[22:15:59] <towo`> greycat, what are confusing you?
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• 4668[22:16:03] <PacoSmithereens> There is no problem - my initial question was whether or not this was necessary and nouveau provided pretty much everything required.
• 4669[22:16:08] <greycat> OK, "apt-cache show nvidia-driver" worked.
• 4670[22:16:18] <greycat> The two previously suggested names did not.
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• 4672[22:16:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> towo`, you could try to be a little more concrete... e.g. providing a command
• 4673[22:16:32] <towo`> PacoSmithereens, if you want powerfull 3d, you need the blob
• 4674[22:16:36] <PacoSmithereens> Thanks
• 4675[22:16:41] <towo`> CutMeOwnThroat, command for what?
• 4676[22:16:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> I don't mind to RTFM, but having to guess 20-30 times at what you actually want us to read isn't in my book how it's donw
• 4677[22:16:55] <towo`> CutMeOwnThroat, apt-get source nvidia-graphics-drivers
• 4678[22:17:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> why'd I want the whole source package
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• 4680[22:17:22] <x032cx> is this what yall looking for replaced-url
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• 4683[22:17:55] <Bobbix> Hi, i need help to configure debian 8.2 (Jessie) as L2TP/IPSec Client
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• 4686[22:18:15] <PacoSmithereens> That wiki page contains this: "As of jessie, the need for the proprietary drivers is pretty much over - nouveau now works quite well and works with dual-headed displays by simple and easy configuring from within your desktop" which raised my question initially.
• 4687[22:18:44] <greycat> PacoSmithereens: I think the unstated part is "... for certain cards, not listed here"
• 4688[22:18:45] <Bobbix> Googling i find i need to installa xl2tpd and openswan BUT openswan not available for Debian Jessie
• 4689[22:18:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> so the source package has nvidias installers in it
• 4690[22:18:50] <PacoSmithereens> But that doesn't mention games, 3-D acceleration and so on, which was why I was confused.
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• 4692[22:19:24] <towo`> for old cards, 3d works wit nouveau, but the performance is not like the blob
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• 4694[22:19:37] <Bobbix> There are alternatives? Can i use other clients for Debian ? If yes, how ??? (Thanks)
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• 4700[22:21:00] <PacoSmithereens> towo` - Thanks, that was my basic query. I see running nexuiz, which presumably uses 3-D acceleration, that it runs fine with nouveau. So on my system, there appears to be 3D acceleration, if not as fast/optimal as the blobs.
• 4701[22:21:24] <aphorise> I have a strange scenario where doing `rm -rf /tmp/*` has my box busy doing it for the past hour... there was close to 200Gb in there which was generated in the past 20 hours - but I'm wondering if there is anything I can do to check whats causing this - only thing I can run in `top` even `ls` or other commands dont seem to work
• 4702[22:21:30] <aphorise> Though all my active processes are still up
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• 4704[22:23:16] <PacoSmithereens> You mean, find out what's filling up /tmp or why it is taking so long to delete?
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• 4706[22:23:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> Bobbix, I haven't used it and cannot say anything, but there's factoids. Message our bot, I think this may be a starting point: /msg dpkg xl2tpd
• 4707[22:24:39] <aphorise> PacoSmithereens why its taking so long... almost feels like parts of kernel closest to shells just dont care :-p
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• 4709[22:24:49] <PacoSmithereens> rm has a -v switch which will show you what it's doing as it does it.
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• 4711[22:24:54] <Walakea> is wayland the future of X?
• 4712[22:24:54] <PacoSmithereens> It might help (unless this is obvious)
• 4713[22:25:08] <aphorise> PacoSmithereens there were only 8 files in there thoug
• 4714[22:25:20] <humbobble> aren't new things being written into /tmp
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• 4717[22:25:44] <aphorise> humbobble for some of my processes yes.
• 4718[22:25:55] <consolejazz> interested in installing debian on late 2007 white macbook. read about rEFInd bootloader, however, still uneasy about the process. anyone here repurposed old mac by loading debian or debian-derived distro on it?
• 4719[22:25:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions openswan
• 4720[22:25:58] <judd> Package: openswan on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1:2.6.28+dfsg-5+squeeze2; wheezy: 1:2.6.37-3; wheezy-security: 1:2.6.37-3+deb7u1
• 4721[22:26:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> Bobbix, seems openswan was removed after wheezy
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• 4724[22:26:41] <Nik05> hello, hey CutMeOwnThroat
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• 4726[22:26:58] <consolejazz> don't want to completely wipe osx partition, however, i do want to use debian as main os on the sytem. osx would only remain on tiny partition of the SSD for any 'what if' hardware update scenarios
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• 4728[22:27:32] <aphorise> consolejazz remove malos from you system :-)
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• 4732[22:28:14] <Nik05> I have a RAID 10 setup, and i want to replace one disk, mdadm says it didnt fail yet. can i just add a disk in the raid1 device, restore and then remove the disk i want to remove?
• 4733[22:28:35] <Nik05> or do i need to remove first and then restore the new drive?
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• 4741[22:30:33] <Mikaze> How does one get rid of IPv6 in Jessie?
• 4742[22:31:25] <consolejazz> aphorise: to be clear, you're saying go without osx completely?
• 4743[22:31:35] <consolejazz> do you have experience installing debian on an older mac?
• 4744[22:31:44] <nkuttler> Mikaze: define get rid?
• 4745[22:31:53] <Mikaze> Turn it off.
• 4746[22:31:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> Bobbix, bugs.debian.org/736557 - the removal bug names strongswan as an alternative
• 4747[22:31:57] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 4749[22:32:30] * Mikaze closes a window so he can hear.
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• 4751[22:32:45] <Nik05> Mikaze can you google?
• 4752[22:32:50] <Nik05> first hit explains it
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• 4754[22:33:20] <Mikaze> Not easily. I'm stuck to using lynx and edbrowse.
• 4755[22:33:35] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, noipv6
• 4756[22:33:35] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
• 4757[22:33:36] <superstraw> wow
• 4758[22:33:55] <greycat> I don't understand the goal.
• 4759[22:34:26] <nkuttler> eh, lynx is more than enough to browse the web..
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• 4761[22:35:13] <Mikaze> Until I learn all the IPv6 crap, I'd like to stay with IPv4 where I can have a static IP who's numbering scheme I know.
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• 4763[22:35:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> Mikaze, ^-- see the factoid from thebot
• 4764[22:35:41] <greycat> So, why do you feel the need to "remove" IPv6 if you aren't using it?
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• 4768[22:36:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> Mikaze, there's also /sys/module/ipv6/parameters/disable_ipv6 ... but there is probably a reason the factoid doesn't mention it
• 4769[22:37:06] <Mikaze> Because my bot can't find the dnsBoot parameter, huh? K. Thanks. Will try that.
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• 4775[22:38:06] <Mikaze> All I get in resolv.conf are friggin IPv6 numbers.
• 4776[22:38:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> greycat, many people do, that's why we have the factoid. The maybe better answer: I've seen some services only bind to the ipv6 address/interface by default, which can be annoying
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• 4778[22:38:23] <consolejazz> it's a shame tools like fail2ban aren't yet working for ipv6
• 4779[22:39:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> why not?
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• 4783[22:41:33] <sypher> stop trying to disable ipv6. jesus.
• 4784[22:41:51] <Bobbix> CutMeOwnThroat: thaks
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• 4787[22:42:13] <greycat> Some of us can't get an IPv6 even if we wanted to.
• 4788[22:42:17] <sypher> CutMeOwnThroat: and because the allocated ip ranges are so large that youd have to block an entire /64 to be effective, whih can inadvertently affect a large number of hosts.
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• 4792[22:43:30] <sypher> Mikaze: learn ipv6 instead of disabling it. its easy.
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• 4795[22:43:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> sypher, I thought you block exactly one IP for each failed request...
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• 4797[22:44:00] <Mikaze> sypher: No.
• 4798[22:44:04] <Mikaze> lol
• 4799[22:44:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> and actually then unblock after something like an hour
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• 4801[22:44:44] <sypher> Mikaze: K. then you can figure out how to disable it, since youre so certain that thats the proper solution.
• 4802[22:44:49] <consolejazz> CutMeOwnThroat: that's how fail2ban works traditionally
• 4803[22:44:53] <consolejazz> unless i'm mistaken
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• 4805[22:45:28] <sypher> CutMeOwnThroat: but with ipv6, the available address ranges for each host are enormous. i could easily cycle through my 2^64 addresses each time i try to authenticate.
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• 4807[22:46:24] <CutMeOwnThroat> but fail2ban mostly blocks drive-by-shooting attackers
• 4808[22:46:29] <sypher> Mikaze: And hint: disabling is the wrong answer. Have fun.
• 4809[22:46:35] <consolejazz> "So if IPv6 is not supported on your network infrastructure, it might be useful to disable it all together. Why ? It can cause issues like delayed domain lookups, un-necessary attempts to connect to IPv6 addresses causing delay in network connection etc."
• 4810[22:46:40] <consolejazz> replaced-url
• 4811[22:46:42] <consolejazz> fwiw
• 4812[22:46:59] <sypher> consolejazz: not worth anything.
• 4813[22:47:10] <consolejazz> :)
• 4814[22:47:19] <Mikaze> Exactly. That's what's happening. Takes 20 seconds for telnet to respond.
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• 4817[22:47:44] <consolejazz> there's a method listed there, Mikaze, for giving ipv4 preference over ipv6.
• 4818[22:47:51] <sypher> consolejazz: if you dont have a global address, none of that actually happens.
• 4819[22:47:54] <consolejazz> which you might consider
• 4820[22:48:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> Mikaze, and that's not a DNS issue, but happens when connecting to the IP?
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• 4822[22:48:20] <sypher> consolejazz: if you dont have a global address, ipv4 is already preferred.
• 4823[22:48:42] <sypher> consolejazz: thats my point. disabling it is pointless.
• 4824[22:49:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> what do you mean "don't have a global address"
• 4825[22:49:15] <consolejazz> yea lost me on that point sypher
• 4826[22:49:21] <consolejazz> if you could explain
• 4827[22:49:21] <sypher> CutMeOwnThroat: compared to a link scope address.
• 4828[22:49:23] <Mikaze> I'm connecting to the same router where I was running a static IPv4 address in Squeeze. I move to Jessie, hoping the system would be even better, but all I get is 20 second delays.
• 4829[22:49:42] <sypher> CutMeOwnThroat: in a bit, sure.
• 4830[22:49:50] <Mikaze> Screw IPv6.
• 4831[22:49:52] <greycat> Your router is giving you an IPv6 address on your *internal* network?!
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• 4833[22:50:07] <hexnewbie> Mikaze: Is the IPv6 coming from the router, or from your Internet provider?
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• 4837[22:50:25] <consolejazz> still mystified by the technology/math behind ipv6
• 4838[22:50:41] * consolejazz needs to study for a ccna
• 4839[22:50:46] <greycat> I will be mystified by IPv6 forever, until my ISP actually starts using it.
• 4840[22:50:51] <sypher> consolejazz: not much different than ipv4. Just longer and in hex.
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• 4842[22:51:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> my provider at home at least gives me two ipv4 DNS servers (192.xxx) and two ipv6 DNS servers...
• 4843[22:51:25] <consolejazz> yes, started to learn hex so shaky there still
• 4844[22:51:44] <consolejazz> i don't even know if my isp is using ipv6
• 4845[22:51:48] <consolejazz> they claim they do
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• 4847[22:51:55] <consolejazz> a quick test would involved what?
• 4848[22:52:18] <consolejazz> sorry for going off topic with ipv6..
• 4849[22:52:19] <greycat> replaced-url
• 4850[22:52:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> when I had long delays on DNS lookups, removing all but the 2nd IPV6-DNS fixed it... I think the first DNS had problems... and the 2nd ipv4 one ... I'm not sure how that is done anyway
• 4851[22:53:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> in some way 192.168.2.1 and 192.168.2.2 both went to the router
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• 4855[22:53:39] <consolejazz> will routers older than certain date not support ipv6, even if your isp is providing it to you?
• 4856[22:53:56] <sypher> those are both private ips, so that doesnt surprise me
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• 4858[22:54:18] <sypher> lets switch to offtopic, btw
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• 4860[22:54:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> I guess the router/modem just took packages for both IPs
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• 4863[22:54:56] <consolejazz> $ ping6 ipv6.google.com │
• 4864[22:54:59] <consolejazz> connect: Network is unreachable
• 4865[22:55:01] <consolejazz> :(
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• 4875[22:56:53] <frikinz> that's probably your dns not answering to AAAA requests
• 4876[22:57:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> consolejazz, I'm a bit surprised my uni still doesn't offer it... but I remember faintly hearing that some of the switches/routers they have don't support it... so yes :)
• 4877[22:57:21] <Dagger> no, that's a lack of v6. DNS not responding would give a hostname not found error or so
• 4878[22:57:31] <frikinz> correct
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• 4881[22:58:37] <sypher> frikinz: no, it is. but he doesnt have a global scope address, and therefore no route to the ipv6 endpoint.
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• 4890[23:01:23] <aphorise> consolejazz - no experiance with older Mac's but from the one I did in 2004 it can only have got better and easier.
• 4891[23:01:42] <consolejazz> aphorise: okay, and did you completely wipe the osx partition, leaving only *nix on it?
• 4892[23:01:52] <aphorise> yes
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• 4910[23:06:14] <HelpMeNow> sorry for the spam) replaced-url
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• 4931[23:14:54] <consolejazz> "sorry for the spam .. i'm spamming you now"
• 4932[23:15:33] <Iridos> the kline seems to indicate we need not click the link :)
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• 4992[23:32:46] <karlpinc> consolejazz: You often want "ping -n", to avoid reverse dns delays.
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• 5006[23:38:10] <GJdan> I accidentally did apt-get upgrade when an lvm snapshot with a xen domU with debian on it was in existence. Now I can't remove the snapshot because it's under 'grub-mount'.... how can I unmount it... fix this and remove the snapshot
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